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Dockets #0252 & 0917 - A meeting on ZBA appointments
A
Hi
everyone
we're
going
to
get
started
in
just
a
minute.
I
want
to
make
sure
that
all
of
our
guests
and
attendees
are
in
the
right
kind
of
room
on
zoom.
I
see
some
folks
that
are
not
yet
panelists.
We
want
to
make
sure
that
all
of
our
potential
nominees
are
in
so
give
me
one
minute
and
I'm
going
to
try
to
move
some
folks
over
to
be
in
the
main
room
and
then
we'll
we'll
get
right
started.
A
A
Okay,
so
we'll
dive
in
and
send
a
notice
over.
So
I
know
some
of
my
colleagues
had
sent
a
message
that
they'll
be
joining
a
little
bit
later,
but
I
want
to
respect
everyone's
time
here
and
dive
right
in.
We
are
here
to
discuss
the
nominees
for
the
zoning
board
of
appeals.
This
is
a
committee
meeting
of
the
planning,
development
and
transportation
committee
at
the
boston
city
council.
My
name
is
michelle
wu
and
I
chair
this
committee.
A
I
want
to
remind
everyone
that
this
is
a
public
meeting
that
is
being
recorded
in
broadcast,
and
I
want
to
recognize
the
city
councils
that
are
also
here
so
far.
Of
course,
the
ever
punctual
city,
councilor
ed
flynn
and
then
we're
joined
by
members
of
the
administration
and
our
dba
nominees,
so
oops,
a
few
colleagues
also
now
joining
I'm
gonna
move
into
our
main
room.
Counselor
mejia
welcome
and
a
note
from
a
couple
others
that
they'll
be
right
on
as
well,
okay.
A
C
C
C
Many
people
in
our
network
have
been
moving
out
to
brockton
and
lawrence
because
affordable
properties
are
just
too
hard
to
come
by,
and
we
need
to
be
incredibly
careful
in
who
we
choose
for
our
zoning
board,
because
their
decisions
are
going
to
impact
the
daily
lives
of
the
people
in
our
city.
These
appointments
are
another
important
step
to
making
planning
and
development
conversation
more
inclusive
and
equitable
for
everyone,
and
I
think,
as
you
all
know,
I
always
say
that
nothing
about
us
without
us
is
for
us
and
oftentimes.
C
A
Thank
you,
counselor
michia
and
again
I'm
gonna
oops.
I
think
someone
is
in
the
room.
Okay,
I'm
going
to
ask
when
other
colleagues
join
we'll
take
a
pause
and
they
can
jump
in
and
offer
their
thoughts
as
well,
but
right
now,
if
we
can
shift
over
to
commissioner
irish
and
chris
english,
if
I'm
not
sure
who's
on
tap
to
kind
of
frame
this
and
introduce
the
nominees
but
we'll
hand
it
over
to
you.
Thank
you.
E
A
Commissioner,
thank
you
so
much
and
I
know
you've
been
there's
a
lot
on
your
plate
with
the
the
covid
pandemic
and
meetings
being
canceled
and
now
a
lot
of
folks
trying
to
reapproach
and
get
business
going
again.
So
I
appreciate
your
time
always
and
and
your
feedback
and
your
your
insights,
do
you
think
you
could
just
tell
us
a
little
bit
about
which
particular
seats
these
nominees
represent,
and
just
some
of
that
that
brief
background
and
then
we'll
dive
right
in
to
the
nominees.
E
A
F
No
just
I
really
grateful
to
the
nominees
for
being
here
with
us
on
short
notice,
and
I
know
we're
all
interested
in
you
know
trying
to
add
more
of
a
full
compliment
to
the
board.
You
know
as
soon
as
possible,
in
line
with
the
important
policy
priorities
we've
been
talking
about
on
the
council
side
and
with
the
administration,
so
grateful
to
you,
madam
chair,
and
grateful
to
all
the
nominees
for
being
here
and
to,
of
course,
commissioner,
irish,
as
well.
A
Great,
thank
you
very
much,
so
I
think
we
will,
let's
see,
there's
one
two.
Three
four
five
nominees
before
us
I'd
like
to
just
hear
an
opening
statement
from
everyone.
If
you
could
just
tell
us,
you
know
very
very
briefly,
obviously
introduce
yourself
what
part
of
the
city
you
live
in.
What
your
background
is
and
why
you
would
like
to
be
on
the
zoning
board
of
appeal.
You
know
sort
of
what
we
would
bring
to
this
role
and
then
we
can
get
into
q
a
with
individual
people
one
by
one.
A
G
G
G
I
believe
strongly
that
architecture
should
reflect
a
progressive
role
in
creating
resilient
communities.
I
believe
in
adaptive
and
participatory
approaches
in
the
field
of
architecture
and
planning
should
enable
cities
and
citizens
towards
a
more
just
green,
racially
harmonious
urban
environment.
I'm
a
latin
axe
architect
originally
born
in
barranquilla
colombia.
I
immigrated
at
the
age
of
six,
I'm
the
founder
of
studio
luz,
I'm
one
of
the
few,
maybe
two
in
the
city
of
boston,
that
is
a
latin
latin-owned
woman-owned
firm.
G
Social
justice,
diversity,
equity
is
central
to
my
practice
and
ethos.
Climate,
justice
and
action
are
critical
factors
in
correcting
some
of
the
wrongs
in
the
built
environment.
Access
to
clean
air,
food,
housing
and
water
are
essential
human
rights
and
is
my
deep
belief
that
it
should
be
reflected
in
how
we
built
and
live
in
our
urban
environment.
G
G
A
Thank
you,
I'm
so
excited
very,
very
grateful
that
you're
willing
to
put
yourself
forward
for
this
position
and
just
so
grateful
that
the
process
that
the
boston
society
of
architects
went
through
on
a
very
short
time
frame,
along
with
the
council,
has
resulted
in
such
incredible
talent
and
and
service
being
willing
to
undertake
this.
So
thank
you
very
much.
We'll
move
next
to
costa
leaguers.
D
D
I
am
the
byproduct
of
two
immigrant
parents
immigrated
here
from
greece
in
the
1970s
I
grew
up.
I
was
born
in
jamaica,
plain
and
I
live
in
south
boston
in
the
in
the
broadway
area,
broadway,
village,
area
of
south
boston.
Now,
where
I've
resided
in
south
boston
in
the
four
point
channel
area,
the
last
20
years.
D
D
I
went
to
law
school
here
in
boston.
I
went
to
business
school
here
in
boston
for
I'm
a
scientist
I
studied
physiology
and
chemistry
at
boston,
university
and
and
ended
up
in
a
legal
career
that
lasted
almost
two
decades
before
I
moved
into
building
technology
for
consumer
lending,
focusing
on
transparency
and
consumer
lending
transactions.
D
I
serve
as
an
entrepreneur
in
residence
at
mit,
which
is
where
I
went
to
business
school.
One
of
the
things
I'm
passionate
about
is
obviously
innovation,
entrepreneurship,
as
well
as
entrepreneurship,
and
have
spent
a
great
deal
of
time,
actually
really
studying
and
doubling
down
on
system
dynamics.
As
a
scientist,
I
believe
that
every
action
has
an
equal
opposite
reaction
when
you
remove
liquid
from
a
container
it
just
displaced
with
gas,
the
purpose
behind
sort
of
my
sorry
for
being
a
little
bit
geeky,
but
my
sort
of
scientific.
D
D
So,
in
terms
of
my
background,
as
I
mentioned,
I'm
a
ceo
of
a
technology
startup
based
in
boston,
I'm
an
eir
at
mit,
and
I
help
early
stage
founders
in
ag
tech,
healthcare,
tech
and
all
sorts
of
other
really
interesting
and
fascinating
technology.
I've
served
as
a
hearing
officer
for
the
board
of
bar
overseers.
I've
admitted
to
practice
law
in
four
specific
jurisdictions
and
I'm
a
current
trustee
of
suffolk
university,
also,
obviously
based
in
boston
and
a
proud
alumni
alumni
of
the
of
the
law
school
there.
D
A
We're
very
very
grateful
for
you
too.
We
will
move
out.
I
want
to
acknowledge
that
counselors
ricardo
arroyo
and
liz
braden
have
also
joined
us
and
let
me
just
check
oh
and
counselor.
Frank
baker
is
with
us
as
well
as
soon
as
I
move
them
out.
Okay,
perfect
counselor,
frank
baker's,
joining
us
as
well.
Okay,
and
next
up
will
be
gene
pinato.
H
Thank
you
and
good
afternoon,
madam
chair
members
of
the
city
council,
commissioner,
irish,
it's
really
a
pleasure
to
be
nominated
for
this
position.
It's
really
an
important
public
body
for
the
city
of
boston.
For
the
past
22
years,
I've
been
worked
for
madison
park
development
corporation.
I
joined
as
its
chief
executive
officer
back
in
1998.
H
I'm
really
proud
of
the
the
transformative
impact
we've
had
on
the
lives
of
over
3
000
roxbury
residents
who
live
in
our
affordable
housing
and
really
quality
developments
throughout
the
neighborhood
and
some
of
the
commercial
buildings
that
we've
developed
in
nubian
square,
but
more
than
than
having
an
impact
on
the
built
environment
and
on
the
lives
and
homes
of
people.
We've
we've
really
taken
a
holistic
approach
to
community
development
and
engaged
in
youth
programs,
health
and
wellness
initiatives.
H
Civic
engagement,
public
safety
were
part
of
the
neighborhood
trauma
team,
responding
to
incidents
of
violence
throughout
the
neighborhood
and
arts
and
culture,
which
really
is
an
important
part
of
a
community's
history
and
part
of
our
economic
development
and
throughout
hybridian
hall.
We've
been
able
to
to
do
that.
Just
that
you
know,
highlight
the
arts
and
culture
and
and
bring
civic
activity
and
nightlife
to
nubian
square.
H
H
The
mayor
has
proposed
a
very
diverse
group
of
participants
to
the
to
the
city
to
the
zba,
and
I
I
think
I
bring
a
unique
perspective
having
both
developed
property
in
the
city
of
boston,
been
a
boston
resident,
raised
a
family
and
also
worked
on
many
social
justice
issues
in
the
community.
I
think
people
know
me
by
reputation.
D
I
Thank
you,
madam
chair
commissioners,
really
appreciate
the
opportunity
to
be
here.
I
just
wanted
to
highlight,
I
think
three
things
that
are
critical
to
me
as
I
look
into
this
opportunity.
First
and
foremost,
I'm
a
20-year
resident
of
dorchester.
I
moved
there
in
2000
and
I've
raised
my
family
there.
I
have
a
senior
at
bc
high
and
a
rising
7th
grader
at
boston,
latin
school,
and
you
know
really.
I
So
I
lived
in
dorchester.
I
participated
in
my
civic
and
planning
committee
very
avid
and
committed
to
that
process,
and
what
I
realized
over
the
first
five
years
was
the
quality
of
the
process
with
the
community
was
less
than
admirable.
The
projects
were
less
than
beneficial
to
the
community
and
the
designs
were
not
enhancing
the
quality
of
our
lives,
so
it
really
was
the
impetus
that
started
my
firm,
which
I'm
the
co-owner
of
with
my
business
partner,
kevin
deebler
who's.
I
Also
a
dorchester
resident
was
really
the
goal
was
to
create
a
firm
that
really
honored
this
process,
and
so
we
started
working
in
our
own
neighborhood
and
you
know.
Obviously
some
of
it
was
selfish
because
we
wanted
to
better
our
own
community
and
our
community
streets.
But
as
we
started
to
go
down
the
road,
we
didn't
have
any
work
or
any
opportunities.
So
we
started
reaching
out
to
non-profits
and
neighborhood
groups
to
see
if
we
can
find
some
work
and
the
reality
of
it
is.
I
That
was
what
served
as
the
basis
of
our
firm
and
as
we
began
to
grow
and
learn
the
community
process
better.
We
started
to
understand
really
what
was
critical
to
the
process
of
building
and
designing
and
approving
projects
in
our
communities
in
our
neighborhoods
and
the
process
was
not
working.
As
far
as
we
could
see.
We
would
be
at
a
lot
of
community
events
and
different
meetings
with
the
groups,
and
we
we
couldn't
understand
why
they
were
so.
I
I
So
the
the
practice
started
out
really
as
a
community
based
practice
that
has
now
evolved
into
doing
work
all
over
the
city.
But
we
believe
our
process
is
different
and
I
think
these
are
really
important
attributes
to
help
form.
Somebody
on
the
zoning
board
of
appeals.
We
have
been
to
the
zoning
board
of
appeals
many
times.
I
I
think
that
last
count
about
50
times,
and
what
we
have
learned
is
that
the
process
going
up
to
that
point
at
the
zoning
board
of
appeals
is
critical
for
the
success
of
the
project
and
that
process
will
take
very
different
forms
as
you
move
through,
based
on
which,
whatever
the
dynamics
of
the
specific
processes
are.
And
so
you
know
when
this
opportunity
came
to
me
through
the
boston
society
of
architects.
It
really
took
me
quite
a
bit
of
time
to
think
and
assess.
I
I
I
I
I
think
we
need
to
be
able
to
listen
to
the
positive
and
listen
to
the
negative
of
a
project,
but
ultimately
assess
each
project
on
its
own
standing
merits
to
ensure
that
it
can
be
a
betterment
to
the
community
that
we're
building
in
or
designing
in,
and
so
you
know,
I
think
that
the
the
board
does
represent
something.
That's
so
critical
to
the
forward
movement
of
the
city
now
certainly
understand.
There
are
changes
that
need
to
happen.
I
I
believe
in
those
changes,
and
I
think
they
are
absolutely
critical,
and
I
love
to
hear
the
experience
of
the
members
that
are
being
nominated
to
the
sport,
because
I
do
believe
that
those
are
attributes
that
have
not
been
part
of
the
process
that
I've
been
on.
The
other
side
of
the
table,
but
understanding
the
urban
qualities
and
the
development
planning
qualities
super
critical
sustainability
in
our
city
is
obviously
a
major
hurdle
and
to
understand
the
impact
of
the
projects
on
that
as
well.
I
We
do
that
at
our
firm
and
I'm
experienced
in
those
as
an
architect,
and
so
I
will
bring
those
attributes
to
the
board
as
well.
However,
focusing
in
as
being
the
architect
on
the
board
is
extremely
critical
and
therefore
I
think
that
the
decisions
of
the
board
really
should
be
made.
It
can
make
our
city
stronger,
but
not
tear
it
apart.
As
we
see
a
lot
of
these
controversial
projects
that
are
going
forward,
maybe
that
they
shouldn't
have,
and
so
therefore,
I
think
every
project
needs
to
be
reviewed.
Thank
you
for
the
consideration.
A
J
Yes,
so
again,
my
name
is
kerry.
Logue
I've
been
sitting
on
the
zba
as
an
alternate
member
since
2014,
so
I
grew
up
south
of
the
city,
but
I've
been
living
in
south
boston
for
the
past
15
years
or
so
long,
family,
history
and
construction
on
both
sides
of
the
family.
So
that's
how
I
got
into
this
industry
and
you
know
eventually
to
the
zoning
board
so
for
the
last
13
years,
or
so
I've
been
working
as
an
owner's
project
manager.
J
So
we
manage
a
lot
of
ground
up
higher
education
projects
lab
and
office
spaces.
My
earlier
years
I
had
managed
public
school
construction
projects
for
the
k-12
ages.
My
interest
in
the
board,
you
know
beyond
just
enjoying
having
served
on
it
for
the
last
you
know,
five
or
six
years
is
what
I
do
every
day
is
project
management
and
development.
J
A
Great,
thank
you
very
much.
So
let
me
just
check
if
any
other
colleagues
have
joined
us
okay,
so
that
was
our
full
complement
of
nominees
I'll.
Let's
go
one
by
one
now
to
see
if
there's
any
questions
for
each
person
individually
and
we'll
just
go
in
the
same
order
as
before,
so
for
miss
hansi,
better
marasa.
Are
there
any
questions
from
counselors
or
if
counselors
would
like
to
make
a
statement
who
weren't
here
before
we'll
go
in
the
order
of
arrival,
as
usual,
counselor.
B
B
G
G
I
engage
the
residents
first
in
terms
of
being,
on
the
other
end,
there's
been
very
bad
development,
creeping
in
roslindale,
and
so
I
saw
myself
on
the
other
end
as
showing
up
when
there
was
a
project
that
I
thought
was
not
beneficial
to
the
community,
and
so
what's
what
was
interesting
about
showing
up
to
the
to
the
process
that
exists
today
in
terms
of
community
input?
Is
that
lots
of
community
membership
at
that?
First
meeting
and
it
was
a
very
grounds
up,
mobilization
that
occurred
in
rosl,
where
we
kind
of
were
fighting
against
the
development.
G
So
I
see
myself
having
many
different
hats
in
terms
of
understanding
the
complexities
of
all
the
actors,
and
so
my
process
would
be
to
look
at
a
controversial
project
from
all
those
different
points
of
views,
one
from
development.
You
know,
I
understand
that.
Typically,
a
lot
of
controversial
projects
deal
with
greed,
I
think-
and
so-
and
so
I,
but
I
do
think
that
there
are
really
great
developers
out
there
that
do
have
an
interest
in
community
in
in
benefiting
the
community.
So
so
I
think
that
would
be
my
work.
G
My
process,
like
looking
at
it
from
the
developer's
point
of
view,
looking
at
it
from
the
community
point
of
view,
looking
at
it
from
the
business
side
of
you
and
ultimately,
I
think
the
decision
is
going
to
be
rendered
in
terms
of
what
is
majority
supported
like
who
supports
this
project.
Also,
the
counselors
having
them
show
up
and
seeing
their
kind
of
support,
and
if
it's
a
majority
support.
I
know
it's
a
very
good
project.
B
Well,
thank
thank
you
very
much
for
the
answer
and
I
was
impressed
with
everybody's
opening
statement
in
the
background
education
experience
that
you
had
over
many
years
and
your
dedication
to
the
residents
of
boston
in
so
many
different,
so
many
different
ways.
So
I'm
looking
forward
to
voting
voting
and
supporting
you,
because
I
think
you
all
add
something
that
the
city,
the
city,
needs
and
that's
a
commitment
and
love
to
the
neighborhoods
of
boston.
So
I'm
looking
forward
to
voting
in
support
of
the
of
this
dedicated
group
right
here.
C
This
is
exciting.
I
get
to
learn
a
little
bit
about
you
all
before
I
start
showing
up
in
the
space
where
you'll
be
making
decisions
on
behalf
of
those
that
I
serve.
So
it's
great
to
have
this
sort
of
kind
of
little
quick
stop
over.
So
thank
you,
counselor
wu,
for
creating
this
opportunity
to
exist.
So
a
I'm
just
a
little
bit
curious
hansi!
I'm
really
excited
that.
You
led
with
your
experiences.
C
C
A
C
Of
us
are
following
along:
no
I'm
just
teasing.
Basically
for
those
who
are
you
know
spanish
deficit
I'll,
just
let
you
know
real
quick
that
the
question
was
really
about
how
how,
as
someone
who
is
a
native,
you
know
who's
a
native
speaker
in
spanish,
going
to
make
an
extra
effort
to
ensure
that
latinos,
spanish-speaking
neighborhoods
are
engaged
in
the
process
and
also
understand
how
to
navigate.
C
There
is
a
privilege
and
oftentimes.
We
forget
that
you
know
there
are
folks
who
who
have
to
go
in
front
of
you
who
don't
know
how
to
speak
english,
and
you
know
they
can
bring
a
translator,
but
there's
nothing
like
being
able
to
speak
in
your
own
native
language
and
be
able
to
advocate
for
what
it
is
that
you're
fighting
for
and
so
having
that
sensibility
and
also
having
that
cultural
competency
is
really
important
to
me.
So
I
just
wanted
to
show
off
that.
G
Councilman
yeah,
I
I
love
that
you
said
culture
confidence,
because
there
is
a
generational,
let's
say
cultural
association
with
members
of
the
family,
and
so
I
have
a
lot
of
latin
residents
saying
I
want
my
mother
to
live
in
the
basement.
Can
you
help
me,
and
so
I
think,
when
those
residents
show
up,
you
need
some
form
of
compassion
to
understand.
C
C
C
A
F
Thanks
so
much
counselor
thrilled
to
have
you
in
this
process
really
excited.
I
think
we've
heard
firsthand
a
lot
of
the
things
you
bring
to
the
board.
So
it's
really
exciting.
I
think
I'm
gonna
ask
everybody
the
same
question,
which
is
just
you
know:
it's
a
it's
kind
of
a
brass
taxi
thing,
but
obviously
part
of
the
reason
that
we
have
alternates
for
the
zba
is
because
people
are
periodically
conflicted
out,
and
so
it
would
just
be
helpful
for
me
and
I'll.
F
G
G
K
Thank
you.
I
I
have
a
question:
that's
basically
for
everybody,
so
everybody
else
can
just
write
it
down
because
it's
the
same
question.
I
would
be
asking
you,
as
we
look
at
california
and
the
wildfires
and
seems
like
every
month,
there's
a
different
environmental
disaster
that
is
happening
due
to
climate
change
and
global
warming,
and
you
know
I
really
have
a
vision
for
the
city
where
we
are
a
leader
on
this.
K
How
do
you
see,
and
what
do
you
see
both
of
your
personal
role
on
this
board
in
terms
of
promoting
in
housing
and
in
development
that
is
environmentally
friendly
and
advances
that
cause?
And
what
do
you
see
the
board's
role
as
so?
Basically,
what
do
you
see
your
role
as?
What
is
your
personal
viewpoint
on
that?
How
do
you
think
we
get
there,
and
what
do
you
see
the
board's
role
in
that
in
terms
of
projects
that
are
in
front
of
them
and
and
what
they
ask
and
seek
thank.
A
G
That,
in
terms
of
preventive
measures,
I
think,
in
terms
of
sustainability,
one
has
to
look
into
the
future
and
know
that
your
the
current
decision
that
you
make
has
a
long-lasting
effect,
so
I
do
believe
believe
in
this
kind
of
long-term
development
and
in
reviewing
the
projects
one
one
of
the
things
is,
you
have
natural.
You
have
disasters
when
it
deals
with
density
that
are
not
up
to
code,
so
I
would.
G
I
would
ensure
that
that
technically
the
housing
are
being
built
to
you
know
fire
standards
in
terms
of
the
reviews
of
their
drawings
in
terms
of
climate
change.
So
one
of
the
things
is
density
like
what
are
the
open
space
ratio
versus
density
that
you're
proposing
in
development?
Is
there
enough
light
and
air
to
prevent
disasters?
The
other
one
deals
with
environmental.
So,
looking
at
the
looking
at
the
ecology,
I
would,
I
would
have
to
review
long
long
term
planning
for
the
city
of
boston
in
terms
of
achieving
certain
goals.
G
So
so
that
would
be
like
my
response.
So
I
know
that
there's
concerns
with
sea
water
rising
near
the
waterfront
edge
of
of
the
seaport,
and
so
there
are
ways
to
deal
with
that
in
terms
of
where
the
development
is
putting
mechanical
systems.
What
prevents
and
measures
is
the
city
putting
forward
in
terms
of
where
development
occurs
along
that
water
edge?
So
I
that's
my
response.
L
Thank
you,
madam
chair,
thank
you
to
all
the
panelists
for
your
willingness
to
come
forward
and
and
participate
in
the
zoning
board
of
appeal.
I
really
appreciate
your
willingness
to
serve.
I
had
a
question:
it's
really
more,
the
the
balance
between
trying
to
preserve
the
fabric
of
a
neighborhood
in
the
in
the
architectural
built
environment
and
then
also
incorporating
new
designs
and
new
buildings.
Sometimes
that's
a
conflict.
I'd
like
to
hear
your
thinking
about
sort
of
historical,
architectural
preservation
versus
new
development.
G
G
I
have
a
lot
of
experience,
so
you
can't
really
build
much
in
boston
without
going
through
some
form
of
historic
preservation.
Committee.
Almost
all
our
neighborhoods
in
boston
have
some
historic
neighborhood
fabric.
That
needs
to
be
maintained,
and
so
I
think
that
is
a
very
good
process
to
ensure
that
buildings
are
not
demolished.
So
you
have
some
of
those
kind
of
regulations
and
processes
in
place.
L
A
A
A
G
A
Thank
you
very
much.
I
want
to
know,
I
think
councilor
edwards
was
on
for
a
bit
of
time
as
well,
and
I
know
her
staff
is
part
of
this
and
monitoring.
Okay,
so
do
any
other
counselors
have
questions
for
hansee
just
feel
free
to
raise
a
blue
zoom
hand.
If
you
do
I'm
not
seeing
any
okay.
Thank
you
very
much.
We
appreciate
your
willingness
to
serve
and
we'll
be
looking
to
move
these
nominations
at
our
next
city
council
meeting.
A
F
Thanks
so
much
madam
chair,
same
question,
which
is
just
if
you
could
speak
to
where
you
might
be
conflicted
and
have
to
recruit,
recruits
yourself
and
I'll
say,
madam
chair,
that
I
I
will
have
to
go
off
after
this
for
a
little
bit.
So
I'd
be
grateful
if
you
would
ask
that
same
question
to
other
nominees,
if
I
miss
them,
I'll
definitely
be
reviewing
the
tape
got
it.
D
Thank
you,
counselor
appreciate
it
and
obviously
relevant,
very
important,
important
and
relevant
question.
I
practice
law
for
for
almost
20
years.
I
don't
practice
anymore,
and
so,
with
respect
to
conflicts,
I
I
always
come
to
conflicts
with
two
lenses
right,
so
I
served
as
a
special
hearing
officer
for
the
board
of
bar
overseers.
D
I
I
look
at
conflicts
and
I
always
have
both
as
an
attorney
and
as
an
advocate
from
two
lenses,
the
first
being
real
conflicts
and
the
second
being
perceive
conflicts,
and
I
think
that
both
of
them
are
equally
dangerous,
even
though
it
may
not
be
a
legal
conflict,
it's
still
a
perceived
conflict,
and
so
I've
never
represented
clients
in
zoning
matters.
I
was
a
transactional
lawyer
representing
mortgage
companies
and
buyers
and
sellers
when
they
bought
and
sold
their
homes,
so
have
had
never
had
any
active
zoning
work.
D
However,
anything
that
could
potentially
that
has
ever
come
in
front
of
me,
both
as
a
hearing
officer
for
the
for
the
state
and
in
other
roles
that
I
serve
anything
that
would
be
perceived
as
a
conflict
as
well.
I
would
immediately
recuse
myself,
I
think,
perceived
conflicts
are
just
as
dangerous
as
real
conflicts.
F
K
D
The
climate
change
stimulate
the
simulations
and
the
impact
of
climate
change,
with
respect
to
development
and
some
of
the
some
of
the
critical
issues
that
that
we're
faced
with,
first
and
foremost,
we're
not
doing
enough,
and
I
I
don't
know
that
I
don't
know
that
we
can
ever
do
enough
with
respect
to
some
of
the
issues
on
a
very
granular
level.
The
reality
is
that
we
have
a
major
issue
with
deforestation.
D
We
have
a
major
issue
with
the
depletion
of
fossil
fuels
and
the
reality
is
that
everything
is
connected,
and
I
believe
that
what
we
do
now
is
we
react.
We
cannot
be
reactive,
we
must
be
proactive
and
when
so
so,
with
respect
to
the
actual
development,
there
is
a
very
fine
balance
and
this
sort
of
overlays
slightly
with
with
counselor
flynn's
earlier
question.
With
respect
to
the
stakeholders,
you
know
reshaping
a
potential
community
as
a
result
of
a
project.
D
That's
being
proposed
needs
to
be
looked
at
for
multi-dimensional
analysis
and
with
respect
to
the
impact
to
the
community,
both
from
a
sustainability
perspective
we
have
to
be.
We
have
to
be
very
mindful
that
a
single
standalone
project
may
look
like
it's
benign,
but
the
reality
is
the
totality
of
it
can
be
very,
very,
very
impactful
to
our
community
and
our
city
as
a
whole.
C
A
C
Okay,
well,
let
me
find
out
come
on
taleboo,
that's
it!
That's
all
you
get!
Okay,
costa!
Is
that
okay?
Can
I
call
your
costume?
Absolutely
okay.
I
really
love
the
fact
that
your
parents
were
immigrants.
That
is
really
that's
near
and
dear
to
me,
I
am.
I
was
born
in
the
dominican
republic,
so
my
daughter's
first
generation,
so
I
hope
that
she
will
go
much
further
than
I
did
and
so
hopefully
you'll
build
so
that
she
can
stay
here
but
anyways.
C
C
You
know
recently,
I'm
sure
that
you
heard
the
the
story
that
had
come
out
about
the
cba
had
donated
to
the
welsh
campaign
and
your
name
actually
came
up
so
in
your
role.
I'm
just
curious
will
any
and
I
have
to
ask
the
question
and
I'm
sure
that
you
all
will
say
no,
but
I
need
to
hear
it.
You
know
to
ensure
that
nothing
that
will
come
in
front
of
the
zba
will
have
any
political
in.
You
know
connection
to
any
of
the
donations
that
you
have.
C
You
know
just
want
to
just
be
really
clear
about
that.
This
is
not
a
and
I
got
you
question.
You
know
I'm
just
really
curious
about
any
con
conflicts
of
interest,
because
these
are
the
sort
of
things
that
I
I
see
my
role
as
a
city
councilor
to
speak
on
behalf
of
the
people
who
put
me
in
here
and
so
often
times.
This
is
what
I
hear
out
in
these
streets
in
these
streets.
So
I'm
bringing
it
here
so
that
you
can
talk
about
it.
D
Absolutely
thank
you
for
the
question.
It's
certainly
taken
in
the
light
that
it's
been
administered
in.
I
believe
that
it
is
important
to
be
active
with
with
government
and
sort
of
sitting
on
the
sidelines
is
not
excusable,
and
so
you
have
to
be
active.
I
have
been
active
with
respect
to
our
local
government
or
really
for
for
decades
and
have
supported
you
know
various
administrations,
including
counselors,
that
are
on
this
call.
The
reality
is,
I
believe
that
it's
important
to
be
supportive.
D
I've
had
the
opportunity
to
meet
the
mayor
on
several
several
occasions,
always
in
public
sort
of
settings
and
haven't
have
had
an
opportunity
to
talk
to
him
about
sort
of
some
of
the
some
of
the
important
issues
that
exist
with
respect
to
the
city,
but
it's
no
different
than
the
relationship
that
I
had
with
the
prior
administration.
I
served
on
the
landmark
commission
was
appointed
by
mayor
menino
to
serve
from
the
four
point
channel
commission
that
actually
will
segue
one
of
the
other
questions.
D
One
of
one
of
your
colleagues
asked
with
respect
to
architectural
preservation
of
communities,
but
at
the
end
of
the
day
you
know
given
my
background,
and
I
I
think
that
there
is
interestingly
enough,
as
we
you
mentioned
earlier
with
the
other
candidate,
with
respect
to
some
of
the
cultural
things
you
know.
My
word
is
my
bond
and,
with
all
due
respect,
you
know
to
to
the
question
I
will
never
do
anything
that
may
way
shape
or
form
would
jeopardize
the
people
that
would
be
impacted
by
a
decision.
D
C
C
A
C
A
Yes,
so
I
just
confirmed
with
the
administration,
because
in
the
beginning,
when
commissioner
irish
made
that
introduction,
it
wasn't
specified.
So
there
are
two
candidates
on
this
call
that
have
been
nominated
from
the
boston
society
of
architects
and
the
way
that
the
process
works
is
that
the
bsa
presents
a
list
of
four
candidates
to
the
administration
and
the
administration
chooses
who
will
be
the
member
and
who
will
be
the
alternate
in
this
case.
Being
presented
up
to
us,
are
eric
robinson
nominated
as
the
member
and
hansi
better
brassa
nominated
as
the
alternate.
C
D
D
I
think
I've
touched
upon
the
the
fact
that
I'm
passionate
about
the
effects
of
climate
change
on
a
macro
level,
not
just
on
a
micro
level,
but
also
going
back
to
an
earlier
sort
of
framework
that
was
presented
by
one
of
your
colleagues
with
respect
to
residents,
small
businesses,
media
and
elected
officials
first
and
foremost.
For
me
personally,
I
have
no
problem
going
on
the
record
and
saying
that
the
most
important
stakeholders
are
the
residents
of
the
community
they're,
the
ones
that
are
directly
impacted,
there's
nothing
more
sacred
than
somebody's
home.
D
The
second
thing
that
I
think
is
really
important
to
point
out
is
the
reality
that
small
businesses
are
struggling
to
stay
alive
right
now,
especially
in
light
of
the
the
response
to
the
covet
19
pandemic,
and
so
you
know
the
the
impact
some
of
these
small
businesses
that
are
the
lifeblood
of
not
only
a
community
but
potentially
a
family
is
really
important.
I
grew
up
in
a
family
business.
My
father
owned
a
small
business
that
provide
provided
for
us,
so
I
appreciate
the
impact
of
small
businesses,
the
elected
officials
for
myself.
D
D
We're
seeing
young
people
that
actually
can't
put
their
roots
into
a
city
because
it's
become
unaffordable.
All
of
these
components
are
a
multi-disciplinary
approach
to
looking
at
projects
and
then
the
impact
that
they
have
to
our
communities.
You
know
I
look
at
it
from
the
perspective
of
what
good
is
it
to
have
a
large,
impressive
project
when
we're
actually
forcing
out?
D
There
is
a
growth
component
to
the
way,
the
way,
the
way
that
you
tackle,
you
know
development
and
the
way
that
you
tackle
the
development
of
of
of
cities
and
urban
planning,
and
specifically
when
you
look
at
look
at
it
from
the
perspective
of
what
have
we
done
in
the
past,
that's
worked.
What
have
we
done
in
the
past?
D
That
has
not
worked,
whether
it
be
prior
prior
cbas
and
prior
administrations
and
the
reality
in
terms
of
what
are
we
seeing
you
know
from
from
you
know
the
current
framework
that
exists.
We
have
to
learn,
we
have
to
learn
from
our
mistakes
and
we
have
to
learn
from
our
wins
and
we
have
to
adapt
accordingly.
A
C
Hold
on
a
second
I'm
still
processing
the
information
you
shared
with
me,
who,
which
one
is
gene?
Oh
wait,
a
minute!
Yes,
okay!
Oh
I
I,
interestingly
enough.
I
just
I
know
who
she
is.
I
know
her
work
and
she's
an
alternate
too,
so
I
don't
even
understand
like
how
all
the
women
of
color
we
have
are
alternates.
C
I
just
don't
understand
how
I
ended
up
in
this
situation
right
now,
but
I'm
happy
that
you
even
made
it
this
far.
Gene.
Thank
you.
Thank
you
me
too.
Let's
talk
about
some
progress,
I'm
just
curious.
I
I
mentioned
in
my
opening
speech
the
importance
of
bringing
people
into
this
into
these
spaces,
who
aren't
the
same
usual
suspects
as
the
former
ceo
of
madison
park
development
corp,
which
I
do
a
lot
of
amazing
work
with.
C
They
are
always
one
of
our
biggest
thought
partners
when
it
comes
to
dealing
with
anything
in
the
community.
I'm
just
curious.
How
do
you
see
your
role
on
the
cba
as
an
opportunity
to
bring
those
people
into
the
table
that
have
never?
You
know
previously
been
a
part
of
it,
and
you
know
I
almost
kind
of
feel
it's
unfair
to
ask
these
questions.
C
Michelle
counselor
wu
and
while
I
do
appreciate
the
process-
and
I
understand
that
everything
goes
through
different
forms,
but
you
know
I
the
fact
that
the
the
women
that
I'm
interviewing,
even
if
their
role
is
just
alternate,
it
just
feels
to
me
that
the
system
is
still
broken
and
it's
not
working
for
for
my
taste.
So
I
just
want
to
put
that
out
on
the
record
in
case,
so
everybody
wants
to
replay
it
I'll
say
it
again.
The
system
is
not
working
for
me.
C
I
feel
like
two
women
of
color
who
I'm
interviewing
right
now
are
being
presented
to
me
as
options,
but
as
options
as
alternates,
and
that
speaks
volumes
to
what
our
little
black
and
brown
girls
are
thinking
about,
as
as
who
really
is
sit
here
to
represent
them.
So
that's
another
bandwagon
and
I'm
not
gonna,
get
on
my
political
soapbox
around
that.
But
gene.
If
you
don't
mind,
answering
me
how,
in
your
alternate
role,
how
would
you
be
able
to,
at
the
very
least
ensure
that
our
voices
are
being
heard.
H
Yeah,
thank
you
very
much
for
the
question,
so
I
really
do
believe
in
a
participatory
planning
process.
I
think
I
think
that's
important
part
of
evaluating
these
projects.
I
don't
want
to
see
projects
that
developers
have
conceived
of
and
then
presented
to
the
community
they're
better
projects
if
they
engage
with
the
community
from
day
one
and
that's
what
we
did
at
madison
park
and
I
think
that
you've
got
to
listen
to
all
the
voices
in
the
community.
So
we
worked
hard
to
bring
homeowners
renters.
H
H
I
think
that
that
the
board
can
do
a
lot
sort
of
to
answer.
Councillor
wu's
question:
we
can,
we
see
a
lot
and
from
it
and
we'll
have
a
unique
vantage
point
of
what's
happening
in
the
city,
and
I
think
when
we
look
at
racial
segregation
in
the
city,
it's
really
our
role
to
help
dismantle
that
and
it
and
it's
that
way
by
design.
It
was
you
know,
designed
that
way,
policies
you
know
created
the
racial
segregation
and
we're
continuing
that
in
the
city.
H
You
look
at
the
whole
south
boston
seaport,
all
right,
a
brand
new
part
of
our
city.
What
do
we
do?
We
perpetuated
racial
segregation
in
this
city
and
shame
on
us
right.
We
ought
to
be
thinking
more
progressively
in
the
city
about
how
we
how
we
design
neighborhoods
who's
included,
whose
voices
are
involved
so
so
I
have
a
little
bit
of
like.
I,
I
want
to
see
us
take
more
of
a
role
in
in
a
planning
process
in
a
policy
you
know
making.
H
Heat
is
a
way
more,
a
bigger
influence
on
people's
lives,
and
so
these
heat
waves
and
people's
ability
to
deal
with
heat
has
a
broad
impact
on
the
city.
I
think
there
isn't
enough
talk
about
that,
because
those
are
impacting
low-income
communities
more
than
they
are
impacting
the
rest
of
the
city.
You
know,
and
so
I
see
my
role
as
as
someone
who's
a
fair
judge
of
what's
coming
before
us.
H
I
want
to
see
that
community
engagement,
I
want
to
see
that
elected
officials
and
community
leaders
are
supporting
projects
in
their
neighborhoods
and
that
we
don't
just
weigh
the
the
whims
and
the
desires
of
developers
to
to
propose
what
they
think
is
best
for
our
neighborhoods.
You
know
I'm
a
big
proponent
of
affordable
housing,
but
I,
but
I
believe
in
really
good
architecture.
H
You
know
I
I'm
proud
of
all
the
buildings
that
madison
park
has
developed
many
of
the
buildings
in
our
neighborhood
many
of
the
projects
we
did
added.
You
know
over
10
buildings
to
the
national
register
of
historic
places,
so
we
were
sensitive
about
if
we
were
renovating
a
building
and
it
was
historic
in
nature
that
we
took
advantage
of
historic
tax
credits
and
and
use
that
those
resources
to
both
make
the
project
better
and
to
you
know,
into
finance
and
preserve,
affordable
housing
and
the
issue
of
preservation.
I
think
that
that's
really
really
critical.
H
You
know
we
can
lose
more
affordable
housing
in
the
city
than
we
can
build
very
easily,
but
not
paying
attention
to
preservation
and
letting
projects
go
to
market,
and
so
I
think,
that's
also
really
an
important
part.
I
want
to
see
projects
come
before
us
that
are
helping
to
preserve
these
these
these
buildings,
so
that
they're
affordable
to
to
our
folks
into
and
using
the
public
resources
available
to
do
that.
A
Well,
I
got
a
new
question
now,
actually
I'm
going
to
jump
in
and
I
just
want
to.
Oh
I'm
sorry,
I'm
frozen
on
video
for
internet
for
commissioner
irish.
Could
we
just
clarify
because
there's
lots
of
we're
talking
about
creating
a
whole
board
here,
even
though
we're
speaking
to
folks
one
by
one?
So,
commissioner,
if
you
could
just
verify
if
my
numbers
are
right,
as
I've
been
going
through
these
lists.
Currently
there
are
seven
people
confirmed,
including
four
members
and
three
alternates
of
the
four
members.
A
One
is
a
person
of
color
of
the
three
alternates.
One
is
a
person
of
color
so
before
us
today
are
four
new
nominees
and
one
reappointment
so
of
the
four
nominees
two
are
for
members
two
are
for
alternate
and
the
two
that
are
alternates
are
people
of
color.
So
eventually,
if
we
approve
everyone
here
today,
we're
going
to
be
looking
at
11
people
seated
six
members,
one
of
whom
will
be
a
person
of
color
and
five
alternates,
three
of
whom
will
be
people
of
color,
is.
E
E
I'm
proud
to
be
a
part
of
probably
the
most
diverse
administration
that
we've
ever
had,
judging
with
the
candidates
that
we've
put
forward,
there's
a
continued
commitment
to
diversity,
and
I
just
want
to
be
very
clear
that
that
with
the
alternates
on
this
board
are
engaged
very
often.
So
it's
this
is
not
a
board
where
the
alternates
don't
really
get
an
opportunity
to
to
to
have
their
voices
heard.
They're
they're
going
to
be
called
on
frequently,
given
the
busy
schedule
that
the
the
board
of
appeals
has.
C
So
could
I
have
could
ask
a
question:
counselor
is
that
out
of
turn
right?
No
okay,
so,
commissioner,
irish
and
you
and
I
went
to
high
school
together,
so
you
know
I'm
never
gonna
come
for.
You
like.
I
come
for
everybody
else,
but
I
am
curious,
though,
how
how
are
you
gonna
decide
when
you
call
upon
on
these
alternates
and
is
there?
Is
there
a
system
in
place
to?
Is
it
because
a
few
people
can't
show
up
and
then
the
alternates
are
there?
C
Is
it
because
there's
going
to
be,
you
know
a
conflict
of
interest
and
then
they
serve
like?
Are
these
folks
going
to
be?
No,
so
I
I
mean
I
think
we
need
to
reevaluate
at
what
point
alternates
are
coming
in.
I
just
I'm
just
curious
about
what
the
process
is
and
I'm
new
I've
only
been
in
this
office
for
eight
months.
C
So
forgive
me
if
I
don't
know
the
process,
but
I'm
very
curious
about
you
know
if
we
only
have
a
very
little
representation
to
begin
with,
I
need
to
make
sure
that
there's
going
to
be
a
concerted
effort
to
ensure
that
diverse
voices
and
perspectives
are
in
these
space
in
these
space
spaces
when
it's
time
to
speak
upon
issues
that
are
impacting
communities
who
have
traditionally
been
unheard
by
the
system.
So
can
you
just
help
me
understand
what
the
process
is
for
these
alternates.
E
E
It
is
a
variety
of
factors.
It's
you
know.
There
are
cases
where
we
have
members
who
need
to
recuse
themselves.
We
have
members
who
are
on
vacation.
We
have
you
know
different
scheduled
things
come
up
that
so
so
we're
always
communicating
with
board
members
to
to
try
to
put
schedules
together
and
find
out
who's
available
and
quite
often
folks
are
very
busy,
as
you
can
see,
from
these
individuals,
they're,
very
talented
and
and
busy
people
as
well
so
they're
not
always
available
to
meet
our
schedule.
E
We
have
more
hearings
now
that
we've
had
in
the
past.
We
have
a
thursday
evening
session
for
subcommittee
projects
as
well.
So
so,
given
the
schedule
and
given
people's
conflicts
and
availability,
it
often
leads
to
to
alternates
having
to
sit
so
that
we
can
have
seven.
Now
their
cases
now
there's
because
of
the
numbers
of
people
that
we
have
in
availability,
where
we
have
just
the
minimum
at
five
sitting
or
sometimes
six.
So
I
think
we're
going
to
more
often
have
seven
people
available.
A
And
I
just
want
to
clarify
so,
commissioner,
there
and
just
to
be
real
clear
about
this.
There
are
also
still
three
other
seats
that
are
open,
that
we
have
not
received
any
nominations
from
the
mayor
about,
if
all
three
end
up
being
people
color
who
are
nominated,
we
will
still
only
have
two
out
of
seven
members,
people
of
color
and
then
five
out
of
seven
alternates
people
color,
it's
just
a
very
you-
know
very
clear
disparity
there.
C
Yeah,
and
so
I
have
one
more
question
and
counselor
wu
and
or
commissioner,
since
you
both
know
this
better
than
I
do,
but
I'm
just
curious:
if
there's
open
seats,
then
I
don't
understand
why
can't
we
just
give
them
to
the
people
who
are
alternate?
What's
the
big?
What's
the
what's
the
reason
why
these
two
women
can
not
just
be
part
of
the
board
right
now
and
then
the
other
ones
that
we're
still
trying
to
figure
out,
let
them
be
the
alternates
like.
C
A
Yeah,
so
the
one
seat-
that's
oh
there's
only
after
this
crop
of
nominees
are
acted
upon.
There
would
only
be
one
additional
open
seat
and
that
seat
is
the
one
that's
for
the
mayor
to
choose
on
his
own.
It's
not
one
of
the
ones
through
the
architects
or
the
building
trades,
or
you
know
these
other
pathways,
but
it
is
someone
that
has
to
have
served
for
a
year
on
a
neighborhood
association.
H
G
G
C
A
So,
let's
follow
up
I'll
work
as
committee
chair
I'll
work
offline
with
the
administration
to
explore
some
options,
and
I
think
this
is
really
important
that
this
is.
You
know
that
we're
looking
at
this
again
systemically
and
not
just
person
by
person.
I
want
to
emphasize
person
by
person.
All
of
you
are
amazing
and
qualified,
and
I've
heard
from
all
of
the
nominating
organizations
about
how
hard
you
work
and
how
rooted
you
are
in
community.
A
So
again
we're
doing
it
a
little
differently
right
now
in
the
city
council.
Normally
it
is
strictly
by
individual
qualifications
and
motivations,
in
which
case
all
of
you
would
immediately
be
on
the
board,
but
we're
in
a
moment
where
this
really
matters
for
multiple
reasons
across
the
city,
and
so
we
want
to
think
of
it
as
big
picture
here.
A
M
Right
I
was
in
oh
now,
I'm
back,
I
don't
have
any
specific
questions
and
if
I
know
most
of
the
those
that
are
here
before
us
and
I'll
make
sure
to
introduce
myself
to
the
others
at
another
point,
but
just
thank
you,
everyone
for
being
here,
and
I
would
like
to
thank
all
of
the
applicants
for
their
interest
in
in
service.
It
is
one
of
the
greatest
gifts
that
you
can
give
to
the
to
the
city
that
you
call
home.
So
I
do.
M
H
I
am
still
an
employee
of
madison
park
development,
very
part-time
consultant
role,
so
I
would
recuse
myself
from
anything
that
that
came
before
the
board
from
madison
park
development
corporation
or
any
of
our
key
partners
in
any
of
our
developments.
And
you
know
I
don't
know
what
the
next
chapter
looks.
Like
hasn't
exactly
been
the
gap
year
I
hoped,
but
I
I
certainly
will
recuse
myself
if
there's
any
actual
or
even
perceived
conflict.
A
C
C
It's
just
the
whole
entire
process
is
a
little
bit
frustrating
eric.
Yes,
the
same
questions
that
I
had
for
acosta.
Yes,
question
that
I
have
for
you.
Your
name
was
another
one
that
came
up
in
the
article
about
the
cba
nominees
donating
to
the
current
administration's
campaign,
and
how
can
we
be
assured
that
your
role
in
the
zba
will
not
be
impacted
by
this,
and
then
also
I'd
like
to
hear
from
you?
How?
C
F
I
Thank
you
I'll
try
to
hit
those
very
quickly.
You
know,
I
think,
not
to
sort
of
echo
costas,
but
I'm
in
the
same
position.
I
do
believe
act
being
active
important
and
the
process
is
set
up
and
you
know
I
think
that
donations
are
part
of
that
process,
if
you
believe
in
an
elected
official
and
what
they
believe
in.
I
think
that
is
the
process
for
moving
forward.
That
was
years
ago.
I
I
believe
I
haven't
donated
to,
I
don't
believe
any
of
the
elected
officials
in
the
last
handful
of
years,
and
it
was
really,
as
I
mentioned
this
process
in
terms
of
being
introduced
to
the
zba
as
a
potential
seat
was
about
two
years
ago,
when
I
spoke
with
the
then
architect
on
the
zba
anthony
pazani,
who
served
for
35
years
on
the
board,
and
he
he
asked
me
in
a
very
sort
of
informal
conversation.
Have
you
ever
thought
about
sitting
on
the
board
and
I
had
never
thought
of
it.
I
I've
been
in
front
of
the
board
many
times,
and
so
you
know,
I
think
the
discussion
started
there
with
the
understanding
of
this
notion
of
what's
the
balance
between
serving
the
communities
that
you're
working
in
my
clients
is
also,
and
also
what
the
perspective
is,
as
you
represent
myself
as
a
business
owner
within
the
communities
that
I'm
working
in.
So
that
balance,
I
think
you
know
made
some.
I
I
sort
of
thought
a
lot
about
those
things,
and
you
know
since
then,
I've
sort
of
stepped
away
from
that
part
of
the
more
of
the
elected
side
of
the
world.
I
would
say-
and
you
know
my
focus
right
now-
is
on
my
business,
my
family
and
you
know
ultimately
this
seat
and
I
think
it's
it's
ultimately
very
critical,
and
I
think
you
know
the
the
the
issue
associated
with
the
zoning
board.
I
With
my
work,
I
really
do
see
a
lot
of
the
shortfalls
associated
with
the
process
and
I'm
going
to
sort
of
talk
a
little
bit
to
the
counselor
woo's
question.
In
the
broader
concept
of
you
know,
I
do
think
there
are
problems
with
the
system
from
start
to
finish.
The
zba
is
really
at
the
finish
line.
It
is
the
last
moment
of
a
project's
life,
either
yes
or
no,
and
the
the
the
it's
it's.
It's
hyper
focused
that
that
is
the
process
or
that
is
the
represents.
I
The
project,
which
is,
I
believe,
and
again
as
an
architect
in
the
sea,
is
false.
The
previous
two
years,
one
year
in
the
community
and
working
on
the
process,
is
really
what
makes
the
merits
of
the
project.
They
just
come
to
a
public
forum
in
the
term
of
the
zba
at
that
moment
for
a
vote,
and
so
I
do
believe,
there's
problems
in
the
entire
system.
I
I
In
terms
of
their
larger
capacity
in
terms
of
the
projects
but
super
critical
to
the
individual,
homeowner
or
resident
of
that
particular
property
or
the
proponent
of
that
project-
and
I
think
the
system
is
not
set
up
properly
because
the
process
is
the
exact
same
for
the
person
who
wants
to
do
an
in-law
apartment
in
their
single-family
unit
or
two-family
unit
as
a
200-unit
project
in
the
city.
Yes,
there's
more
planning
associated
bpa
and
all
things
that
go
with
it,
but
the
system
is
basically
set
up
the
same
way.
I
Now
again,
as
a
zba
member,
I
would
be
happy
to
be
involved
in
some
policy
changes
and
and
recommendations
how
I
believe
that
could
happen,
but
ultimately,
I
think,
as
a
sitting
person
on
the
zba
you're,
having
to
sort
of
take
all
of
the
experiences
that
we've
talked
about
today
and
you
know,
gene
talked
about
an
amazing
community
design
process.
I
totally
agree
with
her
on
that
and
most
of
our
projects
start
in
the
community
with
nothing
drawn.
I
Yet
we
go
to
community
groups
or
we
go
to
the
butters
and
we
talk
about
what
can
they
see
there?
Can
they
see
this
kind
of
project
there?
Can
they
not
see
this
pen
project?
What
do
they
want
to?
Do?
We've
done
multiple
outreach
programs
on
our
project,
so
we
take
a
community-based
process
in
the
projects
that
we
do.
I
So
I
think
there
is
a
process
that
works,
but
it
is
based
on
how
do
you
get
support
of
the
community
that
you're
designing
and
building
in,
and
I
think
that's
the
system
does
need
to
be
altered
and
changed
to
be
more
responsive
and
more
reflective
of
that
process
and
then,
in
terms
of
the
the
ethics
aspect
of
it.
I
think
that
you
know
I
understand
the
lines
of
ethical
responsibility
as
it
relates
to
the
seat
and
the
board
seat
and
my
role
as
a
an
architect
in
the
city.
I
The
with
respect
to
the
environment,
I
mean
all
of
our
projects
are
working
within
the
city
and
are
all
the
different
neighborhoods
environmental
concerns
are
something
that
I
believe
in
and
it
was.
I
was
trained
as
an
architect
in
environmental
design
and
architecture.
In
my
undergraduate
years,
it's
been
something
that
has
been
consistent
through
my
work
throughout
my
career.
So
currently
we
are
actually
working
on
three
or
four
projects
that
are
passive
house,
solar
or
passive
house
criteria,
which
is
much
higher
than
leed
in
terms
of
its
sustainable
principles
in
design
and
architecture.
I
And
it's
really
a
matter
of
how
we
think
and
work
on
our
projects
working
within
the
city.
There
are
other
issues
associated
with
floodplains,
flooding
all
the
different
aspects
of
it.
That
is
something
that
we
are
acutely
aware
of,
and
we
are
working
on
on
majority
of
our
projects
implementing
true
sustainable
practices,
whether
it
be
raising
up
mechanical
systems
above
floodplain,
whether
it's
raising
the
whole
building,
so
there's
design
criteria
that
can
help
us
manage
our
way
through
that
process.
I
Yes,
I
appreciate
that
and
I
agree
with
that,
but
I
think
we
need
to
do
better
as
a
an
approvals
process
in
the
city
to
ensure
that
projects
are
using
these
better
principles
in
terms
of
design
and
sustainability,
as
they
go
through
their
process
prior
to
the
zba,
because
I
think
the
zba
really
needs
to
be
a
body
to
listen
to
the
community
input
and
understand
the
project
in
a
fairly
quick
manner.
The
majority
of
the
hearings
are
fairly
quickly
quickly
done,
and
so
the
information
comes
in.
I
You
know
in
a
matter
of
minutes,
and
I
think
there
needs
to
be
quick
assessment
and
understanding
of
are
the
the
elected
officials
on
board
with
the
project.
They've
been
part
of
that
earlier
process.
Have
the
mayor's
office
been
informed?
Has
the
community
members
been
in
part
and
so
when
they
all
come
together?
It's
about
understanding
and
appreciating
the
process
up
to
that
point,
so
I
think
there's
a
there's
a
goal
to
ensure
that
the
projects
have
gone
through
a
process,
but
I
think
the
process
needs
work
before
it
gets
to
the
zba.
I
I
know
you
had
another
question.
I
want
to
make
sure
I
got
it
sorry
I
wrote
down
and
then
counselor
brandon
asked
braden
asks
about
the
fabric
of
the
city
and
I
think
one
of
the
things
that
we
work
extremely
hard
on
because
we
work
majority
of
our
projects
are
in
the
communities
in
the
neighborhoods.
We're
not
working
in
the
seaport,
we're
not
working
downtown.
C
I
C
I
I
strive
every
day
for
equality
and
anything
I
can
do
my
office
is
27.
People
16
are
females
which
I'm
super
proud
of.
We
have
had
some
luck.
I'll
be
honest.
Not
great,
with
hiring
minorities
in
the
design
field
is
extremely
hard
to
do.
There
is
just
not
that
many
minorities
in
the
design
field-
that
is
a
much
larger
issue
as
well,
and
so
in
order
for
us
to
get
our
name
out
and
our
we
volunteer
and
we
do
a
lot
of
work
with
community
organizations
that
do
represent
minorities.
I
We
help
youth
build,
who
is
in
a
high
school
outreach
program
for
minority
students,
and
we
participate
in
programs
with
them
to
bring
them
to
our
job
sites.
We'll
do
anything
we
can
to
try
to
bring
more
minority
designers
into
the
field
it's
hard
to
do
it.
We
have
had
three
or
four
minority
designers
over
the
time,
which
is
not
good.
It's
not
good
enough.
I
I
appreciate
that
as
a
business
owner
and
we
are
trying
to
do
better,
but
it's
something
that
we
continue
to
work
on
and
it'll
say
it's
it's
it's
a
struggle
and
we
appreciate
that
and
with
respect
to
me
as
a
the
main
seat
on
the
board
or
the
alternate,
I
would
love
to
have
hanzi
on
the
board.
I
mean
she's.
I
know
her
her
firm.
I
know
her
work
and
you
know
those
are.
I
would
rather
have
two
architects
on
the
board
all
the
time.
I
It's
a
very
complex
situation
to
be
in
to
listen
to
the
the
scenarios
that
are
being
put
forth
and
then
think
about
all
the
technical
criteria
associated
with
a
hearing.
So
I
mean,
if
I
could
advocate,
I
would
love
to
have
two
architects
on
the
board
at
all
time,
because
I
think
it's
a
really
strong
and
important
position
to
understand
the
context
of
where
these
projects
are
being
proposed
in
and
there's
absolutely
a
myriad
of
other
issues
that
we
we
all
understand.
I
But
I
think,
ultimately,
we
are
building
buildings
or
we're
trying
to
build
buildings
that
shape
our
city
and
shape
the
communities
that
we
build
in,
and
I
think
again
as
an
architect
and
a
leader
designer.
I
think
it's
my
responsibility
to
lead
that
process
and
not
propose
projects
that
are
not
supported
by
the
community
or
not
going
to
benefit
the
community.
I
This
is
really
this
is
I,
I
understand
the
complexity
of
this
situation,
and
you
know
and-
and
I
feel
like
you
know
I'll-
be
honest
over
the
last
year
and
a
half
I've
wondered
and
back
and
forward.
For
all
these
reasons-
and
I
think
I
just
keep
going
back
to
the
same
reason-
that
I
can't
not
try
to
be
involved,
because
I
think
if
I
can
get
involved,
I
can
actually
make
change
as
an
architect
and
a
designer
and
somebody
with
some
real
experience
working
in
this
city
on
the
streets
of
the
neighborhoods.
C
So
I'm
going
to
say
one
thing
before
michelle
will
take
away
from
me
and
just
response
really
quick.
Is
that
I
believe,
and
I'm
just
an
optimist.
I
believe
that
everything
and
anything
is
possible
and
you
have
an
amazing
opportunity
and
I
would
say,
a
responsibility
to
also
think
about
the
next
generation
of
architects
right
in
the
city
of
boston.
C
When
I
was
a
kid
right,
I
never
knew
about
any
of
these
careers
right,
and
so
I
think
that
we
have
you
all,
as
professionals
have
an
opportunity
and
a
responsibility
to
create
space
for
other
the
younger
generation
to
come
in
and
see
you
at
work
to
see
what
it
looks
like,
because
a
lot
of
our
kids
are
geniuses.
They
just
don't
know
it,
and
so,
if
you're
serious
about
that,
then
you
can
create
a
program,
and
I
know
this
is
not.
This
public
hearing
is
not
about
that.
C
C
Then
I
hear
that
everywhere
it's
impossible
to
get
black
and
white
people
like
we
don't
wait,
there
are
there,
it's
there's,
there's
a
world
there's
a
way
and
I
will
work
with
you
on
figuring
out
what
that
looks
like
I'm
just
the
bit
the
chair
of
small
business
and
workforce
development.
So
I
have
invest
a
vested
interest
in
helping
you
succeed
to
ensure
that
we
have
more
representation
in
in
your
industry.
So.
I
I
A
A
Good,
okay
and
again
I
just
wanna.
I
know
especially
mr
robinson
here
you
have
been
in
this
process
for
a
long
time.
You
were
nominated
long
ago,
I
think,
shortly
after
or
just
around
the
time
that
the
the
news
had
come
out
that
had
put
the
zba
in
the
spotlight
a
while
ago,
and
so
your
nomination
has
been
on
hold
again,
not
anything
because
of
your
background
or
what
we
were.
We
didn't
even
really
get
into
the
individuals
simply
because
the
system
itself
was
under
investigation.
A
F
A
Go
to
kerry
logue,
I
know
carrie.
I
don't
know
if
you
had
written
down
the
previous
questions,
but
there
were.
There
was
a
question
about
what
would
likely
be
conflicts
of
interest.
What
would
be
kind
of
your
philosophy
around
climate
and
how
the
dba's
responsibility
to
fit
into
that
around
development
as
a
whole,
and
then
I'm
sure
councilmember
will
jump
into
with
her
with
questions.
For
you
sure.
J
So
in
the
conflict
of
interest
one,
so
I
think
similar
to
what
eric
was
just
saying.
I
do
my
company
does
a
lot
of
work
in
boston,
the
you
know,
cambridge
area,
which
obviously
isn't
relevant
to
this
board,
but
for
any
type
of
project
like
that,
I
would
know
in
advance
if
it
was
coming
up
and
going
before
the
board.
So
just
recuse
myself
in
the
time
that
I've
been
sitting
on
the
board,
it
hasn't
happened.
J
You
know
to
me
yet
so,
but
aware
of
that-
and
I
agree
with
costa
also
about
perceived
conflicts.
You
know,
there's
you
know
just
you
can't
be
too
careful
and
we
want
to
make
sure
we
have
a
clean
and
fair
process
coming
from
all
angles.
So
that
would
be
the
conflict
piece,
environmental
matters,
personal
role
and
what's
the
board's
role
so
again,
what
I
do
it
works.
J
So
if
we
say
personally,
which
is
professionally
same
thing,
but
off
the
board
the
beginning
of
the
project,
we
would
make
sure
we
have
the
right
consultants
on
board.
You
know,
some
of
which
would
be
through
the
design
team,
some
of
which
would
be
through
the
owner
who
we
would
represent,
but
that's
anything
from
your
air
quality,
your
storm
drainage.
You
know,
utility
efficiencies,
impacts
on
the
neighborhood
things
like
that.
J
So
we
would
my
you
know
myself
as
a
project
manager
and
make
sure
we
have
all
those
appropriate
consultants
aligned
and
on
the
project
and
carrying
out
their
oversight
from
start
to
finish
and
then
for
the
zoning
board.
I
would
say
similarly
we're
kind
of
looking
for
all
of
that
work
to
have
been
done
by
the
time
you
get
to
the
end
of
the
finish
line
there
and
we
can't.
J
I
said
this
earlier
done
a
few
large
projects
in
the
city-
and
you
know
I've
done
a
lot
of
community
outreach
and
part
of
that
is
you
have
to
go
into
the
neighborhood.
I
mean
I
live
in
south
boston,
but
that
doesn't
mean
I
know
everything
about
every
neighborhood.
You
know
compared
to
the
residents
that
live
there
and
how
it's
going
to
impact
them.
So
a
lot
of
work
needs
to
be
done
up
front.
You
know,
get
a
feel
for
the
neighborhood.
What
is
the
culture?
What
is
the
character?
J
What's
the
community,
what
other
things
that
they
feel
that
they're
lacking
or
would
like
to
see-
and
I
forget
if
it
was
eric
or
costa
that
mentioned
this,
but
the
plans
we
see
it
on
in
zoning
hearings
a
lot,
not
a
lot.
I
should
say
in
comparison
to
the
amount
of
cases
we
see,
but
you
you
might
hear
the
oh.
We
didn't
have
as
many
meetings
or
there's
there's
times
where
you
might
see
a
large
group
of
people
that
it's
very
clear
that
another
check
check-in
has
to
happen.
J
You
know
to
just
to
make
sure
designs
change
again.
Architects
are
aware
of
how
much
that
can
change.
You
can
get
lost
in
that,
but
you
need
to
make
sure
that
the
neighbors
are
included,
and
sometimes
it's
just
a
matter
of
knowing
that
they
have
a
liaison
and
a
person.
That's
working
on
that
project.
That's
thinking,
hearing
their
questions.
J
You
can't
solve
everything,
but
you
can
certainly
hear
them
and
do
your
best
to
you
know,
make
all
parties
happy
and
then
what
are
the
ways
you
think
the
board
can
have
a
greater
role
in
overall
development
within
the
city.
I
think
michelle
that
was
the
last
one
and
again
I
think
just
hearing
it
from
all
perspectives.
You
know
whether
it
be
the
app
kit
you'll
hear
you
know,
someone
said
it
earlier.
J
I
have
my
family
member,
that's
moving
in
and
this
is
you
know
we
need
to
make
these
changes
to
an
existing
condition
or
you're
a
neighbor
who
you
may
be
impacted
by
the
view
or
it's
parking
or
the
way,
they're,
maintaining
the
property
and
interacting
with
the
other
neighbors.
We
have
to
look
at
it
from
that
view,
of
course,
in
conjunction
with
the
zoning
and
making
sure
that
we're
carrying
out
the
job
that
we're
all
here.
Volunteering
to
do
so
or
being
appointed
to
do.
J
A
E
A
Displaying
all
board
members
alternates
are
members,
but
just
to
reiterate
from
before
when
matters
are
before
the
board,
it
is
the
the
members
who
take
the
vote,
and
the
only
way
that
alternates
are
voting
is
one
unless
there's
not
a
full
seven
members
present
at
that
meeting
and
then
two,
unless
that
sort
of
member
for
that
same
seat,
that
the
alternate
represents
is
conflicted
out.
Is
that
correct.
A
Okay,
so
for
example,
and
then,
commissioner,
could
you
just
clarify
this
might
be
getting
really
into
the
weeds?
But
let's
say
there
are
six
members
seated
and
three
alternates
which
of
the
three
alternates
steps
in
to
that
meeting
to
become
the
member.
Then
how
do
you
decide
which
of
the
alternates.
E
So
I
mean
currently
because
we're
so
short
I
mean
we,
we
have
no
architects,
so
you
know
do
we
need
an
architect
who's
who's
not
available
for
that
meeting.
So
I
mean
it's:
it's
really
more
of
an
art
than
a
science
in
terms
of
filming
the
vacancies,
and
sometimes
it
just
comes
down
to
you
know
in
the
time
that
I've
been
commissioner
of
isd
has
been
who's
available.
Just
so
we
can
try
to
get
seven.
A
There
are
currently
seven
members
seated,
that
is,
as
I've
traced
back
the
sort
of
lineage
of
each
seat.
That
is
not
an
abnormal
number
of
seats
that
has
been
the
total
during
the
course
of
this
administration.
Is
that
correct
that?
Even
at
one
point
during
the
administration,
there
were
only
six
people
seated
and
and
frequently
there's
been
seven
or
eight,
but
seven
is
not
an
abnormally
low
number.
E
So
I
could
look
into
that,
but
be
honest.
I've
been
in
the
position
this
position
since
june
last
year,
so
I
can
only
speak
fit
to
that
time
right
now,
but
I
have
I'm
happy
to
look
back
further
back
historically
to
to
answer
that
question.
With
respect
to
the
first
part
of
the
question,
I
think
we've
been
very
clear
that
the
significant
backlog
that
we
have
was
due
to
covet.
E
We
are
trying
to
eliminate
the
backlog,
and
so
it
is
fair
to
say
that
not
having
you
know
it's,
you
know
more
members
available
to
us.
It
does
create
a
challenge
when
we
try
to
schedule
cases
and
it
has
led
to
some
deferrals
and
some
cases
being
pushed
back,
but
I
think
that's
something
that
we're
all
collectively
working
on
so
but
but
I
agree
this
this
issue
that
we're
all
trying
to
solve
was
largely
created
due
to
covet
19.
A
So
I
just
want
to
be
very
clear
that
we
are
doing
this
and
it
is
not
relate
directly
related
or
causing
some
of
the
kobit
impacts
and
then
the
other
p.
I
just
really
want
to
clarify
and
I'm
happy
to
share
the
data
if
anyone's
interested
I've
traced
these
seats
back
to
2012.,
we've
regularly
had
seven
or
eight
members,
and
so
this
again
the
number
that
we
have
now
is
not
fewer
than
usually.
A
We
have
at
one
point
between
2012
and
now
there
were
up
to
10
members,
but
it's
fluctuated
constantly
and
we've
had
four
sudden
resignations
from
the
board
within
the
last
year
and
that's
why
the
council
has
had
to
approve
these,
and
so
I
just
want
to
be
very
clear
about
what
you
know
where
we
are
and
that
we
are
going
through
a
process
that
is
deliberate.
That
is
thoughtful
and
it
looks
at
the
bigger
systemic
picture
and
so
again
really
grateful
for
all
of
you
for
being
willing
to
be
part
of
this.
A
We
fully
back
the
the
board
and
its
efforts
and
want
to
make
sure
that
we're
just
doing
everything
we
can
in
this
moment
for
the
city
to
respond
to
the
crises
that
are
before
us.
So
thank
you
all
I'll
go
to
in
case
any
of
my
colleagues
want
to
offer
a
final
closing
statement:
counselor
mejia,
our
counselor
savvy
george.
C
C
You
know
that
I
do
have
some
reservations
about
the
fact
that
the
two
women
of
color
are
serving
as
alternates,
and
I
do
appreciate,
commissioner
irish,
your
your
sentiments
that
they
that
they
are
a
valued
voice
and
they,
but
at
the
end
of
the
day,
the
bottom
line
is
that
if
you
don't
you're,
not
if
you're,
not
a
legit
voting
member,
when
it
really
matters,
then
you
know
it's
great
to
have
your
name
on
the
on
the
piece
of
paper.
But
it
just
feels
a
little
bit
transactional
and
we
need
to
we
need
to.
C
M
M
I
think
the
zba's
got
even
more
sort
of
special
twist
to
it
and
sort
of
that.
The
pressures
and
the
pressure
points
that
you
would
be
dealing
with
in
that
capacity.
So
I'm
grateful
for
your
desire
to
serve
and
grateful
for
your
interest
in
the
future
of
the
city
and
being
a
part
of
building
that
that
future
and
building
the
city
for
the
future.
So
I'm
grateful
for
your
interest,
grateful
grateful
for
your
desire
and
look
forward
to
moving
ahead
with
the
next
steps
that
we
have
at
the
council
level.