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City Services & Innovation Technology/Environmental Justice, Resiliency & Parks Joint Hearing - Docket #0965, green infrastructure
A
A
A
Are
environmental
and
resilience
related,
we're
co-chairing
so
excited
about
that
this
hearing
is
being
recorded,
it's
being
live
streamed
at
boston.gov,
city-council,
TV
and
broadcast
on
Xfinity
channel
8,
RCN
channel
82
and
FiOS
channel
964.
we'll
be
taking
public
testimony
at
the
end
of
this
hearing.
If
you're
interested
in
testifying
here
with
us
in
the
chamber,
please
sign
up
on
the
sheet
near
the
door.
If
you're
interested
in
testifying
virtually
you
can
email,
our
staff
liaison
Megan
Kavanaugh
for
the
link.
That's.
A
M-E-G-H-A-N-K-A-V-A-N-A-G-H
at
boston.gov,
you
can
also
send
written
comments
to
either
committee,
so
ccc.csit,
boston.gov
or
ccc.ep
boston.gov
and
either
way
it'll
be
made
part
of
the
record
and
available
to
all
counselors.
So
if
you're
watching
this
after
the
fact-
and
you
want
to
send
us
something
in-
please
email
it
to
one
of
those
accounts.
The
subject
of
today's
hearing
is
docket0965
order
for
hearing
on
increasing
green
storm
water
infrastructure
capacity
at
Boston,
Water
and
Sewer
in
the
city
of
Boston.
A
It
was
a
sponsored
by
me,
Kenzie
Bach
and
then
counselor
Braden
and
counselor
Coletta,
who
will
be
here
shortly.
It
was
referred
to
the
committee
on
city
services
and
innovation
technology
and,
as
I
said,
the
committee
on
environmental
justice
resilience
and
Parks
jointly
on
August
10
2022
gonna
start
with
some
opening
statements.
B
Looking
around
at
the
current
landscape
of
our
city-state
and
the
whole
world,
we're
really
at
a
moment
where
we
have
to
recognize
the
importance
that
water
has
on
every
facet
of
our
lives,
but
also
the
impact
that
it
could
possibly
have
on
our
neighborhoods
and
I.
Think
that
the
city
of
Boston
is
constantly
looking
to
be
better
and
to
be
a
leader
and
to
be
forward-thinking,
particularly
around
issues
of
environmental
justice
and
I.
B
Think
that
looking
at
the
impact
and
the
expense
really
of
gray
storm
water
infrastructure
and
the
impact
that
we
could
have
with
green
storm
water
infrastructure
and
the
cost
savings
for
the
city,
but
also
the
environmental
justice
benefits,
are
going
to
help
us
not
only
here
on
the
council,
but
for
everybody
in
the
city
for
years
to
come.
So
I'm
excited
to
have
this
conversation
and
I
again
thank
councilor
buck
and
her
co-sponsors
for
bringing
this
issue
to
the
floor.
C
Thank
you,
madam
chair,
and
thank
you
to
the
sponsors
for
this
important
subject,
bringing
it
forward
and
discussing
it
and
discussing
it
with
the
professional
team
here
at
the
Boston
Water
and
Sewer
Commission,
and
with
the
Boston
groundwater
trust
as
well.
I've
had
the
opportunity
to
work
with
both
the
Water
and
Sewer
Commission
in
with
the
groundwater
trust
over
the
last
six
years.
I
know
the
critical
role
they
play
in
our
city.
C
I
also
want
to
highlight
the
professional
professionalism
of
of
your
team
across
the
city
in
all
neighborhoods
of
Boston,
but
you're,
providing
a
tremendous
service
you're,
providing
a
tremendous
and
professional
way
of
doing
a
critical,
a
critical
business
that
really
needs
to
take
place.
That
is
taking
place,
whether
it's
constituent
services
or
quality
life
issues,
Neighborhood
Services,
Neighborhood
Services,
but
the
Boston
Water
and
Soil
commission,
the
Boston
groundwater
trust
is
very
responsive
and
very
reliable.
So
just
want
to
acknowledge
both
teams
for
being
here
in
their
professional
work.
A
Great,
thank
you
so
much
counselor,
Flynn
and
I
just
want
to
say.
You
know,
I
think
that
one
of
the
overarching
questions
that
we're
asking
about
all
of
those
City's
kind
of
environmental
initiatives
and
commitments
is
how
do
we
get
there
from
here.
So
the
city's
made
a
large
number
we're
talking
about
our
zero
waste
plan.
We're
talking
about
you
know
the
car
carbon
neutral
bosses,
just
like
all
kinds
of
things,
we've
sort
of
said
these
are
our
Targets.
A
A
But,
aside
from
the
targets
and
the
argument
about
the
target,
once
you've
set
the
target,
the
question
becomes:
how
are
we
going
to
get
there
and
you
know
I
think
that
there
are
lots
of
ways
in
which
our
water
and
sewer
system
has,
over
the
last
decades,
chased
some
pretty
important
targets
and
hit
them
on
the
sort
of
gray
infrastructure
front.
So
when
you
think
about
you
know
trying
to
control
for
some
of
the
contamination
trying
to
you
know,
a
Christian
seminalities
with
us
is
here
from
the
groundwater.
Trust
I.
A
Think
we've
made
huge
strides
in
terms
of
their
partnership
with
City
agencies
and
Boston
modern,
so
we're
leading
the
way
and
closing
off
leaks
to
preserve
our
groundwater.
I
think
we
have
lots
of
examples
of
places
where
we've
really
like
we've
chased
targets
and
succeeded,
but
I
think
in
terms
of
which
targets
we're
chasing
really
transitioning
Boston
to
more
green
storm.
A
Water
installations
has
not
been
something
that
we've
done
at
as
aggressive
a
pace
as
other
as
other
cities
and
the
more
we've
kind
of
looked
into
I
think
you
know
Philadelphia's
kind
of
well
ahead
of
everybody
on
that,
and
it
has
to
do
with
the
nature
of
of
the
types
of
targets
they
were
subjected
to.
But
you
know
there's
definitely
folks
who
are
ahead
of
us
there
and
in
Boston
I
never
like
to
have
anybody
ahead
of
us
and
I
also
think
you
know.
A
Realistically,
we've
we've
had
resource
constraints
on
what
we're
chasing,
but
I
think
we
all
have
to
swim
now
in
the
same
direction
saying
how
do
we
make
the
city
greener
thinking
about
the
storm
water
system
and
thinking
about
how
we
get
more
of
that
water
into
the
ground?
Specifically
so
not
not
just
contained
and
preventing
flooding
but
but
back
into
the
ground
and,
of
course,
because
of
the
groundwater
concerns
in
much
of
my
district,
which
is
sitting
on
pilings,
there's
kind
of
a
double
environmental
and
kind
of
building
preservation.
A
D
Just
personally
speaking,
we
had
a
flooding
issue
with
our
basement
years
ago,
we
used
to
regularly
yeah
one
one
point:
we
had
18
inches
of
water
in
our
basement
after
a
big
storm,
and
we
went
to
a
presentation
by
the
Charles
River
Watershed
Association,
and
they
did
talked
about
rain,
Gardens
and
swales,
and
we
were
in
the
process
of
getting
estimates.
Foreign.
D
Let's
try
a
rain
garden
and
we
we
basically
pipe
all
the
water
from
all
our
rainwater
goes
into
the
yard
and
into
our
rain
Garden
in
the
backyard
and
folks
from
the
the
Boston
modern,
sir,
came
and
saw
it
and
said
wow.
This
is
interesting
because
we
don't
put
any
water
into
the
storm
drains
and-
and
we
don't
use
whole
water
hose
pipes
in
the
summer
for
bit
tough
last
year
with
the
drought
this
year
with
the
drought.
D
But
I
really
feel
that
it's
an
option
that
we
should
also
be
educating
and
empowering
our
neighborhoods
residents
to
to
think
about
doing
being
Gardens
in
their
yard
is
a
way
to
manage
storm
water,
but
also
to
reduce
our
demands
on
on
our
drinkable
water
in
our
in
our
systems
as
well.
So
I'm
really
looking
forward
to
the
conversation
and.
A
Thank
you.
Thank
you
manager,
great,
thank
you.
So
much
councilor
Braden
I
mean
I
should
say
that
councilor
Coletta.
Our
third
co-sponsor
is
not
here
yet
because
she's
at
the
eversource
substation
hearing
on
behalf
of
the
residents
of
East
Boston,
so
another
environmental
justice
concern.
So
she
will
be
here
as
soon
as
she's.
A
So
you
know
we
just
want
to
really
think
about
what
are
what's
the
all
hands
on
deck
solution
to
that
from
a
property
perspective,
as
well
as
a
as
a
green
perspective.
So
with
that,
it's
my
pleasure
to
welcome
our
Administration
panel,
so
we've
got
Kate
England
who's,
the
director
of
green
infrastructure
for
the
city
of
Boston
Kate
will
be
joining
us
virtually
and
then,
and
also
here,
supporting
Kate,
but
in
the
audience
is
Nayeli
Rodriguez.
E
Great
thanks
so
much
everybody
apologies
that
I
could
not
be
there
in
person
really
sad
to
be
not
not
with
everybody,
so
I
suppose
I
just
wanted
to
talk
a
little
bit
about
what
the
city
of
Boston
is
currently
doing:
around
green
infrastructure,
around
green
infrastructure
implementation.
Back
in
July
of
this
year,
the
mayor
appointed
the
first
Evergreen
infrastructure
director
director
of
great
infrastructure
for
the
city
of
Boston
and
I'm
I'm,
very
proud
to
be
that
person
and
I.
E
Think
that
the
conversation
leading
up
to
the
appointment
was
that
you
know
it
is
important
that
the
city
have
people.
You
know
in
the
higher.
You
know,
management
levels
who
are
focusing
on
climate
resilience
and
grain
infrastructure.
You
know,
and
environmental
justice
issues
and
a
variety
of
other
things
as
their
primary.
E
So
the
first
thing
that
I
wanted
to
bring
up
was
we
started
or
I?
Guess
we
formalized
a
green
info
structure
working
group
in
the
city
of
Boston
years
ago
we
had
had
a
kind
of
informal
version
of
the
green
infrastructure
working
group
that
that
had
it
was
like
six
Representatives
when
I
first
kind
of
pulled
it
together.
E
You
know,
Are
there
specific
resources
that
would
make
green
infrastructure
implementation
easier
for
them,
you
know
or
for
specific
departments.
You
know
we
hear
a
lot
that
maintenance
is
a
barrier
to
wanting
to
install.
You
know,
Green
vegetated
infrastructure,
you
know
so
we
kind
of
we
have
historically
leaned
towards
great
infrastructure
because
it's
easier
to
maintain.
But
you
know
by
removing
maintenance
as
a
barrier.
Is
that
a
way
to
increase
green
infrastructure
implementation
across
the
city?
E
So
the
group
also
has
three
subgroups
and
those
three
subgroups
there's
a
policy
subgroup,
there's
a
coordination
and
maintenance
subgroup
and
then
there's
a
details
and
specific
education's
subgroup
and
those
three
groups
are
are
very
focused
on
those
particular
issues.
You
know
advancing
or
you
know,
concocting
and
then
proposing
policy
that
could
help
increase,
screen
infrastructure
implementation
across
the
city.
E
E
The
subsurface
infiltration
where
you
like.
If
there
are
some
areas
we
understand
where
you
just
need
the
solid
surface
for
like
mixing
zones
or
other
things
in
the
city.
So
when
you
absolutely
need
your
your
impermeable
surface
for
some
reason,
there's
the
option
to
just
infiltrate:
storm
water
under
the
sidewalk.
You
know
with
a
stone
or
Sand
Bay,
structural
soil
infiltration
area
and
then
last
but
not
least,
you
can
just
seed
it
with
Native
species.
So
you
know
rather
than
again
just
Paving
it.
You
have
the
option
to
now
seed
it.
E
The
policy
also
included
two
maintenance
contracts,
one
for
landscape
maintenance
and
one
for
maintenance
on
Forest
Paving
materials,
which
is
great
and
those
are
available
to
City
projects
throughout
the
city.
And
then
the
last
piece
was
we're
establishing
a
volunteer
program
so
that
residents
can
volunteer
to
adopt
a
green
infrastructure
feature
in
their
neighborhood.
The
hope
is
that
you
know
people
will
feel
a
sense
of
Pride
and
ownership
and
and
really
you
know,
start
to
to
look
for
green
infrastructure
in
their
neighborhoods.
E
You
know,
because
they're
able
to
participate
in
its
in
its
care.
So
that's
another
thing
that
we're
really
excited
about.
We
are
also
working
on
integrating
green
infrastructure
and
I'm,
putting
that
in
quotes
because
I'm
we're
specifically
calling
out
green
infrastructure
in
City
requirements
and
regulations.
E
You
know
how
how
they
have
Rewritten
their
requirements
and
regulations
to
specifically
call
out
green,
green
vegetated
infrastructure,
green
infrastructure,
as
opposed
to
just
subsurface
infiltration,
and
we've
seen
a
couple
of
really
wonderful
examples.
Some
cities
and
towns
use
like
decision
matrices
and
checklists
some
use
green
infrastructure
hierarchies,
which
essentially,
like
the
first
tier
of
features.
You
know:
buyer
retention,
bios,
Wills
rain,
Gardens,
that's
what
we'd
like
you
to
use.
E
First,
if
you
can't
make
that
work,
and
you
have
to
explain
why,
then
you
can
use
this
kind
of
second
tier
and
then,
if
you
can't
make
those
work,
you
know-
and
you
have
to
explain
why
you
know
you
can
use
the
third
tier
so
just
kind
of
like
making
it
more
clear
through
the
language
that
we
put
in
our
requirements
and
regulations
that
green
infrastructure
is
a
priority
for
the
city.
It
is
important
to
us
and
it
is
something
that
we
expect
to
see.
E
You
know,
Green
infrastructure
as
a
concept
and
as
something
that
is
important,
that
we
need
to
do
in
the
city
and
how
it
translates
into
green
jobs
and
Economic
Opportunity
and
development.
And
so
one
of
the
things
that
we
are
going
to
be
doing
is
the
city
is
going
to
be
offering
some
national
green
infrastructure
certification
program
trainings.
E
It's
a
national
certification
program,
as
its
name
describes
that
essentially
trains
individuals
in
how
to
construct
and
maintain
green
infrastructure
and
then
there's
an
exam
that
is
taken
at
the
end.
And
then
a
certification
is
issued
for
those
who
pass
the
exam
and
the
goal
is
by
hosting
those
trainings
and
and
paying
for
the
cost
of
those
trainings
will
be
able
to
certify.
E
You
know
small
company
that
is
able
to
you
know,
bid
on
green
infrastructure
maintenance
contracts,
not
just
for
the
city,
but
you
know
for
other.
You
know
private
institutions
and
private
properties
and
again
also
just
trying
to
make
sure
that
all
people
who
go
through
this
training
are
aware
of
what's
available
to
them
after
so
that
includes
connecting
them
and
with
educational
institutions.
E
If
they
decide
they
really
like
this
field,
and
they
want
to,
you
know,
pursue
an
Associates
or
even
a
bachelor's
in
this
in
this
field,
you
know
just
making
sure
that
they're
getting
those
connections
and
being
helped
into
those
programs
as
well
and
also
just
we
are
doing
a
couple
of
training
days
with
the
City's
power
core
Boston
program,
which
I'm
really
excited
about.
Hopefully
I'll
be
feeling
better
by
next
week,
which
is
what
I'm
supposed
to
be
doing
those
trainings,
but
we've
also
discussed
potentially
doing
a
full
six
month.
E
Power
course
session.
That
would
be
focused
on
green
infrastructure.
Specifically
so
again,
that
would
get
a
little
bit
more
into
some
of
the
design,
construction,
maintenance
and
monitoring
components
that
are
really
essential
to
make
sure
that
green
infrastructure
is,
you
know,
being
installed,
but
also
is
thriving
in
our
city.
So
a
couple
of
really
cool
things
that
we're
excited
about
I
forgot,
to
mention
too
I've
I've,
also
been
made
a
reviewer
for
the
public
improvements.
E
A
F
Thank
you
good
morning,
everybody.
My
name
is
Christian
simonelli
I'm,
the
executive
director
of
the
groundwater
trust.
The
trust
was
established
by
this
Council
in
1986
to
monitor
groundwater
levels
in
Boston's
filled
land
neighborhoods,
where
thousands
of
buildings
are
supported
on
wood
piles.
Many
of
those
buildings
will
last
indefinitely
if
the
wood
piles
remain
submerged
below
the
groundwater
table.
However,
if
the
groundwater
levels
drop,
the
pause
can
begin
to
Decay
and
eventually
lead
to
an
expensive
foundation
repair.
F
Today
we
monitor
those
groundwater
levels
through
our
vast
813
groundwater
observation
wall,
Network,
maintaining
groundwater
levels
as
a
partnership
that
partnership
includes
city
and
state
agencies
which
have
committed,
through
the
city
state
groundwater
working
group
to
ultimately
maintain
and
repair
underground
infrastructure,
sewers
tunnels,
drains
manholes
Etc
in
our
areas
of
Interest
replenishing
groundwater
levels
is
also
a
partnership.
What
we
get
for
rainfall
or
snow
melt
is
is
ultimately
maintaining
and
replenishing
groundwater
table.
F
The
Boston,
Water
and
Sewer
Commissioners
require
thousands
of
their
customers
to
install
groundwater,
recharge
systems,
one
to
clean
the
water
for
pollution
prevention
and
then
two
to
comply
with
the
groundwater
conservation
overlay,
District
g-cod,
article
32
zoning,
but
what
about
recharge
in
the
public
way?
First,
how
far
back
as
I
can
remember-
and
this
is
actually
pretty
depressing
I've-
been
with
the
trust
since
1999.
had
a
full
edit
hair
at
the
time
too,
discussion
around
recharge
in
the
public
way
was
just
that
it
was
a
discussion
most
of
the
time.
F
The
primary
reason
centered
around
complications
due
to
underground
obstructions
is
why
we
couldn't
put
it
in
I
can
attest
to
this
firsthand,
having
supervised
the
installation
of
over
600
observation
wells
in
the
public
way.
Also
in
2013,
we
partnered
with
public
works
and
Charles
River
Watershed
Association
on
a
course
alley
in
the
South
End,
we
learned
quite
a
bit,
particularly
about
underground
underground
obstructions
as
a
stakeholder.
Our
role
in
there
in
that
project
was
to
evaluate
the
effectiveness
of
the
porous
alley
and
the
way
that
we
did
that
was.
F
We
installed
two
groundwater
observation
wells
in
the
vicinity
of
the
porous
alley
and
we've
been
manually
in
electronically
monitoring
them
for
almost
10
years,
we've
seen
a
positive
but
limited
impact
to
area
groundwater
levels.
Quite
frankly,
we
simply
need
more
green
infrastructure
to
have
a
greater
more
widespread
impact
on
the
groundwater
table.
F
I
was
actually
delighted
to
hear
that
Kate
England
was
hired
as
the
inaugural
director
of
green
infrastructure.
Quite
Frank
I
think
you
can
see
from
her
testimony.
You
really
probably
couldn't
find
anybody
more
qualified
or
definitely
couldn't
find
anybody
more
enthusiastic
than
Kate
is.
Let's
talk
about
green
infrastructure,
she's
really
passionate
about
it,
obviously
and
I
think.
Certainly
the
right
person
for
the
job
and
again
as
Kate
mentioned
I,
was
even
more
delighted
on
the
21st
of
October
when
we
announced
a
new
policy
for
stormwater
mitigation.
F
Finally,
there's
a
policy
in
place
for
the
qualified
person
to
oversee
it
in
closing
our
organization
is
ruling
and
eager
to
help
really
in
any
way
that
we
can
Kate
has
mentioned.
She
had
formed
and
held
meetings
of
green
infrastructure
working
groups
which
we
were
invited
to
and
participate
in
moving
forward.
We
can
assist
in
other
ways
as
well,
whether
it
be
evaluating
the
impact
or
assessing
the
maintenance
and
need
for
green
infrastructure
that
is
installed
in
the
public
way.
F
You
know
we
can
use
our
wells
to
gauge
the
effectiveness
of
these
of
these
installations.
We
can
have
our
field
Engineers
go
out
and
see
if
an
area
needs
to
be
maintained,
cleaned
which
is
again
Kate
mentioned.
The
maintenance
is
a
huge
part
of
this,
and
also
perhaps
this
may
be
time
to
revisit
the
city
state
groundwater
working
group
that
was
established
in
2005.
as
I
mentioned
earlier.
The
sole
purpose
of
that
group
has
been
for
the
agencies
to
maintain
and
repair
the
underground
infrastructure.
F
Perhaps
expanding
the
purpose
of
that
group
to
include
implementing
green
infrastructure
in
the
public
ways
is
a
possibility.
This
group
could
essentially
be
a
testing
ground
for
small
and
large-scale
green
infrastructure
projects
in
the
public
way.
We
could
also
look
to
add
additional
members
to
the
working
group
to
appropriately
represent
the
city
and
state
goals
for
climate
resiliency.
I,
look
forward
to
working
with
the
council
and
all
Representatives
here
today
on
moving
this
long
overdue
policy
forward
and
efficient,
productive
manner.
A
G
G
And
I
consider
it
a
good
year
also
the
a
couple
of
things
I
want
to
bring
up
to
make
sure
we
all
understand
it.
We
were
Boston
was
formed
in
1977,
actually
started
working
as
a
commission,
separate
Commission
in
1978,
and
we
were
formed
because
of
the
disrepair
of
the
water
and
sewer
systems.
50
of
our
water
drinking
water
we
bought
was
going
unnoticed.
G
We
didn't
know
where
it
was
at
the
time
on
this
on
the
sewers
we
were
having
overflows
daily,
14
million
gallons
a
day
of
raw
sewage,
going
underneath
the
New
England
Aquarium
on
a
daily
basis.
So
it
was
that
purpose
that
we
were
set
aside
from
the
city.
We
were,
we
have
no
relationships
with
the
city
as
far
as
budgetary
concerns
go
we're
totally
separate.
We
get
no
money
from
the
city
at
all.
G
We
raise
our
money
from
our
rate
payers
and
we
were
required
to
do
that,
beginning
in
1978,
putting
together
a
capital
plan
which
we
do
every
year
and
we
send
copies
over
to
the
councils
of
what
we
plan
to
do.
We
coordinate
with
all
the
city
departments,
all
the
state
departments
to
make
sure
that
we
don't
interrupt
the
public.
G
Boston
Water
and
Sewer,
along
with
the
mwra,
undertook
a
CSO
long-term
control
plan
over
the
past
25
years
and
we've
completed
it.
It
was
about
a
billion
dollars.
It
costs
to
do
it.
A
lot
of
the
work
we
did
was
by
separating
these
combined
sewers.
We
did
a
lot
of
work
in
Jamaica
Plain
a
lot
of
work
in
Dorchester
in
South
Boston
on
the
beaches.
We
have
tunnels
built
to
capture
this
water,
so
it
doesn't
get
on
the
beach
with
Philadelphia
and
several
of
the
other
cities.
G
The
major
ones
that
you
see
doing
the
work,
including
New
York,
are
doing.
Is
they
approaching
CSO
control
differently
than
we
did?
We
did
it
by
pipes
and
Council.
Bach
probably
mentioned
that
it
was
big
gray
infrastructure,
they're,
doing
it
by
Building
green
infrastructure
to
capture
the
water,
so
it
doesn't
get
in
the
pipe,
but
you
can
capture
only
so
much
water
and
the
thing
we're
looking
at
is
the
long
term.
It's
it's
raining
hotter,
it's
raining
more
and
we
need
to
worry
about
two
things.
G
One
thing
is
the
quality
of
the
water,
but
also
the
ability
not
to
flood
people.
So
this
is
something
that
the
commission
took
a
different
tact
on
so
in
in
Philadelphia's
case
their
option
is,
you
can
see
all
the
great
controls,
in
our
case
we're
buried
most
of
our
controls
and
in
2012
we
entered
into
a
consent
decree
with
the
Department
of
Justice
and
clf,
because
we
had
illegal
sewer
connections
tied
into
the
drains
raw
sewers
was
going
into
our
storm
drainage
and
into
the
Charles
River
and
into
Boston
Harbor.
G
They
believed
we
weren't
fixing
it
fast
enough
under
the
Clean
Water
Act.
So
we
entered
into
a
consent
decree,
and
a
couple
of
things
came
up
on
that
we
continue
to
remove
all
the
illegal
connections.
We
do
that
at
our
cost.
These
are
homeowners
that
were
built
many
many
years
ago,
tied
in,
but
you
got
to
remember
up
till
1968.
We
were
pumping
the
raw
sewage
from
downtown
Boston
out
of
Moon
Island
untreated.
So
that's
not
that
long
ago
either.
So
we
we
went
ahead
and
we
agreed
with
the
cleaning
up
of
the
illegal
connections.
G
What
that
is
is
when
phosphorus
is
Airborne
mostly,
but
it
also
comes
from
tires
and
other
problems
that
did
come
from
fertilizer,
but
that's
mostly
stopped
too
much.
Phosphorus
was
getting
in
the
Charles
River,
causing
the
large
algae
out
blooms
on
the
Charles,
and
we
were
required
and
agreed
that
over
30
years
we
would
Reduce
by
62
percent
the
amount
of
phosphorus
coming
from
the
city
getting
into
the
Charles
River.
G
We've
done
a
lot
of
work
on
that
and
part
of
doing
that
work.
We
require
that
everybody
with
new
construction
capture,
the
water
on
their
property
on
from
impervious
areas,
put
it
into
the
ground,
so
it
also
helps
the
groundwater,
but
the
infiltration
Chambers.
We
require
them
to
build
work
extremely
well
for
controlling
the
phosphorus.
It's
a
very
effective.
G
It's
nature,
doing
what
it
normally
did
in
the
little
gullies
we
did
not
require-
and
we
have
been
speaking
with
the
city
about
encouraging
people
to
do
more
biosoils,
but
as
if
you
can
imagine
how
small
a
lot
of
our
properties
are
in
the
city,
there's
not
a
lot
of
room
to
build
large
rain
guidance.
People
are
trying
to
put
as
much
housing,
affordable,
housing
or
other
housing
as
they
can
on
the
property
they
have
to
park
the
cars
by
using
these
infiltration
Chambers.
G
So
we
have
got
Stone
water
models.
We've
got
BMP
models,
we've
got
more
models
than
you
could
imagine.
We
we
have
tried
and
true
tested
them
out.
They
work.
Well,
we
are
just
now
embarking
on
brand
new
ones
and
we're
going
to
do
is
take
future
climate
change
guesses,
the
best
we
can
call
them
and
the
impact
in
the
city
and
make
sure
that
we
were
able
to
avoid
flooding
in
2050
and
2070..
G
You
may
have
heard
about
our
inundation
model,
where
we
worked
with
climate
ready,
Boston
and
we're
trying
to
figure
out
when
the
tides
get
high
in
2050.
How
do
we
get
rid
of
the
storm
water?
And
you
will
see
a
report
in
the
next
couple
of
months
of
our
proposals,
of
how
we
control
stormwater,
when
the
super
tides
are
here
in
2050-207..
G
The
reason
we
want
to
redo
our
models
now
is
we
have
Inland
flooding.
Flooding
can
easily
occur
inland.
We
have
done
studies
in
the
2015-2017
range
of.
Where
can
we
pocket
and
park
rainwater
during
heavy
storms,
for
instance,
the
animal
Arboretum
has
fussy,
broken
Goldsmith
brought
both
of
them
running
through
them
large
Parklands.
G
If
there's
a
way,
we
can
control
and
hold
the
water
in
there
during
a
rain
event
and
slowly
release
it
after
the
rain
event,
probably
within
24
hours,
we
can
avoid
major
flooding
that
we
did
experience
in
1996
down
at
Wentworth,
Northeast
and
Museum
of
Fine
Arts.
We've
already
done
the
preliminary
models
in
this.
A
very
important
point:
you
should
understand:
Boston
water
sewer
does
not
own
land
in
the
city
of
Boston,
we
own
our
building
over
on
980
Harrison,
and
we
own
a
Materials
Handling
facility
on
Alfred
Street
beside
the
casino
other
than
that.
G
We
can't
simply
pot
water
on
someone
else's
property
without
them
asking
us
to
bring
it
in.
So
this
is
extremely
important
to
understand.
We
need
the
collaboration
and
help
of
many
others,
including
the
City
of
Austin
PWD.
Now
we'll
work
with
them
for
the
last
10
years
for
a
lot
of
green
infrastructures
work,
we
were
required
to
do
work
in
Audubon
Circle
under
the
consent
degree
City,
Hall
Plaza
in
Central
Square,
as
demonstration
projects
of
what
could
be
done
and
you've
probably
seen
all
three
of
them
and
they
work
very
well.
G
We
also
worked
with
the
city
city
of
Boston
in
New,
England,
Avenue,
Codman
Square.
We
have
some
alleys
and
back
street
we've
got
Lodge
infiltration,
Chambers
there
that
were
built
all
techniques
that
we
wanted
to
show
the
city.
This
is
what
can
work
extremely
well
outside
our
building
at
980
Harrison.
You
don't
see
it,
you
see
the
trees
and
you
get
the
signs,
but
we
capture
all
the
rainwater
from
that
street.
We
put
it
underground
running
through
pipes
and
we
feed
the
trees
water.
G
So
all
the
water
that
comes
the
first
ancient
water
that
comes
goes
to
feed
the
trees.
All
the
time
80
85
percent
of
all
the
rain
stones
that
occur
in
the
city
today
are
one
inch
and
less
so
we're
able
to
capture
all
that
water
and
it
works
really
well,
so
we've
enjoyed
a
great
relationship
with
Public
Works
they
own.
Another
number,
that's
quite
large,
6.5
square
miles
by
our
estimate
is
impervious
surface
owned
by
the
public
works
department.
Those
are
the
streets
and
the
sidewalks.
G
That
is
a
lot
of
equivalent
rooftops
in
the
city.
You
should
know
that,
right
now
we
have
4
200
infiltration
systems
built
around
the
city,
mostly
on
private
property,
and
they
actually,
the
Treaty
of
the
area
is
1100
Acres,
which
is
quite
a
bit,
but
it's
nothing
compared
to
what
the
city
of
Boston
streets
are
and
that's
where
we
really
need
to
take
a
look
at
next
and
take
care
of
it.
Our
job
is
to
take
the
water
from
all
properties
of
the
city.
G
Get
it
into
our
pipes,
infiltrate
what
we
can
treat,
what
we
can
and
then
just
shatter
to
The
Rivers.
Another
research
we
were
doing
was
on
Talbot
Avenue
and
over
by
Blue
Hill
Avenue.
We
had
an
old
chamber
that
was
falling
apart
and
we're
taking
the
opportunity
for
over
a
million
dollars
to
build
a
chamber
with
a
type
of
charcoal.
G
If
you
can
think
of
activated
charcoal
where
we
believe
we
can
remove
phosphorus
and
we
have
hired
University
of
mass
in
Amherst
and
Northeastern
University
to
actually
study
the
science
of
it
to
make
sure
it
works.
So
again,
there
may
be
other
options
for
us
on
a
large
scale
that
take
care
of
the
pollution.
It
doesn't
take
care
of
the
heat
island
and
it
doesn't
take
care
of
the
grass
strips
that
Kate
England
was
speaking
about
that's
a
whole
other
program
that
the
city
will
be
undertaking
in
we're.
G
Looking
for
pollution
control
is
the
big
big
Power
we're
looking
for,
and
those
that
should
be
built
this
December
through
January,
and
the
results
should
be
out
in
about
a
year
to
see
how
well
that
works
again.
Pollution
Control
is
as
important
as
the
green
infrastructure
on
all
of
our
streets,
so
I
just
wanted
to
make
sure
you
understood.
We
will
work
with
the
city,
we're
working
with
them
in
all
types.
G
We
have
a
manual
for
the
public
on
our
website,
all
the
different
types
of
green
infrastructure
that
work
in
the
city
and
how
effective
they
are
and
we're
currently
designing
a
maintenance
manual.
So
if
you
decide
in
Yaya,
you
want
a
rain
Garden,
we
will
have
a
maintenance
checklist.
That'll
tell
you
make
sure
you
check
this
off
to
this
this
this
and
we'll
see
how
well
it
all
works,
and
we
need
to
do
that
because
we
need
to
educate
the
public
a
major
part
of
educate
the
public.
G
Is
we
built
in
five
City
School
units
green
infrastructure
about
10
years
ago?
We
also
put
together
a
curriculum
for
the
teachers
to
teach
this
in
the
same
schools,
because
it's
our
children
that
are
going
to
be
picking
up
this
Legacy.
That's
I'll,
be
our
children
that
have
to
make
sure
that
all
of
this
works
and
is
continually
funded.
So
we
we
maintain
it
I
would
mention
that
Kate
England
was
working
for
the
Boston
water,
soil
commission.
While
we
did
that
that
was
one
of
her
first
jobs.
G
That's
that's
about
all
I
have
oh
one
final.
One
I
want
to
tell
you
commend
the
Boston
parks
department.
They
are
unbelievable
for
embracing
green
infrastructure,
we're
working
with
them
now
on
Daisy
field,
that's
over
in
Jamaica
Plain,
where
75
Acres
of
water
comes
down
to
one
pipe.
We
have
a
scheme
to
build
green
infrastructure.
There
do
some
public
education
there
and
they
will
rebuild
the
field
there,
but
in
all
the
other
work
they
do.
G
One
of
the
easiest
jobs
I
have
is
when
we
sign
all
the
plans
for
new
connections
to
our
system,
box,
Department
home
run
every
time
they
take
care
of
everything
so
they're
a
good
example
of.
What's
going
on
in
the
city.
What
city
can
do
with
its
property
to
clean
up
the
water
before
they
discharge
it
to
us.
A
Mr
Sullivan,
thank
you.
Thank
you
to
all
panelists
and
we're
going
to
go
down
to
questions
and
I'll
defer.
First
to
my
co-chair,
counselor
Lara,
oh
well,
I
think
it'll
be
okay.
I'll
just
recognize
that
counselor
Gabriela
Coletta
has
joined
us
from
district
one,
as
mentioned
before.
She
was
at
the
substation
hearing
before
this,
but
she's
the
co-sponsor
along
with
me
and
counselor
Braden,
so
welcome,
counselor,
Coletta
and
we'll
do
Council,
Lara's
questions
and
then
go
to
my
colleagues
and
I
can
back
clean
up
thanks.
Thank.
B
You
so
much
here
and
thank
you
all
for
your
presentations
and
all
the
information
that
you've
given
us
today.
Do
we
know-
and
this
might
be
a
question
for
director
England
or
for
anybody
who
can
answer
in
which
neighborhoods
are
going
to
be
the
most
impacted
by
the
flooding
in
the
next
decade
or
so.
E
So
we
have
certain
neighborhoods
in
the
city
that
we
are
already
experiencing
kind
of
localized
drainage
issues
and
John
I
know
one
of
his
favorite
things
to
say
is:
if
you
know
of
anywhere
where
there
is
flooding.
Please
point
it
out.
We
all
feel
that,
but
there
are
parts
of
Dorchester
and
Roxbury
that
already
experience
standing
water
during
large
storm
events.
A
lot
of
this
has
to
do
with
older
infrastructure
or
undersized
infrastructure,
and
we've
talked
a
little
bit
about.
E
E
That
shows
locations
where
we
anticipate
inundation,
based
on
increased
storm
intensity
and
a
variety
of
other
things,
and
it
points
out
the
neighborhoods
that
I
just
mentioned,
as
well
as
sections
of
East
Boston
and
South
Boston
as
well,
and
so
we
can
maybe
talk
a
little
bit
more
about
that.
You
know
when
there's
more
visuals
to
kind
of
point
to
and
then
the
coastal
flooding
piece
of
it
all
of
our
Coastal
communities.
E
Obviously
experience
coastal
flooding
and
the
reason
that
I
wanted
to
bring
this
up
is
that
the
way
that
we
current
currently
manage
storm
water
is
we
we
have
tide
Gates,
essentially
that
are
on
the
edges
or
ends
of
our
pipes
and
what
the
tide
Gates
do.
Is
they
prevent
high
tides
that
that
John
was
mentioning
from
coming
up
into
our
existing
infrastructure
and
then
up
into
our
neighborhoods?
E
You
know
astronomically
High,
Tides,
King,
tides
and
a
variety
of
other.
You
know
again
relatively
higher
than
normal
tides,
and
we
saw
in
2016
and
2018
a
few
major
events
that
happened
where
we
had
high
tides,
coupled
with
large
storms
that
dropped
a
lot
of
precipitation
and,
as
a
result,
we
experienced
flooding
in
the
downtown
area
and
a
few
other
locations
that
were
maybe
unexpected,
primarily
because
of
what
I
just
described
so
again.
Storm
water.
That
is
no
longer
able
to
leave
you
know
or
to
discharge
to
water
bodies.
E
E
And
so
you
know,
one
of
the
things
that
we'll
be
looking
at
from
the
city
side
is
creating
storage
capacity
and
adding
green
infrastructure
in
those
neighborhoods,
so
that
we
can
give
them
a
better
chance
of
you
know
kind
of
recovering
quickly
reducing
damage
in
a
variety
of
other
things
that
I
think
green
infrastructure
has
kind
of
been
used
for
successfully
in
other
cities
and
towns
across
the
country.
So
that
was
a
bit
more
than
I,
probably
wanted
to
provide
and
I'm
happy
to
allow
others
to
weigh
in
as
well.
But
yeah
I.
G
Council,
as
I
mentioned,
we
are
redoing
our
models
to
answer
that
question,
exactly
we're
going
to
be
taking
the
future
projected
rainfall
and
and
all
the
tides
and
everything
else
that
comes
with
it.
We
have
10
rain
gauges
in
the
city
that
we
measure
every
single
rainstorm.
We
measure
it
down
to
five
minute
increments,
with
a
standard
across
the
United
States
is
in
15
minutes.
We
can
tell
how
hot
it
rains
the
intensity
and
the
changes.
G
The
other
thing
we
just
were
approved
by
our
commissioners
was
to
make
our
sewer
system
smile
and
what
we're
doing
is
we're
putting
in
devices
into
sewers
so
that
they
can
respond
to
us
every
time
it
rains
out.
They
will
tell
us
exactly
how
high
they
got
and
where
they
were,
and
we
started
off
with
an
initial
I
believe
500
units.
We
expected
eventually
to
have
almost
2
000
units
out
there
reporting
to
us
how
the
sewers
are
interacting.
G
Yes,
which
pipes
we
know
the
capacity
of
them
and
the
computer
model
says
well,
it
gets
full
or
it
gets.
You
know
a
little
bit
higher,
but
this
will
tell
us
when
it
gets
full
during
the
rain
event,
so
we
can
compare
when
it's
raining.
We
know
where
it's
raining,
because
the
tide
rain
gauges
tell
us
and
we
can
tell
how
high
they
are.
So
we
we
intend
to
get
this
thing
and
move
it
forward
so
that
our
sewer
system
responds
to
us.
In
addition,
we
have
two
major
projects
going
on
right
now.
G
We
are
continuing
our
CSL
separation
work
in
South
Boston.
We
have
a
120
million
dollar
job,
going
on
right
now
in
South
Boston,
taking
out
ancient
infrastructure,
putting
in
new
water
putting
in
new
sewers
and
drains
so
that
we
can
separate
the
systems
both
with
pollution
control.
But
we
couldn't
put
in
larger
pipes
we're
also
in
East
Boston.
We
just
initiated
the
design
we're
going
to
separate
the
remaining
parts
of
East
Boston.
It
all
came
up.
G
B
You
Mr
Sullivan,
and
so,
if
I
may,
it
seems
like
there
may
be
some
an
excuse,
my
pun,
some
overlap
with
the
wet
spots
and
the
hot
spots
in
the
city
as
well.
Given
the
environmental
justice
like
the
localized
Flooding,
at
least
with
the
environmental
justice,
neighborhoods
and
I,
think
one
of
the
things
that
we
know
about
green
storm
water
infrastructure
is
that
it
not
only
helps
with
the
storm
water
but
depending
on
what
kind
of
interventions
are
implemented.
They
also
cool
down,
neighborhoods,
and
so
is
there.
B
You
know
I'm
really
excited
about
the
green
infrastructure
policy,
but
from
what
I
know
it
only
requires
City
projects
to
do
this.
Are
we
incentivizing
private
projects
or
construction
buildings
to
implement
green
storm
water
infrastructure
in
this,
particularly
in
neighborhoods
that
are
also
heat?
Islands
like
Chinatown
that
could
benefit
from
you
know,
roof,
Gardens
and
so
on
and
so
forth.
E
You
know
or
storm
water
management,
but
no
specific
requirements,
for
you
know
Green
infrastructure
with
co-benefits
and
those
co-benefits
are
going
to
be
so
essential
to
you
know
to
keeping
our
communities
cooler
to
improving
air
quality,
to
adding
Green
Space
to
neighborhoods.
That
don't
have
any.
E
The
the
green
infrastructure
side
of
this
will
will
have
lots
of
benefits
in
terms
of
cooling,
certain
neighborhoods
that
really
need
it
cooling
all
of
our
neighborhoods
really.
But
you
know,
if
there's
a
real
emphasis
placed
on
you,
know
installing
green
infrastructure
in
neighborhoods
that
really
need
it.
The
co-benefit
impacts
can
be
quite
huge,
or
you
know
quite
large,.
D
You,
madam
chair,
thank
you
for
your
presentation.
I'm
just
curious
in
terms
of
the
projections
is
really
important,
like
I.
Think
we've
underestimated
the
impact
of
these
extreme
weather
events
like
they.
They
can
drop
a
lot
of
rain
and
especially
if
we
get
one,
that's
a
slow
moving
storm
that
stays
with
us
for
a
while.
D
And
then,
if
we
have
a
big
storm
coming
off,
come
on
Shore
that
the
water
is
not
actually
able
to
get
into
the
into
the
harbor
as
well
so
I'm.
Just
thinking
what
sort
of
capacity
do
we
have
in
the
city
to
have
a
ponding
system
in
our
Parks
like
I,
know,
I,
know
you're
very
familiar
with
the
Austin
flood
plain
by
Charles,
River
and
we're
thinking
about?
Is
there
a?
Is
there
a
green,
a
green
supplement
as
well
as
just
thinking
about
a
huge
72-inch
storm
drain?
D
G
Well,
first,
we
we
have
to
admit
that
we
only
are
looking
at
a
design
storm
of
a
10-year
storm,
basically
a
little
under
six
inches
of
rain.
Excuse
me
anything
over
that.
It's
going
to
flood
the
pipes
are
not
designed.
You
can't
build
a
system
big
enough
for
that,
but
they
are
fortunately
very
rare.
The
largest
rain
we
ever
got
was
in
54
with
11
and
a
half
inches
or
so
of
rain
over
a
couple
of
days,
and
there
was
a
lot
of
flooding,
but
since
then,
we've
made
a
lot
of
improvements.
G
Places
that
are
tributary
to
the
Childs
were
all
dependent
on
the
Charles
River
Dam.
If
that
dam
is
working
and
that
is
such
a
large
pool,
it
works
very
well.
We
just
need
to
get
the
water
from
the
neighborhood
out
to
the
river.
The
river
will
take
care
of
itself
as
long
as
DC
has
operating
the
dam
and
they've
done
it
very
well,
and
there's
a
study
going
on
now
to
figure
out
how
to
make
sure
that
keeps
going.
G
We're
looking
at
our
biggest
drainage
area
is
the
Stony
Brook,
which
is
a
six
and
a
half
mile
pipe.
It
runs
from
the
Back.
Bay
fence
runs
up
into
High
Park.
There's
a
lot
of
opportunity
there
for
public
land
to
be
inundated.
It's
public
land
that
we
don't
necessarily
own.
The
Arboretum
run
by
Harvard
is
owned
by
parks.
There
are
all
kinds
of
environmental
rules
of
what
you
can
do
and
what
you
can't.
So
we
are
looking
at
first
of
all
quantity.
Can
we
hold
it?
G
The
smart
sewers
would
tell
us
when
this
capacity
and
system
the
pipe
would
actually
tell
us,
you
can
start
dump
it
some
water,
so
we
believe
there's
a
lot
of
work
to
be
done
on
that
we're
going
to
continue
doing
that
we're
doing
the
model
first.
So
in
two
years
we're
going
to
know
more
about
this
city
and
where
it
floods.
G
Our
current
model
is
great
on
the
coast,
not
so
great
Inland,
because
we
didn't
study
it
that
deep
people
were
shocked
when
Spring,
Street
and
West
Roxbury
got
flooded
with
four
feet
of
water,
just
an
oddball
thing
and
there's
a
solution,
but
the
model
doesn't
show
it
yeah
because
we
didn't
study
it
so
we're
going
to
redo
the
model.
We
look
at
these
areas
for
inundation
working
with
Kate
and
her
crew.
Talk
about
what
city
places
can
we
park
water
if
we
need
to
and
then
we've
got
the
environmental
rules
to
get
over.
G
You
know:
I
sit
on
the
concom,
I
know
what
we
do
to
people
about
environmental
rules
and
what
you
can
do
and
what
you
can't
and
it
may
be
at
the
end
of
the
day.
If
we
want
to
live
as
a
city,
we
may
need
to
change
some
of
these
rules
for
exceptions
that
we
can
in
fact
do
that,
and
so
we
we're
going
to
continue
pushing
them,
we'll
be
coming
up
with
a
plan
and
we'll
be
publishing
the
plan
and
then
we'll
see
where
it
goes
from
there.
D
D
You
know
they're
on
big
little
Hill
they're
in
Atlanta
over
and
and
then
you
just
think
well
we're
gonna
get
a
strong
rainstorm
and
all
that
water
is
just
going
to
come
tearing
down
into
the
hollows
and
we're
going
to
have
pawns
all
over
flooded,
flooded
housing,
flooding
streets.
So
is
there?
Are
you
working
with
like
what
department?
What
are
other
departments
doing
to?
And
this
might
be
a
question
for
other
just
to
try
and
I?
D
G
Just
I
think
that's
a
great
idea
and
I
think
it
can
be
controlled
through
the
inspectional
services
department.
You
can't
do
that
on
your
property
without
a
permit
from
ISD
and
that's
where
we
could
control
it.
Stop
it
take
a
look
at
the
property
and
say
what
are
you
doing
if
you're
adding
in
previous
area,
you
can't
do
it,
you
must
do
it
now.
We
only
get
a
hold
of
people
when
they
need
a
connection
to
a
water
or
sewer
pipe.
G
If
they
don't
need
a
new
connection
for
water
so
or
they
bypass
us
and
they
go
right
to
ISD
and
do
what
they
need
to
do.
So
that
is
a
great
control
center
at
ISD
for
any
changes
in
previous
surface
or
if
somebody
wanted
to
repave.
There
was
a
the
Harvard
Medical
spot
over
by
Hancock
Village.
We
paid
their
entire
parking
lot
over
there
and
for
another
20
years,
and
there
was
no
really
green
infrastructure.
I
think
they
planted
the
tree
so,
but
but
what
could
have
been
done
there?
G
What
could
have
done
to
hold
more
water
to
additionally
put
it
in
the
into
the
ground?
And
you
got
to
remember
in
the
summer
when
the
Charles
River
gets
really
low
and
flow
if
we've
been
putting
all
that
spring
water
into
the
ground,
that's
going
to
continually
flow
through
the
summer
through
the
river.
So
that's
going
to
help
the
health
of
the
river
not
just
immediately
when
we
don't
flash
flood
it,
but
it
helps
it
long
term,
because
groundwater
moves
very
slowly
and
it
always
moves
to
its
water
body
yeah.
F
Think
I
just
want
to
add
on
that.
You
know
the
paving
and
the
resurfacing
of
a
lot
area
if,
if
a
proponent
in
the
g-cod
comes
to
ISD,
to
do
that
they're
required
to
put
in
pervious
pavement
or
groundwater
recharge
system,
so
an
ISD
is
the
one
that
enforces
that,
so
that
would
be
the
catch
simply
just
implemented
city-wide
and
not
just
in
the
g-cod.
You
know
we
have
a
bunch
of
systems
that
have
been
installed.
F
D
H
Thank
you,
madam
chair
cheers.
Plural.
This
is
great.
I
was
really
really
excited
for
this
hearing
and
apologies
for
being
late,
and
thank
you
for
your
presentation
and
your
work.
I'm
looking
at
John,
Christian
and
Kate.
Thank
you.
So
much
I'm
going
to
have
a
few
comment
comments
with
limited
questioning.
H
Only
because
I
was
late
and
I've
been
trying
my
best
to
listen
in
and
I
I
don't
want
to
be
redundant,
but
I
think
you
know,
I
would
be
remiss
just
being
the
representative
Rhys
Boston
I
would
be
remiss
if
I
did
not
bring
up
the
2018
bombogenesis.
That
happened
on
the
coast
of
East
Boston
Waterfront,
where
we
saw
High
Tides.
H
So
it
was
a
blizzard
High
Tides
went
up
and
over
the
platforms
that
were
built
on
for
new
developments,
but
then
we
also
saw
the
water
come
underneath
and
meet
each
other
in
addition
to
the
the
storm
surge
that
took
place
and
there
there's
Infamous
pictures
of
folks
in
kayaks
that
were
kayaking,
Down,
East,
Boston
streets,
so
I.
Think
of
that,
as
as
a
good
example
of
what
we
want
to
avoid
and
why
it's
so
important
to
invest
in
green
infrastructure
and
I
know
East
Boston
is
an
environmental
justice.
H
Community
I
just
got
off
this
substation
call
where
we
were
pleading
with
that
resource
to
please
prioritize
our
health
and
well-being
and
I
think
this
does
have
a
lot
to
do
with
the
health
and
well-being
of
residents
in
East
Boston.
A
lot
of
our
folks
live
in
sub
dwelling
units
right.
They
see
flooding
in
their
basements,
but
it's
where
they
live.
It's
where
kids
live.
It's
where
seniors
live,
so
I.
Think
of
this
investment
as
an
investment
in
our
Collective
future,
and
it's
something
that
again
I'm
really
excited
to
talk
about.
H
I
would
like
to
see
way
more
investment
to
help
Kate
expand
her
work
quickly
because
we
are
dealing
with
a
climate
crisis,
and
this
is
something
that
should
be
at
the
Forefront
of
our
mind
and
I.
Do
know
that
you
know
the
dbda
already
I,
don't
know
if
they
require
developers
to
do
this,
but
I
have
seen
in
conversations
or
in
scoping
sessions
where
they
talk
about
and
it's
largely
with
with
bigger
projects,
but
they
require
them
to
have
a
storm
water
mitigation
plan.
H
But
a
lot
of
it
is
those
those
dry
Wells
and
it's
largely
not
creative
and
it's
not
Innovative
and
it's
very
rare
that
I
see
rain,
Gardens
or
Urban
Farms
or
anything
related
to
vegetation,
so
I'm
thinking.
Why
can't
we
do
that
on
a
large
scale
here
in
the
city
on
our
sidewalks
on
our
streets
and
as
long
as
it's
Ada,
accessible
and
I
do
have
to
bring
up
the
fact
that
I
went
to
New
York
City
recently
and
what
I
saw
there
was
absolutely
beautiful.
There
were
bike
lanes
that
were
protected
by
permeable
spaces.
H
Sidewalk
blocks
were
were
dug
up
and
there
was
rain
Gardens
there
were
flower
beds
and
it
beautified
the
community
too.
It
was
just
gorgeous
to
walk
around
the
neighborhoods,
but
there
was
a
disparity.
I
saw
just
anecdotally
and
no
offense
to
my
siblings
in
New
York
City.
There
was
a
disparity
of
where
I
saw
this.
You
know
the
West
Village
is
a
largely
affluent
neighborhood,
it's
a
white
neighborhood,
and
then
we
took
a
long
walk.
I
tried
to
get
my
steps
in.
H
We
took
a
long
walk
to
the
Bronx
and
it
was
Nazi,
so
I
want
to
make
sure
no
matter
what
we're
avoiding
targeted
investments
in
certain
neighborhoods
and
not
the
other.
So
I
do
you
know
I
missed
Kate's
presentation,
but
I
know
that
this
is
something
that
she's
working
on
and
I
do
think
that
I
would
like
to
better
understand
as
we
move
forward
in
this
process,
how
we
are
being
intentional
with
our
investments.
H
I
know
that
we
want
to
leave
it
up
to
Residents
to
maybe
do
their
own
Ray
Gardens
in
their
backyard.
But
I
would
like
to
prioritize
environmental
justice
communities
like
East
Boston
if
I
can
make
that
plug-free
spots,
and
that
would
be
great
just
looking
at
my
notes
here,
because
there
there
were
a
lot
so
yeah,
just
in
general,
I
would
like
to
move
forward
in
this
conversation.
H
Just
with
you
know
the
best
approaches
and
strategies
about
what
other
cities
are
doing,
I
love
hearing
about
what's
going
on
underneath
our
streets
I
think
that's
largely
forgotten.
So
thank
you
for
talking
about
the
gauges
and
the
smart
sewer
systems,
I'm,
really
looking
forward
to
that
I'm
curious
about
the
East,
Eagle,
Square
construction
and
just
for
me,
and
for
everybody
watching
what
do
you
mean
by
separating
I?
Think
you
called
it
the
ancient
systems?
What
does
that
mean?
How
long
will
that
take
and
how?
G
The
sewer
system
that
goes
through
East
Eagle
square
and
goes
along
besides
the
park
there
almost
near
river
Source,
it's
a
combined
system,
and
so
it
carries
the
sewers
sewer
system
during
a
daily
basis
and
right
at
the
Fish
Company
it
dumps
into
the
mwra
in
off.
It
goes
when
it
rains
out
really
hot
there's
a
huge
tributary
area
behind
it.
G
Sewer
gets
overwhelmed
and
it
was
designed
to
overflow
into
Chelsea
Creek
we're
going
to
be
separating
that
so
when
it
rains
out
the
relatively
clean
storm
water
I
use
that
that
way,
it
doesn't
have
sewage
in
it
we'll
directly
go
to
the
Chelsea
Creek
and
the
sewage
will
go
right
to
the
treatment
plant.
So
that's
what
the
separation
will
be.
This
is
a
great
opportunity.
Our
pipes
are
very
old.
There
they're,
the
1870s
vintage.
Many
of
them
are
great
shape.
G
Many
of
them
are
not
so
great,
so
and
they're
built
smaller,
because
we
never
understood
back
in
1870
that
you
could
build
buildings
as
big
as
you
could.
We
didn't
build
as
many
buildings
we
didn't
cluster
them
together,
like
we
do
now,
so
you
need
more
capacity
in
these
pipes.
So
right
now
we're
undergoing
the
design.
That's
one
of
the
tailspins
of
the
of
the
area
we'll
be
doing
all
of
it
all
the
way
down
to
the
Callahan
tunnel
entrance
we're
separating
that
whole
entire
area,
which
brings
up
two
things.
G
It
allows
us
to
take
care
of
our
infrastructure.
The
gas
company
will
be
in
right
behind
us,
soles
of
the
other
underground
utilities
right
behind
us.
The
city
then,
has
the
opportunity
to
decide
how
it
wants
to
lay
out
the
streets
where
the
green
infrastructure
could
be
put
in,
so
that
the
water
was
cleaned
before
it
gets
into
that
storm
drain.
H
Looking
at
all
three
of
you
as
we're
moving
forward,
I
think
breaking
down
that
communication,
making
sure
that
our
our
back
end
systems
that
are
tracking
these
projects,
I
think
is
going
to
be
super
important
and
so
I
I,
don't
know!
If
we're
going
to
have
a
working
session
on
this,
but
getting
a
little
bit
more
specific
about
that
like
how
you
all
will
interact
and
ensuring
that
you
know,
residents
won't
be
looking
at
long
construction
delays.
H
A
A
A
I
had,
and
maybe
you
know,
okay,
this
might
be
for
you
in
the
first
is
sort
of
in
terms
of
that
I
also
I
like
the
idea
of
breaking
down
those
maintenance
contracts,
making
sure
that
they're
available
to
our
smaller
and
the
contractors
Etc,
but
in
in
terms
of
like
equipment,
the
city
should
own.
You
know
one
and
I
I
know
I've
said
this.
I've
said
this
to
you
and
to
Christian
and
John
I
can't
remember
if
I've
said
it
to
you
or
not,
but
like
it
drives
me
crazy.
A
The
idea
that
there
are
places
where
we
own
stuff
publicly
and
then
we
don't
put
in
permeable
pavers
because
we're
like
we
don't
own
the
vacuum
cleaners
to
do
this
and
have
the
maintenance
Crews
to
run
them,
not
because
I,
don't
think
the
vacuum
cleaners
are
important.
But
just
because
to
me
the
obvious
solution
to
that
problem
is
to
buy
the
vacuums
and
acknowledge
that
this
is
going
to
be
a
thing
we're
doing
going
forward,
as
opposed
to
saying,
because
we
don't
own
them.
A
We
can't
put
them
in
and
I
do
have
a
bit
of
a
concern
that
I
think
in
in
I
think
historically
and
John.
I
don't
know
if
this
is
still
true,
but
I
do
think.
There
have
been
instances
where
Boston,
Water
and
Sewer
has
you
know
in
your
review
of
plans
for
people
said
no,
don't
put
that
permeable
thing
in,
because
we
don't
think
you're
going
to
maintain
it
and
I
really
feel
like.
We
have
to
be
past
the
stage
of
saying
that
to
people
I
think
it's
got
to
be.
A
You've
got
to
have
a
maintenance
plan
right,
but
not
kind
of
that.
We're
not
going
to
have
that
type
of
stuff
going
in
so
I'm
kind
of
curious,
I
guess
on
all
fronts,
so
from
from
both
Kate
and
John
like
what
Kate?
What
do
you
think
the
city
needs
to
acquire?
What,
as
we
come
up
to
budget
season?
Do
we
need
to
be
buying
vacuum
cleaners?
Do
we
need
to
be
thinking
about?
A
E
E
So
I
mentioned
that
one
of
the
green
infrastructure
working
groups
or
one
of
the
subgroups
rather
is
the
coordination
and
maintenance
group,
and
that
group
has
been
tasked
with
coming
up
with
their
plan.
For
how
are
we
going
to
maintain
green
infrastructure
in
the
next?
You
know
three
years
and
then
how
would
we
like
to
maintain
it?
E
You
know
in
the
board
of
six
or
seven
year
range
and
then
how
would
we
like
to
do
it
long
term
and
the
reason
that
we
are
doing
this
kind
of
assessment
and
the
reason
that
we're
having
this
conversation
is
that
I've
I've
seen
it
done
in
in
a
bunch
of
different
ways
in
a
bunch
of
different
cities
and
I?
Don't
think
that
there's
any
one
correct
answer:
I
think
that
there's
what
is
the
best
answer
for
your
particular
city
or
town?
E
And
so
it
would
be
easy
for
me
to
say,
buy
the
vacuums
you
know,
let's
just
let's
just
you
know,
build
the
internal
capacity
and
do
it,
but
there's
there's
value
to
discussing
with
the
other
City
departments,
who
would
also
be
taking
on
some
of
this
maintenance
if
they
would
prefer
to
do
some
of
this
through
contracts,
maybe
with
local
co-ops
and
local
businesses,
or
if
they
would.
You
know
like
to
bring
on
additional
staff
because
just
buying
the
equipment
isn't
enough.
We
have
to
have
the
staff
to
run
it.
E
One
of
the
the
goals
is
to
put
operations
ftes
in
public
works
operations,
we've
committed
to
hiring
a
full-time
employee,
this
coming
budget
cycle,
and
the
goal
is
to
have
that
person
train
and
learn
how
to
use
regenerative
air
sweepers,
which
are
the
vacuum
sweepers
that
are
specifically
designed
for
maintenance
on
porous
Paving
as
well
as
how
to
do.
You
know,
structure,
cleaning
and
maintenance
and
other
things
on
some
of
our
more
green
vegetated
infrastructure.
E
Again,
not
getting
into
pipes
and
other
things,
because
that's
that's
something
that
I
think
that
we're
going
to
continue
to
leave
to
Boston
modern
story
they
specialize
in
in
pipes
and
drainage
infrastructure.
They
know
how
to
do
that,
but
you
know
making
sure
that
our
you
know.
Inlet
structures
are
clear
and
our
our
you
know
debris
is
being
removed
from
in
front
of
our
our
features
so
that
they
function
as
best
they
can
in
the
right-of-way.
So
I
guess
the
short
answer
is
yes.
E
E
So
that's
kind
of
my
short
I
guess
answer
for
the
maintenance,
piece
and
I
think
it's
just
important
and
I
know
that
I
kind
of
mentioned
this
in
passing.
We
are
because
we're
not
on
The
Cutting
Edge
here,
because
we
are
a
little
bit
behind
other
cities.
We
have
a
lot
of
examples
to
look
to
and
I
think
that
we
need
to
be
comfortable
with
looking
at
how
different
cities
and
towns
are
are
managing
their
green
infrastructure.
Programs
are
doing
their
maintenance
and
taking
cues
from
others
rather
than
Reinventing
the
wheel
here.
G
Yeah
when
we
built
Central
Square,
we
had
poorest
pavement
put
in
there
for
one
of
the
trials
and
we
found
it
advantageous
to
hire
a
company
to
do
it.
We've
got
all
kinds
of
data
on
how
much
debris
came
out.
We
know
how
much
it
cost
and
I
think
the
city
would
do
well,
Contracting
it
out
until
they
got
a
mass
such
that
it's
cost
effective
to
buy
your
own
equipment,
because
when
you
buy
your
own
equipment,
that's
all
specialty
equipment
and
you
need
someone
to
maintain
it
and
fix
it.
G
Etc
drive
it
and
all
that,
but
you
need
enough
of
it
to
keep
it
full-time
busy,
because
everything
we
do
is
cost
Effectiveness,
which
brings
me
to
the
permeable
pavement.
We
we
found.
We
had
a
problem
over
in
Sydney
Street
in
Dorchester,
where
someone
built
a
permeable
parking
lot
and
it
was
built
well
and
built
correctly
and
because
they
didn't
maintain
it.
Three
years
later,
it
was
running
off
water
onto
a
neighbor's
property,
and
we
were
called
in.
G
Although
water
running
from
one
property
to
another
is
an
ISD
problem,
the
word
water
was
in
it
and
it's
in
our
name.
So
over
we
went,
and
we
took
a
look
at
all
that
and
to
regenerate
that
particular
property.
You
have
to
dig
it
all
up
again,
so
we
did
in
fact
have
him
put
infiltration.
The
reason
is,
the
infiltration
is
almost
foolproof
and
I
say
almost.
You
need
something
to
get
the
heavy
debris
out,
but
it
works.
G
It
holds
a
whole
inch
of
water
unless
somebody
is
taking
care
of
this
permeable
pavement
and
somebody
is
enforcing
it
and
that's
where
we
fall
down.
Who
enforces
somebody
making
sure
the
previous
Pavement
in
someone's
backyard
in
their
driveway
is
done
every
year,
who's
going
to
call
them
up
and
say,
show
me
your
receipts
show
if
the
guy
says
I
took
my
wife's
Eureka
out
there,
because
it
doesn't
work
in
the
house
anymore
and
I
vacuumed
it.
What
does
that
tell
us?
G
A
Yeah
thanks
no
I
I
hear
that
I
just
think
that
we
have
to
be
moving
towards
permeable
stuff,
so
we
just
have
to
figure
out
how
to
we
have
to
solve.
For
that.
But
and
and
I
would
say,
I
mean
to
me.
The
super
obvious
place
to
start
is
on
the
article
80
side
and
I
was
cheered
Kate
to
see
that
in
your
list.
But
to
me
it
shouldn't,
you
know,
I
think
Castle
Larry's,
word
incentivized,
but
to
me
it's
just.
We
should
just
jump
straight
to
requirements
and
I
think
with
our
big
projects.
A
The
reality
is:
is
that
often
we're
dealing
with
much
larger
actors,
it's
easier
to
hold
them
accountable?
They
are,
you
know,
they're
large
landlords
who
might
have
a
bunch
of
property
around
the
city,
and
so
you
know
looking
there
it's,
it
might
be
harder
to
do
the
the
oversight
on
somebody's
back
backyard,
one
parking
spot,
but
if
someone
is
building
a
whole,
you
know
parking
lot
somewhere,
although
again
want
to
do
less
of
that
in
general.
But
a.
G
Fine
example
of
that
is
is
over
at
the
ERC
over
in
in
Austin.
They
far
exceeded
our
requirements.
They're
holding
over
two
inches
of
water
they've
got
the
green
infrastructure
above,
but
it's
all
to
their
benefit.
So
it's
easy
for
someone
like
that
where
it
benefits
you
to
have
a
beautiful
landscape,
a
beautiful
campus.
You
take
care
of
the
pollution
controls,
you
you're
doing
everything
and
you
got
the
money.
G
You
can
do
it
it's
when
people
are
trying
to
stick
all
this
together
and
the
last
thought
was
what
am
I
going
to
do
about
green
infrastructure.
What's
this
I
want
efficient
Heating
in
my
house,
I
want
six
inches
of
foam
insulation.
I
want
this
I
want
a
granite
counter
and
you're
making
me
do
what
so
that
that
is
one
of
the
problems
we
we
see
with
it
and
we
try
to
make
sure
that
whatever's
put
in
is
the
easiest
to
maintain
and
and
that's
what
we
try
to
do.
G
Right
at
harambe
Park
there
isn't
there
was
an
old
chamber
built
so
the
back
in
the
30s
they
could
flood
harambe
epoxy
could
ice
skate,
so
they
used
to
be
able
to
shut
a
gate,
and
if
you
take
a
look
right
at
Talbot,
Avenue
you'll
see
at
this
opening
where
the
water
used
to
come
down
it
rained
out,
and
we
flooded
out
the
pack.
Well
we're
rebuilding
the
chamber,
it's
falling
down.
So
we
took
this
advantage
to
get
some
science
in
there
and
say:
what
can
we
do
so
we're
going
to
collect
trash?
G
So
it
doesn't
wind
up
all
the
bottles
and
cans
that
wind
up
at
the
Nature
Center
we'll
be
capturing
most
of
them
there,
and
we
can
maintain
it
easy
because
everything
we
do.
We
build
some
maintenance
everything
so
we're
going
to
be
able
to
collect
rash,
treat
the
water
make
sure
it
works,
we're
also
putting
in
a
gate
now.
G
So
as
I
talk
about
parking
water
in
the
future,
if
it's
raining
real
hard,
we
have
the
potential
that
we
could
shut,
that
gate.
Harambe
Park
would
get
a
boatload
of
water
on
a
temporary
basis
in
the
future
2050,
but
we
want
to
build
all
these
things
in
now,
as
we're
doing
all
these
designs
and
when
we
get
through
there'll,
be
a
report,
and
we
will
make
sure
you
guys
get
a
copy
of
the
report
if
this
works.
If
we
have
places,
we
can't
build
enough
infiltration
of
that.
We
still
violating
water
quality.
A
The
muddy
water
initiative
yeah,
no,
obviously
we're
very
I-
mean
again
I
just,
and
it
is
part
of
the
reason
that
for
me,
we've
really
got
to
do
the
both
and,
like
you
know,
I
think
if
we're
doing
more
both
because,
if
we're
doing
more
of
the
groundwater,
you
know
straight
into
the
ground
grain
infrastructure
projects,
then
you
know
when
you're
doing
those
separation
and
replacement
projects.
You
wouldn't
need
as
wide
of
a
gauge
of
pipe.
A
If
we
were
getting
more
water,
you
know
elsewhere,
but
also
just
because
on
on
my
end,
I
do
worry
about
the
rivers
and
at
what
we're
sending
into
them
so
I
just
yeah.
It
really
feels
this
all
feels
to
me
like
it
has
to
be
an
integrated
thing
and
so
I
guess
the
the
one
other
thing
that
I
just
wanted
to
raise-
and
you
know
to
me
the
and
and
I
I-
have
great
I
have
great
respect
for
quasi-independent
institutions.
A
A
So
I
don't
think
we
can
have
a
parallel
track
world
where
everything
related
to
water
sort
of
from
a
money
perspective
is
doing
the
gray
infrastructure
over
here
at
bwsc,
and
the
city
just
needs
to
pick
up
figuring
out
other
sources
on
all
the
green,
the
green
and
stuff
I
think
it's
it's
an
interest.
It's
an
interlocked
thing.
So
I
just
want
to
kind
of
put
that
on
the
table
here.
Yeah.
A
G
Well,
the
four
point:
Channel
we
have
multiple
Channel
products,
but
the
probably
talking
about
our
our
proposal
for
a
storm
barrier
in
the
vicinity
of
the
Northern
Avenue
Bridge,
something
we
we
scoped
out
several
years
ago.
We
have
a
full
analysis
of
it.
It
will
be
released,
probably
by
February,
to
the
public.
G
If
we
were
to
build
a
storm
barrier
there
during
a
storm
event,
we
would
be
able
to
at
low
tide
empty
the
Basin.
We
could
take
that
10-year
storm
event
and
store
it
in
that
open
body.
Nobody
would
get
flooded.
We
could
store
we'd,
also
build
pumps
in
it,
storms,
bigger
than
that
we
could
pump.
If
you
could
think
of
the
mini
Charles
River
Dam
there's
an
opportunity.
There,
we've
developed
it
up
to
the
extremely
crude
preliminary
stages.
G
G
Is
the
one
in
Stamford
the
one
in
Providence
Rhode
Island,
which
they
have
a
barrier
like
that
only
use
during
storms
and
it
it
works,
and
if
we
could
get
the
Army
Corps
to
fund
75
of
it
and
operate
it
it'd
be
a
double
bonus
it
it
serves.
So
many
of
our
institutions-
Boston
Medical
Center,
wouldn't
get
flooded,
we'd
be
able
to
protect
the
Ted
Williams
Tunnel,
where
it
goes
on
the
Nissan
station
and
all
Amtrak
all
the
highways.
G
We
have
environmental
justice
areas
that
four-point
channel
takes
water
all
the
way
from
Nubian
Square
area.
It's
just
huge,
but
you
will
get
copies
of
that.
Also,
it's
it's
more
than
just
the
pipe
dream.
It's
we
got
to
think
broader
and
bigger.
We
were
always
looking
at
mini
pump
stations
and
many
of
this
and
many
that
nobody
wants
them
in
their
neighborhood.
And
if
you
live
to
any
of
them,
they
don't
work
the
day.
You
need
them
because
they're
sitting
there,
it's
like
that
emergency
generator
that
you
did
you
bought.
G
You
didn't
pay
attention.
It
doesn't
work
the
day.
You
need
it.
So
we're
we're
looking
at
using
the
natural
environment
and
a
lot
of
our
things
have
green
in
them.
We've
got
one
in
Dorchester.
We've
got
this
gigantic
green
infrastructure
at
Davenport,
Creek,
all
of
which
you'll
you'll
be
able
to
get
a
hold
of
in
the
spring
and
we'll
be
releasing
our
report
to
the
city,
to
the
Army
Corps
and
to
anybody
involved.
So
the
four-point
channel
is
Alive
and
Well.
We
love
the
idea.
I
would
love
to
see
the
four
point.
G
A
Great
thanks
so
much
I
have
one
more
question
and
then
I'm
going
to
go
to
counselor,
Louis
Jen
I,
just
wonder
Kate.
If
you
could
speak
a
little
bit.
The
one
piece
I
forgot
to
ask
about
on
the
maintenance
thing
is
I.
You
know,
I
think
the
idea
of
a
volunteer
program
and
having
our
folks
be
able
to
you
know,
raise
their
hand
and
say:
hey
I'd,
like
to
help
with
green
infrastructure
in
my
neighborhood
is
a
great
one,
but
I'm
also
very
cognizant.
E
E
If
something
is,
is
you
know
not
functioning
the
way
that
it
was
designed
or
needs
to
be
changed,
so
the
current
plan
for
the
maintenance
program
is
that
any
or
excuse
me,
the
volunteer
program,
is
that
any
site
that
is
in
the
volunteer
program
is
also
currently
under
the
maintenance
contracts.
So
the
maintenance
contractor
is
also
going
to
perform
periodic
site
visits
and
maintenance
checks
and
other
things
so
that
the
features
that
we're
designing
and
building
if,
for
some
reason,
the
volunteer
or
volunteers
are
not
able
to
perform
enough
maintenance.
E
E
Was
that
you
know,
even
if
those
features
were
not
getting
the
appropriate
amount
of
Maintenance,
that
they
needed
that,
at
the
very
least,
they'd
be
getting
those
seasonal
maintenance
visits
from
a
maintenance
contractor
or
maybe
in
the
future,
from
City
staff.
Members
to
you
know
to
do
just
the
the
essential
maintenance
activities
that
have
to
be
done
to
keep
the
features
functioning,
and
that
way
you
know
our
again.
E
You
know
at
a
fundamental
level
and
this
again
this
is
a
common
practice
that
other
cities
and
towns
have
implemented.
I
have
a
couple
of
good
friends
down
in
Philadelphia
who
I've
spoken
to
about
their
volunteer
program.
They
actually
provide
grants
to
their
volunteer
organizations
that
come
in
and
do
maintenance
and
that's
something
that
we
may
consider
in
the
Futures
just
kind
of
depending
on
how
the
the
initial
year
or
so
of
the
program
goes.
E
But
you
know
I
asked
them
some.
You
know
kind
of
pointed
questions
which
was:
did
you
see
people
actually
performing
the
maintenance?
Like?
Was
this
a
good
experience
for
you
and
the
feedback
that
I
received
from
them?
Was
it's
actually
been
really
successful
and
it's
it's
led
to
more
people
asking
for
more
great
infrastructure
and
then
I
asked
obviously
about?
E
Was
it
in
specific
neighborhoods
only
or
was
this
kind
of
a
city-wide
thing,
and
they
actually
mentioned
that
it
was
largely
in
neighborhoods
that
were
lacking
vegetation,
so
neighborhoods
that
were
environmental
justice
communities
or
had
been
previously
kind
of
clear-cut
and
heavily
paved
and
developed.
That's
where
they
were
seeing
the
most
requests
for
green
vegetated
infrastructure,
so
I
think
overall,
the
the
goal
here
is
to
you
know,
educate
the
public
about
what
is
green
infrastructure.
Why
is
it
important
and
let
them
kind
of
see?
E
This
is
what
a
healthy
feature
looks
like
and
the
benefits
of
it.
You
know
allow
people
to
get
involved
with
caring
for
those
features,
then,
hopefully,
we'll
see
a
nice
uptake
in
people
requesting
green
vegetated
infrastructure
with
co-benefits
instead
of
you
know
again
just
doing
another
kind
of
subsurface
infiltration
stuff
which
again
lots
of
value,
but
just
not
the
same
kind
of
co-benefits
that
we're
trying
to
get
from
this.
This
initiative
across
the
city.
A
Great
thanks
so
much
that's
great
to
understand
the
further
context
and
I
said
that
was
my
last
question.
But
I
have
a
really
quick
one
for
Christian,
because
I
feel,
like
I,
neglected
you
Christian
and
you're
so
important
to
my
district.
So
can
you
just
speak
to
why
sort
of
what
the
benefit
for
the
groundwater
trust
is
to
to
agree
to
green
and
storm
water
infrastructure
kind
of,
in
addition
to
the
gray.
F
F
F
It's
actually
proved
to
be
very
effective,
despite
the
fact
that
it
hasn't
been
maintained.
It's
held
up
really
well
I.
Think
again,
that's
a
perfect
spot
to
look
and
say
this
has
been
in
for
a
decade.
This
is
what
it's
done.
This
is
what
it
looks
like.
We
can
do
more
of
these
now.
We
know
how
to
put
them
in
and
so
the
more
that
we
can
get
it
in
the
alleys
and
in
the
sidewalks.
You
know
better
for
this
for
us
and,
ultimately,
the
groundwater
table.
A
I
Thank
you,
chair,
Bach
I
want
to
thank
everyone
for
being
here
and
apologize
for
being
for
being
a
bit
tardy
to
this
hearing,
but
want
to
thank
the
city
for
being
here
and
and
for
talking
us
through
these
issues.
I
know
that
as
a
city-wide
counselor,
this
is
an
issue
that
a
lot
of
our
neighborhoods
are
facing
across
the
city.
I
I
think
councilor,
Bach,
uplifted
forward
Point
Channel
and
the
four
point
neighborhood
association
has
really
been
really
at
the
helm
here,
trying
to
get
the
city
to
to
Really
deal
with
flooding
in
our
neighborhoods.
Just
this
past
weekend
we
saw
flooding
in
the
Fort
Point
area
and
I
think
it's
important
that
we
are
investing
in
our
green
storm
water
structure
and
also
shout
out
to
the
Fort
Point
Waterfront
Community,
Design,
Group,
I,
think
program.
I
I
think
that's
been
like
a
really
great
example,
led
by
Boston
Harbor,
now
bpda
four
point:
neighborhood
association,
Boston
Society
of
architect,
Architects
architecture.
That
really
shows
like
what
it
looks
like
for
a
community
to
come
together
with
the
city
in
Partnership
to
design
what
the
Waterfront
looks
like
and
to
take
into
account
and
take
into
account
the
stormwater
issues
that
we're
facing
I.
I
Think
I
I
heard
John
I
heard
you
mention,
which,
which
piqued
a
lot
of
people's
interest
when
you
first
mentioned
it
regarding
building
a
barrier
in
the
four-point
channel.
I
was
wondering
curious
if
there
are
other
other
places
in
the
city
where
we've
explored
building
barriers.
I
know
that
at
one
point
folks
were
discussing
at
the
mouth
of
the
Neponset
River.
So
are
there
other
areas
in
the
city
where
we've
looked
at
for
creating
sort
of
barriers.
G
Yeah
our
program
will
also
show
a
proposed
potential
barrier
at
Dorchester
bay,
where
the
Dorchester
Yacht
Club
is
right
along
Morrissey
Boulevard,
where
the
drawbridge
is
our
assumption
is
that
Morrissey
Boulevard
will
be
raised
someday
and
that
will
become
the
dam
if
you
will
and
we
could
use
the
same
body
of
water
at
low
tide,
there's
tons
of
room
there.
There
is
a
beach
there,
it's
being
taken
over
by
the
eelgrass
slowly,
but
there
is
a
beach
and
environmentally
it
would
work
for
us.
G
I
Can
you,
okay,
so
I
guess
the
first
question?
What
in
response
to
that
is,
there
was
a
million
dollar
study.
I
think
was
that
the
bpda
and
I
think
there's
another
city
entity
I'm,
not
sure
if
it
was
Boston
morning
sewer,
but
that
put
a
million
dollars
a
million
dollars
to
looking
at
Morrissey
Boulevard
redesign.
Is
that
part
of
what
you're
talking
about
no.
G
We
would
be
taking
advantage
of
that.
That's
that's
just
going
to
raise
the
roadway,
the
actual
protected
as
a
damn
wood,
but
you
still
have
the
drawbridge
the
water
still
can
come
under
there.
So
we
need
to
do
something
there.
We
would
propose
that
we
would
build
a
barrier
that
only
during
big
storm
events.
G
You
would
be
able
to
shut,
let
the
water
go
to
low
tide
shut
this,
and
you
have
this
big
gigantic
natural
Bowl
into
which
we
could
put
low-lying
water
for
the
local
neighborhoods.
So
and
it's
all
written
out,
you'll
see
it
all,
but
it
it
works.
But
what's
clear
is
on
four
point
Channel,
and
this
is
something
a
misconception
people
have.
The
city
is
proposing
raising
a
berm
along
four-point
channel
that
is
needed.
G
The
reason
is,
our
proposal
would
only
occur
during
big
storm
surges,
but
twice
a
day
the
Tide's
going
to
be
high
higher
than
it
is
today,
and
if
you
don't
have
that
berm
that
the
city
is
proposing
the
normal
high
tides
are
going
to
flood
their
neighborhood.
So
both
things
need
to
occur
and
and
we're
trying
to
make
that
very
straightforward
to
people.
The
city's
idea
is
good.
We're
collaborating
with
them
we're
watching
everything
they're
doing
and
what
we're
trying
to
do
is
build
things
collectively.
G
Oh,
we
have
something
like
14
outfalls
into
the
four-point
channel.
If
we
can
just
take
care
of
it
with
one
facility
rather
than
14
pump
stations,
not
only
will
cost
less
than
Capital
costs,
the
maintenance
costs
go
way
down
and
that's
what
we're
all
about
is
future
maintenance
because
everybody
loves
to
build
things.
Nobody
wants
to
fund
the
maintenance
of
them
yeah
and
that's
just
that's
a
natural
can.
I
You
just
address
some
of
the
potential
like
challenges
that,
like
that,
creating
the
barrier
and
four
point
channel
would
create
like
I
know
that
there
are
folks
who
are
you
know
expressing
some
concern
regarding,
like
you
know,
a
potential
effect
on
a
local
community.
So
if
you
could
just
address
some
of
those
I
think
that
would
be
helpful.
Yeah.
G
Our
proposal
first
big
challenge
is
navigable
Waterway,
so
we
have
to
have
an
act
of
Congress
to
build
it,
which
is
why,
if
the
Army
Corps
built
it
that's
easy
because
they
always
talk
to
Congress,
that's
where
they
get
their
funding.
So
that's
a
big
barrier.
Environmentally,
it's
no
big
deal
because
every
day
the
tide
comes
in
the
tide
goes
up.
We
would
simply
let
the
low
tide
stay
longer
and
the
high
tide
so
environmentally
wouldn't
be
a
problem.
We're
already
already
taking
a
lot
of
combined
sewage
out
of
the
area.
G
There's
been
a
concern
that
you'd
be
holding
all
those
combined
sewage.
Well,
we
do
that
at
high
tide,
steady
anyway,
but
we
we
are
separating
South
Boston.
We
are
separating
the
third
phase
of
the
Nubian
Square
separation,
we're
up
on
Blue
Hill
Avenue,
now
doing
massive
separation
up
there,
so
that
the
water
quality
is
much
better,
but
other
environmental
concerns
are
every
time
you
touch
water,
you
get
the
Conservation
Commission
and
all
things
that
go
with
it.
G
Where
do
we
put
it
right
now?
The
barrier
is
set
up
that
we
would
hook
up
one
end
of
it
to
the
federal
judges
and
the
other
end
to
the
Coast
Guard
building
two
Federal
properties,
perhaps
not
a
good
idea,
but
if
it
was
at
Northern
Avenue,
we
got
the
city
on
one
side
in
the
city
on
the
other
side,
so
perhaps
a
more
friendly
group,
but
there
are
a
host
of
challenges.
Well,
we're
putting
this
out.
G
There
is
to
everyone
to
look
at
it
criticize
it
tell
us
what
could
be
done
better
show
us
how
to
do
it
and
as
a
city
we're
moving
forward.
This
isn't
just
the
water
and
sewer
protecting
it.
We
run
the
pipes
we
take.
What
rainfall
has
given
to
us
and
now
we're
trying
to
find
ways
of
if
too
much
rainfall
is
given
to
us
and
our
pipes
can't
take
it.
Where
can
we
all
collectively
store
it
until
the
storm
goes
away,
and
hopefully
not
in
your
basement?
So
this
is
where
we're
basically
at
thank.
I
Draw
oh
okay,
okay,
well,
I'm,
just
and
I'm.
Sorry!
If
someone
asked
this
question
regarding
the
attended
design,
workshops,
I
believe
in
January
they'll
be
putting
out
plans
for
Community
feedback
about
that
design.
Work
about
the
design,
Workshop
I
was
wondering
to
what
extent
the
Boston,
Water
and
Sewer
Commission
has
been
involved
and
participated
in
that
in
the
design
process.
We.
G
We're
felt
really
informed
we're
in
the
advisory
committee
for
Boston
Harbor.
Now,
okay,
we
attend
every
one
of
their
meetings.
There
were
two
sessions
on
Saturdays
and
none
of
us
could
get
to
so
we
weren't
at
the
charrettes.
If
you
will
yeah,
but
every
single
thing
they
do
they
share
with
us
and
we
give
them
feedback
constantly
great.
I
And
then
the
last
question
I
have
is:
is
you
had
mentioned
that
there's
potentially
other
parts
of
the
city
and
of
course
there
are
other
places
that
experience
flooding
like
East,
Boston
I,
know
cancer
Coletta's
here
and
to
discuss
like
what
it
looks
like
to
really
build
a
resilient
Waterfront.
Are
there?
Are
there
other
areas
in
this
city
that
you
think
could
could
be
places
that
we
have
are
able
to
build
barriers?
G
G
We
would
put
a
gigantic
tank
underneath
Christopher
Columbus
Park
and
we
would
captured
all
the
storm
water
and
hold
it.
So
these
are
all
the
preliminary
designs.
You'll
see,
there's
one
of
each
type.
There
is
in
the
world
all
around
and
again
we're
putting
it
out
there.
We
know
that
groups
like
the
Boston
side,
civil
engineers,
the
engineering
groups,
will
look
at
it.
Boston
Harbor.
Now
we'll
look
at
it
again.
Everything
we
propose
is
in
somebody
else's
back.
Yet
this
is
somebody
else's
property.
G
I
B
Thank
you,
chair,
Mr,
Sullivan,
I
there,
something
that
you
just
said,
which
you
have
mentioned
a
couple
of
times
during
your
testimony,
is
about
doing
things
in
other
people's
backyards,
because
the
Boston
water
and
sewer
company
doesn't
own
any
land.
If
you
did,
let's
say
that
there
was
land
that
you
owned.
What
would
be
the
purpose
of
like
everything
that
you're
installing
is
in
someone
else's
backyard,
and
so
would
it
be
beneficial
on
how
to
have
land
that
you
owned
in
the
city?
G
Well,
we
don't
we
the
land,
we
did.
We
used
owned
over
by
UMass
the
old
pump
station
that
was
given
up
to
UMass
for
use
by
them.
We
don't
own
land
for
the
sake
of
owning
land
and
I
suspect.
Now,
if
we
own
land
that
we
might
be
making
affordable
housing
built
on
it
more
than
anything
else,
so
we
don't
own
land,
we're
all
underground.
More.
G
Well,
the
idea
is
the
stormwater.
We
don't
see
it
being
used
all
the
time
these
storms
we're
looking
at
the
really
big
big
bad
storms.
We
haven't
identified
any
particular
land
that
we
would
like
to
own.
We
are
trying
to
put
this
out
there,
so
people
before
bpda
or
someone
else
says:
hey
here's
a
great
idea
of
something
to
do
here.
If
we
need
it
for
a
pump
station,
then
we
certainly
want
that
to
be
under
consideration
when
these
things
come
to
the
different
planning
agencies.
G
B
B
It
is
absolutely
necessary
that
we
have
great
storm
water
infrastructure,
particularly
because
of
the
job
that
you
have,
which
is
to
make
sure
that
the
water
that
we're
sending
back
into
the
river
is
free
and
clear
of
pollutants,
and
so
at
least
for
now
it
is
very
obvious
that
we
can.
We
can't
go
one
way
or
the
other,
because
we
need
the
gray
storm
water
infrastructure
to
some
extent,
and
so
I
think
that
this
question
is
for
director
England
and
for
you
Mr
Sullivan.
B
What
is
how
do
we
strike
that
balance
right
because,
ultimately,
at
what
percentage
are,
what
is
the
perfect
percentage
capacity
for
our
pipes
right?
Are
we
looking
at
saying
this
is
how
much
they
can
get
filled?
Ideally,
this
is
how
we
would
like
it.
This
is
how
they
would
be
high
functioning
and
then
what
level
of
green
storm
water
infrastructure
do?
We
need
to
install
in
the
city
to
make
sure
that
the
you
know
your
the
pipes
are
not
over
capacity
and
that
we're
not
putting
it
I
know.
B
G
It
depends
on
the
criteria.
The
green
infrastructure
is,
if
it's
set,
that
we
want
to
capture
up
to
an
inch
of
water
when
it
normally
rains,
because,
again,
that's
80
percent
of
our
storms
when
it
rains
out
five
inches,
we're
all
good
for
the
first
hour
yeah
when
they
fill
up
now
we
have
four
inches
of
water
to
get
rid
of
that's
where
the
grades
jumping
in.
G
We
think
that's
the
most
cost
effective
way
for
us
to
achieve
our
requirements
under
our
consent.
Decree
now
talk
about
the
city
goals,
so
the
city
goals
has
to
be
what
we
need
and
what
the
city
needs.
The
city
has
a
heat
island
issue,
so
there's
a
balance,
so
we
want
to
work
with
the
city
to
figure
out
how
we
can
get
all
this
put
in
the
ground,
what
they
can
do
for
pollution
control
where
they
can
connect
to
us.
How
can
we
clean
out
the
basins
that
will
take
the
sand
and
debris?
G
E
Times
during
you
know
during
the
hearing,
but
there
are
a
lot
of
cities
and
towns
around
the
country
that
have
really
functional
green
infrastructure
programs
that
are
run
by
their
Public,
Utilities
and
I.
I.
Think
it's
worth
noting
that
you
know.
We've
heard
a
couple
of
times
throughout
the
hearing
that
you
know,
Boston
modern
sewer
is
doing
they're,
essentially
doing
green
infrastructure
for
very
different
reasons.
They've
taken
different
approaches
where
they've
separated
their
system,
whereas
other
you
know
municipalities,
are,
are
installing
green
infrastructure
and
I.
E
Just
I
think
it's
really
important
that
we
acknowledge
that
these
cities
and
towns
across
the
country
that
have
functional
systems
that
do
both
gray
and
green.
They
have
full
collaboration
and
buy-in
from
both
the
Boston,
Water
and
Sewer
equivalent
and
from
the
city
and
all
new
infrastructure
projects
that
are
being
done
at
you
know,
from
Philadelphia,
from
New
York
and
from
others
have
green
components
as
a
primary
piece
of
their
infrastructure
design.
E
So
it's
not
something
that
is
being
slipped
in
when
it's
convenient.
It's
it's
a
fundamental
tool,
piece
of
infrastructure
that
is
being
used
when
systems
are
being
separated,
for
example,
because
water
storm
water,
specifically
that
is
no
longer
in
a
combined
pipe
and
is
no
longer
going
to
a
storm
water
or
to
a
wastewater
treatment
plant
during
a
small
storm
and
now
is
going
directly
to
a
water
body.
E
E
I
think
that
that
we,
that
we
don't
dance
around
the
fact
that
using
green
infrastructure
as
an
integrated
part
of
our
storm
water
management
system,
not
just
as
a
nice
thing
that
you
know
we
can
put
in
occasionally
in
Parks
or
whatever,
but
as
like
a
real
part
of
how
we
design
our
new
infrastructure
moving
forward
in
the
city
of
Boston,
it's
going
to
have
I
mean
wonderful
benefits
for
water
quality.
It's
going
to
allow
us
to
reduce
cost
for
sewer
and
storm
separation.
E
You
also
have
opinions
about
this,
but
I
think
that
it's
important
that
the
relationship
between
Boston,
Water
and
Sewer
and
the
City
of
Boston
be
more
similar
to
the
relationships
between
public
utility
commissions
and
cities
in
other
cities
and
towns
and
I.
Think
that
there's
there's
work
to
be
done
there,
but
I
think
that
I'm
definitely
willing
to
do
it
and
I
know
that
others
have
expressed
a
desire
for
this.
E
B
One
last
short
comment
before
we
move
on
and
less
of
a
question
is
that
I
think
what
we're?
What
we're
trying
to
do
here
is
revert
back
to
the
way
that
nature
has
already
always
functioned
right.
We
built
cities
and
neighborhoods
and
houses
and
have
prevented
the
natural
kind
of
like
hydrology
function
from
happening,
and
now
we
are
trying
to
build
the
infrastructure
that
will
help
us
revert
back
and
allow
the
water
to
move
freely
to
irrigate.
B
We
are
trying
to
be
the
best
stewards
to
the
land
that
we
possibly
can
and
I
I
wanted
to
mention
that,
because
I
think
that,
in
the
vein
of
changing
the
relationship
between
the
Boston,
water
and
sewer
company
and
the
city,
and
in
the
vein
of
really
trying
to
integrate
this
work,
we
need
to
start
looking
at
storm
water
as
the
resource
that
it
is
instead
of
a
threat
which
I
know
that
it
can
be.
But
it's
also
a
resource.
B
B
Think
that
if
we
approach
this
conversation,
looking
at
storm
water
as
the
resource
and
looking
at
greenstone
Water
infrastructure
as
the
tool
that
we
need
to
capitalize
on
this
resource
that
we
naturally
have
will
get
closer
to
being
better
stewards
of
the
land
of
the
water
and
really
I.
Think
that
that's
going
to
to
be
key.
If
we're
talking
about
environmental
justice
in
the
city
of
Boston,
and
so
my
hope
is
that
we
can
maneuver
the
conversation
in
that
direction
and
I
think
it'll
help
us
get
to
where
we're
trying
to
go.
So.
H
I,
just
I
think
immediately
I'll
just
say
that
I
appreciate
I,
appreciate
the
Kate's
Candor
and
calling
out
the
fact
that
there
needs
to
be
better
collaboration
between
Boston,
Water
and
Sewer,
and
the
City
of
Boston
to
to
do
this
work
I
agree
that
green
infrastructure
must
be
integrated
in
the
design
for
any
new
infrastructure
projects,
and
you
know,
speaking
of
the
opportunities
that
we
have
in
front
of
us.
We
talked
about
the
eagle
Hill
project.
That's
that's
going
to
be
coming
up.
I
did
meet
with
the
pic
to
discuss
the
design.
H
I
had
no
idea
that
there
you
were
also
going
to
be
a
part
of
this
right.
It
was
going
to
be
a
major
project,
so
I
would
love
to
meet
with
you
to
discuss
this
and
reevaluate
if
we
are
actually
integrating
green
infrastructure
working
with
Kate
to
see
if
it's
actually
going
to
do
what
we
wanted
to
do
for
the
community,
there
was
clearly
a
commitment
for
collaboration
on
Cade's
end
I'm,
wondering
if
there's
a
commitment
from
Boston,
Water
and
Sewer.
G
Well,
I'm
a
little
disappointed
that
Kate
Mayfield
we're
not
collaborating.
We
that's
all
we
want
to
do.
We
have
been
working
with
public
works
for
the
last
10
years.
We
have
we've
urged
the
city
that
that
the
water
rolling
off
their
streets
is
bad.
How
can
we
help
you?
Where
can
we
hook
up?
We
promise
to
do
all
the
cleaning
of
the
catch
basins.
G
I,
don't
know
where
else
this
collaboration
has
fallen
apart.
So
it's
always
been
our
feeling.
I'm
certainly
going
to
be
discussing
this
with
Kate.
One
of
the
key
things
is
the
infrastructure
we
work.
They
really
do
Street
work
right
after
us.
It
takes
a
couple
years,
for
instance
we're
on
Blue
Hill
Avenue.
We
know
there's
going
to
be
changes,
there's
going
to
be
bike,
Lanes
there's
going
to
be
neck
Downs,
it's
going
to
be.
G
We
couldn't
possibly
put
in
green
infrastructure
today
when
we're
doing
the
work,
because
the
city's
going
to
come
in
behind
us
and
change
the
street
line,
change
the
curb
lines,
change
everything.
So
it
doesn't
work
that
closely
when
we
do
our
work.
It
usually
takes
several
years
before
the
city
comes
in
and
does
the
street
Furniture?
G
If
you
will
that's
when
we
need
to
do
the
green
infrastructure
now,
if
we
can
plan
this
stuff
out
so
perfectly
that
we
do
both
at
the
same
time
than
we
should,
but
I
don't
see
that
happening
very
often,
you
sometimes
see
it
in
very
large
mass
start
jobs,
but
they
take
five
years
to
do
it
so
I
just
throw
that
out
we're
not
against
Green
infrastructure
at
all
I.
We
we
encourage
it.
We
we.
We
hope
that
the
streets
and
all
the
ownership
is
done.
H
Well
and
I
think
there
was
a
distinction
there,
I,
don't
think
anybody
was
saying
that
you're
against
it
I
just
the
question
was:
will
there
be
better
collaboration
moving
forward,
but
it
sounds
like
there's
a
mismatch
in
workflow
right
on
the
city.
We
could
obviously
be
doing
better
right,
but
I
would
love
to
see
a
better
collaboration
and
Echo
Kate's
comments.
I
I
think
there
are
opportunities
now
for
that,
like
deep
collaboration
to
happen
and
for
it
to
to
be
in
sync.
Hopefully,
I
had
public
works
out
in
the
neighborhood
recently
and
it
you
know
it's
going
to
take
two
to
three
weeks
to
like
redesign
the
street,
for
example,
but
I
there's
a
role
for
Boston
Warriors,
who
are
to
come
and
put
in
pipelines
that
I've
never
been
that
they're
just
been
in
in
two
outages
that
have
just
never
been
put
in
on
the
street.
There's
plan
Mattapan
happening
around
umbilical
Avenue
I.
I
Think
that's
an
opportunity
to
collaborate.
What
I
mentioned
earlier
about
you
know
making
sure
that
Boston,
Water
and
Sewer
is
at
the
table
for
these
four
point
conversations
so
I
I'm,
I'm
hopeful
that
there
are
these
opportunities
and
to
to
really
be
deep
integration
with
how
the
city
is
thinking
about.
I
You
know
how
this
because
everything
has
to
be
planned
in
advance
because
it
takes
so
long
to
get
the
money
to
get
the
project
managers
to
really
to
get
the
community
buy-in
which,
which
needs
to
happen
as
well,
so
I
think
I'm
gonna.
Let
I'm
a
lot
more
hopeful
that,
with
all
the
planning
that
it
takes
it
takes
five
years.
Well,
then,
there's
no
reason
for
us
not
to
be
doing
a
better
job
at
collaboration,
given
the
timeline
that
that
it
takes
for
some
of
these
major
projects
to
happen
so.
G
Right
and
we
in
like,
for
instance,
Mattapan-
we
in
fact
did
collaborate.
We
we
disagreed
with
the
green
infrastructure
they
were
putting
in,
they
were
putting
in
planter
boxes,
not
what
we
thought
would
be
the
right
thing
to
take
the
street
flow.
So
we
we
go
back
and
forth.
He
said
plan
our
boxes
planter
boxes,
they
you
put
some
soil
above
ground
and
you
plant
a
tree
in
it.
G
So
we
were
looking
at
a
different
way
of
doing
it,
but
collaboration
doesn't
have
to
be
absolute
agreement
on
everything
and
singing
Kumbaya
that
that's
not
just
clap
of
cooperation
means
you
talk,
you
discuss
you,
you
figure
out
what
is
best
for
the
city.
They
have
their
reasons,
they
do
the
snow
plow
and
we
don't
so
if
they
have
the
reason
they
have
the
traffic
safety,
we
don't
so
if
they
have
greater
reasons,
we
collaborate
see
what
we
can
do
and
they
own
the
street.
I
And
again,
I
I
wasn't
I
I,
there's
I
understand.
There
should
always
be
opportunities
to
like
compromise
and
to
have
discussions,
but
I'm
just
saying
that,
like
the
one
should
know
what
the
other
is
doing
and
one
should
know
what
the
other
is
doing
and
try
to
do
it
in
a
way
that
is
about
increasing,
you
know
the
benefit
to
our
residents
and
to
make
sure
that
we're
planning
for
the
future
with
green
infrastructure.
G
A
A
Think
I.
Think
some
of
some
of
the
dynamic
here
right
is
that
it's
it's
true
at
some
level
that
the
Water
and
Sewer
Commission
has.
You
know
it
has
a
phosphorus
problem
and
it
has
a
pipe
capacity
problem
and
and
that
you
know
it,
and
that
PWD
has
a
you
know
that
PWD
has
a
like
heat
island
problem
and
that
the
groundwater
trust
has
a
groundwater
problem
right.
A
But,
from
my
perspective,
you
might
as
well
in
the
sense
that
they
are
part
of
our
Collective
problem
to
solve
together
and
that's
and
that's
really
what
I
was
getting
at
earlier
with
the
resource
point
I
mean
I,
think
that
it's
obvious
that
we
want
to
do
all
these
things.
I
think
that
the
concern
is
that
you
know
the
the
my
my
hesitancy
is
that
the
create
giant
catch
basins,
approach
of
sort
of
Fort,
Point
and
Dorchester
and
stuff,
that's
sort
of
like
it's
a
very
big
version
of
gray
infrastructure.
A
A
A
It
can't
like
to
the
rate
payers,
taxpayers
distinction
like
again,
if
we're
talking
about
storm
water
fees,
if
we're
talking
about
you
know
these
permits
from
the
EPA
for
our
big
actors
like
money,
that's
about
the
water
system
is
going
to
need
to
go
into
supporting
this
public
works.
Like
related
stuff
as
well
and
so
I
guess,
that's
the
to
me.
That's
the
only
place
where
this
becomes
a
conflict
right
is
about
is
about
resource
distribution,
to
councilor
Lara's
point,
but
I
do
think
that
we
just
have
to
kind
of.
G
A
There
was
that
flood
recently
on
the
Boston
common
corner
that
you
guys
it
was
very
scary,
but
you
took
care
of
it
very
quickly
and
so
I
think
I
love
the
idea
of
kind
of
marrying
the
city
Department's
Focus
newly
on
water,
with
your
guys's
long-term
experience
of
dealing
with
water
and
how
we
kind
of
all
pull
those
threads
together.
It's
it's
exciting
to
me
all
right,
I
think
we
have
a
couple
of
members
of
the
public.
Oh
I'd,.
J
Sure
I
was
good.
My
name
is
Henry
Vitale
and
I'm.
The
executive
director
of
the
Boston
warrants
Sioux
commission
I've,
been
there
for
31
years,
I'm
a
certified
public
accountant,
I
like
to
acknowledge
my
director
of
communications,
Dolores
Randolph,
my
director
of
compute
I.T
Peter
hunt
and
my
manager
of
community
relations
Eileen
snedeka,
so
we
obviously
were
very
excited
about
participating
in
this
hearing.
We're
obviously
well
represented
by
John
Sullivan,
who
we
feel
was
one
of
the
best
engineers
in
the
country.
I
will
be
remiss
if
I
don't
speak
up
on
this
matter.
J
Kate
does
wonderful
work,
but
I
don't
agree
with
what
you're
saying
about
the
communication
that
Boston
wanted
to
commission
works
with
the
city,
we're
a
team.
We
support
mayor's
Woo's
initiatives.
We're
fortunate
to
have
maywe
was
our
mayor
and
she
has
come
up
with
some
tremendous
ideas.
She
has
a
wonderful
platform
and
we
support
that
100
percent,
but
where
we
support
all
the
city
departments,
we
work
very
closely
with
with
every
single
City
Department.
J
So
we
look
together
we're
a
team
with
the
city
of
Boston,
so
we're
not
isolated,
but
let
me
just
clarify
the
and
you
refer
to
the
BHA
and
I
would
like
to
clarify
the
boss,
Warren
Sewer
Commission.
The
Boston
warrant
tour
commission
over
40
years
ago
was
part
of
Public
Works,
the
Boston
City
Boston
Public
Works.
J
We
were
broken
up
per
enabling
act.
We
were
created
in
1977
and
where
autonomous
was
separate
and
distinct
from
from
the
city
of
Boston.
However,
that
doesn't
mean
we
don't
work
with
the
city
bus,
we're
a
team.
We
follow
what
the
mayor's
initiatives,
particularly
this
mayor,
who's,
done
such
a
wonderful
job
after
one
year
and
we
have
our
own
enabling
act
and
95
percent
of
our
Revenue
comes
from
water
and
sewer
rates.
J
We
don't
receive
any
money
from
the
city
of
Boston
other
than
the
water
and
sewer
that
they
use,
and
then
we
pay
the
city
of
Boston
for
permits
and
Paving.
So
no
money
from
the
city
of
Boston.
We
take
advantage
of
the
the
mwire
loan
programs.
If
there's
any
money
at
the
state
level,
we
try
to
take
advantage
of
that.
But
there's
been
no
money,
that's
been
allocated
for
many
years
for
the
Boston
warrants,
Sewer
Commission
from
the
Commonwealth
to
mass,
so
we're
self-sustaining
were
AAA
rated
credit
and
a
major
part
of
the
credit.
J
The
major
part
of
that
credit
is
that
we're
autonomous
from
the
city
that
if
we
have
to
raise
Water
and
Sewer
rates,
we
can
do
so
because
we're
autonomous
that's
critical
with
the
rating
agencies
and
because
we're
AAA
rated
credit
with
the
rating
agencies.
A
Debt
Service
is
very,
very
low.
Our
interest
expense.
It's
like
a
mortgage.
J
We
have
the
lowest
interest
expense
and
not
out
of
all
the
utilities
in
the
country
and
and
again
we're
very
different
than
Philadelphia
Philadelphia
again
they
have
a
different
approach,
as
John
Sullivan
said,
but
we're
very
different
city
of
Philadelphia
Seattle
they're,
all
part
of
the
city's
public
works
department.
So
it's
a
different.
It's
legally,
it's
totally
different.
Again.
We
have
our
own
enabling
act
that
has
created
the
bus,
one
two
commission,
but
we're
all
part
of
the
city
of
Boston.
J
We
obviously
deal
with
Tiffany
Chu
when
Mike,
Firestone
and
various
other
individuals
who,
but
just
so
supportive
of
of
the
boss,
Warren
to
a
commission,
and
we
try
to
always
reciprocate
in
the
same
fashion
but
understand
where,
even
though
we're
separate
and
distinct-
and
we
are
totally
different
than
Philadelphia,
totally
different
than
New
York
and
Seattle
we're
still
a
team
player.
We
still,
we
still
work
with
the
city
of
Boston,
the
city
of
Boston
and
its
residents
are
our
priority.
J
So
I
want
to
clear
that
up
when
there's
the
lack
of
communication
I,
don't
believe
that
again,
I've
been
there
for
31
years
sure
we
there's
issues,
but
we
we
overcome
those
issues.
We
always
strive
to
do
better
and
and
that's
what
we
do
and
communication
is
so
important.
I
mean
we.
We
work
with
the
city
all
the
time
and
when
we
have
a
project
I'm
from
east
Boston,
I'm
from
east
Boston,
that's
where
I
grew
up.
I
live
in
Jamaica
Plain
I've
been
living
in
the
city
of
Boston
for
61
years.
J
East
Boston
is
a
is
a
great
place
and
we
always
try
to
do
whatever
we
can
in
these
spots
and
any
projects
that
take
place
in
East
Boston,
we're
talking
to
Public
Works,
we're
talking
to
Parks
and
Rec
this
constant
dialogue
we
share.
We
share
software
and
information,
it's
all
about
the
data,
analyzing
the
data
and
executing,
and
that's
what
we
do
sure.
It's
not
perfect
with
there's
been
mistakes,
but
our
goal
is
always
to
work
together
as
a
team
and
and
again
we
do
this
in
every
neighborhood.
J
If
we
have
projects
going
on
in
the
neighborhood,
we
show
up
anything
that
impacts
the
water
and
sewer
infrastructure.
We're
there
we're
there
at
meetings
when
it
doesn't
affect
the
water
and
sewer
infrastructure,
and
let
me
also
say
that
you
saw
what
happened
in
Lowell
yesterday:
right,
barcelon,
sewer,
critical
to
the
city
of
Boston.
We
service
over
1.2
million
people
in
the
city
of
Boston
on
a
daily
basis.
Over
700
000
people
live
in
the
city,
taking
the
consideration
the
people
that
work
visit,
so
all
the
schools,
all
the
hospitals,
we're
a
public
health
agency.
J
It's
all
about
public
health
and
the
develop
use
this
as
an
example,
the
development
of
the
seaport
and
I
think
we've
talked
about
this
Council
block.
There
was
no
way
that
any
of
that
that
construction
would
have
been
developed
over
at
the
seaport
if
we
didn't
have
a
clean
boss
from
water
and
sewer
I
beat
a
Boston
Harbor.
J
So
we
work
closely
with
the
mwra
and
if
we
did
not
have
a
clean,
Boston
Harbor,
where
we
spent
all
this
money,
they
were
no
development
would
have
been
made
over
there
and
we
factor
in
that
for
every
dollar
that
we
spend
on
the
city
of
Boston's,
water
and
Sue
infrastructure.
We
get
back
three
dollars,
whether
it's
Investments
or
whether
it's
taxes
and
just
to
give
you
a
small
example
and
I'm
going
to
end
here,
because
I
I
know
it's
getting
late.
J
We
have
a
an
activity
report
that
we
issue
to
our
board
on
a
quarterly
basis.
It
identifies
all
our
activities
and
we
Benchmark
it
with
other
Water
and
Sewer
utilities.
We
Benchmark
with
industry
standards,
one
of
the
industry
standards
that
we
we
compare
is
that
for
12,
31
2022
right
up
until
right.
Now,
until
the
end
of
the
year,
we've
had
30
water
main
breaks,
a
system,
the
size
of
the
boss,
who
won
Sewer
Commission,
which
is
a
thousand
water
water
pipes
and
1500
sewer
and
drain
pipes.
J
We
should
have
250
water
main
breaks
that
didn't
happen
by
accident.
That's
all
the
investment
and
all
the
hard
work.
All
the
dedication
of
of
the
500
employees
at
the
Boston
one
two
commission
and
the
administrations
in
the
city
of
Boston
everybody
working
together
to
make
sure
that
we
have
a
strong,
Water
and
Sewer
infrastructure.
J
And
again
we,
the
boss,
wants
to
a
commission
is
there
to
support
the
city
of
Boston
and
even
though
we're
separate
and
distinct
legally,
we
consider
ourselves
a
team
player
with
the
city,
we're
part
of
the
city.
We
work
with
the
city
and
we're
always
available
for
the
city
of
Boston,
because
we
all
live
in
this
wonderful
City.
So
I
just
wanted
to
clarify
that
and
if,
if
there's
any
questions,
I'm
I'm
willing
to
answer
any
questions
that
you
may
have.
A
A
It's
you
know,
I'm
very
proud,
I,
always
I
always
set
I
wave
off
anyone
who's
trying
to
drink
anything
besides
tap
water
when
they're
with
me
in
the
city,
because
we've
got
very
high
quality,
stuff
and
yeah
and
I
just
I
think
we
all
know
you
guys.
Are
you
guys
do
critical
infrastructure
work
on
behalf
of
the
city
and
you
know
I
think
fake,
nothing
about
figuring
out.
You
know
how
do
we
best
tackle
these?
You
know,
frankly,
these
changes
in
projections
and
these
new
realities
that
we're
all
facing
together.
A
J
I
mean
look
at
tap
water
tap,
water
cost
is
of
two
cents
a
gallon
and
it's
regulated
by
the
EPA,
which
is
testing
for
120
contaminants,
water
that
you
buy
in
the
store.
It's
it's
five
times
that
and
it's
regulated
by
the
FDA,
and
it's
only
testing
about
30
contaminants.
It's
a
big
difference
in
the
quality
of
water.
J
So
again
you
don't
know
about
the
bus
Warren
school
commission
until
like
we
have
water
main
break
or,
if
there's
a
sewer,
backup
or
there's
something
significant,
but
we
play
a
major
role
in
the
life
of
everybody
in
the
city
of
Boston
and
certainly
Fire
Protection,
so
important,
always
checking
out
the
fire
hydrants
working
with
the
fire
department.
That's
another
collaboration
that
we
have
on
a
regular
basis.
So
again,
thank
you
for
this
time.
I'm.
A
We're
delighted,
thank
you.
So
much
all
right,
I
think
we're
I'm
going
to
go
to
public
testimony
and
if
eggs
are
so
I've
got,
I've
got
Clifton
right.
There
is
great
in
person
and
then
we'll
go
to
Steve
Hollinger
on
the
zoom.
So
and
if
you
do,
if
you're
I
don't
think
anybody
else
is
here
who
might
be
wanting
to
testify?
But
if
you
are
just
sign
up
on
the
corner
and
we'll
add
you
to
the
list
good.
K
G
K
K
How
can
we
assure
that
we
can
put
a
budget
aside
just
for
the
maintenance,
because
the
system
itself
for
the
last
three
years
of
first
being
put
in
has
worked
tremendously
good,
but
the
ownership
and
the
people
that
work
in
that
area
and
walk
in
that
area
have
complained
about
the
extra
drainage.
So
how
can
we
find
a
problem
in
the
solution
to
help
you
guys
because
you're
doing
an
excellent
job,
but
maintenance
is
a
main
part
of
that
system.
K
That's
all
I
wanted
to
speak
about
the
Practical
work
that
I
see
in
the
community.
That's
not
happening
I'm,
not
blaming
anybody,
but
how
do
we
get
everybody
on
the
same
page,
so
the
businesses
down
there
can
get
the
clarity,
because,
basically
it
was
about
sand
and
dust
filtering
the
filters
and
causing
some
type
of
problems.
K
I
know
a
little
bit
more,
but
I
don't
speak
to
technically
about
it,
but
I
just
want
to
know
how
can
we
help
you
as
residents
of
the
community,
and
how
can
we
help
the
system
and
the
city
to
make
sure
that
the
residents
and
the
business
owners
in
the
Nubian
square
area
and
other
surrounding
areas
don't
deal
with
the
extra
water?
Thank
you.
A
Great,
thank
you
so
much
Clifton
I'm
going
to
go
to
the
other
public
testifier
and
then,
if
any
of
our
panelists
did
have
a
comment
on
Nubian
great.
If
not,
we
will
we'll
follow
up
with
a
with
an
answer
for
Mr
Braithwaite
about
that
as
the
committee.
So
let's
bring
up
Stephen
Stephen
Hollinger
from
the
Fort
Point
resident
still
here.
H
L
See
I'm
sorry
I
had
just
switched
to
be
a
panelist
sorry
about
that.
First
of
all,
I
want
to
thank
the
council
for
today's
discussions.
Excellent
and
I
also
want
to
thank
the
panelists.
I
have
great
regard
for
chief
Sullivan's
work
and
also
I
want
to
thank
director
England,
who
I
feel
is
really
leading
on
so
many
issues.
L
So,
first
of
all,
very
positive
about
this
panel
and
generally
what's
going
on,
but
I
do
want
to
bring
up
three
areas
where
I
have
been
raising
concerns
for
at
least
five
years,
and
these
haven't
been
addressed
and
I.
Look
at
cities
worldwide,
I!
Don't
look
at
cities
in
the
U.S,
because
I
feel
the
leading
cities
are
really
in
other
countries.
L
I,
don't
see
the
U.S
leading
among
world
cities
in
terms
of
how
cities
are
managing
storm
water
or
or
these
issues
so
number
one
I'd
like
to
know
what,
where
District
level
planning
is
for
storm
water,
where
the
city
is
broken
up
into
individual
districts
and
then
knowable
volumes
of
storm
water
that
are
recognized
by
Boston,
Water
and
Sewer.
We
know
we
can
calculate
the
volumes
of
storm
water
and
then
the
solutions
identified
for
those
individual
districts.
L
L
So
I
would
like
to
know
where
District
level
planning
has
been
at
grade
and
this
I
think
should
have
fallen
to
bpda,
not
just
Boston,
Water
and
Sewer
also
increasing
base
level
requirements
for
the
capture
of
storm
water
from
large
project
development
in
the
city.
The
developers
are
still
capturing,
I
think
one
and
a
quarter
inches
or
something
like
that.
L
Lastly,
funding
I've
been
asking
for
at
least
five
years
where
value
capture
mechanism
is
for
funding
of
mitigation
projects
from
development
in
in
flood
zones
to
help
pay
for
some
of
these
larger
solutions
that
are
going
to
be
needed,
rather
than
looking
at
everything
on
a
project
by
project
basis
and
trying
to
elevate
individual
projects.
Lastly,
I
feel
personally
that
Boston
would
benefit
from
some
independent
oversight.
L
I
generally
feel
the
environment's
a
little
too
comfortable
and
cozy,
where
bpda
is
collaborating
at
with
advocacy
organizations
and
developers
are
collaborating
with
organizations
and
everyone's
really
happy
with
each
other.
But
what
I
I
generally
like
more
friction
and
I'd
like
to
see
more
arms
length
oversight
of
what's
going
on,
what's
being
proposed,
I
think
that's
what
you're
hearing
from
me
today
and
I'm,
not
an
expert
by
the
way
so
I'll
take
any
kind
of
criticism
or
concern
thanks
very
much
for
your
time
and
again,
I
appreciate
all
the
work
by
everyone
here.
Thank
you.
A
G
Well,
for
it
we
don't
go
District
by
District,
we
go
by
Watershed,
nature
decides
where
the
water
is
going
to
go.
So
we
in
the
Boston
looks
at
the
entire
city.
There
are
individuals
that
have
portions
of
the
drainage,
massport
has
a
bunch
that
they
deal
with
because
it's
their
property
and
they
own
it,
and-
and
they
do
but
overall,
our
studies
will
be
out
in
the
spring
and
we're
furthering.
We
continually
update
our
studies,
Etc
and
it's
all
public
information
and
truthfully
Steve
I
forgot.
G
G
E
Yeah
for
for
newbie,
and
starting
with
the
first
set
of
comments
and
I'll
jump
to
the
second
one
for
Nubian.
If
there
is
some,
if
there
are
issues
with
any
of
the
public
green
infrastructure,
that
John
was
mentioning
those
two
new
maintenance
contracts
that
I
mentioned
that
are
part
of
the
city's
first
green
infrastructure
policy
can
be
deployed
to
do
maintenance
in
that
location.
E
John
is
right,
though,
currently
we're
not
equipped
to
be
able
to
do
maintenance
on
private
property
or
private
land,
so
it
would.
It
would
very
much
be
focused
on
the
anything
that
was
in
the
public
right-of-way
or
that
was
on
public
land,
but
happy
to
to
do
whatever
I
can
to
help
help
in
that
location,
with
maintenance
using
those
contracts
and
then
responding
to
Steve's
comments.
E
E
Point
I
think
that
one
of
the
things
I'd
like
to
talk
about
sometime
in
the
future
is
doing
similar
studies
for
the
remaining
sub
watersheds
in
the
city
of
Boston
and
then
acting
on
some
of
the
sites
or
projects
that
were
called
out
by
these
studies
and
that's
something
that
will
obviously
be
talking
to
Boston,
Water
and
Sewer
about
in
the
future
and
in
terms
of
funding
and
a
variety
of
other
things.
That's
also
something
else
that
we're
working
on
from
the
city,
but
also
Boston,
Water
and
Sewer,
is
working
on
this
as
well.
E
E
You
know,
Watershed
that
has
been
identified
as
as
needing
a
whole
lot
of
work,
and
so
the
regional
Water
and
Sewer
utility
up
there
has
Grant
funds
and
other
things
that
are
available
for
all
types
of
property
owners
within
that
Watershed.
To
do
green
infrastructure
and
a
variety
of
other
water
quality
improvement
projects,
so
I
know
that
there's
lots
of
different
things
that
we
can
look
to
both
domestically
but
also
I
agree
internationally.
People
are
doing
really
interesting
work
around
storm
water
management,
around
green
infrastructure,
and
that's
something
that
you
know.
E
I
I,
I,
think
there's
a
lot
of
value
in
learning
from
what
other
people
are
doing
and
doing
well,
and
so.
I
I
think
that
that
has
definitely
factored
into
some
of
my
recommendations
and
some
of
my
plans
looking
to
other
domestic
and
international
peer
utilities
and
peer
cities.
But
I
know
that.
That's
that's
something
that
we
will
continue
to
work
with:
Boston
Water
and
Sewer
and
others
on
in
the
future.
So
I
I
think
I
might
have
missed
one
of
your
topics.
A
Great
thanks
so
much
thank
you
to
both
of
you
and
and
to
you,
Christian
and
chairman
Vitale,
and
the
whole
Boston
Water
and
Sewer
team
for
joining
Nayeli
Rodriguez,
who
was
with
us
earlier
we're
just
we're
really
grateful
for
all
of
your
work
and
everybody's
testimony,
and
if
my
colleagues
are
oh
okay,
then
this
hearing
of
the
this
joint
hearing
of
the
in
environment,
resiliency,
no,
you
say
it.
You.