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Dockets #0524-0531, 0535, 0536 - Fiscal Year 2022 Budget: Boston Police Department including Revolving Funds
Held on May 10, 2021
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All
right,
I
think,
probably
our
best
bet,
while
we're
waiting
for
commissioner
long
is
for
me
to
start
the
process
of
reading
the
our
opening
statement,
just
because
there
is
significant
verbiage
to
get
through
there
and
I'm
mindful
of
everybody's
time.
We've
got
a
lot
of
people
sign
up
for
public
testimony
and
lots
of
folks
on
this
call.
So
candace
we're
good
to
go.
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If
you'd
like
to
sign
up,
you
can
email,
ccc.wm
boston.gov,
with
written
testimony,
you
can
go
to
boston.gov
budget
testify
to
find
out
how
to
sign
up
to
testify
here,
live
in
the
zoom
in
person.
We
also
have
a
way
to
submit
videos
to
be
played
at
the
end
of
the
hearing.
We
ask
that
you
do
that
48
hours
in
advance
and
then
we'll
be
having
two
dedicated
public
testimony
hearings
on
may
25th
focused
on
bps
and
on
june
3rd
focused
on
the
whole
budget,
both
at
6
pm.
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A
All
right!
Well,
let
me
let
me
just
I'll
address
a
few
housekeeping
items
and
see
if
he's
on
shortly
so
counselors
know
I'm
going
to
be
running
through
questions
with
my
timer
and
my
gavel.
I
would
just
say
to
everybody
that
we
do
have
a
bunch
of
public
testimony
lined
up.
I
I
don't
want
to
leave
all
of
that
to
the
very
end
of
the
hearing
today,
so
I
am
going
to
just
ask
counselors
to
try
to
be
efficient
in
your
question
asking
and
to
leave
space,
as
we
talked
about
this
morning.
A
Just
leave
space
in
your
in
your
time
for
the
department
to
answer
the
questions
so
that
we
can.
We
can
get
that
real
dialogue
going
and
not
just
have
a
list
of
questions
or
statements.
That
would
be
helpful
for
the
back
and
forth
that
we're
seeking
to
have
and
and
then
I
just
also
yeah.
I
want
to
thank
all
of
the
folks
who
are
in
the
waiting
room,
as
people
here
testify
publicly.
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A
M
In
terms
of
opening
statement-
yeah,
oh
sure,
so
thank
you
I'll
just
be
short
and
sweet.
I
know
that
we
have
folks
waiting
on
public
to
testify
publicly
and
do
want
to
create
space.
You
know
first,
thank
you
to
the
department
for
being
here.
Thank
you,
councillor,
bach,
of
course,
for
holding
the
hearing.
I
anticipate
that
there'll
be
a
lot
of
questions
with
respect
to
investigations.
A
Thank
you,
counselor
campbell.
Yes,
we
did
send
a
set
of
folks
over
a
set
of
questions
over
the
bpd
and
we
did
get
a
memo
back
over
the
weekend,
but
I,
I
think
a
lot
of
the
specific
questions
that
we
had
are
left
to
be
asked
here
in
the
hearing
I
yeah,
I
just
think
I
think
bpd
we
have
to
would
we
have
to
get
into
it.
So
if
there's
of
the
many
superintendents
here
is
there
anybody
who's
prepared
to
sort
of
jump
into
one
of
the
topic.
The
many
topics
at
hand.
I
I'm
sorry
I
I
apologize
for
for
being
with
a
couple
of
technical
difficulties,
so
I
I
did
have
the
opening
statement
prepared,
but
you
know
the
interests
of
time.
You
know
I'm
just
going
to
say
I
I
you
know.
I
appreciate
the
opportunity,
on
behalf
of
the
boston
police
department,
to
talk
about.
You
know
the
department
in
general,
the
budget
specifically
and
also
our
commitment
to
the
communities.
We
serve
the
commitment
to
police
reform.
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Okay,
all
right
I'll
start
and
then
just
so
folks
know
the
order
is
campbell.
Flaherty,
braden,
asabi
george
flynn
mejia
arroyo
wu
I'll
I'll.
Just
start
with,
you
know,
they're
the
proposal
on
the
table
in
the
proposed
budget
to
control
overtime
and
the
goal
is
to
achieve
a.
I
think
it's
been,
it's
been
framed
as
a
one-third
cut
in
overtime
compared
to
what's
going
to
turn
out
to
be
our
our
expenditure
for
this
year.
Of
course,
that's
also.
A
One
of
them
has
to
do
with
adding
cadet
to
sort
of
bring
some
hours
over
to
regular
instead
of
overtime.
I
guess
what
I
haven't
yet
heard
from
the
department
and
would
love
to
hear
is
kind
of
like.
What's
the
what's
the
formula
for
the
number
of
hours
I
mean
I
forget
how
many
it
is,
but
I
think
it's
like
600
000
or
something
hours,
overtime
hours
that
need
to
be
cut
in
terms
of
like
thinking
about
those
different
component
pieces,
how
they
could
possibly
succeed.
Just
because
I'll
tell
you
my
concern.
E
Yeah
so
superintendent
absent
here
I
mean
so
there's
a
lot
to
that
counsel
up,
but
the
pieces
are
going
to
add
up
because
some
of
those
special
events
are
gonna.
You
know
start
shifting
from
one
priority
to
another,
so
it's
not
gonna
be
in
addition
to
we've
also
increased
our
medical
staff
on
at
the
occupational
health,
with
partnered,
with
the
brighton
medical
unit,
medical
staff
out
there
in
brighton
to
assist
us
with
you
know,
monitoring
and
getting
our
officers
back
to
help.
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A
Yeah,
I
guess
my
concern
is,
is
the
question
of
how
much
each
of
those
elements
are
going
to
contribute
right
like
do
we
think
we
can?
You
know
through
the
medical
triage
get
you
know
five
officers
a
month
back
to
work
or
or
into
retirement
and
that
cuts
it
by
x
amount?
I
mean
it
just
seems
to
me
like
we
have
to
have
some
kind
of
a
of
a
formula
or
analysis
to
think
that
we're
going
to
get
as
much
of
the
third
cut.
E
The
original
formula,
because
we
can't
anticipate
future
injuries,
that's
the
problem,
we're
getting.
We
are
getting
people
back
to
work
on
a
consistent
basis,
but
unfortunately,
officers
are
being
injured
in
as
we
as
we're
moving
forward
getting
the
ones
that
are
off
the
engine
rolls
back
into
the
workforce,
additional
losses
to
being
injured.
So
it
appears
that
we're
not
making
any
movement
but
we're
making
a
lot
of
movement
and
there's
no
way
to
predict
that.
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E
A
A
A
A
G
It
would
definitely
be
staggered,
but
but
also
too
what
else
is
gonna
in
addition
to
getting
the
offices
back
to
work
or
having
to
recruit
class,
that's
going
to
increase
our
head
count,
which
will
hopefully
offset
some
of
those
replacement
costs
that
would
currently
incur
in
right
now.
So
it
might
be
staggered,
but
the
overall
savings
will
be
significant.
A
Hold
on
I,
I
think
I
think
I
have
a
sense
of
it's
just
like
it's
just
then
it
could
become
the
question
of
like
okay.
So
what
do
we
have
much
chance
of
getting
10
officers
a
month
back
and
how
do
you
do
the
math
with
the
cadet?
You
know
I
I
just.
I
would
love
a
little
bit
more
definition
written
down
about
kind
of
how
we
get
there.
I
I
I
do
think
it
would
be
100.
I
know
what
you're
saying
you
know
like
you
know:
100
spread
out
through
the
years
or
throughout
the
year.
Are
you
talking
like?
If
we
would,
you
know
we
would
get
100
officers
back
next
month?
Would
that
obviously
start
the
process
towards
getting
to
where
we
need?
I
think
you
know.
Obviously,
if
we're
looking
at
100,
you
know
the
sooner
we
get
them
back.
You
know
so
the
majority
of
the
year,
your
net
gain,
is
100
offices.
I
think,
obviously
that
would
get
us.
I
You
know
kind
of
the
numbers
that
we're
looking
at.
I
know
the
superintendent
in
the
student
house
had
mentioned.
You
know
it's
tough.
It's
tough
to
predict
that
you
know
you
know.
Different
variables
come
in,
you
know
come
into
play
how
officers
get
injured,
but
yeah,
I
think
the
hundred
yeah,
I
don't
think
it'd
be.
You
know.
I
A
Right
right,
yeah,
it's
just
if
I
said
I
was
going
to
cut
my
spending
on
anything
by
a
third.
The
first
question
would
be:
how
are
you
going
to
do
it
and
how
are
you
going
to
do
it
over
the
months
right
and
how
much
of
it
are
you
going
to
do
in
july
versus
in
september?
You
know,
so
it's
just.
I
just
think
that
at
some
point
that
has
to
be
mathematically
describable
for.
A
M
Thank
you,
councillor
bach
and
again,
thank
you
to
the
department
for
being
here.
We'll
jump
right
in
to
a
few
questions.
One
is
council
brought
thank
you
for
the
the
question
on
overtime
because,
as
you
can
imagine,
this
is
the
question
that
rises
to
the
top
of
the
list
from
many
constituents,
particularly
the
fact
that
it
is
just
not
sustainable
coming
out
of
covert.
There
is
just
no
way
we
can
maintain
a
budget.
M
So
I
I
can't
stress
enough
when
I
got
the
new
budget,
I
definitely
am
not
optimistic
at
all
that
we're
going
to
to
reach
those
savings.
If
we
weren't
able
to
do
it
last
year,
we
weren't
able
to
realize
that
12
million-
and
that
was,
of
course,
with
events
down
not
up
and
so
really
would
love
some
more
specifics
on
how
we
plan
on
getting
there,
and
so
I
just
wanted
to
re-up
that
question
through
the
chair.
G
Okay,
so
right
now,
counselor
we're
we're
roughly
10
down
in
overtime
cost
at
compared
to
this
time.
Last
year
I
mean,
I
really
think
we
would
make
it
significant
milestones
with
respect
to
our
discretionary
overtime,
but,
as
we
all
know,
the
elephant,
the
room
is
the
replacement
cost
and
we
really
are
trying
to
get
our
offices
back
to
work.
We
just
feel
that
if
we
get
our
replacement
costs
down
like
extended
tools
is
discretionary.
That's
something
we
can
control
more.
G
It's
just
difficult
to
control
the
number
of
officers
that
have
been
out
injured,
but
I
would
like
to
stress
that
we
are
10
down
compared
to
where
we
were
last
year.
So
we
did
hear
you
we
are
trying,
and
I'd
also
like
to
point
out
that
this
year
alone,
I'm
projecting
we're
roughly
going
to
spend
about
16
million
dollars
on
unforeseen
events
that
that
we
incurred
significant
overtime
such
as
the
elections.
The
the
many
demonstrations
that
we
that
were
held
throughout
the
city
this
past
year,
coca-19,
as,
as
everyone
knows.
G
M
G
G
M
I
So
in
terms
of
the
capital,
you
know
like
you
in
almost
the
entire
country,
I
was
disgusted
by
what
I
saw
down
the
capitol.
I
will
say
I
know
you
know
I
know
you're
a
little
frustrated
but
the
the
length
of
time
it's
taken
for
this
investigation
but
think
about
investigations.
I
want
to
make
sure
that
they're
done
the
right
way
so
when
they're
concluded
that
they're
thorough
and
there's
no
other
questions
to
be
asked
about
that,
that
being
said,
they
expect
that
to
be
done.
I
You
know
the
next
couple
of
weeks
and
what
I
will
say
about
that
is
I
I
can
promise
you
if
for
one
second,
I
thought
an
officer
on
the
boston
police
department
had
participated
in
that
they
would
not
be
a
boston
police
officer
today.
So
that's
in
terms
of
the
capital
investigation.
You
asked
about
the
mccann
investigation,
that's
still
going
on
in
general
internal
upstairs.
I
don't
have
a
time
frame
on
that
for
you
and
then
in
terms
of
the
roads,
are
you
asking
I
mean?
I
I
M
Okay
and
then
my
last
question
is,
since
I
think
I
have
a
minute
super
okay,
I
see
you're
nodding
since
we
have.
I
see
you
nora
you
just
popped
up
on
my
screen:
superintendent,
nora
bastian.
Was
there
a
reduction
in
your
bureau
because
we
were
looking
at
the
numbers.
That
was
one
of
my
questions
that
I
submitted.
G
M
That's
very
helpful,
and
then
I
guess
my
last
question
for
this
round
is
the
status
of
sort
of
opt.
You
know.
Obviously
it's
still
in
formation.
I
do
not
think
it's
ready
to
conduct
an
investigation
and
I
said
that
to
stephanie
who's,
the
new
executive
director.
It's
no
knock
on
her.
It's
just
difficult
to
do
an
investigation
when
you
don't
have
all
the
tools
that
you
would
need,
but
just
where
are
we
with
the
implementation
of
opat
in
terms
of
not
just
what
the
investment
it
is?
M
I
M
Okay,
I
wasn't
sure
so
maybe
that's
a
separate
question,
counselor
bach
on
who
do
we
direct
questions
to
about
opad
and
implement
setup,
and
I
would
I
would
still
assume
that
the
department
would
still
play
a
role
and
be
at
the
table,
along
with
a
whole
host
of
other
stakeholders
with
the
setup
of
oped.
I
know
stephanie's
making
her
round,
but
I
can
thank
those
questions
for
the
questions
for
the
administration.
M
A
M
A
H
Thank
you,
madam
chair,
and
I'd
like
to
thank
the
boston
police
department,
in
particular
commissioner
long
and
his
team,
superintendents
and
other
personnel
that
are
on
the
phone
for
their
time
and
attention
today
and
for
the
great
work
that
they
do
we're
blessed
in
the
city
not
only
having
the
first
police
department,
the
nation,
but
we
have
the
best
police
department
in
the
nation
and
it's
because
they're
well
trained
and
they're.
Also
we
we
can
boast
of
having
the
the
best
community
policing
efforts
continues
to
be
a
model
for
other
jurisdictions.
H
So
I
appreciate
the
work
that
you
guys
do
you
know
budgets?
Obviously
we
like
to
put
as
much
predictability
into
budgets
as
possible,
but
we
know
when
someone
calls
9-1-1,
that's
when
it
becomes
unpredictable.
We
just
don't
know
the
situations
that
you
will
find
yourselves
in
protecting
the
public
and
protecting
the
neighborhoods
of
boston.
So
so
I
appreciate
your
efforts
and
attention
on
that
front.
H
That's
a
hot
item.
So
as
we
head
into
the
warmer
months,
commissioner,
the
more
that
you
can
deploy
the
bicycle
unit
as
well
as
additional
walking
beats.
I
think
that
would
be
well
well
received
throughout
the
entire
city
and
all
neighborhoods.
I
want
to
touch
base
on
covid
as
well,
curiously,
how
many
members,
without
obviously
not
getting
into
hipaa
how
many
members
had
either
had
contracted,
covet
and
or
were
subject
to
the
coveted
quarantine
and
what?
If
any,
impact
did
that
have
on
manpower?
H
Clearly,
also,
we
would
recognize
one
would
think
we
would
recognize
the
cost
savings,
because
all
the
parades,
festivals,
major
events
like
the
marathon
and
etc
were
cancelled.
Yet
obviously
we
had
other
issues
to
deal
with.
So
I'm
curious
to
see
what
the
cost
associated
with
that
so
to
see
whether
or
not
we
actually
got
a
cost
savings
or
not,
and
then
from
a
staffing
standpoint
and
again
going
back
to
community
levels
and
civic
associations
and
crime
watch
groups
who
again
clamoring
to
see
more
police.
H
I
guess
who
and
what
determines
staffing
levels
is
that
done
by
the
crom
stat.
Is
that
done
by
activity
in
a
specific,
neighborhood
or
arrest?
And
given
that
arrests
are
down,
I
get
what
mechanisms
are
going
into
play
to
help
captains
determine
what's
the
appropriate
level
of
staffing
per
shift
so
that
we
have
sufficient
police
protection
in
all
of
our
neighborhoods.
H
I
know
that
some
neighborhoods
feel
that
they
don't
get
as
much
as
other
neighborhoods
and
they're
constantly
calling
asking
you
know
to
see
and
to
see
more
offices
in
their
neighborhood
on
this
street
and
then
just.
Lastly,
if
you
could
just
give
a
breakdown
as
it
pertains
to
the
overtime
costs,
you
know,
I
know
that
as
the
longest
serving
member
I
know
we
had
three
or
four
classes
in
a
row
that
were
around
100
110
offices
that
came
on.
H
H
You
know
number
of
experienced
trained
officers
that
we're
going
to
lose,
and
I
see
that
there's,
maybe
something
in
this
budget
for
30.
That's
not
going
to
cut
the
mustang.
If
we're
going
to
get
to
to
staffing
levels
that
are
going
to
be
commensurate
with
the
demand
and
the
need
in
our
communities
to
deal
with
over
hundreds
of
thousands
of
911
calls,
then
I
would
argue
that
you
know
we
need
to
put
on
more
classes
and
those
classes
need
to
be
bigger.
E
H
H
Can
you
walk
us
through
that,
because
I
have
to
think
that
it
has
to
be
an
enormous
undertaking
to
deal
with
that
on
top
of
just
folks
that
are
on
leave
because
of
other
medical
issues
or
concerns
plus
the
fact
that
many
of
those
individuals
weren't
able
to
get
to
the
doctor?
Because
you
couldn't
get
to
your
doctor,
your
primary
kids
were
telling
you
they
wanted
to
do
television.
H
E
Counselor,
hopefully
lisa
can
come
out
for
a
quick
answer,
but
just
anecdotally,
I
think
our
members
were
exposed
more
frequently
to
more
hazardous
situations,
because
the
number
of
contacts
they
had.
So
that's
why
we
had
such
high
numbers
because
they
didn't
have
the
luxury
of
you,
know,
staying
home
and
perform
their
duties.
But
as
an
example,
we
had
two
stations,
I'm
sure
superintendent
mcgoldrick
could
spawn
upon,
but
we
had
two
districts
district
14,
which
is
in
brighton
at
district.
E
It
was
so
decimated
that
we
had
to
bring
people
from
other
parts
of
the
city
just
to
put
their
minimum.
You
know
minimum
staffing
into
place,
so
they
could
ensure
that
all
the
policing
demands
of
those
two
districts
never
mind
in
district
13
as
well.
So
we
had
several
districts
that
were
highly
affected
and
infected
and
you
know-
and
they
in
the
men
and
women
of
the
bpd's
rose
to
that-
and
I
think
lisa
do.
You
have
actually
cost
for
those
particular.
G
G
I
would
like
to
point
out
when
we
presented
last
year
this
time
last
year
we
were
already
up
to
roughly
four
million
dollars
in
covert
related
reimbursement,
replacement
costs
or
52
653
hours
this
time
last
year,
and
that
was
really
only
for
the
period
from
march
to
may.
So
you
can
see
how
significant
that
we
were
affected
by
that
last
year.
E
And,
like
you
said,
commit
counselor
you're
right
on
the
money
about
like
it's
seriously
affected
our
ability
to
have
officers
seeing
that
we're
out
injured
or
ahead
kobe
themselves,
because
the
a
lot
a
lot
of
the
people-
you
know
telehealth
and
you
know
just
getting
people
in
to
see
a
nurse
practitioner
or
doctor.
You
know
they
had
their
own
fears.
It
was
extremely
difficult
and
what
also
contributed
to
the
overtime
is
because
a
lot
of
the
civilian
workforce
had
to
stay
home
as
well.
E
I
Okay,
councilman
before
I
I
just
want
to
give
the
time
I
I
just
want
to
comment
quickly
on
on
that
topic,
and
then
I
just
want
superintendent
goldrick
to
get
the
question
about
staffing
levels,
and
you
know
how
they're
calculated
you
know.
Obviously
you
know
kobe
to
hit
out
of
pop
and
pretty
hard.
It
was
a
massive
undertaking.
Obviously,
as
a
police
department,
you
know
we
have
no
choice
but
to
be
around
24
7..
I
I
can't
say
enough
about
the
officers
and
their
resilience
they
kept
coming
to
work
and
fighting
through
that,
despite
their
own
fears
and
the
fears
of
their
own
family
and
the
health
of
their
families,
there
wasn't
a
ton
of
overtime
incurred
because
of
that,
as
superintendent
hassan
mentioned,
we
did
get
to
the
point
in
several
stations
we
had
to
transfer
people
in
from
specialized
units
because
they
were
so
decimated.
So
then
I
just
want
to
be
fully
run
out
of
time.
P
Crime
trends
have
been
used
in
the
past,
but
they're
not
really
favored
as
a
means
of
determining
staffing,
because
it
rewards
an
efficiency
and
allows
it
basically
incentivizes
inefficiency
in
the
sense
that
you
know
the
more
crime
you
have
the
more
police
officers
you
have
to
throw
at
it.
Whereas
if
your
police
officers
are
doing
a
good
job
and
are
well
positioned
to
impact
crime,
then
then
there's
a
disincentive
to
to
to
keep
that
forward.
Momentum
going
and
there's
also
the
workload
based
model.
P
I
would
say
you
know
most
most
departments:
don't
do
a
formal
analysis
on
a
regular
basis,
because
it's
an
extremely
labor-intensive
endeavor
and
it
can
be
quite
positive.
So
so
what
we're
looking
to
do
is
get
the
right
mix
for
our
city
and
basically
use
the
minimum
manning
construct
and
kind
of
workload
based
analysis.
P
We
figure
past
practice
of
what's
worked
first
in
the
past.
What's
the
right
policy
to
work
now
and
then
supervisory
judgment,
so
we
we'd
have
discussions
with
our
captains
and
make
sure
that
we're
on
target
you
know,
unlike
a
lot
of
other
cities,
I
think
our
you
know
that
our
five-year
crime
trends
in
our
current
year-over-year
crime
trends
indicate
that
we're
doing
better
than
than
most
and-
and
I
think
our
our
numbers-
you
know
for
looking
at
it
from
a
from
a
number
standpoint-
are
good
better
than
most
major
cities.
P
P
H
You
very
much
thank
you
very
much,
chief
and
in
the
superintendents
and,
of
course,
particularly
during
covert
a
lot
of
armchair
quarterbacks
got
to
stay
home
in
their
feeding
pajamas,
but
you
guys
didn't
front
line
and
first
responders
did
not.
So
I
appreciate
the
work
you
did
simple
suggestion.
Obviously,
I'd
look
forward
to
getting
the
results
of
that
staffing
inquiry
and
just
caution
that
just
don't
get
them
from
portland
or
seattle.
A
Q
I
am
you
know.
Obviously
the
overtime
issue
is
a
big
issue.
I
I'm
I'm
I'm
district
nine
district
14
isn't
is
here,
I'm
sorry
to
say
that
here
that
so
many
of
your
officers
were
profoundly
affected
by
the
covet
in
terms
of
just
thinking
about
the
covet.
How
many
officers
were?
Did
you
end
up
testing
positive
for
for
covid
during
the
last
in
the
last
period,
and
then
just
I'd
like
some
insights
into
how
the
best
clinicians
are
are
being
used?
Q
How
many
of
them
have
you
are
being
used
and
how
many
is
there
any
assigned
out
to
district
14
in
austin
in
brighton
and
also
just
out
of
interest?
As
you're
saying
you
know,
so
many
of
your
officers
are
being
exposed
to
covert
infection
over
the
past
year.
The
question
with
how
many
were
tested
positive,
but
also
how
many
officers
are
you
now
have
you
have
been
vaccinated?
Are
you
having
trouble
being
vaccinated
and
all
your
officers
being
vaccinated
so
that
we
we
can
prevent
further
infections
if
possible?
Q
E
E
E
There's
all
kinds
of
sites
set
up
for
first
responders,
and
you
know
they're
not
obligated
to
inform
us
when
they're,
if
they've
been
vaccinated
or
not
so
we're
doing
pretty
good,
and
our
numbers
are
reflecting
reflecting
that
we
still
have
some
people.
I
think
it
was
20
long
term
covered,
but
I
think
we're
down
to
one
or
two
people
that
are
currently
out
on
colvin.
R
So
far
this
year
we
have
six
new
clinicians
that
have
already
been
hired.
We
have
three
additional
clinicians
that
have
accepted
positions
and
we'll
be
starting
in
the
next
few
months.
One
position
is
awaiting
acceptance
and
we
have
four
vacancies
right
now,
so
we
are
moving
forward
and
rapidly
hiring
these
individuals.
We
do
have
interviews
coming
in
just
about
weekly
or
every
other
week,
so
we
are
working
diligently
and
making
sure
that
all
these
positions
get
filled
before
the
fiscal
year
is
up.
R
The
program's
been
in
existence
for
about
10
11
years
right
now,
yeah
in
boston,
and
it's
been
a
huge
success.
Frankly,
I
think
it's
been
underutilized
and
there
should
be
even
more
clinicians
hired.
The
co-response
model
is
a
nationwide
model.
Many
many
police
departments
nationwide
are
picking
up
on
co-response
now
and
it
is
tremendous
on
de-escalating
situations
and
limiting
officer
use
of
force.
So
I'm
just
gonna
draw
a
prime
example.
So
last
year
in
2020
we
had
three
clinicians,
two
being
full-time
one
being
part-time.
R
R
R
The
best
there's
actual
best
training
where
they
actually
train
the
clinicians
as
they're
hired
before
we
even
see
them
so
we're
part
of
the
initial
hiring
process
with
them
once
they're
hired.
They
go
through
best
internal
training
before
they're
brought
over
to
us.
So
today,
right
now
I
have
three
clinicians
with
us
today,
riding
along
with
my
officers
assigned
to
the
street
outreach
unit.
That's
given
them
the
hands-on
field,
training
out
there
and
it's
been
that's
going
to
last
about
another.
R
R
So
I
know
nationwide
we
talked
about
a
lot
of
civilian
response
right
now
and
the
boston
police
department
is
working
on
on
providing
that
in
conjunction
with
a
number
of
different
partners,
city
partners,
but
one
thing
we've
identified
was
16
nature
codes
that
we
believe
should
be
strictly
co-response
nature
codes.
So
these
would
be
calls
for
service
that
that
come
out
through
operations.
R
No,
we
do
not
right
now,
but
we
will
once
these
once
these
18
individuals
are
hired
and
trained.
We
will
have
at
least
one
or
two
co-responsive
cars
in
each
area,
so
we
have
five
areas
in
the
city
of
boston,
so
we
should
have
two
assigned
to
each
area.
In
addition,
we'll
have
one
assigned
to
the
school
police
unit
and
three
additional
clinicians
assigned
to
the
street
outreach
unit
to
deal
with
high
level
emotionally
disturbed
persons
calls
very
good.
R
A
F
Thank
you
very
much,
madam
chair,
and
I
appreciate
council
breden's
questions
around
the
utilization
of
the
best
clinicians
across
the
district.
You
know,
as
many
of
you
know,
it's
been
a
big
part
of
my
work
on
the
council,
advocating
for
additional
resources
to
support
both
general
outreach
and
particular
outreach
to
our
residents,
who
are
in
need
really
of
a
mental
health
response,
but
often
the
co-response
model
is
best
to
utilize
in
in
times
of,
sometimes
in
these
times
of
needs
and
through
the
onboarding
of
additional
providers.
F
Looking
to
make
sure
that
these
providers,
these
clinical
licensed
clinical
providers,
are
able
to
be
more
proactive
in
their
efforts
and
and
supporting
our
residents,
who
are
often
high
utilizers
of
service.
So
just
you
know
continue.
I
continue
to
be
a
a
supporter
of
these
efforts
and
will
continue
to
support
investments
in
that
work
and
grateful
for
the
department's
continued
advocacy
to
to
do
that.
I
do
want
to
talk
a
few
minutes
or
have
a
conversation
for
a
few
minutes
around
the
implications
of
state
reform.
F
F
That
will
be
so
I'm
curious
about
how
the
department's
preparing
to
balance
the
training
requirements
that
are
now
part
of
state
reform
and
to
make
sure
the
balance
the
training
requirements
with
sufficient
staffing
levels
across
the
district,
as
that
rolls
out
in
the
next
couple
of
months,
because
that
the
training,
my
understanding,
will
take
a
number
of
officers
off
the
street
on
any
given
day.
So
how
are
we
preparing
for
that?
I
So,
council,
you
know
what
I
I
will
I'll
answer.
One
part
of
the
other
part
I
can
have
superintendent
carter
talk
about
the
training
implications.
You
know
a
challenge
for
us
is
going
to
be.
You
know
a
bureau
of
professional
standards.
You
know
with
with
the
new
police
reform.
You
know
we
it
has
to
when
we
get
complaints
in
there
has
to
be
a
timely
dissemination,
we're
going
to
have
between
the
op,
the
post
kind
of
some.
I
You
know
it's
obviously
duplication
of
effort
there,
but
there
are
strict
timelines
that
we're
going
to
have
to
meet
we're.
Looking
at
staffing
levels
within
the
internal
affairs
bureau
itself,
that's
going
to
be
a
challenge
and
you
know
we're
looking
internally
where
those
bodies
are
going
to
come
from,
but
make
no
mistake
their
workload's
going
to
be
increased
exponentially
because
of
this,
but
but
we're
going
to
have
to
increase
the
staffing
there
because
we
have
to
meet
these
these
deadlines.
I
You
know
just
it's
part
of
that,
but
again
by
having
to
report
to
two
different
entities,
obviously
that
that's
creating
a
workload
that
it's
going
to
fall.
Unfortunately,
you
know
you
know
squarely
on
internal
affairs,
so
we
are
looking
at
that.
I
don't
have
an
answer
exactly
how
many
right
now,
but
you
know,
obviously,
we've
been
talking
to
the
superintendent
dawn
and
debbie
kristin
about
that,
and
you
know
that
something
is
at
a
point
what
we're
going
to
have
to
face
in
you.
K
Okay
on
you
know,
as
you
know,
the
boston
police.
We
have
our
academy
classes.
We,
our
training,
goes
like
about
1100
hours
in
the
mptc.
They
only
a
lot,
they
only
add
for
800
hours,
so
our
offices
are
obviously
more
trained
than
even
the
rest
of
the
offices
in
the
rest
of
the
state.
But
with
that
said,
with
the
new
guidelines
with
the
mpdc,
we're
going
to
have
in-service
training
will
be
40
hours
every
week,
which
we're
already
working
on
starting
july.
K
1St
we'll
have
we
have
it
all
up
and
we'll
have
it
all
up
and
running
and
they're
going
to
have
mptc
has
24
hours
that
they're
going
to
want
us
all.
The
officers
in
the
department
to
vote
for
and
those
are
responding
to
mental
health
emergencies,
desk,
de-escalation
and
use
of
force,
cultural
competency
and
mass
gathering
human
trafficking
officer,
mental
wellness,
suicide
prevention,
critical
incident,
stress
management
and
legal
updates.
But
out
of
these
we
we
have
our
own
e-learning
that
we've
been
doing
yearly
anyways.
K
Almost
all
of
this
is
covered,
and
this
is
all
online
and
then
they're
going
to
have
to
come
to
the
academy
for
eight
hours
of
able
training,
which
is
active
bystandership
for
law
enforcement's,
which
is
and
fip
training,
fear
and
impartial,
policing
and
then
with
the
range
so
we're
ready
to
roll
with
all
our
with
our
new
training.
That's
involved
in
this
with
the
post.
F
Oh,
I'm
very
confident
that
you're
ready
to
roll
I'm
concerned
about
the
the
number
of
officers
that
may
be
off
the
street
in
order
to
participate
in
this
training
and
the
training.
You
know
the
training
is
important
for
sure,
and
I
appreciate
and
recognize
that
we
do
most
of
this
training
already
on
our
own
and
there
may
be
a
few
added
requirements
because
of
the
state.
The
state
reform,
I'm
most
concerned
about
what
implications
it
may
have
for
coverage
day-to-day
in
any
one
of
our
districts
or
through
our
specialized
units.
Well,.
K
K
Shift
we
I
I
don't
think
we've
worked
all
that
out
yet,
but
most
of
it
it's
it's,
it's
set
up
and
blocked.
So
it's
different
increments
and
they're
gonna
you're
gonna
have
so
much
time
like
we'll
say,
like
30
days,
to
get
the
24
hours
in
so
whatever
way
we
can
work
it
out.
I'm
not
sure
if
we're
going
to
do
it
on
overtime
yet,
but
I
I
don't
think
it
will
be.
F
F
I
do
worry
about
the
implications
it
has
for
coverage
on
our
you
know,
thinking
about
our
public
facing
and
the
responsiveness
of
the
police
department
due
to
pulling
some
of
the
men
and
women
of
bpd
from
their
regular
shifts
into
this
training,
just
want
to
make
sure
that
we've
got
a
plan
in
place
to
to
do
it
all
and
do
it
all
so
that
it
does
not
interfere
with
the
ability
to
serve
the
residents
of
the
city
of
boston.
I
thank
you,
madam
chair,
and
I
do
have
questions
for
the
next
round.
A
S
Thank
you,
council
book
and
thank
you
to
commissioner
long
and
the
men
and
women
of
the
boston
police
that
are
that
are
also
here
with
us.
One
of
my
top
priorities
is,
has
been
discussed,
but
is
the
the
impact
covet
had
on
the
police
officers
that
were
second
out
of
work
because
of
it?
But,
commissioner,
commissioner
long
my
my
priority
is,
is
how
is
their
health
and
how
is
the
health
of
their
family?
You
know.
That's
also.
S
An
important
part
of
this
is
making
sure
that
our
offices
are
healthy
and
they
health
and
wellness
and
they
get
the
medical
care
and
the
professional
professional
aftercare
as
well.
That's
that's
a
that's
a
concern
that
I
I
haven't
heard
recently,
but
I
just
want
to
see
how
how
are
the
offices
doing,
but
also,
how
are
their
families
doing?
How
are
their
spouses
doing.
I
That's
great
so
obviously
counseling,
you
know
we
talked
about
it.
You
know
covet,
has
had
a
huge
impact
on
this
department
in
a
ton
of
different
ways,
and
emotionally
is
one
of
them.
You
know,
as
superintendent
hassan
you
know
mentioned
before
you
know,
we
did
have
an
officer
died
so
fontenaz.
Unfortunately,
it
was
a
huge
loss
for
the
department.
It
obviously
affected
a
lot
of
different
offices
in
his
family.
I
We
have
had
multiple
other
offices
that
you
know
by
no
other
reason
other
than
a
miracle
survived
that
and
they
too
them
in
their
families
psychologically
have
gone
through
a
lot.
The
best
way
to
answer
that
is,
you
know
our
peer
support
unit
does
a
tremendous
job
reaching
out
to
these
officers
staying
in
touch
with
them
and
their
families.
You
know
and
trying
to
get
them
the
sport
that
they
need.
I
You
know
you
know,
obviously
there's
a
lot
that
goes
on
that,
especially
these
offices
that
were
that
sick,
and
you
know
you
know,
they'll
get
sick,
that
they
almost
died,
psychologically
them
and
their
families
that
that's
a
huge
burden
and
then
you've
had
other
officers
that
were
extremely
sick
and
again
the
mental
anguish.
You
know
the
stress
about
whether
they're
going
to
give
that
to
the
families,
but
I
guess
my
answer
is
a
peer
support
unit
is
the
primary
component
that
deals
with
our
offices.
They
do
they
do
a
really
good
job.
S
That
response,
that's
an
important
comments
that
you
made,
and
you
know
just
as
a
way
of
background
after
spending
25
years
in
the
military
and
having
a
couple
deployments,
you
know
when
you
you
people
need
their
time
off
if
they're
exposed
to
you
know
if
they're
hurt
or
if
they're
injured,
I
was
exposed
to
a
part
of
a
gulf
war
registry.
I
was
exposed
to
different
things,
but
I
if
for
me
it's
not
rushing
people
back
to
work.
S
S
S
You
know
I.
I
think
we
need
to
hire
several
hundred
police
officers
every
year
for
the
next
five
to
seven
years
to
stay.
On
top
of
this,
I
I
go
to
community
meetings
every
single
night,
I'm
in
the
neighborhood
every
single
night.
I
don't.
I
don't
take
a
day
off
and
residents
ask
me
they
say
council
fund.
S
S
I
Yeah,
you
know
you
know
counseling
again
next
year,
you
know
we
have
budgeted
for
two
classes
of
125,
but
but
I
I
I
agree
with
you
and
your
point.
I
think
that
has
to
be
maintained
over
several
years
to
be
able
to
make
up
the
difference
of
what
we're
gonna,
what
we're
seeing
and
then
you
know
the
retirements
that
we've
seen
in
the
pace
that
we've
seen
them
and
what
we
expect
in
the
future.
S
Yeah,
thank
you,
commissioner.
I
talked
to
captain
sweeney
and
captain
boyle
and
captain
seal
at
least
once
a
week
and
I'm
always
advocating
for
more
police.
In
my
district
and
they're
outstanding
police
captains.
You
know
how.
How
could
I
possibly
vote
to
decrease
a
a
budget
and
then,
on
the
other
hand,
you
know
ask
for
ask
for
more
police
in
my
in
in
my
district.
I
guess
I
guess
my
point
is
we
need
more
police.
S
I'd
love
to
see
the
bike
patrol
do
more
work,
more
outreach
in
in
the
city
and
just
the
problem
properties
that
we
also
have
on
loud
noises.
I
know
the
police
are
responding
to
a
lot
of
parties
as
well.
What's
our
strategy
with
with
dealing
with
loud
parties,
motorbikes,
these
quality
of
life
issues
are,
are
critical.
I
You
know
I
I
think
you
know,
I
know
the
topic
that's
been
brought
up.
You
know
these.
You
know
dirt
bikes,
atvs
that
we're
seeing
around
the
city.
You
know
it's
proven
effective
in
the
past.
Is
you
know
it's
kind
of
it's
a
it's
a
a
log,
a
long-term
approach
to
it
that
our
auto
theft
unit
does
a
good
job
of
that
methodically
they
investigate
and
they
were
able
to.
I
You
know
confiscate
a
lot
of
those
turret
bikes
and
tvs
that
are
either
unregistered,
clearly
shouldn't
be
on
the
city
streets
and
I
think
in
the
past,
you've
seen
it
and
they're
continuing
to
do
that.
Work
they're
out
there
like
every
day
through
the
weekend.
You
know
they've
done
a
very
good
job
of
over
time,
mitigating
the
amount
of
of
turret,
bikes
and
atvs
that
you
see
out
there
through
our
through
our
media.
You
know
bpd
news.
We've
also
put
it
on
a
couple
different
times:
we're
asking
the
community.
I
If
you
know
they
know
where
these
illegal
bikes
are
being
stored,
they
call
our
tip
line
and
then
you
know
we
can
use
ordinances
in
order
to
confiscate
them,
and
I
think
that
you
know
has
a
serious
effect
on
it.
You
know
last
year
alone,
I
know
sergeant
detective
hub
freeze.
He
testified
in
the
you
know,
meeting
last
week
that
you
know
his
unit
wrote
over
3
000
citations
and
that
wasn't
all
traffic
stops
and
he
talked
to
them.
He
there
was
different
violations,
he
mailed
in
a
lot
of
the
citations.
I
So
there
wasn't
a
lot
of
confrontation
and
that
really,
you
know,
had
an
impact
on
on
that
activity
and
I
think
you're
gonna
see
that
you
know
you're
gonna
see
it
decrease
when
we
keep
increasing
some
of
the
strategies
that
we
that
we
now
implement.
You
know
up
in
that
area.
Specifically,
you
know
like
last
year
you
know
franklin
park
in
franklin
field,
american
legion
highway.
You
know
I
I
you
know.
I
I
can't
say
enough
about
you
know
the
opposite:
the
b2
b3,
the
captain
and
deputy
cologne
for
the
work
that
they
did
there.
You
know
you
know,
police
presence,
you
know
combined
with
with
what
time
detective
humphreys
did
it
made
an
impact.
I
think
he'll
see
that
again
going
forward.
You
know,
I
know
large
parties
are
another
problem.
You
know,
and
I
think
you
know-
maybe
increasing
the
fines.
You
know.
Typically
it's
with
the
owner
of
of
these
houses
and
they're
the
ones
that
get
hit
in
the
pocket.
I
Typically,
that's
when
you
know
you
start
seeing
a
change
in
behavior,
but
I
think
you
know
the
police.
You
know
we
show
up.
You
know.
Obviously
you
know
we're
trying
to
knock
a
lot
of
these
house
bodies.
We
go
through
throughout
the
city,
it
doesn't
matter
where
I
mean
you.
You've
dealt
with
a
lot
of
people
and
you
know
sometimes
it's
a
very
vulnerable
situation.
I
S
D
D
D
D
I'm
also
curious
boston
saw
a
rise
in
homicide
rates
in
2020
and
boston
has
the
largest
gap
of
unsolved
homicides
between
white
and
black
victims.
What
is
being
done
to
actually
address
this
and
what
will
be
the
return
on
investment
if
year
and
year,
if
year
after
year,
these
homicides
are
still
being
unsolved?
So
I'm
just
curious
about
what
the
return
of
investment
looks
like
and
what
are
we
actually
doing
around
this
issue?
D
D
Then
I
do
have
a
question
around:
can
we
get
a
dollar
amount
of
how
many
funding
is
specifically
going
to
break?
How
much
of
that
funding
is
going
towards
that
versus
general
intelligence
quote
unquote
and
analysis
funding
I'd
like
to
know
how
many
officers
are
currently
currently
sit
on
the
federal
task
forces
and
one
of
those
task
forces.
D
The
bpd
sends
out
a
new
transgender
policy
with
some
new
guidelines
for
how
to
treat
trans
and
gender
non-conforming
individuals.
It
says
that
the
trans
people
need
to
be
placed
in
holding
cells
that
best
align
with
their
gender
gender
identity
to
the
best
extent
possible,
and
my
question
is
what
does
the
to
the
extent
possible
actually
mean?
Can
you
guarantee
that
all
trans
individuals
will
be
placed
in
cells
that
align
with
their
gender
identity?
I
Well
I'll
try
to
try
to
answer
the
first
couple
counselor
and
then,
if
you
could
probably
some
other
individuals
on
this
could
enter
it
as
far
as
you
know
what
we're
doing
as
far
as
auditing
our
offices,
you
know
what
what
I
can
say
is
you
know
when
officers
you
know
every
you
know
to
get
on
the
job.
Recruit
investigations
does
a
robust
vetting
process
on
each
individual,
individual
officer.
By
that
you
know.
Obviously
they
you
know
they
interview
the
candidate
themselves.
I
Neighbors
family
co-workers,
schools
that
they've
gone
to
to
try
to
get.
You
know
a
kind
of
a
full
picture
character
picture
of
who
that
individual
is
that
being
said,
like
every
profession,
I
don't
think
we
can
predict
what
someone
may
or
may
not
do
when
they
get
on
the
you
know
later
on
when
they're
on
the
job.
You
know
that's
in
in
their
personal
life,
but
what
I
can
say
is
you
know,
you
know
an
officer
does
get
themselves
in
trouble.
I
We
do
get
information
on
that
than
from
a
deposit.
Then
you
know,
obviously
you
know
we'll
investigate
it
fully
in
terms
of
homicides.
You
know
having
been
in
the
homicide
unit
myself,
I
can
tell
you
that
every
homicide
isn't
is
investigated
the
same
exact
way.
They
are
all
provided
the
same
amount
of
resources.
How
you,
how
a
case
is
solved
is
dependent
upon
many
factors.
You
know
a
couple
of
different
factors.
Are
you
know
where
it
took
place
inside
outside?
I
Was
it
close
contact,
the
physical
evidence,
biological
evidence,
forensic
evidence
that
you
have
you
don't
have?
Most
importantly,
you
know
witness
testimony
is
key
also.
So
I
I
can
say
every
case
is
given
the
same
amount
of
attention,
no
matter
what
the
skin
color
they're,
just
on
varying
factors
that
come
into
play.
I
think
you
asked
all
the
fios.
I
think
you
were
asking
questions
about
the
percentages
now
for
the
fios.
I
I
That
was
sixty-two
percent.
They
were
fio,
but
I
think
then
you
you
broke
it
down
within
then
how
many
of
them
were
were
frisked
62
that
comprised
the
total
number
of
fios,
but
then
within
the
62
percent,
was
how
many
were
how
many
were
frisked,
comparing
black
and
white,
but
62
percent
correct.
That
was.
That
was
the
total
number
which
you
know
I
might
add
in
the
fios
themselves.
You
know
they've
had
an
81.6
decrease
since
2008
and
it
was
a
29
decrease
in
2020
compared
to
2019.
D
So
that
means
that
more
black
people
were
stopped
and
frisk
compared
to
white
people.
So
I'm
hearing
that
right,
that's
correct,
and
so
I
see
the
gavel,
counselor
bach
and
I'm
sorry,
but
I
just
feel
like
there's
still
some
questions
that
from
my
first
round
that
have
yet
to
be
addressed.
So
can
can
we
just
at
least
get
one
more,
please
all
right?
D
The
bpd
sent
out
a
new
transgender
policy
with
some
new
guidelines
for
how
to
treat
transgender
and
non-conforming
individuals,
and
the
question
says
that
you
would
do
so
to
the
best
the
best
extent
possible,
and
I'm
just
curious.
What
the
does
that
mean.
And
can
you
guarantee
that
all
trans
individuals
will
be
placed
in
cells
that
align
with
their
gender
identity?.
I
D
B
Madame
chair,
thank
you.
Those
presents
today
for
these
questions.
I'm
going
to
jump
right
into
them
to
try
and
keep
the
time
there,
but
before
I
do
just
one
last
thing
on
that
final
questioning
there
there's
a
lot
to
be
made
about
black
and
white
stocks
on
the
fios,
but
just
to
be
clear,
included
in
the
white
characterization
there
in
terms
of
the
black
white
numbers.
That
also
includes
people
who
are
latino,
for
instance,
latino
hispanic
descent
in
the
white.
B
One
so
the
fio
data
that
you
released
yeah.
It
has
two
categorizations
black
and
white
60,
something
percent
black
30,
something
white
right
in
that
white
number,
because
I
think
most
people
assume
white
and
then
they
don't
think
about
the
ethnicity
that
comes
with
that
in
that
white
percentage
of
30,
something
percent,
that's
actually
where
white
hispanic
origin
descent
is
correct.
I
B
No
you're
you're
you're,
not
hearing
me
correctly.
You
have
two
separate
things,
so
you
have
black
and
white
just
the
race,
because
those
are
racist
and
then
underneath
that
you
have
something
else
that
breaks
into
the
ethnicity
which
is
included
in
that
white
percentage.
Is
the
latino
ethnicity,
correct.
I
B
So
when
you
fill
out
a
census,
for
instance,
I
would
be
white,
latino,
okay,
and
so
what
my
understanding
is
of
those
numbers
is
actually,
if
you
include
it
to
black
indigenous
people
of
color,
who
are
latino
descent,
but
would
be
categorized
as
white
in
terms
of
their
race.
They're
actually
included
in
that
30
percent
correct,
so
that
30
is
not
just
straight
white
caucasian
european
descent.
Correct
yeah,.
B
B
E
E
G
That
3066
counselor
is
at
a
certain
point
in
time
when
they,
when
the
office
of
budget
demand
management
prepared
the
council
packed
it
for
you.
I
think
some
of
those
comes
whereas
of
january
first,
that
the
account
that
superintendent
hassan
is
providing
to
you
right
now
is,
as
of
april
april
28th,
I
believe,
2021,
so
that
might
be
the
the
delta
between
the
3000
and
283.
B
All
right
great
and
then
in
that
there's
2148,
some
of
those
are
academy,
so
we'll
skip
that
right
now,
2148
sworn
police
officers.
That
means-
and
you
can
correct
me
if
I'm
wrong
here.
Well,
let's
just
do
this-
the
easiest
way
possible
how
many
of
those
officers
are
assigned
strictly
to
districts
out
of
the
2148,
how
many
of
those
officers
are
assigned
strictly
to
the
districts.
P
B
P
B
P
B
A
A
N
Yep
all
right,
so
a
lot
of
what
I
had
has
been
asked
already,
so
I'm
trying
to
pick
through
my
questions
to
make
sure
I'm
clear
and
just
for
my
clarification
I
was
in
in
transit
when
opac
came
up,
we
understood
that
the
budgeting
and
the
infrastructure
is
not
with
bpd
right.
Okay,
thank
you
all
right.
Let's
take
this
off
now
I
had
a
quick
question
about.
I
saw
in
the
budget
million
dollars,
investment
for
racial
training
and
equity
training
as
part
of
the
task
force
recommendations
as
a
response.
E
E
E
N
I
Yeah,
I
I
think
I
think
what
that
is
when,
when
you
know
the
city,
the
old
cats
working
on
that
when
they
when
they
do
when
they
come
up
with
diversity,
inclusion,
equity
training
and
that's
what
it's
going
to
be
used
for-
and
you
know,
obviously
you
know
that'll
be
department
wide.
So
as
far
as
breaking
down
what
the
cost
will
be
at
this
this
this
time.
I
I
can't
give
that
to
you,
because
I
don't
have
you
know
what
the
training's.
I
N
It
would
be
really
helpful,
I
think,
to
for
us
to
be
able
to
explain
how
that
million
dollars
is
going
to
be
spent.
I
think
at
one
due
to
the
the
atmosphere
in
right
now
and
I
and
I
think
in
many
cases,
the
goal
of
bpd
to
continue
to
have
the
trust,
earn
the
trust
and
increase
the
trust
of
the
people
of
boston,
to
show
a
robust
excitement
and
plan
for
that
million
dollars
would
be
helpful.
N
E
N
A
A
Right
so
so
that's
when
the
sort
of
when
it's
due
by,
but
I
would
say,
councillor
edwards
that
to
your
point
I
mean
obviously
the
1.75
million
dollar
authorization
is
in
the
hhs
proposed
budget
that
we're
being
asked
to
vote
on.
So
I
think
it's
fair
that
the
council
wants
some
definition
of
this
program
before
the
end
of
june,
and
certainly
I
think,
it'll
come
up
in
our.
A
We
actually
added
the
office
of
hhs
to
the
explicitly
to
the
hearing
with
ems
and
bphc
because
of
this
additional
investment,
so
we'll
definitely
circle
back
to
them
on
it
too.
But
I
feel
like
if
there
are
questions
related
to
the
police
department,
collaboration
that
you
want
to
ask.
You
should
feel
free.
N
Whatever
comes
this
line
item
and
this
funding
specifically
to
kind
of
do
something
else,
I
I
like
it
does
it
mean
that
the
legislation
isn't
warranted?
Does
it
mean
that
we're
starting
something
new?
What
does
it
do
would
be
helpful
to
help
inform
potential
legislation
that
we're
looking
at
so
that
the
details
of
these
things
and-
and
I
think
for
for
those
of
us
who
are
trying
and
working
and
building
bridges,
which
it's
all
my
all
of
my
colleagues,
I'm
not
trying
to
separate
my
colleagues
these.
N
These
points
when,
when
we
are
when
bpd,
is
particularly
criticized
on
race,
on
over
reaction
on
all
of
these
different
things-
and
here
comes
these
line
items
that
are
supposedly
dealing
with
the
training
and
race
dealing
with
alternative
forms
of
dealing
with
all
of
those
those
things
when
these
happen-
and
we
don't
have
the
details
to
bring
back
to
our
community,
it's
harder,
it's
hard
to
say,
vpd
is
committed
to
that.
I.
C
N
Up
but
you
let
some
people
go
a
little
bit
over
council
or
buck,
so
I
just
want
that
to
be
clear.
This
is
your
time
to
shine.
This
is
your
time
to
break
it
down
like
how
how
committed
you
are
and
how
you
vision,
a
more
racially
equitable
and
what
the
training
would
look
like
and
that
you're
excited
about
those
things.
This
is
this.
N
J
J
I
Some
of
the
things
that
we've
already
done,
okay,
in
terms
of
that
money,
you
know
in
formulating
training,
we'll
work
with
the
mayor's
equity
office.
So
some
of
that
training
again,
like
I
said
I,
I
can't
answer
your
question
in
terms
of
that
money
and
what
it's
going
to
go
to
at
this
moment,
I
mean
I
can
list
off
all
the
things
that
we've
done
in
terms
of
police
reform,
but
I
don't
think
there's
anybody
taking
it
as
serious
as
we
are
right.
I
N
N
I
have
been
asked
on
publicly
this
question
and
I
didn't
have
an
answer
to
it
and
it
was
specifically
about
whether
I
think
it's
sergeant
clifton
mchale
mchale
was
back
working
in
in
the
field
back
working
for
bpd
and
I
didn't
have
an
answer.
This
isn't
browdy.
So
I'm
asking
this
question:
where
is
he
currently
right
now?
What's
he
working
doing
for
bpd?
If
he's,
if
he's
working
this,
I
understand
he
was
well
caught.
E
A
J
B
A
B
Okay,
thank
you.
Thank
you,
madam
chair,
and
thank
everybody
for
their
time.
I'm
sorry
that
I'm
bouncing
around
here.
I
would
like
to
reiterate
a
little
bit
of
what
counselors,
flaherty
and
flynn
were
saying.
I
think,
if
we're
going
to
talk
about
overtime
honestly,
we
need
to
talk
about
adding
200,
300,
potentially
400
police
officers,
and
also
what
I'd
like
to
what
I'd
like
to
get
a
sense
of.
I
Ikanta,
you
know,
I
I
think
you
know
I'd
say
a
couple
hundred
more
than
we
have
right
now:
yeah
yeah.
I
think
that
was
about
a
year
a
year
and
a
half
ago.
I
think
we
were
over
2300
at
that
point,
but
you
know,
like
we
talked
about
earlier
in
this
in
this
hearing,
that
you
know
the
retirements
are
continuing
and
we
expect
a
lot
more
in
the
future.
So
again
you
know
to
be
able
to
keep
up
with
that.
B
E
I
don't
know
so
generally
counselor,
so
we
currently
put
in
the
last
two
classes
we
put
in
110
each
and
I
think
this
class
we're
going
to
have
93
graduate
and
I
think
it
was
a
similar
number
on
the
other
class.
So
that's
about
a
17
number
dropout
rate
on
that.
So
if
we
bring
that
up
to
125,
so
maybe
we
could
get
maybe
105
out
of
that
125.
B
Okay,
okay,
we
can,
we
can
move
on
from
there
can
can.
Can
I
have
one
of
the
biggest
things
that
I
see
in
the
future
of
boston
is
the
disaster
that
we
call
mass
and
cass
right
now
I
don't
think
someone
that's
been
dealing
with
them
for
my
entire
time
on
the
council.
Here
I
totally
feel
like
I'm
on
a
treadmill.
I
don't
feel
like
anything,
is
happening
at
all
and
that's
not
no,
no,
no
bad
words
against
the
police
department.
I
just
don't.
B
I
see
it
all
just
getting
worse
and-
and
we
were,
I
think,
making
some
moves-
some
some
good
strides-
maybe
probably
pre-code,
but
everything
seems
to
be
pre-culver,
but
we
had
the
encampment
policy
that
were
that
we're
following
through
that
peter
peter
messina
was
was
working
on,
but
it
doesn't
seem,
I'm
not
sure
we're
doing
that
anymore.
So,
can
we
talk
about
peter's
group
a
little
bit
how
many?
B
R
B
R
B
R
R
The
jury
section
of
mass
and
cass
is
three-quarter
mile
radius
from
the
intersection
of
mass
and
melania
that
encompasses
lower
rocks
very
south
end
along
with
south
bay
mall
in
different
parts
of
of
c6.
So
that's
our
primary
location
so
every
day
we're
down
there
every
morning
and
every
evening
dealing
with
individuals
doing
outreach
to
individuals
in
encampments,
whether
it
be
in
the
new
market
square
area
or
the
clifford
park
area
and
accuracy
street.
R
R
B
Okay,
I
had
a
large
property
owner,
call
me
and
make
an
offer
to
to
the
police
department
about
about
some
place.
You
guys
can
go
into
an
office
and
mike
and
what
I'd
like
to
see
someone
had
talked
earlier
about,
and
I
think
it
was
you
peter
what
separating
out
calls
knowing
when
they're
gonna
need
to
be
co-handled.
B
I
don't
know
if
the
where
to
use
code
co-response,
so
so
that
co-response
that
we
have
you
know
mental
heal
health
care
professionals
paired
on
with
police,
I'm
assuming
that
100
of
that
is
going
to
be
going
through
your
unit
or
or
that
second
part
it's
it's
best
team,
clinicians
or
whoever
they
are
for
clinicians,
with
a
police
officer
from
from
europe
from
your
squad.
No.
R
So,
ideally,
how
it's
going
to
work
is
all
these
offices
to
be
too
assigned
so
pretty
much?
Every
district
is
going
to
either
have
one
or
two
offices
assigned
to
that
district.
My
unit
will
handle
the
higher
level
calls
to
service.
So
if
we
have
significant
events,
I
mean
there's
different
events
that
happen
throughout
the
city,
we're
all
aware
of
it.
They're
all
media,
where
the
events
they've
had
for
the
past
10
years.
My
officers
will
be
the
ones
working
with
those
individuals,
hopefully
prior
to
the
event
happening.
R
B
So
I
mean
I
would
I
would
advocate
just
looking
at
this
if
this
is
the
way
we're
going
to
potentially
look
at
policing
moving
forward,
why
aren't
we
looking
at-
and
this
is-
this
is
more
suggestion.
Why
aren't
we
looking
at
the
outreach
team,
your
team,
in
the
same
way,
that
we
look
at
the
gang
the
gang
unit
or
the
drug
squad,
and
you
know
expanding
expanding
your
role?
Expanding
your
people,
give
you
a
place,
give
you
a
place
to
set
up
shop.
B
I
mean
it's,
maybe
we'll
turn
that
to
to
the
the
commissioner,
commissioner,
would
that
be
something
that
we
could
have
a
discussion
on
moving
forward,
because
that's
going
to
be
my
my
ask
in
the
budget.
Is
let's
beef
up
this
outreach
team
as
much
as
we
possibly
can,
because
I-
because
I
think
I
I
know
I
need
to
help
down
a
massive
cass.
It's
it's
getting
getting
out
of
control.
Is
that
something
that
that
that
brass
would
be
open
to.
I
The
council,
you
know
absolutely
you
know,
everything's
open
for
discussion.
I
do
want
to
see
you
know.
Obviously
the
street
outreach
team
was
beefed
up
in
the
last
couple
of
months,
so
we
did
a
comment.
You
know
obviously
recognizes
its
importance
and
how
valuable
they
are.
So
we
we
did.
We
have
already
added
resources
here
but
yeah
in
terms
of
discussion
of
expanding
it.
Yeah
absolutely
we'd
be
willing
to
talk
about
that
right.
B
Yeah
I'd
like
to
do
that
and
kenzie.
Let
me
just
ask
one
more
thing
about
about
encampment
protocol
peter.
Are
we
still
doing
the
encampment
protocol
or
has
that
been
taken
away
from
us,
and
we
just
explained
what
that
is?
There's
a
guy.
He
looks
like
he's.
He
must
be
holding
the
events
down
to
mass
and
cass,
because
he's
got
like
a
15
person
tent
set
up
right
on
the
street
there.
R
All
right
with
that,
yes,
we
are
still
doing
that,
but
the
72
hour
protocol,
the
boston
police
department's
no
longer
the
lead
on
dealing
with
encampments,
with
third
tier
in
a
four-tier
system.
So
initially
the
call
or
311
complaint
comes
in
for
an
encampment
that
encampment
that
is
visited
by
the
office
of
recovery
services.
R
They
offer
treatment
and
services
at
that
point,
we'll
be
sending
pine
street
down
there
as
well,
but
initially,
I'm
sorry
going
back
to
this
really
quick
office
of
recovery
services
and
the
ine
team
to
basically
post
and
notice
the
encampment
they
have
72
hours
to
leave.
That
cam
is
revisited
again
by
officer
recovery
services,
along
with
my
team,
to
offer
outreach
as
a
second
tier
third
tier.
R
It's
met
with
us,
providing
final
notice
that
they
can
no
longer
stay
at
this
location
and
the
fourth
tier
is
actual
removal
more
times
than
not
after
the
third
tier
after
my
team
is
involved,
the
individuals
pack
up
and
they
leave
the
area.
But
the
problem
I
have
is
a
lot
of
these
individuals
that
chronically
homeless
they
step
back
up
again
in
the
simulated
areas.
So
we're
dealing
with
the
same
people
over
and
over
and
over
again.
L
Thank
you,
madam
chair.
Thank
you,
everyone
for,
for
taking
the
time
to
be
here.
I
just
I
have
a
two
quick
follow-ups
and
then
hopefully
just
two
new
ones,
so
just
going
back
to
what
was
discussed
at
the
very
beginning
of
the
hearing
when
it
comes
to
vaccination
so
just
to
to
understand
what
what
percentage
of
bpd
officers
or
sort
of
employees
overall
are
vaccinated.
At
this
point.
L
Thank
you.
I
did.
I
did
hear
that
earlier,
and
so
I
was
just
wondering
if
there's
a
follow-up,
where
is
it
possible
just
even
to
start
by
asking
everyone
else
or
everyone
across
the
board
to
report
if
they
have
been
vaccinated
just
so,
we
have
a
clear
understanding
of.
Does
that
boost
it
to
80?
Does
that
boost
it
to
60,
as
as
we're
thinking
about
policies
for
for
the
city
and
particularly
for
first
responders.
L
Us,
okay,
I
will
follow
up
on
that
separately,
but
that's
interesting
to
note,
okay
and
then
just
following
up
on
counselor
baker's
questions,
particularly
when
it
comes
to
the
co-response
and
thinking
about
the
new
pilot
that
was
announced
in
this
budget
cycle
for
non-filing
crisis
response.
What
will
be
bpd's
role
in
that?
I
know
you
know
hhs
and
health
commission
will
likely
be
very,
very
involved.
Is
there
a
piece
about
training,
the
initial
9-1-1
operators
to
you
know
how?
E
L
Got
it
and
then,
in
terms
of
just
the
the
data
from
the
911
calls
that
have
been
coming
in
and
those
that
have
been
sort
of
categorized
as
medical
incidents?
Could
you
share
some
data?
You
know
it
doesn't
have
to
be
right,
the
second
or,
if
you
have
it,
that'd,
be
great,
but
even
following
up
on
what
percentage
of
these
led
to
hospitalizations
or
different
outcomes.
I
L
Okay,
I
appreciate
that,
thank
you
and
then
my
my
last
batch
of
questions
is
just
thinking
about
personnel
and
staffing
and
particularly
more
administrative
work.
So
I'm
curious
to
to
see
if
you
had
do,
you
have
numbers
on
how
many
sworn
personnel
are
working
on
the
detail
desk
or
time
and
attendance
desk
or
other
kind
of
more
administrative
functions.
L
And,
and
so
these
are
roles
that
are
full-time
on
this,
you
know
managing
the
detail,
assignments
or
keeping
track
of
time,
or
are
there
some
places
where
folks
get
pulled
into
you
know
what
one
might
think
of
as
more
traditional,
you
know,
beat
work
or,
or
is
it?
Is
it
mostly
administrative
throughout
that
full-time.
E
L
E
So
there
are
I'm
not
that
not
off
the
top
of
my
head,
but
there
are
some
that
aren't
contractually
obligated,
like
the,
for
instance,
the
evidence
unit.
So
we
have,
but
you
know,
but
you
need
police
officers
down
there
because
they
handle
a
drug
evidence
or
firearms.
But
those
aren't
so
beyond
that.
E
I
don't
know
if
it
would
be
contractually
obligated,
there's
a
couple
other
instances
extremely
beneficial
at
their
offices,
but
not
necessarily
contractually
obligated,
which
is
you
know
the
like
the
isg
or
something
like
that
because
they
get
out
there
and
work
with
the
officers
and
developing
technologies
that
they
find
beneficial.
So
there's
no,
but
there's
not
like
a
couple
there,
not
not
a
lot
of
different
a
lot
of
movement
there.
So.
L
A
Thank
you,
counselor
wu.
I
so
in
a
moment
we're
gonna
we'll
do
I'm
gonna,
do
my
questions
and
we'll
do
the
next
round,
but
because
we've
passed
the
two
hour
mark,
I
am
gonna.
Take
the
first
three
people
on
my
public
testimony
list,
because
I've
got
quite
a
long
public
testimony
list
and
we're
keeping
a
number
of
these
folks
waiting
a
long
time.
So
I'm
gonna
take
three
public
testimony
before
I
do.
A
A
And
then
I,
our
fy
21
and
22,
requests
for
information
that
we
got
from.
You
have
a
different
number
of
officers
out
on
paid
administrative
leave
for
the
year
that
are
in
the
numbers
that
were
given
to
by
the
department
to
bu
researchers
recently,
and
so
that
discrepancy
was
brought
to
my
attention
and
I
just
would
love
to
understand
so
I
think
specifically
for
last
year,
it
said
nine
on
rfr
rrfi
and
I
think
it
says
like
21
in
the
bu
data,
but
would
just
love
to
understand.
A
What's
going
on
there
and
then
the
third
thing
is
swinging
back
to
this
question
about
the
alternative
response.
I
understand
that
the
design
is
very
much
up
in
the
air.
I
certainly
hope
that
in
that
90
to
120
days,
there's
going
to
be
serious
consultation
with
community
groups
and
others
outside
of
that
immediate
circle,
and
we
in
my
office
have
done
a
bunch
of
research
into
what's
going
on
in
other
cities
and
how
to
think
about
it.
A
So
I
have
a
bunch
of
questions
that
I'm
happy
to
defer
to
hhs,
but
I
want
to
ask
specifically
about
dispatch
because
it
seems
when
we
talk
to
some
of
the
other
cities
that
the
structure
of
our
dispatch
may
affect,
how
easy
or
hard
it
is
to
integrate
an
alternate
non-police
response
in
so
I
would
just
love
to
understand:
do
we
do
all
of
our
dispatch
in-house
is
any
of
it.
Contracted
out?
A
Is
the
in-house
all
done
by
all
or
partly
or
not
at
all,
but
I
think
it
is
at
least
partly
done
by
foreign
officers,
because
it
seems
like
to
the
extent
that
our
dispatch
is
a
police
function
that
that's
gonna
have
to
be
integrated
with
the
department.
So
those
are
my
three
things.
I'd
love
to
understand.
A
After
I
take
just
these
first
three
public
testimony,
sort
of
the
nature
of
dispatch
and
what
involvement
we'd
have
to
have
in
that
alternate
response,
change
and
protocol
where
we
are
in
civilianization
and
what's
up
going
on
with
the
discrepancy
on
the
administrative
leave
numbers
between
nine
versus
21
for
the
last
year.
So
the
department
can
do
a
little
bit
of
research
on
that
I'll.
Just
take
the
first
three
folks
on
my
list
so
that
we
at
least
get
a
little
bit
of
public
voice
in
and
the
first
one
on.
A
My
list
is
fatima
ahmed
from
the
muslim
justice
league
and
then
it'll
be
lauren
and
then
dawn.
So
I'm
just
gonna,
let
you
all
in
and
to
counselors.
I
am
sorry
to
keep
you
waiting,
but
I
think
you
know
we're
keeping
we're
also
keeping
got
north
of
20
folks
here
waiting
as
well.
So
I
want
to
be
considered
on
both
sides.
Fatima
you're,
the
poor.
U
U
I
know
many
of
you
heard
from
me
last
year
and
last
time
around.
I
might
be
wondering
like
what
more
is
she
going
to
say
about
this,
and
yet
in
the
past
year
you
know
we've
seen
from
the
boston
police
department,
scandal
after
scandal
right
and
it's
not
just
the
usual
scandals
of
racial
disparities
in
stop
and
frisk
and
fios
and
the
gang
database.
U
It's
not
just
the
usual.
You
know,
monitoring
of
social
media
or
flying
drones
over
people's
neighborhoods,
but
we're
talking
about
you
know
leadership
of
the
boston
police
department
committing
you
know,
acts
of
violence,
violence
against
children,
specifically,
that's
not
the
only.
I
think,
allegation
that
has
come
out,
but
that
might
be
the
one
that
most
folks
know
about
and
also
being
protected
by
other
by
other
officers.
For
that
the
other
thing
that
has
changed
in
the
past
year
is
now.
We
have
so
so
much
more
community
engagement
in
the
budgeting
process.
U
U
You
know
we
want
to
see
a
hiring
freeze.
Why
are
we
even
considering
hiring
more
police
officers?
If
you,
you
know
just
think
about
the
racial
disparities
that
we're
talking
about
these
kinds
of
things
have
to
be
addressed
before
we
can
continue
to.
You
know,
expand
the
power
of
the
boston
police
department,
so
that,
I
think,
is
you
know
the
main
new
thing
that
you're
going
to
hear
from
me
and
many
other
folks
and
many
of
our
organizations
this
year.
V
V
Course,
oh
no,
I've
timed
myself
I'll,
be
quick!
Don't
worry
so
good
afternoon!
Everybody
and
thanks
so
much
for
the
invitation
to
contribute
today
again
two
hours
in.
Thank
you
so
much
to
fatima
and
others
at
njl
for
your
leadership
on
this
issue.
I'm
the
staff
technologist
at
east
leave
massachusetts,
and
today
I'm
here
to
keep
it.
You
know
simple
and
urged
the
council
to
reject
the
proposed
budget
that
mayor
janie
sent
down
because
of
its
unacceptable
allocation
to
the
bpd.
V
V
On
the
contrary,
in
many
years
as
you
can
see
here
in
2014,
2017
and
2020,
larger
forces
coincided
with
more
ot
spending,
and
so
we
have
no
reason
to
believe
that
hiring
more
police
officers
will
lead
to
less
ot
spending.
We
have,
you
know
just
as
much
reason
to
see
it
could
lead
to
greater
costs,
and,
additionally,
we
don't
understand
enough
about
how
staffing
is
currently
managed
to
make
any
sort
of
evidence-based
claims
about
how
adding
more
officers
might
affect
the
budget.
V
V
So
as
councillor
campbell
commented
about
an
hour
and
a
half
ago,
if
bpd
failed
to
actualize
a
12
million
overtime
cut
during
a
year
when
sports
stadiums
were
empty
and
most
events
went
virtual,
why
would
we
expect
them
to
actualize
a
22
million
cut
in
post-pandemic
boston,
so
relying
on
this
allocation
is
unrealistic
and
also
unserious.
As
long
as
this
loophole
exists,
all
other
city
initiatives
will
be
hampered
by
bpd
overspending
every
single
year
and
then,
thirdly,
and
most
importantly,
the
proposed
budget
completely
fails
to
divest
from
non-overtime
police
funding.
V
So
we
spent
a
lot
of
time
today
focusing
on
the
specifics
of
the
overtime
question.
But
if
we're
limiting
our
discussion
of
boston
police
budgeting
to
the
question
of
overtime,
we're
doing
the
city
of
boston
a
major
disservice
to
the
tune
of
355
million
dollars
allocated
for
non-overtime
spending,
which
is
largely
untouched
in
this
proposed
budget.
So
our
primary
concern
at
aclu
with
this
budget
is
that
it's
more
of
the
same
as
we
know,
budgets
are
moral
documents.
V
This
proposed
budget
does
not
reflect
any
effort
to
reduce
brick
funding,
move
towards
pay
equity
with
other
city
employees,
cut
spending
on
military
equipment,
civilianize
traffic
enforcement,
reduce
funds
to
the
gang
unit
or
any
other
recommendation
that
the
city
council
has
seen
from
advocates
and
community
groups
over
the
course
of
the
past
year
and
past
decades.
These
are
policy
changes
that
are
integral
to
any
meaningful
commitment
to
police,
reimagining
and
racial
justice
in
boston,
but
they're,
not
in
this
budget.
V
In
comments
to
the
press,
bbpa
president
larry
calderon
recently
lamented
that
police
are
being
asked
to
do
more
with
less
and
he's
right.
So
the
city
of
boston
should
ask
the
police
to
do
less
and
make
corresponding
budgetary
decisions
that
shift
responsibility
for
community
safety
and
well-being
away
from
police
and
towards
the
unfinished
initiative.
V
So
for
all
these
reasons,
and
others
acroom
joins
in
calling
for
the
council
to
reject
this
recommended
budget
and
instead
to
divest
substantially
from
policing
reinvest
in
boston's
communities
and
shrink
the
size
and
scope
of
policing
in
boston,
rather
than
expanding
both
of
those
things
with
new
hires.
So
thanks
very
much.
W
Hi
hi
everybody,
I'm
don.
Thank
you
for
having
us
today
and
letting
us
speak
early
after
two
hours
of
waiting.
I
appreciate
that,
but
my
name
is
don
young.
I
live
in
cambridge,
I'm
a
member
of
families
for
justice
as
healing
and
the
national
council
of
incarcerated
and
formerly
incarcerated
women
and
girls.
I
am
an
abolitionist
believing
police
are
never
the
answer
for
our
communities.
W
Bpd
has
impacted,
harmed
and
threatened
our
community
on
a
regular
basis.
My
three
black
sons
have
been
racially
profiled
all
too
often
under
the
disguise
of
training
and
experience
an
example.
My
my
a
black
father
is
outside
waiting
for
his
son
to
arrive
when
he
arrives,
they
exchange
hugs,
they
talk.
Maybe
money
is
transferred
police
see
this
and
they
approach
the
son
and
the
father
harassed
them
now.
They
have
to
explain
who
they
are
where
they
live
and
what
they're
doing
there?
This
almost
never
happens
in
another
neighborhood
in
other
communities.
W
W
Instead
of
continually
continuing
to
spend
public
monies
for
police
fifth
monies
back
into
our
communities
for
housing,
food
access,
arts,
recovery,
intervention
healing
and
let
it
be
run
by
black
and
brown
people
who
experience
the
harm
we
need
to
address
the
root
causes
of
violence.
Cops
cannot
do
this
with
the
racist
attitude
defunding,
the
police
means
reinvesting
into
our
communities.
W
Excuse
me
if
the
mayor's
office
does
not
agree
to
decrease,
shrink
spending
and
shrink
the
roles
and
responsibilities
of
the
ppd.
I
demand
the
city
council
to
vote
no
on
the
2022
budget.
I
do
have
a
few
questions,
but
everybody
answered
those
questions
already.
It
was
about.
You
know
the
cuts,
the
hiring
a
hiring
freeze.
Would
you
be
willing
to
do
that?
Do
you
want
to?
Could
you
like
maybe
have
a
cap
on
regular
overtime
in
just
overtime
pay
for
bpd
and
what
cuts
for
bpd
are
you
committed
to?
A
E
It
so
yeah
we
didn't
make
any
progress
because
those
positions
were
needed
to
continue
to
be
filled
because
of
the
civilian
workforce,
or
most
of
them
were
at
home
and
the
officers
needed
to
be
utilized
to
keep
the
plate
keep
moving.
So
we
weren't
able
to
look
at
any
any
of
those
positions
being
moved
at
that
time,
we're
hoping
in
the
future.
We
could
take
a
look
at
that
through
our
contract
negotiations
and
get
some
movement
there.
E
E
Maybe
they
gave
you
that
was
just
for
that
year,
not
cumulatively,
but
I
want
to
give
you
the
numbers,
the
actual
numbers,
so
fiscal
year
19,
you
were
15
fiscal
year
20
they
were
18
in
fiscal
year
21
there
were
six.
Some
of
those
people
have
returned
to
work,
some
are
retired,
but
we
currently
have
on
paid
admin
leave
17..
E
J
E
E
A
Okay,
all
right!
Well,
it's
helpful
to
understand
those
are
civilians,
taking
those
calls
right
now.
It
certainly
seems
to
me,
like
the
only
way
this
triage
is
really
going
to
send
things
to
an
alternative
as
if
it
comes
through
9-1-1.
I
just
think
it's
hard
to
get
the
public
to
learn.
Another
number.
R
R
R
Yep,
it's
a
1
800
1-800-981
help,
which
is
four
three
five,
seven,
the
last
four
digits
great
yeah,
that's
great,
and
just
to
note
this
alternative
response
model
that
that
we're
dealing
with
we
dealt
with
we're
meeting
weekly
on
it-
and
one
thing
that's
important
to
note-
is
that
the
all
the
players
now
are
about
two
weeks
ago,
we're
all
now
at
the
table,
and
these
players
consist
of
best
team
and
operations,
along
with
a
boston,
public,
health,
commission
and
varying
agencies
throughout
the
city.
Right
now,.
A
Great
no-
and
I
just
think
I
think
that
you
know
there's
a
lot
of
good
thinking
about
what
this
could
look
like,
that
a
bunch
of
people
in
the
city
have
been
doing,
including
on
the
on
the
community
side,
some
of
the
counselors
offices.
So
I
just
think
you
know
there
needs
to
be
some
opportunity
to
to
take
in
input
from
a
bunch
of
other
places
as
well
and.
R
A
And
just
on
the
paid
administrative
leave,
it's
on
slide.
Nine
of
the
request
for
information
that
the
response
of
the
department
sent
to
us
for
fy22
is
the
report
that
there
are
nine
officers
on
paid
administrative
leave
for
fy21
through
march.
So
I
don't
know
where
the
discrepancy
is
coming
from,
but
that's
something
that
I'm
getting
from
a
document
that
came
from
ural
department.
A
That'd
be
great
just
so
that
we
know
that
you
know,
because
obviously
we
count
on
that
stuff,
and
I
think
I
think
the
number
you
gave
me
was
consistent
with
the
one
that
that
the
bu
folks
have
gotten
through
their
request,
so
just
want
to
make
sure
that
we're
not
getting
at
cross
purposes
and
on
the
civilianization
again.
This
could
be
a
follow-up,
but
just
I
understand
not
making
like
you
have
made
progress
this
year,
really
understanding.
A
What's
the
proportion
of
these
require
contract
change?
Where
could
there
be
changes
from
a
management
side?
I
think
I
think
the
council
could
use
the
information
about
about
kind
of
where
that
all
stands
so
we'd
love
to
have
that
written
down.
I
am
going
to
go
next
to
back
to
counselors,
so
I
believe
first
up
is
counselor
candle.
M
I'll
be
quick,
counselor
bach,
just
frankly,
just
a
little
disappointed
because
we
we
sent,
I
don't
know
40
questions
or
something
like
that.
Clearly
we'd
be
here
all
night
long
if
we're
asking
going
through
each
one,
so
I'll
just
request
again
if
we
could
get
specific
require
responses
to
those
questions.
Many
came
from
the
folks
in
the
public
who
don't
have
the
opportunity
to
be
able
to
participate
in
these
council
hearings
in
the
middle
of
the
day.
M
M
If
we
could
add
that
I
think
it
was
in
there,
but
just
in
case
it
wasn't,
and
then
I'm
going
to
give
my
time
to
the
public
who's
clearly
waiting
to
testify,
but
I
can't
stress
it
enough:
every
it
seems
like
every
budget
cycle.
We
send
questions,
but
we
don't
necessarily
get
a
specific
response.
These
questions
aren't
just
you
know
me
sitting
in
a
room
creating
these
questions.
M
Many
of
them
come
from
folks
who
want
to
participate,
but
can't
in
some
it's
just
basic
information
that
they're
asking
for
and
then
I'll
give
my
time
to
the
public
who's
clearly
waiting.
Lastly,
I'll
just
flag,
harvard
kennedy
school
just
came
out
calling
for
applications.
I
think
funding
as
well
for
an
alternative,
9-1-1
response,
which
I
think
peter
and
his
incredible
team,
probably
aware
of,
but
I
just
wanted
to
flag
that
hoping,
of
course,
that
the
city
of
boston
applies.
Thank
you.
U
A
H
Thank
you,
madam
chair
and
I'll.
Do
the
same
I'll
be
brief,
so
the
public
can
testify
a
couple.
Things
just
was
curious
to
see
how
the
transition
to
the
new
records
management
system
is
going
and
also
maybe
get
a
sort
of
a
status
update
in
the
overall
condition
of
our
of
our
police
stations
in
our
equipment,
the
vehicles
etc.
So,
obviously
this
is
the
budget
time.
So
this
is
an
opportunity
for
our
police
to
let
us
know
what,
if
anything,
they
need
or
they're
lacking.
H
E
Yeah
yeah
so
councillor.
Thank
you
yeah.
The
rms
is,
you
know,
we're
still
working
out
some
of
the
issues
we're
trying
to
update
some
crash
reporting,
we're
trying
to
include
some
use
of
force
reporting
we're
gonna,
try
to
include
a
public-facing
dashboard
so
that
it
will
be
posted
on
the
bpd
news.
So
it's
actually
going
pretty
good.
You
know
all
the
little
obstacles
that
were
in
the
way
we've
managed
to
you
know
overcome
them.
E
E
H
Well,
I
would
argue
that
it's
antiquated
for
sure
and
has
been
now
for
probably
20
years.
So,
let's
put
our
head
together
and
let's
talk
about
a
capital
strategy
around
that
yeah,
that's
you
know.
We
obviously
want
to
make
sure
that
we
continue
to
to
maintain
level
of
high
level
of
standards
and
training.
It's
important
again.
That's
what
separates
our
department
from
other
departments.
It's
the
training,
it's
the
community
policing,
so
the
training
facility,
arguably,
is,
I
guess
I'll,
be
nice
and
say
antiquated.
E
H
E
No
they're
very
good.
We
have
a
very
qualified
staff
down
there.
There
were
all
ford
certified
and
which
is
unusual
for
police
departments.
He
was
the
first
one
in
the
in
the
country
to
go
that
route
and
since
then
other
police
departments
had
followed.
So
the
ford
actually
pays
us
to
up
keep
our
the
warranty
keeps
to
keep
our
vehicles
in
good
shape.
So
it
really
works
out.
Well.
F
Thank
you
again,
ma'am
chair
and
thank
you,
everyone
for
still
being
with
us
this
afternoon,
especially
those
waiting
for
public
testimony.
I
have,
over
the
past,
filed
a
hearing
order
regarding
the
crime
lab,
because
I
do
believe,
there's
a
incredible
opportunity
to
make
it
greater
and
it
I
believe
it
must
have
its
own
dedicated
space
to
really
get
the
work
done.
That
needs
to
happen
there.
F
There
was
a
study
done
many
years
ago
on
the
crime
lab,
and
I
see
that
now
there
is
this
plan
for
the
forensics
unit
facility
upgrade
to
renovate
some
of
the
interior
space.
I'm
curious.
If
anyone
could
share
some
additional
information
about
that
investment
and
that
expansion
and
can
we
you
know,
I
think
in
also
following
on
council
florida's
questions
around
the
academy.
E
Yes,
as
far
as
the
crime
lab
council,
so
we
are
about
to
start
renovating
the
old
day
care
center,
which
will
allow
us
to
relocate
our
occupational
health
and
some
of
the
a
couple
of
the
I
think
deputy
mercedes
unit,
along
with
superintendent
bastian,
can
put
some
people
there.
But
that's
gonna
open
a
space
on
the
on
the
third
floor
that
we're
gonna
try
to
repurpose
for
the
crime
lab,
so
we'll
give
them
some
much
needed
space
up.
There.
I
Council,
in
terms
of
the
academy,
you
know,
I
think
this
department
would
welcome
a
conversation
on
the
expansion
of
the
academy.
You
know
they
do
an
unbelievable
job
over
there.
You
know
they
have
renovated
that
and
got
every
usage
out
of
every
inch
over
there,
but
you
know
superintendent
carter.
Could
you
know
speak
to
this,
but
you
know
any
given
week:
there
are
multiple
trains
going
on
with
a
lot
of
different
people
in
and
out
of
there,
and
I
think
you
know,
with
police
reform
going
forward.
I
I
think
these
training
is
going
to
be
critical.
I
think
they're
only
going
to
increase,
but
I
just
don't
know
if
the
capacity
of
the
academy
the
way
it's
structured,
you
know,
if
that
that's
going
to
be,
you
know,
that'll
hold
up
over
time,
but
I
do
think
a
conversation
about
the
academy
would
be
welcome
and
to
your
point
about
you
know
the
crime
lab
the
frenzy
groups,
and
I
can't
say
enough
about
the
work
that
they're
doing
any
type
of
expansion
you
can
get
for
them.
I
F
Yeah,
I
think
that
you
know
there
has
been
in
the
past
to
study
study
done
around
some
potential
improvements
around
capital
investments
to
our
facilities,
so
I
think,
maybe
a
larger,
more
sort
of
coordinated
conversation
around
all
those
capital.
Improvements
could
be
needed,
and
I
know
that
you
know
peter
peter's
group,
deputy
messina's
group
needs
some
space.
I
know
superintendent
baston's
group
needs
some
space.
F
You
know,
especially
as
we
see
the
importance
of
of
doing,
I
think
additional
community
outreach
and
engaging
our
community
in
perhaps
a
an
even
more
more
creative
way
and
we
obviously
hold
sort
of
the
the
broad
you
know
the
gold,
if
not
platinum,
star
around
community
policing.
I
know
that
we're
the
leader
in
that,
but
we
contin.
We
need
to
continue
to
invest
resources
and
community
engagement.
I
see
that
deputy
mistina's
hand
is
up.
I
do
want
to
get
one
more
question
in
and
then
I'll
I'll
certainly
allow.
I
don't.
F
I
don't
want
to
see
that
gavel
go
up
before
I
get
my
next
question.
My
next
question:
oh
around
best
team.
Actually,
deputy
nucini
can
answer
this
too.
I'm
you
know,
I'm
a
big
proponent
of
best
and
the
co-responder
model
making
sure
that
we
have
clinicians
that
are
able
to
be
more
proactive
and
productive
around
the
high
utilizers
of
9-1-1,
and
also
engaging
with
ems
in
particular,
because
they
respond
to
almost
all
of
the
edp
calls.
F
So
they
it's
going
to
be
some
collaboration
in
that
space
too,
and
then
I
have
one
last
question
around
making
sure
that
our
first
responders
and
in
this
case
police,
have
access
to
high
quality,
mental
health
care
and
mental
health
services.
Especially
you
know,
as
the
work
can
become
much
more
traumatizing
and
impactful.
F
R
Oh
I'm
sorry.
We
are
applying
for
a
grant
for
officer
mental
health
wellness.
So
that's
that's
in
process.
Right
now.
Second
thing:
we
were
just
awarded
from
the
department
of
mental
health
a
grant
so
we
can
establish
our
own
cit
training,
crisis
intervention,
training
for
the
boston
police
department.
What
this
does
is
it's
huge
because
we're
now
able
to
train
our
officers
in-house
at
the
academy.
I
Of
that
type,
you
know
those
type
of
services.
You
know
our
peer
support
unit
does
a
great
job
with
that
you
know
again,
you
know
they're
always
looking
to
you
know,
get
funding.
As
deputy
messina
said,
you
know
to
increase
increase
the
services
that
we
provide,
because,
to
be
honest,
I
don't
think
we
can
ever
provide
enough
for
our
offices.
We
do
do
a
good
job
in
that.
But
again
I
you
know
a
conversation
about
expanding
that
in
into
a
funding,
it
was,
is
welcome.
I
S
Thank
you,
commissioner,
as
well,
commissioner,
one
of
the
issues
that
is
important
to
me,
because
it's
important
to
my
constituents,
especially
in
chinatown,
is
violence
against
the
asian
community,
is
something
I've
focused
on
in
the
last
three
years.
Can
you
tell
me
how
the
civil
rights
group
at
the
boston
police
is
responding
to
some
of
these?
You
know
some
of
these
issues,
whether
they're
happening
happening
in
greater
boston
or
or
throughout
the
country.
What
are
they,
what
are
they
experiencing
or
how's
that
outreach
to
the
community
going.
I
Y
So
there
has
been
with
you
know,
with
the
the
culvert
crisis,
there
has
been
an
increase
in
incidents
towards
you
know,
members
of
the
asian
community.
You
know
we
have
not
seen
the
the
level
of
of
violence
in
the
city
towards
members
of
the
community,
although
there
has
been,
you
know,
an
increase
in
the
number
of
incidents.
Y
You
know
those
incidents
we've
seen,
there's
been
a
which
on
a
few
occasions
they
have
been
criminal
in
nature.
Many
of
them
are
fallen
to
the
category
of
protected
speech.
So
it's
it's.
It's
hate
speech,
that's
being
directed
towards
members
of
the
community,
but
yet
that
speech
doesn't
rise,
necessarily
rise
to
the
level
of
a
crime.
Y
So
from
the
at
the
police
perspective,
we
can't,
you
know,
take
any
any
action
in
the
courts
against
these
individuals,
but
yet
you
know
we're
seeking
to
provide
services
to
the
members
of
the
community.
You
know
provide
assistance
where
we
can,
and
you
know
when
when
an
incident
does
arise,
you
know
the
districts
are
responding
immediately
to
it
and
then
they're
notifying
the
civil
rights
unit,
and
you
know,
and
they'll
conduct
an
immediate
and
thorough
investigation
to
determine
what
the
facts
of
of
it
are.
S
S
I
know
the
population
of
my
district
has
gone
up
significantly,
as
has
boston's
population,
but
is
there
an
opportunity,
you
know
long
term
to
have
a
police
presence
in
the
south,
boston,
waterfront
or
the
fort
point
area?
I
know
pre
pandemic.
The
the
the
number
of
minutes
it
took
for
first
responders
to
get
there
was
was
going,
was
increasing,
but
just
want
to
see
if
there's
an
opportunity
down
the
road
about
a
police
presence
in
the
selfie
waterfront
or
the
or
the
fort
point
area.
Maybe.
I
Yeah,
council,
you
know,
you
know
absolutely
you
know,
you
know,
you
know,
captain
boyle
does
a
great
job
down
there.
You
know
c6
itself
or
you
know,
for
a
bunch
of
different
reasons,
including
all
the
building.
That's
going
on
down
there
and
becoming
you
know,
heavily
populated.
It's
been
very
active
down
there.
You
know
the
waterfront.
I
Obviously
you
know
covet
kind
of
affected
that
a
little
bit
but
the
year
prior
to
that
is
extremely
busy
down
there.
You
know,
like
some
extra
resources,
you
know
captain
boyle
the
discussions
with
you
know
then
superintendent
ridge
and
I
know
he
discusses
it
with
with
superintendent
mcgoldrick
and
they're,
always
reevaluating
where
they
deploy.
But
I
know
that
is
a
discussion
and
yes,
you
know
there
will
be
a
presence
down
there,
and
you
know
there
is
a
discussion
on
on
increasing
our
presence
down.
That
way.
S
Thank
you
and
then
then,
my
my
final
question
is,
commissioner,
with
the
recent
census.
I
know
I
know
the
data
hasn't
been
released
yet,
but
certainly
the
the
population
has
increased,
but
will
will
will
the
boston
police
sometime
based
on
the
new
data?
Will
they
look
to
redraw
the
police
districts
to
to
keep
up
with
the
population
growth
in
certain
certain
areas.
I
You
know,
I
I
think
in
conversation
you
know
looking
out
here
like
it's
in
terms
of
reevaluating
our
staffing,
and
I
think
we
mentioned
it-
that
you
know
that
we're
you
know
soliciting
the
solicitation
of
an
outside
consultant
firm
to
kind
of
look
at
our
staffing
levels,
and
I
think
you
know
part
of
that
would
be
that
discussion
and
you
know
maybe
that's
what
comes
out
of
that,
that
you
know
consultation
and
analysis
of
about
obama.
But
you
know,
I
think
you
know
as
a
department.
S
Thank
you.
Thank
you,
commissioner.
My
final
comment-
I
know
I
mentioned
it
earlier,
but
having
a
healthy
police
officer
is
critical,
but
so
isn't
having
a
healthy
police,
their
family
as
well
their
spouse
as
well.
So
I
want
to
make
sure
that
we
provide
the
necessary
funding
and
in
care
for
the
health
and
wellness
program
for
the
police
officer
for
their
spouse
and
their
children.
S
So
I'm
going
to
take
another
look
at
the
budget
just
to
make
sure
that
we
have
that
necessary
funding
in
there,
because
that's
a
critical
part
of
being
an
effective
police
officer
is
having
having
a
family
that
supports
you
and
is
healthy
with
you
at
the
same
time.
So
I
want
to
say
thank
you
to
the
men
and
women
of
the
boston
police
department.
S
A
D
Okay,
so
I
definitely
want
to
support
community
voice,
so
I'm
just
gonna
ask
some
follow-up
questions
that
were
not
answered
in
my
first
round
and
it's
specifically
around.
I
would
like
to
know
how
much
money
is
spent
on
brick
and
how
many
officers
are
on
federal
task
force,
and
I
also
understand
that
you
quote:
unquote:
vet
your
officers,
but
my
question
specifically
around
whether
the
bpd
is
planning
an
audit
of
all
police
officers
to
see
if
there
are
any
other
charges
or
crimes
that
they
have
committed.
Y
Y
I
I
C
Counselor
here
dave
caravan
from
the
brick,
so
a
lot
of
our
work
goes
towards
proactive
police
measures,
so
a
large
portion
of
the
boston
regional
intelligence
center
consists
of
analytical
staff.
I
I've
presented
on
this
to
the
council
in
the
past,
so
I
don't
want
to
get
into
too
much
detail
with
that
and
waste
time.
But
a
lot
of
work
that
we
do
is
in
support
of
both
proactive
police
measures.
C
Another
large
part
of
that
is
again
in
the
same
vein.
Is
information
sharing?
So
as
superintendent
donovan
alluded
to
you
know,
there
are
a
lot
of
agencies
that
are
operating
in
and
around
the
city
of
boston.
One
of
our
primary
roles
is
to
make
sure
that
we
have
seamless
communication
with
those
agencies
for
deconfliction
purposes,
but
also
so
that
we
identify
emerging
threats,
emerging
issues
that
could
have
a
serious
impact
on
public
safety.
C
So
we
play
a
strong
role
in
that.
Lastly,
but
not
least,
we
do
provide
a
significant
amount
of
support
to
active
and
active
police
investigations,
so
it
could
be
through
a
variety
of
different
analytic
means,
but
that's
another
way
that
we
that
we
support
that
the
joint
terrorism
task
force
comes
out
of
the
boston
regional
intelligence
center,
technically
out
of
the
bureau
of
intelligence
and
analysis.
C
C
D
Yeah-
and
I
is
that
the
gamble
that
I
see
there-
counselor
brock-
oh
my
goodness,
this
is
so
unfair,
but
you
know
what
we
have
people
who
have
to
have
their
voices
heard.
I'm
going
to
let
that
happen,
and
you
know
I
really
do
think
I'll.
Just
say
this
is
that
it
has
been
very
frustrating
for
us
to
show
up
hearing
after
hearing
without
answers
and
then
to
just
have
these
seven
minutes
to
just
dive
deeper
during
the
budget
season.
D
Right,
we,
we
don't
have
the
the
racial
tension
that
exists
in
the
city
of
boston
is
because
I
I
believe
continues
to
persist,
because
people
who
are
in
leadership
positions
are
not
reflected
in
all
decision-making
processes
and
I'm
very
disappointed
that
I
haven't
heard
anything
from
nora
or
the
other
man
of
color.
That
was
on
this
call.
So
I
just
think
that
that
speaks
volumes
either
they
didn't
have
much
to
say,
or
we
didn't
have
direct
or
questions
directed
to
them
regardless
they
should
have
participated
a
little
bit
more.
D
I
The
council,
you
know
what
you
know,
notre
bashing
superintendent,
bashar
can
speak
down
and
she
kind
of
quickly
gotta
go
over
what
they
do
important
work,
but
you
know
just
throughout
this
hearing.
I
don't
recall
a
question
being
directly
asked.
So
superintendent
bastian
is
more
than
willing
to
to
explain
and
kind
of
highlight
some
of
the
great
work
that
they
do.
Z
Yeah,
thank
you
chief
and
that's
exactly
why,
because
there
was
no
questions,
because
this
was
a
budget
hearing
and
just
like
peter
was
talking
about
our
programs,
don't
cost
money,
we
get
them
all
through
grants
and
we
are
running.
I
hope
everyone
is
on
our
twitter
accounts,
social
media,
facebook
and
instagram,
because
we
try
to
show
everything
that
we
do,
because
I
always
believe
if
we
don't
show
what
we
do.
People
won't
know.
So
I
hope
everyone.
You
know
we're
still
running
our
programs.
Z
We're
going
into
year
number
two:
all
of
our
programs
are
running
through
the
summer.
We
have
over
200,
kids
and
they're
all
throughout
the
city,
all
through
everyone's
districts,
and
you
know,
like
I
said,
our
big
focus
is
one
thing:
building
relationships
and
trust
and
building
relationships
and
trust
with
the
community
and
those
families.
And
that
takes
time
the
keyword
is
building
and
I
think
you
have
to
be
consistent
in
our
programs.
We
are,
we
have
amazing
offices
and
we
work
with
all
kids
all
across
the
city.
Z
A
B
Thank
you,
madam
chair.
This
is
a
question
for
I
believe,
mr
hassan,
on
this
one
officer
son,
in
terms
of
the
can
of
copy
in
two
places
at
one
story
that
broke
in
september
of
last
year
regarding
a
number
of
officers
who
were
both
responding
in
terms
of
writing
police
reports
at
the
same
time
that
the
court
overtime
records
had
them
in
court
in,
but
they
were
in
two
separate
locations
that
went
into
an
investigation.
We
were
told
that
was
months
ago.
This
is
september
of
2020..
B
I
B
B
Yeah,
so
you
so
you
got
11
stations
back
to
where
we
were
at
last
time.
You
got
13
1
363
officers,
just
doing
quick,
math,
that's
about
123.9!
So,
let's
just
round
it
down,
because
I
don't
know
0.9,
but
you
got
123
officers
per
station.
Is
that
accurate,
no
how's
that
possible?
You
have
13
and
16
13
1
363
officers,
you
got
another
785
city-wide
and
you
got
11
stations.
B
P
B
B
Me
to
separate
so
you
got
123
units
123
officers
per
station
on
average
you
have
more
and
some
less
than
others
get
it
you're
telling
me
that
I
also
am
accounting
for
in
that
number,
the
bureau
investigation
services.
My
question
is:
do
those
officers
that
I'm
accounting
for
in
the
number
total
that
we've
gotten
do
those
officers
that
you're
telling
me
that
I'm
not
accounting
for
do
they
investigate
crime?
Are
those
just
civilian
administrative
positions
or
do
they
answer.
Y
B
Number,
so
I
I'm
not
understanding
the
relevance
of
why
I
would
separate
that
if
they
investigate
crime-
and
you
have
123
per
unit,
if
those-
if
everybody
that
I'm
speaking
to
has
something
beyond
just
a
purely
civilian
role,
I
I
don't
understand
why
I
would
separate
them
in
terms
of
the
breakdown.
What
I'm
trying
to
get
to
is
how
many
officers
on
average
could
you
staff,
based
on
the
numbers
you
currently
have
for
every
station
we
have
in
the
city
of
boston.
If
these
folks
investigate
crimes,
then
they
belong
in
that
number.
B
Y
B
So
we
have
123
per
station.
Here's
where
here's,
where
my
my
consternation
happens
when
you
get
to
the
the
budget
on
this
crime,
was
down
last
year,
five
percent
overall
correct.
I
know
that
it
was
up
in
some
departments
down
in
other
places,
but
it
was
down
overall
in
the
city
of
boston,
five
percent.
B
B
B
So
here's
what
I'm
getting
at
I
keep
hearing
about
population
size
I
keep
hearing
about,
9-1-1
calls
and
then
I
keep
hearing
that
we
got
to
hire
hundreds
and
hundreds
of
officers
and
throw
millions
and
millions
of
dollars
at
these
problems.
But
crime
is
down,
I'm
not
seeing
a
causation
or
correlation
between
9-1-1
calls
and
actual
crimes,
I'm
not
seeing
an
actual
correlation
between
population,
size
and
actual
crime.
B
P
P
Okay,
but
that's
not
because
something
should
exist,
doesn't
mean
that
we
can
just
develop
one.
We
need
to
use
a
standard
approach,
which
is
why,
as
superintendent
hassan
mentioned,
we're
going
to
contract
with
someone
to
bring
their
outside
perspective
in
to
boston
and
see
how
we
can
best
accomplish
this
objective
means,
but
there's
no
there's
no
software.
You
can
just
punch
in
the
crime
rate
the
number
of
people
who
live
in
the
city,
the
number
of
clients
you
have
and
not.
B
Sure,
if
that's
the
right
number,
it
doesn't
work
that
way,
you're
on
this
and
then
I'll
the
floor.
If
I
can
just
be
clear
on
what
I'm
saying
here,
so
that's
not
misconstrued,
I'm
not
saying
that
we
need
to
change
our
funding
based
on
what
the
crime
rate
is
or
isn't.
What
I'm
saying
is.
If
the
argument
is,
we
need
more
sworn
personnel.
B
I
don't
do
that's
not
how
bps
talks
to
me.
That's
not
how
the
libraries
talk
to
me.
It's
not
how
parks
talks
to
me.
I
don't
understand
this
idea
that
we
don't
have
a
program
or
a
way.
Public
works
certainly
knows
why
and
how
they
come
to
their
staffing
decisions,
and
so
I
don't
understand
this
informal
process
and
I'll
leave
it
at
that.
Thank
you.
P
Let
me
explain
that
the
variable
that
we
deal
with
more
than
anyone
else
is
the
variable
people
in
an
environment
where
we
don't
have
any
control
of
them.
Unlike
the
schools,
we
have
obviously
in
the
schools,
I
would
expect
the
teachers
who
are
professionals
could
control
some
of
the
variables
they'll
know
generally
how
many
people
are
going
to
enter
certain
classrooms
during
the
course
of
the
year.
They
know
generally
how
many
people
require
particular
services
during
the
course
of
the
year.
P
P
It's
the
variables
that
we
control
are
somewhat
limited,
much
more
limited
than
the
other
agencies
that
you've
identified,
so
that
that's
just
the
reality
and
I'm
not
saying
that
the
boston
police
doesn't
have
a
way
to
particularly
tell
you
exactly
how
many
offices
we
should
have
to
to
a
person
what
I'm
telling
you
is.
No
one
has
that
that
doesn't
exist.
P
That's
it's
usually
done
on
the
basis
of
someone
as
we're
doing
coming
in
and
taking
a
look
holistically
at
the
department
and
the
environment
that
we
operate
in,
you
could
have
a
half
a
million
person
jurisdiction
in
the
midwest.
That's
going
to
have
a
very
different
calculus
than
a
half
a
million
jurisdiction
on
the
east
coast.
That's
just
the
reality,
so
you
know
I'm
sorry.
I
can't
give
you
those
numbers,
particularly
for
boston,
but
that's
why
we're
bringing
someone
from
the
outside
into
to
give
us
a
fresh
look
at
it?
A
Thank
you
thank
you,
counselor
arroyo,
yeah
and
and
superintendent
mccoldrick.
I
know
we
went
back
and
forth
on
this
at
the
last
hearing.
I
just
think
that
I
think
I
think
every
city
department
operates
in
uncertainty.
We've
just
had
an
insane
experience
of
budgeting
in
an
uncertain
world.
I
mean
that
was
the
definition
of
covid
for
all
of
our
departments,
and
you
know.
I
just
think
that
the
the
reality
is
in
the
world
of
big
data
and
averages
and
trends
like
there
are.
A
There
are
ways
that
we
cope
with
uncertainty
beyond
just
saying
that
the
budget
is
endless,
and
obviously
we
all
know
that,
like
the
world
couldn't
just
be
what
it
is
and
then
the
count
and
then
the
boston
police
spend
the
billion
dollars
right.
So
you
know
it's
a
question
of
what
people
think
the
limits
are,
what
people
think
are
reasonable,
and
you
know
I
just.
P
Sure-
and
of
course
we
did-
we
did
cut
millions
of
dollars
from
the
budget
here
year
over
year,
so
I
think
that
I
think
that
matters
and
no
one's
advocating
for
an
unlimited
budget.
You
know
that
there's
there's
talk
of
doing
more
with
less,
and
certainly
we
would
advocate
for
that,
and
the
reality
is
in
order
for
us
to
to
do
less,
though
it's
not
just
it's
not
just
a
unilateral
approach.
P
We're
going
to
need
other
city
agencies
to
pick
up
some
of
these
things,
because,
what's
what's
going
to
happen,
is
people
will
continue
to
call
9-1-1?
People
will
continue
to
have
an
expectation
that
police
are
going
to
respond,
that
that
is,
that
is
a
given.
That
is
definitely
going
to
happen
when
people
call
9-1-1
and
look
for
a
police
response,
they're
going
to
expect
to
get
it
so
that
the
process
of
having
other
people
take
on
the
roles
that
we're
currently
being
dispatched
to.
I
I
think
most
police
officers
advocate
for
that
fully.
A
I
think
to
your
point:
we
are
working
on
figuring
out
the
alternatives
on
that
front,
but
I
I
you
know,
I'm
mindful
now
we're
now
we're
well
past
council
arroyo's
time
and
I've
moved
into
it.
So
counselor
counselor
baker,
you
have
the
floor
and
then
and
then
we're
going
to
be
going
to
public
testimony,
counselor
baker.
Thank.
B
You,
madam
chair
and
again,
thank
you
everybody
for
hanging
in
there,
so
superintendent
hassan
you,
you
had
talked
about
a
relocation
of
peter
superintendent,
assistant,
superintendent,
messina's
group
and
also
superintendent,
nora
bastian's
group.
Where
are
they
being
relocated
to
the
same
place?
You
can
just
talk
about
that
briefly,
where
they
are
and
and
and
why
they're
going
where
they're
going
yeah.
B
Z
Absolutely
for
those
that
don't
know
me
that
are
listening,
superintendent,
nora
bastian
and
I
oversee
the
bureau
community
engagement.
I
am
currently
we're
kind
of
spread
out.
I
am
currently
at
charlestown
my
office,
but
you
know
we
spend
99.9
of
our
time
in
the
community,
so
we
run
four
right
now.
We're
running
four
community
programs
and
the
common
theme
is
mentorship,
so
we
do
it
through
acting.
We
do
it
through.
You
know:
girls,
leadership.
We
have.
Z
B
I
B
Yeah,
so
they
don't
go
to
the
state.
They'll
go
to
the
stations
when
there's
a
need
so
but
they're
together,
like
they
come
in
they're
in
one
spot,
they're,
not
in
stations.
Okay.
Can
we
talk
a
little
bit
is
david
still
on
david
cavanagh
on
david,
the
the
the
grants
that
are
being
held
up
by
this
party
here.
Can
you
talk
a
little
bit
about
those?
What
what?
What
would
the
grants
go
towards.
C
Yes,
sir
hi
counselor
baker
dave
karuman
here,
so
the
one
of
the
grants
that's
held
up
at
the
moment
here
is
from
the
executive
office
of
public
safety
and
security.
It's
a
state
grant
our
intention,
for
that
is
to
fill
a
total
of
seven
positions
within
the
bric.
Three
of
the
positions
would
go
towards
civilian
analysts
that
work
within
our
real-time
crime
center.
C
At
times
that
could
range
from
shootings
to
bomb
threats
to
individuals
that,
frankly,
have
been
struck
by
hit
and
run
vehicles
supporting
investigations
with
that
they
also
are
the
primary
focus
of
the
brick
that
handles
what
we
call
request
for
information,
and
that
is
inquiries
that
come
into
the
the
brick
looking
for
investigative
or
other
types
of
law
enforcement
support.
Just
to
give
you
an
idea
of
what
that
looks
like
on
an
on
an
annual
basis.
We
typically
see
over
4
000
of
those
requests
for
for
information
that
come
through.
C
Sometimes
it's
reached
as
high
as
7
000
requests
from
other
law
enforcement
agencies.
So
it's
it's
quite
taxing
at
the
moment
right
now,
so
we're
looking
for
three
analysts
there
and
a
supervisor
that
will
help
us
out
during
the
evening
shift.
We
currently
lack
having
a
civilian
analytics
supervisor
to
support
that
effort.
C
We
are
down
a
couple
positions
at
the
moment
due
to
turnover
and
in
those
situations
we're
required
to
use
overtime
in
order
to
backfill
that
position.
It's
those
positions,
those
positions
are
deemed
essential,
similar
to
how
911
operators
are
deemed
to
be
essential.
So
this
will
provide
us
with
more
backfill
and
capability.
Should
somebody
actually
want
to
take
a
day
off
or
go
on
vacation,
something
along
those
lines.
Keep
in
mind
that
that
part
of
the
operation
runs
two
shifts
a
day
seven
days
a
week
and
we're
just
we're
just
incredibly
short
staffed.
C
C
What
we're
looking
to
do
is
increase
our
liaison
capabilities
so
that
as
crimes
occur
in
places
like
southwest
corridor,
the
seaport
over
near
the
terminals,
things
of
that
nature
that
we've
got
a
more
seamless
approach
for
sharing
that
info.
Considering
the
nature
of
the
threat
environment
that
we're
working
through
everything
from
terrorism
to
threats
from
state
actors,
overseas,
smuggling
of
weapons,
people
drugs,
you
name
it
there's
a
lot
of
reason
to
make
sure
we
have
a
seamless
capability
to
one
ramp
up.
C
Should
there
be
a
threat
towards
some
of
these
places
that
are
high
volume
transport
locations
for
for
the
public,
but
also
in
order
to
help
you
know,
connect
the
dots
on
criminal
issues
that
are
happening
across
borders
and
jurisdictions,
and
the
other
one
is
obviously
is
the
mbta.
The
mbta
shares
a
ton
of
property
with
the
city
of
boston,
so
we're
looking
to
to
beef
up
our
capabilities
there.
So
that's
that
that's
that.
C
There's
850
000
there
there's
another
850
000,
that's
currently
on
hold
that
hasn't
made
it
to
the
accept
and
expend
process.
Our
forecast
right
now
is
that
this
will
sustain
funding
for
city
employees
for
about
right
now,
six
years
total
going
into
the
future
and
we've
we've
been
receiving
this
grant
for
quite
a
while.
So
we
we
don't
see
any
any
stop,
especially
when
they
see
the
value
of
the
partnerships
that
we're
creating
and
the
the
crime,
prevention
and
response
capability
being
enhanced.
C
June
30th
is
the
is
the
drop
dead
date
on
the
on
our
ability
to
to
accept
the
latest
grant
funding
and
then,
of
course,
they
have
to
put
timelines
with
budgets
together
on
on
the
funding.
So
when
we
first
went
through
an
accept
and
expend
process
with
this,
we
had
forecasted
it
out
and
now
we're
going
to
have
to
request
an
extension
should
that
money
be
be
allowed
and
granted
towards
us.
So
I
think
we
can
work
through
it,
but
we
we
do
have
a
limited
amount
of
time
to
act.
B
A
J
B
A
B
A
Y
Just
quickly
constantly
yeah,
so
it's
you
know,
I've
heard
the
term
return
on
investment
mentioned
a
couple
of
times
here.
I
just
want
to
say
that
if
you're
looking
for
a
return
on
investment,
look
no
further
than
the
brick
the
services
of
the
brit,
that
the
brook
provides
the
boston
police
department
and
the
citizens
of
this
city
is
invaluable
and
incalculable
with
without
the
brick
we
are.
Our
crime
rate
is
not
where
it
is.
Today.
Y
Y
A
Thank
you,
superintendent
and
thank
you
councillor
baker,
so
I'm
about
to
go
to
public
testimony,
but
before
I
do,
I
just
want
to
thank
acting
commissioner
long
and
the
superintendents
the
command
staff
for
being
here
with
us
today.
I
superintendent
long
it's
it's
a
pleasure
to
e-meet
you.
I
wish
it
had
been
20
minutes
sooner.
I
will
just
say
if
we
could
next
time
make
sure
that
they
that
we're
able
to
start
on
time
for
the
council
just
because
we've
got
so
many
folks.
A
I'm
actually
going
to
not
adjourn
this
hearing,
but
rather
recess
it
to
the
backup
time
we
have
on
the
calendar,
which
is
may
26th
at
3
pm,
because
there's
a
large
number
of
specific
quantitative
questions
that
the
council
has
out
both
in
the
information
requests
we
sent
over
and
also
that
have
come
up
in
the
hearing
today.
And
it
is
quite
important
to
me
as
ways
and
means
joe
that
we
actually
get
answers
on
those
things
and
I'm
I'm
really
like
read
the
document.
A
Look
at
it
person
as
opposed
to
kind
of
doing
these
number
quotings
in
the
hearing.
So
we
are
going
to
be
following
up
on
that.
So
I
just
want
everyone
to
know
that
I
will
be
recessing
the
hearing
to
a
time
certain
rather
than
adjourning
today.
But
again
I
want
to
thank
the
team
for
being
here
and
for
for
all
your
work.
I
I
want
to
thank
you
for
your
time
with
the
rest
of
the
city
council.
You
know
again,
I
apologize
for
the
beginning
of
that.
As
you
well
know,
you
know
in
this
covenant
world
and
you
know
the
zoom
world
that
we're
all
operating
in
sometimes
around
technical
difficulties
that
you
have
no
control
over
and
today
was
one
of
them.
So
I
apologize
for
whatever
delay
incurred
the
beginning
of
the
meeting,
but
I
appreciate
your
time
and
the
rest
of
the
town
of
the
city
council.
A
No,
we
certainly,
we
certainly
appreciate
you
being
with
us
here
for
these
past
three
hours.
So
thank
you
for
that
all
right
and
with
that,
I'm
gonna
go
now
to
public
testimony,
so
I'll
be
going
in
the
order.
I've
got
of
the
list
in
front
of
me
and
letting
people
in
kind
of
three
at
a
time.
That'll
start
with
kelly
reddy,
then
becky
pierce
and
then
hyatt
a
mom.
A
All
right
going
first
to
kelly,
and
if
we
can
just
remember
to
just
introduce
yourself
describe,
you
know
your
residence
or
affiliation
and
just
keep
your
keep
your
comments.
Good,
two
and
a
half
minutes
just
so
that
we
can
get
everybody
in
we've
got
a
lot
of
folks
waiting
here
a
long
time.
So
thank
you.
Okay,
thanks
kelly.
AA
AA
AA
It
sounds
very
much
like
something
that's
going
on
in
oregon.
The
cahoots
program,
which
has
been
extremely
successful,
cut
down
their
their
incidents
dramatically,
but
they
don't
have
police
with
them
and
I
think
that's
an
a
really
important
thing.
I
think
the
co-response
I
understand,
but
the
police
can
be
in
the
back.
AA
A
AB
AB
This
is
a
critically
important
hearing
because
it
addresses
the
question
of
how
much
more
the
police
budget
needs
to
be
cut
compared
to
last
year
from
the
four
million
dollar
one
percent
cut
that
mary
mayor
janie
has
in
her
budget.
I
think
her
proposed
police
budget
actually
needs
to
be
cut
by
at
least
60
to
100
million
dollars.
AB
A
AC
Good
afternoon
my
name
is
jenna
and
I
live
in
jamaica,
plain
by
ignoring
the
calls
for
help
from
residents
only
worse
than
the
situation
we
currently
are
in
you're,
putting
too
much
money
in
a
corrupt
organization
by
funding
police
you're,
giving
the
middle
finger
to
black
and
brown
communities.
They
have
fought
long
and
hard
to
be
seen
to
be
heard
instead
of
funding
police.
Take
some
of
that
money
and
invest
in
communities
that
are
calling
for
your
help.
AC
You
may
think
asking
for
more
cadets
and
officers
will
protect
the
city
but
in
reality,
boston,
cops,
racially
profile,
illegally
search,
hurt
residents
and
target
black
and
brown
communities
by
funding
them
you're,
giving
them
more
resources
to
hurt
our
people.
I
am
asking
you
to
invest
this
money
in
building
a
stronger
bond
with
the
communities
that
are
demanding
to
get
treated
equally.
Why
do
you
advocate
to
help
during
your
campaign?
AC
But
once
you
get
elected,
you
forget
the
sole
purpose
of
your
promises,
you
weren't
elected,
to
ignore
the
resident's,
need
you
were
likely
because
you
advocated
for
change.
Where
is
that
dedication
when
we
need
it?
Now?
I
am
asking
the
city
of
boston
and
the
city
council
to
freeze
all
hiring
of
new
officers
and
cadets
in
the
boston
police
department.
AC
Why
would
the
community
and
city
councils
support
hiding
police
when
there
hasn't
been
any
data
or
discussion
on
how
to
decrease
existing
over
policing
with
many
others?
Alongside
me,
I
reject
the
idea
that
more
cops
on
our
streets
will
mean
a
safer
and
more
vibrant
city.
We
want
to
address
the
root
causes
of
violence
and
transform
the
way
we
as
a
society
respond
to
the
issues
of
violence.
We
know
police
do
not
and
cannot
do
this
because
of
the
punitive
and
racist
way
they
engage
with
black
and
brown
communities.
AC
AD
We
do
have
a
lot
of
questions
about
what
is
spent
right
now
on
traffic
enforcement.
I
heard
someone
from
bpd
mention
citations
that
were
mailed,
but
we're
still
trying
to
understand
how
many
dedicated
traffic
enforcement
units
are
there
at
a
time
how
many
are
on
duty
officers
also
performing
trafficking
enforcement.
AD
AD
Disparities
in
stops,
disparities
in
ticketing
and
and,
of
course,
violence
and
fatalities
coming
from
traffic
stops.
So
that's
one
point
I
want
to
make.
The
second
is
that
we
really
support
the
work
that
families
for
justice
is
healing
has
been
leading
in
the
push
to
shift
detail
jobs
to
residents,
as
I
understand
what's
holding
us
back,
is
transferring
from
transferring
these
jobs
to
civilians
is
the
police
contract
and
we
urge
you
to
explore
shifting
this
to
resident
jobs.
AD
We
also
know
from
the
transportation
department
that
many
jobs
go
unfilled
and
that
leaves
construction
workers
really
vulnerable
on
the
roads.
It
leaves
pedestrians
people
trying
to
cross
bike
travel
on
the
roads
at
all
in
dangerous
situations,
so
the
whole
strategy
for
when
detail
is
needed
also
needs
to
be
reformed.
We
don't
need
police
officers
at
open
streets
events
and
community
festivals
many
times,
but
we
do
need
them
endangered.
AD
We
do
need
someone
in
dangerous
positions
directing
traffic
and
those
jobs
can
and
should
be
moved
to
to
residents
to
get
high
paying
jobs
back
into
the
communities
and
local
jobs
yeah.
Those
are
oh,
and
finally,
I
just
wanted
to
ask.
Also
one
thing:
that's
not
clear
in
the
budget
is
how
much
money
is
coming
from
the
streets
department
to
pay
for
police
detail
when
a
construction
job
is
done
by
the
streets
department
and
they
hire
outside
contractors
and
those
contractors
hire
police
detail.
It's
also
going
back
to
bpd.
A
AE
Thank
you
so
much
assalamu
alaikum.
Let
me
begin
by
bringing
you
greetings
of
ramadan,
which
is
the
month
of
fasting
for
the
muslim
community,
which
is
happening
right
now
ending
in
a
couple
of
days.
My
name
is
hayat
imam.
I
live
in
dorchester,
I'm
a
member
of
dorchester
people
for
peace
and
also
mass
peace
action.
AE
I
would
like
to
take
this
opportunity
to
thank
the
members
of
the
city
council
for
your
hard
work
every
day
on
our
behalf.
I
saw
it
in
action
this
afternoon.
You
all
worked
hard
today.
We
appreciate
it
so,
but
before
I
give
my
testimony,
which
I
have
written
and
I'll
read
it
to
you,
I'd
like
to
say
that
it's
been
kind
of
surprising
for
me
to
listen
to
the
questions
and
discussions
today
by
the
city
councillors.
AE
It
sounded
so
much
like
business
as
usual,
but
in
fact
this
is
not
business
as
usual
anymore.
This
is
a
very
new
moment,
we're
in
it's
a
pretty
urgent,
unusual
moment
of
reckoning
in
this
country
as
a
whole
and
in
our
state
too,
we're
grappling
with
issues
of
systemic
racism,
we're
talking
about
police
brutality
and
also
dealing
with
extreme
inequality
and
injustice.
AE
So
yeah.
But
now
I'd
like
to
read
you
my
testimony
that
I
had
prepared
regarding
the
police
budget,
I'm
giving
the
testimony
today
as
a
grandmother,
along
with
the
many
other
parents
and
grandparents
who
have
black
and
brown
children
whom
we
love.
I
walk
with
a
sense
of
tread
and
of
dread
and
terror
every
day
for
fear
of
what
they
may
encounter
at
the
hands
of
police
and
law
enforcement,
so
addressing
policing
in
the
united
states
must
take
into
account
not
just
what's
happening
today,
but
its
historical
context.
AE
Today's
policing
is
rooted
in
a
historical
structure
that
was
set
up
by
the
haves
to
keep
the
have-nots
under
control,
in
other
words,
to
keep
the
rich
safe
from
the
poor.
The
original
purpose
of
policing
was
to
uphold
the
dominant
social
order,
which
is
responding
to
the
needs
of
white
people
and
rich
people,
and
unfortunately,
this
continues
to
this
day
and
because
of
this
police
has
not.
Policing
has
not
been
about
taking
care
of
our
most
vulnerable
citizens.
AE
It's
not
about
a
response
to
social
needs
that
are
often
rooted
in
racism
and
inequality.
Instead,
it's
a
system
of
control
and
punishment.
I
believe
police
are
trained
and
instructed
about
whom
they
should
target
and
against
whom
they
should
enforce
the
laws.
Otherwise,
I
I
think
there
could
be
no
explanation
for
why
police
disproportionately
target
arrest
and
kill
black
people.
AE
We
must
conclude,
then,
that
the
present
policing
system
is
an
intrinsically
abusive
and
unworkable
structure.
It
cannot
be
reformed,
it
needs
to
be
scrapped
and
rebuilt,
and
I
do
agree
with
the
last
few
comments
by
the
city,
councilor
baker
and
others
that
yeah
we
will
need
to
have
something
in
place
before
we
replace
it,
but
that
that
goes
without
saying.
AE
And
my
guess
is
that
these
changes
will
be
supported
by
police
in
uniform
themselves,
because
it
is
our
only
chance
for
true
social
justice
and
peace,
and
it
will
be
better
for
their
mental
health
too,
which
I
heard
as
a
concern
by
city
councillors
today.
In
order
to
begin
this
process,
we
need
you
to
think
in
new
and
creative
ways,
and
specifically,
we
need
your
support
for
two
critical
things.
Please
decrease
police
department
budgets
by
a
substantial
number
50
to
100
million
dollars.
AE
A
AF
I
come
to
you
today
as
a
mother,
as
of
of
young
brown
men,
no
less
as
an
educator
for
over
a
decade
in
boston,
public
schools
as
a
resident
for
my
whole
adult
life
in
the
dorchester
and
roxbury
neighborhoods
of
boston,
an
anti-racist
educator,
a
fellow
white
adults,
a
member
of
first
parish,
dorchester,
unitarian,
universalist
congregation
and
a
friend
of
many
of
the
door.
The
the
organizations
represented
here
today,
including
dorchester
people
for
peace.
AF
AF
This
includes
making
substantive
cuts
from
the
police
department,
in
addition
to
cuts
from
the
overtime
budget
and
reinvesting
money
in
actual
public
safety.
For
black
and
brown
communities,
this
includes
a
shift
away
from
armed
intervention
and
militarization
that,
instead
of
protecting
us,
serves
to
endanger
and
traumatize
us.
This
includes
the
use
of
mental
health,
emergency
response
teams
who
are
trained
for
calls
related
to
crises
caused
by
the
impaired
mental
health
of
a
loved
one.
This
includes
hiring
civilians
for
construction
details
and
traffic
enforcement.
AF
It
includes
increasing
funding
for
education,
jobs,
affordable
housing,
food
security,
youth
programs,
community-based
mental
health
care
and
the
presence
of
ethnic
studies
and
mental
health
professionals
in
every
boston
school.
It
includes
increased
funding
for
public
transportation,
maintenance
and
safer
streets
for
bikes
and
pedestrians.
Please
make
these
changes
to
this
year's
city
budget
and
vote
against
any
version
of
the
budget
that
doesn't
include
them.
The
events
of
our
country
have
collectively
witnessed
over
the
last
that
we've
collectively
witnessed
over
the
last
year.
I'm
just
concluding
the
sense
right
now
have
called
us
to
a
profound
reckoning.
AF
O
Hi,
my
name
is
serene
I'm
here
today
to
demand,
among
other
things,
counselors
vote
no
to
this
budget.
Following
last
summer's
display
of
police
terror,
it
became
clear
to
us
that
violence
is
not
an
exception
to
the
rule,
but
the
very
function
of
policing
and
that
violence
takes
many
forms
from
physical
to
financial.
O
Last
year,
y'all
signed
off
on
almost
half
a
billion
for
the
police.
While
the
community
was
left
to
fend
for
itself,
we
were
told
to
accept
an
overtime
reduction
that
never
happened
now,
we're
being
handed
that
same
performative
cut
that
actually
increases
the
number
of
police
officers
directly
contradicting
the
demands
of
the
public
to
defund
and
abolish
the
police.
Y'all
keep
asking
alternatives
to
prove
themselves
when
they
have
no
funding
yet
police
with
their
half
a
billion
dollars
are
not
treated
the
same.
They
just
keep
getting
funded
on
the
topic
of
overtime.
O
If
this
is
what's
happening
in
the
public
eye,
what
will
happen
behind
closed
doors
during
contract
negotiations
and
I'll
acknowledge
this?
This
budget
will
not
change
everything,
but
here
are
just
a
few
helpful
suggestions,
defund,
brick
and
a
hiring
freeze,
no
new
cops,
stop
derailing
the
conversation
with
bs
diversity,
initiatives,
black
and
brown
cops
kill.
O
Let's
throw
in
some
safe
consumption
sites
there
too,
if
we
can
find
the
money
to
pay
a
quarter
of
a
million
dollars
to
a
cop
that
bragged
about
playing
gta
with
protesters
and
has
been
accused
of
sexual
assault,
we
can
find
the
money
to
fund
our
communities
and
I'll
end
with
this.
What
you
fund
here
you
justify
globally.
Our
cops
in
massachusetts
are
literally
trained
with
the
same
zionist
terrorists
that
are
ethnically
cleansing
palestine.
As
we
speak,
the
us
created
the
playbook
that
is
being
used
in
colombia
to
massacre
people
the
same
playbook.
O
AG
AG
In
district
six
respectfully
we
submitted
written
testimony
that
has
a
lot
of
numbers
and
we
encourage
the
committee
to
take
a
look
at
that
as
well.
Briefly,
citizen
for
juvenile
justice
is
the
only
independent
nonprofit
statewide
organization
working
exclusively
to
improve
juvenile
justice
and
other
youth
serving
systems
in
massachusetts.
AG
AG
First
of
all,
the
proposed
bpd
budget
is
tone
deaf
to
community
expression
of
need
police
interactions
with
young
people
impact.
How
youth
view
the
legitimacy
of
our
government
institutions
at
this
time
of
deep
reflection
on
the
nature
of
police
interactions
with
residents
and
after
a
year
of
community
demands
to
divest
in
police.
We
find
it
surprising
and
unfortunate.
The
proposed
budget
would
hire
more
officers.
It
seems
tone
deaf
to
the
community
contradictory
to
express
needs
and
ignoring
some
of
the
active
harm
that
police
cause
in
schools,
as
well
as
over
policing
of
communities
of
color.
AG
Now
the
majority
of
incidents
that
bpd
responds
to
now
are
non-violent
and
non-criminal
civil
incidents,
and
I'm
basing
this
on
bpd's
own
data.
The
we're
really
pleased
to
have
from
the
boston,
police
and
the
city
of
boston
public,
facing
data
from
that
is
available
on
the
city
website
done
the
what
they
call
the
crime
incident
reports
now
cfjj
is
working
on
a
report
not
yet
done
today,
but
hopefully
in
the
next
couple
of
weeks.
That
will
expand
fully
on
this.
AG
But
what
we
see
in
in
our
analysis
of
this
data
set
is
that
well.
This
report
asks
two
fundamental
questions:
one:
what
are
the
incidents
that
boston
police
currently
respond
to
and
also
what
types
of
incidents
could
be
handled
more
effectively
and
efficiently
by
some
non-policing
alternatives
that
can
still
meet
community
needs.
AG
This
is
fully
you
know,
nothing
related
to
anything.
Criminal
oriented
drug
and
alcohol
incidents
make
up
five
percent
driving
and
motor
vehicle
incidents
that
were
discussed
earlier
in
this
hearing.
12
investigations,
which
could
cut
across
all
of
the
areas
fully
11
non-violent,
offenses,
26
and
then
violent
defenses,
only
22
percent.
AG
So
the
data
show
that
almost
a
quarter
of
all
incidents
and
the
boston
police
are
responding
to
are
wholly
non-criminal
in
nature,
and
that
means
that
two-thirds
of
police
incidents
that
do
not
involve
police
investigative
function
or
a
response
to
violent
crime
at
all.
We
believe
that
deploying
additional
resources
to
civil
motor
vehicle
infractions
and
other
non-violent
offenses
to
be
an
inappropriate
use
of
resources,
and
this
also
applies
to
substance
abuse
related
offenses.
AG
Now
I
mentioned
this
report
that
you'll
see
hopefully
in
a
couple
of
weeks,
but
I
just
want
to
talk
today
about
two
areas:
mental
health
and
traffic
enforcement.
Both
of
these
have
been
discussed
somewhat
already.
So
looking
at
the
boston
incident
data,
6.5
percent
of
all
police
incidents
are
for
sick,
assists
or
sick
injured
medical.
This
is
from
2016
through
2020
data
officers
responded
over
that
period
to
more
than
7
000
medical
incidents,
and
we
don't
know
exactly
how
many
of
them
were
mental
health.
AG
Looking
also
at
the
fio
data
set,
it
only
saw
73
fios
between
2016
and
19
that
were
explicitly
around
individuals
facing
a
mental
health
crisis
and,
as
was
just
discussed
earlier,
the
co-response
program.
We
we
feel
is
a
generally
a
good
program
and
we're
really
glad
to
see
additional
resources
made
there
put
put
towards
there,
but
there
are
additional
alternatives
that
are
being
tried
in
other
areas
that
are
do
not
rely
on
policing
at
all.
AG
AC
AH
AH
I
am
a
black
female
mom
civilian
who
took
advantage
of
an
equitable
opportunity,
and
I
served
the
city
of
boston
for
20
years.
As
I
said,
I
am
no
longer
an
officer,
but
it
has
nothing
to
do
with
anything.
That's
work
related,
so
I'm
very
proud
of
the
work
that
I
did.
I
also
worked
with
kids
children,
families,
stakeholders.
AH
AH
So
the
the
whole
conversation
about
hiring
more
officers
definitely
becomes
a
huge
concern
because
of
the
double
standard
that
has
been
well
looked
into
through
reports,
the
boston
globe
matters
get
handled
differently
depending
upon
the
ethnicity
and
gender
of
the
of
the
officer.
So
if
you
can't
retain
some
of
the
officers
that
you
have,
then
then
I'm
not
sure
why
why
we
want
to
expand
and
put
on
more
offices
and
especially
under
the
under
the
guise
of
having
more
diversity.
AH
AH
The
officer
in
the
latter
issue
was
treated
far
differently
and
so
for
that
reason,
I'm
really
concerned
about
adding
more
offices
on
under
the
guise
of
diversity
when
so
much
money
is
spent
on
derailing
the
careers
of
some
of
those
black
and
brown
officers.
Secondly,
the
overtime
with
regards
to
the
overtime
issue:
there
is
misuse
of
overtime,
often
due
to
the
abuse
of
power
and
abuse
of
of
authority.
AH
So
in
my
matter
the
first
incident
that
I
miss
you
in
mention
one
two:
zero
three,
six,
three,
nine
four
six
a
captain
actually
came
into
a
station
without
having
any
sustained
charges.
Any
proper
legal
delegation,
any
proper
paperwork
at
an
unprecedented
hour
of
one
o'clock
in
the
morning
to
talk
to
me
without
a
union
wreck
president
and
later
testified.
He
ended
up
assaulting
me
and
he
later
testified
that
he
deviated
from
all
these
protocols
to
be
able
to
put
in
for
overtime.
AH
So
I
need
to
really
look
into
the
overtime
issue
and
what
is
well
documented.
I
didn't
hear
anyone
speak
today
about
you
know
certain
people
earning
300
dollars
a
year,
this
misuse
of
overtime
to
target
someone
to
abuse.
Your
authority
and
power
has
to
stop
so
there
are
a
lot
of
internal
issues
that
get
prolonged
for
years.
Internal
legal
matter
should
I
say
so
what
would
be
done
differently
and
how
much
money
will
be
spent
on
these
internal
cases
that
are
prolonged
and
costing
the
commonwealth
of
mass?
AH
AH
I
have
spoken
to
a
few
counselors
that
were
very
empathetic
and
and
would
like
for
me
to
submit
some
more
information
which
again
I
I
intend
to
do
so,
but
we
need
to
really
take
this
series
we're
in
this
this
climate
right
now
and
I
think
that
we're
acting
like
it
is
business
as
usual,
and
it's
not
business
as
usual.
Whenever
there's
abusive
authority
or
power,
people
are
very
much
affected,
lives
are
destroyed,
and
so
I'm
I'm
going
to
end
at
that
and
submit
most
of
my
information
and
my
facts
in
the
report.
A
X
Sorry,
my
name
is
linda
cohen,
and
I
am
a
member
of
the
group
showing
up
for
racial
justice
in
boston.
I
am
also
someone
that
was
directly
affected
by
the
boston
police
department.
A
few
years
back,
I
had
a
mental
health
crisis.
The
police
were
called
instead
of
social
workers
or
mental
health
workers,
who,
I
believe,
would
have
de-escalated
the
situation.
X
X
If
I
was
a
black
or
brown
woman,
the
situation
could
have
likely
ended
in
my
death.
More
cops
does
not
equate
with
more
safety.
There
is
a
lack
of
trust
of
people
that
cannot
be
changed,
there's
a
lack
of
trust
of
police
that
cannot
be
changed
by
just
hiring
more
of
the
same.
We
need
to
look
at
systemic
issues
such
as
racism.
X
Reforms
like
more
diversity,
training
do
not
help.
You
cannot
reform
an
institution
that
is
fundamentally
racist.
One
thousand
people
are
murdered
by
police
every
year
and
black
and
brown
people
are
murdered
at
three
times.
I'm
sorry
and
black
people
are
murdered
at
three
times
the
rate
of
white
people.
AI
Okay
hi,
my
name
is
seth
and
I
am
from
jamaica
plain,
I'm
representing
boston,
dsa
and
jamaica
plain
progressives,
so,
firstly,
I
would
just
like
to
thank
all
the
counselors
for
spending
time
trying
to
get
to
the
bottom
of
the
countless
amounts
of
errors
and
confusions
that
are
coming
from
bpd,
but
I
have
to
warn
you.
I
think
your
efforts
are
in
vain,
because
bpd
is
not
interested
in
a
transparent
or
realistic
budget
process,
as
you've
heard
today.
AI
Many
of
their
quest,
many
of
your
questions
have
not
been
answered,
and
nor
will
they
because
bpd
understands
that
the
longer
they
pursue
this
budget
process
and
the
bigger
they
get
the
vaguer
their
answers
are
the
more
money
they
can
use
to
their
discretion.
Essentially,
they
are
running
a
racketeering
operation
that
would
make
the
mafia
blush.
AI
Meanwhile,
they
were
spending
their
time
being
racist
to
andrea
campbell
on
twitter,
protecting
patrick
rose,
who
was
a
literal
child
molester
for
over
two
decades,
bragging
running
over
protesters
and
then
bragging
about
it
on
air,
among
a
variety
of
other
scandals
and
terrible
terrible
actions.
So
it's
very
clear
that
bpd
has
does
not
have
the
best
interest
of
our
community
and
does
not
have
the
best
interest
of
anyone
in
boston
other
than
themselves
and
enriching
their
own
pockets.
AI
T
Great,
thank
you
so
much.
My
name
is
kristen
aldrich,
I'm
a
resident
of
jones
hill
in
dorchester
in
district
3..
I've
lived
here
for
five
years.
I'm
also
a
member
of
dorchester
people
for
peace
and
involved
in
showing
up
for
racial
justice,
boston,
and
I
fully
stand
behind
and
support
the
requests
and
demands
from
the
muslim
justice
league
that
we
heard
earlier,
as
well
as
families
for
justice.
T
I'm
really
glad
to
hear
about
the
al
alternate
response
program
regarding
mental
health.
It
sounds
like
that
is
in
a
pilot
phase.
At
this
time
with
the
bpd,
and
I'm
really
glad
to
hear
other
folks
giving
testimony
here
about
programs
around
the
country
that
are
successfully
putting
in
place
alternative
response
programs-
and
I
agree
with
other
comments
here-
that
this
should
not
live
within
the
police
department.
T
The
community
building
programs
that
one
of
the
police
officers
was
talking
about
previously
on
this
hearing
sounds
like
an
amazing
program
and
the
kinds
of
things
that
the
city
should
be
allocating
funds
for,
but
it
should
not
live
within
the
police
department.
I
don't
see
or
understand
any
reason
why
money
towards
youth
art
programming,
which
is
vital
and
critical
in
our
communities,
should
live
within
the
police
department.
T
T
The
the
police
respond
to
harm
they
do
not
prevent
harm
more
police
patrol
or
presence
in
communities
does
not
make
them
more
safe
investment
and
resources
in
housing,
food
access,
education,
arts,
culture,
youth
programming-
that
is
what
we
need.
We
need
good
job
opportunities
and
living
wages.
None
of
this
comes
from
the
police
department.
It
is
imperative
to
the
health
of
our
communities
to
take
funding
out
of
bpd
and
invest
those
dollars
toward
our
thriving
communities.
T
A
AJ
Dear
members
of
the
city
council,
my
name
is
wahash
fira
and
I
live
in
roxbury,
I'm
a
part
of
the
youth
justice
power
union.
What
a
police-free
world
would
mean
is
that
everyone
is
protected
and
given
opportunities,
regardless
of
race,
religion
and
sexual
orientation
and
will
be
judged
by
their
will
and
capacity
to
perform
and
not
by
how
they
look
or
who
they
are
granted
them,
having
the
same
opportunities
both
equally
and
equitably,
along
with
many
others.
Alongside
me,
I
reject
the
idea
that
more
cops
on
our
streets,
safer
and
more
vibrant
city.
AJ
With
this
goal,
I
would
hope
for
more
of
a
just
society,
one
where
we
can
strive
with
equal
and
equitable
opportunity
and
not
have
to
protest
for
the
basic
freedoms
we
should
be
granted
of
rights.
Let's,
let's
be
the
generation
that
learns
from
the
past
and
create
and
can
create
change
for
those
yet
to
come.
I
am
appalled
by
the
fiscal
year
2022
budget.
AJ
AJ
Education,
one
is
the
foundation
of
youth
who
may
not
have
the
same
opportunities
for
their
wealthier
counterparts
to
get
the
ex
education.
They
need
to
be
able
to
be
successful
and
create
a
cycle
of
wealth
in
the
communities
they're
raised
in
with
this
investment
they
can
be
successful
and
give
back
to
the
communities
that
they
were
raised
in
with
housing.
Housing
can
be
infrastructure
plans.
AJ
Infrastructure
can
be
anything
honestly,
it
could
be
grocery
stores,
health,
educational
facilities,
studios
housing
as
the
main
thing
to
create
a
more
equitable
and
affordable
cycle
for
people
that
live
in
those
neighborhoods
to
thrive
in.
I
asked
the
city
of
boston
and
city
council
to
give
one
commit
to
wheel
cuts
to
both
the
overtime
and
regular
bpd
budget.
Two
raise
all
hiring
of
new
officers
in
the
boston
police
department,
three
cap,
regular
and
overtime
spending
of
the
boston
police
department.
AJ
These
cuts
will
help
the
city
to
meet
the
community's
demand
to
shift
money
and
power
away
from
policing
into
the
black
and
brown
communities.
Instead
of
continuing
to
spend
public
resources
on
policing,
money
should
be
shifted
out
of
the
bpd
into
housing,
food
access,
arts
and
culture,
recovery
services,
community-led
violence,
prevention
and
healing
run
by
people
who
have
direct
experience
in
black
and
brown
communities.
If
the
mayor's
office
does
not
agree
to
decrease
the
spending
and
shrink
the
role
and
responsibility
of
the
bpd,
I
urge
the
city
council
to
vote
no
on
the
budget.
AJ
A
AK
AK
So
I
want
to
say
that
I
am
testifying
as
a
psychologist,
who
is
serving
folks
with
a
severe
mental
illness
and
who
actually
live
at
the
intersection
of
severe
mental
illness
and
poverty.
So
a
lot
of
the
folks
I
serve
are
street
homeless
and
a
significant
portion
of
my
clients
are
black
and
brown
and
I'm
here
because
my
clients
can't
be
here
and
I'm
here
to
advocate
for
them.
AK
I
have
had
personal
experiences
with
the
boston
police
department.
I
have
witnessed
with
my
own
eyes
the
way
boston
police
department
has
treated
my
clients,
and
I
am
opposed
to
that.
There
is
a
culture
within
the
boston
police
department
that
I
do
not
believe
is
affirming
to
the
black
and
brown
community,
and
it
certainly
isn't
affirming
to
people
who
are
struggling
with
mental
illness.
AK
I
have
heard
from
this
meeting
that
you
know
we're
talking
about
police
officers.
Mental
health
during
covid
and
absolutely
mental
health
during
covet
is
a
significant
issue,
and
I
hope
that
the
funds
who
the
funds
are
going
to
the
police
can
be
considered
to
be
instead
invested
into
mental
health
initiatives,
and
it
is
important
to
know
that
black
and
brown
communities
are
the
ones
that
have
been
impacted
the
most
by
covenanting,
not
the
police.
AK
AK
I
do
not
want
police
in
my
community,
please
do
not
make
aapi
folks
feel
safer.
There's
a
long
history
of
the
police,
failing
our
community
oppressing
our
community
and
until
the
police
can
address
that.
Please
don't
come
around
our
community
offering
support,
because
we
cannot
really
accept
support
from
people
who
are
failing
us,
so
I
think
this
idea
of
increasing
police
in
the
face
of
aapi
hate.
I
think
this
is
a
classic
strategy
of
sewing
division
between
asian
folks
and
the
black
community.
AK
Okay
and
asian,
and
black
folks
and
boston,
share
the
same
oppressor,
which
is
institutionalized
in
systemic
racism,
and
the
police
department
is
a
symptom
of
and
systemic
racism,
so
increasing
that
is
not
going
to
help
us
there.
I
hope
politicians
can
be
a
little
bit
more
creative
when
it
comes
to
addressing
aap.
I
hate
you
know,
for
example,
you
can.
You
can
invest
in
the
api
community.
Instead,
you
can
invest
in
increase
in
anti-racist
education
and
are
in
our
public
school
system.
AK
All
those
things
will
be
wonderful.
I
don't
believe
in
allocating
more
funding
continuing
to
fund
with
my
tax
dollars
a
system
that
is
obviously
broken
a
system
that
is
obviously
part
of
the
issue
part
of
the
problem,
and
I
really
respectfully
ask
the
city
council
to
vote
against
this
budget
as
a
stance
right
now,
I
am.
I
would
like
to
make
specific
requests
along
with
that,
which
is
that
I
I
would
like
to
see
real
cuts,
significant
quantitative
cuts
to
both
the
overtime
and
the
regular
bpd
budget.
AK
A
Great,
thank
you
so
much
dr
train.
Next
up
is
domingo,
sarosa
and
then
it'll
be
igram
and
that,
I
believe,
will
be
the
last
person
for
public
testimony.
So
if
you
think
you
are
testifying
but
you're
not
currently
in
the
zoom
room,
that
would
be
the
time
to
get
there.
Domingus.
You
have
the
floor.
Good.
AL
AL
AL
We
continue
to
have
complaints
from
constituents
like
myself,
on
police
abuse
and
mistreatment
and
the
only
way
we're
going
to
adjust.
This
is
by
making
sure
that
we
reallocate
funds
to
other
programs
across
the
city
to
ensure
that
folks
receive
the
proper
support
needed
to
create
a
city
that
is
safe
for
all
bostonians
the
rampage
that
continues
to
happen
with
the
atvs
and
dirt
bikes.
It's
the
ongoing
issues
25
years
ago,
I
was
a
part
of
that
community.
AL
25
years
later,
I'm
still
a
part
of
that
community
who
continue
to
look
for
a
place
within
the
city
of
boston
to
express
ourselves
in
a
positive
manner.
I
know
that
lately,
we've
we've
allocated
several
cruisers
to
the
moakley
park
regarding
shootings
that
have
happened
while
the
youth
were
using
the
field,
specifically
the
metro,
lacrosse
program.
AL
We
want
the
same
services
across
the
city
by
allocating
funds
to
programs
such
as
metro,
lacrosse
and
all
the
pop
warner
programs
that
utilize
our
fields
across
the
city
of
boston.
So
I
agree
with
all
the
statements
made
by
constituents
in
support
of
reallocating
funds
from
the
bpd
budget
into
other
departments
across
the
city
to
provide
the
services
needed,
so
we
can
ensure
that
all
bostonians
feel
safe.
AL
I
also
like
to
add
that
we
should
have
flagmen
working
details
on
construction
sites
to
employ
some
of
our
city
constituents
to
give
them
opportunities
to
close
the
wealth
gap.
Eight
dollars
versus
276
the
achievement
gaps
in
our
schools.
We
do
not
need
police
officers
in
our
school
systems.
We
actually
need
more
mentors
and
guidance
counselors
to
assure
that
our
youngest
minds
receive
the
proper
support
needed
to
become
tomorrow's
citizens.
So
I
thank
you
for
your
opportunity
of
being
here
and
I'll
continue
to
advocate
in
the
best
way
possible.
AM
My
name
is
akram
mahmoud,
and
I
was
born
and
raised
in
boston.
I'm
shocked
and
surprised
that,
following
the
actions
of
the
bpd
in
the
past
and
specifically
the
past
year
that
our
city
officials
want
to
essentially
give
them
more
money
and
recruit
more
officers,
I
have
witnessed
the
police
brutally
attacking
a
defenseless
man
with
four
or
five
of
them
in
total
beating
on
him.
There
is
no
excuse
for
that.
AM
I've
personally
been
harassed
by
the
police
in
the
form
of
pepper
spray
and
tear
gas,
along
with
a
group
of
people
who
were
literally
doing
nothing
to
them,
except
chanting,
hands
up,
don't
shoot
time
and
time
again.
The
police's
response
to
peaceful
protesting
have
been
to
instigate
violence
and
then
blatantly
lie
and
say
they
didn't
start
it.
I
don't
even
have
to
mention
these
situations
of
high
tension
when
the
police
are
grossly
misconducting
themselves
doing
routine
work.
AM
The
definition
of
insanity
is
doing
something
over
and
over
again
and
expecting
a
different
result.
We
have
been
attempting
a
reform
for
quite
literally
hundreds
of
years.
Reform
does
not
work
here.
How
many
times
you
have
to
try
it
till
you
realize
you
failed
your
community.
That
is
all
for
my
statements
today.