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Docket# 0752: A hearing on Certain Affordable Housing in Roxbury and Jamaica Plain
Docket# 1050: Home Rule Petition re: Energy Savings in Raymond L. Flynn Marine Park
A
Federal
funds,
so
should
these
Home
Rule
petitions
pass,
it
will
streamline
the
sub
bid
process
and
will
decrease
cost
while
still
maintaining
a
transparent
regulatory
process.
The
VHA
for
the
record
and
for
my
colleagues
edification,
have
filed
similar
legislative
efforts
for
Whittier
Street,
Orion,
Heights,
Bromley,
Heath
mission,
Maine,
orchard
gardens,
maverick
gardens,
West
Broadway
homes
in
Old,
Colony,
Washington,
Beach
and
Franklin
Hill
developments,
and
so
with
that
I
will
turn
it
over
to
whoever
chooses
to
take
the
lead
on
behalf
of
the
VHA.
B
I'm
for
the
housing
authority
and
I
very
much
appreciate
the
opportunity
to
come
here
today
and
testify
regarding
the
critical
importance
of
this
legislation
to
BHA
and,
more
importantly,
to
the
residents
of
the
a
Murray
Street
and
Lenox
Camden
public
housing
sites
in
JP
and
Roxbury,
respectively,
they're
technically
two
different
bills,
but
they
both
been
filed
for
the
same
reason.
At
the
same
time,
BHA
will
not
be
able
to
redevelop
or
provide
substantial
capital
upgrades
to
these
sites
in
a
cost-effective
way
without
the
passage
of
this
legislation.
B
As
chairman
I
already
mentioned,
we've
filed
similar
legislation
in
the
past
at
many
sites,
including
mission
main
orchard,
gardens,
maverick
gardens,
Franklin
Hill,
Washington,
Beach
Oh,
calling
orrin
Heights
those
projects.
As
with
this,
these
proposals
were
project
specific,
and
specifically
these
before
you
today
are
for
the
modernization
of
the
a
Murray,
Street
elderly,
disabled
development
in
JP
and
the
Lennox
Camden
family
development
in
Lohr
Roxbury.
B
Although
there
have
been
reforms
to
the
state
statutes
regarding
filed
sub
bids
under
Chapter
149,
the
changes
are
insufficiently
to
allow
BHA
to
move
forward
in
modern
and
efforts
of
this
kind
without
passage.
The
projects
must
adhere
to
an
extremely
structured
filed,
sub
bid
process
with
separate
general
contractor
and
subcontractor
selection.
The
GC
has
no
control
in
choosing
its
subs.
The
BHA
and
its
developer
have
no
ability
to
value
engineer
or
redesign
should
costs
increase
beyond
the
funding
availability,
which
is
frequently
what
happens
in
redevelopment.
B
The
value
engineering
is
where
significant
savings
can
be
made
by
allowing
the
developers
to
negotiate
pricing
with
various
subcontractors
under
existing
statutes.
Changes
and
designs
made
to
reduce
cost
may
require
that
the
bid
process
begin
all
over
again
putting
projects
and
funding
at
risk.
Both
Emery
and
Lennox.
Camden
properties
are
distressed,
they're
in
need
of
modernization.
B
B
The
final
design
will
include
a
total
of
558
units,
of
which
215
will
be
market
and
350
43
will
be
workforce
and
affordable.
So
this
is
a
project
where
we're
actually
adding
net
affordable
units
to
the
site,
in
addition
to
market
units
to
make
the
project
work
and
our
developer
partners
who
are
here
today
as
well.
Community
builders,
Jamaica,
Plain,
NDC
and
urban
edge
are
working
closely
with
the
rent
with
the
residents
on
this,
and
the
residents
will
remain
on
site
during
the
renovations
at
Lennox
Camden.
B
It's
a
family
public
housing
development
that
includes
285
units
of
federally
subsidized
housing
and
72
units
of
state
subsidized
housing
adjacent
to
each
other.
Upgrades
to
the
site
will
take
place
without
the
need
we
hope
for
off-site
relocation.
This
is
also
an
upgrade
in
place.
There
won't
be
any
demolition.
The
units
will
be
fully
updated
with
new
kitchens
and
baths.
B
New
plumbing
and
many
other
features
a
sense
of
community
and
a
better
connection
with
the
rest
of
the
neighborhood
is
a
primary
goal,
as
well
as
security
enhancements
at
this
site,
and
our
partner
at
this
site,
represented
by
beacon
here
today,
is
beacon
communities,
Development
LLC
up.
Ultimately,
the
changes
will
provide
for
an
updated,
safer
and
more
energy-efficient
community,
that's
also
accessible
to
those
with
disabilities.
We
don't
have
very
many
accessible
units
at
that
site.
Today.
We
will
continue
to
own
the
land
at
both
sites
and
lease
it
to
our
development
partners.
B
That
gives
us
assurance
and
the
residents
assurance
for
the
long
term
that
that
the
affordability
of
the
buildings
and
units
will
be
protected.
The
residents
of
both
a
Murray
and
Lennox
can
then
have
been
waiting
for
this
opportunity
to
revitalize
their
communities
for
many
years.
Our
residents
deserve
to
live
in
suitable
and
decent
housing,
as
well
as
feel
that
they
are
part
of
the
neighborhood
around
them.
We
ask
for
your
support
of
this
legislation
so
that
we're
able
to
realize
this
vision
for
them.
Thank
you
and.
A
Thank
you
very
much
anything
else,
additional
tab
from
the
VHA
this
time
just
wanna
touch
base.
Obviously
the
there's
an
interesting
component
to
this,
which
is
the
proposal,
seek
to
streamline
the
sub
bid
process.
So
just
getting
a
little
parochial
here,
I
want
to
see
how
does
that
benefit
sort
of
Boston
based
companies
as
well,
as
you
know,
women-owned
and
minority-owned
businesses
to
be
able
to
compete
for
that
work?
It's
you
know
it's
it's
a
really
important
of
us.
We
see
these.
A
B
A
Then
not
to
stray
too
far
because
we're
dealing
with
choose
a
very
specific
dockets
but
I
like
to
try
to
use
these
hearings
to
kind
of
do
almost
like
a
post
audit
oversight
with
respect
to
we
had
mentions
wittiest
Street,
Orion,
Heights,
Bromley,
Heat
mission,
Maine
Orchard,
Maverick,
West,
Broadway,
Old,
Colony,
Washington,
Beach
and
Franklin.
Can
you
maybe
just
give
us
a
quick
snapshot,
an
update
as
to
sort
of
you
know
the
status
and
how
those
projects
are
coming
along
if
not
already
completed
while
I?
Have
you
here
sure.
B
One
of
the
biggest
impacts
we've
seen
is
the
reduction
in
crime
at
the
sites
where
we've
been
able
to
such,
as
you
know,
Washington
Beach,
Mission
main
places
that
you
know
were
sort
of
hot
spots
before
redevelopment,
partly
frankly,
by
dealing
with
design
deficiencies
that
we
currently
have
like.
You
know,
twelve
families
on
a
hallway.
You
know
that's
that's
the
situation
that
we're
dealing
with
and
and
so
being
able
to
bring
in
either
design
changes
or
enhanced
security.
As
part
of
these
projects-
and
it's
made
a
huge
difference-
I
know.
D
A
A
D
B
D
B
That
building
will
remain
a
elderly
disabled
building,
funded
through
what
we're
calling
the
rad
program,
which
is
a
which
is
similar
to
a
section
eight
sort
of
subsidy
attached
to
unit
right
now
our
residents
pay
30%
of
their
adjusted
income
and
that's
what
they'll
pay
afterwards.
So
we
don't
expect
the
profile
of
that
building.
To
change
very
much
I
mean
it's
essentially
a
serving
extremely
low-income
elders
and
disabled
folks,
and
that's
the
intent
going
forward.
So.
B
D
B
D
B
A
That's
a
great
question
that
I
was
able
to
support
in
terms
of
that
rad
issue.
It
can
take
we've
seen
it
across
the
city.
Now
a
young
adult
that
might
be
true
diagnosed
as
a
bipolar
and
a
drug-addicted
just
literally
change
one
or
two
young
adults
they
upside
down.
It
said
we
got
elderly
residents,
afraid
to
leave
afraid
to
be
out
in
the
hallways
afraid
to
be
in
their
common
areas.
No
one
should
have
to
live
under
those
situations
and
so
I.
You
know
senior
buildings
for
seniors.
Only
Chloe.
A
You
have
to
make
some
accommodations
for
those
that
have
disabilities,
but
I
think
it
kind
of
went
far
astray.
Yeah
I
think
the
late
Senator
Ted
Kennedy
was
the
one
that
put
this
plan
forward
at
the
time
and
what
was
it?
60/40,
1.0
70/30
it's
been
reduced,
it's
been
reduced
because
it
did
take
this.
It's
problematic
ya,.
C
A
So,
if
there's
an
opportunity
to
add
to
push
back
on
that
and
to
see
if
there's
an
opportunity
to
increase
the
senior
only
percentages,
you
know
it's
the
difference
in
having
an
adult
special
needs
child
or
there
was
one
there
was
actually
in
a
building
in
my
neighborhood
where
the
mother
had
passed
away.
It
was
an
adult
special
needs,
but
he
instantly
had
like
five
or
six
new
mothers
that
took
care
of
him.
A
B
A
F
You,
mr.
chairman
and
Kate
Lydia
Dean,
thank
you
all
for
the
great
work
you
do
each
and
every
day,
I'm
less
familiar
with
Lennox
Camden.
Obviously
125
a
memory
is
in
my
district
and
I
am
incredibly
supportive
of
this
opportunity.
I
think
this
could
be
transformative
for
those
that
don't
know.
125
is
situated
on
a
particularly
large
parcel
of
land.
F
What
we
hope
to
do
real
real
mixed
income,
real
protecting,
affordable
units
and
making
sure,
particularly
for
our
elderly,
have
safe,
clean,
wonderful
places
to
live
so
I
don't
have
a
question
other
than
again.
My
support
of
125,
particularly
and
I,
know
that
there's
it's
another
example
of
a
public-private
partnership.
You
mentioned
TCB
is
urban
edge
and
JP
n
DC
partners
as
well.
F
B
I
mean
what
it's
looking
like
is
that
we
will
will
need
to
create
a
Bank
of
sort
of
hotel
units
within
the
building
before
we
start
renovations,
because
some
of
some
of
the
physical
work
is
just
going
to
be
too
disruptive
to
doing
with
people
in
place.
So
we
may,
on
a
rotating
basis
and
for
some
areas
of
the
building
need
to
move
people
temporarily.
For
you
know
a
period
of
weeks
into
these
hotel
units,
but
within
the
building.
B
B
F
F
B
A
Kinda,
like
ant,
even
a
man
I'm
just
when
he
was
when
you
guys
were
engaged
and
then
I
say,
can't
even
figure
out
how
you
get
him,
pull
it
off
right.
So
when
you
do
when
I'm
sure
you
will
I'd
like
to
see
that
so
and
so
what
now
is
the
public
testimony
phase
I
know
that
I
see
folks
here.
If
there's
anyone
wishing
to
offer
a
public
testimony,
you
may
do
so
now
or
forever
hold
your
peace
as
a
sign-in
sheet
over
to
my
left,
and
you
could
come
forward
at
this
time.
A
F
Just
before,
while
we
have
you
guys,
I
know,
it
is
my
understanding
that
some
of
the
federal
funds
were
essentially
level
funded
from
last
year.
Is
there
a
concern
that
if
the
HUD
money
is
cut
significantly,
that
it
could
jeopardize
one
or
both
of
these
projects,
or
are
we
already
far
enough
along
in
the.
B
You
know
how
the
cuts
actually
get
administered
and
legislated
I
mean
we'll
we'll
see
it.
You
know
there
are
various
scenarios
under
which
it
could
impact
this
scenario,
but
our
best
hope
is
that
we're
going
to
move
out
of
the
public
housing
system
over
to
the
rad
program.
That's
a
guaranteed
20
year
contract
right.
F
A
B
A
G
A
Development
in
industrial
corporation
of
Boston,
known
as
Edic
to
qualify
for
a
single
energy
services,
company
for
the
design,
construction,
operation,
maintenance
and
financing
of
a
district
energy
micro
grid
project
in
related
energy
services,
performance
contract
to
serve
the
public
and
private
owners
in
tenants
in
the
Raymond
L
Flynn
marine
industrial
park.
This
matter
was
sponsored
by
Mayor
Walsh
on
March,
the
1st
of
2017
docket,
zero,
three
four
zero
as
a
Home
Rule
petition,
and
it
would
authorize
Edic
to
qualify
as
a
single
energy
services
company
for
a
district
energy
micro
grid
project.
A
District
energy
is
a
system
that
supplies
thermal
energy
to
multiple
buildings
via
underground
pipes,
carrying
steam,
hot
water
in
cold
water.
A
micro
grid
is
an
electrical
distribution
network
that
can
serve
multiple
buildings
in
a
local
area
and
that
can
enter
into
an
island
mode
by
separating
from
the
larger
electrical
grid.
When
there
is
a
major
outage
self
supplying
the
micro
grid
network
with
locally
generated
electricity,
district,
energy
and
micro
grid
projects
provide
added
resiliency.
A
They
reduce
greenhouse
gas
emissions
in
lower
energy
costs
for
their
customers
and,
as
we
all
know,
the
Raymond
L
Flint
marine
industrial
park.
It's
a
191
acre
former
military
base
owned
by
the
Edic
and
it's
a
prime
location
for
a
district,
energy
and
micro
grid
project
because
of
its
location
along
the
South
Boston
waterfront
and
dubs,
with
the
Edic
commitment
to
serve
its
tenants,
including
large
industrial
energy
users.
A
So
joining
us
today
is
Brad
swing,
who's,
the
director
of
energy
policy
and
programs
for
the
city
of
Boston
and
he's
also
joined
by
Manuel
Esquivel
who's,
a
senior
infrastructure
and
energy
planning,
fellow
who's
here,
also
to
to
observe
and
to
add
any
value,
if
necessary.
We're
all
joined
here
by
my
colleague
city
councilor,
Anissa,
asabi,
George,
City
Council
of
nantou
Malley
in
City,
Council,
Frank
Baker,
and
if
doesn't
have
any
introductory
comments,
we
can
get
right
into
it
and
which
case
Brad
I'll
turn
it
over
to
you
on
behalf
of
the
city.
H
It's
necessary
for
public-private
partnerships
to
seek
Home
Rule
petition
and
specific
project
permission
from
the
state
legislature
to
enter
into
a
public-private
partnership,
and
by
public-private
partnership,
I
mean
the
alternative
delivery
structure
of
a
major
asset
using
a
private
partner.
The
design
build
operate
of
a
major
asset
that
is,
at
the
end
of
its
finance
period,
capable
of
reverting
back
to
public
ownership.
H
It's
an
important
tool
that
we
need
to
develop
in
order
to
finance
a
climate
ready
Boston.
This
particular
public-private
partnership
would
allow
us
to
qualify
an
energy
services
company
to
serve
as
our
private
partner
and
provide
us
with
an
investment
grade,
design
a
plan
to
build
and
operate
and
finance
a
district
energy
micro
grid.
As
you
Abele
outlined
for
us
in
the
Raymond
L
Flynn
marine
park,
we
have
been
looking
at
this
technology
and
the
challenges
we
have
to
building
a
multi
owner
district
energy
micro
grid
for
four
years.
H
H
H
We,
we
are
very
highly
value.
The
technology
cost
effectiveness
in
greenhouse
gas
emissions,
reductions
that
come
with
this
efficient
use
of
a
energy
plant.
That's
called
a
combined
heat
and
power
unit.
It
is
an
approach
towards
generating
electricity
on-site.
In
this
instance,
we
would
use
the
natural
gases
and,
as
an
input
fuel,
it
would
generate
electricity
and
instead
of
the
heat
that
is
usually
simply
wasted
from
any
electricity
generation
process.
A
combined
heat
and
power
unit
captures
that
waste
heat
and
creates
hot
water
and
chilled
water
that
is
then
piped
through
thermal
energy
pipes.
H
So
the
full-blown
district
energy
micro
grid
is
an
electricity
generation
system
where
the
waste
heat
is
used
for
thermal
space,
heating
and
cooling
needs
that
electricity
is
then
organized
in
a
way
that
can
serve
the
grid
during
normal
operations.
But
if
there's
any
kind
of
incident
where
the
the
major
Melara
grid
goes
down
either
a
storm
like
we've
seen
so
many
this
month
or
god
forbid
some
kind
of
national
security
situation.
The
on-site
electricity
generation
can
continue
to
flow
to
those
buildings
that
are
within
the
district.
H
There's
a
famous
picture
of
Manhattan
during
the
heart
of
the
Sandy
crisis
and
below
34th
Street.
There
was
a
blackout
that
lasted
many
many
days.
There
are
pockets
of
electricity
generation
within
that
part
of
Manhattan
and
those
are
the
ones
that
were
served
by
a
micro
grid,
they're
extremely
important
to
our
resilience
strategy.
As
we
move
forward
and
prepare
the
city
for
the
known
facts
of
climate
change
and.
A
H
A
H
I
should
make
clear
that
the
stage
were
at
with
this.
We
need
the
permission
from
the
council
and
then
from
the
state
legislature,
and
then
we
have
a
long
road
ahead
of
us
before
we're
even
close
to
breaking
ground.
We
are
anticipating
that,
with
the
authority
to
qualify
the
public-private
partnership
with
the
ESCO,
we
would
need
to
create
a
special
purpose
vehicle
that
would
be
a
legal
unit
within
the
economic
development
industrial
corporation.
It
would
be
that
SPV
that
would
legally
issue
the
request
for
qualifications
once
we
are
working
with
a
private
partner.
H
H
We
would.
We
would
have
many
opportunities
to
assess
whether
the
the
technology,
the
space
location
issues
and
even
the
the
the
exact
scope
of
exactly
who
within
the
park,
ends
up
participating
in
the
district.
We
would.
We
would
have
that
special
purpose
vehicle
qualify,
the
energy
service
company,
and
if
we
did
move
ahead
with
a
project,
we
would
expect
that
energy
service
company
would
probably
create
its
own
sort
of
LLC
enterprise
to
operate
within
that
special
purpose
vehicle.
So
it's
a
long
road
ahead
and.
A
So
you
had
an
RFQ
that
went
out
in
2016
right
based
on
some
of
the
we're
asses,
but
do
the
do
the
procurement
precision,
procurement
procedures
regarding
price
negotiations
and
notifications
RFQ?
Do
they
align
with
sort
of
the
current
procurement
laws,
because
we,
so
you
guys,
did
an
RFQ
in
2016.
It's
now
2017.
If
the
council
passes
that
the
mayor
science
that
goes
up
to
Beacon
Hill,
that
could
be
somewhat
of
a
lengthy
process
right,
so
anticipating
and
2018
ish,
maybe
2019
before
we
get
the
green
light.
All.
A
H
Correct
so
the
ad
I
see
board
absolutely
authorized
us
to
initiate.
Everyone
has
not
been
connected
and
the
reason
for
that
is
that
we
thought
we
had
authority
to
proceed
with
the
RFQ
when
we
asked
the
board
to
give
us
the
authorization
to
do
so.
I
haven't
practiced
law
in
22
years,
so
I'm
allowed
to
say
this,
but
those
lawyers
got
in
the
way.
A
G
A
C
A
G
A
H
Well,
if
I
might
suggest
to
the
council,
I
think
the
general
issue
of
the
lack
of
authority
for
any
political
subdivision
to
qualify
a
public-private
partnership,
for
any
reason
is
is,
is
an
issue
we're
heading
into
an
era
where
we
going
to
need
to
work
with
private
sector
partners
and
the
ability
to
find
bankable
risk
capital
attracting
investments
where
the
cash
flow
of
the
enterprise
ultimately
pays
for
the
asset
itself.
We're
going
to
need
that
if
we're
gonna
build
a
climate
ready
City,
it's
one
of
the
reasons
I'm
pushing
for
this
pilot
project.
H
It's
not
just
a
pilot
district
energy
micro
grid
project
which
has
director
of
energy
I
care,
deeply
about
I
care
as
much
about
the
pilot
process,
because
we
really
need
to
solve
this
problem.
There's
existing
statutory
authority
for
the
city
to
qualify
an
energy
service
company
to
do
an
energy
savings
performance
contract
on
municipally-owned
facilities,
but
because
we're
looking
to
have
municipal,
Edic,
owned
and
private
owned
and
tenant
properties
within
the
Marine
Park.
We
did
not
have
the
authority
to
use
that
existing
statutory
provision
that.
A
We're
allowed
to
do
so
if
we
get
permission
to
do
this
and
you
might
see
other
entities
hypothetically
say,
like
the
mass
transport
authority
be
able
to
sort
of
on
their
own
sites
or
maybe
even
over
the
airport,
or
you
know
some
of
the
properties
they
aren't
over
in
East,
Boston
and
Charlestown
be
able
to
sort
of
do
these
micro
grids
on
on
their
industrial
properties.
So
well.
H
A
H
A
H
Okay,
so
the
we
in
essence
have
the
ingredients
of
a
public-private
partnership
with
we're
currently,
as
you
know,
underway
with
an
ESCO
on
the
renew
boston
trust
to
two
hundred
and
sixty-six
municipal
facilities
that
we're
working
on
with
a
performance
contract
I
laid
out
in
the
warehouses
that
the
statutory
provision
that
allows
us
to
do
that
it
requires
an
investment
grade
audit.
It
requires
a
guaranteed
maximum
price.
It
requires
guaranteed
minimum
savings
and
guarantees
a
minimum
generation.
H
It
requires
annual
monitoring
and
verification
of
those
energy
and
water
savings,
and
it
requires
shortfall
payments
if
those
legally
enforceable,
contractually
guaranteed
savings
are
not
met.
That
bundle
which
is
spelled
out
in
the
statute
and
the
regulations,
it's
the
one
little
exception
in
Massachusetts
General
Laws
for
project
finance.
You
know
it's
an
essence.
A
Which
are
important
pieces,
we
have
a
fiduciary
responsibility,
obviously
to
the
residents
and
the
taxpayers
as
the
legislative
branch,
but
also
you
as
a
sort
of
a
government
entity,
absolutely
look
out
for
for
the
bottom
line.
So
the
fact
that
you
have
that
caveat
in
there,
it's
obviously
I
applaud
and
come
in
that,
and
hopefully
that
won't
deter
folks
from
participating.
But
my
sense
is
that
it
won't,
you
know,
we'll,
be
able
to
hit
be
able
to
meet
those
guidelines.
So
when.
H
We
follow
that
it
allows
us
to
do
self
funded
improvements
if
we
essentially
have
those
same
ingredients.
The
investment
grade
audit
all
the
way
to
the
shortfall
payment.
That
bundle
of
elements
is
what
makes
a
bankable
private
risk
capital
attracting
project.
The
private
markets.
Excuse
me
find
those
find
those
kinds
of
contracts
very
attractive,
and
it's
in
essence.
What
we
want
for
district
energy
microgrid,
we're
gonna,
want
we're,
not
gonna,
be
asking
you
to
authorize
the
capital
budget
for
this.
We're
gonna
be
expecting
the
enterprise
revenues
to
pay
for
the
finance,
so
the.
F
You
Thank
You
mr.
chairman
good
afternoon,
gentlemen,
and
obviously
it
goes
without
saying
anything
we
can
do
to
lessen
our
reliance
on
traditional
fossil
fuels.
We
ought
to
be
doing
so.
This
is
something
I'm
very,
very
positive,
on
and
excited
for
this,
hopefully
first
and
many
many
microgrids
in
the
future.
A
couple
of
logistical
questions:
one
is
it
true
that
the
BP
da
net
is
now
or
not
urging
compelling
all
1
million
square
foot
buildings
developments
to
come
in
with
their
own
micro
grid
as
well?
The.
F
H
Yes
and
if
I
might
counselor
I
I
am
you
know
deeply
involved
in
the
citywide
discussions
about
the
use
of
natural
gas
and
and
our
reliance
on
natural
gas
moving
forward
the
use
of
natural
gas
for
combined
heat
and
power
unit.
Now
we
simply
don't
have
the
technology
for
an
on
fossil
fuel
input
to
generate
the
electricity
that
then
uses
the
heat
by-product
for
the
thermal.
That
is,
you
know
certain
and
sure
enough,
we're
not
there.
Yet
with
renewables
and
battery
storage.
H
What
I
see
as
so
promising
about
natural
gas-fired,
combined
heat
and
power,
and
these
energy
districts
is
that
the
cost
effectiveness
of
the
enterprise
is
quite
compelling.
We
think
that
the
payback
could
be
under
10
years
and
that
would
include
the
cost
of
trenching
confirm
the
thermal
piping,
which
is,
of
course
quite
labor,
intensive
and
expensive.
H
If
you
build
a
district
now
with
a
single
combined
heat
and
power
unit
fed
by
natural
gas
and
have
thermal
piping
and
the
island
able
micro
grid,
when
the
very
smart
people
at
the
fine
universities
in
Boston
and
this
region
figure
out
what
energy
plant
can
be
provide
the
sure
certain
electricity
that
we
depend
upon
to
live,
but
with
a
purely
renewable
input
that
it's
part
of
the
electrified
grid,
we
switch
out
one
energy
plant
and
install
whatever
that
new
technology
is.
Then
you
have
the
thermal
piping
already
built.
H
You
have
an
energy
district,
that's
ready
to
be
Net
Zero.
So
it
is
part
of
that
argument
that
natural
gas
is
an
important
part
of
our
bridge
and
I.
I
will
fully
admit
that
that's
a
subtle
point
to
make
with
people
with
many
of
my,
my
friends
in
town
who
are
protesting
any
any
new
natural
gas
infrastructure.
I,
really,
with
all
sincerity,
try
to
ask
for
five
minutes
of
their
time
to
discuss
what
I
sincerely
believe
is
a
really
positive
use
of
natural
gas.
H
For
this
bridge,
where
the
the
enterprise
payments
of
the
energy
unit
can
pay
for
the
thermal
piping
and
you'll
have
when
you're
able
to
switch
out
that
single
energy
unit
for
something
that's
connected
to
you
know
an
electrified
grid.
That's
renewable
in
battery
and
whatever
technologies
are
allowed
to
make
sure
we
have
that
sure
reliable
power
because,
as
you
know,
renewables
has
that
intermittency
issue
that
batteries
are
trying
to
address,
and
it
can't
be
soon
enough.
For
me,
I
come
to
work
to
address
climate
change.
It's
it's!
H
F
Much
that
Brad
I
truly
do,
and
you
and
I
have
had
many
many
conversations.
Sort
of
on
and
off
the
record
on
this
stuff
is
that
I
I
recognize
your
passion
obviously
share.
It
also
understand
that
it's
not
as
though
we
can
switch
to
100%
renewable
tomorrow-
and
this
is
sort
of
the
I
won't
say
a
Faustian
bargain,
but
this
is
this
is
what
we
have
to
do
to
eventually
get
there.
F
I
am
concerned
that
the
hostility
from
many
of
our
sort
of
fossil
fuel
companies
have
had
to
this
city
in
this
body
in
particular,
as
we've
tried
to
address
a
lot
of
these
issues
from
community
choice,
energy
to
be
on
that
gas
leaks.
So
that's
just
something
that
you
know.
I
am
very
disappointed
in
some
of
our
public
utilities
that
they
haven't
been
better
partners.
But
having
said
that,
that's
a
little
bit
off
topic
through
what
we're
talking
about
today.
So
I
appreciate
your
comments.
Obviously
share
it.
F
You
know
how
would
this
or
would
this
factor
into
the
community
choice
aggregate
that
this
city
that
this
council
just
passed
and
the
mayor
signed
into
law
going
forward?
Would
this
be,
it
would
be
a
similar
model
where
the
utility
would
be
the
deliverer
of
services
and
the
businesses
and
eventual
residents
that
would
pay
into
this
would
be
paying
their
utility.
So
would
this
come
under
our
portfolio
for
CCA
or
CCE,
or
is
it
separate
I.
H
Think
I
think
it's
separate
I
do
think
it's
separate
because
the
the
the
tenants
within
the
park,
the
Edic
building
the
Edic
and
its
tenants
would
be
looking
to
the
you
know.
It's
been
chily
like
getting
a
private
supplier
electricity,
as
you
know,
like
many
of
the
large
businesses
in
Boston
already
when
city
of
Boston
itself
already
shown,
uses
a
broker
and
and
Pickers
its
supply.
So.
E
E
F
H
Think
it's
a
very
focused
project,
specific
request
for
permission,
but
it
raises
an
a
big
general
issue,
which
is
the
issue
of
the
authority
of
government
to
enter
into
public-private
partnerships.
There
are
other
states
in
the
nation
that
have
more
general
authority
where
I
wouldn't
need
this
procedure
to
be
able
to
issue
the
request
for
qualifications
and
to
simply
proceed
with
with
the
project
and
to
sort
out
whether
it
made
sense
for
us
within
our
own
considerations
at
the
Edic
I.
H
H
So
I've
worked
very
closely
with
every
source
on
the
planning
that
we've
done
for
the
issue
of
what
it
would
take
to
build
a
multi
owner
micro
grid.
As
I've
said,
the
campus
model
is
well
proven,
we're
trying
to
prove
a
new
business
model.
With
this
project,
they've
been
very
cooperative
and
at
our
table
I
will
say
this
is
a
little
wonky,
so
forgive
me
but
I
have
in
in
a
number
of
workshops.
We've
had
we
had
three
four-hour
workshops
at
District,
Hall
in
2014,
and
they
were
joined
by
the
then
chair
of
the
DP.
H
You,
the
other
commissioners,
the
general
council
I
mean
these
were
very
high
engaged
stakeholder
sessions
on
this
issue
at
those
sessions
we
said
that
we
wanted
this
micro
grid
to
be
one
where
the
distribution
company
would
own
the
wires,
there's
other
models
where
you
could
sort
of
sort
of
separate,
really
defect
from
the
grid.
We're
not
we're
not
interested
in
that
model.
We
think
that
we
need
to
figure
out
how
to
work
with
the
utilities
and
the
DP
you
in
order
to
get
one
of
these
systems
in
place
without
trying
anything.
H
That's
too
too
aggressive
frankly,
and
so
that's
been
something
that
the
eversource
utility
has
been
there
they're
they're
aware
that
that's
our
approach.
They
appreciate
that
that's
our
approach.
I
will
say
that
one
of
the
next
steps
for
this
we
are
expecting
a
$75,000
feasibility
assessment
grant
from
the
Massachusetts
Clean
Energy
Center.
H
A
C
H
C
C
H
H
We
would
expect
the
the
company,
the
private
sector,
energy
company,
that
we
would
work
with
to
provide
us
with
an
investment
grade,
design
a
plan
to
build
and
operate
the
energy
asset.
We
would
expect
them
to
create
legal
LLC
type
corporation
to
be
able
to
collect
the
revenues
that
flow
from
the
provision
of
the
energy
services.
And,
yes,
we
would
expect
them
to
serve
something
like
a
construction
manager
at
risk
for
the
overall
effort
of
building.
C
H
H
Yes,
we
are
okay
s,
we're
hoping
to
have
Island
able
micro
grids,
which
are
local
distributions
of
electricity
that,
when
the
macro
grid
goes
out,
the
generation
of
electricity
can
continue
to
serve
the
buildings
that
are
within
the
district,
even
though
the
rest
of
the
city
might
be
suffering
from
a
blackout
that
this
district
would
have
its
lights.
Stay
on
very.
H
Yeah
we
we
actually
did
a
lot
of
work.
There's
a
pretty
interesting
summary
of
this
work
on
the
community
energy
study,
community
Community,
Energy
planning,
page
on
the
Boston
Planning
and
Development
Agency
webpage.
We
worked
this
to
have
one
of
these
energy
systems.
That's
multiplied
owned,
as
opposed
to
a
single
campus,
where
you
have
serve
a
district
of
buildings,
but
it's
a
single
owner,
campus
and
and
you
stepped
in
after
we
had
already
covered
this
points.
All
repeated
for
your
I
was.
C
H
Already
have
these
technology
benefits
proven
in
this
area,
but
we're
trying
to
do
it
in
a
way
that
serves
multiple
owners
and
that
that's
a
big
policy
push
that
we
think
is
very
important
to
solve.
If
we're
gonna
have
these
resilience
benefits
occurring
in
any
part
of
the
city,
that's
not
served
by
a
single
campus
owner,
which.
E
H
Most
of
the
city,
so,
yes,
we
would
we,
we
would
work
with
the
energy
service
company
to
sort
out
exactly
what
business
arrangements
need
to
be
made
and
the
flows
of
payments
and
how
the
finance
would
be
paid
back.
It's
it's
that
same
basic
principle,
though,
that
the
energy
savings
that
come
from
making
the
buildings
more
efficient,
which,
by
the
way,
is
an
important
first
step.
You
need
to
make
the
buildings
as
efficient
as
possible.
First,
in
order
for
the
sizing
of
the
energy
system
that.
C
H
Those
efficient
buildings
is
accurate,
but
you
know
making
buildings.
Energy
efficient,
actually
results
in
a
cash
flow,
which
is
exactly
the
principle
that
were
making
happen
in
the
renew
Boston
trust
and
the
energy
savings
performance
contract.
That's
underway
right
now
for
266
municipal
owned
facilities.
That
same
principle
applies
here
that
cash
flow
pays
back
the
financing
for
those
improvements.
We
expect
the
cash
flow
from
the
provision
of
energy
services
to
pay
back
the
financing
for
the.
C
H
It's
a
separate
project.
I
only
mention
it
because
the
principle
behind
the
renew
Boston
trust
municipal
energy
savings
performance
contract
is
similar,
and
indeed
the
statutory
provision
that
that
allows
us
to
move
ahead
with
the
energy
savings
performance
contract
is
the
model
for
this
home
real
petition,
we're
just
taking
the
existing
statutory
provision
and
having
it
applied
to
public
and
privately
owned
building.
C
E
H
H
H
H
Well,
that
I
may
I
commend
your
your
your
instincts.
It's
actually
input
included
in
their
match
in
Boston
2030.
The
potential
for
lower
Roxbury
is
a
resilience.
District
is
something
that
you
know
as
as
we
proved
out
this.
You
know
that
situation
could
be
complicated
to
the
extent
that
any
kind
of
system
in
the
Madison
Park
area
serves
anything
other.
The
Menace
Lyon
facilities
then
were
in
this
turkey
yeah,
then
we're
back
to
a
second
Home
Rule
petition,
because
it's
it.
C
C
G
H
H
G
A
You
Thank
You
counsel.
Now
is
the
time
for
public
testimony.
If
there's
anyone
here
wishing
to
offer
public
testimony,
may
do
so
now.
I
forever
hold
your
peace
seeing
and
hearing
no
desire
for
any
additional
public
testimony
with
respect
to
docket
0
3
4
0.
My
intention
will
be
to
draft
a
committee
report,
get
it
out
to
my
colleagues
for
a
vote
at
the
next
council
meeting
and
then
of
course
requires
a
mayoral
signature,
and
then
it
has
thing
up
to
Beacon,
Hill
and
then
and
then
our
job
is
done.