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From YouTube: Committee on Ways & Means on May 21, 2021
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Dockets #0668, 0669- Authorizing the City of Boston to submit Statements of Interest to the Massachusetts Schools Building Authority
B
Harry
you're,
the
best
I
I
owe
you
something
I
know
where
you
are
okay,
great
awesome.
Well,
I
think
we're
ready
to
get
started.
So
I'm
calling
this
hearing
of
the
boston
city
council's
ways
and
means
committee
to
order
for
the
record.
My
name
is
kenzie
bach,
I'm
the
district
councillor
for
district
8
and
also
the
chair
of
the
council's
ways
and
means
committee.
B
This
public
hearing
is
being
recorded
in
live
streamed
at
boston.gov
city-council-tv.
It
will
be
rebroadcast
on
xfinity
channel
8,
rcn,
channel
82
and
verizon
files,
channel
964.
we'll
be
taking
public
testimony
at
the
end
of
this
hearing.
So
if
you
wish
to
testify
via
video
conference,
please
email
shane.pac,
that's
s-h-a-n-e
dot,
p-a-c
at
boston.gov
to
sign
up
and
when
you're
called,
we
ask
you
to
state
your
name
and
affiliation
or
residence
and
limit
your
comments
just
two
minutes
or
more
just
so
that
we
can
make
sure
all
comments
are
heard.
B
You
can
also
submit
written
testimony,
including
after
the
fact
to
ccc.wm
boston.gov,
that's
wm
for
ways
of
means.
Ccc.Wm
boston.gov.
B
It
is
also
on
docket
0669
message
in
order
for
your
approval
authorizing
the
city
of
boston,
to
submit
to
the
massachusetts
school
building
authority,
statements
of
interest
for
the
horace
mann
school
for
the
deaf
and
hard
of
hearing
located
at
40
armington
street
boston
mass.
The
statement
of
interest
describes
and
explains
the
deficiencies
in
the
priority
category,
for
which
the
city
of
boston
may
be
invited
to
apply
to
the
massachusetts
school
building
authority
in
the
future.
B
So
with
that
out
of
the
way,
I
just
want
to
thank
my
colleague,
councilor
ed
flynn,
from
district
2
for
joining
us
today,
and
I
know
we're
also
joined
here
by
mr
nate
cooter
who's,
the
cfo
for
boston,
public
schools
by
carlton
jones
carlton,
I'm
so
sorry,
I
don't
have
your
title
up
in
front
of
me.
That's.
B
Excellent
facilities,
department
and
ms
alvarez,
would
you
mind
introducing
yourself
as
well.
B
Fantastic
great,
so
we
are
joined
by
the
cfo
and
ceo
of
bps
and
public
facilities
as
well
and
without
further
ado
I
will
pass
the
mike
over
to
nate,
cooter
or
whomever
on.
The
team
is
going
to
kick
us
off.
D
Awesome,
thank
you
very
much
and
I'm
going
to
go
through
a
short
presentation
this
morning,
as
you
mentioned,
we're
here
to
talk
about
the
district's
submissions
to
the
math
school
building
authority,
we
are
submitting
our
statement
of
interest
which,
along
with
that,
the
math
school
building
authority
asks
for
a
vote
by
the
city
council
in
support
of
these
statements
of
interest.
So
we
appreciate
your
time
today
and
the
opportunity
to
present
what
we
are
submitting.
D
I
wanted
to
put
in
the
context
of
the
overall
capital
budget
plan
so
that
people
don't
think
this
is
these
limited
number
of
projects
represents
the
full
fy
22
capital
plan.
I
was
just
before
the
council
earlier
this
week
talking
about
bill
bps
and
the
capital
plan,
so
I
won't
belabor
the
point
but
wanted
to
just
highlight
that
this
is
part
of
three
commitments
that
we've
made
as
a
district
for
this
year's
capital
plan.
D
This
is
really
about
changing
the
way
we
work
and
the
way
that
we
partner
with
our
communities
to
make
sure
that
we
have
an
equity,
centered
capital
planning
process
in
the
overall
capital
budget.
Pro
capital
submission
this
year,
there's
78
million
in
capital
improvements
in
district-wide
initiatives.
D
Core
program,
which
is
about
new,
builds
brand
new
schools
like
the
quincy
upper
or
the
carter
school,
we're
announcing
five
overall
new
school
buildings
that
we're
building,
one
of
one
of
which
we're
submitting
for
the
math
school
building
authority
this
year
talking
a
lot
today
and
focusing
really
on
the
math
school
building
authority,
which
is
a
state
agency
that
provides
additional
funding
to
local
districts
to
be
able
to
do
facilities,
improvements
and
new
school
buildings.
There
are
two
main
programs
operated
by
the
mass
school
building
authority.
D
The
first
is
the
core
program,
which
are
projects
covering
extensive
repairs
and
new
school
buildings.
The
second
program
is
what
they
call
the
accelerated
repair
program,
since
we
tend
to
speak
in
acronyms
you're
going
to
hear
us
talk
about
the
arps.
This
is
the
accelerator
repair
programs.
These
are
projects
recovering
roofs,
boilers,
windows
and
doors
today,
we're
proposing
that
we
are
submitting
to
the
statement
of
interest
for
accelerated
repair
program,
submissions
and
one
core
building
program.
D
This
is
the
most
dense
side.
I
think
we're
going
to
present
to
you
today,
but
we
wanted
to
make
very
clear
what
the
criteria
is
for
selection
into
the
accelerated
repair
program.
The
math
school
building
authority
is
very
prescriptive
in
terms
of
what
they
fund
across
windows,
roofs
and
boilers.
They
set
forth
a
number
of
criteria
and
when
we
submit
our
buildings
to
the
msba,
they
compare
them
to
submissions
from
districts
across
the
commonwealth
and
prioritize
based
on
need.
D
So
while
they
ask
us
to
submit
projects
based
on
a
certain
age
criteria
for
windows
and
boilers,
they
will
ultimately
look
at
all
the
submissions
and
their
goal
is
to
fund
this
buildings
that
are
in
most
need
of
repair,
and
this
is
to
help
get
the
commonwealth
caught
up
across
deferred
maintenance
in
deferred
maintenance
across
the
state
we
are
submitting
for
the
msba
window.
Projects
in
two
buildings,
where
the
windows
that
are
in
the
buildings
are
over
35
years
old
meeting
the
criteria
from
the
math
school
building
authority.
D
This
is
the
hernandez
k-8
school,
which
is
in
roxbury
in
eggleston
square
and
boston
day
and
evening
academy,
which
is
also
in
roxbury
right
in
nubian
square.
Next
to
our
headquarters
and
we're
also
submitting
boiler
repairs
for
boilers
that
are
over
30
plus
years
old,
which
is
the
henderson
upper
and
dorchester
and
russell
elementary
in
dorchester.
D
Our
criteria
for
selecting
schools
both
represented
a
look
at
where
we
had
made
where
we
had
needs
in
buildings.
So
we
prioritized
by
looking
across
all
of
the
buildings
and
the
conditions
of
the
facilities,
and
then
we
also
wanted
to
make
sure
that
these
were
buildings
that
we
plan
to
operate
without
a
major
construction
project.
For
some
time,
the
msba
asks
us
to
look
at
accelerated
pairs
only
in
buildings
that
we
plan
to
operate
without
a
new
building.
D
So
in
the
case
of
the
carter
school,
we
wouldn't
have
submitted
them
for
an
accelerated
repair
program
prior
to
their
major
construction
project,
because
that
would
have
been
handled
when
we
did
the
major
construction
project.
The
other
piece
of
that
is
by
submitting
an
accelerated
repair
program.
We
are
committing
to
operate
in
that
building
for
20
or
30
years,
depending
on
the
program,
and
so
this
then
limits
our
ability
to
submit
that
building
for
a
core
program.
D
Later,
we've
talked
a
lot
about
in
the
last
couple
weeks
about
lining
up
all
of
our
buildings
so
that
they
know
so
communities
know
when
they
will
be
in
line
for
a
brand
new
building
and
many
of
the
communities
you've
heard
from
are
are
asking
for
a
new
school
building
on.
This
can
be
a
major
factor
in
determining
the
sequence
in
which
we
submit
if
a
building
has
participated
in
the
arp
program
in
recent
history,.
D
Most
exciting
project,
as
part
of
this,
for
those
of
you
who
don't
get
really
fired
up
about
boilers
or
windows,
of
course,
is
the
mass
sport
building
msba
core
building
program.
As
you
know,
we've
been
in
a
protracted
conversation
with
both
the
jackson,
man
and
the
horseman
community,
due
to
a
facility's
emergency,
and
unfortunately,
we
are
closing
the
school
facility
at
the
end
of
next
school
year
in
june
2022.
D
As
part
of
our
commitment
to
the
horace
mann
school
for
the
deaf
and
hard
of
hearing,
which
is
a
unique
program
serving
students
who
are
deaf,
we
are
submitting
them
for
the
mass
core
building
program
so
that
they
can
receive
a
new,
state-of-the-art
building.
We
are
very
excited
about
this
program
and
look
forward
to
working
with
the
msba
on
it.
D
D
Those
three
projects
we
are
not
planning
to
do
in
partnership
with
the
msba,
those
will
be
city
funded
projects.
Part
of
this
has
to
do
with
the
msba
process,
is
a
little
longer
for
core
buildings.
So
what
we
wanted
to
do
was
launch
these
three
projects
in
more
rapid
succession
and
then
submit
msba
for
projects
that
will
take
a
little
bit
longer
and
have
more
expertise
needed
a
lot
more
involved
in
it,
as
would
be
the
case
with
a
specialty
program
of
the
horace
mann.
D
The
final
core
building
project
that
we've
launched
or
announced
today
is
a
new
k-8,
a
pre-k
to
8
in
austin
brighton
at
the
site
of
the
jackson,
man
of
horse
man.
The
horseman
may
ultimately
end
up
back
at
that
site
as
well,
but
we
plan
to
submit
to
the
msba
next
year
a
new
elementary
school
build
in
austin
brighton
to
help
launch
the
new
building
process
in
austin
brighton
for
one
or
more
of
the
existing
communities.
Again,
I
just
wanted
to
lay
that
out
there,
so
you
have
the
full
context.
D
So
the
next
steps-
and
why
we're
here
today
the
city,
council
and
school
committee,
will
be
voting
on
the
submission
of
the
statement
of
interest
to
the
msba
we
then
submit
in
june
for
both
of
the
applications
we
submit
a
detailed
application
to
the
msba,
explaining
the
needs
of
the
projects
and
our
prioritization
in
the
summer
and
fall
the
msba
will
come
back
to
us
and
tell
us
whether
or
not
the
statement
of
interest
have
been
accepted
and
so
that
we
will
come
back
to
you
for
a
vote
for
appropriation
for
those
projects
if
they
are
accepted
into
the
school
building
program.
D
Funding.
Just
note
in
the
presentation
that
I
sent
over
there's
a
few
more
details
both
on
our
overall
capital
repairs,
as
well
as
a
comprehensive
list
of
the
msba
current
projects
that
I
mentioned
on
an
earlier
slide.
If
I
were
to
put
it
up
here,
it'd
be
a
bit
of
an
eye
chart.
So
I
encourage
you
to
look
at
those
slides,
there's
also
more
information
available
on
the
msba
website
and
with
that
I'll
turn.
It
back
over
to
chairman
bach,
for
your
questions.
B
Great,
thank
you
so
much
nate.
I
will
I'll
go
first
to
my
colleague
counselor
flynn,
for
any
of
his
questions.
Counselor
flynn,
you
have
the
floor.
E
Thank
you.
Thank
you,
council
block
and
thank
you
to
nate
and
the
team
dedicated
city
officials
that
are
here
with
us
working
on
this
important
work.
I
don't
have
any
questions
per
se.
I
just
wanted
to
acknowledge
the
hard
work
that
you're
doing
the
the
focus
that
you're
putting
on
the
students
and
making
sure
that
they
have
the
best
physical
buildings
possible
to
study
effectively.
E
B
Great,
thank
you
so
much
counselor
flynn,
so
nate
just
a
few
questions
from
me.
I
mean,
first
of
all,
definitely
I
think
we've
heard
across
the
city,
the
you
know
the
anxiety
and
strong
sense
that
the
horace
mann
school
needs
a
new
permanent
home,
and
so
it's
great
to
be
doing
something
concrete
here
and
applying
to
the
corps
program,
and
I
know
that
counselor
braden
wanted
me
to
convey
her
apologies
for
not
being
able
to
be
here
today.
B
She
had
a
conflict,
but
she
feels
very
strongly
supportive
of
the
endeavor.
I
I
wondered
if
I
could
just
ask
you
a
couple
of
questions
so
in
terms
of
that,
with
the
arp
program,
the
way
that
sort
of
putting
in
money
for
it
kind
of
disqualifies
a
building
for
subsequent
core
building
applications.
C
D
Sort
of
tied
up
in
that,
let
me
look
to
see
if
I
have
that
information
readily
available.
I
believe
msba
went
through
a
a
shift
in
how
they
did
their
funding
their
projects,
but
I
believe
what
we're
looking
at
in
terms
of
our
list
of
construction,
I
have
as
early
as
2015.
D
A
Under
the
new
program,
no
the
another
form
of
msba.
Yes,
there
were
other
projects
like
the
burke,
for
instance,
and
others,
but
it
goes
forward
and
backwards.
So
it's
really
just
a
span
of
50
years.
As
I
understand
it,
so
there's
a
prohibition
for
change
for
50
years
out
I
mean
it
can
be,
which
is
why
we
have
to
be
very
careful
about
this:
the
buildings
that
we
choose
and
the
selections
that
we
make.
B
D
Yeah,
what
we
would
do
is
I
mean
we
could
always
do.
They
would
be
disqualified
likely
from
any
core
projects
with
the
msba
if
we
were
doing
a
new
build
or
we
did
anything
that
if,
if
we
were
to
take
off
the
roof
that
we
just
did,
we
would
owe
the
msba
money
sort
of
the
amount
that
was
remaining
on
the
lifespan
of
the
system
that
we
were
placed
and-
and
it
certainly
would
not
look
good
upon
us
with
our
relationship
with
the
msba.
D
But
the
other
thing
is
that
we
just
have
to
use
the
building
for
another
school.
So
if
we
were
or
for
school
use.
So
if
we
were
to
say,
submit
a
particular
building
for
a
new
or
a
school
for
a
new
building
or
move
a
school
into
a
new
building,
we
could
then
use.
We
would
then
be
committed
to
using
that
building
for
school
and
I
think,
in
the
short
run,
certainly
most
of
our
school
buildings.
D
We
will
be
using
for
either
swing
space
or
expanded
space
or
different
configurations,
as
we
start
to
figure
out
our
planning.
But
this
is
why
it's
important
for
us
to
have
a
really
detailed
outlook
on
when
we're
going
to
sunset,
particular
buildings.
You
know
a
lot
of
ways.
The
last
six
years
we
have
been
working
very
hard
to
get
out
of
our
emergencies,
out
of
our
deferred
maintenance,
with
a
focus
on
arps
and
there's
not
been
as
much
focus
on
on
new
school
buildings.
B
Got
it
I
see
and
and
in
terms
of
process,
so
with
the
arp
we
sort
of
expect
that
winter
answer
the
on
the
on
the
core.
Sorry,
can
you
refresh
my
memory?
I
think
you
may
have
said
it,
but
just
like:
what's
the
timeline
there,
I
know
it's
like
a
longer.
B
Oh
so,
oh
I
see
so
it's
actually
both
so
core
and
arp.
We
would
expect
an
answer
on
both
of
those
in
the
winter.
D
Yeah
and
we
the
the
timeline-
the
msba-
has
opened
the
application
later
this
year
due
to
delays
in
covid.
So
I
anticipate
there
will
be
some
delays
and
notification
as
well,
but
the
typical
process
is
that
we
would
get
notification
of
acceptance
into
the
core
building
program
in
the
fall,
and
I
may
rely
on
carlton
to
talk
a
little
bit
more
about
how
the
process
works
through.
D
But,
as
you
know,
probably
from
following
the
quincy
upper
and
the
carter
school
project,
there
are
a
number
of
checks
along
the
way
where
there
will
be
votes
from
the
city
council
in
support
of
the
project
and
votes
for
appropriations
to
pay
for
the
projects
as
they
go,
which
usually
follow
the
the
design
process
and
getting
a
better
sense
of
the
scope
of
the
project.
Overall.
D
And
then,
if,
if
we
were
to
find
out
that
none
of
these
projects
were
selected
or
if
some
of
the
projects
were
selected
by
finding
out
the
fall,
we
would
then
be
able
to
prioritize
those
projects
and
think
about
them
in
the
submission
for
fy
23
capital
budget
and
begin
the
process
there.
D
B
Right
and
what
has
our
success
rate
been
like
because,
with
the
arps,
I
have
an
impression
that
we
sort
of
you
know:
we've
sometimes
submitted
like
six
and
gotten
two
here,
we're
only
submitting
four
yeah,
okay,
so
submitting
four
like
and
and
what
I
don't
know,
because
this
I
haven't
been
doing
long
enough
is
how
many
core
projects
we've
applied
for
and
not
gotten,
because
I
only
really
know
about
the
survivors,
so
curious
kind
of
what
the
track
record
is
on
that
front.
D
Yeah
you're,
absolutely
right
that
in
the
past
we
have
submitted
more
accelerated
repair
projects
and
the
idea
of
sort
of
pushing
the
msba
to
fund
more
projects
and
what
we
we
were.
We
were
more
modest
their
submission
this
year.
For
two
reasons.
D
The
first
is
just
sort
of
a
recognition
that
the
msba
is
unlikely
to
fund
a
lot
of
projects
this
year,
given
sort
of
state
revenues
and
we're
just
kind
of
looking
and
saying
typically
you're
right,
we've
been
approved
for
somewhere
between
two
and
four
projects
per
year.
So
let's
submit
our
most
needy
projects.
D
The
other
factor
that
we're
looking
at
is,
as
we
start
to
prioritize,
we
have
done
a
lot
of
arp
projects
as
we
start
to
look
at
the
buildings
that
still
have
old
systems.
We
really
needed
to
know
what
our
plan
is
for
new
builds
over
the
next
10
20
30
years,
so
that
we
don't
non-strategically,
lock
ourselves
in
in
a
place,
and
so
we
picked
a
number
of
buildings
that
we
knew.
D
We
would
continue
to
operate
as
as
school
buildings
for
a
variety
of
reasons
or
where
we
had
submitted
other
accelerated
repair
programs
in
the
recent
history.
So
if
we
did
their
roof,
we're
submitting
their
windows
or
we
did,
you
know,
boilers
or
submitting
windows.
That
kind
of
thing,
because
we
already
made
the
commitment
to
that
building,
so
it
makes
sense
for
us
to
then
submit
for
the
second
system
and
then
for
the
other
buildings.
D
It
made
sense
for
us
to
wait
a
year
so
that
we
so
that
we
can
lay
out
our
plan
with
the
city,
come
back
to
the
msba
and
say
here's
our
overall
vision
for
what
we
want
to
do.
D
The
second
question:
in
terms
of
our
success
rate
for
msba
core
submissions,
it
has
been
mixed
and
we
quite
honestly
need
to
be
more
strategic
in
how
we
think
about
our
core
submissions,
and
you
know
the
msba's
part
of
this
asks
has
been
asking
us
for
what
is
our
you
know:
facilities
master
plan,
as
you
have
asked
us,
and
the
community
has
been
asking
us
as
well.
D
So
you
know
what
we
wanted
to
do
is
with
the
horace
mann,
because
it
is
a
school
that
is,
it's
really
a
gem
for
us
in
the
city.
It's
one
that
we
know
serves
as
specialized
population
is
incredibly
important
to
our
portfolio
of
schools.
D
We
expect
that
they'll
submit
they'll,
have
a
they'll
review
this
project
and
respond
to
this
submission
before
we
have
fully
vetted
and
sort
of
laid
out.
D
But
our
plan
is
to
come
back
in
the
fall
with
a
proposal
to
the
community
to
say:
here's
how
we're
prioritizing
our
buildings
and
that
will
likely
spark
a
lot
of
debate
within
our
community,
so
we'll
probably
be
shifting
it
and
modifying
it
as
well,
so
that,
in
the
spring,
when
we
submit
for
our
statement
of
interest
for
next
year's
core
building
program,
that
they
can
see
how
it
fits
into
a
broader
picture
of
how
we
plan
to
rebuild
all
of
our
screens.
B
Got
it,
but
the
point
is
we
won't,
have
that
broader
picture
in
time
for
them
to
consider
this,
so
we've
just
got
to
hope
that
they
think
that
the
man
is
is
a
great
option
on
the
merits,
which,
of
course,
we
think
it
is
yeah,
okay
and
so,
and
the
tobin
is
one
of
the
schools
you
submitted.
We
did
the
boilers
before
so
is
it
anywhere
in
the
queue
for
the
windows?
D
No
that's
good.
The
tobin
is
not
eligible
for
windows,
yet
you're
right,
they
did
have
a
boiler
which
we
submitted
in
2017,
and
the
project
was
probably
analyzed
more
recently,
the
current
age.
D
They
do
have
windows
that
are
approaching
the
end
of
their
sort
of
life
span
and
eligibility
for
windows
is
35
years
and
the
data.
I
have
says
that
those
windows
are
closer
to
33
years
old,
so
it's
very
close,
but
not
yet
eligible.
D
Theoretically,
I
have
the
roofs
that
are
approached,
so
I
have
the
list
of
all
of
the
roofs
that
are
approaching
a
particular
age,
but
I
do
not
have
the
age
of
the
roof
for
the.
B
D
B
Yeah
cause,
it
certainly
seems
to
me
like
given,
given
our
desire
to
do
this
sort
of
repositioning
and
given
are
like
the
idea
of
doubling
down
on
the
buildings
that
we've
already
made
a
significant
msba
commitment
to
makes
a
lot
of
sense
on
the
arp
side
now,
but
both
of
these
ones
are
not
both
sorry,
the
four
of
these
ones.
Are
they
all
new
to
the
arp
rolls
the
henderson
russell
hernandez
boston
dan
evening.
D
Says
you
know
I'm
I'm
fast
with
operating
budget
questions,
I'm
still
learning
my
the
the
ropes
of
pulling
up
the
data
on
capital.
So
I
need
to
work
on
my
capital,
vamping
skills.
D
That's
fair:
I
apologize
I'll
have
to
get
back
to
you
on
on
the
information
for
both
of
those
buildings.
If
they've
been
for
a
project,
I
do
not.
B
Yeah,
I
don't
see
either
of
them
on
the
list
of
27,
so
it
would
have
to
be
prior
to
2017.
okay.
So
it's
just
that
the
so,
with
the
with
the
russell
and
the
hernandez
they
both
I
mean
hernandez,
has
a
2020
project
and
the
russell
has
a
2018,
so
so,
for
both
of
them,
like
we've,
got
a
fairly
substantial
msba
hook
on
them
already.
D
That's
right,
the
of
the
of
the
four
projects,
the
of
the
four
projects
three
of
them
have
been
submitted
for
for
msba
projects
before
for
bgea
at
the
wheatley
building,
which
is
how
we
refer
to
the
building
that
they're
in
that
has
not
been
through
an
msba
project,
but
there's
virtually
no
conceivable
version
where
we
won't
be
operating
that
building
as
a
school,
given
its
proximity
to
the
dearborn,
our
commitment
to
the
bda
and
so
and
other
potential
future
uses
given
its
its
placement
in
the
city.
D
So
we
felt
like
it
was
both
a
needed
project
and
a
yeah
safe
bet.
Exactly.
D
The
henderson
has
had
a
project
before
the.
B
D
I
misunderstood
that
the
henderson
is
in
dorchester
sorry
right
and
I
I
apologize.
I
had
I
misread
the
data
that
that
building
has
not
been
submitted
for
an
msba
before
this
is
the
first
for
them.
B
Got
it
okay,
but
that
one
and
so
then
my
question
is
just
that
one.
We
feel
comfortable,
that
it
would
not
be
a
candidate
for
a
full
rebuild
in
the
near
future.
D
Both
I
mean
again
when
we
look
in
dorchester
there's,
and
particularly
in
that
part
of
dorchester
part
of
the
reason
that
we're
talking
about
building
a
new
elementary
school
in
that
area
for
an
existing
school
community
is
the
need
for
space.
It's
one
of
the
places
where
we
don't
have
enough
seats
close
to
home
to
serve
all
the
students,
so
even
under
sort
of
aggressive
enrollment
declines.
D
We
would
still
need
elementary
space
in
that
area,
and
so
the
henderson
being
one
of
our
popular
schools
and
schools
serving
a
you
know,
high
needs
full
inclusion
population.
We
anticipate
keeping
that
building
online
great
awesome.
B
Okay,
just
wanted
to
check
and
with
the
with
the
horseman,
what's
the
level
of
detail
of
the
of
the
application
like,
I
know
it
sounds
like
it's
more
us
describing
why
we
need
it
than
us
describing
what
we
would
do.
Is
that
accurate,
like
it's
more
about
the
deficiencies,
then.
D
That's
right
the
justification
for
the
project
overall
and
then
there's
later
parts
of
the
process
which
identify
what
we
would
do
and
how
sort
of
alternative
design
proposals.
If
the.
If
the
project
was
selected.
A
Well,
I
was
just
going
to
add
to
what
nate
said
the
beauty
of
the
core
project
application.
Is,
it
doesn't
really
want
you?
The
mspa
doesn't
even
want
you
to
really
specify
a
solution.
They
want
you
to
specify
a
statement
of
need
and
statement
of
interest,
and
that
way
you
can
say
this
is
what
we're
looking
for
and
then
the
msb
will
help
provide
the
resources
to
help
us
figure
that
out,
which
is
great.
A
They'll,
provide
an
owner's
project
manager,
they'll
provide
a
design
team,
and
so
we
are,
we
have
the
benefit
of
being
able
to
partner
with
the
msba
on
that
journey
of
what
this
is
going
to
look
like,
and
we've
done
that
again
successfully
with
the
dearborn,
the
jqs,
the
baa
and
the
carter
coming
up.
So
that's
that's
great
and
we
love
working
with
them
in
that
behalf,
so
pfd's
role
is
we're
the
implementers,
if
you
will
we're
the
ones
who
actually
support
the
msb
msba
resources
as
well
as
providing
our
own.
A
So
we
have
project
management
resources.
We
have
design
resources
in
the
department
and
persons
such
as
myself,
who
help
kind
of
coordinate.
A
So
it's
a
it's
a
coordinated
effort,
a
large
effort-
and
you
know
we
are
here
to
support
that
work.
Getting
done
for
bps.
B
Great
awesome,
and
indeed
do
you
mind,
educating
me
on
sort
of
what
the
ceo's
role
in
relationship
to
these
projects
is.
C
So,
in
general,
we're
talking
about
operations
and
in
operations
at
six
different
departments
and
as
and
the
two
well,
I
would
say,
the
main
department
that
will
be
working
in
conjunction
with
pfv
and
the
cfo
is
the
facilities
department.
And
we
are
you
know
the
the
ones
who
have
the
curing
custody
and
the
maintenance
of
the
building
so
to
be
part
of
the
process.
And
we
have
that
partnership.
C
At
the
very
beginning,
it's
crucial
to
make
sure
that
we
we
really
understand
what
we're
doing,
how
we're
doing
and
how
do
we
maintain
it
long
term
so
that
we're
not
having
conversations
of.
We
will
be
good
repairs
for
another
50-plus
years.
In
my
48
days,
friday,
nate
and
I
have
become
best
friends
already
in
terms
of
what
we
need
to
really
provide
the
right
kind
of
facilities
for
our
kids.
B
Great
well
welcome
to
the
team
glad
to
have
you
looking
forward
to
more
of
these
hearings-
hopefully,
hopefully
ones
where
we're
ratifying
our
grand
success
with
the
msba.
Certainly,
I've
got
the
baa
in
my
district
and
had
the
pleasure
going
to
the
top
and
off
and
feel
very
appreciative
of
the
mspa
on
that
front.
Yeah,
I
think
I'll.
You
know
I'll
bracket,
our
usual
conversation
carlton
about
the
the
pipeline
and
how
we're
gonna,
you
know,
get
more
of
these
projects
to
our
folks
and
a
diverse
set
of
procurement
partners.
B
I
think
that's
important,
but
I
think
we've
we're
just
talking
about
that
at
the
capitol
hearing,
so
more
follow-up
there
and-
and
then
I
just
guess-
and
we
found
I
mean
I
think,
based
on
the
projects
you
named.
I
know
them
to
have
been
successful
in
this
front,
but
have
we
found
that
the
design
teams
that
we
get
assigned
from
the
msba
for
the
core
program
are
good
about
the
kind
of
like
working
with
us
on
the
community
engagement
side
and
making
sure
that
the
school
communities
are
really
kind
of
in
the
mix?
D
We,
you
know
throughout
each
phase,
in
the
process
the
designers
do
meet
with
the
school
communities
to
understand
we've,
particularly
in
the
boston
arts
academy
project,
also
infused
student
voice
in
that
process,
and
you
know
part
of
the
reason
that
we
think
the
msba
will
be
a
great
partner
for
us
in
the
morris
mann
project
with
it
being
you
know,
sort
of
a
specialized
school
community
is
that
when
their
designers
come
in,
they
can
bring
on
the
expertise
and
ask
the
right
questions
of
the
schools
around.
D
What
are
the
unique
needs
of
the
community
and
support
us
through
that
process,
because
it's
not
you
know,
I
think
when
we
start
to
build
and
we
start
to
get
our
own
core
building
projects
around
elementary
schools,
we're
going
to
see
as
a
broader
district.
What
are
what
our,
what
we
think
our
schools
need
to
be,
what
resources
they
need
to
have
with
some
feedback
from
individual
school
communities.
D
In
this
process
with
the
horace
mann,
we
can
assume
that
what
works
for
for
every
student
will
work
for
students
who
are
deaf
or
hard
hearing,
and
I've
had
the
opportunity
to
spend
time
with
them
and
learn
a
little
bit
and
I've
learned
enough
to
know.
We
need
support
and
help
from
some
really
talented
designers,
who
will
who
will
listen
to
the
community
and
connect
with
them
on
their
needs.
A
A
When
we
have
design
conversations,
I
mean
I
can
think
of
examples
most
recently
with
the
josiah
quincy
upper
school
or
jques,
where
not
only
is
the
headmaster
or
headmasters
the
co-head
masters
there,
richard
and
steven,
but
also
he
had
probably
a
good
15
or
so
members
of
his
faculty
and
staff
involved
in
various
conversations
about
what
the
building
is
going
to
look
like
how
the
rooms
are
going
to
be
used,
what's
important
to
them,
how
they
see
themselves
in
the
building,
how
the
building's
going
to
be
used
after
hours
even
to
make
sure
that
they're
provisions
for
community
use
after
hours.
A
So
there
is
a
lot
of,
in
my
opinion,
there's
a
lot
of
community
input.
We
also
have
community
engagement
meetings.
We've
had
four
at
least
that
I
can
recall
with
josiah
quincy
upper
school
in
the
last,
certainly
in
the
last
six
months
or
so
so,
and
we
have
another
one
scheduled
coming
up.
So
you
know
we're
rolling
out
to
the
community.
We
meet
with
the
community
action
advisors,
different
different
community
organizations
as
well.
So
we
are.
A
The
one
thing
we
don't
want
to
do
is
build
this
in
a
vacuum
right
design
in
a
vacuum
we
don't
want
to
as
nate
said
assume
anything
quite
frankly,
and
so
we
are
we're
very
open
and
above
board
to
do
that.
The
one
thing
we
have
is,
and
we
rely
on
the
schools.
I
was
going
to
say
that
one
thing
we
haven't
done
is
had
students
in
this
particular
project
as
much
but
these
schools,
so
I
know
zaya
quincy
opera,
for
instance,
they're
reaching
to
their
students
to
get
their
student
voice.
A
I
just
haven't
seen
them
at
the
meetings,
but
they're
they're.
Definitely
their
input
is
there.
So
it's
a
big
part
of
what
we
do.
B
No
that's
great
to
hear
yeah
I
just
and
and
like
I
said,
I
think
I've
certainly
heard
lots
of
great
things
from
the
community
about
the
josiah
quincy
process
and,
although
I
wasn't
the
counselor
for
it,
I
think
folks
feel
very
warmly
about
the
boston
arts
academy
process
in
that
community.
So
that's
good.
B
I
just
I
ask
because
sometimes
sometimes,
when
we
partner
with
state
agencies,
the
community
engagement
suffers
because
we,
as
the
city
are
used
to
being
a
little
bit
closer
to
some
of
the
folks
that
we're
serving
than
the
state
agencies
are,
and
I
know
that
in
other
other
realms
that
has
been
attention
sometimes.
So
I
just
wanted
to
get
a
feel
for
whether,
like
you
know
whether
that
created
a
challenge
for
us,
but
it
sounds
like
the
design
teams
have
been
very
amenable
to
being.
We
work.
A
With
them
as
well,
so
we
have
meetings
with
state
agencies
massdot,
given
the
proximity
of
the
josiah
quinn's,
the
upper
school
to
the
turnpike,
we're
meeting
with
them,
and
then
the
city
agencies
as
well.
You
know,
btd
public
works,
all
those
acronyms.
You
know
we
run
through
them
all
and,
of
course
isd.
B
Very
important
partner,
yeah
and
then-
and
it
doesn't
look
like
there's
a
particular
shift
towards
I
mean
you-
do
have
two
window
projects
here.
I
had
sort
of
thought
that
the
msba
might
go
like
all
windows
because
of
the
experience
we
all
had
around
school
ventilation,
but
there's
been
no
directive
from
them
on
that
front.
D
No
none-
and
I
I
would
just
say
I
think,
as
I
rapidly
learn
more
about
capital
projects,
windows
end
up
becoming
really
expensive
quickly,
and
so
it's
they
can
do
a
lot
more
sort
of
roofs
and
boilers
than
they
can
on
windows
and,
at
times,
they've
not
authorized
window
projects
as
much
as
they've
authorized
some
of
the
other
ones.
I
think
there
also
can
be
longer
process.
Carlton,
correct
me
if
I'm
wrong,
but.
A
So
it's
a
long
lead
time
it
has
to
do
with
the
particular
type
of
construction.
You
have
to
actually
take
out
a
window
measure
the
window
and
order
the
window.
So
it's
kind
of
a.
I
guess
it's
a
good
thing.
You
don't
want
it
to
not
fit,
of
course,
so
that
that's
one
of
the
reasons
why
it's
just
a
longer
lead
item,
but
we
did
two
large
window
projects.
A
A
I
shouldn't
call
it
the
marshall,
it's
up,
dorchester,
sorry
at
outdoor
chester,
old
habits,
and
then
we
also
had
windows
at
a
school
that
just
went
on
my
head
when
I
set
up
dorchester
I'll
think
of
it
at
the
moment,
but
we're
they're,
oh
they're,
in
the
process.
A
B
Got
it
yeah
no
and
we
did
get
the
otis
ones
all
done,
because
I
remember
that
there
was
a
conversation
about
how
it
might
take
two
summers,
but
we
got
that
all
finished.
We
did
that's
great,
congratulations,
good
news!
Yeah!
I
mean
I
said
I
wasn't
gonna
go
back
to
my
hobby
horse,
but
the
windows
thing.
That's
why
I
feel
like
we
need.
We
need
an
mbe
owned,
wind
custom
window
factory
in
boston,
because
it's
like
on-site
work.
It's
clearly
like
you
can't
just
you
can't
mass.
D
We
are
meeting
with
the
black
economic
council
in
a
few
weeks,
specifically
around
our
capital
planning
and
how
to
do
more
to
support
minority
owned
businesses
throughout
the
city,
and
this
is
something
that
you
know
many
of
your
other
counselors
who
bring
it
up
at
every
hearing,
so
I'll
bring
it
up.
D
Unprompted
well,
not
unprompted,
because
you
brought
it
up
but
happy
to
talk
about
it,
because
I
think
it
is
really
important
for
both
local
businesses
and
minority
women
owned
businesses
to
have
a
prominent
role,
and
I
do
think,
there's
a
net
there's
an
element
to
this.
Where
we,
you
know
to
your
point,
about
windows,
when
we
lay
out
we're
going
to
be
doing
these
projects
that
allows
people
to
think
about
starting
companies
or
bringing
their
companies
in
to
to
get
ready
for
our
our
construction.
So.
B
Totally
and
I
think
and
and
and
I
think
we're
gonna
want,
you
know
we're
gonna,
we're
gonna
hope
to
procure
diverse
teams
around
the
the
core
builds
and
everything.
I
just
think
that,
like
the
lowest
hanging
fruit,
are
these
like
it's
like
three
types
of
projects:
spoilers,
roofs
and
windows.
Like
you
know,
they're
coming,
you
know,
there's
gonna
be
a
continued
state
pipeline
to
fund
them
like
it.
B
Just
is
the
type
of
thing
and
people
could
you
know
that's
something
that
a
business
can
develop,
crews
and
and
instruments
for
and
kind
of
like
be
on
top
of
plus.
It
sounds
like
if
we
got
good
at
the
windows,
we
could
sell
them
to
everyone
else,
so
I'm
just
saying
but
yeah
I
I
think
definitely
that's
that's
something
we
all
should
not
lose
sight
of
as
you're
thinking
about
this
capital
plan
all
right.
B
I
think,
though,
that
those
are
all
of
my
questions,
so
I'm
just
going
to
read
into
the
record
a
letter
that
I
have
from
counselor
braden
I
mentioned
before
she
couldn't
join
us,
but
I
do
just
want
to
formally
read
in
her
letter
of
today
may
21st
2021.
dear
counselor
bach.
B
I
regretfully
am
unable
to
be
in
attendance
at
today's
committee
onways
and
means
hearing
on
doc
at
zero,
six,
six,
eight
and
zero
six
six
nine,
a
hearing
regarding
the
approval
of
massachusetts,
school
building
authority
statements
of
interest
as
a
district
city
councillor
for
austin
brighton.
I
would
like
to
express
my
support
for
docket
docket0669
authorizing
the
city
of
boston,
to
submit
to
the
massachusetts
school
building
authority,
statements
of
interest
for
the
horace
mann
school
for
the
deaf
and
hard
of
hearing
located
at
40
armington
street
boston
mass.
B
I
kindly
ask
that
you
submit
this
letter
into
the
record.
Thank
you
sincerely
liz
braden
chair
committee
on
strong
women,
families
and
communities,
boston,
city,
council,
district,
nine.
So
that's
been
right
into
the
record,
and
certainly,
I
would
say,
as
the
chair
of
ways
and
means
that
I
joined
councillor
braden
in
support
of
669
and
also
668,
and
I
will
be
recommending
these
dockets
for
passage
at
the
next
city
council
meeting,
which
will
be
next
wednesday
just
in
time
so
yeah.
I
think
with
that.
B
I
just
want
to
check
nate
andy
carlton.
If
any
of
you
want
to
say
any
closing
words
and
otherwise
I'll
bring
us
out.
B
Great,
thank
you
all
as
well
and
to
you,
and
everyone
watching
have
a
lovely
weekend
with
that.
This
hearing
of
the
boston
city
council's
ways
and
means
committee
is
adjourned.
Thank
you.
All.