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Dockets #0738 0743, 0866 0867, 0918 0921- Message and orders for the confirmation of Appointments and Reappointments to the Beacon Hill Architectural Commission, Boston Landmarks Commission, Zoning Commission and the Board of Directors of the Boston Industrial Development Finance Authority
A
A
Good
morning,
everyone
and
welcome
to
the
boston
city
council's
committee
on
planning
development
and
transportation.
We
are
having
our
hearing
on
a
number
of
different
targets,
which
I
will
read
into
the
record
shortly.
First,
I
want
to
introduce
myself.
My
name
is
michelle
wu,
I'm
chair
of
this
committee,
I'm
joined
by
colleagues,
counselors,
kenzie,
bach,
liz,
braden
and
ed
flynn,
and
we
will
also
be
hearing
from
many
many
colleagues
from
the
administration
as
well
and
nominees
to
various
posts
that
require
council
confirmation.
A
A
Please
email
juan
juan.lopez
boston.gov
for
the
link
and
follow
along
on
the
live
stream
to
know
when
it's
your
turn
to
speak
and
if
you
are
testifying,
please
state
your
name
and
affiliation
residence
and
limit
your
comments
to
two
minutes
to
ensure
that
all
comments
and
concerns
can
be
heard.
Okay,
so
please
bear
with
me,
as
I'm,
going
to
just
read
into
the
record
all
of
the
dockets
that
are
up
for
discussion
this
morning.
A
A
right
down
there,
docket
number
0740
reappointment
of
drew
leff
as
a
member
of
the
zoning
commission
for
a
term
ending,
may
1st
2021
docket
number
zero,
866
appointment
of
myra
negron
roche,
the
board
of
directors
of
the
boston,
industrial
development,
finance
authority
for
a
term
expiring
april,
1st
2024
and
last
but
not
least,
socket
number
zero.
Eight,
six,
seven
appointment
of
we
david
halbert
to
the
board
of
directors
of
the
boston,
industrial
development,
finance
authority
for
a
term
expiring
april.
First,
twenty
twenty
five.
D
Thank
you,
madam
chair,
also,
the
president
of
making
this
brief,
really
just
grateful
for
the
service
of
everyone
who
serves
on
these
important
boards
and
commissions,
and
excited
to
hear
from
many
of
you,
many
of
whom
really
have
been
doing
this
work
in
our
community,
and
these
roles
are
others
for
a
long
time.
So,
thank
you,
madam
chair.
E
F
Thank
you,
council
wu,
and
thank
you
to
my
colleagues,
but
I
especially
want
to
say
thank
you
to
the
people
that
are
being
nominated.
I
I
see
them
working
in
the
city
every
day,
always
giving
back
trying
to
make
our
neighborhoods
better
and
stronger
and
to
the
real,
real
unsung
heroes
of
of
our
cities,
our
residents
that
do
so
much
without
any
notoriety.
F
So
I
want
to
thank
them
and
just
just
over
the
last
several
weeks
I
was
working
with
myra
negron
roach
on
a
project,
and
I
was
working
with
david
halbert
on
a
project
and
they're
always
giving
back
to
making
boston
a
better
city.
So
I
just
want
to
say
thank
you
to
all
of
the
all
of
the
people
that
are
being
nominated
here.
Thank
you.
Councilwool.
A
Thank
you,
councillor
flynn,
okay,
let's
dive
right
in
so
we'll
start
with
bidpha
bill
nickerson.
Would
you
do
us
the
honor
of
briefly
introducing
oh
hold
up?
Sorry
pause,
one
second,
I
see
counselor
edwards
needs
to
be
added
to
the
room.
Okay,
okay,
welcome,
counselor
edwards.
We
just
did
really
quick
opening
statements
from
colleagues.
Would
you
like
to
add
anything?
Yes,
because.
B
B
We
specifically
were
trying
to
find
more
more
renters,
more
folks
who
have
a
civil
rights
perspective
when
it
comes
to
zoning
before
you
will
will
be
coming
the
amendment
for
affirmatively
furthering
for
housing
to
make
sure
that
we
are
zoning
with
equity,
and
so
I
am
particularly
interested
in
your
perspectives
on
how
zoning
is
not
just
about
the
the
numbers
not
just
about
the
buildings,
but
literally
how
it
can
cause
injury
or
how
it
can
cause
healing
in
a
city.
And
if
you
don't
have
those
perspectives,
that's
a
concern
for
me.
B
A
Thank
you
very
much
councilor
edwards
and
we'll
make
sure
that
that
question
is
asked
as
we
get
to
those
nominees
as
well.
Thank
you,
okay,
bill.
Sorry
again,
could
you
please
introduce
the
role
of
bidfah
in
general
and
introduce
the
I
I
think
it's
two
folks
myra
and
david
who
are
here
today
as
nominees.
G
G
Generally
these
days,
it's
non-profits
these
tax
exempt
bonds
facilitate
projects
they
that
would
otherwise
not
cash
flow,
because
there's
a
lower
interest
rate
offered
on
the
bonds,
because
the
interest
is
not
taxable
to
the
purchaser
of
the
bond
and
that's
what
provides
for
the
lower
interest
rate
that
allows
a
project
when
you're
talking
20
30
40
million
dollar
projects.
That
is
a
substantial
difference
in
cash
flow.
If
it.
G
If
it's
a
point
and
a
half
less
than
interest
rate
since
1972
bid
for
has
been
the
conduit
issue
of
572
million
in
bonds
created
and
retained
at
our
estimates
over
20
000
jobs,
I
should
point
out
that
it's
not
the
credit
of
the
city
of
boston,
the
state
of
the
federal
government,
it's
the
credit
of
the
individual
borrower
that
facilitates
the
loan
and
also
when
I
talk
about
tax
example,
we're
talking
federal
taxes
and
some
state
taxes.
This
has
no
impact
on
tax
revenue
to
the
city
of
boston.
G
G
We
also
are
in
the
process
of
rolling
out
a
new
tax-exempt
lease
product
that
will
provide
a
self-liquidating
lease
for
the
institut
installation
of
performance-based
energy
projects
to
pay
for
themselves
through
energy
savings.
We
both,
I
think
our
board-
thinks
that
both
this
new
product
and
what
we
may
be
able
to
do
to
support
the
institutional
community
in
boston
could
be
very
important
as
we
try
to
recover
out
of
covet.
G
The
tax
exempt
lease
is
meaning
for
energy
upgrades.
There's.
A
lot
of
these
institutions
are
going
to
have
to
look
at
upgrading
their
hvac
systems
to
deal
with
the
changes.
There's
a
lot
of
institutions
that
may
need
to
purchase
additional
space
due
to
the
changing
environment,
we're
in
et
cetera,
where
the
biffa
can
provide
that
sort
of
financing.
G
G
Okay,
thank
you
very
much.
First,
I'd
like
to
introduce
myron
negron
roach
meyer
is
the
chief
operating
officer
at
iba
community
development
corporation
in
the
south
end,
and
she
manages
the
day-to-day
operation
of
this
5.5
million
dollar
housing
organization.
But
it
sounds
like
she
didn't
need.
Any
introduction
from
me
go
ahead,
maya.
H
Good
morning,
city
councilor,
as
phil
mentioned,
and
thank
you
for
the
opportunity
to
serve
in
bitfa.
My
name
is
maida
negron
roche,
I
am
the
chief
operating
officer
of
ivan
quivinos
politico,
which
is
the
larger
latino
led
organization
in
the
city
of
boston.
We
have
667,
affordable
housing
units
a
month
with
five
programs
for
a
preschool
program,
a
bilingual
preschool
program,
youth
program,
resident
services,
program,
financial
empowerment
and
arts
programming.
H
I
also
in
my
free
time
I
do
real
estate
investment.
I
have
multi-family
property
in
boston
properties
in
puerto
rico
and
also
in
tampa.
I,
when
I
was
approached
to
join
bitfa
many
thoughts
came
to
my
mind,
including
you
know,
should
I
do
or
should
I
not
do
it,
but
I
said
you
know
at
the
end
of
the
day,
I
must
do
this.
It's
disappointing.
We
can
do
this.
A
I
Well,
thank
you
so
much
bill,
madam
chair.
It's
wonderful
to
see
you
and
to
see
your
helpers
as
well
and
glad
to
know
I'm
not
the
only
one
and
these
interesting
covet
days,
counselors
and
committee
members.
Thank
you
so
much
for
having
me
counselor.
As
you
said,
I
had
the
chance
and
the
occasion
to
know
and
work
with
many
of
you
on
many
projects
across
the
city.
I
For
individuals
who
are
incarcerated
and
in
the
re-entry
process,
and
when
I'm
not
at
mit's
campus,
which
these
days
is
pretty
much
every
day,
I
spend
my
time
operating
in
the
community.
I
was
a
long
time
resident
of
east
boston
where
I
joined
a
number
of
different
community
based
organizations,
many
of
whom
I'm
still
connected
with
most
prominently
for
this
conversation,
east
boston,
main
street.
So
where
I'm
the
longest
serving
member
of
the
board
there
focusing
on
economic
development
and
economic
empowerment
in
our
particular.
I
Oh,
my
apologies.
Sorry
too
many
people
on
the
internet
at
the
house
today,
the
joys
of
at
home
learning
for
bps
students.
I
guess,
as
I
was
saying,
I
have
a
long
time.
Member
of
east
boston
main
streets
and
it
was
in
looking
at
the
work.
That's
happened
in
east
boston
that
really
brought
me
to
bid.
I
It's
really
important
in
that
way
and
to
go
back
to
what's
happening,
east
boston.
What
really
spoke
to
me
in
terms
of
bid
for
and
its
role
and
remember,
looking
at
the
website
and
seeing
east
boston
neighborhood
health
center
and
how
you
know
the
new
building
there
in
maverick
square
was
partially
financed
through
bid
for
funding
and
understanding.
You
know,
as
not
just
a
former
resident
of
east
boston,
but
also
as
a
consumer
as
a
customer.
I
Medical
health
care
at
the
health
center
and
understanding
what
a
critical
important
venue
it
was
for
the
community,
both
in
terms
of
our
public
health,
but
also
in
terms
of
lifting
up
the
community
providing
economic
opportunities,
job
opportunities
really
revitalizing
and
helping
to
continue
dynamism
of
a
growing
community
in
east
boston.
Specifically
in
the
jeffress
point
area,
because
you
can
link
that
to
the
funding
that
was
received
from
bitfa.
You
can
see
the
real
world
impact
in
terms
of
economic
development
and
in
terms
of.
I
Raised
very
important
points
and
other
hearings
that
are
on
the
docket
today
about
the
fact
that
we
need
to
take
these
kind
of
considerations
to
that
double
bottom
line:
notion
of
not
just
fiscal
benefit
for
the
city
of
its
residents,
but
also
social
benefit
and
social
capital.
The
city
and
its
residents
into
consideration
as
we're
thinking
about
public
money
is
how
they're
spent
through
public
policy
and
the
kind
of
development
that
happened.
So
I
look
forward
to
the
remainder
of
this
conversation.
A
Thank
you
very
much.
Okay,
we'll
do
questions
from
counselors
and
I
will
set
a
timer
and
see
how
it
goes
just
because
there's
so
many
folks
we
have
to
get
through,
but
I
won't
be
harsh
about
cutting
people
off,
because
I
think
it's
really
necessary
to
to
use
our
role
to
ensure
that
we
are
fully
engaging
with
with
all
of
these
wonderful
folks
who
are
volunteering
their
time.
Okay.
So
I'm
starting
with
counselor
bach.
D
Thank
you.
Thank
you,
madam
chair,
and
I
just
I
want
to
express
my
excitement
about
both
these
candidates.
Back
before
I
was
a
city,
councillor
myra
and
I
were
actually
on
a
cac
together
for
the
back
bay
station
project
and
and
she
just
brought
you
know,
a
relentless
focus
on
affordable
housing
and
community
to
that
project,
and
I
think
especially
for
something
like
bitfa.
D
What
we
need
are
people
who
are
totally
tied
into
community
and
imaginative
and
creative,
and
also
practical,
pragmatic
and
thinking
about
how
do
we
make
these
dollars
and
sense
instruments
really
work
on
behalf
of
our
community
organizations
and
I'm
really
confident
from
from
that
work
with
myra
and
following
her
career
and
then
all
the
things
that
I've
gotten
to
follow
about
the
important
work.
That
david
does
that
you're
both
bringing
that
right
synergy
to
this.
So
so
I'm
just
I'm
glad
to
have
you
both
here
today.
D
I
guess
a
question
that
I
have
might
be
a
piece
of
it
for
bill
nickerson
and
then
a
piece
of
it
for
each
of
you,
one
sort
of
brass
tax
question,
mr
nickerson,
for
you
is
just
when
we
talk
about
that.
You
know
the
the
550
or
60
million
that
biff
has
done
and
I'm
sort
of
interested
in
what
what
constrains
the
amount
of
this
activity
that
bidfoot
can
support.
So
I
think
about.
D
I
came
from
sort
of
on
the
affordable
housing
world,
the
four
percent
and
the
volume
caps
and
the
state
you
know
portfolio
and
I'm
curious
whether
we
operate
under
a
limit
like
that
in
this
space,
where
there's
a
certain
amount
of
activity,
if
it
can
support
each
year
or
whether
there's
the
possibility
to
really
grow
that
pipeline,
with
with
better
information
and
more
proactive
partnership
with
organizations.
So
if
you
could
speak
to
that
a
little
bit,
then
I
have
a
follow-up
question
for
the
candidates.
G
Thank
you,
counselor.
That's
actually
a
great
great
question
that
actually
lets
me
get
on
my
soapbox
a
little
bit
because
one
of
the
things
that
restrains
the
projects
that
we
do
is
that
on
501c3
ones
we
have
to
compete
with
mass
development,
who's,
the
big
big
player,
obviously
the
size
of
their
staff
and
outreach,
and
so
we
don't
get
that
many
projects
in
the
city.
G
Please
give
us
the
opportunity
to
talk
to
them
and
see
if
we
could
provide
that
financing.
Now
beyond
that,
the
limitations
are
you
mentioned
housing
we're
not
authorized
we're
governed
by
chapter
40d
of
mass
general
law.
We're
not
authorized
under
under
that
to
do
housing
and
the
federal
regulations
are
very
specific
in
in
how
they
guide
what's
actually
eligible
for
tax
exempt
on
financing
specific
501
c
3s
are
pretty
much
broadly
eligible.
G
There's
not
a
lot
more
limitations
there,
but
we
also
have
the
ability
to
do
manufacturing
bonds,
but
the
nature
of
it
is
it's
a
very
antiquated
definition
of
manufacturing
and
federal
tax
code.
In
fact,
I'm
part
of
a
national
finance
group-
that's
lobbying,
to
get
a
change
to
that
at
at
the
at
the
congress
to
modernize
the
definition
which
would
put
things
right
in
boston's
wheelhouse.
G
It
would
include
things
like
research
and
development
and
intellectual
property
development
that
now
it's
a
very
19th
century
definition
of
what
manufacturer
is
there's
also
a
10
million
dollar
maximum,
and
you
couldn't
do
much
of
anything
with
that.
So
we
haven't
seen
a
manufacturing
bond
in
a
long
time,
but
more
than
anything
else,
what
restrains
us
is
and
there's
millions
of
dollars
in
financing
to
all
the
institutions
coming
in.
It's
primarily
that
that
mass
development
gets
the
majority
of
the
business,
but
any
outreach
on
anybody's
part,
especially
in
the
counselors.
G
D
Got
it
no
that's
great
to
understand,
and
I
think
I
think
that
you
know
it
makes
sense
to
me
that
mass
development,
as
sort
of
like
the
800
pound
gorilla,
you
know
it's
tough,
to
compete
with
for
sort
of
some
of
our
more
savvy
players.
I
just
find
myself
thinking
about
the
you
know,
projects
and
entities
who
never
think
about
this
bonding
option
at
all
and
how
and
how
we
could
how
we
could.
Potentially
you
know,
build
relationships
there
to
really
increase
the
pipeline.
D
So
my
question
for
the
candidates-
and
I
promised
madam
chairs
my
last
comment-
is
just-
is
just
sort
of
what
most
excites
you
about
like
potential
in
this
role.
You
know
when,
when
you
were
asked
to
serve
in
this
capacity,
and
especially
in
light
of
the
situation
we
find
ourselves
in
with
covet
19.
H
I
didn't
know
that
the
city
of
boston
has
this
a
platform
for
businesses,
and
I
would
say
it's
just
to
market
this
opportunity
and
what
the
city
of
boston
is
offering
that
can
others
and
also
minority,
can
gain
access
to
these
opportunities
assets
and
also
helping
businesses.
Does
that
answer
your
question.
I
This
counselor,
thank
you
so
much.
That's
a
great
question,
I
think
very
similar
to
what
myra
was
saying:
it's
really
expanding
that
option
and
that
access
to
capital
for
under
capitalized
groups-
and
I
think,
when
we
think
about
that,
the
opportunity
to
think
about
that
in
a
very
broad-based
way.
So
I
think
we
often
put
that
in
terms
of
racial
demographics,
understandably,
but
also
thinking
about
that
in
terms
of
women-led
businesses.
I
Thinking
about
that
in
terms
of
businesses
that
are
led
by
members
of
the
lgbtq
community
veterans,
who
are
you
know,
trying
to
get
businesses
up
off
the
ground
after
returning
from
service
and
expanding,
how
we
think
about
investment
in
the
city
from
a
business
perspective.
You
know,
of
course,
there's
so
much
focus
on
downtown
for
obvious
reasons.
I
That
is
the
the
economic
engine
that
drives
so
much
of
the
city,
but
that
there
is
vibrancy
and
that
there's
economic
vitality
throughout
the
city
and
all
22
wards,
and
that
we
want
to
make
sure
that
our
capital
is
flowing
and
developing
and
building
all
of
our
communities
and
that's
the
way
that
we
become
a
stronger
city.
And
so
that's
what
excites
me.
E
Thank
you,
madam
chair.
I've
learned
a
whole
lot
already.
I
I'm
curious
about
I'm
learning
a
lot
about
this.
I
didn't
know
very
much
about
bitfa
that
you're
not
authorized
to
do
housing
but
that
you
do
manufacturing
bonds.
Have
you
can
you
give
some
examples
of
bonds
that
you've
are
funding
that
you've
issued
to
manufacturing
recently
or
fairly
recently.
G
Unfortunately,
as
I
mentioned,
the
restraints
that
are
on
the
manufacturing
bond,
we
have
not
been
a
well
I've
been
programmed
25
years
and
it
been
at
least
a
dozen
years.
Probably
I
I
remember
the
last
one
we
were
trying
to
do
that
didn't
come
together
and
that
that
was
probably
ten
years
ago.
The
restraints
on
on
deal
size
at
10
million
dollars.
G
That's
a
federal
restraint
under
the
federal
tax
code
and
the
arcane
or
archaic
description
of
what
a
manufacturer
is,
doesn't
really
leave
for
a
lot
of
opportunity
for
what
is
now
a
manufacturer
in
boston.
Historically,
we've
done
places
like
the
the
kataruba's
brothers
facility
in
new
market.
They
actually
just
take
a
while
ago.
G
They
had
to
move
to
a
bigger
facility,
but
it
didn't
turn
out
that
we
were
involved
in
that
financing
a
lot
of
traditionally
a
lot
of
places
like
winter
printing
when
they
were
in
southwestern
dorchester
on
the
line
there
acme
book
finding
in
charlestown
there
used
to
be
quite
a
bit
of
this
activity.
It's
just
that
the
the
regulations
surrounding
the
manufacturing
bonds
really
hasn't
kept
up
with
changing
dollar
dynamics
and
realities
and
realities,
and
what
is
sort
of
like
a
high.
You
know
the
type
of
manufacturing.
G
We
could
have
real
high
value
manufacturing,
it's
still
based
on
making
widgets,
and
so
it
really
doesn't
fit.
What
goes
on
in
boston.
These
days,
I
mean,
there's
quite
a
quite
a
few
over
the
years
over
throughout
the
city
of
manufacturers
that
were
in
the
old
days,
were
financed
with
tax
exemplars.
But
now
it's
primarily
501c3.
E
Yeah,
you
know,
I
think
the
cost
of
real
estate
and
gentrification
in
across
the
city,
but
I
see
it
a
lot
of
it
out
here
in
austin
brighton.
Is
that
we're
displacing
small
businesses
and
we're
re
we're
developing,
formerly
industrial,
light
industrially,
zoned
areas
to
become
residential,
so
I
think
we're
squeezing
and
squeezing
the
space
for
new
small
businesses
may
be
doing
some
developing
prototypes
developing
some.
E
You
know
like,
like
an
industrial
kitchen
for
for
entrepreneurs
to
work
out
of
and
we're
just
not
leaving
space
in
our
communities
for
that
those
sort
of
small
and
it's
a
certain
niche
mark,
a
niche
market.
So
is
that
something
that
that
your
group
would
be
interested
in
funding
like
a
maker
space
for
entrepreneurs,
or
would
that
be
something
that
would
be
of
interest.
G
I've
looked
at
that
I
mean
I'm
good
friends
with,
for
example,
jen
fagle,
who
runs
the
kitchens
that
are
over
on
quincy
street
and
stuff,
who
talked
over
the
years.
Unfortunately,
the
limitations
on
the
501c3
requirement,
but
if
the
tenants
aren't
501c3s,
then
you
couldn't
do
so.
There
are
layers
there,
but
really
what
you're
speaking
to
is
the
sister
program
of
bidford,
which
is
the
boston
local
development
corporation,
which
I
always
also
have
the
pleasure
of
being
the
general
manager
of,
and
we
make
small
business
loans.
G
In
fact,
we
were
just
given.
The
federal
government
under
the
kids
act
gave
us
a
grant
of
six
hundred
and
thirty
thousand
dollars
for
covert
recovery
loans
and
that
space
that
you're
talking
about
light
industrial,
etc.
That's
where
the
boston,
local
development
corporation
could
help
facilitate
a
project
either
with
standalone
financing
if
it's
not
100
bankable
or
what
we
really
like
to
do,
which
is
to
provide
subordinated
debt
to
get
the
bank
to
the
table
in
a
larger
project.
J
F
F
You
know
I've.
I've
spent
many
years
working
working
in
the
south
end
community,
especially
at
villa
victoria,
and
I
know
they
have
an
outstanding
residential
program,
but
they
also
include
community
college.
They
also
include
food
access,
youth
programs,
training
programs,
services
for
as
seniors
as
a
manager
in
that
field.
For
so
many
years.
F
H
Eva
did
the
strategic
planning
process
and
we
were
very
intentionally
in
provide
more
support
to
our
residents
through
resident
services
to
providing
food
assets
and
quality
food
assets,
because
it's
not
any
type
of
food.
You
know
access
to
quality
vegetable
fruits
and
also
assisting
the
residents
where
they
add.
H
So
we
constantly
did
investment
and
did
the
investment
investment
services,
and
I
would
say
it's
just
to
empower
the
residents
to
meet
them
where
they
are
and
look
to
the
north
to
see
what
would
it
take
for
to
move
the
residents
forward
and
as
we
move
the
residents
forward,
we
move
the
city.
So
it's
just
kind
of
it's
doing
little
pieces.
But
I
would
say
what
I
have
learned
more
is
just
supporting
the
residents
creating
the
plan
and
also
connecting
them
with
the
services
that
they
need
to
fulfill
their
dream.
F
Your
question,
thank
you.
It
certainly
does.
Thank
you
and
then
my
final
question
to
david
and
again
I
had
the
opportunity
to
work
closely
with
david
on
many
issues,
but
you've
really
been
a
leader
on
re-entry
and
people
coming
out
of
jail
in
prison,
and
but
you
also
been
a
supporter
of
communities
that
have
been
left
behind
in
trying
to
help
build
up
communities,
and
you
know
main
streets
programs
making
sure
that
the
benefits
of
the
downtown
are
shared
with
with
all
of
the
neighborhoods.
F
I
Thank
you
so
much
for
the
question
counselor.
You
know,
I
think
the
most
important
lesson
I've
learned
and
what
I
hope
to
bring
is
that
representation
is
incredibly
important
in
how
we
address
and
how
we
create
public
policy
and
when
I
say
representation
I
think
that's
a
very
intentional
use
of
the
word
as
opposed
to
tokenism,
and
I
think
many
of
us
on
this
conversation
today
have
seen
that
and
seen
what
that
means
and
by
tokenism.
I
It's
understanding
that
it's
not
just
about
having
a
master's
degree,
as
you
mentioned,
that
I
have
that
there
are
individuals
who
are
bringing
wisdom
from
our
community
from
all
walks
of
life,
whether
they
have
more
or
less
formal
education,
whether
they
find
themselves.
You
know
in
secure
job
situations
or
looking
whether
their
housing
situations
find
them
as
homeowners,
renters
or
those
searching
that
they
all
bring
a
different
level
of
wisdom
to
the
table.
I
So
I
think,
as
long
as
we're
being
guided
by
that,
you
know
we're
more
likely
to
make
policies
that
are
going
to
help.
Folks.
As
you
said,
you
know
so
eloquently
those
individuals
who
have
been
left
out
of
the
conversation,
often
in
those
communities
that
have
felt
left
out
of
the
conversation,
because
that's
how
we
enact
the
kind
of
policies
create
the
kind
of
city
that
I
think
we
all
want
to
live
in.
F
Well
well,
thank
you
to
meyer
and
thank
you
to
david,
and
I
know
I'm
I'm
supporting
them
and
they're
outstanding
candidates,
and
this
is
what
boston
needs.
These
dedicated
hard-working
officials
that
take
their
job
seriously,
so
outstanding
selections
and
I'm
looking
forward
to
working
with
with
all
of
you.
So
thank
you.
Councilwool.
A
A
A
K
Very
good,
thank
you,
ma'am
great,
to
see
the
baby
there
next
to
you
first,
I
just
want
to
obviously
go
on
record
as
thanking
all
of
the
applicants
for
for
their
service
and
for
their
commitment
to
our
city.
They
play
a
vital
role
in
kind
of
keeping
our
city
moving
forward
and
so
for
their
time
and
efforts
and
their
talents.
You
know
particularly
those
that
have
committed
and
taking
time
out
of
their
own
personal
or
professional
schedule
to
to
give
back
to
the
city.
K
K
K
His
commitment
to
our
city,
and
so
with
that
happy
to
support
all
the
applications
and
wish
everyone
well
and
look
forward
to
continue
partnership,
as
we
continue
to
move
our
city
forward
and
what
will
be
a
post
at
some
point
will
be
a
post-pandemic
world
and,
as
we
start
to
do
things
differently,
and
it's
the
people
that
are
before
us
now.
That
will
be
playing
a
a
big
role
in
in
that
as
well.
So
thank
you,
madam
chair,
and
look
forward
to
supporting
all
the
applicants.
A
A
H
E
I
Counselor
wu,
I
don't
see
any
conflict
on
a
professional
level,
given
the
work
that
I
do
at
mit
and
relative
to
community
involvement,
I'll
be
leaning
on
the
expertise
of
bill
and
the
team
at
bitfa
and,
of
course,
legal
counsel
for
anything
relative
to
east
boston
and
the
greater
matapan
area.
Because
of
my
involvement
with
the
gmnt
zoning
committee
and
east
boston
main
streets
just
to
ensure
there
are
no
conflict
of
interest
in
any
matters
that
come
before
the
board.
A
G
G
We
were
in
the
process
we've
developed
some
outside
relationships
with
people
with
more
expertise
in
that
space
than
us.
An
organization
called
green
review
that
we
were
putting
together
a
campaign
to
go
out
to
the
end
users
in
the
at
the
institutions,
universities,
primarily
and
when
covert
hit
it.
G
But
specifically,
you
mentioned
the
energy
related
climate
and
energy,
and
that's
that's
right
at
the
tax
exam
police
program,
because
it's
it's
set
up
as
a
self-liquidating
lease
that
the
savings
that
you
get
basic
basically
pays
the
bill
for
the
lease
and
the
motivating
force
for
that
is
that
when
the
facilities
person
goes
to
the
cfo
and
says
we
can
save
a
lot
of
money.
If
we
do
this
installation
and
the
cfo
says,
but
if
your
calculations
are
wrong,
then
we
don't
have
any
fat
in
the
budget.
G
This
is
self-liquidating
because
there's
enough
savings
and
that
savings
is
guaranteed
by
the
energy
service
company
that
comes
in
they
do
an
investment
grade
audit,
and
so
they
stand
up
to
that.
It
would
have
to
obviously
be
large
players
like
johnson
controls
or
train
or
somebody,
but
they
would
come
in
and
then
they
would
provide
a
guarantee,
so
they
would
make
up
a
shortfall
and
that's
the
real
motivating
factor
to
to
move
this
product.
G
As
I
said,
we
were
constrained
quite
a
bit
the
the
the
new
board
members
that
has
definitely
I
used
the
term
dynamism
when
introducing
myer
and
david
there's.
Definitely
been
that
in
the
new
additions
to
the
board
that
you
recently
approved
and
with
kathy
carter
readers
now
as
chair
as
a
long-time
member
in
in
getting
this
outreach
going
and
revitalizing
the
program.
A
Great,
thank
you
very
much
and
yeah
just
a
note
to
the
nominees
that
you
know.
We
very
much
hope
that,
as
some
of
my
other
colleagues
have
asked
that
the
the
scope
and
the
mission
of
bibha
can
expand
and
and
really
be
used
as
a
tool
to
to
match
the
ongoing
challenges
that
that
we're
facing
today,
especially
when
it
comes
to
climate
and
affordability
and
and
stabilizing
our
businesses
here,
okay,
are
there
any
other
questions
from
counselors?
A
A
A
A
L
Good
morning,
madam
chair
and
members
of
the
committee,
my
name
is
rosiann
foley
for
those
who
don't
know-
and
I
am
the
director
of
historic
preservation
for
the
city
of
boston
and
our
boston
landmarks,
commission,
oversees
nine
district
commissions,
but
we
have
just
beacon
hill
and
landmarks
here
today.
Hopefully,
we'll
have
other
reappointments
so
that
we
can
come
back
and
talk
more
about
the
great
work
we
do
for
beacon
hill.
L
A
L
L
M
M
Prior
to
that,
I
was
with
a
local
masonry
company,
where
I
did
multiple
projects
throughout
the
city
and
massachusetts.
For
his
part,
I'm
extremely
excited
to
join
boston.
Landmarks,
commission,
I'm
very,
very
passionate
about
this
piece
of
our
history,
as
well
as
what
I
do
on
a
day
to
day
at
shawmut.
I
I
am.
M
I'm
excited
to,
hopefully
be
a
part
of
that
as
well
and
lastly,
the
other
you
know
piece
of
of
passion
I
have
for
this
is
trying
to
bring
more
of
younger
generations
into
the
love
of
preservation.
The
way
that
I
have,
I
think,
that's
something
that
we
also
need
to
focus
on
as
well
just
to
keep
the
momentum.
L
Thanks
justine
next
up
is
diana
parkan,
who's
being
reappointed
to
the
boston
landmarks.
Commission,
please,
you
know
sorry.
She
can't
be
here
today,
obviously
she's
also
serving
on
the
south
end
district
commission
and
is
taking
on
the
role
of
study
committee
chair
of
the
highland
park,
architectural
conservation
district.
L
That
is
right
now
in
progress,
so
he's
wearing
a
lot
of
pats.
Diana
is
director
of
capital
improvements
and
facility
operations
for
the
museum
of
african
american
history,
and
she
has
also
taken
on
the
considerable
task
of
managing
the
preservation,
maintenance
and
protection
of
the
museum's
four
historic
sites
in
boston
and
nantucket.
L
L
N
N
That
was
formed
to
develop
the
guidelines
for
the
development
of
the
the
guidelines
for
development
for
the
four
point
channel,
landmark
district
commission.
That
was
a
committee
that
we
met
for
almost
two
years
to
develop
these
guidelines
and
then
that
obviously
resulted
in
having
that
district
be
accepted
as
a
landmark
district.
And
now
my
role
in
shifted
to
be
chair
of
that
commission
and
with
so
much
interest
from
in
terms
of
development.
N
In
that
district,
it's
been
been
really
rewarding
to
have
a
role
in
helping
to
shape
that,
and
I
think
that's
I.
I
would
hope
that
I
could
be.
You
know
reappointed
to
this
position.
It's
something!
That's
that
interests
me
very
much
and
I
believe
I
still
have
a
lot
of
to
give
to
it
and
just
a
little
bit
of
me.
For
my
background,
I
am
a
landscape
architect.
L
L
D
D
I
guess,
and
I
should
say
I
just
finished-
writing
a
lot
of
letters
addressed
to
felicia
for
the
community
preservation
act
front
and
grateful
to
her
service
on
that,
and
obviously
her
service,
as
a
chair
of
that
committee,
is,
is
through
her
service
on
the
landmarks
commission
because
she
holds
the
seat
that
the
commission
has
sort
of
statutorily
on
the
on
the
cpc
but
and
so
grateful.
For
that
I
I
wanted
to
ask
the
candidates
who
are
here.
D
N
D
M
I
would
completely
agree
with
what
david
was
saying
and
bringing
the
conversation
as
early
as
possible.
You
know
kind
of
going
through
that
process
on
the
contractor
side
during
design
development
and
pre-construction
any
at
any
opportunity
to
get
that
conversation
on
the
table
as
as
early
as
possible.
There's
just
so
many
more
ways
that
those
compromises
can
get
worked
in
into
projects,
while
folks
are
more
willing
to
hear
it
as
well
and
and
work
through
that.
M
D
F
F
I
just
want
to
say
thank
you
to
roseanne
for
her
her
work
for
many
years,
so
I
just-
and
I
know
david
has
been
doing
this
for
for
a
while,
and
he
has
an
outstanding
wreck,
get
an
outstanding
reputation,
so
I'm
glad
to
support
david
and
to
support
justine
and
the
others
as
well.
My
my
question
to
either
david
or
justine.
How
can
we
get
younger
people?
F
I
know
justine
talked
about
it
a
little
bit,
but
how
can
we
get
younger
people
that
may
not
be
from
boston
but
they're
living
here
now
and
the
professionals
working
in
boston?
How
can
we
get
them
more
involved
in
appreciating
the
historic
significance
of
many
of
our
buildings,
of
our
districts
and
in
what
is
our
message
to
young
people
about?
N
That
will
educate
them
as
to
what
we
do
a
lot
of
it
has
to
do
with
tours
through
districts
tours
through
actually
landmark
buildings
and
all
kinds
of
different
programs.
So
that's
key,
and
I
think
continuing
that
kind
of
thing
is
important
and
I
think
the
message
is
is
is
a
should
be
that
that
should
be
going
out.
N
I
think-
and
I
think
four
point
channel
is
a
perfect
example
of
how
we've
done
that.
We
it's
not
the
commission
and
the,
and
the
landmarking
of
that
district
was
not
to
put
a
a
glass
bubble
over
it
and
to
say
you
know
nothing
can
be
touched
here.
The
guidelines
allow
for
all
kinds
of
change
and
development
to
occur
sensitively
and
to
maintain
those
character-defining
features
that
were
beloved
in
that
district
and
that
made
that
district
significant,
but
yet
allow
for
that
kind
of
change.
N
M
M
You
know
in
that
group
particular,
but
in
others,
as
well
with
different
tours
and
walks,
but
also
some
some
very
fun
and
and
almost
edgy
events
that
really
bring
preservation
to
the
forefront,
and
these
are
things
that
are,
are
different,
outreach
and
different
events.
That
could
also
happen
at
a
much
larger
scale
as
well
to
to
bring
preservation
to
younger
generations.
M
Part
of
the
messaging,
too,
I
think,
is
that
a
lot
to
do
with
preservation
tends
to
go
more
on
the
stoppage
of
work
and
progress,
and
halting
of
that
I
think
we
can
really
work
to
to
help
change
that
message
for
younger
generations
and
all
the
things
that
we're
doing
versus
what
were
what
preservation
needs
might
be.
Stopping
that
makes
sense.
F
I
know
myself
and
counseled
bach,
as
as
we
as
I
mentioned
earlier,
we
we
we
represent
both
both
of
us,
represent
beacon,
hill
and
we're
both
proud
to
represent
the
museum
of
african
american
history,
and
I
I
always
say
to
council
bloc
that
it's
in
my
district
and
she
always
says
it's
in
her
district.
So
that's
how
a
big
argument
that
we
have
but
we're
proud
to
both
represent
it,
and
I
I
just
guess
my
final.
My
final
question
is
maybe
roseanne
or
or
david.
F
I
know
it's
a
historic
gem,
but
is
there
an
opportunity
for
us
to
get
some
young
bps
kids
students
after
the
pandemic
is
over?
Maybe
we
could
try
to
arrange
a
tour
for
some
of
the
the
students
they're
only
they
only
have
a
mile
away
from
there,
but
they
probably
have
never
been
there,
but
maybe
we
can
talk
offline
or
if
you
want
to
respond
briefly,
just
want
to
see
what
your
thoughts
might
be.
L
I
think
that's
a
fantastic
idea.
We
also
oversee
the
archaeology
program
which,
in
less
plague
written
times,
hosts
a
number
of
of
classes
and
where
I
think
that's
a
wonderful
idea
to
try
to
work
out
a
partnership
with
bps
to
come
to
our
cultural
institutions
like
the
old
state
house
as
well,
which
is
a
landmark,
and
you
know
we
can
have
a
conversation
with
diana
to
see
how
that
would
work.
F
F
You
know
they've
never
been
to
the
harbor
islands,
so
I
always
work
with
groups
that
can
help
them,
but
that's
why
I
bring
it
up.
I
just
want
to
expose
some
of
the
young
people
in
beacon,
hill
or
chinatown
in
southend,
to
some
of
these
gems
that
we
have
in
boston.
So
again,
thank
you
to
roseanne.
Thank
you
to
dave
to
justine.
I
look
forward
to
supporting
everybody
when
the
vote
is
taken.
So
thank
you.
Thank
you.
Councilwoof.
A
A
M
L
N
Yeah,
I
think
that
was
I
when
I
think
back.
I
think
I
only
had
to
recuse
myself
really
just
once
on
the
commission,
and
that
was
because
one
of
the
projects
or
the
applicants
that
came
before
the
commission
was
a
project.
I
was
the
landscape
architect
for
so
obviously
I
I've
accused
myself
of
all
of
the
hearings
that
we
had
for
that.
But
certainly
you
know
I
always
look
to
see
if
the
applicant
is
someone
that
I
have.
N
K
N
A
A
Everyone,
okay,
so
brian,
I
think
we
would
hand
it
to
you.
Brian
glasscock
will
give
an
overview
and
then,
according
to
my
notes,
I
see
drew
miss
drew's
still
here.
Okay,
yes,
drew
is
here
and
j
and
I
think
we're
missing
jane
so
brian.
If
you
could
again
give
an
overview
of
the
zoning
commission's
work
and
then
introduce
maybe
say
a
brief
statement
about
jane
since
she
could
not
be
here
and
then
introduce
drew
would
be
great.
Thank
you.
J
J
But
let
me
talk
a
little
bit
about
the
zoning
commission.
The
zoning
commission
is
probably
a
lot
less
well-known
than
the
zoning
board
of
appeal,
which
you
folks
deal
with
on
a
regular
basis.
The
zoning
commission's
authority
stems
from
the
enabling
legislation,
the
state
enabling
legislation
chapter
665,
of
the
acts
of
1956,
which
authorizes
the
city
of
boston,
to
develop
zoning
and
land
use
regulations.
J
The
zoning
commission
is
the
body
that
reviews
and
approves
those
regulations
that
has
resulted
in
our
zoning
code.
It
also
is
able
to
authorize
certain
zoning
tools,
such
as
the
plan
development
area,
which
essentially
acts
as
a
zoning
overlay
for
a
specific
development
site
where
the
site's
over
one
acre
in
size
and
where
there's
an
opportunity
to
leverage
greater
public
benefits
by
being
more
flexible
on.
J
J
Some
of
the
seats
are
specified
to
be
coming
from
nominees
of
of
particular
interests,
whether
it's
the
you
know,
unions,
neighborhood
associations,
chamber
of
commerce,
and
then
there
are
usually
some
at
large
seats
which
are
nominated
by
them
by
the
by
the
mayor,
and
I
I
think
you
know
I'll
start
with
nelson
arroyo,
nelson's
a
very
thoughtful,
very
passionate
member.
One
of
the
mayor's
selection-
he
he's
lives
in
jamaica,
plain
he
survived.
J
If
anyone
was
around
10
or
12
years
ago,
the
rectory
redevelopment
of
the
rectory
and
the
community
process
there
he
was
the
nelson
was
the
head
of
the
jamaica,
plain
neighborhood
council,
jp
being
one
of
the
most
diverse
neighborhoods
in
the
city.
There
was
a
long
hard
battle
with
developers
in
the
city
and
the
community,
but
resulted
in
a
terrific
project
which
preserved
the
the
directory
there
and
nelson
was
right
in
that
right.
J
In
the
heat
of
it,
he
asked
very
thoughtful
questions
in
the
zoning
commission
hearings.
It
brings
a
that
sort
of
neighborhood
activist
bit
of
skepticism
towards
everything
that
comes
in
the
door.
Asked
him
asked
some
tough
questions
and
he's
been
a
pleasure
to
work
with
real
stalwart
on
the
on
the
commission,
jane
brayton.
J
Have
the
right
answer:
she's
she's,
a
tough
taskmaster
when
it
comes
to
that
and-
and
she
doesn't-
you
know
tolerate-
you
know
any
obfuscation
or
anybody
trying
to
hide
the
ball
and
also
a
stalwart.
You
know
these.
These
hearings
can
can
drag
on
sometimes,
and
the
zoning
code
is
probably
boston.
Sony
could
probably
be
one
of
the
most
complex
ones
in
the
country
at
3,
500
pages
and
90
articles.
J
It
takes
a
certain
discipline
to
be
able
to
sort
through
this
stuff
and
and
parse
parse
through
it,
and
then
finally
drew
leff
a
nominee
of
the
great
boston
chamber
of
chamber
of
commerce.
You
know
professional
in
the
development
consulting
world
for
more
than
45
years,
a
very,
very
impressive
record.
Now
with
stantec.
C
C
Group
stantec
is
primarily
a
a
design
firm,
a
very
large
international
design,
firm
with
architects
and
planners
and
engineers
of
all
sorts,
I'm
I'm
kind
of
the
oddball.
We
have
a
small
group
that
that
provides
real
estate
strategies
and
advice
and,
and
it
helps
our
clients
understand-
I
mean
particularly
public
agencies-
understand
the
how
development
works.
You
know
we're
kind
of
the
inside
stand
in
for
developers,
often
in
the
in
that
kind
of
planning
process.
What
is
possible
at
the
same
time.
C
As
we
talk
about
conflict
issues
and
I've
been
on
numerous
boards
in
boston
area,
primarily
it
was
interesting
to
hear
the
landmarks
commission
commission
folks
nominees
talk
because
I've
been
on
the
boards
of
the
boston
preservation
alliance,
historic
boston,
inc
and
am
the
massachusetts
advisor
to
the
national
trust.
So
that's
something-
and
I
really
appreciated
those
remarks,
because
how
do
we
have
development
that
still
is
based
upon
the
wonderful
historic
heritage
that
we
have?
C
D
C
The
answers
in
terms
of
issues
of
equity,
but
I'm
I'm
a
great
listener.
I
think
it's
very
important
to
to
to
learn
and
understand.
I've
worked
in
many
different
communities
across
boston
in
bowdoin,
geneva
and
jp
forest
hills.
I've
worked
in
many
different
different
areas
and
I'm
I
I
want
to
be
able
to
understand
the
injury
and
how
to
help
with
healing.
So
I
think,
that's
probably
all
I
can
say
about
that.
D
Thank
you
so
much
madam
chair,
and
thank
you,
brian
and
and
drew
for
being
here
with
us.
I
guess
my
follow-up
question
drew
on
your
response
to
council.
Edwards
question
is
just
you
know
when
I
think
about
the
the
zoning
amendment
that
we're
working
on
with
the
administration
to
really
you
know,
put
fair
housing
into
the
zoning
code.
D
And
so
I
I'm
a
big
believer
in
I'm
a
historian
and
a
big
believer
in
the
ways
in
which
zoning
can
be
helpful
to
us
to
preserve
things.
We
love
about
our
communities,
but
also
very
wary
of
that
legacy
and
thinking
a
lot
about
how
we
overturn
it.
So
I
just
I
would
love
to
hear
your
thoughts
a
little
bit
on
on
how
you
would
think
about
the
expansion
of
zoning
into
more
proactively
and
affirmatively.
C
C
It
is
it's
important
for
us,
not
just
to
say
we
know
it
all
but
to
listen
to
the
communities
and
to
try
to
understand
what
those
objectives
are
and
then
see
whether
we
need
more
zoning
regulation
through
through
the
through
this
through
the
zoning
regulations,
or
do
we
need
less
in
some
cases,
do
we
need
to
have
incentives
built
into
them?
We've
certainly
done
that
in
the
past
for
affordable
housing,
and
I'm
certainly
open
to
that.
I'm
not
sure
I
could
say
give
you
the
exact
answer.
D
Great,
thank
you
yeah.
I
know,
and
I
would
say
you
know
from
where
I
said,
there's
both
this-
this
very
important,
fair
housing,
zoning
amendment
that
council
edwards
has
been
leading
in
partnership
with
the
administration
and
the
rest
of
us
on
the
council,
and
also
you
know
we
had
it.
We
had
a
hearing
just
earlier
this
week
that
was
co-filed
by
me
and
counselor
o'malley
about
precisely
how
we
might
provide
you
know
strategic
zoning
relief
to
some
of
our
deeply
affordable,
100,
affordable
projects
around
the
city.
D
F
Thank
you
thank
you,
councilwoo,
and
I
just
want
to
first
of
all
say
thank
you
to
brian
who
I've
worked
with
for
several
years
as
a
member
of
the
council
and
brian
you're,
very
professional
and
hard-working
ethical
guys,
so
we're
lucky
to
we're
lucky
to
have
you
at
the
bpda.
So
thank
you
for
your
your
work
across
the
city,
so
I
I
just
want
to
say
thank
you
to
drew
also
for
agree
for
putting
his
hat
in
the
ring
for
this
position
and
I'm
glad
you
brought
up.
F
You
know
the
the
impact
the
environment
has
on
various
various
neighborhoods.
I
know
you
live
in
the
the
weather
district
and
I'm
proud
to
represent
the
leather
district
and
have
great
respect
for
the
for
the
neighborhood
there.
So
I
was
wondering
drew
how
do
you
balance
as
a
development
professional?
F
How
do
you
balance
building
a
project
developing
a
project
and
working
with
the
community
on
issues
that
the
community
may
not
be
in
agreement
with
on
the
development
team,
maybe
on
environmental
concerns
or
maybe
on
on
on
other
concerns?
I
just
want
to
know
what
what
your
history
has
been
in
terms
of
interacting
with
in
interacting
with
the
community.
C
C
So
this
has
been
a
very
important
part
of
my
career
and
I
think
when
I
was
when
I
first
came
to
boston
in
nineteen
1976,
I
want
to
make
our
city
transform
our
city,
make
it
more
beautiful,
etc,
and
when
I
first
started
working
on
projects,
I
began
to
realize.
Well,
I
have
lots
of
great
ideas,
but
it's
not
necessarily
the
right
thing
for
the
community.
C
I
need
to
understand
the
community,
I'm
just
going
to
give
you
an
example
of
a
project
I
worked
on
goes
back
a
few
years
now
university
park
at
mit.
The
I
managed
that
development
project
from
the
beginning
for
forest
city
development
on
land
that
was
owned
by
mit,
and
I
thought
I
had
a
great
plan
everything
else.
What
I
began
to
realize
right
away
is
that
I
really
needed
to
listen
to
the
community.
We
could
have
a
conversation
that
they
needed
to
understand.
C
I
think
we
had
all
but
one
vote
from
the
cambridge
city
council
in
support
of
a
rezoning
that
everybody
could
could
come
around
and
it
was
a
win-win
for
everybody,
and
I've
always
taken
that
approach
in
other
development
projects
working
for
dkm
trying
to
redevelop
denver
state
hospital.
I
put
it
out
for
developer,
you
know
for
disposition
for
developers
and
meeting
the
various
goals
in
terms
of
affordable
housing.
C
Things
like
that,
we
had
to
get
a
rezoning
through
the
city
up
and
through
the
through
the
town
of
danvers
a
open
town
meeting.
It
was
no
I'm
sorry,
it
was
a
representative
town
meeting
and
we
were
able
to
get
a
95
vote
out
of
that
because
we
worked
with
people
we
stopped
and
we
listened
to
them.
So
I
think
those
are
the.
Those
are
the
important
things
one
each
needs
to
do.
F
A
C
Thank
you,
counselor
edwards.
I'm
not
sure
that
I
can
say
that
I
know
all
of
the
all
the
incidents
of
injury
and
and
and
that
occurred
with
our
currents
with
our
current
zoning.
I
want
to
hear
understand
that
better
from
people
that
that
have
experienced
that
what
I
can
say
is
that
you
know
often
within
some
some
communities
we
have
restricted
in
industrial
uses
that
have
noxious
effects
in
certain
communities
and
not
in
other
communities.
C
B
And
and
no
one
does
no
one
does
and
could,
but
I
do
recommend
you
read
the
aff
affh
task
force
report:
okay,
the
city
of
boston
had
a
affirmatively
furthering
for
housing
task
force
put
together
and
while
the
city
has
not
formally
accepted
their
report
recommendations,
I
find
them
to
be
incredibly
informative.
Giving
a
historic
perspective.
One
of
the
recommendations
was
changing
the
zoning
perspective,
which
is
what
we're
going
to
do
this
year.
B
B
I
need
a
commissioner
that
will
say
no,
not
maybe
some
changes
I
don't
have
or
haven't
seen
enough
of
that
leadership
in
the
zoning
commission
right
now,
and
that
is
that
is
big,
the
biggest
problem.
It's
not
seeing
the
injury,
it's
not
seeing
beyond
the
current
project
as
it
is
in
paper
before
you.
It's
not
even
asking
the
questions.
B
These
are
permanent
decisions
that
impact
people
for
generations
redlining.
It
still
impacts
us
today.
The
fact
that
we
have
highways
and
communities
of
color
such
as
chinatown
impacts
us
today
with
higher
asthma
rates.
So
if
you're
not
asking
those
questions,
if
you
don't
even
know
to
ask
those
questions,
then
the
injuries
that
could
be
caused
by
the
current
perspective
by
developers
who,
let's
be
very
clear,
very
clear
their
job
and
their
mission
is
not
for
a
better
city
of
boston.
Their
job
and
mission
is
to
develop.
B
C
C
J
J
You
know,
I
think,
collectively,
we've
we've
come
a
long
way.
We've
learned
a
lot
together
and
you
know
we
want
to
be
able
to
share
that
with
our
commissioners
and
certainly
you
know
anything
any
onboarding
of
of
new
commissioners.
You
know
we're
gonna,
spend
a
lot
of
time,
working
on
the
issues
of
formerly
furthering
fair
housing
and
and
and
the
related
issues
that
that
process
brought
out.
A
A
C
Here's
my
council
room
so,
as
I
mentioned
most
probably
better
than
half
my
work
is
outside
of
boston
outside
of
of
massachusetts.
For
the
work,
that's
that's
here
I
could
conceive.
I
haven't,
I
don't
think
we've
appeared
any
of
my
clients
or
myself
have
appeared
in
front
of
the
zoning
commission.
I
could
concede
that
there's
one
project,
I'm
working
on
with
dcam
in
the
city
of
boston,
where
I
would
have
to
recuse
myself
related
to
the.
J
Councillor,
I
probably
were
on
risk
of
not
interjecting
this
earlier,
but
because
all
of
our
commission
members,
whether
it's
the
zoning
commission,
zba
the
historic
district
commission
zone,
those
folks
are
all
considered
special
city
of
boston
employees
and
they
are
subject
to
the
ethics
laws
of
the
commonwealth
and
there's
an
extensive
as,
as
you
know,
you
I'm
sure,
you've
been
through
it.
Your
staff's,
been
through
it
in
recent
years.
J
I've
really
stepped
up
the
training
programs
and
the
requirement
for
you
know
recertification
in
in
ethics,
and
we
take
that
that
very
seriously
we
work
with
all
of
our
our
special
city,
employee
board
members
to
make
sure
that
they
go
through
that
process
and
then
there's
no
question
about
what
the
expectation
is
so
drew.
You'll
you'll
you'll
have
the
the
pleasure
and
pain
of
of
of
going
through
that
process
and
taking
the
tests
and
and
so
on.
J
It's
there
are
some
things
in
there
that
seem
very
common
sense
and
there's
some
other
things
that
you
maybe
hadn't
thought
of,
and
that's
why
the
training
is
important,
because
we
just
can't
assume
that
it
comes
naturally
to
to
everybody.
So
no
offense
but
you're
going
to
be
run
through
that
ringer.
Okay,.
A
Well,
thank
you
for
that.
I
appreciate
that.
I
also
you
know
just
from
our
council
role
with
some
of
the
work
that
counselor
edwards
has
led
on
as
well.
There
are
still
additional
conflicts,
often
and
whether
it's
people
serving
on
multiple
boards,
you
know
regulating
things
in
different
ways
or
we
see,
for
example,
with
the
zba
books
constantly
having
to
recuse
themselves.
A
Okay,
I
think
that
you
know
now
it's
down
to
just
me,
so
I
think
that
means
we
probably
come
to
the
end
of
our
our
questions.
Thank
you
so
much
drew
thank
you
brian
and
to
everyone
else
who
has
testified
today
and
is
willing
to
step
up
and
volunteer
for
to
serve
our
city.
We
really
appreciate
your
time
and
your
expertise.