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Docket #0264 - Hearing regarding the usage of surveillance equipment in the City of Boston
A
B
In
LA
chamber,
my
name
is
Tim
McCarthy
Boston
City
Council
from
district
5
I
am
the
chair
of
the
Public
Safety
and
criminal
justice
committee.
We
are
here
today
for
docket
number
0
to
6
for
councilors
rule
Campbell
I
myself.
In
order
for
a
hearing
regarding
the
usage
of
surveillance
equipment
in
the
city
of
Boston,
I
want
to
remind
everybody
that
this
is
a
public
hearing
being
recorded
and
broadcast
on
Comcast
8,
RCN,
82
and
Verizon
1964.
It
also
can
be
viewed
online
city
of
Boston
gov.
B
Please
silence
your
cell
phones
and
other
devices
we'll
take
public
testimony
throughout
the
hearing.
We'd
appreciate
it.
If
you
would
sign
in
to
my
left
your
right
and
check
off
the
box.
If
you
would
like
to
testify,
we
have
a
good
crowd
so
that
people
who
do
testify
you
will
have
two
minutes
on
the
nose.
I'll
give
you
a
heads
up
when
you
have
about
30
seconds
left
and
at
two
minutes
we'd
appreciate,
if
you
wrapped
it
up
on
two
minutes
to
be
respectful
for
everybody's
time
and
when
you
do
testify.
B
Please
state
your
name,
your
affiliation,
your
residence
and
again
limit
your
limit.
Your
comments
to
two
minutes.
Please,
before
I,
introduce
the
first
panel
I'd
like
to
introduce
my
colleagues
and,
if
they'd
like
to
have
a
brief
statement.
First,
the
sponsors
of
this
hearing
and
then
the
councillors
in
order
of
attendance.
So
first
in
attendance
was
a
councillor
Michelle.
Will
council
woop
good.
C
So
I
am
eager
to
be
here
to
thank
our
panelists
for
joining
us
and
also
to
set
the
to
set
the
standard
for
our
set,
the
the
framework
and
the
conversation
for
longer
and
larger
push
to
have
the
legislative
backing
to
what
I
think
is
already
sort
of
our
common
understanding
of
the
need
for
community
input,
public
accountability
and
Trust
at
the
core
of
everything
that
we're
doing
at
the
city.
Thank
you
thank.
D
Thank
You
councillor
McCarthy
and
thank
you
council
will
for
the
partnership
in
this
Thank
You
superintendent
chief,
as
well
as
a
David
from
the
brick
for
being
here
and
frankly,
continuing
to
stay
in
conversation
on
these
issues.
They're
not
black
and
white
they're
complex
I
also
want
to
thank
the
advocates
and
a
lot
of
young
people.
We've
heard
from
as
well
for
being
here.
D
I'm
just
excited
to
participate
one
not
only
to
get
to
a
goal
of
developing
if
it's
a
standard
policy
or
template
or
something
where
we
go
through
almost
a
checklist
anytime,
the
department's
thinking
about
introducing
a
new
technology.
How
do
we
ensure
that
the
community
knows
about
it
is
informed
by
it
gets
an
opportunity
to
participate
in
some
way
and
the
policy
development
that
governs
it?
How
do
we
strike
that
balance
between
the
department's
need
for
technology
to
do
its
job
effectively,
while
at
the
same
time,
balancing
people's
privacy
and
civil
liberties
concerns
I?
D
Think
the
body
cameras
frankly
were
a
great
example
of
how
we
do
that
quite
well,
working
in
partnership
with
the
community
different
stakeholders,
including
the
ACLU,
and
we
got
to
a
pilot,
a
pilot
policy
where
I
think
75%
of
what
people
agreed
on
was
in
it.
I
thought
it
was
a
great
example
of
how
we
can
set
up
processes
to
do
that
for
other
technologies
as
well.
D
I
know
we're
probably
focused
on
technologies,
but
I
do
want
to
acknowledge
that
we
did
get
a
lot
of
emails
and
there's
a
ton
of
written
testimony
here
about
surveillance
issues
broadly
so
that
may
come
up
and
people's
public
testimonies
or
in
a
couple
of
questions
today.
But
thank
you
guys
for
being
here
and
thank
you
to
the
residents
were
being
here
as
well.
E
Thank
thank
you,
council
of
McCarthy
Thank
You
council
president
Campbell
council
Owoh
for
holding
this
hearing.
I
am
interested
in
learning
and
hearing
more
about
the
city's
use
of
surveillance.
Like
drones,
social
media
observation,
I
know
we
all
desire
a
safe
city.
I
think
we
should
be
able
to
have
a
reasonable
policy
allowing
the
protection
of
civil
liberties,
while
also
allowing
our
police
force
to
do
its
job
as
well.
Just
want
to
thank
the
panelists
for
being
here
for
providing
sound
leadership
for
many
years
on
behalf
of
the
residents
of
the
city
of
Boston.
F
Mr.
chair,
and
also
want
to
thank
the
makers
of
this
hearing
order,
certainly
thank
you
to
our
panel
and
for
all
the
work
that
you
do
and
all
of
the
many
advocates
who
have
been
in
touch
with
us
on
the
City
Council
I
certainly
understand
the
need
to
do
good
police
work
and
make
sure
that
we're
doing
everything
that
we
can
to
keep
our
communities
safe,
I
think
there's
often
a
tension
between
safety
and
freedom
and
making
sure
that
our
residents
are
free
to
live
their
lives
without
fear
of
being
watched
and
overly
policed.
F
I
think
we
have
a
long,
deep
history
in
this
country
and
even
in
this
city,
where
poor
communities
and
communities
of
color
experience
police
in
a
very
different
way
and
so
I
have
questions
even
some
concerns
that
I
would
just
put
out
there
right
up
front
that
I'm,
hoping
that
you
can.
Let
me
know
your
rationale
for
what
you're
thinking
is.
F
But
you
know
I
worry
that
our
young
people
that
people
who
live
certainly
in
the
communities
that
I
represent,
would
have
I
think
a
disproportionate
burden
when
it
comes
to
surveillance
in
our
community,
and
so
I
just
want
to
put
that
out
there
right
out
front
I'm,
certainly
open
to
hearing
what
you
have
to
say
and
I
want
to
hear
from
those
who
want
to
testify.
I
do
need
to
apologize
if
I
have
to
slip
out.
F
B
You
very
much
conscious,
janie,
we've
also
been
joined
by
a
counselor.
He
says
sabe,
Jorge
and
counselor
matter.
O'malley
I
would
like
to
recognize
that
Commissioner
Evans
had
a
prior
engagement
at
a
conference
or
he
would
be
here
my
opening
statement,
simple
chief,
you
know,
we've
had
a
great
relationship
for
many
many
years
and
now,
as
the
chair
of
public
safety,
you
know
we
meet
regularly.
B
We
talk
regularly
and
I
appreciate
the
relationship
that
you
have
with
with
my
community
and
with
Boston
and
I,
look
forward
to
a
really
productive
conversation
about
how
we
continue
to
to
protect
in
the
Seraph
and
to
make
sure
that
people's
rights
on
infringed
upon
and
make
sure
that
our
continued
efforts
in
community
policing,
which
is
nationally
recognized,
continues
on
that
road
and
I.
Think
a
lot
of
that
has
to
do
with
you,
chief,
so
I'll
turn
it
over
to
you
right
now.
Superintendent
chief
I
will
across
oh.
G
Thank
you,
Thank
You,
councillor,
Wu
McCarthy,
madam
president,
and
our
great
councilors
of
the
city
trying
to
head
it
on
the
head.
Sir.
Our
model
of
community
policing
means
that
that
we
listen
to
folks
in
the
community,
especially
when
we
implement
new
technology.
As
you
are
stated,
president
Campbell,
just
like
the
body,
worn
cameras,
we're
looking
for
the
input
from
the
community
and
suggestions,
so
we
can
take
that
under
advisement
and
move
forward
and
writing
a
policy
that
will
ensure
the
rights
of
everybody
in
the
city
of
Boston.
G
As
the
department
considers
technology
advancements
in
policing,
we
are
keenly
aware
of
the
concerns
that
individual
in
our
communities
may
have
and
the
common
misconceptions
around
this
technology
that
may
exist.
That's
why
these
hearings
are
so
important
and
we're
definitely
looking
forward
to
future
meetings
to
to
further
this.
Just
this
isn't
gonna
be
the
only
meeting
that
we
have
trust
me
and
again.
We
appreciate
this
forum
to
discuss
what
technology
we
use
or
that
we
are
using
now
and
clear.
The
air
there's
a
lot
of
misconceptions
perceptions.
G
We
have
nothing
to
hide
and
we're
perfectly
able
and
willing
to
discuss
our
technology
outside
of
the
formal
meetings
the
department
also
utilizes
community
groups.
Everyone
knows
about
our
community
meetings
and
we
also
rely
heavily
on
the
commissioners,
social
justice
task
force
to
support
an
open
dialogue
regarding
areas
of
concern
and,
for
instance,
prior
to
the
body
camera
pilot
and
through
the
council,
especially
you
counsel,
Campbell,
and
at
the
time
councilor
Jackson
and
the
social
justice
task
force.
We
attended
in
community
meetings
to
discuss
the
program
and
take
advice
from
the
community.
G
We
plan
to
use
a
similar
method
for
our
drone
policy
in
the
coming
weeks.
Again,
can't
stress
it
enough.
This
will
not
be
the
only
meeting
that
we
have
and
additionally,
the
apartment,
the
department
reviews,
recommendations
from
national
civil
liberties
groups
and
law
enforcement,
best
practices
to
determine
technology
policy.
We
understanding
that
policing
technology
affects
everyone
involved
and
must
not
undermine
privacy
protections.
There
is
no
devious
intent
on
what
we
do.
G
We
take
on
new
technology
to
increase
the
public
safety
and
make
sure
we
are
at
the
cutting
edge
when
it
comes
to
protecting
this
city.
Here
with
me,
today
is
the
Bureau
of
administration
and
Technology
superintendent
daily,
and
also
we
have
David
Caron
the
assistant
chief
of
intelligence
and
analysis.
H
For
a
little
bit-
and
you
know,
I've
seen
the
technology
change
over
time
from
your
mainframe
computers
and
dump
terminals
to
personal
computers,
and
you
know
smartphones
mobile
devices.
Now
you
know
things
are
changing
and
the
pace
of
change
is
increasing
and
you
know
so.
We
we
want
to
be.
You
know
very
conscientious
about
the
technologies
that
we
adopt
and
how
we
use
those
technologies.
H
Some
other
projects
that
we're
working
on
we're
in
the
midst
of
upgrading
our
radio
infrastructure
to
a
digital
platform,
we're
in
the
beginning,
stages
of
body,
camera,
implementation
for
the
department
and
we're
looking
at
a
new
records
management
system.
These
technologies
they
make
us
more
efficient
and
they
give
us
capabilities
that
that
we
would
not
otherwise
have,
but
one
thing
they
all
have
in
common.
Is
they
collect
data
and
how
we
collect
that
data
and
what
we
do
with
that
data
I
think
are
what's
at
issue
here
today.
H
So
when
we
look
at
a
new
technology
and
we
try
to
decide,
you
know,
are
we
going
to
adopt
that
technology?
You
know
we
do
all
the
things
you
would
expect.
We
do
cost-benefit
analysis,
we
look
at
functionality,
you
know
value
proposition,
but
you
know
we
also
look
at
how
the
use
of
a
tech
particular
technology
would
be.
What
would
it
would
it
be
consistent
with
the
values
of
the
department
and
what
it
further?
H
Our
mission
of
community
policing
that
place
is
big,
if
not
a
bigger
role
in
our
decision-making
around
technology,
as
you
know
as
functions
and
and
you
know-
and
efficiency
increases
and
things
like
that,
I
think
we
do
a
good
job
striking
a
balance.
You
know
between
how
we
use
data,
efficiency
and
and
use
of
that
data,
but
just
in
case
I
think
it's
important
that
we
come
here
and
answer
questions
and
you
know
we're
we're
happy
to
do
so.
We're
happy
to
do
so
today
and
any
at
any
time
in
the
future.
I
So,
to
start,
the
BRIC
is
one
of
79
fusion
centers
established
across
the
United
States
in
fusion
centers
were
developed
after
9/11,
in
recognition
of
the
need
for
better
intelligence
sharing
and
analysis
practices
as
a
tool
to
resolve
complex
issues
related
to
criminal
activity
and
to
protect
our
homeland
from
terrorist
attacks.
In
many
ways,
the
development
of
the
BRIC
has
formalized
otherwise
informal
relationships
and
information
practices
that
existed
within
the
city
of
Boston,
the
Metro
Boston
region
and
across
the
country,
under
the
leadership
and
direction
of
the
Boston
Police
Department.
I
The
BRIC
serves
the
cities,
cities
and
regions,
central
point
for
the
collection,
synthesis,
analysis
and
dissemination
of
intelligence
to
law
enforcement,
first
responders
and
private
sector
security
partners.
Furthermore,
the
BRIC
is
a
resource
that
supports
the
city's
public
safety
responsible
by
sustaining
a
trusted
network
through
which
information
can
be
collected,
maintained,
analyzed
and
shared
in
a
manner
that
protects
our
communities
and
the
privacy,
civil
rights
and
civil
liberties
of
our
citizens.
The
Briggs
major
analytical
priorities
are
focused
on
traditional
local
crime
matters.
I
This
includes
violent
crimes
such
as
homicide,
aggravated
assault,
gun,
violence,
rape
and
robbery,
violent
street
gangs,
drug
trafficking
organizations
and
both
firearms
and
human
human
traffickers,
property
crimes
such
as
burglary,
larceny
and
vehicle
crimes,
and
organized
theft,
groups
and
their
criminal
activities
to
include
organized
retail
theft,
organized
resale
of
stolen
property
and
various
financial
crimes.
Additionally,
the
brick
is
responsible
for
evaluating,
investigating
and
advising
on
matters
that
threaten
and/or
present
risks
to
public
safety.
This
includes
threats
of
terrorism,
mass
casualty,
threats
of
violence,
targeted
threats
of
violence
and
special
events
and
large
crowd
events.
I
The
brick
assists
the
police
response
to
active
incidents
and
investigations
and
is
responsible
for
providing
situational
awareness
on
matters
that
could
impact
police
operations
and
Public
Safety.
So
how
do
we
do
it
all
major
organizations
formulate
business
decisions
based
on
the
analysis
of
data
and
information
relevant
to
their
operational
requirements?
This
is
true
from
major
private
sector
firms,
health
care
providers
and
nonprofit
organizations
as
well.
The
same
is
true
for
large
police
agencies
such
as
Boston
Police
Department
within
Boston,
Police
Department.
One
of
the
brics
responsibilities
is
satisfying
the
department's
analytic
needs.
I
This
includes
preparing
weekly
statistical
summary
reports
and
aggregate
data
for
bi-weekly
CompStat
meetings,
both
of
which
are
used
for
management,
accountability,
police
resource
deployment
and
problem-solving
purposes,
BRIC
personnel,
analyze
lawfully
obtained
information
to
identify
crime
patterns
and
trends,
anomalies
in
criminal
activity,
indicators
of
violence
and
illegal
offenses
and
prolific
offenders.
They
evaluate
threat
information
and
investigate
criminal
offenses
to
include
terrorism.
The
end
result
of
our
analytic
and
investigative
processes
is
the
development
of
intelligence,
which,
by
definition,
is
information
that
has
been
purposefully,
collected,
analyzed
and
shared
or
present
in
a
manner
to
enhance
decision-making.
I
Some
examples
of
this
evaluations
of
the
evolution
of
the
tactics,
techniques
and
procedures
used
by
terrorists,
so
that
law,
enforcement
first
responders
and
security
personnel
can
prevent
and
mitigate
the
risks
presented
by
a
terrorist
attack,
analysis
of
gang
feuds
and
the
likely
targets
and
locations
of
retaliatory
violence.
In
order
to
advise
police
deployments
to
prevent
violence.
I
Analysis
of
the
modus
operandi
related
to
a
crime
series
or
criminal
offenders,
coupled
with
details
surrounding
target
selection
and
the
vulnerabilities
exploited
for
purposes
of
guiding
police
investigations
and
community
awareness
campaigns,
assessments
of
the
size,
scope
and
context
of
special
events
or
mass
crowd.
Events
in
order
to
assist
Public
Safety
and
preparing
for
and
perfecting
the
event
from
outside
threats.
I
Evaluations
of
the
impact
of
opiates
in
Boston's
communities,
along
with
the
identification
of
new
synthetic
derivative
drugs
and
illegal
traffic
and
methodologies
used
to
form
investigative
and
public
health
strategies.
Contrary
to
what
Hollywood
might
suggest,
intelligence
is
not
synonymous
with
Secrets
again.
Intelligence
is
the
end
result
or
product
of
information
that
has
been
prioritised,
gathered
and
analyzed,
and
this
is
ultimately
shared
to
inform
decision-makers.
The
entire
gin,
the
entire
intelligence
cycle
of
prioritizing
gathering,
analyzing,
sharing
and
evaluating,
is
implemented
specifically
for
the
purpose
of
assisting
decision-makers.
I
Intelligence
produced
by
the
brick,
however,
is
often
restricted
from
public
disclosure
in
order
to
protect
the
privacy,
rights
of
victims,
witnesses,
individual
sus
individuals
suspected
of
or
charged
with
criminal
offences,
and
to
protect
the
sensitivities
of
ongoing
law
enforcement
investigations
and
security
plans.
The
protecting
the
protection
of
such
information
is
done
in
accordance
with
state
and
federal
law.
Local
ordinances
and
department
policy
and
BRIC
personnel
are
all
trained
accordingly.
I
The
brick
also
supports
data
preparation
and
analysis
for
department
research
projects,
provides
data
and
finished
analyses
in
response
to
both
public
and
intergovernmental
requests
for
information
and
provides
data
and
analyses
to
support
nongovernmental
organizations
providing
health
and
human
services
to
Boston's
communities.
As
far
as
experience,
training
and
technology
go
the
bricks
sworn
personnel
are
thoughtfully
selected
and
come
from
backgrounds
rich
and
experienced
from
various
investigative
assignments
in
uniform
duties.
I
Their
diversity
is
reflective
of
the
communities
we
serve
in
each
hazard
for
many
years,
providing
community
policing
in
a
multitude
of
city
neighborhoods
all
of
the
bricks
analytic
personnel
have
secondary
education
and
most
have
obtained
or
actively
obtaining
master's
degrees
in
other
forms
of
postgraduate
level.
Education
each
has
been
trained
in
the
applicable
laws,
policies
and
procedures
relevant
to
their
work
responsibilities
and
all
receive
specialized
training
and
analytic
methodology,
tradecraft
and
subject
matter
on
an
annual
basis.
I
All
training
adheres
to
policies,
standards
and
recommendations
developed
by
the
massachusetts
department
of
criminal
justice,
information
services,
our
nation's
numerous
major
law
enforcement
associations,
the
Bureau
of
Justice,
Assistance,
US,
Department
of
Justice,
and
the
US
Department
of
Homeland
Security
and
considerations
for
the
protection
of
privacy.
Civil
rights
and
civil
liberties
is
including
in
nearly
all
training
curriculums.
The
combination
of
sworn
and
civilian
expertise
and
perspectives
in
the
work
conducting
at
the
BRIC
lends
to
high
standards.
Accuracy,
accountability
and
quality
technology
plays
an
important
role
in
supporting
the
work
of
BRIC
personnel.
I
It
is
important
that
intelligence
professionals
are
equipped
with
the
right
tools
to
effectively
and
efficiently
perform
their
duties
and
produce
meaningful
and
useful
intelligence.
Analysts
in
the
BRIC
rely
on
a
variety
of
technologies
to
support
their
responsibilities,
our
selection
and
application
of
technology
as
a
result
of
identified
best
practices
nationally
and
laws,
policies,
guidance
and
recommendations
from
the
US
Department
of
Justice.
I
The
majority
of
technologies
used
by
the
BRIC
are
from
managing
querying
analyzing,
annotating
and
visualizing
qualitative
data
and
relational
data
sets.
The
vast
majority
of
the
information
and
data
used
for
analysis
comes
from
internal
police
reporting
mechanisms,
lawfully
collected
police
data
sources
and
intelligence
shared
by
other
law
enforcement
agencies
in
accordance
with
law
and
policy.
Other
information
and
data
used
is
collected
from
publicly
available
sources
such
as
media
publications,
internet
public
government
reports
and
data
and
academic
publications
and
commercial
datasets.
I
In
closing,
I'd
like
to
reflect
on
some
successes
for
which
the
brick
has
been
recognized
for
the
brick
is
identified
nationally
and
internationally
as
a
model
for
law
enforcement.
Information
sharing
and
analysis
and
its
personnel
are
high,
held
in
very
high
regard
by
law
enforcement
and
public
safety
communities
alike.
The
brick
has
been
the
recipient
of
several
national
level
awards
to
include
fusion
center
of
the
year
and
recognitions
for
its
exceptional
services
in
demonstrating
best
practices
to
the
nation
individually.
I
Both
sworn
and
civilian
personnel
have
received
honors
from
international,
national
and
local
law
enforcement
organizations
to
include
International
Association
of
Chiefs
of
Police,
the
National
fusion
Center
Association,
the
Financial
Crimes
enforcement
Network,
the
National
Alliance
for
Public
Safety,
GIS
foundation,
US,
the
US
Attorney's
Office,
the
Massachusetts
association
of
women
in
law
enforcement
and
the
Boston
Police
Detectives
benevolent
society,
to
name
a
few.
The
men
and
women
of
the
Boston
Regional
Intelligence
Center,
are
dedicated
to
their
profession
and
is
reflected
daily
through
their
tireless
efforts
to
port
to
support
the
city
of
Boston's
public
safety
needs.
I
Since
the
brics
inception,
the
city
of
Boston
has
experienced
steady
decreases
in
crime
annually.
Boston
is
a
safer
City
today,
because
the
bricks
assistance
in
threat
mitigation,
the
identification
of
offenders
and
geographic
locations
where
crime
is
occurring,
which
results
in
more
effective
allocation
of
police
resources
to
specifically
address
crime
and
quality
of
life
issues.
Thank
you.
B
Thank
you
very
much
David
for
that
very
thorough
introduction,
appreciate
that,
for
the
record
we've
been
joined
by
my
good
friend
and
colleague,
counsel
Michael
Flaherty.
My
first
question
is
really
quick.
We
last
social
task
force
social
justice
task
with
meaning.
We
talked
about
the
use
of
drones
and
the
reconstruction
of
crime
scenes.
You
talked
about
a
little
bit
about,
first
of
all,
the
policies
of
other
cities
and
towns
and
states
about
their
drone
technology
and
then,
secondly,
walk
walk
us
through
a
crime
scene.
B
G
From
as
pertains
to
other
cities
and
towns
across
our
great
nation,
we
look
forward
to
reviewing
their
policy
and
how
they
implement
their
drone
technology.
I
know
we
have
some
cities
and
towns
here
in
Massachusetts
and
so
far
the
way
we've
witnessed
their
utilization
is
when
they've
had
missing
persons
with
complications
or,
for
instance,
like
felons
fleeing
into
the
woods
where
we
can
use
the
drone
technology
and
infrared
technology
to
help
locate
those
individuals.
G
G
We
let
everyone
know
about
the
process
of
the
crime
scene
and
what
we're
doing
one
of
the
things
that
we
use
to
help
facilitate
the
investigation
is
aerial
shots
and,
unfortunately,
now
we
need
an
aerial
shop.
We'd
have
to
climb
atop
a
building
or
we'd
have
to
call
in
the
fire
department
to
raise
the
ladder
and
we'd
have
to
send
up
officers
and
investigators
to
take
aerial
photography.
G
What
we're
looking
to
do
with
drone
technology
is
to
help
us
facilitate
crime
scene
management,
so
that,
if
somebody's
some
person
and
loved
one
is
this
on
that
scene,
one
or
two
minutes
is
too
long.
We
want
to
help
facilitate
this,
so
we
can
remove
that
body
as
soon
as
possible
and
as
pertains
to
missing
persons,
especially
missing
what
complications
would
be
children
and
the
elderly.
It's
not
like
TV,
not
everyone
gets
lost
in
the
city,
there's
often
times
where
people
get
lost
in
parks
and
and
in
other
sections
of
our
great
city.
B
Thanks
chief
I
know,
some
of
my
colleagues
came
in
a
little
late.
We're
gonna
keep
it
really
tight.
So
one
question
with
a
follow-up
from
everybody
would
be
great.
We'll
do
a
couple
rounds
if
need
be,
but
I
know
that
people
are.
You
know
just
respectful
of
everybody's
time.
If
you
would
accountable.
C
So
first
I
want
I
want
to
thank
Commissioner
Evans,
even
though
he's
not
here,
because
I've
had
a
conversation
with
him
about
surveillance
and
accountability
and
oversight,
and
particularly
the
idea
of
some
sort
of
policy
to
have
a
policy
in
place
many
times
and
he's
always
been.
Incredibly
supportive
has
always
cited
the
the
benefits
and
the
fact
that
it
there
was
a
better
result
after
doing
that,
in
partnership
with
councilor,
Campbell
and
and
others
on
the
council
around
body
cameras.
C
So
Mike,
one
question
is
what
policies
are
in
place
now
at
the
Department
proactively
and
not
just
retro
actively,
but
ahead
of
time
before
the
purchase
or
use
of
any
potential
new
surveillance
technology
to
guide
that
decision-making?
Are
there
any
standards
in
place
around
community
input,
data
retention,
any
kind
of
checklist
things
that
are
similar
to
what
came
about
through
the
social
justice
task
force.
H
Yes,
so
I
think
it
falls
into
different
categories.
So
if
it's
a
new
type
of
technologies
and
body
cameras
is
a
new
type
of
technology,
drones
are
a
new
type
of
technology,
but
we
focus
on
what
that
technology
produces.
Does
it
produce
data,
and
what
are
we
going
to
do
with
that
data?
How
we're
gonna
use
that
data
in
many
case
in
for
video
AOP?
Are
we
have
retention
policies
that
exist
that
we
apply
to
any
new
technology
that
we
bring
in
for
other
kinds
of
data?
I
think
it
depends.
H
So
we
have
a
30-day
retention
policy
and
we
stick
to
that
policy.
We
apply
that
policy
to
video
ALPR
data,
basically
any
data
that
we're
collecting
proactively
out
in
the
field.
That
is
not
pursuant
to
an
investigation,
other
data
that
you
know,
data
that
comes
in
our
police
reports
and
things
like
that.
There
are
existing
laws
that
guide
how
we
handle
that
data,
how
long
we
retain
it,
how
we
restrict
its
use,
so
we
do
have
policies
laws.
C
Given
that
framework,
or
is
there
something
within
that
framework
that
would
protect
against
or
prevent
or
after
the
fact
kind
of
hold
accountable
if
there
was
a
deviation
from
the
usage
of
that
surveillance,
so
take
the
example
of
drones
and
documenting
crime
scenes
if
somehow,
if
what
what's
to
prevent
the
department
without
any
formalized
sort
of
external
policy
from
using
that
on
a
protest
or
just
over
someone's
home
or
what
are
the
what's
the
framework?
How
does
it
work
apply
to
that
so.
H
We
do
have
an
audit
and
review
group
within
the
police
department
and
they
responsible
for
you
know
ensuring
that
this
internal
compliance
with
policy-
you
know,
particularly
with
in
the
case
of
the
drones
that
you
mentioned
it-
would
be
a
deviation
from
policy
that
you
know
would
be
addressed.
That
way.
J
B
B
D
You
councillor
McCarthy,
so
just
to
follow
up
on
a
couple
of
council
rules.
Points
I
too
want
to
thank
Commissioner
Evans
when
this
was
scheduled.
He
did
have
this
conference
and
I
know
he's
gonna
continue
to
follow
this
and,
like
you
said
chief,
this
is
the
one
of
many
conversations.
I
think
it's
important
that
we
at
least
get
in
the
same
page
about
the
importance
of
establishing
an
ordinance
of
some
sort
to
address
this
issue.
D
I
said
this:
at
the
last
social
justice
taskforce
meeting
that
the
body
cameras
were
a
great
example
of
us
putting
forth
a
policy
that
was
community
informed.
If
people
had
an
opportunity
to
weigh
in
even
those
folks
who
didn't
want
the
technology
but
said
okay,
it's
coming.
How
can
I
still
weigh
in
in
some
way
in
a
meaningful
way,
so
that
was
helpful,
but
obviously
all
of
us
aren't
gonna
be
at
least
I
won't
and
maybe
ten
years
or
so.
D
If
we
have
done
that,
we
need
to
acknowledge
that
and
always
admit
that
we
can
do
better.
I.
Think
I
just
have
one
question
to
maybe
set
the
conversation
or
to
add
to
the
conversation,
which
is
what
technologies
are
currently
being
used
by
the
department,
and
this
may
be
a
long
list
and
if
it
is
I
think
if
we
could
get
that
in
writing
in
some
way
to
be
able
to
share
with
folks.
Well
what
technology
is.
Obviously
body
cameras
is
coming
drones.
K
H
It
actually,
it
begins
with
the
9-1-1
system,
when
someone
calls
911
one
that
creates
a
an
entry
in
a
database
that
allows
us
to
respond.
We
have
a
computer-aided
dispatch
system
that
works
with
the
9-1-1
system.
It
passes
the
data
to
that
and
that
you
know
tracks
the
location
of
the
police,
cars
or
the
ambulance
or
the
fire
truck
as
it
responds
and
keeps
track
of
the
response
times
and
things
like
that.
H
H
We
have
an
F
io
module
in
there
we
have
an
evidence
tracking
module,
so
that
is
sort
of
a
a
big
system.
That
does
a
lot
of
that.
A
lot
of
that
handles
a
lot
of
the
business
for
the
police
department.
There
are
other
systems
in
the
crime
lab
they
have.
You
know
technology
systems
the
brick
has
has
has
some
systems
that
they
manage.
H
H
A
OPR
does
fall
into
that
category,
where
it
just
sits
and
records
data,
and
that
data
as
I
mentioned,
is
retained
for
30
days
if
an
investigation
is
underway-
and
there
is
data
in
the
system
relevant
to
that
investigation
and
that
data
is
retrieved
from
a
system
within
that
30
days.
It
goes
into
a
different
bucket
into
the
investigative
system.
But
if
that
doesn't
happen
that
that
data
it
goes
away
after
30
days,
so.
D
I
just
add
just
an
interest
of
time,
I
think.
Obviously,
as
these
conversations
continue,
we
think
about
what
an
ordinance,
what
technology
and
ordinance
should
apply
to.
What
is
the
criteria
right?
What
are
the
factors
that
we
look
at
to
determine?
Which
technologies
should
we
be
talking
about
which
technologies
should
sort
of
be
covered
by
an
ordinance?
I
think
is
a
big
part
of
the
question.
G
G
Just
like
with
body-worn
cameras,
we
want
the
inputs
before
we
write
policy.
We
want
to
know
everybody's
opinion
about,
what's
too
intrusive
or
not
and
I
think
that's
the
way
to
go,
and
the
City
Council
here
folks
is
a
great
checks
and
balance
system
to
make
sure
we're
on
track.
And
again
we
look
forward
to
having
meetings
to
get
folks
input
in.
L
L
I
think
the
words
you
use
are
about
transparency
and
openness.
I
would
also
add
to
that
list,
consent
from
those
who
are
being
watched.
So
when
it
comes
to
I'll
just
say
two
quick
questions,
one
is
to
to
to
the
Boston
Police
Department,
and
that
is:
do
you
have
any
objections
to
actually
coming
to
the
City
Council
for
direct
approval
for
any
additional
surveillance
equipment,
any
additional
surveillance
policy?
L
All
of
that
to
come
to
us
before
you
purchase,
borrow
or
use
anything
going
forward
as
a
general
policy,
and
then,
when
it
comes
to
brick
and
the
representative,
do
you
have
any
objections
to
giving
us
annual
reports
of
how
we
have
been
watched?
All
the
phone
calls
other
social
media,
all
of
the
emails
that
you
have
observed
just
numbers
just
telling
us
exactly
at
this
moment
an
annual
report
or
biannual
report
showing
us
how
much
you've
been
watching
at
least
those
in
the
City
of
Boston.
So
those
two
direct
questions:
okay,.
G
G
And
to
let
you
know
why
we
think
that
technology
is
necessary,
especially
as
pertains
to
domestic
preparedness.
Our
city's
been
attacked
twice
by
terrorism,
and
so
we
always
want
to
be
ahead
of
the
game
and
anything
that
will
help
ensure
the
safety
of
the
citizens.
We're
perfectly
willing
to
have
that
discussion.
Man
to.
G
I
A
I
G
B
Right,
thank
you
before
I
hand
it
over
to
council
Flynn.
We
do
have
some
rules
in
the
council
hearing
regarding
clapping
snapping,
stomping,
yelling
and
signs
as
well.
So
if
you
can
Louis
signs,
no
snap
and
no
clapping,
if
you
want
give
a
thumbs
up,
you
can
go
ahead,
but
it's
a
bit
intimidating
when
people
are
clapping
and
snap,
and
so
we
do
have
a
rule
in
the
hearing.
Not
to
do
that.
So
I
appreciate
your
efforts,
counsel,
Flint,.
E
Thank
You
counsel,
McCarthy
chief
I,
just
had
one
question:
is
there
any
example
that
you
could
give
us
in
your
career,
maybe
over
the
last
several
years,
where
shot
spot
or
or
drones
or
Weiss
and
plate
leaders
have
helped
you
or
help
the
Boston
police
solve
a
crime
and
benefit
the
community?
Just
give
us
an
example
of
the
effectiveness
of
some
of
these
tools.
We.
G
Begin
with
shot
spotter
technology
before
that
technology
was
available
for
we
placed
sensors
throughout
the
city
to
help
us
identify
where
firearms
were
being
discharged.
We
were
kind
of
our
own
shot
spotters,
you'd
have
to
guess.
We
get
a
call
to
911
one
saying:
shots
were
fired
in
this
area.
Well,
under
the
shots,
part
of
technology
is
able
to
locate
where
the
shots
are
being
fired
within
25
feet.
G
That's
very
important
as
pertains
to
deployment
before
we
deploy
several
cost
cards
to
the
area,
to
try
to
find
out
where
those
shots
were
being
just
starts
from
and
to
locate,
ballistics
evidence.
So
shots
part
of
technology
allows
us
to
respond
to
that
immediate
area
not
send
in
four
or
five
cards
to
that
one
immediate
area,
but
to
kind
of
set
up
a
perimeter
to
hopefully
catch
someone
fleeing
from
that
area,
so
that
technology
is
very
important
and
also
when
we
do
make
an
arrest.
G
We
kind
of
have
that
documented
and
we
have
technicians
from
shot
spotter
they're
available
to
help
testify
to
bring
a
case
through
to
fruition
kind
of
the
same
things
for
license-plate
recognition.
If
a
crime
occurs
in
an
area
it
doesn't
have
to
be
shots,
it
could
have
been
somebody
that,
unfortunately,
struck
struck
an
individual.
You
know
motor
vehicle
homicide
and
those
cameras
would
be
set
up
in
in
certain
areas.
So
if
somebody
had
a
partial
registration
plate,
were
you
able
to?
Hopefully
that
would
be
captured
on
camera.
G
As
for
drones,
we
haven't
implemented
that
yet,
and
we
definitely
have
to
have
more
meetings
to
get
the
opinions
of
everyone
here
and
first
to
educate
people
about
how
we
want
to
implement
them.
I've
already
spoken
to
several
folks,
I
can't
say
here
what
I'm
always
talking
to
folks
in
the
community
and
Hawaii
heard
some
things
that,
like
wow,
we
never
said.
We
use
drones
that
way.
I've
talked
to
people
that
literally
think
we're
gonna
have
drones
following
them
around.
G
If
you
get
outside
outside
of
a
function
at
a
high
schooler
and
I
have
drones
following
you
around.
That
is
not
our
intent
at
all.
So
I
look
forward
to
the
meeting,
so
we
can
educate
the
city
of
Boston
about
how
we
want
to
implement
the
drones
and,
of
course,
facilitate
that
checks
and
balance
system
so
that
we're
not
too
intrusive
and
we
do
have
input
before
policy
is
implemented.
F
You
mr.
chair,
certainly
one
again
say.
Thank
you.
The
last
time
the
Commissioner
was
here.
I
was
able
to
thank
him
personally
for
the
work
that
he's
done
certainly
want
to
extend
that
to
you,
chief
members
of
your
team.
You
know,
as
I
mentioned,
this
is
really
about
striking
that
balance
of
how
we
don't
fall
down
the
slippery
slippery
slope
of
infringing
upon
people's
civil,
their
civil
liberties
and
their
rights
right
and
how
we
keep
our
community
safe.
F
At
the
same
time,
you
know
communities
of
color
whether
we're
talking
about
poor
folks,
Muslims,
our
immigrant
brothers
and
sisters.
We
need
to
make
sure
that
we're
all
safe.
You
know,
I
appreciate
your
commitment,
around
transparency
and
being
open.
I
think
that's
very
important.
The
fact
that
you
want
to
come
before
this
body
around
purchases
I
think
that's
very
important.
Just
to
follow
up
on
a
question
I
heard
earlier.
F
I
think
it
was
a
superintendent
mentioned.
The
internal
review
run
an
audit
and
I'm
just
how
we
really
incorporate
community
control
and
make
sure
beyond
the
City
Council
that
we're.
Having
more
of
these
conversations
where
people
residents
in
our
city,
the
community
can
can
come
and
hear
the
reports
and
hear
what's
happening,
how
do
we
incorporate
that?
It's
not
just
an
internal
body
that
is
looking
at
the
data
and
looking
at
when
surveillance
is
being
used
and
how
it's
being
used.
But
how
do
we
kind
of
open
up
the
process?
So
there
really
is
transparency.
H
H
H
I
was
I,
think
I
was
focusing
in
the
wrong
in
the
wrong
area,
so
I
think
as
far
as
how
we
use
technology
what
technology
were
using,
what
data
we're
gathering
that's
all
guided
by
our
policy
and
our
policies
should
be
open
and
open
to
the
public
and
open
for
scrutiny.
Sometimes,
new
technologies
can
push
the
boundaries
of
existing
policies
and
that's
when
I
think
we
should
have
a
much
more
delivered.
Deliberative
public
process
like
we
did
with
the
body
cameras
where
we
we
look
at.
H
G
Council,
you,
you
are
representing
your
constituency,
so
we
can
definitely
have
those
conversations
and
education
is,
is
its
key
when
you're
discussing
new
technology,
if
you
don't
have,
if
you
don't
educate
your
constituency,
if
we
don't
educate
the
people
that
we
serve,
then
it's
gonna
be
led
by
stereotypical
views
and
negative
perceptions.
So
the
type
of
meetings
that
you're
looking
to
have
will
help
educate
everybody
about
how
they're
being
served
and
by
what
measure,
so
that.
F
I,
you
know
and
I
know
that
there
are
many
folks
here,
as
you
can
see
in
this
room
who
have
taken
the
time
to
educate
themselves,
I
think
really
just
making
sure
that
there's
a
real
partnership
is
important
to
me
and
I'm
happy
to
think
about
how
we
move
forward
through
whether
it's
working
sessions,
whether
it's
community
meetings
with
you
I'm
happy
to
do
that
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
people
have
a
seat
at
the
table.
Thank
you.
Yes,.
K
L
H
K
I
would
wonder
how
much
of
that
we
could
actually
learn
from
in
order
to
improve
practice.
Mepd
I
think
it's
I
think
it's
really
important
if
we're
we're
talking
about
our
response
as
a
city
to
a
snowstorm
or
we're
talking
about
a
response
to
something.
That's
happened
within
your
department,
whether
we're
talking
about
something
that's
happened
to
Boston
Public
Schools,
which
is
my
favorite.
The.
G
G
G
K
H
K
I
think
anyone
during
the
medical
field,
when
they
decide
to
do
sort
of
a
intensive
look
at
a
particular
case.
How
are
they,
how
are
they
choosing
that
case?
Sometimes
it's
done
randomly,
but
I
think
having
having
a
method
to
the
to
the
process
is
really
important,
both
from
a
research
perspective
and
an
audit
perspective,
but
then
also
I
think
as
a
way
to
make
sure
that
you're
capturing
a
healthy
and
appropriate
sampling
of
the
different
types
of
cases
that
might
become
before
that.
For
that
group,
social,
great
I,
think
that's
it.
M
The
sheer
numbers
of
people
in
the
hall
today
and
those
that
are
falling
online
shows
what
an
important
issue
this
is
and
I
know,
as
has
been
said
by
my
colleagues,
that
we
all
obviously
a
paramount
goal,
is
protecting
folks,
civil
liberties
and
making
sure
that
we
can
run
as
transparent
a
process
as
possible.
For
my
first
question
this
round,
though,
chief
and
anyone
else
can
jump
in,
can
you
talk
a
little
bit
about
the
uniqueness
of
Boston
that
we
are
a
I
would
say
a
world-class
City,
a
major
American
city.
M
G
Hit
it
on
the
head,
Boston
is
unique
and
historically
this
country
itself
began
here
in
Boston
and
it
began
because
people
wanted
their
rights
protected.
So
we're
keenly
aware
of
that
as
well,
but
Boston
we
have
a
winning
city
so
to
speak.
So,
despite
our
Patriots
parades,
Red
Sox,
Bruins
Celtics,
we
have
other
special
events
that
take
place.
The
women's
March
that
you
mentioned
that's
a
hundred
and
seventy-five
thousand
people,
and
that's
a
hundred
and
seventy-five
thousand
people
that
we
have
to
protect
and
make
sure
their
rights
are
protect
protected
as
well.
G
So,
for
example,
or
by
example,
we
went
from
a
horse
to
a
car
from
a
call
box
to
a
radio
from
written
reports
to
computerized
reports,
meaning
that
were
always
looking
to
improve
the
department
and
the
improvement
sometimes
come
through
inevitable
technology,
whether
it's
camera
systems,
updating
the
computers,
updated
telecommunication.
When
you
have
a
metropolis,
such
as
ours
that
is
successful,
and
then
we
host
many
events,
including
the
marathon.
N
You,
mr.
chairman
and
good
afternoon,
chief
and
superintendent
and
appreciate
you
taking
the
time
to
be
here,
chief,
you
and
I
have
had
multiple
discussions
over
the
years
about
civil
liberties,
community
policing,
crime,
stats
prevention
and
intervention
clearance
rates,
body
cameras,
shot
spotter,
bringing
back
the
mounted
unit
and
everything
included.
N
So
I
find
you
to
be
arguably
probably
one
of
the
most
accessible
and
approachable,
fair
and
honest
Chiefs
that
the
city's
ever
had
on
the
Boston,
Police
Department
so
and
I
also
know
that
your
citywide
you're
everywhere,
because
I'm
citywide
and
I
see
you
everywhere
and
you
you
have
lots
of
conversations
with
lots
of
people.
I
just
really
want
to
get
a
sense
and
and
really
just
also
as
an
african-american
male
like
like
what
are
you
hearing
from
the
public.
N
I
know
that
there
are
folks
that
have
major
concerns
and
some
don't
want
the
surveillance,
cameras
whatsoever
and
Phil
it's
an
arrangement.
And
then
you
know
just
yesterday,
council
of
fun
and
I
met
with
mothers
from
the
three
public
housing
developments
in
South,
Boston,
multi-ethnic
group
of
women,
who
very
much
want
to
see
more
police
presence,
more
foot
patrols.
They
want
ShotSpotter.
They
would
like
to
have
surveillance
because
they're,
fearful
of
things
that
are
going
on
within
the
developments
but
they're
also
fearful
for
their
kids.
N
N
Yes,
sir,
but
I
put
a
lot
of
value
in
your
experiences
because
you
are
approachable,
you
are
accessible
and
you
have
these
conversations
in
every
corner
of
the
city
and
I
really
like
to
get
a
sense
from
you
as
to
like
what
are
people
saying
to
you
and
that's
from
our
youth
and
kids
in
our
school
and
our
seniors
and
everybody
in
between
you
know
what
do
they
want?
What
do
they
want?.
G
G
G
And
what
can
you
say
to
to
that
person,
except
that
will
utilize
whatever
we
have
to
utilize,
but
we
have
to
be
fair
to
everyone
else,
but
as
for
change
to
people
being
shot
and
violent
crime
and
helping
to
identify
people
that
are
pressing
those
numbers
and
it's
not
everybody,
it's
1
or
2
percent.
So
people
want
that
technology.
But
again
we
have
to
be
fair.
We
have
to
strike
that
balance.
G
They
see
what's
happening
outside
of
the
Commonwealth
of
Massachusetts.
They
see
what's
happening
across
our
great
nation
and
I'm
very
proud
when
I
am
approached
by
the
young
people
in
the
city
who
are
telling
me
how
they
feel,
and
so,
though,
the
unfocus
that
I've
talked
to
they
just
don't
want
drones
following
them
around,
especially
if
they
look
a
certain
way,
dress
a
certain
way
or
speak
a
certain
way.
They
do
not
want
to
be
stereotyped
so
with
BPD.
G
They
want
to
ensure
that
we're
not
stereotyping
and
that
we're
not
violating
anyone's
rights
and
that
we're
not
to
play
the
blame
game
just
because
of
where
you
came
from
what
you
look
like
or
what
your
opinion
is:
I'll
close
it
with
seniors,
I,
love
seniors.
They
have
no
filter,
so
they
really
tell
you
your
grandmother's
and
grandfathers
and
aunts
and
uncles.
They
really
tell
it
like
it
is,
and
I
really
like
talking
to
the
seniors,
because
you
have
to
educate
them
about
the
technology
and
I
think
that's
beneficial
for
everyone.
G
Everyone
assumes
we
know
about
drones.
We
assume
we
know
everything
about
cameras,
but
one
thing:
I
learned
about
the
seniors
that
aren't
as
pretty
as
we
are
to
modern
technology
and
when
we
know
about
it,
I
really
am
I
really
do
like
explaining
step
by
step
by
step,
so
they
get
it
because
they
have
the
matriarch
some
patriarchs,
that
the
families
who
are
gonna
explain
things
when
we're
not
there
from
just
from
those
three
groups
alone.
G
Those
are
the
issues
and
concern
that
I've
heard
and
especially
from
the
young
folks
I
know
one
thing:
they
want
their
voice
to
be
heard
and
they
wanted
to
be
included
in
the
discussion.
They
don't
want
to
think
that
the
city
councilors,
the
Boston
Police,
are
the
ones
dictating
policy
to
them
without
hearing
their
voice.
So
that's
what
I
heard.
N
Sir
good
and
I
know
you're
ahead
in
your
hearts
in
the
right
place.
Obviously
trust
the
commissioner
and
I
trust
your
ability,
as
well
as
superintending,
the
rest
of
your
team.
No
one's
perfect
BPD
makes
mistakes.
City
councillors
make
mistakes.
Everyone
quite
frankly
makes
mistakes,
but
I
think
it's
the
continued
working
together
to
sort
of
move.
Our
city
forward,
which
I
think
is
a
large
part
of
our
success
on
the
community
policing
side,
but
also
we're
a
model
across
the
country.
We're
not
perfect,
but
we.
N
Those
incidents,
and
just
finally,
we
all
know-
and
you
I
think
you
actually
might
have
been
together
when
this
happened,
but
we
were
in
the
Dorchester
Day
Parade.
It
was
either
last
year
the
year
before
and
there
were
actually
drones
along
the
parade
route
and
they
weren't
they
weren't
out
was
they
weren't
BPD's?
There
was
so
and
I
think
folks
should
know
that
that
anyone
has
access
I.
Guess
you
probably
buy
the
things
on
the
internet
right,
but
everyone
has
access
to
these
and
they
have
them
and
they're
flying
them
around.
N
So
whatever
it's
worth,
I
mean
that's
where
we're
going
on
the
technology
side
and
something
I
talked
to
the
police
commissioner
about
last
week
and
we've
had
a
rash
of
car
breaks
and
folks
walking
into
people's
hallways
and
going
onto
their
porches
still
in
their
packages,
and
people
are
less
inclined
to
call
9-1-1
these
days
and
more
inclined
to
upload
the
video
from
the
approach
or
from
their
home
surveillance
camera
on
Facebook.
And
then
it
just
goes
crazy
viral.
N
You
know
so
we
have
folks
a
little
worried
about
I,
guess,
infringement
of
privacy,
but
we're
seeing
it
on
it.
I
can
go
onto
Facebook
now
and
there's
gonna
be
someone
in
my
neighborhood
stealing
a
package
or
breaking
into
a
car
that
got
caught
last
night
on
someone's
surveillance
camera.
They
don't
want
to
take
time
to
go
down
ac6
to
fill
out
a
report
to
meet
with
the
detective,
lawful
work
so
and
they
kind
of
feel
a
little
embarrassed.
N
Maybe
that's
their
car
open
or
maybe
they
should
have
taken
the
package
in
so
instead
of
just
having
it
invade
sort
of
you
know
their
life,
they
just
upload
it
and
then
it
goes
crazy
and
everyone
then
next
thing
you
know
name
saw
that
looks
like
that
looks
like
you
know
that
looks
like
cross.
It
looks
like
flower
idea
and
then
there's
the
chata
stats
and
then
lo
and
behold
is
an
apprehension
based
on
Facebook
all
right.
That's
what
we're
going
sometimes.
N
My
former
colleague
and
former
City
Council
Rob
cansado
literally
brought
shots
body
here
in
that,
so
the
gun,
acoustic
technology
started
in
a
hearing
just
like
this
here
and
it
was
implemented,
and
it
was
a
very
helpful
tool
to
at
least
differentiate
between
backfiring
cars,
fireworks
in
actually
a
firearm
discharged
and
then
the
circle
stats
as
to
if
someone
was
on
foot,
they
were
on
a
bike
or
they're
on
a
car
is
to
what
direction
they
could
have
fled.
That
has
actually
helped
lead
to
apprehensions
and,
having
had
a
relative,
you
know
murdered
violently.
N
Nothing
like
you
know,
an
arrest
and
conviction
of
someone
that
has
stole
someone
from
your
family
and
when
justice
prevails.
You
know,
on
behalf
of
the
family,
that
loved
ones
not
coming
back
in
the
door,
but
you
feel
like
you've
done
your
job
in
preserving
and
respecting
sort
of
their
Worth
and
their
memory
and
your
partner
with
the
police
department,
and
you
try
to
give
them
whatever
information
you
can.
That
can
lead
to
an
apprehension
in
or
arrest
and
conviction
of
your
loved
one,
and
you
want
it
done
right
and
he
misstep
along.
N
The
way
you
know
can
lead
to
you
know
an
acquittal
law
or
not
even
being
able
to
charge.
So
it's
it's
critical
for,
particularly
for
victims
of
violent
crime
and
their
families
that
we
do
the
best
we
can
to
engage
in
have
at
our
disposal
every
piece
of
technology
we're
in
a
CSI
world
these
days.
Everyone
thinks
that
the
crimes
gonna
be
solved
and
that
sort
of
got
you
a
moment,
but
at
the
end
of
the
day
you
need
community
participation.
You
need
witnesses,
you
need
descriptions,
you
need
license-plate
numbers,
you
need
clothing
colors.
N
All
of
it
is
part
of
how
we
can
continue
to
work
together.
So
my
hope
is
that
out
of
this
discussion,
we'll
continue
to
make
strides
on
all
fronts
and
will
continue
to
work
together,
but
I
trust
your
judgment
on
it,
because
I
know
that
you
have
you
give
people
your
air,
you
give
them
your
attention,
and
that
means
a
lot
to
me.
Citywide
so
appreciate.
G
B
You
mister
Thank,
You,
council
Flaherty
will
quickly
go
through
another
round
if
need
be.
My
quick
question
would
be
something
that
we
talked
about
at
the
social
justice
task
force,
meaning
council
Flaherty
brought
up
ShotSpotter,
which
is
very
effective
not
only
to
help
the
community,
but
certainly
to
help
the
police
officers,
knowing
what
type
of
weapon
was
fired.
What
they're
ready
to
engage
you
know
if
it
was
a
firecracker
or
not.
They
know
they're
not
going
into
a
situation
where
they're
in
danger.
B
We
can
keep
police
officers
calm,
going
into
situation
or
get
them
on
high
alert.
If
they
do
need
be,
can
you
talk
a
little
bit
about
what
we
talked
about
briefly
with
I
think
was
the
New
York
police
that
have
technology
of
cell
phones
that
were
given
to
them
which
shots
bought
a
technology?
So
every
police
officer
has
ShotSpotter
technology
on
their
body
which
may,
in
the
long
term,
save
somebody's
life
and
or
capture
somebody
more
quickly.
So.
G
New
York
Police
Department
has
equipped
all
of
their
officers
with
smartphones
for
smartphone
technologies.
Technology.
Excuse
me
some
of
the
same
applications
that
they
have
on
their
computer,
aided
dispatch
in
their
cars
or
their
mobile
data
terminal
in
their
cars.
Rather
now
you
can
have
it
on
a
cell
phone.
No,
it's
pertains
to
shot
spotter.
Once
someone
fires
is
discharged.
As
a
firearm
in
the
city
of
Boston,
it's
located
by
a
sensor,
then
that's
immediately
reported
to
a
dispatcher
who
then
types
it
out
to
the
officers
mobile
data
terminal
as
well
as
broadcast
it
out.
G
That's
a
delay.
I
have
ShotSpotter
technology
on
my
phone,
the
instant
that
a
shot
is
detected.
It
goes
off
on
my
phone
and
instead
of
an
officer
waiting
to
get
that
information,
he
or
she
will
immediately
have
that
shot,
speed
or
spot
information,
and
they
may
be
right
in
that
area.
So
it's
a
more
efficient
deployment
as
a
result
of
everyone
having
that
immediate
technology
at
the
tips
of
their
fingers,
and
it's
worked
very
well
in
New
York
and
we're
looking
to
to
implement
that
here.
G
H
Application
for
the
ShotSpotter
can
actually
play
back
those
shots.
They
get
a
lot
more
detailed
information
in
the
past.
There
would
be
a
dialogue
back
and
forth
to
the
dispatcher.
You
know
where
was
it
exactly
relative
to
this
tree?
The
officer
now
can
look
on
his
phone
and
see
where
those
shots
were
registered
and
then
play
back
those
shots
to
listen.
If
it
was
a
automatic
fire
or
semi
automatic,
you
know
the
logic
alibi,
small
caliber,
so
it
gives
them
a
lot
more
information
and.
G
As
well
there's
a
geomap
tool,
so
we
hit
the
location
where
the
shots
are
you
get
a
Google
Earth
view?
You
can
actually
follow
the
area's
elongate,
your
search,
and
you
have
a
picture
of
that
area.
So
you'll
know
if
it's
an
apartment,
building
in
an
alleyway
right
or
in
a
park
you
will
know
as
well
as
as
the
superintendent
alluded
to
you
have
much
more
information
at
hand.
G
The
shots
part
of
technology
will
go
from
24
hours
to
3
days
to
7
days,
so
you're
actually
able
to
go
back
and
look
at
a
patterns
of
shots
in
those
areas
and
that's
definitely
instrumental
to
officer
safety
as
well
as
civilian
safety.
We're
able
to
have
that
technology
at
hand
for
better
deployment.
C
H
I
Sure
so,
as
far
as
as
databases
that
that
the
brick
or
the
department
feeds
data
into,
we
have
some
shared
information
systems,
but
we're
not.
We
don't
actively
populate
other
databases
that
have
implications
beyond
the
city
of
Boston.
We
share
information
to
law
enforcement
through
through
a
variety
of
mechanisms
into
other
partners
through
the
processes
that
I
described
before
we,
we
produce
some
type
of
an
analytic
product
that
might
provide
a
description
of
like
the
who.
I
What
when,
where
how
and
why
of
a
circumstance
that
related
to
crime
and
then
depending
on
the
nature
of
that
and
who
that
information
is
applicable
to,
we
will
share
that
with
either
a
very
narrow
group
of
law
enforcement,
depending
on
the
sensitivities
that
are
included.
If,
if
it
is
not
that
sensitive,
but
it
is
more
for
general
awareness
or
protect,
perhaps
for
some
type
of
public's
general
public
safety
or
protective
purposes.
We
redact
information
to
protect
privacy,
civil
rights
and
civil
liberties
to
make
sure
that
we
do
not
divulge
investigative
details.
I
That
could
impact
an
investigation,
and
then
we
might
send
that
out
to
a
broader
audience.
Something
like
that
might
include
other
public
safety
officials
and
raw
involved
in
the
the
initial
response
to
an
incident
or
protection
of
an
incident,
things
that
might
have
national
implications.
We
would.
We
would
send
that
then
to
a
broad
audience
that
has
both
a
right
and
a
need-to-know
and
according
to
law,
is
able
to
view
that
information.
So
there's
there's
something
in
John.
You
can
allude
to
this
a
little
bit
more,
it's
weak.
I
We
call
it
CJIs
criminal
justice
information
systems
right
there's.
There
are
a
lot
of
laws
and
policy
around
how
that
type
of
information
can
be
shared.
Some
of
that
might
be
what's
called
quarry,
sensitive
information,
criminal
offender
registry
information
and
once
we
start
getting
into
the
details
of
personal
identifiable
information,
the
breath
in
which
we
can
share
information
is
reduced
substantially
because
it
can
really
only
be
shared
with
those
that
are
authorized
to
see
it
and.
C
H
I
think
there's
two
types
of
data:
there
is
that
case,
specific
data
and
then
there's
aggregate
data
data
sets
we're
very
stingy
with
our
data
sets
I
think
so.
The
frustration
of
some
of
our
partners
in
law
enforcement
and
others,
but
they're
a
lot
of
the
aggregate
data
that
we
maintain
is
also
public
record.
So
if
it's
public
record,
we
share
it,
we
share
it
with
whoever
wants
it,
whoever
asks
for
it.
H
C
So
when,
in
from
one
system
that
has
come
up
a
few
times
as
I've
been
hearing
from
folks
in
the
community
is
cop
link,
can
you
tell
us
more
about
that
and
how
does
that
mean
that
federal
immigration
authorities
are
privy
to
information
that
BPD
is
using,
or
what
exactly
do
you
do
with
that
system?
So.
C
H
So
when
someone
is
arrested,
we
check
their
identity
through
the
the
federal
systems,
so
we
send
the
fingerprints
to
a
clearinghouse
at
the
state.
The
state
sends
that
to
the
FBI,
it's
our
understanding
that
the
FBI
shares
that
broadly
at
the
federal
level.
But
that
is
that's-
that's
just
a
regulation
that
we
adhere
to.
C
And
then
this
is
my
last
one
for
this
round,
I
think
in
terms
of
video-
and
we
know,
we've
talked
a
lot
about
new
technology
and
technology
that
we
might
not
even
be
able
to
predict
and
how
to
put
guidelines
of
them
around
that,
but
sort
of
traditional
cameras
that
are
either
city
owned
or
through
agreements
or
partnerships
with
local
business
owners
or
other
folks
in
the
community.
It
seems,
like
that's,
been
one
tool
that
also
has
been
the
use
has
been
expanding.
So
what
are
the
frameworks
around
that
and
in
data
retention,
access,
etc?
C
H
We
maintain
a
network
of
cameras
that
are
maintained
by
the
police
department
and
then
there
are
additional
cameras
that
are
maintained
at
the
city
level
for
Transportation
Department,
because
cameras
and
video
footage
is
so
valuable
to
us
for
solving
crimes.
After
the
fact
we
we
record
all
of
those
cameras
in
the
city
that
we
that
we
have
access
to
by
agreement
with
those
departments,
but
we
retain
that
video
for
30
days.
H
That's
a
great
point,
so
we
do
not
apply
any
video
analytics.
We
do
not
apply
any
data.
Algorithms,
any
artificial
intelligence
to
any
of
our
data
sets
in
the
future,
we'll
reevaluate
that,
because
this
is
emerging
technology,
but
at
this
point
we
we
think
the
the
cost
outweighs
the
benefits
as
far
as
what
it
could
give
us
and
sort
of
the
perception
and
the
damage
it
might
do
to
public
confidence.
Thank.
D
Campbell,
thank
you
guys
and
thank
you,
council
wolf
for
some
of
your
line
of
questioning,
which
was
similar
to
some
questions.
I
had
I'm
just
for
the
think
of
times.
They
know
we
have
a
lot
of
folks
want
to
testify.
There's
another
panel
of
folks.
We
absolutely
want
to
hear
from.
Is
there
a
way
that
just
the
brick
and
BPD
can
provide
the
council
with
a
list
of
technologies
that
are
used
for
surveillance?
D
If
we're
participating
in
a
program,
can
we
actually
just
at
least
articulate
what
programs
do
we
participate
in
where
we're
giving
or
sharing
data
that
is
surveillancing
people
where
we
may
be
getting
funding
to
do
that?
If
we
could
sort
of
have
a
few
of
those,
those
three
things
broken
down
three
different
lists.
That
would
be
helpful
because
I
think
we
could
be
here
all
day
talking
about
all
of
the
breasts
of
Technology
and
not
get
to
either
the
next
panel
or
folks
in
the
audience.
I
think.
H
G
H
A
federal
investigator
asks
for
information
pursuant
to
an
investigation
and
supplies
sufficient
documentation.
You
know
to
support
that.
You
will
share
data
just
like
we
would.
You
know
with
the
state
police
or
you
know
the
Arlington
police,
but
we
don't
have
any.
We
don't
open
open
any
data,
no
special
access,
so.
D
I
Participating
in
the
Joint
Terrorism
Task
Force,
it
means
that
so
for
us,
Boston
Police
Department
commits
resources
and
personnel
to
the
Joint
Terrorism
Task
Force.
That
is
a
task
force
that
is
statutorily
responsible
for
investigating
acts
of
terrorism.
So
anybody
that
is
part
of
that
Joint
Terrorism
Task
Force
becomes
an
FBI
Task
Force
member
out
of
Austin
Police
Department,
the
deployment
of
those
men
and
women
come
out
of
the
Boston
Regional
Intelligence
Center.
They
function
under
policy
of
the
federal
government.
I
Very
strict
policy
I
mean
as
far
as
from
from
a
simple
as
far
as
simple
terms
goes:
it's
no
different
than
the
law
enforcement
policy
that
we
operate
under
for
Boston
Police
Department.
There
might
be
some
different
nuances
to
feds
versus
state
versus
local,
but
for
the
most
part
it's
the
same
thing.
I
I
will
say
on
the
record
that
I
am
not
familiar
with
any
programs
that
exist
that
are
intended
to
violate
any
type
of
constitutional
rights.
I
D
Just
just
for
the
sake
of
time
and
David,
no
I
hear
you
I,
think
ya
know
there.
Every
policy
right
is
intended
to
not
be
discriminatory
not
to
have
a
disparate
impact
on
certain
communities
of
color,
but
sometimes
it
shows
up
differently
in
practice
for
our
citizens,
and
so
folks
have
come
forward
to
say
certain
policies
or
the
way
in
which
we
wanted
to
certain
folks
is
having
a
negative
impact
on
their
community.
D
Yes,
and
so
we
of
course
want
to
make
sure
that
we're
listening
to
those
folks
and
then
making
adjustments
in
any
way,
so
I
I
think
what
would
be
helpful
to
me
from
this
space
is
just
having
a
sense
of
where
BPD
shows
up
in
surveillance
programs.
So,
for
example,
with
the
task
force,
you're
working
with
the
federal
government
around
terrorism
obviously
very
important.
D
I
I
Activity,
the
majority
of
the
time
and
I
mean
the
vast
majority
of
the
time
is
going
to
happen
under
the
careful
strict
guidance
of
a
court
issued
warrant,
which
means
that
a
judge
has
been
convinced
that
there
is
enough
probable
cause
there
to
actually
use
invasive
types
of
technology,
and
I
was
what
I
wanted
to
try
to
get
across
in
my
opening
statements
here
is
that
the
amount
of
times
that
that
is
what
is
going
on
surveillance
is
slim
to
none.
It's
it's
a
Mis
inception.
I
D
I
D
Our
constituents
and,
frankly
not
just
rely
on
one
group
of
folks
to
say
this
is
what
we
do
another
group
of
folks,
including
some
errands.
This
is
what
we
do,
but
having
a
list
of
a
starting
place
would
be
helpful,
particularly
as
we
think
about
how
we
develop
in
ordinance
or
policy,
or
something
that
governs
all
of
these
three
different
things.
D
Whether
it's
surveillance,
technology
or
technology
is
being
used
to
gather
information,
data
collection
technology
being
used
for
that
purpose,
whether
it's
a
small
businesses
or
our
street
lights,
traffic,
whatever
it
is
it'd,
be
nice
I
would
list
so
that
we're
all
in
the
same
page,
when
developing
a
policy
to
govern
this,
and
also
defining
the
role
that
council
and
other
departments
could
play
in
making
sure
that
the
community
is
where
what's
happening.
Yes,
ma'am.
Thank
you
very
much.
L
It's
also
not
about
I,
feel
victims
who
are
suffering
and
who
naturally
would
want
any
kind
of
resource
to
make
sure
that
the
person
who
caused
them
to
suffer
or
cause
the
loss
of
their
son
and
child
or
whoever
to
be
apprehended
with
the
with
the
best
technology.
That's
not
that's
not
what
this
is
about
today
and
it's
not
necessarily
about
the
the
effectiveness
of
the
technology.
You
have
it's
not
about
how
good
this
the
shot.
What
is
it
called
works.
Q
L
L
L
My
follow-up
question
to
you
as
a
direct
one
is:
how
soon
can
we
start
so
we
have
a
budget
coming
up,
we'll
be
voting
on
it
actually,
and
would
you
be
able
to
get
us
a
list
of
all
of
your
technology,
all
of
your
databases
and
all
of
the
ways
in
which
you
are
currently
sharing
our
information
to
us
before
we
vote
on
that
budget?
Would
you
be
able
to
do
that?
We.
R
L
Yes,
so
right,
no!
No
because
I
think
that,
instead
of
us
having
to
maybe
go
through
the
rigmarole
of
an
ordinance
which
we
ultimately
should,
if
there's
already
willingness
on
your
part
and
there's
already
commitment
from
you
right
now
today
to
do
that
to
share
that
information
and
to
make
sure
that
we
ultimately
can
see
it
before
it
happens.
Your
current
technology
and
what
you
hope
to
also
implement
I
would
love
a
list
of
that.
But
again
the
data
sharing
and
your
databases
as
well
before
we
vote
on
the
budget
is.
G
L
L
L
You're
watching
me
with
and
I
see
where
my
money's
going
and
that's
I
just
want
that
to
be
the
black
and
white
question
and
I'm
so
happy
again
that
you
committed
to
saying
yes,
then,
when
it
comes
to
how
you're
watching
us
that
you
do
agree
that
we
should
have
approval
at
the
City
Council
level
and
that
ultimately
I
think
we're
going
to
get
there
so
again,
I
appreciate
your
you're
again,
making
yourselves
available.
I
appreciate
your
your
honest,
transparent
answers,
but
I
didn't
want
us
to
be
distracted
by
those
other
other
topics.
L
B
You
very
much
so
that
concludes
panel
number.
One
I
want
to
thank
the
chief
and
and
your
staff
for
coming
I
appreciate
the
in-depth
introduction.
It
means
a
lot
will
certainly
be
having
working
sessions
in
the
future.
I
hope
so
and
we'll
continue
to
work
together
on
the
social
justice
task
force
and
all
the
other
things,
and-
and
we
certainly
appreciate
you
coming
here
so
that'll-
be
the
end
of
panel
one.
Thank
you
so
much
for
being
here.
Yes,.
C
S
T
W
U
Thank
you
for
today,
city
councilor,
again,
my
name
is
Michael
McMullen
I'm,
also
a
community
activist
and
also
a
resident
brownie
Heath
and
so
arch
they're,
sharing
a
little
bit
of
the
story
about
the
police
technology.
So
I
got
a
down
good
afternoon.
My
name
is
Michael
Macmillan
I'm,
a
resident
of
Madrid
Haley
major
Haley
apartments
in
the
founder
of
Max's
Inc.
U
Today,
I
stand
in
front
of
the
City
Council
hopes
of
passing
the
ordinance
to
require
communion
control
over
self
surveillance
technology
last
summer
in
July
2017
residents
and
the
manager
Haley
apart
in
apartments
alerted
myself
about
Jones
siding
in
the
common
area,
the
community.
On
that
particular
day,
there
was
a
lot
of
residents
outside
that
day,
cooking
out
kids
in
the
park
a
typical
sunny
afternoon,
the
residents
in
the
community
were
concerned
because
nobody
could
figure
out
who
was
controlling
the
drone
flying
above.
What
is
it
doing?
U
What
is
it
taking
as
long
as
it
taking
photos?
Was
the
recording
conversations?
What
was
the
purpose
questions
we
had,
but
nobody
knew
the
answers
to
later
on
that
evening,
as
I
began,
walking
home
had
spotted
two
piece
vehicles
in
the
Linux
Martel
parking
lot
across
from
the
middle
Halley
apartments.
They
were
all.
There
were
two
officers
outside
the
establishment
testing
that
drone
a
few
seconds
after
a
few
seconds.
U
Nearly
two
months
later
at
the
Boston
Globe
did
a
report
about
the
drones
the
department
spent
in
the
$17,500
on
three
jones
every
arm
and
related
equipment
over
a
three
month
period,
but
both
what
was
more
stalling
was
the
answers
from
the
PR
people
to
individuals.
In
the
in
the
police
department
spokeswoman
for
Marty
J
Walsh
said
no
Saints
and
official
use
of
Jones
had
been
permitted
conducted
by
the
BPD.
U
If
any,
when
the
Boston
Police
Department
uses
the
drones,
it
would
be
at
the
community
engagement
out
there,
the
community
engagement
process,
lieutenant
Michael
McCarthy,
said
it
was
likely
to
officers
photograph
and
then
for
the
graph
it
was
likely
to
officers.
Photograph
were
quote
playing
with
the
toy
I.
Didn't
officers
aren't
authorized
to
use
personal
equipments
in
the
performance
of
our
official
duties,
I
believe
both
statements
come
from
a
place
of
ignorance
and
power.
Both
statements
contradict
myself
in
community.
U
What
do
you
think
happened
to
the
city?
What
do
you
think
about
the
residents
in
these
cities
and
then
I'll?
Leave
you
all
with
a
quote
by
James
Baldwin
I
can't
believe.
I
can't
believe
what
you
say,
because
I
see
what
you
do
also
I
have
25
signatures
from
a
petition
supporting
their
own
ordinance
Michelle.
So
there's
over
a
hundred
residents
that
sign
away
either
their
residence
to
the
city
of
Boston
or
residents
of
Bromley
Heath.
U
So
even
doing
so,
there
were
residents
who
were
afraid
to
sign
off
on
the
petition
because
they
didn't
want
their
names
out
there.
They
didn't
want
their
information
out
there
in
any
way,
being
misused
or
mistreated
by
the
police
and
any
backlash.
So
there
are
residents,
I
was
afraid
to
come
up
speak
and
there
was
residents
who
were
afraid
to
come
to
City
Hall.
T
My
name
is
Jamie
Kennedy,
as
I
said,
and
in
general
I
just
want
to
voice
my
opinion
from
the
perspective
of
being
someone
that
is
actually
connected
with
the
youth,
so
essentially
I'm
I'm,
just
tired
of
it
I'm
sad
of
it
I'm
sick
of
it
and
I
don't
mess
with
it
I,
with
the
cops
on
an
institutional
or
systemic
level.
No
matter
how
good
of
a
person
you
may
be,
the
very
origin
of
police
is
rooted
in
pain
and
racism
that
we
all
see
today.
T
We
believe
that
police
are
not
protecting
and
serving
rather,
they
are
intimidating
and
hurting
you've
I
work
at
a
nonprofit
organization
called
bikes,
not
bombs
where
we
fight
for
social
justice
by
using
the
bike
as
a
vehicle
for
social
change.
We
have
a
lot
of
youth
come
in
from
the
community
and
inner
cities
who
feel
like
prisoners
in
their
own
neighborhoods
with
the
level
of
surveillance
and
the
ease
in
which
police
disrespect
and
cross
basic
civil
boundaries.
T
T
T
When
I
hear
him
say
we
target
bad
kids
and
bad
neighborhoods,
all
I
hear
is
we
target
black
kids
with
slave
origins,
I,
bike,
nut
bombs
and
boss
cops
will
not
stand
for
this.
We
wish
to
create
a
city,
a
community
where
all
can
exist
without
fear
of
the
police
and
trust
that
they
are
safe
from
being
entered
into.
Gang
database
is
being
watched
by
secret
technology
or
being
killed
by
the
police.
T
If
you
don't
believe,
there's
no
possibility
of
having
peace
without
police
presence,
look
at
any
white
privilege
community
in
America
and
see
just
how
much
harassment
there
really
is
of
their
youth.
We
aspire
for
a
place
where
one
can
feel
comfortable,
no
matter
race
or
color
and
in
its
current
form
from
a
systemic
standpoint.
We
feel
we
do
not
need
the
police
to
do
that.
T
W
Hi
folks,
again
Kade
Crockford
from
the
ACLU.
Thank
you
for
all
of
you
who
stayed
and
thanks
especially
to
councillors,
whoo,
McCarthy
and
Campbell,
for
calling
this
hearing
today.
Obviously
you
can
see
there
are
many
many
beautiful
people
in
this
room.
This
is
an
issue
that
people
in
Boston
really
care
about.
It's
an
issue
that
brings
together
people
from
all
over
the
city,
people
from
different
walks
of
life,
all
different
colors
people
who
of
all
ages,
because
surveillance
is
something
that
impacts
everyone
in
the
city
of
Boston.
W
You
know
we've
been
organizing
for
about
a
year
now
talking
to
a
lot
of
folks
in
the
city
of
Boston,
and
one
theme
has
really
risen
to
the
top
and
you
may
have
heard,
or
actually
just
witnessed
some
of
some
of
the
theme
yourself,
which
is
that,
depending
on
how
old
you
are
what
neighborhood
you
live
in
and
especially
the
color
of
your
skin,
your
perception
of
the
Boston
Police
Department
may
be
really
different
from
someone
who
lives
in
a
different
neighborhood
is
a
different
age.
Has
a
different
color
of
skin
and
I?
W
Think
that's
really
something
that
we
as
a
city
need
to
grapple
with.
I
want
to
turn
specifically
to
the
to
the
subject
of
surveillance
technology,
which
is
obviously
one
of
the
many
things
that
people
are
here
talking
about.
Today,
I
submitted
pretty
voluminous
written
testimony,
so
I'm
not
actually
gonna
go
over
a
lot
of
that.
I
hope
that
you
all
will
read
it,
but
I
did
want
to
respond
to
a
few
of
the
things
that
law-enforcement
officials
said.
Unfortunately,
they
left-
and
you
know
I
think
also
you
know
just
generally
in
the
city
of
Boston.
W
So,
unfortunately,
they're
not
here
to
hear
what
we're
saying
but
I'm
gonna
say
it
anyway,
because
I
think
it's
important
for
everyone
in
this
space
and
folks,
watching
the
historical
record
and,
of
course,
new
councillors
to
hear
a
couple
things
one.
It's
astonishing
to
me
that
we
just
heard
in
the
middle
of
this
hearing
that
the
Boston
Police
Department
doesn't
use
the
cop
linked
system
anymore.
It's
it's!
W
These
documents,
you
all,
if
you're
interested
in
seeing
them
a
PowerPoint
presentation
that
the
Massachusetts
State
Police
gave
to
its
own
officers,
training
them
and
how
to
use
the
coupling
system
and
among
those
slides
in
that
PowerPoint
presentation
was
one
that
showed
all
the
police
departments
in
the
state
that
that
contribute
all
of
their
data
to
cop
link
and
the
Boston
Police
was
listed
there
among
the
records
that
police
departments.
As
far
as
this
document
says,
including
the
Boston
Police
contribute
to
cop
link,
are
fi
OHS,
which
stands
for
field
interrogation
observation
records.
W
Those
are
a
lot
of
people,
probably
know
that
by
the
colloquial
term,
stop
and
frisk,
but
oftentimes.
Actually,
the
police
do
not
stop
and
interact
with
someone
it's
a
kind
of
street-level
surveillance
program
that
can
even
happen
without
any
interaction.
So
a
law
enforcement
official
may
be
sitting
in
his
cruiser
sees
some
young
people
on
a
park
and
merely
writes
down.
You
know
Jamie's
hanging
out
with
Mike
hell.
This
is
the
time
and
date.
This
is
what
they're
wearing
I
saw
them
walk
in
the
direction
of
the
school.
W
That
is
an
FIO
report
that
gets
filed
in
the
Boston
Police
Department's
FIO
database.
That
is
one
of
the
types
of
surveillance
that
working
turned
about.
Obviously,
records
obtained
by
the
ACLU
through
a
lawsuit
a
number
of
years
ago
showed
that
that
FIO
data
reflects
really
severe
racial
disparities
in
the
city
of
Boston
63%
of
people
who
are
fi
owed.
So
that
includes
stops
frisks,
and
these
sort
of
you
know
observations
that
take
place
from
afar,
where
black
people
and
black
people
compose
24%
of
the
population
of
the
city
of
Boston.
W
Now
that
discrepancy
can't
be
accounted
for
when
you
look
at
the
crime
rates
of
those
neighborhoods.
So
that's
really
troubling
anyway.
To
get
back
to
cop
link.
These
Massachusetts
State
Police
records
from
last
year
clearly
indicate
that
the
Boston
Police
Department
is
contributing
its
data
to
cop
linker
at
least
was
then,
and
that
includes
its
FIO
records.
Its
incident
reports
potentially
mug
shot
data
as
well
as
maybe
we
don't
know,
intelligence
records
from
the
Boston
Regional
Intelligence
Center.
W
So
if
it's
true
what
the
Massachusetts
State
Police
said
in
these
documents
last
year,
that
the
BPD
does
contribute
data
to
cop
link,
that's
a
real
problem
for
a
trust
act
city
that
has
committed
not
to
engage
with
ice
and
CBP
and
other
immigration
authorities,
because
it
means
that
we
are
actively
sharing
huge
quantities
of
data
about
people
with
members
of
those
federal
immigration
organizations.
So
that
really
I
mean
that
truly
speaks
to
the
heart
of
what
we
need
to
get
at
today,
which
is
there's
a
lot
of
obscurity.
W
There's
a
lot
of
opaqueness
around
these
questions.
It
should
not
be
opaque.
It
should
not
be
obscure.
It
should
be
very
clear
to
you
all
on
the
council
and
to
us,
as
residents
of
the
city,
exactly
what
kinds
of
information
BPD
is
collecting,
how
it's
doing
it
under
what
legal
authorities
and
who
that
information
is
getting
shared
with
under
what
circumstances
so,
on
the
draw
on
the
drones,
question,
I
think
that's
another
issue
that
really
highlights
the
reason
why
we
are
here
today.
W
You
know
folks
on
the
police
department,
they
may
have
a
view
and
frankly,
some
people
on
the
council
may
and
some
people
in
the
city
may
to
that.
Having
drones
is
perfectly
obvious.
It's
something
that
the
police
department
should
obviously
do.
We
just
heard
superintendent
Daley
when
he
was
asked
about
facial
recognition,
say
you
know
we
don't
use
face
surveillance
now,
but
it's
certainly
coming
down
the
pike
we're
looking
at
it.
That's
troubling
I
mean
you
know.
W
If
the
city
of
Boston
uses
face
surveillance,
algorithms
on
all
of
the
network
surveillance
cameras
that
we
use
through
the
MBTA
police
through
the
Boston
Police
that
are
all
over
our
city
again,
particularly
in
low-income
neighborhoods
and
neighborhoods
of
color,
it
is
going
to
mean
literally
the
eradication
of
anonymity
and
privacy
in
public.
It
is
going
to
mean
that
government
officials
can
rewind
in
time
to
see
where
you
were
with
whom
and
when
for
as
long
as
that,
footage
is
record.
Does
that
open
up
real
possibilities
for
investigations
and
for
public
safety
purposes?
Absolutely?
W
Does
it
fundamentally
change
the
balance
of
power
between
the
residents
and
the
government
and
what
is
ostensibly
an
open
and
free
society
yeah
you
betcha,
and
we
cannot
go
stumbling
blindly
into
that
kind
of
future.
We
need
to
be
very
deliberate
as
a
people
as
a
city
of
people
who
call
ourselves
free
right.
We
need
to
be
very
deliberate
about
making
those
choices.
Those
choices
should
not
be
made
by
bureaucrats
in
the
police
department.
W
W
You
know
technology
like
facial
recognition
is,
is
the
future
certainly,
and
we
really
need
to
make
decisions
not
only
about
how
those
technologies
are
going
to
be
applied
in
our
city,
but
whether
they
will
be
applied
right.
So
just
a
couple
more
things
and
then
I'll
pass
the
mic
to
Ben.
One
is
that
I
found
it
really
troubling
when
David
carbon
of
the
brick
said
that
the
FBI
has
very
strict
rules
that
govern
their
investigations.
W
The
fact
of
the
matter
is
that
after
9/11,
the
federal
government
changed
the
rules
that
govern
FBI
investigations
and
now
FBI
agents,
including
Boston
Police
Department
officials,
who
are
deputized
as
federal
agents
through
the
Joint
Terrorism
Task
Force
operations
are
allowed
to
spy
on
you
rifle
through
your
trash.
Look
you
up
and
your
phone
number
up
in
even
NSA
surveillance
databases,
even
if
they
do
not
have
any
reason
to
believe
that
you
are
involved
in
a
crime.
W
These
are
rules
that
are
sketched
out
and
what
are
called
the
domestic
investigations
operations
guidelines,
the
diag,
which
is
a
set
of
rules
that
the
FBI
promulgates
to
govern
its
investigations.
That
type
of
investigation
is
what
they
call
an
assessment.
I
just
want
to
be
very
clear
that
all
of
the
post
9/11
powers
that
you
know
the
FBI
has
accumulated
for
itself
and
now
bestowed
on
local
police
departments
through
these
chase.
Etf
operations
have
never
once
led
to
this.
You
know.
Stopping
a
terrorist
attack
certainly
did
not
stop
the
Boston
Marathon
bombing.
W
There
was
no
indication
at
all
that
anything
brick
did
could
have
could
have
even
stopped
the
Boston,
Marathon
bombing
and
I.
Think
that's
actually
a
really
important
point
here.
The
Department
of
Homeland
Security
a
number
of
years
ago
funded
a
study
that
concluded
that
data
mining
so
using
you
know,
sort
of
dragnet
surveillance
technologies
which
the
BPD
does,
including
its
license
plate
reader
technology,
which
does
not
use
a
warrant.
You
know
David
Caron
again
said
we
do
not
conduct
surveillance,
you
know
unless
we
get
a
warrant.
Well,
that's
flatly
not
true.
W
There
are
cameras
all
over
the
city,
they're
tracking
people,
all
the
time,
the
license
plate
readers
track
people's
driving
movements
without
warrants
its
fact.
It's
just
a
factually
incorrect
statement,
but
data
mining
of
all
of
this
massive,
these
hordes
of
information
that
are
collected
by
these
new
technologies.
This
DHS
funded
study,
said
a
number
of
years
ago
is
an
ineffective
means
of
stopping
terrorism.
In
other
words,
it
won't.
It
will
never
stop
terrorism
and
the
reason
for
that
is
actually
pretty
straightforward.
W
Terrorism
is
not
like
that
with
terrorism,
there's
no
one
path,
that
you
know,
there's
no
pattern
that
you
can
see
through
someone's
communications
records
or
through
someone's
records
of
what
they
bought
and
where
they
went
and
who
they
were
with,
because,
thankfully
it's
an
incredibly
rare
act
and
there
is
no
pattern.
The
FBI
has
acknowledged
that
as
much
to
blue
ribbon
presidential
commissions
commissioned
by
President
Obama
after
the
Snowden
revelations
confirmed
that
all
of
the
NSA's
dragnet
surveillance
programs
never
once
amounted
to
any
useful
intelligence
in
terms
of
stopping
either
domestic
or
international
terrorism.
W
The
Boston
Regional
Intelligence
Center,
the
fusion
center,
that
David
carbon
runs,
is
all
of
the
data
that
they
collect
is
governed
by
what
they
call
a
privacy
policy
which,
to
me,
is
a
strange
name
for
it,
because
it
really
provides
very
little
if
no
privacy
protections
for
the
people
who
are
monitored
by
folks
at
the
brick
using
their
technology.
Specifically,
it
like
the
FBI's
assessment
power
authorizes,
brick
and
folks
who
work
there
to
conduct
investigations
of
people
even
when
they
are
not
suspected
of
any
criminal
activity.
That
is
a
real
problem
in
a
free
society.
W
B
V
You
thank
you
to
the
City
Council
for
holding
this
hearing.
Everyone
who's
out
here.
Listening
to
it,
and
especially
to
my
fellow
panelists
for
being
part
of
this
conversation,
this
hearing
could
not
be
timely,
timely
er,
new
technologies,
massive
massively
expand
the
government's
ability
to
watch
over
the
public
and
whether
we
recognize
it
or
not.
Detecting
that
the
technologies
we
implement
today
will
play
a
significant
role
in
defining
the
social
contract
of
the
next
century.
V
For
the
past
several
years,
I
have
studied
how
local
governments
across
the
country
acquire
and
use
new
technology,
but
I've
been
focused
in
Boston
I
even
had
the
fortune
to
work
here
in
City
Hall
for
a
year
as
part
of
the
department
of
innovation
on
technology
and
on
many
accounts.
Boston
is
at
the
forefront
of
the
movement
towards
what
many
people
call
smart
cities,
but
when
it
comes
to
taking
responsible
steps
to
protect
privacy,
Boston
has
fallen
behind.
V
Is
in
my
mind,
the
most
important
step
that
we
can
take
to
ensure
that
the
cities
of
the
21st
century
promote
liberty
and
equity.
It
is
urgent
that
Boston
develop
policies
that
comprehensively
account
for
what
surveillance
means
today,
failing
to
account
broadly
for
today's
realities
of
surveillance
and
the
forms
of
surveillance
coming
down,
the
road
in
the
future
will
render
a
surveillance,
ordinance,
impotent.
I
urged
the
council
in
particular
to
make
sure
that
we
emphasize
surveillance
technology
and,
in
particular,
surveillance
software.
V
The
ordinance
must
allow
the
public
to
collectively
shape
the
answers
to
three
central
questions
number
one:
how
will
the
data
be
used?
The
ordinance
must
cover
algorithms,
that
analyze
the
data
collected
by
surveillance,
equipment
or
scrape
from
social
media
feeds,
or
any
algorithms
that
eventually
get
put
in
place
for
this
purpose
from
geofeedia
to
predictive
policing
algorithms.
V
The
practice
of
surveillance
today
often
relies
more
on
machine
learning,
algorithms
that
can
be
inaccurate
and
biased,
rather
than
solely
on
the
collection
of
data
itself
number
two:
where
will
the
day
to
go
and
who
will
have
access
to
it?
Given
the
egregious
abuses
of
human
rights
being
perpetrated
right
now
by
ice,
we
must
ensure
that
any
data
collected
by
the
city
of
Boston
cannot
find
its
way
into
the
hands
of
federal
law
enforcement
and
number
three.
How
will
the
technology
evolve?
V
We
need
to
future-proof
the
surveillance
ordinance
and
require
public
oversight
of
software
updates
that
alter
technology's
capabilities
for
surveillance,
otherwise,
the
technology
approved
in
one
form
or
perhaps
not
even
considered,
surveillance
technology
when
purchased,
can
evolve
into
a
tool
for
unwarranted
surveillance,
as
its
software
is
updated.
For
example,
body
camera
manufacturers
are
developing
facial
recognition,
software,
which
could
fundamentally
change
body
cameras
into
a
far
more
pervasive
tool
for
surveillance
and
allow
police
to
track
people's
movements
and
identify
individuals
and
crowds.
V
I
applaud
the
city's
councils
initiative
and
holding
this
hearing
and
the
public's
showing
up
in
such
large
numbers
here
today.
Ultimately,
this
is
not
a
debate
about
being
for
or
against
innovation
or
technology.
It's
about
facilitating
the
innovation
that
city
residents
want
and
most
need.
After
all,
being
a
smart
city
means
more
than
just
using
technology
wherever
possible,
it
means
being
smart
enough
to
accomplish
our
policy
goals
with
the
aid
of
technology,
but
without
violating
public
expectations
or
rights
by
working
to
enforce
stronger
public
oversight
of
surveillance.
V
D
D
Yes,
so
I
appreciate
your
advocacy
and
I
appreciate
you
garnering
support
for
this
I
know
your
organization
so
well
used
to
represent
young
people
at
the
ED,
Law,
Project
and
Yad,
and
we
often
would
get
clients
from
you
guys
or
send
them
to
you.
So
thank
you
for
the
work
that
you
do
for
our
young
people
that
usually
doesn't
go
recognized.
Ben.
Thank
you
for
being
here.
Thank
you
for
your
work
and
Kate.
D
Thank
you
for
the
continued
advocacy
I
am
I
have
to
run
to
a
I'm
a
keynote
at
a
program
in
Roxbury,
actually
with
folks
addressing
violence
in
our
community
and
actually
we're
honoring
those
folks
who
do
it
every
single
day.
So
I
have
to
run
to
that.
But
obviously,
we've
made
it
clear
that
this
has
to
be
a
series
of
conversations
to
get
to
a
policy
that
we
put
forth
before
the
council
and
that
we
seek
vote
votes
on.
D
We've
been
talking
about
this
for
a
little
while
now
so
I'm
excited
to
be
a
part
of
this
to
move
this
forward,
not
to
waste
any
more
time.
To
the
extent
we
get
the
list
of
technology
surveillance.
Other
things
to
us.
We
can
happily
share
that
with
all
of
you.
So
all
on
the
same
page
about
the
the
the
scope
of
the
issue
and
how
we
address
it.
D
We're
finding
out
that
this
information
may
not
be
being
used
in
a
good
way,
and
so
there
were
folks
here
that
wanted
to
acknowledge
that
lawyers
Committee
for
civil
rights
left
some
very
incredible
evidence
that
we
need
to
do
better.
So
that,
of
course,
has
to
continue
to
be
a
part
of
the
conversation
as
well,
especially
given,
what's
coming
out
of
Washington
and
what
we're
seeing
in
the
southern
states
in
the
border
states.
So
I
just
wanted
to
acknowledge
that
Alejandra.
D
Thank
you
for
the
work
that
you
do
for
our
constituents
on
behalf
of
the
city
of
Boston,
but
I
wanted
to
acknowledge
that,
because
this
is
also
a
big
piece
of
what
we're
talking
about
so
consider
me
a
partner
in
the
work.
I
am
all
for
developing
an
actual
written
policy
that
ensures
that
there
is
a
process
that
governs
this,
and
that
makes
a
room
for
this
idea
that
there's
always
going
to
be
new
technology.
D
And,
of
course
none
of
it
is
to
say
that
we
don't
want
the
department
to
have
the
best
tools
to
solve
crimes
in
the
city
of
Boston.
But
how
do
we
strike
that
balance
and
and
I
think
we've
done
that
well
with
some
technology,
but
most
of
it
are
probably
not
so
I'm
excited
to
be
a
partner
in
this
work.
Thank
you
guys
and
thank
you
to
councillor
Wu
and
councillor
McCarthy,
who
are
also
partners
in
this
and
I.
Think
this
is
a
powerful
picture.
D
Here
too,
we
got
women,
but
we
also
have
council,
McCarthy
and
I'll
say
that
we
often
don't
acknowledge.
You
know
where
people
are
so
excited
the
Boston
City
Council's
six
women
would
be,
but
you
know
we
have
male
colleagues
who
care
about
this,
who
live
in
different
parts
of
the
city
were
born
and
raised
in
the
city
who
know
it
impacts
certain
people
in
a
different
way,
based
on
either
their
age,
their
race
and
so
I
appreciate
your
partnership
in
this
work
as
well.
D
C
You
and
thank
you,
madam
president,
thank
you.
I
want
to
thank
especially
Kate
and
and
Ben.
You've
devoted
your
life's
work
to
this
now
and
you've
been
I've
learned
so
much,
and
especially
especially,
to
Mike,
Ellen
and
Jamie,
who
has
volunteers
and
community
members,
are
coming
forward
and
sharing
your
stories
and
your
perspectives
and
your
advice,
and
we
know
that
you
are
here
in
this
seat
as
an
individual,
but
bringing
with
you
the
experiences
and
stories
of
many
people,
even
beyond
your
95
of
those
who
are
willing
to
sign
so
I
guess.
C
My
question
is
on
getting
to
the
point
where
we're
talking
about
language
of
an
ordinance,
because
it
seemed
that
there
was
pretty
good
consensus
that
folks
were
willing
to
engage
and
move
on
to
next
steps.
Have
you
so
either
generally?
What
do
you
think
should
go
into
an
ordinance
and
then
in
particular,
if
you're
familiar
particularly
if
you've
looked
at
other
cities?
Are
there
bits
within
the
ACLU
model,
oversight,
ordinance
that
you
think
Boston
should
tweak?
Or
how
do
you
feel
about
that
as
a
starting
point.
W
Well,
I
work
for
the
ACLU
I
think
it's
great
I
think
the
ordinance
is
great.
I
I
do
think
at
the
same
time
that
you
know,
we've
heard
a
lot
of
issues.
You
know,
folks
that
we've
talked
to
over
the
past
year
when
we've
been
faced
building-
and
you
know
going
out
into
different
parts
of
the
community
to
speak
to
young
people
and
people
all
over
the
city
about
what
concerns
them
with
respect
to
surveillance
and
policing,
and
we've
heard
a
lot
that
goes
frankly
beyond
issues
related
to
oversight
of
Technology.
W
Specifically,
we've
heard
you
know
a
lot
about
the
gang
database,
I
think
councillor
Campbell
was
just
referencing.
You
know
how
information
can
sort
of
leak
to
into
the
hands
of
ice
and
how
that
can
end
up
getting
folks
deported.
So
you
know
I
think
that
the
ACLU
model
ordinance
is
sir
a
good
starting
point.
There
have
been
communities,
as
Ben
said,
from
Oakland
California
to
Seattle
Washington,
even
Tennessee.
The
community
and
Tennessee
passed
an
ordinance
like
that.
W
Cambridge
Massachusetts
is
very
close
right
now
to
passing
one
that's
pretty
similar
to
the
ACLU
model,
but
also
Providence
Rhode
Island
has,
after
about
five
years
of
strong
push
from
a
huge
coalition
of
youth
and
youth
of
color.
Queer
youth
of
color
organizers
and
in
Providence,
were
able
to
pass
a
really
comprehensive,
much
broader
ordinance
that
deals
with
technology
and
the
policies
that
govern
the
technology,
but
also
includes
new
limits
on
how
law
enforcement
can
identify
young
people
as
gang
affiliated
grants.
W
V
Just
briefly
add
a
couple
points,
one
that
sort
of
as
Cade
mentioned.
It's
we're
sort
of
fortunate
here
in
the
sense
that
many
other
cities
do
have
these
ordinances.
And
so
we
can
have
a
lot
of
language
to
draw
on
we're,
not
starting
from
scratch
in
terms
of
at
least
getting
a
first
draft
and
something
to
work
off
of,
but
I.
V
Think
as
I
mentioned,
it's
really
important
that
we
make
sure
that
any
bill
really
thinks
about
technology
very
broadly
defined
and
doesn't
just
think
about
one
particular
type
of
equipment
or
one
particular
type
of
algorithm,
but
thinks
about
technology
as
an
ongoing
process
of
use
and
acquisition
and
development
that
evolves
often
pretty
rapidly
and
in
many
ways
can
be
out
of
this
seemingly
out
of
the
city's
hands
as
it
might.
You
know
to
be
a
development
that
a
technology
manufacturer
makes
so
we
need
to
think
about.
V
How
are
we
making
contracts
with
vendors
of
cameras
or
other
surveillance,
equipment
and
technology,
and
how
do
we
make
sure
that,
even
as
that,
technology
evolves
from
their
prerogative
and
their
business
interests
that
we're
not
going
down
stumbling
down
a
path
of
towards
surveillance
that
we
never
intended
to
get
into
in
the
first
place
and
we're
not
able
to
control
how
we
use
the
technology
as
it
develops?
And
even
thinking
about
our
use
of
databases,
how
we're
managing
databases?
That's
an
incredibly
important
form
of
Technology
many
cities.
V
We're
seeing
have
these
game
bases
gang
databases,
it
sounds
like
Boston
is
included
in
that,
and
often
those
you
know
are
not
from
some
dragnet
surveillance
technology,
that's
tracking
everyone
in
the
street,
but
is
coming
from
these
FIO.
These
sort
of
manual
interactions
that
are
happening
on
the
street
and
those
are
getting
built
up
over
time
into
a
massive
database
that
then
can
be
used
for
all
sorts
of
surveillance
and
proactive
law
enforcement.
So
we
need
to
think
about
that
just
as
much
as
a
surveillance
technology.
As
you
know,
cameras
and
sensors
in
the
street.
B
Thank
you
very
much.
I
have
just
one
quick
question:
Wow
Kade,
the
in
your
opening
statement.
You
talked
about
the
relationship
between
the
local
police
ice
FBI
state
troopers.
Even
what's
the
ante
up
with
Providence
yeah.
Do
you
know
into
that
at
all?
Eichmann
I
can
do
my
own
research,
but
if
you
know
then
so.
B
A
B
And
bikes,
not
bombs,
I've
been
working
with
you
guys
since
1997
when
I
ran
the
summer
jobs
program.
So
that's
a
couple
years,
so
you
guys
really
do
good
work.
So
thanks
very
much
for
all.
Thank
you
for
coming
here.
So
we
we
do
have
a
large
amount
of
people
who
want
to
speak.
We're
gonna,
keep
it
tight.
I've
got
my
phone
out
with
my
little
alarm
clock
here.
B
So
what
we're
gonna
do
is
we'll
give
everybody
about
a
minute
and
a
half,
and
then
I'll
give
you
a
little.
Maybe
I'll
tap
the
mic
a
little
bit
or
give
you
a
wave,
and
then
we
want
to
kind
of
wrap
it
up
because
there's
a
lot
of
people
who
want
to
speak.
We
want
to
hear
from
everybody
who
waited
and
had
the
patience
to
wait.
So
I'm
going
to
call.
We
have
two
stations
to
to
speak
at.
We
have
a
station
here
in
a
station
there.
B
You
can
line
up
any
way
you
want
what
I'll
do
is
I'll
call
out,
I'll
call
out
a
bunch
of
names,
so
we'll
get
into
queue,
and
that
way
you
can
just
kind
of
roll
right
through
and
again
the
rules
are.
Please
give
your
name
and
your
affiliation
of
your
address.
You
know
not
your
address,
but
your
town,
you
live
in
and
your
affiliation
and
you
can
get
right
into
your
testimony.
So
yep
Oh
Mac
he's
done.
B
Okay,
so
and
if
you're
not
here,
then
you
won't
be
in
line
apparently
so
we're
gonna
see
that
we'll
have
a
Judy,
Fatima,
Mallory,
Liza,
Joe
and
Ben
Joe
I
know
I
should
have
said
that
Joe
Joe
Cadillac
there's
only
one
Joe
Cadillac
I
already
read
your
testimony.
Yes,
you
have
to
read
fast
I
read
your
testimony.
You
get
that
in
a
minute.
That's
amazing!
B
Y
Y
When
asked
about
their
interactions
with
the
police,
the
youth
have
said
that
they
encounter
place
in
every
part
of
their
day,
whether
watching
them
in
school,
as
they
study
monitoring
them
from
an
unmarked
car
as
they
walk
home
and
showing
up
in
their
after-school
activities
through
countering
violent
extremism
or
CVE
programs.
The
CBE
program
that
the
Boston
Police
Department
is
participating
in
called
youth
and
police
initiative.
Plus
assumes
that
local
Somali
youth
need
to
spend
time
with
officers
because
they
are
all
on
a
path
to
violence
and
somehow
a
dialog
with
officers
would
change
that.
Y
It
says,
and
I
quote
a
key
tenant
of
the
training
is
that
underneath
the
antipathy
and
mistrust
Youth
have
for
police
there's
also
a
curious
attraction
to
their
power
and
ability
to
use
it.
They
are
enticed
by
their
capacity
to
carry
weapons,
their
loyalty
and
almost
gang
like
dress
code.
End
quote:
I
doubt
that
the
participating
youth
are
shown
that
quote
or
know
that
this
is
funded
by
the
Department
of
Homeland
Security.
Y
When
youth
do
read
about
this
program,
they've
asked
why
can't
we
get
$500,000
for
our
community
to
use
that
as
we'd
like
first
say
a
community
center
rather
than
a
law
enforcement
program?
That
assumes
we're
all
attracted
to
violence.
As
someone
who
used
to
develop
technology
I
know
that
the
impact
of
Technology
is
dependent
on
the
users.
Y
So,
as
someone
who
witnesses
the
police
harassing
my
neighbors
on
Humble
of
regularly
and
knowing
that
in
2016,
70%
of
the
people
in
BPD,
stop
and
frisks
were
black
I
know
that
any
technology
they
access
will
increase
the
racial
and
religious
profiling
we
already
experienced.
That's
why
we're
not
just
talking
about
technology
today,
because
surveillance
means
any
kind
of
monitoring
done
by
law
enforcement
with
or
without
the
assistance
of
technology.
Y
I
would
like
to
see
the
city
of
Boston
pass
an
ordinance
regulating
the
BPD
by
instituting
explicit
policies
to
end
racial
profiling,
prohibit
participating
in
CBE
style
programs
and
the
gang
database
and
preventing
any
future
purchase
or
use
of
weapons
and
technology
without
an
accessible
public
process
that
engages
communities
of
color.
A
meaningful
next
step
would
be
to
provide
an
inventory
of
all
current
equipment.
Software
information,
sharing
practices
and
policies
for
conducting
field
interrogation.
Observations
from
both
the
Boston
Police
Department
and
the
Boston
Regional
Intelligence.
Center.
R
Surveillance
equipment
of
the
city
of
Boston
is
planning
on
using
my
name
is
Joe
Cadillac
I'm,
a
Dorchester
resident
or
former
private
investigator
I'm
here
today,
because
I'm
concerned
about
the
potential
infringement
and
privacy
violations
and
civil
liberties
by
law
enforcement.
The
Boston
police
community
cam
share
program
being
piloted
in
Dorchester
and
the
Boston
Police
license
plate
reader
program
should
have
residents,
business
owners
and
elected
officials
concerned
about
their
privacy,
police,
cam.
Sure
programs
often
start
out
as
innocuous
by
asking
businesses
to
volunteer
into
the
program.
R
But
as
a
case
that
I
mentioned
earlier,
I
should
say
that
I
have
here
in
February
of
2018
in
Saginaw
Michigan.
It
went
from
voluntary
to
mandatory
when
the
Saginaw
City
Council
passed
an
ordinance
forcing
businesses
to
purchase
and
install
cameras
at
cost
to
businesses.
The
Boston
City
Council
has
been
working
to
make
it
easier
for
businesses
to
operate
in
Boston,
but
the
BPD's
community
cam
share
program
and
license
plate.
Reader
program
will
have
the
opposite
effect,
especially
when
you
combine
that
Boston
transportation
departments
and
State
Police
license
plate
reader
programs.
Together.
R
All
of
these
programs
license
plate.
Readers
programs
can
and
are
being
shared
without
a
warrant
by
police
departments
across
the
country.
Business
owners
may
find
a
drop
in
visitors
in
sales,
as
tourists
and
residents
realize
that
they
are
into
constant
citywide
surveillance.
Last
month,
the
Boston
Globe
revealed
that
the
BPD
started
their
license
plate
program
or
restarted
their
license
plate
program
again
a
program
that
Commissioner
Evans
said
we
were
collecting
so
much
data
that
we
weren't
even
sure
what
we
were
collecting
honestly.
That
statement
there
alone
is
cause
for
concern.
R
We
should
be
working
to
reduce
crime
in
neighborhoods,
such
as
Dorchester,
by
involving
the
community
and
meaningful
way
instead
of
having
Boston
the
Boston
Regional
Intelligence
Center,
which
is
funded
by
DHS
running
a
citywide
surveillance
program.
Boston
is
a
sanctuary
city,
so
we
need
to
act
like
one
not
add
to
the
growing
fear
of
our
larger
immigrant
and
refugee
community.
Brick
previously
ran
a
social
media
surveillance
program
without
authorization
from
this
body.
What
does
it
stop
them
or
any
other
agency
from
doing
that
in
the
future?
R
Z
My
name
is
Mark
curvature,
liza
Brandt
had
to
leave.
She
asked
me
to
read
her
testimony
on
behalf
of
the
organization
Jewish
Voice
for
Peace
Boston,
there's
a
well
documented
right
wing
strategy
of
pitting
us
Jews
against
people
of
color,
based
on
a
false
and
hateful
narrative
that
Muslim
Arab
and
black
Americans
pose
a
threat
to
Jewish
safety.
Z
But
we
know
that
Boston's
Jewish
community
is
multiracial
and
a
deep
relationship
with
our
Muslim
neighbors
Jewish
safety
is
interconnected
with
the
safety
of
all
Bostonians
and
as
a
white
Jew
I'm
called
to
speak
out
for
my
friends
and
family
of
color,
where
they
are
Jewish,
Muslim
or
otherwise.
We
are
concerned
about
BPD's
power
to
stop
surveil
record
track
and
share
information
about
residents,
and
we
support
the
right
of
communities
of
color
to
control
what
surveillance,
policies
and
technologies
impact
them.
Z
Bpd's
program
is
called
youth
and
police
initiative,
plus
YP
IP,
and
a
target
Somali
young
Somali
young
people,
relying
on
debunked
theories
that
normal
religious
practices
or
adolescent
behaviors
are
precursors
to
committing
acts
of
violence.
Bpd
also
participates
in
federal
investigations
with
the
Joint
Terrorism
Task.
Z
Current
BPD
policy
allows
people
to
be
under
surveillance
and
investigation,
even
if
they
are
not
suspected
of
any
crime
programs
like
YP,
IPE,
JTTF,
brick
and
the
hang
database
are
restrict
religious
expression,
worsen
harassment
of
marginalized
communities,
suppress
open,
dialog
and
dissent
and
do
nothing
to
advance
public
safety.
We
asked
the
council
to
pass
an
ordinance
of
regulating
BPD's
purchases
and
practices
related
to
surveillance
technology
that
will
protect
the
rights,
privacy
and
dignity
of
all
residents.
Z
AA
Hello,
hello,
my
name
is
pure
opinion
and
I
live
in
the
south
end.
I
may
rise
with
you.
I
am
a
rising
junior
at
the
john
deere
Brian
high
school
and
the
leader
of
the
same
chapter
in
my
school.
After
joining
the
same,
it
has
been
brought
to
my
attention
about
what
the
Boston
Police
Department
has
been
doing:
spending
thousands
of
dollars
on
surveillance
technology.
They
use
the
information
against
people
of
color
and
report.
Any
suspicions
to
ice
as
an
immigrant
living
in
a
community
of
color,
I
fear
living
a
peaceful
life.
AA
I
have
to
I
have
to
be
worrying
about
who's
watching
me
and
my
info
getting
leaked
to
ice
them
using
the
brics
system
to
their
advantage,
even
modern.
What
colors
we
wear
I
always
see
police
is
where
I
live
watching
over
everyone
and
sometimes
targeting
a
person
of
color
just
for
hanging
outside
with
their
friends.
It
is
an
invasion
of
our
privacy
and
we
don't
like
it
today.
I
am
here
sacrificing
my
study
time
for
final
exam
to
share
my
testimony.
AA
B
AB
So
it's
like
late
at
night
and
like
they'll,
be
walking
up
and
down
my
street
and
stuff
like
that
and
I
always
wonder
like
what's
going
on,
but
they
never
really
tell
me
anything.
They're,
just
like
they're
just
doing
what
they
feel
like
is.
They
feel
like
it's
best
in
the
neighborhood
and
also
like
you
know.
The
summer
is
coming
up
and
a
lot
of
kids,
like
of
like
my
age
and
stuff,
like
I,
would
like
to
hang
out
in
the
city
and
stuff
like
that
and
I
noticed
like
when
wearing
a
big
group.
AB
AB
They
don't
watch
them
when
they're
in
the
malls
or
in
the
stores,
or
they
don't
make
them
feel
uncomfortable
and
I
feel
like
this
is
a
big
issue,
because
it's
like,
if
we
can't,
if
you
are
watching
us,
then
the
people
who
are
in
the
stores
are
gonna,
be
watching
us
and
then
it's
like.
We
don't
want
to
shop
there
and
they're
gonna
have
like
you
know,
adding
onto
their
stereotypes
and
I,
just
feel
like
budget
cuts
are
happening
with
the
schools
and
stuff
like
that.
AB
Why
are
we
spending
so
much
money
on
like
stuff
surveilling
us?
Instead
of
putting
it
towards
schools,
where
is
more
important
or
something
and
I
also
feel,
like
you
know,
like
schooling
is
in
plan,
so
what
do
you
want?
Do
you
want
people
to
watch
us,
or
do
you
want
us
to
get
a
good
education
like
we
are?
We
don't
have
a
lot
of
resources.
Education
is
the
only
thing
I
can
get
us
out
of
here
and
I.
AB
Think
that's
really
important
and
I
thought,
like
you
know,
United
States
is
supposed
to
be
a
democracy,
how
the
dictatorship-
and
it
just
feels
like
if
you're
gonna
be
watching
us
watch
us
to
be
respectful
to
actually
help
us,
but
not
so
just
to
control
us
and
like
act
like
we
can.
Thank
you.
Thank.
AC
Good
afternoon,
thank
you
for
having
us
thank
you
for
everyone
who
stayed
again.
My
name
is
Valerio
devale
I
am
the
director
of
the
student
immigrant
movement,
and
here
representing,
hopefully
the
undocumented
population,
to
the
extent
and
as
appropriate
is
it
could
be
I
myself
in
my
daca
holder
and
this
issue
matters
to
me
a
lot
as
we
know
that
as
Kate
mentioned
before,
there
is
no
truth
behind
the
fact
that
I
is
not
getting
hold
of
information
produced
by
BPD.
AC
There
is
an
issue
when
the
cops
are
the
one
who
feel
safe
and
the
community
is
the
ones
that
don't
feel
safe
and
feel
that
their
rights
and
civil
liberties
are
being
threatened
in
threat,
are
threatened,
particularly
I
think
that
I'm
concerned,
when
they
mentioned
over
and
over
again
how
great
their
technology
is.
I,
don't
think
that's
the
case
and
as
they
mentioned
before,
shot
spotter
is
unreliable.
In
fact,
it
doesn't
just
pick
up
shots,
it
picks
a
lot
of
things
up.
AC
AC
The
wrong
person
I'm
concerned
about
that
and
I'm
also
concerned
about
this
idea
that
our
misconceptions
of
Technology
and
how
BPG
is
is
holding
our
community
safe,
comes
from
our
vision
of
what
Hollywood
is
or
what
we
see
on
TV,
and
not
the
fact
that
we
are
living
these
experiences
every
single
day
and
that
we
are
here
talking
about
them.
That
is
what
I'm
concerned
about
today
and
I
hope
that
we
can
address.
AC
I
know
you
have
the
evidence
from
the
lawyer
about
a
police
reports
written
in
the
school
who
that
was
then
submitted
directly
to
brick,
which
we
did
not
hear
from
the
gentleman
who
spoke
about
brick,
but
I
know.
My
time
is
up,
unfortunately,
but
I
am
the
community
and
I'm
here
speaking
today
and
I
hope
that
more
of
us
will
be
heard.
Thank
you.
Thank.
X
Councillors,
my
name
is
Sabrina
Barroso,
like
valaria
I
am
here
trying
to
represent
the
documented
community
here
in
Boston,
so
I'm
a
lead
organizer
for
the
student
immigrant
movement
and
as
y'all
can
imagine
organizers
encounter
the
community
a
lot.
That's
our
job.
So
just
briefly,
I
would
like
to
share
how
much
more
difficult
my
job
has
become
because
of
BPD
and
because
of
the
shared
information
that's
being
transferred
to
ice
right.
X
When
we
talk
about
young
people
in
Boston,
we're
talking
about
a
bunch
of
people,
we're
talking
about
immigrants
and
we're
talking
about
folks
who
might
not
have
status
folks,
who
have
been
told
that
their
daca
is
going
to
be
taken
from
them,
tokes
who
have
lost
TPS
right
and
we're
talking
about
folks
who
are
in
vulnerable
positions.
We're
also
talking
about
students
that
we
are
supposed
to
be
taking
care
of
young
people
that
we
are
supposed
to
be
taking
care.
X
I,
take
my
job
quite
seriously,
well,
very,
very
seriously,
and
so
I
remember
actually
seeing
I
believe
to
see
or
I
thought.
I
saw
actually
councillor
McCarthy
at
the
unveiling
for
the
mural
at
BC
LA,
and
that
was
amazing
work
done
by
the
chapter
and
the
students
and
the
parents
and
the
teachers
who
cared
about
a
young
person
there
who
had
been
detained
by
fault
and
by
fault
of
the
process
that
BPD
and
ice.
X
Let
happen
and
brick,
and
we
hold
those
people
accountable,
because
that
person
lost
four
months
of
their
life
in
a
Cell
here
in
Massachusetts,
and
that
is
unacceptable
and
we
know
that
that
is
not
the
only
case.
We
know
that
there
are
more
problems
and
that's
why
we're
here
today
to
talk
about
passing
this
ordinance
to
make
sure
that,
if
BPD
or
if
any
other
type
of
law
enforcement
is
surveilling
us
that
we
have
full
control
and
say
over
what
and
how
that
looks
like
so
I
could
keep
going
on.
X
B
A
Name
is
John
Buxton
I
live
in
Fenway,
remember
very
proudly
of
the
ACLU.
My
comments
now
are
about
your
running
of
public
meetings.
If
you
notice
only
the
two
of
you
remain
to
hear
the
public's
comments,
if
you
notice
the
police
representatives
are
not
here
to
hear
the
public's
comments,
you
know
that
it's
very
important
to
have
a
public
hearing,
not
so
that
the
police
department
can
make
a
infomercial
statement,
not
so
that
counselors
can
provide
feedback
to
them
about
how
proud
we
are
of
our
police
force.
A
That
can
be
done
in
some
kind
of
a
celebration.
The
police
department,
those
police
officers-
should
be
here
to
listen
to
what
the
public
has
to
say.
Your
council
members
should
be
here
to
hear
what
the
public
has
to
say
and
I.
Ask
you.
Please
change
the
public
hearing
process
so
that
you
have
statements
made
in
advance.
We
can
watch
them
on
TV
or
on
our
phones
and
then
have
the
council
members
and
the
police
here
when
the
public
testifies.
Thank
you.
P
Hi,
my
name
is
Mallory
Nora
and
I
live
in
Dorchester
and
I
work
for
an
organization
called
families
for
justice,
says
healing
and
to
be
honest,
I'm
really
here
as
a
resident.
So
I
just
want
to
acknowledge
all
the
residents
that
are
here,
I'm,
so
grateful
for
you
and
your
and
your
opinions
and
your
thoughts
and
your
feedback,
and
we
had
to
push
to
even
have
this
hearing.
P
So
we're
grateful
that
has
happened
and
a
lot
of
us
have
lived
through
dozens
of
times
of
Boston
police
brass
walking
out
on
us
when
we
were
asked
to
come
and
give
feedback.
So
the
frustration
levels
are
really
high
at
this
point,
especially
about
something
that's
so
important
and
I.
Just
I'm
gonna
be
honest:
I'm,
not
a
technologist
I
work,
my
computer
and
my
smartphone
decently,
but
when
I
think
about
surveillance
in
Boston,
what
I
think
about
is
detective
cars.
Circling
blocks
watching
black
and
brown
families
sitting
on
their
porches
I.
P
Think
about
the
way
that
you
can
tell
which
Washington
Street
you're
on
by
how
many
cameras
you
can
count,
I
think
about
the
constant
presence
of
cops
outside
hospitals,
treatment
facilities
and
shelters
among
people
who
need
health
care
and
housing,
not
police
harassment.
So,
when
we're
coming
to
you
with
broader
concerns
than
simply
what
technology
police
can
purchase
and
use,
that's
where
our
demands
are
coming
from
and
this
face
of
BPD
may
be
unfamiliar
to
white
students
or
white
residents
of
Back
Bay
or
Beacon
Hill.
P
We
even
heard
the
officer
talk
about
the
women's
March,
but
it's
not
the
face
of
BPD.
We
see
on
social
media,
but
for
residents
of
Dorchester,
Roxbury
and
Mattapan.
There
are
literally
only
seconds
between
the
time
we
leave
our
house
and
the
time
we
see
the
first
police
officer
and
steps
between
our
door
and
a
surveillance
camera.
So
my
time
is
up,
but
I
want
to
join
my
neighbors
in
demanding
and
Oregon
ordinance
that
regulates
the
BPD
by
instituting
explicit
policies
to
end
racial
profiling,
ending
the
gang
database.
P
J
Hello
good
evening,
Thank
You
councillors,
whoo
McCarthy,
of
course,
Campbell
and
all
the
other
councillors
that
were
here
asking
the
important
questions
of
our
officers.
My
name
is
Shakya
Scott
I'm
here
as
a
resident
today,
I'm
also
the
co-founder
of
BP
cat
or
the
Boston
police
camera
action
team
who
basically
forced
a
community
process
on
to
BPD
in
regard
to
implementing
body
cameras
and
having
a
policy
that
is
for
the
community.
So
that's
what
I
want
to
touch
on
today
and
thank
you
guys
for
being
open
to
developing
a
policy
to
govern
this.
J
However,
I
think
that
it's
important
to
note
that,
as
long
as
you
have
a
process,
we
have
to
make
sure
that,
when
it
comes
down
to
implementing
the
actual
tool
that
the
policy
that
outlines
the
implementation
of
the
tool
itself
is
actually
the
policy
that
we
care
about,
because
we
saw
with
the
camera
program
the
pilot
program
that
the
policy
left
out
two
of
the
most
major
accountability
actions
that
the
community
acts
for.
One
of
those
were.
If
you
violate
the
policy,
you
have
specific
disciplinary
action
that
will
apply
to
you.
J
However,
in
the
policy
for
the
body
camera
pilot,
the
section
of
disciplinary
action
was
one
sentence
that
said,
no
officers
will
be
punished
for
minor
infractions
of
this
policy.
However,
we
didn't
know
what
the
minor
infractions
were
or
what
those
disciplinary
actions
were
that
would
follow.
So
we
just
have
to
make
sure
that,
when
we
are
implementing
policy
to
overall
govern
this,
that
we
are
making
sure
that
we're
paying
attention
as
well
to
the
policy
that
governs
the
tool
itself
and
that
those
policies
have
measures
in
them
to
hold
the
officers
in
the
department's
accountable.
Q
Good
afternoon
councilors
McCarthy,
my
name,
is
Taylor
Campbell
I
am
a
volunteer
for
restore
the
4th
1/4
of
an
advocacy
group.
I
also
volunteer
for
the
mass
bail
fund,
where
I
often
see
people
who
are
have
received
the
brunt
of
the
criminal
justice
system,
who
will
be
most
subject,
no
doubt
to
the
whatever
surveillance
tools
are
available
to
the
police.
I
think
it's
a
look
also
with
everyone.
Q
The
representative
of
the
Boston
Regional
Intelligence
Center,
pointed
or
claimed
that
everything
that
the
brick
collects
is
subject
to
judicial
review
and
probable
cause
and
warrants,
and
so
on.
But
we've
learned
from
past
public
records
requests
that
brick
has
actually
opened
files
on
even
sitting
boston
city
councilors,
who
were,
for
example,
organizing
talks
on
anti-war
issues.
Q
Now,
oh
dear
okay,
so
I'd
like
to
quickly
add
about
somebody
mentioned
budget
issues,
and
it's
very
easy
to
say
that
the
police
are
using
the
tools
that
the
Boston
has
bought.
So,
of
course,
publicity
Boston
should
have
say
on
that.
But
I
want
to
caution
that
not
all
of
this
comes
from
Boston's
money.
Q
A
lot
of
the
the
surveillance
technologies
that
the
police
have
access
to
are
from
Homeland
Security
grants,
which
Boston
has
no
say
over
and
from
business
models
such
as
Amazon
or
axon,
formerly
known
as
taser,
who
provide,
for
example,
body
cameras
to
police
problems
free
of
charge
in
exchange
for
the
data.
So
it's
really
important
to
study,
not
just
where
does
the
money
come
from,
but
or
the
specific
things
that
the
Boston
please
to
get
like
the
cameras?
But
how
did
the
data
actually
get
used
by
the
companies
that
are
providing
these
and
I
guess?
O
Hello,
hi
Luis.
How
are
you
all
doing
great
to
see
you
as
well?
My
name
is
Anthony
Thomas
I'm,
just
coming
as
a
life
resident
of
Boston
I'm,
supporting
as
the
City
Council
to
create
an
ordinance
that
will
regulate
the
Boston,
Police,
Department's,
purchase
and
use
of
surveillance
technology.
It
is
important
is
like
the
ACLU
mentioned
on
their
website.
It's
important
to
protect
privacy,
civil
liberties
in
a
democratic
process
by
mandating
transparency,
public
oversight
in
the
City
Council
approval
of
BPD
surveillance
programs.
O
That
is,
it
does
not
continue
to
widen
the
gaps
of
success
in
community
public
relations,
community
police
relations,
that's
pretty
much
all
I
got
to
say
it's
very
important
that
we
work
together
on
this
with
the
with
the
police
and
not
allow
them
to
just.
You
know
completely.
Take
this
on
themselves,
if,
in
order
for
it
to
be
done
responsibly
and
done
well,
I
believe
it
needs
to
be
all
hands
on
deck
effort,
because
I
know
I
know
two
of
the
impacts
of
when
it's
not
done
well.
Thank
you.
B
S
I
mean
we're
on
the
cusp
of
tremendous
in
invasive
potentially
invasive
technologies
and
I.
Want
you
to
think
of
two
things.
Hopefully,
when
we
get
an
ordinance
and
I
think
that
an
ordinance
is
a
good
thing
and
we
would
be
very
good
thing
and
we
should
do
that-
is
that
there
are
scales
to
justice,
that's
the
symbol
of
justice,
and
there
is
the
consent
of
the
governed,
and
it's
something
that
I'd
like
to
keep
I
hope
you
can
keep
in
mind
and
you're
deliberating
these
issues.
Thank
you.
So
much
for
your
time
today.
Thank.
Q
So
I
my
name
is
taylor
campbell
again
and
I'd
like
to
add
one
point
which
about
the
surveillance,
ordinances
and
specifically,
what's
go
into
them
is
a
very
important
part
of
a
surveillance.
Ordinance
is
a
private
right
of
action
to
enable
the
people
who
are
affected
by
the
surveillance
to
pursue
lawsuits
in
court
to
obtain
some
sort
of
recourse
about
it.
Q
Although
it's
it's
still
under
discussion,
do
you
have
private
rights
of
action,
and
this
is
a
very
important
thing
to
put
in,
especially
considering
the
comments
people
made
about
how
this
is
not
about
the
trustworthiness
in
the
individual
police,
any
individual
city
councillors,
it's
about
establishing
an
institution
that
consistently
protects
the
people's
civil
liberties.
Thank
you
all.
B
Right,
thank
you
very
much
so,
on
behalf
of
councilor
incomes,
the
Campbell
and
myself
I
want
to
thank
everybody
for
hanging
in
there
for
a
long
time
and
I
want
to
thank
all
my
other
counselors
who
are
here
and
just
for
the
record
you
trying
to
herd.
Thirteen
counselors
together
for
our
hearing
is
always
is
always
tough,
with
graduations
and
birthdays
and
parties
and
keynote
speakers
and
other
things.
But
I
will
tell
you
from
experience
working
with
the
the
other
12
counselors.
They
work
awfully
hard
and
they
watch
these
films.
B
They'll
be
at
the
they'll,
be
at
the
working
sessions.
They'll
add
their
two
cents,
they'll
be
calling
their
constituents
and
getting
feedback,
and-
and
this
is
a
great
body
to
work
with
so
I-
do
want
to
make
that
statement
for
the
record.
So
on
behalf
of
Michelle
Wu
and
councillor
Campbell,
this
is
docket
number
zero.
Two
six,
four!
That's
an
order
for
hearing
regarding
the
usage
of
surveillance
equipment
in
the
city
of
Boston.
This
here
is
adjourned.