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Planning, Development & Transportation Hearing - Dockets #1171-1173, 1176-1179, 1212, confirmations of ZBA appointments and reappointments
A
Good
afternoon,
everyone
welcome.
My
name
is
Frank
Baker
Boston
city
council
for
District,
3
I'm,
the
chair
of
the
Boston
city
council
committee
on
Planning,
Development
and
transportation.
I
want
to
remind
you
that
this
is
a
public
hearing
being
recorded
and
broadcast
live
on,
Xfinity
8,
RCN,
82
and
FiOS
964
and
streamed
on
www.boston.gov
City,
Dash
console
Dash
TV.
Please
silence
your
cell
phones.
We
will
also
take
public
testimony
at
the
end
of
our
presentations.
A
You
can
sign
in
over
here
to
the
left
and
if
you
wish
you'd
testify
via
video
conference,
please
email,
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dot,
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sign
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when
you
are
called.
Please
take
your
name
and
affiliation
residence
and
limit.
Your
comments
are
no
no
more
than
two
minutes.
That's
for
that's
for
public!
You
guys
take
what
you
need.
A
As
a
member
of
the
Zoning
Board
of
appeal
for
term
expiring,
May,
1st
2025.,
today's
hearing,
where
we
did
that
these
matters
are
sponsored
by
the
men
and
were
referred
to.
The
committee
on
Planning,
Development
and
transportation.
A
Dockets
1171,
through
1173
Democrats
1176
through
1179,
were
were
referred
on:
November
28,
2022
and
docket
one
two,
one
two
on
October
5th
2022..
The
subject
of
this
hearing
is
confirmations
of
appointments
and
reappointments
to
the
Zoning
Board
of
Appeals.
Zba
and
I'm
joined
by
my
colleagues
in
order
of
arrival,
counselor
Murphy,
Council,
luigien,
Council,
Flynn
and
Council
Coletta.
A
Does
anybody
have
opening
statements?
I
would
like
to
get
right
into
them?
Okay,
do
you
have
an
opening
statement.
B
A
A
So
I
believe
what
we're
going
to
do
here
is
we'll
we'll
start
with
Chris
you
can.
You
can
announce
you
Chris
is
going
to
give
us
a
quick
overview
under
view
on
zoning
board
and
what
it
is,
what
they
do
and
then
we'll
we'll
move
forward
to
the
appointees.
A
very
brief.
C
C
Thank
you
for
having
so
ISD
serves
as
the
administrator
of
the
zoning
Board
of
appeal.
The
board
is
composed
of
seven
members
and
seven
alternate
members,
all
of
whom
are
appointed
by
the
mayor,
confirmed
by
the
city
council,
to
serve
three-year
terms.
The
CBA
generally
holds
two
hearings
a
month,
plus
one
subcommittee
hearing
a
month
and
here's
approximately
Eleven
Hundred
cases.
On
average
every
year
the
CBA
hears
appeals
to
Grant
zoning
relief
under
the
code
or
Grant
special
permission
to
build
through
a
commission
conditional
use
permit.
C
If
a
project
does
not
fit
the
use
of
dimensional
requirements,
a
building
permit
cannot
be
issued
by
IST.
In
such
cases,
the
applicant
May
appeal
to
the
GBA
and
ask
for
permission
to
build.
The
applicants
must
convince
the
zba
that
they
meet
the
criteria
to
be
excused
from
complying
with
one
or
more
requirements
of
the
code.
C
If
the
zba
grants
the
appeal,
the
applicant
continue
with
the
permitting
process,
there
are
multiple
agencies
involved
in
this:
the
Boston
Planning
Development
agency,
the
bus
transportation
department,
both
submit
recommendations
to
the
zba
related
to
particular
appeals,
the
office
of
Neighborhood
Services,
the
city
council,
the
neighborhood
and
Civic
organizations,
and
members
of
the
public
also
provide
valuable
input
on
specific
appeals
during
CBA
hearings.
However,
the
zba
makes
the
final
determination
on
whether
or
not
to
Grand
zoning
relief.
C
Information
about
specific
appeals
can
be
found
online
through
ISU
CBA
tracker.
We
also
have
a
guide
to
the
CBA
process
in
10
different
languages
online,
but
as
we
review
these
appointees
or
nominees
to
the
committee,
I'll
be
here
to
answer
any
questions
you
have
about
the
process
and
the
administration
of
the
board.
Thank.
A
You
Chris
quick,
quick
question,
so
zoning
board
members,
so
if
they
don't
agree
with,
say
this
12
percent
affordable
and
they
would
like
to
see
18
affordable
is
that
is
that
a
function
of
the
zoning
board.
A
A
Yeah,
so
more
bpda
is
more
on
the
front
end
that
would
negotiate
those
sorts
of
things.
Okay
and
and
Chris
is
going
to
hang
around.
Oh
and
we've
we've
been
joined
by
Council,
we're
Outlaw,
so
Chris
is
going
to
hang
around
for
a
little
while
in
case
we
have
any
questions
related
to
this
topic.
Here
we
didn't
do
any
opening
statements,
but
I'd
like
to
offer
you
if
you
want
to
do
an
opening
statement,
we'll
have
plenty
of
time
to
no
opening
statement.
Okay,
Sherry
will
start
with
you.
A
D
You
chairman,
Baker
committee
and
council
members,
thank
you
for
taking
for
this
opportunity
to
briefly
introduce
or
reintroduce
myself
to
you.
As
the
case
may
be.
My
name
is
Sherry
dong
I
currently
reside
in
Dorchester
and
before
that
lived
in
Jamaica
Plain
for
20
years,
I
moved
to
the
Boston
area
as
a
college
student
over
30
years
ago,
and
have
stayed
ever
since
as
a
child
of
immigrants
who
grew
up
in
New
York
City's
Chinatown
I
sought
out
opportunities
to
find
a
sense
of
community
with
and
to
be
in
service
to
Boston's.
D
Chinatown
I
did
so
through
interning
at
Greater,
Boston,
Legal,
Services,
Asian,
Outreach
unit,
helping
non-in
limited
English
speakers
with
housing,
employment
and
other
legal
issues.
I
stayed
with
them
for
three
years
until
I,
graduated
and
and
also
supported
Community
needs
through
the
Asian
American
Resource
workshop
and
after
college
I
continued
my
Civic
engagement
joining
the
boards
of
the
Asian
task
force
against
domestic
violence
and
the
Asian
American
Resource
Workshop
Mike.
B
No
thank
you
Shari,
and
it
looks
like
you're
families
here
with
you.
It's
great
to
see
you
again,
I
know
that
I
see
you
often
when
I'm
in
Chinatown
and
we're
neighbors
in
Dorchester
and
have
been
on
hearings
and
with
you.
So
just
thank
you
for
coming
here,
reintroducing
yourself
to
many
of
us
and
just
looking
forward
to
hearing
what
my
colleagues
have
to
ask,
but
in
support.
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
Council
Baker.
A
E
Lujin,
thank
you
councilor,
chair
Baker,
and
thank
you
Sherry
great,
to
see.
You
I
appreciate
the
service
that
you've
given
to
the
city
both
here
and
in
your
your
Civic
engagement
and
so
I
appreciate
you
just
thoughts
for
you
and
maybe
also
ISD.
Just
you
know,
one
of
the
things
that
we
often
hear
about
and
that
we
see
about
zpa
and
that
members
of
the
public
are
often
asking
questions
about
us
like
that.
E
There's
like
a
lot
of
inside
deals
being
done
or
if
you
know
someone
you're
all
set,
and
so
we
know
that
oftentimes
conflict
of
interest
can
be
a
big
issue,
and
so
what
are
your
thoughts
and
ideas
in
terms
of
how
we
can
prevent
conflict
of
interest
from
permeating
the
variance
process
and
permeating
the
zba?
Thank.
D
You
for
the
question
that
that
was
actually
one
of
the
questions
I
asked
when
nominated,
because
I
wanted
to
make
sure.
Obviously
I
sit
on
several
Chinatown
Community
associations
and
we
we
often
have
presentations
from
you,
know,
developers
or
others
seeking
zoning
relief,
and
so
I
asked
what
the
you
know.
Process
was
for
recuzo,
ETC
and
so
for
myself
anyway.
I
feel
confident
that
you
know
when
I
see
cases
where
there
may
be
a
potential
conflict
of
interest.
I
would
either
recuse
myself
at
the
neighborhood
meeting
level.
D
D
C
There
are
requirements
for
disclosures
that
cover
a
member's
affiliation
with
a
financial
interest
in
a
business
or
Enterprise
for
five
years
prior
to
their
appointment
to
the
board
and
then
another
two
years
following
any
action
that
they
take
at
the
board
member,
so
that
that's
an
executive
order
that
the
board
members
earned
or
that
they
filed
those
expanded
disclosures.
Thank.
C
Depending
on
the
involvement,
it's
either
a
disclosure
or
disclosure,
Plus
or
recusal
from
a
vote.
E
C
Open
to
any
way,
we
can
provide
better
trust
in
the
process.
Apparently.
A
F
Thank
you
Mr
chair
and
thank
you
thank
you
to
Sherry
and
the
the
others
that
are
that
are
here
before
us.
Mr,
chair
I've
had
the
opportunity
and
the
honor
to
to
work
with
Sherry
almost
on
a
weekly
basis
for
the
last
six
years
on
many
issues:
food
access,
language,
access,
supportive
immigrants,
Economic
Development,
public
education,
but
the
every
experience
I've
had
with
her
she's,
been
very
professional,
honest
hard-working
dedicated
to
the
residents
of
Chinatown,
but
also
the
aapi
community
throughout
Greater
Boston,
really
Asian,
American
Pacific,
Islander
community.
F
G
That's
what
I
was
going
to
ask
if
I
could
do
only
because
this
is
a
subject
near
and
dear
to
my
heart,
hello,
everybody.
Thank
you.
So
much
for
your
work
and
for
your
service
to
the
city.
G
G
We
have
had
the
most
variances
granted
to
our
community
and
that's
been
proven
by
the
bpda.
There's.
There's
statistics
there's
facts
and
it
has
had
it's
done
harm
on
our
neighborhood
and
I
think
that
it's
not
just
East
Boston,
it's
my
entire
District,
it's
Charlestown
in
the
North,
End
and
so
I
would
like
to-
and
this
is
not
just
for
you
Sherry.
This
is
going
to
be
the
question
for
everybody.
I
think
we
talk
about
the
standards
of
of
applying
variances
I.
G
But
what
I
have
heard
from
residents
is
that
these,
these
hardships
that
are
that
are
ultimately
granted
through
variances
are
are
harm
to
our
community
and
it
has
a
direct
impact
into
displacement
and
gentrification
in
East
Boston,
so
I
want
everybody
to
you
know
just
take
stock
of
this,
and
I
would
love
to
better
understand.
You
know
what
what
your
approach
is
to
granting
variances,
especially
your
definition
of
hardship.
Right.
Do
you?
Do
you
understand
your
responsibility
and
your
role
as
a
zoning
board
of
appeals
member
in
granting
these?
G
So
the
zoning
board
of
appeals
I
see
that
as
the
lever
to
ensuring
that
we
are
protecting
our
communities,
because
a
lot
of
these
variances
that
you
grant
will
displace
a
lot
of
folks
and
so
I
would
love
to
better
understand
your
thought
process.
As
you
have
developers
in
front
of
you,
will
you
hold
them
accountable?
Will
you
ask
them?
Is
this
displacing
anybody?
G
What
does
your
affordability
look
like,
because
I
think
that
that
is
your
responsibility,
and
that
is
your
obligation,
so
I'll
stop
it
there,
but
to
Sherry
I
would
love
your
approach
to
what
your
thought
process
is
around.
Granting
variances,
right
and
and
I
would
love
a
demonstrated
care
and
concern
to
community
voice,
because
I've
also
heard
from
residents
that
they
go.
They
take
time
out
of
their
day
and
they
don't
feel
heard,
and
so
I
would
love
to
understand.
You
know
how
you
approach
this
role
in
general
and
everything
that
I
just
post.
D
You
thank
you
well
I
I,
you
know
I've
been
on
the
on
the
zba
for
about
a
year
and
a
half,
and
obviously
it's
all
been
virtual.
So
in
terms
of
participation,
it
has
been
a
little
bit
different.
D
You
know
when
I
served
in
ons,
it
was
certainly
in
person
live
and
you
could
see
the
packed
room,
so
you
kind
of
had
a
visual
sense
of
the
the
support
or
opposition
for
a
a
project
a
little
bit
harder
virtual,
although
I
think
virtual
has
allowed
more
access
to
people
who
cannot
get
into
City
Hall
for
those
hearings.
D
So
that
being
said,
I
you
know
for
myself,
you
know
I
I,
obviously
read
through
the
the
cases
I,
you
know
try
to
do
a
site
visit
when
I
can
I
also
review
all
of
the
the
feedback
that
we
get.
D
So
you
know
when
people
submit
a
letter
of
support
or
opposition
by
email,
we
get
all
those,
and
so
you
know
I
read
through
them
and
obviously
the
goal
is
to
listen
to
community
residents
and,
to
you
know
the
the
district
counselors
and
the
the
other,
the
other
public
officials
who
are
hearing
directly
from
residents
about
those
concerns-
and
you
are,
you-
are
the
front
line
in
terms
of
the
concerns
of
the
community.
D
You
know
we
hear
the
case
once
maybe
twice
maybe
three
times
if
it
comes
back
for
rediscussion
ETC,
but
obviously,
unless
we
live
in
that
neighborhood
or
work
in
it
or
have
otherwise
been
Associated
for
a
long
time,
you
you
all
are
more
of
the
experts
and
so
for
me,
it's
really
important
to
hear
from
the
residents
and
counselors
Etc
to
gain
better
understanding
of
you
know
your
perspectives.
G
Thank
you
I'm,
just
looking
through
my
notes
here
as
well
and
I.
Think,
just
as
as
a
yes
or
no
I
mean,
do
you
consider
a
financial
hardship
as
a
qualification
for
a
variance.
H
I
H
Thank
you
chair
and
thank
you
to
the
panel
and
thank
you
Sherry
for
all
your
work
that
you've
done
here
in
the
city
of
Boston.
My
question
is:
is
going
to
be
the
same
question
for
all
the
all
the
appointments
or
panelists,
and
it's
kind
of
similar
to
what
council
Coletta
has
asked
is
how
do
you
balance?
You
know
some
of
our
goals.
You
know
whether
it's
climate,
you
know
resiliency
the
amount
of
community
engagement
having
to
develop,
affordable
and
then
not
cause
and
displacement
in
your
decision
process.
H
D
Well,
I
think
my
first
answer
would
be
I
I,
don't
think
there
is
one
approach,
because
not
all
projects
are
the
same,
and
so
again
you
know
for
us
as
not
the
content
experts
on
any
particular
project.
It
is
really
important
to
hear
from
those
most
impacted
and
those
who
hear
from
those
who
are
most
impacted.
D
You
know
it
projects
that
go
through
BPD
already
go
through
a
rigorous
process,
and
so
I
know
one
of
the
feedbacks
I've
given
as
a
shorter
term
board
member
is
that
it
would
be
really
useful
to
better
understand,
not
just
sort
of
the
recommendation,
but
you
know
maybe
just
understand
a
little
bit
more
fully
the
the
community
process
that
has
was
gone
through.
D
It
may
lengthen
our
zva
hearings,
but
it
might
be
useful
for
someone
from
bpda
to
be
able
to
actually
walk
us
through
those
projects
so
that
we
have
more
insight
because
I,
because
obviously
those
if
they've
gone
through
a
rigorous
process,
we
we
have.
We
have,
you
know,
rejected
projects
that
have
gone
through
that
rigorous
process,
but
at
the
same
time
it
seems
in
those
cases
if
they
have
gone
through
that
process
and
and
if
we
agree
that
that
process
is
effective.
D
You
know
we
should
hear
a
little
bit
more
about
it
at
those
hearings.
So
I
think
that
would
be
useful
as
well.
I'm,
not
sure
if
I
answered
all
your
questions
but
yeah.
A
J
Thanks
so
much
to
the
nominees
and
yeah
I'll,
like
other
counselors
sort
of
try
to
put
a
couple
of
questions
on
the
table
for
everybody,
although
obviously
Sherry
and
hanzi
have
seen
you
working
already
on
the
body
and
appreciate
your
service
to
the
city
in
that
respect
and
as
I
as
I
recall,
hanzi,
we
we
grilled
you
a
few
when
you
were
on
Zoom
with
us
a
couple
of
years
ago.
So
but
so
you
know
a
particular
interest
of
mine.
I.
J
Think
folks
are
aware
that
I
was
involved
in
leading
the
unanimous
Council
passage
of
the
abolition
of
parking
minimums
for
majority,
affordable
housing
developments
and
so
I
guess
I'd
love
to
hear
a
little
bit
about
your
thoughts
on
kind
of
parking
and
transportation
policy
in
the
city
in
general,
vis-a-vis
zoning
and
then
also
specifically,
this
question
of
Expediting,
affordable
housing
development
through
the
process.
D
Mr,
chair,
I,
guess
I'm
up
well,
thank
you.
I
am
familiar
with
that
and
I
I
guess
my
I
have
a
question
and
a
response.
D
So
I
guess
my
question
would
be
you
know
how
how
well
how
well
do
you
feel
that
that
that
has
been
communicated
to
Residents
because
I
know
for
sure
when
we,
when
we
hear
cases
parking,
is
a
high
level
concern
from
residents
who
oppose
projects
and
so
weighing
the
balance
between
there
being
insufficient
parking,
and
you
know
not
meeting
the
the
you
know
the
the
code
in
terms
of
parking
versus
the
need
for
affordable
housing,
Etc,
I,
I
think
I
think
there's
more
work
to
be
done
on
that
in
general.
D
I
think
that
could
be
better
communicated
to
Residents,
because
I
do
think.
Honestly.
That
is
one
of
the
things
we
hear
a
lot
when
people
say
they're
opposed
to
something
they
say
well,
geez.
You
know
it's
a
one-way
Street
or
there's
only
parking
on
one
side,
and
you
know
you
have
you're
trying
to
build
three
three
bedroom
units
and
so
therefore
it's
not
really
three
parking
spots.
It's
you
know
nine
parking
spots
and
so
I
I
think
just
being
able
to
balance
all
of
those
those
needs.
J
If,
if
I
can
just
say,
one
thing
on
that,
I
think-
and
it
leads
me
to
another
question
so
I
think
I
mean
part
of
what
you're
pointing
to
is,
there's
I,
think
on
a
bunch
of
issues,
sometimes
like
a
weird
dynamic,
where
the
the
city
will
sort
of
take
one
policy
step,
and
then
the
zoning
and
the
variances
will
still
be
in
another
place.
J
And
then
this
question
of
kind
of,
like
what's
that
feedback
loop
of
of
the
zba
sort
of
understanding
the
policy
direction
that
the
city's
going
in
and
understanding
the
whys
of
it
right
because,
of
course,
like
no
matter
how
much
Public
Communication
we
do
outside
of
the
zba.
A
lot
of
these
conversations
are
going
to
come
to
the
point
at
the
zba,
and
so
sometimes
I
feel
like
we
as
a
city
should
be
doing
a
better
job
of
supporting
you
all
and
kind
of
understanding
the
latest
on.
J
What's
going
on
there
and
so
I
think
the
same
things
come
up
with
like
the
compact
living
unit.
Like
pilot,
you
know
where
again
kind
of
the
city
went
in
a
certain
direction,
but
then
the
actual
rubber
meets
the
road
conversation
about.
The
pilot
is
happening
in
your
guys's
meetings
on
these
like
very
specific
projects.
J
So
one
question
one
just
another
question:
I
had
is
sort
of
your
openness
as
a
zba
member
to
the
the
possibility
of
maybe
like
some
like,
like
a
more
regular
internal,
like
policy
briefing
cycle
almost
for
you
guys
as
a
board
and
whether
that's
something
I
know
you
guys
have
a
lot
of
responsibilities,
but
whether
that's
something
that
you
would
welcome
sure.
D
So
twofold,
so
my
comment
was
actually
more
about
the
residents
who
participate
in
the
zba
hearings,
because
I
think
you
know
they're
the
ones,
especially
the
butter
is
most
directly
impacted,
and
so
you
know
when
they
hear
geez,
there's
only
I,
don't
know
two
parking
I'm
making
this
up
two
parking
spots
for
three
units
or
or
there's
there's
nine
parking
spots.
D
But
there's
you
know
12
units,
you
know
they
they
do
their
mental
math
and
and
they're
like
wait
a
minute,
but
we
expect
you
know
six
people
to
live
there
and
they're
gonna,
each
one
of
spot
and
so
I
guess.
My
comment
is
beyond
the
is
the
board
and
to
say
just
in
general,
I
think
more
communication
and
education
would
be
useful
to
residents
at
large.
That
being
said,
your
second
point
is
well
taken
and
I
I
would
be
you
know.
D
I
would
be
open
to
that,
because
I
think
you
know
we
do
touch
upon
a
lot
of
things
and
it
is
hard
to
keep
up
with
all
of
the
policy
changes
that
occur.
You
know
and
things
that
ordinances
that
pass
at
the
city,
council
and
or
you
know,
policies
with
meru
and
so
certainly
some
sort
of
whether
it's
a
written
brief
or
a
periodic
in
person
not
well
virtual
or
whatever
session
I'm
I.
Don't
think
people
would
disagree
with
that.
Yeah.
J
No,
and
just
and
I
think
the
thing
I'd
say
is
just
that:
I
guess
part
of
what
I
was
saying
was
that
I
think
like
the
zba
board,
members
are
sort
of
like
no
matter
what
else
education
we
do.
You're,
also
sort
of
stuck
as
agents
of
the
cities
like
education
process
on
whatever
and
regardless
of
even
if
it's
not
like
sort
of
a
policy.
The
board's
adopted
being
able
to
say
oh
well,
like
the
re,
because
I
think
look.
J
The
reality
right
with
the
city
is
that
if
we,
if
we
grow
from
700
000
to
800
000
people,
those
people
can't
all
bring
in
cars
at
the
proportion
of
car
ownership
today,
because
until
we
get
flying
cars
and
they're
all
on
top
of
each
other
like
there's
just
not
the
throughput
space
and
it's
interesting,
sometimes
I.
Think
people
don't
necessarily
think
about
the
fact
that
actually
like.
J
A
So
just
a
couple,
quick
questions:
what
does
zoning
mean
to
you
as
it
stands,
and
what
does
rezoning
mean
for
you
if
you
can
just
answer
those
two
questions?
So
zoning
was
it's
as
it
stands,
pretty
much
everything
that
that's
that
gets
built
in
enabled,
especially
a
tight
neighborhood,
there's
a
there's,
a
need
for
variant
someplace,
which
brings
the
proponent
in
front
of
you
guys.
A
So
what's
your
thought
on
that
and
rezoning
rezoning
for
me,
we
would
probably
lose
in
these,
in
my
opinions,
somewhat
of
a
voice
where
now
that
that
single
family
or
three
family
on
five
thousand
square
feet
gets
knocked
down
and
it's
automatically
five
units
or
through
through
rezoning,
and
you
don't
have
to
go
too
deep
into
it.
But
if
you
can
just
if
you
have
any
thoughts
on
those
zoning,
now
everything
coming
in
front
of
you,
the
process
of
of
rezoning,
where
a
lot
less
I
think
will
be
in
front
of
the
zoning
boards.
D
D
So
you
know
so
like
I
mean
I,
guess
you're,
like
an
example,
might
help
so
like
are
you
saying
like,
for
example,
if
there
were
a
industrial,
Industrial,
Area,
Industrial,
District
and.
D
What
I'm
describing
okay,
what
I'm
about
to
describe
so
so,
if
there
were,
if
there
were
an
area
that
were
currently
considered,
let's
say
an
industrial
use
area
and
the
city
decided,
you
know
we.
We
want
to
look
at
the
perhaps
introducing
housing
there,
so
we
may
either
have
them
cohabitate
or
redistrict
or
I
mean
rezone.
Sorry,
something
like
that.
So
I
mean,
for
example,
where
I
live
and
I
live
in
South,
Bay
and
20
30
years
ago,
when
I
went
there
there
were,
there
were
no
residents,
it's
there
yeah
at
all
right.
D
Put
together
so
so
that
to
me
would
be
an
example
of
rezoning
both
of
what
I
just
said.
I
mean
zoning
is
working
within
the
existing
code
and,
and
you
know
the
the
interesting
thing
is
I
mean
a
lot
of
the
cases
that
come
before
us.
There
might
be
like
10
things
listed
as
as
code
violations,
but
you
know,
eight
of
them
might
be
pre-existing
conditions
and
so
I
guess
the
for
me.
D
It
would
be
helpful
to
know
know
that,
ahead
of
time
versus
looking
at
a
mammoth
list
and
being
like
Oh,
my
God
they're
violating
so
many
things
versus.
D
Setback
yeah,
like
those
are
those
are
often
I,
think
pre-existing
conditions
that
you
know
so,
when
they're
coming
in
they're
really
saying
well,
I
want
to
put
dormers
on
violating
the
far
or
something
like
that
right,
but
but
because
they
already
were
violating
everything
else.
Isd
does
not
distinguish
between
so.
A
So
if
you
have
a
setback,
violation
existing
that
gets
put
on
the
list
of
variances
that
you
need
to
to
apply
for,
if
I'm
doing,
dormas,
I.
D
Believe
any
any
existing
zoning.
A
D
I,
don't
I,
don't
know
if
I'm,
Pro
or
cautious
I
mean
I.
Think
a
good.
You
know
a
good
process
for
development.
Development
makes
sense,
you
know
they're,
so
I
don't
know.
That's.
D
E
Yeah
yeah
I
want
to
thank
you
again.
Sherry
and
I
want
to
make
hanzi
for
being
here
and
sort
of
a
lot
of
the
questions
are
getting
sort
of
targeted
at
you
all
because
you're
the
first
but
don't
take
it
as
I.
Don't
think
anyone
is
asking
a
a
question
based
on
your
record
and
I
hope.
You
didn't
take
that
based
on
me.
E
The
questions
are
being
asked
generally
because,
especially
a
lot
of
our
residents,
there's
a
lot
of
frustration
with
the
zba
process
in
general
and
and
up
to
a
point
as
to
something
that
I
think
this
is
where
you
were
getting
Jerry
and
I'm.
E
Not
sure
if
this
was
the
chair
that
was
coming,
your
lives
on
the
zba
would
be
made
a
lot
easier
if
we
had
a
really
a
process
that
was
planning
lead
where
folks
had
didn't
have
to
rely
on
variances
so
much
because
we
actually
had
plans
in
our
neighborhoods
that
people
could
follow,
and
that
was
really
that
would
predetermine
what
we
want
our
neighborhoods
to
look
like,
and
so
we
have
we're
building
a
city
via
variance
because
we
don't
have
the
a
strong
planning
vision
for
our
neighborhoods
and
so
I
think
I
I.
E
E
Okay,
that's
that's
the
only
clarification
point
that
I
wanted
to
make
Council.
A
G
G
So
it's
archaic,
so
we
are
doing
exactly
what
council
Louisiana
said,
which
is
zoning
by
variance
and
right
now
that
provides
unpredictability
for
the
residents
and
and
Builders
alike,
and
so
right
now
in
East
Boston
we're
actively
working
through
the
community
process
to
Define
what
our
ceiling
is,
we're
trying
to
figure
out
what
will
be
as
of
right.
What
will
the
neighborhood
be
comfortable
with
saying,
okay,
you
don't
have
to
go
through
the
community
process.
You
don't
have
to
go
to
the
zoning
board
of
appeals.
G
There
won't
be
hundreds
of
cases
coming
out
of
East
Boston,
where
it's
exhausting
for
you
and
the
residents.
So
right
now
we
are
figuring
that
out.
I
do
think
that,
because
of
past
actions
of
zba
members
and
and
just
this
institution
this
system
in
general,
there
was
a
lot
of
distrust.
So
what
I
am
getting
from
residents
is,
if
we
we
do
this,
if
we
rezone
to
be
instead
of
a
one
family,
two
to
two
and
a
half
stories
or
two
families
whatever
it
is,
it's
going
to
be
different
in
different
areas.
G
Just
as
a
on
the
record,
will
the
zba
abide
by
that?
G
H
D
Guess,
hanzi
and
I
are
like
the
most
senior
members
with
really
not
that
much
seniority,
so
I
mean
I
I,
think
to
be
to
be
fair.
I
would
want
to
hear
more
about
it
and
I
I
guess
I
would
I
would
want
to
defer
a
little
bit
to
ISD
in
particular,
because
you
know
we
are
we're
like
semi-volunteers
and,
and
you
know,
we
honestly
need
more
Direction,
whether
it's
from
ISD
or
bpda
or
both
I.
Think
that
would
be
helpful
in
terms
of
answering
your
question.
C
Really
speaking
so,
the
zoning
commission
creates
the
zoning
code.
Isd
enforces
the
zoning
code,
the
zba
grants
variances
or
conditional
uses
to
the
zoning
code.
So
regardless
of
what
the
code
itself
is,
if
it
is,
if
a
project
is
applied
for
that
is
a
violation
of
the
zoning
or
building
code,
ISD
will
refuse
it.
An
applicant
has
the
ability
to
appeal
that
decision
to
the
zba.
So
we
can
change
the
code
to
make
it
more
friendly
to
or
or
amenable
to
different
neighborhood
needs
or
uses
across
the
city.
C
There
will
always
be
a
need
for
the
board
to
hear
appeals
to
those
decisions
of
the
code,
so
as
code
officials
ISD
says
yes,
this
meets
all
of
the
code
requirements.
Here's
the
building
permit
or
this
doesn't
meet
the
code
requirements.
You're
refused
your
options
are
abandon
your
application
or
seek
relief
from
the
board
of
appeal.
Yeah.
C
So
usually
it's
the
BPD
that
will
present
a
petition
to
the
zoning
commission
to
say
these
are
the
changes
to
the
code
language.
Those
petitions
can
come
from
a
variety
of
sources,
but
they
will
go
from
the
bpda
to
the
bpda
board.
Then
they
will
be
recommended
to
the
zoning
commission.
Zoning
commission
will
take
that
up
the
Republic
hearing
process
either
adopt
or
reject
the
provisions
of
the
code,
and
then
it's
adopted
once
it's
adopted.
A
Would
enforce
that
plan?
Thank
you,
Chris.
Is
everybody
good
with
Sherry?
Thank
you
Sherry
you,
you
can
move
along
if
you
want
and
so
just
to
keep
moving
on.
If
Norm
Norm
Steinberg
there's
no
one
up
there
yeah
you
can
take
Sherry's
spot
and
and
him
hanzi
will
will
start
with
you.
Let
us
know
who
you
are
where
you
live,
whatever
you
think
is
pertinent,
then
we'll
get
into
questions
and
I.
Think
sorry,
but
I
think
what
you
heard
for
the
questions
around
are
going
to
be
sort
of.
K
K
K
K
I
now
am
a
proud
resident
of
Roslindale
and
I
also
work
in
Roslindale
I'm,
a
founder
of
studio,
Loose
Architects
I
am
one
of
the
few,
if
not
two
in
the
city
of
Boston,
that
is,
woman,
owned,
Latin
own
social
justice,
diversity
and
Equity
is
Central
to
my
practice.
In
ethos,
climate,
climate,
Justice
and
actions
are
critical
factors
in
correcting
some
of
the
wrongs
in
the
built
environment.
K
Access
to
clean
air,
food,
housing
and
water
are
essential
human
rights
and
is
my
deep
belief
that
it
should
be
reflected
in
how
we
build
and
live
in
our
Urban
environment.
I
have
a
training
in
architecture
from
Cornell
University
and
from
Harvard
Graduate
School
of
Design
I
am
currently
serving
in
the
city
of
Boston.
In
my
current
role
as
an
alternate
member
for
the
Zoning
Board
of
Appeals,
I
was
under
Marty
Walsh,
since
January
of
2021
I
have
appeared
in
front
of
the
zba
for
over
26
hearings.
K
I
have
completed
the
conflict
of
interest
training
for
the
mayor's
executive
order,
I'm
an
ethical
leader,
I'm,
honest
and
I'm
humble
I'm,
always
looking
at
projects
through
a
community
perspective
when
making
decisions,
I,
remove
the
eye
and
think
of
the
we
in
regards
to
project
impact
and
benefits,
When
developing
our
city
in
a
healthy
way,
without
displacement
and
equitably
across
all
of
Boston's
neighborhood.
Thank
you.
B
Thank
you
for
your
introduction
and
for
your
service
already
one
of
the
things
as
an
at-large
City,
councilor
and
I'm
at
all
the
neighborhoods,
and
it's
really
no
different,
no
matter
what
neighborhood
you're
in
it
always
seems
like
the
loudest
Voice
or
the
most
organized
group
can
get
the
message
across
and
then
quickly
learned
on
this
side
that
then
they
reach
out
to
like
my
office
to
get
my
support
or
the
opposite
to
stand
in
opposition.
So
wondering
and
I
know
like
the
Pope's.
B
Hill
is
a
civic
association
and
just
using
neighborhood
associations
where
I
live
and
Cedar
Grove
is
a
neighborhood
association
and
they
often
would
say,
like
the
civic
association,
doesn't
take
a
vote.
They
know
that
you
know
they
will
be
building
in
the
neighborhood,
but
they
don't
take
a
vote
at
the
civic
association,
the
neighborhood
association.
B
Does
people
are
a
little
gray
about
what
legally,
like
does
that
vote
mean
and
how
much
of
your
voice
will
be
heard
and
then
also
when
it
comes
to
you
know,
just
organizing
with
letters
or
showing
up
to
the
zoning
board
to
you
know
speak
in
favor
or
not,
but
at
the
end
of
the
day
you've
looked
at
the
plan.
You
probably
I
know
you
want
to
hear
I'm,
not
saying
people
don't
listen
to
it.
But
how
do
you
feel
about
that?
B
K
So
if
I
understand
correctly,
your
question,
Council
Murphy
you're,
asking
if
loudest
voice,
is
what
gets
projected
currently
on
the
screen
on
the
zba
hearings
and
how
do
I
ensure,
as
a
let's
say,
plan
reviewer
that
I
am
carrying
cross
community
concerns
across
a
particular
neighborhood.
K
So
what
I
tend
to
do
with
all
the
hearings
for
all
the
projects
is
I
tend
to
do
a
tally
of
all
the
letters
that
I
receive
and
support,
and
in
opposition
and
I
take
the
time
to
do
this,
because
I
know
that
many
that
are
working
cannot
be
present.
And
so
it's
extremely
important
that
I
take
the
majority
of
a
Project's
Community
feedback
and
have
that
as
a
heavyweight
towards
a
particular
motion
or
to
a
decision
when,
when
it's
called
upon.
B
B
That
way,
it
can
be
a
quick
to
sentence
email
but
or
there's
that
500
letters,
but
it's
the
same
letter
and
then
you
start
to
look
or
they
don't
put
their
address,
and
then
you
start
to
find
out
that
they
were
able
to
get
opposition
or
support
from
people
who
don't
even
live
close
to
or
in
a
butter
is
someone
who
may
have
the
same
ZIP
code
or
not
like
oh
I,
live
in
Dorchester,
but
you're
four
miles
the
other
way.
So
how
much
does
it
really
like
affect
this?
K
Murphy,
that's
a
really
great
observation.
What
is
really
nice
about
the
membership
of
the
zoning
board
of
appeals
is
that
you
have
a
chair
and
you
have
other
Representatives
that
have
particular
questions
and
typically,
at
the
end,
when
we
hear
a
case,
we
ask
the
community
members
that
are
mostly
impacted
by
the
development
and
I
would
say,
even
though
I'm
tallying,
all
the
support
and
the
opposition,
those
are
the
close
proximity
to
development
is
usually
the
ones
that
are
being
called
on
and
heard.
K
B
Thank
you
one
last
thing
and
I
would
love
everyone
when
it's
your
turn
to
kind
of
chime
in
when
are
we
going
away
from
Zoom
I
know
we
talk
about,
it
does
allow
some
people
access
that
may
not
have
it.
But
overall
it's
like
the
last
of
the
meetings
and
many
people
feeling
we've
had
I've
been
on
some
recently,
where
there's
300
people
waiting
to
talk
on
a
zoom
and
you
can't
see
each
other.
So
it's
you
don't
get
the
same,
feeling
so
wondering
what
your
feeling
is
on.
When
that
will
happen.
K
I
C
C
It'll
be
early
in
2023
when
we
return
to
in-person
hearings,
but.
B
F
Thank
you
Mr
chair
and
thank
you,
a
few
presentation
and
for
the
hard
work
and
dedication
that
you've
provided
the
residents
of
Boston
for
so
many
years.
F
I,
don't
I,
don't
necessarily
have
a
a
a
question,
maybe
just
a
maybe
just
a
quick,
a
quick
comment
or
a
question:
I
guess:
when
someone
comes
before
the
board,
what
is
the
whether
it's
an
attorney
or
or
residence?
What
is
the
most
important
information
that
person
is
giving
to
you
and
how?
How
can
they
be
the
most
effective
advocate
for
their
position?
What
are
you
looking
for
in
a
in
a
response.
K
When,
when
the
project
goes
before
us,
we're
looking
at
the
merits
of
the
project
and
what
is
the,
why
a
variance
is
being
requested,
what
harm
hardship,
not
harm,
what
hardship
is
being
articulated,
and
so
those
are
the
main
things
that
I
look
for
in
terms
of
whether
they
deserve
a
variance.
G
Thank
you,
chair
I've
made
my
questioning
more
concise,
so
I'll
ask
I,
have
four
okay
and
then
that
I
think
for
everybody's
sake.
We'll
just
do
it
one
by
one,
so
understanding
that
we
have
a
federal
obligation
under
the
1968
for
Housing,
Act
and
affirmatively
furthering
for
housing,
which
we
codified
in
zoning
code
in
2020
and
understanding
that
the
zba
is
a
major
role
to
play
in
reviewing
projects
that
don't
fall
under
the
article
80
process
at
the
bpda.
G
K
K
If
the
city
of
Boston,
which
is
striving
to
do
right
now,
which
is
to
increase
affordability,
I,
would
tend
to
ask
questions
in
terms
very
specific
questions
that
deal
with
affordability.
To
enhance
that
goal,
particularly
I.
Don't
think
all
projects
that
come
in
front
of
us
as
affordable
I
ask
them.
What
is
their
Ami?
K
What
percentage
is
deep
affordability
versus
100
Ami
and
trying
to
not
put
in
parking,
for
example,
so
I
think
what
I
tend
to
do
is
I.
Try
to
look
at
what
the
city
of
Boston
kind
of
mission
is
in
terms
in
terms
of
its
strategic
planning.
For
the
you
know,
my
understanding
is
to
be
climate,
ready
to
increase
affordability
and
to
enhance
our
public
transportation.
K
G
Yeah
will
you
practice
a
demonstrated
care
and
concern
for
Community
voice
when
people
take
the
time
out
of
their
day
to
advocate
for
their
Community
absolutely
last
question:
when
the
community
ultimately
defines
what
our
ceiling
is
in
East,
Boston
and
Charlestown,
and
what
we
will
allow
Builders
to
to
build.
As
of
right,
will
you
hold
the
line
and
honor
the
new
zoning
when
it
when
it
happens,.
K
If
a
neighborhood
put
forward
a
comprehensive
neighborhood
plan
that
wants
to
restrict
zoning
to
two
families,
for
example,
then
I
will
uphold
the
zoning
code
for
that
neighborhood,
but
I
also
want
to
say
this
is
now
personally,
not
me
as
a
zba
member
I
would
say
we
need
to
be
careful
with
how
we
need
to
look
at
it
historically,
what
the
zoning
code
did
to
our
neighborhoods,
which
was
to
racialize
neighborhoods
and
to
segregate
even
further
and
so
I'm,
hoping
that
the
leaders
that
create
that
neighborhood
comprehension
are
rezoning,
can
look
at
the
history
and
potentially
to
look
at
the
future
to
see
that
it
won't
create
future
harm,
for
particular
demographics
in
our
city,
that
was
my
personal
I
want
to
make
just
be
clear.
E
I,
don't
have
a
question
really
at
this
point,
but
I
do
appreciate
counselor
Colada's
questioning
with
regard
to
how
everyone
will
come
and
say
that,
like
financial
hardship
in
cry,
financial
hardship,
financial
hardship,
financial
hardship,
I
mean
if
they
know
that
that's
going
to
be
a
successful
argument,
then
they
are
going
to
proffer
it
and
so
I
do
think
that
we
need
to
really
reconsider
how
how
much
we
Grant
variances
based
on
financial
hardship,
I,
think
that
we
need
to
ensure
that
developers
are
really
calculating
and
thinking
about
the
costs
before
they
even
start.
E
You
know
putting
pen
to
paper
around
this
proposed
development,
especially
when
you,
when
you
see
that
you
know
these
developers
are
getting,
you
know,
are
making
a
good
living
off
of
these.
You
know
developments
that
require
variances.
That
often
aren't
you
know
providing
income
restricted
units
to
our
neighborhoods.
E
E
As
an
issue,
you
know
and
I
think
that
it's
tied
to
the
earlier
question
of
of
conflict
of
interest
I
think
that
we
still
have
a
lot
more
to
do
as
a
body
to
think
about
how
we
get
the
Zoning
Board
of
appeal
to
be
a
body
that
the
members
of
the
public
have
trust
and
faith
in
that
there
are
is
not
sort
of
inside
dealing
or
bribery,
as
we've
seen
in
the
past
that
members
and
again
not
not
not
yourself,
are
really
have
the
interest
of
of
the
community
at
large
at
hand
so
again,
I.
E
Thank
you
for
your
service.
Thank
you
for
your
commitment
to
the
city.
I
will
be
voting,
of
course
to
in
favor
just
want
to
make
sure
that
we
can
work
together
and
sort
of
planning.
You
know,
building
out
a
city
that
responds
to
two
things
that
are
we
hear
over
and
over
again
one
we
do
need
to
be
building
more.
E
We
need
to
be
make
sure
that
we
are
building
more
housing
and
we
need
to
make
sure
that
we're
building
more
income
restricted
housing
so
that
our
families,
especially
our
black
and
brown
families,
aren't
getting
pushed
out
of
this
city,
and
so
a
lot
of
that
work
is
on
us
on
the
city
council,
but
we
also
rely
on
you
once
it
gets
to
you
for
you
all
to
be
doing
the
work
of
the
city
as
well
and
to
be
doing
the
work
of
the
residents.
So
thank
you.
E
Thank
you
and
chair
I'm
going
to
I
will
I
will
leave,
but
at
my
members
of
my
team
will
be
we'll
be
watching
and
we'll
send
any
other
questions
we
have
to
you.
Thank
you.
Mr
chair.
H
Thank
you
chair
and
thank
you
Angie
for
all
your
service
for
the
city.
How
would
you
like?
How
do
you,
because
you
are
on
the
board?
How
do
you
maintain
consistency
and
granting
exemptions,
and
what
do
you
prioritize
and
when
you
come
to
your
decision.
K
In
terms
of
prioritizing,
it
goes
with
Community
Support,
so
I
think
that's,
that's
a
that's
an
easy
kind
of
win-win,
and
typically
in
the
article
80
process
by
the
bpda
it
before
it
gets
to
us,
it
should
have
gone
through
that
extensive
process
of
of
ensuring
that
there
is
consensus
within
the
neighborhood
to
build
this
development.
That's
what
I
would
prioritize
in
terms
of
consistency.
K
That's
a
really
good
question
and
I
would
say
to
go
back
to
I.
Think
was
a
counselor's
box
feedback
to
Sherry
in
terms
of
would
we
welcome
touch
points
in
terms
of
making
sure
that
we
understand
of
certain
certain
movements
that
we
should
support
within
within
our
membership?
K
I
would
I
would
say
that
what
I
would
recommend
is
at
a
higher
level
that
let's
take
Mary
Wu's
all-inclusive
Boston
as
a
vision?
How
does
that
get
carried
through
down
to
the
chief
of
planning,
Arthur
Jameson?
K
K
So
what
we're
seeing
is
where
there's
development,
where
there's
vacant,
land
and
I
think
may
use
Wu's
Citywide
land
audit
is
a
really
great
beginning
point
to
make
sure
that
there's
consistencies,
because
right
now
we're
just
making
decisions
on
the
case-by-case
basis,
but
we're
not
seeing
all
of
the
effects
of
our
decision
and
so
I
think
that's
what
I
would
recommend
for
the
zba.
J
J
Billboard
policy
like
and
questions
about,
variances
related
to
Billboards
and
and
I
would
editorialize
and
say
that
the
like
that
the
getting
a
billboard
somewhere
where
a
billboard
is
forbidden
in
the
city
of
Boston
is
almost
always
just
I
would
make
more
money
if
I
had
a
billboard
claim
like
I.
Think
it's
a
particularly
extreme
case
of
like
if
you
don't
think
that
just
making
less
money
is
a
hardship.
Then
it's
I
think
a
hard
case
to
make.
J
But
I
think
there's
been
some
frustration
on
the
community
side
that
over
the
years
the
the
bpda
had
developed
like
a
pretty
detailed
policy
around
Billboards
and
both.
Obviously
the
specific
zones
were
in
zoning
they're
allowed,
but
also
kind
of
like
what
the
parameters
would
be
for
considering
any
exceptions.
But
community
members
haven't
felt
like
everyone
on
the
zba
is
always
even
aware
of
of
that
policy
and
again
with
folks
changing
right
in
musical
chairs
Etc.
So
that
would
just
be
another
example
of
like
to
me.
K
To
take
that
example,
Council
block,
for
example,
as
an
architect
I,
look
at
where
the
billboard
as
a
conditional
use
can
be
done
in
our
neighborhood,
but
I
would
say
not.
Everyone
is
an
architect
and
so
I
think
there
needs
to
that's
where
I
would
make
sure
that
in
the
public
testimony
I
can
provide
that
groundwork
and
peace
and
information
to
our
members.
So
they
can
make
it
decisive.
They
can
make
a
decision
as
well
on.
J
You
know
I
think
that
there's
one
thing
that
just
frustrates
a
resident
if
the
zba
votes
differently
than
they
were
hoping
they'd
vote,
that's
a
very
natural
human
Dynamic,
but
I
think
I.
Think
part
of
what
we
want
for
people
to
have.
Confidence
in
the
zba
is
a
sort
of
sense
of
consistency
and
a
sense
of
like
oh,
like
they're
they're,
making
the
decision
against
a
background
like
perspective
on
this
policy
that
exists.
Yeah.
K
And
also
Jeff
Hampton
from
the
bpda
does
provide
everyone
here
would
or
whip
a
ride.
Everyone
here
kind
of
a
briefing
for
us,
no
and
so
yeah.
It's
just
that.
That
briefing
sometimes
comes
with
an
opinion.
J
I
think
you,
in
relation
to
counselor
Coletta
sort
of
already
spoke
to
affordable
housing,
but
if
you
had
anything
else
to
say
on
kind
of
my
my
other
question
which
is
just
about
you
know
it's
about
like
support
for
Expediting,
affordable
housing
and
then
also
kind
of
this.
Obviously
the
specific
instance
was
the
parking
minimum
and
again
just
you
know.
Obviously,
removing
parking
minimums
is
not
the
same
as
removing
parking.
K
Council
Buck
I
think
it
was
an
excellent
move
to
remove
the
parking
requirement
for
affordable
housing,
because
that
seems
to
be
the
most
contentious
component
within
the
community
of
where
the
development
is
happening
and
I'm
reminded
of
once
representative
Russell
Holmes
once
said.
If
I
had
to
pick
between
housing,
a
family
or
parking
I
would
go
with
housing.
The
family
and
I
have
to
agree
with
him
great
thank.
J
A
Thank
you,
everybody's
good,
just
a
couple
questions
from
me
good
afternoon.
Thank
you
for
coming
out.
You
said
you
were
in
front
of
the
the
board
yourself
professionally
26
times.
A
K
K
Okay,
I
was
basically
letting
you
know
that,
even
though
I
was
an
alternate
I
was
an
active
participant
asked
to
be
present
at
least
once
a
month.
Since
my
appointment
under
wash
okay.
A
Thank
you.
So
what
was
your
process
for
the
Society
of
Architects
like?
How
did
they
come?
Did
this
Administration,
give
that
give
your
name
to
them
and
then
they've
added
you
can.
K
You
just
talk
to
them,
so
the
process
was
the
first
process
in
2020.
There
was
a
call
from
our
Professional
Organization,
the
Boston
Society
of
Architects,
asking
if
any
of
us
would
be
interested
to
sit
on
the
Boston
zoning
Board
of
Appeals,
and
you
know,
for
20
years,
I've
been
an
activist,
an
educator
and
after
the
murder
of
George
Floyd.
It
propelled
me
to
take
all
of
the
activism
that
I
was
doing
in
Academia
and
to
begin
to
share
it
with
the
city
that
I
love.
K
So
that's
when
I
put
forward
an
interest
to
the
Boston
study
of
Architects
and
my
name
was
put
forward
under
mayor
Wu.
The
Boston
study
of
Architects
reached
out
to
me
to
ask
if
I
would
consider
to
sit
on
it
continuously
again
and
be
no.
At
that
moment.
I
had
no
idea
that
I
was
going
to
be
a
full
member
until
the
news
actually
broke
out.
That
was
putting
my
name
for
as
a
full
member.
Okay.
A
K
To
me,
for
me,
that's
a
very
easy
question,
which
is
for
development
without
displacement,
and
so
the
for
development
without
displacement,
meaning
I,
see
it
as
a
tool
for
economic
development
for
the
city
and
its
residents.
If
it's
done
well
and
if
the
process
is
done
well,
yeah.
A
Sometimes
you
hear
about
projects
displacing
when
they
were
on
large
Apostles,
there's
no
there's
no
housing
there
or
whatever,
like.
How
would
you
view
something
like
that?
A
five
acre
parcel
in
the
middle
of
a
of
a
neighborhood
that
okay.
K
So
I
was
really
excited
when
past
mayor
Janie
had
put
forward
this
idea
and
notion
of
adding
a
impact
statement
with
all
large
development
projects
and
I
thought.
Finally,
someone
really
thought
through
in
terms
of
how
we
can
begin
to
assess
a
development
currently
I
believe
that
job
is
now
under
the
bpda.
So
I
am
hoping
that
the
bpda
is
doing
its
job
by
ensuring
that
there
is
not
a
large
displacement.
That's
happening
within
a
particular
demographic.
A
I,
have
a
I
have
a
project
in
front
of
me
not
in
front
of
me,
but
it's
bpda
being
held
up
on
letters
that
were
basically
collected
like
we
had
like
Council
Murphy
had
talked
about
earlier,
basically
at
stock
market
shop
and
shop,
where
you
sign
this
or
you
sign
that
and
I,
don't
think
that
that's
a
great
way
to
do
it,
but
they're
putting
huge
weight
on
oh
well.
We
got
700
700
signatures
on
a
form
letter
that
you
know
we
really
weren't
explaining
in
in
depth.
A
You
don't
really
get
into
the
project
and
then
the
flip
side
of
that
I
have
another
project
that,
because
it's
a
an
affordable
project,
700
people
show
up
in
a
room
and
it
feels
like
that's
kind
of
sail
through.
So
where
is
the
balance
in
that
like
to
is?
Is
700
letters
from
like
an
organization?
That's
in
favor
mean
more
than
the
700
bodies
that
are
in
there
opposing
something.
A
K
Yeah
I
think
when
you
see
a
generic
letter
and
is
signed
700
times
yeah,
you
just
acknowledge
that
versus
personal
impactful
letters
that
are
done
by
a
particular
residents
that
might
have
a
way
more
just
because
it's
someone
took
the
time
to
actually
write.
It
I
think
this
is
where
there
is
a
process
for
knowledge
development
under
the
bpda
that
ensures
that
community
members
are
being
heard
and
met
throughout
the
transformations
of
those
Pro
of
that
project.
Yeah.
A
And
in
that
process
I'm
seeing
a
lot
more
of
the
people
that
are
closer
to
the
project.
Maybe
this
is
just
my
experience.
People
are
closer
to
the
projects
are
being
drowned
out
by
people
that
are
more
Advocate
types
coming
in
and
and
advocating
on
it,
not
necessarily
A,
really
local
sort
of
more
more
of
a
gender
items,
and
that
concerns
me
Gravely.
It
would
be
nice
to
see
that
the
zoning
board
be
able
to
separate.
I
A
You
know
who's
a
paid
Advocate
coming
in
here
and
and
and
just
opposing
this
project
for
whatever
and
who
actually
lives
here.
Those
sorts
of
things
as
as
a
district
city
council
that
people
are
asking
me
to
weigh
in
I,
have
to
weigh
it.
Just
like
you
have
to
wait
so
I,
don't
know
if
you
have
anything
to
say
on
that
or
we
just
leave
it
alone.
K
No
thank
you,
chair,
Baker
I
would
just
say
that
we
also
rely
heavily
on
hearing
from
the
city
councilors,
and
all
of
you
are
very
diverse
in
terms
of
your
opposition
or
support,
and
also
as
well
as
the
mayor's
neighborhood
Liaisons
in
terms
of
how
they've
been
also
reading
the
room.
So
we
take
that
into
consideration
to
weigh
it,
but
I'm
glad
that
you're
bringing
this
up
to
notice.
A
Well,
yeah
yeah,
so
the
mayor's
the
mayor's
office
has
been
not
taking
positions
on
them.
So
where
is
the
director?
Do
you?
Are
you
guys
receiving
any
direction?
We
think
that
this
is
a
good
project.
Is
it
really
five,
however,
many
people
sitting
up
there
you're
on
your
own,
because
you
only
have
the
I
mean
you're,
the
architect
on
the
board.
Correct,
correct
you'll,
get
the
plans
a
week
before
so
you're
able
to
look
at
hundreds
of
plans
in
a
week
and
come
up
with
a
decision.
Where
are
you?
K
A
A
You
and
we'll
move
right
on
to
Giovanni
and
Chevelle
if
you
want
to
come
down
and
take
the
next
seat
here,
Giovanni,
who
are
you?
Where
are
you
from
what
makes
you
the
best
person
to
lead
this
zoning
board?
Tell
us
about
you
and
then
we'll
start.
The
questioning
thank.
L
You
chairman,
Baker
and
members
of
the
city
council
and
follow
fellow
bostonians.
My
name
is
Giovanni
Valencia
and
I
am
a
Boston
resident.
I
am
originally
from
Bogota
Colombia
and
moved
to
the
U.S.
16
years
ago,
since
I
moved
to
Boston,
I
have
lived
with
my
family
in
with
Roxbury,
where
I
was
a
tenant
for
11
years
and
finally
had
the
opportunity
to
become
a
first-time
homebuyer
a
few
years
ago
and
married
and
have
and
have
two
children
both
of
them
attend.
L
L
L
It
is
an
or
not
for
me
to
be
considered
as
a
potential
member
of
the
Sony
Board
of
Appeals
I'm,
confident
that
my
expertise
and
my
experience
in
urban
Affairs,
Civic
engagement
and
Community
organizing
will
be
useful
to
the
Boston
Community
if
my
appointment
is
supported
by
the
city
council.
Thank
you
very
much.
Sharing
members
of
the
city
council.
G
Thank
you
Geo.
It's
good
to
see
you
same
question
as
everybody
else.
I
guess
we'll
go
through
it
one
by
one.
Will
you
ensure
your
standards
for
use
permits,
variances
and
exceptions
will
include
considerations
of
impacts
on
affordability,
furthering
for
housing,
preventing
eviction
and
displacement
and
addressing
the
climate
change
crisis
and
environmental
justice.
L
They
hold
the
Intercity
of
Boston.
Climate
change
is
one
of
the
new
components
on
the
development
process
that
we
have
been,
including
in
my
work
as
Community.
Organizing
organizer
and
I
I
really
understand
that
the
entire
Community,
regardless
of
their
background,
needs
to
be
part
of
the
conversations
about
affordability,
displacement
of
gentrification
and
climate
change.
Because
at
this
moment
we
are,
as
my
fellows
appointees
mentioned
before.
We
are
probably
approving
or
reviewing
project
by
project
at
this
moment.
L
But
we
need
to
find
a
way
to
see
the
city
as
a
whole
to
find
ways
to
guarantee
development
for
the
entire
city
and
to
ensure
that
the
Sorting
code
is
something
that
we
can
rely
on
that
we
we
can
expect
something
that
we
understand.
What
is
where
the
planning
is
going
and
that
nobody
will
be
surprised
by
decisions
made
by
the
bpda
or
the
CVA
as
well.
L
We
will
have
to
see
every
project
individually,
but
what
I
can
tell
you
now
is
that
my
first
project
when
I
became
a
housing,
organizer
I
started
in
2014..
That
project
was
finished
this
year.
So
actually,
almost
eight
years
after
that
and
as
a
non-profit,
we
saw
that
the
cost
of
the
project
increased
exponentially,
especially
during
covet
hardship,
was
not
a
consideration
when
we
were
going
through
a
permitting
process.
I
think
that
those
projects
are
going
to
be
part
of
the
city
of
Boston
for
many
many
years,
and
we
have
to
consider
the
context.
L
The
neighborhood,
the
input
from
the
community
and
in
local
organizations
and
the
financial
considerations
are
things
that
developers
have
to
consider
when
they
are
proposing
projects.
But
we
as
a
potential
board
members
with
the
Sony
Board
of
appeal.
We
have
to
look
at
the
context
and
think
about
how
that
project
is
going
to
benefit
or
or
jeopardize
the
local
community
for
the
long
term.
G
Thank
you
and
I
just
want
to
preface
this
question
question
by
saying
that
I
know
what
your
background
is.
I
know
that
you
have
organized
the
community
before
and
even
when
we
were
developing
the
home
rule
petition.
That
is
still
at
the
state
house
right
now
to
include
a
housing
advocate
on
the
board
and
expanding
the
board.
G
At
some
point,
we
were
thinking
primarily
having
somebody
from
a
c
from
CDC
and
from
the
the
housing
organizing
world,
but
just
to
be
consistent,
will
you
practice
a
demonstrated
care
and
concern
for
Community
voice
when
people
take
time
out
of
their
day
to
advocate
for
their
neighborhood.
L
Considered
part
of
my
my
job
is
to
ensure
that
community
members
are
part
of
those
processes
that
they
understand
what
housing
is.
What
planning
is
how
the
permitting
process
works
in
that
they,
they
feel
that
they
have
a
voice
that
they
can't
represent
their
own
families,
their
their
neighborhood
in
this
kind
of
meetings
and
settings.
L
Unfortunately,
many
residents
are
not
able
to
come
to
a
hearings
to
come
to
a
BPD
adherence
or
the
zoning
board
of
appeals,
because
they
are,
they
have
two
or
three
jobs
because
of
a
language
or
access
limitations,
and
we
have
to
work
harder
to
ensure
that
all
of
them,
renters
and
home
buyers
can
participate.
If
the
meetings
are
in
person,
they
have
to
be
welcome
to
participate.
If
we
find
a
hybrid
model
that
we
allow
them
to
be
at
work
and
also
take
a
few
minutes
to
I
should
recommend.
L
We
have
to
open
those
opportunities
for
them,
but
I
will
do
my
best
as
a
community
organizer
and
as
a
member
of
the
community
to
ensure
that
all
voices
are
present
in
that
we
hear
from
everybody
not
only
from
the
experts
or
from
our
organizations.
G
Thank
you
and
last
question:
will
you
hold
the
line
when
we
rezone
East,
Boston
and
Charlestown.
L
I
think
if
I
remember
correctly,
the
JP
rocks
planning
process
was
the
first
planning
process
in
Boston
after
more
than
50
years,
community
members,
Neighbors
residents
local
organizations,
attended
meetings
for
over
two
years
to
be
part
of
this
planning
process,
similar
to
the
plan
that
you
are
advancing
in
East
Boston.
That
was
an
opportunity
for
the
whole
Community
to
understand
more
about
development,
housing,
IDP,
etc,
etc,
and
we
are
looking
forward
to
see
that
the
jpr
JP
rocks
plan
is
incorporated
into
a
zoning
code.
L
I'm,
not
sure
that
that
plan
is
actually
part
of
its
own
include
at
this
moment,
so
in
court.
At
this
moment,
after
so
many
years
of
the
planet
being
finished
and
I'm,
really
looking
forward
to
see
what
what
is
the
end
result
of
the
East
Boston
plan,
I
started.
L
My
My
Life
as
a
community
organizer
in
Boston
and
I,
have
seen
the
changes
and
I
think
that
some
accountability
from
institutions
to
a
residents
will
be
great
if
they
know
if
they
know
what
the
plan
is,
what
they
can
expect
for
the
next
10
or
20
years.
That
will
really
ensure
that
those
families
can
stay
there
and
more
families
can
move
into
that
neighborhood.
So
I
think
I
want
to
go
back
to
my
initial,
mentioning
about
the
JP
rocks.
Who
say
that
this
is
part
of
Master
planning.
A
You
want
to
talk
about
the
JP
rocks,
is
it
codified
into
language
or
where
it
is
or
you
can't.
You
can't
you're,
not
really
sure
that
would
be
a
bpda
okay,
better!
Thank
you.
Council
block.
J
Thank
you,
Mr,
chair,
Geo,
want
to
also
say
thanks
so
much
for
being
here
and
really
appreciate
your
affordable
housing
work
also
got
to
be
a
little
bit
coordinated
with
that
when
I
was
at
BHA,
so
I.
One
of
my
questions
is,
you
know,
sort
of
about
lifting
parking
minimums
for
affordable
housing
and
kind
of
just
in
general,
Expediting
the
affordable
housing
process.
J
If
you
have
anything
you
can
say
on
that,
and
then
the
second
one
again
would
just
be
your
commitment
to
kind
of
like
participating
in
attending
like
policy
briefings
to
the
extent
that
we
can
get
a
better
system
going
for
just
making
sure
that
the
city,
when
it
when
it's
making
those
like
judgments
and
setting
out
those
policies
that
the
zba
is
getting
updated
on
them.
L
We
have
projects
that
were
delayed
because
we
didn't
have
enough
parking
for
all
housing
projects,
I
mean
because
we
didn't
have
enough
parking
based
on
what
the
consoling
code
required
some
of
the
projects
you
can
see.
Now
that
presents
you
the
parking,
but
that
is
not.
That
was
not
really
the
main
interest
for
the
residents
to
apply
to
a
lottery
parking
is
expensive
to
build
at
this
I.
L
Don't
remember,
I,
don't
know
the
numbers
at
this
moment,
but
last
year
we
were
reviewing
some
numbers
that
saying
that
surface
parking
can
cost
thirty
thousand
dollars
to
build
in
underground
parking
can
cost
eighty
thousand
dollars
to
build
so
especially
for
affordable
housing.
If
you
are
requiring
organizations
to
build
x,
amount
of
units
and
lower
the
the
IDP,
the
Ami,
and
also
build
parking,
you
are
not
really
making
those
projects
visible
now
for
private
developers,
it's
a
little
bit
different
because
probably
they
have
a
lot
more
resources
to
build
that
housing.
L
I
believe
that
transition
oriented
development
is
a
great
tool
that
we
have
to
increase
density
in
neighborhoods,
neighborhood
Square
transients
have
access
to
public
transportation,
but
Boston
is
going
through
a
huge
housing
crisis.
At
this
moment
and
I
think
as
a
city,
we
have
to
consider
the
pros
and
cons
of
required
developers
to
build
more
and
more
parking
or
using
door
resources
to
increase
the
number
of
units
and
especially
to
deeper
the
affordability
levels,
so
that
is
in
terms
of
a
parking
now
for
policy.
I
am
learning
I
didn't
know
anything
about
this.
L
A
few
years
ago,
my
colleagues
had
a
couple
of
years
of
expertise
as
part
of
the
Sony
Board
of
Appeals
I'm
learning
about
development,
articulate
Etc.
That
is
what
I
do
for
a
living
and
I
believe
that
this
is
an
opportunity
that
we
should
pass
to
all.
The
neighborhoods
residents
should
have
the
opportunity
to
understand
development
before
they
come
to
Advocate
for
the
project
that
they
are
going
to
impact
their
neighborhoods.
L
So
I
will
be
more
than
happy
to
participate
in
policy
very
famous
or
hearings,
especially
because
I
need
more
information
before
making
those
important
decisions.
As
a
board
memory
from
supported
by
the
city
council,
great.
A
L
I
G
A
A
And
something
I
think
about
maybe
for
the
for
the
architect.
How
much
time
do
you
think
is
right
for
you
to
be
able
to
have
plans?
How
much
time
do
you
get
to
to
spend
with
I
thought
that
when,
in
the
talk
of
the
zoning
board,
I
thought
that
a
couple
people
should
be
full-time
city
employees
when
you're
dealing
with
large
projects-
and
we
talk
about
where
do
you
get
your
guidance
from
you?
A
C
A
A
On
the
board
has
those
for
at
least
a
minimum
of
14
days
and
okay.
Thank
you.
So
if
we
had
talked
a
lot
about
how
you
weigh
sort
of
advocacy,
how
do
you
deal
with
a
project
that
you
know
is
a
good
project,
maybe
in
a
neighborhood
that
you
care
deeply
for,
but
you
have
Advocates
that
you'll
connect
connected
to
yelling
at
you
to
deny
this
project?
L
That
doesn't
happen
in
the
past
yeah.
What
I
can
tell
you
is
we
I
think
the
board
members
will
have
the
responsibility
to
review
every
project,
one
by
one,
yeah
review
the
context
and
the
history.
We
need
to
rely
on
the
information
provided
by
by
this.
The
ISD
and
the
bpda
14
days
seems
like
a
long
a
long
time,
but
I
had
been
part
of
projects
that
spent
three
or
four
or
five
years
in
during
the
planning
process.
L
If
I
can
I
will
visit
the
neighborhood
see
the
the
the
context
and
I
will
base
my
opinion
on
what
I
can
see
and
in
review
from
those
documents
and
what
I
hear
at
the
hearings
from
the
community
members
and
the
proposed
the
proponents.
Of
course,
we
have
to
take
into
consideration
the
ethics,
the
transparency
and
I
understand
that
board
members
cannot
engage
with
developers
or
proponents,
so
I
will
stay
clean
and
clear
and
I
will
base
my
decision
based
on
the
information
presented
to
us
and
what
I
can
research
myself?
Okay,.
L
Yes,
counselor,
they
are
absolutely
I'm
thinking
about
all
the
seniors
in
my
neighborhood.
Some
of
them
live
in
very
large
homes
and
they
don't
want
to
live,
but
also
they
don't
need
four
or
five
bedrooms
if
they
have
those
and
they
are
considering
the
possibility
to
build
and
in
law
apartment
for
them
to
stay
there
and
bring
their
children
for
the
next
few
years.
But
the
swimming
code
doesn't
allow
that
or
the
regulations
are
very
hard
for
them
to
or
even
try.
So
I
think.
L
That
is
an
opportunity
that
we
should
consider
is
not
a
mandate
that
anybody
has
to
divide
their
homes
in
two
or
three.
If
this
is
passed,
I
think
that
ideas
are
a
great
opportunity
to
provide
some
additional
density,
especially
where
we
have
enabled
in
neighborhoods
where
we
have
very
big
homes,
and
there
is
an
opportunity
for
families
to
bring
a
loved
one,
their
mom
under
that
or
create
an
apartment
for
a
kid
who
is
going
to
go
into
college
and
is
not
able
to,
especially
in
Boston,
to
rent
their
own
apartment.
A
M
Things
first
of
all,
I'd
like
to
thank
the
mayor
for
this
opportunity.
I
also
like
to
thank
the
chair
and
the
councils.
This
evening
my
name
is
Alan.
Langham
I
was
married
for
34
years,
but
I
lost
my
wife
to
cancer.
I
have
two
children:
I
am
a
member
of
Labor's
Local
Union
22
of
North
America,
my
Affiliated
local
is
22.
I
have
40
years
in
experience
in
construction
field.
M
My
experience,
including
working
as
a
labor
in
an
auditor
presently
I,
serve
on
the
executive
board
and
I
am
a
shop
story
for
the
past
25
years.
I
dedicate
myself
to
helping
people
adjust
the
company
culture
and
helping
them
feel
value
in
their
roles.
I
am
a
longtime
resident
of
city
of
Boston
I
graduated
from
Boston
Public
Schools
I'm,
fascinated
about
my
family
being
involved
in
the
community.
M
I
participate
in
programs
to
feed
the
elderly,
I
coach,
basketball,
I
coach
football
I,
also
coached
at
Madison
Park
High,
School
I
was
recognized
by
the
Boston
Red
Sox
for
my
Organization
for
achievements
in
the
community.
My
belief
system
is
faith-based
active
I'm,
an
active
member
and
Grant
AME
Episcopal
Church
for
15
years
I
held
various
leadership's
position.
G
M
G
You
so
much
for
being
here
and
we
all
love
the
Local
22
as
well.
So
thank
you
as
well
for
your
work
through
that
organization.
Okay,
so
my
questions
same
for
everybody
has
to
be
consistent.
Will
you
ensure
your
standards
for
use
permits,
variance,
as
an
exception
will
include
consideration
of
impacts
to
affordability,
furthering
for
housing,
preventing
a
victim
eviction
and
displacement
and
addressing
climate
change.
M
Yes,
I
will,
as
far
as
you
know,
housing
in
the
city
of
Boston,
I,
I
own,
a
house
or
two
and
I
know
people
that
own
houses.
M
Rent
in
the
city
is
of
Boston
I.
Think
with
some
of
these
landlords
is
really
getting
out
of
hand,
and
you
know
people
and
I'ma
say
my
community
is
kind
of
hard
for
them
to
make
their
rent.
You
know
so
so
I
I
hope
somehow
some
way
we
can
address
that
issue
is
fight
father's
climate
control,
I'm,
pretty
I'm.
All
for
that.
M
That's
kind
of
like
a
tough
question
for
a
construction
record,
but
no
I,
it's
supposed
to
be
right.
Gosh.
You
know,
you
know
hardship.
A
lot
of
people
come
in
with
hardships
just
so
they
can
get
what
they
need
and
I
and
I
went
up,
oppose
the
hardship,
but
I
would
have
to
make
sure
I
look
at
everything
before
I
make
a
decision
and
basically
I
know
I
couldn't
make
a
decision
unless
I
take
a
talk
to
the
board.
M
Yes,
I
would
that's
something
that
I
do
in
my
community
today:
I,
listen
as
being
involved
in
the
church
that
I
am
I,
always
listen
to
my
community
and
I'm.
Basically,
here
and
I
hope,
I'm
saying
the
right
thing:
I'm
here
for
the
city
of
Boston
and
for
the
community.
G
Thank
you
and
in
terms
of
planting
spots
and
plant
Charlestown,
I,
think
just
just
in
general.
We've
heard
from
multiple
folks
now
that
there
is
a
need
for
policy
briefings
and
just
to
be
constantly
aware
of
what
is
happening
in
the
community
and
when,
especially
as
it
relates
to
strategic
planning
and
I,
think
we
saw
a
gap
when,
when
the
residents
of
Boston
voted
to
have
cannabis
facilities
in
Boston
and
I
think
that
there
was
a
lot
of.
G
Obviously
it
was
emerging
in
industry,
but
I
think
there
was
a
lot
of
confusion.
So
sign
me
up
for
those
policy
briefings
and
I
do
understand.
I
mean
my
world
is
East
Boston
Charleston
in
the
north,
and
that's
my
district,
but
I
understand
that
that's
not
your
world
right.
So
right
now
play
any
spots
and
playing
Charlestown
is
going
through
we're
rezoning.
G
M
A
A
You
does
anybody
either
of
you
have
questions
for
Chris
now
before
I.
Let
him
go
Chris,
Chris.
J
Just
one
quick
thing
would
just
be
to
underscore
and
I
know:
Chris
already
knows
this
is
my
view,
but
that
obviously
one
of
the
things
that
I
would
hope
for
is
that
you're.
You
know
your
office
could
help
to
facilitate,
like
some
more
like
kind
of
regular
sessions
of
these
policy
briefings
that
the
right
hand
has
some
idea
what
the
left
hand
is
doing.
I.
A
That
was
it,
so
Chris
can
go
now,
Chris
you're
good.
Thank
you.
Thanks
for
having
me
and
Council
block
you're
questioning
for
Mr
Langham.
J
Oh
yeah,
yes,
thank
you,
Mr
Langham
and
thanks
thanks
for
being
here
from
our
our
Union
World
appreciate
it
just
the
same
question.
So
first
one
just
tagging
on
to
that
is
just
about.
You
know
your
willingness
to
attend
like
if
the
basically
again
you're
walking
into
this
as
a
new
person,
but
we've
just
had
this
history,
where
I
think
zoning
board
members
have
felt
like
kind
of
blindsided
by
new
city
policy,
stuff
and
then
City.
J
You
know
and
then
folks
have
felt
frustrated,
wait,
I,
thought
the
city
got
behind
this
thing
or
had
a
policy
on
this,
and
then
the
zba
discussion
doesn't
necessarily
reflect
an
awareness
of
it.
So
that's
really
what
I'm
trying
to
push
to
fix
but
to
fix
it.
I
think
like
it
takes
all
of
your
willingness
to
actually
like
attend
those
kinds
of
things
and
and
and
get
some
of
that
briefing.
So
is
that
something
you'd
be
willing
to
do.
Yeah.
M
J
Yeah
and
I,
and
I
also
think
that
you
know
for
what
it's
worth,
our
our
zoning
board
being
a
little
more
consistent,
sometimes
on
policy,
and
it's
tough,
because
obviously
Everybody
by
definition,
is
coming
to
you
for
variances
they're,
exceptions
right,
but
in
terms
of
like
lawsuits
that
come
against
CBA
decisions
and
whether
they're,
sustained
or
not,
I
think
in
a
lot
of
cases.
If
we
had
a
more
consistent
pattern,
it
would
be
harder
for
those
to
get
sustained.
J
So
that's
another
part
of
my
interest
in
just
helping
make
it
all
more
predictable
and
then
my
other
question
was
just
about
like
this
question
of
kind
of
you
know,
there's
this
parking
minimums
lifting
specifically
for
affordable
housing,
but
just
in
general
kind
of
you
know
the
effort
to
to
try
to
expedite,
affordable
housing
development,
and
you
know
find
places
where
maybe
it
does
make
sense
to
Grant
variances
because
of
that
goal.
M
Affordable
housing
I
mean
that's,
that's,
that's
wonderful,
I
mean
the
city.
This
city
I
think
we
need
more
housing,
but
I
I
me
myself.
I
did
quite
a
few
projects
over
the
years
and
and
it
was
promised
so
many
parking
spots,
but
the
project
kind
of
got
too
big
and
they
kind
of
eliminated.
M
J
J
The
challenge,
of
course,
is
that
like
I
was
saying
earlier,
there's
only
so
much
throughput
we
can
put
on
the
street
so
actually,
for
instance,
like
in
Fenway,
one
of
the
neighborhoods
I
represent
the
residents
are
really
fighting
to
reduce
the
amount
of
parking
that
new
projects
add,
because
we
know
that
that's
actually
bringing
cars
in
from
outside
of
the
Fenway
and-
and
we
want-
we
frankly
want
you
know,
there's
a
brand
new
Commuter
Rail
station
right
there
across
from
the
ballpark,
like
we
kind
of
want
a
new
lab
that
goes
up
there
to
be
telling
its
people,
like
hey,
plan
on
parking
at
the
park
and
ride
and
taking
the
commuter
rail
and
don't
plan
on
a
spot
in
here.
J
So
it's
all,
contextual
right,
but
I
think
I.
Think
that's
the
tricky
bit
is
is
both
the
evidence
that,
with
a
lot
of
the
affordable
developments,
historically,
the
parking's
been
underutilized
just
because
people
not,
as
has
as
high
of
a
proportional,
low-income
population,
has
cars.
But
then
you
know
this
issue
about
places
where,
by
if
you
build
it,
they
will
come,
but
you
actually
don't
want
them
to
come
because
you
want.
You
know
there
to
be
some
space
for
the
for
the
folks
who
already
have
cars
in
the
area.
J
I
think
those
are
all
my
questions.
Thanks.
A
You
know
situation
and
you
know
practically
everybody
that
you
talk
to
wants
to
say:
let's
get
rid
of
the
parking
but
I'm
more
in
line
with
you,
I
think
I.
Think
we've
got
to
figure
out
how
we,
how
we
people
that
want
to
drive,
are
able
to
park.
Someplace
I
mean
the
union
households
in
Dorchester,
where
I'm
from
where
you're
from
you're
a
carpenter
you're
not
carrying
your
stuff
on
the
train.
No
so
I
mean
there's
got
to
be
some
kind
of
balance
there.
A
Just
for
your
ratification,
I'd
like
to
hear
it
from
you.
You
know
that
that
we
are
gonna,
you
know
not
everything
is
going
to
be
zero
parking
and
pass
it
along.
So
we
talked
a
little
bit
earlier
about
and
you
heard
it
how
to
weigh
things.
Is
it
you
know
in
in
a
situation
that
I'm
coming
across
a
lot
of
is
that
is
that
that
petition
driven
Here
sign
this
sign
that
sign
that
the
real
person
that
lives
next
door
or
the
or
the
people
who
live
around
it?
A
And
this
is
just
more
of
a
plea
to
you:
I
would
think
that
they
would
weigh
a
little
more
than
just
signatures
that
were
collected
at
Stopman
shop
and
and
stock
market.
So
I,
don't
think
I
have
anything
else
for
you,
no
I'm,
good,
okay,
I'm
good,
so
I
think
is
it
Wendy,
Katie
yeah
you
can
come
down
and
take
you
can
come
down
and
take.
M
A
N
You
Council
Baker,
thank
you
for
not
have
making
me
give
myself
in
trouble,
because
I
was
going
to
correct
you
on.
A
N
A
problem-
thank
you.
My
name
is
Norm
Stembridge
I'm
I
was
born,
raised
and
still
live
in
the
city
of
Boston.
My
life
has
been
spent
in
neighborhoods
of
Roxbury
and
Dorchester
I'm,
a
graduate
of
Norfolk
State
University,
a
historically
black
College
University
in
Norfolk
Virginia,
okay,
I'm
I'm,
an
old
graduate
of
the
Norfolk
State
in
person
after
graduating,
from
Norfolk
State
I
returned
to
Boston
in
1976..
N
N
Still
two
separate
things:
oh
okay,
but
the
the
facility
in
Columbia
point
where
I've
worked
for
years,
split
between
Santander
and
Bank
of
America,
so
my
30
plus
year
banking
career
was
something
called
in
something
called
data
processing
before
the
internet,
but
for
a
client
server
technology.
N
When
some
computers
were
as
big
as
this
room,
I
see,
while
working
at
the
bank
I
began,
my
volunteer
work
going
into
the
Boston
Public
Schools
to
talk
with
students
in
the
elementary
and
then
Middle
School
level.
As
a
as
a
Boston
public
schools,
graduate
myself
I
was
selected
by
Mayor
Menino
to
serve
on
the
Roxbury
strategic
master
plan
oversight
Committee
in
2004..
N
My
reason
for
serving
was
to
repair
the
Decades
of
damage
done
to
my
neighborhood
Jamaica
Plain
and
the
south
end
zoning
wasn't
the
issue.
Restoring
vast
parts
of
my
neighborhood
were
working
with
the
Boston
Planning
Development
agency.
Bpda
was
how
the
oversight
committee
goes
about
stitching
things
back
together,
not
to
digress
too
much,
but
this
was
from
the
days
of
Highway
planning
urban
renewal
terms
that
basically
I
still
don't
use
with
mine,
with
even
my
friends
and
my
neighbor
in
in
Roxbury
I've
seen
displacement
under
those
under
those
things.
N
Since
the
1950s
I've
participated
in
hundreds
of
community
meetings
that
deal
with
affordable
housing
that
deal
with
the
place,
displacement
that
deal
with
people
being
able
to
stay
and
raise
their
kids
at
a
place,
they
want
to
it's
necessary,
definitely
to
talk
about
affordable
housing,
but
you
need
to
break
that
up
because
a
number
of
years
ago
it's
not
just
rentals.
It's
for
home
ownership,
also
and
obviously
to
make
things
more
affordable.
The
best
thing
is
for
people
to
have
better
paying
jobs
and
skill
and
skill
wise.
N
Having
worked
with
Chief
James
Oscar
Jemison
in
the
past,
I
was
called
by
him
on
behalf
of
the
mayor
about
working
and
becoming
a
zoning
board
of
appeals
and
Umbra.
My
answer
is
since
then,
as
it
is
now
was.
Thank
you.
I
think
you
think.
A
G
Thank
you
so
much
I
so
appreciated
your
opening
statement.
Just
the
perspective
you
bring
and
the
experience
that
you
provide
as
well.
So
just
thank
you
for
that.
I
would
like
to
put
on
record
because
I
forgot
to
while
Chris
was
here.
I
would
like
for
everybody
to
also
get
a
briefing
on
affh
and
all
of
the
important
work
that
we
did
in
2020,
because
the
zba
like
I
said,
is
that
lever
up
until
it
gets
the
BPD.
G
Affh
affirmatively
furthering
fair
housing
say
that
50
times,
okay,
so
so
my
question
and
you've
heard
it
before:
will
you
consider
sorry,
will
you
ensure
your
standards
for
use
permits
variances
and
exception
will
include
impacts
on
affordability,
furthering
fair
housing,
preventing
eviction
and
displacement
and
addressing
climate
change
and
resilience.
N
Pretty
sure
it's
just
across
the
board,
in
terms
of
we've,
heard
why
I
had
to
say
about
affordable,
affordable
housing
and
displacement
in
the
hundreds
of
community
meetings.
I've
co-chaired,
run,
I've
worked
with
the
bpda
on
those
are
issues
that
keep
coming
up,
as
there
are
many
issues
in
terms
of
housing,
not
only
in
neighborhoods
of
Boston,
across
the
city
of
Boston,
across
the
Commonwealth
and
across
the
country
and
I
think
people
are
starting
to
pay
attention
to
it,
especially
once
they
have
to
pay
more
for
them
monthly,
living
expenses.
N
Sure
in
terms
of
looking
at
neighborhoods,
for
how
they
may
be
for
what
people
want.
I've
listened
to
people
one
way
or
another
in
terms
of
what
they,
what
they
want
to
see
in
their
neighborhoods
and
one
regard.
I'm
I've
had
a
blank
slate
literally
for
many
abandoned
Parcels
of
lamb
that
had
to
be
revived,
made
useful,
brought
back
on
the
tax
rolls
and
those
types
of
things.
So
I've
had
a
different
perspective
in
that,
but
the
surrounding
neighborhood
has
always
been
at
the
top
of
the
West.
Basically,.
G
Thank
you
for
that
answer,
and
do
you
believe
that
Financial
burdens
that
are
self-created
should
be
considered
as
a
hardship
to
meet
the
standard
of
granting
of
variance.
N
N
N
Well,
you
had
a
chance
to
do
this
back
up
for
a
minute.
We
had
one
of
the
longest
standing
abandoned
pieces
of
property
in
the
city
of
Boston,
probably
the
last
and
largest
parcel
of
partial
three
in
Roxbury
across
the
street,
from
Police
Headquarters
recently
had
two
bidders
on
it
and
going
into
the
last
weekend
we
pretty
much
made
the
decision
as
to
who
we
wanted
to
be
the
developer,
and
fortunately
it
wasn't
the
the
developer.
N
G
Thank
you
and
my
last
question
is
again
with
plenty
spasmin
playing
Charlestown
when
we
do
ultimately
rezone
our
communities,
and
that
is
the
the
rule
right
and
you
are
expected
to
review
any
exceptions
to
that
rule.
Will
you
hold
the
line
and
honor
what
the
community
has
ultimately
decided
through
both
of
those
processes?
I'm.
N
Going
to
look
at
it
first
I'm
going
to
see
what
people
are
asking
for.
If
it's
been
rezoned,
then
okay
I
have
to
back
up
again
in
terms
of
looking
at
what
the
zoning
laws
in
Boston
are.
N
N
G
Thank
you.
Thank
you
for
your
answer.
So
it's
nice
meeting,
you
appreciate
it
sure
I
have
to
go.
Thank.
J
Great
thank
you.
Thank
you.
So
much
Mr
Stonebridge
same
thing.
One
was
just
this
question
about
you
know.
Obviously,
you've
got
a
lot
of
familiarity
with
kind
of
the
history
of
development
policy
in
the
city,
but
but
just
that
willingness
to
kind
of
engage
in
in
briefings
and
conversations
with
departments
about
new
policies
as
they're
coming
in.
N
Yes,
I've
I've
initiated
many
conversations
with
the
bpda
with
some
other
City
departments.
Okay,
folks,
what's
going
on
here,
what's
coming
down
the
pike?
What's
new,
oh
did
I
tell
you
that
this
sucks.
J
Great
and
then
yeah
this
question
kind
of
about
affordable
housing
development
and
how
to
expedit
and
then
specifically,
sort
of
your
thoughts
on
the
parking
minimum
exemption
that
we
created
last
year.
N
Should
we
expedite
affordable
housing?
Yes,
do
we
have
to
pay
attention
to
the
needs
of
the
neighborhood,
the
surrounding
neighborhood?
Yes,
in
my
experience,
the
number
one
issue
that
comes
up
is
parking
or
let
me
be
clear
about
that.
The
number
one
issue
that
comes
up
is
the
lack
of
parking.
Basically,
but
again,
that's
that's.
How
America
was
developed.
Basically
everyone's
going
to
have
a
house
everyone's
going
to
have
a
car
and
life
will
be
wonderful.
N
Well
when
those
house,
when
the
co,
when
they
became
four
and
five
cars
and
and
one
house
in
the
neighborhood,
you
know
it
was
made
it
a
little
different,
but
in
terms
of
infrastructure
wise,
not
doing
what
we
need
to
do
in
terms
of
Transportation
in
this
in
this
country
infrastructure
wise.
We,
it
then
rolls
down
into
the
neighborhoods.
So
I
do
see
somewhat
a
lot
of
neighborhoods
the
ants.
N
N
This
is
Boston,
we
have
long
memories.
Was
it
something
that
happened
in
1970?
And
you
know
people
still
have
an
issue
with
that,
or
is
it
something
that
needs
or
is
it
something
else
that
needs
to
be
addressed?
Now
parking
is
just
easy
to
go
through,
but
I
don't
think
it
should
get
in
the
way
of
affordable
housing,
which
is
not
to
not
to
digress
too
much
again,
but
is
vitally
deep.
J
Yeah,
no,
absolutely
and
and
no
and
I
think
right.
I
mean
parking,
obviously
is
a
real
quality
of
life
issue.
I.
Just
think
that
having
a
house
is
very
much
quality
of
life
issue,
you
know
one
of
our
and
one
of
our
you
know
challenges.
Sort
of
those
of
us
who
represent
the
public
is
making
sure
that
the
people,
the
people
in
the
city
who
can't
be
at
these
meetings
because
they
don't
have
a
roof
over
their
head
and
need
one
it's
sort
of
right.
J
It's
speaking
up,
it's
the
same
way
that
we
all
take
it
on
ourselves
to
like
speak
up
for
like
the
children,
because
they're
not
in
the
room
yet
but
they're.
Obviously
their
interests
are
in
the
room.
I.
Think
about
that
with,
like
you
know,
folks
who,
who
might
be
sitting
on
a
on
a
waitlist
somewhere,
and
it
was
actually
interesting
with
the
parking
minimum
case
with
the
jpndc
building
and
JP.
J
You
know
it's
obviously
a
question
of
measuring
the
acute
need
and-
and
my
only
other
comment
on
on
all
of
that
is
just
I,
I,
sometimes
and
and
I-
take
counselor
Baker's
point.
We
all
represent
different
types
of
districts
and
that
has
different
kind
of
land
use.
Norms
I
mean
my
sort
of
joke
is
like
you're
welcome
to
visit
the
future
anytime,
it's
District
eight
and
it's
also
the
past
right.
I
represent
some
very
dense
neighborhoods
that
have
no
parking
built
into
them
and
far
from
being
undesirable,
right.
J
They're
they're
places
with
the
highest
property
values
in
the
city
and
I
often
think
you
know
when
the
Back
Bay
was
laid
out.
You
weren't
allowed
to
park
your
carriage
in
front
of
your
house.
You
had
to
there
were
some
Central
Carriage
Depots
outside
of
the
neighborhood,
and
if
you
were
lucky
enough
to
have
one
you
had
to
send
for
it
and
I
just
I
think
a
lot
about
how
Boston
used
to
have
more
people
even
than
we
have
now
and
but,
and
you
have
to
kind
of
think
about
ways
to
organize.
N
And-
and
it
continues
you
know,
Boston
Boston
continues
to
be
a
desirable
City
and
it's
only
and
it's
only
growing
so
it'd
be
good
yeah.
We
could
do
something
about
this.
Like
now,.
A
A
You
had
talked
about
the
needs
surrounding
the
neighborhood
I
appreciate
that
comment
when
it
comes
to
affordable
housing,
just
because
it's
affordable
doesn't
necessarily
mean
that
it's
good
for
the
neighborhood
or
the
neighborhood
has
to
accept
it,
or
so
you
need
to
stay
open
to
what
the
neighborhood
is
is
advocating,
for
you
would
talk
about
the
damage
that
was
caused
by
you
know
the
the
highways
and
other
and
other
urban
urban.
A
Yeah
yeah,
but
it
wasn't,
but
a
lot
of
the
damage
was
caused
in
the
in
the
past.
Not
necessarily
through
zoning.
Now,
like
I,
grew
up
in
a
neighborhood
I,
never
even
saw
anyone's
house
get
painted.
Till
I
was
in
my
30s,
so
no
one
was
going
in
front
of
the
zoning.
If
you
did
something
in
your
house,
you
just
did
it
to
what
like?
What
do
you
want
to
see
built?
What
what
would
excite
you
going
on
those
on
those
empty
Parcels?
Is
it
affordable
housing?
N
What
we've
advocated
for
through
the
years
is
mixed-use
development
is
what
development
mixed
mixed
use.
Development.
N
First,
residential,
commercial,
anything
that's
job
generating;
basically
so
yes,
something
commercial
on
the
fifth
floor,
residential
above
or
organizations,
or
what
whoever
might
be
able
to
use
this
space.
A
Yeah,
when
I
find
that
the
the
density
adds
to
the
safety
of
the
neighborhood,
especially
if
there's
a
commercial
space,
a
reason
to
go
there,
whether
it's
a
dry,
cleaner
or
a
restaurant
or
or
whatever.
A
Yeah
in
the
same
comment
about
weighing
weighing
advocacy,
you
know
if
you
can
just
speak
on
those
700
letters
that
are
signed
outside
Stop
and
Shop,
or
the
12
people
that
live
right
around
the
affected
area.
Oh.
N
You
mean,
like
the
same
letter
that
just
gets
copied
copied
copied.
N
You
seem
like
it.
You
know
you
have
to
look
at
who's,
advocating
for
what,
how
they're
doing
it
sure
it's
easy
to
go
to
Stop
and
Shop
in
front
of
Stop
and
Shop,
or
stock
market
or
whatever,
and
just
in
and
get
people
to
hope.
You
know
if
they
want
to
sign
off
it's
another
thing
to
go
into
the
name
into
a
local
neighborhood
itself
and
see
what
the
issues
are.
N
Who
do
you
know
in
the
neighborhood
who
who
can
introduce
you
to
folks
in
the
neighborhood
to
get
closer
to
the
issues
that
are
being
drowned
out
by
these
700
letters?
So
that's
what
I've
tried
to
do
I'm
not
going
into
anyone's
neighborhood
and
tell
them
necessarily
what
to
do
I,
try
and
go
in
and
listen
yeah
and
then
come
out
with
an
opinion
now
and.
N
I'll
do
my
best
yeah
in
terms
of
allocating
what
I
hope
is
the
proper
time
and
get
doing
the
due
diligence
in
terms
of
going
through
these
things
again.
Boston,
you
know
to
to
our
friend
Allen's
and
others
is
a
booming
City
yep.
You
know
there's
a
lot
going
on
in
terms
of
the
zba,
how
many
variances,
what
types
of
variances
conditional,
what
whatever
else
so,
while
I
put
the
time
in
short,
yeah
it'll,
take
me
a
while.
N
A
O
P
Good
afternoon
counselors,
my
name
is
chevelli
Olivier
I've
been
in
Boston
resident
all
my
life
in
a
metapan
resident
for
18
years.
I
am
the
executive
director
of
Mattapan
food
and
fitness
Coalition
or
mffc,
which
is
a
health
and
wellness
organization
in
Mattapan,
focused
on
decreasing
chronic
heart
diseases,
diabetes
and
other
illnesses
through
holistic
approaches
such
as
exposing
residents
to
bike
riding
and
running
the
matapan
Square
Farmers
Market,
where
residents
can
purchase
local,
fresh
and
affordable
Foods
I'm.
P
P
I
was
nominated
by
mayor
Michelle
Wu
for
the
neighborhood
alternate
seat,
growing
growing
up
in
Boston,
either
myself
or
those
close
to
me
have
experienced
housing,
instability,
food
insecurity
and
more
unsure
where
to
turn
to
get
questions
answered
or
who's
who,
in
the
city
of
Boston
and
through
my
work
and
community
Through
Mattapan
food
and
fitness
Coalition
I
have
been
engaged
continuously
by
community
members.
J
Yes,
and
thank
you
so
much
for
being
here
and
for
your
work
with
Mattapan
food
and
fitness
Coalition,
it's
an
it's
an
awesome
group
and
I
I
I
envy
it
I
feel,
like
other
neighborhoods
wish
they
had
something.
Just
like
you
know,
a
sort
of
homegrown
group
working
on
all
those
issues
like
you
guys
do.
So.
Thank
you
for
that
work
and
I
guess
same
question.
J
So
first
one
is
just
the
on
the
policy
front
sort
of
your
willingness
to
engage
in
policy,
briefings
and
kind
of
keep
it
iteratively
kind
of
up
to
speed
with
how
the
city
departments
are
moving
on
stuff.
P
Thank
you.
I
definitely
want
to
engage
more
in
policy
most
of
the
work
that
I've
done
in
terms
of
interventions
have
been
on
the
individual
level
and
as
well
as
the
community
level.
But
it's
the
policy
level
that
I
really
want
to
take
the
time
to
understand
a
little
bit
more
because
you
need
to
have
all
three
of
these
things
in
order
to
create
a
community
that
is
healthy
and
thriving
for
all
on
Boston
residents
to
live
in
great.
J
Thanks
so
much
and
and
then
on
this
question
of
as
I
mentioned,
we
lifted
the
parking
minimum
rule
for
affordable
housing
majority,
affordable
developments
last
year
and
just
sort
of
curious.
Your
thoughts
in
general
about
Expediting,
affordable
housing
and
kind
of
how
to
how
to
balance
these
parking
questions
that
we've
been
discussing.
P
J
A
You're
welcome
yeah
parking
every
every
every
everything
is
sparking.
So
how
will
you?
How
will
you
like?
Where
will
you
look
for
guidance
in
in
deciding
on
on
a
project?
You
think
it
might
could
be
okay
for
say,
Mattapan
your
neighborhood.
It
could
be
a
good
mixed
use
like
like
norm
and
I
had
talked
about,
like
you
know,
a
restaurant
or
whatever,
on
the
first
floor
of
housing,
housing
above
and
you
have
your
neighborhood
against
it,
but
you
think
it's
you,
you
think
it
can
be
okay
or
will
be.
Okay.
A
P
So
it's
it's
kind
of
difficult
to
answer
that
question,
because
there's
many
stakeholders
that
are
in
play
when
you're
talking
about
developing
or
granting
whatever
it
is
that
the
DBA
needs
to
be
granting
to
the
developer,
and
so,
first
and
foremost,
you
should
always
be
thinking
about
what
the
community
say
when
it
comes
to
this
particular
project.
But
then
it's
up
to
those
who
are
very
close
to
the
project,
whether
it's
so
I
live
in
Mattapan,
so
I'm
not
familiar,
what's
happening
in
Charlestown
or
what's
happening
in
East
Boston
or
the
Fenway
area.
P
So
I
am
going
to
look
for
those
who
have
tolls
on
the
ground
like
the
city,
counselors
or
or
maybe
ons.
That's
out
there.
To
give
me
more
information,
provide
me
more
information
about
what
it
is
that
residents
are
saying
in
that
Community.
But
then.
Lastly,
looking
forward
to
learning
more
from
my
peers,
because,
as
I
heard,
everyone
has
lots
of
different
experiences
when
it
comes
to
housing
or
being
in
their
Community
or
their
professional
experiences,
so
using
all
those
to
be
able
to
make
an
informed
decision
on
on
what's
best.
A
And
you're
involved
in
Mattapan,
so
you've
been,
it
seems,
like
everybody's,
had
plans
in
front
of
them
before
like
plans
for
big
buildings
that
like
how
do
you?
How
do
you
decipher
those
you
do
feel
confident
you
can
decipher
like
a
huge
building
in
front
of
you.
Do
you
do
you
ask
Norm,
or
do
you
ask
the
the
architect
or
how
do
you?
How
do
you
get
through
that
in
initially
in
the
beginning,
when
you
like,
oh
boy,
this
is
a
you
know,
100
story,
building
what
it,
what
what's
a
pylon?
What's
this?
A
P
Definitely,
when
I'm
up
against
something
that
I'm
not
really
familiar
about
and
housing
is
definitely
something
that
I
want
to
learn
more
about.
I
definitely
have
to
ask
the
questions,
so
I
probably
will
be
the
person
on
the
zba
board
to
ask
a
lot
of
questions,
because
I
want
to
be
able
to
again
make
the
best
decision
and
make
an
informed
decision
on
on
what
is
best
for
that
particular
project.
That
is
before
me
and.
A
I
think
it's
planned
Mattapan
that
that
just
came
out
with
the
and
it
and
it
speaks
particularly
to
to
lot
size.
So
so
you
can
only
it
can
only
be
half
lot
coverage
is
that?
Are
you
familiar
with.
P
That
so
I'm
not
I'm
not
well
versed
in.
What's,
in
the
whole
entire
plan,.
A
Back
again,
we'll
leave
it
alone.
Then
I,
don't
wanna
I,
don't
want
to
trip
you
up,
yeah
Council
block.
Do
you
have
any
more
questions?
No
we're
good
I
think
we're
good
and
Norm.
You
can
leave
also
if
you
want
and
or
you
can
stay
whatever
you
want
to
do.
Thank
you
very
much.
We
will
be
voting
on
Wednesday.
Thank
you,
David
Collins.
How
are
you
today
David
same
thing?
Who
are
you?
Where
do
you
live?
What
makes
you
extra
special
on
being
in
the
zoning
board?
Absolutely.
Q
You
for
inviting
me
it's
a
lot
less
intimidating
in
here
than
it
was
about
an
hour
ago,
more.
Q
Right
a
little
bit
about
me
so
I'm
from
Roslindale
born
and
raised
off
of
Belgrade
Avenue,
one
of
three
boys
God
bless
my
mother,
my
father's
one
of
nine
from
Mission
Hill
and
my
mother's
one
attend
for
rocks
from
West
Roxbury,
which
resulted
in
about
47
cousins.
So
there's
a
lot
of
us,
most
of
which
have
since
left
the
city
due
to
Affordable
affordability,
issues
so
forth,
and
you
know:
I
joined
Local
22
when
I
was
about
21,
22
years
old
and
worked
on
so.
Q
Yes
right
out
of
the
North
Shore,
which
used
to
be
in
the
North
End,
and
then
they
moved
their
headquarters
to
Malden,
but
most
of
their
territory.
Cambridge.
Q
Well,
it's
also
the
North
End
Charlestown
Back
Bay
Brighton
that
whole
area
as
well
right
now
I
run
a
large
demolition
company
that
predominantly
works
in
the
city,
so
I'm
very
used
to
looking
at
drawings,
pretty
earlier
question
about
how
comfortable
we
are
with
those
I
bought.
Q
My
first
house
in
Roslindale
in
2021,
so
like
I,
said,
I've
been
a
member
of
that
Community
for
31
years
now,
since
I
was
born,
I
have
had
a
few
projects,
thus
far
in
my
Adult
Career
go
through
the
permitting
and
Zoning
process,
whether
that
be
my
own
house
or
other
projects,
predominantly
in
Roslindale,
West,
Roxbury
and
Jamaica
Plain,
so
I'm
involved
in
the
permitting
construction
and
variance
process,
as
is
right
now
so
I'm
relatively
familiar
with
it.
Q
J
Yes,
councilman
great.
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
So
much
same
questions.
So,
first
one
just
kind
of
your
your
willingness
to
attend
the
policy
briefings
learn
about
kind
of
what
the
city's
latest.
J
You
know
if
it's
a
transportation
plan
or
a
you've
heard
about
some
of
the
like
neighborhood
zoning
plans
that
are
on
you
know,
things
like
the
billboard
policy
I
mentioned
just
to
make
sure
that
you've
kind
of
got
all
the
information
and
are
able
to
ask
questions
and
then
also
able
to
be
our
ambassador
to
the
public
when
you're
talking
at
CBA
about
projects
about
kind
of
where
the
conversation's
at.
Q
J
Great
thanks
and
then
thoughts
on
this
question
about
as
I
mentioned
right.
You
got
these
parking.
This
parking
minimum
exemption
for
a
majority,
affordable
housing
developments,
I
think
sort
of
two
branches
coming
out
of
that
right.
One
is
about
how
you
think
about
Transportation
policy
and
and
kind
of
the
parking
cost
of
building
parking
needs
for
parking,
other
modes
of
Transit,
Etc
thinking
in
the
city
and
then
the
other
Branch
off
of
that
is
just
looking
for
opportunities
to
expedite,
affordable
housing
across
the
city.
Yeah.
Q
Q
You
know
I'd
like
to
see
the
parking
get
cut
closer
to
you
know,
Transit
areas
closer
to
the
train
so
and
I
believe
there
already
is
some
sort
of
a
stipulation
in
there
that
cuts
it
in
half
which
a
lot
of
people
don't
know
about,
but
it's
in
there
somewhere
and
maybe
broaden
that
a
little
bit
to
make
it
go
a
little
bit
further
out.
J
Yep,
yes,
very
fair
point,
yeah
and
councilor
Baker
will
be
back
in
a
moment.
So
in
let's
see
in
the
interim
I'll
just
ask:
have
you
have
you
served
on
a
board
or
commission
before
I.
J
Okay,
awesome
first
time:
yeah
yeah
zba
is
a
big
one.
So.
Q
J
We're
we're
grateful
to
you
for
being
willing
to
take
on
take
on
that
effort.
Honestly.
Q
J
J
If
that's
all
right,
if
one,
if
we
could
yeah
just
because
I'll
have
to
go
in
a
minute
and-
and
you
are
a
West
End
resident-
so
maybe
sorry
to
go
slightly
out
of
order,
but
if,
if
you
had
thoughts
on
on
those
two
things
on
kind
of
both,
oh
no
he's
back
excellent.
All
right,
never
mind.
I
will
wait
and
do
the
proper
order.
You,
okay,
oh
yeah,
I
was
I'm
all
set
with
David
I
was
about
to
start
asking
Katie
my
questions
too,
but.
A
Q
A
I
do
not
own
it.
No
I'm
a
project
manager
and
and
you're
you're,
a
licensed
you're,
a
realtor
I.
I
A
To
labor
or
realtor
correct,
so
how
did
you
you
obviously
still
hold
your
book
if,
if
you're,
if
you're
a
a
Building,
Trades
nominee.
Q
Yeah
so
I
predominantly
in
the
laborers.
You
know
the
real
estate
is
kind
of
a
side
thing,
something
that
I
normally
use
a
license
for
myself.
The
kids
call
it
a
side
hustle
now
yeah,
that's
it.
Instead
of
selling
shoes,
I
sell
a
little
bit
of
real
estate
and
I
predominantly
use
it
for
my
own
projects.
You
know
so
buying
and
selling
my
own
projects
when
I
do
them,
which
I
don't
do
very
often,
but
it
comes
in
handy.
A
Q
Mostly
rehabs
right
now,
ground,
UPS
I've
done
some
permitting
on
yeah.
You
know
permitting
and
then
you
kind
of
get
rid
of
the
deal.
It's
not
really
my
expertise,
building,
steel
structures-
and
you
know
buildings
that
big
but
smallest
project.
I
did
a
dormer
a
few
years
ago
on
Florence
Street,
just
to
get
some
Headroom
yeah.
A
Q
And
that
was
one
of
my
first
projects,
so
it
was
a
good
small
one
to
learn
on
because
he
put
a
dormer
on
the
wrong
side
of
the
house
and
it
trips
a
whole
line
of
variances
yeah
and
right
now,
I
have
the
biggest
one
we're
working
on
right
now,
that's
about
to
go
through
is
10
units
can.
A
Q
So
it's
a
yeah
I
mean
I've
done
a
few
projects
that
are
smaller
than
that,
but
the
community
processes,
from
my
experience,
much
easier,
the
smaller
the
project,
the
larger
it
gets,
the
more
difficult
it
becomes
parking
is
always
a
huge
thing,
but
it's
a
fair
process.
You
know
it's,
it
needs
to
be
done.
Sometimes
it
I'm
sure
it
feels
a
little
bit
excessive
when
you're
going
for
a
dormer
yeah,
but
it
is
the
process
you.
Q
I
think
my
fear,
with
you
know
with
rezoning,
is:
does
it
stop
that
you
know
the
guy
that
just
had
a
another
kid
from
putting
a
dormer
on
his
house
and
getting
another
bedroom
so
that
he
doesn't
have
to
leave
the
city?
You
know
yeah
if
you
rezone
and
stick
as
far
and
take
away
that
zoning
appeals
process.
Yeah
right.
Is
he
just
stuck
with
that
and
then
you
know,
he's
kind
of.
Q
A
I
A
On
what
your
end
game
is
you're
in
use
or
whatever,
but
thank
you
appreciate
you
coming
out
with
you
today
and
by
Cherry
dong,
a
drink
yeah.
If
she
drinks
I,
don't
know
if
she
drinks
Katie.
How
are
you
today
and
you're
welcome
to
stay
you'll
go
whatever
you
want,
whatever
you
want
to
do.
I
C
A
O
You
saved
the
best
for
no
just
can't,
invest
no
I'm
just
kidding.
My
name
is
Katie
leewell
I'd
like
to
thank
mayor
Wu,
the
Greater
Boston
real
estate
board
for
this
opportunity
and
nomination
and
the
counselors
for
your
time
and
thoughtful
questions.
Thus
far,
I've
lived
in
Boston
for
almost
15
years
now
in
four
different
neighborhoods.
First,
as
a
student
at
Emanuel
College
in
the
Fenway
neighborhood
in
the
dorms,
then
off
campus
at
Mission
Hills
in
Mission
Hills.
O
Still
a
student
later
on
I
lived
in
Brighton
and
now
I
live
in
the
West
End
I
love
living
in
Boston
for
its
neighborhoods
and
its
walkability.
After
the
discussions
today,
I
feel
compelled
to
say,
I
don't
own.
A
car
I
am
one
of
those
few
people
or
I,
studied
political
science
at
Emanuel
college
and
worked
for
non-profits
in
higher
education
and,
ultimately
obtaining
my
Master's
in
City
Planning,
while
working
full-time
at
Boston,
University
I
first
became
interested
in
zoning
when
I
took
a
paralegal
professional
development
certificate
course.
O
The
last
module
was
real
estate
and
I
thought
zoning
was
fascinating
and
it
opened
the
door
to
the
planning
field.
For
me,
the
issues
I
care
about
are
affordable
housing,
sustainable
development
and
equity
and
planning.
Over
the
last
four
years,
I
worked
for
this
I've
worked
for
the
city
of
Newton
and
I,
currently
work
there
as
the
chief
planner
for
current
planning,
I
work
with
the
Newton
zoning
ordinance
every
day
and
have
worked
on
a
range
of
projects
that
require
zoning
relief,
including
several
High
interest
projects.
O
J
Thank
you,
Council
block.
Yes,
thank
you
and
Katie
thrilled
at
the
idea
of
having
a
west
ender
on
the
on
the
committee,
and
it's
I
think
you
live.
J
I
was
listening
on
the
resume
on
Canal
Street,
so
you're
not
currently
in
my
district,
but
you
are
in
the
greater
West,
End
and
I
guess
so
same
questions
for
you
first
one
just
if
you
could
speak
to
your
willingness
to,
you
know,
participate
actively
in
policy
briefings
and
kind
of
stay
abreast
of
the
zoning
related
policy
shifts
that
are
going
on
in
the
city.
Yes,.
O
I
would
be
definitely
interested
in
staying
up
to
date.
On
you
know,
policy
developments
in
the
city-
you
know
I,
wouldn't
want
to
be
in
a
situation
where
you
know
I'm
totally
ignorant
about
something
that
is
going
on
or
relevant
to
a
petition
before
us.
So
that's
something
I
would
be
really
interested
in.
J
Great
fantastic
and
then
I
mean
you
referenced,
affordable
housing,
but
just
kind
of
your
thoughts
on
Expediting,
affordable
housing,
development
and
then
this
question
of
kind
of
you
know
how
we,
how
we
make
sure,
though,
we've
got
transportation,
policy
and
and
parking
policy
that
reflect
like
you,
know
the
desire
not
to
add
too
many
more
cars
to
the
city.
Obviously
you
know
I
think
a
lot
about
the
fact
that
just
that
area
that
you
live
in
around
North
Station,
you
know
it's
interesting.
J
My
district
has
both
the
garden
and
Fenway
Park
and
when
I
was
a
kid,
there
were
a
lot
more
parking
lots
around
the
garden,
and
my
experience
is
that
a
lot
more
people
used
to
drive
to
Celtics
and
Bruins
games
and
that,
with
that
parking
disappearing,
people
have
have
chosen
different
ways
to
get
to
the
get
to
the
games
just
because
of
what's
viable.
And
then
you
know,
obviously,
we've
shifted
a
lot
of
parking
lots
in
Fenway,
but
there's
still
a
lot
more
out
there
than
there
is
down
there.
J
And
it's
just
interesting
to
me
on
those
two
ends
of
my
district
kind
of
how
the
parking
provision
also
feeds
into
what
what
decisions
people
are
making
right.
O
So
to
answer
the
affordable
housing
question,
so
what
I've
heard
in
the
context
of
a
discussion
is
removing
the
parking
minimums
for
affordable
housing?
Is
that
sort
of
the
context
of
the
question.
J
Yes,
that's
the
context,
the
question
but,
and
that
was
identified
as
just
a
lever
that
was
frequently
a
variance
that
was
like
because
something
that
was
needed
for
affordable
housing
developments
and
then
and
then
a
number
of
lawsuits
were
used
against
affordable
housing
development.
We're
using
that
as
the
hook
to
hang
their
lawsuit
to
prevent
the
building
of
the
of
the
units.
O
Yeah
no
I'm,
definitely
supportive
of
any
affordable
housing
and
affordable
housing
without
parking,
I
I
think
the
sort
of
where
I
was
getting
hung
up
is
you
know.
I
would
still
want
to
make
sure
it's
vetted
appropriately.
The
same
amount
of
review
applies
as
an
you
know.
Any
other
project
is
to
do
due
diligence.
O
You
know
I
and
I.
Think
with
the
question
on
parking.
I,
don't
think.
We've
talked
about
traffic
every
you
know.
Everyone
who
comes
to
a
public
hearing
will
talk
about
traffic
and
I.
Think,
obviously
it's
tied
to
parking,
but
I
also
think
until
we
get
more
people
out
of
their
cars,
traffic
isn't
going
to
change
so
I
think
it's
about
taking
those
people
who
can't
afford
to
not
drive
anywhere,
and
you
know,
take
transit
change,
those
habits
through
a
good
transportation
to
management
plan.
O
You
know,
subsidized
T
passes
make
that
as
easy
as
possible
for
them
to
take
transit
and
then
you'll
start
to
see
an
impact
on
traffic.
So
I
think
there
are
still
people
who
do
need
their
car
and
need
to
have
a
place
to
park.
But
I
I
think
it's
about
finding
the
people
who
can
make
that
mode
switch
so
to
say
and
being
supportive.
J
A
A
Understand
where
we're
going,
but
in
some
of
these
in
some
of
the
yo
you
have
an
affordable
building,
that's
50
units
or
something
it's
going
to
be
no
parking.
There's
going
to
be
people
working
in
there,
so
I
think
we
should
look
at
it
like
that,
because
I'm
afraid
that
now
this
new
moniker
of
affordable,
like
that's,
going
to
be
that
that's
going
to
be
okay,
we're
going
to
waive
everyone
around
third
now,
because
they're
saying,
affordable
and
in
fact,
is
it
affordable.
A
Can
the
people
endorse
us
to
get
in
the
building,
that's
being
built
right
there
A
lot
of
times?
The
answer
is
no,
because
you
need
a
masters
to
just
go
through
the
to
get
on
the
list
to
get
part
of
the
lottery
and
hopefully
win
the
lottery.
So
that's
just
my
Spiel
for
now
so
Katie
you
are
the
chief
planner
current
planner
for
Newton
I
am
how
do
you
apply
and
I
don't
really
know,
but
I'm
gonna
throw
something
at
you.
I
hope
doesn't
offend
you.
How
do
you?
How
do
we
apply?
A
O
O
Yeah,
so
it
depends
on
what
district
it
is
in
single
residence
districts,
multi-residents.
O
O
A
So
how
do
you
deal
with?
How
do
you
deal
with
because
I'm
sure
Newton
gets
pretty
pretty
active
when
there's
affordable
housing
coming
there
and
they
don't
want
it?
So
how
do
you
do
do
you?
Are
you
forward
facing
on
any
of
that
sort
of
advocacy,
or
that
is
that
more
going
to
counselors,
and
do
you
get
any
of
that.
O
We
do
so.
My
role
has
been
in
the
current
planning
division
to
provide
a
technical
analysis
and
planning
principles
to
petitions,
and
then
we
provide
that
to
the
city
councilors,
who
are
the
special
permit?
Granting
Authority
Newton's
Eva
decides
comprehensive
permits,
so
some.
O
A
So
do
you
do
you
do
is,
is
planning
for
Newton?
Does
that
prepare
you
for
being
on
the
zoning
board
here
and
if
so,
how
I.
O
Yes,
I
would
say
so
I
review
plans
all
day
and
I.
You
know
provide
technical
analysis
planning
principles
for
projects
in
Newton.
You
know
we
do
have
transit
in
Newton,
so
Transit
oriented
development,
but
also
you've
mentioned
earlier
accessory
Apartments.
We.
I
K
A
O
A
Yeah
well,
I
mean
I,
think
it's
a
good
way,
a
good
way
to
to
add
units
and
and
help
families
out.
Basically,
I
come
from
a
big
family
too.
So
you
you're
for
the
Greater
Boston
real
estate
board.
How
did
you
become
their
appointee?.
O
So
I
was
contacted
first
by
mayor
Wu's
office
and
had
a
few
discussions
on
zoning.
I
wasn't
quite
sure
you
know
what
I
what
what
I
was
sort
of
being
asked
about
and
then
a
couple
of
conversations
later
it
was
I
was
asked
if
I
would
consider
being
on
the
zoning
board
of
appeals
which
I.
A
A
A
Yeah
and
you're
able
to
take
that
time
off
to
come,
sit
in
person
here
when
it
happens.
Yes,
okay,
okay,
thank
you,
I!
Think!
Oh,
we
have
thank
you
guys,
you're
welcome
to
leave.
We
do
have
some
public
testimony,
I'll,
just
read
who
who
signed
up?
We
have
two
spots
one
here
and
one
here:
Courtney
pong
Thomas
Shivani,.
A
S
Are
you,
where
are
you
from
hi
chairman
maker,
I'm,
Courtney
pong
I
lost
my
voice,
I'm,
a
business
owner
and
since
2018
in
Roslindale
Square
right
in
the
heart
of
the
square
across
from
Adams
Park,
a
part
of
the
4198
Washington
Street
Building?
It's
an
improv
comedy
theater.
It's
the
only
woman-owned
comedy
theater
in
Boston
and
Asian
American-owned
theater
in
Boston
I'm,
here
in
enthusiastic
support
of
the
appointment.
This
is
leadership.
S
I
hope
that
will
favor
helping
residents
and
business
owners
see
the
full
vision
of
what
we
know
is
possible
through
and
to
see
it
through
short-term
growing
pains
and
to
choose
solutions
that
are
aimed
at
long-term
sustainable
change
versus
short-term
decision
making.
So
I
experienced
this
short-term
decision
making
in
November
of
2021
exactly
one
year
ago.
My
building
that
I'm
in
is
the
4198
Washington
Street
development.
It
was
supported
by
two
city
councilors
of
Oakley.
S
It
was
going
to
go
from
a
single
story:
commercial
piece
to
a
mixed
use,
31
units
with
over
40
percent
income,
restricted
with
below
Market
Commercial
rents
for
the
all
of
the
business
owners,
who
are
all
people
of
color,
including
myself.
It's
in
a
Transit
Rich
area,
as
you
know,
from
being
in
Roslindale
bus
lanes,
bike,
rentals
and
commuter
rail,
it
was
denied
without
prejudice.
S
There
was
a
significant
emphasis,
as
you
know,
on
parking,
despite
some
of
the
claims
of
folks
here
today
about
being
pro-transit
use
and
sustainability,
affordability,
the
entire
building
was
denied
without
prejudice
and
encouraged
to
come
back
when
we
build
in
more
parking.
In
fact,
one
of
the
things
that
was
brought
up
was
take
away
the
theater
space
and
put
parking
in
the
back
in
the
below
underground.
Why
I
bring
this
up
today?
S
Is
that
I
want
to
know
why,
in
a
transit-rich
area
with
subsidies
that
were
offered
by
the
owners
were
not
encouraging
where
shop
local
is
encouraged?
Why
are
we
making
choices
for
short-term
relief?
We
know
that
we
need
solutions
that
are
sustainable
for
not
just
the
city,
but
for
the
planet.
Why
are
we
encouraging
business
owners
to
rely
on
a
customer
base
that
is
relies
on
cars
versus
local
foot
traffic
and
building
long-term
relationships
over
Discovery,
and
the
last
piece
I
have
is
the
most
concerning
reasons
that
were
stated
from
the
current.
S
I
am
in
support
and
I
am
hopeful
for
leadership
that
will
make
choices
that
push
us
forward
on
a
vision
based
in
the
needs
of
not
just
this
generation,
but
for
60
years,
80
years,
100
years
from
now.
When
we're
all
gone
but
we're
leaving
something
that
was
sustainable
and
build
community,
thank
you
so
much
thank.
T
T
I
did
come
in
with
Josh
a
couple
weeks
ago,
talking
about
expedited
perming,
permitting
zoning
relief
for
affordable
housing,
I
also
I,
don't
think
I
just
said
it
I
live
in
Jamaica
Plain
I
wanted
to.
You
know,
encourage
the
council
to
expeditiously
approve
these
nominees
I
think
they're
the
as
we
heard
today.
This
slate
shows
great
diversity,
not
just
racially
and
and
ethnically,
but
also
in
terms
of
age.
Geography
within
the
city
and
lived
experience
and
I.
Think
that's
what
we
need
here
on
the
zoning
board.
T
I
would
definitely
Echo
many
of
the
comments
that
Courtney
just
raised
about
some
of
the
inconsistencies
in
the
previous
zoning
board
and
I
hope.
Those
are
addressed.
I
want
to
push
back
with
all
due
respect
and
two
lines
of
questioning
that
I
did
hear
from
counselors.
One
is
the
question
of
who
is,
or
rather,
where
is
the
community,
and
should
we
prioritize
those
who
live
in
the
immediate
vicinity
of
proposed
projects
rather
than
anyone
around
the
city?
T
We
don't
have
a
housing
market
that
is
just
the
Dorchester
Market
or
the
Jamaica
Plain
Market,
or
the
Back
Bay
Market,
or
the
West
End
Market,
or
the
Roslindale
Market.
We
have
a
city
market
and
just
as
what
happens
or
doesn't
happen
in
the
city
of
Newton
affects
the
city
of
Boston.
What
does
happen
or
doesn't
happen
in
terms
of
housing,
growth
and
building
new
homes
within
cities
of
the
neighborhood,
rather
within
the
neighborhoods
of
the
city
of
Boston,
affects
other
neighborhoods.
T
So
you
know
at
one
zba
reappointee
during
this
here
you
did
mention
the
racialized
neighborhoods
that
we
have
in
this
city
and
I
would
say:
that's
perpetuated
by
the
outdated
zoning
that
we
have
and
is
also
perpetuated
when
we
say
that
those
who
live
within
certain
neighborhoods
are
prioritized,
their
voices
are
prioritized
in
certain
development
hearings.
So
I
would
encourage
the
council
to
think
more
critically
about
that,
and
it
would
also
encourage
zba
appointees
to
consider
this
as
well.
T
Secondly,
who
is
the
community
I
heard
some
counselors
ask
Will
you,
you
know
honor,
those
who
you
know
took
the
time
to
appear
in
hearings
and
listen
to
their
voices.
We
have
a
great
body
of
research
from
right
here
in
Greater
Boston.
That
shows
those
who
participate
in
community
meetings
about
new
Housing
Development
do
not
reflect
the
demographics
or
opinions
of
those
who
live
in
the
community
and
region
at
large.
T
I
think
perpetuates
a
racist
approach
to
Land,
Development
and
housing
in
the
city,
so
I
would
encourage
us
to
think
more
critically
about
not
just
who
is
the
community,
but
where
is
the
community
that
we
can
hear
from
and
take
seriously
in
in
the
considerations
about
growth
in
housing
production
in
our
city
again,
I'm
very
pleased
with
this
slate
of
not
nominees
and
I
would
encourage
all
of
them
to
be
approved
on
Wednesday.
Thank
you.
U
Name
and
yes,
affiliation.
Thank
you.
Thomas
shavoni,
48-year
resident
of
Boston's,
North
End
grandfather
of
a
two-year-old
daughter
lives
at
the
bottom
of
the
street,
not
for
very
long
because
we
get
gentrified
day
by
day.
I
I've
been
before
the
zoning
board
of
appeals
for
several
times
with
neighbors
and
for
community-based
projects.
U
I
I
really
want
to
support
the
questions
asked
by
your
chair
as
well
as
the
other
councilors
indicate
to
me
that
there's
a
lot
more
sophistication
in
terms
of
vetting
the
process
and
I
I
wanted
to
commend
mayor
Wu
for
giving
us
an
opportunity
to
have
new
faces
and
new
voices
representing
the
city,
as
it
is
the
one
issue
that
I
think
all
of
us
have,
as
Reza
said,
I'm
only
going
to
use
my
two
minutes.
Counselor
is
due
process
and
not
just
the
appearance.
U
U
U
Opponent
opponent,
the
chair,
seemed
very
concerned
about
how
his
attorney
so
and
so
and
then
went
on
to
hold
a
hearing
in
which
we're
called
the
proponents
and
then
immediately
took
a
vote
and
we
never
had
a
chance
to
open
our
mouths.
Our
voices
never
even
said
well.
I
deny
your
request
for
a
deferral
when
that
happens.
It
is
so
demoralizing
to
us
as
residents
after
just
the
north
end,
but
of
Boston.
U
It's
demoralizing
not
only
sends
a
signal
about
our
Zoning
Board
of
Appeals,
but
about
the
Nay
office,
the
mayor's
office
of
Neighborhood
Services,
who
sometimes
know
when
there's
going
to
be
a
postponement,
but
don't
bother
signaling
that
to
the
community
Before
We
Gather
and
even
the
waves
wash
ashore
so
to
speak.
I'm,
a
city
council
chambers,
because
this
type
of
phenomenon
occurs
again
and
again
and
again
without
any
remedial
or
Curative
directions,
whether
in
the
form
of
ordinance
or
in
the
form
of
policy.
U
But
we
want
you
to
ask
the
right
questions
and
the
only
question
in
terms
of
metrics
that
we've
been
having
in
the
North
End
is
when
we
see
a
building
time
and
time
again,
a
series
of
buildings
brought
up
and
a
project
keeps
on
asking
for
nine
units.
We
know
why
that
happens
and
in
the
North
End
we
don't
have
property
to
develop.
It's
already
buildings
that
are
there.
They
don't
want
affordable
housing.
U
They
don't
want
the
10
to
trigger
it
and
an
accessible
dwelling
units
and
I
know
we're
the
exception
and
I'll
finish
up
in
counseling
when
somebody
makes
an
apartment
basement
in
a
building
that
has
young
families
and
even
people
with
their
first
time,
jobs.
Single
people
couples
whatever
there's
no
longer
trash
or
recycling
in
the
basement,
there's
no
longer
a
washer
dryer,
there's
no
longer
a
place
to
put
carriages
and
bicycles
and
seasonal
things
for
people
like
even
their
their
skis.
A
A
U
U
U
I'm,
not
North
dentists,
just
shouldn't
have
to
say
of
what
happens.
For
example,
down
at
the
waterfront
there
was
going
to
be
a
nine-story
condominium
luxury.
They
were
going
to
take
over
public
property
to
this
day.
It
is
the
Elliott
school
science
Annex,
and
we
are
so
proud
of
that.
So
we
had
people
from
other
neighborhoods
advocating
that,
because
we
all
advocate
for
the
Boston
down.
A
Do
thank
you
Council
thank
you
and
Mr.
Robert
orthman
is
on
Zoom
Mr
Rothman
you're
up.
R
Thank
you,
Mr
chairman,
and
appreciate
the
opportunity
to
testify
of
Zoom
just
want
to
thank
you
and
the
counselors
for
holding
this
hearing,
particularly
coming
up
on
the
end
of
the
legislative
cycle.
For
the
council.
My
name
is
Robert
orthman
I'm,
a
Rossdale
resident
I,
live
on
the
acne
named
Rosendale
Avenue
I
grew
up
in
Roslindale
in
West
Roxbury
and
lived
here.
My
whole
life
I'm
a
board
member
and
the
chair
of
the
Housing
Development
Committee
for
a
neighborhood
organization,
known
as
walk
up
Rosendale.
R
Where
can
volunteer
organization
comprised
of
residents
and
small
business
owners?
We
seek
to
essentially
turn
around
what
is
known
as
the
quote-unquote
community
voice.
We
are
a
voice
for
yes
in
our
community.
We
are
a
voice
for
more
housing,
more
Transit,
more
walkability,
yes
in
our
backyard,
if
you
will
sometimes
in
our
literal
backyard.
In
March
of
this
year,
we
issued
an
open
letter
to
Mayor
Wu,
calling
on
a
new
slate
of
zba
appointees.
After
a
number
of
high-profile
Roslindale
projects
were
denied
by
the
current
zoning
board.
R
One
was
mentioned
previously
that
I
won't
rehash
on
41
88
Washington
Street,
but
there
were
other
projects
as
well
that
were
denied
for
seemingly
unclear
and
at
times
I
would
say
myopic
reasons
mostly
focused
on
parking
and
parking
surrounding
it
and
ignoring
the
overall
Community
need
for
more
housing,
particularly
income
restricted
housing.
R
I
just
want
to
thank
publicly
mayor
Wu
for
for
listening
to
our
letter
from
her
fellow
Roslindale
residents
and
appointing
this
slate
walk
to
Brazil
and
myself
are
here
in
strong
support
of
this
slate
and
would
ask
the
committee
to
report
it
favorably
and
to
vote
to
confirm
them
at
the
next
meeting
and
just
lastly,
I
would
say
that
it's
been
mentioned
by
some
some
counselors
and
some
some
panelists
as
well
today
about
a
new
direction
for
the
city
on
development
and
wanted
to
just
reiterate
that
call
that
we
need
to
move
towards
an
overall
schema
that
relies
much
less
on
variances
and
I.
R
Think
that's
one
point
where
I
think
most
people
tend
to
agree,
regardless
of
what
they
want
a
particular
outcome
to
be,
but
also
we
would
seek
to
legalize
existing
density
on
most
of
our
existing
small
apartment
buildings
or
our
triple
Deckers
or
three
Deckers,
depending
on
what
you
call
them
have
been
made
illegal
under
zoning,
even
though
they
were
built
at
a
time.
You
know
when
it
was
legal
to
have
such
density.
R
We
would
ask
that
that
the
city
looks
strongly
legalizing
that
so
folks
don't
have
to
go
through
the
process
that
Mr
Collins
described
earlier
of.
You
know
your
Lawns
just
to
add
a
dormer
to
your
home,
but
we
would
go
further
and
ask
that
the
city
looked
to
rezones
to
to
enable
that
gentle
density,
so
that
you
know
the
streets
in
our
city
that
already
have
you
know,
apartment
buildings
or
triple
Deckers
can
can
have
them
once
again
and
reduce
those
costs
to
affordability.
R
The
last
thing,
I
would
say
is
that
you
know
there's
been
a
lot
of
talk
of
community
voice
and,
like
I
mentioned
Ross,
you
know
walk
up.
Roslindale
seeks
to
to
turn
that
on
its
head
and
be
a
voice
for
yes,
when
when
so
often,
we
see
a
voice
of
of
no
or
a
voice
of
Suspicion.
R
If
you
will
put
forward
about
kind
of
the
negatives
when
it
comes
to
development,
but
we
even
heard
counselor
the
counselor
mentioned
to
hold
the
line
on
variances
if
you
will
and
I
think
respectfully,
while
we're
seeking
in
our
community
in
our
neighborhood
to
be
a
voice
for
yes,
you
know
there,
there
was
an
election
last
year.
You
know
mayor
Wu,
was
elected
overwhelmingly
and
had
been
very
public
in
her
career
as
a
counselor.
R
Prior
to
that
about
her
stance
on
on
enabling
more
transparency
and
reducing
you
know:
affordability,
barriers
in
our
zoning
code,
as
well
as
focusing
much
more
on
housing
and,
in
particular,
in
our
climate
crisis,
in
lieu
of
focusing
so
much
on
parking
and
I.
Think
that
the
residents
and
particularly
voters
of
Boston,
have
spoken
on
that
and
I
would
respectfully
ask
that
the
current
appointees,
if
they
are
confirmed,
would
would
keep
that
in
mind
and
that
the
counselors
would
keep
that
in
mind
and
as
well.