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From YouTube: Committee on Ways & Means FY22Budget: BFD
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Dockets #0524-0531 Fiscal Year 2022 Budget: Boston Fire Department
Held on May 27, 2021
A
Following
this
hearing
of
the
city
council's
ways
and
means
committee
to
order
for
the
record,
my
name
is
kenzie
bach,
I'm
the
district,
8
city,
councilor
and
also
the
chair
of
ways
and
means,
and
this
hearing
is
being
recorded.
It's
being
live
streamed
at
boston.gov
city
dash,
council
dash
tv,
it's
also
broadcast
on
xfinity
channel
8,
rcm
channel
82
and
fios
channel
964..
A
This
hearing's
part
of
a
review
process
of
about
35
working
sessions
and
hearings
that
the
council
conducts
during
the
budget
season
to
hear
from
all
of
our
departments
and
as
we
consider
the
proposed
budget,
and
we
do
encourage
folks
to
come
and
testify
and
share
your
thoughts
publicly
in
in
the
zoom
here
you
can
sign
up.
If
you
go
to
bosnica
slash
budget
dash
testify,
you
also
can
submit
a
video
there
which
we
can
play
at
the
end
of
hearings.
A
You
can
send
us
written
testimony
at
ccc.wm,
ccc.wm,
boston.gov
and
on
june
3rd
at
6pm.
We'll
have
a
dedicated
public
testimony
hearing
where
you
don't
have
to
wait.
You
can
just
we'll
jump
straight
into
the
public
testimony
portion
that
evening.
So
that's
next
thursday
night.
You
can
also
informally
tweet
us
your
questions
using
the
hashtag
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that's
bos,
budget
and
to
see
our
whole
calendar.
If
you
go
to
boston
council
dash
budget,
you
can
see
all
the
hearings
that
remain
there's
still
quite
a
number
over
the
next
few
days.
A
A
B
Okay,
thank
you
madam
chair.
First.
I
would.
I
would
like
to
thank
mayor
kim
gianni
for
her
support
of
the
boston
fire
department.
I
would
also
like
to
thank
the
mayor's
staff
and
the
office
of
budget
management
for
their
diligence
and
insight.
As
we
prepare
for
fy
22
budget.
I
would
like
to
specifically
thank
jim
jim
williamson,
miriam
peckham
and
david
urkovic
for
their
assistance.
B
I
would
also
like
to
thank
my
budget
team
for
composer
deputy
commissioner
of
admin
and
finance
kathleen
judge
and
senior
budget
analyst
bill
zahr
for
their
hard
work
they
put
into
this
year's
budget
process.
I
would
also
like
to
thank
my
command
staff
members
for
their
work
in
assisting
me
with
budget
preparations
for
today's
hearings.
B
B
My
thanks
to
all
my
firefighters
and
staff,
who
showed
up
every
day
to
do
their
job.
Despite
all
the
culver
19
risks,
as
we
get
underway
for
the
upcoming
year,
fy
22
will
be
an
important
year
for
us
on
multiple
fronts,
particularly
as
we
reopen
many
sectors
of
the
economy
and
are
returning
many
employees
to
the
workplace.
B
We
must
continue
to
monitor
public
safety
and
in
in
a
new
post,
covert
environment,
the
rest
of
our
civilian
staff,
who
have
been
working
remotely
during
the
past
year.
We
will
be
returning
to
workplace
soon,
safe
safety
and
the
well-being
of
all
bfd
members.
Both
uniform
and
civilian
remains
a
top
priority.
B
B
Three
continue
the
hr
workplace
trainings
that
were
implemented
and
to
expand
on
these
trainings
throughout
the
department.
This
training
includes
respectful
workplace,
sexual
harassment
and
suicide
prevention,
and
four
expand
our
firefighter
outreach
and
recruitment
efforts
and,
finally,
five
development
of
a
fire
kinetic
program
along
with
putting
out
fires
and
responding
to
emergency
incidents.
B
B
B
B
The
team
makes
a
follow-up
visit
to
the
individual's
home
to
offer
overdose
prevention
and
treatment,
information,
support
and
services
to
the
survivor
and
their
families.
The
location
or
address
chosen
are
based
on
the
9-1-1
emergency
calls.
Each
week,
port
coordinators
review
a
list
of
addresses
in
the
city
where
the
overdoses
occurred
and
then
compile
a
list
for
follow-up
visits.
B
B
B
B
B
The
delta
car
is
also
used
on
monday
and
fridays
for
transporting
patients
from
the
paths
program,
which
is
providing
access
to
addiction,
treatment,
hope
and
support
at
774,
albany
street
two
residential
treatment
locations
and
administering
recovery
coaching.
At
the
same
time,
the
benefit
of
the
delta
car
is
is
that
we
are
practically
on
scene
for
overdose
overdoses
happening
at
molina,
cass
and
mass
ave.
B
B
Safety,
health
and
wellness,
the
safety,
health
and
wellness
of
all
all
my
members
remains
a
top
priority.
For
me,
I'm
focused
particularly
on
the
mental
health
issues
faced
by
firefighters,
the
boston
fire
fire
department
has
a
robust
employee
assistance
program.
We
also
have
a
critical
incident
stress
management
team
and
a
peer-to-peer
support
network.
B
B
B
B
B
We
currently
have
33
frontline
engines
and
21
frontline
ladder
trucks.
During
this
current
fiscal
year,
we'll
we
will
be
taking
delivery
of
three
engines.
Two
ladder
trucks
and
one
heavy
rescue
truck
a
replacement
program
in
place
will
ensure
our
firefighters,
have
functional
apparatus
and
spare
apparatus
to
protect
the
city
and
its
residents
and
save
money.
At
the
same
time,
for
the
replacement
of
firehouses,
I'm
happy
to
report
that
engine
42
rescue
2
in
egleston
square
is
nearing
completion.
B
B
B
B
B
B
So
all
our
infrastruc
infrastructure
work
is
focused
on
energy
efficiency
and
cost
savings.
An
example
is
our
hq
boiler
replacement
project.
We
have
already
seen
as
much
as
20
percent
efficiency
in
energy
consumption
for
future
projects.
We
hope
to
start
the
design
process
for
engine
3
by
the
end
of
fiscal
year
2022.
B
B
B
Recruiting
and
outreach
we
are
continuing
our
firefighter
recruiting
and
outreach
efforts.
Next
week
we
are
swearing
in
our
newest
class
of
60
recruits.
This
class
is
20
percent
minority.
Continuing
the
trend
of
the
past
several
classes,
with
nearly
a
third
of
or
more
of
each
recruit
class
with
diverse
candidates.
B
B
B
B
Last
december
2020
the
state
legislature
passed
a
home
rule
petition
for
the
boston
fire
department,
cadet
program.
I
am
assembling
an
advisory
team
and
a
working
group
which
will
be
working
to
develop
and
set
parameters
on
what
the
cadet
program
will
look
like
this
cadet
program
will
be
yet
another
tool
by
which
the
department
can
focus
and
augment
its
diversity
efforts.
B
B
The
department
has
been
expanding
its
outreach
and
recruitment
activities
for
our
recruitment
efforts.
Department
has
a
two-pronged
strategy:
one
conduct,
outreach
and
recruitment
to
eligible
age,
women
and
people
of
color
at
recruitment
fairs
through
local,
civil
and
community
organizations
and
institutions,
and
with
veterans
organizations
and
two
create
a
pipeline
for
future
candidates
by
engaging
with
boston's
youth
through
the
bfd's
teen
academy,
the
department's
community
enrichment
program
and
other
fairs
or
conferences
targeted
for
young
bostonians.
B
B
B
We
also
continue
to
attend
community
meetings,
job
fairs
and
other
outreach
events
in
every
community
in
the
city
of
boston.
Our
recruitment
office
officer
has
continued
to
focus
on
veteran
recruitment
and
veteran
outreach
to
help
identify
and
zero
in
on
our
demographics
specific
recruitment
strategy,
the
recruitment
officer
works
with
the
city's
veterans
services
department,
as
well
as
with
the
state
counterpart.
B
We
have
also
conducted
outreach
and
recruitment
with
the
nut
with
a
number
of
veterans,
organizations
and
military
recruitment
programs,
including
pays
a
program
that
helps
identify
local
and
massachusetts
veterans
who
are
transitioning
out
of
the
military,
recruit
military.
A
military
recruitment
partner
that
holds
career
career
fairs,
with
a
focus
on
veterans
enabling
the
department
to
tap
into
their
database
to
help
identify
qualified
veterans
for
our
recruitment
efforts,
hire
a
vet
which
specializes
in
career
fairs
and
employment,
opportunities
for
veterans
and
boston
area,
military
recruitment
stations.
B
B
B
B
We
also
presented
continuing
respectful
workplace
training
to
our
first
first-line
officers
at
fire
college
and
plan,
a
more
robust
and
in-depth
training
for
the
department's
junior
officer
leadership,
training
program
for
newly
promoted
lieutenants
on
other
fronts.
The
department
will
continue
to
work
on
the
following
bfd's
rules
and
policies
are
undergoing
review.
B
B
I
believe
we
have
a
strong
team
in
place
to
make
the
necessary
changes
with
the
administration's
support
for
additional
staff
and
resources.
We
will
be
even
better
positioned
to
implement
plans
going
forward.
I
am
proud
of
all
the
progress
the
department
has
made.
We
will
continue
all
this
work.
Lastly,
on
behalf
of
the
boston
fire
department,
thank
you
for
your
time
and
support,
and
I'm
now
open
for
for
any
questions.
A
Great
thank
you
so
much,
commissioner,
and,
and
I
appreciate
your
effort
to
answer
many
of
the
questions
that
we'd
sent
over
in
advance
in
your
statements.
I'm
going
to
jump
now
into
colleague
questions
I
do
want
to
acknowledge.
Just
after
the
commissioner
started,
that
we're
joined
by
councillor,
frank
baker,
district,
three
councilor,
michelle
wu
at
large,
councilor,
andre
campbell
district,
four
councillor,
matt,
o'malley
district,
six
and
our
council
president
protein
and
then
councillor
julia
mejia
at
large.
D
D
I
was
with
commissioner
dempsey
recently
for
the
funeral
of
commissioner
stapleton,
and
commissioner
dempsey
is
with
commissioner
fenn
marty
pierce,
commissioner
and
paul
christian,
but
I
I
highlight
that
because
it
shows
the
respect
that
the
city
of
boston
has
for
the
police
commissioners,
but
even
more
importantly,
for
the
boston
fire
department.
So
I
want
to
say
thank
you,
commissioner
you're,
on
a
here
a
meeting
with
me
recently
on
zoom
meeting
on
fire
safety
issues
in
homes,
especially
people
cooking,
outside
on
grills,
and
such
I
want
to
say.
Thank
you.
D
Thank
you
for
that,
commissioner,
you
started
off
acknowledging
the
health
and
wellness
program
of
of
your
firefighters.
I
think
that's.
The
most
important
part
of
the
job
is
making
sure
that
the
certainly
the
public
is
safe,
but
also
making
sure
that
the
firefighters
and
their
families
are
are
healthy
in
their
wellness
as
well.
So
thank
you
for
doing
that
and
thank
you
for
the
the
support
you
provide,
firefighters,
whether
it's
the
stress
program
or
the
or
other
programs,
and
I
know
how
effective
they
are.
D
B
B
You
know
keeping
everybody's
mind
in
the
right
place,
but
we've
done
a
great
job
and
and
we're
we're
also
partnering
with
dave
and
her
father,
doing
research
on
firefighter
decontamination
and
we're
doing
screenings
with
saint
elizabeth's
hospital
and
beth
israel
hospital
and
also
follow
up
with
mass
general
on
cancer
studies,
so
we're
doing
a
an
awful
lot
behind
the
scenes.
That's
that
keeping
everybody
healthy.
D
Thank
you,
commissioner.
I
know
just
a
couple
of
other
issues.
I
know
you
highlighted.
Engine
free
in
the
south
end
is
on
track.
2020.
That's
that's
critical!
That's
important!
That's
a
great
accomplishment
for
the
city
for
the
fight
department
for
the
residents
of
the
south
end
and
roxbury,
and
the
back
bay
area.
Commissioner,
I
know
you
and
I
talked
in
the
past-
and
I
talked
about
this
with
commissioner
finn
as
well.
D
I
think
we
desperately
need
a
fire
presence
in
the
south
boston
waterfront,
I'm
concerned
as
this
economy
opens
up
and
our
city
opens
up
again
in
traffic,
certainly,
but
we
we
need
to
have
a
fire
presence
in
the
south
boston
waterfront.
I'm
gonna
stress
that
going
forward
to
the
bpda
that
we
need
to
do
a
better
job
of
planning
and
designing
and
coming
up
identifying
a
site,
and
that's
that's
critical
for
the
residents
of
of
the
the
the
waterfront,
the
fort
point.
B
So
I
think
that's
a
great
point
you
bring
up,
and
I
know
it's
been
brought
up
before,
even
though
it's
not
directly
on
the
radar
for
buildings
but
similar
to
the
purchase
street
firehouse
and
in
our
talks
with
wentworth.
I
think
there
have
been
talks
to
build
a
firehouse
similar
to
that
and
probably
police
station
as
well.
B
You
know
the
trap
as
soon
as
covert
is
done
with
here.
Traffic
is
gonna
pick
up
and
and
what
we
found
out
over
the
past
year
is
they've,
been
doing
a
lot
of
work,
we're
putting
in
bike
lanes
and
and
moving
the
track
traffic
out
a
little
and
that's
restricting
the
streets
which
is
going
to
slow
response
down
and
and
our
access.
So
I
think
it
would
be
beneficial
if
we
had
a
firehouse
in
the
seaport
district.
B
So,
yes,
I
agree
with
you.
The
other
part
is
funding,
and
this
past
year
I
had
attempted
to
put
one
of
the
two
districts
that
we
had
taken
out.
District
chiefs,
which
is
would
be
a
total
of
four
district
chiefs
per
district
funding.
Wasn't
there.
I
was
pretty
disappointed
in
that
because
I
didn't
think
I
think
it
was
excessive,
but
but
it
was
critical,
so
I
will
continue
this
year.
B
D
B
Yeah,
so
the
what
what
happens
with
that
is
we
we
look
at
all
the
data
and
and
in
the
winter
time
we
we
don't
stand
it
up,
because
the
numbers
are
way
down
so
summertime.
The
numbers
are
way
up.
We
will
be
starting
out,
probably
within
the
next
two
weeks
it.
It
has
been
very
effective
because,
like
I
said
and
when
I
was
just
mentioning
a
lot
of
that
problem,
those
incidents
are
right
out
in
front
of
our
headquarters
and
and
they're
right
on
scene.
B
A
F
Thank
you,
madam
chair
and
good
morning
to
the
commissioner
and
his
team,
and
I
just
want
to
take
a
brief
opportunity
to
thank
him
for
his
service
and
commitment
to
the
city
and
during
his
tenure,
obviously
on
the
boston
fire
department
and
through
the
various
departments
and
divisions
that
he
oversaw.
He
is,
I
believe,
the
most
experienced
firefighter
we
have
in
the
city
and
his
attention
to
detail
right
out
of
the
gate
on
the
diversity
and
recruitment
issue
on
the
firework
fiasco.
F
My
two
big
issues,
obviously
that
everyone's
familiar
with
and
that
this
acting
administration
has
not
addressed
yet
is
we're
down.
Two
chief
cars
we've
got
a
gas
pipeline
out
the
southwest
corridor
and
we
also
have
the
longwood
medical
area,
our
hospitals,
the
epicenter,
arguably
of
our
city
and
with
restoring
those
two
chief
cars.
We
also
get
the
benefit
of
added
diversity
and
decision-making
positions
with
respect
to
deputies,
captains,
lieutenants
etc.
F
As
our
first
responders
and
a
number,
a
significant
number
of
your
members
came
down
with
covet
doing
their
job.
They
didn't
have
the
opportunity
to
work
from
home.
They
had
to
respond
to
those
9-1-1
calls
which
arguably
were
very
voluminous
throughout
the
pandemic.
But
in
addition
to
that,
real
estate
hasn't
stopped
and
residential
closings
haven't
stopped.
So
what
is
it
that
we
can
do
commission
to
help
you
and
give
you
the
resources
in
your
team,
particularly
in
pr
fire
prevention
and
when
folks
are
trying
to
get
a
certificate
of
occupancy?
F
And
you
know
cfo
in
in
the
carbon
monoxide
and
the
smoke
detectors.
I
know
that
that
division,
in
particular,
is,
is
understaffed
and
overworked,
and
just
trying
to
keep
up
with
the
flow
and,
as
we
continue
to
open
up
you're
going
to
start
to
see
more
real
estate
activity
happening,
and
we
need
to
make
sure
that
you
know
those
real
estate
transactions
indoor.
You
know
buildings
that
are
seeking
cfo,
so
we
can
get
people
into
homes
keeps
up
with
the
pace
of
that,
and
I
know
that
they're
inundated.
F
I
know
I
get
calls
regularly
with
respect
to
helping
folks
kind
of
get
an
expedited
inspection.
So
what
is
it?
I
think
that
we
can
do
in
this
budget,
because,
if
it's
not
in
this
budget,
I
can't
back
that.
You
know
we're
seeing
a
budget
where
we
have
a
bloated
transportation
situation
with
our
boston,
public
schools.
We've
got
unlicensed
counselors,
we
boast
of
sort
of
being
environmentally
sound,
but
we
don't
have
a
a
bona
fide
tree
planting
and
tree
pruning
division.
F
F
So
that's
it
in
a
nutshell-
and
this
isn't
on
you,
commission,
because
I
know
the
great
work
that
you
do
and
and
and
your
attention
to
detail,
but
there's
a
couple
issues
here
that
need
to
be
addressed
for
me
to
turn
around
and
be
willing
to
support
this
budget.
In
addition
to
some
of
the
others
that
I've
mentioned
in
this
more
so
this
acting
administration
is
aware
of
these
issues
because
they
have
participated
in
these
hearings.
They
know
that
we're
down
two
chiefs
cars.
F
They
know
that
we
have
an
opportunity
in
the
backflow
supporting
those
two
chief
cars
that
we
could
add
instantly.
We
could
add
significant
diversity
in
decision-making
positions,
but
everyone
wants
to
continue
to
ignore
that
and
obviously,
then
we
want
to
make
sure
that,
over
at
fire
prevention,
we're
giving
you
the
tools
that
you
need
and
as
well
as
the
capital
making
sure
that
we're
making
significant
strides
to
get
these
firehouses
up
to
standard.
Many
of
them
are
in
horrific
condition.
F
Due
to
you
know,
you
know
the
menino
administration,
ignoring
the
building
conditions
and
making
sure
that
you
have
the
equipment
in
the
most
up-to-date
technology.
You
know
life-saving
technology,
quite
frankly
for
the
public
and
also
for
your
members.
Keeping
your
members
safe
and
you've.
You've
made
that
a
priority.
B
Thank
you,
council.
I
will
I
I
had
written
up
a
proposal
for
for
both
district
chiefs,
both
cars,
cara,
10
and
car
five
to
be
restored.
I
I
can
resubmit
that
in
those
numbers,
as
far
as
fire
prevention
goes
yes,
so
culver
didn't
slow
down
the
sale
of
property
in
the
city.
In
fact,
it
seemed
like
it
picked
up.
B
What
we
have
done
is
is
to
move
some
people
from
other
units
over
there
to
to
help
help
them
out
to
catch
up
the
the
one
thing
that
we
have
done-
and
this
was
before
my
time
over
there
in
fact,
was
that
our
smoke
certs
are
good
for
90
days.
The
regular
state,
the
whole
state
is
on
their
certs
they're,
only
good
for
60
days.
So
a
lot
of
the
problems
that
you
get
with
people
with
realtors
or
whatever
calling
is
because
they
don't
file
for
the
appointment
early
enough.
B
You
know
I've
talked
to
talked
to
hundreds
of
them
and
said:
look
when
you
do
a
purchase
and
sale
apply
for
the
smoke.
Sir.
You
know
it's
good
for
90
days.
Usually
the
place
closes
within
that
time
period,
but
some
of
them
wait
till
the
last
minute.
We've
even
had
people
had
realtors
tell
me
that
fight
prevention
people
should
not
be
allowed
to
take
vacation
and
that
they
should
get
their
appointment
done,
so
they
can
go
to
martha's,
vineyard
or
nantucket
for
the
long
weekend.
B
A
G
Thank
you.
I
I
want
to
thank
commissioner
dempsey
and
his
team
for
a
really
thorough
presentation
and
answering
many
of
our
questions.
I
I
learned
something
this
budget
process.
I
learned
so
much.
Every
time
I
sit
through
one
of
these
hearings,
I'm
very
impressed
with
the
the
program.
You
know
the
post
overdose,
recovery,
team
and
and
the
follow-up
that's.
That
seems
I
never
think
of
that
as
being
part
of
the
remit
of
the
fire
department,
but
it's
very
valuable
and
important
work.
G
So
a
few
questions
I
had
with
regard
to
the
training
center
on
108
holton
street
in
allston,
or
is
it
brighton
either
north
it's
north
of
the
pike
anyway?
I
understand
that
there
with
redevelopment
in
that
area
that
that
the
fire
department
had
had
agreed
agreed
to
leave
that
facility
in
the
near
future,
and
I
just
wondered
what
what
plans
there
were
for
relocating,
not
training
with
that
training
facility
and.
G
Just
to
get
an
update
on
that
because
I
think
they're
trying
to
re-route
connect
telford
street
because
it
has
to
go
through
the
building
to
connect
one
end
of
telford
street
with
the
other.
So
yeah,
that's
one
question
and-
and
the
other
question
I
had
was
really
with
regard
to
you-
know
in
austin
brighton
we're
seeing
a
huge
amount
of
new
development.
G
I
think
we're
we're
looking
at
like
10
000,
new
units
of
housing
and
at
the
mo
you
know
in
in
built
already
or
in
in
in
the
permitting
process,
and
so
we
have
three
fire
houses.
We
have
union
square
oak
square
and
chestnut
hill.
I
was
wondering-
and
they
asked
this
every
year
where
we
are
with
evaluating
the
need
for
additional
fire
houses,
or
are
we
adequately
provided
for
at
this
moment?
B
B
G
B
B
B
I
just
you
know
we
we
could
use
a
thousand
more
firefighters
and-
and
I
know
that's
not
going
to
happen
so
I'm
just
trying
to
be
realistic
and
if
we
see
things
pick
up
in
brighton,
we'll
certainly
look
at
whether
even
if
we
need
something
temporary
out
there,
we
could
arrange
for
that.
But
but
at
this
time
we're
maintaining.
H
Thank
you
very
much
ma'am
chair
and
thank
you,
commissioner,
for
being
with
us
this
morning
and
giving
such
a
thorough
presentation
and
overview
of
the
work
of
your
department.
I
apologize
that
I
am
not
on
camera
just
I
do
have
a
couple
questions,
but
I
want
to
follow
up
on
counselor,
braden's
question
or
remark
that
resulted
in
your
response
of
needing
a
thousand
more
firefighters.
Is
there
an
actual
ask
or
request
or
appropriate
number
of
additional
firefighters?
We
need
to
have
an
appropriately
sized
and
appropriately
responsive
firefighting
force.
B
But
when
many
many
states
and
cities
were
not
putting
on
any
classes
we
were
able
to
and
we
got
through
the
whole
pandemic
without
any
of
those
recruits
getting
sick,
so
that,
if,
if
we
hadn't
done
that
we
would
have
been
another
60
people
short,
so
we're
just
trying
to
keep
up
with
the
whole
process
and
and
that's
difficult
as
enough.
It
takes
takes
months
to
get
a
class
on
and
get
it
through.
B
H
No,
no,
so
I
I
understand
and
appreciate
that
the
thousand
isn't
is
just
you
know,
it
was
a
point
to
emphasize
a
need.
So
I
am
curious
and
if
at
some
point
we
could
just
follow
up
with
what
actually
is
that
the
real
need
when
we
think
about
a
an
appropriately
sized
department
with
frontline?
You
know,
firefighters.
H
I
also
just
you
know,
speaking
of
which
I
just
want
to
say
that
I'm
thinking
about
you
and
the
men
and
women
of
boston
fire
and
the
residents
that
were
impacted-
and
I
know
several
of
your
firefighters
were
perhaps
injured
yesterday
and
so
know
that
the
city
council's
thoughts
are
with
your
members
and
certainly
the
residents
that
were
impacted
by
yesterday's
seven
alarm.
Fire.
B
Thank
you.
I
appreciate
that
so
and-
and
I
you
know,
that's
a
good
example
yesterday
of
of
how
well
the
boston
fire
department
is,
is
actually
funded
and
maintained,
and
that
we
were
able
to
have
a
seminal
alarm
fires
over
150
firefighters
on
scene,
not
to
mention
how
how
much
apparatus
was
there
and
other
support
units.
B
H
B
B
B
We
would
need
more
staffing.
Obviously,
if
we
put
you
know
the
two
district
chief
cars
back
in
service,
if
we're
looking
to
you
know,
raise
the
amount
of
people
over
at
fire
prevention
who
do
all
the
inspections
which
helps
the
city
build
and
and
a
lot
of
those
inspections
are,
are
required
under
mass
general
laws.
So
you
know
like
day
care
inspections,
school
inspections.
B
B
As
far
as
the
cancer
to
our
safety,
health
and
wellness
division,
they're
doing
an
outstanding
job.
We've
got
studies
going
on
with
mass
general
saint
elizabeth's,
beth,
israel,
all
working
along
those
lines
we
have
people
looking
at
post-traumatic
stress
suicide
prevention
is,
is
something
that's
that's
coming
to
the
forefront
and
and
we're
going
to
have
programs
on
that.
So
we're
doing
a
lot
of
work
as
far
as
that
goes
legislation-wise.
B
I
know
there's
something
with
the
kova
19
that's
being
proposed,
and
you
know
I
I
mean
I
think
as
far
as
cover
19
goes:
it's
not
just
firefighters
exposed
or
ems
people
expose
it's.
You
know
the
whole.
Everybody
has
been
affected
by
this,
so
I
love
extra
attention,
but
I
don't
you
know
we're
doing
our
job
and
and
and
being
pre
we're
protected
doing
our
job.
So
I
don't.
I
don't
see
a
need
for
that.
B
Most
people
we've
we've
had,
I
think,
223
people
who
were
tested
positive
for
covet
over
the
course
of
the
the
pandemic
and
everybody
has
recovered
and
gone
back
to
work.
So
I
don't
see
a
long
term.
I
don't
see
long-term
effects
that
that
are
impacting
the
boston
fire
department
from
cover
19.
At
this
point,
I'm
not
sure
if
I
answered
your
questions
fully.
Yeah.
H
B
B
H
I
In
your
initial
statement,
you,
you
covered
a
lot
of
what
I
was
going
to
ask
and
then
and
then
also
counselor
flynn.
You
know
had
asked
about
the
we're
all
concerned
about
the
seaport
making
sure
that
they
have
coverage
down
there.
You
would
you
had
spoke
about
the
the
district
chiefs
that
you're
well
aware
of
it
and
that
and
that
you're
advocating
for
that,
can
you
get
into
the
delta
car
a
little
bit
more?
Commissioner,
you
said
it's
coming
back
in
two
weeks.
I
B
B
It
serves
a
great
purpose
right,
oh
yeah
and
you've.
I
know
you've
been
up
here
because
I
met
you
over
here
and
you
see
what
we're
up
against,
but
these
people
you
know
having
the
delta
car
work
out
of
headquarters,
we're
right
on
scene.
I
know
I
don't.
I
can't
tell
you
how
many
people
would
probably
many
lives
would
save
by
that
unit
being
there.
B
That
being
said,
the
the
summer
time
is
when
activity
actually
picks
up.
You
know
in
the
area,
so
so
that's
more
effective.
Then
we
pay
overtime
to
staff
that
car
and
it's
all
on
grant
money,
but
we
have
to
watch.
You
know
that
you
know
we
have
to
use
it
when
it's
effective
and
and
it's
in
the
winter
months
it's
not
as
critical.
We
still
so
when
they're
tied
up
at
latter
four
engine,
14
engine,
three
engine,
22
they're,
going
to
respond
to
the
area
too.
B
I
B
B
So
it's
the
knock
and
talk
program
that
so
the
delta
card
doesn't
do
the
follow-ups
itself.
They
do
even
though
they're
the
same
members
manning
the
delta
car
but
they're
the
knock
and
talk
program,
so
they
they
go
out
and
and
do
the
follow-ups,
but
the
delta
car
would
stay
here
and
and
respond
to.
You
know:
opioid
yeah,
yeah,.
B
Yes,
okay
and
you
can
because
the
the
you
know
the
we
get.
This
problem
isn't
just
here,
it's
all
over
the
city,
and
so
if,
if
a
fire
truck
goes
to
an
incident
in
west
roxbury
and
and
the
the
knock
and
talk
program
would
follow
up
by
going
to
the
individual's
home
and-
and
you
know
so
so
that
that
gets
done
all
week,
all
those
numbers
get
put
together
coordinated
and
then
the
knock
and
talk
people
go
out
and
and
do
their
thing.
I
Yeah,
maybe
maybe,
as
an
aside,
if,
if
I
can,
you
know,
ask
a
question
that
maybe
the
chair
can
follow
up
if
we
can
get,
maybe
just
a
a
a
sense
of
of
how
many
interactions
they're
having
commissioner,
you
know-
and
I
don't
need
that
in
this,
just
as
a
follow-up
email
down
the
line
and-
and
you
had
mentioned
that
we
were
able
to
have
a
class
of
60
last
year-
and
you
mentioned
it
in
conjunction
with
retirements.
So
what
do
we
have
for
retirements
last
year?
And
what
do
we
foresee
this
year?.
I
B
No,
so
the
one
worth
building
is
just
going
to
replace
engine
37
out
of
26.
yeah.
It's
it's!
It's
going
to
be
right
next
door
to
it
and
it'll
be
a
better
access,
better,
better
space
for
us
to
get
out
of
the
firehouse,
a
bigger
apron
and
everything
and
it'll
be
a
new
modern
firehouse.
You
know
so
it
you
know
we
haven't
lost
a
lot
of
truck,
so
I'm
not
sure.
I
B
Well,
with
the
knock
and
talk
and
we've
distributed,
2
700
plus
units
in
narcan
to
to
boston,
public
health,
ems
and
and
boston
police
department
for
and
others,
so
that
you
know,
we
distribute
that
and
we've
also
trained
123
people
on
how
to
administer
narcan
we've
also
helped
85
plus
people
into
treatment.
So
pretty.
B
I
As
far
as
our
our
apparatus
is
concerned,
those
are
really
good:
workplace,
training,
recruitment
and
then
can
we
talk
a
little
bit
about
the
the
cadet
program
like
how
we,
how
are
we
going
to,
as
as
the
city
your
department,
the
the
the
union
and
the
administration
and
city
council
like
how
do
we
put
together
a
cadet
program?
What
do
you
foresee
where,
where
the
stakeholders
all
feel
like
they
they
have,
they
have
buy-in
like
and
in
particular
the
the
unions
like.
What
are
we
going
to?
B
Well,
I
think
everybody,
you
know,
I
think
everybody
will
have
a
say
it's
it's
we're,
starting
from
ground
zero
on
this
so
yeah,
it's
it's
a
big
project
and
right
now
I
have
to
find
ways
to
fund
putting
these
having
these
groups
actually
do
the
work
yeah
nobody's
gonna,
do
it
on
their
own
time
and
yeah,
because
no,
I
don't
have
anybody
that,
as
we've
been
talking
about
administrative
help,
I
don't
have
people
that
can
just
focus
on
that
as
a
full-time
job.
Right
now,.
I
I
A
J
A
little
slow,
hey
thank
you,
madam
chair,
and
thank
you,
commissioner,
and
I
echo,
of
course,
the
comments
from
my
fellow
council
colleagues
to
your
men
and
women
on
the
in
the
department
for
their
incredible
work,
particularly
with
respect
to
that
big
fire
and
facing
street.
So
thank
you
of
course,
express
that
to
you
and
just
thank
you
for
the
work
this
year
in
the
midst
of
the
pandemic.
J
J
The
chief
positions-
I
know
council
of
flaherty
spoke
a
lot
on
that
we
were
actually
advocating
together
at
one
point
to
mayor
walsh
on
those
positions
and
also
as
a
way
to
diversify.
Frankly,
the
department
even
more
so
I
just
want
to
echo
my
the
comments
of
my
fellow
council
colleagues.
On
that
anything,
I
can
do
to
support
you
and
filling
those
positions.
Let
me
know
inspections.
I
know
that
comes
up.
Quite
a
bit
too
and
came
up
today
we
get
calls
emails.
Folks
are
trying
to
close.
J
Your
city
is
costing
me
more
money
and
I'm
like
hold
on.
Let
me
call
someone
in
the
department,
so
anything
we
can
do
to
be
able
to
speed
up
that
process.
Also,
you
know
here
to
partner
in
the
work.
I
did
hear
some
of
the
responses
to
the
previous
council
council.
Colleagues,
so
won't
drag
on
the
point
and
then
on
the
fire
cadet
program.
I
know,
council
baker
asked
some
questions.
Thank
you
for
the
follow-up
and
putting
together
a
working
group.
J
I
know
we
talked
right
after
connecting
with
the
union,
the
vulcans
and
your
intentionality,
and
wanting
to
bring
together
frankly
everybody
to
be
at
the
table
to
craft
a
program
that
will
work
for
the
fire
department.
That
may,
of
course,
look
different
from
what
is
at
the
police
department,
so
I'll
continue
to
stay
in
touch
with
you
on
that.
A
couple
of
questions,
or
one
in
particular,
is
racial
equity
training.
There
was
five
hundred
thousand
dollars.
That
was,
this
might
have
been
a
budget
or
two
budgets
ago.
Where
are
we
with
that?
J
B
I
believe
that
would
have
been
for
the
rpm
solutions,
training
which
was
a
respectful
workplace
training
and
if
that
and
if
that's
actually,
what
we're
talking
about
that
training
has
been
going
on
all
year
and
and
it's
gonna
continue.
But
you
know
there
were
restrictions
with
culverts,
so
rpm
solutions
which
was
hired
by
the
city.
They
picked
that
that
contractor.
B
J
Okay,
now
we
can
follow
and
get
more
details,
because
I
wasn't
sure
there
was
just
the
allocation
was
made
by
the
waltz
administration.
I
know
is
500
000
the
council
approved,
so
I
think
it
might
be
the
same
thing,
I'm
not
sure
so.
Who
who
selects
the
vendor
is
that
through
the
racial
equity
office,
I.
B
J
Can
definitely
follow
up
to
get
a
sense
of
just
who's,
doing
it
the
curriculum?
All
of
that,
because
this
is
the
first
I'm
hearing
about
it.
I
think
I
think
it
actually
speaks
to
how
important
it
is.
That
departments
also
be
connected
to
city
hall
in
a
greater
way
when,
when
pushing
for
certain
programs
and
initiatives
to
be
run
through
the
department,
so
we'll
definitely
follow
up
on
that.
J
B
J
K
So
the
overtime
has
gone
up.
We
actually
did
get
an
increase
in
the
overtime
because
they
restored
it
back
to
pre-pandemic.
So
we've
got
about
three
million
dollars
more
in
overtime.
We
have
seen
an
uptick
in
in
overtime
as
a
result
of
minimum
staffing,
so
they
call
it
division
strength
and
in
order
to
make
sure,
as
the
commissioner
has
described,
that
you
have
one
in
three,
which
is
one
officer
and
three
firefighters
on
every
piece
of
apparatus.
K
The
third
person,
in
many
cases
of
the
firefighters,
is
a
person
on
overtime.
So
we
have.
We
are
under
staff
because
it's
supposed
to
describe
we're
behind
on
replacing
due
to
retirements,
and
we
do
see
retirements
in
a
couple
places,
usually
in
january,
so
right
after
they
get
their
vacation
awarded,
they
then
retire,
but
we
also
see
them
in
the
summer
time
and
then,
of
course,
there's
mandatory
retirements,
depending
on
your
when
you
reach
65..
K
J
L
K
J
This
is
helpful
all
right.
This
is
that's
what
I
have
for
right
now
and
I
want
to
be
mindful
of
time
so
I'll
I'll
pass
it
on
to
my
council
colleagues
to
be
respectful
of
time.
So.
Thank
you,
commissioner.
Thank
you,
of
course,
to
your
team
and
bernie.
I
see
you
as
well,
so
thank
all
of
you
for
being
on
and,
of
course,
to
the
minimum
department.
Thank
you.
A
A
M
Thank
you,
counselor
flynn,
good
afternoon,
commissioner
dempsey,
to
your
incredible
team.
It's
great
to
be
with
you.
Obviously
I
think
all
of
us.
I
don't
want
to
take
up
too
much
time,
but
want
to
acknowledge,
as
all
of
my
colleagues
has
have,
the
incredible
bravery
of
boston's
brightest,
the
men
and
women
of
boston
fire
department.
All
we
need
to
see
was
a
seven
alarm
yesterday
and
just
the
fact
that
guys
were
out
there.
M
It
was
an
incredibly
hot
day,
obviously
incredibly,
incredibly
dangerous
work,
and
I'm
just
really
grateful
to
all
of
your
colleagues
in
the
department
and
know
that
we
send
our
love
and
support
in
prayers
during
incidents
like
that
and
they
happen
all
too
frequently.
I
don't
have
too
many
questions.
I
would
also
reiterate
some
of
the
statements
that
were
made
as
it
relates
to
staffing
levels,
particularly
some
of
the
cheap
positions
count
me
in
among
the
chorus
to
do
what
we
can
to
advocate
for
that.
M
Obviously,
the
city's
population
has
grown,
the
city's
real
estate
has
grown,
and
we
need
to
make
sure
that
our
public
safety
entities
keep
up
with
that.
So
I'm
delighted
to
support
that
any
way
I
can
in
my
final
year
on
the
council,
my
final
budget
and
I'm
very
excited
to
be
with
you,
commission,
your
team
at
the
eglson
square
square
groundbreaking.
This
fall,
that's
something!
That's
just
really
wonderful!
M
I
love
the
fact
that
you
noted
that
it's
going
to
be
probably
be
won't
quite
be
net
zero
carbon,
but
it's
going
to
be
one
of
the
greenest
fire
stations,
certainly
in
the
city,
probably
in
new
england,
and
that's
a
nice
dovetail-
and
this
is
probably
a
question
for
kathleen.
I
noticed
that
there's
about
a
half
a
million
dollar
decrease
in
utilities.
L
K
Some
of
them
include
no
flush
toilets,
in
other
words
the
toilets
flush
automatically.
As
the
commissioner
mentioned,
the
boiler
replacement
at
headquarters
anytime,
you
replace
any
of
these
utilities.
You
obviously
try
to
invest
in
those
that
can
be
energy
efficient.
So
we
try
to
do
that.
Of
course,
we're
doing
that
at
engine
42
anytime.
We
can
build
a
new
firehouse
and
do
a
lead
silver
project.
K
It
will
include
automatically
energy
efficient
resources,
so
we
do
look
to
implement
all
of
those
on
a
regular
basis
and
we've
done
very
well
and
have
improved
our
efficiency.
The
other
thing
that
we
implemented
with
respect
to
utilities,
because
utilities
is
not
just
your
energy
consumption,
but
it's
also
fuel,
and
we
have
a
fuel
management
system
in
place
that
you
can
only
use
a
fob
if
you,
if
you
have
the
fob
so
that
it
will
not
lead
to
anyone
just
pulling
up
to
a
firehouse
and
using
the
the
gas
receptacle.
M
That's
great
and
I
look
forward
in
the
years
ahead
to
even
continue
to
save
more
to
advocate
for
electric
vehicles
for
the
non
the
non-fire
trucks.
I'm
talking
about
the
sedans
that
some
of
your
colleagues
may
use
a
switch
to
electric.
Obviously
I
don't
think
we're
quite
I
look
forward
to
the
day
when
we
can
have
eevee
fire
trucks,
but
right
now
it
probably
is
too
large
of
a
machinery
to
accommodate
that.
M
Well,
but
that's
exciting
and
again,
saving
nearly
half
a
million
dollars
in
utility
costs
over
a
year
is
just
a
remarkable
statistic
and
underscores
the
fact
that
every
fiscal
conservative
ought
to
be
an
environmentalist
because
you
will
say
save
taxpayers
money
so
well
done
there
and
then
commission
I'm
curious.
I
ask
this
every
year
and
I'm
particularly
interested
this
year
in
terms
of
trends
that
we
see.
M
Obviously,
buildings
are
being
built
safer
typically,
but
we're
also
seeing
other
trends
sort
of
in
terms
of
fires
that
may
exist.
I'm
curious
what
our
numbers
look
like,
and
you
touched
upon
this
earlier
a
little
bit
given
the
fact
that
this
was
such
a
unique
14
months
that
we've
had
people
at
home.
More
often
any
any
trends
that
we
saw
in
boston
or
perhaps
in
other
major
cities
as
it
relates
to
the
number
of
fires,
the
severity
of
the
fires,
etc.
B
I've
been
on
working
groups
with
with
the
contractors
and
developers
and
architects
on
how
to
protect
these
type
of
sites
during
construction.
So
a
lot
has
been
done
on
that
and
yeah.
So
so
we've
made
a
lot
of
strides
there,
but
over
the
course
of
this
past
winter
we've
had
some
serious
fires
on
existing
buildings.
A
lot
of
them
were
the
rear
porches,
and
it's
just
you
know.
B
B
Let's
kayla's
disposal,
you
know
people,
people
don't
realize
they
try,
they
flick
the
cigarette
off
the
they
try
to
flick
it
off
the
balcony
or
off
the
porch
rather,
and
it
ends
up
blowing
back
in
and
it
sits
there,
for
you
know,
could
sit
there
for
two
hours.
They
go
back
to
bed
and
next
thing
you
know
it.
B
The
rear,
porches
are
going
in
and
a
lot
of
these
rear
porches
are
rolled
and-
and
you
know
the
the
woods
dried
out
and
and
so
it
doesn't
take
much
and
once
that
gets
going,
it's
it's
pretty
pretty
spectacular
fire,
but
but
you
know
we
work
on
that.
All
the
time
on
basic
back
to
basics,
training,
and
especially
our
units
out
in
district,
seven
district,
eight
they've
become
they
become
expert
at
and
knocking
these
down
quickly.
Sure
so
yesterday
was
a
good
example.
We're.
B
M
Well
said
I
will,
I
will
close
with
with
two
points,
one
again
just
to
sort
of
reiterate.
I
had
brought
this
up
earlier,
just
just
the
staffing
levels,
particularly
as
it
relates
to
car
10.
In
my
district,
we
have
much
to
the
chagrin
of
many
members
of
the
community,
a
750
ps
line
pipeline.
You
know
this
well
commish,
we've
spoken
at
length,
you
and
your
team
have
been
very
supportive,
but
it
is
a
real
concern
because
it
runs
parallel
with
an
act
of
quarry.
M
B
You
I
just
want
to
comment
quickly
on
the
pipeline
and
then
the
quarry.
So
of
course,
yes,
you
may
know
this
already,
but
anytime
they
blast
out
there,
those
the
numbers
are
taken
and
reviewed
and
sent
into
fire
prevention
and
and
all
those
numbers
that
are
well
well
below
anything
that
would
affect
the
pipeline.
So
you
know
I
know
I
know
if
you're
living
out
there
and
you're
on
there.
It's
people
are
nervous
about
it,
but
there
was
a
lot
of
study
on
into
that
and
and
continuous.
B
M
M
I
don't
mean
to
create
a
false
panic,
because
that
would
be
irresponsible,
but
we
have
seen
similar
situations
and
that's
the
whole
reason
why
I
look
forward
to
continuing
to
see
the
city
move
away
from
fossil
fuels,
as
you
have
illustrated
a
great
way
that
you've
been
able
to
do
so
and
as
we
need
to
do
as
a
city.
So
I
appreciate
that.
Thank
you,
madam
chair.
Okay,.
A
L
Good
morning,
all
thank
you,
commissioner,
for
your
thought,
your
thorough
and
very
thoughtful
presentation,
and
you
answered
most
of
our
a
lot
of
our
questions.
So
you
get
an
a
for
that
and
you're
you
set
the
gold
standard
for
what
other
departments
need
to
do
when
they
come
in
front
of
this
body.
So
thank
you
for
for
for
all
your
hard
work
and
service
here
to
our
great
city.
So
I
only
have
a
few
questions.
I'm
just
curious.
L
You
talked
about
in
the
recruitment
and
outreach
efforts,
I'm
just
curious.
What
are
we
doing
to
increase
the
number
of
diverse
recruits
from
20
to
something
much
higher?
I.
You
also
mentioned
that
the
percentage
of
minority
and
women
candidates
increased
from
20
from
the
2018
exam,
and
do
you
know
how
much
that
increased
by
and
then
my
I
have
two
more
questions,
I'll
just
throw
them
all
out
before
my
time
runs.
L
There
are
currently
no
women
in
the
top
10
earners
within
the
the
fire
department
and
only
one
person
of
color.
So
I'm
curious.
What
are
we
doing
to
not
only
hire
more
diverse
fire
fighters
but
to
create
more
professional
development
opportunities
through
the
force
and
then?
Lastly,
it's
I'm
so
encouraged
and
it's
great
to
hear
the
number
of
supports
for
our
first
responders
to
address
mental
health
and
trauma
and
I'm
curious
to
learn
how
many
members
of
the
department
have
taken
up
these
services.
L
B
Okay,
so
let
me
let
me
start
with
the
the
high
earners,
so
the
the
the
promotional
system
goal
you
know
is,
in
my
opinion,
is
as
fair
as
you
can
possibly
get.
Every
every
person
has
given
the
same
opportunity
same
material
to
read,
and
if
you
put
the
effort
in
you're
going
to
get
promoted,
that's
how
it
goes.
It's
a
it's
a
competitive
thing
and
it's
got
nothing
to
do.
In
my
opinion,
it's
got
nothing
to
do
with
anything
other
than
hard
work.
B
They've
been
black
firefighters
who
reached
the
level
of
deputy
chief
and
district
chief
who,
and
then
they
retired,
just
like
the
white
guys
they
they
retire
and,
and
you
don't
always
it's
who's
up.
Next,
it's
going
to
replace
them.
It's
not!
You
know,
there's
not
a
numbers
thing
like
that.
So
so
that's
that's
very
difficult
for
us
to.
B
We
can't
regulate
that,
and,
and
the
beauty
of
our
promotional
system
is
that
if
you
study
hard
and
you
come
out
number
one
and
then
there's
to
somebody
retires
or
dies,
unfortunately,
and
there's
a
promotion
you're
going
to
get
it,
we
don't
care
who
you
are
so
it's
got
nothing
to
do
with
race
agenda,
it's
who's
up
next
on
the
list
and-
and
it
doesn't
even
matter
whether
we
like
you
or
or
dislike
you
we're
going
to
promote
you.
So
so
it's
very
it's
a
very
fair
system.
B
B
So
we
go
through
all
the
firefighters
first.
So
that's
a
detail
that
needs
to
be
filled
and
the
deputy
chief
will
work
it
at
the
firefighter
rate.
So
these
guys
so
with
the
paid
details,
we
have
a
lot
of
them
and
anybody
can
you
know
somebody's
that
energetic
and
have
that
much
you
know
wants
to.
They
can
really
they
can
get
climb
up
close
to
the
top
of
that
with
with
detailed
money.
B
B
B
I
have
note
that
this
we
are
very
strict
all
the
way
across
the
board
for
everybody
that
applies
so
residency,
drug
testing,
the
whole
thing
everybody
is
treated
exactly
the
same
and
and
and
if
you
you
come
in
and
and
you
get
through
everything
you're
you're
on.
So
the
other
issue
is
so
we
we
use
the
language
list
and
that's
sometimes
you
know.
L
B
I
you
know,
I
don't
know
what
the
success
rate
is
on
that
I
I
just
know
we
don't
have.
You
know
a
lot
of
people
leaving
because
of
because
of
it,
but
but
there
is
a
lot
of
the
veterans
that
are
coming,
do
have
post-traumatic
stress
and,
and
so
that's
something
that
we're
dealing
with
every
day.
We
have
a
peer
peer-to-peer
support
group,
which
is
people
within
the
firehouse
who
they
can
go
to
that.
B
That's
not
even
part
of
the
eap
and
and
that
resolves
a
lot
of
issues
right
there
if
they
get
somebody
that
talked
to
that,
that's
on
the
same
level
as
them,
or
that
there
is
some,
I
think,
there's
somewhat
of
a
stigma
of
going
to
the
eap.
You
know-
and
you
certainly
don't
want
people
to
know
that
you
know
that
type
of
thing
is
very
personal.
What
people
are
going
through
in
their
own
lives,
so
we
encourage
people
anytime.
B
L
And
I
know
that
the
gavel
was
probably
right
over
my
head
at
this
point,
but
I
just
wanted
to
say
thank
you
so
very
much
to
your
entire
team
for
all
your
hard
work.
We're
really
excited
to
be
a
big
support,
and-
and
thank
you
again
for
your
thoroughness
in
in
your
presentation
and
answering
all
of
our
questions.
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
Thank.
C
Hi,
thank
you
so
much.
I
just
wanted
to
first
thank
all
of
my
ladders
in
district
one
specifically
for
generally
just
for
being
incredible
city
workers
dedicated
to
the
safety
of
east
boston,
charleston
and
the
north
bend
specifically
engine
five
engine
56
ladder,
21
engine
nine
ladder,
two
engine,
eight
ladder,
one
and
thirty
two
ladder
9,
please
I
just
want
to
thank
them.
I
did
want
to
get
into
specifics
about
and
I'm
sure
we
just.
I
know
you
discussed
the
fire
cadet
program
a
little
at
length.
C
I
wanted
to
make
sure
that
I
was
clear
on
the
residency
component
of
it.
I
know
it
requires
residency
to
a
certain
extent.
Some
things
that
were
brought
up
to
me
was
if
it's
so
loosely
defined,
it's
very
easy
to
become
a
boston
resident
in
one
day
and
how
is
that
preventing
people
from
other
parts
of
the
state
coming?
In
the
other
questions
that
I
have
regarding
your
diversity,
I,
if
I
can
do
the
math
pretty
well,
I
saw
that
there
was.
C
B
C
C
C
I
would
like
to
know
if
there's
going
to
be
a
conservative
effort
in
sorry
what
your
leave
policies
are
specifically
concerning
parental
leave
and
time
off
for
those
firefighters
that
become
parents.
Is
it
just
the
same
as
the
city
of
boston,
which
we
are
trying
to
change,
or
do
you
have
your
own
policies
that
are
different
from
that?
So
that's
my
initial
question.
E
Yep,
I
believe
I
can
add
to
a
number
of
these.
We
have
been
working
very
hard
on
implementation
of
a
number
of
the
hodge
report
recommendations.
A
lot
of
them
are
already
in
place.
We've
expanded
on
our
diversity,
outreach
efforts.
We
have
done
a
ton
of
respectful
workplace
type.
Trainings
you've
heard
a
little
bit
from
commissioner
dempsey
about
the
current
ongoing
training
that
rpm
solutions.
The
vendor,
her
name
is
jessica,
she's,
been
doing
the
training.
E
That
has
been
a
long
time,
development
of
the
program
between
myself
and
labor
relations,
and
we
kicked
it
off
with
the
chiefs
right
before
the
pandemic
and
then
the
pandemic
hit.
We
all
wanted
to
continue
that
in
person,
so
we
adhered
to
covet
safety
guidelines
and
started
rolling
it
out
to
firehouses
and
one
firehouse
at
a
time
because
of
social
distancing
requirements.
E
We
are
about
halfway
through
the
fire
fire
houses
right
now,
not
resting
just
solely
on
that
type
of
training.
For
the
firefighters
for
all
ranks.
We
are
rolling
it
out
to
our
fire
alarm
operators.
We
have
plans
to
do
it
for
the
upcoming
recruit
class.
The
hr
director
and
myself
have
done
other
trainings
for
the
line
supervisors.
E
In
terms
of
the
leave
policy,
the
firefighters
do
follow
the
city's
parental
leave
policy
and
that's
been
in
place
for
quite
some
time
since
their
last
round
of
their
contract,
and
so,
if
they
get
the
they
want
at
the
points
of
the
20,
a
25
50
75,
they
are
allowed
to
supplement
parental
leave
with
their
own
leave
time.
So
we
do
follow
the
city
policy
on
that
score.
E
Right
now,
as
to
the
diversity
efforts,
the
recruit
team,
the
last
time
I
have
to
give
kudos
and
a
shout
out
to
them,
they
have
done
a
phenomenal
job.
Knowing
that
there's
a
lack
of
trying
to
recruit
female
applicants,
they
were
very
creative.
They
went
out
into
all
neighborhoods
and
they
went
to
where
the
females
were,
whether
it's
like
hair
salons,
nail
salons,
where
females
would
congregate.
E
E
It
went
up
to
129
applicants,
so
you
can
see
that
they're
making.
It
might
seem
like
small
efforts,
but
it
is
a
good,
concerted,
strong
effort
to
increase
the
numbers,
unfortunately,
because
of
covit-
and
it's
not
just
females,
a
lot
of
people
either
chose
not
to
complete
the
hid
exam
process.
So
some
people
didn't
complete
the
written
exam
and
some
people
didn't
complete
the
physical
abilities
test
portion
of
it.
So
I
don't
have
the
data
on
the
final
results,
but
in
terms
of
the
females
on
the
eligible
list,
it's
pretty
consistent
with
past
years.
E
So
that's
what
I
have
on
the
diversity
numbers
and
the
last
three
classes,
the
diversity
rate.
I
believe
the
commissioner
said
it
was
about
a
third
and
that
has
been
consistent
and
that's
through
the
use
of
selective
language,
certifications
and
the
regular
lists,
and
I
have
been
very
successful
in
getting
hrd
to
allow
for
selective
language
certifications.
E
This
should
be
the
fourth
year
running.
I
started
with
only
spanish
and
haitian
creole
was
able
to
expand
that
to
chinese
languages
than
vietnamese
languages
and
fighting
with
hid
and
finally
got
cape
verdean
language.
So
I
got
all
five
top
languages
spoken
in
the
city
of
boston
for
the
last
recruit
class
and
I
anticipate
gunning
for
it
again
going
forward
for
the
next
few
recruit
classes.
So
that's
where
we
stand
on
diversity
numbers.
We
have
19.
so.
C
C
C
Okay
and
then
in
terms
of
the
I
do
know
that
there
was
an
issue
with
one
of
the
the
with
the
culture
and
one
of
the
complainants
coming
back
into
the
firehouse
after
having
basically
gone
to
court
brought
another
member
to
trial
and
he
was
found
guilty
and
so
that
returned
culture,
I
guess
of
retaliation
or
whatever
she
felt
coming
back.
How
has
that
been
addressed?.
E
E
We
send
the
hr
director,
as
well
as
the
personnel
chief
out
to
the
firehouses,
and
do
some
in-house
training
prior
to
members
returning
to
work.
So
that's
part
of
the
ongoing
training
that
we've
been
doing
for
the
last
couple
of
years.
So
it's
not
just
the
one-off
training
that
we're
doing
with
the
vendor
right
now
we're
consistently
doing
firehouse
trainings
as
needed.
We
consistently
do
trainings
for
the
lieutenants
and
the
captains.
We
always
have
ongoing
training
for
the
chiefs
and
the
deputies.
So
what.
C
C
E
C
Didn't
say
that,
yes,
I
didn't
say
that
I
wasn't
very
clear.
I
didn't
say
that
they
weren't
helpful.
I
think
that
they
are
not
an
accomplishment
having
it
isn't
like
mission
accomplished.
We
have
the
training
right,
the
end
result
of
that
training.
How
are
you
measuring
that?
It's
actually
landing
that
maybe.
E
And
I
can
answer,
I
can
answer
that.
I
can
answer
that
right
now,
with
the
training
that
we
are
currently
doing.
We
are
measuring
that
the
vendor
who's
doing
this
is
doing
the
metric
part
of
it
that
you're
talking
about.
I
just
don't
have
that
data
yet
because
we
have
not
yet
completed
the
training,
but
it
is
measuring
the
efficacy
of
the
program
before
they
take
the
training
and
after
they
take
the
training.
A
Thank
you,
counselor,
edwards,
okay,
so
now
we'll
jump
to
my
questions
and
then
counselor
flynn,
I
know
you've
been
waiting
patiently
for
a
second
round,
so
we'll
jump
back
to
you.
I
guess,
commissioner,
if
you
could
talk
a
little
bit
this
adding
chief
cars.
My
impression
is:
is
that
that's
more
than
one
position?
That's
like
a
whole
suite
of
positions
that
comes
with
that.
Can
you
speak
to
like
how
many
personnel
is
that
functionally
and
and
what's
the
cost
associated
with
each
of
those
that
gets
brought
back.
B
B
B
A
Yeah,
that
would
be
great,
you
know
I'm.
This
is
the
unpopular,
but
as
the
ways
and
means
chair,
it's
my
job
to
say:
well
what
would
things
actually
cost
and
what's
the
you
know,
yeah
so
yeah
all
right?
Well,
that's
good
to
understand.
I
will
just
say
I
I
do
share
counselor
edward's
frustration.
I
mean
it
seems
to
me
like
it's
great,
to
know
that
our
our
firefighters
of
color
numbers
are
increasing.
A
It
seems
like
if
we've
got
one
female
firefighter
out
of
a
class
of
60
recruits
like
we're,
not
we're
not
doing
anything
to
change
our
overall
proportion
numbers
like
with
that
class
right.
The
only
way
that
those
overall
numbers
are
going
to
change
is
if
each
of
our
recruit
classes
is
outperforming
our
our
current
numbers,
and
that's
so.
B
E
E
The
percentage
of
women
in
those
fire
departments
on
average
is
only
four
percent,
but
then
you
have
to
look
at
it
in
the
next
level
of
detail,
which
is
whether
that
fire
department
is
a
dual
service
agency
or
a
single
service
agency,
and
by
that
I
mean,
is
it
a
fire
department
that
operates
both
fire
services,
fire
suppression
and
emt
the
ems
services?
Or
is
it
a
fire
suppression
only
and
it
does
not
include
ems
in
boston?
E
We
are
a
single
service
agency,
meaning
we
have
fire
suppression,
because
the
public
health
commission
operates
boston,
emergency
medical
services.
So
when
you
look
at
national
data
and
drill
it
down
to
that,
the
percentage
of
female
firefighters
in
single
service
entities
like
boston
is
one
percent.
It
is
abysmal.
I
agree
it's,
but
the
national
percentage
is
one
percent
and
boston
is
one
percent.
So,
to
put
it
in
that
context
and
perspective
yeah.
A
E
E
I
have
submitted
that
twice.
It's
been
rejected.
My
third
submission
has
been
sitting
with
mcad
for
quite
some
time
with
no
action.
If
we
can
get
that,
we
can
have
more
female
fighter
recruits
in
our
recruit
classes.
That's
what
I
have
been
working
on
for
the
last
several
years,
unfortunately
have
not
been
successful,
but
it
doesn't
mean
we
stopped
trying.
So
I'll
continue
to
try.
B
A
Right,
no,
no,
I'm
not
blaming
that.
I'm
just
saying
right!
That's
because
I
do
think,
commissioner,
I
would
push
back
a
little
bit.
I
don't
think
that
our
main
barriers
here
are
women.
Selecting
for
fire
service.
I
think
I
think
the
fact
that
the
the
primary
draw-
and
this
is
not
all
uniquely
true
for
our
fire
system
right
across
the
country
for
fire
systems-
is
from
a
military.
That's
heavily
male
right
is-
is
a
pretty
major
definer
of
the
of
the
industry.
B
A
And
can
you
tell
me
the
the
language
list
selection?
How
does
that
work?
Does
that
like?
Does
that?
Let
somebody
get
somebody
get
pulled
like:
where
do
they
fall,
vis-a-vis
veterans,
disabled
veterans?
I
know
we're
cadets.
We
would
be
trying
to
put
in
as
sort
of
the
third
tier
where
how
does
the
language
thing
interact
with.
E
The
way
selective
language
certifications
work
is
we
have
to
petition
to
hrd
to
get
permission
and
demonstrate
a
need
to
hire
for
particular
languages.
So
we
submitted
each
class
with
a
lot
of
data
and
once
we're
approved
for
it,
we
get
different
lists,
separate
lists
for
each
of
the
languages
that
we
want
to
hire
from,
so
they
are
hired
on
their
own
list
separate
and
apart
from
everyone
else,
so
it
it's
not
really
one
jumping
over
another
they're,
just
hired
off
of
different
lists,
which
is
permissible
and
that's
how
we
reach
them.
E
E
We
have
to
do
it
each
time
we
hire
for
a
recruit
class.
So
it's
not
like
you
get
a
blanket
blessing
from
the
state
to
hire
each
time
so
for
every
single
recruit
class.
I
have
to
send
a
separate
request
for
each
language.
So
my
intention,
I
got
five
languages
the
last
couple
of
times.
My
intention
is
to
apply
for
the
same
five
languages
for
the
next
recruit
class,
we'll
put
on
later
this
year
or
early
next
year,
and.
A
E
Yeah
it
it
averages
between
12
to
15
and
it's
based
on
demonstrated
need
and
our
class
size
or
our
budget
size.
If
you
will
so
typically
knowing
that
there's,
let's
say,
for
example,
a
large
number
of
spanish
speakers
on
the
boston
list.
I
would
ask
for
more
vacancies
for
spanish
speakers,
because
if
you
think
about
it,
you
also
have
to
make
sure
they
meet
age
requirements
and
residency
requirements.
So
there
are
other
factors
in
place
as
to
how
many
vacancies
you'd
be
asking
for.
A
Great
great,
no,
that's
really
helpful
and
I
I
can
tell
you
guys
are
working
hard
on
this.
It
would
be
great
if
you
could
share
with
us
like
that.
The
request
for
the
last
recruit
just
so
we
can
see
the
type
of
data
that
gets
demonstrated.
I
mean
it
strikes
me
that
okay,
more
multilingual
boston
is
more.
You
know
in
a
fire,
it's
actually
quite
useful
to
have
somebody
be
able
to
say
to
explain
to
somebody.
You
know
you
need
to
do
this
or
whatever
right
like
in
a
language
they
understand.
A
D
D
I
did
some
research
about
possibly
reinstating
ladder.
Company
13
to
district
4.,
we're
home
to
where
the
bu
bio
lab
is
in
the
south
end
area,
it's
one
of
the
busiest
around,
but
just
wanted
to
see
what
your
feedback
is
on
on
that
issue.
We
in
state
ladder,
company,
13
to
district
4,
south
and
back
bay
bay,
village,
lower
roxbury.
B
I
mean
certainly
we'll
we'll
take
a
look
at
that
once
again,
everything
is
funding
and-
and
I
can't
make
any
promises
but
you're
right.
The
area
is
busy.
The
delta
car
has
taken
up
a
lot
of
that
running,
which
is
great,
but
you
know
the
city
is
getting
more
populated,
so
we
do
have
to
look
and
do
a
study
and
see
see
what
we
need.
D
Thank
you,
commissioner.
I
know
council
flaherty
mentioned
a
couple
of
these
as
well,
and
I
won't.
I
won't
repeat.
I
won't
repeat
them,
but
I
I
think,
maybe
just
one
if
that's
okay,
he
he
mentioned
that
you
know
possibly
at
least
considering
reinstating
the
two
district
chief
positions
that
were
disbanded
in
2019
district
five
in
district
10
were
consolidated
into
surrounding
districts.
D
And
finally
again,
I
just
want
to
say
thank
you
to
the
fire.
Commissioner.
Who's
been
very
responsive,
very
professional,
as
is
the
entire
fire
department,
I'm
proud
of
them,
I'm
proud
of
their
families
as
well.
They're
part
of
our
neighborhood,
their
school
teachers,
their
their
coaches
in
our
cyo
programs,
and
active
and
youth
sports
and
parent
teachers
or
organizations,
and
you
know
they're
part
of
the
community,
so
just
want
to
say
thank
you
to
our
firefighting
families
and
the
contributions
and
sacrifices
you
have
made
for
the
city
of
boston.
D
A
Great
thanks
so
much
councillor
flynn,
I
have
a
few
more
and
then
we'll
go
to
public
testimony.
I
just
wanted
to
so.
First
of
all
I
should
say,
commissioner,
thank
you
so
much.
You
answered
a
ton
of
my
questions
and
your
initial
remarks
so
makes
it
all
more
efficient
for
us,
and
we
appreciate
that
like
work
ahead,
I
I
did
want
to
ask
one
question
that
I
had
asked
that
I
don't
think
I
heard
the
answer
to
is.
A
I
know
that
you
know
in
other
parts
of
the
country
and
stuff
there
has
been
a
move
to
adding
some
smaller
apparatus,
like
you
know,
things
that
are
kind
of
van
sized
things
right,
and
I
you
know,
I'm
particularly
interested
in
this,
because
I
represent
a
large
area
with
a
lot
of
historic
streets.
They're
small,
you
know
obviously
like
the
trucks
can
struggle
down
them
if
they
need
to.
A
But
it's
it's
a
bit
of
a
crunch
sometimes,
and
I
don't
think
that's
going
to
change
anytime
soon,
so
I
just
interested
in
kind
of
the
I
know
I
looked
at
some
data.
That
said,
you
know
a
lot
of
say
like
because
so
many
things
you
guys
get
called
to
or
smoke
with
detector
stuff
and
things
right
where
some
sending
somebody
in
a
smaller
apparatus
might
be
able
to
work.
So
just
wanted
to
know
where
we
are
in
considering
and
approaching
it.
That
way.
B
So
we
we
have
to
have
minimum
manning,
and-
and
so
if
we
had
something
small
first
of
all,
the
apparatus
we're
buying.
Now
the
engines
and
the
trucks
are
actually
a
little
bit
smaller
and
more
maneuverable
around
those
streets.
Then
we
purposely
looked
at
that,
so
so
that's
a
step
in
the
right
direction.
B
As
far
as
if
we
sent
like
a
van
or
something
like
that
from
from
a
firehouse
we
times,
we
can
be
at
one
incident
and
then
get
called
to
another
incident
or
or
you
know,
which
could
be
a
fire
and-
and
that
would
be
a
serious
we.
We
would
have
a
very
serious
problem
if
we
were
in
a
van
and
and
then
needed
a
ladder
truck
at
that
point,
it's
just
not
possible
to
to
go
back
and
switch
and
and
then
go
and
that's
a
lot
of
time
lost.
B
So
I
just
don't
see
it
as
something
that
we
can
do
other
than
something
like
the
delta
car
really
works,
and
and
many
times
in
storms
we'll
put
delta
cars
on
in
different
parts
of
the
city
that
and
that
can
get
to
like.
If
it's.
If
it's
a
windstorm
or
a
snowstorm
and
we've
got
wires
down,
they
can
respond
because
and
then
they
stay
on
on
scene,
so
it
frees
up
the
you
know:
full-size
apparatus
for
for
more
major
incidents.
A
A
Right,
but
I
guess
so,
but
this
is
how
I'm
just
asking
so
this
is
how
we
choose
to
structure
things
right
is
that
we
have
our
minimum
manning
is
based
on
our
big
apparatus
and
therefore
everything
else
is
extra.
I
guess
what
I'm
saying
is
like
there's
a
world
in
which,
if
you're
gonna
do
something
all
the
time,
and
we
push
the
police
department
on
this
too
right
like
it,
would
be
better
to
to
officially.
F
B
Right
right,
but
well
so
we're
looking
at
you're
right
looking
at
full
time.
There's
let's
say
that
dealt
the
cars
for
storms.
We
don't
have
storms
every
day,
so
it
would
be.
I
would
be
wasting
money
to
have
that
out
that
resource
there
every
day
same
thing
with
the
delta
car.
As
I
was
explaining,
even
though
it's
all
the
time,
it's
we're
doing
it
three
four
months
when
it's
peak
and
it
and
it's
cost
effective
to
do
it.
That
way,
we
wouldn't
get
the
full
bang
for
our
buck.
B
A
Yeah,
no,
I
think
it's
more
a
question
of
if,
if
there
were
types
of
calls
that
you
could
just
that
you
had
somebody
you
know
small
routinely
covering
because
I
well.
I
take
your
point
about
what
we
don't
want
to
be
on
this
call
and
then
have
the
you
know
get
called
to
a
real
fire.
I
think
the
idea
is
like,
given
the
fact
that
that
you
know
all
the
fire
prevention
stuff
that
you
guys
work
with
everybody
on
construction
right
has
all
gotten
a
lot
better.
A
We
have
right,
over
the
last
few
decades
over
the
last
century,
seen
a
decline
in
big
fires
overall,
because
of
all
that
really
important
work.
So
I
think
the
idea
is
more
of
a
repositioning
where
you,
where
you
leave
the
apparatuses
in
the
firehouse,
except
for
the
real
fires
and
you
sort
of
shift
to
meet
a
lot
of
the
types
of
calls.
But
I
I
understand
this:
is
your
business,
not
mine?
So
it's
just
something
that
I
was
reading
about
elsewhere
and
I
wanted
to.
A
B
That's
doing
extensive
research
on
just
what
the
clothing
will
absorb
and
and
and
whether
it
goes
through
the
skin
through
to
the
skin,
and
so
it's
a
very
fine
line
with
crossing.
Like
yesterday's
a
good
example,
we
need
equipment
that
that
we
can
breathe
in
and
that
that's
gonna,
let
the
heat
out
that
you
know
on
a
day
like
that,
so
it's
it's
very
complicated
on
and
getting
the
right
mix
between
protecting,
protecting
us
and
and
being
able
to
stay
healthy
through
incidents.
B
I
think
the
washing
machines
are
in
every
firehouse
already
and
it's
not
you
know,
they're
heavy
duty,
you
don't
wash
regular
clothes
in
them.
This
is
these
are
specifically
made
and
the
in
the
water
that
dirty
water
that
comes
out
of
cleaning
them
is
is
extracted
to
a
certain
place.
It's
not
normal!
It's
not
a
normal,
washing
machine
and
and
same
thing
with
the
dryers.
For
that
purpose,
so
we're
taking
a
lot
of
strides
in
and
just
the
equipment
and
and
how
it
you
know
made.
B
B
B
B
A
It's
great,
that's
great.
Yes,
we
did
get
a
number
of
concerned,
calls
about
that
and
and
then
on
the
cadets
I
mean
it
seems
obvious
that
we
need
to
figure
out
how
to
implement
it
effectively.
It's
an
important
priority
of
the
council.
You
know,
along
with.
I
would
think
that
the
acting
mayor,
what
I
mean
I
know
that
you're
right
at
the
beginning,
as
you
say,
but
what
is
our
vision
for
when
we
would
hope
to
have
a
first
cadet
class
getting
enrolled.
B
E
Yes,
so
the
cadet
program,
we
have
to
work
with
a
lot
of
our
partners,
such
as
the
vulcans
and
718
working
with
the
department
leadership
to
envision
and
develop.
What
is
the
cadet
program
going
to
look
like
so
that
it
works
for
the
boston
fire
department
and
achieves
the
goal
of
you
know
inc
one
of
the
goals
which
is
increasing
female
firefighters
and
persons
of
color?
E
Just
like
everybody
else,
then
we
will
have
separate
lists
kind
of
like
what
I
earlier
explained
about
the
language
list,
it'll
be
a
list
to
hire
firefighters
and
then
a
separate
cadet
list
that
we
can
consider
off
of
so
that's,
essentially
a
very
high
level
way
of
explaining
that's
what
we
envision,
but
to
achieve
that
there
are
a
lot
of
steps
that
need
to
be
done.
A
lot
of
discussion
to
take
place.
E
One
of
the
critical
ones
is
what
are
the
cadets
going
to
be
doing
while
they
are
here
in
the
cadet
program,
and
then
we
have
to
be
mindful
that
what
they
do
actually
helps
advance
them
towards
becoming
a
firefighter
and
that
they
don't
take
away
work
from
other
bargaining
units
as
well.
So
a
lot
of
those
issues
need
to
be
hashed
through
and
we're
just
at
the
very
beginning
stages
of
it.
So.
B
E
A
B
So
we
can
so
we
we
have
we're
looking
into
how
to
do
this,
but
yes,
the
cadets
can
be.
We
can
start
that
class
before
the
actual
civil
service
list,
because
we're
not
we're
not
taking
cadets
off
for
the
civil
service
list,
but
for
them
to
get
onto
the
fire
department.
They
have
to
take
the
civil
service
exam
and
then
they
would
go
on
the
cadet
list.
A
E
E
E
E
A
A
I
I
guess
I
would
just
say
it
just
it
underscores
like
if,
if
they
decided
to
go
back
to
their
even
schedule
and
had
a
2024,
we
would
want
to
be
like
really
figuring
out
this
cadet
thing
so
that
we
could
start
people
in
2022
so
that
we
could
not
have
to
wait
another.
It's
just
like.
Obviously
the
the
program
has
been
created
at
this
legislative
level,
because
we
all
feel
offensive
urgency
about
this.
This
effort-
and
I
know
you
share
the
sense
of
urgency,
I'm
just
I.
A
B
We're
no,
we
we're
trying,
but
there's
a
lot
of
logistics.
There's
a
lot
like
I
said
we
have
very
little
to
other
than
looking
at
the
police
program,
which
is
it's
it's
everybody
thinks
police
and
fire
is
similar,
but
there's
a
lot
of
differences,
so
we,
as
I
said
earlier,
I
want
to
make
this
a
model
program
and
and
and
to
do
this
I
don't
want
to.
B
There
are
other
people
looking
at
this
besides
boston
they're,
actually
looking
at
boston
to
do
this
right,
other
communities,
I've
heard
it
from
metro
chiefs
and
across
the
state,
so
I
I
feel
the
pressure
to
make
sure
and
and
I've
always
I
want
to
make
sure
I
do
things
right
and
and
not
rush
it.
I'm
not
saying
that
we're
not
doing
working
on
this
as
quickly
as
we
can
which
we're
going
to,
but
but
we
need
to
do
it
correctly.
A
No,
absolutely
I
I
think,
obviously
it's
important
to
get
it
right
and
appreciate,
appreciate
your
trusted
business,
commissioner
on
that
and
on
many
very
fronts
so
well.
Thank
you.
Thank
you
for
being
on
for
so
long
and
taking
all
of
our
questions
and
all
of
my
questions
at
the
end
there
I
I
go
last
and
then
I
sort
of
build
them
up
over
the
course
of
the
hearing.
So
all
right-
and
I
think,
but
that's
everything
so
I'm
now
gonna
switch.
A
A
N
Mr
source,
good
afternoon,
everyone
I
had
to
do
my
hair
two
times,
because
I
waited
so
long,
but
that's
good
here
we
go.
Thank
you
again,
madam
madam
chairperson.
We
thank
you
so
much
for
all
your
effort
in
the
ways
and
means
committee
and
all
that
you
guys
are
doing.
Thank
you.
I
thank
commissioner
dempsey
in
all
that
he
does
yesterday.
N
He
showed
why
he
is
who,
in
the
position
he's
in
his
leadership
his
knowledge
that
that
yesterday,
what
this
department
did
was
what
could
happen
any
given
day
in
the
city,
so
that
was
pretty
impressive
yesterday
to
see
the
men
and
women
do
what
they
did.
So
I
thank
him
connie
joe
bernie
they're,
just
a
great
team
up
there,
and
I
just
I
love
working
with
them
and
getting
what
we
need
to
get
done
I'll.
N
Stop
by
saying
the
firefighters,
the
locals,
718
executive
board
has
reviewed
the
fight,
the
fiscal
2022
budget,
the
operating
budget
and
we
conferred
with
the
commissioner
first.
We
would
like
to
thank
you
for
the
time
and
effort
that
was
put
into
the
ways
and
means
committee
to
provide
the
citizens
of
boston
and
its
firefighters
for
the
conscientious
and
responsible
budget
doing
so
in
conjunction
with
all
the
obstacles
presented
by
covet
19,
it's
no
easy
task.
We
applaud
your
committee,
the
the
boston
fire
department's
goal.
N
In
the
same
way
it's
been
in
our
in
our
inception.
The
the
protection
and
life
of
protection
of
life
and
property
is
our
main
goal.
Achieving
this
depends
on
the
the
mayor
and
the
city
council
is
sharing
the
same
vision,
boston,
firefighters,
local
718
represents
the
men
and
women
of
the
of
the
boston
fire
department,
and
we
do
so
with
honor
and
distinction.
N
Our
commitment
to
our
membership
is
strong
as
our
commitment
to
the
residents
of
that
we
serve
as
a
result.
We
respectfully
request
the
following
funding
be
considered
in
inappropriate
within
within
the
fiscal
2022
budget,
so
I
sent
this
out
to
everyone
and
I
think
we've
got
most
of
it
covered
the
reinstatement
of
the
two
district
chiefs.
I
think
it's
it.
N
It's
a
no-brainer.
What
we
have
there,
because
we
had
a
significant
fire
in
west
roxbury
last
year
with
one
of
our
members
living
on
the
second
floor
of
that
that
unit.
If
that
had
been
on
a
friday
afternoon
or
a
monday
morning,
it
would
have
been
a
totally
different
fire,
and
that
was
on
a
saturday.
It
was
kind
of
quiet.
We
were
able
to
get
the
chief
from
12
to
respond
to
that
fire.
N
I
mean
all
that
we
have
in
west
roxbury,
with
the
with
the
gas
line
and
and
everyone
speaking
of
that,
it's
a
it's
a
big,
it's
a
big
stretch
to
try
to
get
them
there.
The
district
five
chief
was
the
busiest
chief
in
the
country
at
the
time
that
they
were
removed
from
service.
That's
the
longwood
medical
area.
That's
that's!
N
You
know
in
the
in
the
midst
of
covid
that
would
have
been
a
great
asset
to
have
there
so
again,
we're
stretching
and
pulling
different
chiefs
to
fill
that
one
little
area
that
we
have
the
bio
lab
and
again.
I
know
the
commissioner
mentioned
more
people
sure
we
could
use
more
people,
we've
gone
from
a
department
that
in
when
there
were
500
000
people
in
the
city
operating
with
2400
firefighters,
we're
currently
operating
with
1500
firefighters
in
a
city.
N
That's
possibly
going
to
reach
800
000
next
year,
never
mind
the
fact
that
you
add
a
marathon,
a
game,
a
world
series
anything
like
that
to
the
city
where
we're
well
over
a
million
people
during
the
day,
so,
but
yet
we're
we're
operating
with
less
less
members.
So
I
think
that's
that's
a
key
thing
to
look
at
one
of
my.
The
the
things
that
we
spoke
of
is
the
reinstatement
of
ladder
13..
N
Everything
that
we
read
as
far
as
our
promotional
system
goes
tells
us
that
if
you
have
a
company
that
that's
doing
more
than
2500
runs
a
year,
you're
justified
in
adding
another
company.
If
you
look
at
ladder,
four
who
surpassed
5000
runs
last
year
ladder
17
ladder,
26
engine
21,
all
those
companies,
especially
running
around
the
headquarters
area
they're
well
over
2500
runs
a
year
I
mean
close
to
them.
Most
of
them
are
over
4
000
ladder.
N
13
would
eliminate
so
much
of
the
aggravation
that
we
have
not
aggravation,
but
the
the
the
runs
of
trying
to
fill
that
in,
and
we
saw
that
yesterday
and
what
happens
in
a
fire
in
dorchester
and
again
with
the
commissioner.
He
he
touched
on
it
and
saying
that
we
were
able
to
use
our
companies
at
that
fire.
You
know
drawing
those
companies
in
that
leaves
vacancies
all
over
the
city
and
and
then
increasing
that
by
taking
away
so
many
different.
N
These
those
calls
keep
coming
in
the
car
accidents
keep
coming
in,
the
calls
for
other
fighters
came
in.
I
think
we
they
struck
two
boxes.
While
we
were
at
that
fire
yesterday,
so
there
were
initial
calls
coming
in.
They
don't
stop.
You
know.
I
know
the
city
council
counselors,
don't
listen
to
your
scanners
every
day,
but
but
our
scanners
are
constantly
playing.
I
have
one
that
stays
on
my
hip.
I
know
the
rest
of
them
do
too.
N
So
we
hear
the
calls
constantly
coming
in
and
that
that
to
me
is
one
of
the
things
that
you
know
for
a
big
city,
fire
department.
We
should
definitely
have
so.
We
lost
over
22
companies
in
in
that
proposition
two
and
a
half,
and
again
I,
the
commissioner
mentioned
that
was
long
before
his
time.
Long
before
my
time,
but
again
we
were
operating
with
500
thousand.
We
were.
We
were
serving
five
hundred
thousand
people
at
that
time.
N
So
that's
one
of
my
that
one
one
of
the
things
I'd
like
to
see
the
establishing
a
firehouse
in
the
seaport
we've
talked
about
this
and
you
know
the
seaport
is-
is
slated
to
be
up
over
30
000
people
next
year
and
I
think
mark
did
a
little
bit
of
research
here
for
us
mark
sanders
who's.
Our
legislative
agent
sits
on
the
e-board.
N
N
I
know
going
back
to
council
councilwoman
brendan
brought
up
the
fact
that
austin
brighton
needs
a
firehouse,
and
I
get
what
the
commissioner
is
saying.
We
we
have
to
find
our
most
important
need
and
fill
it
there
and
in
the
seaport
to
me
is
one
of
our
needs,
because
our
response
times
aren't
just
horizontal
they're
vertical.
N
So
when
you're
going,
where
you're
looking
at
some
of
these
high-rises
that
they're
putting
up
in
the
seaport
a
response
time
from
engine
39's
quarters
or
from
10
in
the
tower
to
make
it
to
the
seaport
to
the
fire
floor,
you're
looking
at
a
10
minute,
15
minute
response
time
that
that
could
change.
If
we
had
a
company
right
there,
and
I
think
that
that
the
growth
of
the
city
caught
you
know
should
allow
that
to
happen.
N
My
last
thing,
I'll
bring
up
is
the
the
delta
car.
The
delta
car
was
a
great
asset
for
us,
and
I
think
that
that
that,
if
they're
not
being
used
on
that
day
for
the
delta,
we
should
spread
those
spread
those
out.
Let
them
do
inspections,
let
them
do
whatever
else
we
we
can
have
them
do,
but
but
that
they
were
doing
a
great
job
there.
Whether
you
know
I
know
that
bridge
is
an
issue.
Quincy
is
an
issue
for
us
having
to
transport
anything
over
there.
N
I
know
that's
going
to
be
a
long
haul
and
we
may
be
looking
at
10
years
before
that
we
can
get
back
on
the
island
and
get
things
going
there.
I
know
the
building
itself
needs
help.
So
there's
a
lot
there's
a
lot
that
we
can
do,
but
I
think
in
the
midst
of
all
that
we've
done
in
covid,
and
I
think
the
city
is
still
thriving,
we're
doing
we're
doing
what
our
best
with
what
we
have,
but
could
we
use
more?
Definitely
we
could
use
more.
We
need
to
I'll
I'll
I'll.
N
Just
talk
to
you,
quick
about
the
some
of
my
issues.
Are
the
the
dive
team?
The
dive
team
has
a
j
truck
that
sits
at
engine
20
quarters
if
engine
20
goes
on
a
run
on
a
hot
summer
day
like
yesterday
or
today,
you
know
something
happens
down
at
carson
beach
or
or
high
park
at
the
turtle
pond
that
kids
were
swimming
in
yesterday.
N
I
know,
there's
a
sign
there
that
says
no
swimming,
but
for
some
reason
they
keep
swimming
that
the
you
know,
28
and
10
have
a
boat.
You
know
we
we
need
in
the
summer
months
at
least
to
have
that
truck
staffed.
So
we
don't
have
to
have
engine
20
come
back
from
a
run,
put
a
driver
there
and
send
them
either
the
constant
beach
or
wherever
there
may
be
an
incident
that
that's
something
that
we
could
have
that
specialty
unit.
N
Like
again,
I
mentioned
28
and
10
and
engine
10
in
in
the
the
tower
those
companies
have
they
don't.
They
are
not
fully
staffed
in
a
lot
of
that,
a
lot
of
things
that
they
do,
we
should
have
those
companies.
Again.
I
say
if
we're
a
big
city
fire
department,
let's
play
big
city
fight
department,
that's
kind
of
what
I
those
are
my
issues,
and
I
know
it's
been
a
long
morning
for
everybody,
so
I'll
I'll
leave
at
that.
N
In
closing,
I
just
want
to
thank
you
for
your
attention
to
our
concerns.
We
understand
there's
a
cost
associated
with
this.
We
get
that
these
proposals.
Fortunately
the
city
has
been
remain
financially
solvent
through
these
challenging
times,
and
this
is
a
testament
to
our
mayor
and
our
city
council.
N
We
recommend
strong
consideration
to
be
given
to
utilizing
a
portion
of
the
federal
covid
money.
I
know,
councilman
baker
brought
that
up
that
that's
one
of
the
things
he
keeps
hearing
funding
to
the
financial
purposes
for
we
put
forth
in
this
letter.
We
wish
you
continued
success
and
all
that
you
do.
Thank
you
for
your
time.
A
Great,
thank
you
so
much
and
thank
you
to
the
men
and
women
of
local
718.
We
really
appreciate
all
your
service
and
and
appreciate
you
waiting
through
this
rather
long
hearing
to
share
with
you.
So
thank
you
and
thank
you
again
to
the
commissioner
and
your
team
for
staying
on
and
for
answering
all
of
our
questions.
We're
grateful
and
yeah,
and
with
that
there's
nothing
for
me
to
do,
except
for
to
say
that
this
hearing
of
the
city
council's
ways
and
means
committee
is
adjourned.
Thank
you
all.
Thank
you.