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Docket #0863 - Hearing to discuss pest control and illegal dumping in the City of Boston
A
Good
morning,
everybody,
this
is
boston
city,
council,
council,
ed
flynn,
from
district
2..
uh
Thanks
for
attending
this
hearing
on
the
chair
of
the
committee
on
city
and
neighborhood
services,
in
accordance
with
governor
baker's
march
12,
2020
executive
order
modifying
certain
requirements
of
the
open
meeting
law
in
relieving
public
bodies
of
certain
requirements,
including
the
requirements
that
the
public
bodies
conduct
its
meeting
in
a
public
place
that
is
open
and
physically
accessible
to
the
public.
The
city
council
will
be
conducting
this
hearing.
A
Virtually
this
enables
the
city
council
to
carry
out
its
responsibilities
while
adhering
to
public
health
recommendations
and
ensuring
public
access
in
its
deliberations
through
adequate
alternative
means.
The
public
hearing
is
being
recorded
in
live
streamed
on
www.boston.gov,
slash
city
council
tv.
It
will
also
be
rebroadcast
at
a
later
date
on
xfinity
8,
rcn
82
in
fios
964..
A
A
um
See
I'm
going
to
hold
off
on
my
opening
remarks.
um
I'm
going
to
ask
council
braden
to
open
it
up
with
her
opening
remarks,
but
before
I
do
that,
I
just
want
to
thank
the
pianist
for
being
here
greatly
appreciate
your
time,
but
also,
more
importantly,
for
the
great
work
that
you're
doing
throughout
all
of
the
neighborhoods
of
boston,
especially
especially
during
this
difficult
time.
um
The
invited
panelists
include
brian
coughlin
who's,
the
superintendent
of
waste
reduction
from
the
department
of
public
works.
I
believe
he'll
be
giving
an
open
remarks.
A
B
Thank
you,
councillor
flynn,
um
and
thank
you
for
all
the
the
folks
from
uh
all
the
city
departments
that
are
here
this
morning.
It's
really
um
this
issue
keeps
it's
a
perennial
issue
and
it
just
keeps
get
as
a
gift
that
keeps
giving
so
um
the
biggest
concerns
out
in
olson
brighton
are
really
with
regard
to
rodent
control,
and
um
I
know
I
I
took
um
a
walk
out
with
um
pat
mcdonough
last
week
and
we
did
a
little
rap
safari
as
we
call
it,
and
uh
you
know
we.
B
We
do
see
um
the
challenges
of
of
in
trying
to
address
this
issue,
and
we
just
wanted
to
check
in.
I
mean
me
personally
just
want
to
check
in
with
the
departments
today
and
get
an
update
on
where
we're
at.
um
Are
we
able
to
use
dry
eyes
to
the
extent
that
we
would
like
to
and
also
see
what
we're
doing
with
regard
to
a
public
information
campaign?
B
A
C
So
for
us,
it's
really
just
you
know.
Is
this
a
seasonal
thing?
I'm
I'm
hoping,
because
we
didn't
really
have
this
issue
before
this
is
something
that
is
going
to
be
overcome
and
what
resources
I
know
again.
I
know
counselor
braden
brought
up
dry
ice.
We
brought
up
you
know
when
I
think
uh
buddy
was
was
the
head
of
isd.
C
You
know
a
lot
of
folks
are
even
saying:
maybe
we
should
be
pushing
and
enforcing
the
barrel
the
barrel.
You
know
obligations
a
little
bit
more
for
private
properties.
You
know
people
just
putting
their
trash
bags
out
there.
Obviously
any
pests
can
get
through
that.
So
if
we
brought
more
barrels
back,
if
we
made
sure
that
we
were
really
folk,
you
know
having
people
do
all
their
parts
and
then,
on
top
of
that,
making
sure
that
those
who
are
developing
do
extra
parts.
A
Thank
you,
council,
edwards,
and
thank
you
council
braden.
I
didn't
give
an
opening
statement,
but
I'll
just
be
very
brief.
I
just
want
to
echo
what
my
colleagues
council
edwards
in
braden
mentioned.
um
You
know
the
importance
of
quality
of
life
for
our
residents,
especially
our
seniors
and
persons
with
disabilities.
A
We
in
families
we
want
to
make
sure
our
city
is
clean
and
healthy.
We
also
want
to
make
sure
that
people
are
educated
on
the
proper
way
to
take
their
trash
out
and
as
council
of
braden
mentioned.
Public
awareness.
Public
education
is
certainly
a
major
part
of
that
in
including
in
my
district,
where
I
have
many
residents
that
speak
a
language
other
than
english.
A
um
I
wish
I
had
the
vehicles
and
the
license
plates
of
of
the
people
that
are
dumping.
It
um
I'd
like
to
increase
the
fines,
but
they
want
to
dump
their
trash
in
west
rocks
where
one
of
these
other
neighborhoods
or
beacon
hill,
but
you,
but
you
can
come
into
chinatown
and
dump
it
there
as
as
if
these
residents
um
are
insignificant.
A
So
you
know
I'm
I'm
really
concerned
about
the
illegal
dumping
of
trash
in
in
that
neighborhood,
and
I
know
I
know
the
city
of
boston
is
as
well.
I
know
you're
equally
concerned
about
it.
So
thank
you.
um
Having
said
that,
let
me
open
it
up
to
um
brian
or
or
the
two
johns.
However,
you
guys
want
to.
D
Sure,
thank
you.
Counselor
um
brian
coughlin
city
of
boston,
public
works,
uh
superintendent
of
waste
reduction.
um
So
keep
the
opening
brief.
So
we
can
get
some
questions
and
all
three
of
the
councils
have
made
some
great
points
about
certain
issues
in
the
city
that
we
can
address.
um
I
just
want
to
um
congratulate
john
blackmore,
our
new
director
of
code
enforcement,
the
city
of
boston,
uh
he's
on
doing
great
with
our
team,
um
so
counselor
to
the
last
point
that
you
made
about
the
illegal
dumping
in
chinatown.
um
You
know
we
can
cite.
D
D
um
What
we're
seeing
is
a
lot
of
single
bags
or
a
few
bags
here
and
there
um
with
no
evidence-
and
you
know
I
want
to
bring
attention
to
the
fact
that
um
you
know
we
need
to
think
about
why
people
are
doing
that.
um
You
know
it's
not
just
to
make
a
mess
in
chinatown
or
west
roxbury
eibach.
We
can
help
um
you
know
the
cost
of
disposal,
for
the
material
um
far
exceeds
the
cost
for
trash
that
we
pick
up
at
the
curb
um
construction
material
demolition
material.
D
You
know
asphalt,
brick
concrete,
that
material
can
be
somewhat
up
to
three
times
the
amount
that
we
pay
for
trash.
So
when
we're
looking
at
small
companies
that
are
going
around-
and
um
you
know
especially
during
covert-
you
know-
um
you
know
it
makes
sense
why
it
is
illegal
dumping.
You
know
it's
not
to
justify
it,
but
it's
it's
to
certainly
look
at
a
bigger
issue
of
the
costs
because
of
the
lack
of
capacity
in
the
state-
and
you
know
the
um
you
know
it's
more
towards
pricing
and
capacity
than
I
would
say.
D
Behavior
and
just
you
know
want
to
trash
our
city
as
much
as
we'd
all
like
to
find
those
people
and
make
sure
that
they're
cited
properly.
I
think
we
need
to
address
at
some
point
down
the
line,
a
better
way
to
address
the
capacity
issues
in
the
state
for
that
material.
So
people
don't
have
to
pay
those
those
high
costs
and
um
you
know-
and
we
can
probably
work
with
the
state
to
try
to
help
do
that
for
the
residents.
But
that's
my
thought
on
on
that
last
piece.
D
E
E
um
We
also
uh
run
a
cycle
in
this
program
which
um
it
uh
establishes
property
management
standards
around
dumpsters
uh
bulk
refuse
um
and
our
fines
for
violations,
for
that
is
a
thousand
dollars
um
which
is
issued
by
code
enforcement.
So
code
enforcement
works
very
closely
with
us,
um
the
uh
I
think
it
was
councillor.
Braden
mentioned
education.
E
um
Education
really
is
our
best
tool
uh
to
combat
road
and
activity,
and-
um
and
we
have
a
bunch
of
educational
stuff-
that
we
we
uh
literature,
that
we
drop
on
on
stairs
at
homes
and
neighborhoods
across
the
city,
um
and
we
have
those
in
six
different
languages
um
and
um
they
all
have
scan
codes
on
them.
So
they
can
scan
their
phone
and
it
will
bring
them
directly
to
our
city
of
boston
website
website,
with
more
information
about
rotor
control,.
E
The
there
was
a,
I
think:
council
edwards
mentioned
construction,
so
how
we
deal
with
construction
is
a
commit
uh
community
sanitation
um
requirement.
So
when
there
is
a
a
long
form,
a
short
form,
demo,
um
soil,
um
soil
bits
or
soil
borings,
we
require
pest
control,
um
an
inspection
and
pest
control
on
site.
um
We
have
been
asking
um
construction
sites
to
keep
the
pest
control
throughout
the
project.
E
E
The
um
we
have
to
buy
a
label
in
wobin
and
we
have
to
go
to
rocklin
um
to
pick
up
the
ice,
which
is,
I
think,
it's
about
60
miles
in
rush
hour
traffic
to
get
back
to
the
city.
So
it's
difficult.
We
are
looking
at
ways
to
use
dry
ice
and
also
other
products.
We're
using
a
product
called
the
giant
destroyer
which
is
more
of
uh
yeah.
You,
you
light
it
and
it's
um
a
carbon
monoxide
that
you
stick
into
like
a
smoke
bomb.
You
stick
into
the
burrows
that
works
similarly
to
dry
ice.
E
A
F
Thank
you
concert.
I
appreciate
that
I'm
just
gonna
echo
exactly
what
brian
said
um
when
it
comes
to
the
illegal
dumping
license
plates
makes
the
models
of
the
truck
it's
paramount,
that
we
get
that
information
because
that's
pretty
much
kazan.
We
don't
have
that,
especially
when
it
comes
to
a
lot
of
the
uh
construction
debris,
that's
being
dumped
around
the
city.
Nobody
wants
to
see
it
we'd
love
to
get
it
under
control,
but
it's
paramount
that
we
get
that
information.
A
B
Thank
you,
um
mr
chair.
um
I'm
just
wondering
with
regard
to
the
whole
dry
ice
issue.
I
understand
it's
really
difficult
and
I
understand
the
logistics
of
getting
it
from
rockland
up
to
boston
in
a
timely
fashion,
but
is
there
any?
Is
there
any
way
we
could
acquire
it
more
locally?
Why
is
that
the
only
supplier
we
have
in
in
the
greater
boston
area.
G
E
Councillor
brandon
so
the
requirement
when
they
they
originally
when
boston
started
to
use
it
um
leo
bulger
had
started
the
program,
um
it
wasn't
regulated
as
a
pesticide,
and
so
we
could
go
right
to
an
ice
company
and
and
buy
dry
ice
um
and
um
we
were
told
to
stop
uh
by
the
epa
and
and
then
um
they
came
out
with
a
system
with
a
label
and
to
use
it
as
a
pesticide.
Even
though
the
chemical
makeup
is
not
any
different
than
what
we
were
using
from.
E
You
know
like
a
brookline
ice,
um
and
so
you
have
to
purchase
the
label,
and
then
you
have
to
the
contract
is
with
one
provider
in
rocklin.
So
if
we
could
get
a
provider,
a
waiver
or
something
like
that
to
to
use
um
uh
a
dry
ice
supplier
in
the
city,
um
that
would
that
would
change
it,
but
unfortunately
um
the
the
last
two
times
we
have
tried
to
go
to
rocklin
for
dry
ice.
They
have
been
out
of
dry
ice.
B
Okay
um
and
then
the
other
question
that
we
come
across
very
often,
and
it
sort
of
relates
more
to
illegal
dumping
and
the
challenges
of
just
a
homeowner
who
has
to
replace
their
toilet.
um
Is
there
any
legal
way
for
them
to
dispose
of
their
toilet?
um
It's
it's
a
it's
a
perennial
problem
and
we
get
a
couple
of
calls
a
year
about
how
how
to
dispose
of
your
your
bathroom
um
equipment.
That
is
broken.
B
D
Sure,
thank
you
counselor.
um
So
I've
had
some
discussions
with
free
energy
in
roxbury,
which
is
the
local
construction
demolition
facility.
um
It's
mainly
contractors
going
in
there.
You
know
it's,
obviously
a
industrial
site
they're
not
too
keen
on
residents
walking
in
or
coming
in
with
their
trucks
on
the
scale
house
and
stuff
like
that,
um
but
we
could
certainly
expand
on
those
conversations
to
try
to
figure
something
out
for
the
resident.
That
has
a
couple
of
things.
You
know
what
I
mean.
D
um
I
typically
recommend
someone
call
a
commercial
hollow
that
handles
construction,
demolition
debris
that
they
can
actually
remove
it
and
take
it
with
them,
and
um
the
resident
doesn't
have
to
do
any
of
the
lifting
and
stuff
like
that.
um
Unfortunately,
it
is
part
of
a
waistband
from
that
mastep
for
the
regular
trash.
So
that's
why
we
don't
see
any
um
you're,
not
taking
it
with
the
regular
curbside
material.
So
there's
a
lot
of
things
that
um
you
know.
D
Throughout
the
years
there
was
a
day
where
we
used
to
take
all
the
construction
and
just
take
everything
and
um
the
city's
disposal
costs
were
through
the
roof,
they're
still
high,
but
there's
far
less
trash
being
disposed
of
um
down
the
road
a
few
years,
there'll
be
more
materials
that
the
state's
going
to
want
us
to
pull
out
and
uh
process
separately.
So
you
know
we're
doing
a
good
job
at
reducing
what
we're
doing
now.
D
B
Yeah,
so
it's
something
like
um
like
the
hazardous
waste
is
that
we'd
have
maybe
two
or
three
days
a
year
where
you
could
bring
your
your
disposable,
your
just
your
porcelain
from
your
bathroom,
that's
broken
or
whatever
you
could
down
this
there's,
definitely
some
creative
ways
we
should.
We
should
be
looking
at
that.
D
Yeah,
it's
it's
not
that
the
resident
can't
throw
it
away,
and
it's
not
that
there's
no
opportunities,
but
again
it
couldn't
sound
to
that.
You
know
the
same
reason
why
there's
illegal
toppings,
because
the
access
is
limited
and
does
not
you
know
it's
expensive
um
yeah,
you
know
it's,
it's
not
cheap
to
to
throw
away
a
pickup
truck
full
of
material,
or
even
you
know,
even
to
take
a
toilet
or
something
that's
probably
a
minimum
fee
that
they
charge
at
the
facilities
as
well
as
pedestrian
traffic
and
residential
traffic.
B
B
E
So
we
require
them
to
um
to
have
pest
control
on
site
before
um
it's
usually
about
two
weeks
before
the
um
there's,
a
shovel
in
the
ground
or
the
the
project
is
um
demoed,
but
it's
really
regulated
by
um
roading
activity.
So
um
until
there
is
no
rodent
activity,
they
shouldn't
start
demo
or
or
stock
construction.
E
Until
there
is
no
sign,
so
they
would
have
to
um
put
pest
control
on
site.
They
they're
able
to
monitor
the
um
rodent
activity
by
the
consumption
of
bait
in
the
boxes
and
then
based
on
that
um
they
would.
They
would
start
the
project
um
so
when
they
they
get
the
community
sanitation
sign
off.
That
goes
to
one
of
our
inspectors,
and
then
they
go
out
and
inspect
the
property
for
road
and
activity.
B
E
Normally
there
isn't
uh
traps
in
those
boxes,
it's
um
it's
bait,
and
so
the
pest
control
company
would
provide
us
with
pest
control
reports
that's
required
when
they
get
the
initial
permit,
sign
off
of
community
sanitation,
and
then
our
inspectors
would
go
out
and
check
for
road
and
activity.
The
regular
signs
borrows
on
the
property
droppings
stuff,
like
that.
B
A
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
Council
braden
and
my
line
of
questioning
john
was
similar
to
council
council
braden,
with
with
the
amount
of
development
I
have
ongoing
in
south
boston
and
other
areas
and
in
chinatown
on
the
south
end.
um
You
know
developers
tell
me
that
they
are
baiting
and
they're
on
top
of
this
issue,
but
I
don't
see
it
um
so.
A
E
Is
that
the
the
property
is
rodent,
free
um
and
that
pest
control?
uh
What
we
require
now
is
is
pest
control
throughout
the
project
before
the
project
starts
during
construction
um
and
if
there's
israeli
activity
on
the
property
after
the
completion
of
the
project,
um
then
they're
required
to
have
pest
control,
and
so
our
inspectors
would
go
back.
E
um
You
know
we,
we
do
site
visits
if
we're
driving
down
the
street
and
we
see
a
construction
site
without
visible
boxes,
we'll
get
out
and
check
the
uh
their
log
books
or
um
ask
them
to
provide
a
pest
control
report
um
and
then
um
we
bait
uh
sauce.
So
if
there's
a
lot
of
construction
in
the
area,
we
uh
we
set
out
a
grid
and
uh
and
do
an
aggressive
sorbiting
program
to
to
make
sure
that
that
isn't
contributing.
A
Thank
you.
Thank
you,
john.
I
I
know
I
know
you
in
in
the
inspectors.
Take
this
issue
very
seriously.
I
I
just
don't
think
the
um
contractors
or
the
developers
take
this
issue
seriously,
and
you
know
I.
I
know
the
city
city
of
boston
inspectors
are
out
there
every
day
and
night
working
on
this,
but
my
my
issue
is
with
the
with
the
construction
phase,
the
developers
and
the
contractors
when,
when
we
have
major
pest
control
issues,
the
first
person
they
call
is
the
district
city
council.
A
So
we
we
can't
we
as
a
district
city
council.
These
are
the
most
important
issues
that
that
we
focus
on.
um
So
it's
important
for
us
to
make
sure
that
you
know
we
hold
these
developers
and
contractors
and
everybody
else
accountable,
because
it's
it's
the
quality
of
life
of
residents,
it's
it's!
It's!
Our
parents
live
there
and
our
our
seniors
live
there
and
persons
with
disabilities
and
young
families.
A
E
E
They
usually
nest
about
150
feet
from
a
food
source
and
the
biggest
food
sources
in
the
city
that
we
see
is
trash
is
the
number
the
number
one,
um
people,
feeding,
birds
or
bird
feeders,
sometimes
cause
rodent
activity,
um
and
then
the
other
one
is
not
cleaning
up
after
their
pets
um
that
it
that
can
be
a
food
source
for
rodents.
So
um
so
we
we
go
out
and
uh
use
education
use.
um
You
know
which
we
have.
uh
The
ownership
tool
in
311
is
really
the
best
way.
E
A
D
A
B
D
Know
we've
tried
to
have
people
put
it
out
in
the
mornings
and
then
we
have
you
know
this
is
a
certain.
um
You
know
difference
between
people's
work
schedules,
so
we
ran
into
a
lot
of
issues
with
trying
to
accommodate
everybody.
um
Some
people
are
sleeping
at
six
a.m
through
the
afternoon
and
they
work
nights.
So
it's
yeah
it
was.
It
was
a
difficult
task
to
manage.
We
could
certainly
work
on
ways
to
improve
on
that,
but
it's
you
know
to
get
one
message
across
to
the
city:
citywide
make
it
simple
it
was
6
am.
B
D
B
A
A
D
Well,
thank
you.
Counselor,
yes,
east
brookline
street
had
a
pilot
program
a
little,
maybe
over
a
year
ago,
almost
two
years.
um
I
believe
it
started
off
with
about
25
to
30
collapsible
barrels
distributed
on
the
block,
and
we
were
monitoring
um
two
two
different
styles
of
barrels:
two
different
brands
to
see
what
worked
as
weeks
went
by
not
too
long
into
the
program.
There
were
less
and
less
barrels
being
put
out
on
a
weekly
basis,
um
which
was
a
something
that
I
kind
of
saw
coming.
um
You
know
these
bagged.
D
The
bags
get
ripped
still
there's
this
liquids
and
it
rains,
and
you
know
those
those
pop-up
bins,
have
to
go
back
in
the
house.
You
know,
then
you
can't
keep
the
barrel
outside.
So
again
you
gotta
fold
it
up
and
bring
it
in
the
house.
So
now
they're
sitting
in
the
the
front
foyers
of
the
corridors
in
the
in
the
apartments.
um
I
can
only
imagine
what
that
would
have
smelled
like
um
so
needless
to
say,
there's
very
little
or
none
being
used
at
this
moment
on
tuesdays
and
fridays
over
there.
A
Okay,
thank
you
brian,
thank
you,
john,
and
thank
you
john.
um
I'm
gonna
go
to
the
next
panel.
I
know
you
guys
have
to
leave
at
11,
but
if
you
guys
can
hang
on
till
11
in
the
panel
might
have
questions
or
if
you
want
to
comment
on
some
of
their
issues,
but
if
you
guys
can
hang
on
for
a
little
bit,
I
just
want
to
get
to
the
panel
and
they
might.
They
might
have
some
questions
for
you.
So
I
want
to.
I
want
to
try
to
engage
you
guys
on
that.
A
A
A
A
I
I
I
want
to
thank
councillors,
flynn,
edwards
and
braden
for
sponsoring
this
hearing
and
continuing
the
conversation
on
what
is
an
extremely
important
quality
of
life
issue.
I
also
want
to
thank
the
city
for
their
ongoing
attention
to
this
issue
in
regards
to
pest
control
and
sanitation
issues,
inspections,
public
awareness
campaigns
and
public
outreach.
I
I
Given
human
nature,
residents
tend
not
to
take
ownership
of
the
need
to
maintain
these
spaces
defaulting
the
responsibility
to
the
city.
The
most
volatile
situation
is
when
you
have
valleys
and
passageways
that
have
no
parking
in
dumpsters
and
only
serve
as
a
backup
access
to
the
rear
of
the
buildings.
I
I
I
We
recently
had
a
situation
in
allston
where
the
proponent
was
seeking
permitting,
and
zoning
relief
to
convert
a
single
family
to
a
four
family
and
an
inspection
by
me.
On
the
day
of
the
zba
hearing,
I
discovered
a
site
where
trees
and
shrubs
had
engulfed
the
site.
A
poorly
maintained
and
unsecured
dumpster
was
on
the
site.
Construction,
materials
and
food
cups
and
wrappers
were
strewn
everywhere
in
the
backyard
and
the
back
windows
had
been
removed,
exposing
the
house
to
infestation
these
conditions,
I
know,
contributed
to
their
zba
denial.
I
I
I
again
thank
the
sponsors
in
this
committee
for
pursuing
creative
solutions
with
the
city
and
elevating
this
issue
in
the
public
forum.
We
must
do
better
and
can
do
better
with
leadership
that
discourages
residents
to
take
matters
in
their
own
hands
and
disperse
poison
and
traps
in
an
irresponsible
manner,
endangering
people
and
other
forms
of
life.
I
A
J
I
am
with
you,
I
am
here
with
uh
with
um
weinman,
so
um
thank
you.
uh
Thank
you.
Council
flynn,
councillor
edwards
councillor
braden
for
putting
this
together.
uh
Those
of
you
who
know
me-
and
you
know
that
I
am
uh
over
at
the
asian
american
civic
association,
also
known
as
aaca,
and
that
I
have
been
chairing
on
and
off
over
the
years,
a
cleanup
chinatown
committee.
J
I
probably
have
a
reputation
in
the
city
uh
for
for
being
uh
kind
of
pushy,
but
uh
like
tony
listening
to
what
tony
has
just
recited
there,
I
think
he
understands
of
the
issues
uh
at
hand
for
people
who
live
in
congested
areas,
uh
but
in
our
case,
in
addition
to
what
tony
is
going
through.
In
our
case,
the
majority
of
the
people
that
uh
that
we
I
represent
in
terms
of
this
cleanup
chinatown
effort
are
people
who
are
mostly
immigrants.
J
I
haven't
really
worked
with
them,
uh
but
we
are
very
eager
to
continue
to
look
at
some
of
the
some
of
those
solutions,
but
you
know
in
the
end,
after
so
many
years
of
struggling
with
working
with
us
with
our
own
community
and
with
the
city,
we
realize
that
we
must.
uh
We
must
go
beyond
the
the
the
you
know,
the
the
decision
to
educate
and
to
do
outreach.
We
must
be
a
little
bit
high.
I
think,
a
little
bit
hard.
We
must
start
to
increase
the
fines.
J
We
must
even
add
more
fines
uh
and
until
people
start
to
feel
the
impact
on
their
pocketbooks,
we're
not
going
to
see
the
changes
that
we
need.
For
example,
we
need
to
clarify
the
the
fact
that
illegal
dumping
is
is
not
just
bad,
but
it
should
cost
much
more
money
and
the
illegal
dumping
isn't
necessarily
coming
in
from
uh
people
who
are
who
are
doing
construction
and
bringing
their
bringing
their
stuff
into
chinatown
or
or
brighton
austin
or
beacon
hill,
et
cetera,
et
cetera.
J
J
Our
own
landlords
do
not
really
take
care
of
their
own,
their
own
tenants,
uh
and
they
won't
even
provide
them
with
with
trash
bags
that
are
that,
are
you
know,
triple
or
or
whatever
triple
ply
uh
to
protect,
uh
protect
them
from
rodents.
So
I
really
think
we
need
to
push
hard
on
on
finding
the
landlords
and
the
property
on
the
property
owners
here
in
chinatown
it,
the
the
the
poor
tenants
here,
don't
necessarily
understand.
J
So
those
things
sit
out
there
and
the
rats
go
after
them
and
the
seagulls
are,
as
you
all
know,
those
of
us
who
live
in
the
city
of
boston.
You
all
know
that
the
seagulls
are
just
as
just
as
troublesome
to
us.
So
more
and
more
barrels
would
be
important
and
I
think
we
need
to
have
a
have
inspectional
services
look
more
closely
at
those
who
claim
that
they
can't
they
can't
buy
barrels
for
their
own
tenants.
I
really
would
like
to
look
much
more
closely
at
that
at
that
you
know
excuse.
J
It
is
many
times
an
excuse.
uh
Last
during
the
whole
pandemic.
We
have
not
met
uh
as
a
committee.
uh
I
have
therefore
not
had
the
opportunity
and
the
pleasure
of
working
with
uh
brian
and
john
and
john.
uh
I
hope
they
would
find
that
it's
pleasant
to
work
with
me
too,
but
it's
been,
it's
been
a
while
you
know
with
the
pandemic.
Things
have
really
slowed
down.
uh
There
are
trouble
spots
in
chinatown
uh
and
all
the
opportunities
to
do
a
cleanup
chinatown
day.
J
uh
They
think
we
should
be
grateful
to
you
know
to
those
volunteers,
but
in
the
end,
uh
it's
not
that's,
that's
not
the
solution.
The
solution
is
about
finding
finding
the
people
finding
their
own,
finding
the
land
owners,
the
property
owners,
uh
finding
them
uh
and
business
owners
actually
finding
them
for
for
for
abuse
of
the
of
the
trash
collection
uh
system.
It's
really
bad.
um
The
other
thing
I
wanted
to
talk
about
is,
I
agree
with
uh
council
black
uh
braden.
uh
I
I
still
understand.
J
Why
uh
not
use,
though,
why
we
can't
use
dry
ice
more
uh
that
we
don't
want
to
drive
over
to
pick
the
dry
house
up
dry
out
us
up.
Why
can't
we
work
out
where
they
deliver
the
dry
ice
to
boston?
uh
I
I
don't
get
it
I
mean,
I
don't
understand
it,
so
maybe
somebody
couldn't
explain
it
to
me
uh
and
I
heard
uh
that
there
was
another
way
of
reducing
the
uh
the
amount
of
rodent
activity
and
that
was
to
put
some
use
some
kind
of
almost
birth
control.
J
J
A
lot
of
the
trash
that
gets
that
gets
put
out
uh
is
also
being
swept
out
onto
the
curbsides
and
they
they
they
really
uh
include.
The
accumulation
of
a
lot
of
trash
that
doesn't
get
doesn't
get
ever
picked
up
uh
because
they're
under
the
cars.
So
I'm
wondering
if
we
could
talk
about
redefining.
You
know.
Where
is
the
trash?
Where
is
the
acceptable
trash
line?
And
when
we
get
to
that
point
and
clarify
that
point,
can
we
find
people
even
business
owners
who
sweep
their
trash
out
onto
the
curbside
and
then
nothing
ever?
J
Nothing
happens
after
that.
So
I
I'd
like
to
talk
to
more
about
that,
so
um
I
will
uh
stop
there,
but
thank
you,
council
flynn
for
inviting
me-
uh
and
I
hope
I
didn't
uh
irritate
anybody,
but
I
really
think
it's
very
important
that
we,
but
we
become
a
little
more
aggressive
uh
amongst
ourselves.
Thank
you.
A
Thank
you.
Thank
you,
mary.
No,
your
your
comments
were
right
on
your
your
dedicated
community
leader
in
chinatown
and
throughout
the
city,
and
you
do
an
exceptional
job.
I
was
with
you
last
week
on
a
cleanup
in
chinatown
with
some
students.
I
think
they
were
from
boston
university,
um
a
group
of
um
group
of
asian
asian
students
that
did
a
tremendous
job,
helping
us.
A
A
My
my
wife's
family
owns
a
place
up
in
up
in
maine
next
to
tony's
house,
and
so
I
used
to
love
going
up
to
see
tony's,
mother
and
father
they're,
wonderful,
wonderful
people,
so
always
enjoyed
being
being
with
you,
tony
as
well.
So
having
awesome.
Thank
you
tony.
So
having
said
that,
brian
brian
or
john,
can
you
kind
of
weigh
in
a
little
bit
and
and
respond
to
tony
um
and
mary.
D
um
Thank
you,
council,
yeah
uh
to
mary's
point
yeah.
um
We
have
worked
in
the
past,
I
think
going
back
a
few
years,
so
I
went
to
a
few
aca
meetings.
um
The
situation
in
chinatown
I'm
certainly
willing
to
come
up
there,
and
you
know
now
that
we
can
hopefully
get
back
to
meetings.
I
think
we'll
start
to
get
back
into
the
community
engagement
piece
of
a
lot
of
the
work
that
we're
doing
and
trying
to
do
it's
very
difficult
to
piece
things
together,
one
by
one.
D
D
So
this
this
commercial,
it's
probably
one
of
the
most
mixed
used
areas
in
the
city
as
far
as
residential
and
commercial
trash.
um
So
there's
a
you
know
some,
whether
it's
confusion
or
it's
just
too
much
of
it's
a
little
chaotic
when
you
think
when
you
think
about
the
commercial
trash
overnight
and
then
the
residential
you
know
it's
almost
like,
there's
trash
on
the
sidewalks
all
the
time.
D
So
there's
certainly
some
things
we
can
try
to
do
um
and
I'm
willing
to
to
sit
down
with
you
and
your
team
and
the
residents
along
with
my
team
and
try
to
work
something
out.
um
You
know
the
businesses
need
to
be
involved.
There's
a
lot
of
issues
there
with
commercial
trash
um
violators
of
commercial
trash,
putting
trash
out
on
residential
collection
days,
mixing
it
in
you
know,
code
enforcements
from
finding
a
lot
of
evidence
on
that.
D
So
there's
there's
a
lot
to
be
done
there
and
I
think
you
know
we
really
need
to
take
a
deeper
dive
into
what's
happening,
um
but
the
city
can't
do
it
by
himself.
So
it'd
be
great
to
work
with
you
and
your
the
business
development
team
over
there.
You
know
the
business
groups
so
certainly
continue.
This
conversation.
A
Thank
you,
brian,
and
um
I
I
also
failed
to
mention
at
the
beginning,
eric
prentiss
has
been
a
very
invaluable
person
as
well
working
working
with
us
throughout
the
city.
So
I
want
to
say
thank
you
to
um
thank
you
to
eric
um
brian.
What
about
what
about
any
comments?
You
want
to
respond
to
um
comments
that
you
want
to
respond
to
that
tony
made
as
well.
Yeah.
D
For
tony
for
the
for
the
um
certainly,
if
there's
this
alleyways
and
there's
trash
coming
in
the
back
and
there's
dumpsters
there,
you
know
if
there's
no
lids
on
the
dumpsters,
we
you
know,
send
a
case
into
311..
You
know
if
there's
open
containers,
that's
a
problem.
You
know
the
trash
should
go
in
the
dumpster.
The
dumpster
needs
to
be
closed.
um
If
the
dumps
is
not
um
closed,
obviously
it's
creating
an
issue
and
even
on
a
windy
day,
it's
going
to
create
a
bigger
issue,
so
I
mean
those
things
behind.
D
The
building
is
a
difficult
for
us
to
inspect,
because
it's
not
part
of
the
daily
route
you
know,
driving
in
behind
buildings
and
stuff.
Like
that
be
helpful
um
in
terms
of
you
know,
inspection
or
monitoring
surveillance,
you
know.
um
Obviously,
we
would
recommend
that
the
the
landlords
or
the
the
owners
of
the
properties
would
have
some
sort
of
cameras.
If
that's
a
problem
or
if
there's
any
kind
of
you
know
for
just
for
even
safety
monitoring.
D
um
But
if
there's
a
trash
issue-
and
you
know
it
would
be
difficult
to
have
surveillance
everywhere-
and
you
know
that
would
be
you
know
if
we
could
find
license
plates
of
people
dumping
things,
and
that
would
be
helpful,
but
I
I
don't
think
that's
usable,
um
but
on
each
an
individual
homeowner.
I
think
it's
something
to
look
at.
You
know
if
you
do
have
a
dumpster
in
the
property.
If
you
haven't
consistent
issues,
people
coming
back
there.
D
I
Is
it?
Is
it
too
much
to
ask
of
the
sanitation
company
where
we
have
dumpsters
all
across
the
city
that
are
serviced
by
the
city
of
boston,
not
by
private
sanitation
companies,
but
are
actually
maintained
and
serviced
by
the
city
of
boston?
Is
it
asking
too
much
of
the
sanitation
company
to
make
a
note,
a
report
of
any
dumpster
sites
that
uh
really
don't
conform
to
the
regulations?
Let's
say:
there's
no
lid
or
the
trash
is
uh
overflowing
uh
or
the
area
around
the
dumpster
isn't
being
maintained.
I
D
uh
That's
not
something
that
we
have
them
do.
um
Typically,
the
dumpsters
are
either
owned
by
the
homeowner
or
the
apartment,
building
or
they're
rented
from
another
contractor.
um
The
service
provider
for
the
city
of
boston
is
not
necessarily
the
owner
of
that
dumpster,
nor
are
they
responsible
for
the
maintenance
and
upkeep
of
it
just
for
the
servicing
of
it.
So
anything,
that's
you
know.
If
the
wheel
breaks
off
the
bottom,
it's
not
the
hauler's
fault
or
you
know
responsibility
to
fix
it.
D
um
So
that's
you
know
highly
unlikely
that
we'd
be
able
to
do
that.
If
we
do
have
issues
with
you
know
some
of
the
smaller
dumpsters.
If
there
is
broken
wheel
on
it,
um
you
know
they
can't
push
it
sometimes
so
they'll
call
us
and
let
us
know,
they'll
dump
it
and
then
we'll
reach
out
to
the
management
company.
So
it
does
happen.
It's
just
not.
You
know,
there's
no
like
uh
daily
audit
of
what's
good.
E
Your
other
comment
on
watson
kept
by
developers,
while
they're
in
the
community
process
of
uh
zoning
relief
there's
never
a
time
where
a
property
owner
is
allowed
to
not
maintain
his
law.
So
if
there
is
a
lot
being
not
maintained
for
whatever
reason,
um
if
the
the
property
is
vacant
or
they're
going
through
a
uh
zoning
board
of
a
he
appeals
community
process,
the
property
always
has
to
be
maintained
um
under
the
sanitary
code.
So
if
there
is
an
issue
um
we
we
write
the
violation.
E
Our
violations
aren't
a
fine
um
they're,
an
abatement
that
that
ends
up
in
housing
court,
eventually,
and
sometimes
with
properties
that
are
going
through
the
resulting
vote
of
appeals.
The
ownership
can
be
um
changing
and
sometimes
the
title
search
and
finding
the
correct
owner
who's.
Actually,
we
can
only
hold
the
owner
of
the
property
um
viable
for
the
condition
of
the
property,
and
so
sometimes
that
isn't
the
person
who's
trying
to
redevelop
the
property.
E
Sometimes
that
happens,
the
sale
of
the
property
happens
after
the
property
is,
is
um
receives
the
relief
um
and
so
anytime
there
is
a
property
that
has
rodents
that
is
overgrown
is
not
being
maintained.
3-1-1
is
always
the
best
way
to
put
in
a
complaint.
We
have
a
a
new
system
where
three
one
one
complaints
go
directly
to
our
inspectors,
their
handouts-
um
and
you
know
the
average
time
is
24
hours
that
we
can.
We
can
respond
to
those
complaints.
J
uh
I
really
uh
really
genuinely
appreciate
this
opportunity
uh
and
again
thanks-
and
I
thank
uh
council,
bradens,
council,
edwards
and
yourself,
uh
but
I'm
trying
to
understand
the
total
process.
um
What
is
the
next
move?
I
think
we
definitely
meet
again
in
this
format.
Yes,
uh
but
what
is
the
next
step
here?
Because
uh
if
I
believe
that
uh
I
need
to
justify
my
request
for
for
uh
increased
fines,
but
also
uh
more
fines?
uh
Where
do
we
go
from
here?
J
uh
I
think
that's
so
so
critical,
and
I
also
know
that
we
talked
a
lot
about
abatement.
uh
You
know,
let's,
let's
you
know,
let's
push
the
the
the
construction
people,
the
development
people
to
uh
to
be
responsible,
not
just
for
their
their
site,
but
also
150
feet,
and
you
know
beyond.
uh
I
really
think
it
still
boils
down
to
how
to
reduce
the
population
of
these
rodents,
and
I
I'd
like
a
better
understanding
of
how
dry
ice
works.
J
Is
that
a
way
to
prevent
the
pop
to
reduce
the
population
of
rodents
or
is
there
another
way
that
people
are
talking
about
it
uh
because
we
could
just
go
on
and
on
about?
uh
You
know
getting
rid
of
uh
shooting
down
the
rodents
and
then
they
move
on
to
another
place
or
whatever
whatever
or
we
poison
them
a
little
bit
and
they
move
on
and
on.
So
what
is
a
larger,
a
larger
sort
of
solution
to
this
growing
rodent
situation?
J
A
A
I
want
to
have
a
working
group,
maybe
that
meets
once
a
month,
especially
for
especially
from
now
until
the
city
of
boston
budget
comes
out,
and
my
my
goal
as
as
chair
of
neighborhood
services
is
to
educate
the
public
in
in
my
colleagues
as
well
about
the
important
work
that
public
works
and
inspectional
service
um
parks
department
as
well.
They
they
do
on
on
these
critical
issues
and
to
advocate
for
more
funding.
A
A
A
A
What
I
hope
to
do
is
put
it
in
committee
um
in
in
me,
meet
once
a
month
stay
in
contact,
because
this
issue
isn't
going
away
um
and
the
residents
deal
with
this
issue
every
day
and
it's
up
to
us
as
community
leaders
to
provide
the
best
quality
of
life
for
our
for
our
residents
for
our
neighbors
and
that's
something
that's
important
to
me.
This
is
probably
one
of
the
most
critical
issues
facing
the
city.
um
It
doesn't
get
talked
about.
A
Certainly,
climate
resiliency
would
get
talked
about,
but
this
is
an
environmental
justice
problem
as
well.
It
impacts
it
impacts.
Many
in
the
immigrant
community.
As
you
rightfully
said,
mary
chinatown
has
the
highest
asthma
rate
of
any
neighborhood
in
new
england.
That's
an
environmental
injustice.
um
We
have
a
high
pest
control
problem
as
well.
We
have
other
environmental
challenges.
A
So
let
me
let
me
put
this
in
committee:
we'll
stay
in
contact,
we'll
continue
to
work
together,
but
at
this
time
I
know
there
are
some
people
that
are
waiting
that
want
to
provide
public
testimony.
Let
me
give
them
a
chance
to
provide
public
testimony,
and
I
know
we've
received
public
testimony,
mary
from
the
chinatown
residents
association
as
well.
J
J
This
is
I,
the
inspectional
service
team
is
so
underrated
in
terms
of
a
solution
here,
the
more
inspections
you
can
keep
out
there,
the
more
fines
they
can
be.
That
and
education
can
be,
uh
you
know,
can
be
doled
out.
I
really
think
that
there
is
a
relationship
between
you
know,
increasing
fines
and
therefore
having
the
right
having
the
ability
to
uh
to
get
the
right
kind
of
people
on
on
on
the
streets
yeah.
This
is
the
way
to
do
it
so
I'll,
stop
there
ed.
Thank
you.
D
Just
want
to
follow
up
on
the
on
the
fines.
I
agree
with
the
you
know:
increasing
the
fines
is
certainly
a
way
to
to
change
some
behaviors,
but
um
the
illegal
dumping.
Fines
counselor
is
coming
from
the
mass
general
law
uh
chapter
270,
so
we're
going
to
need
assistance
from
the
state
yeah.
If
we're
looking
to
change
anything
um
the
smaller
violations,
then
you
know
that's
25
the
50
ones.
D
A
Thank
you,
brian.
That
would
be
great
if
we
can
stay
in
contact
and
discuss
that,
um
certainly
certainly
at
the
working
group
that
I
hope
to
have
probably
in
the
next
30
days.
But
um
let's,
let's
discuss
that
that
should
be
part
of
it,
as
mary
rightfully
said,
is
increasing
the
fines,
um
but
there's
a
lot
of
issues.
We
need
to
continue
to
work
on.
If
we
don't
solve
this
issue,
um
you
know
we
can't.
We
can't
tackle
even
bigger
issues
if
we
can't
address
this
issue
and
solve
it,
and
it's
this
this.
A
This
will
never
get
solved,
but
we
we,
if
we
work
together,
we
can
provide
the
best
quality
of
life
for
residents
as
we
possibly
can,
and
it's
it's
it's
about
working
together.
It's
not
a
sexy
issue,
but
it's
an
issue
that
it
impacts
every
neighborhood
in
it's
about
working
together.
We
have,
we
have
great
city
and
dedicated
employees
that
love
their
job
and
love
the
neighborhoods
in
working
with
the
activists.
Let's
continue
to
work
together.
Having
said
that,
I
see
the
I
see
the
good-looking
gentleman
there
from
andrew
square
civic
association
he's
looking
to
testify.
K
If
I
may,
first
read
a
statement
prepared
and
drafted
by
the
indus
square,
civic
association,
my
colleagues
president
linda
zablocki,
and
vice
president
patty
mccormick
and
the
whole
body
interest
square
civic
association-
is
grateful
to
counselors
flynn
edward
spreading
for
holding
this
important
hearing.
Recent
reports
of
boston
being
the
second
most
rat
infested
metro
area
in
the
u.s
came
as
no
surprise
to
the
residents
of
anders
square.
Our
neighborhood
has
always
had
a
problem
with
rodents,
but
in
the
last
few
years
it
has
become
increasingly
troublesome
between
household
trash
and
construction
sites.
K
We
are
inundated
with
trash
and
garbage
one
recent
example:
five
disabled
cars
in
one
block
had
to
be
towed
to
the
local
garage
due
to
the
wires
being
chewed
upon
by
rodents.
During
this
time
frame,
we
had
been
in
touch
with
isd
to
notify
them
of
many
sightings.
The
inspector
was
extremely
attentive.
Invaded
stores
fly
at
homes
issued
fines;
they
did
what
they
have
been
doing
for
years.
K
K
Is
it
time
proposed
two
trash
pickups
a
week
and
that's
a
question?
Can
some
of
the
new
taxes
collected
from
all
these
new
units
be
appropriated
towards
this?
The
fine
structures
does
not
deter
residents
from
following
protocol
existing
protocol.
We
find
many
of
the
problem
properties
with
improper
trash
disposal
or
rentals
and
similar
to
the
noise
ordinance.
The
landlord
finds
it
easy
to
pay
the
medial
fine
than
address
the
tenant.
Who
is
paying
him
the
quote-unquote
exorbitant
rate
rents.
K
Fines
should
not
only
be
increased
dramatically
but
structured
to
be
increased
by
each
offense.
Isd
needs
to
revisit
the
requirement
for
baiting
with
developers.
We
know
the
south
boston
waterfront
waterfront
requirements
are
stricter
with
all
the
building
going
on
in
south
boston,
neighborhood
and
all
that
is
to
come.
We
should
have
the
same
requirements
for
the
developers
in
the
intersquare
area.
K
We
feel
residents
should
be
informed
and
empowered.
A
public
service
campaign
on
social
media
would
also
be
a
way
to
get
people
engaged
in
solutions,
and
if
I
may
offer
my
personal
and
professional
input,
my
name
is
john
picatowski,
I'm
on
the
asca
board,
I'm
a
lifelong
resident,
small
business
owner
registered
small
business
owner
in
the
indus
square
section
of
south
boston.
K
I
think
increased
fines
holding
illegal
fees
and
dump
dumping
to
a
high
degree
of
accountability
is
key.
Basically
going
back
to
the
thousand
dollar.
Fine
that
can
amount
to.
Basically,
a
pickup
truck
load
at
the
transfer
station
does
not
commiserate
with
what
the
fines
and
fees
are
being
charged
at
these
fall
trash
transfer
stations.
Thank
you
for
your
time.
A
H
You,
oh
yeah,
yeah,
okay,
I
I
live
in
chinatown,
so
uh
my
condo
always
get
a
fine
because
of
uh
trash.
uh
Some
reason
is
the
resident
or
not.
I'm
I
mean
the
tenant
they
are
moving
in.
They
are
not
sure
what
to
do.
It
should
be
fine
to
these
people.
I
mean,
uh
like
you
know
they
don't
do
a
good
job,
but
other
time
you
know
people
come
to
chinatown
to
eat
so
a
lot
of
times
they
live
live.
H
You
know
uh
small
trash
just
on
the
street,
like
my
street
all
the
time,
so
we
gotta
find
for
these
people.
I
mean
that
is
not
a
fear
for
further
for
the
people
like
I
live
in
this
building
and
I
have
to
pay
for
these
people
to
find
you
know
what
they
did
so,
I'm
concerned
when
you
increase
the
fine
and
the
fine
goes
to
mcconnell.
I
had
one
one
of
them
to
pay.
Sometimes
you
know
the
visit.
H
J
I
H
I
saw
all
the
time
you
know
they.
They
people
come
to
eat
in
chinatown.
Usually
you
know
the
restaurant
over
very
late,
so
daytime
daytime.
Without
you
know
they
sometimes
they
left
over.
They
just
live
on
the
street,
so
there's
nothing
to
do.
I
can
control
for
this
visit
so
we're
going
to
fight
all
the
time.
A
Yeah,
thank
you.
Thank
you
side.
That's
an
issue.
We've
been
we've
been
dealing
with.
I
had
a
conversation
with
the
chinatown
residents
association
last
week
about
that,
in
with
eric
and
with
eric
prentice
about
that
from
the
um
city
of
boston,
that's
been
an
ongoing
problem.
There's
no
place
for
that
building
to
put
their
their
trash.
There's
no
alia,
there's
no
backyard
to
put
trash.
So
it
is
a
major
concern.
It's
something
we!
uh
We
are
aware
of
we're
continuing
to
work
on
that.
I
I
thank
you.
I
thank
you
for
testifying.
J
You
yeah
I
um
so
I
I
uh
I
totally
agree
and
understand
that
the
the
problem
uh
of
tourists,
as
well
as
people
who
actually
live
in
chinatown
um
when
when
it
comes
to
trying
to
figure
out
what
to
do
with
an
empty
bubble,
tea
cup
or
uh
you
know
or
take
out
order
box.
uh
That
is
being
uh
that
needs
to
be
disposed
of.
J
It's
been
a
delicate
balance
and-
uh
and
maybe-
um
and
maybe
brian
can
speak
to
this-
it's
been
a
very
delicate
balance
that
is
actually
impossible
to
achieve
where
I've
asked
many
times
that
the
city
put
out
more
public
barrels
so
that
people
who
are
needing
to
you
know
to
get
rid
of
a
a
cup
or
or
a
takeout
order
box
uh
when
they're
walking.
uh
They
don't
know
where
to
put
the
stuff,
they
can't
put
it
in
their
pocket.
J
You
know,
I
see
people
going
out
to
go
to
work
every
day
uh
and
they
have
in
their
hands
as
they're
leaving
their
little
apartments
is
little
little
bags
shopping
bags.
Okay,
they
fill
up
their
trash
and
they
dump
it
into
a
public
barrel
and
they
have
they.
I
can
understand
why
they're
doing
it,
they
have
no
choice.
They
don't
know
where
to
go.
J
uh
As
I
said,
landlords
don't
give
them
real
barrels
and
lend
ones
don't
give
them
trash
bags,
so
they
dump
there,
and
so
I've
seen
this
I've
had
this
argument
before
with
the
city:
uh
they
don't
uh
they
don't
they
don't
want
to
have
more
uh
public
barrels
out
there
because
people
abuse
them.
They
don't
know
how
to
use
them
and
they
abuse
them,
and
then
we
see
this
overflow
of
trash
coming
out
of
these
public
barrels
uh
and
I
think
at
least
twice
or
three
times
a
day,
if
I'm
not
mistaken
brian.
J
Now
somebody
comes
around
that
you
know
the
uh
the
trucks
come
around.
Are
they
empty,
but
obviously
still
not
enough,
but
we
have
this
overflow
really
ugly
overflow
of
trash
coming
up
coming
out
of
these
barrels
all
over
all
over
chinatown.
So
I
I
appreciate
sai
uh
how
you
feel
uh
and
it's
unfortunate,
that
uh
you
know
that
that
owners,
condo
owners
uh
building
owners
will
feel
that
they're
being
abused,
uh
but
because
there
is
no
place
to
throw
people
to
throw
their
trash
out.
So
thank
you.
A
Thank
you.
Thank
you,
miri.
Thank
you
side
in
these
conversations
that
we
can
continue
talking
about
in
the
working
session.
um
I'd
I'd,
love
to
have
psy,
testify
again
and
provide
some
more
input,
um
certainly
the
the
piano.
Certainly
the
community
residents
open
it
up
to
other
other
people
as
well.
A
Having
said
that
again,
I
want
to
thank
the
panel
for
being
here
to
to
john
to
to
brian
and
to
john,
um
I
want
to
say
thank
you
to
the
the
civic
leaders
that
have
testified
here
today,
especially
to
tony
and
to
into
mary
who
I
both
know
very
well,
and
they
do
excellent
work
in
their
communities.
I
want
to
say
thank
you
to
counselor
braden
who's
been
an
outstanding
colleague
as,
as
has
council
edwards,
but
they
really
focus
on
the
nuts
and
bolts
of
city
government
and
that's
what
that's.
A
L
A
L
Mary
has
said
so
many
things
that
it
was
on
the
target
that
we
have
been
experienced,
the
same
thing
about
rodent
about
illegal
dumping,
about
um
almost
everything
you
know
like
the
local
neighborhood
is
so
dirty,
so
for
and
so
on.
So
she
was
on
the
target.
So
I
I
don't
want
to
repeat
that.
um
There's
a
few
things
I
like
to
mention
is
that
um
you
know
we
had
before
pandemic.
L
You
know
we
have
residents
here
and
staff
here
went
out
to
chinatown,
like
25
of
us,
went
out,
chinatown
do
cleaning
throughout
chinatown
um
guess
what
you
know
two
times
every
single
time
it
was
spotless
clean
within
24
hours,
everything
pretty
much
restored
to.
You
know
50
of
trash
going
back
out
there
in
chinatown.
So
um
this
is
something
like
you
know:
it's
a
it's
a
bad
habit,
it's
a
behavior
that
you
know
people
around
uh
chinatown
or
people
coming
to
chinatown,
buying
drinks
and
trash
everywhere.
L
That's
something
that
definitely
we!
You
know.
I
I
heard
the
the
city
group
here.
You
know
had
a
lot
of
plan
going
on
and
you
know
try
to
get
on
target.
We
try
to
meet
monthly.
So
for
and
so
on,
uh
so
this
is
something
that
definitely
you
know
it's
a
good
thing
to
go
on,
and
that
is
what
we,
you
know
absolutely
around
the
neighborhood
here
so
from
for
just
for
taitung
village
along
here
um
uh
we
talked
about
rodent
and
rat.
L
um
You
know
as
a
site
here
we
have
so
many
hundred
residents
live
around
here
and
we've
done
so
due
to
you
know
whatever
we
could
and
do
about
uh
pet
control
within
the
site.
Here
we
we
paid
a
lot
of
money.
You
know
we
had
a
pet
control
guide,
that
we
hire
come
here
and
do
things
every
single
month
for
the
past
20
years.
L
L
um
So
another
thing
is
when
we
have
when
the
city
inspector
come
by,
uh
you
know
before
pandemic.
You
know
they
they,
you
know
they
come
out
and
do
inspection.
You
know
throughout
our
parking
lot,
we
have
several
dumpsters
around
it
and
we
got
site,
for
uh
you
know
citation
for
for
overflow,
the
the
trash.
L
So
this
is
something
that
you
know
we
you
know
we.
We
were
not
too
happy.
So
I
appeal
a
few
times.
Not
you
know
like
uh
rejecting
those
tickets.
uh
It's
not
fair,
and
I
I
I
heard
you
know
sai,
you
know
one
of
the
uh
chinatown
neighborhood
owner
were
talking
about.
uh
You
know
again
we
didn't
create
this,
but
you
know
we
have
this
kind
of
trash.
L
Sure,
um
so
what
what
what
I?
What
I
like
to
you
know
mention
is
when
city
inspector
come
out-
and
you
know
uh
you
know,
citing
the
tickets
and
so
forth
and
so
on,
which
is
a
good
thing
to
do,
um
but
it
really
cracked
down
to
where
the
source
is
coming
from.
So
this
whole
group,
here,
you
know,
is
a
great.
uh
We
need
to
come
up
some
kind
of
strategy
to
to
tackle
all
the
little
details
until
we
get
rid
of
all
the
problem
right
here.
A
Well,
thank
you.
Thank
you
fong.
I
thank
you.
I
think
you
said
it
the
best
fong
uh
we're
going
to
come
up
with
a
strategy
in
our
working
session,
we're
going
to
work
together
with
this
city,
employees,
city
officials
with
the
community
and
come
up
with
the
strategy
strategy
that
improves
the
quality
of
life
of
residents,
but
also
as
we
go
into
the
budget
season,
we
need
to
make
sure
that
these
dedicated
departments
that
that
do
exceptional
work
on
these
issues
have
the
resources,
the
funding
and
the
personnel
to
do
their
jobs.
A
A
No,
I
don't
know,
I'm
just
we're
just
wrapping
up
right
now,
fong,
I'm
sorry
um
um
on
behalf
of
myself,
um
council,
edwards
and
council
braden
we're
gonna
go
into
a
working
session,
probably
in
the
next
30
days.
We're
going
to
have
another
discussion
about
these
topics,
we're
going
to
invite
the
city
officials
as
well.
um
I
want
to
say
thank
you
to
the
city
council,
central
staff,
to
kerry
and
and
to
my
team
as
well
sophia
um
that
have
that
helped
me
during
this
process
again,
thank
you
and
this
meeting
is
adjourned.