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Government Operations on March 9, 2023
Docket #0319, notice from the Mayor of the appointment of Vivian Leonard as a member of the Municipal Lobbying Compliance Commission; Docket #0320, notice from the Mayor of the appointment of Sammy Nabulsi as a member of the Municipal Lobbying Compliance Commission; and, Docket #0321, notice from the Mayor of the appointment of Vivien Li as a member of the Municipal Lobbying Compliance Commission.
A
A
A
A
C
We'll
go
directly
to
folks
what
I
think
makes
sense
is
I'll.
Read
everybody
in
I'm
gonna
go
straight
to
our
folks
today
to
give
openings
on
on
yourselves
and
then
I'll
go
to
counselors
for
any
questions
or
statements
that
they
would
like
to
make.
So
we're
gonna
go
ahead
and
start
now.
Good
morning.
Everyone
I
am
city
council,
Ricardo,
Royal,
chair
of
the
committee
on
government
operations.
C
It
is
Thursday
March,
9th
2023,
and
we
are
here
today
for
a
virtual
hearing
on
docket0319
notice,
from
the
mayor
of
the
appointment
of
divine
Leonard
Leonard
as
the
mem
as
a
member
of
the
municipal
Lobby
and
compliance
commission,
docket0320
notice
from
the
mayor
of
the
appointment
of
Sammy
Noble
c.
As
a
member
of
the
municipal
lobbying
commission,
our
compliance
commission
rather
and
docket0321
notice
from
the
mayor
of
the
appointment
of
Vivian
Lee
as
a
member
of
the
municipal
Lobby
and
compliance
Commission.
C
This
was
referred
to
the
committee
on
January
25th
2023.
These
dockets
were
sponsored
by
mayor
Michelle
Wu,
in
accordance
with
chapter
107
of
the
acts
of
2022
modifying
certain
requirements
of
the
open
meeting
law,
relieving
public
bodies
of
certain
requirements,
including
the
requirements
that
public
bodies
conduct
its
meetings
in
a
public
place
that
is
open
and
physically
accessible
to
the
public.
The
city
council
will
be
conducting
this
hearing
remotely
and
it
is
being
recorded.
This
enables
the
city
council
to
carry
out
its
responsibilities.
Well
remain.
C
Ensuring
public
access
to
its
deliberations
through
adequate
alternative
means.
The
public
may
watch
this
hearing
live
via
live
stream
at
www.boston.gov
city
council
TV
or
on
Xfinity
8,
rcn82
or
FiOS
964.
Written
comments
may
be
sent
to
the
committee
email
at
ccc.go
boston.gov
and
will
be
made
a
part
of
the
record
and
available
to
all
counselors.
If
you
wish
to
provide
public
testimony
and
have
not
signed
up
to
do
so,
please
email,
Christine,
O'donnell
at
Christine,
O'donnell
o-d-o-n-n-e-l-l
at
boston.gov
for
those
giving
public
testimony.
C
Please
make
sure
that
your
name
is
visible,
so
that
I
may
call
on
you.
Members
of
the
public
will
be
promoted
to
panelists
when
your
name
is
called.
Please
make
sure
that
you
click
yes,
when
prompted
to
join
as
a
panelist.
This
morning,
I'm
joined
by
my
Council
colleagues,
counselor
council
president
Ed
Flynn
counselor
Kenzie
Bach
and
councilor
Michael
Flaherty
at
docket03190320
and
zero
three
two
one.
Our
matters
sponsored
by
the
mayor.
C
Pursuant
to
our
Authority
from
the
city
of
Boston
code,
ordinance,
chapter
2,
section
15
to
appoint
members
of
the
municipal
lobbying
compliance
Commission,
the
mayor
appoints
the
three
Commissioners
they
serve.
Co-Terminus
with
the
mayor,
the
mayor
fills
any
vacancies
for
the
unexpired
terms.
The
commission
may
create
regulations
for
the
administration
of
the
lobbying
ordinance.
They
can
also
investigate
and
make
findings
related
to
compliance
with
the
lobbying
ordinance.
C
I
think
it
probably
makes
more
sense
to
have
appointees
make
introductions
and
then
I'll
hand
it
over
to
my
colleagues
in
the
order
in
which
they've
arrived,
and
so
with
that
we'll
start
with
Vivian
Leonard,
then
we'll
go
to
Sammy
nabuci
and
then
at
Vivian
Lee.
If
that
works
for
everybody
good
morning,
the
floor
is
yours.
Good
morning,
counselors.
D
Thank
you
for
having
me
this
morning.
As
stated,
I
am
Vivian
Leonard,
the
former
director
of
The
Office
of
human
resources
and
for
nearly
25
years,
and
a
lifelong
resident
of
the
city
of
Boston
I
am
honored
that
mayor
Wu
has
recommended
me
for
appointment
to
the
municipal
lobbying
commission,
which
I
believe
is
crucial
to
ensuring
transparency
and
accountability
in
terms
of
how
business
is
conducted
in
a
major
Metropolitan
City,
such
as
the
city
of
Boston,
which
continues
to
thrive
as
25.
D
We
after
25
years
as
a
director
of
The
Office
of
Human
Resources
I,
realized
that
the
Rules
of
Engagement
are
necessary
in
order
to
govern
an
organization
as
large
and
complex
as
the
city
of
Boston.
As
such,
the
office
of
Human
Resources
was
responsible
for
enforcing
policies,
rules,
regulations
and
laws
pertaining
to
employees.
D
E
Thank
you,
chairman,
Arroyo
and
good
morning,
councilors
Flynn,
councilor,
Bach
and
Council
Flaherty.
Thank
you
very
much
for
for
having
us
today.
My
name
is
Sammy
nabulsi
I'm,
a
an
attorney
here
in
the
city
of
Boston
I
work
at
Rose
law
Partners
in
my
practice,
areas
are
focused
on
land
use,
environmental
and
real
estate
permitting
and
litigation.
E
E
I
was
by
way
of
background.
I
was
originally
appointed
to
the
lobbying
compliance
commission
as
part
of
its
inaugural
commission
back
in
2019
at
the
time
by
then
mayor
Walsh,
on
shortly
after
being
appointed
to
the
commission
by
this
body,
I
I
was
elected.
Chairperson
and
I've
had
the
great
pleasure
and
honor
of
working
with
commissioner
Lee,
and
also
currently,
commissioner
champion
in
the
office
of
the
city
clerk
and
the
council
president
over
the
last
few
years
to
implement
the
original
lobbying
ordinance
as
part
of
the
inaugural
lobbying.
Compliance
Commission
I
thought.
E
The
summary
that
the
chairman
gave
at
the
beginning
is
a
really
great
summary
of
what
the
commission
does,
but
I
want
to
spend
a
few
moments
highlighting
the
accomplishments
that
we
made
in
the
last
few
years
and
what
we
want
to
build
upon.
If
given
the
opportunity
to
serve
again,
as
as
you
noted,
Mr
chairman
under
the
lobbying
ordinance,
the
commission
is
authorized
and
empowered
to
promulgate
regulations
to
implement
the
ordinance.
E
The
ordinance
was
the
first
time
that
the
city
of
Boston
had
really
taken
a
crack
at
regulating
an
oversight
of
lobbying
that
occurs
at
the
city
level
on
I.
Think,
because
of
that,
there
was
much.
You
know,
clarification,
explanation
and
and
process
to
be
developed
on
over
a
series
of
public
hearings
that
we
held
and
robust
public
comment
periods.
E
Pleased
to
report
that,
in
January
of
2021,
we
did
promulgate
and
enact
a
series
of
regulations
that
implement
the
lobbying
ordinance
from
clarifying
what
it
means
to
be
a
lobbyist
to
what
is
considered
and
what
is
not
considered
lobbying
activity
to
also
defining
a
process
for
what
it
looks
like
if
we
actually
enforce
violations
of
the
law.
Lobbying
ordinance
the
type
of
due
process
that
is
given
to
individuals
who
might
be
charged
with
violating
the
lobbying
ordinance
opportunities
to
be
heard,
opportunities
to
appeal
on
what
that
process
looks
like
before
the
lobbying
Commission
on.
E
Both
did
a
phenomenal
job
of
making
all
applications
and
quarterly
reporting
electronic
and
actually
publishing
reports
and
compliance
on
analyze
Boston,
so
that
the
residents
of
the
city
of
Boston
can
actually
see
who
has
registered
what
folks
are
lobbying
about
and
who
is
in
compliance
and
who
is
not
in
compliance
and
I.
Think
that
really
goes
to
the
spirit
of
the
ordinance
in
the
first
place,
which
is
to
bring
sunlight
to
how
business
is
done
at
City
Hall,
both
at
the
administrative
exit
or
I,
guess
to
all
three,
the
administrative,
legislative
and
executive
level.
E
The
third
piece
of
this
is
we
really
focused
on
education.
We
realized
that
the
office
of
the
city
clerk
carries
a
lot
of
functions.
It's
going
to
be
difficult
for
a
volunteer
commission
to
know
day-to-day
day,
who's
complying
and
not
complying.
We
realize
that
really
when
it
comes
to
enforcement,
it's
our
front
line.
It's
our
Frontline
employees
of
the
city
of
Boston
people
who
are
setting
up
meetings,
working
desks
staff
or
meeting
with
external
parties,
and
so
we
not
only
did
a
round
of
education
on
what
is
law.
What
is
the
lobbying
Ordinance
do?
E
What
does
it
mean?
How
can
city
employees
assist,
but
we
actually
worked
with
the
office
of
Human
Resources
to
now
include
that
in
annual
compliance,
training
for
city
employees
and
we
created
an
online
complaint
process.
So
if
the
city
employee
believes
that
someone
is
engaged
in
unauthorized
lobbying
activity,
they
can
actually
report
that
anonymously
or
you
know,
indicate
who
they
are
online
to
the
city
clerk
and
the
office
of
the
city.
F
Good
morning,
chairman
Arroyo
and
city
council,
president
Flynn
and
councilors
Bach
and
Flaherty
I'm,
very
honored,
to
be
nominated
to
reappointment
to
the
commission.
I
have
lived
in
the
Back
Bay
for
more
than
35
years
and
I
was
the
former
executive
director
of
the
Boston
Harbor
Association,
which
is
a
public
advocacy
group
working
on
Waterfront
issues.
I
am
the
only
non-lawyer
on
the
commission
and
will,
if
my
colleagues
are
appointed
and
reappointed
still
be,
the
only
non-lawyer,
so
I
come
with
a
lens
of
public
advocacy
and
also
transparency.
F
We
notice
over
the
course
of
those
the
initial
period
that
there
were
things
that,
in
terms
of
technology,
which
Sammy's
already
mentioned
that
needed
to
be
upgraded,
it
was
some
lobbyists
claimed
it
was
not
easy
to
access
the
reporting
process.
But,
more
importantly,
it
wasn't
as
easy
for
the
public
to
access
the
information
as
well,
and
we
spent
quite
a
bit
of
time
figuring
out.
Basically
what
could
be
done
and
assembly's
indicated.
We
had
a
number
of
meetings
and
such
we
think
it
really
is
at
this
point
a
much
easier
process.
F
We
were
thrilled
last
month
when
we
heard
that
compliance
was
99.9,
we're
waiting
for
one
additional
lobbyist
to
follow
up
with
the
paperwork,
but
we
have
generally
had
very
good
compliance
and
certainly
in
the
last
I
would
say
nine
months,
we're
seeing
very
good
compliance,
people,
understanding
and
also
we've
developed
a
system
where
it
is
not
so
burdensome
for
the
city
clerk's
office.
In
the
beginning,
literally,
every
call
every
lobbies
couldn't
understand
the
process.
What
do
the
regulations
mean?
F
What
do
I
have
to
do
and
we
took
the
comments
from
the
users
that
is
the
the
lobbyists
together
with
General
Cummins
from
the
public
about
how
they
could
access
the
information,
and
we
think
we've
done
a
good
job
in
terms
of
making
it
easy
both
for
the
lobbyists,
but
also
for
the
general
public
and
we've
done
it
in
such
a
way.
So
it's
no
longer
as
burdensome
for
the
city
clerk's
office,
so
going
forward.
F
C
Thank
you
all
for
the
for
your
openings.
I
will
just
say:
I,
do
remember
speaking
with
former
Clark
Feeney
about
those
early
days
and
so
I'm
really
glad
to
hear
that
we've
sort
of
streamlined
and
made
that
process
easier,
because
I
do
remember
those
early
days.
It
was
right
around
2020
when
we
first
got
elected
before
when
I
first
got
elected,
that
those
conversations
were
happening
and
so
I
do
I
do
recall
what
you
were
speaking
on.
A
Thank
you,
Mr,
chair
and
I
also
want
to
thank
Sammy
and
Vivian
Lee
and
Vivian
Leonard
to
the
important
we're
out
there
doing
in
the
city
on
behalf
of
the
residents
of
Boston,
and
the
city
is
fortunate
to
have
your
professionalism,
leadership
and
integrity
in
this
important,
important
body
and
I
have
the
opportunity
to
read
and
study
your
backgrounds
and
I
know.
You've
worked
Todd
in
tremendous
tremendous
asset
to
the
city
of
Boston,
via
professionalism
and
in
your
integrity
and
just
honored
to
work
with
you
for
for
me.
A
For
many
years,
I
know:
I
haven't
worked
all
that
closely
with
Sammy
all
that
much
but
I
I
have
worked
extensively
with
Vivian
Lee
and
Vivian
Leonard,
and
just
both
both
women
really
helped
make
the
city
a
better
City,
more
welcoming
City
so
just
want
to
say
thank
you
to
Sammy.
Thank
you
to
Vivian
into
Vivian
for
your
important
work.
If
your
important
leadership
and
Mr
chair
I,
don't
I,
don't
have
any
questions.
B
You
know
I
think
that
we
really
we
want
that
institutional
continuity,
especially
with
a
new
institution
like
this.
So
it's
really
great
that
both
of
you
are
I'm
going
to
be
back
and
I
really
appreciated
the
synopsis
of
kind
of
where
you
guys
have
been
so
far
and
where
you
might
be
going
and
Vivian
Lee
is.
Is
you
know
one
of
one
of
the
legends
of
my
district
she's
everywhere?
She
does
everything
my
I've
known
about
her
for
my
whole
life,
because
my
grandfather
and
she
worked
together
on
Harvard
issues.
B
So
super
super
glad
to
see
you
in
this
role
and
I.
Think
it's
really
good
to
have
I
mean
I
just
feel
like
you.
Each
bring
different
expertise
to
this
commission
and
I'm
really
glad
Vivian
that
you're
on
with
that
advocacy
lens
because,
of
course,
like
you
know,
we're
trying
to
regulate
lobbying
here,
but
it's
not
to
sort
of
give
advocacy
to
public
officials
a
bad
name
right.
B
You
know
the
activity
of
people
coming
into
their
elected
officials
and
saying
hey
here's
some
things
you
should
know
about
this
very
particular
situation.
Very
sorry,
so
yeah
so
I'm
thrilled
about
this
panel
and
I'm
not
coming
with
a
bunch
of
hard-hitting
questions.
Mr,
chair,
I
I
do
think
that
I
would
love
to
just
a
thing:
I'd
love
to
flag.
B
B
To
kind
of
brief,
the
counsel
about
the
lobbying
ordinance
and
specifically
kind
of
like
who's
covered
and
who
isn't,
because
it's
really
good
to
hear
that
the
folks
who
we
sort
of
who
sort
of
know
that
they're
covered
that
you're
getting
that
99
compliance
like
re-registration.
All
of
that,
that's
fantastic!
It
occurs
to
me
that
as
a
counselor,
I
probably
am
occasionally
interacting
with
folks
who
actually
maybe
should
be
covered
by
this,
but
don't
know
about
it.
B
They're
showing
up,
maybe
for
the
first
time
to
Lobby
the
city
and
I
feel
like
without
playing
gotcha.
It
could
be
nice
for
me
and
my
colleagues
to
be
like.
Oh
by
the
way
have
you
filed
the
lobbying
forms,
you
should
do
that.
Here's
the
link,
but
I
I,
don't
feel
I,
don't
feel
myself
and
I.
Imagine
it's
also
true
for
colleagues
like
I'm
100,
clear
on
sort
of
like
who
falls
in
that
bucket
and
I.
B
Just
think
it
would
be
nice
for
the
council
because
of
course
like
we
know
if
people
are
lobbying
us
definitionally
right
so
so
it
just
seems
like
we
could
be
good
ambassadors
for
getting
everybody
in
to
the
system
and
so
any
thoughts
you
have
on
that.
Slash
just
to
kind
of
ask
for
that
to
be
something
that
you
work
on
in
the
coming
months
and
circle
back
with
us
on
and
then
the
other
thing
is
Justin.
B
I
won't
steal
too
much
of
Michael's
Thunder,
but
I
know
that
in
the
process
of
figuring
out
what
was
workable
with
the
clerk's
office
that
there
has
been
some
discussion
about
whether
there
was
anything
that
should
get
tweaked
in
the
original
ordinance
to
try
to
make
things
just
like
clear
and
more
streamlined.
So
if
any
of
you
had
comments
on
that
today,
particularly
the
returning
Commissioners
I'd
be
happy
to
hear
them,
but
also
happy
to
have
that,
be
you
know,
wait
till
the
till
later
conversation
with
the
council
either
way.
B
E
Yeah
I'm
happy
to
comment.
The
council
block
I
think
that's
excellent
flag
and
excellent
question.
You
know
on
the
first
about
you
know,
thinking
about
way
to
you
know
brief.
The
council.
Your
comment
is
exactly
right.
It's
it's.
The
folks
that
are
being
lobbied
are
in
the
best
position
to
enforce
the
the
ordinance
in
the
first
instance,
or
at
least
educate
someone
coming
in
about
the
requirement
to
register
and
file
the
quarterly
reports.
E
You
know
first
I'll
point
to
a
couple
things
we
have
done
and,
and
perhaps
those
are
things
that
we
cannot,
we
can
provide
if
there's
a
way
to
do
so
after
the
hearing
today.
First
on
the
City
count
on
the
sorry,
the
city,
clerk's
lobbying
website,
you'll,
find
our
regulations
and
we
went
to
Great
Lengths
to
actually
use
the
regulations
to
quit
to
clarify
who's
covered
the
type
of
activity
that
is
covered,
I
recall
very
early
on
in
the
discussions.
There
was
a
lot
of
confusion
over
well.
E
What
about
technical
consultants
that
come
with
individuals
who
are
lobbying
or
the
technical
consultants
who
are
maybe
joining
a
lobbyist
but
are
going
to
have
say,
project
plans
or
walk
through
a
complicated
environmental
issue
from
a
technical
perspective?
Are
they
required
to
register
as
well
because
they're
supporting
that
effort?
So
in
our
regulations
we
cover,
you
know
what
is
a
technical,
you
know
technical
person
and
how
that
might
be
distinct
or
different
from
the
requirement
to
register
as
a
lobbyist.
E
So
that's
a
great
resource,
the
other
is
we
prepared
a
memo
that
went
out
to
all
city
employees
to
at
least
at
a
high
level
talk
about
what
is
you
know?
What
is
lobbying
who
are
lobbyists
what's
covered
and
where
can
city
employees
look
to
see
if
someone
has
registered
or
is
unregistered
and
if
they
have
registered
whether
they've
identified
this
particular
issue
that
they're
lobbying
on
or
not,
and
all
of
that
is
provided
on
the
analyze
Boston
website?
But
you
know
I'll
say
two
things.
E
First,
we're
always
happy
to
give
trainings
or
briefings,
and
so
if
it
makes
sense
to
do
a
training
for
Council
Members
or
a
training
for
Council
staff.
We
are
more
than
happy
to
put
that
together
and
and
I'm
sure
I'll
certainly
volunteer
myself
to
you,
know,
put
in
the
time
and
and
provide
that
training
and
answer
any
questions
that
there
may
be
for
many
of
the
counselors
or
any
of
the
counselors
staff.
I
will
say
one
of
our
big
goals.
E
To
your
second
question
about
you
know:
are
there
changes
or
tweaks
that
we've
thought
of
you
know?
I'll,
say
I've
always
viewed
our
responsibility
as
carrying
out
the
legislative
intent,
and
so
we
don't
get
too
much
into
the
Weeds
on
what
changes
we
would
make.
But
how
do
we
Implement
and
enforce
this
ordinance?
You
know
I'll
flag,
three
things
that
I
think
we've
heard
about
and
we
would
defer
to
the
council
but
we're
happy
to
provide
our
experiences
in
any
follow-up.
E
You
know
conversations
I,
think
one
is
the
frequency
of
reporting
under
the
state
law
lobbyists
file
biannual
reports
under
the
city,
ordinance
lobbyists
file
quarterly
reports
and
I
we've.
You
know,
we've
heard
complaints
about
the
frequency
of
reporting
I
have
no
opinion
on
whether
that's
too
frequent
or
infrequent.
But
you
know
that's
something.
We've
heard
the
other
we've
heard
is
the
issue
about
convictions.
If
an
individual
has
been
convicted
under
a
state
crime,
there
is
a
bar
under
a
lobbying
ordinance.
There
isn't
similar
language
as
to
Federal
convictions.
E
That's
played
out
a
high
profile,
Supreme
Judicial
Court
case
this
year,
and
you
know
at
some
point
perhaps
that
you
know
may
affect
us
and
we'll
need
to
think
about
whether
that
merits
consideration
and
then
finally,
something
that
we
heard
a
lot
about
during
the
common
period
that
we
couldn't
address,
because
we
didn't
think
that
we
were
empowered
to
under
the
ordinance
as
it's
written
is
whether
there
are
some
you
know
de
minimis
exceptions.
So
there
are
people
who
engage
in
lobbying
or
neighborhood
group
that
is
doing
advocacy.
E
Is
there
work
such
that
geez
they're,
not
really
at
City
Hall
talking
about
too
many
things
or
perhaps
they
are
advocating,
but
there's
no
money
being
spent
towards
that's
considered
a
lobbying
expenditure.
Is
there
a
de
minimis
exception,
so
some
people
don't
need
to
register
because
they're
not
engaged
in
enough
lobbying
to
trigger
that.
That
is
something
that
we
heard
through
common
period.
We
take
no
opinion
on
it,
but
it's
not
something
that
is
is
currently
authorized
under
the
ordinance.
F
And
I
just
want
to
add:
we
carry
out
a
legend.
We
enforce
the
legislation
that
you,
the
council,
have
adopted
so
as
sami's
indicated
we're
not
rewriting
what
you
know
might
have
to
be
changed
or
want
to
be
changed
or
what
the
public
might
say
at
some
point,
there
may
come
a
time
where
maybe
city
council
wants
to
re-look
at
this
and
then
we
would
then
obviously
enforce
whatever
you
adopt,
but
we've.
F
In
the
difference
in
the
area
we
may
want
to,
you
know
if
you
decide
to
re-examine
the
legislation
and
such
I
think
we
would
have
some
suggestions
as
Sandy's
indicated
that
have
been
brought
to
our
attention,
or
you
know,
based
on
some
legis,
some
Court
decision
that's
been
made,
you
know,
is
this
clear
so
on?
The
commission
is,
of
course,
the
city
council
president
as
well,
so
we
do
have
that
legislative
interaction
of
course,
and
also
city
clerk,
so
we
do
try
to
interpret
understand
as
best
as
we
can.
F
What
was
intended
at
the
time
that
the
ordinance
was
adopted,
but
you
know
it's
been
four
years
now
there
are
new
counselors.
There
may
be
different
issues
that
you
know
you
might
want
to
look
at
in
the
future
and
I
think
as
same
as
indicated.
We
can
then
provide
you
some
background
information
in
terms
of
what
we've
heard
from
the
public
and
also
from
the
lobbyists
as
well.
B
Just
just
thank
you,
so
much
I
really
appreciate
those
comments
from
both
of
the
returning
members
and
yeah
I'm
really
excited
for
Miss
Leonard
to
get
on
as
well
and
yeah
and
and
I
very
I.
Very
much
appreciate
the
point.
You
know
we
legislate
and
you
guys
Implement
and-
and
that
is
an
important
distinction
at
the
same
time,
you
know
everything
that
we
legislate
is
is
only
a
dead
letter.
B
If
we
don't
have
people
of
Goodwill
and
good
capability
who
are
implementing
it,
so
it
means
a
tremendous
amount
for
us
to
have
you
guys
actually
breathing
life
into
this
commission
and
I.
Think,
certainly
that
the
council,
you
know,
to
the
extent
that
we
are
ever
opening
this
back
up
again
for
any
changes.
Small
and
large
would
want
your
guys's
input
just
on
the
things
that
you've
learned
along
the
way.
So
I
really
appreciate
that
and
I
think
those
are
all
my
questions.
Mr
chair.
G
Thank
you,
Mr
chair
and
that's
our
vehicle
pick
up,
Conway
Council
block
had
sort
of
left
off.
First
of
all
good
morning,
everyone
good
to
see
everyone
Sammy.
Obviously,
with
a
case
of
first
impression,
we
worked
closely
when
I
was
the
chair
of
coming
off
some
sort
of
creating
this
along
with
community
and
Lee.
So
it's
and
Vivian
Leonard
great
to
see
you
back
and
the
fact
that
you're
back
volunteering
with
the
tremendous
amount
of
experience
as
someone
who
knows
the
city
and
its
employees,
probably
better
than
anybody.
G
It's
always
good
to
see
you
and
Vivian
for
the
great
work
you've
done
with
the
help
of
cleaning
up
Boston
Harbor,
which
is
an
absolute
Jewel
and
all
the
import
related
activities
and
businesses
down
there.
So
it's
also
good
to
have
you
back
I
think
we
lost
you
to
Pittsburgh
for
a
little
while.
So
it's
always
good
to
see
you
and
and
Vivian
and
samian
I
always
happen
to
think
very
much
like
CPA
having
a
a
legal
perspective
is
always
very
helpful.
G
That
was
very
helpful
to
the
CPA
as
it
was
getting
its
legs
underneath
it
we
had.
The
Matt
Kiefer
was
very
helpful
at
Google
set
a
serving
in
a
volunteer
capacity,
so
we
appreciate
the
volunteerism.
We
appreciate
your
commitment
to
this
very
important
and
specific
issue,
and
and
I
just
have
a
couple,
questions
and
Sammy.
You
do
remember.
G
There
were
portal
issues,
I
assume
that
the
portal
issues
have
been
have
been
resolved,
there's
also
questions
and
concerns
as
to
whether
or
not
reporting
four
times
a
year
was
was
too
onerous
and
really
like
to
get
your
perspective.
Nobody
else
does
that
most
folks
either
do
once
a
year
or
they'll
do
twice
a
year
we're
requiring
four
times
a
year.
G
Shifting
is
to
maybe
what
Sammy
was
showed
up
alluding
to,
because
that
was
the
conundrum
we
had
initially,
arguably
and
I'm.
Here
the
longest
and
I'm
also
city-wide
I
get
lobbied
more
by
organizations
and
non-profits
and
activists.
Many
of
that
many
some
of
those
activists
are
going
most
are
being
paid
in
some
capacity,
and
so
remember,
if
you
remember
saying
we
sort
of
took
this
at
initially
say:
hey,
let's
get
this
going
and
then
see
how
it
rolls
out
in
every
single
issue
the
chair
and
my
colleagues
will
contest,
particularly
the
hot
button
ones.
G
We
do
get
lobbied
pretty
aggressively
by
groups
and
organizations
that
are
technically
not
the
typical
sort
of
lobbyists
that
I
think
that
this
was
geared
towards
and
when
you
think
about
the
business
that
takes
up
takes
place
up
at
the
state
house.
That's
really
Lobby
heavy
and
I
would
argue
that
you
know
it's
not
as
heavy
at
the
city
level.
We
clearly
deal
with
Municipal
issues
and
we're
dealing
with
constituents
Etc,
and
we
deal
with
policy
issues
and
home
rules
Etc.
G
But
but
lobbying
isn't
as
intense
at
the
Boston
city
council
at
the
city
hall
level,
as
it
is
up
at
Beacon
Hill
at
the
state
house
and
I
can
attest
to
that,
because
I'm
I'm
here
the
longest
and
I
do
talk
to
colleagues
up
there,
and
sometimes
you
go
up
there
and
there's
a
line
of
lobbyists
literally
out
out
a
repo
senator's
door
waiting
to
get
some
time
with
them
at
City
Hall,
it's
more
often
than
not
it's
a
it's
an
organization,
that's
their
activists,
being
it
together.
There's
there's
non-profits
involved.
G
So
I
want
to
get
your
perspective,
particularly
those
that
are
receiving
some
form
of
compensation,
either
from
the
organization
that
they're
working
from
a
non-profit
or
they
have
another
entity,
that's
paying
into
a
specific
organization
or
outfit,
and
then
they
have
sort
of
their
disciples
pounding
the
doers
of
city
council.
Is
that
at
what
point
does
across
the
line
we
started,
we
saw
heavy
influence
in
in
activity
around
the
redistricting
that
we
had
gone
through.
G
I
didn't
get
a
single
phone
call
from
an
attorney
or
from
a
developer
or
from
an
architect
or
from
an
engineer
or
from
a
representative
of
olive
I'm,
not
a
single
phone
call,
and
it
was
pretty
significant
action
that
the
Boston
city
council
took.
However,
my
phone
rang
off
the
hook
and
I
received
a
number
of
emails
from
a
variety
of
different
groups
and
organizations
that
were
sort
of
rallying
together,
some
of
whom
are
paid
in
some
capacity.
Otherwise
they
wouldn't
be
doing
it
and
there's
others.
Obviously
that
are
just
pure
volunteers.
G
They're
in
everything
for
reasons
around
you
know
protecting
the
quality
of
life
in
their
community
and
we
get
sort
of
lobbied
regularly
almost
on
Tuesdays
for
the
zoning
Board
of
appeal
days,
but
that's
more
from
a
butter.
That's
from
the
guy
that
lives
the
street
over.
That's
from
someone
that
is
concerned
about
you
know:
increased
parking
or
construction
disruption,
so
anyways
I'm,
sort
of
throwing
a
lot
of
the
plate.
I
really
like
to
take
this
opportunity,
in
addition
to
clearly
and
I,
fully
support.
G
You
know
song
that
will
come
down
the
road
and
take
over
and
be
and
be
great
stewards.
So
with
that
I
support,
all
the
all
the
nominations,
I'll
get
that
out
of
the
way
and
I
appreciate
the
work
you
do,
but
if
we
could
just
double
back
on
whether
or
not
four
times
a
year
is
too
onerous
and
too
burdensome,
and
does
it
kind
of
burden
and
bond
the
clerk
down
when
unnecessarily?
When,
now
that
we're
up
and
running,
do
we
really
need
to
be
doing
four
times
a
year?
G
Can
we
scale
it
back
to
two
and
accomplish
the
same
result?
I'll
hear
from
the
experts
on
that
portal
issues.
I
just
need
to
know
that
those
are
resolved
and
then
sort
of
this
conundrum
of
what
is
considered
a
lobbyist
and
who's
getting
paid
and
who's
pounding
on
the
doors
and
asking
for
meetings.
I
think
that
that
description's,
a
little
gray
when
it
comes
to
to
City,
Hall
and
I've,
just
outlined
a
couple
areas
where
everywhere.
Every
time
you
turn
around
there
was
a
there
was
a.
There
was
an
organization.
There
was
an
activist.
G
There
was
a
community-based
non-profit,
no
no
lobbyists
per
se,
no
lawyer
advocating
on
behalf
of
a
group.
Do
they
come
down
100,
but
more
often
the
non-councils
are
being
lobbied
by
sort
of
a
different
type
of
lobbyist
and
I.
Don't
know
whether
or
not
we've
addressed
that
and
I
would
concur
that
there
are
13
members
of
the
city
council.
Six
of
them
are
brand
new
they're,
literally
in
the
first
year
of
their
first
term,
so
to
Vivian
Lee
or
through
at
English.
Council
block
had
recommended.
G
Maybe
some
type
of
tutorial
I
had
several
councils
yesterday
asked
me.
Why
I
why?
The
last
several
weeks,
I've
filed
an
amendment
to
an
ordinance
that
we
had
and
I
I
always
do
it
last
minute
and
I?
Did
it
that
same
day?
That's
how
you're
supposed
to
do
it,
because
we're
Bound
by
the
open
meeting
line
I,
don't
have
the
luxury
of
floating
my
Amendment
a
week
in
advance
and
start
grabbing
six
seven,
you
know
whipping
votes
in
the
hallways.
Others
may
do
that.
I!
Don't
do
that.
G
I
have
to
file
in
accordance
with
Robert's
Rules
of
Order
and
the
council
rules,
as
well
as
the
charter,
so
I'm
trying
to
follow
the
rules
and
then
I
learned
that
I
get
colleagues
that
are
expecting
this
document
in
advance
so
that
they
can
read
it
and
make
a
decision
as
opposed
to
making
the
decision
on
the
Fly,
which
is
kind
of
how
it's
designed
when
you're
kind
of
filing
an
amendment.
Because
again
you
can't
win
votes,
so
we
had
one
yesterday,
Council
Roy
would
be
great.
G
You
did
a
great
job
as
the
chair
hearing
working
session
listening
session
and
then,
as
I
was
looking
at
the
legislation
getting
feedback
from
from
constituents
and
across
the
city,
I
decided
to
file
an
amendment
to
that
document
and
I
had
three
or
four
colleagues
saying
geez.
I
I
like
this
I
could
actually
support
this.
But
it's
kind
of
coming
in
late
I
wish
I
had
a
little
more
time
to
Noodle
it
and
talk
to
some
some
folks
and
some
supporters,
so
as
a
result
of
which
it
didn't
pass.
G
But
again
a
lot
of
things
going
to
happen
fast
and
loose
at
times.
But
to
council
box
suggestion,
I
think
that
some
type
of
you
know
and
I
could
even
I
would
even
be
willing.
We
have
these
Wednesday's
luncheon
series.
I
would
even
be
happy
to
host
the
lobby
lobbying
commission
to
come
down
and
just
introduce
yourself
to
the
newest
members
and
just
educate
them
on
sort
of
what's
lobbying.
G
What's
not
lobbying
when
there's
a
gray
when
is
across
the
line,
I
think
it
would
be
very
helpful
because
council
president
has
had
to
do
that
a
number
of
times
this
year
with
Council
rules
and
rabbits
Rules
of
Order
and
decorum
and
all
those
things
because
against
it's
been
a
significant
change.
Unlike
past,
when
I
came
on
the
councils,
just
two
members
came
on
with
me.
You
had
senior
members
that
could
kind
of
show
you
the
ropes.
G
We
had
significant
change
out
of
a
13
member
body,
six
of
brand
new
and
I
believe
two
or
three
others
were
only
in
their
second
term.
So
I've
had
you
know,
I'd,
say
super
majority
of
the
council,
I,
arguably
still
kind
of
learning
the
ropes
and
learning
you
know
the
building
and
who's.
What,
and
where
is
where
so
I
think
that'd
be
extremely
obvious,
so
I
know
I'm
just
going
to
put
a
lot
up
there,
but
four
times
a
year.
Do
we
really
need
to
do
it
four
times
a
year
and.
G
Anything,
and
can
we
help
you,
you
know,
make
those
necessary
changes
by
ordinance,
which
is
I
always
say,
keep
it
simple,
get
it
on
the
books,
let's
work
out
the
Kinks
and
then,
if
we
need
to
make
some
adjustments
that
can
be
done
by
working,
obviously
with
the
council.
So
if
there's
anything
now
that
you
say
hey,
you
know
what
we
missed
this
when
we
out
when
we,
when
we,
when
we
put
this
forward.
G
Oh
you
know
what
something
that's
popped
up
kind
of
here
and
there
that
we
probably
should
address
it's,
not
a
huge
issue,
but
you
know
we
didn't
really
anticipate
that
I.
Think
now
is
the
time
through
the
chair
to
kind
of.
Let
us
know,
in
addition
to
your
applications
and
your
nominations,
which
I
wholeheartedly
support,
I
would
also
welcome
the
feedback
to
to
say:
did
we
miss
anything
here?
Should
we
add
something?
Should
we
scale
something
back?
That's
that's
it.
G
For
me,
I
mean
again
Sammy
and
both
Vivians
I
appreciate
all
of
you
and
your
time
and
attention
and
your
commitment
to
our
city
and
your
commitment
to
this
very
important
issue
is
and
I
had
a
front
row
seat.
As
you
know,
Sammy,
and
going
back
and
forth
ping-ponging
between
the
administration,
the
clerk's
office
and
I
really
felt
bad.
We
were
doing
something
that
was
gonna
almost
be
a
tsunami
to
the
clerk's
office,
but
I'm
fortunate
that,
based
on
what
I'm
hearing
I
think
that
those
cakes
have
been
worked
out.
E
Yeah,
thank
you
Council
right.
You
know
our
first
one
I
just
first
want
to
say
that
on
the
yeah
training,
I
we're
really
happy
to
make
ourselves
available
and
perhaps,
after
the
you
know,
hearing
today
I'll
reach
out
to
the
city
clerk
and
see
if
we
can
actually
start
coordinating
that
more
than
happy
to
do
that
at
the
councils
or
subcommittees
you
know
earliest
convenience.
On
the
on
the
portal
questions,
I'll
say
that
you
know
the
Kinks
have
been
worked
out.
E
I
I
do
think
it
was
a
signal
at
the
beginning,
but
the
portal
actually
seems
to
be
working
really
well,
I,
I,
don't
don't
know
if
you
caught
it.
You
know
earlier
on
in
the
in
the
hearing
today,
but
you
know
if
I
think
for
the
first
time
since
maybe
this
started,
we
have
just
close
to
a
hundred
percent
compliance
for
the
ordinance.
E
As
far
as
you
know,
reporting
follow-on
following
registration
and
that's
you
know,
that's
incredible
and
so
I
think
you
know
from
a
technological
perspective,
the
filing
perspective,
those
those
Kinks
have
been
worked
out
on
the
on
the
quarterly
reporting
piece.
You
know
I
think
we
heard
early
on
that
it
was
onerous
that
those
complaints
they
haven't
been
lodged
in
a
while
I
do
not
know
because
that
people
still
feel
that
way
and
just
they
felt
like
they
made.
E
Just
to
say
you
know
hey,
we
want
to
we're,
not
we're
not
necessarily
proposing
rule
change,
hold
the
listening
session
just
to
hear
from
folks
who
are
actually
doing
the
registration.
And
how
do
you
feel
about
you
know
the
the
quarterly
reporting
versus
biannual
reporting?
If,
if
we
did
it
biannual,
you
know
what
what
would
that
look
like?
Well,
how
would
you
benefit
if
we
kept
it?
As
is
you
know,
what
are
what
are
the
drawbacks?
What
are
the
benefits,
so
you
know
I
think
love
to
follow
up
on
this
and
see.
G
Think
it's
a
great
I
think
that's
a
great
idea
Sammy
and
what
I'm
hearing
is
that
it's
like
yeah,
you
can
you
you
can't
fight
City
Hall,
so
it
is
what
it
is
so
and
you
never
really
want
to
have
that
situation.
We
want
to
make
sure
it's
good
and
it
works
for
everybody,
but
the
feedback
I've
been
getting.
Is
that
the
four
times
a
year
is
still
somewhat
onerous
and
they've
kind
of
you
said
they've
sort
of
spoke
their
piece,
but
their
attitude
is
I.
G
You
know
you
can't
fight
City
Hall
and
you
don't
want
to
get
into
Quagmire
you're,
representing
clients
and
you've
got
other
things
that
you
got
to
focus
on,
but
I
think
a
listening
session
or
hey.
You
know:
how
can
this
be
better
or
can
we
get
some
honest
feedback
without
any
sort
of
penalties
or
punitive
piece
to
the
to
the
folks
that
are
asking
I
think
you
that
would
be
that
would
I
think
it'll
be
healthy
frankly
and
I
wish
I
wish
more
people
and
more
departments
did
offer
that.
E
That's
think
we
would
learn
a
lot
about
other
parts
of
the
ordinance
and
the
regs
as
well,
and
then
you
know
just
I
just
want
to
quickly
double
back
on
a
point
you
were
making
about.
You
know
I'm
hearing
from
you
know
non-profits
and
Advocates,
and
you
know,
are
they
registering
and
how
does
this
apply
to
them?
And
this
is
what
I'll
say
and
I
think
this
actually
just
gets
to
the
heart
of
Education,
as
opposed
to
the
ordinance
and
changes
that
need
to
be
it
made
itself.
E
The
ordinance
is
Broad,
it
doesn't
actually
distinguish
between
types
of
lobbyists.
It
actually
says
you
know,
if
you're
advocating
for
an
administrative
action,
a
legislative
action
or
an
executive
action
either
through
you
know,
proposing
legislation
or
vetoing
legislation
or
amending
legislation.
That's
considered
lobbying
activity,
it's
tough,
because
so
many
people
have
given
the
term
lobbyists
a
certain
meaning
or
a
look
right,
but
in
the
way
the
city
of
Boston
defines
lobbying
I.
Think
it's
broad
to
include
that.
E
You
know
whether
it's
you
know
a
b
c
LLC
or
just
you
know
an
individual
who
lives
at
you
know
some
some
address
within
the
city
of
Boston
and
so
I
think
I
think
it's
an
education
component,
because
the
ordinance
even
says
you
can
be
considered
a
lobbyist.
Even
if
you
are
an
uncompensated
volunteer
of
a
non-profit
organization
who's
advocating
for
something
that
you
know
would
be
considered.
E
Lobbying
activity
so
I
think
it's
an
education
piece,
both
public
facing
but
also
internal,
to
say,
listen
if
you're
hearing
from
these
people,
just
because
they're
not
identifying
themselves
to
you
as
a
lobbyist.
So
they're
not
a
you
know
a
number
of
this
firm
or
that
firm.
They
may
still
have
a
registration
requirement
and
you
should
check
that
before
you
know
you're
meeting
with
someone
or
or
entertaining
communication.
F
And
I
I
would
add
that
one
of
the
things
we
just
discuss
was
if
there's
a
public
hearing
like
this,
and
someone
speaks
on
an
issue
or
before
the
planning
agency
and
they're
speaking
out
of
public
hearing.
That
is
not
lobbying
per
se,
because
that's
the
public
comment
period
right,
so
that's
different
than
if
someone
reaches
out
to
you
and
says
well,
let's
do
this
this
and
that,
and
we
were
very
clear
based
on
what
the
legislation
said.
As
Sammy
said,
lobbying
can
also
lobbying.
We
normally
think
about
is
legislation.
F
However,
it
could
be
an
administrative
action
as
well
right.
So
if
you
know
on
the
side
you're
talking
to
someone
on
the
zoning
board
or
something
that
would
also
be
considered
lobbying,
even
though
it
is
not
much
slate
if
it
is
an
administrative
action,
you
know
I
used
to
be
on
the
Conservation
Commission.
If
someone
was
coming
and
sort
of
calling
me
and
such
that
would
also
be
considered
lobbying,
because
it
would
influence
action
that
was
being
done
at
the
city
level.
F
So
that's,
however,
if
you
were
to
speak
at
the
conservation
commission's
hearing
at
their
meeting
where
it's
public
and
such
on
in
a
particular
issue,
because
it's
publicly
noticed
because
it's
you
know
everyone
can
see
that
would
not
per
se
be
considered
lobbying.
So
some
of
the
nuances
that
we
actually
went
through
as
we
were
implementing
you
know
first
first
year
or
two
was
setting
up
the
whole
system
and
working
with
city
clerk.
F
But
then
we
really
got
into
the
nuances
for
exactly
the
reason
that
you
said
counselor,
because
people
were
asking
us
well,
I
testified
at
the
you
know:
Conservation
Commission
here
do
I
not
have
to
register.
Well,
that's
a
publicly
noticed
meeting,
so
you
know
the
transparency.
Is
there
that's
different
than
calling
me
at
home
and
you
know
and
saying
well,
can
you
do
this
this
and
this?
G
So
on
that
lane,
in
line
with
you
know,
maybe
this
is
probably
better
for
Sammy
each
other.
We
just
went
through
sort
of
an
exhaust
of
redistricting
process
and
and
arguably
the
NAACP
and
the
Chinese
Progressive
Association
and
other
activist
groups.
They
they
kind
of,
took
the
process
over
and
they
had
tremendous
amount
of
influence.
G
I
I
put
it
all
in
the
same
bucket,
if
someone's
asking
you
to
vote
a
certain
way
and
someone's
putting
pressure
on
you
to
do
something
I
think
that's
Lobby
in
during
that
process,
as
well
as
other
process,
I,
don't
want
to
just
sort
of
sing
along
with
the
redistricting,
but
but
every
time
you
turned
around
it
was
someone
from
the
CPA
someone
from
the
NAACP
some
other
activist
group.
You
know
we're
going
to
talk
about
this
map.
G
G
I,
don't
think
they
registered
if
they
are
registered,
they
I
don't
think
they
registered.
For
that
specific
event,
which
was
the
redistricting
process,
we
had
a
number
of
hearings
and
we
had
working
sessions
and
listening
sessions
and
we
also
went
out
into
the
neighborhood,
but
in
every
step
of
the
way
you
know
a
handful
of
organizations
pretty
much
took
the
process,
so
there's
no
other
way
to
explain
it.
G
But
obviously
we,
the
city
council,
elected
representatives
of
the
people
who
are
in
a
representative
government
and
we
had
a
committee
structure,
but
that
process
as
well
as
some
some
others
that
we've
seen
over
the
years
kind
of
It
kind
of
sort
of
takes
a
life
of
its
own.
And
but
it's
the
it's
the
it's
those
organizations,
it's
the
it's
the
activist
and
the
influence
that
they're
putting
and
the
pressure
they're
putting
on
members
of
the
council,
which
in
fact
determines
sometimes
how
a
counselor
will
vote
on
something.
G
You'll
have
something
on
the
merits.
The
council
will
actually
ignore
the
merits,
but
because
of
the
the
just,
the
the
overwhelming
pressure
from
you
know,
organizations
within
that
particular
area
or
District
or
demographic.
They
tend
to
they'll,
just
go
with
that,
because
they
just
they're
getting
pressure
and
it's
the
pressure's
real
and
we
even
had
a
situation
that
you
know
on
on
a
piece
of
legislation
yesterday
that
there
was
significant
pressure
on
both
ends
of
the
spectrum.
G
You
know
to
try
to
get
folks
to
get
to
the
middle,
and
ultimately
it
was
you
know,
could
be
viewed
as
a
somewhat
of
a
compromise,
but
it
was.
There
was
a
lot
of
pressure.
There
was
a
lot
of
pressure
on
both
sides
of
that
and
it
wasn't
administ.
It
wasn't
pressure
coming
from
the
administration,
because
that's
that's
inherent
in
baked
into
just
a
strong
mayor
in
Council
form
of
government,
but
this
is
outside.
This
is
outside
influence
and
I
guess
they're
not
registered
lobbyists.
G
We
need
to
take
a
look
at
that,
but
we
also
probably
need
to
have
a
tutorial
for
for
the
newer
members
for
the
existing
members,
all
of
us
I
guess,
but
in
particularly
the
new
amendus
they
can
differentiate
between
you
know,
which
sort
of
which
public
advocacy
and
which
lobbying
in
and
what
pressure
and-
and
you
know
when
does
it
cross
the
line
into
a
when
does
it
when
does
a
person
or
that
entity
need
to
register
with
the
clerk
like
everybody
else,
so
that's
my
two
cents
on
it.
Thank
you.
E
G
And
I'll,
just
one
one
last
minute:
I'll
talk
to
a
colleague
and
I'll,
say:
Hey,
you
know,
could
you
you
know?
Could
you
you
know?
Could
you
support
this?
This
is
a
b
and
c
looks
really
good
I'd
really
like
to
do
it,
but
I
just
I.
Just
can't
the
the
activists
are
like
you
know,
it's
just
unbelievable.
They
just
won't
leave
me
alone.
It's
like
it's
real
pressure.
G
My
a
lot
of
my
colleagues
are
under
regular
pressure
from
from
groups
and
organizations
within
this
city
and
no,
even
though
it's
a
you
know,
it's
good
and
it's
sound
and
it
makes
sense
they
won't
vote
for
it
because
of
the
pressure
that
they're
under
from
a
specific
entity.
It
could
be
a
civic
association,
it
could
be
a
community
group,
it
could
be
another
colleague
I
get
the
inter
into
workings
of
the
politics,
but
more
often
than
not,
it
will
be
a
tremendous
amount
of
tremendous
amount
of
pressure
and
influence.
G
That's
bearing
down
on
that
member
of
an
elected
body
and
they're
now
making
a
decision
based
on
that
pressure
just
to
get
the
pressure
off
of
them
right.
Just
I
don't
want
that
they'll
threaten
they
want
someone
against
me
or
they
won't
support
me
or
it's
real
pressure,
Sammy
and
Vivian
and
Vivian.
It's
not
that
the
person
got
a
check
to
advocate
for
a
specific
company
or
a
specific
project.
G
G
You
take
some
of
the
some
of
the
the
nonprofits
and
the
Civic
and
the
activists.
That's
that's
pressure.
They're
outside
your
door.
They
follow
you
to
the
elevator.
They
follow
you
into
your
hat.
You
know,
they've
been
up
they've
been
outside
my
house,
they've
been
outside
Shannon
Arroyo's
house.
They
went
outside
the
Council
of
blocking
Council
Flynn's
house.
There's
this
whole
new
way.
They
come.
They
come
to
your
house.
G
So
what
point
are
we
crossing
the
line?
What
point
does
it
public
advocacy
and
just
sort
of
looking
out
for
things
in
the
neighborhood
and
protecting
quality
of
life
issues?
And
what
time
is
it?
What's
it?
What
is
it
it's
real
lobbying?
It's
real
pressure.
You
know,
counselors
can't
sleep
at
night,
they're
touring
it
between
you
know
voting,
yes
or
no,
because
you
got
pressure
from
activists
in
organizations
and
groups
and
many
of
them
being
compensated
in
some
capacity.
I
I.
Just
we
need
to
flush
this
out
because
it
it
it.
G
It
rears
its
head
every
every
week,
every
week
at
City,
Hall
and
again
we're
in
a
strong
mayor
form
of
government.
So
you
would
think
that
the
lobbyist
and
activist
would
be
more
on
the
other
side
of
the
fifth
floor,
and
then
it
would
be
us
and
sort
of
on
the
way
that
the
structure,
but
they
they
do
they're
more
active
than
than
the
typical
sort
of
prototypical
lobbyists
I,
think
we
I
think
we
as
a
body
and
I
think
we
as
a
city
we
need
to
Define
and
and
bring
some
clarity
to
that.
G
Because
again
it's
pressure,
you
know
a
paid
lobbyist
will
ask
for
consideration.
Would
you
consider
supporting
this
I'll?
Consider
it
off
now?
Okay,
and
they
leave
you
alone,
you're
done
they
did
their
job.
They
asked
the
question:
they
got
their
compensated
for
it.
They
exit
stage
left
this
other
stuff
is
constant
and
swaying,
opinions
and
swaying
votes.
G
It's
changing
legislation,
it's
real
and
yet
those
folks
don't
have
to
register
they're,
not
considered
law
abuse,
but
yeah,
yeah,
I,
think
I've,
exhausted
it
ad
nauseam
and
my
quality
Journal
pain
on
it
through
the
chair,
but
I
think
we
need
to
and
we
didn't
address
it
Sammy.
In
the
very
beginning,
we
kind
of
left
that
off
to
the
side
say
we're
going
to
keep
an
eye
on
it.
It's
pretty
intense
and
it's
regular,
it's
arguably
weekly
and
it's
pressure
that
we
don't
get
from
lobbyists
that
are
registering
and
it's
pressure.
G
E
Yeah
yeah
I
think
I
think
what
I'm
hearing
from
you
is.
You
know
there.
There
may
still
be
some
ambiguity
about
you
know
again
the
ordinance
doesn't
regulate
how
you
Lobby
it
just
says.
If
you,
if
you
engage
in
any
of
the
following
conduct,
that's
considered
lobbying
activity
and
now
you
need
to
register
I.
Think
what
I'm
hearing
is.
E
You
know
there
may
be
some
ambiguity
about
the
types
of
activities
engage
in
whether
that's
considered
lobbying
and
if
it
is,
our
people
registering,
and
you
know
we're
always
happy
to
look
back
and
say:
okay,
if
we
actually
put
enough
meat
on
these
bones
and
our
regulations
to
Define
what
is
and
what
is
not
lobbying
activity
and
I.
Think
if
you
know
if
there
are
some
ambiguities
there,
I'm
hearing
that
you
know
perhaps
there
may
be.
You
know
we're
happy
to
listen
and
take
those
issues
up.
E
E
You
know.
That's
that's
activity.
There
isn't
a
non-profit
exemption,
but
perhaps
a
lot
of
the
conduct
that
nonprofits
might
be
engaging
in
are
covered
under
one
of
those
things
that
are
considered
not
lobbying
activities
but
yeah
to
clarify
I
mean
the
way
we
see
it
is
if
you're,
advocating
or
administrative,
legislative
or
executive
action,
and
it
does
not
fit
under
one
of
the.
These
are
not
lobbying
activities
you
know,
non-profit
for-profit
or
somewhere
in
between
you
have
to
register.
E
E
So
again,
if
you
are
advocating
for
administrative
legislative
executive
action,
even
if
you're
uncompensated
and
you're
not
engaging
in
what
is
considered
a
not
lobbying
activity
activity,
you
have
to
you
have
to
register
and
report
and
I
think
this
gets
to
why
we
heard
from
some
people
during
the
public
hearing
process
again,
I
have
no
opinion
on
how
you
do
it,
but
what
we
heard
is
people
advocating
for
a
de
minimis
exemption,
meaning
you
know.
Okay,
maybe
we're
not.
E
You
know,
I'm
not
being
personally
compensated,
but
we're
not
spending
a
lot
of
resources
to
Lobby
we're
only
on
this
specific
issue.
Maybe
we
don't
have
to
register,
because
you
know
we're
kind
of
in
and
out
on
one
issue
when
this
issue
is
gone,
we're
not
going
to
be
at
City
Hall
anymore,
advocating
on
you,
know
this
issue
or
any
other
issue,
but
the
way
we
read
the
ordinance
it
doesn't
authorize
the
de
minimis
exemption.
E
In
fact,
if
the
language
sounds
fairly
clear
that,
if
you're
engaging
in
activity
you're
registering,
you
know
no
no
exceptions
to
that,
I
think
where
that's
where
something
like
that
could
come
in
or
be
considered.
We
heard
that
through
the
public
hearing
process,
but
no
there
isn't
a
there,
isn't
any
kind
of
exemption
for
uncompensated
folks.
In
fact,
the
ordinance
very
clearly
states
that,
even
if
you're
uncompensated,
you
could
be
considered
a
lobbyist.
B
Yeah
so
I
think
my
takeaway
is
that
the
order
of
operations
should
be
like
we.
You
know
we
should
have
a
briefing
with
the
council.
Mike
was
kind
to
offer
his
lunch
slot
potentially,
but
you
know
find
time
to
kind
of
give
people
a
sense
of
this
and
let
counselors
ask
a
bunch
of
questions
about
well
wait.
B
Would
this
situation
probably
fall
under
it
or
whatever,
and
then
I
think
that
enables
us
to
both
be
good
ambassadors
about
the
laws
it
currently
stands
and
the
law
is
that
is
the
law,
so
I
think
it's
really
important
that
everyone
in
the
building
know
what
those
rules
are
and
be
able
to
communicate
with
folks
who
maybe
don't
think
that
they're
covered
by
this
hey
I?
Think?
Actually,
you
probably
are
so
say
it
better,
be
safe,
like
you
should
do
this
go
here,
you
know
we
can.
B
We
can
train
our
staff
on
how
to
direct
people
to
the
right
stuff
there,
and
you
know
it
might
even
be
something
where
you
know.
A
lot
of
us
have
auto
replies
that
direct
people
to
different
staffers
for
different
capacities.
After
this
conversation,
I'm,
like
oh
I,
could
imagine
adding
something
in
mind
like
hey.
If
you
you
might,
if
you
think
you
might
be
doing
Municipal
lobbying,
you
might
want
to
register
here's
a
link.
B
You
know
just
I
think
we
counselors
could
be
quite
helpful
on
that
stuff
and
then
I
also
think
that
us
asking
about
hypotheticals
and
sort
of
understanding
what
it
does
and
doesn't
apply
to
might
help
us
think
through
whether
we
want
to
take
legislative
action
to
to
adjust
anything.
You
know
so
yeah.
E
And
I'll
I'll
add
to
that
I
like
the
idea
of
like
a
hypothetical
potpourri
only
because
that
helps
us
tremendously
to
Think
Through
situations.
You
know
just
to
go
back
to
something:
we've
also
done
as
a
commission.
The
last
few
years
is
when
we're
confronted
with
with
a
situation
that
isn't
particularly
clear.
We've
actually
sat
down
and
prepared
advice,
published
advisory
opinions.
So
if
you
actually
go
to
the
compliance
commission
website,
you
know
we
were
confronted
with.
The
situation
of.
You
know:
wait
a
second
under
under
the
lobbying
ordinance.
E
If
someone
is
advocating
for
procurement
to
go
to
some
a
particular
vendor,
that's
considered
lobbying,
but
then
we,
you
know
we
got
this
hypothetical
question
of
wait
a
second.
What,
if
I've
been
invited
to
participate
in
an
interview
as
part
of
a
competitive
procurement?
If
I'm
going
in
there
advocating
for
my
company
get
the
contractor,
we
engage
in
lobbying
activity,
activity
and
I.
You
know
I
thought
that
was
an
interesting
question.
It's
not
particularly
clear
in
the
organ,
so
we
drafted,
you
know,
thought
about
it
researched.
E
It
met
at
a
public
hearing,
voted
to
publish
an
advisory
opinion
on
whether
you
know
an
RFP
post,
RFP
selection
process
interview
is
considered
lobbying
activity,
and
so,
if,
as
a
result
of
our
you
know,
hypotheticals
conversation,
there
are
some
really
interesting
hypos
that
are
not
very
clear
under
the
ordinance.
We're
happy
to
go
back
and
actually
put
together,
published
advisory
opinions,
put
them
up
on
the
site
and
educate
folks
on
those
discrete
situations.
F
And
I
think
related
to
that.
The
other
example
we
talked
about
was
if
the
planning
agency
adds
asks
someone
to
come
in
to
further
explain
their
project
or
proposal.
That's
not
lobbying!
That
is
in
response
to
a
request
for
additional
information
by
the
agency
different
than
if
the
proponent
you
know
said
they
wanted
to
meet
with
Arthur
Jameson.
F
You
know
that's
a
different
scenario,
so
we
even
thought
about
that
in
a
semi-indicated
earlier,
if
a
consultant
say
an
engineering,
firm
or
Transportation
consultant
comes
in
with
the
proponent,
at
the
request
of
the
agency,
then
again
that
is
not
considered
lobbying
so
I.
You
know
we
really
went
in
into
a
lot
of
the
nuances
of
of
what
might
or
might
not
be
considered
mobbing
and
I.
Think
we'd
be
more
than
willing
to
share
with
you
our
initial
thoughts
on
that,
and
you
might
say
we
were
wrong
or
you
want
to.
C
And
I
saw
council
president
Flynn
left
I
was
gonna,
suggest
exactly
what
council
Flaherty
suggested,
which
is
we.
We
used
to
do
sort
of
lunches
on
city
council,
meeting
days
that
were
sort
of
for
educational
purposes.
I
think
this
would
be
a
good
group
to
put
together
to
sort
of
have
conversations
about
who's.
C
The
lobby
is
what
what's,
what
kind
of
action,
because
I
think
the
intention
of
this
when
it
was
passed
and
I
think
this
was
essentially
passed
before
me,
though
the
effectiveness
date
came
in
when
I
first
came
in
in
2020
right.
This
thing
called
cobit
happened,
and
so
we
never
really
had
any
like
I.
Just
remember
the
clerk
having
questions
about
sort
of
like
the.
How
do
I
get
these
things
on
file?
How
do
I
do
all
these
different
things?
C
More
of
a
administrative
than
the
actual
sort
of
language
of
the
ordinance
itself
and
defining
aspects
I
think
there
there's
a
benefit
to
the
council
to
have
that
conversation
so
that
this
doesn't
devolve
into
sort
of
gotcha
enforcement,
but
rather
giving
folks
the
knowledge
of
the
existence
of
this
and
that
you
actually
do
qual
whether
you're,
because
it
seems
like
you-
can
essentially
qualify
for
this.
Even
if
you're
not
paid
by
an
organization.
C
I
guess
often
we
have
instances
where
organizations
might
reach
out
to
people
who
aren't
technically
members
or
sort
of
member
adjacent,
and
they
will
come
with
that
group
and
maybe
Lobby
in
a
different
way,
without
even
knowing
their
lobbyists,
because
they're
just
folks,
responding
to
a
friend's
request
to
come,
speak
to
their
counselor
right.
So
I
think
there's
a
there's.
An
education
aspect
to
this
that
should
be
made
available
not
just
to
the
council
I
think
it's
important
for
the
council
to
recognize
it,
but
also
an
education
component
for
the
public.
C
But
it's
not
it's
it's
very
far
and
few
in
between
and
I
I
know,
Council
Flaherty's
been
here
longer
so
I
don't
know
if
that's
a
new
thing
per
se,
but
it's
certainly
not.
We
usually
are
hearing
from
Community
groups,
Community
neighborhood
organizations,
Civic
organizations
non-profits
it's
it's
rare
for
us
to
have
sort
of
the
traditional
big
Corporation
paid
lobbyists
outside
the
door
and
so
I
think
that
an
education
thing
has
to
sort
of
happen
with
that.
C
Yeah
and
so
I
think,
because
the
private
interactions
are
better
sort
of
monitored
by
the
actual
people
being
attracted
with
I,
think
it
makes
sense
for
us
to
know
what,
what
and
where
it
it
qualifies
or
Falls,
and
so
that
that
I
think
is
a
two-pronged
situation
where
I
think
it's
not
just
because
it's
just
a
sort
of
re
regurgitate
things
I've
heard
here,
I
think
there's
a
good
chance
that
we
would
all
benefit
from
a
council.
Counselor
only
sort
of
learning
and
conversation
I
think.
C
There's
a
request
here
separate
and
apart
from
that
about
a
listening
session
for
people
impacted
where
they're
coming
to
you
and
saying
these
are
the
things
that
I
think
could
be
better
served
and
then
I
think
there's
a
third
prong,
which
is
you
as
an
organ
you
as
sort
of
a
board
or
the
council
or,
however,
or
in
in
conjunction
an
education
plan,
outwardly
to
folks
who
may
not
even
know
that
this
falls
on
them.
And
so
for
me
those
are
three
separate
sort
of
things
that
we
should
probably
look
at
trying
to
do.
C
If
we
really
want
this
to
work
effectively
because
I
also
remember
clerk
Feeney,
his
major
issue
was
like
that.
We
require
four
four
registrations
in
this.
This
is
a
like.
We
have
to
create
new
databases,
and
so
it
sounds
like
we
got
a
lot
of
that
administrative
work
done.
We
figure
out
how
to
sort
of
streamline
a
lot
of
that
or
get
that
done
in
an
efficient
manner,
but
I
think
now
we
have
to
do
some
of
the
more
outward
work.
So
that's
inward
work.
C
G
Break
summation
that
ties
it
all
up
together
and
and
there's
a
reference
in
Council
block
alluded
to
it.
I
think
I,
don't
know
if
I'm
in
the
next
I
have
like
one
of
those
luncheon
series,
I
I
when
it's
the
next
Wednesday
or
next
few
Wednesdays,
so
I,
don't
know
if
through
Sammy
or
Vivian
or
Vivian,
how
you
want
to
communicate
it
but
I'm
happy
to
host.
G
G
B
G
G
Offering,
if
we
can
figure,
we
could
work
our
schedules
great
and
then
just
lastly,
come
to
a
royal
attack,
is
I
I
think
like
the
Greater
Boston
real
estate,
for
that
might
be
a
good
example.
We
just
had
that
issue
the
vote.
Yesterday,
Greater
Boston
real
estate
board
I
assume
that
they've
registered
and
they've
put
they
put
money
behind
a
campaign
around
it.
G
B
G
E
There
there
isn't-
and
in
fact
there
are,
there
are
unions
that
are
registered.
There's
one
there's
one
exception,
that's
Union
related,
which
is
this.
So
if,
if
a
union
representative
is
engaging
in
a
collective
bargaining
negotiation
with
the
city,
those
collective
bargaining
negotiations
are
not
considered
lobbying
activity
so
that
wouldn't
trigger
it.
But
if
a
union
representative
is
you
know
at
you
know,
meeting
with
one
of
you
to
discuss
legislation
that
is
pending,
that's
considered
lobbying
and
would
require
registration.
In
fact,
many
unions
are
registered.
F
At
our
last
meeting,
the
only
applicant
that
had
not
filed
had
not
filed
the
report
was
one
of
the
unions,
which
I
think
has
subsequently
been
taken.
Care
of.
We
should
be
at
100
now
it
was
99
when
we
had
our
last
meeting
and-
and
it
was
actually
a
union
and
the
the
the
rep
had
been
away
or
on
leave
or
something.
So
there
was
a
reason
for
it,
so
so
they
other
than
what
Sammy
said
they
are
required
to
register
and.
E
It
it
seems
so
I
mean
you
know.
Obviously
this
goes
back
to
enforcement
and
education,
which
is
you
know
for
us
as
volunteer
members.
You
know
we
at
least
I
I'll
I
will
admit.
Vivian
and
Vivian
may
actually
have
this
down,
but
I
I
do
not
know
every
Union
that
the
city
interacts
or
is
in
collective
bargaining.
E
Offices
and
departments
within
the
city
may
be
aware
of
certain
organizations
that
are
coming
in
that
that
we
may
not
be
that
are
not
registered,
but
you
know
I
I
I
think
all
I
can
say.
Is
you
know?
Yes,
there
is,
you
know,
unions,
to
the
extent
that
they're
advocating,
for
you
know,
policies
or
legislation
do
I
have
to
register
and
I
can
also
say.
You
know
yes,
that
there
are
unions
who
are
registered,
stirred
and
are
complying
with
the
quarterly
reporting
requirement.
C
Yeah
and
it
sounds
like
in
some
ways,
this
goes
further
than
some
of
the
state
laws
on
their
own
lobbying
at
the
State
House,
in
the
sense
that
I'm
not
sure
the
state
considers
sort
of
community
organizations
necessarily
at
like
lobbyists,
I
know,
but
they
have
a
different
sort
of
Evan
Florida
who's
actually
on
their
doorstep
right.
So
yeah.
E
C
And
I
think
that
that
second
prong
of
sort
of
having
people
impacted
talk
to
us
about
where
we
could
be
better
I.
Think
that
addressing
why
it's
different,
whether
those
differences
make
sense
to
continue
to
have
or
whether
there's
ways
to
edit
some
of
that
language,
to
make
it
more
specific
and
Tighter
to
what
what
we're
dealing
with
in
in
a
good
way,
I
think
is
probably
a
good
step.
So
I
think
my
action.
Steps
coming
out
of
this
is
I'll.
C
This
is
likely
the
first
time
they
would
actually
even
engage
with
this,
and
so
I
think
it
makes
sense
to
have
that
so
I
think
that
should
be
sort
of
priority
and
then
I
think
there's
a
secondary
folks
who
are
already
enrolled.
Folks,
who
already
know
that
they
apply
to
this,
have
had
sort
of
that
they're
they're
aware
to
its
user
friendliness.
E
Well,
you
know
I'll
say
that
you
know
the
department
of
Information
Technology
in
the
state
clerk's
office
have
been
wonderful
and
facilitating
kind
of
any
Outreach
we
want
to
do
you
know
they've
they've
been
doing
that.
So
we
do
have
a
website.
There's
a
lot
of
information
on
the
website
about
the
lobbying
ordinance,
the
rags
bulletins
reporting,
where
you
can
find
reports
you
know
so
that
those
those
mechanisms
are
there
on
kind
of
other
stuff.
You
know
videos.
What
have
you
know
we're
we're
Scrappy
Bunch.
E
You
know
on
the
kind
of
Outreach
you
know
memo.
Writing
letter.
Writing.
I.
You
know,
I
I
spend
some
of
my
own
volunteer
time.
Writing
you
know,
memos
and
stuff
that
Alex
the
city
clerk
can
then
have
be
sent
out
to
the
you
know:
city
employees.
You
know
our
former
commissioner
Linda
Champion,
you
know
coordinated
with
a
local
non-profit
who
has
a
you,
know
film,
editing
internship
program
to
help
us
put
together
a
webinar.
E
So
you
know
we
try
to
leverage
what
we
can
find
to
get
the
word
out.
But
but
you
know,
I
will
say
that
the
city
clerk's
office
and
the
department
of
Information
Technology
have
been
really
supportive
on
have
facilitated.
Much
of
you
know
both
the
kind
of
The
Kinks
and
the
technological
aspect
of
this,
but
also
our
our
Outreach.
D
C
I,
understood
and
I
will
just
say
on
my
part,
I'm
going
to
recommend
appointment
for
all
of
you.
It's
so
that's
why
my
questions
are
more
geared
towards
future
actions,
but
I
appreciate
you
all
taking
the
time
to
be
here
with
us
this
morning.
I
don't
want
to
hold
you
longer
than
I
have
to
councilor.
Flaherty
I,
see
your
hand
up.