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Docket #0921, surveillance use policies
A
A
Information
sharing
the
units
requires
Community
involvement
when
surveillance
is
used
and
when
the
city
acquired
surveillance
technology
you
and
its
limits.
Information
sharing
between
Boston
public
schools
and
the
Boston
Police
Department.
The
audience
requires
the
main
establish
a
surveillance
use
policy
that
applies
to
every
city.
Department
in
the
city
council
approved
that
policy.
A
If
there
are
members
here
from
the
public
that
wish
to
provide
public
testimony,
they
can
sign
up
at
the
sheet
right
as
you
come
in
the
door
to
my
left.
As
you
walk
in,
and
obviously
just
ask
that
you
legibly
print
your
name
in
any
affiliation
that
you
have.
We
also
know
that
members
of
the
public
should
email,
Christine
O'donnell
at
christine.odonnell
o-d-o-n-n-e-l-l
at
boston.gov,
to
request
a
testimony
link
for
public
testimony
via
Zoom
members
of
the
public
can
also
email.
A
The
committee
at
ccc.ps
boston.gov,
to
provide
written
testimony
I'd
like
to
stress
that
we
need
information
for
people
who
are
providing
public
testimony
via
video
conference,
especially
if
you
are
dialing
in
with
a
phone
number
or
if
you
want,
and
if
you
have
an
unrecognizable
username.
So
please
make
sure
that
your
name
appears
clearly
on
the
zoom
and
also
members
of
the
public
can
also
provide
testimony
via
Zoom
or
provide
written
comments
to
the
committee
that
will
be
made.
Part
of
the
public
record
and
shared
with
the
council
is.
A
We
are
here
today
joined
by
order
of
their
arrival
city,
council,
Aaron,
Murphy
city
council,
president
Ed
Flynn
and
city
council
at
lodge
rootsey,
Louisiana
and
good
morning.
Commissioner,
it's
good
to
see
you
and
I
know
you
got
a
whole
team
here
and
I
know
that
you
have
a
time
sensitivity
that
I
want
to
be
respectful
of
so
with
that
I'm
just
going
to
recognize.
A
We
also
have
a
panel
from
the
ACLU,
that's
Kate,
Crockett,
Fatima,
Ahmed
and
Alex
matthewso
without
further
Ado
we're
going
to
get
right
into
it.
Commissioner,
if
you
can
just
offer
opening
comments
and
remarks,
and
my
colleagues
may
have
a
couple
quick
questions
and
we'll
get
you
on
your
way,
absolutely.
B
Above
all,
my
main
objective
is
police
Commissioners
to
provide
Safety
and
Security
for
the
people
of
Boston,
the
police
departments
in
the
business
of
Public
Safety.
It's
our
duty
to
protect
the
public
and
to
take
this
obligation
seriously,
because
this
is
our
life's
work.
Additionally,
all
we
do
with
all
we
do.
B
We
are
cognizant
of
honoring
the
constitutional
rights
of
each
and
every
individual
we
interact
with
the
department
does
not
and
will
not
support
any
means,
including
the
use
of
any
technology
or
collection
or
retention
of
information
that
would
violate
the
individual's
rights
in
any
way
in
support
of
our
Public
Safety
mission.
Community
policing
is
key.
B
Community
policing
is
about
trust,
it's
about
getting
out
in
the
community,
listening
to
the
community
and
responding
to
the
community
and
working
and
partnering
with
them.
Effective
community
policing
always
starts
with
trust
and
I.
Believe
hearings
like
this
is
a
great
tool
to
build
that
trust
with
the
communities
we
all
serve.
B
It's
crucial
to
listen
to
the
community
and
understand
their
concerns
and
fears
and
get
their
input.
Part
of
my
job
is
educating
the
public.
We
must
be
certain
that
the
factual
information
about
what's
happening
in
the
in
the
city.
The
Boston
police
must
address
crime
as
well
as
fear
of
crime,
and
we
know
the
realities
of
the
two
are
sometimes
disconnected.
B
We
must
do
all
we
can
to
inform
the
public
about.
What's
actually
happened,
Happening
by
providing
facts
and
where
there's
reason
for
concern,
we
must
provide
Solutions
and
work
with
the
community
to
make
them
feel
safe,
similar
with
technology.
We
understand
that
there
is
fear
and
concern
in
technology
that
could
be
used
inappropriately
indeed,
by
interacting
enacting
this
ordinance,
we're
listening
to
the
community
and
recognizing
the
need
and
opportunity
for
further
transparency
and
accountability.
B
For
example,
there
was
a
recent
homicide
near
a
barber
shop
during
the
press
conference.
While
I
was
there
trying
to
talk
to
the
media,
there
were
quite
a
few
people
from
the
public,
or
at
least
an
individual
that
was
demanding
that
you
know
we
can
solve
this
quickly
because
everyone
knows
we
have
cameras
there.
We
didn't
have
any
canvas
in
that
location,
but
yet
the
public
had
this
expectation
that
we
did
and
if
we
had
it
probably
would
have
solved
the
crime.
B
A
lot
quicker
department
needs
to
and
has
an
obligation
to
evolve
and
to
innovate
to
stay
ahead
of
those
who
wish
our
community
harm
and
continue
to
update
our
technology
and
training.
We
must
come
together
as
Community
leaders
and
put
aside
jargon
that
takes
on
initiatives
to
modernize
the
department.
B
We
owe
our
community
the
use
of
every
tool
we
have
to
fulfill
our
mandate
and
leave
Boston
Boston
a
better
and
safer
place.
None
of
this
is
possible
without
our
communities.
Trusting
the
department
will
conduct
all
of
the
operations
in
a
manner
consistent
with
the
Constitution
and
with
specific
focus
on
protection
of
both
civil
rights
and
civil
liberties.
B
This
ordinance,
through
the
annual
reporting
requirement,
provides
an
opportunity
for
the
Department
to
track
and
publish
data
which
I'm
confident
will
show
just
how
vital
technology
we
utilize
is
the
department
participating
over
several
years,
the
city
council
hearings
to
help
shape
the
language
and
ordinance
so
I
know.
Council
has
recognize
that
this
is
a
transition.
This
transition
is
implemented.
B
There
have
been
many
popular
misconceptions
about
the
size
and
capability
Boston
police
surveillance
portfolio.
I
want
to
clarify
that
many
of
the
technologies
that
we
submitted
questionnaires
for
are
only
used
when
authorized
by
search
warrants
or
emergency
situations.
Some
of
the
technology.
We
we
not
only
use
not
only
identified
potential
suspects
and
efficiently
deploy
resources,
but
also
identify
individuals
who
are
at
risk
in
needs
of
services.
B
B
To
be
clear,
the
department
does
not
use
technology
for
any
general
surveillance
purposes
or
in
violation
of
anyone's
constitutional
rights.
This
is
not
who
we
are,
but
rather
technology.
This
is
one
tool
that
we
employ
strictly
to
fulfill
our
Public
Safety
mission
for
legitimate
law
enforcement
purposes,
who
we
are
as
a
department,
our
hard-working,
committed
officers
who
daily
strive
to
maintain
the
highest
standards
of
honesty,
integrity
and
are
committed
to
building
and
strengthening
trust
with
all
the
members
of
our
community.
B
All
members
of
the
Boston
Police
Department,
both
sworn
and
civilian,
are
committed
to
providing
Services
enforcing
laws
of
professionalism,
non-discriminatory,
fair
in
an
equitable
manner.
I
look
forward
to
working
with
all
the
community
members
members
to
make
Boston
safe
and
Vibrant
Community,
where
all
our
citizens
can
strive
in.
A
You
very
much,
commissioner,
we've
also
been
driven
by
my
colleague
city
council,
Kendra
labra,
and
also
just
received
word
from
my
colleague
city
council,
Ricardo
Arroyo,
who
is
has
a
flat
tire
he's
in
the
process
of
trying
to
have
that
repaired
and
we'll
try
to
join
us
when
that
when
he
gets
it
fixed.
Commissioner,
would
you
like
to
introduce
anyone
in
your
team
to
to
continue
with
your
opening
remarks.
C
I've
been
a
Boston
police
officer
for
29
years
and
have
had
a
variety
of
roles
and
responsibilities
throughout
my
career,
the
bureau
is
responsible
for
investigating
all
types
of
crimes
in
an
effort
to
hold
Defenders
accountable,
bring
Justice
to
victims
and
prevent
future
crimes.
The
bureau
also
plays
a
critical
role
in
investigating
ongoing
and
unfolding
Public.
Safety
emergencies
such
as
missing
persons,
kidnappings
or
active
shooters.
C
C
We
appreciate
the
council's
review
and
consideration
of
the
Department
of
surveillance
policies
and
look
forward
to
discussing
them
with
you
at
today's
hearing.
Hopefully
we
can
address
any
questions
and
concerns
you
may
have
regarding
the
policies
and
specific
Technologies.
The
Boston
Police
Department
is
committed
to
working
with
the
Boston
city
council
for
the
safety
and
the
security
of
Boston
residents
and
visitors
and,
if
I
may
add
with
us
today,
several
individuals
from
various
bureaus
that
would
hopefully
Aid
in
on
clarifying
any
questions
that
the
council
may
have.
Thank.
A
You
very
much
Janet,
either
the
superintendent
Market
settings
or
sumane
benefit.
Either
you
have
the
floor
at
this
time.
I'll
defer
and
follow.
D
E
Good
morning,
my
my
comments
here
this
morning
will
focus
on
the
office
of
emergency
management
and
just
a
high
level
overview
of
the
mbhsr,
which
is
the
Metro
Boston
Homeland
Security
region,
which
is
the
entity.
Excuse
me
that
manages
and
receives
the
UIC
Grant
on
behalf
of
the
region.
I
want
to
thank
you,
Mr
chair,
the
members,
the
full
body,
my
the
OEM
team
and
my
partners
in
city
government
and
the
mbhsr
partners
as
well
with
regards
to
Emergency
Management.
It
is
a
city
of
Boston
Department.
E
We
are.
We
have
a
unique
responsibility
in
executing
contracts
and
supporting
infrastructure
that
has
force
and
effect
in
eight
other
cities
or
towns
outside
of
the
city
of
Boston.
So
it
is
very
unique
in
the
Mandate
that
we
have
as
a
fiduciary
in
an
administrative
support
for
the
region.
It's
also
important
to
note
that
we
have
no
executive
authority
over
the
Grant
I
will
in
in
later
comments.
E
You
will
see
that
there
is
a
process
for
how
funds
are
vetted,
as
well
as
allocated
to
support
different
projects
with
regards
to
the
UIC
Grant.
This
has
its
roots
and
Lessons
Learned
shortly
after
9
11,
when
we
looked
as
a
country
at
our
posture
and,
most
importantly,
how
we
shared
information
and
this
grant
was
stood
up
to
help
major
metropolitan
areas
join
in
partnership
with
the
federal
government
and
other
partners
in
executing
and
maintaining
a
Readiness
posture
for
the
response
and
prevention
to
terrorists,
advanced
terrorist
events.
E
E
Fema
has
six
National
priority
areas
when
you
think
about
the
Grant
and
within
those
National
priority
areas,
there
are
specific
minimums
that
have
to
be
dedicated
to
support
those
National
priority
areas.
Fema
has
five
core
Mission
areas:
they
are
protection,
prevention,
response,
recovery
and
mitigation
as
a
department.
Oem
subscribes
to
those
same
Mission
areas
and
all
of
our
program
is
built
around
those
five
Court
areas.
E
The
Congressional
allocation
for
federal
fiscal
year
22
was
for
615
million
dollars
across
the
country.
Boston
received
an
allocation
of
16.9
million
of
that
16.9
million
of
the
615
million
dollars.
The
federal
delegation
of
the
federal
allocation
requires
and
the
law
requires,
that
the
top
85th
percentile
of
the
top
Municipal
statistical
areas
across
the
country
received
that
bot
I've
received
that
funding
and
Boston
is
one
of
them.
E
E
E
Our
allocation
for
fiscal
year
22
as
I
mentioned,
is
16.9
million.
The
application
is
submitted
to
the
state
as
the
state
administrative
agent
and
they
submit
the
application
to
the
federal
government.
I
mentioned
earlier.
Six
National
priority
areas
of
these
Six
National
priority
areas.
Thirty
percent
of
that
funding
is
required
to
support
these
National
priority
areas
within
that
framework.
12
percent
of
those
funding
that
funding
has
to
go
to
four
specific
areas
and
I
will
name
them.
Soft
targets
and
crowded
spaces
must
require
and
must
be
supported
by
no
less
than
three
percent.
E
We
also
as
a
city
which
was
led
by
EMS,
recently
hosted
a
domestic
violence,
extremism,
Symposium
and
training
here
in
the
city
of
Boston,
where
we
saw
individuals
come
from
all
over
the
world
and
all
over
the
country
to
come
into
Boston,
to
share
and
exchange
ideas
and
share
information
about
how
we
collectively
Can
it
can
increase
our
security
posture,
Community
preparedness
and
resilience.
This
really
ties
in
the
governmental
response
and
how
we
build
relationships
and
transparency
with
our
communities.
E
How
do
we
engender
and
bring
in
the
community
as
partners
and
how
we
deliver
services
to
them?
Cyber
security,
which
does
not
have
a
minimum
and
election
security
which
are
closely
tied
together
with
cyber
security?
What
has
happened
in
that
space
is
the
sisa
which
again
is
under
DHS,
has
the
primary
responsibility
for
outlining
the
federal
cyber
cyber
security
response
agenda.
E
So
that's
why
you
don't
see
those
minimum
days
within
the
and
I'm
almost
to
the
end
of
my
commissary
with
regards
to
the
Metro
Boston
Homeland
Security
region,
there
are
nine
gold
areas
in
all
of
our
programming
and
projects
supported
fall
into
these
nine
gold
areas.
E
E
E
They
were
always
also
resources
in
there
that
have
been
allocated
to
one
of
the
national
priority
areas,
namely
Community
preparedness
and
resilience.
That
has
helped
us
build
a
posture
where
we're
going
to
be
able
to
build
out
a
community
volunteer
core
program
which
will
help
augment
and
support
our
city
and,
most
recently,
we
think
about
migrants.
E
I
want
to
close
by
mentioning
that
there
are
multiple
checks
and
balances
that
we
have
in
terms
of
the
process
for
allocating
funds.
There
are
monthly
public
meetings
that
are
held.
E
The
state
serves
as
the
administrative
oversight
agent
and
all
of
the
resources
that
are
allocated
go
through
that
process,
where
there
is
additional
oversight.
At
the
state
level,
there
is
FEMA
Federal
Federal
region,
one
which
is
based
in
our
city,
which
is
the
low
local
attachment
of
FEMA,
and
then
finally,
there
is
FEMA
our
headquarters.
E
I
want
to
close
by
mentioning
this
body.
E
I.E,
the
Metro
Boston
Homeland
Security
region
heard
the
police
fund,
the
social
movement
and
the
social
advocacy
around
transparency,
as
the
commissioner
mentioned
around
ways
in
which
we
can
be
more
transparent
and
we
can
partner
not
only
with
Advocates
but
with
our
city
and
our
residents
on
being
more
transparent
with
how
we
deliver
services,
and
it
was
the
MBA
just
saw
that
adopted
a
policy
around
camera
around
the
camera
Network,
so
that
it
was
a
strengthened
document
and
it
did
help
to
support
the
trust
that
we
need
to
build
with
our
communities
in
how
we
use
this
equipment
and
Technology.
E
Lastly,
sir
transparency
is
at
the
top
of
all
of
our
agendas.
We
want
to
work
closely
with
all
of
our
partners,
both
the
city
government
and
the
private
sector,
and
ensuring
that
the
work
that
we
do
is
transparent
and
we
welcome
the
opportunity
to
have
the
difficult
conversations
in
arriving
at
a
place.
That
is
more
just
more
Equitable
for
all.
Thank.
A
E
A
You
Chief
Benford.
Obviously
thank
you
to
the
administration
superintendent,
commissioner
of
the
superintendent,
superintendent
and
everyone's
here,
to
engage
in
questions.
Commissioner
I
know
you
have
a
time
sensitivity.
You
are
excused
at
this
point
as
long
as
you're
leaving
your
very
capable
team
to
answer
questions
of
my
colleagues,
but
as
always
good
to
see
you
appreciate
the
work
you
do
and
look
forward
to
continued
partnership.
A
Appreciate
you
being
here
so
whether
it's,
the
chief
or
superintendent
client
I,
just
want
to
I'd
like
to
start
with
the
community
involvement
component.
If
you
could
share
with
me
as
sort
of
this
was
coming
together.
Really
just
two
focuses
for
me
would
be
the
ordinance
list.
Some
exemptions
are
there
any
provisions
in
the
ordinance
at
hampers
Public
Safety
and
those
are
those
those
spots
that
you
talked
about,
whether
it's
a
parade
or
a
marathon
Etc-
and
you
know-
is
the
department
comfortable
with
that
that
we're
not
leaving
ourselves
vulnerable.
A
If
you
will
and
then
also
just
dive
into
the
community
Community
involvement
component
of
sort
of
putting
this
together.
A
So
I,
so
the
first
part
for
me
is
this
ordinance
lists
some
exemptions.
Is
there
any
provision
in
this
ordinance
that
hampers
Public
Safety
from
from
your
Viewpoint
and
again
we're
home
to
to
September
11th
with
two
planes
coming
out
of
Logan
we've
ever
seen,
we've
experienced
the
Marathon
bombing
and
there's
been
a
number
of
evidence
over
the
years.
So
is
there
anything
in
this
ordinance
that
hamper
is
Public
Safety
number
one
too.
Can
you
describe
the
community
involvement
component
of
putting
this
ordinance
together.
C
So
I
guess
I
would
start
off
that
the
ordinance
was
was
a
was
a
major
task
and
putting
this
this
ordinance
together
with
finite
resources.
Finite
time
constraints,
you
know
we
we
had.
Lawyers
spend
several
hours,
I
mean
100
hundreds
of
hours,
trying
to
compile
this
information
for
this
submission.
C
A
E
What
I
would
what
I
would
like
to
say
is
I
think
the
opportunity
for
us
to
continue
to
engage
in
conversations
that
are
reasonable
and
balanced
around
the
need
to
maintain
our
security
posture
while
being
transparent
is
really
what
I
would
advocate
for
ruling
the
day,
as
I
mentioned
in
my
comments,
we're
committed
to
transparency,
but
we
can't
deny
that
we
want
to
and
need
to
secure
our
city
so
doing
it
in
a
transparent
way,
in
partnership
with
all
the
different
and
respective
stakeholders
is
the
appropriate
pathway.
A
E
The
community
I
mean
you
know
it's
clear
right.
You
know
the
advocacy
was
on
behalf
of
of
the
community
and
ensuring
that
they
have
an
opportunity
to
be
heard
and
an
opportunity
in
space
to
understand
the
technology,
so
I
think
working
in
Partnership,
where
we
can
get
outside
of
these
silos
and
really
have
reasonable
conversations.
E
I
I
think
that
there
is
a
pathway
to
balance
both,
but
I
do
want
to
underscore
that
you
know
maintaining
our
security
posture
while
doing
it
in
a
way
that
is
respectful
of
the
public
rights
as
where
we
need
to
be
on
this
base.
A
F
Professional
ability
to
balance
the
safety
and
the
personal
rights
and
what
I
heard
and
I
know
I've
talked
to
the
brick
and
others
beforehand,
though,
but
I
kept
hearing
from
just
the
short
time
we've
been
here
is
transparency,
trust,
educate
and
communicate
from
all
of
you.
So
I
appreciate
that,
and
also
as
a
resident
note
too,
when
I'm
watching
the
TV
the
the
example
that
the
commissioner
gave
and
how
much
you
can
provide
in
facts
and
how
much
does
the
with
social
media
and
how
fast
things
travel
nowadays.
Can
we
keep?
F
You
know
the
residents
educated,
but
at
the
same
time
keeping
you
guys
being
able
to
do
your
job
and
also
that
you
know
we
we
want
to
use
every
tool,
we
have
to
keep
our
residents
safe,
but
at
the
same
time
also
never
violate
anyone's
constitutional
rights.
So
I
do
appreciate
that
that
was
said
time
and
time
again.
F
I
visited
the
brick.
It
was
very
informative.
I
definitely
left
there
with
a
better
understanding
of
what
the
brick
does.
I
thought
I
knew
right,
but
it's
when
I
like
when
I
did
the
ride
along
with
the
police.
You
think
you
know,
but
until
you
actually
go
and
do
it,
you
learn
a
lot
more
I
would
highly
recommend
if
my
colleagues
haven't
to
do
that
it
was
very
informative.
F
C
So
yes,
in
addition
to
the
cameras
that
we
own
in
the
act
in
the
cameras
that
we
access
through
the
city
of
Boston
Whenever,
there
is
a
crime.
We
do
a
canvas
of
the
neighborhood
four
witnesses,
as
well
as
any
type
of
video
surveillance
and
oftentimes.
We
do
come
across
folks
that
have
ring
doorbells
that
are
very,
very
accommodating
and
want
to
cooperate
and,
let's
be
real,
that's
fair
out.
There.
C
There's
fear
in
these
communities
and
folks
do
not
want
to
do
not
want
to
appear
that
they're
working
with
the
police
for
fear
of
reprisal.
So
oftentimes
we
will.
We
will
be
met
with
resistance.
But
if
it's
pivotal
to
a
crime
to
let's
say
homicide,
then
we
will
seek
a
warrant
to
get
that
information
to
get
that
footage.
C
But
by
and
large
we
have
folks
in
many
communities
that
have
these
ring
doorbells
and
who
are
often
very
very
receptive
to
cooperating
with
us
and
often
calling
us
when
we
when
we
go
to
scenes.
We
constantly
make
a
plea
to
the
public.
We
need
your
help
and
we
constantly
get
information
relative
to
the
surveillance
footage
and
it
is
turned
over.
G
G
The
police,
commissioner,
highlighted
some
important
facts
and
and
points
that
he
that
he
made,
but
he
he
mentioned
and
I
agree
with
him
that
you
know
transparent
transparency
is
critical
that
has
but
Public
Safety
is
is,
as
is
as
important,
making
sure
our
residents
our
safe
as
a
district
City
councilor
I,
could
not
agree
with
them
more.
G
When
I'm
at
Community
meetings,
you
know
the
first
person
that
would
usually
speak
at
a
community
meeting
is
the
captain
or
the
community
service
officer
and
I
would
speak
after
the
captain
would
give
a
briefing
on
crime.
Stats
in
the
police
in
the
community
would
always
say
to
the
captain
and
to
myself
after
councilor,
Flynn
or
Captain
Captain
Sweeney.
G
G
G
You
know
it's
a
it's
a
global,
it's
a
global
City
people
come
from
all
over
the
world
and
we
need
the
tools
and
the
resources
to
protect
our
city,
to
protect
our
residents
and
to
work
with
our
partners
in
cities
and
towns
across
Greater
Boston
to
make
sure
they're
protected
as
well.
So
certainly
it's
a
balancing
act.
Certainly
there's
transparency,
which
we
we
all
respect.
We
are
in
civil
rights,
which
we
all
we
all
respect
as
well,
but
Public
Safety
has
to
be
a
critical
component
of
this
of
this
debate.
G
G
C
So,
thank
you
for
the
question.
Yes,
my
answer
would
be
that
this
surveillance
ordinance
has
hampered
our
response
to
the
community
to
Public
Safety
to
two
emergency
situations
that
are
happening
in
the
district
and
what
I
would
say
is
that
I
do
we
do
believe
in
transparency?
We
do
I
appreciate
in
the
department
appreciates
the
want
of
information
folks
in
the
community.
We
constantly
through
our
CSO
office
through
our
investigative
Bureau,
any
contact
we
have
with
the
public.
We
try
to
educate
and
we
need
to
continue
doing
that.
C
Putting
constraints
on
our
capabilities
will
definitely
hamper
the
service
that
we
can
provide
to
the
public,
I
I
will
say
this
and
in
regards
to
the
question
early
as
well
the
ring
doorbell.
Just
recently,
we
had
a
shooting
over
at
92
Westview
Street
because
of
bat
cameras
because
of
some
ring
doorbell
cameras.
We
were
able
to
bring
an
individual
individual
to
Justice
within
six
hours.
C
I
believe
it
was
even
quicker,
but
it
was
being
able
to
draw
from
that
from
from
those
from
that
technology
and
to
be
able
to
communicate
with
our
partners
and
get
that
information
out.
We
we
remove
the
dangerous
individual
from
the
streets
of
Boston,
so
yes,
I
I,
believe
in.
We
believe
in
transparency.
We
believe
in
accountability,
but
again,
there's
only
so
much
information
that
we
should
be
held
to
disclose
in
order
so
that
so
that
we
don't
jeopardize
Public
Safety
as
well
as
any
ongoing
investigations.
G
My
job
as
a
district
City
councilor
is
I'm
in
the
public
safety
business
as
well,
and
I.
Take
that
responsibility
very
seriously.
I
also
take
transparency
seriously
as
well,
but
my
number
one
job
as
the
as
these
Police
Commissioner
mention
is
Public
Safety
and
Mr.
Chair
I
can't
support
any
type
of
policy
that
limits
the
Boston
police
to
do
their
job
effectively
and
keep
our
residents
safe.
Is
there
a
way
and
I
and
I
asked
this
openly?
G
Is
there
a
way
that
we
can
come
to
any
type
of
conclu
any
type
of
conclusion
where
Public
Safety
is
not
jeopardized,
and
we
certainly
in
in
having
that
same
transparency?
I,
guess,
that's
the
question,
but
I
I
could
not
support
any
type
of
policy
that
limits
the
Services
of
the
Boston
police,
protecting
our
residents.
Thank
you.
Mr
chairman.
H
Thank
you,
Council
Flynn,
Flaherty
and
I
want
to
thank
everyone
for
being
here.
I
councilor
Flaherty
had
mentioned
the
importance
of
community
involvement
in
the
ordinance
which
I
think
was
really
great
and
important,
but
we
are
now
at
this
stage
where
we're
reviewing
the
surveillance
use
policies
in
a
400
plus
page
appendix
that
outlines
the
surveillance,
use,
policies
and
I'm
curious
to
know
about
the
community
involvement
there,
which
is
a
big
component
of
the
ordinance.
C
I
can't
speak
to
the
specificity
of
the
community
involvement,
but
I
will
say
that
we
are,
as
my
colleague
mentioned
earlier,
we
have
heard
the
community.
We
listen
to
the
community,
we're
at
Community
meetings,
weekly
I
would
I
would
argue
we
we
attend
a
lot
of
community
staff
command.
Command
Staff
members
attend
these
meetings,
so
we
hear
we've
heard
the
community
we've
brought
that
back
and
we,
and
that
was
implemented
to
the
exact
I,
cannot
give
you
the
exactly
what
what
was
well,
how
their
exact
involvement
to
for
the
policies.
C
But
again
we
understand
the
community.
We're
in
these
communities
daily
and
I
go
into
the
communities
and
I
stay
active
to
hear
exactly
what
people
in
the
communities
that
I
used
to
live
in
that
I
lived
in
are
the
wants
that
they
have,
but
I
will
say
perception.
Is
everything
folks
in
the
community
do
not
understand
our
techno
technological
capabilities,
I
think
sometimes
they
compare
it
to
what
they've
seen
on
TV.
So
again
it
goes
back
to
education.
C
It
goes
back
to
us,
educating,
folks
in
the
community
and
and
being
having
these
candid
conversations
as
to
what
we're
really
capable
of
and
what
exactly
we
can
do
and
cannot
do
so
again.
Education
is
huge,
but
it's
we
will
continue
to
work
with
the
community.
C
We
will
continue
to
hit
a
community,
but
again
education
and
I
I
think
we
need
to
educate
others
in
the
community,
our
partners,
that
they
understand
exactly
what
we
do,
how
we
use
this
and
the
parameters
that
we
have
in
place
to
make
sure
that
there's
no
misuse
of
these
of
the
technology
that
we
have
thank.
H
You
I
appreciate
that
I'm
in
these
communities,
as
well
and
I,
think
it
is
really
important
that
we
educate
our
community
involvement,
grew
up
in
Mattapan
and
Hyde.
Park
live
right
on
the
board
of
those
two
neighborhoods
right
now
and
I
and
I
know
that
folks,
right,
like
you,
watch
the
see
whatever
it
is
CSI
and
you
think
that
these
are
the
capabilities.
I
think
it's
really
important
that
we
spell
out
for
people
what
the
capabilities
are.
I've
heard.
H
Several
people
here
on
the
panel
talk
about
how
we're
not
infringing
on
folks
individuals
or
rights,
and
for
me
personally,
as
a
city
councilor.
H
As
a
court
of
the
first
circuit
decided,
which
is
rare,
to
bring
all
judges
together
for
an
on-back
decision
that
really
called
into
question
the
gang
database
and
its
usage
and
its
applicability,
and
so-
and
it's
listed
here
as
number
16
of
the
in
the
table
of
content,
surveillance,
use
policies,
so
I,
just
it's
really
important
for
me
that
we
do
have
a
community
voice
and
that
I
have
a
better
understanding
as
a
city
counselor
of
where
the
community
voice
and
input
is
here
on
these
surveillance
use
policies
because,
as
was
stated
and
as
folks
have
seen
with
the
gang
database
that
over
identifies
and
over
criminalizes
black
and
brown
folks,
it's
really
important
that
we
are
approving
surveillance
use
technologies
that
are
really
going
to
advance
Public
Safety,
which
is
what
we
all
care
about.
H
All
of
us.
Every
single
City
councilor
here
cares
deeply
about
safe
neighborhoods
and
but
not
to
the
detriment
of
over
chronology
over
criminalization
of
folks
who
have
no
need
not
have
any
interaction
with
the
criminal
legal
system.
So
I'm
curious
as
to
what
your
assessment
of
the
gang
database
is
under
this
current
surveillance
use
policy.
H
C
So
what
I
can
tell
you
and
again
I
would
I
would
ask
you,
as
councilor
Murphy
stated
earlier.
She
I
would
invite
you
to
come
to
the
brick
so
that
you
can
get
a
better
understanding
as
to
what
the
game
as
to
what
they
brick
does
in
the
game.
I've.
C
H
H
What's
working
and
what's
not
working,
we've
heard
repeatedly
from
Community
from
federal
judges
that,
as
it
is
programmed,
the
gain
database
is
a
source
of
is
a
surveillance
use
policy
that
is
not
working
in
the
way
that
it
it's
over
identifying
people
as
part
of
the
database,
so
education
isn't
just
about
coming
from
government
to
people.
It's
really
about
listening
to
people
and
having
that
be
part
of
the
cycle
of
information,
how
we
do
things
how
we
operate,
whether
at
the
BPD
or
the
city
council.
It's
not
just
this
top-down
approach.
C
And
and
I
will
say
that
that
I
will
argue
that
the
the
game
database
is
invaluable.
I
I
can
off
the
top
of
my
head.
Give
you
several
cases
in
where
this
the
gang
database
assisted
Us
in
solving
some
pretty
serious
crimes
but
I'm
going
to
invite
Lieutenant,
detective
Paul
McLaughlin
to
answer
further
questions
on
the
game
database.
I
A
I
Again,
I
am
the
commander
of
the
homicide
unit.
Currently
up
until
January
of
this
year,
I
was
a
sergeant
detective
assigned
to
The
Brick
for
about
seven
years
and
my
responsibilities
as
the
sergeant
detective
and
the
supervisor
of
the
criminal
intelligence
section
of
the
brick.
One
of
my
main
responsibilities
was
dealing
with
the
gang
database
dealing
dealing
with
all
of
the
kind
of
the
issues
around
the
game
database,
the
rewriting
of
rule
335
and
trying
to
really
proactively
look
at
the
gang
database.
I
Listen
to
the
criticisms
that
have
been
made
by
by
many
people,
including
people
within
this
body,
and
try
to
make
it
a
a
tool
that
both
balances.
Some
of
the
concerns
that
you
mentioned
counselor
as
well
as
continues
to
provide
us
with
a
framework
from
which
we
can
work
as
a
department
to
recognize
the
the
groups
that
are
involved
in
driving
violence
in
the
city
and
to
recognize
the
people
within
those
groups
that
are
driving
the
vials
within
the
city.
Oftentimes
retaliatory
and
targeted
violence
that
that
involves
the
Dynamics
between
different
groups.
I
Circle
I'm
sorry
that
particular
case
originally
when
it
was
first
decided
it
was
decided
it
was.
The
ruling
was
was
in
fate,
was
in
favor
of
deportation.
I
guess
is
how
you
would
say
it,
and
in
the
and
in
that
decision,
which
came
out
I,
think
2018
or
19..
I
I
We
at
The
Brick
had
that
had
that
decision
before
it
was
decided
in
2022,
and
we
looked
at
that
and
we
were
very
critical
and
self-assessed
ourselves
and
not
database
to
try
to
look
for
where
the
points
that
were
made
within
that
descending
opinion
and
now
currently
in
the
in
the
when
it
was
overturned,
how
we
could
assess
our
database
make
it
better
address
some
of
those
issues.
I
One
of
the
key
points
in
that
in
that
decision
was
the
idea
that,
yes,
the
the
you
know,
one
of
the
things
that
we
would
say
is
that
that
was
never
an
intention
for
for
the
people
that
that
form
the
gang
database.
That
was
never
an
intention
of
this
that
those
documents
would
be
used
to
cross-examine
a
person
who's
about
to
be
deported,
that
that
was
no
intention.
That
was
an
unintended
consequence.
I
It
would
have
been
a
human
being,
and
so
we've
tried
to
mix
that
human
analysis
of
what
we
do
in
the
database.
We've
tried
to
strengthen
that
we've
looked.
We
looked
at
the
idea
that
associative
associative
evidence,
if
you
will
of
people
associating
with
each
other
alone,
which
we
could
oftentimes
we'll
talk
about,
FiOS
that
we've
looked
at
that
as
we
reassess
the
database
to
make
sure
that
we
did
not
use
that
as
a
sole
criteria
in
putting
people
into
the
gang
database.
I
I
I
There
is
a
redress
there
was
a
redress
for
people
in
the
gang
database
within
the
policy.
The
brick
am.
I
H
Okay,
see
I
I,
appreciate
it
s,
question
I,
just
think
that
there
is
to
do
here
and
for
the
public
dot
input
and
time
to
really
review
these
surveillance.
These
policies,
I
I,
do
have
a
few
more
questions
just
about
this
list
in
general,
it
says
for
Boston,
Housing
Authority,
it
says
body,
worn
cameras,
but
it
doesn't
say
any
BHA
cameras.
Does
that
mean
that
they're
currently
on
BHA
properties?
There
are
no
cameras
that
are
that
are
being
used.
H
So
we
have
this
table
of
contents
for
this
web,
what
the
surveillance
use
policy
covers
and
under
Boston
Housing
Authority,
for
example,
it
says
body
on
cameras,
but
it
doesn't
say
anything
about
any
other
cameras.
I'm,
not
sure
if
this
panel
has
that
information,
but
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
this
is
an
exhaustive
list.
Are
there?
Is
it
possible
that
there
are
things
missing
that
technologies
that
are
missing
from
different
departments
by
the
city
that
are
not
included
on
this
list?.
E
Yes,
so
I
would
just
mention
ma'am
that
the
Boston
Housing
Authority
does
have
a
video
surveillance
canvas
system
that
they
use
in
all
their
communities
and
the
small
Police
Department
that
they
have
is
going
to
be
utilizing
body
One
camera
technology
in
the
near
future.
But
that
has
not
been
implemented,
but
they
do
have
video
surveillance
technology
that
they
use
as
part
of
their
security
posture
within
the
developments.
H
Thank
you
I
and
I.
Just
my
Affair
of
mind
is
that
this
is.
This
list
is
incomplete
in
terms
of
the
surveillance
technology
that
exists
both
from
things
that
are
missing
from
BHA
bphc
and
there's
a
more
in
the
appendix
there's,
a
list
of
additional
databases
with
no
Intel
in
terms
of
how
they're
being
used
so
I.
Just
think
that
there's
some
more
work
here
that
we
have
to
do
in
order
to
fully
understand
and
get
a
a
full
understand,
the
full
landscape.
H
C
C
The
non-exhaustive
list
at
given
the
time
and
again
again
we
go
back
to
the
resources.
It's
it's
virtually
impossible
to
give
you
all
that
information
it
so
with
that
being
said,
I
think
we
did
a
great
job,
providing
the
capabilities.
The
technological
capabilities
that
we
have,
but
I
will
add
that
when
you
mention
the
word
infringe,
we
do
have
a
robust
policies,
rules
and
regulations
that
only
that
don't
only
guide
and
govern
they
guide
and
govern
our
our
conduct,
but
it
also
applies
to
the
technology.
H
So
I
appreciate
that
again,
there's
more
information
in
the
appendices
that
sparkly
more
questions
that
hopefully
we'll
be
able
to
have
a
hearing
on
to
talk
about
more
about
how
this
information
is
is
shared
between
different
agencies
and
how
it's
shared
regionally
is
is,
is,
is
questions
I
have
for
concern,
but
I
think
I've
taken
up
a
lot
of
the
mic
and
I'm
going
to
pass
it
on
to
my
colleagues,
but
I
want
to
thank
everyone
for
being
here
for
your
attentiveness
to
my
question.
Thank
you.
Thank.
J
Thank
you
chair,
thank
you
to
everyone
here
today
and
some
to
my
colleagues.
You
know
when
I
when
I
go
to
the
community
meeting
safety
is
one
of
the
top
priorities.
So
thank
you
for
all
your
hard
work
and
I
I
appreciate
you
know
you
guys
stepping
up,
and
you
know,
stepping
into
you
know
more
Computing
community
policing
in
our
neighborhood
but
similar
to
Council
luigien.
J
One
of
my
questions
is:
how
can
you
show
that
residents
that
the
cameras
are
being
used
for
safety
instead
of
like
over
policing
and
over
profiling
of
neighborhoods,
and
then
also
how?
How
are
we
creating
space?
J
You
could
continuously
talk
about
education,
how
we
created
space
to
have
those
conversations
between
the
community
to
inform
them
on
the
benefits
and
the
impacts
that
they
hear
back
from
them
on
the
impacts
that
they're
going
through
when
it
comes
to
surveillance,
Technologies.
So.
C
Again,
we
so
we
have
again
a
robust
policies,
rules
and
regulations
right
that
again
govern
exactly
what
we
do,
but
in
addition
to
that,
we
have
oversight
from
supervisors
and
not
only
the
supervisors,
the
officers
their
peers.
You
know
where,
if,
if
there's,
if
anybody
misuses
a
piece
of
technology
or
in
doing
it
outside
the
scope
of
what
it's
intended
for
well
they're,
subject
to
discipline,
they're
going
to
be
subject
to
the
rules
and
regulations
and
discipline
and
again
I
will
go
back.
Community
policing
is
nothing
new
to
us.
C
We've
been
doing
this
since
I
came
on
that's
29
years
ago
and
again
I'm
a
superintendent
in
the
investigative
world
and
I'm
still
involved
in
the
communities.
I
still
go
out
and
I
do
create
and
we
do
create
the
space
to
have
these
conversations
with
the
public
and
that's
why
I'm
amazed
each
time
I
go
out
the
misconceptions
that
the
public
have
because
of
other
folks
taking
the
platform
and
giving
them
false
information.
So
we
spend
a
lot
of
time
correcting
that
false
information,
so
we
will
I.
C
I
I
will
tell
you
that
we're
going
to
continue
and
we're
going
to
just
do
better
to
go
out
and
create
additional
space
and
have
these
forms
where
we
can
continue
to
set
the
record
straight
and
give
the
right
information.
J
Thank
you
me
and
when
you
do
create
those
spaces,
I
would
love
to
know
about
them.
So
I
can
help.
You
know
amplify
my
community
to
bring
you
know
our
Community
Voices
to
those
spaces
into
those
forums
but
yeah
other
than
that
chair.
No
further
questions
could.
E
I
just
had
on
the
back
that
I
would
just
add,
certainly
from
the
OEM
perspective
in
this
very
small
there.
I
think
this
represents
a
clear
intersection
where
greater
relationships
can
help
build
those
Pathways
right
for
that.
Transparency
that
you
talk
about
so
I
think
that
there
are
opportunities
to
continue
the
conversation
where
we
can
rely
on
the
great
relationships
that
the
district
and
at
large
city
councils
have
with
your
constituents
in
partnering,
with
OEM
and
others
to
be
able
to
build
greater
Pathways
and
greater
space
for
these
conversations
to
be
happening.
E
So
I
I
know
that
there
are
historical
barriers
with
different
groups,
but
there
are
also
opportunities
for
great
Partnerships
between
you
and
others
that
work
in
this
space
to
build,
be
able
to
grow
greater
transparency,
I
appreciate.
J
A
A
K
L
Thank
you,
chair
first
off,
thank
you
to
the
members
of
the
Boston
Police
Department,
for
not
only
being
here
today,
but
for
the
incredible
amount
of
work
and
labor.
This
is
no
small
feat.
It's
no
small
document.
There
are
hundreds
of
pages,
and
you
know
I
I
would
like
to
speak
for
myself,
but
I've
only
been
able
to
get
through
half
since
you've
sent
it
because
of
the
amount
of
information
that
is
on
there.
L
So
capacity
I
want
to
talk
a
little
bit
about
capacity
because
capacity
superintendent
is
an
issue
that
you've
brought
up
during
your
testimony.
A
couple
of
times.
Can
you
share
with
me
how
many
people
were
working
on
providing
this
information
to
the
city
council
so.
C
We
had
two
lawyers
that
again
worked
hundreds
of
houses,
but
in
addition
to
that,
they
worked
collectively
with
various
members
of
the
bureaus,
so
the
entire
department,
every
Bureau,
gave
input
and
was
working
closely
with
these
with
the
two
attorneys.
In
addition
to
the
the
work
that
we're
we
have
to
undertake,
yeah.
L
In
addition
to
your
regular
job,
you
also
had
to
give
us
all
this,
and
so
now,
councilor
luigien
brought
up
a
little
bit
about
the
concern
about
this,
not
being
an
exhaustive
list,
and
so
you
have
shared
very
clearly
with
us
that,
with
the
time
that
you
were
given
and
the
amount
of
information
that
is
requested
from
this
ordinance,
it
is
difficult
to
make
an
exhaustive
list.
Now
from
what
I've
reviewed
there
are
things
that
the
ordinance
requires
that
are
missing
from
the
report.
L
L
Just
for
the
people
who
are
watching
the
hearing
is
that
this
surveillance
or
oversight
ordinance
applies
to
seven
other
City
departments,
and
so
we're
only
talking
to
the
Boston
Police
Department
here,
but
it
does
apply
to
seven
other
departments
and
so
for
the
Boston
Police
Department
to
get
us
the
rest
of
the
information.
That's
missing
from
the
report.
How
much
time
do
you
think
you
would
need.
C
I
would
say
in
terms
of
time:
I
cannot
give
you
that
exact
number,
but
first
of
all,
I
want
to
thank
the
the
attorneys
and
everyone
on
this
panel
and
the
folks
within
the
department
that
help
compile
that
I
believe
it
was
800
pages
that
we
were
able
to
submit
and
again
I
believe
that
they
did
an
excellent
job
in
giving
our
capabilities,
it
was
in
categories
of
devices,
but
the
capabilities
that
we
we
possess
in
terms
of,
if
you
have
specific
questions
for
specific
items,
that
you're
saying
are
missing
I.
C
If
you
will
provide
us
with
those
questions,
we
will
get
that
back
in
writing.
I
as
to
the
actual
time
frame.
I
cannot
give
you
that,
but
I
can
assure
you
that
it'll
be
we're
respond.
L
Already,
okay,
thank
you
and
I
will
submit
that
request
through
the
chair,
but
take
the
time
take
the
time
that
you
need
right:
I,
don't
I'm
not!
This
is
in
no
way
trying
to
rush
or
get
you
to
do
more
than
you're
already
doing,
I
want
to
share
a
little
bit
about
the
Council
on
our
end
in
terms
of
capacity,
because
it's
not
just
the
Boston
Police
Department.
L
We
started
our
year
with
budget
with
our
budget
season,
and
then
we
went
into
making
decisions
about
where
the
arpa
funding
was
going
to
go
and
then
immediately
went
into
every
districting
process.
There
were
13
City
councilors.
If
you
ask
my
colleagues,
I
am
sure
if
they
have
reviewed
every
page
of
the
800
pages
that
were
submitted
to
us,
it
would
be
a
very
small
number.
L
That
would
say
yes
to
you
now,
given
your
capacity
and
given
our
capacity
right,
I'm
trying
I'm
trying
to
instill
some
sort
of
shared
responsibility
here
we
have
not
done
our
job
to
look
at
these,
like
the
surveillance
oversight
policies
as
a
collective
and
and
we're
only
going
to
do
this
once
right.
It's
I
know
it's
a
heavy
load.
L
Some
of
my
colleagues
have
brought
up
Community
engagement,
some
of
my
colleagues,
which
you
have
had
Community
conversations.
I,
don't
think
that
this
Council
has
created
enough
time.
Especially
you
know.
This
is
the
only
the
first
hearing,
it's
November
right
before
the
holidays
and
we're
having
one
and
we're
having
a
hearing
at
10
A.M
on
a
Tuesday
right.
L
So
we're
talking
about
Community
engagement,
I,
don't
think
that
we've
done
our
job
in
terms
of
making
sure
that
not
only
the
council
but
the
people
of
the
city
of
Boston
have
reviewed
these
policies
and
had
time
to
give
us
the
people
who
represent
them
feedback
about
what
they
would
like
to
see.
So
I
just
wanted
to
be
clear
about
where
I
think
we
are
I.
Just
don't
think
that
I
just
don't
think
that
we've
we've,
that
we
that
we're
ready,
I
think
we
have.
L
We
need
much
more
time
to
review
these
Chief.
You
offered
that
you
believe
that
and
I'm
Excuse
me,
superintendent
I
think
you
said
that
that
you
believe
that
sharing
too
much
information
could
or
has
jeopardized
Public
Safety.
Do
you
feel
like
the
ordinance
currently
requires
you
to
share
too
much
information.
K
K
J
C
Be
equipment
that
we
may
have
I
just
I
do
again.
I
do
believe
that
for
us
to
function
and
and
to
be
able
to
provide
service
to
the
community
and
the
public
safety
enhance
Public
Safety,
you
know
there's
certain
things
that
we
can't
give
the
blueprint
to
everything.
I
do
agree.
C
We
need
to
have
those
conversations
and
I
do
believe
that
people
have
the
right
to
know
what
we're
in
Broad
and,
what's
what
we're
capable
of
but
again
I
I
will
I
will
reiterate
conversations
will
clarify
misconceptions,
so
I
think
it
has
to
be
conversations
amongst
all
the
partners
and
with
the
community
I.
L
Would
like
to
make
a
formal
request
through
the
chair
that
the
Boston
police
department,
chair
with
the
city
council,
what
places
in
the
ordinance
like
if
you,
if
you
were
to
say
hey
this,
is
a
bit
much
I,
think
that
this
is
I.
I
would
like
to
know
right.
L
I
I
would
like
to
know
not
vaguely,
but
I
would
like
to
know
explicitly
and
I
would
like
that
information
from
you,
because
I'm,
not
a
police
officer
and
so
I,
don't
know
what
in
the
ordinance
could
possibly
be
jeopardized
in
public
safety,
and
so
I
would
like
for
you
to
tell
me
so
that
I
am
aware
of
the
instances
of
the
ordinance
where
we
might
be
jeopardizing
Public
Safety
or
asking
you
to
share
too
much
information.
L
The
chief
chief.
Now
you
made
a
comment
about
the
need
to
maintain
our
security,
posture
and
I.
Think
it's
a
similar
question
for
you.
There
are
chair
Flaherty
mentioned
that
there
are
exceptions
in
the
ordinance,
and
so
do
you
think
that
the
exceptions
that
are
currently
in
the
ordinance
are
not
meeting
the
need
for
us
to
maintain
our
security
posture.
E
Thank
you
for
the
question.
I
think
it
provides
some
flexibility,
but
when
we
think
about
when
this
is
speaking
purely
to
an
oem
lens,
when
you
think
about
our
mandate
and
our
responsibility
to
not
only
the
city
of
Boston
but
the
region
that
we
support,
there
are
some
challenges
that
we
have
to
confront,
because
there
are
eight
other
jurisdictions
that
we
support
through
that
partnership.
So
I
think
that's
where
I
think
that
there
could
be
an
opportunity
to
have
a
greater
conversation.
This
superintendent
mentioned
it
about
interpretation.
I.
E
Think
that
you
know
I
can
recall
some
of
the
early
debate
on
the
on
the
a
passage
of
the
ordinance
that
that
you
know
that
there's
some
area
and
there's
some
flexibility
in
there,
but
I
can
tell
you
that
I
spend
equally
about
equally
as
much
time
in
conversations
with
our
partners
from
other
jurisdictions
than
a
party
to
the
region
around
the
concerns
with
decisions
made
by
the
council
and
or
the
city
and
the
impacts
on
the
region.
E
That's
why
I
mentioned
it's
a
regional
Grant
and
a
regional
posture,
so
I
think
that
there's
an
opportunity
here,
ma'am
and
I-
appreciate
your
candidness
and
talking
about
you
know
being
ready
in
the
appropriate
time.
I
think
there's
an
opportunity
for
us
to
look
at
that
through
Clara
lens
and
see.
How
do
we
strike
that
balance
of
transparency
and
accountability,
but
also
recognizing
our
mandate
and
responsibility
to
others.
L
And
so
it
seems
like
there
might
be
some
useful
exceptions
in
terms
of
the
regional
on
the
regional
lens
of
the
with
the
other
folks.
The
other
cities
that
we
work
with
yes,
ma'am,
okay
and
so
I
would
also
make
the
same
request
that
if
you
I
would
love
to
see
what
exceptions
other
exceptions
you
think
are
necessary
in
the
ordinance.
That
would
be
helpful
to
you.
I'm
sorry,
councilor,
Florida
I
have
one
last
question.
There
was
a
conversation
here
about
the
ring
doorbell,
it's
come
up
three
times
already.
L
Do
you
feel
like
this
ordinance-
and
you
told
this
very
specific
story
about
being
able
to
get
someone
off
the
streets
in
six
hours
because
of
the
footage,
do
you
feel
like
this
ordinance
stopped
you
from
getting
a
warrant
and
retrieving
that
footage
on
that?
Video
did
this
because
we
were
talking
about
this
ordinance,
and
so
you
told
the
story
in
relation
to
this,
and
so
the
this
ordinance
somehow
stopped
you
from
getting
the
footage.
C
No,
we
we
got
the
footage
and
again
that
was
through
compliance
from
the
owner,
but
I
think,
overall,
the
the
the
the
ordinance
again
interpreting
this
ordinance
and
and
speaking
with
other
folks
who
have
gone
through
awareness,
it's
the
interpretation,
the
understanding
of
what
exactly
are
we?
C
What
exactly
are
we
capable
of
doing
without
violating
the
ordinance?
And
that's
it's
again?
This
is
a
it's
an
evolving
process,
we're
going
to
continue
to
learn
and
then
again
we'll
continue
to
educate,
but
again
we're
still
trying
to
comprehend
and
learn
exactly
what
the
what
what
is
expected
of
the
audience.
L
Okay,
okay,
and
so
you
didn't
have
to
get
a
warrant
for
this,
because
the
person
I
mean
I
I
would
be
hard-pressed
to
find
someone
who
you
would
call
and
say:
hey.
There
was
a
crime
on
your
street,
and
you
have
some
ring
drove
I
would
say
no
right,
like
I
would
be
hard-pressed
to
feed
like
that.
You
would,
unless
is,
is.
Was
that
would
be
your
take?
L
You
would
be
hard-pressed
for
what
now
I
would
think
that
and
I
would
be
hard-pressed
that
we
would
be
hard-pressed
to
find
someone
who,
if
you
were
to
call
and
say
there,
was
a
shooting
outside
of
your
home.
Somebody
was
murdered
and
we
think
that
there
might
that
there
might
be
surveillance
on
your
ring
camera.
Do
you
find
that
people
usually
say
yes
to
you
or
that
you
have
to
get
a
warrant
most
of
the
time?
No.
C
We
find
people
that
say:
yes,
we
do,
but
then
oftentimes
again
as
I
mentioned
earlier,
because
of
fear
of
reprisal
and
fear
of
what
might
be
Feud
as
working
with
police
yep.
Then.
L
There
is
a
question
about
the
clarity
and
I've
heard
this
twice
now
from
two
of
you
that
interpreting
the
ordinance
and
so
Clarity
in
the
ordinance
being
clear
about
what
we're
asking
for
where
there
is
flexibility,
would
also
be
helpful
to
the
Boston
Police
Department.
Yes,
okay
got
it.
Thank
you.
No
for
the
questions
too.
Thank
you.
We've.
K
M
Thank
you,
I
apologize
for
my
late
arrival
and
I
think
the
chair
for
allowing
me
to
just
ask
a
few
questions,
and
thank
you
all
for
for
being
here
and
I'm,
just
catching
up
and
I
do
appreciate.
Councilada's
acknowledgment
that
there's
shared
accountability
across
both
and
I
have
yet
to
dive
into
the
800
page
document.
M
But
I
do
have
some
questions
in
regards
to
how
the
department
prioritized,
which
elements
you
are
going
to
dive
into
in
terms
of
providing
content
to
us
like
how
did
you
guys
determine
what
information
you
were
going
to
share
with
us
or
not
share
with
us.
C
As
I
mentioned
earlier,
at
best,
we
could
in
comprehending
what
was
being
asked
of
us,
and
we
try
to
put
a
what
we
felt
was
a
a
list
that
accurately
reported
what
capabilities
we.
We
have
right,
the
technology,
technological
capabilities,
I,
don't
think
we
I
I,
would
say
probably
somewhere.
It
was
probably
prioritized
with
some
of
the
more
topics
that
are
discussed
on
a
daily
basis
to
gain
database
or
the
cell
size
simulator.
C
So
probably
that
was
given
a
priority,
but
again
I
think
what
we
tried
to
do
was
comprehend
what
was
being
asked
and
then
give
you
a
report
accurately
as
accurate
as
possible
of
what
we're
capable
of
again.
It's
not
it's
non-exhaustive,
as
you
can
see
and
again
I
will
argue,
that's
virtually
impossible
to
do
in
the
time
that
we
we
were
allotted
and
then
the
resources
that
we
have
so.
M
And
what
would
you
say
would
make
your
efforts
easier?
M
C
I
would
say
clearly
more
time
and
more
funds,
but
again,
if
we,
if
we
look
at
what
we've
discussed,
we've
discussed
earlier,
that
again,
we
appreciate
transparency
and
accountability
and
we
want
folks
to
know
exactly
what
the
police,
how
is
the
police
department's
operating,
but
we
have
mechanisms
in
place
that
kind
of
guide
in
in
guide
us
in
in
the
way
we
we
conduct
ourselves,
but
in
addition
to
that,
there's
other
you
know:
there's
there's
oversight
from
Superior
offices,
there's
oversight
from
their
own
pH,
but
some
of
the
information
that
we've
given
you
in
terms
of,
if
we're
speaking
on
oversight,
there's
also
judicial
review.
C
Most
of
this
is
the
commissioner
mentioned
earlier.
Most
of
this
techno
technology
that
we
use
is
pursuant
to
a
search
warrant
and
again
so
this
judicial
review
there
and
if
there's
misuse
well,
then
there's
discipline
that
folks
are
going
to
be
subject
to
discipline
but
I
guess
to
answer
your
question.
C
We
would
need
a
lot
of
time
and
and
and
some
some
funding,
but
again
we've
got
to
be
as
well
as
councilor
Lara
asked
is
understanding
what's
being
asked,
and
you
know
and
again,
if
you
have
some
some
specific
questions
to
certain
equipment
that
we
may
have
that
we
may
have
that's
not
listed
there.
If,
if
we
would
sub,
we
ask
the
question
and
we'll
get
to
that
in
writing.
M
And
can
you
talk
to
me
a
little
bit
about
what
you
know
about
other
cities
across
the
country
that
have
entered
in
these
sort
of
ordinances?
What
have
you
learned
of
anything
to
help
our
department
get
up
to
speed.
C
Well,
I
can
say
that
there
are
certain
departments
that
have
initially
gone
down
this
road
with
a
surveillance
ordinance
and
it
was
very
stringent
and
those
departments
are
now
realizing
that
they
have
to
kind
of
come
back
a
little
bit
because
of
because
of
the
in
terms
of
in
terms
of
the
crime
that's
happening
in
their
inability
to
operate,
but
the
technology
that
they
have
or
that
they
once
had.
C
So
there
were
some
real
issues
that
I've
seen
across
across
the
the
country
and
and
I
do
believe
that
people
are
are
trying
to
correct
that
and
trying
to
find
a
balance
again.
I
I,
don't
believe
anyone
is
against
transparency
and
accountability,
but
if
it's
too
stringent
in
in
it
and
and
it
hampers
the
police
department
from
doing
their
from
doing
the
work
and
then
that
that
means
the
community
supports
itself.
That
means
the
folks
that
are
suffering
the
pain
and
traumas
in
the
community.
In
that
we
can't
have.
C
You
know:
we've
seen
a
slight
uptick
in
in
crime
in
certain
parts
of
our
neighborhoods
and
we're
going
to
address
that
we'll
continue
to
address
that.
But
we
cannot
let
that
spiral
out
of
control.
We
cannot
let
the
the
the
ability
not
to
use
some
of
our
technology
to
to
combat
against
those
that
the
crimes
in
other
public
emergencies.
We
just
can't
let
that
happen
here.
M
Walk
me
through
that
in
what
sense,
in
the
sense
of
just
I,
don't
know,
I
believe
that,
where
there
is
a
will,
that
is
a
way
right
and
I.
Always
I
I
tend
to
have
a
can-do
attitude
right.
So
if
we
propose
something,
it
is
because
we
believe
that
the
impact
of
that
will
lead
us
into
a
more
transparent
and
accountable
way
of
functioning.
M
So
I
I
struggle
with
a
notion
that
making
the
correlation
between
the
uptick
and
violence
and
your
inability
I
guess
to
be
able
to
have
access
to
the
toys
that
you
need
to
be
able
to
execute.
So
can
you
just
walk
me
through
what
your
community
engagement
process
looks
like
in
regards
to
dealing
with
the
quote-unquote
uptick
in
violence.
C
So
when
I,
when
I
was
saying
we're
experiencing
a
slight
uptick
in
violence
here
in
certain
areas
and
again,
we've
done
a
tremendous
job
and
again
these
ongoing
investigations.
But
we've
done
a
tremendous
job
and
Outreach
into
the
community.
Listening
to
the
community,
because
they're
going
to
tell
you
right,
if
you
get
to
the
the
right
space
they're
going
to
tell
you
exactly
what's
happening
or
some
people
will
share
that
information,
so
we're
going
to
constantly
do
that.
C
The
Boston
Police
Department
throughout
the
bureaus,
no
matter
what
Bureau
it
is,
we're
going
to
be
out
there
and
we're
going
to
work
with
the
community
and
try
to
find
out
exactly
what's
happening.
What
I
was
referring
to
optic
and
violence?
When
you
asked
me
a
question
about
across
the
country?
Well,
I'm
referring
to
other
parts
of
the
country
where
there,
the
violence
has
gone
through
the
roof
and
accountability
for
the
individuals
that
work
responsible
for
this
for
the
crimes
or
for
these.
C
For
these
actions,
wasn't
there
and
again
some
folks
sell
site
simulators
were
taken
away
and
and
and
if
I
go
if
I,
if
I'm
talking
candidly
about
the
South
Side
simulator,
yes,
it's
helped
us
solve
crimes
and
bring
individuals
to
justice,
but
what
that
self-site
simulator
has
done.
It's
helped
save
lives,
many
lives
and
so
I
struggle
with
that.
Each
time
I
get
a
call
as
to
can
we
deploy
the
machine.
I
have
to
make
a
decision
if
and
when
we
can,
if
they,
if
it
meets
the
criteria
to
deploy
the
machine.
C
C
We
have
offices
that
are
assigned
to
beats
in
every
District
they're
there,
they're
speaking
with
the
community
investigative
bureaus,
are
going
out
and
speaking
to
to
the
community
and
in
these
areas,
where
we're
seeing
this
uptick
we're
working
with
our
city
partners,
we're
working
with
all
our
partners
to
try
to
get
to
the
bottom
of
who's,
causing
who's
driving
the
violence
and
and
then
put
some
some
some
strategies
in
place
to
prevent
any
more
violence
and
to
help
people
heal
from
the
the
violence.
C
That's
happening
in
the
community
and
I
and
I
I'm
happy
to
say
that
you
know
we've
recently,
without
not
speaking
too
much
in
specific
of
the
investigations.
We've
recently
arrested
several
individuals
who
were
driving
the
violence
who
were
significant
in
driving
the
violence
in
the
neighborhood
and
again
that
was
done
collectively,
working
with
our
city
partners
and
with
the
community.
M
Thank
you
for
that
and
the
last
question,
and
can
you
just
State
for
the
record
why
you
think
we
ended
up
in
this
place
to
begin
with,
in
terms
of
following
this
ordinance.
C
Again,
I
I
would
opinions
of
folks
for
a
lack
of
transparency,
accountability
and
feeling
that
misconceptions
of
people,
whether
that
is
still
watching
TV
and
then
trying
to
correlate
that
what
actually,
what
the
Boston
Police
Department
really
has
and
is
capable
of
doing
so
again.
I
think
it's
just
lack
of
understanding
and
and
it'll
go
back
to
transparency
and
and
accountability.
Some
folks
do
not
understand
and
I
have
not
spoken
to
the
correct
people.
M
So
you
know
I
I.
Lastly,
I
do
have
a
severe
problem
with
the
gang
database
and
and
I
do
believe
that
there
is
racially
there's
racial
profiling.
M
M
The
data
speaks
for
itself
and
I
think
that
we
have
an
opportunity
here
in
this
moment
to
figure
out
how
we
reconcile
with
that
lack
of
trust.
C
I
can
appreciate
that,
but
I
will
argue
that
the
I
will
argue
that
the
the
gang
database
has
been
invaluable
to
investigations
and
again
I'm,
not
sure
if
you
were
able
to
hear
what
Lieutenant
detective
Paul
McLaughlin
was
able
to
offer
relative
to
the
steps
that
they've
taken
prior
to
an
ordinance
to
try
to
probably
correct
any
issues
that
may
have
been
there
in
the
past.
A
Thank
you,
councilmania
thank
you,
Chief
and
Lieutenant
detective
and
superintendent
superintendent
and
the
team
here
of
Kaplan
Sergeant
detectives,
Lieutenant
detective
sergeants.
Just
ask
that
you
stay
with
us
a
little
bit
longer.
We
have
the
The
Advocate
panel
I,
see
that
Cade
Rockford's
here
Fatima
Ahmad,
so
cage
from
the
director
of
the
ACLU
technology
and
Liberty
program
for
teamer
a
man
is
Ahmad,
is
from
the
ACLU
executive
director,
Muslim,
Justice,
League,
and
also
Alex
Matthews
ACLU,
director
of
digital
Ford.
So
just
ask
that
you
stick
around,
or
at
least
a
portion
of
the
team.
A
Stick
around
I
know
that
we've
got
a
lot
of
stuff
happening
in
our
city
and
your
time
is
extremely
valuable,
but
if
some
of
the
members
could
stay
available
just
in
case
there's
any
follow-up,
give
the
courtesy
to
The
Advocates
they've
been
waiting
patiently
to
address
the
body
as
another
piano.
We
also
have
some
public
testimony
and
some
Zoom
testimony
as
well.
So
thank
you
all
for
your
time
and
attention
and
I
look
forward
to
continue
working
together.
Thank
you.
A
Yeah,
not
sure
there'll
be
a
panel
taking
taking
your
seats
here
and
then,
if
you'd
like
to
take
seats
in
the
the
gallery.
A
A
Good
morning
still
morning
appreciate
your
patience
and
Fatima
and
Alex
State,
you
name
an
affiliation
for
the
record,
and
you
have
the
floor
for
opening
statements
and
then
maybe
even
opine
on
some
of
the
things
that
you've
been
listening
to
this
morning.
Yes,.
N
So
if
it's
all
right
with
you
chair,
I'm,
happy
to
start
great,
thank
you
very
much
to
the
counselors
who
are
still
with
us.
I
know
that
people
are
very
busy
and
there's
a
lot
going
on.
I
also
just
want
to
say
thank
you
to
David
Fredette
and
Teresa
Anderson
from
BPD,
who
have
put
a
lot
of
work
into
this
and
another
man
whose
name
I'm,
forgetting
at
the
moment.
Thank
you
as
well.
I
know
that
this
has
been
a
a
very
time
consuming
process
for
the
Boston
police
department.
N
So
I
think
you
know
to
use
my
time
most
effectively
today,
I'm
going
to
start
by
backing
up
a
little
bit
and
talking
about
why
we
at
the
ACLU,
our
Coalition
partners,
and
many
of
you
who
are
here
today
on
the
council
and
your
colleagues
last
session,
decided
that
this
was
an
important
ordinance
for
the
city
of
Boston
to
implement.
N
So
since
about
the
period
after
9
11,
we
have
seen
a
number
of
Transformations
take
place
in
the
United
States.
One
of
them
is
the
digital
transformation
right.
The
use
of
cell
phones
exploded
in
the
early
21st
century,
so
consumer
technologies
that
create
a
lot
of
data,
allowing
the
government
to
essentially
piggyback
on
corporate
data,
collection
and
surveillance.
You
know
exposing
millions
of
people
to
new
forms
of
surveillance
that
were
never
before
possible.
This
was
also
accelerated
by
the
declining
cost
of
computer
storage,
so
believe
it
or
not
in
the
1980s.
N
It
cost
about
seventy
five
thousand
dollars
to
store
one
gigabyte
and
that
computer
space
took
up
like
half
of
this
room.
So
obviously
things
have
changed
quite
a
bit
in
the
past
40
years
and
especially
in
the
past
20
years,
with
respect
to
what's
possible
in
terms
of
Technology.
Now
it's
actually
in
some
ways
cheaper
to
retain
data
than
it
is
to
delete
it,
because
you
have
to
hire
someone
to
maintain
a
database
and
make
sure
that
the
information
is
actually
actually
erased.
N
Whereas
you
know
Amazon
provides
server
storage,
that
is,
that
is
pretty
dirt,
cheap
and
I.
Believe
the
city
of
Boston
uses
those
kinds
of
third-party
data
storage
Services.
The
other
thing
that
happened
in
the
post-911
period
was
9,
11,
obviously,
and
the
creation
of
the
Department
of
Homeland
Security.
N
Every
person
in
this
room
is
in
databases
like
the
one
that
the
BPD
accesses
through
through
their
agreement
with
Thompson
Reuters
the
clear
database.
That's
not
a
database
of
people
who
have
been
accused
of
serious
crimes.
It's
a
database
of
All
American
adults,
so
I
just
wanted
to
kind
of
set
the
stage
there,
because,
even
though
all
those
Transformations
were
happening
and
another
one
was
that
you
know
the
police
were
buying
things
like
license
plate
readers
drones.
N
You
know
surveillance
camera
networks,
this
Council
or
the
previous
Council
already
dealt
with
the
issue
of
facial
recognition
technology,
but
that's
another
technology
that
you
know
we're
seeing
governments
use
all
over
the
country
and
all
over
the
world.
While
all
of
this
was
happening,
there
was
not
a
parallel
effort,
mostly
in
legislatures
either
at
the
state
level
or
at
the
federal
level
to
address
what
all
of
this
means
for
people's
basic
civil
rights
and
civil
liberties.
And
so
you
know
we
in
the
Civil,
Rights
and
civil
liberties.
N
Right,
mostly,
when
you
know
one
of
the
technology
technological
systems,
a
reporter
discovers
is
being
used
disproportionately
to
Target
black
and
brown
people,
or
in
another
case
here
in
Boston,
when
the
Boston
transportation
department,
oops
accidentally,
left
an
entire
License
Plate
Reader
data
set
on
the
public
internet
for
anyone
to
download
exposing
hundreds
or
thousands
of
people
to
a
very
serious
privacy
violation,
or
when
you
know
a
young
person
was
deported
because
he
was
wrongfully
identified
as
a
gang
member.
By
the
Boston
Police
Department,
that
information
was
shared
with
ice
Etc.
N
So
too
often
we
have
addressed
these
issues,
not
in
a
systemic
Way
by
you
know,
democratizing
the
process
around
how
decisions
about
surveillance
are
made,
but
on
a
case-by-case
kind
of
whack-a-mole
basis
when
there's
a
crisis
right
and
many
of
us,
including
some
of
the
people
in
this
room,
agreed
that
this
was
not
the
best
way
of
addressing
surveillance
policy
making
and
procurement
decisions
at
the
municipal
level
here
in
Boston.
So
we
came
up
with
this.
N
I'll
just
say
a
couple
of
other
things
about
the
ordinance
itself,
so
the
purpose
of
the
ordinance
is
to
take
decision
making
again
out
of
the
behind
the
closed
doors,
frankly
procurement
process
and
into
the
Public
Square
right
here
at
the
Boston
city
council,
where
members
of
the
public
experts
folks
in
communities
that
are
over
police
and
over
surveilled,
can
learn
about
what
is
happening
at
the
Boston
Police
Department.
What
kinds
of
Technologies
are
in
place?
N
What
policies
and
procedures
are
in
place
to
ensure
that
people's
rights
are
not
violated
and
then
ask
the
city
council
to
enact
oversight
and
accountability,
and,
and
that
can
happen
in
two
different
ways.
One
is
by
the
council
saying
you
know
what
we've
heard
from
the
BPD
we've
heard
from
the
community.
We've
maybe
consulted
with
academic
experts
who
study
the
issue.
N
We
don't
actually
think
Boston
needs
drones,
for
example,
so
we're
going
to
say
no
actually
we're
going
to
vote
no
to
say
that
you
know
the
Boston
Police
Department
should
not
have
drones,
so
that's
one
option
or
the
council
can
say.
Yes,
we
agree.
All
of
these
Technologies
are
appropriate.
The
BPD
should
continue
to
use
them.
In
that
case,
the
council
has
another
role
to
play,
which
is
to
say,
are
the
policies
governing
these
technologies
that
the
BPD
has
proposed
appropriate?
N
Are
there
any
areas
where
we
need
to
make
some
changes
to
the
policies
and
procedures
that
are
governing
the
use
of
these
Technologies,
the
data
that
they
produce?
Maybe
you
know
who
can
access
the
information
under
what
circumstances
those
types
of
things
so
having
having
said
all
that
it?
Obviously
this
is
a
lot
of
work.
It's
a
lot
of
work
not
only
for
the
BPD,
it's
a
lot
of
work
for
the
council.
N
It's
a
lot
of
work
for
members
of
the
public
who
want
to
be
engaged
in
the
process
and
I
think
if,
if
I
heard
anything
from
the
administration
panel
this
morning,
that
was
really
clear.
It
was
that
we
haven't
had
enough
time
to
go
through
all
of
these.
You
know
hundreds
of
pages
of
documents
that
the
council
hasn't
had
enough
time.
You
know
that
the
administration
still
needs
some
more
time
to
produce
additional
answers
to
some
of
the
questions
that
our
groups
have
posed
to
them.
N
In
light
of
their
initial
submission,
so
that's
you
know
we
agree
with
by
the
way
that
that
we
would
all
benefit
from
having
some
more
time
to
discuss
these
issues
before
the
council
votes
on
them.
I'll
just
say
a
few
more
things,
which
is
then
another
thing
that
struck
me
about.
N
The
administration's
presentation
a
few
minutes
ago
is
that
we
continued
to
hear
what
we've
often
heard
from
law
enforcement
about
surveillance,
which
is
that
surveillance
is
safety,
surveillance,
advances,
Community
safety
and
that
we
need
it
in
order
for
the
police
to
be
able
to
keep
people
safe,
I
think
what
you're
going
to
hear
today
from
our
panel
is
a
different
perspective
on
surveillance.
We
don't
necessarily
believe
that
surveillance
is
safety.
N
In
some
cases,
actually,
surveillance
can
directly
harm
people
and
I,
don't
just
meet
in
a
kind
of
esoteric
sense
where
people
may
have
their
speech
rights
chilled
or
they
may
not
feel
comfortable
associating
with
certain
people,
because
the
government's
watching
them,
although
those
are
also
very
serious,
harms
that
derive
from
surveillance,
I'm
also
talking
about
actual
physical
harm.
We
know,
for
example,
that
not
all
police
officers
are
doing
the
right
thing.
N
I
don't
have
to
remind
people
in
the
this
room
of
the
fact
that
the
outgoing
president
of
the
Boston
Police
patrolman's
Association,
was
a
detective
for
many
years
at
the
Boston
Police
Department
and
has
just
been
convicted
of
raping
children.
So
we
are
also
talking
about
ensuring
that
the
people
within
BPD
who
have
access
to
very
sensitive
information
about
police
investigations
about
ordinary
people
who
are
not
suspected
of
crimes
are
not
misusing
or
abusing
their
access
to
that
information.
N
You
know
I,
guess
I'll
just
wrap
up
and
and
pass
it
on
to
Fatima
by
saying
that
kind
of
in
the
same
vein
as
what
I
just
said,
there
is
not
actually
a
whole
lot
of
evidence
that
things
like
surveillance,
cameras
or
information,
sharing
that
the
fusion
Center,
the
Boston
Regional
Intelligence
Center,
is
conducting
advances.
Community
safety
we've
heard
that
fusion
centers,
like
brick,
are
really
important
to
prevent
terrorism.
For
example,
there's
only
ever
been
one
real
attempt
to
study
whether
or
not
fusion
centers
have
meaningfully
advanced
the
United
States
government's
fight
against
terrorism.
N
In
Boston,
our
office,
working
with
the
national
lawyers
Guild
a
few
years
ago,
published
a
report
based
on
documents
that
we
obtained
from
the
Boston
Regional
Intelligence
Center,
about
brics
surveillance
of
anti-war
protesters,
and
you
know
other
kind
of
left-wing
peace
groups
in
the
city
of
Boston.
This
stuff
had
nothing
to
do
with
terrorism,
but
was
being
labeled,
as
you
know,
domestic
extremism.
So
again,
another
example
of
why
it's
really
important
that
the
council
be
engaged
in
direct
oversight
and
accountability
processes
with
respect
to
what
goes
on
in
the
brick.
N
The
last
thing,
I'll
say
is
that,
in
addition
to
giving
the
council
control
over
surveillance
technology,
Acquisitions
and
policies,
the
other
thing
that
this
ordinance
does
is
require
the
administration,
the
police
department
and
the
other
agencies
that
are
subject
to
this.
More
strict
portion
of
the
ordinance
to
report
back
to
the
council
and
the
public
annually
about
how
these
Technologies
are
used
and
I.
Think
that
that's
going
to
be
really
Illuminating
for
all
of
us,
because
again,
I
think.
N
I'm
really
looking
forward
to
when
the
first
reporting
deadline
comes
the
public
and
the
council
having
a
chance
to
actually
see
some
of
those
statements
backed
up
with
data,
because
up
until
now,
what
we
typically
hear
is
anecdotal
information
about
the
value
of
these
Technologies
and
I.
Think
it's
going
to
be
really
really
important
and
interesting
to
see
what
the
actual
data
looks
like.
How
many
murder
investigations,
for
example,
hinged.
N
You
know
the
solving
of
them
hinged
on
surveillance,
data
that
comes
from
license
plate
readers
or
stingrays
or
surveillance
cameras,
and
how
many
you
know
very
serious
kidnapping
cases
or
other
very
serious
criminal
investigations
were
solved
through
the
use
of
these
Technologies
so
anyway,
I'm
really
looking
forward
to
the
reporting
and
I
just
again
want
to
thank
everyone
on
the
council.
Thank
you,
chair
Flaherty,
Vice,
chair
Lara,
thanks
to
the
folks
from
the
administration
who
are
here
who
have
poured
a
lot
of
effort
into
this
process.
N
You
know
democracy
is
hard
work
and
if
we,
if
we,
you
know,
lived
in
an
authoritarian
Society,
where
the
security
state
made
all
the
decisions
behind
the
closed
behind
closed
doors,
and
we
didn't
care
about
things
like
transparency
and
accountability,
it
would
be
a
lot
less
work
for
everyone,
but
I
think
we're
all
glad
that
we
do
not
live
in
that
type
of
society
and
and
so
processes
like
this
are
really
important.
Thanks,
chair.
O
I'm
fat
I
am
executive
director
of
Muslim
Justice
League,
very
excited
to
be
here
to
start
off
this
process
for
this
new
ordinance
that
was
unanimously
passed
as
Kade
reminded
us
and
I'll
reiterate
like
we
agree,
it
sounds
like
the
administration
does
need
more
time.
There's
information
actually
required
from
the
ordinance
that
has
not
been
shared
yet
as
well.
As
you
know,
additional
questions
coming
and
I
think
we
can
all
agree.
You
know.
O
As
you
know,
Kate
Went
Over
the
process
I'll
also
just
share.
You
know
this
first
version
is
the
biggest
undertaking
for
you
all
right
like
after
this,
you
just
get
annual
reports.
Updating
me
on
how
the
technology
has
been
used.
But
of
course,
this
first
time
this,
like
thousand
page
package,
is
quite
significant
to
go
through,
but
it
is
really
important
for
the
public
to
actually
have
input,
because
you
know
a
big
reminder
is:
why
did
we
have
to
implement
this
ordinance
and
actually
current
mayor
Wu?
O
Is
one
of
the
people
who
who
championed
this
as
a
city
councilor,
because
there
were
multiple
times
when
BPD
was
clearly
not
transparent
about
surveillance
Technologies
and
these
things
actually
came
out.
You
know
through
journalist
investigations.
The
first
was
the
first.
That
I
at
least
can
remember
of
recent
times
was
social
media
surveillance.
O
They
were
using
technology
called
geophedia
and
actually
surveilling
Muslims,
like
myself,
all
for
using
common
Arabic
terms
like
terms
that
we
use
every
day,
Oma
means
community
and
even
a
more
common
thing
that
I
think,
probably
or
hopefully,
all
of
you
have
used
on
social
media,
which
is
hashtag
black
lives
matter
and
actually
counselor
Tito
Jackson
at
the
time
was
part
of
that
surveillance
because
he
had
been
using
that
that
language,
so
we're
not
kidding
when
we
say
you
know,
everyone
here
probably
is
is
in
some
of
these
databases.
O
The
second
time
was
drones
and
I
think
actually,
a
current
City
Hall
staffer
was
the
person
who
noticed
drones
flying
over
a
neighborhood
in
Jamaica
Plain
and
asked
a
bunch
of
us
what
is
going
on
here.
What
are
these
drones?
Where
is
this?
Coming
from
and
through
investigations
we
found
out
that
the
Boston
Police
Department
had
bought
drones
and
city
council
was
unaware
of
this
I?
O
Don't
remember
exactly
what
the
funding
source
was
that
bypassed
you
all
and
while
geophedia
that
I
mentioned
earlier,
isn't
it
seems
like
it's
no
longer
in
use
since
it's
not
on
this
list,
the
drones
clearly
are
and
I
think
are
of
major
concern
to
many
community
members
and
then,
even
after
the
surveillance
ordinance
passed
oddly
enough
just
I
think
within
the
past
year
it
was
found
that
BPD
had
bought
Stingray
devices
through
civil
asset
forfeitures
again
totally
bypassing
city
council,
even
after
this
ordinance
had
passed,
and
all
of
these
items
when
they
have
come
out
have
had
much
Community
concern
and
scrutiny,
but
there
has
been
no
public
process
yet
because
all
of
those
times
the
biggest
thing
was
we
didn't
even
know
these
things
existed
right.
O
We
don't
know
how
they
were
bought.
I
think
that's
information
that
we're
still
waiting
on
from
from
this
ordinance.
What
are
the
costs
for
these
items?
You
know
how
much
are
we
paying
for
all
of
this
and
where
are
they
in
use?
What
neighborhoods,
you
know,
have
the
biggest
density,
clearly
certain
neighborhoods
that
have
like
a
large
density
of
cameras,
so
there's
so
much
more
Community
input
that
is
needed
on
many
of
these
items
and
I'll
share.
O
I'll
share
a
few
I
think
one
that's
actually
not
in
BPD
and
the
OEM
person
who
is
here
didn't
speak
to
this
is
the
Sims
Sims
camera
information
management
system.
That's
a
regional
camera
Network
that
is
under
OEM.
He
did
speak
to
the
uwasi
grant,
which
I,
don't
think
was
part
of
the
public
notice.
For
this
hearing
and
I
do
want
to
say
when
there
is
a
public
notice.
For
that
you
know.
We
want
to
have
a
lot
more
input
on
that.
O
So
that
is
a
way
that
brick
stays
in
place
is
by
requiring
all
of
this
OEM
money
to
have
to
also
give
money
to
fusion
centers,
and
it's
it's
very
concerning
in
and
of
itself,
but
I
will
say
you
know
they
didn't
speak
to
Sims,
which
is
this
big
Regional
Network
of
the
cities
that
they
listed,
Cambridge
actually
pulled
out
of
Sims
at
the
beginning
of
that
you
know,
infrastructure
and
I,
don't
know
that
there's
been
much
public
process
or
scrutiny
since
then,
or
even
other.
O
You
know
City
input
on
who
wants
to
maintain
this
camera.
You
know
surveillance
Network.
We
do
know
that
mayor
Janie,
when
it
was
up
for
Renewal,
did
actually
pause
that
for
a
year,
because
we
brought
up
concerns
to
her
and
I
believe
marwoo
went
ahead
and
approved
that
last
year,
without
you
know
public
input,
that
is
one
that
falls
outside
of
BPD.
That
I
want
to
make
sure
you
all
are
aware
of
I.
Think
one
that
many
counselors
you
know
already
have
taken
public
stances
against
is
the
gang
database.
O
That
is
one
where
you
know:
I
I,
don't
know
why
the
current
Administration
hasn't
moved
on
it.
Yet
mayor
Wu
made
I
think
over
a
dozen
public.
You
know
stances
to
actually
get
rid
of
the
gang
database
and
we
would
have
liked
to
have
seen
it
gone
by
now.
I'll,
actually
just
quote
her
directly
saying
I
think
I'm,
one
of
just
a
few
candidates
who's
been
calling
out
that
even
that
database,
where
they're
going
to
supposedly
search
gang
affiliation,
is
deeply
deeply
flawed,
biased
inaccurate
and
should
be
dismantled
in
and
of
itself.
O
We
hope
that
this
Council
can
continue
to
lead.
You
know
current
attorney,
general
Andrea,
Campbell
or
new
attorney
general
led
on
this,
as
account
are
both
against
brick
and
the
Gang
database,
and
this
is
a
moment
where
the
council
can
lead
on
this
again
and
really
push
mayor
Wu
to
share.
You
know
why
haven't
they
made
that
a
priority
to
go
ahead
and
eliminate
that
game
database
which
people
have
really
come
to
a
consensus
on?
O
There's
a
number
of
other
items
on
there
that
deserve
scrutiny
and
I
think
the
other
thing
I'll
highlight
is
we
now
have
you
know
we
passed
and
defended
a
law
to
give
licenses
to
our
undocumented
family
and
community
members,
and
we
actually
really
need
to
be
thoughtful,
then
about
license
plate
readers
and
many
other
technologies
that
are
going
to
impact
undocumented
folks,
I
think
the
OEM
person
who
spoke
you
know
spoke
about
how
they're
supporting
migrants,
but
it's
really
actually
hard
to
do
that
when
we
know
that
much
of
this
technology
feeds
back
to
DHS
through
brick.
O
Right.
That's
why
the
game
database
has
been
an
issue.
We've
clearly
seen
youth
deported,
because
so
much
of
this
information
is
directly
going
back
to
DHS
and
ice,
and
so
we
really
need
to
think
through
not
just
the
license
plate
readers,
but
the
many
databases
here,
like
Lexus
Nexus,
like
clear
that
nationally
people
know,
are
selling
people's
information
back
to
ice
or
to
other
federal
agencies
and
have
impacted
immigrant
communities.
O
So
I
think
you
know
that
is.
That
is
a
lot
and
that's
just
the
surface
level
of
what
we
know
from
this
huge
package
of
information
and
I
really
hope
we
take
seriously.
You
know
deeply
scrutinizing
all
of
these
Technologies
and
policies
and
actually
creating
a
process
where
Community
actually
get
to
have
input
on
this.
P
We
specialize
in
matters
to
do
with
privacy
and
surveillance
and
the
Fourth
Amendment
I
want
to
say
up
front
that
there
is
a
certain
amount
of
shared
goals
here.
I
think
all
of
us
want
to
see
a
use
of
surveillance
technology
in
the
city
that
is
effective,
that
is
fair
and
that
advances
Public
Safety.
P
My
task
here
today
is
to
show
you
a
little
of
what
happens
when
we
do
delve
into
one
of
the
technologies
that
is
listed
in
this
large
pile
of
documents
and
to
illustrate
from
that
the
value
of
this
process.
The
technology
that
I'm
going
to
be
talking
about
is
shot
spotter,
which
is
a
gunshot
detection
technology.
P
It
involves
short
spotter
ink,
which
is
based
in
California
and
a
contract
between
short
Spotter
and
Boston
PD,
whereby
audio
microphones
are
placed
in
various
parts
of
of
the
city
audio
it's
a
little
like
it's
older
than
Alexa,
but
think
of
it
like
an
Alexa
it
activates
when
there
is
something
that
shot
spotter
defines
as
a
gunshot
like
noise,
it
is
continuously
recording
and
it
does
pick
up
things
other
than
gunfire-like
sounds,
but
it
Flags
in
shot
spotted
system
when
there
is
something
that
shot
spotters.
P
Now
this
technology
sounds
like
it
might
be
helpful
and
for
police
officers
who
look
at
this,
who
are
not
necessarily
trained
in
artificial
intelligence
or
in
how
these
systems
might
work.
Then
the
level
of
analysis
that
has
been
applied
to
this
technology
to
date
has
been.
Basically,
it
gets
us
more
quickly
to
a
location
where
there
may
be
gunfire
and
therefore,
who
can
possibly
say
that
this
would
be
a
bad
thing.
P
For
a
start,
we
can
compare
shot,
spotter
deployments
in
different
cities,
and
we
have
information
that
was
provided
by
Cambridge
PD
to
the
Cambridge
City
Council
when
they
were
considering
shot
spotter
deployment.
They
were
asked
what
portion
of
these
alerts
through
this
system
are
false
positives,
which
What
proportion
of
them
are
false
alarms.
P
The
information
that
was
provided
to
Cambridge
City
council
at
that
point
suggested
that
67
of
the
alerts
were
false
alarms,
so
that
includes
cars
backfiring.
It
includes
firecrackers.
It
includes
anything
that
is
a
loud
and
sudden
and
sharp
noise.
We
could
ask
shot.
Spotter
What
proportion
of
their
alerts
are
false,
but
they
have
not
provided
to
any
municipality.
The
results
of
an
independent
evaluation
of
what
percentage
of
their
alerts
are
false.
So,
let's
bear
in
mind
the
local
data
that
we
have.
Two-Thirds
of
their
alerts
are
fox.
P
What
does
that
imply?
Well,
it
increases
speed
of
response
by
police
officers,
but
response
to
what
it's
not
going
to
be
hugely
helpful
to
any
of
us
or
to
the
police
department.
If
police
officers
are
harrowing
around
around
car
backfires
or
things
that
may
or
may
not
be
the
results
of
gunfire,
if
they
think
that
they
are
heading
into
a
situation
where
individuals
may
be
armed,
then
that
is
a
high
adrenaline
high
risk
situation,
they're
not
going
to
have
in
the
Forefront
of
their
mind.
P
P
There's
also
a
question
here
of
substitution.
If
the
police
are
going
around
after
these
false
alerts,
what
are
they
not
responding
to?
What
is
the
waste
of
police
resources
that
goes
into
and
is
driven
by
the
shot
spotter
deployment
when
they
could
be
going
out
and
doing
other
more
positive
involvement
and
response?
P
P
If
you
overlay
it
on
the
on
a
demographic
map
of
Boston,
I'm
afraid,
the
pattern
is
pretty
clear.
We
are
talking
about
Roxbury
we're
talking
about
matapan.
We
are
talking
about
the
Western
portions
of
your
District
councilor
fern,
the,
but
mostly
we're
talking
about
councilor
Worrell
and
councilor
Fernandez
Anderson's
districts.
P
The
result
of
having
a
map
that
Co
of
microphones
that
covers
those
specific
areas
is
an
ongoing
process
where
black
residents
of
Boston
are
systematically
more
likely
to
be
audio
monitored
than
non-black
residents,
and
nobody
is
saying
necessarily
that
this
is
a
conscious
process
by
Boston
PD.
But
this
is
just
a
fact
based
on
where
these
microphones
are
deployed.
P
The
so,
let's
think
a
little
bit
about
what
that
would
do
to
the
data.
Boston
has
had
this
contract
with
shot
spotted
since
2008.,
microphones,
listening,
microphones,
alerting,
14
years
worth
of
data.
That
focuses
on
that
specific
geographic
area
and
has
the
information
go
into
the
shots
fired
database?
P
First,
aggressive
deployment
to
possible
gunshots
in
the
areas
where
black
residents
of
the
city
live
and
for
other
areas,
presumably
slower
responses,
slower
focus
and
less
data
going
into
the
system
which
then
compounds
over
time,
such
that
the
data
that
Boston
PD
is
seeing
is
well.
This
is
where
the
problem
is.
This
is
even
more
where
the
problem
is.
This
is
even
more
where
the
problem
is
and
it
becomes
circular
they
find
gunfire
there,
because
that's
where
the
microphones
there.
Why
are
the
microphones
there?
P
There
have
been
reports
from
other
cities
and
states
that
shot
Spotter
and
police
departments
sometimes
have
let's
say,
collaborative
relationships
such
that
police
have
gone
back
to
shot
Spotter
and
said.
Look
your
audio
alerts
do
not
match
The
Narrative
of
the
pro
of
the
individual
that
we
are
trying
to
charge.
P
Can
you
go
back
into
the
system
and
reconfigure
your
alerts
retroactively
so
that
it
fits
with
the
narrative
and
the
response
of
shot
Spotter
and
those
reported
situations
and
I
have
links
in
our
written.
Testimony
is
sure
thing
there
is
a
significant
potential
for
Injustice
here
and
that
fact
that
the
shot
spotter
evidence
did
not
really
match
up
with.
It
did
not
come
out
in
the
case
that
is
reported
on
until
the
defendant
was
a
couple
of
years
into
the
process
of
being
charged
and
being
in
prison
awaiting
trial
and
then
going
to
trial.
P
We
should
all
share
an
objective
where
we're
concerned
about
outcomes.
We
are
all
concerned
about
Public
Safety,
so
again,
looking
specifically
at
shot
spotter,
how
many
arrests
have
Arisen
out
of
this
system?
Well,
we
don't
know-
and
you
won't
find,
that
in
the
reporting
that
we've
had
to
date,
what
were
the
arrests
for?
Well,
we
don't
know
that
either
were
there
any
convictions
that
arose
out
of
it
at
all?
Well,
we
don't
know
that.
P
Just
as
with
you,
as
City
councilors,
the
budgets
that
you
pass
Express
the
priorities
that
you
have,
we
feel
that,
after
14
years
of
short-spotted
Diplomat,
if
the
police
department
cared
about
the
outcomes
that
are
important
to
us
as
a
community,
they
would
have
been
looking
at
that.
Instead,
it
is
operated
on
a
superficial
level.
P
This
looks
like
a
handy
tool
to
get
to
a
place
quicker,
so
without
a
proper
program
of
valuation.
Having
been
done,
we
don't-
and
you
don't
have
the
information
right
now
to
assess
whether
it's
a
proper
use
of
public
funds
in
other
towns
and
cities.
There
have
been
such
evaluations
and
there
have
been
cities
that
have
been
stepping
back
from
their
use
of
shot,
Spotter
and
ending
those
contracts
in
Charlotte
North
Carolina
in
Dayton
Ohio
in
Fall
River.
P
That
concludes
my
comments
on
shot
spotter,
but
I
just
want
to
remark
briefly
on
the
important
thing
that
was
said
by
councilor
luigien.
P
P
I
would
say
that
outside
the
police
department.
To
be
honest,
there
are
not
many
people
who
have
looked
as
closely
as
I
have
on
the
data
and
the
data
as
to
the
complaints
that
have
been
made
under
the
privacy
policy
and
I
can
say
that
it
is
extraordinarily
difficult
to
make
a
complaint.
The
policies
designed
in
such
a
way
that
redress
will
never
in
fact
be
provided,
and
there
are
in
no
cases
in
the
Privacy
log
of
redress
having
been
provided
since
brick
was
founded.
P
Part
of
the
reason
for
this
is
that
the
part
the
policy
says
that
it
excludes
categorically
any
information
that
is
held
in
criminal
intelligence
databases,
and
that
includes
the
gang
database.
That
includes
many
databases.
There
are
brick
hearts,
and
so,
if
you
can't
get
redress
for
situations
where
brick
holds
data
on
you,
what
can
you
get
redressed
for?
P
So
there
is
only
one
function
of
the
brick
privacy
policy
and
the
redress
policy,
and
that
is
meetings
like
this,
where
brick
can
be
asked
by
City
councilors.
What
do
you
do
for
a
redress
and
they
can
say
we
have
a
redress
policy,
there's
no
other
purpose
to
it
and
practically
there
is
nothing
else
that
it
has
been
used
for.
So
I
just
wanted
to
clear
that
up.
A
Thank
you
Alex.
Do
you
recognize
my
colleagues
on
arrival
council
president
flint
and
we've
also
been
joined
by
city
council,
Tony,
Fernandez,
Anderson.
G
I
have
had
the
opportunity
to
work
with
residents
and
Community
groups,
and,
and
certainly
the
police
on
shots,
shot.
Squatter
and
I
do
know
the
incredible
tool
it
provides
the
Boston
police
and
the
residence
in
not
sure
if
the
data
from
Cambridge
would
would
reflect.
What
we
have
here
in
Boston
I
would
I
would
assume
it's
it's
different,
but
I
do
know
it's
an
important
tool
that
we
have
in
this
city
to
try
to
keep
our
residents
as
safe
as
we
possibly
can.
G
G
So
in
in
five
years
that
I've
been
a
city
council,
almost
six
years,
I've
been
a
city
councilor
representing
the
south
end
where,
where
we
do
have
it
in
other
areas,
res
one
resident,
not
one
resident,
has
said
to
me
Council
Flynn.
We
need
to
get
rid
of
this
I'm
in
the
community
every
day.
Every
night
I'm
in
there
six
seven
nights
a
week
listening
to
residents
people
my
constituency
say
to
me
councilor
Flynn.
We
need
more
resources.
What
are
you
doing
about
it?
G
How
are
you
going
to
get
more
police
and
certain
particular
parks
and
they're
right,
they're
right
to
ask
me
those
questions,
because
that's
the
that's
the
job
I
was
elected
to
do,
but
my
my
goal
as
a
district
City
Council
of
representing
South
Boston,
the
south
end
in
Chinatown,
representing
areas
close
to
mass
and
casts
as
well
Andrew
Square.
G
My
my
goal
was
to
provide
as
much
resources
to
prevent
crime
community
policing
so
that
we
can
have
safe
neighborhoods.
We
were
talking
about
the
increase
in
violence
or
the
uptick
in
violence.
However,
we,
however
rephrase
it
but
what's
important,
is
we
work
together?
Listen,
listen
to
the
residents
in
the
impacted
communities,
because
residents
in
the
impacted
communities
will
often
say
to
me:
what
are
we
going
to
do
to
bring
more
police
to
our
city?
We
we
don't
have
enough
police
officers
in
Boston
and
that's
that's
what
I
continue
to
advocate
for
that.
G
One
other
one
of
the
concern
I
had
is
when
this
information
eventually
is
brought
back
to
the
Boston
city
council,
to
review
whether
it's
annually
or
semi-annually,
I'm,
I'm,
wondering
or
I'm
thinking
out
loud
how
that
material
is
brought
back
to
us.
Are
we
getting
specific
locations?
G
G
Getting
us
this
information
I,
just
don't
want
I,
just
want
to
make
sure
that
when
information
is
brought
to
the
city
council
that
that
information
is
protected
and
it
doesn't
get
into
the
public
domain,
that's
an
important,
that's
an
important
aspect
for
me:
I'm
I'm,
probably
the
only
person
here
in
the
city
council
that
has
had
top
secrets
Security
in
my
life
but
I
think
knowing
knowing
when
we
get
secret
information
or
classified
information.
Maybe
how
is
that
being
physically
delivered
to
the
city
council?
G
Are
we
under
an
obligation
to
make
sure
it
stays
here
at
the
Boston
city
council
level?
We
have
public
meetings
about
it,
but
I
want
to
make
sure
I
get
input
from
the
Boston
police
as
well
in
India
in
Residence
about
how
we
safeguard
that
material.
Any
comments
on
on
that
type
of
response
that
type
of
question.
N
Looks
like
my
mics
okay,
there
we
go
through
the
chair.
Thank
you
for
the
question.
The
Boston
Police
Department
is
not
like
the
CIA
or
the
U.S
military,
in
the
sense
that
you
know
in.
In
my
view,
at
least
it
should
not
be
handling
classified
information
that
you
know
is
not
accessible
to
either
members
of
the
public
or
to
City
councilors.
Obviously,
there
are
state
laws
that
prevent
the
Boston
police
or
allow
the
Boston
Police
Department
to
withhold
from
public
disclosure
information
that
would
jeopardize
an
existing
investigation.
N
You
know
to
to
the
question
about
how
granular
the
information
should
be
that
the
Boston
Police
Department
presents
to
the
council
about,
for
example,
the
location
of
surveillance
cameras.
This
is
actually
an
issue
that
we
have
some
significant
concerns
about
in
the
initial
submissions
that
the
BPD
provided
to
the
council
and
to
the
public.
N
There
was
not
any
information
about
the
location
of
the
over
1000
surveillance
cameras
that
BPD
has
access
to
across
the
city,
and
so
we
asked
in
a
subsequent
communication
to
the
police
department
and
the
administration
for
more
detail
about
where
those
cameras
are
I'm.
You
know
I'm
sure
you
can
understand.
There
are
a
number
of
reasons
why
residents
and
civil
rights
Advocates
would
want
to
know
if
there
is,
for
example,
us.
N
Last
night
at
about
four
o'clock
attorney
for
debt
sent
a
letter
to
respond
to
the
letter
that
that
our
three
organizations
had
sent
to
the
city
asking
for
follow-up
information
about
some
things
and
in
that
letter
did
provide
a
little
bit
more
details
about
where
some
of
those
cameras
are
but
broken
down
by
police
district,
which,
as
you
know,
is
a
very
large
area
geographically,
each
of
those
police
districts.
You
know
some
of
them
Encompass
miles
square
miles
of
territory.
N
So
as
someone
who
does
live
in
one
of
the
most
heavily
surveilled
areas
of
the
city,
I
live
in
the
Brunswick
King
neighborhood
kind
of
in
between
upham's
corner
and
Dudley
square
Nubian
square.
And
you
know
there
are
surveillance
cameras
all
over
the
place
in
my
neighborhood,
and
you
can
see
them
with
your
eyes.
So
it's
not
exactly
like
a
big.
N
You
know:
National
Security
secret,
that
they're
there
we
have
heard
through
folks
in
the
administration
that
some
people
in
the
police
department
are
concerned
about
providing
more
granular
information
about
the
location
of
the
cameras,
in
particular,
for
example,
people
I
think.
One
of
the
concerns
that
I
heard
that
was
expressed
is
that
people
might
try
to
plot
a
route
out
of
the
city
that
you
could
drive
without
being
seen
by
a
surveillance
camera,
not
really
sure
what
types
of
criminals
the
BPD
is
dealing
with.
I.
N
Don't
know
that
that
folks
are
that
sophisticated
necessarily,
but,
as
I
said
before,
you
can
certainly
see
them
with
your
own
eyes,
they're,
not
hidden
from
from
public
View,
and
so
we
remain
a
little
bit
confused
about
why
the
locations
of
the
cameras
are
not.
You
know,
disclosed
in
more
granular
detail
to
the
public
to
the
council.
N
If
you
know
I
could
get
access
to
some
of
that
footage.
That's
yet
another
reason
why
I
think
it
would
be
helpful
to
have
some
more
granular
information
available
to
the
public
about
where
these
cameras
are
so
that
folks,
can
you
know,
provide
an
adequate
defense
for
themselves
for
their
clients
by
asking
the
police
department
for
that
information.
We
know
the
police
told
us
that
they
delete
that
data
or
right
over
it
every
30
days.
N
So,
there's
not
a
whole
lot
of
time
that
people
have
to
make
a
request
of
the
BPD
to
preserve
information
from
a
surveillance
camera.
So
in
any
event,
you
know
I
think
we
may
have
some
different
instincts
about
how
much
information
should
be
public.
We
would
lean
in
favor
of
you
know.
More
transparency,
I
think
that
if
there
are
situations
in
which
the
police
need
to
withhold
information,
I
think
that
you
know
there
ought
to
be
a
lot
of
information
provided
about.
N
Why
that's
necessary
and
not
so
much
speculative
information,
but
more
kind
of
concrete
details
about
why
you
know
providing
details
about
XYZ
technology
could
threaten
Public,
Safety
or
or
the
you
know,
sanctity
of
criminal
investigations.
Because
again
you
can
see
the
cameras
with
your
eyes
on
the
street
they're
not
hidden.
G
Thank
you,
Kate,
and
let
me
just
let
me
just
follow
up
say
thank
you
to
you
for
your
work
and
to
the
again
to
the
Boston
police
that
are
here,
but
from
my
experience
as
a
district
city
council,
a
shot
spotter
plays
a
critical
role
in
our
city
in
our
neighborhoods
residents.
G
Residents
are
asking
for
more
of
it.
To
be
honest
with
you,
they
were
asking
me
for
more
of
this
sophisticated
techno
technology
in
in
my
neighborhood
in
my
communities,
and
they
that
they
they
know
it's
it's
helpful.
It's
also
helpful
to
the
police.
It's
helpful
to
the
to
the
public
as
well.
G
So
that's
that's
one
issue
I
want
just
one
of
the
stress.
The
other
issue
Mr
chair
is
that
I
also
wanted
to
stress.
I
did
I
did
speak
about
it,
but
when
information
is
brought
to
this
Council,
we
have
to
be
certain
that
we
safeguard
that
material,
especially
if
it's
somewhat
classified
we
just
can't
release
documents
into
the
public
domain
in
it
could
have
an
impact
further
impact
on
on
Public
Safety.
G
A
O
Want
to
be
clear
that
we're
not
talking
about
classified
information,
and
it
feels
really
hard
to
have
the
council
questioning
an
ordinance
that
was
unanimously
passed
after
BPD,
had
multiple
working
sessions
with
the
ACLU
to
come
up
with
all
these
requirements
so
that
location
requirement
you
know,
BPD
shouldn't
be
surprised
by
it.
I
think
we're
just
surprised
why
it
hasn't
been
fulfilled,
but
there
was
a
lot
of
work
from
Advocates
along
with
the
police
that
went
into
creating.
O
You
know
the
requirements
of
this
ordinance,
so
it
should
have
come
up
at
that
point
if
it
was
a
concern
and
also
want
to
reiterate
I'm
a
resident
of
Dorchester
impacted
by
violence.
There's
plenty
of
violence
in
my
neighborhood
I
do
not
want
shot
spotter.
My
office
is
in
your
District
in
Chinatown,
I,
don't
want
shot
Spotter
and
there
has
been
no
public
process
around
shot
sputter.
O
We
just
had
a
workshop
with
community
members
on
that
surveillance
list,
so
we
actually
did
go
over
that
with
maybe
40
to
50
community
members,
and
most
of
them
were
surprised
that
there
were
so
many
technologies
that
they
don't
know
about,
including
shot
Spotter
and
most
of
them
said
they
also
want
it
gone.
So
I
hope
that
we
have
a
public
process
where
people
can
actually
share
that
with
you
all
the.
G
A
G
Thank
you
and
I
I'm
glad
you
mentioned
that,
because
when
there,
when
there's
quality
life
issues
of
public
safety
issues
in
my
district,
you
know
as
as
a
district
city
council
when
something
goes
wrong.
There's
two
people
to
blame:
it's
the
mayor
in
the
district,
City,
Council
I
think,
while
all
district
City
councils
would
acknowledge
that.
G
That's
why
I
advocate
for
resources
for
my
constituents,
because
as
a
district
city
council,
we
don't
have
the
luxury
and
I
same
with
the
at
large
consoles.
We
don't
have
the
luxury
to
pass
past
the
buck.
It's
this.
It's
the
mayor
and
the
district
City
councilors
are
held
responsible
for
what
happens
in
their
community
in
District
City
councils,
myself
included.
Take
that
personally,
so
we
need
I
need
all
the
resources
and
tools
in
my
district
to
make
sure
we
have
a
safe
and
vibrant,
healthy
neighborhoods
in
short,
spotter
is,
is
part
of
it.
L
Thank
you
chair
and
thank
you
to
the
panelists
for
being
here
today
and
sharing
all
of
that
information
regarding
the
shot,
spotter
data,
because
I
think
that
we're
there
right
now
and
I
think
that
one
of
the
things
that
is
frustrating
for
me
when
having
these
conversations
is
that
we
continue
to
make
decisions,
particularly
when
it
relates
to
the
Boston
Police
Department,
based
on
anecdote,
anecdotal
evidence
or
stories
that
people
come
and
share
with
us
and
conveniently
some
of
those
stories
come
from
the
Boston,
Police
Department,
and
sometimes
they
come
from
my
fellow
council
members.
L
L
We're
not
going
to
make
decisions
about
where
we
spend
the
money
and
where
we
put
money
now
at
this
point,
it
really
does
sound
like
we're
reading
from
a
script
in
terms
of
like
the
talking
points
about
surveillance
and
police
in
the
city
of
Boston,
it's
incredibly
frustrating
for
me,
because
we're
not
actually
having
a
real
conversation.
I
think
that
the
chief
who
was
on
the
administrative
panel
made
a
comment
that
to
me
was
very
Salient
where
he
says
how
do
we
have
balanced
in
good
faith?
Conversations
about
the
issues
that
we're
having
here?
L
That
is
what
I
would
like
to
do
if
we
are
just
reiterating
our
same
talking
points
without
any
actual
information
or
proof
of
any
of
those
things,
then
we're
not
actually
having
a
conversation
in
good
faith,
and
so
I
just
wanted
to
apologize
for
that
continued
Behavior,
because
I
know
that
you
all
have
been
doing
incredible
work
not
just
around
this,
but
around
oversight
and
spending
around
the
police
department
and
I'm
sure
that
it's
also
incredibly
frustrating
for
you
to
not
get
the
answers
to
your
questions.
Now.
L
People
in
the
neighborhoods
in
our
neighborhoods
in
my
district
specifically
cannot
know
if
a
shot
spotter
is
useful
or
not,
cannot
advocate
for
something
that
they
believe
is
a
useful
tool,
because
no
one
has
that
information.
We
don't
actually
have
that
information.
The
people
in
our
neighborhoods
do
not
have
that
information
shot
spotters
has
not
given
us
that
information.
The
Boston
police
department
has
not
given
us
that
information
and
anybody
who
was
paying
attention
to
anything
in
the
city
of
Boston
and
myself,
who
very
intimately
familiar
with
the
brick
in
my
time.
L
My
four
years
as
a
street
worker
in
the
city,
both
in
councilor
Flynn's
District
in
the
South
End
and
lower
Roxbury
and
in
Mattapan
I,
don't
know
that
a
shot
spotter
would
be
how
many
shootings,
how
many
guns
are
going
off
in
Chinatown
I
would
I
would
like
that
number
through
the
chair.
If
that
is
a
conversation
that
we're
having
and
to
talk
about
what
the
usefulness
of
those
things
are
and.
L
So.
Thank
you.
Do
you
have
examples
of
how
other
cities
have
implemented
these
kinds
of
surveillance,
oversight
policies
and
the
impact
that
they've
had.
N
N
Go
so
yes
through
the
chair,
counselor
Laura.
Thank
you
for
that.
A
number
of
cities
Nationwide
have
implemented
similar
ordinances,
including
a
number
in
Massachusetts.
Our
neighbor
is
Somerville
and
Cambridge
among
them.
Summerville
in
Cambridge
have
a
couple
years
of
experience
prior
to
the
adoption
in
Boston
of
dealing
with
these
ordinances.
N
There
are
also
a
number
of
communities
across
the
country
that
have
passed
similar
laws
at
the
local
level
and
I'd
be
happy
to
get
you
more
materials
about
how
specifically
those
processes
have
unfolded
in
other
communities.
You
know
we
on
The
Advocate
side,
at
least
for
us.
Boston
was
really
the
the
most
important
community.
In
terms
of
you
know
our
goals
of
bringing
more
accountability
and
transparency
to
surveillance
practices
in
the
Metro
Boston
area.
N
So
I
think
you
know
we
don't
have
a
whole
lot
of
examples.
In
Massachusetts
of
cities
of
of
similar
size,
San
Francisco
is
a
community
in
the
west
coast,
that's
similarly,
similarly
sized
that
has
an
ordinance
like
this
on
the
books
and
if
you
know
there
are
other
specific
questions
that
you
have
about
how
the
implementation
hasn't
unfolded
in
places
like
San,
Francisco
or
Seattle,
I'd
be
happy
to
try
to
get
that
information
for
you.
If
I
don't
have
a
top
of
mind.
Thank.
P
Just
as
an
example
of
implementation
of
such
ordinances,
there
was
a
reference
by
a
police
representative
to
a
situation
where
the
use
of
a
Cell,
Site
Simulator
was
disapproved
as
part
of
an
ordinance
process.
I
can
speak
to
that
if
it
would
help.
P
The
committee
I
believe
that
the
instance
that
he
is
referring
to
is
in
the
City
of
Vallejo
California,
which
is
a
remote
out
of
suburb
of
San
Francisco,
and
what
happened
with
Vallejo
PD
is
that
they
decided
they
were
going
to
after
an
ordinance
passed,
deploy
a
Cell
Site
Simulator,
without
going
through
the
process
of
the
Ordnance
and
public
hearings
and
letting
the
city
council
know
and
all
of
the
procedural
elements
in
this
as
a
consequence
of
their
not
having
gone
through
that
and
made
that
decision,
they
were
sued
by
an
advocacy
group
and
I
presume
that,
as
a
consequence
of
that
lawsuit,
the
reporting
is
a
little
unclear.
P
P
If
you
have
an
ordinance,
if
you're
one
of
the
many
towns
and
cities
now
that
have
these
ordinances,
you
respect
the
process.
You
go
through
the
process
and
the
city
council
approves
or
denies
particular
Technologies,
and
that
is
fine
is
when
people
try
to
circumvent
the
process,
that
there
have
been
problems.
D
Actually,
I
like
to
make
a
response
to
the
shot,
spotter
statements
that
were
made
foreign-
you
know,
gun
violence
is
a
public
epidemic
right
and
it
devastates
most
communities
across
the
United
States
and
Boston
is
not
immune
to
that,
and
one
of
the
benefits
of
having
shot
spotter
is
that
the
amount
of
unreported
shots
fired
in
the
community
as
high
as
average
of
80
percent
throughout
this
country.
Boston
sphere
is
a
little
better
than
that.
We're
approximately
72
percent
of
gunshots
go
unreported
over
the
past
five
years.
D
D
As
far
as
there's
been
no
independent
study
with
regards
to
shot
spotter,
there
was
an
independence
audit
that
was
completed
by
Edgeworth
analytics
in
2021
in
August
song
that
shot
spotter
correctly
detected,
classified
and
published
gunfire
incidents
by
97.59
percent
and
reviewing
our
analytic
shots
fired
database,
which
is
confirmed,
shot
fired,
inspired
incidents
in
Boston.
That's
what
ballistics
was
recovered
that
occurred
within
the
shot
spotted
coverage.
Zone
revealed
the
statistics
that
I
gave
you,
which
was
on
average.
D
72
percent
went
unreported
and
we
know
when
gun
violence,
unreported
the
individual
is
responsible
for
the
violence
that
emboldened
it
will
make.
The
it'll
put
the
community
members
at
greater
risk.
Victims
will
not
get
the
medical
treatment
required
fast
enough
which
could
occur,
could
turn
the
Survivor
into
a
homicide.
Victim
residents
feel
unsafe
outside
and
inside
their
homes.
Parents
are
fearful
of
letting
their
children
explain
outside
Community
jobs
are
loss
potential
for
businesses
to
be
established
in
community
loss
or
established
businesses.
Move
out
in
a
cycle
of
violence
will
continue
shot.
D
Spotter
identifies
90
percent
of
more
gunfire
incidents
and
relays
that
information
to
to
the
Boston
Police
Department
within
seconds,
it's
usually
within
a
60-second
time
frame.
This
enables
faster
response
time,
better
collection
of
evidence,
medical
treatment
to
victims
that
it
helps
us
identify
hot
spots
and
locate
individuals
in
possession
of
firearms.
Those
those
are
benefits
to
the
community
members
that
are
most
impacted
by
gun
violence
and
as
far
as
we're
the
shot
spot
of
coverage
is
shot
spotter.
We
identify
the
areas
with
the
most
gunfire
within
the
city.
D
If
we
had
the
budget,
we'd
have
shot
spotter
anywhere
everywhere
in
the
city
that
include
Charlestown,
West,
Roxbury,
South
Boston
things
of
that
nature,
but
because
of
the
budget
constraints,
we're
unable
to
do
that.
I
mean
in
fact
I'll
push
back
on
the
fact
that
Chinatown
does
not
want
shot
squatter
they're
in
the
process
of
trying
to
to
gather
enough
grant
money
to
get
shot
spot
to
put
in
the
area
of
Chinatown.
So
I'll
push
back
on
on
that
portion
of
it.
Shop
spot
is
not
unique
to
Boston.
D
It's
used
utilized
in
130
cities
across
this
country,
such
as
Springfield
Mass,
New,
Bedford,
Mass,
Hartford,
Connecticut,
Chicago,
Illinois,
New,
York,
San,
Diego,
Miami,
Florida,
Columbus,
Ohio,
just
just
to
name
a
few
that
see
the
value
and
the
benefits
of
using
shot.
Spotter
A
major
benefit
as
I
stated
early.
D
Is
it
it
detects
gunfire
in
less
than
60
seconds
and
enables
a
rapid,
precise
response
to
run
to
Aid
to
victims
and
increases
opportunity
to
capture
the
individuals
involved
and
collect
evidence
that
will
be
invaluable
with
the
shooting
or
homicide
investigations
with
regards
to
privacy
issues,
we
acknowledge
these
privacy
concerns
have
been
ongoing.
Battle
between
law
enforcement
and
communities
we
serve
shot
spot
has
strict
controls
to
ensure
census
only
target
trigger
on
loud
or
explosive
or
impulsive
sounds
that
are
likely
gunfire.
D
No
community
members
information
is
obtained
or
used
during
any
part
of
detection
or
learning
process
shot.
Spotter
works
with
acoustic
sensors,
strategically
positioned
in
Boston
to
try
and
lead
the
sound
of
what
may
be
gunshots
those
those
measurements
then
go
to
a
company
computer
for
analytical
analysis
to
determine
if
a
gunshot,
fireworks
or
something
else
and
in
no
time
is
a
community
being
surveilled
for
their
private
information
and
I'll
refer
to
the
statistics.
D
Provided
previously,
we
look
at
an
average
confirmed
shots
fired
over
a
five-year
period
of
182
shots
fired
with
130
of
those
confirmed
shots
fired
with
no
9-1-1
calls.
It
equates
to
7.2
out
of
10
potential
gunshot
victims
that
would
not
have
received
the
aid
needed
to
treat
them
or
perform
life-saving
CPR
or
collect
evidence
that
would
have
been
lost.
This
is
that's
invaluable
to
a
shooting
or
a
homicide
investigation
shops.
D
It
doesn't
mean
that
when
the
department
is
going
to
have
100
sex
success
rate
with
tracking
down
every
individual
firing
or
firearm,
but
it
does
provide
more
significant
chance
of
aiding
victims,
getting
Firearms
off
the
street
collecting
evidence
and
solving
the
shootings
of
homicides
that
occur.
Those
are
clearly
benefits
to
the
community
and
with
regards
to
the
statement
that
was
made
that
shot
spotter
was
changing
their
data.
D
Just
this
year,
August
of
2022
Vice
media
had
to
correct
those
statements
made
from
a
defamation
lawsuit.
They
retracted
that
statement
saying
that
their
information
was
put
into
the
media
incorrectly.
L
N
N
All
of
these
materials
is
wholly
insufficient
in
terms
of
addressing
you
know
the
Myriad
of
issues
that
are
raised
by
all
of
these
different
Technologies,
so
I
don't
actually
think
that
it's
productive
for
us
to
have
a
back
and
forth
debate
about
the
merits
of
shot
spotter
in
this
particular
hearing
I
do
think
shot.
Spotter
is
a
technology
that
we
really
ought
to
have
a
more
fully
fleshed
out
conversation
about
and
that
it
may
require
its
own
hearing,
maybe
even
multiple
hearings,
so
that
we
can
get
community
questions
answered.
N
You
know,
folks,
who
have
varying
opinions
on
the
technology
can
speak
to
it.
The
only
thing
that
I
would
like
to
correct
about
what
I
just
heard
is
that
that
was
not
an
independent
study.
The
Edward
Edgeworth
analytics
study
was
in
fact
commissioned
by
AI
shot
spotter,
so
just
want
to
be
clear
about
that.
P
P
The
the
process
of
identifying
gunshot-like
sounds
is
a
hard
challenge
in
Artificial.
Intelligence
short
spotter
does
live
fire
testing,
but
it
does
it
under
control
conditions.
It
blocks
off
streets.
It
tries
to
make
sure
that
there
is
a
quiet
environment.
All
things
that
in
cities
are
not
necessarily
always
the
case,
and
then
it
has
people
who,
test
and
rate
the
sounds
that
they
hear
and
Report
whether
what
they
think
gunfire
sounds
like
and
so
again
from
the
same
litigation.
P
P
This
is
the
kind
of
thing
that
is
going
to
come
up
with
Technologies.
All
the
time
I
will
observe
that
the
gentleman
who
just
testified
from
the
police
department
also
contradicted
the
written
submission
of
the
police
department,
where
they
were
very,
very
insistent
that
it
was
shot
spotted
that
had
defined
the
locations
of
the
microphones.
P
Whereas
he
said
that
we
meaning
the
department
had
identified
the
locations
and
I
just
want
to
observe
that,
in
the
inconsistency
for
the
benefit
of
the
council.
I
think
that
we
know
that
engineers
in
San
Francisco
are
not
going
to
know
the
details
on
the
ground
of
our
neighborhoods
and
that
they
got
that
information
from
somewhere
I'm.
Assuming
despite
the
map
that
they
didn't
just
look
at
the
racial
demographics
and
put
it
in
the
black
neighborhoods.
But
they
got
the
information
from
somewhere.
L
Now
I
want
a
time
to
councilor
Fernandez
Anderson,
who
I
know
has
been
waiting
and
I
know
that
we
have
people
who
are
waiting
for
public
testimony,
but
I
think
that
one
I
would
like
to
retract
my
request
of
that
report.
I
don't
want
anything
that
was
commissioned
by
shot
spotters,
that's
not
an
independent
study
and
gives
me
no
useful
information,
especially
if
it's
a
put
it
together
by
their
marketing
department.
L
The
one
thing
that
has
been
made
clear
to
me
is
that
similar
to
shot
spotters
and
all
other
use
of
other
technology,
I
mean
the
brick
alone
could
have
its
own
hearing
and
now
I
want
to
I
want
to
give
credit
to
the
Boston
Police
Department,
because
since
I
have
worked
with
the
brick
and
my
engagement
with
the
brick,
they
have
done,
and
they
a
lot
has
changed
and
during
and
in
in
the
Boston
Police
Department
made
that
clear
during
the
budget
process
in
terms
of
the
changes
that
they
have
made
to
the
brick
and
how
they
put
brick,
and
so
I
just
want
to
commend
that
work
and
we're
not
finished
right.
L
There's
like
work,
there's
a
lot
of
work
to
be
done:
I
wanna
again,
thank
you
for
the
work
that
you're
doing
and
just
really
call
on
my
Council
colleagues
to
make
decisions
that
are
based
on
factual
information
information
that
we
have,
especially
when
it
comes
to
how
we're
spending
our
money
on
the
Boston
Police
Department,
given
that
we
are
fiduciary
responsible
for
our
budget
here
and
I'm
sure
that
we'll
see
you
again.
Thank
you
chair.
Thank
you.
Council.
G
Yeah,
just
a
follow-up
comment
and
I'll
be
very
brief.
The
the
reason
we
we
were
talking
about
shot
spotter
is
Alex.
You
you
brought
it
up
in
your
in
your
statement
and
I
I
felt
it
was
appropriate
for
me
to
to
respond
to
it
because
of
because
I
know
the
impact
it
has
in.
My
District
in
my
residence
rely
on
the
tools
in
the
Boston
police
for
Public
Safety
and
that's
the
reason.
I
responded
to
you.
G
Our
opening
statement
about
shots,
shot
spotter
spot
shutter
and
we
had
the
discussion
about
it,
but
I
thought
it
was
appropriate
for
me
to
respond,
because
I
do
know
that
we
we
need
the
necessary
tools
and
resources
on
Public
Safety.
Thank
you.
Mr,
chair.
Q
Q
So
if
we
are
at
a
state
where
we
have
evaluations
that
prove
that
these
surveillance
are
ineffective
or
disproportionately,
of
course,
racist
or
just
a
majority
in
black
and
brown
communities
that
further
discriminate-
and
then
we
also
I
I,
looked
at
some
research
specifically
with
Cambridge
and
how
these
shot
spotters
are
actually
ineffective
and
fail
about
70
percent
of
the
time
and
so
I
I
guess.
The
question
is,
then,
what
what
exactly
like?
Where
do
we
make
logic
out
of
this
like
what?
What
exactly
are
we
talking
about?
Q
L
I
want
to
answer
that
question,
and
so
the
part
of
this
process
and
part
of
what
the
ordinance
calls
for
is
that
these
seven
City
departments
that
fall
underneath
the
ordinance
ordinance
submit
their
policies,
surveillance
policies
to
the
Boston
city
council,
that
the
Boston
city
council,
reviews
the
surveillance
policies
and
then
approves
those
policies,
and
then
it'll
put
us
on
a
schedule
of
receiving
updates
yearly
from
these
departments.
L
And
so
it
is
a
800
plus
page
document
that
the
city
of
council
is
meant
to
review
and
then
approve
and
and
scrutinize
kind
of
the
surveillance
policies.
And
so
this
is
our
first
hearing
to
ultimately
scrutinize
the
800
page
document
that
we
received
so
that
the
Boston
city
council
can
approve
and
so
on,
and
so
we're
only
going
to
this
is
a
process.
That's
only
going
to
happen
once
and
where
we
are
in
the
process.
Now.
Is
that
the?
L
Although
we
received
an
incredible
amount
of
information
and
I
just
want
to
reiterate
that
the
Boston
Police
Department
with
very
short
timeline,
did
an
incredible
amount
of
work
and
the
lawyers
that
I
know
were
thanked
earlier?
It's
incomplete.
We
don't
have
all
the
information
that
is
required
by
the
ordinance,
and
so
we
were
asking
questions
through
the
administration,
the
Boston
Police
Department
and
now
to
the
panelists.
That
would
help
us
further
make
decisions
about
the
surveillance
use
technologies
that
were
given
to
us
so
I'm.
The
chair
will
make
a
decision
about
what
happens
next.
L
A
You
and
Council
Fernandez
Anderson,
it's
the
Boston
Police
Department,
it's
the
Boston
parks
department,
Park
Rangers,
Boston,
Public,
Schools,
Boston,
Public,
Health,
commission,
Boston,
Housing,
Authority,
Boston,
Municipal
protection
services
and
the
office
of
emergency
emergency
management.
Those
are
the
those
who
all
fall
under
the
surveillance
use
policy.
Q
Thank
you,
I
think
my
questions
predominantly
tailored
to
BPD
and
then
realizing
that
some
information
were
submitted.
So
I
yield
my
time
just
looking
forward
to
I
guess
some
of
those
documents,
and
when
do
we
expect
that
BPD
will
submit
What's
missing.
A
Good
question,
we'll
probably
after
the
after
the
game,
room,
we'll
convene
with
the
representatives
from
the
department
and
the
attorneys
that
have
done
a
tremendous
amount
of
work
on
this,
along
with
the
administration,
so
treat
it
to
an
answer
to
that
through
the
chair.
Q
Q
Just
the
contradiction
in
terms
of
like
how
it
actually
it's
effective
or
not
effective
I
know
that
a
lot
of
the
research
shows
that
you're
responding
to
just
noise,
not
necessarily
actually
resolving
crime,
and
so
but
then
you
know
if
it's
helpful,
30
of
the
time
of
that
30
or
the
responses,
then
what
what's
actually
happening.
Q
So
it's
just
it's
just
not
very
clear,
and
it
feels
that
outside
of
these
hearings
outside
of
worker
sessions
in
the
council,
it
almost
I
guess
Warren
some
level
of
conversation,
a
platform
where
BPD
can
come
together
with
Community
Advocates
and
attorneys,
and
people
doing
the
work
on
the
ground
to
be
able
to
build
a
relationship
every
single
time.
Q
When
there's
an
issue
presented
and
we
show
the
science
and
then
you
show
the
harm
and
then
you
show
your
report
for
the
most
part,
it
does
feel
like
we
don't
get
enough
information
back
from
you,
so
I
would
say
that
where's
the
platform
where
we
come
together
and
actually
talk
about.
You
know
true
reform,
but
most
importantly,
building
relationships
with
the
people
that
have
the
science,
because
it
can't
it
can't
be
this
hard.
Q
It
just
can't
be
this
contentious
and
no
one
is
against
BPD,
in
fact,
I'm
quite
sure,
The
Advocates,
even
the
ones
that
spend
their
volunteer
time
in
all
their
research
and
all
of
their
passion
and
protests.
Even
they
are
interested
in
communicating
with
you
and
building
a
relationship
with
you
and
in
the
last,
in
the
last
hearings
of
every
time.
Bpd
is
around
folks,
there's
so
much
contention
and
at
some
point
as
a
city,
we
have
to
come
together
and
figure
out.
How
does
reform
work?
Then?
Q
If
we
can't
have
a
conversation
with
all
this
backlash
and
shoes,
so
I
I
guess
we
keep
moving
and
we
keep
doing
we'll,
keep
doing
the
work
and
we'll
research.
Whatever
we've
got,
and
hopefully
you
heard
me
today
about.
Q
Just
I
guess
some
of
some
of
the
fact
that
some
of
some
of
us
here
are
representing
and
I
talked
about
this
right.
You
guys
saw
me
yelling
on
YouTube
or
whatever
it
was,
and
I
talked
about
some
of
this,
whereas
counselors
feel
depraved
like
they
have
to
hold
on
to
a
seat
and
so
either
they're
coddling
the
best
interest
of
the
police
department,
big
departments
or
unions
or
developers,
because
somehow
Boston
feel
or
when
you're
a
politician.
Q
I
guess
it
feels
like
there
are
no
other
opportunities
or
Mobility
for
us,
and
so
some
of
us
I
think
are
going
to
read
or
prescribed
a
certain
thing
to
say
or
to
cuddle,
and
it
makes
it
hard
for
us
to
work
together
and
so
when
the
police,
whenever,
whenever
there's
a
reform,
if,
if
I
get
you
one-on-one,
you'll,
say
yeah,
we
need
reform,
but
then
we
get
you
in
the
console.
It
becomes
this
thing
about
us
against
them
and
it's
certain
it's
just
not
true.
That's
not
the
case.
You
know.
Q
There's
harm
and
I
speak
to
the
black
and
brown
police
officers
that
understand
that
there
is
racist
them
in
the
system
and
that
there
needs
to
be
so
much
change
and
yet
that
code
that
you
have
to
go
by
to
hold
on
to
your
livelihood
prevents
you
from
admitting
the
truth.
When
we
come
to
conversations
like
this,
we
have
science,
we
have
research,
we
understand
the
harm,
let's
just
go
with
the
truth
and
figure
it
out,
so
that
people
are
not
dying
or
we're
further
perpetuating
so
much
harm
in
black
and
brown
communities.
A
Thank
you
counselor,
and
thank
you
to
this
panel
Fatima
I'm
on
an
Alex
machus
appreciate
your
time
and
attention
look
forward
to
working
together
again.
Thank.
K
A
Even
very
patient,
this
is
the
public
testimony
portion,
Clifton
and
I
know
whether
we
have
LD
maggins
as
well.
If
you
want
to
queue
up
but
appreciate
your
patience,
oh.
R
Everybody,
my
name
is
Clifton
Braithwaite
I'm,
the
proud
son
of
aldwin
and
Gloria
Gaskill,
Braithwaite
and
I,
see
here
we're
Reinventing
the
wheel,
there's
a
lot
of
new
people
in
office
and
there's
a
lot
of
new
people
in
our
community,
but
I
had
the
fortunate
act
to
be
able
to
walk
step
for
step
with
Rob
casavo.
R
Who
was
the
first
one
to
bring
this
to
light
with
the
Spot
Shot
up
one
thing:
I'm,
not
hearing
it
takes
away
the
the
place
of
an
elderly
person
or
someone
in
the
community
making
the
actual
call
Flynn,
you're
100
right.
We
in
the
community
want
the
Spot
Shot.
One
reason
why,
when
the
shot
goes
off,
it
can
triangulate
the
area
of
someone's
running
from
the
situation
or
driving
away
from
the
situation.
R
It
takes
the
burden
away
from
the
families
in
the
community.
Now.
Is
it
perfect?
No,
but
all
I've
been
hearing
is
the
wrong
and
the
bad
parts
of
what
people
feel
about
spot.
China.
There's
a
lot
of
new
people
in
my
community
that
don't
understand
your
vision
of
Boston
is
not
the
vision
of
bostonians
who've
been
here
from
the
beginning.
Don't
do
that
don't
do
that
that
weren't
here
from
the
beginning
now
we
adopt
anybody
who
comes
to
Boston
Massachusetts,
but
you
got
to
understand
the
depth
of
where
we
came
from.
R
So
all
we're
asking
is:
why
rebuild
something
go
to
the
people
who've
been
embedded
in
this
game?
It's
nothing
wrong
with
going
back
to
Rob
casavo,
asking
him
his
point
of
view,
there's
nothing
wrong
with
going
in
the
community
and
finding
out
I,
don't
know
how
these
three
people
appear
and
I'm,
not
disrespecting
anybody,
but
I,
don't
know
how
they're
speaking
for
a
community
when
I
never
seen
them
I'm
out
here
every
day,
even
sometimes
before
the
Boston
police
gets
a
call
in
crime
and
gang
violence.
R
In
my
neighborhood,
it's
me
my
family,
my
crew,
that
is
out
there
I,
don't
have
to
prove
anything
to
anybody.
My
work
in
my
community
speaks
for
itself,
but
when
are
we
going
to
stop
fighting
just
like
the
council,
there
said
we're
fighting
each
other
all
the
time
and
all
we
have
to
do
our
children.
Our
community
are
looking
for
leadership
to
become
one
and
we
keep
fighting
over
the
same
thing.
R
We
support
you,
but
you
got
to
believe
in
our
vision
and
stop
letting
people
from
outside
interest
groups
come
in
our
community
and
tell
us
who
Boston?
Is
you
don't
know
who
Boston
is
I?
Was
there
when
it
was
force?
Busting
I
was
there
when
at
one
time
me
and
the
police
were
fighting
each
other
because
I
was
young
and
it
was
racism.
Boston
has
gone,
has
come
a
long
way,
people
a
long
way
and
the
reason
why
he
has
gotten
there,
because
we
have
accountability.
R
Most
of
the
police
officers
actually
live
in
our
neighborhood
I
was
different
because
I
went
to
school
with
a
lot
of
them.
You
know
what
I
mean
so
now
Community
wise
we're
building.
We
can
show
the
rest
of
the
world
what
it
is,
but
we
got
to
stop
fighting
each
other.
That's
all
I
have
to
say:
God
bless
the
Commonwealth
of
Massachusetts
and
the
Boston
residents
that
make
things
happen.
My
name
is
Clifton
Braithwaite
and
let's
stand
together
because
as
long
as
we're
divided
we're
going
to
keep
losing.
Thank
you
thank.
A
S
My
name
is
Le
Darrell,
James,
Higgins
I'm,
often
referred
to
as
LD
LD.
Thank
you,
chairman,
Flaherty
and
I
appreciate.
President
Flynn
I
was
born
at
the
hospital
for
women
lying
in
in
1973.
I
will
be
50
years
old
on
June
5th
of
next
year.
There
was
a
time
when
we
were
in
high
school
when
gunshots
put
us
to
sleep
at
night
and
in
class
the
next
morning
we
could
tell
you
which
gun
what
type
of
gun
it
was.
S
Remember
when
it
was
implemented
that
was
so
important
to
people
like
me,
who
would
never
join
a
gang
in
in
a
million
years,
just
the
regular
kids
that
was
so
important
to
find
out
who's,
shooting
people
or
to
help
the
police
have
as
much
tools
or
as
many
tools
as
possible
and
I
want
to
say
unequivocally
right
now
that
I
went
to
Boston
police
to
have
as
many
tools
possible
at
their
disposal
as
long
as
what
they're
doing
is
going
to
be
above
board
and
have
accountability
and
I
want
that
accountability
as
a
citizen
to
stop
here
with
the
council
and
or
with
the
mayor's
office
with
the
the
city
of
Boston.
S
Now
what
you
don't
know
and
I
want
to
extend
my
my
gratitude
to
councilor
Flynn
is
in
2017,
I,
moved
to
Minneapolis
to
start
a
new
life.
If
you
will
and
I
became
a
roommate
with
George
Floyd,
who
was
killed
by
Officer
Derek
Chauvin
I've
had
an
altercation
with
Derek
Chauvin
before
I'm,
saying
that
to
say
this,
that
that
is
the
place
where
the
defund,
the
police
thing
really
became
a
thing
and
but
before
I
had
gotten
to
Minneapolis.
S
I
actually
had
applied
for
the
9-1-1
job
here
and
did
the
the
interview
over
at
the
police
headquarters
and
that's
when
I
learned
when
you
dialed
9-1-1
that
individual
has
to
either
direct
it
to
Hazmat
fire
ambulance
or
whatever
I
realized,
as
a
lay
person
that
9-1-1
doesn't
just
mean
the
police
and
that
you
ought
not
to
be
afraid
to
support
the
police
or
dial
9-1-1,
but
councilor
Flynn,
I
texted
you
and
you
hit
me
back
in
Minneapolis
and
I
was
going
through
a
hard
time.
We
talked
about
your
dad.
S
This
is
where
we're
headed
I
want
the
Boston
police
to
have
as
many
tools
at
their
disposal
as
possible,
but
I
want
what
they
do
to
have
a
buck
where
it
stops
right
here.
I
want
some
accountability
and
I'm
willing
to
speak
when
I
and
I
made
a
post
and
and
I
asked
the
president
to
apologize
to
that
young
Marshall
I
had
a
situation
where
that
the
vice
president's
event,
because
I
get
to
see
the
police
in
their
utter
Glory.
S
A
Thank
you
LD.
Anyone
else
wishing
to
offer
public
testimony
may
do
so
now.
Please,
please
take
your
name
in
any
affiliation
for
the
record
good.
T
Afternoon
my
name
is
Samira
Falcon
Morano
I
work
with
Kade
I'm
policy
council
at
the
history
of
Massachusetts
and
I
want
to
briefly
address
two
issues
about
the
process
of
the
ordinance.
I
have
worked
with
the
cities
of
Somerville
and
Cambridge
in
implementation.
In
those
cities,
the
first
one
is
like
we
have
to
identify
the
differences
between
the
technology
impact
reports
that
are
mentioned
in
the
ordinance
and
the
policies.
These
reports
summarize
the
maintenance
of
the
Technologies
themselves
and
should
be
self-explanatory.
T
The
idea
of
these
reports
is
that
we
can
give
these
reports
to
members
of
the
communities
and
then
they
can
assess
what
the
technology
does
and
what
it
is
used
for,
whereas
the
policies
is
exactly
it's
there
longer
and
they
explain
how
they
are
used
and
the
practices
that
surround
the
policies.
I
am
saying
this
because,
in
the
reports
that
were
submitted
by
the
city,
I
read
them,
I
went
through
them
twice
or
three
times
most
of
the
times.
T
The
reports
just
like
reference
outside
documents-
or
they
say
things
like
this-
is
going
to
be
done
by
complying
with
the
Constitution,
which
is
obvious,
but
we
need
to
know
how
they
cannot
reference
outside
documents.
They
just
have
to
explain
when
they
answer
the
questions.
If,
if
the
question
is
what
are
the
data
practices,
how
they
are
preventing
the
access
by
Third
parties,
for
example,
they
cannot
say
we
are
going
to
comply
with
the
policy,
they
will
have
to
explain
in
the
reports.
T
U
All
right
so
I'm
here
to
talk
about
brick,
can
y'all
hear
me.
You
got
your
all
right,
then
so
I'm
here
to
talk
about
break
I,
actually
have
a
prick
report
on
me.
Brick
has
affected
my
life.
Very,
it's
been
very
bad
for
me.
I've
I've
been
kicked
out
of
places
because
I've
had
task
force.
Tell
the
people
that
I
was
living
with
that
I
was
a
dangerous
person.
U
I've
had
charges
that
have
been
dropped
against
me
put
on
public
like
it's
been
in
the
police
officers
like
in
their
mailbox.
It's
come
and
it
has
my
picture
on
it
all
these
charges
that
have
been
dropped
on
me
very
inflammatory
things
talk
about
like
how
I
I
made
threats,
and
it's
like.
Okay,
so
I
know
the
law.
If
I
actually
made
a
threat
you
with
the
rest
of
them
and
that
that
would
be,
you
know
me
in
jail.
U
So
when
it
comes
down
to,
you
may
disagree
with
what
I
said,
because
you
don't
agree
that
it's
okay
for
me
to
say
that
it's
not
okay,
for
you
to
do
certain
things
that
you're
not
supposed
to
be
doing
I
mean
I.
I
got
to
break
that
down.
So
if
I
say
that
there's
a
problem
with
your
behavior-
and
you
don't
like
that,
but
you
have
the
authority
to
just
lock
me
up
in
and
say
I
assault
you
after
you've
assaulted
me,
that's
the
problem.
U
Let's
call
things
with
this
I
I'm
I'm
very
ashamed
that
we
have
people
who
are
willing
to
get
up
there,
knowing
our
history
with
the
police
department-
and
it's
like
y'all
are
willing
to
be
willing
tokens
and
come
up
here
and
say
whatever
whatever
to
sit
here
and
justify
this
stuff
that
has
affected
me
since
I've,
been
a
teenager
like
even
before
that,
because
my
first
interaction
with
police
was
not
a
positive
one.
We
are
not
changing
this
situation,
it's
getting
worse,
it's
getting
worse
and
the
only
problem.
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The
thing
is
now
that
it
just
more
people
would
look
like
me,
as
the
ones
are
able
to
abuse
me
too
I
mean
hey,
let's
call
it
what
it
is:
I'm
seeing
less
and
less
people
who
actually
look
like
me
in
my
community.
This
whole
thing
about
community
policing
and
all
this
stuff,
like
that
I
mean
I,
got
a
call
BS
on
that.
U
U
They
have
biases
implicit
biases
that
are,
you
know
it's
been
in
their
head
since
day
or
child
and
it's
kind
of
hard
to
let
go
of
I
can't
tell
you
how
many
times
I've
had
instances
just
the
other
day,
I
got
pulled
over
by
the
police.
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Don't
because
this
thing
this
publication
has
went
out
there
with
all
these
charges
that
have
been
dismissed
on
me
to
their
homes,
telling
them
to
look
out
for
me,
because
I
am
a
dangerous
person,
I'm
active
in
my
community
trying
to
do
the
positive
things
and
you're
sitting
there
telling
people
that
oh
I'm,
just
somebody
to
look
out
for
if
it
was
that
serious,
it
makes
no
sense
whatsoever.
I've
been
denied
employment
because
of
this
I've
had
other
people
harassed.
Because
of
this,
because
I
mean
they
they
associate
with
me
and
they're
Loyola.
U
U
It's
because
we've
been
abused
by
that
I've
been
wrongfully
convicted
on
things
come
on
now.
Let's,
let's,
let's
talk
about
the
real
issues
and
I
am
tired.
I
am
so
tired
of
you
sycophants,
but
you
were.
You
were
just
like.
You
know,
some
of
the
stuff
that
you've
been
through
even
with
our
family
members
that
was
told
that
they
they
should
get
used
to
being
called
racial
slurs
and
not
to
react
to
them
because
that's
their
job.
U
U
Big
problems,
we're
not
letting
up
on
this
I,
don't
know
if
my
time
is
up
or
not,
but
I'll
tell
you
this.
You
will
be
seeing
more
of
me
telling
you
that
this
is
not.
This
is
not
a
positive
thing
right
because,
like
I've
been
negatively
negatively
affected
by
this
brick
report
thing
that
I
made
public
I
mean
you,
you
could
go
and
look
at
it
as
all
these
charges
on
the
dad
don't
even
exist.
They
said
that
they
have
no
merit,
I
mean
it
happens.
It
happens
because
wrongfully
accused
equals
guilty.
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A
A
Everyone
for
your
time
and
attention,
obviously,
the
administration,
our
Advocates
public,
testimony
from
via
Zoom,
as
well
as
in-person
testimony,
and
also
to
my
colleagues
for
the
thoughtful
comments
and
questions
and
with
respect
to
Doc
at
0921
the
surveillance
policies
of
the
Boston
Police
Department,
Boston
parks,
department,
Park,
Rangers,
Boston,
Public,
Schools,
Boston,
Public,
Health,
commission,
Boston,
Housing,
Authority,
Boston,
Municipal
protection
services
and
the
office
of
emergency
management.
This
meeting
of
the
Committee
on
Public,
Safety
and
criminal
justice
is
adjourned.
Thank
you.