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Docket #0143 - Hearing regarding the Boston Police Department’s gang database
A
A
I'm
going
to
adjust
my
screen,
and
hopefully
this
won't
be
blind.
So
you
guys
can
all
see
me.
I'm
the
chair
of
the
committee
on
the
boston
city
council's
committee
on
public
safety
and
criminal
justice,
I'm
joined
by
my
council
colleagues,
in
order
of
their
arrival,
councilor
sabi
george
councillor
flynn,
councillor
bach,
councillor
mejia,
I'm
sorry,
counselor,
sabi,
george
councillor
flynn,
councillor
bach,
councillor,
baker,
councillor
mejia
and
council
arroyo.
Who
is
my
co-sponsor
on
this
and
if
I
have
other
colleagues
join,
I
will
acknowledge
them
as
they
arrive.
A
This
hearing
is
a
public
hearing,
that's
being
recorded,
it's
being
live
streamed
at
boston.gov
city,
council,
tv
and
broadcast
on
infinity,
channel,
8,
rcn,
channel
82
in
files,
channel,
1964
or
964..
We
will
take
public
testimony
at
the
end
of
this
hearing.
So
folks
wish
to
testify
one
via
video
conference.
They
can
email
shane.pacpac
at
boston.gov
to
sign
up.
A
If
other
folks
want
to
submit
written
testimony,
they
can
do
that
at
ccc.ps
boston.gov
for
public
testimony.
I
ask
that
you
state
your
name
and
affiliation
and
limit
your
comments
to
two
minutes.
Today's
hearing
is
on
docket
number
0143
order
for
a
hearing
regarding
the
boston
police
department's
gang
database.
We
will
have
two
panels.
The
first
will
be
of
community
based
organizational
leaders.
A
The
second
would
be
administration
in
the
police
department,
and
when
we
get
to
that
stage,
I
will
of
course
announce
all
panelists
and
make
sure
that
every
council
colleague
has
a
copy
of
who
those
folks
are.
I
want
to
thank
council
arroyo
for
your
continued
partnership
on
this
particular
issue,
as
well
as
some
other
issues
for
years.
Residents
and
advocates
have
been
raising
serious
concerns
about
the
boston
police
department's
gang
database,
which
is
maintained
by
the
brick
and
the
harm
it
has
caused
in
largely
black
brown
and
immigrant
communities
in
the
city
of
boston.
A
Today,
we'll
focus
on
three
main
areas:
transparency,
most
bostonians,
don't
know
anything
about
this
database.
They
don't
know
that
it
exists,
even
though,
even
though
there
are
over
5
000
people
who
are
listed,
we
definitely
need
greater
transparency
around
how
a
person
is
added
or
removed
the
ability
to
request
personal
information
from
the
brick
in
terms
of
whether
or
not
you
may
be
on
the
gang
database
and
the
information
that
is
shared
with
other
law
enforcement
agencies
out
of
the
gang
database.
A
The
second
topic
is
around
accountability.
It
is
critically
important
that
the
city
have
systems
in
place
to
actually
ensure
justice
and
accountability.
If
and
when
someone
is
wrongfully
targeted,
stopped
arrested
or,
in
some
cases
deported
as
a
result
of
being
wrongfully
listed
on
the
database.
The
last
area
of
discussion
will
be
the
racial
disparities.
There
are
profound
racial
disparities
in
policing
in
the
city
of
boston.
A
We
not
only
know
it
from
the
fio
data
that
was
recently
released
last
year,
but
we
also
know
it
from
the
information
related
to
the
gang
database
and,
sadly,
the
disparities
in
our
fio
data
are
not
as
exacerbated
as
those
in
our
gang
database.
Although
boston's
population
is
roughly
25
percent
black
in
20,
latino
and
latinx,
over
90
percent
of
the
individuals
listed
in
the
police
department's
gang
database
are
black
or
latino
latinx.
A
One
judge
dissented
in
that,
and
he
said
diaz
was
denied
relief
from
removal
based
on
quintessential
teenage
behavior
hanging
out
with
friends
who,
unsurprisingly,
were
all
young
hispanic
men.
The
record
lacks
any
evidence
that
those
social
encounters
were
linked
to
criminal
activity.
That
would
have
been
a
proper
basis
for
recording
them
in
any
explanation
by
the
government
as
to
why
this
why
the
point
system
is
nevertheless
a
reliable
means
of
determining
gang
membership.
In
quote
this
was
a
recent
case
that
really
spoke
to
some
of
the
troubling
concerns
with
respect
to
the
gang
database.
A
There
was
also,
of
course,
recent
information
that
we
all
learned
about
about
an
undocumented
student
at
east
boston,
high
school,
who
was
deported
after
a
boston
school
police
incident
report
alleged
that
he
was
a
gang
associate
associate
even
though
he
had
no
criminal
history.
He
was
on
track
to
get
his
green
card.
He
was
held
in
immigration
detention
for
over
a
year
before
he
was
deported
to
el
salvador.
A
We've
had
a
couple
of
letters
that
the
committee
has
received
from
community
organizations
emphasizing
how
this
database
can
be
useful
in
their
violence
prevention
efforts,
and
I
want
to
thank
everyone.
Who's
already
submitted
letters
of
support
of
this
database
or
other
written
testimony,
but
one
thing
I
do
want
to
stress
is
that
every
letter
that
spoke
about
the
the
value
of
the
gang
database
and
their
prevention
efforts,
all
of
them
all
of
them,
agree
that
racial
disparities
do
exist
and
must
be
addressed,
including
through
greater
accountability
and
transparency
with
the
database.
A
We
must,
of
course,
make
sure
that
there
are
tools
and
strategies
in
place
that
we
have
a
system
to
not
only,
of
course,
solve
crime
in
incidents
of
violence,
but
to
make
sure
that
we
are
actually
effectively
breaking
cycles
of
violence,
trauma
incarceration
and
not
perpetuating
them,
and
if
we
want
to
be
successful,
we
are
going
to
have
to
reevaluate
our
tools
and
develop
new
ones.
I
absolutely
look
forward
to
this
hearing
in
this
conversation
with
all
of
you,
I
will
say
I
want
to
thank
the
advocates,
of
course.
A
For
being
a
part
of
this
conversation,
I
will
adjust
my
blinds
in
a
minute,
so
you
can
probably
see
me
better,
but
I
also
want
to
thank
everyone
for
being
at
the
table.
This
is
not
an
easy
conversation
to
have,
but
it
is
a
necessary
one.
So
thank
you.
I'm
going
to
turn
it
over
to
counselor
arroyo
for
remarks.
B
B
That
is
comprised
with
no
checks
or
balance
in
how
you
get
into
the
system.
It's
it's
based
on
observations,
fios
field,
interrogations,
observations
which
are
also
known
as
stop,
and
frisk
and
fios
for
for
the
record
in
commonwealth,
be
warned.
It
was
made
very
clear
based
on
data
as
to
how
blacks
and
latinos
are
stopped
disproportionately,
and
I'm
gonna
quote
directly
from
commonwealth
warren
that,
rather
than
finding
that
black
males
in
boston
are
disproportionately
repeatedly
targeted
for
fio,
and
this
whole
folks
know.
B
Commonwealth
was
a
supreme
judicial
court
case
in
massachusetts.
Encounters
suggest
a
reason
for
flight
totally
unrelated
to
consciousness
of
guilt.
Such
an
individual
when
approached
by
the
police
might
just
as
easily
be
motivated
by
the
desire
to
avoid
the
recurring
indignity
of
being
racially
profiled
as
by
the
desire
to
hide
criminal
activity.
B
B
I
know
there
was
some
work
to
pare
that
down,
but
what
we
know
about
gang
databases
nationally
is
that
in
portland,
they've
removed
it
in
chicago
there's
been
known
instances
of
folks
on
that
game
database
that
don't
belong
on
that
game
database
in
la
and
san
francisco
and
new
york.
And
so
what
we're?
B
What
we're
talking
about
is
in
every
case
nationally
that
they've
looked
at
gang
databases,
there's
people
on
them
that
don't
belong
on
them
and
so
either
we're
going
to
say
that
in
boston,
we're
the
exception
and
that
somehow
we
have
a
gang
database
that
is
accurate
to
the
t
or
we're
going
to
say
that
the
gang
database,
as
it's
currently
comprised,
has
folks
on
it
that
don't
belong
on
it.
That
are
at
risk
for
things
as
serious
as
deportation
from
this
country.
B
Because
I
sit
at
the
same
lunch
table
where
I
take
the
same
bus
or
I
play
at
the
basketball
park
at
the
park
in
the
basketball
court
with
my
friends,
and
so
now
I'm
a
gang
member
gang
associate,
and
so
I
think
we
have
to
really
analyze
whether
or
not
whatever
you
know
positives
we're
attributing
to
the
gang
database,
whatever
those
might
be
which
it
sounds
like
is
it's
helpful
for
classification
of
individuals?
I
guess,
if
we're
looking
at
that
as
a
positive?
What's
the?
What
are
the
negatives
and
the
negatives?
B
You
can
find
yourself
deported
on
the
basis
of
these
reports,
and
so
I
think
that
seriousness
really
really
to
me
negates
the
positives,
whatever
they
may
be
to
this
gang
database,
and
I
look
forward
to
asking
some
very
pointed
questions
about
how
this
operates
and
how
we
get
folks
off
of
it
and
how
we
get
folks
on
it,
and
I
would
just
say
that
you
know
for
me
personally:
I'm
I'm
for
the
abolition
of
it.
I
don't
see
its
purpose.
I
don't
see
how
it's
helpful.
B
I
I
hear
from
other
folks
that
it's
okay
to
look
at
it
in
the
context,
even
with
the
racial
profiling
and
the
systemic
issues
that
it
creates,
and
so
I
would
say
that
that
just
doesn't
ring
true
to
me,
and
I
don't
I
don't
agree
with
it
and
so
moving
forward.
I
look
forward
to
having
a
conversation
today
with
both
folks
that
are
impacted
by
it
and
folks
who
serve
communities
that
are
impacted
by
as
well
as
brick
and
bpd.
A
Thank
you,
council
arroyo
and
for
the
sake
of
time,
what
I'm
going
to
do
is
I'm
going
to
go
straight
to
the
panel,
but
I
do
want
to
acknowledge.
We've
been
joined
by
not
just
counselor
mejia,
council
flaherty
and
councillor
wu,
I'm
going
to
go
to
the
panelists
and
panel
one
because
we
have
a
hard
stop
at
3
30.
So
I
want
to
make
sure
we
hear
from
all
of
you
and
then
I'll
go
back
to
my
council
colleagues.
A
So
if
they
want
to
say
a
couple
of
opening
remarks
and
then
ask
their
questions,
we'll
do
we'll
give
them
of
course,
enough
time
to
do
that.
So,
first
in
panel,
one
we
are
joined
by
fatima
ahmad
who's
from
the
muslim
justice
league
rason
hall
from
the
aclu,
and
is
it
elizabeth
and
emily
who
are
joining
us
from
the
justice
center?
Just
want
to
be
clear
or
just
you,
elizabeth.
A
Okay
and
elizabeth
badger
of
the
justice
center
of
southeast
massachusetts,
so
what
I
will
do
is
I
will
give
you
each
about
maybe
five
minutes
for
some
opening
remarks
and
then
I
will
go
to
council
colleagues
for
questions
or
comments
and
then
go
to
the
administration
as
well.
So
thank
you.
Everyone
for
joining!
Madam.
D
A
E
Hello,
thank
you
counselors,
campbell
and
arroyo
for
hosting
this
conversation.
I
know
so
many
of
us
are
looking
forward
to
trying
to
have
this
conversation
again.
I
know
we
have
attempted
in
the
past.
I
am
fatima
executive
director
at
muslim
justice
league
and
also
involved
in
the
you
know,
defund
campaign
that
that
many
folks
witnessed
last
year
where
a
lot
of
these
issues
were
were
highlighted.
E
I
also
want
to
shout
out
counselor
campbell
your
staff
person
ellie,
who
has
just
done
a
fantastic
job
so
much.
She
was
so
right
about
that.
She
yeah
has
really
wrangled
all
of
these
hearings
and
conversations
about
brick
and
the
gang
database
so
really
appreciate.
Ellie's
work
on
this,
and,
while
I
am
somebody
who
is,
you
know,
impacted
by
policing
and
surveillance
in
certain
ways,
I'm
someone
who's,
probably
not
in
the
gang
database.
It
is
majority.
E
You
know
black
and
brown
men
who
are
in
it,
and
so
I
really
actually
want
to
start
today
with
showing
an
example
of
what
it
might
look
like.
If
you
were
on
the
gang
database.
I
will
be
clear.
We
don't
know
if
this
person
is
in
the
gang
database,
because
we
don't
know
who's
in
the
gang
database.
There
is
no
transparency,
there's
no
way
for
this
person
to
have.
E
I
also
want
to
share
this
incident
because
I
know
that
the
database
has
gotten
a
lot
of
attention
from
folks
who
are
concerned
about
deportations
and
deportations,
and
incarceration
are
the
worst
case
scenarios
that
happen,
but
there
are
plenty
of
folks
in
the
database
who
are
not
immigrants
or
not
undocumented
folks,
who
are
impacted
just
day-to-day
who
can't
you
know,
walk
down
the
street
without
getting
harassed
in
this
way,
and
this
really
impedes
people's.
You
know
day-to-day
lives,
they
might
be
concerned
even
about
accessing.
E
You
know
social
services
like
health
care
because
of
how
this
can
impact
just
you
walking
down
the
street,
so
this
video
might
make
folks
uncomfortable
there
might
be
a
little
bit
of
language
in
it.
I
don't
exactly
remember
the
words
used
in
it,
but
I
think
a
lot
of
people
have
already
seen
this
a
couple
of
years
ago.
So
I'm
going
to
share
this
video
and
then
I'll
talk
a
little
bit
more
about
these
issues
of
transparency
and.
G
F
G
G
B
G
F
G
F
E
These
things
are
intricately
tied
together
and
again,
while
we
don't
know
in
this
situation,
if
on
this
on
officer,
cross
and
screen
inside
the
car,
if
he
was
actually
looking
at
the
gang
database
and
saying
oh,
this
person
is
someone
I
can
stop
because
they're
on
the
database,
we
don't
know
right.
We
have
no
idea
how
any
of
that
functions,
because
we
don't
have
that
transparency,
but
we
do
know
that
this
was
a
gang
unit
officer
and
for
folks
who
might
be
surprised
that
they're
not
in
a
police
uniform.
E
I
think
that
is
something
that
you
know
if
you
live
in
dorchester,
like
I
do
in
councillor
campbell's
district,
where
this
happened.
You
know
that
a
lot
of
these
police
officers
get
to
you
know
sit
in
a
car
like
that
right,
not
in
uniform
and
jump
out
and
harass
harass
someone
who
is
just
going
to
the
barber
shop.
This
is
a
day-to-day
occurrence
for
folks.
E
So
what
I
want
to
be
clear
about
is
at
worst
we
are
seeing
people
being
deported
or
incarcerated
and
at
best
we
are
seeing
folks
get
harassed
day
to
day,
because
what
exists
is
essentially
a
registry
of
black
and
brown
people
who
don't
know
that
they
are
on
this
registry
and
are
allowed
to.
You
know
be
harassed
by
by
officers,
and
I
think,
as
her
son
and
elizabeth
will
we'll
talk
about
a
bit
too
like
this-
can
actually
impact
other
areas
of
of
somebody's
life
without
them.
E
E
We
we
couldn't
tell
him
here
is
how
you
find
out,
if
you're
on
the
database,
here's
how
you
get
off
of
it.
Here's
how
it's
going
to
impact
your
life
or
why
this
is
even
happening
to
you
as
much
as
I
want
those
answers.
I
also
want
to
be
clear
that
you
know
our
organization
and
actually
pretty
much
all
of
the
other
organizations
we
work
with
on
this
issue
want
an
end
to
the
database.
E
There
is
no
version
of
this
that
is
transparent
or
reformed
in
a
way
that
addresses
the
racial
disparity,
and
these
databases
don't
actually
reduce
or
address
violence.
What
they
do
is
replicate-
and
just
you
know,
perpetuate
this
cycle
of
violence
right
when
we
live
in
a
city
that
has
huge
huge
disparities
in
wealth
between
black
and
white
families
in
health
care.
E
In
so
many
things
that
our
basic
needs
that
folks,
that
folks
should
have
access
to
that's
where
we
have
to
start,
and
we
know
that
those
things
do
actually
address
violence
and
that
databases
like
this
and
policing
people
and
harassing
them
on
on
the
way
to
the
barber
shop
that
doesn't
do
it.
It
hasn't
solved
it
right,
like
we
already
know
that
that
hasn't
been
working
and
we've
seen
other
cities
already
shut
down
their
databases.
E
We
as
a
city
should
not
wait
until
the
city
gets
sued
by
someone
who
has
one
of
these
worst
case
scenarios
and
then
have
to
shut
down
the
database.
We
need
to
actually
address
it
now
and
make
sure
that
we
are
thinking
about.
You
know
how
do
we
address
people's
basic
needs,
and
you
know
the
violence
of
inequity
that
that
so
many
of
us
face
in
the
city.
A
K
K
K
Been
resolved,
we
are
along
with
several
other
organizations,
deeply
concerned
about,
as
fatima
mentioned,
the
contents
of
that
database,
who
is
in
it
how
people
information
is
maintained
in
it?
What
type
of
audits
are
conducted?
What
is
the
efficacy
underlying
the
rubric
that
is
used
to
determine
who
is
put
in
to
the
database,
who
is
removed
from
the
database,
the
accuracy
or
lack
of
accuracy
therein?
K
You
know
it's
in
in
spirit
intended
to
address
the
problem
of
gang
violence,
but
we
have
to
realize
that
in
boston,
gang
violence
is
not
comparable
to
what
we
see
in
other
cities,
like
los
angeles
or
chicago
or
new
york.
Even
there
are
from
our
understanding
approximately
160,
documented
gangs
in
boston,
whereas
the
city
of
chicago
that
is
substantially
larger,
has
substantially
higher
rates
of
violence
attributed
to
gang.
K
The
population
is
four
times
that
of
of
boston,
has
only
55
gangs,
so
that
in
and
of
itself
raises
a
serious
question
about
what
is
qualifying
people
to
be
considered
a
gang
when,
in
fact,
a
lot
of
young
people
are
associated
with
a
a
group
of
friends
from
their
neighborhood,
sometimes
even
family
members,
and
so
the
data
statistics
have
already
been
laid
out
about
the
number
and
the
deep
racial
disparities
that
are
in
there.
Half
of
the
people
in
there
are
are
classified
as
active
game
members.
K
We
specifically
asked
for
any
documents
related
to
the
efficacy
of
the
database,
essentially
show
your
work
show
that
the
criteria
that
has
been
established
have
some
sort
of
basis
in
research
or
empirical
data.
That
suggests
certain
indicators
or
criteria
are
have
a
true
bearing
to
someone's
involvement
in
a
game.
There's
nothing
that
controls
for
people
ageing
out
of
so-called
gang
activity
or
criminal
activity.
There,
then
there's
ample
research
and
studies
that
show
at
a
certain
period
or
a
certain
age.
People
are
inclined
to
age
out.
K
That's
as
far
as
we
know
is
not
contemplated
in
any
of
the
rubric
or
metrics
for
this
gang
database.
How
there
there's
no
evidence
of
the
effectiveness
of
preventing
shootings
or
violence,
we're
we're
told
to
trust
it
because
police
say
it
makes
a
difference,
but
but
where's
the
proof.
Are
we
just
going
to
go
by
the
number
of
gun
arrests
that
are
made
in
the
city
of
boston?
K
How
many
homicides
have
been
cleared
because
of
informations
contained
in
the
game
database
and
to
the
to
the
extent
that
the
department
can
point
to
a
certain
number
of
homicides
that
have
been
cleared
because
of
information
from
the
gang
database?
What
percentage
of
the
overall
homicides
that
have
happened
in
the
city
have
been
cleared
attributed
to
the
gang
database?
Does
it
make
up
fifty
percent
twenty
five
percent?
Five
percent
point:
five
percent.
We
have
no
idea.
K
I
distinctly
remember
when
I
worked
as
an
assistant
district
attorney
for
suffolk
county
sitting
in
brick,
meetings
with
other,
and
I
think
I
heard
the
timer
with
with
other
law
enforcement
officials
having
open
debates
about
what
affiliation
someone
has
or
strategizing
about
how
to
get
people's
parents
removed
from
public
housing,
because
the
the
young
person
in
their
life
is
a
part
of
a
game
this
this
database,
it
compromises.
First,
amendment
rights,
freedom
of
association,
there's
no
evidence
of
how
people
have
been
stopped
and
surveilled
based
on
their
inclusion.
K
In
these
databases,
there's
there's
evidence
on
how
many
people
have
been
denied
legal
firearm
identification
cards
because
of
inclusion
in
a
gang
database
once
they
have
moved
on
and
gotten
their
lives
together.
Do
we
know
how
many
individuals
information
has
been
referred
to
federal
agencies
because
of
a
family
member
who
lives
in
there
and
to
the
concern
and
I'll
end
here
about
reducing
violence
without
police?
There's,
a
research
report
that
just
came
out
of
john
jay
college
that
looks
at
non-police
alternatives,
and
then
it
puts
an
emphasis
on
community-based
engagement.
K
Investment
in
youth,
addressing
financial
distress,
dealing
with
physical
environment
and
place
to
deal
with
these
other
municipalities
have
gone
through
a
rigorous
redefining
of
their
criteria
for
the
gang
database
and
so
short
of
abolishing
the
database
here
in
boston.
At
the
very
least,
we
need
to
make
more
rigorous
standards
about
who's,
getting
included
the
auditing
process
and
the
purging
of
individuals
that
no
longer
need
to
be
in
there.
So
thank
you
for
your
time
and
I
look
forward
to
the
continued
conversation
and
work.
A
C
Campbell
yeah,
my
name's
elizabeth
badr,
I'm
an
immigration
attorney.
I've
been
working
in
the
immigrant
community
in
the
greater
boston
area
for
about
15
years
and
for
much
of
the
last
several
years
I've
tended
to
represent
primarily
young
people
with
complex
needs,
so
trauma
poor
family
support
and
I
work
with
community
providers
that
help
a
young
person.
You
know
not
just
overcome
immigration
obstacles
but
other
you
know,
obstacles
to
their
stability.
So
you
know
through
that
lens.
C
I
work
with
community
providers
who
work
with
high-risk
individuals
like
my
clients,
and
none
of
them
rely
on
database
information.
They
rely
on
information,
they
gain
from
having
relationships
with
the
community
that
they
serve,
and
if
police
recognize
that
an
individual
needs
intervention,
they
can
make
a
direct
referral
to
a
provider.
They
do
all
the
time
they
don't
need
a
database
to
do
that.
C
In
the
period
of
september,
1st
2014
to
february
3rd
2020,
in
which
the
city
identified
approximately
8
000
pages
of
communications
that
had
transpired,
that
included
bps
student
data
and
to
the
violence
prevention
point,
as
well
as
an
allegations
that
have
been
made
in
previous
hearings
that
those
with
profiles
are
afforded
resources.
I
will
say
that
you
know
not
once
in
any
of
those
thousands
of
pages.
C
Is
there
a
discussion
about
providing
resources
to
an
individual
who's
appearing
in
the
brick,
and
that
includes
the
victims
as
well,
who
the
records
demonstrate
are
criminalized
in
the
brick
once
they've
been
victimized
other
observations
from
reviewing
those
documents,
and
I
want
to
emphasize
fatima's
point
that
you
know
my
examples
may
come
from
the
immigrant
community.
That's
that's
my
work,
but
they
are
examples
of
a
larger
problem
affecting
the
brown
and
black
community,
regardless
of
their
documentation
status.
C
The
typical
request
for
information
is
more
along
the
lines
of
this
email
that
I'll
quote
from
ice
to
the
brick.
Can
you
send
me
everything
you
have
on?
You
know
redacted
individual.
I
believe
he
attends
east
boston
high.
The
brick
responds.
I
have
no
bpd
reports
just
info
from
gabe,
referring
to
student
information
that
safety
services
officer,
gabriel
rosa
has
provided
to
brick,
and
so
the
like
that
frequency
that
brick
and
bpd
respond
to
isis
fishing
you
know
would
rightfully
cause
has
caused
the
immigrant
community
to
see
bpd
as
a
threat.
C
I
think
it's
important
to
look
at
that
brick
data
in
the
context
that
you
know
on
the
criminal
justice
side.
My
understanding
not
practicing
very
often
in
that
area
is
that
brick
is
not
regularly
using
the
brick.
Information
is
not
used
as
evidence,
at
least
in
the
court.
That's
not
to
say
it
doesn't
harm
people
in
in
other
areas,
but
in
a
2018
murder
trial.
C
In
one
communication,
for
example,
ice
email,
safety
services
and
brick,
analysts
saying
if
they
recognize
a
certain
individual
and
the
safety
services
officer
says
you
know,
I
know
who
he
is.
We
don't
have
anything
on
him
yet
still
watching
him
and
it's
my
clients,
experiences
that
demonstrate
that
the
message
here
that
the
brick
and
its
affiliates
will
will
send
ice
and
each
other
you
know
any
dirt.
C
A
C
Point
out
two
two
briefly
points:
the
breadth
of
the
information
sharing
demonstrated
by
the
records
with
the
brick
in
between
affiliates
is
seriously
disturbing.
There's
information
about
many
k-8
children,
monitoring
of
students
involved
in
political,
organizing,
including
black
lives
matter,
protests
protest
against
school
budget
cuts.
C
There
are
elevating
of
young
black
and
brown
students
for
absurd
things,
like
a
party
and,
as
I
mentioned
repeat
criminalization
of
victims,
and
the
information
is
disseminated
to
like
huge
distribution
lists
that
include
like
judiciary,
schools,
police
of
various
cities
and
there's
never
notice
or
consent
of
the
families
of
the
students.
And
the
last
point
really
briefly,
I
want
to
contextualize.
C
I
just
this
example
really
pointed
out:
there
was
a
2018
communication
that
you
know
didn't
involved
in
any
sros.
Any
safety
services
officers
ice
asks
for
any
information
they
have
about.
Someone
and
brick
analysts
respond
to
ice
with
a
2005
school
report,
so
13
years
prior
about
a
verbal
disagreement
in
school
that
brick
had
maintained
in
its
system,
so
bps
school
information
contained
in
the
brick.
A
Thank
you,
elizabeth
and
I'm
going
to
go
to
my
council
colleagues,
but
just
before
I
do.
I
just
want
to
thank
you
guys
for
joining
the
panel.
We
were
trying
to
be
mindful
of
time
and
framing
you
know.
We
had
in
one
meeting
nine
organizations
separate
organizations
that
have
a
whole
host
of
clients
that
had
similar
examples
of
things
that
were
troubling
to
them,
based
on
their
client
work.
This
is
just
a
snapshot
of
that,
given
the
time
constraints
for
this
particular
hearing.
So
I
just
wanted
to
flag
that.
Thank
you
guys.
A
L
L
E
Yeah,
I
can
just
say
no
like
there
there.
There
are
no
lists
that
are
going
to
address
the
racial
disparities,
because
they
are
so
fundamental
to
policing
that
every
list
ends
up
doing
that.
So,
like
the
gang
database
looks,
you
know
it
functions
very
similarly
to
say
like
terrorist
watchlists,
where
you
have
muslim
children
and
all
sorts
of
muslim
folks
on
it
who
have
no
idea
how
they
got
on
it
have
no
way
of
getting
off
of
it
and
a
lot
of
these
things
just
function
in
in
secrecy.
E
I
think
I
remember
around
the
time
of
the
muslim
ban.
A
lot
of
folks
were
saying:
if
there's
a
registry
of
muslims
created
I'll
sign
up
so
that
you
know
we
can
like
protect
our
muslim
neighbors.
But
the
reality
is
these.
These
lists
already
exist
and
they
already
impact
people's
daily
lives
and
our
city
is
not
reducing
violence,
because,
because
of
any
of
that,
like
we
know.
L
E
E
M
E
E
C
L
Is
there
anything
through?
I,
I
thought
I
recalled
through
some
of
the
conversations
we
had.
You
know
amongst
government
officials,
elected
officials
that
there
was
there
was
a
list
that
was
maybe
being
compiled
by
the
district
attorney's
office.
That
was,
I
think,
was
maybe
trying
to
improve
some
of
the
practices
of
the
gang
database.
C
I'm
not
sure,
but
on
the
flip
side
I'll,
you
know
I'll
reiterate
that
you
know
when
community
programs
work
with
a
cl
the
community
and
their
client
base.
You
know
their
information
is
what
supports
violence
prevention.
They
don't
need
to
share
that
with
law
enforcement,
and
that
is
what
the
evidence
proves
is
most
effective.
L
I
I
K
I
think
that's
just
the
problem
is:
there
is
a
complete
lack
of
transparency
around
what
type
of
process
there
even
is
or
whether
or
not
a
person
can
find
out
if
they
are
included
in
the
game
database.
So
there
you
know,
ideally
it
would.
There
would
be
some
sort
of
process
where
you
can
check
and
see
you
are
listed
in
the
gang
database.
Here
is
how
you
appeal
your
presence
in
this
data.
Nothing
like
that
exists.
As
far
as
we
know,.
A
I
K
Sure
you
know
from
my
own
experience
as
a
prosecutor,
the
decision
as
to
whether
or
not
to
present
a
case
to
the
grand
jury
for
something
that
may
seem
like
a
low-level
offense.
I
remember
we
did
an
operation
where
we
indicted
people
not
charged
complaints
in
district
court,
but
filed
indictments
in
superior
court
for
marijuana
distributions,
because
we
had
gang
intel
that
folks
were
involved
in
gangs
and
then
later
after
we
executed
the
the
the
program
or
executed
the
warrants
from
that
operation.
K
K
You
know
that's
my
belief,
based
on
the
the
group
of
officers
that
I
was
working
with,
but
but
it
it
wasn't
introduced
at
trial,
saying
this
individual
was
in
the
game
database.
But
the
decision
to
indict
someone
and
maybe
and
bring
a
case
before
the
superior
court
was
largely
informed
by
a
belief
of
alleged
king
affiliation.
E
Rason,
can
you
share?
Is
that
an
official
policy
that
you
all
were
going
by
to
that
that
you
know
pushes
prosecutors
to
to
do
that
through
the
da's
office,
because
we've
we've
heard
similar
concerns,
but
we
haven't
been
able
to
find
like
here
is
how
folks
know
that
this
is.
This
is
what
they're
supposed
to
do.
Yeah.
K
That's
that's!
That's
not
a
written
policy,
that's
just
the
practice
of
the
office.
How
are
we
going
to
get
our
hooks
into
people
even
if
it's
for
a
small
case,
if
we
charge
them
with
something
we'll
get
them
on
probation
they'll
be
bound
to
screw
up
on
probation?
And
we
can,
you
know,
have
probation
officers
go
into
their
home
so
but
there's
no
written
policy
about
about
that,
at
least
not
when
I
was
in
the
office.
I
I
J
J
I
just
think
that
that
criminalizing
criminalizes
being
from
a
neighborhood
too
easily
and-
and
I
don't
think
that's
something
that
we
would
be
like
that
we
should
ever
be
comfortable
with.
I
think
it's
something
that
would
have
ensnared
a
heck
of
a
lot
more
like
you
know,
italian-american
and
irish-american
kids
in
the
boston
of
50
years
ago,
in
the
criminal
justice
system,
and
I
think
it's
doing
that
now
to
our
black
and
brown
youth
and
that
we
need
to
back
way
off
of
that.
J
So
that's
important
to
me,
and
I
know
that
the
when
we
talk
to
the
department
in
the
fall,
they
were
saying
that
they
were
sort
of
working
on
internal
norms
to
kind
of
make
it
so
that
people
couldn't
be
in
the
database
purely
on
fios
sort
of
in
response.
To
that
case,
I
think
my
what
I
would
say
back
to
that
is
like
it
needs
to
not
just
be
informal
policy.
J
The
the
question
about
having
a
database
like
this
has
to
start
with
the
presumption
that
we
shouldn't
have
it
because
of
the
way
that
it
that
it
makes
you
know,
folks
in
our
community,
feel
surveilled
the
way
that
it
turns
people
from
kind
of
the
residents
who
are
being
served
by
the
police
to
being
the
like
suspects
sort
of
automatically.
I
think
the
whole
orientation
to
the
department
gets
shifted
for
people
who
have
their
name
on
a
list,
and
so
I
think
you
have
to
start
philosophically
from
there.
J
If
what,
if
what
it
does
is,
is
sort
of
turn
our
our
residents
and
members
of
the
community
into
instead
subjects
of
the
surveillance.
So
I
I'm
I
I
appreciate,
like
I
also
read
a
bunch
of
the
correspondence
you
mentioned
from
folks,
who
point
out
the
ways
that
this
has
been
helpful
and
specifically
helpful
to
community
groups
that
want
to
intervene
in
the
lives
of
our
young
people
and
and
and
help
support
them
and
meet
many
of
the
needs
that
our
society
is
not
meeting.
J
J
B
Thank
you,
madam
chair,
and
I'm
just
gonna
leave.
Thank
you
to
everybody,
but
I'm
just
gonna
leap
right
into
questions
on
this.
For
mr
hall,
you
know,
I
think,
the
number
one
issue
that
I
have
with
this.
Amongst
many
other
issues,
it's
systemically
racist,
it's
racially
profiling,
it.
It
actually
promotes
racial
profiling
because
you're
actually
going
to
communities
to
then
associate
within
those
communities.
That's
how
this
works.
B
B
In
your
experience
as
a
prosecutor,
did
that
ever
happen?
Yes
in
boston,
did
you
ever
see
an
officer
prosecuted
for
testing
line?
Do
we
ever
have
a
perjury
charge
for
an
officer
in
boston?
Not
that
I'm
aware
of?
And
so
when
we
talk
about
due
process
test,
the
line
usually
comes
about
because
they
write
a
police
report,
correct.
B
K
B
B
Okay,
so
basically
the
reason
I
say
this
is,
if
you
end
up
on
an
fio,
so
I
I
say
I
write
the
report
and
I
say
I
saw
rason
hall
hanging
out
with
ricardo
arroyo
and
he's
with
the
boston
city
council
gang.
So
that's
this
and
I
do
that.
Do
you
ever
as
the
system
set
up
now,
do
you
rasson
hall,
ever
receive
notice
of
that?
No,
you
ever
get
the
chance
to
challenge
whether
or
not
you
actually
were
in
my
presence
or
in
an
area
with
me
or
in
vicinity
with
me.
K
B
And
so
it's
possible,
for
instance,
that
there's
a
reality
in
which
some
fios,
because
we
can't
challenge
them,
we're
unable
to
actually
verify
their
veracity,
correct
and
so
there's
a
possibility
that
if
officers
in
boston
have
lied
under
oath,
which
I
think
the
boston
globe
did
a
whole
piece
on
this
just
last
month,
it's
headlined
when
boston
police
officers
fail
to
tell
the
truth.
The
department
rarely
calls
a
lie,
a
lie
and
they
actually
detail
two
instances
of
this.
But
we
know
that's
the
case.
B
K
It
absolutely
can
that
they've
been
falsified,
but
also
that
people
are
genuinely
mistaken
and
someone
has
been
identified
as
being
in
a
certain
location,
because
an
officer
believes
that
this
person
that
they're
looking
at
is
someone
who
they
think
it
is
just
like
you
saw
in
that
video
with
alfred
is
at
officer.
Zach
crossing
who
said
is
your
name
kevin,
because
he
believed
that
he
was
kevin
now,
whether
that
was
a
ruse
or
not.
B
B
Is
it
is
there
data
in
science
that
shows
that
cross-racial
notifications
are
actually
often
more
unreliable
and
mistaken?
Yes,
okay
and
then
just
really
quickly
for
ms
badger,
you
work
on
immigration
proceedings,
correct
correct
and
often
these
gang
database
reports
can
show
up
in
immigration
proceedings.
C
A
You
thank
you,
council
royal.
That
last
point
is
a
major
distinction.
As
someone
who
represented
young
students
who
are
undocumented
in
immigration
cases
on
a
pro
bono
basis
right
because
you're
not
entirely
entitled
to
an
attorney,
it's
a
great
distinction
to
make.
I'm
gonna
now
go
to
councillor
baker
and
then
from
councillor
baker.
I
go
to
council,
mejia,
council,
flaherty,
council
rule
council
grade
council
banker,
starting
timer.
D
Thank
you.
Thank
you,
madam
chair.
Just
a
couple.
A
couple
points
so
eddie
had
asked
about.
Well,
council
council
flynn
had
asked
about
who
what
cities
have
databases?
There
was
a
point
made
that
some
cities
have
shut
down
their
database.
Do
we
have
a
sense
of
who
has
has
straight
out
shut
down
their
databases.
K
D
C
E
I
think
that
would
I
mean
that
would
be
a
really
good
question
for
the
administration,
because
yeah,
I
think,
as
elizabeth.
We
we're
trying
to
get
this
data
and
essentially
we're
all
working
backwards.
Like
we've
had
people
get
deported
and
then
we
found
out
about
the
gang
database
through
their
court
proceedings
and
worked
backwards.
But
you
know
we'd
really
love
to
get
that
information
directly
from
the
brick
and
I
believe
that
portland
oregon
shut
down
its
entire
gang
database.
F
D
An
abolition
of
the
database,
I'm
I'm
not
looking
for
an
abolition.
I
believe
that
there's
value
in
this-
maybe
it's
not
perfect,
but
I'm
not
looking
to
throw
the
baby
out
with
the
bathwater
and
I'll
and
I'll
listen
to
the
to
the
administration,
I'm
interested
to
see
what
they
have
to
say.
Thank
you,
madam
chair.
N
N
I
mean
just
watching
that
video
I've
had
already
seen
it
before,
but
just
the
level
of
disregard
and
disrespect
for
for
people
is.
What,
for
me,
I
think
is
something
that
goes
to
show
that
when
we
have
systems
like
this
in
place,
that
people
tend
to
abuse
their
power
to
some
extent,
and
I
think
that
that
is
real
really
problematic.
For
me,
I
I
am
curious,
though,
as
we
start
thinking
about
this
conversation,
and
while
there
are
some
folks
who
don't
agree
that
abolishing
may
be
the
best
course
of
action.
N
I
do
believe
that
there
is
and
to
what
we
have
already
heard,
some
really
deep
systemic
flaws
in
the
current
structure.
Right
and
it's
obviously,
the
people
who
have
been
profiled
are
usually
black
or
latinx
and,
and
you
know
primarily
people
of
color
and
so
boston,
knowing
the
history
and
the
racism
that
exists
here.
If
there's
a
way
for
us
to
really
have
a
heart
to
heart
with
folks
and
realizing
that
this
gang
base
is
creating,
excuse
me
deeper
systemic
racism.
Then,
let's
get
rid
of
it.
N
N
N
And
so
I
appreciate
you
all,
I'm
going
to
reserve
my
questions
for
the
administration,
because
I
think
that
that
is
where
the
energy
needs
to
be
at
and
not
to
say
that
the
energy
with
y'all
wasn't
important
because
y'all
brought
in
some
really
good
data
and
information.
But
I'm
just
like
we're
already,
I'm
already
in
agreement
with
all
the
things
that
you
all
have
said.
So
thank
you
for
being
here.
O
You,
madam
chair,
thank
you
to
all
the
advocates
for
participating
in
this
really
important
discussion.
This
afternoon.
Many
of
my
colleagues
have
already
asked
the
questions
that
I
had
you
know.
One
of
the
big
concerns
I
have
is
that
we
really
seem
to
be
criminalizing
normal
teenage
behavior
in
many
cases
and
that
you
know
and
that
we
have
that
we
seem
to
have
different
standards
for
how
we
how
we
treat
our
black
and
brown
youth
compared
to
white
kids.
K
K
But
then,
when
violence
doesn't
seem
to
move,
the
needle
doesn't
seem
to
move
people
say
well,
we
can't
do
that
that
didn't
work.
We
just
need
to
keep
going
with
the
police
when,
in
fact,
there
hasn't
been
the
significant
investment
and
there
hasn't
been
an
investment
in
the
research
to
find
out
what
are
the
touch
points
within
that
system
within
those
programs
and
initiatives
that
really
have
the
best
outcomes.
K
But
there
are
other
studies
that
show
the
greater
investment
in
non-police
violence.
Intervention
programs
correlates
to
decreases
in
incidents
of
violence
and
the
cities
that
have
the
higher
investment
have
those
better
results.
So
I
I
think,
that's
something
for
us
to
to
keep
in
mind,
in
addition
to
dealing
with
substance,
use
disorder
and
dealing
with
again
place
and
space.
What
are
the
open
and
green
areas
that
people
have?
What
are
the
investments
that
are
being
made
in
in
young
people?
A
Thank
you,
council
braden.
I'm
now
going
to
go
and
thank
you
all.
I'm
going
to
go
now
to
the
administration.
We
have
superintendent,
charles
wilson,
deputy
superintendent,
kenneth
gaines,
david
carabin
who's,
the
director
of
the
brick
and
I
believe,
rufus
falk
is
also
on
I'm
not
sure
all
of
you
planning
on
testifying.
A
Yes
and
what
I'll
do
is
I'll
I'll
do
the
five
minute
time
timer
for
you
guys,
each
like
I
did
with
the
other
panelists,
and
one
thing
I
do
want
to
say
that
would
be
important
based
on
questions,
I'm
sure
would
come
from.
Colleagues
is
just
obviously
the
database.
How
do
you
get
into
it
just
that
basic
information
that
no
one
really
knows,
criteria
etc,
would
be
helpful
to
hear
from
you
guys
too.
P
Perfect
go
right
ahead,
all
right
good
afternoon,
everyone.
My
name
is
david
carabin.
I
serve
as
the
assistant
chief
of
boston,
police,
department's
bureau
of
intelligence
and
analysis
and
the
director
of
the
boston
regional
intelligence
center.
The
brics
mission
is
to
serve
as
the
region's
central
point
for
the
collection,
synthesis,
analysis
and
dissemination
of
strategic
and
tactical
intelligence
to
law
enforcement
first
responders
and
private
sector
partners.
P
This
is
true
for
major
private
sector
businesses
and
it's
true
for
police
agencies
such
as
boston
police
department.
The
bric
facilitates
a
large
majority
of
the
boston
police
department's
analytic
requirements,
brick
personal
brick,
personnel,
analyzed
lawfully,
obtained
information
to
identify
crime
patterns
and
trends,
anomalies
in
criminal
activity,
indicators
of
violence
and
illegal
offenses
and
prolific
offenders.
P
P
For
the
purposes
of
this
hearing,
I
want
to
point
out
that
one
of
the
brick's
most
significant
analytic
responsibilities
is
focused
on
violent
criminal
offenses
to
include
fire
up
to
include
firearm,
offenses
homicides,
aggravated
assaults
and
robberies.
These
crimes
are
frequently
perpetrated
by
individuals
associated
with
violent
street
gangs.
P
P
The
vast
majority
of
information
and
data
used
for
analysis
comes
from
internal
police
reporting
mechanisms,
lawfully
collected
police
data
sources
and
intelligence
shared
by
other
law
enforcement
agencies
in
accordance
with
law
and
policy.
Other
information
and
data
used
is
collected
from
publicly
available
sources.
Analysts
in
the
bric
rely
on
a
variety
of
technologies
to
support
their
responsibilities.
P
The
majority
of
technologies
used
by
the
brick
are
managed
are
for
managing
querying
analyzing,
annotating
and
visualizing
qualitative
data
and
relational
data
sets.
Databases
maintained
by
the
brick
are
done
so
to
improve
the
quality
of
our
analysis.
This
ultimately
helps
avoid
the
circulation
of
arbitrary
subjective
information
and
prevents
ill-informed
decision-making.
P
P
P
The
information
is
only
shared
for
official
law
enforcement
purposes
or,
as
previously
referenced
with
service
provider
agencies
under
specific
terms
and
conditions,
and
would
formalize
legal
agreements
to
reduce
the
risks
associated
with
traumatic,
violent
behavior.
Immigration
and
customs
enforcement
does
not
have
access
to
the
database
and.
P
The
information
contained
within
the
gang
database
has
an
operational
shelf
life
and,
as
such,
the
information
undergoes
a
routine
retention
review
process,
supported
by
timers
associated
with
the
data
to
inform
of
a
record
reaching
its
retention
limit.
This
triggers
a
process
in
which
data
is
analyzed
to
determine
its
relevance
for
purge
or
extension.
This
is
based
specifically
upon
a
trained
analyst
or
supervisor's
reasonable
suspicion,
supported
by
recent
data
and
information
that
an
individual
remains
engaged
and
associated
with
a
group
that
is
participating
in
criminal
activity
and
or
retaliatory
violence.
P
A
A
Everyone
has
five
minutes,
so
you,
along
with
all
the
other
folks
in
the
administration,
have
five
minutes
to
give
opening
statements
and
then
I'm
gonna
go
through
counselors,
like
I
did
with
the
first
panel
to
have
them
ask
questions
so
I'm
timing,
everyone,
your
buzzer,
went
off.
So
if
you
want
to
wrap
up
in
one
minute,
then
I
can
go
to
superintendent,
wilson
and
the
other
folks
from
the
administration.
P
No,
I
don't
think
that
that's
that's
necessary,
so
I'll
continue,
and
you
can.
Let
me
know
when
my
time
is
up,
then
so
a
few
very
important
points
to
make
about
the
data
in
the
gang
database.
The
vert
does
not
name
these
groups.
Rather,
these
are
the
names
that
their
membership
or
associates
uses
their
moniker.
In
many
cases,
the
brick
does
not
define
who
associates
with
these
groups.
Rather,
the
individuals
make
up
the
group's
membership
claim
association
with
these
groups
and
openly
advise
of
this.
In
other.
H
P
Their
claim
of
association
to
a
specific
gang
is
not
done
covertly.
Not
only
is
this
publicized
by
groups
and
publicly
available
information
sources
such
as
youtube
and
instagram
videos,
but
this
is
learned
through
bpd's
community
engagement
with
these
groups
and
investigative
interactions
and
upon
their
registration
during
intake
at
correctional
facilities.
Otherwise,
we
use
the
verification
process.
Details
the
city
council,
in
its
written
order
for
this
hearing
states
that
black
and
brown.
A
A
B
M
M
M
M
The
people
that
support
the
bpd
and
the
use
of
the
gang
database
are
recognized
leaders
in
the
black
and
brown
communities
of
boston
who
do
street
outreach
and
place
youth
at
risk
in
programs
that
benefit
the
person
and
the
community.
You
know
them,
they
are
the
folks
that
actually
do
the
work.
Our
partners
have
written
letters
of
support
for
us
because
the
gang
database
is
designed
to
support
their
programs.
M
The
boston
police
department
will
never
turn
a
partner
away
and
does
and
will
continue
to
accept,
constructive
criticism
to
make
the
gang
database
better.
This
includes
all
of
you.
Every
member
of
the
city
council
has
my
cell
number.
I
personally
met
with
some
of
you
and
spoke
with
every
member
of
the
council
for
one
reason
or
another:
we
invited
you
to
police
headquarters
several
months
ago
during
a
very
difficult
time
in
our
country's
history,
and
every
council
was
represented
later
at
your
request.
M
M
M
In
short,
as
I
have
said
many
times,
we
are
devoted
to
lifting
people
up,
not
locking
people
up.
We
advance
these
values
using
innovative,
evidence-based
strategies
for
wide-ranging
community
partnerships
led
by
city
departments,
including
the
office
of
health
and
human
services,
the
office
of
public
safety,
the
saw
boston
street
worker
program
in
the
centers
of
youth
and
families,
the
neighborhood
trauma
teams
in
the
boston,
public
health,
commission,
the
office
of
returning
citizens,
the
office
of
workforce
development
and
the
boston
public
schools.
M
This
comprehensive
and
community-centered
partnership
strategy
is
essential
for
understanding
the
work
of
the
boston
police,
department's,
boston,
regional
intelligence
center,
otherwise
known
as
the
brick
and
the
purpose
of
its
gang
assessment
database.
Violence
in
boston
is
driven
by
gang
dynamics
with
a
very
small
number
of
people
causing
a
disproportionate
amount
of
harm.
The
purpose
of
the
database
is
to
investigate
and
prevent
violent
harm
and
associated
trauma
in
our
neighborhood.
In
addition,
the
information
in
the
database
helps
our
other
city
agencies
and
social
service
providers
identify
at
risk
individuals.
M
The
services
support
the
crisis
intervention
and
then,
of
course,
I'm
just
reading
snippets
here
so
I'll
skip
down
to.
In
summary,
the
boston
police
department's
gang
assessment
database
is
critical
tool
in
the
city
strategy,
not
only
for
responding
to
violent
criminal
activity,
but
also
for
supporting
at-risk
young
people,
preventing
community
violence
and
victimization
and
offering
participants
safe
and
healthy
pathways
to
a
better
life
that
is
from
mayor
martin
walsh.
M
The
next
letter
I
have
before
the
council
is
from
rachel
rollins.
You
should
all
have
it.
It
arrived
a
few
minutes
after
the
hearing
started,
but
you
all
should
have
it
in
your
inboxes
again,
I'm
only
going
to
read
snippets
it's
a
rather
lengthy
letter,
skipping
to
as
district
attorney,
I'm
committed
to
finding
ways
to
work
smarter,
using
a
data-driven
approach
in
our
efforts
to
keep
the
city
of
boston
and
its
entirety
of
suffolk
county
safe
as
we
develop
new
techniques
to
support
and
develop
safer
neighborhoods.
M
M
Data
provided
by
the
bric
is
one
of
the
number
of
sources
prosecutors
in
my
office
used
to
address
the
needs
of
a
particular
community
or
neighborhood.
I
also
think
it's
important
to
provide
a
brief
overview
of
the
manner
that
the
suffolk
county
district
attorney's
office
uses
data
provided
by
the
brick
to
inform
our
team
in
their
efforts
to
provide
safety
and
services
to
the
people
of
boston
and
suffolk
county
as
a
whole
skipping
a
little
ahead.
A
A
A
M
I,
if
I
can
just
skip
ahead
from
loud
another
60
seconds,
perhaps
there
are
other
people
and
I'll
just
kind
of
do
a
quick
overview.
There
are
people
from
the
boston
medical
center
who
work
with
us
closely
to
identify
people
for
deconfliction
purposes
in
their
violence,
intervention,
advocacy
program.
M
People
from
project
wright
who
supported
us
there
are
also
people
from
roca
that
supported
us
and
other
service
providers
have
committed
to
making
direct
calls
to
council
members.
At
this
point
I
I
can
turn
it
over
to
rufus
falk
director
of
the
mayor's
office
of
oh,
I'm,
sorry,
we're
going
on
deputy
games.
Aren't
we.
A
A
I
just
want
to
acknowledge
two
things
so
one
all.
I
said
this
in
the
beginning,
all
letters
that
we
received
in
support
of
either
the
database
of
the
brick
or
the
value
of
it
will
be
shared,
but
one
of
the
things
that
was
clear-
and
this
will
be
one
of
my
questions
later
on-
is
that
everyone
acknowledged
there
were
still
racial
disparities
and
something
that
needed
to
be
fixed.
A
So
I
want
to
stress
that,
because
I
think
it's
important
topic
and
subject
matter
for
this
hearing
and
the
other
point
superintendent
I
have
to
go
on
the
record
on-
is
the
advocates
didn't
decline
to
me.
They
wanted
to
meet.
They
just
didn't
want
to
do
it
in
person
at
bpd
in
the
midst
of
coven.
They
wanted
to
do
it
virtually
via
zoom
and
the
department
said
no.
H
My
name
is
kenneth
gaines,
I'm
a
deputy
superintendent
of
the
field
support
division,
which
youth
violent
strike
force
falls
under
the
youth
violence
strike
forces
mission
is
to
reduce
gun
violence,
particularly
concentrating
on
individuals
affiliated
with
gangs
or
violent
criminal
behavior.
The
youth
violent
strike
force
utilizes
traditional
policing
strategies,
incorporating
prevention,
intervention
and
enforcement
efforts.
Information
is
collected
to
focus
on
sources
of
firearm
and
gang
violence
to
the
identification
of
individuals,
groups
and
locations.
H
The
officers
receive
information
on
individuals
and
activity
from
a
multitude
of
different
sources.
It
could
be
observations
that
they
make.
It
could
be
information
from
other
officers.
Information,
confidential
performance
and
oftentimes
is
from
members
of
the
community.
The
office
will
verify
this
information
if
they
deem
it
to
be
credible,
we'll
submit
it
to
the
brick
for
further
review
and
verification.
H
The
information
the
gang
database
is
an
investigative
tool
which
can
help
with
officer
community
safety.
It
provides
officers
with
information
and
is
a
strong
investigative
tool
dealing
with
firearm
violence.
I
can
you
know
four
recent
investigations
come
to
mind
where
approximately
50
firearms
were
seized
and
some
individuals
were
taken
into
custody
with
violent
histories,
and
you
know
that's
50
firearms
that
won't
have
any
victims
attached
to
it.
H
Our
goal
is
not
necessarily
to
arrest
but
to
build
rapport
with
these
individuals
that
we're
interacting
with,
and
you
know
if
we
can
get
them
out
of
that
lifestyle
and
in
india-
and
you
know,
deal
with
our
community
partners
and
offer
them
services.
You
know
with
jobs,
counseling
or
whatever
they
need
for
success.
H
That's
what
we
would
rather
do
as
opposed
to
arresting
individuals,
but
the
reality
is
a
small
percent,
a
small
percentage
they're
not
going
to
accept
health
and
they're
going
to
continue
to
engage
in
violent
activity,
and
that
is
where
enforcement
is
necessary.
At
times
I
mean
our
goal
is
to
make
the
city
of
boston
safer
from
gun.
Q
Thank
you,
madam
chair,
and
thank
you
to
counselors
to
the
previous
panel.
I'm
going
to
be
brief.
I
I
had
some
points
that
I
wanted
to
make,
but
I
sort
of
threw
those
out
the
window
just
to
say
that
I
I
think
we
all
could
recognize
both
sides
of
this
sort
of
debate
being
black
man
born
and
raised
in
roxbury.
I
understand
emphatically
the
optics
of
it
being
in
this
role
as
a
director
of
public
safety.
Q
Q
It
was
our
duty
to
make
sure
that
we
can
intervene
with
the
with
that
with
that
group
of
juveniles
as
quickly
as
possible,
because
the
last
thing
we
want
to
do
is
show
up
to
a
scene
have
to
deal
with
a
mother
deal
with
a
family
and
they're
asking
us
how
we
didn't
do
more
sooner,
I've
been
going
to
funerals
for
peers.
Since
1995.
Q
Q
Yes,
I'm
saying
targeting
targeting
individuals
most
likely
to
harm
someone
or
be
harmed
by
gun
violence,
to
try
to
transition
them
into
a
career
path,
recognizing
that
having
that
career
path,
having
that
second
chance
and
being
intentional
about
who
we
select
can
have
a
ripple
effect
on
the
sort
of
climate
of
of
gun
and
gang
violence
within
the
city.
And
I
I
and
I
just
the
last
point-
I
think
it's
it's
a
it's
an
important
distinction
to
make
that
the
gang
culture
in
boston
is,
unlike
any
other
gang
culture
in
the
nation.
Q
We
are
a
homeless
street
gang
we're
not
a
home
of
these
national
gangs
that
might
represent
chicago
and
los
angeles.
These
are
street
gangs.
Some
historic,
some
are
more
active
than
not
some
have
gone
defunct,
some
are
being
revisited
and
that
in
itself
has
sort
of
widened
the
map
in
terms
of
how
many
self-identified
young
folks
are
claiming
gang
activity.
Q
So
I
think
about
bpd,
I
think
about
deputy
deputies,
lieutenant
gaines,
who
just
spoke-
and
he
has
been
a
major
partner
in
some
of
the
work
that
we're
doing
just
in
terms
of
trying
to
be
strategic
about
putting
resources
where
they
need
to
go.
So
that
those
are
my
comments,
I
will
be
quiet
and
ready
to
answer
any
questions
if
levy.
Thank
you.
A
A
P
Counselor,
I
will
state
carabin
again.
I
will,
I
will
start
by
answering
kind
of
in
reverse,
since
around
2012
the
brick
issued
a
privacy,
civil
rights
and
civil
liberties
protection
policy.
It
is
a
it
is
a
requirement
for
our
existence
as
a
major
urban
area,
fusion
center
and
just
of
note
there
are
80
other
or
maybe
81
other
fusion
centers,
like
the
brick
nationwide.
So
we
are
not
an
anomaly.
P
Our
privacy
policy
is
posted
publicly
within
that
private
and
that's
on
the
bpd
news
website.
It's
been
like
that,
since
2012
it's
been
posted
and
it's
been
updated
accordingly,
whenever
changes
were
necessary,
we've
also
provided
that
privacy
policy
to
numerous
requests
by
the
advocacy
groups
that
are
that
are
present
on
this
call.
P
But
I
will
point
out
that
section
k
of
that
speaks
directly
to
redress
procedures
and
how
one
would
question
their
their
presence
within
a
database
and
what
the
procedures
would
be
for
challenging
that
so
that
is
publicly
posted,
so
just
so
folks
know.
So
I
will.
I
will
start
with
that.
As
far
as
the
administration
acknowledging.
P
The
practice
would
be
to
issue
a
letter
to
the
office
of
the
legal
advisor
at
boston
police
department,
stating
the
case
of
of
what's
going
on
with
the
concern
about
being.
You
know,
misrepresented
in
in
law
enforcement,
documentation,
let's
say,
and
then
from
there
that
will
be
brought
to
our
attention
and
then
we,
what
we
will
do
is
we
will
go
through
our
wreckage
to
determine
whether
or
not
the
individual
was
in
fact
contained
within
a
database.
P
We
will
look
into
whether
or
not
we'll
look
into
the
circumstances
surrounding
why
that
person
may
have
been
in
the
database
technically
these
people.
Nobody
should
be
in
a
database
that
we
have,
unless
it's
being,
unless
that
person
was
placed
in
there
for
official
law
enforcement
purposes,
subject
to
to
law
enforcement
operations
or
investigations.
P
So
we
would
be
looking
to
see
if,
if
that's
the
case
in
instances
where
somebody
was
put
into
a
database
based
upon
reasonable
suspicion
of
criminal
activity,
we
would
go
back
and
we
would
double
check
all
of
our
data
to
ensure
that
that
person
was
in
there
for
a
justified
reason.
And
then
we
would
work
with
our
legal
advisors
to
determine
what
the
next
steps
should
be,
depending
on
what
the
circumstances
are.
A
P
Yes,
ma'am,
so
your
question
that
you
led
off-
with
which
I
I
think,
is
a
very,
very
important
question
about
whether
or
not
the
administration
is
mindful
of
the
demographic
breakdown
within
the
gang
database.
Yes
ma'am,
we
are.
We
are
very
mindful
of
that.
We
have
done
analysis
and
I
don't
think
that
I
have
time
to
read
it,
but
we
are
aware
of
the
demographic
breakdown
and
what
we
have
found
is
a
positive
correlation
between
the
demographic
breakdown
in
the
gang
database
and
that
of
victims
of
shootings
over
the
last
five
years.
P
The
neighborhood
that
is
has
been
subject
to
the
majority
of
the
firearm
violence
over
the
last
five
years,
as
well
as
arrests
for
shooting
incidents
most
recently.
So
a
couple,
let
me
let
me
give
you
just
a
couple
of
statistics
here,
so
the
gang
database
as
far
as
some
of
the
statistics,
so
approximately
one
half
of
one
percent
of
the
city's
population
is
represented
in
the
gang
database
as
of
right
now,
there's
a
total
of
3
83
people
in
the
city's
game
database.
P
So,
let's
that's.
That
represents
less
than
one
half
or
around
one
half
of
one
percent.
Questions
have
come
up
about
other
cities,
gang
databases
I
know
chicago
was
mentioned.
Chicago's
gang
database
has
five
percent
of
their
population
in
it
and
they
have
a
population
of
2.7
million
people,
so
just
to
consider
that
in
2020,
over
40
percent
of
individuals
arrested
for
firearm
offenses
were
in
the
gang
database.
P
A
Well,
my
timer
is
about
to
go
off
in
five
seconds.
One
of
the
other
questions
I
had,
which
I
can
come
back
around
on,
was
knowing
these
racial
disparities
to
exist
in
this
system.
What
is
the
city
doing
to
eradicate
them
right,
but
I
can
come
back
around.
I
want
to
be
respectful
of
council
colleagues,
so
I
have
I'm
not
sure
if
counselor
savvy
george
is
still
here,
counselor
flynn,
councillor
royal
and
then
I'll
go
to
councillor
baker
and
council
mejia.
B
P
H
M
H
B
Yeah,
so
thank
you
david
because
you
always
try
to
be
very
thorough,
but
I
have
like
five
minutes,
so
I
gotta
just
make
sure
I
get
directly
to
what
I'm
asking
so
basically
just
to
be
100
crystal
clear.
383
is
the
entire
totality
of
what
you
have
in
your
game
database.
That's
the
entire
number
as
of
right
now,
okay-
and
you
said
only
one
to
your
knowledge,
one
one
person
has
ever
successfully
lobbied
themselves
off
of
this
by
by
asking
for
investigation
of
some
sort.
B
B
Okay,
so
now
I
just
want
to
get
into
how
we
do
this
game
database
because
I
think
part
of
the
thing
here
david
is
you're
at
brick,
so
you're
not
actually
in
the
field,
correct,
that's
correct,
and
so
you
get
fios
from
boston
police
officers
and
then
you
compile
those
fios
into
data.
Essentially,
that's
your
job
right,
I
mean
I'm
sure,
there's
other
things
there,
but
that's
how
this
works
right.
B
P
So
so
we
do
not
just
field
fios
to
look
for
people
to
put
into
a
gang
database
by
any
means.
We
typically
I
mean
there's
there's
a
lot
of
analysis
that
is
getting
that
is
occurring
within
that
violent
crime
portfolio
and
through
our
work
with
members
of
the
youth
violence
strike
force.
They
often
times
are
you
know.
D
P
B
P
P
B
B
They
have
over
44
000
fios,
which
have
their
narratives
there,
and
I
got
I
was
actually
in
preparation
for
this.
I
went
through
hundreds
of
them
and
I
was
not
thoroughly
impressed
frankly
with
the
num,
the
the
amount
of
narrative,
and
I
realized
that
the
amount
of
narrative
here
is
and
I'll
give
you
an
example,
for
instance-
and
this
is
an
fio
from
actually
last
year-
observation
only
active
bailey
straight-
the
active
bailey
street
member
redacted-
that's
the
entire
narrative,
then
you
got
another
one.
B
B
Then
you've
got
one
that's
same
thing,
it's
literally
the
same
thing,
then
you
got
these
ones,
which
are
a
little
bit
more
troubling
from
a
racial
profiling
standpoint,
youth,
violent
strike
task
force,
intel
vko8,
redacted,
seen
loitering
at
a
laundromat
on
several
occasions,
redacted
known
to
associate
with
ms-13
members,
so
somebody's
at
the
laundromat.
Then
you've
got
this
one
which
troubled
me
because
of
the
ages
and
the
ages
of
these
three
individuals
were
15,
15
and
16..
Two
of
them
are
race
unknown.
B
One
of
them
is
black
frist,
so
they
were
frisked
they're
walking
down
the
street.
This
is
the
narrative
gang
investigate
gang
investigation,
vnf
associate
which
is
orchard
park.
I
believe
our
orchard
garden
is
one
of
the
other,
and
this
is
how
they
characterize
this
15
year
old,
build
small
skin
tone,
dark
ethnicity,
not
of
hispanic
origin,
other
clothing,
tan
pants,
gray,
jacket,
15
years
old,
stop
and
frisk
because
they
put
the
frisk,
so
they
were
first
and
searched
all
the
all
three
of
them.
The
narrative
is
literally
just
gang
investigation,
bnf
association.
B
B
And
so
when
we
talk
about
how
this
gets
done,
I
recognize
that,
on
your
points,
you're
looking
at
the
data
and
you're
saying
this
data
is
coming
from
various
points
and
I'm
not
applying
any
kind
of
racial
lens
to
the
data
as
I
receive
it,
I'm
not
doing
anything.
You
know
nefarious,
I'm
not
trying
personally
to
put
people
on
this
gang
database,
but
this
gang
database
is
compiled
by
officers
officers
who
are
out
in
the
streets
putting
together
reports
that
are
never
challenged,
that
there's
no
way
to
verify
who's
at
this
actual
park.
B
There's
no
way
to
verify
who
actually
said
what
there's
no
way
to
verify
any
of
that
unless,
in
that
moment,
that
person
is
given
the
opportunity
to
say
yes
or
no.
I
was
there
there's
no
case
essentially
you're,
not
you're,
not
actually
doing
a
legal
case,
but
the
results
of
those
fios
can
then
be
used
to
denote
gang
status
and
compiled
as
a
whole
become
a
park
spins
legal
case,
either
at
ice
or
at
a
criminal
junction.
When
they're
at
in
court
council.
A
P
So
so
I
counter
royal.
I
would
be
concerned
too,
if
that
was
in
fact
the
way
that
things
happened
here,
but
it's
not
all
of
the
data
that
we
look
at
is
is
subject
to
rigorous
scrutiny
and
analysis.
We
would
never
take
an
fio
such
as
what
you
just
described
and
used
that
as
a
prescriptive
measure
to
put
an
individual
into
a
gang
database
in
certain
circumstances
where
it
is
unclear,
we
would
reach
out
to
the
officers
that
were
involved
in
that
and
seek
some
clarification.
P
I
would
also
say
that
often
the
the
gang
database
is
not
compiled
by
the
officers,
the
officers.
Yes,
they
provide
us
with
information,
but
there
is
independent
analysis
that
gets
conducted
up
here
to
determine
whether
or
not
that
data
is
defensible
to
place
in
the
database.
Please
keep
one
thing
in
mind
and
I
understand
that
there
are
trust
issues
here,
but
we
operate
under
the
philosophy
of
garbage
in
garbage
out.
P
So
I
just
want
to
point
point
that
fact
out
and
lastly,
as
of
last
summer,
fio
fio
only
verifications
made
up
approx
made
up
less
than
17
of
all
verifications
and
according
to
the
new
rule,
changes
we
will
no
longer
be
able
to
use
fios
on
their
own
solely
to
verify
an
individual
and
we're
actively
working,
even
without
the
rule
being
officially
updated
in
place
to
rid
the
system
of
fio.
Only
and,
as
I
mentioned
earlier,
to
rid
the
system
of
inactive
gang
members.
P
D
D
H
Deputy
gaines
said
it
could
be
pursuant
to
an
ongoing
investigation.
It
could
be
the
area
that
he's
in
it
could
be
conflicting
with
another
group.
That's
in
that
area
there's
a
few
different
reasons
they
could.
It
could
be.
You
know
a
hot
spot
area
where
things
are
going
on
and
there's
been
an
uptick
in
firearm
related
violence,
and
so
that's
a
few
of
the
reasons.
D
D
P
D
P
They
became
that
gang
became
the
subject
of
a
federal
rico
investigation.
That
ice
was
participating
in
and
our
community
in
east
boston
was
literally
being
terrified.
Terrorized
by
this
group
we
supported
we
provided
supporting
information
to
aid
and
investigate
an
investigation,
criminal
investigations.
I
must
add,
related
to
the
violence
that
was
occurring
there
and,
as
a
result,
there
were
numerous
prosecutions
that
should
all
be
available
somewhere
within
the
us
department
of
justice,
u.s
attorney's
office.
P
I'm
sure
they
could
pull
that
data
for
you
at
some
point
and
as
I
mentioned
before,
I'm
only
aware
of
two
instances
where
there
were.
You
know,
challenges
to
some
of
the
deportation
proceedings
that
occurred.
I
don't
know
how
many
people
were
put
in
jail
versus
how
many
people
they
enacted
deportation
proceedings
on,
but
I
do
know
that
the
two
individuals
that
there
was
an
issue
with
their
deportation
proceeding.
They
started
out
with
ice
in
an
investigation
and
that's
and
that's
what
led
them
there.
Criminal.
D
D
Yeah
murder
can
is
there
a
way
to
if
someone
suspects
that
if
I
suspect
that
I'm
on
the
gang
database
is
there
a
way
for
me
to
reach
out
somehow
to
to
get
that
personally
to
get
that
information
get
confirmation?
Yes,
I
am
on
the
database
and
if
I
don't
think
I
should
be
on
that
database,
is
there
a
way
for
me
as
a
as
a
citizen
of
the
united
states
to
be
able
to
come
off
that
database?
D
D
Yeah-
and
I
mean
I
would
be
concerned
about
how
long
that
review
period
would
take-
is
that
going
to
take
two
years
or
something
like
that?
You
don't
need
to
answer
that,
but
and
rufus,
can
you
talk
a
little
bit
about?
You
said
that,
with
the
help
of
the
of
the
brick
you
target
individuals
for
operation
exit?
Can
you
talk
about
that?
A
little
bit?
Q
80
are
still
involved
in
in
the
trade,
so
it
has
been
a
very
successful
program
and
we're
just
actually
in
the
process
of
trying
to
increase
increase
the
the
capacity
of
that
program
as
well,
but
just
in
terms
of
the
support
we
received
from
bpd
bpd
has
helped
us
out
with
some
of
the
vetting
process
of
some
of
the
individuals
we
have,
and
also
we
want
to
make
sure
that
oftentimes.
I
I
hear
critiques
that
we
don't
have
the
right
people
in
certain
programs.
Q
I
D
Q
I,
to
be
honest,
I
think
that
what
we
realize
is
that
there
are
tiers,
there's
a
tiered
system
in
terms
of
involvement
in
gang
activity.
We
wanted
to
make
sure
that,
in
operation
exit,
we
were
attracting
those
tier
one,
individuals,
meaning
the
ones
who
are
most
likely
to
be
engaged
in
gun
violence,
particularly
on
those
summer
months,
when
we
see
those
those
numbers
rising.
So
to
sort
of
alleviate
some
of
that,
we
want
to
make
sure
that
we
cross
reference,
not
only
our
own
research
in
terms
of
our
relationship.
D
Thank
you
and
I've
heard
from
from
people
in
the
trades
good
reports
about
the
about
the
people
that
are
coming
out
of
our
operation,
exit
that
it's
a
it's
a
lifeline
for
them.
So
that's
a
good
project
project.
Thank
you,
everybody
for
coming
on,
rufus
and
and
the
men
the
people
from
from
the
brick.
Thank
you
for
what
you
guys
do.
Thank
you.
N
Yeah,
so
I'm
going
to
just
be
super
mindful
of
time,
and
so
I
want
kind
of
there
will
be
times
when
I'm
just
going
to
want
a
yes
or
no
answer,
and
I
kind
of
want
to
really
facilitate
this,
because
I
want
to
get
through
everything
that
I
want
to
put
out
here.
So
I'm
just
curious
in
terms
of
supervisors
of
color
and
women
who
are
in
brick.
How
many
do
we
have
do?
We
have
any
supervisors.
M
N
M
N
M
I
I
you
know.
The
thing
is:
is
that
if
patrol
of
fizz
investigates
it
he'll
be
disciplined
appropriately
and
then
at
that
point
he
would
fall
into
scrutiny,
whether
testifying
in
court
or
handing
over
any
type
of
reports.
So
we
would
give
it
a
hard
look.
But
it's
difficult
to
answer
that
question
succinctly,
because
there's
too
many
variables,
but
to
your
general
point,
it's
very
important
for
an
officer
that
have
credibility,
particularly
when
underwrote
testifying
in
court.
So.
N
N
H
H
N
H
N
N
You're,
not
okay.
I
just
want
to
mention
that
something
in
regards
to
youth
violence,
programs.
You
know,
I
don't
think
that
anyone
here
believes
that
there
shouldn't
be
any
violence
prevention
services
offered,
but
what
we
need
to
do
is
look
at
what
is
going
to
do
the
most
good
and
the
fact
of
the
matter
is
that
not
a
lot
of
people
feel
comfortable
right
now,
taking
violence,
prevention,
programming
from
government
and
the
police,
so
we
just.
N
I
just
think
that
we
need
to
really
need
to
be
relying
more
on
the
community
and
on
non-profits
and
on
advocates
to
truly
get
the
message
out
that
their
violence
prevention
is
an
option.
So
I
just
kind
of
want
us
to
really
think
about
that,
and
then
I
understand
that,
according
to
the
bpd,
the
purpose
of
the
gang
database
is
to
provide
analysis
of
violent
offenses.
But
when
you
look
at
the
point
system,
it
includes
things
like
being
in
a
photo
with
a
gang
member
or
published
news
account.
N
P
N
H
N
I'm
just
curious
about
just
kind
of
like
the
cultural
competency
and
just
kind
of
the
impact
that
that
will
have
on
communities
of
color.
Whether
you
live
on
humble
or
not
like
just
the
just
in
terms
of
modeling
behavior
is
there
another
way
that
we
can
be
a
little
bit
more
responsive
to
and
be
more
intentional
about
the
cultural
competency
of
those
who
are
working.
H
N
N
Dispatching
so
I
I
just
kind
of
want
to
be
really
super,
mindful
of
in
terms
of
just
the
intent
and
impact
that
a
lot
of
some
of
the
reasons
why
we're
even
having
this
conversation
is
just
how
communities
are
being
labeled
and
how
those
affinity
affiliated
names
can
also
send
the
wrong
message
out
to
communities
and
and
being
labeled.
That
way,
it's
like
an
open
season
on
our
on
certain
neighborhoods
right.
N
If
we're
really
serious
about
handling
this
problem,
then
we
need
to
get
real
that
a
lot
of
this
is
also
who
is
leading
the
brick
and
who
is
leading
the
gang
unit
and
what
that
all
looks
like.
So,
if
we
don't
have
people
of
diverse
experiences
and
backgrounds
and
positions
of
leadership,
then
these
are
the
sort
of
things
that
are
going
to
continue
to
happen
here
in
the
city
of
boston.
And
so,
if
we're
really
serious
about
the
work,
then
it
needs
to
be
more
than
just
we're.
N
Considering
doing
this
and
we're
trying
to
because
there
are
a
lot
there's
a
talent
out
there
there
there
needs
to
be
the
will
to
to
create
space
for
for
people
of
color
to
step
into
those
leadership
positions,
and
that
is
what
I
think
these
times
require,
because
we
probably
would
be
having
a
different
conversation.
If
that
was
the
case,.
A
P
Counselor
are
the
criteria
that
we
use
was
adopted
from
the
department
of
corrections
and
it's
a
methodology
that
is
used
by
the
department
of
corrections
for
evaluating
the
risk
implications
of
threat
groups
internal
to
the
prison
systems.
So
they
use
these.
They
use
this
point
system
in
order
to
reduce
risk
within
their
facilities.
P
We
adopted
the
the
point
system
from
the
massachusetts
department
of
corrections
several
years
ago
many
years
ago,
and
what
we
did
is
we
evaluated
their
cr
criteria
and
we
made
adjustments
to
it
in
order
to
be
reflective
of
the
the
data
sets
that
we
could
utilize
for
verification
purposes.
So,
in
other
words,
we
took
it
out
of
the
context
of
a
corrections
institution
and
put
it
into
the
context
of
a
police
department.
P
Subsequent
follow-up
with
numerous
numerous
sheriff's
departments
and
police
departments
around
the
country
indicated
that
they
use
a
very,
very
similar
approach
to
doing
this.
I
don't
know
of
an
exact
science
that
is
being
used
across
the
board,
but
I
will
say
that
our
point
system
has
stood
the
test
of
time
in
court
and
based
on
statistics
that
we
have
calculated,
such
as
some
of
the
statistics
that
I've
provided
before
it
is
indicative
of
of
us
actually
analyzing
the
the
right
people
to
for
placement
into
the
database.
A
P
So
we
actually
started
working
on
changes
to
this
rule
well
over
a
year
ago,
far
well
well
before
covid,
before
a
lot
of
the
tragic
incidents
that
occurred
nationwide
we've
been
working
diligently
on
this
thoughtfully.
We've
listened
to
what
the
community
has
had
to
say.
We've
discussed
had
discussions
with
our
our
internal
and
and
external
partners
for
feedback.
We've
listened
to
dissenting
opinions
that
have
have
come
from
from
the
courts
and
ultimately
we
are
always
looking
to
improve
that.
That's
the
truth.
P
You
know
we
want
this
to
be
something
that
that
works
for
us
for
the
operational
purposes
that
we
described,
and
we
want
to
make
sure
that
we
have
a
you
know
we
operate
in
a
trusted
environment,
and
so
we
have
proposed
a
number
of
changes
to
it.
I
I
could
read
those
changes
to
you
briefly
if
you'd
like
or
we
can
move
on
it's
up
to
you.
P
So,
regardless
of
the
effectiveness
of
the
gang
database
to
date,
we
remain
committed
to
excellence
and
continued
improvement
in
order
to
constantly
improve
our
policies
and
procedures.
We're
considering
the
following
proposed
changes
this.
We
believe
that
this
will
further
enhance
controls
and
safeguards
regarding
access
to
the
information
in
the
database,
as
mentioned
earlier,
fios
can
no
longer
be
used
as
a
sole
criteria
for
verification.
P
This
addresses
the
concern
that
a
person
could
be
entered
into
the
gang
database
with
points
only
from
fios
we're
working
on
the
removal
of
the
inactive
status.
This
will
help
ensure
that
those
individuals
will
be
reviewed
for
purge
or
re-categorized
to
more
accurately
reflect
their
participation
in
gang
activity
in
the
interest
of
transparency
and
accountability.
We're
adding
an
annual
public
reporting
requirement
regarding
the
number
of
individuals
added
to
and
purged
from
the
database
and
the
rule.
A
B
B
B
B
B
B
These
black
victims
are
are
often
times
decried
as
gang
related,
and
so
what
we're
talking
about
here
is
relatively
low
clearance
rates
and
when
I'm
thinking
about
what
this
is
worth,
what
is
this
kind
of
infringement
on
a
community's
constitutional
rights?
What
would
allow
me
to
say
this
is
such
a
valuable
tool
that
I'm
going
to
allow
this
to
happen?
B
Even
though
it's
either
right
on
the
line
of
what
I
would
consider
sort
of
constitutional
infringement
or
it
has
these
sort
of
troubling
racial
profiling
patterns
or
these
other
things,
the
value
has
to
be
there,
and
I
think
that's
true
for
you
as
well.
You
would
like
this
to
have
some
value,
but
to
your
knowledge,
do
you
keep
any
data
that
says
because
of
the
gang
database
we
solve
this
murder.
Do
you
keep
that
data.
B
B
and
so
and
that's
on
a
total.
And
so
you
know
my
concern
here
is
when
we're
talking
about
data
and
tools,
tools
have
to
be
justified
for
their
effectiveness
and
there's
all
kinds
of
questions
for
me
where
there's
no
justification
so
far
for
this,
this
program's
effectiveness
beyond
bpd
saying
trust
us.
It
helps,
but
there's
no
data,
there's
nothing
there,
and
I
guess
my
last
question
on
this
because
we
I
want
to
be
mindful
of
time,
is
you
know.
B
Schedule
another
hearing,
I
have
to
send
it,
I
don't
want
to
get
in.
I
know
we
have
scheduling
issues
and
I
want
to
allow
for
community
comments
so
I'll
send
them
and
we'll
follow
up
for
sure,
and
I
thank
you
for
for
trying
your
best
to
answer
these
questions.
I
know
we're
asking
you
a
lot
of
data
centric
questions
and
you
might
not
have
those
things
readily
available.
So
thank
you.
P
That's
okay,
I
mean
what
you're
asking
specifically
about
is
solving
crimes
and
what
we
use
the
database
for
primarily
is
to
prevent
acts
of
violence
and
to
provide
services
to
at-risk
individuals
to
get
them
out
of
that.
So
you
know
the
as
far
I
know
of
plenty
of
ways
that
it's
been
used
proactively
to
to
get
ahead
of
retaliatory
gang
violence
for
sure.
Do
I
have
a
a
tracking
mechanism
that
calculates
every
single
time
that
happens
or
captures
data
from
other
units
that
have
the
responsibility
for
investigating
various
types
of
crimes?
A
Obviously,
at
the
beginning
of
this
hearing,
so
we'll
follow
up
and
I'll
make
sure
that
you
guys
get
those
questions.
I
do
want
to
go
to
public
testimony
and
acknowledge.
There
are
a
couple
of
folks
here
who
have
been
extremely
patient,
which
I
appreciate
to
offer
a
public
testimony,
and
I
have
to
limit
it
to
two
minutes,
but
I'm
going
to
first
go
to
trucee.
I
see
you
if
you
could
say
your
name.
R
Oh
no
you're
welcome.
Thank
you
councillor
campbell
for
letting
me
jump
in
first,
so
trucia
law
for
the
record
and
I'm
working
currently
at
the
executive
office
of
public
safety
and
security,
and
so
my
relationship
with
the
bric
it
has
is
twofold.
I
worked
my
first
introduction
to
the
brick
and
the
gang
database
was
when
I
was
working
at
the
suffolk
county
sheriff's
department,
with
the
boston
re-entry
initiative.
R
The
way
that
program
worked.
It
was
largely
in
part
due
to
due
to
the
brick-
and
I
was
one
of
those
guys
in
the
community
that
never
wanted
to
embrace
the
idea
of
impact
players
or
gang
involved,
youth
community
mentor
faith-based,
I
just
despised
it
a
year
or
so
into
my
role
as
a
liaison
for
the
sheriff.
R
R
R
She
would
sift
through
that
thesis
of
information
and
she
would
pluck
out
the
guys
that
were
identified
for
the
boston
reentry
initiative,
because
what
was
happening
is
guys
were
telling
my
the
mentors
that
I
was
supervising
that
they
were
doing
the
right
things.
They
were
going
to
work,
they
were
being
accountable,
but
then
they
were
getting
fio'd
in
hotspots
that
they
were
representing.
R
So
I
used
it
from
an
authenticity
litmus
test.
If
you
will
so
one
guys
and
then
we
would
call
them
on
their
stuff
when
they
were
not
being
forthright.
Now,
that's
not
to
say
that
the
biggest
room
in
the
house
is
not
room
for
improvement.
We
can
all
improve.
Bpd
would
own
that
as
well.
But
I
would
say
that
if
I,
if
we
had
like
louis
d
brown
peace
institute
on
end,
some
of
the
mothers
who
are
survivors
of
homicide
had
a
case
that
was
resolved
because
of
the
brick
or
the
gang
database.
A
I
appreciate
you
being
here
trustee
and
if
you
want
to
follow
up
and
send
some
more
written
testimony
feel
free,
we
circulate
it
to
the
counselors
and
and
to
other
folks
who
want
access
to
the
record
for
the
hearing.
So
I
appreciate
you
being
here
we'll
stay
in
contact
with
you
for
sure
on
this
issue
as
we
move
forward,
I
appreciate
it.
Thank
you.
Trustee.
S
S
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
So
much.
Thank
you
to
the
counselors
for
holding
this
hearing.
Thank
you
to
everyone
for
being
here.
I
appreciate
the
administration
being
here
today
as
well
to
answer
questions
and
thank
you
councillor,
campbell
for
also
clarifying
that
we
only
declined
the
meeting
with
the
administration
over
coveted
concerns
and
not
because
we're
not
interested
in
continuing
dialogue
with
them.
S
And
I
just
want
to
say
that
these
two
things
can
be
true.
At
the
same
time,
the
brick
can
be
harmful
and
can
also
be
helpful
in
these
ways,
and
I
think,
if
most
of
the
focus
of
the
benefit
that
we're
discussing
is
on
these
youth
interventions
or
these
violence
interventions,
then
why
do
we
not
decouple
the
criminalization
of
these
communities
from
the
interventions
that
we're
trying
to
provide,
if
there's
a
funding
stream
issue?
S
If
there's,
if
there's
intelligence,
that
needs
to
be
shared
in
order
to
identify
people,
we
don't
need
to
also
support
the
criminalization
of
these
communities
in
order
to
provide
them
with
support
services.
I
will
also
reiterate
the
things
that
my
colleague
elizabeth
discussed,
which
is
that
we
personally
have
not
actually
seen
those
services
be
offered
to
a
lot
of
youth
that
we
have
seen
been
identified
and
importing
through
thousands
of
records.
We
have
also
not
seen
that
been
a
subject
of
the
discussions
among
brick
and
other.
S
This
is
mostly
in
the
be
boston
public
school
context.
We
haven't
seen
that
been
the
primary
objective
within
those
communications,
so
I
might
push
back
a
little
bit
on
that
point.
I
did
also
want
to
touch
on
the
fact
of
ice
access,
which
was
discussed,
and
I
know
that
it's
been
said
in
this
hearing
in
previous
hearings.
That
ice
doesn't
have
direct
access
and
I
understand
that
they
don't
have
direct
access,
but
they
do
have
access
to
plenty
of
information
from
the
brick.
S
S
A
No,
this
is
helpful
and
thank
you
emily
for
your
patience
and
and
for
providing
information,
and
I
think,
you're
exactly
right.
You
know
we
created
the
space
so
folks
who
come
together
to
hear
the
concerns
from
everybody
and
so
we're
all
on
the
same
page,
and
I
think
what
is
abundantly
clear
is
that
we
all
agree
that
there
is
still
work
to
be
done
to
fix
the
system
and
that
it
is
indeed
harming
folks
at
different
times
in
different
junctures
in
different
ways,
and
so
we
will
continue.
A
This
conversation
continue
the
hearing
I
will
follow
up
with
the
brick
and
the
administration
on
specific
additional
questions.
I
get
from
council
colleagues
who
ran
out
of
time,
of
course,
and
get
those
over
to
the
administration
to
respond
to
including
any
additional
questions
from
folks
from
the
advocacy
world.
I
want
to
thank
everyone
for
being
here
today.
I
want
to
thank
everyone
for
their
patience.
I
want
to
thank
everyone
for
productive
conversation,
clearly
still
work
to
do.
I
also
want
to
thank
my
council
colleagues
for
being
here,
council
making
council
royal.
A
Thank
you
so
much.
Obviously
this
was
a
long
hearing
and
we
will
continue
the
work
that
needs
to
be
done
immediately,
because
these
racial
inequities
are
real
and
I
think
there
were
some
folks
who
doubted
whether
or
not
they
were
real,
and
we
got
that
from.
I
think
everyone
on
here
that
there's
still
work
to
be
done
in
that
regard.
So
thank
you
all
so
much.
I
also
want
to
thank
central
staff.
I
know
we're
late
there's
another
hearing
going
on.