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Description
The focus of this hearing is the FY23 budget for the Boston Fire Department.
Dockets #0480-0482
Orders for the FY23 Operating Budget, including annual appropriations for departmental operations, for the School Department, and for other post-employment benefits (OPEB).
Docket #0483
Orders for capital fund transfer appropriations.
Dockets #0484-0486
Orders for the Capital Budget, including loan orders and lease-purchase agreements.
A
For
the
record,
my
name
is
tanya,
fernando
anderson,
the
district
7
city
councilor.
A
We
strongly
encourage
residents
to
take
a
moment
to
engage
in
this
process
by
giving
public
testimony
for
the
record.
You
can
do
this
in
several
ways
attend
one
of
our
hearings
and
give
public
testimony.
We
will
take
public
testimony
at
each
departmental
hearing
and
also
add
two
hearings
dedicated
to
public
testimony.
A
The
full
hearing
schedule
is
on
our
website
at
boston.gov
for
slash
council
and
sorry
council
dash
budget.
Our
scheduled
hearings
dedicated
to
public
testimony
was
april
26
at
6
pm,
and
the
next
one
will
be
on
june,
2nd
at
6
pm.
You
can
give
public
testimony
in
person
here
in
the
chamber
or
virtually
via
zoom
for
in-person.
Testimony.
Please
come
to
the
chamber
and
sign
up
on
the
sheet
near
the
entrance
for
virtual
testimony.
A
You
can
sign
up
using
our
online
form
on
our
council
budget
review
website
or
by
email,
the
by
emailing,
the
committee
at
ccc.wm
boston.gov,
when
you
are
called
to
testify.
Please
state
your
name,
affiliation
and
residence
and
limit
your
comments
to
two
minutes
to
ensure
that
all
comments
are
and
concerns
are
and
can
be
heard
email.
Your
written
testimony
to
the
committee
at
ccc.w
boston.gov
submit
a
two-minute
video
or
of
your
testimony
through
the
form
on
our
website
for
more
information
on
city
council
budget
process
and
how
to
testify.
A
A
Orders
for
the
fy23
operating
budget,
including
annual
appropriations
for
departmental
operations
for
the
school
department
and
for
other
post-employment
benefits.
Opeb
dockets
0483
orders
for
capital
fund
transfer
appropriations,
docket
zero,
four,
eight
four
to
zero.
Four:
eight
six
orders
for
the
capital
budget,
including
loan
orders
and
lease
purchase
agreements.
A
B
A
Mcmahon,
deputy
chief
of
support
services,
kathleen
judge
deputy
commissioner
for
administration
and
finance
ma'am.
Can
you
give
me
your
phone,
your
name
and.
A
Thank
you,
ms
juan,
and
I
hear
that
we
have
maybe
one
or
two
other
panelists
that
or
three
that
are
sitting
back
there
and
upon
request
you
or
you'll,
be
called
by
your
colleagues
to
answer
any
questions
and
feel
free
to
come
down
and
squeeze
a
seat
with
them.
If
possible,
I
think
there
are
chairs
you
can
actually
come
down
now.
If
you
like
to
be
right
into
record.
A
A
Thank
you,
mr
suarez,
and.
A
Okay,
well
not
in
this
order,
but
counselor
flaherty
at
large
counselor
president
flynn,
councillor,
frank
baker,
councillor
kenzie,
bach,
counselor,
liz,
braden,
counselor,
rudy,
lujan,
counselor,
julia
mejia,
counselor,
aaron,
murphy
and
we'll
get
the
orders
right
because
attorney
goldberg
is
super
efficient
and
I
don't
know
where
to
put
the
paper
all
right.
A
Okay,
well
without
further
ado,
the
format
that
I
that
we
typically
use
here
is
that
we'll
do
a
round
one,
and
that
includes
a
presentation
from
your
department.
20
minutes
total,
maybe
a
little
bit
over,
considering
how
much
you
need
maximum
25
minutes.
I
see
your
faces
and
then
we'll
go
to
around
one
eight
minutes
total
and
then
a
public
testimony
two
minutes
each
for
each
person,
that's
testifying
and
then
back
to
round
two
depending
on
the
time
that
is
left.
A
But
if
needed,
we
will
continue
with
questions.
As
my
colleague
my
brother,
frank
baker
says
till
midnight,
so
only
if
we
need
it.
So
without
further
ado,
you
have
the
floor
for
your
presentation.
F
Thank
you,
madam
chair.
First,
I
would
like
my
name.
Is
jack
dempsey,
I'm
the
boston
fire?
Commissioner
and
first
I
would
like
to
thank
mayor
michelle
wu
for
her
support
of
the
boston
fire
department.
I
would
also
like
to
thank
the
mayor's
staff
and
the
office
of
budget
management
for
their
diligence
and
insight.
As
we
prepare
the
fy
23
budget,
I
would
like
to
specifically
thank
jim
williamson,
lydia
chim
and
joanna
bernstein
for
their
assistance.
F
F
My
thanks
to
all
my
firefighters
and
staff
who
continue
to
make
this
the
best
fire
department
in
the
country
as
we
get
underway
for
the
upcoming
year,
fy
23
will
be
an
important
year
for
us
on
multiple
fronts.
The
mission
of
the
boston
fire
department
is
to
provide
fire
suppression
and
emergency
services
to
the
citizens
of
the
city
of
boston.
F
F
F
On
other
fronts.
Our
infrastructure
is
taking
shape.
The
safety,
health
and
wellness
division
continues
to
do
great
work.
I
will
address
some
key
highlights
in
these
areas
in
turn
the
safety,
health
and
wellness
division
of
all
my
members,
sorry,
safety,
health
and
wellness
of
all.
My
members
remains
a
top
priority.
For
me,
the
boston
fire
department
has
a
robust
employees
assistance
program.
We
also
have
a
critical
incident
stress
management,
team
and
peer-to-peer
support
network.
These
programs
provide
a
significant
support
resource
for
our
members.
F
We
have
teamed
up
with
dr
christine
candler,
who
is
spearheading
an
international
campaign
to
help
dermatologists
become
more
aware
of
this
risk.
We
have
been
conducting
skin
cancer
screening
clinics,
often
for
all
our
members.
This
will
detect
skin
cancer
in
the
early
stage,
resulting
in
huge
health
care
savings
and
keeping
our
workforce
healthy.
F
We
have
also
offered
a
new
blood
test
from
gallup
from
grill
called
galleria,
which
detects
up
to
50
cancers
in
their
early
stages.
Some
of
these
cancers,
like
pancreatic,
if
not
caught
early,
usually
have
a
devastating
prognosis
once
again,
like
the
skin
cancer
swedens.
This
blood
test
will
hopefully
allow
us
to
catch
these
cancers
early,
which
will
lead
to
a
life-saving
treatment
and
again
a
huge
health
care
savings.
F
Lastly,
on
health,
we
have
started
a
hearing
loss
study
which
will
help
us
better,
protect
the
hearing
of
our
firefighters.
We
recently
conducted
hearing
tests
and
found
that
more
than
half
of
the
firefighters
have
high
frequency
hearing
loss,
which
is
likely
the
result
of
their
repeated
noise
exposure.
F
F
We
will
continue
to
invest
in
new
apparatus
following
our
replacement
plan
schedule
that
calls
for
the
replacement
of
three
engines
and
two
aerials
each
year
that
will
keep
all
front
line
apparatus
no
older
than
seven
years
and
reserve
apparatus
no
older
than
10
years.
This
plan
will
reduce
maintenance
costs
and
allow
for
the
safest
possible
apparatus
for
our
firefighters
to
operate
on
a
consistent
program
in
place
will
ensure
our
firefighters
have
the
necessary
equipment
to
protect
the
city
and
its
residents
for
the
replacement
of
firefight
fire
houses.
F
F
There
has
been
talk
of
possible
sites
for
a
new
firehouse
in
the
seaport
district,
as
well
as
replacement
of
engine
3
in
the
south
end
and
partnering,
with
wentworth
institute
of
technology
on
a
new
firehouse
for
engine
37.
In
the
mission
hill
neighborhood,
there
is
also
capital
planning
for
a
new
fire
boat
and
dive
boat.
F
A
large
search
is
on
for
a
location
for
a
building
or
purchase
property
for
our
special
operations
command
division
we
currently
are.
We
are
on
property
owned
by
harvard
university
and
will
be
vacating
that
in
the
near
future,
one
large
ask
I
have
for
this
year's
budget
is
to
find
putting
district
five
back
in
service.
F
This
district
chief
is
vital
in
that
area
of
the
city,
which
has
seen
a
tremendous
amount
of
growth
over
the
past
few
years.
The
area
is
packed
with
hospitals
colleges,
all
the
labs
that
go
with
both
and
all
the
new
housing
in
the
fenway
area.
I
cannot
stress
enough
how
important
it
is
and
what
a
significant
difference
it
makes
to
have
a
chief
on
scene
as
quickly
as
possible
in
a
major
incident.
F
We
will
also
continue
with
the
department's
project
to
industrial
clean,
our
fire
houses.
We
are
able
to
complete
three
to
four
fire
houses
each
year,
as
we
continue
the
industrial
cleaning
program.
We
also
find
other
ways
to
make
improvements
that
will
benefit
our
firefighters,
recruiting
and
outreach.
We
are
continuing
our
firefighter
recruiting
and
outreach
efforts.
We
currently
have
a
recruit
class
of
90..
F
F
F
While
we
will
work
within
the
parameters
of
the
civil
service
selection
process
with
preferences,
the
human
resources
division,
bfd
is
responsible
for
the
strategic
plan
and
administration,
strategic
initiatives
are
implemented
and
relevant
data
is
tracked
during
the
recruitment
cycle.
Overall,
we
look
to
increase
the
diversity
and
balance
within
our
application
pool
through
outreach.
F
F
F
F
The
program
was
created
several
years
ago
and
is
organized
and
run
by
two
minority:
boston,
firefighters,
providing
the
youth
with
mentorship
and
showing
them
a
career
path
in
the
fire
service
and
public
safety
partnership
with
the
boston,
public
schools
and
its
rotc
program
to
engage
with
high
school
students
from
every
school
to
work
with
military
recruits
on
fire,
education,
military
careers,
fitness
and
career
council.
It's
also
a
good
outreach
tool
for
the
department's
teen
academy
program.
F
We
have
also
conducted
outreach
and
recruitment
with
a
number
of
veteran
organizations
and
military
recruitment
programs
hr
and
respectful
workplace
training.
We
have
conducted
a
number
of
hr
trainings
over
the
past
several
years.
In
the
last
year,
the
department
worked
with
rpm
solutions
to
provide
anti-harassment
training
to
every
firehouse
and
all
firefighters
of
all
ranks.
Rpm
solutions
is
the
vendor
retained
by
the
city
and
the
department
to
develop
a
program
to
conduct
training
for
all
firefighters
on
every
group
in
every
firehouse.
To
date
we
have
trained
all
of
the
firehouses.
F
I
believe
we
have
a
strong
team
in
place
to
make
necessary
changes
with
the
administration's
support
for
additional
staff
and
resources.
We
will
be
even
better
positioned
to
implement
the
plans
going
forward.
Lastly,
on
behalf
of
the
boston
fire
department,
thank
you
for
your
time
and
support.
Thank
you.
A
Counselor
flaherty
you're.
First
on
the
list,
do
you
have
the
floor.
B
B
You
got
to
love
running
into
burning
buildings
and
racing
through
the
streets
and
at
times
being
on
the
top
of
a
roof
while
the
building's
on
fire
and
you
have
to
aerate
it.
So
I'm
happy
to
be
the
guy
to
drive
you
there,
I'm
happy
to
be
together,
cook's
back
of
the
house,
but
I'm
not
one
that
wants
to
run
into
a
burning
building.
So
I
appreciate
the
work
and
the
coverage
that
it
takes
to
keep
our
city
and
its
residents
safe.
B
A
lot
of
folks
come
down
here
and
they
talk
about
diversity,
inclusion,
the
fact
that
you're
here
and
support
car
5
along
with
the
718,
it's
the
single
best
thing.
We
can
do
not
only
to
keep
our
city
particularly
around
the
hospitals
and
labs
safe,
but
will
truly
be
an
effort
to
diversify
the
upper
echelons
of
the
fire
department
and
will
at
least
instill
one.
B
Possibly
two
chiefs
of
color
and
also
the
backfill
for
captains
and
lieutenant
so
very
refreshing
to
hear
you
say
that,
commissioner,
a
lot
of
folks
come
in
talk
a
big
game
about
you,
know,
equity
and
inclusion,
and
it's
just
that
it's
just
a
little
lip
service.
But
the
fact
that
your
wish
list
is
car
five.
B
My
wish
list
two
on
on
the
fronts
that
I
had
just
mentioned,
and
I
would
encourage
my
colleagues,
particularly
in
a
resubmission,
to
stand
together
and
insist
that
car
five
be
put
back
in
place
so
that
we
could
have
chiefs
of
color
on
the
job
along
with
some
additional
captains
and
lieutenants
of
color.
That
would
benefit
from
car
five.
I'm
going
to
give
a
shout
out
to
obviously
constituents
on
the
south
end
who
are
asking
that
ladder
13
be
restored.
B
It
was
cut
back
with
prop
2
and
a
half,
but
apparently
ladder
4
always
gets
diverted
to
mass
and
cast
to
handle
the
ods,
leaving
the
south
end
somewhat
vulnerable
and
then
taxing
some
of
those
other
those
other
stations.
So
if
there's
any
thought
to
restoring
ladder
13
for
the
folks
in
the
south
end,
they
would
appreciate
it.
They've
been
putting
up
with
a
lot,
particularly
as
it
pertains
to
mass
and
cast.
They
feel
the
level
of
services,
basic
city
services
for
them,
as
residents
and
taxpayers
has
decreased.
B
If
we
have
the
ability
to
restore
a
ladder
13
that
would
go
a
long
way
they
can
restoring
some
of
the
confidence
of
the
folks
over
there
glad
you
also
mentioned
the
marine
unit
and
also
the
dive
team,
if
I'm
not
mistaken
somewhere
in
the
vicinity,
maybe
close
to
seven
eight,
maybe
maybe
close
to
a
dozen
recoveries
where
they
returned
people
back
to
their
families
after
drowning
a
hard
thing
to
do
in
boston,
harbor.
B
If
you
know
anything
about
the
floor,
the
debris,
the
piers,
the
pilings
and
the
fact
that
our
the
boston
fire
department's
dive
team.
We
had
that
success
last
summer.
Hopefully
it's
not
a
summer
that
repeats
itself,
but
I
think
it's
seven
or
eight
someone
might
have
more
statistics.
Seven
seven
individuals
were
brought
back
to
their
families
in
normal
circumstances.
That
would
be
would
be
lost,
and
so
any
thing
we
can
do
for
the
marine
unit
and
the
dive
team.
B
I
think
there
might
be
some
things
in
the
budget
for
them
and
and
also
want
to
just
touch
based
on
the
number
of
calls
for
service
that
gets
lost
a
lot
of
times.
Anyone
know
the
exact
number
of
calls
911
calls
that
came
in
last
year
that
required
a
response
from
our
fire
department
in
the
in
the
thousands,
I'm
sure,
but.
B
Great
I'd
like
to
get
a
sense
of
that
and
on
the
capitol
you
know
that
some
of
our
houses
were
outdated.
I
hadn't
seen
any
major
improvements
so
happy
to
see
that
in
the
capital
we
have
a
number
of
different
houses
that
are
being
and
are
being
restored.
B
We
at
some
point
probably
have
to
have
a
talk
about
headquarters.
I've
been
over
there
recently,
a
few
times
place
is
a
mess.
I
don't
know
where
what
we're
going
to
do
or
how
we're
going
to
handle
that.
But
now,
I
think,
is
the
time
to
at
least
have
the
discussion
to
talk
about
maybe
getting
fire
headquarters
in
the
capital
in
future
years,
not
quite
sure,
what's
holding
the
building
up,
but
it's
sort
of
in
the
epicenter
of
the
city
next
to
bragging
street.
B
But
it's
not
like
you
can
come
in
here
and
you
know
toot
for
it,
because
it's
it's
where
your
house,
but
something
must
be
said
for
the
conditions
over
there,
that
it
plays
a
vital
function,
not
just
on
the
administrative
side
but
from
fire
alarm
and
the
repair
of
the
of
the
vehicles
etc.
I
think
that
time
has
come,
that
headquarters
has
given
a
is
given
a
new
home
as
well
or
at
least
gets
refurbished
and
brought
up
the
standards.
B
So
that's
my
two
cents
on
it
and
if
we
can
just
talk
about
the
the
attrition
in
terms
of
the
class
going
in
based
on
the
overall
number
of
sworn
firefighters
we
have
is,
are
we
keeping
pace
with
that.
F
We're
always
behind
in
that
usually
it's
roughly
150
130
150
people
each
year
that
we
need
to
keep
up
with
that
we're
we're
lucky
this
year.
We
have
that
grant
for
not
85,
firefighters.
That's
that's
a
big
chunk
that
helps
plus
the
normal
budgeted
people
that
we've
with
classes.
We
put
it
on.
F
So
if
we
can
maintain
that
maybe
increase
that
by
a
class
every
year,
the
process
takes
a
long
time
to
put
a
class
on
so
because
it
takes
so
long.
We
usually
get
two
classes
in
a
year.
Okay,
so
we
can
look
at
maybe
increasing
this
amount
of
people
in
each
class
and
that
will
get
us
closer
to
the
130
mark.
Okay,.
B
And
then
speaking
of
the
911
calls
our
dispatchers
are
operators.
Are
we
keeping
a
pace
with
there?
I
know
that
we're
hearing
a
lot
with
respect
to
911
callers
and
we
recognized
them
a
couple
weeks
ago
here
on
the
council.
They
deal
with
a
lot,
particularly
on
the
trauma
side
of
things.
Are
we
supporting
our
sort
of
911
dispatchers,
not
just
for
fire?
B
Obviously
we
will
talk
about
police
and
ems
too,
but
when
that
911
call
comes
in
it's
that
person
and
particularly
on
a
fire
ground,
if
you
tune
into
the
radio
they're,
the
ones
that
are
sort
of
you
got
folks
that
are
in
the
building,
runs
it
through
the
dispatcher,
then
that's
running
to
the
command
staff.
So
whenever
a
command
post
is
set
up,
it's
pretty
impressive
to
listen
to
and
to
see
that
they're
on
their
toes
and
they're
engaged.
B
F
So
we
we
could
use
some
more
people
in
fire
alarm.
As
you
mentioned,
the
difference
between
just
a
normal
9-1-1
operator
and
fire
alarm
operator
is
our
fire
alarm.
Operators
are
actually
actively
engaged
in
every
fire
incident.
F
B
And
in
this
budget
is
there
any?
Is
there
any
appropriation
for
that
for
that
group
of
folks,
because
I
know
one
how
hard
they
work?
I
know
how
critical
they
are
to
this
whole
thing,
but
it
seems
like
they
oftentimes
get
overlooked,
because
obviously,
we've
got
other
pressures
and
demands
for
equipment
and
supplies.
F
So,
just
as
you
were
mentioning
with
the
police,
the
call
takers,
I
think,
they're
having
an
issue
with
with
the
amount
of
call
takers
and
when
that
goes
down,
then
those
calls
get
bounced
to
to
the
fire
department
which
takes
away
the
way,
calls
that
we
should
be
on
so
it's
taxes,
the
whole
system
right.
B
And
I'm
told
that
they're
working
a
long
days,
long
hours
being
called
in
on
overtime,
shifts,
etc
if
we
can
restore
some
order
and
and
and
give
them
some
support,
that
would
be
great,
and
maybe
we
could
see
some
of
that
in
a
resubmission
along
with
car
five
all
right.
Thank
you,
madam
chair.
Thank
you,
commission
for
the
work
you're
doing
for
the
team
here
and
appreciate
your
time
and
attention
to
this.
Thank
you.
Council.
F
G
G
I
want
to
highlight
a
couple
issues.
I
also
represent
the
south
end
ladder
13
as
council
of
flaherty
mentioned.
I've
also
received
many
calls
from
south
end
residents
as
well,
advocating
for
full
ladder,
13
trim
on
street.
G
G
G
The
police
department
in
ems
for
their
professional
response
at
that
at
that
fire
I
watched
how
closely
city
departments
work
closely
together,
but
before
that,
commissioner,
I
also
know
that
there
was
a
major
fire
at
the
boston
edison
years
ago,
and
many
firefighters
came
down
with
various
types
of
cancer
and
several
have
have
passed
away
since
then,
because
of
that,
I
think,
because
of
that
fire
that
they
were
fighting
inside
the
boston
edison,
it
was
vacant
at
the
time,
but
there
was
a
lot
of
toxins.
There
was
a
lot
of
fumes.
G
F
F
We
have
the
new
grail
galleria
test,
which
detects
50
types
of
cancers.
F
So
these
are
all
we're
constantly
looking
into
different
types
of
studies
and
people
are
outreaching
to
us
different
like
dr
cam
or
the
skin
cancer.
F
I
think
I
think
just
your
support
in
this
is
great
right
now,
most
of
its
studies
and
it's
funded
by
grants
and
and
anything
that
not
covered
by
a
grant.
That
would
probably
be
helpful,
like
the
cancer,
the
the
grail
study.
We
have
a
grant
that
we're
using
money
on
that,
but
it's
only
going
to
cover
a
portion
of
the
members.
F
So
we
we're
doing
the
older
members
first
and
if
there's
money
left
over
then
we'll
we'll
use
that
to
cover
the
cost
of
these
tests,
which
is
which
we
get
a
deal
at
650
per
test.
So
that's
a
that's
a
great
deal
for
for
detecting
50
types
of
cancers,
so.
F
So
I
I
guess
we
would
come
back
to
the
council
if
we
need
funding
on
on
some
of
these
tests.
Yeah.
G
Thank
you,
commissioner.
The
the
health
safety
and
wellness
is
is
critical.
It's
it's
so
important,
the
the
longest
weight.
I
know
you
talked
about
dermatology
and
various
melanoma
and
skin
skin
diseases.
G
The
longest
line
wait
line
to
get
an
appointment
at
the
va
in
jamaica
plain
is
the
dermatology,
and
I
also
see
a
lot
of
veterans
going
into
the
va,
but
it
just
goes
to
show
you
the
the
importance
of
of
the
important
work
of
the
health
safety
and
wellness
team.
I
want
to
acknowledge
718
for
being
for
advocating
for
supporting
those
those
services.
The
other
thing
you
mentioned,
commissioner
ptsd,
first
responders.
G
We've
seen
a
lot
of
city
workers
respond
to
various
incidents
and
that
that
happened
across
the
city
so
ptsd
is
is,
is
is
a
real
thing
for
first
responders,
it's
a
real
thing
for
for
veterans.
Obviously,
so
what
what
do
we?
Where
are
we
on
on
that
issue?
And
what
challenges
do
we
have?
Because
that's
something
that
we
need
to
continue
to
work
on?
I've
studied
that
issue
extensively
with
with
the
disabled.
G
F
F
We
have
two
p.
F
We
have
peer
to
peer
support
in
each
firehouse,
two
firefighters
in
each
firehouse,
we're
looking
to
expand
that
so
that
there's
at
least
one
person
on
each
group
and
that
way
they
can
speak
to
somebody
in
the
firehouse
on
the
same
level
and
not
feel
like
they're
going
to
the
eap
or
or
it's
it's
kind
of
a
informal
way
of
of
seeing
and
checking
on
each
other
to
make
sure
that
everybody's
okay,
so
that
that
I
think,
is
going
to
go
from
a
long
way
with
keeping
people
going
to
get
help
at
the
beginning
when
they
need
it
instead
of
waiting
until
somebody's
at
the
other
end,
when
it
may
be
too
late.
F
G
Yet,
thank
you,
commissioner.
I
know
council
flaherty
mentioned
car5.
I
also
support
support
that
as
well.
I
the
opportunity
to
attend
the
opening
of
the
eggleston
square,
firehouse
and
state
of
the
art
facil
location-
it's
not
in
my
district,
but
it's
it's
very
important
to
the
city
to
have
a
major
to
have
a
fire
presence
in
that
area.
State-Of-The-Art
fire
house,
so
I
think
that's
excellent.
Along
with
the
upcoming
plans
for
meeting
house
hill
is
critical.
G
I
know
you
highlighted
the
south
washington
waterfront.
I've
been
working
on
that
for
five
years
along
with
council
council
flaherty,
that's
critical,
along
with
a
fire
boat
dive
boat
is
also
is
also
important.
G
You
mentioned
hearing
loss
of
of
firefighters.
You
mentioned
some
of
the
responses
that
they
they
attend.
Various
incidents
and
hearing
loss
does
become
prevalent
as
time
goes
on.
What
are
we
seeing
on
hearing
loss,
commissioner?
So.
F
We
just
did
a
study
with
a
hundred
firefighters
and
out
of
that
there
was
fifty
percent
had
high
frequency
hearing
loss,
which
was
from
from
someone's
from
sirens
and
and
the
noise
on
an
incident.
F
So
we're
also
doing
a
test
under
a
grant.
That's
going
to
provide
ear
plugs
that
are
state-of-the-art
type
of
earplugs
that
will
reduce
high
decibels
and
you'd
still
be
able
to
hear
and
whatever
so
we're
doing
a
test
between
with
two
firehouses
on
that
and
we'll
compare
the
results
and
hopefully
move
forward
and
and
if
they're
comfortable
and
everybody
likes
them
and
and
they're
effective,
then
we'll
try
to
outfit
the
whole
department
with
them.
G
Thank
you,
commissioner.
I
I
don't
have
any
further
questions
for
this
round.
I'll
wait
I'll
wait
to
the
second
round.
Thank
you.
Thank
you,
madam
chair.
A
Thank
you,
council
flynn,
council
murphy.
You
have
floor.
H
Thank
you.
Thank
you,
chair,
thank
you
for
that
introduction
of
the
budget,
and
I
do
just
want
to
also
say
you
know
thank
you
for
keeping
our
city
safe,
you're,
always
on
the
front
line,
but
especially
during
the
pandemic.
You
were
all
out
there
and
you
know
answering
calls
when
most
of
us
were
home.
So
I
recognize
and
appreciate
that
so
I
did
just
want
to
start
with
that.
H
You
mentioned
the
mental
health
and
wellness
programs
and
definitely
applaud
that
and
wondering
what
more
we
can
do
you
not
just
for
our
firefighters,
but
also
knowing
that
is
there
more
training
needed,
because
you
answer
many
calls
that
aren't
just
fires
in
homes.
It
could
be
overdoses
or
you
know,
mental
health
calls
that
you
also
rushed
to
to
help
save
lives.
H
The
and
also
when
we
met,
talked
about
the
mental
health
and
wellness
programs.
I
know
council
of
flynn
touched
on
the
ptsd,
but
recovery
supports
for
your
members.
I
know
many
unions
and
labor
unions
also
are
really
stepping
up
in
that,
so
wondering
where
we
are
for
our
members
there,
and
if
we
could
do
more.
F
So
uncovery
recovery
coaching,
we
do
have
I'm
sorry,
so
we
have
a
knock
and
talk
program
that
we
use
for
mass
and
cast
and
the
opioid
crisis,
and-
and
so
we
have,
I
think,
somewhere
up
near
30
recovery
coaches
that
are
spread
out
throughout
the
department
and
those
resources
are
available
to
our
own
eap
program
to
assist
our
members.
But
but
it's
also
a
great
program
that
we
have
for
the
the
opioid
crisis.
F
One
thing
you
would
mention
with
ladder
13
we
put
out
what
we
call
delta
21
car,
which
is
on
a
grant
and
that's
that's.
F
We
use
that
at
peak
timing
and
and
the
per
it's
a
two
million
car,
that's
used
to
respond
and
it
works
out
a
headquarters
over
right
there
at
the
epicenter
of
this
and
and
it
what
it
does
is
it
frees
up
the
fire
companies
so
that
they
don't
they're
not
sending
a
ladder
4
or
814,
or
engine
22
or
engine
3
over
over
there
and
tying
4
people
up.
We
can
just
send
them
out
very
quickly.
F
I
F
Council
authority,
81
122,
total,
runs
this
past
year.
Thank.
H
You
which
ties
into
the
next
thing
I
know
council
of
flaherty,
talked
about,
but
I
had
toured
the
911
department
and
they
definitely
are
understaffed
and
stressful
calls,
and
we
definitely
need
to
do
a
better
job
supporting
that.
So
I
know
you
already
talked
about
that,
but
knowing
that,
if
we
don't
have
the
staff
answering
those
calls
when
they're
forced
over
time,
because
obviously
we
can't
have
phones
not
being
answered
when
our
residents
are
calling
for
these.
You
know
life
calls
also.
H
I
definitely
want
to
go
on
the
record
and
echo
council
of
flaherty
and
flynn
that
I
am
in
support
of
putting
car
five
back
and
also
about
the
south
boston
waterfront.
I
almost
called
it
the
seaport,
but
I
know
we'll
call
it.
The
south
boston,
waterfront
car
and
you
talked
about
it
already,
but
I
do
appreciate
your
commitment
to
the
diversity
and
that
you're,
including
trying
to
get
more
women.
H
One
question
and
it
may
not
change
your
needs,
but
with
all
the
life
science
building
going
up
across
and
the
development
across
the
city
is
there
more
of
a
need
for
fire
departments
and
different
neighborhoods
or
different
types
of
cars?
Do
you
respond
if
there
was
ever
a
fire,
because
I
know
like
when
we
mentioned
the
need
for
more
fire
around
the
hospitals.
F
F
F
I
know
we
can't
you
know
funding
everything
is
impossible,
but
so
we
try
to
pick
what
we
feel
is
going
to
be
the
biggest
bang
for
the
buck
and
and
right
now
I
I
feel
car
five
being
put
back
would
be
huge,
huge
benefit
to
the
city.
J
Thank
you,
madam
chair
good
afternoon,
everybody
good
morning
good
afternoon,
commissioner,
and
thank
you
for
everybody
to
come
out
seniors.
We
ended
with
car
five
over
there.
What
what
is
we're
still
talking
about
menino
cuts?
What
would
the
cost
be
to
reinstate
car
5
and-
and
I
know
you
would
mention
it,
but
if
you
can
say
it
again,
what
it
is
that
four
chiefs
and
four
four
drivers.
F
F
That
would
include
a
lot
of
promotion
so
as
we
promote
everybody
all
the
way
up
it
trickles
down,
so
that
would
include
promoting
four
more
captains
and
four
more
lieutenants,
so
it
affects
it
adds
to
our
ranks
and
just
on
the
on
the
chief
level,
there's
a
possibility
of
having
two
black
chiefs
promoted.
F
F
That
would
be
engine
37's
quarters
on
huntington
ave,
that's
where
they
were
housed
before
and
that's
where
we
were.
J
They
would
go
because
they
would,
and
you
you
had
said,
we
have
a
recruit,
recruit
class
in
there
with
90
90
recruits,
and
when
will
that?
When
will
that
when
will
they
graduate
they're
graduating.
F
Will
follow
right
behind
that
class
of
35,
but
we're
actually
hoping
to
pump
that
up
to
maybe
50.?
Oh
okay,
there's
a
possibility
of
reaching
for
women
yeah.
J
F
And
that
had
to
be
hired
in
a
certain
period
of
time
that
had
to
be
they
had
to
be
on
by
february
hired
by
february
28th
of
this
year,
so,
okay
and
and
and
the
the
other
class
that
we're
putting
it
on
in
at
the
end
of
june
is
the
remaining
class
numbers
we
have
for
this
year's
budget.
Okay,.
J
Okay
in
in
and
also,
I
believe,
it's
in
my
in
my
district
that
the
headquarters
like
we've
been
kind
of
scratching
the
surface
on.
When
does
that
get
into
capital
to
to
echo
what
what
council
flaherty
was
saying?
I
think
it's
time
for
a
you
know,
I
guess
we're
a
world-class
city
now
we
should
probably
have
a
world-class
headquarters,
and
would
you
have
our
other
other?
The
garage
bays
that
are
there
are
they
use
is
that
where
we
repair
our
trucks
in
there,
yes.
F
We
do
a
very
large
amount
of
repairs
with
certified
mechanics
on
site.
F
J
Yeah
yeah
the
knock
and
talk
the
knock
and
talk
program
is
that
I
know
the
I
don't
know
if
it
was
a
drug
drug
unit
or
or
somebody
else,
they
did
a
follow-up
program
when
it
was
was
when
someone
got
knock-in.
Is
that
what
this
is?
You
do
a
follow-up
exactly
if
they
actually
have
an
address
to
knock
on
a
follow-up.
When
someone
was
taken
out
exactly.
F
We're
in
the
fourth
year
of
a
four-year
grant
on
that
which
runs
out
in
september
or
october,
I
believe-
and
yes,
so
if
we
knock
in
someone,
especially
if
it's
the
home,
they
will
follow
up
the
next
day
with
with
the
patient
and
the
family
members
and
do
recovery.
Coaching.
F
Right
there,
yes,
our
knock
and
talk
program
will
show
up,
are.
J
You
having
any
success
with
that
and
what
are
they
one
of
their?
What
do
they
have
for
resources
like,
so
they
obviously
that
recovery
coach
knows
where
the
the
detox
beds
are.
If
the
person
will
go
to
a
detox,
do
they
have
all
that
available
to
them.
F
J
Always
coaching
meeting
house
hill,
so
we're
done
with
design
there
out
to
bid.
So
that
tells
me
if
we're
out
to
bid
now,
maybe
another
year,
they're
shoveling
the
ground
here
after
that
two.
So
we're
still.
I
was
hoping
three
years
away.
F
A
year
or
two
year
and
a
half
yeah
fall,
so
42
went
pretty
quick
and
that
was
even
given
going
through
the
pandemic.
So.
J
J
F
Us
a
little
detail
on
that.
We
have
a
new
recruitment
officer,
just
hired
him
in
march
and
and
we've
been,
we
actually
have
a
meeting
tomorrow.
Kathleen
do
you
want
to
go
over
the
finance
and
how
that's
all
come
into
play.
I
K
J
K
So
we'll
be
planning
along
the
way
and
determining
as
we
get
input
from
other
fire
departments
across
the
country,
as
well
as
working
with
our
new
diversity
officer,
to
figure
out.
What's
the
best
way
to
proceed
with
that.
J
And
is
it
on
the
diversity
officer
to
to
recruit
those
10
or
20
initial
people,
or
how
are
we
going
to
get
those
initial
people?
It.
F
J
Oh,
can
I
ask
one
more
question,
please,
sir
john,
the
your
people
that
were
in
jeopardy
of
losing
their
jobs
in
january?
What
is
their
status
now?
How
many
do
you
have
and
like?
So?
What
is
the
discussion?
It
kind
of
just
went
away
and
it
doesn't
seem
like
anyone's
safe
or
anyone's
in
jeopardy.
We're
kind
of
in
there.
D
D
A
Of
course,
council
bock,
you
have
before.
L
L
L
L
Well
I'll
find
it
in
a
second,
but
I
would
love
to
know
what
the
state
of
that
is.
As
you
guys
know,
that's
in
my
district,
oh
yeah.
No,
it's
the
exterior
repointing!
It's
on
220
of
the
book,
exterior
repointing,
roof
replacement,
skylight
replacement
and
repairs
to
rooftop
masonry
and
antenna
supports,
and
it
was
programmed
to
spend
very
short
money
this
year
I
guess
20,
000
and
then
1.5
next
fiscal
year,
and
so
I'm
wondering
if
that's
on
schedule.
F
I
I
believe
so
they're
doing
a
lot
of
work
over
there.
The
new
antenna
is
in.
I
can
get
back
to
you
on
the
exact
amount
of
work.
That's
been
done
and
what's
left.
L
Okay,
that
would
be
great.
I
would
love
to
know
exactly
where
we
are
on
that
and
then
with
the
engine
37
project,
that's
the
one
adjacent
to
wentworth.
F
F
Correct
there
was
going
to
be
a
special
project
and
we
were
kind
of
waiting
on
wentworth
at
this
point.
We're
we're
open
for
that.
I
think
it
would
be.
A
great
idea
would
give
us
a
even
though
it's
right
next
to
the
current
firehouse,
it
would
be
set
back
a
little
more
and
it
would
make
it
safer
for
pulling
out
and
backing
in
and
be
a
new
state-of-the-art
firehouse,
but
but
that
hasn't
gone
any
further
other
than
talk
on
it.
So.
L
Okay,
well,
I
just
encourage
you
guys
to
loop
in
with
me
on
that,
because
obviously
I
talked
to
wentworth
around
sort
of
their
overall
institutional
master
plan
and
stuff
fairly
frequently,
so
I
just
would
want
to
be
in
the
loop
on
that
and
then
the
engine
5
district,
5
chief,
not
engine,
sorry,
is
that
in
the
budget.
Is
that
the
is
that
the
three
million
dollar
increase
in
administration
like
that,
it's
included
in
or
are
you
guys
talking
about
that
as
an
aspiration
that
is
not
in
the
future.
L
K
Most
of
it,
counselor
is
related
to
even
though
there
hasn't
been
a
new
contract
for
the
718.
They
do
get
their
tcaps,
which
is
their
years
of
service.
So
there
is
an
increase
every
year
for
the
firefighters
pay.
L
Okay,
so
that's
related
to
that.
It's
not,
but
it's
not
a
hold
related
to
the
collective
bargaining.
It's
it's
something!
That's
already.
Okay,
correct
got
it
and
then
on
the
cadets.
Where
are
we
timing-wise?
Because
we've
been
talking
about
how
the
cadets
are
just
around
the
corner
for
a
few
years
now.
F
So
I
actually,
I
just
had
a
discussion
with
the
recruitment
officer
who's
working
on
the
applications,
which
is
you
know,
sizeable
application,
we're
looking
at
the
beginning
of
the
year,
possibly
putting
classes.
F
F
And
we're
also,
you
know,
so
we
want
to
also
get
social
media
information
out
on
that
and
and
do
a
lot
more
recruitment
on
that.
I
think
we're
going
to
get
a
very
big,
very
big
applicant,
pull
on
that.
Just
our
efforts
for
the
fire
teen
academy,
which
is
a
summer
job
right,
we've
already
received
over
250
applications,
which
is
awesome
so.
L
L
It
and
connie,
can
you
talk
to
me
a
little
bit
about
the
language,
the
specialized
language,
because
you
know
I
I
persist.
I've
said
this
before,
but
it
feels
to
me,
like
the
fire
stations
are
the
like
they're,
actually,
the
one
like
neighborhood
resource
in
all
the
neighborhoods
of
boston,
accepting
the
south
boston
waterfront,
where
we
are
operating
a
24
center
city
facility,
and
so
it
just
feels
to
me,
like,
as
boston,
becomes
more
multilingual.
L
You
know
thinking
about
thinking
about
all
the
ways
in
which
you're
the
front-facing
folks,
like
of
the
city,
especially
late
at
night,
right
and
and
all
the
different
functionalities.
I
mean
I've
always
felt
like
besides
the
sort
of
baby,
safe
haven
thing
and
the
narcan
thing
that
there
are
probably
more
opportunities
for
us
to
think
more
capaciously
about
what
it
looks
like
to
be
operating.
A
24
7
like
facility
in
all
these
neighborhoods,
but
certainly
language
access
is
key
to
that.
L
C
Certainly,
I
don't
have
the
numbers
offhand
of
how
many
we've
recruited
off
of
the
selective
language
certifications
over
the
last
four
or
five
years.
But
what
I
aim
to
do
is
reach
and
ask
hrd
the
state's
human
resources
division.
Each
time
we
hire
recruit
class
to
petition
to
hire
a
certain
number
of
firefighters
based
on
language
skills,
and
I
shoot
for
the
top
five
languages
spoken
in
the
homes
in
the
city
of
boston,
spanish,
haitian
creole,
cape
verde
and
vietnamese
and
chinese,
and
upon
passing,
all
the
hiring
requirements
and
going
through
the
academy.
C
That
would
be
a
bigger
discussion
with
hrd.
I
know
that
in
the
petition
process
it
is
quite
involved.
Any
municipality
seeking
a
selective
language
certification
needs
to
show
a
need
for
it.
So
it's
based
on
a
lot
of
data,
so
I
use
a
lot
of
response
data
from
the
various
neighborhoods
that
may
require
that
language,
skill.
C
Yes,
certainly,
I
believe
I've
shared
them
in
the
past
and
I
have
no
problems
sharing
them
and
we
can
certainly
follow
up
with
that,
but
for
each
recruit
class
each
time
it's
a
separate
petition,
so
it
does
involve
a
lot
of
work.
L
Right
no-
and
I
appreciate
that
it
just
feels
like
one
of
the
better
avenues
we
have
under
the
current
system
to
continue
to
expand
that
the
diversity
of
the
classes-
and
you
know,
commissioner-
and
this
is
no
knock
on
whatever
anybody's
trying
to
do,
but
it
just
it.
It
feels
to
me,
like
I
mean
I'm
not
prepared
to
celebrate
four
years
in
a
row
of
at
least
one
female
person
in
the
class
like
it's,
it's
one
out
of
90
we're
not
we're
not
even
exceeding
the
current
diversity
of
the
department
with
those
new,
but
we.
L
F
L
Subsumed
I
have
a
feeling
they
won't
say
that
okay,
great,
I
think
just
the
one
other
thing
on
language.
F
Access
point,
though,
fire
alarm
is
our
members
of
718
and,
and
we
have
a
majority
of
women
there,
so
not
everybody,
not
every
woman
wants
to
be
on
the
line,
and
I'm
not
saying
fire
alarm
is
on
the
line
in
in
no
and
they
do
great
work,
respect
so
yeah.
L
L
F
My
top
three
civilian
employees
are
women.
That's
several.
L
You
know
I,
when
I
was
at
fire
alarm,
which
I
agree:
you've
got
amazing
staff,
including
a
lot
of
amazing
women
working
there
and
I'm
proud
to
have
it
in
the
district.
The
just
one
thing,
commissioner,
just
a
thing
that
came
up
was
the
fact
that,
with
the
fire
alarm
system,
you
know
some
people
feel
that
they're
antiquated,
I
think
they're
pretty
neat.
L
I
also
think
again
thinking
about
the
multilingual
city,
the
idea
of
a
box
that
somebody
can
pull
and
indicate
that
there's
a
problem
without
having
to
identify
themselves
without
having
to
speak
without
having
to
know
the
right.
It's
actually
like
pretty
interesting
again
when
you
think
about
how
to
help
people
indicate
an
emergency.
Who
might
you
know
whether
they're,
undocumented
or
they're,
just
not
sure
like
how
to
communicate
on
the
on
the
911
call
it's
an
interesting
thing,
one
of
the
things
we
talked
about
when
I
was
there.
Thank
you
with.
L
I
F
C
Actually,
if
I
can
clarify
that's
a
two-step
petition
for
a
female
or
a
gender
certification,
unlike
languages,
which
is
solely
approved
by
hrd
for
gender-based
selective
certification,
such
as
the
female
petition
that
the
boston
fire
department
submitted,
it
gets
vetted
through,
hid
and
approve,
and
then
it
must
go
for
final
approval
with
mcad.
C
Mcad
has
denied
it
essentially
three
times
now,
so
it's
it's
we've
been
making
efforts
in
any
way
possible
with
any
and
every
tool
we
have
to
recruit
more
females.
This
is
one
of
them.
We
have
not
managed
to
get
approval
to
have
a
female
selective
certification.
M
Okay,
so
recruitment.
M
Does
the
does
firework
with
the
city's
human
resource
resources
to
host
workshops
for
employees
to
enroll
and
go
through
the
state
process
for
for
civil
service?
You
know
we
had
a
conversation
yesterday
with
isd
and
their
their
non,
not
public
safety,
but
we
talked
to
them
about.
You,
know
the
civil
service
process
and
making
people
aware
of
it
and
getting
people
on
the
list.
Do
you
work
with
human
resources
to
get
that
word
out
there
and
make
it
as
it
can
be
a
bit
of
a
mystery
to
people
how
that
works?.
C
I
would
say
that
for
the
fire
department's
recruitment
for
firefighters,
we
do
not
work
with
central
hr.
Their
focus
on
the
civil
service
end
seems
to
be
more
on
the
labor
service
positions,
which
is
different
than
firefighters
and
police
officers,
which,
under
chapter
31,
are
considered
official
service
positions.
C
M
That's
good
and,
and
then
in
terms
of
what
is
the
process
for
facilities
planning.
I
know
to
we,
commissioner
dempsey.
We've
talked
about
facilities
a
lot
in
the
last,
while
what's
the
the
process,
like
we've
already
talked
about
facilities,
what's
the
process
for
facilities
planning
in
response
to
changing
populations
and
the
increase
in
lab
facilities
across
the
city,
you
know
I
know,
allston
brighton
is
probably
going
to
increase
population.
I
don't
know
it's
definitely
moving
fast
and
we're
going
to
have
a
lot
more
lab
facilities.
M
I
just
you
know,
is
there
a?
Is
there
a
strategic
planning
process
to
respond
to
the
changing
needs
of
the
city.
F
I'd
have
to
get
back
to
you
with
specifics
on
that
right
now
we
are
without
a
facilities
manager,
he
retired
in
january
december
or
january,
and
we're
still
the
process
to
hire.
Someone
is
is
lengthy
and
we're
we're
in
the
middle
of
that
right
now.
So
that
being
said,
they're
you
know,
the
fenway
area
is
growing.
Brighton's
growing
the
seaport
area
is
growing,
so
a
study
certainly
needs
to
be
done
on
where
to
focus,
placing
a
new
firehouse.
M
So
and
you
you
expressed
your
you
know
that
you're
in
the
process
of
trying
to
hire
a
new
facilities
manager,
do
you
have
any
idea
what
the
timeline
might
be
for
for
getting
a
new
facilities
person
on
board
your
guest
as
good
as
mine,.
C
That
that's
very
difficult
in
terms
of
gauging
a
timeline,
because
in
this
particular
case
we
had
to
redraft
the
job
description.
C
I'm
hopeful
that
in
the
next
couple
of
months
all
those
steps
will
be
finalized.
So
we
can
finally
start
to
truly
recruit
and
hire
a
facility's
director
because
we
definitely
do
need
one
yeah.
M
How,
and
when
does
public
facilities
determine
when
to
pursue
taking
private
land
for
public
purposes?
How
did
that?
What
prompted
that.
F
We
purchased
that
land
to
a
deal
with
the
church
on
meeting
house
hill
and
we
didn't.
C
I
am
not
aware
of
any
eminent
domain
taking
my
understanding
that
what
is
that?
It's
solely
a
purchase
between
the
city
and
the
church.
M
I
think
it
was
just
the
language
the
language
of
the
document
suggested
was,
you
know
a
taking
of
and
that
there
was
compensation
given,
but
anyway,
that's
another
thing
in
terms
of
I'm
thinking
about
the
hazmat
facility
in
in
in
austin
brighton
and
are
we're
not
anywhere
close
to
finding
a
replacement
for
that
location.
F
M
F
We're
actively
pursuing
a
location,
that's
going
to
fit
them.
It's
a
sizable
unit,
it's
critical
unit
that
we
use
they
do
a
lot
of
technical
rescue
and
that's
those
are
the
people,
that's
what
we
used
on
last
wednesday
at
the
collapse,
so
it's
vital
that
we
find
a
good
place
for
them.
That's
centrally
located,
so
that
there's
a
quick
response.
M
And
so
the
the
location
on
holton
street
like
this,
it's
it's
part
of
the
western
ave
corridor
and
they're,
going
to
be
they're,
building,
176,
lincoln
and
then
holton
street's
going
to
come
through
that
building,
basically
or
telford's,
going
to
come
through
that
building
and
go
down
to
the
river.
So
I
don't
know
this
time
next
year.
Hopefully,
when
we
have
this
budget
hearing,
we'll
have
an
answer
to
that
question
and
that
you'll
be
find
a
place,
that's
that's
appropriate
and
central
and
meet
your
needs.
F
M
The
other
question-
and
it
is
for
your
new
facilities
manager
when
they
get
here,
is
I
really?
We
really
need
to
see
the
emergency
generator
at
the
chester
hill
chestnut
hill
fire
station
hooked
up
they've
had
it
for
five
years.
If
there's
an
emergency,
the
trucks
won't
be
able
to
get
out
of
the
firehouse.
So
it's
it's
not
a
not
a
small
thing
and
we'd
love
to
we'd
love.
To
see
that
I
have
a
constituent
who
makes
it
his
business
every
time.
There's
an
outage
and
the
power
goes
out.
M
F
Yeah
we'll
look
into
that
and
get
back
to
you.
There
must
be
something
there
must
be
a
reason
why
he
wasn't
hooked
up.
M
I
did
speak
to
the
captain
out
there
and
he
said
that
he
said
if
there's
a
fire,
we're
gonna
have
to
just
drive
through
the
doors,
because
then
you
won't
be
able
to
get
out
of
the
firehouse.
M
Yeah,
okay,
that's
good
to
know
very
good.
Thank
you,
madam
chair,
and
thank
you
all
and
also
chief
dempsey.
I
also
want
to
say
thank
you
to
your
your
team
right
and
also
brighton
and
all
of
your
because
many
it
was
a
multiple
fire
and
I
think
it
was
a
four
or
five
alarm
in
on
pressure.
When
there
was
a
fatality
last
year
was
that
last
last
fall
just
just
as
the
students
were
coming
back.
M
It
was
a
tremendous
shock
to
everyone
in
the
neighborhood,
but
we
were
very
relieved
to
know
that
our
local
fire
station
that
the
folks
down
from
the
oak
square
fire
house
were
able
to
get
there
and
physically
put
a
ladder
up
on
the
side
of
the
building
and
bring
a
young
woman
down.
But
her
her
partner
or
boyfriend
was
was
died
in
the
fire.
So
we
really
appreciate
all
the
great
work
you
do
and
the
pressure
and
the
pressure
and
the
stress
that
that
work
involves.
A
Physical
therapists,
historians
and
attorneys.
Thank
you,
council,
braden,
council,
mejia.
N
And
professional
agitators-
oh
snap!
Okay,
how
about
that
I'll
claim
that
title?
You
have
to
go
where
you're
celebrated
not
just
tolerate
it.
Okay,
that's
just
the
case
when
you
come
through
this
place,
so
I
I
do
have
some
questions
and
first,
let
me
just
begin
by
you
know,
thanking
you
guys
for
your
service
really
do
appreciate
how
hard
you
work
for
the
city
of
boston
and
and
your
hard
work
does
not
go
unnoticed.
N
N
So
just
curious!
If
you
could
just
talk
to
me
a
little
bit
about
any
recruitment
efforts
that
are
being
made
to
to
recruit
more
alarm
operators,
because
that's
an
area
of
fire
alarm
operation.
Yes,
that's
an
area
for
you
all
to
be
able
to
increase
your
diversity
right.
So
I'm
just
curious.
Like
do
you
have
a
program
in
place
too
so.
C
Yes,
the
fire
alarm
operators
is
another
title
that
is
official
service
under
the
civil
service
rules,
so
you
do
have
to
take
an
exam,
but,
unlike
the
fire
and
police
exams
which
are
now
given
every
year,
fire
alarm
operator
exams
are
just
given
when
hrd
sees
a
need
for
it.
So
it's
not
given
on
any
regular
cycle,
but
when
we
work
closely
with
hrd
and
know
that
there
is
an
upcoming
exam,
then
our
recruit
team
and
the
diversity
recruitment
officer
does
go
out.
I
N
I'm
curious,
you
know
so
I'll
just
go
on
the
record
that
I'm
also
in
support
of
car
five
and
thanks
to
the
advocacy
of
captain
higginbottoms,
who
you
know
is
the
president
of
the
balkans,
has
been
a
partner
with
our
office
and
helping
us
to
identify
ways
that
we
can
help
support
the
cadets
initiative,
and
so
we've
partnered.
N
Alongside
his
efforts,
we
put
him
in
touch
with
some
folks
at
boston
university
for
some
marketing
materials
that
could
be
more
culturally
competent,
so
we've
really
been
leaning
in
because
I'm
the
chair
of
workforce
development
and
making
sure
that
we
support
you
all
in
your
ability
to
recruit
more
folks.
In
fact,
his
team
also
participated
in
a
work
work,
job
fair
that
we
hosted
recently.
N
So
I
just
want
to
give
a
shout
out
to
his
efforts
and
and
the
work
that
they're
doing,
to
help
support
and
to
increase
the
cadet
program,
and,
and
to
that
point
I'm
just
curious
when
I
was
really
alarmed
to
hear
that
the
cadet
program
is
not
going
to
be
starting
this
fiscal
year
that
we're
looking
at
2023
is
that.
Did
I
hear
that
correct.
F
There
is
some
funding,
but
it's
not
enough
to
to
hire
20
recruits
foots
correct
caffeine
sold
for
for
at
30
000
per
recruit,
we're
talking
six
hundred
thousand
dollars
for
the
year.
I
think
we
had
150
50
000
in
the
budget,
so
we're
going
to
need
an
increase
in
that
to
at
least
300.
If
we
go,
if
we
can
put
them
on
by
january,
that's
that's
half
a
year.
N
F
We
recruited
him
from
the
police
and
specifically
recruited
him
from
there,
because
he
has
worked
with
the
cadet
program
with
the
boston
police.
We
had
had
meetings
prior
to
that
with
him.
Trying
to
you
know,
because
we're
going
from
ground
zero
here
on
this
and
trying
to
set
the
whole
program
up
from
logistics
to
applications
to
hiring
to
what
we
do
with
them
when
we
have
them
so
he's
a
big
part
of
that
and
he's.
I
F
Have
somebody
with
that
kind
of
background
in
the
position.
F
F
How
we
were
going
to
spread
them
out
and
and
what
kind
of
program
we
were
going
to
have
for
what
would
be
best
use
of
the
yeah
so
that
they
understood
what
being
a
firefighter
was
and
giving
them
a
broad
education
on
the
fire
department,
not
only
just
putting
out
fires,
but
there's
fire
prevention
and
maintenance
and
everything
else.
N
I
just
want
you
to
know
that
the
wrangler
is
going
to
go
off
in
a
second
okay,
and
so
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
I
get
to
two
more
questions.
Okay,
chairman
woman,
one
is,
I
see,
your
top
10
department,
salaries
by
race
and
gender,
and
I
was
okay,
pretty
encouraged,
but
I'm
wondering
it
was
if
this
was
a
typo,
because
I
didn't
see
any
latinos.
N
I
F
Now
I'm
trying
to
explain
the
difference
between
salary
and
earnings;
okay,
so
that's
fair
in
the
top
20
earnings.
We
have
five
minorities.
Okay.
Number
three
earner
is
a
district
chief.
N
I
got
it,
I
just
want
to
make
sure
I
ask
one
more
question
in
regards
to
this:
the
black
employees
that
are
listed
here.
Can
you
talk
to
me
a
little
bit
about
their
length
of
time
and
their
length
of
employment
like
how
did
they
get
on
this
list?.
F
They
got
on
that
list,
probably
mostly
from
doing
overtime
and
paid
details
the
opportu,
so
it
doesn't
matter
once
you're
at
a
certain
rank.
It
doesn't
matter
what
your
time
on
the
draw
was,
if
you're
at
that
rank,
but
the
other
the
opportunities
to
get
on
this
list
and
move
up
on
that
list
is
depends
on
how
much
extra
work
you
want
to
do.
Yeah.
That's
why
I
was
saying
the
number
three
guy
is
a
district
chief.
F
The
two
people
in
front
of
him
number
one
and
number
two
guys
are
deputy
chiefs,
so
they
were
already
that
much
higher
in
just
regular
earnings,
so
so
that
number
three
guy
did
an
awful
lot
of
details
and
overtimes
to
get
to
that
point
and.
N
If,
if
and
when,
because
we're
going
to
speak
it
into
existence
right
because
you
know
card
number,
five
will
be
on
deck
for
y'all.
Can
you
just
tell
me
if
you
are
anticipating,
if
it
would
be
in
fiscal
year
2022
or
as
the
same
way
that
you
did
with
car
number
10.
N
Oh
shoot:
okay,
look
at
y'all,
no
clapping
in
the
chamber.
I
don't
know
if
you
got
that
rule
up
in
here.
Okay,
this
is
a.
F
Different
way
of
decorum,
we
wanted
for
fy23,
okay,.
N
N
A
O
Thank
you,
madam
chair
apologies
for
speaking
at
a
turn
earlier.
Also,
if
you
need
a
charger,
I
have
one
here.
So
thank
you.
Do
you
need
one?
Yes,
okay,.
P
Thank
you
good
afternoon.
Everyone
thank
you,
commissioner,
and
to
everyone
who
is
here
and
all
that
you
do
to
keep
our
city
safe,
especially,
you
know
we
get
a
lot
of
calls
from
families
once
they've
been
displaced,
and
we
know
that
it
is
also
very
there's
an
emotional
tax
for
this
job
as
well,
and
so
I
appreciate
you
for
all
that
you
do
and
all
that
you
have
to
witness
and
and
and
and
still
show
up
on
the
job.
So
thank
you.
P
I
want
to
go
on
record
and
also
say
that
I
am
also
in
support
of
car
five,
and
you
know
some
other
investments
that
we
can
make
like
in
nubian
square
ladder.
Four,
there
are
other
places
where
we
could
really.
You
know
be
better
with
response
times,
and
I
think
this
isn't.
This
is
the
moment
to
really
think
about.
P
How
can
we
be
investing
in
services
to
make
sure
that
all
of
our
neighborhoods
feel
like
you
know
they
can
get
service
very
quickly,
and
so
I
want
to
go
on
in
support
of
that
as
well.
I
just
have
you
know.
It
looks
like
in
the
capital
budget.
There
is
actually
plans
to
support
maintenance
updates
to
headquarters.
I
know
that
my
colleague
council
flaherty
had
spoken
to
that
there
is,
you,
know
some
some
funding.
So
if
you
want
to
speak
to
that.
F
So
that
would
be,
I
believe,
new
roof.
It's
it's
just
repairs
on
the
building,
but
as
council
flaherty
said
the
building's
old
and
and
certainly
outdated,
and
there
have
been
talks
in
the
past
about
a
new
fire
headquarters.
P
Okay,
great
I'm
a
new
city
councilor,
trying
to
understand
what
the
distinction
is,
and
you
know
there's.
I
just
thought
there
was
a
line
item
in
the
capital
budget,
so
just
wanted
to
acknowledge
that
and
understand
what
the
additional
ask
was.
I
guess
I'm
very
curious
as
to
the
mcad
shutting
down
the
petition
regarding
female
certification.
I
want
to
lean
into
some
of
the
questions.
P
Counselor
brock
was
asking
because
to
me
it
seems
as
though
we
have
that
2018
report
right
that
talked
about
female
firefighters
within
bfd
and
things
that
we
have
to
do
in
terms
of
culture
shifts
and
dynamic
shifts
and
the
and
the
low
numbers
and
how
that
compares
nationally.
P
So
it
looks
like
there's
sufficient
data
to
be
able
to
meet
the
standard
of
which
I
think
for
gender.
I
am
a
lawyer
intermediate
scrutiny
right
to
be
able
to
have
a
gender-based
classification
as
part
of
an
employment
process,
so
I'm
trying
mcad,
which
is
supposed
to
be
guarding
and
be
proactive
when
it
comes
to
ensuring
diversity
and
against
discrimination.
P
C
I'm
happy
to
share
with
you
the
letters
they
sent,
denying
it
it's
a
very
short
letter.
Essentially,
they
said
two
main
things
number
one:
they
can't
discriminate
so
by
giving
us
a
female
gender
certification,
they'd
be
discriminating
against
men
number
two.
They
said
that
we
haven't
shown
that
we've
exhausted
all
possibilities
in
trying
to
recruit
more
females,
so
they're
not
willing
to
give
us
a
female
gender
certification.
Just
yet,
and.
P
Before
the
report-
and
we
have,
we
made
attempts
to
go
like
back
to
mcad
upon
the
issuance
of
the
report,
seeking
that
gender-based
classification.
C
Yes,
I
have,
and
I
said,
we've
been
denied
three
times
I'll
clarify
that
two
outright
denials
and
the
third
application
has
been
sitting
with
mcad
for
well
over
two
years
with
no
decision.
They
do
not
give
me
and
a
final
answer
on
that
now.
A
P
P
Okay,
what
is
the
appropriate
channel
for
like
appealing
that
decision
or
for
challenging
mcad
determination.
P
So
I
mean
I'd,
be
happy
to
to
do
the
work
or
hear
from
anybody
else
about
the
difficulties
and
challenges
there.
But
it
seems
like
if
there
are
areas
if
we
recognize
that
there's
a
problem
and
that
there
are
areas
where
we
can
like
need
to
lean
into
this
seems
like
an
area
where
we
can
and
should
be
leaning
in.
C
That's
certainly
something
for
further
and
future
discussion.
I
am
not
aware
that
any
other
fire
department
municipality
in
the
commonwealth
of
massachusetts
has
ever
petitioned
for
a
gender
based
selective
certification.
We
are
the
first
that's
great
only
so
far
and
we're
still
leading
the
way-
that's
great
slow
but
slow
and
steady
yeah.
P
And
I
just
say
this
because
there
is
a
lot
of
frustration.
I
think
that
I
experienced
as
a
lawyer
to
this
like
rules
that
were
like,
oh
well.
We
can't
push
the
boundaries
because
the
law
says
xyz
and
we
get
that
a
lot
when
it
comes
to
supply
diversity
right,
but
I
just
think
that
we
have
if
there
are
test
cases
this
should
be.
This
should
be
one
of
them.
I
I
want
to
piggyback
off
of
something
that
counts,
and
I
don't
fully
understand
it
in
terms
of
language
certification.
P
What
would
that
look
like
to
give?
And
I
guess
two
levels
of
questions
is
to
give
like
a
language
preference
if
you
could
just
clarify
that
and
have
we
thought
about,
or
have
we
tried
doing
or
do
we
have
a
bps
preference
for
for
folks
graduating
out
of
our
boston,
public
schools.
C
Preferences
are
set
by
statute
chapter
31,
so
the
boston
fire
department
has
no
control
over
the
preference
status
is,
but
what
the
hiring
rules
and
regulations
do.
Allow
is
the
selective
certification
on
skill
and
one
of
the
skills
we
use
is
languages
so
that
that's
how
we
get
the
language,
certifications
and
any
candidate
on
a
language
certification
has
to
follow
the
same
chapter.
31,
hiring
processes
as
any
other
firefighter
in
terms
of
background
check
and
the
physical
fitness
and
everything
else.
With
the
addition
of
passing
a
language
test.
Okay,.
P
And
what
about
so?
Is
there
something
we
could
do
short
of?
Like
you
know,
we
could
petition
the
state,
but
short
of
you
know
changing
state
law
when
considering
bps
bps
applicants.
C
Bp,
app
bps
applicants
would
apply
just
like
anyone
else.
There's
no
state
preference
for
bps.
P
F
We're
looking
at
that
with
the
cadet
program,
so
that
great
great,
so
that
would
be
that
would
give
them
a
little.
P
P
P
P
Within
what
is
required
under
state
law,
which
is
a
civil
service
exam?
What
are
the
things
that
we
can
do
on
our
end,
that
aren't
prescribed
by
the
state
within
hr
to
make
it?
P
You
know
to
to
do
a
better
job
of
recruitment
for
candidates
who
maybe
are
aren't
the
best
at
the
civil
service
exam
or
who
aren't
the
traditional
applicants
that
would
come
through
the
civil
service
exam
process.
C
I
think
you've
answered
your
own
question,
there's
no
magic
to
this.
We
just
have
to
put
more
resources
and
effort
into
better
and
more
outreach
and
recruitment
to
educate
all
the
neighborhoods,
especially
those
who
come
from
families
who
aren't
aware
of
what
all
civil
service
entails
and
explain
to
them
the
process.
C
What
are
the
obstacles?
There's
resources
even
on
the
hid
website
that
talks
about
what
candidates
can
do
to
prepare
for
the
exam.
So
it's
really
encourage
them
and
also
for
us,
as
the
boston
fire
department,
with
our
recruit
team
and
diversity,
recruitment
officer
just
hold
more
forums
and
just
be
more
visible
out
there
to
let
people
know
what
this
is
all
about
and
what
they
need
to
do,
and
we've
been
doing
a
better
and
better
job
at
it
each
year.
Just
given
what
the
resources
we
have.
P
It
would
say
that
ems,
they
do
a
pretty
good
job
at
you
know
diversifying
the
numbers
and
in
cities
where
I
think
commissioner
dempsey
was
saying
whether
ambulance
and
ems
are
combined.
You
that's,
where
you
see
bigger
numbers,
greater
numbers
are
there
ways
in
which
we
can
learn
from
how
ems
recruits,
or
can
we
do
recruitment
along
or
alongside
ems?
Or
what
does
that
look
like?
Because
maybe
we
can
plug
folks
who
would
traditionally
be
going
to
ems
because
they
think
that's
you
know,
and
then
we
are
able
to
attract
that
talent.
C
P
D
I,
if
we,
if
we
merged
ems
with
boston
fire,
it
would
change
the
landscape
right
away,
and
that
was
something
we
talked
with
mayor
walsh
about
now.
That's
something
that
should
be
done.
P
I
think
my
final
thing
I
was
saying
something
just
short
of
that,
but
happy
to
talk
about
that
as
well.
Just
talking
about
recruitment
efforts,
learning
from
best
practices
from
those
who
are
doing
it
well,
understanding
that
they
have
different
restrictions,
but
I
want
to
go
if
I'm
not
doing
a
good
job
at
something
I
want
to
learn
from
those
who
are
understanding
the
panoply
of
things
that
make
it
easier
for
them.
Thank
you,
madam
chair.
A
Counselor
lujan:
do
you
have
any
other
comments?
Are
you
good.
A
I
did
but
you're
doing
so.
Well,
I
am,
I
would
love
to
let
you
keep
going
okay.
Thank
you.
So
I
have
some
questions
in
the
spirit
of
my
colleague
lujan.
I
really
want
to
understand
this
as
well,
so
your
demographics
obviously
is
like
disproportionately
like
terrible,
like
terrible
compared
to
the
demographics
of
boston.
A
Boston
is
majority
minority
majority
people
of
color
majority
bipark,
whatever
whatever
name
we
give
it,
and
yet
your
your
demographics
is
actually-
and
I
guess
I
should
put
a
number
so
that
I
don't
sound
like
I
don't
know
what
I'm
talking
about.
A
So,
if
your
top
10
like
department
of
salaries,
your
10,
is
asian
20,
black
70
white
of
that
population,
20
percent,
is
female.
80
percent
is
male
of
that
population
of
the
entire
department,
95
male
5
female,
and
then
of
that
20.
The
entire
department
27,
is
bipac,
73
white
and
then
of
the
25
27.
A
I
wonder
how
many
of
those
are
actually
black,
and
so
I
always
preface
these
conversations
because
they're
hard
conversations
like
if
you
come
in
and
institutionally
or
historically
systems
have
been
racist
and
for
some
reason
this
panel
looks
majority
white
right
with
the
exception,
with
the
union.
Guy
that
you
know
with
all
due
respect.
You
know,
mr
suarez,
but
the
panel
itself,
like
in
the
department
that
we
are
looking
forward
to
is
majority
white.
A
So
when
we
look
at
that
right
that
conversation
becomes
really
hard
to
have
right,
then
you
have
like
the
defensive
responses.
People
are
getting
a
little
feisty
and
the
conversations
are
just
hard
to
have.
Does
that
mean
that
you
yourselves
are
systemically
racist?
Does
that
mean
that
we
are
saying
that
about
you?
A
Absolutely
not,
but
the
conversations
that
we
want
to
have
is,
or
at
least
what
we
are
able
to
deliver
in
our
policies
or
in
our
work,
relies
on
the
well-being
of
the
people
in
boston,
and
so
we're
all
saying
this
thing
about
how
these
systems
are
disproportionately
disenfranchising,
but
also
hurting,
but
also
killing
people
of
color,
because
economic
lack
of
economic
investment
or
mobility
in
those
communities
lead
to
poverty
lead
to
trauma
lead
to
all
of
these
other
issues.
So
I
don't
have
to
break
this
down.
A
I
don't
mean
to
be
you
know
I
don't
need.
I
don't
need
to
do
this,
because
I
know
that
I'm
talking
to
people
that
understand
this,
what
we
want
to
understand
is,
for
example,
a
u.s
marine
he's
black
and
he
is
a
us
marine.
He
serves
his
country
and
he
takes
the
test
he
passes
with
flying
colors
and
I
mean
like
98,
like
I
mean
even
oral
like
perfect
flying
colors,
everything
is
grand,
doesn't
get
in
waits
year
after
year
and
after
year
doesn't.
I
A
A
We
actually
know
and
see
and
experience
these
things,
and
so
we
want
to
know
of
your
cadet
how
many
of
those
are
going
to
be
by
poc,
because
to
make
it
fair,
it
would
be
that
100
of
them
are
black
because,
right
now
your
numbers
are
73
percent
away
and
that
doesn't
represent
boston
and
your
numbers
with
contracts
are
just
as
bad
like
majority
of
it
outside
of
boston
majority
of
it
also
not
mbe
a
majority
of
it,
also
not
black.
So
it's
not
that
you
are
creating
this
problem.
A
It's
this
perpetual
cycle
of
systemic,
whatever
oppressions
that
already
exist
pre
your
time
and
during
how
can
we
as
a
city,
work
together
to
repair
this?
That's
what
we
want
to
talk
about,
because
in
that,
in
that
spirit,
in
that
notion,
we
can
together
move
things
forward
towards
progress,
because
what
affects
you
affects
me.
You
are
my
white
brothers
and
sister
and
asian
sister,
and
what
affects
you
affects
me.
A
We're
all
the
same,
so
how
can
we
have
these
tough
conversations,
because
we're
gonna
have
them
thursday
with
bpd
right
and
that's
probably
gonna
be
just
as
bad,
but
how?
Where
do
we
start?
Where
do
we
go?
You
are
the
professionals,
but
you
get
this.
You
I'm
sure
you
get
bombarded
with
these
questions
all
the
time
and
it's
tough
for
you.
How
can
we
help
you.
F
But
if
he's
not
a
dav,
we
may
not
get
to
him
and
that
and
that's
probably
what
happened.
Can
you
explain
that,
commissioner,
if.
F
Veterans,
davs
are
the
first
list
we
have
to
exhaust
that
list.
Before
we
go
to
the
right,
the
veterans,
then
we
go
to
the
non-veterans.
F
So
as
it's
as
I
said,
and-
and
it
really
has
nothing
to
do
with
race
agenda,
we
we
look
and
we're
not
gonna,
so
I
wouldn't
bypass
your
son
for
for
herself.
Oh.
A
Forget
that
forgive
forgive
myself,
he
loves
being
a
marine
he's
not
like.
Thank
god
he's
not
like.
No,
no
forget
that
I
want
to
talk
about
what's
already
existing
the
73
percent
white
in
your
department.
I
want
to
talk
about
that.
I
want
to
talk
about.
What's
already
existing,
forget
he's
a
tiny
example:
god
willing
myself,
I'm
talking
about
situations
like
this.
That
does
perpetuate
it
on
some
level.
A
It's
some
some
level,
it's
not
equitable,
it's
not
equitable
at
all.
So
how
do
we
work
together
to
fix
that,
and
I
think
consolation
was
meant
was
talking
about?
Can
we
learn
from
best
practices
from,
for
example,
ems
or
other
institutions?
Can
we
do?
Can
we
look
at
the
way
that
they're
doing
their
recruitment
process
and
can
what
can
we
learn
from
that.
F
So
we
look
at
the
system.
How
do
you
get
here
and-
and
the
best
way
to
get
here
is
by
being
a
veteran,
our
recruitment
efforts
are
reaching
out
to
them.
We
just
had
a
meeting
with
our
general
of
military
police
last
month
with
her
whole
recruitment
team
and
and
trying
to
make
contacts
with
with
diverse
recruits
coming
out
of
the
military,
because
that's
a
way
to
get
here,
your
son's
a
good
example.
F
If
they're
not
a
dav,
we're
in
truck
we're
having
a
difficult
time,
we
can't
control
that.
I
don't
see
how
we
can.
F
A
F
A
F
A
F
So
I
I
see
the
numbers
and
and
that's
very
clear
to
see,
but
what
I
can
say
from
my
experience
at
36
years
of
a
fire
department,
and
I
think
john
saws
would
say
the
same
thing,
joe
mcmahon,
john
cerro,
or
any
other
firefighter
that
you
brought
here
whenever
we
show
up
to
an
incident.
There's
not
one
time
have
I
heard
somebody
that
we
helped
say
I
wish
you
had
been
a
black
firefighter
or
a
white
firefighter
or
a
female,
not
one
person.
I
F
F
A
F
F
Sorry,
everyone's
going
to
respond,
I
agree
with
you
on
that
and
that's
what
our
recruitment
effort
is
to
make
sure
that
we're
reaching
people
on
the
less
represented
population
we're
trying
to
educate
them
on
how
to
get
here.
That's
why
we
run
the
team
fire
academy.
That's
why
we
have
the
the
community
enrichment
program,
the
basketball
league,
whatever
the
mentor
these
kids
on
how
to
get
here.
A
You're
saying
it's
I
mean
I
get
it
you're
saying
priority:
disabled
disabled
veterans,
right
that
that
might
be
the
issue.
You
have
no
choice.
We
can't
we
can't
even
that
that
might
be
the
issue
honestly
and
you
have
no
choice
right.
Let's
have
that
conversation.
When
I
see
the
data
I
I
don't,
I
don't
want
to
upset
you.
I
want
this
to
be
a
pleasant
interaction
and
mr
suarez
did
you
have
something
to
say.
D
Did
have
the.
D
D
So
for
us
we
don't
get
involved
in
the
union
practice.
I
mean
in
the
hiring
practice,
but
our
landscape
is
changing
to
the
commissioner's
point.
The
other
day,
if
you
did
see,
we
had
plenty
of
my
my
guys
that
were
out
there
working
side
by
side,
cape
verdean,
chinese,
black
working
all
together
to
get
these
guys
freed.
I.
D
It's
gonna
car
five
will
change
that
yep
top
five
could
change
that
landscape,
but
I
think
that's
that's
something
that
is
not
where,
where
that
we
deal
with
in
in
above
us.
A
I
certainly
appreciate
your
camaraderie,
I
do
and
I
I
I
do.
I
appreciate
your
work.
I
appreciate
you
my
brother-in-law's
a
firefighter.
I
I
appreciate
you.
I
just
think
that
hard
conversations
are
hard
conversations
and
hopefully
you
understand
my
intentions
and
don't
take
it
personal.
F
There's
frustration
on
our
part.
We
have
to
follow
the
law,
so
what
the
list
comes
is
what
the
list
is.
So
that's
beyond
our
control
other
than
trying
to
educate
our
kids
as
they
come
up
through
the
process.
Some
people
don't
want
to
go
in
the
military.
I
think
it's
a
great
idea
for
a
kid.
It
makes
them.
We
know
they're
going
to
be
healthy,
you
know
they're
more
mature
and
we
and
we
know
they
can
work
under
stressful
conditions.
So
those
are
perfect.
Three
perfect
things
that
we
need
from
people.
F
A
Thank
you.
I
typically
like
to
share
my
time.
Equally
with
my
colleagues.
I
think
I've
taken
up
all
of
my
time
round,
one
and
two.
I
hope
you
can
appreciate
my
questions
and
I
look
forward
to
working
with
you
in
whatever
way
that
the
council
can
be
supportive
council
flaherty.
You
have
to
make.
B
Sure
and
obviously
respecting
the
commission
is
hands
are
tied
with
the
state
civil
service
laws,
as
well
as
absolute
veterans
preference.
I
really
appreciate
your
efforts
with
respect
to
car
5
because
it
will
make
a
difference
when
you
have
the
upper
echelon
of
the
department,
looking
like
the
face
of
the
city
and
having
guaranteed
one,
possibly
two
chiefs
of
the
department
put
themselves
potentially
positioned
to
be
considered
as
a
future
commissioner
to
be
sitting
in
your
seat.
It
was
tremendous
that
you
had
raised
that
earlier
in
the
hearing
and
I'll
make
a
couple
comments.
B
My
criticism
of
the
veterans
preferences.
I
believe
it
should
be
point
of
entry,
I'm
going
to
get
real
parochial
here
when
we
get
men
and
women
who
serve
our
country
respectfully,
that
are
from
mississippi
in
oklahoma
or
in
chicago
all
good
stuff,
but
go
on
the
mississippi
fire
department
won
the
oklahoma
fight
about
it.
They
come
here,
arguably
one
of
the
best
jobs
in
the
country
and
it
bumps
out
a
kid
that
was
born
and
raised
here
in
the
city.
B
So
I
think
that
veterans,
preference
should
consider
point
of
entry,
not
sort
of
point
of
exit
and
give
them
the
opportunity
to
set
up
shop
to
meet
the
residential
crime,
and
that's
my
criticism
of
that.
I
also
think
that
it
shouldn't
be
a
competition
between
davs
and
veterans.
I
think
it
should
be
one
umbrella
and
veterans.
B
We
are
going
to
be
on
pace
to
have
a
complete,
a
whole
department
that
is
disabled,
arguably
and
not
probably
indefensible
to
the
taxpayer,
but
but
but
important
to
recognize
their
service
important
to
recognize
their
disability
as
a
result
of
their
service.
So
what
are
people
advising
young
men
and
women
that
are
going
into
the
service
going
into
the
service
is
not
an
absolute
that
you'll
be
on
be
able
to
get
on
to
the
fire
department.
B
You
actually
have
to
advise
a
young
man
or
woman
that
it's
probably
in
the
best
interest
of
you,
know,
get
get
a
disability
write
up
before
they
leave
service.
It's
like
what
are
we
doing?
It's
like
we're
gaming,
the
system,
and
so
I
therein
lies
a
big
part
of
the
problem.
Commission.
I
know
state
civil
service
ties.
B
Your
hands
on
one
section
and
obviously
absolute
veteran
preference,
giving
disabled
veterans
preference
again
this
I
respect
their
service
and
I
respect
the
fact
that
they
were
disabled
in
the
line
of
their
service,
but
as
it
pertains
to
making
sure
that
we
have
a
department
that
looks
like
the
face
of
the
city,
we
are
sort
of
rubbing
up
against
that
and
then
going
back
to.
B
B
You
are
members,
black
white
brown,
male
female
asian
they're,
their
own
billboard.
It's
up
to
those
folks
to
get
out
into
their
respective
communities
in
in
inspire
or
help
lift
up
or
introduce
that
young
man
and
young
woman
from
their
community
to
the
opportunity
on
the
boston
fire
department.
B
You
can
spend
all
the
money
in
the
world
in
recruitment
and,
as
I
said
it
from
my
opening
statements,
you
either
like
growing
into
a
burning
building
or
you
don't
you
like,
being
70
feet
up
and
the
burning
underneath
you
is
on
fire
and
you're
aerating
that
building
that's
not
for
everybody.
But
if
that's
for
you,
then
that
opportunity
and
you're
from
the
city
of
boston
that
opportunity
should
be
there
for
you
on
this
job,
but
for
state
civil
service,
tying
your
hands
and
absolute
veterans.
Preference
therein
lies
a
big
part
of
it.
B
So
we
can
continue
to
have
these
hearings
year
in
and
year
out
and
critique
these
numbers.
And
if
we
go
back
to
the
individual
members
and
really
encourage
them
to
get
out
there
and
sort
of
and
when
you
think
about
your
job,
it's
it's.
Basically:
sons
and
daughters
of
former
your
members,
sons
and
daughters
of
you.
It's
almost
like
it's
a
it's
a
familial
thing
and
you're,
seeing
it
now
in
the
gay
verdean
community
right
and
we
want
to
see
that
in
all
communities.
B
And
so
I
would-
and
I
would
encourage
and
enlist
your
members
at
7
18
to
get
out
into
their
respective
communities
and
talk
about
the
job
and
how
rewarding
it
is
and
how
exciting
it
is
and
how
they
make
a
difference
and
how
saving
lives
etc.
That's
our
biggest
asset,
our
biggest
asset,
is
our
current
personnel
spreading
the
word
across
our
city.
The
problem
becomes:
is
the
state
civil
service
plus
absolute
veterans,
preference
shifting
gears?
B
Last
week
we
were
in
this
session,
we
were
in
chamber
and
we
heard
about
the
collapse
of
the
edison
I
put
on
the
scanner
and
there
was
a
another
collapse
almost
immediately
after
in
west
roxbury,
then
someone
struck
the
box.
There
was
an
incident
out
in
council
braden's
district
out
in
brighton
all
three
of
them
happening
at
the
same
time,
and
I
guess
from
a
technical
rescue
standpoint,
do
we
have
enough
sort
of
technical
rescue
personnel
to
sort
of
handle
that
type
of
situation?
B
I
know
it
doesn't
happen
every
day.
I
know
that
it
does
happen
a
few
times
a
year
when
that
happens,
with
multiple
boxes
being
struck
in
major
incidents.
Do
you
feel
that
we
have
the
coverage?
Clearly,
car
5
addresses
that
as
well,
but
is
there
anything
else,
that's
missing.
I
guess
in
our
tool
protecting
the
public
safety.
F
That
is
rare,
I
not
as
rare
as
you
would
think
as
far
as
multiple
fires
at
the
same
time,
but
certainly
the
collapse
issue,
but
we
had
resources
to
handle
all
that
at
the
time.
If
we
didn't
come
up
short,
that's
where
mutual
aid
companies
come
in,
usually
we're
the
ones
providing
the
mutual
aid,
but
the
running
cards
afford
coverage
for
fires,
especially
the
other
way
as
well.
D
Okay,
can
I
speak
on
that
that
that's
one
of
the
points
that
I
had
that
with
we
have
a
an
area
that
we're
lacking.
We
have
our
our
tactical
trucks
that
work
with
the
tower
ladder:
3
towel
out
of
10.,
there's
an
h4
h6
h8
unit
that
travels
with
them
that
carries
all
of
the
support
stuff.
D
Unfortunately,
we
don't
have
enough
staff
to
keep
a
member
at
the
firehouse
ready
to
roll
with
that
truck.
If
an
incident
happens.
So
what
happens
toward
a
three
has
to
swing
the
block
come
back
drop
a
member
off,
so
he
can
go
into
the
truck
or
he
or
she
could
go
into
the
truck
and
follow
them
back
to
the
scene.
That's
one
of
the
issues
we
have
with
our
dive
truck
our
dive
truck
stationed
at
engine
20
in
newport.
D
We
had
seven
all
calls
for
the
dive
team.
This
year
over
the
year
we
had
the
boat
incident
in
the
harbor
we
had
the
young
cape
verdean
member,
that
was
in
pleasant
bay.
We
had
the
young
man
in
west
roxbury
and
then
we
had
the
assistance
that
we
gave
to
milton
at
houghton's
pond.
Just
to
name
a
couple
that
they
had
when
engine
20
is
out,
what
happens?
Is
they
swing
back
drop
a
member
off
drives
the
dive
truck
to
the
scene
and
the
dive
members
show
up
there.
D
We
should
have
that
truck
staffed
with
two
divers
during
the
summer
months
and
that's
something
that
we
should
do.
The
tactical
support
trucks
were
some
of
the
things
that
we
were
lacking
in,
and
I
think
that
having
a
towel
out
of
putting
ladder
13
back
in
the
south
end
is
a
key
part
of
that
takes
away,
takes
away
a
lot
of
that
running
from
ladder.
Four,
a
lot
of
twenty.
H
Thank
you,
so
it
is
kind
of
fascinating
how
few
women
even
apply,
and
I
do
know
we
are
smart
enough.
We
are
strong
enough,
so
wondering,
and
we
do
know
many
of
our
veterans
are
male.
What
are
your
chances
connie?
Maybe
you
could
help
with
this
one
if
you're
a
woman
who's,
not
a
ventr
veteran?
What
are
your
chances
of
getting
on
the
fire?
Do
you
have
to
also
be
a
veteran
to
get
a
shot
at
it.
C
I
will
answer
it
this
way
you
don't
have
to
be,
but
that
would
be
the
quickest
path
and
any
other
tools
we
have
that
we
could
use
to
get
more
female
firefighters
on
the
job
I've
been
trying,
the
mcad
is
one
of
them.
The
cadet
class
could
be
yet
another
and
again
it
comes
back
to
sufficient
outreach
and
recruitment,
but
then-
and
language
is
another
one
as
well.
I
mean
several
of
the
female
firefighters
I've
put
on
in
the
last
couple
of
years.
C
H
C
H
C
I
mean
yeah
right
and
I
do
want
to
add
that
when
you
look
at
demographics
nationally,
comparing
just
apples
to
apples
and
oranges
to
oranges
for
career
service,
fire
departments
across
the
country.
The
average
of
female
firefighters
on
the
departments
is
four
percent,
but
those
include
those
that
have
dual
service
where
the
fire
departments
run
the
ems
ems,
when
you
distill
it
down
to
single
service
that
the
boston
fire
department
is
where
it's
fire
suppression.
Only
the
national
average
is
hovering
around
one
percent,
and
that's
where
we
are.
M
Thank
you,
madam
chair.
I
see
that
there's
something
in
the
budget
for
repair
of
the
sea
wall
at
the
is
it
the
moon,
island
facility
training
facility.
I'm
just
curious,
is,
is
the
facility
in
danger
of
of
you
know,
with
rising
sea
levels,
or
is
it
something
we
need
to
relocate
somewhere
else.
F
No,
the
facility's
fine
kathleen
you
wanna.
K
So
they,
when
the
facility
was
built,
the
fema
maps
or
flood
maps
at
that
time
did
not
have
a
risk
of
the
training
facility
being
underwater.
If
you
will,
they
did
change,
fema
changed
the
flood
maps
in
2014.,
so
based
on
their
definition,
the
academy
would
be
about
two
feet
of
sea
water
at
the
base.
K
Part
of
the
reason
for
this
repair
to
the
sea
wall
is
not
just
to
repair,
but
to
raise
it
so
that
if
you
have
a
storm
surge
that
would
mitigate
the
the
problem
with
it
being
at
risk
based
on
the
fema
maps
yeah.
That
makes.
M
Good
sense,
I
wonder
how
much
time
that
puts
on
the
clock
for
us,
though,
and
let's
see
the
other
question,
I
remember.
Last
year
we
had
a
an
environment
meeting.
There
was
a
grant
for
a
installation
of
a
fema
photovoltaic
installation
at
moon
island
for
your
on
your
training
facility
was
that
ever
installed
and
how's
it
going.
M
F
That's
been
mentioned,
I'm
not
they're
doing
a
lot
down
there
yeah,
so
I'm
not
sure
where
they
are
and
that
whether
it's
up
and
running
yet
but
but
I
know
it's
good.
I.
M
Think
it
had
a
dual
purpose
and
it
held
it
taught.
You
know
for
teaching
fire
fighters
to
d
how
to
deal
with
photovoltaic
installations
and
how
to
cut
the
power
off
before
you
start
engaging
with
it
and
then
also.
I
think
it
was
going
to
generate
power
for
use
as
well.
So
it
was
good
and
then
I
really
wish
I
don't
know.
Madam
chair,
do
we
have
another?
Do
we
have
a
hearing
with
facilities,
property
management?
Have
we
were
they
here
last
week
and
without
a
very
crucial
introduction
or
there's.
A
M
Yeah,
no,
it's
just
a
I
just
I'm
just
wondering
back
to
our
question
earlier
about
the
about
the
dorchester
fire
depart
firehouse
the
new
one.
It
was
actually
taken
by
eminent
domain
and
a
very
friendly
transfer
of
property.
M
It
wasn't
a
hostile
takeover,
but
the
documentation
did
say
that
it
was
I'm
just
I'm
just
thinking
about
you
know
in
austin
brighton
we
have
so
little
publicly
available
land
and
it's
not
just
to
do
with
fire
department,
but
that-
and
I
just
would
love
to
you-
know-
pursue
this
with
with
property
management,
about
how
often
this
happens
and
and
what
what
what
situations
prompted
to
be
taking
to
take
a
piece
of
land
by
eminent
domain,
even
in
a
friendly
friendly
takeover.
M
It's
just
something
I
wanted
to
drill
down,
but
we'll
maybe
circle
back
to
pro
facilities
management
later
at
another
time,
but
also
thank
you
so
much.
Thank
you.
N
Thank
you
and
you
all
know
right.
We've
been
down
this
road.
N
We've
asked
the
same
questions
that
my
colleagues
are
asking
this
time
around,
so
you
can
understand
the
level
of
frustration
when
we
come
back
and
the
numbers
have
not
moved
the
efforts
have
been
slow
and
so
the
sense
of
urgency
around
this
issue,
I
think,
is
important,
especially
because
I
am
the
chair
of
workforce
development,
labor
and
economic
empowerment
and
all
of
those
things
impact
people
of
color
in
particular,
so
just
want
you
to
understand
the
demeanor
and
which
why
I
show
up
the
way
that
I
do,
and
I
also
just
want
to
just
thank
the
lawyers
for
civil
rights
ivan
espinosa,
who
has
been
working
in
deep
partnership
with
captain
higginbottom
from
the
balkans
around
a
lot
of
these
issues,
specifically
around
the
civil,
the
civil,
the
way
the
civil
situation
is
set
up
so
that
it
a
lot
it
prevents
people
of
color
from
really
obtaining
these
opportunities
right.
N
So
there's
some
things
that
you're
right,
commissioner,
there's
just
there's
just
so
much
that
you
can
do
with
the
statue
the
way
that
it's
created
and
that
prevent
you
all
from
reaching
your
diversity
goals,
and
I
have
come
to
learn
that,
through
the
advocacy
that
I've
done
in
partnership
with
other
folks
who
have
been
at
this
way
longer
than
me.
And-
and
so
I
know
that
there
is
frustration,
but
with
that
the
city
also
needs
to
take
some
responsibility
that
just
because
things
are
they're
set
up.
N
The
way
that
they
are
doesn't
necessarily
mean
that
they
need
to
continue
to
be
that
way.
And
so,
when
consola
louisiana
is
talking
about
what
can
we
do
and
thinking
outside
the
box?
You
know,
council
clarity-
and
I
talked
about
the
mattress
address.
Remember
that
flaherty
yeah
right,
like
there
are
people
who
live
in
here
in
the
city
of
boston
who
can't
who
don't
qualify
or
that
actually
qualify,
because
they
had
a
three-month
address
here.
N
So
there's
a
lot
of
systems
that
are
in
place
not
just
in
the
fire
department
but
just
systemic,
that
give
people
sometimes
the
upper
hand,
and
so
these
conversations
are
not
new,
and
so
you
know
there's
just
a
lot
more
that
we
we
can
do
so.
I
have
a
few
more
questions.
C
When
we
go
out
and
do
our
recruitment
efforts,
the
recruitment
team
is
educated
in
how
the
selective
language
certifications
work
and
they
do
encourage
any
prospective
candidate.
If
you
have
a
language
skill
make
sure
you
update
your
hid
profile
so
that
if
and
when
the
boston
fire
department
is
able
to
get
a
language
certification,
you're
already
right
there
for
your
name
to
be
given
to
the
boston
fire
department.
So
it's
part
of
our
outreach
that
we
educate
them
to
do
that.
Thank
you
for
that.
N
And
can
you
tell
me
what
the
return
on
investment
has
been
in
regards
to
those
efforts?
Can
you
just
talk
to
me
a
little
bit
about
in
the
last
two
recruitment
classes?
What
that
racial,
you
know
breakdown
looks
I
mean,
excuse
me,
language,
wait.
Can
you
talk
to
me
about
what
the
outcome
of
that.
C
N
At
some
point,
I'd
love
to
get
some
data
and
some
background
on
just
the
the
ratio
and
gender
and
language
makeup
of
your
recruit
class.
That
would
be
helpful
to
have,
and
can
you
just
talk
to
me
a
little
bit
about
you,
know
the
new
commissioner?
N
Well,
the
potential
or
the
chief
of
department
being
hired.
You
know
I'm
just
curious
about
what
opportunities
exist
for
in
increasing
diversity,
because
I
don't
would
that
require
like?
Is
that
a
civil
promotion?
What
does
that
look
like.
N
F
N
F
Are
right
now
at
the
deputy
chief
position
there
and
there
are
neither
we're
on
the
verge
of
hiring
one
promoting
one?
I
should
say
that
that
would
be
within
the
next
month.
F
Shall
I
say,
motivation
has
to
be
internal
for
that,
and
and
we
encourage,
we
encourage
everybody
to
study
for
promotion
and
move
up,
but
that
takes
time
it
takes
a
career
to
get,
and
you
don't
want
people
moving
up
too
quickly
and
being
put
in
we're
putting
them
in
a
position
that
they're
not
going
to
be
able
to
handle
everybody
moving
up
is
learns
the
position
and
then
moves
up
to
the
next
step
and
takes
on
that
responsibility.
F
Move
up
too
quick
and
you
can
be
put
in
a
position.
That's
going
to
be
could
make
bad
decisions,
and
that-
and
these
are
life
and
death
decisions-
sometimes.
N
Great
thanks
and
then
I'm
just
curious,
so
it
sounds
like
to
me
that
the
issue
is
not
just
around
recruitment.
There's
also
some
opportunities
for
us
to
work
on
creating
meaningful
pathways
for
women
and
people
of
color
to
also
move
up
literally
the
latter
right.
I.
N
Tests
and
things
that
you
need
to
do
and
you
need
to
be
prepared
for,
but
it
seems
like,
if
we're
not
prepared
to
have
someone
step
into
that
role
in
this
moment.
That
is.
That
is
something
for
us
to
consider
in
terms
of
growth,
right
and
areas
of
opportunities
for
us
to
be
able
to
to
just
be
super
mindful.
This
is
a
it's
just
an
opportunity,
and
then
I
just
want
to
be
really
clear
that
I
hope
you're
not
saying
that
the
majority
of
the
candidates
need
to
be.
N
They
need
to
claim
a
disability
in
the
military
to
become
a
firefighter.
That's
not
that's,
not
the
narrative
that
we
want
to
put
out
there
right.
That's
not
what
we're
saying
is.
N
A
Thank
you
councilman
here,
councillor
jen,
you
got
the
floor.
P
Madam
chair,
just
a
few
questions.
You
know
we're
in
budget
season.
How
can
we
use
and
obviously
there's
a
number
of
us
that
care
deeply
about
diversifying
the
fire
department?
I
think
just
to
underline
something.
Counselor
fernand
janison
was
saying
it's
because
these
are
really
good
jobs
right.
When
you
look
at
the
top
earnings
of
city
employees,
fire
department
is
often
in
the
top
of
those
jobs,
and
if
we,
if
the
fire
department
isn't
diverse,
then
it's
another.
P
It
presents
itself
as
another
barrier
to
black
and
brown
folks
in
the
city
where
the
racial
wealth
gap
is
so
pernicious
and
we
have
to
do
our
best
as
city
councilors,
as
people
elected
by
the
people
to
try
to
close
that
gap.
So
how
can
we
use
this
budget
to
do
the
thing
that
we
all
want
to
do,
which
is
you
know,
further,
diversify
the
fire
department,
so.
F
P
I
I
just
mean:
is
there
a
tangible
other,
tangible
things
that
we
can
do
that
we
can
advocate
in
lobby
for
as
a
city
council
right
now
we're
in
budget
season?
We
have
the
jurisdiction
and
control
over
this
budget
to
say
all
right.
We
need
to
help.
We
need
to
sponsor
more
partnerships
with
madison
park
or
something
like
that
like
something
that
we
can
actively
do
to
support
you
in
your
efforts
to
diversify
bfd.
F
Yeah
I
mean
we
we've
in
the
past
held
classes
for
promotional
exams,
but
in
the
end
everybody's
got
the
same
material
and
everybody's.
F
You
know,
depending
on
who
you
are,
if
you
have
kids
or
you
have
free
time,
whatever
everybody
has
their
own
level
of
what
time
they
can
put
into
studying
regardless.
So
the
people
put
the
most
time
in
and
prepare
properly
are
going
to
move
up
when
there's
an
opportunity,
and
if
I
didn't
get
promoted
on
every
single
test
I
took
because
you
know,
if
you
have
the
kids
going
to
hockey
or
whatever
that
takes
away
from
time
from
you
study
when
you
put
in
the
effort,
then
you
get
it
and
that
goes
across
the
board.
F
F
I
don't
mean
it
that
way
if
you're
next,
regardless
of
who
you
are
we're
going
to
promote
you,
that's
how
the
system
works.
D
Yeah
by
bringing
car
five
back,
that
would
help
that
would
help
because,
as
the
commissioner
said
earlier-
that's
four
chiefs,
four
captains,
four
lieutenants
and
that
carries
through
and
if
they,
if,
if
ladder
13
was
able
to
come
back,
that
would
be
a
captain
in
three
lieutenants.
D
So
again
that
would
that
would
help
with
the
and
the
commission
is
100
right.
I
mean,
as
far
as
civil
service
goes
and
the
way
we
do
our
testing
johnny's
a
lieutenant.
I'm
a
lieutenant.
We
sit
down
at
a
table.
We
take
a
test.
The
best
score
gets
the
job
we're
in
agreement
with
that.
We
we
know
that
that
works
and
that's
fair.
D
So
we're
not
looking
to
change
that,
because
I,
I
know
a
lot
of
the
guys
that
are
on
this
list,
that
our
chiefs,
jonathan
rodney
and
those
guys
that
are
all
deputy
district
chiefs,
andre,
wouldn't
wouldn't
have
wanted
the
job
any
other
way,
because
when
you
get
back
to
a
firehouse
and
sit
in
the
kitchen,
you
want
the
respect,
the
way
that
he
got
it
the
way
that
he
got
it.
D
A
P
D
And-
and
that's
that's
again,
another
way
for
us
to
help
a
member,
because
if,
if
we
do
fill
these
gaps
that
we
need
there,
there
is
a
a
pay
increase
that
goes
with
there's
a
little
bump
up,
there's
kind
of
like
a
lieutenant's
pay
for
a
lot
of
guys.
That
would
end
up.
That
would
run
these
specialty
units
that
would
help
out
a
lot
of
people.
D
So
I
think
if
we
fill
the
gaps
of
what
we
need
here
again,
like
I
said,
I'm
talking
about
the
dive
team,
I
myself
were
just
proud
of
what
they
were
able
to
do
this
past
year
I
mean
I
stood
on
every
beach
that
they
were
working
at.
I
was
at
pleasant
bay,
and
that
was
a
a
tough
day.
You
know
that
was
a
big
cape
verdean
family
that
was
there.
The
the
one
in
west
roxbury
sat
there
at
milton
milton
was
another
cape
verdean
at
the
houghton's
pond.
D
But
our
guys
were
there
working
side
by
side
with
them
in
the
boat
accident,
went
late
into
the
night,
so
you
know,
and
the
other
part
was
to
councilwoman
ruth
louisian,
that
that
fire
that
we
had
on
blue
hill
ave
was
a
house
that
was
occupied
by
a
majority
of
haitian
families.
We
had
members
on
ladder
28
members
of
on
engine
48
who
were
there
to
speak
to
those
families.
D
Yeah
they
really
were
and
yeah,
and
I
I
was
standing
there
in
the
street
when
they
showed
up
to
help
those
families.
I
mean
I
to
me
that
was
one
of
the
reasons
why
I
worked
at
dudley
street.
I
worked
at
meeting
house
hill
because
I
wanted
to
work
in
the
areas
that
I
grew
up
and
could
take
care
of
our
families.
So
yeah,
that's
one
of
the
things
that
gives
me
pride
and
joy
in
this
job.
P
Thank
you
and
out,
you
know
and
incredible
work.
Those
guys
are
really
awesome.
We're
actually
having
a
haitian
breakfast
on
friday
and
a
lot
of
them,
hopefully
we'll
be
able
to
make
it,
and
you
know,
as
an
attorney.
I've
represented
families
that
were
displaced
by
fires
and
the
work
that
I
did
alongside
the
fire
department
was
really
wonderful.
So
again,
a
lot
of
respect
for
the
work
you
do.
You
just
think
these
counselors.
We
just
want
to
make
sure
that
these
jobs
are
more
accessible
to
people.
P
C
P
I
mean
you
could
talk
about
the
if
you
know
from
the
consent
degree
from
1974.
How
did
that
help
in
sort
of
diversifying
the
fire
department.
C
C
B
I
believe,
if
I'm
not
mistaken,
it
led
to
dozens
of
dozens.
G
B
Folks,
filing
a
lawsuit
and
and
then
won
the
lawsuit
for
being
bypassed,
I
think
so
it
really
didn't
have
any
effect
if
anything,
it
set
probably
set
the
city
back
a
little
bit
and
just
my
two
cents
from
remembering
how
that
happened
in
terms
of
the
diversification
of
the
force
and
also
the
council,
rusi
luigian
made
an
interesting
point.
We've
talked
about
car
five
today
on
ad
nauseam,
so
I
know
the
administration
knows
how
important
it
is
to
this
body,
but
the
critical
piece
of
that
and
she
raised
us
like
what
el?
B
What
can
we
do?
We
have
to
be
judicious
on
the
list,
so
this
car
5
only
makes
sense
if
it
covers
this
current
list,
because
we're
obviously
increasing
safety
over
the
the
hospital
in
the
lab
area
and
we're
increasing
diversity.
The
upper
excellence
at
a
certain
point
in
time
this
list
dies
and
the
new
list
takes
its
place
and
the
same
argument
may
not
be
able
to
be
made
on
the
second
leg
of
that.
B
The
public
safety
argument
can
be
made,
but
the
diversity
of
the
higher
echelon
so
to
counselor
louisian's
point
is
we
always
have
to
be
mindful
of
the
list
and
john
you
probably
in
7.
18,
probably
follows
this
list,
not
just
the
chief
list,
but
the
captain's
list
of
lieutenants
list.
B
There
may
be
periods
of
time
during
the
course
of
the
year
or
in
budget
cycles,
when
we
may
have
to
make
an
additional
commitment
to
to
dig
into
the
list
to
be
able
to
catch
those
that
are
on
the
list
before
they
expire
on
the
list.
So
we
can
increase
diversify
the
department.
So
it's
not
just
about
sort
of
the
list.
There
are
lists
that
have
a
bunch
of
names
on
them,
but
if
you
don't
get,
your
name
doesn't
get
called
by
a
certain
period
of
time.
You
die
on
that
list.
B
You
have
to
take
a
new
test
to
the
commissioner's
point.
Most
of
these
folks.
Don't
you
know,
don't
get
it
on
that
first
test
or
second
test.
It
takes
a
while
because
of
the
training
and
experience
and
the
expertise
that
goes
into
it.
You
know,
as
as
the
test
increase
in
terms
of
lieutenant's
test
and
there's
the
captain
system,
there's
the
chiefs
test,
but
something
needs
to
be
said
that
we
probably
working
with
718
in
the
council.
B
D
For
us
it's
a
difficult
spot
because
again
we
we
don't
get
involved
in
the
hiring
side.
We
wait
for
people
to
come
and
we
try
to
stay
out
of
the
promotion
side.
You
know
with
718
being
you
know,
we
we
pit,
member
against
member.
We
can't
have
that,
like
I
said
who
sits
down
and
takes
the
test,
the
highest
score
gets
to
gets
the
job,
so
we
try
to
stay
out
of
it,
even
though
I
I
myself
was
a
victim
in
in
it
and
as
being
a
union
member
right.
So.
B
And
then
we
approve
for
a
position
or
we
fund
a
position
that
allows
you
to
get
that
particular
individual
could
be
a
haitian
firefighter.
That's
literally
on
the
list
that
if
we
don't
make
that
decision
that
person
dies
on
the
list
has
to
retake
it
may
not
perform
as
well
as
he
did
initially
or
she
did
initially.
I
mean
there's
so
many
variables
or
there's
a
whole
new
effect
in
the
list.
The.
F
List
changed
all
the
different
dates
for
each
list
right
so,
for
instance,
the
chiefs
list
that
we're
talking
about
here
expires
on
september
25th
of
this
year
right.
So
this.
A
Ferrari,
allow
me
to
let
my
favorite
council
president
you're
not
leaving
us
now
that
you.
G
Thank
you,
madam
chair,
and
apologize
to
you,
madam
sharon,
to
the
the
piano
that
I
had
to
step
out
for
for
a
bit
also
dealing
with
hr
some
hr
issues.
So
I
apologize,
but
I
wanted
to
be
here
for
this
piano
with
certainly
with
the
fire
department,
but
also
with
the
718
local
718
team
as
well.
G
So
thank
you,
john
in
and
john
for
the
important
work
you
do
and
I
started
my
comments
earlier
about
the
health,
safety
and
wellness
of
of
firefighters
in
their
families
and
that's
critical
is
also
addressing
the
needs
of
the
of
their
family.
Sometimes
we
don't
stress
that
enough
about
our
city,
about
our
city
workers,
but
just
want
to
highlight
the
incredible
role
our
first
responder
families
play
in
in
our
city
and
the
safety
of
our
city
and
the
the
strength
and
the
diversity
of
our
city.
G
Firefighters
and
their
families
have,
as
it
relates
to
some
of
these
high
high
rates
of
of
cancer,
we're
seeing
with
with
firefighters,
whether
it's,
whether
it's
heart
issues,
whether
it's
it's
lung
issues,
whether
it's
respiratory
issues,
various
other
various
cancers,
pancreatic
cancer.
D
We
again
partnered
with
the
commissioner
with
grail
grail,
is
an
amazing
system
which
they
draw
your
blood.
They
were
able
to
find
pancreatic
cancer
in
a
in
a
in
a
guy
in
its
second
stage,
which
is
unheard
of
so
we
had
that
held
at
florian
hall.
We
brought
everyone
in.
We
had
the
members
rotating
through
that
could
do.
D
We
got
everybody
who
was
30
to
32
years
on
the
job,
50
years
old
or
older,
and
we're
hoping
to
move
that
next
group
we
have
one
of
our
one
of
our
youngest
one
of
our
younger
guys
on
this
job.
Dan
ranahan
started
the
local
718
cancer
fund,
which
he's
working
with
us
danny's
doing
a
great
job
in
raising
money.
He
had
a
mass
in
his
chest
that
was
removed.
D
You
know
just
had
his
second
child,
but
he's
doing
well
he's
he's
doing
a
great
job
with
with
raising
money,
building
to
help
us
put
some
more
people
in
tests
with
the
grail.
We
have
the
full
body
scans
that
the
members
are
doing
and
that
that's
that's
a
big
part
of
it.
Early
detection
is
key
for
us.
You
know
a
lot
of
these
firehouses
one
of
the
things
that
we
probably
need
to
look
into
is
a
barrier,
because
some
of
these
kitchens
are
on
the
main
floor
of
these
fire
houses.
D
So
when
the
apparatus
has
started
fumes
are
going
in,
I
mean
we
do
have
the
plymouth
vents,
but
I
think
johnny
may
have
a
couple
of
other
things
that
he
was
trying
to
touch
on.
If
you
guys
could
give
him
a
minute
to
speak.
Yes,
is
it.
E
And
chairman,
thank
you.
I
have
a
couple
things
I
like
to
talk
about
is
ladder.
13
is
very
important
to
us
because
it's
actually
life
safety
for
everybody,
because
if
you
look
at
ladder
four
coming
from
dudley,
you
have
ladder
15
coming
from
boylston
street
ladder.
17
coming
from
the
south
end,
that's
a
quite
a
big
area
that
we
still
need
to
cover,
and
I
think
that
would
help
you
know.
Mass
and
cass
and
life.
Safety
is
a
big
thing
for
local
70
team.
E
Another
thing
I
like
to
talk
about
is
that
the
active
shooter
we
work
close
with
boston
police
in
boston
ems,
but
we're
lacking
our
helmets
and
invest
ourselves.
So
I
think
the
companies
that
are
going
to
the
train,
with
the
police
and
with
the
ms,
we
should
have
our
own
equipment
also
because
at
those
different
incidents
you
could
have
a
building
fire
and
we'd.
Probably
we
would
have
to
have
our
blister
coming
on
and
our
vest.
E
So
I
think
it's
very
important
that
we
look
at
that
into
council
flares
point
with,
like
the
when
you
look
at
the
technical
rescue.
When
you
look
at
the
hazmat,
we
should
be
running
the
companies,
one
officer
and
four
guys
we
need.
We
need
the
help
just
to
get
the
equipment
in
the
building.
You
know,
even
if
you
look
at
the
boston
edison
incident
that
we
just
had
it
just
wasn't
technical
rescue,
it
turned
in
turned
out
to
be
a
hazmat
incident.
Also,
so
that's
more
resources
that
we
need.
E
G
Yeah,
thank
you.
Thank
you
for
those
comments
and
one
thing
that
struck
me.
That
was
important.
That
you
said
was
a
lot
of
these
older
fire
houses.
They
have
their
kitchens.
On
the
first
floor,
where
the
where
the
engines
are
where
the
trucks
are
are
at,
and
you
know
you're
sitting
there
and
you're
having
dinner
as
the
as
the
truck
is,
you
know
running
with
these
fumes
but
you're
breathing
that
those
fumes
in,
for
you
know
an
entire
career
yeah.
G
You
know
we
we,
we
can
obviously
see
the
the
terrible
strain
it
has
on
firefighters
in
their
in
their
families.
These
health
health
conditions,
including
including
including
ptsd
issues,
including
mental
health
challenges
that
we
that
we
all
have
so
you
know
the
health
safety
and
wellness
council
of
flaherty,
but
also
even
before,
council
authority
is
representative
flaherty.
Michael
michael's,
father
was
a
strong
supporter
of
across
the
city
on
firefighter
health,
safety
and
wellness.
G
G
I'm
trying
to
get
working
with
mayor,
woe,
ems
presence
there,
my
other
top
priority
eventually
is
to
get
to
get
a
fire
presence
there
voting
location,
but
just
want
to
thank
the
members
of
718
in
the
fight
department
for
advocating
for
that,
because
not
only
not
only
are
we
building
up
a
neighborhood,
a
residential
neighborhood
there,
as
my
colleague
counselor
braden,
was
saying
we're
also
building
up
life
sciences,
bio
labs,
there
are
people,
thousands
of
people
commuting
to
the
south
boston
waterfront
every
day.
G
We
have
we
held
a
hearing
that
I
cheered
last
year
on
water
safety
issues
in
and
around
the
in
and
around
the
waterfront,
as
well
so
having
having
a
strong
fire
boat,
dive
boat,
fire
presence
on
on
the
ocean
as
well
working
with
the
coast
guard
working
with
the
working
with
the
navy
working
with
the
boston
police.
So
I
just
want
to
acknowledge
that
that
concern
as
well.
Madam
chair,
thank
you
for
giving
me
the
the
time.
I
have
no
further
questions.
A
Thank
you.
If
council
flynn
says
he's
advocating
for
you,
he
is
fighting
for.
A
You
so
believe
that
between
that-
and
I
hear
chime
over
here-
saying-
cart,
car
five
car
five-
I
don't
know
where
it's
coming
from,
and
so
I
just
wanted
to
go
on
record
that
I
too
am
supportive
car
five
and
I
think
that
that's
like
the
majority
at
this
point,
counselor
mejia
last
round
to
wrap
up
and
then
we'll
go
council
mejia
councillor,
louisiana,
councilor,
bach,
council
flaherty,
then
council
flynn
will
wrap
up
and
it's
just
two
minutes
each.
Please
sure.
Thank
you.
N
So
just
really
quick,
thank
you
all
for
for
being
here
and
showing
up
as
you
always
do.
We
really
do
appreciate
an
opportunity
to
really
get
a
better
understanding
of
what
we
can
also
do
to
help
support
you
all
right.
So
I
see
in
the
city
of
boston.
N
So
I
just
want
to
say
I
want
to
go
on
record
and
saying
that
whatever
I
can
do
to
help
support
you
all
in
reaching
your
diversity
goals,
I'm
here
for
it
and
actually
have
been
doing
it
in
partnership
with
some
of
your
firefighters.
Actually
200
of
them
to
be
exact,
have
worked
with
me
and
my
office
to
help
increase
diversity
effort.
N
So
I
just
wanted
to
just
state
that
for
the
record
that
there
are
things
that
we
can
do
individually,
there
are
things
that
the
city
can
do,
and
there
are
things
that
we
can
advocate
for
in
the
budget,
so
that
you
can
do
your
work
too.
So
I
think
that
it's
going
to
take
all
of
us
working
in
different
ways
to
to
make
all
of
those
things
happen.
N
I
wanted
to
just
uplift
something
really
quick.
I
think
it's
important
for
we
keep
talking
about
the
car
5
and,
if
I
remember
correctly,
when
car
10,
when
we
opened
that
up
there
was
an
opportunity
to
hire
more
people
right.
So
I
see
this
as
not
as
an
as
a
charity
opportunity
for
diversity
right.
We
keep
talking
about
how
five
is
gonna,
get
us
to
the
diversity
goals,
but
from
what
I
understand,
it's
also
based
on
merit
right
and
promotion
and
that
you're
gonna
earn
it.
N
It's
work
that
we
all
have
to
do,
and
so
I
really
do
appreciate
you
all
being
here
and,
more
importantly,
your
patience
with
me
in
particular.
I
just
speak
up
the
way
I
show
up
in
this
world,
but
know
that
if
I
do
it's
always
with
the
best
intentions
and
understanding
that
at
the
end
of
the
day,
you
know,
I
want
to
make
sure
that
I
utilize
my
time
effectively
to
know
that
I'm
here
to
serve
you
as
well.
So
thank
you.
P
Madam
chair,
I
think
you
know
council
flaherty
sort
of
got
out
something
that
I
was
trying
to
get
at
like
when
I
was
saying
how
can
we
support
you?
Maybe
I
should
have
given
examples.
You
know
you
have
now
have
a
diversity
officer,
but
maybe
that
means
having
a
diversity
office
and
maybe
that's
something
that
we
can
help
uplift.
Those
are
the
things
it
was
like.
P
D
If
I
can
make
a
comment
on
that
sure,
quick,
real,
quick,
no
problem,
just
I
I'd
love
to
give
kudos
to,
I
I
think
you
give
on
away
honors
too
our
hr
staff.
D
You
know
johnny
and
I
do
a
lot
with
personnel
vote,
but
the
hr
staff
we
get
to
see
what
they
do
and
as
far
as
getting
that
group
of
90
on
and
getting
this
next
group
prepared
to
come
in.
It's
a
lot
of
work
and
they're
short-handed
in
in
watching
mike
prepare
this
cadet
program
he's
put
his
time
in,
and
we've
sat
with
him
and
watched
what
he's
preparing
and
it's
a
pretty
good.
It's
a
pretty
good
idea.
We
can't
just
can't
bring
kids
in
and
tell
them.
D
There
are
some
things
that
we
need
to
look
at
and
we
were
hoping
that
we
would
put
in
place-
maybe
some
classes,
maybe
two
years
of
a
reserve
program
or
two
years
at
bunker
hill
and
then
start
training
after
you
get
a
fire
science
degree.
But
mike's
looked
at
all
of
that
stuff
and
put
it
together.
So
I
want
to
give
kudos
to
the
hr
department
and
to
mike
and
what
he's
doing
in
preparing.
A
Thank
you,
counselor
bach.
You
have
two
minutes.
L
Thank
you
so
much,
madam
chair,
and
I'm
sorry
that
I
got
pulled
away
for
the
last
hour.
So
I
I
just
wanted
to
put
a
couple
things
just
that
I'd
love
to
follow
up
with
a
department
on
but
recognize.
We
can't
really
do
questions
now,
so
one
is
just
trying
to
think-
and
I
would
love
in
my
office
to
understand
better
how
the
fire
department's
thinking
about
safety,
vis-a-vis
batteries
as
more
and
more
of
these,
like
big
systems
come
in.
L
Commissioner,
I'm
not
supposed
to
ask
questions
right
now,
because
I've
only
got
two
minutes.
So
let
me
just
these
are
just
follow-ups
and
later,
and
then
I
was
mentioning
it
before,
but
this
idea
of
putting
multilingual
stickers
on
the
fire
alarm
boxes
so
that
people
can
know
like
hey.
If
you
need
help
or
there's
an
emergency,
you
can
pull
this.
I
think
that
was
something
I
know.
L
The
team
at
fire
alarm
was
already
trying
to
take
initiative
on,
and
I
just
would
love
to
follow
up
on
that
because
I
think
it'd
be
a
great
thing
to
do
and
and
then
the
third
is
just
you
know
I
I
would
love
to
work
with
the
department
more
on
again
kind
of
in
this
meeting
our
goals
and
also
being
fire
safe.
L
You
know,
I
think
it's
really
important
in
a
bunch
of
places
for
us
to
narrow
our
streets
for
us
to
make
like
streets,
you
know
slower
and
safer
and
I
think
sometimes
the
sort
of
20-foot
fire
lane,
like
you
know,
driver
can
be
complicated
with
that,
as
we
think
about
slow
streets
and
vision,
zero
and
so
thinking
about
ways
that
we
can
create
things
that
are
going
to
slow
down
regular
vehicles,
but
a
fire
truck.
L
If
it
had
to
could
still
you
know,
blast
through
and
also
understanding
like,
what's
with
the
new
apparatus,
can
we
have
apparatus
that
doesn't
need
quite
as
wide
of
a
set
of
stanchions
for
getting
up?
You
know
like
that
base.
I
just
I
would
love
again
for
us
to,
as
we
think
about
what
we
talk
about
when
btd
comes
in
here
and
kind
of,
like
you
know,
slower,
safer
streets
for
everybody
and
as
somebody
with
a
lot
of
streets.
L
Obviously,
in
my
district
already,
they
don't
meet
that
20-foot
requirement
would
love
to
just
think
about
how
we
can
meet
multiple
goals.
So
that's
a
future
conversation
that
I
hope
to
be
having.
B
D
You
know
the
the
the
part
that
you
did
bring
up,
and
I
will
fire
alarm
is-
is
a
key
place
that
we
could
use
some
help.
They
are
stretched
thin.
They
do.
They
do
end
up
being
held
over
multiple
times
because
they
are
short
staffed.
There.
D
We
put
a
new
deputy
chief
in
charge
of
that
building,
who's
been
in
there
and
he's
kind
of
doing
a
great
job
overseeing
they're,
putting
a
new
wall
around
because
of
the
the
the
grass
that
grows
up
out
of
there
and
and
they
we
have
end
up
with
a
fire
there
every
year.
D
D
There
are
times
that
a
fire
alarm
operator
could
be
speaking
to
an
officer
one-on-one
at
a
call,
and
it's
done
like
that.
It
works
out
pretty
amazing.
I
know
I've
had
that
happen
to
me
with
diane
clifford,
who's
retired
now,
but
we
had
the
chance
of
working
on
a
radio
call
with
the
window
washer
at
the
time,
so
that
was
pretty.
They
do
a
great
job
and
we're
we're
appreciative
of
them.
The
only
other
thing
I
I
did
want
to
talk
about
is
that
piece
of
the
which
the
president
brought
up
about
ptsd.
D
That
is
a
new
problem
for
us,
it
is
getting
bigger.
We've
got
more
and
more
people
that
are
coming
down,
so
the
safety,
health
and
wellness
of
our
men
and
women
is
something
that's
important
to
us.
Johnny's
been
working
with
a
couple
of
different
people
and
trying
to
get
them
in
the
right
line,
and
it
is,
it
is
something
that's
real,
having
an
incident
that
happens
no
different
than
what
happened
at
the
edison
plant.
D
Those
guys
that
worked
in
that
men
and
women
that
worked
in
that
trench,
trying
to
help
that
guy
for
the
for
as
long
as
they
did
for
the
duration
that
they
did.
D
You
know
I
I'm
not
not
sure
if
they
were,
they
ended
up
getting
the
the
cism
team
to
talk
to
them
and
break
that
down,
but
we
do
have
a
great.
We
do
have
a
great
team
that
we
send
all
over.
So
that's
that's
one
of
our
things,
but
that's
something
that
we
need
we're
going
to
need
to
look
at
in
the
future.
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
A
G
Thank
you,
madam
chair,
and
thank
you
to
the
fire
department
team.
That's
here,
thank
you
to
the
local
718
team.
That's
here,
and
thank
you
to
you,
madam
chair,
for
the
for
the
work
that
you're
doing
I
just
I.
I
wanted
to
mention
one
one
issue
that
I
I
didn't
mention
previously,
but
my
colleagues
did
is
the
important
work
the
fire
alarm
plays
in
our
city,
they're
professionals,
they're,
hard-working
excellent,
excellent
city
workers.
So
I
wanted
to
highlight
them.
G
I
also
wanted
to
highlight
the
I
know
you
mentioned
a
commission
of
the
the
the
crew
at
the
maintenance
department
as
well.
I
know
they
they
do
excellent,
outstanding
work.
I
when
I
was
younger,
I
had
the
opportunity
to
visit
frequently
when
my
uncle
dennis
worked
there,
so
I
used
to
love
going
over
there
to
to
visit
him
and
to
and
to
talk
with
him,
but
I
I
also
know
that
the
current
fire
headquarters
is
obsolete
and
just
like
the
police
department
headquarters,
we
deserve
us.
G
You
deserve
a
state-of-the-art
facility
that
you're
able
to
conduct
your
work
in
and
that
covered
facility
is
not
it.
So
it
should
be
a
priority
for
us
as
a
city
eventually
to
have
a
state-of-the-art
headquarters
similar
to
the
boston
police
department.
Our
city
deserves
that
the
fire
department
deserves
that.
G
But
having
said
that,
I
just
wanted
to
thank
the
the
firefighters
and
their
families,
especially
for
the
work
they've
done
during
the
during
the
pandemic,
but
for
for
all
of
the
years
supporting
the
residents
in
in
time
of
need,
and
these
firefighters
are
active
in
our
communities.
There
are
literally
coaches
and
involved
in
pta
and
various
non-profits
and
charities.
So
the
role
they
play,
not
it
not
just
in
our
city
but
in
the
lives
of
of
the
residency
and
in
the
neighborhoods
as
well.
G
A
Thank
you,
council
flynn.
If
you
don't
have
any
final
remarks,
we
can
do
you
have
any
final
remarks.
A
A
I
graduated
from
the
john
d
o'brien
school
so
mo.
I
have,
I
know
at
least
a
good
seven
of
my
class,
who
are
firefighters,
I'm
I
am
a
fan
and
I
think
that
I
mean
truly,
you
guys
do
amazing
work
right.
You
without
thinking
you
go
in,
you
save
people's
lives.
You
are
first
responders
and
we
want
to
support
you
and
I
second,
what
council
flynn
was
saying
about
support
to
you,
especially
with
mental
health
services?
A
How
are
you
being
supported?
Do
you
have
those
services
available
to
you?
Is
that
destigmatized
in
your
department?
Are
you
able
to
access
service
without
feeling,
as
though
something
is
wrong
with
you,
and
I
think
that
it's
important
that
we
elevate
those
conversations
so
that
we're
taking
care
of
each
other
and
so
that
we
continue
to
advocate
on
your
behalf,
so
you
can
have
the
budget,
the
facilities
and
the
supports
and
the
respect
from
the
community
as
well.
A
While
we
work
on
those
tough
things
too
right,
I
didn't
hear
from
you
at
all,
sir.
I
I.
A
Okay
and.
A
You
just
came
to
sit
handsomely
in
your
suit
yeah
right.
Thank
you
so
very
much
for
your
work
for
your
service
and
we
look
forward
to
working
with
you.