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From YouTube: Redistricting Working Session on October 7, 2022
Description
Dockets #1098 & #1186 - A working session regarding the adoption of City Council redistricting principles and amending City Council electoral districts
A
A
Good
morning,
everyone
we're
having
some
technical
difficulties
with
our
YouTube
channel,
but
we've
decided
to
go
ahead
and
hopefully
the
technical
problems
will
be
resolved
very
soon.
October
October
7th.
A
Thank
you
everyone
for
being
here.
For
the
record.
My
name
is
Liz
Braden
District,
9,
City,
councilor
I
am
the
chair
of
the
Boston
city
council
committee
on
redistricting
I
am
joined
by
my
colleagues
counselor
president
Flynn
councilor
Murphy
councilor
Flaherty
councilor,
Baker,
counselor,
Mejia,
councilor,
Louisiana,
councilor
Bach,
and
my
coach,
my
vice
chair,
counselor
Worrell.
This
working
session
is
being
recorded.
It
will
be
live
streamed
at
boston.gov,
backslash
city
council,
Dash,
TV
and
broadcast
on
Xfinity
channel
8,
RCN
channel
82
and
FiOS
channel
964..
A
Written
comments
may
be
sent
to
the
committee
email
at
CCC,
dot
redistricting
at
boston.gov
and
will
be
made
part
of
the
record
and
available
for
all
counselors.
Since
this
is
a
working
session,
there
will
not
be
any
public
comment
period.
Today's
working
session
is
on
docket
10898
to
order
for
the
adoption
of
city
council,
redistricting
principles,
dockets
1186,
-1215
and
1216,
an
ordinance
amending
city
council,
electoral
districts.
A
Digital
copies
of
the
presentation,
slides,
are
being
emailed
to
counselors
and
are
being
posted
on
the
Committee
website.
Each
counselor
will
have
20
to
30
minutes
to
present
their
proposed
redistricting
plan.
The
recorded
link
will
make
available
the
and
share
all
with
members
of
the
public
to
review
and
familiarize
themselves
with
proposals
prior
to
testifying
at
upcoming
hearings.
A
As
of
now,
the
schedule
is
on
Tuesday
next
October
11th
at
5
PM
in
the
ionella
chamber.
A
committee
meeting
will
receive
public
testimony.
Please
help
spread
the
word
and
following
and
the
following
Monday
October
17th
at
the
after
at
the
afternoon
or
evening,
a
public
Hearing
in
the
ionella
chamber
or
at
an
off-site
location,
Thursday,
October
20th.
In
the
evening,
a
public
hearing
of
site
in
Fields
Corner.
The
venue
will
has
yet
to
be
confirmed,
but
hopefully
we'll
be
able
to
confirm
the
venue
very
soon
Friday
October
21st.
A
In
the
morning
a
committee
working
session,
Monday
October
24th
morning
committee
working
session,
Monday
24th
afternoon
or
evening
public
hearing
and
Tuesday
October
25th
morning,
washing
working
session
and
Wednesday
October
26th
Target
Council
Mason
for
possible
action.
I'd.
Ask
my
colleagues
to
help
us.
If
there
are
community
members,
Advocates
and
leaders
who
we
should
invite
to
a
working
session
to
speak
more
directly
and
intimately
with
the
committee.
None
of
the
hearing
and
brief
brief
overview
of
docket
one
nine
one:
zero
nine
eight
order
for
the
adoption
of
redistricting
principles.
A
That's
the
the
principles
at
roadland
at
August.
In
our
August
meeting,
how
do
counselors
feel
about
the
current
language
as
amended?
Are
there
further
additions
or
revisions
that
we
feel
necessary
to
the
redistricting
principles
that
we
have
led
out,
and
would
it
be
possible
to
vote
on
that
docket
on
October
15th?
Oh
the
program
of
October
19th
council
meeting.
So
these
are
questions
for
your
consideration.
We
will.
A
We
have
requested
a
legal
opinion
from
Corporation
Council
on
redistrating
requirements
and
protections
onto
the
Voting
Rights
Act,
and
we
will
keep
counselors
updated
on
any
information
that
has
that
will
that
is
being
received.
So
I'd
also
like
to
note
that
my
our
colleagues,
counselor
Lara
and
counselor
Fernandez
Anderson,
have
joined
us.
B
Thank
you,
everyone
for
attending
and
just
just
appreciate
the
amount
of
Engagement
that's
happening
around
redistricting.
It's
a
process
that
happens
every
10
years,
so
the
engagement,
that's
happening
on
the
council
and
outside
in
the
public
is
very
important
and
I'm
looking
forward
to
the
conversations
listen
to
everyone
on
their
maps
and
seeing
if
we
can
create
a
more
Equitable
Equitable
map,
that's
grounded
in
voter
Rights
Act
I
mean
those
principles
to
make
sure
that
communities
are
able
to
elect
the
candidates
of
their
choice.
B
So
looking
forward
to
the
presentations-
and
thank
you
guys
for
joining
us,
also
want
to
just
give
a
big
thank
you
to
Central
staff,
Council
Braden's
team
and
my
team
on
all
their
work
with
us
on
this
process.
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
A
So
we
call
on
I
think
it's
the.
A
B
A
So
counselor
Murphy:
are
you
ready
to
present
your
map
and
discuss
here.
A
A
A
C
You
thank
you,
chair
and
vice
chair
for
having
this
hearing
this
working
session
I
had
shared
and
presented
my
map
with
my
colleagues
in
the
public
two
weeks
ago
and
then,
with
the
advice
of
the
chair,
filed
it
at
this
last
council
meeting,
so
that
we
could
include
it
in
today's
working
session
as
filed
Maps,
because
we
had
previous
Maps
filed
that
way
so
I
know.
Many
of
my
colleagues
have
looked
at
my
proposal.
I'll
go
over
a
few
of
the
key
points.
C
C
Throughout
the
city
district
one
has
been
Charlestown
East,
Boston,
North,
End,
District
2
has
been
Chinatown
downtown
South
Boston
in
the
South
End
District
3
Dorchester
District
4
matapan,
Dorchester,
Roslindale,
Jamaica,
Plain,
District,
Five,
High
Park
in
Roslindale
district
6,
Jamaica
Plain
and
West
Roxbury
District
7,
Roxbury,
South
End
in
Dorchester
and
District,
a
Back
Bay,
Beacon,
Hill,
Fenway,
Kenmore,
Mission
Hill,
and
the
West
End
and
District
9
has
always
been
the
Austin
Brighton
neighborhoods
of
the
city.
The
map
that
I
proposed
preserves
these
neighborhoods
in
their
respected
districts.
C
It
is
important
that
we
preserve
these
communities
in
the
same
districts.
They
have
always
known
them
to
be
in.
It
provides
a
sense
of
place.
Content
continuity
in
community
for
our
constituents,
as
we
heard
in
last
week's
public
hearing
and
I
hear
and
I
know
all
of
us
here
at
different
Community
meetings,
we're
at
and
I
think
you
mentioned
it
in
your
opening
remarks.
C
You
know,
there's
been
a
lot
of
Buzz
and
talk,
which
I
think
is
wonderful
around
the
city.
People
are
engaged
and
aware
that
this
process
is
going
on.
As
we
know,
this
only
happens
once
every
10
years,
but
it
does
have
a
lasting
effect
for
the
next
10
years
and
going
forward
as
I
was
creating.
My
map
I
was
ensuring
to
keep
in
mind
the
different
criteria.
The
committee
is
examining
to
ensure
fairness
and
equity
that
includes
equal
population,
compact
districts,
contiguous
boundaries,
preservation
of
neighborhoods
and
communities.
C
So
when
it
comes
to
equal
population,
one
of
the
biggest
things
we
saw
coming
into
this
process
that
District
2
has
a
lot
of
extra
voters
in
their
District.
That
too
too
many
voters
in
District,
2
and
District
3
needed
to
grow.
Those
were
the
only
two
within
the
legal
range.
We
know
that
a
five
percent
deviation
is
in
good
faith,
but
legally
ten
percent
it
can
be
as
far
as
10
percent
off
each
district
has.
C
A
in
my
map
has
a
0.5
deviation
from
this
target,
except
for
District
8,
which
has
a
deviation
of
two,
and
that
was
because
of
the
small
but
important
neighborhoods.
As
you
heard,
when
I
listed
out
the
different
neighborhoods
that
each
district
comp
composes
its
Back
Bay
Beacon,
Hill,
Fenway,
Kenmore,
Mission
Hill
and
the
West
End,
so
to
make
sure
that
those
small
but
important,
neighborhoods,
weren't,
split
keeping
them
together
did
put
District
8
a
little
bit
further,
but
two
percent
way
below
the
good
faith
percentage.
C
These
deviations
are
obviously
all
under
the
10
and
in
good
faith.
Compact
districts
number
two
in
my
proposal
map.
All
nine
districts
are
compacted
attempt
to
have
straight
borders
and
are
not
oddly
shaped.
We
know
the
history
of
gerrymandering,
it
was
the
politician
Jerry
and
his
Maps
looked
like
salamanders,
which
then
we've
coined
the
term
gerrymandering,
because
sometimes
politicians,
people
in
power
will
try
to
snake
Maps
around.
We
know
historically
across
the
country
that
happens
in
all
different
levels.
C
So
we
had
to
keep
in
mind
to
the
shape
of
the
map,
matters
that
we're
not
stretching
too
far
or
even
though
they
might
touch
they
touch
in
a
very
odd
way,
where
I
kept
that
in
mind
number
three
contiguous
borders
in
my
proposed
map
I
did
ensure
all
nine
districts.
Boundaries
are
contiguous,
so
there
are
no
outlier
precincts
in
four
preservation
of
neighborhoods
in
communities.
I
did
already
mentioned
that
not
every
neighborhood
or
community
may
feel
that
we
were
able
to,
but
there
is
never
going
to
be
one
map
that
includes
everyone's
needs.
C
As
long
as
we
are
able
to,
in
my
mind,
make
you
know
the
the
best
ones,
so
the
most
people
feel
like
their
voices
and
their
needs
are
being
heard.
C
As
I
said
at
the
council
meeting
the
other
day,
certain
ones
just
to
name
a
couple.
Fields
Corner,
now
known
as
Little
Saigon
of
the
strong
Vietnamese
Community,
where
I
live
blocks
away
from
is,
would
be
connected
with
1601
and
possibly
1603,
adding
to
it
to
make
it
even
bigger
Mattapan,
which
had
been
in
Pre
in
a
previous
redistricting,
been
cut.
The
seaport,
which
we
know
used
to
be
parking,
lots
then
became
buildings,
and
now,
through
the
last
year
we
did
the
extra
voting
precincts.
C
So
we
know
that
the
seaport
did
not
have
a
voting.
Precinct
and
6-1
had
the
most
voters
go
to
it.
So
now
we
have
six
eleven
six
twelve,
which
make
up
the
seaport
District,
which
is
around
5
000
a
little
bit
more
than
5
000
residents
live
in
that
neighborhood,
which
would
stay
together.
They
do
have
a
voting
location
now,
two
precincts
there,
which
is
important,
Jamaica,
Plain
and
also
not
just
neighborhoods
the
communities
of
Interest
we've
talked
about
different
communities,
also
Catholic
parishes
throughout
the
city.
C
Anyone
growing
up
or
if
anyone
comes
and
asks
anytime,
I
tell
people
I'm
the
at-large
district
councilor
from
Dorchester.
The
first
question
nine
times
out
of
ten
is
asked
which
parish
so
I
usually
start
off
by
saying:
Saint
Anne's.
Is
it
that's
my
Parish,
but
our
neighborhood
of
Dorchester,
our
side
of
Dorchester?
C
In
this
in
the
last
working
session,
we
did
start
to
talk
about
the
map
that
I
was
proposing.
Some
I
heard
stated
that
maybe
District
4
is
was
packing.
C
We
know
that
the
the
numbers
which
I
have
re-passed
out,
if
you
didn't,
have
the
packet
from
last
time,
District
4
has
historically
always
had
a
larger
black
population
and
in
my
first
attempt
and
I
did
say
this
I
just
want
to
reiterate.
When
I
proposed
my
map
and
put
the
work
into
it,
it
was
to
present
a
map
which
is
here
behind
me.
C
You
know
staying
to
the
way
most
districts
had
looked
in
the
past,
but
also
keeping
them
compact,
but
knowing
that
we
could
easily
make
shifts.
So
if
District
4
needed
a
certain
demographic
population
to
pick
up
or
if
a
community
of
Interest
was
left
out
by
one
Precinct
I
do
feel
like
the
Rubik's
Cube,
it
would
be
easy
to
make
shifts
in
a
way
if
it
would
be
adding
16
3,
not
just
16
1,
to
District
3.
C
Then
we
could
pick
up,
for
example,
like
1907
to
District
Four
I
felt
as
though
this
map
was
easily
adjustable,
which
I
know.
C
If,
if
it's
needed
absolutely,
we
have
to
have
that
conversation
see
where
we
can
take
pull
and
push
from.
But
keeping
all
that
in
mind
is
important
as
I
started
as
before.
Uniting
our
neighborhoods
is
an
essential
goal
of
redistricting
in
my
proposal.
Joints
key
precincts
in
Mattapan
to
unite
the
neighborhood,
which
is
98.7
people
of
color.
C
This
is
the
reason
for
the
increased
percentage
and
the
number
of
people
of
color
in
District
4,
which
is
close
to
like
a
one
percent
increase
to
unite
the
neighborhoods
and
not
to
split
them
within
the
legal
District,
not
packing.
C
So
I
do
think
in
cases
like
that,
if
it's
an
Asian
Community,
if
it's
a
white
Community
a
black
community,
if
we
know
that
that
community
of
interest
and
has
a
neighborhood
boundary
and
has
a
political
Community
power
that
we
don't
want
to
split
them,
especially
if
it's
within
the
legal
numbers,
many
I
mean
I,
am
open
and
hoping
that
we
as
a
group,
can
collegially
work
together
to
get
to
the
outcome
which
I
know
the
city
is
watching
and
hoping
we
do,
and
I
am
confident
that
we
will
in
no
way
were
any
of
these
precincts
set
in
stone.
C
But
I
do
think
that
it's
a
really
good
starting
point.
I
mentioned
Ward
19
Precinct
7
could
be
added
to
district
four.
That
Precinct
is
almost
60
percent
white,
so
that
would
add
more
white
voters
to
district
four
and,
in
conclusion,
I
feel
that
this
map
is
the
best
starting
point
moving
forward.
C
I
do
know
that,
when
shared
at
first
made
sure
and
you
all
got
copies,
but
also
the
PDF
file
that
had
lots
of
additional
data
information
that
I
think
is
important,
where
you
could
click
and
look
at
any
Precinct
the
changes,
the
current
precincts
that
the
districts
had
when
we
went
into
it,
the
ones
we
needed
to
add,
because
now
we
know
we
have
20
more
voting
precincts
and
to
look
at
the
deviations
that
were
made
when
we
made
those
small
changes.
A
Thank
you,
councilor
Murphy
I
I
really
appreciate
the
amount
of
work
you've
put
into
this
and
the
the
attention
to
detail
and
the
the
ability
to
get
such
equal
equally
matched
numerically,
equally
matched
districts.
That's
a
lot
of
work
and
we
appreciate
your
efforts
and
we
welcome
your
contribution
to
the
conversation
counselor
and
Royal
and
counselor
Fernandez
Anderson.
A
Would
you
like
to
speak
to
your
map
and
then
I
think
well,
I,
open
it
up
for
for
questions
at
the
and
I
also
know
that
counselor
Baker
is
going
to
give
us
a
history
lesson
of
over
the
last
four
decades
how
how
the
different
Maps
evolved
over
time,
but
we'll
let
the
proponents
of
the
new
maps
speak
control.
Royal.
Thank.
D
D
Thank
you,
madam
chair.
We've
spoken
on
our
redistricting
plan
and
prior
Council
hearings.
If
you
have
in
front
of
you
that
map
you
can
look
at
it
now.
D
What
the
goal
here
on
this
map
was
to
address
the
population
increases
that
were
in
District
2
and
the
population
deficiencies
that
were
in
District
3,
while
making
sure
that,
in
our
formulation
of
this
map,
we
tried
our
very
best
to
respect
existing
neighborhood
boundaries,
and
so
in
this
map,
you'll
see
that
we
unified
matapan
around
Blue
Hill
Ave,
we
unified
Roslindale
more
than
it
is
Unified
I.
D
Think
on
any
of
these
maps,
including
around
American
Legion
Highway,
which
is
another
major
through
Fair
we
unified
or
tried
to
respect
lines
like
the
Dorchester
Avenue
or
Mass
Avenue
and
Massachusetts
Ave,
and
so,
if
you
look
at
the
map
here,
you'll
see
that
we've
extended
District
three
into
the
south
end.
The
purpose
of
extend
attending
District
dream
to
the
South
Bend
was
twofold
one.
It
already
had
several
precincts
in
the
south
end,
but
also
the
south
end
has,
under
almost
every
variation
of
a
map
been
distributed
in
multiple
places.
D
It's
had
multiple
Council
leadership
and
I've
heard
people
state
that
neighborhoods
like
to
have
split
neighborhoods
that
they
they
like
having
multiple
counselors
to
go
to.
But
in
my
experience
that
is
not
the
case,
certainly
in
Roslindale,
both
on
a
district
level
as
well
as
a
state
level.
There
has
been
much
consternation
in
the
last
decade
over
being
split
between
so
many
places.
D
What
it
tends
to
make
neighborhoods
feel
like
is
that
they
are
a
minimized
portion
of
that
person's
load
and
are
less
likely
to
receive
the
attention
they
receive,
and
so
we
try
to
ensure
in
this
map
that
we
didn't
do
that,
so
we
unified
Roslindale,
we
unified
the
south
end
as
a
whole.
We
essentially
made
a
South
End
Dorchester
District.
We
had
to
address
the
issues
in
South
Boston,
and
so
we
made
a
map
that
still
Falls
within
the
acceptable
deviation
range.
D
It
ensures
a
relatively
Equitable
Way
Forward,
where
we
United
communities
of
Interest
like
the
Vietnamese
Community,
we
ensured
to
unite
more
of
the
Cape
Verdean
community
in
district
7,
as
we've
all
done,
Maps.
We're
aware
that
the
Cape
Verdean
Community
is
not
as
tightly
packed
as
the
Vietnamese
Community,
where
there
are
several
precincts
where
they
are
dominant.
The
Cape
Verdean
Community
stretches
into
multiple
precincts
and
sort
of
Falls
within
multiple
districts,
and
so
this
makes
sure
that
there's
some
Unison
within
District
Seven.
D
It
ensures
that
the
LGBT
plus
good
news
of
interest
that
exist
in
the
South
End
are
unified
within
Dorchester,
which
is
I,
think
very
good.
It
adds
to
the
diversity
of
dorchester's
sort
of
fabric
here,
where
it
adds
to
I
believe
it
adds
up
to
about
three
percent
or
something
short
of
three
percent
on
the
Asian
population,
because
there
is
an
Asian
population
in
the
south
end
to
the
to
combine
it
with
the
Dorchester
Asian
population.
D
I
think
there
are
things
that
we
have
heard,
and
certainly
we
are
taking
into
account
in
terms
of
the
Chinese
Progressive
Association
and
the
residents
of
the
south
end
and
sort
of
what
they
are
thinking
about.
I
think
there's
a
push
and
pull
here
where
some
members
of
South
Bend
would
like
to
see
a
unified
south
end
in
some
communities
of
interest
within
the
South.
D
End
would
like
to
stay
close
in
hand
or
close
to
their
sort
of
known
communities,
folks
who
feel
like
they
were
sort
of
pushed
out
of
the
Chinatown
or
very
closely
tied
to
Chinatown,
but
live
in
other
places
that
aren't
Chinatown,
and
so
that
is
something
we've
taken
into
account.
D
We
do
have
two
Dorchester
seats,
though
I
recognize
just
like
we
talk
about
communities
of
Interest
with
the
Vietnamese
community
that
some
of
these,
that
not
all
of
Dorchester
is
sort
of
uniform
or
the
same.
There
are
pockets
of
different
communities
within
Dorchester,
but
as
far
as
neighborhoods
go,
Dorchester
has
always
had
two
sort
of
District
seats:
District,
Four
and
District
three,
and
this
doesn't
change
that
and
make
sure
that
District,
4
and
District
3
remains
sort
of
Dorchester
based
seats.
It
ensures
that
district
7
remains
a
Roxbury
centered
seat.
D
It
does
very
little
I,
don't
think
it
does
anything
like
any
other
map
to
District,
9
or
district
one
I
believe
on
our
map.
We
have
district
one
picking
up
the
West
end,
but
other
than
that,
it's
essentially
the
same.
D
We
have
councilor
Bach
or
District
8,
picking
up
I,
believe
it's
four
six,
which
is
the
area
around
the
Prudential,
which
I
believe
is
one
of
the
ones
that
was
represented,
but
other
than
that
it
remains
relatively
the
same,
and
so
this
impacts,
in
my
opinion,
the
least
amount
of
districts.
It
impacts.
D
Frankly,
the
districts
that
have
the
most
population
deviations
the
ones
that
need
the
most
work
while
doing
the
very
best
to
keep
these
communities
whole
in
terms
of
or
to
sort
of
remake
them
whole
such
as
Rosendale
and
the
South
End,
while
also
making
sure
to
sort
of
try
to
honor
the
natural
major
through
fares
that
come
through
these
areas,
like
Mass
Ave,
like
Blue
Hill
Ave,
like
American,
Legion
Highway
in
ways
where
you
sort
of
know
who
represents
you.
And
why?
And
so
you
know-
that's
that's
the
general
overview
of
our
map.
D
We
do
believe
it's
a
strong
map,
mostly
because
in
every
other
variation
of
this
map-
and
we
may
come
to
a
conclusion
that
it
makes
sense,
but
in
every
other
variation
of
this
map
you
relegate
the
South
End
again
to
being
split
into
multiple
districts
and
even
on
our
map,
it's
impossible
to
completely
unify
it.
D
I
think
there's
two
precincts
that
fall
outside
of
what
the
bpda
calls
the
south
end
that
still
remain
in
District
Two,
but
for
the
most
part,
no
other
map
is
going
to
do
what
what
this
did,
which
is
unify
the
south
end
in
this
way,
and
so
there's
there's
really
a
lot
here.
I
think
for
for
the
standpoint
of
trying
to
keep
neighborhoods
cohesive
and
follow
those
lines
and
I
think
there's
been
some
things
that
we
sort
of
pre-size,
I
personally
believe
and
I.
D
Think
it's
a
good
way
to
look
at
this
is
when
you
have
Municipal
leadership
in
line
with
State
leadership.
I
think
that's
important
and
when
you
look
at
the
lines
that
were
drawn
for
for
the
Senate
districts
and
and
who
those
people
represent,
who
their
constituents
are
our
Council
lines
try
to
mimic
that
so
that
there's
more
cohesion
between
State
and
Municipal
leadership,
on
issues,
because
they're
responding
to
the
exact
same
constituencies,
and
so
that
sort
of
elevates
those
constituencies,
voices
and
so
I
think
that's
that's
incredibly
important.
D
That's
something
that
we
looked
at
on
top
of
neighborhood
cohesion
on
top
of
communities
of
interest
is
how
this
map
and
corresponding
State
leadership
Maps.
Look
because
I
think
it's
important
for
communities
to
have
a
voice.
I
know
in
Roslindale,
for
instance,
they're
often
splintered
I
think
there's
like
depending
on
where
you
are.
D
You
might
have
four
state
reps,
you
might
have
you
know
three
senators
and
we've
that's
been
an
ongoing
joke
in
Roslindale
for
a
while
now,
and
this
makes
it
so
that
there's
a
more
uniform
way
of
approaching
those
folks,
so
that
people
don't
feel
as
if
they
have
to
go
to
multiple
levels
to
get
their
issues
heard,
and
so
this
allows
for
more
cohesion,
because
people
are
responding
to
the
very
same
constituencies.
That's
a
very
brief
overview,
but
I
feel
like
we've
spoken
more
in
depth
on
this
map
and
I.
D
Don't
want
to
take
much
more
time
on
it,
except
to
say
that
if
counselor
Anderson
wants
to
add
anything
she
she
can
but
I
frankly,
think
this
is
a
relatively
strong
map
and
we've
been
very
open
about
sort
of
the
Genesis
of
it
and
why
we've
decided
this
makes
a
lot
of
sense.
Thank
you.
Thank.
A
You
counselor
Arroyo
and
thank
you
for
your
work
on
this
counselor
Fernandez
Anderson.
You
have
a
chat
floor.
E
Thank
you,
madam
chair,
and
thank
you
to
the
vice
chair
as
well
for
holding
this
work
in
session
and
again
for
making
it
public
televised,
and
thank
you
to
council
Arroyo.
My
co-sponsor
on
this
I
think
I
will
reserve
my
time
for
any
questions
happy
to
further
discuss.
Council
Warrior
did
a
wonderful
job
explaining
it
thoroughly
so
at
this
at
this
time.
If
I
could
just
answer
questions,
if
that's
okay,.
A
Thank
you.
Well,
we
will
present
our
the
other
DACA
that
we
put
forward
for
consideration
and
comment
again,
as
I
stressed
the
other
day.
A
This
is
really
just
to
add
to
the
conversation
and
see
if
we
can,
as
a
body
can
come
up
with
a
consensus
map
that
that
addresses
the
many
many
concerns
that
our
folks
have.
With
regard
to
all
of
the
points
that
are
already
have
already
been
discussed.
A
Our
redistricting
plan
makes
a
total
of
18
Precinct
reassignments
between
districts
compared
to
the
current
Baseline
city
council
map.
These
changes
result
in
the
equalization
of
District
2's
population,
while
maintaining
Ward,
eight
and
precinct
1
Cathedral
and
Ward
9
Precinct,
one
Villa
Victoria,
the
South
End
precincts
with
significant
Chinese
immigrant
populations
in
in
the
Chinese
in
the
in
one
district
with
the
Chinatown
core
keeping
these
communities
unified
is
important
because
of
the
ruling,
as
I
mentioned
before
previous
litigation.
A
The
court
also
reported
evidence
which
suggests
that
a
minority,
the
minority
population
of
the
South,
End
and
Chinatown
is
capable
of
exerting
considerable
political
influence
within
the
district,
and
that
is
one
of
the
primary
reasons
why
we've
made
an
effort
to
try
and
unify
and
keep
keep
those
those
two
precincts
in
District
Two.
The
most
significant
change
in
our
proposal
and
I
also
encourage
you.
We
have
the
handout.
A
The
most
significant
change
in
our
proposal
is
Shifting
of
eight
precincts
along
the
boundary
between
between
District
3
and
District
Four,
proposed,
on
the
basis
of
the
voting
rack
right,
Rights
Act
considerations
at
the
same
Boston
redistricting
Court
ruling
considered
the
balance
between
cracking
and
packing
in
respect
of
an
effective
majority
majority
of
when
for
minority
districts,
a
minority
population
of
at
least
65
percent
is
a
single
in
a
single
member
district
is
necessary
to
give
major
minority
voters
a
reasonable
opportunity
to
elect
a
candidate
of
their
choice
and,
while
65
as
the
total
population
go,
60
has
been
the
aim
of
the
voting
age
population
to
reach
an
effective
majority.
A
So
that's
another
another
metric
that
is
used
so
in
2010,
District
3
had
62.3
total
minority
population
and
58.3
voting
age,
minority
population
in
2010,
in
2020.
That
and
and
and
this
has
to
be
considered
I'll
just
back
up
a
limit.
The
goal
is
to
try
and
strengthen
them
and
strengthen
or
or
maintain
or
or
strengthen.
Three
four
minority
opportunity.
Districts
in
the
city.
A
People
have
looked
at
the
maps
and
looked
at
all
sorts
of
different
permutations,
and
the
four
is
the
maximum
number
of
opportunity.
Districts
or
majority
minority
districts
said
that
it's
possible
in
the
in
any
possible
scenario
in
the
city,
so
it's
really
important
to
try
and
strengthen
and
maintain
the
minority
districts
in
2020
District
3
61.8,
total
majority
total
minority,
a
population
and
58.5
voting
age,
minority
population,
our
proposal
and
our
proposal,
District
3,
64.9,
total
minority
would
produce
a
voting
age,
61.5
voting
age
minority.
A
So
really
it's
it's!
The
in
terms
of
strengthening
the
exit,
the
existing
minority
districts
majority
minority
districts.
This
is
the
proposal
that
we
are
putting
on
the
table
for
now.
A
We
understand
and
appreciate
that
this
is
a
three
percent
bump
in
the
total
population
and
voting
age
population
making
District
3
the
fourth
truly
minority
opportunity
District
by
voting
age.
We
absolutely
recognize
that
the
proposal
would
be
disruptive
to
the
lives
of
community
members,
but
that
would
also
make
the
greatest
difference
towards
ensuring
that
all
residents
are
of
color
across
our
city
have
a
fair
opportunity
to
elect
candidates
of
their
choice.
A
So
so
we
I
will
just
go
through
the
the
the
the
presentation
and
the
handout.
So
we
mentioned
this
proposed
of
it
proposed
precincts
proposed
to
change.
Districts
is
a
total
of
18.
A
Precinct
one
is
remember:
district
one
is
staying
reasonably
stable.
We
are
adding.
What
are
we
adding
back
to
the
first
page,
adding
13
10,
no
310
to
District
1.?
A
A
A
F
A
A
A
And
the
next
one
was
Ford
4-2
would
go
from
two
to
eight.
A
We
hope
that
the
this
map
that
we
are
proposing
will
address
the
issue
of
merely
strengthening
our
majority
minority
districts
in
the
city
for
the
next
10
years
and
how
offer
offer
communities
of
color
and
our
minority
districts
in
our
minority
districts.
Majority
minority
districts
is
an
opportunity
to
elect
the
candidates
of
their
choice.
A
So
right,
let's
see.
A
District
three,
the
industry,
three,
the
white
alone
population
is
35.1
percent,
and
the
voting
age
population
by
by
age
is
82.1
percent
and
the
white
alone
voting
age,
population
and
I
understand
that
the
total
population
is
one
metric
and
then
the
voting
age
population
is
another
metric
white
alone.
Population
in
District,
3
is
35.1
percent
and
the
voting
age
population
is
82.1
percent
white
alone,
38.5
percent.
A
So
this
map
would,
with
the
changes
in
this
map,
the
total
minority
population
in
District
3
would
increase
from
58.4
percent
to
61.5
percent,
and
we
feel
that
that
greatly
strengthens
the
majority
minority
vote
in
District
3.,
and
this
is
one
offering
you
know.
We
fully
understand
that
there
are
other
there's
so
many
permutations
on
this.
A
That
will
get
us
to
if
this
is
the
goal
that
we're
going
for
that
there
are
other
other
options,
but
this
is
what
we're
presenting
right
now
in
District,
Four,
District
Four,
a
white
alone
population
in
District
Four,
is
in
this
PR
in
this.
Offering
is
10.5
percent
and
the
voting
age
population
by
by
age,
the
total
pop
and
the
voting
age
population
percentage
is
75.75
percent
a
white
alone.
A
Popular
voting
age
population
is
12.2
percent
in
District
4.,
and
this
in
this
map,
the
total
minority,
the
total
minority
population
by
by
total
population
is
89.5
and
the
total
minority
by
voting
age
is
87.8.
So
again,
I
think
we've
we're
trying
to
strengthen
the
actually
we're
trying
to
balance
the
the
the
racial
minority,
total
minority
numbers
between
District,
3
and
District
Four
to
try
and
get
a
little
more
increase
the
opportunity
in
District,
three
I
think
that's
really
the
the
Crux
of
it.
A
Those
are
the
two
that
those
working
on
the
margins
of
District,
3
and
District
Four
is
where
we've
focused
a
lot
of
our
attention.
The
other
precincts,
the
South
End
precincts,
have
already
discussed.
A
So
I'm
going
to
call
on.
A
I
just
want
to
read
something
about
the
U.S
Department
of
Justice
document
on
on
the
Voting
Rights
I'd
like
to
read
into
the
record
a
portion
of
the
U.S
Department
of
Justice
document
published
on
September
1st
19
2021,
entitled
guidance
under
Section
2
of
the
Voting
Rights
Act
52
act,
52,
USC,
10301
for
redistricting
and
methods
of
electing
government
bodies.
A
Section
2
of
the
Voting
Rights
Act
prohibits,
among
other
things,
any
electoral
practice
or
procedure
that
minimizes
or
cancels
out
the
voting
strength
of
members
of
a
racial
or
language
minority
groups
in
the
voting
population.
This
phenomenon
is
known
as
vote:
dilution
in
certain
Thornburg
versus
gingles,
five,
four,
seven,
eight
U.S
30
1986.,
the
Supreme
Court,
set
out
the
framework
of
for
challenges
to
such
practices
and
procedures.
A
Analysis
Begins
by
considering
whether
three
Jingles
preconditions
exist.
First,
the
minority
group
must
be
sufficiently
large
and
geographically
compact
to
constitute
a
majority
of
the
voting
age
population
and
a
single
member
district.
Second,
the
minority
group
must
be
politically
cohesive
and
third,
the
majority
must
vote
sufficiently
as
a
block
to
enable
it
in
the
absence
of
a
spec
of
special
circumstances
such
as
the
minority
candidate
running
on
a
post,
usually
to
defeat
the
minority
group's
preferable
candidate.
A
A
The
amendments
as
rap
number,
nine,
seven
Dash
417
at
28-29
1982,
which
are
generally
known
as
the
Senate
factors.
These
factors
are
themselves
drawn
from
earlier
case
law
and
the
factors
include
the
extent
of
any
history
of
official
discrimination
in
the
state
or
political
subdivision.
That
touched
the
right
of
the
members
of
the
minority
group
to
register,
to
vote
or
otherwise
to
participate
in
the
Democratic
process.
A
The
extent
to
which
voting
and
the
elections
of
the
state
and
political
or
some
political
subdivision
is
racially
polarized.
The
extent
to
which
the
state
and
political
subdivision
are
used
unusually
large
and
are
has
used
unusually
large
election
districts,
majority
vote
requirements,
anti-single,
shot,
Provisions
or
other
voting
practices
or
procedures.
That
may
enhance
the
opportunity
for
discrimination
against
a
minority
group.
If
there's
a
candidate
slating
process,
whether
the
members
of
the
of
the
minority
group
have
been
denied
access
to
that
process.
A
The
Senate
report
also
identified
two
additional
factors
that
have
been
probative
have
probative
value
in
some
cases,
whether
there
is
a
significant
lack
of
responsiveness
on
the
part
of
elected
officials
to
protect
to
the
particularized
needs
of
the
members
of
the
minority
group
and
whether
the
policy
underlying
the
state
or
political
subdivisions
use
of
such
voting
qualification,
prerequisite,
devoting
or
standard
practice
or
procedure
is
tenuous.
A
So
that's
just
some
background.
This
will
be
placed
on
the
on
the
the
website
as
well
for
folks
to
reference
this.
This
document
is
available
on
the
website.
Boston.Gov,
backslash,
redistricting
and
we've
just
put
that
into
the
record
as
some
background
information
folks.
Would
anyone
like
to
have
questions
for
the
present
proponents
of
the
different
Maps
right
now,
councilor
Flynn,
you
have
a
floor.
It's
a
big
pardon
country
said
you're,
happy.
G
Thank
you,
madam
chair,
and
thank
you
to
the
vice
chair,
Council
Rowland,
share
breeding
for
the
important
work
you're
doing
I've
been
listening
to
the
debate
for
for
a
period
of
time
that
I
wanted
to
weigh
in
on
a
couple
a
couple
of
issues
that
I
I
thought
were
were
important.
G
You
know:
preservation
of
core
districts
to
the
extent
possible.
We
should
maintain
districts
as
previous
previously
drawn
as
much
as
we
can
with
that
in
mind
as
it
impacts
my
district
in
District
2.,
it's
not
my
district.
It's
it's!
The
it's!
The
people's
District,
it's
critically
important
to
me
that
parts
of
the
South
and
South
Boston
that
are
currently
in
District
to
remain
remain
in
District,
2.
G
and
also
compactness,
so
that
we
have
a
minimum
distance
between
all
parts
of
a
constituency
so
that,
ideally
a
district
would
be
you
know
a
circle
or
a
square
hexagon,
some
something
that
that
makes
sense.
Preservation
of
communities
of
Interest
keeping
areas
with
residents
have
a
common
interest
together.
G
G
I
think
all
versions
of
maps
so
far
show
that
I
know
that
Villa,
Victoria
and
Cathedral
would
also
need
to
stay
in
the
same
district.
That's
something
I
support!
G
You
know:
I've
I've,
seen
different
maps
that
it's
in
different
districts,
but
it's
important
that
we
work
together
to
make
sure
the
interest
and
the
voices
of
of
those
residents
are
hurt
overall,
throughout
this
redistricting
process,
I'd
like
to
retain
and
keep
neighborhoods
of
South
Boston
that
have
traditionally
been
part
of
District
2,
but
also
the
South
Boston
Waterfront
as
well
fort
Fort,
Point,
South,
Boston
Waterfront.
G
G
Also
they
have
a
a
strong
connection
and
relationship
with
the
wolf
District,
as
well
with
the
Ford
point
in
the
Waterfront,
so
I'm
so
I
know
the
wharf
District,
based
on
a
lot
of
these
relationships,
also
would
like
to
continue
to
stay
in
with
the
South
Boston
Waterfront
as
well,
but
I'm
I'm
open
to
working
with
my
colleagues
in
into
talking
about
talking
about
these
issues.
I
don't
have
anything
any
questions
per
se,
but
I
just
wanted
to
highlight
some
of
the
issues
that
I
had.
H
Thank
you,
manager
and
I
know
you
had
to
explain
that
you
had
said
you
had
18
Precinct
changes
in
your
proposed
in
Vice
chairs,
proposed
map.
I
just
had
a
similar
question
to
both
of
our
other
Maps
so
to
council
Murphy
how
many
Precinct
changes
to
into
districts
and
your
proposed
map
can.
H
Thank
you
and
then
thank
you
and
through
the
chair
to
the
makers
of
the
other
map,
Council
Royal
Council
and
this
Fernandez
Anderson.
How
many
precincts
will
be
changing
districts
in
your
map
proposal.
D
H
D
F
A
Chip.
Thank
you
any
other
questions.
At
night,
I
I'm,
I'm
counselor
baker
has
prepared
a
little
historic
background
to
the
history
of
precincting
over
the
redistricting
over
the
last
40
Years.
Thank
you
for
your
work
on
this
counselor
Baker.
Would
you
like
to
have
the
floor
right
now
and
just
to
give.
I
Us
sure
A,
Brief,
History,
lesson,
sure
and
and
less
of
a
less
of
a
presentation,
more
of
just
maps,
of
what
the
original
core
districts
were.
Like
so
I,
think,
council,
president
read
them,
read
them
off
the
the
redistricting
principles
or
criteria
that
the
state
followed.
You
know
it
was
compactness
continuity,
contiguity,
I,
believe
I,
think
I
have
that
right:
preservation
of
political
subdivisions
which
are
the
boundaries
which
would
which
would
be
you
know,
main
streets.
I
It
could
be
railroads,
they
could
be
Parks,
preservation
of
community
interests
and
preservation
of
cores
of
Prior
prior
districts
and
I
had
said
this
from
the
beginning,
especially
we
were
running
running
out
of
time
and
this
we
should
look
at
what
our
districts
are
now
and
and
less
less
trying
to
go
into
more
political
aspirations
sort
of
changes,
and
because
these
these
principles
are
what
are
what
we
need
to
attain.
I
Otherwise,
that
is
how
you
get
challenged
in
court
and
I
would
say:
I,
don't
see
a
map,
I
I,
don't
think
any
of
our
Maps
would
would
stand
up
to
a
court
challenge
challenge
right
now
as
it
stands
so
I
have
from
83
when
the
when
the
maps
when,
when
we
first
when
we
first
became
districts,
93
103,
13
13,
which
I
was
involved
in
13.
and
I'll
I'll,
speak
about
13
a
little
bit.
I
13
I
was
a
brand
new
counselor
I
was
elected
in
November
11
on
a
Tuesday
on
that
Thursday
2011
Maureen
Feeney
had
had
left
to
become
the
to
become
the
city
clerk,
so
District
three
was
without
representation.
The
body
asked
me
to
come
in
and
sit
in
working
sessions.
I
Now
in
full
disclosure,
I
was
a
printer
I'm,
a
construction
type
of
guy
I,
never
had
a
computer
or
even
a
or
even
a
business
card
or
a
or
a
email
address
address
at
that
point,
much
more
comfortable
with
a
screw
gun
or
a
hammer
in
my
hand
than
any
any
sort
of
this
thing
here
and
I
believe
I
was
taking
advantage
of
it.
At
that
point.
I
I
was
told
that
we
needed
to
to
gain
in
the
North
that
isn't
necessarily
the
case
if
I
knew
what
I
know
today,
this
map
wouldn't
look
the
way
it
looks
in
Dorchester.
We,
when
you
say
you're
from
Dorchester
or
when
you
did
say
you
were
from
Dorchester,
you
would
always
identify
Parish,
so
we
have
very
clear
Parish
boundaries,
very
clear
Parish
boundaries
that
I
I
believe
should
be
respected.
I
My
community
of
interest
is
Dorchester
based
around
the
original
map,
which
they
took
Dorchester,
Ave
and
say:
okay,
this
this
is
a
boundary.
Let's,
let's
use
that
boundary.
I
What
happened
to
me
was
they
took
16,
16,
1
and
3
away
from
me,
which,
which
shouldn't
have
happened,
and
then
they
and
then
they
took
from
Ward
17.
The
precincts
that
make
up
Saint
Greg's
Parish
will
be
17-4,
17,
12
17
14..
That
would
make
up
that
would
make
up
Lower,
Mills
and
also
Saint
Greg's
Parish.
I
I
That
boundary
over
here
would
be
Saint,
Greg's
Parish,
numerous,
not
numerous
a
couple
of
these
Maps
here
they
go
in
and
they
they
cut
up
the
core
of
my
district,
which
would
be
Saint
in
Saint
Brendan's
core
core
of
the
district
they
are
now
merged
into
Saint,
Martin
de
pores
I
would
I
would
argue
that
those
districts
should
absolutely
stay
together.
That's
like
I
said
a
core
of
the
original
historic
district.
I
I
think
we're
trying
to
do
a
lot
here
in
a
little
bit
of
time
and
I
think
we're
going
to
get
into
trouble
doing
it.
Just
just
being
straight
on
that
Madam
Madam,
chair,
I'm,
I
would
like
to
see
those
precincts
come
back
into
District
three
and
District
3
start
to
retreat
out
of
what
is
those
downtown
precincts
that
I
got
sent
into
because
people
I
won't
get
into
that
yet,
just
because
I
was
I
was
taking,
I
was
taken
out
of
I,
don't
think,
there's
really
that
much
commonality.
I
If
we,
if
we
talk
about
whether,
if
it's
zoning
Dorchester
being
1f2
f3f
zoning
pretty
much
across
the
board,
you
start
going
into
the
south
end
and
even
into
South
Boston.
You
have
more
of
a
multi
I
believe
it's
called
multi-family
industrial,
something
like
that.
Not
much
commonality
there
with
Dorchester
again
and
I
would
also
argue.
I
would
and
note
these
precincts
down
here
these
three
precincts
and
even
you
could
add,
17
11
in
there
all
majority
black
precincts.
I
So
that
would
add
to
the
black
number
in
the
the
black
voting
power
in
the
industry,
which
I
would
argue
now
now
again.
I
think
us
saying
that
we
want
to
make
District
Four
an
opportunity
District,
where
it's
already
60
40,
pretty
close,
pretty
close
I
think
someone
that
that
could
could
coalesce
around
communities
could
absolutely
either
knock
me
off
or
or
be
elected
to
that
seat.
I
If
you
have,
if,
if
you're
able
to
go
across
multiple
communities,
the
health
care,
the
health
care,
the
health
center
movement
was
one
of
the
one
of
the
things
that
was
originally
talked
about
in
the
83
District.
I
Now
the
very
first
Health
Center
in
the
country
was
Gaga
Gibson
13-3,
the
second
one
was
naponset,
which
would
be
sainian
Saint,
Brendan,
16,
8,
16,
5,
16,
9,
16,
10,
core
core
of
District,
three
and
and
another
and
I
just
say
this,
because
my
mother
was
a
founding
member
of
the
Little
House
Health
Center
on
Dorchester
Ave,
which
was
in
Saint
Margaret,
St,
Williams
Parish.
One
of
the
things
that
did
happen,
that
was
good
last
time
was
I,
was
able
to
pick
up
7879
which
unified
the
Saint
Margaret's
Parish.
I
My
theme,
Here,
is
parishes
communities.
Over
these
last
40
years.
Those
parishes
have
been
decimated
and
in
the
Saint
Brendan's
parishes.
One
of
the
parishes
where
the
Scandal
played
out
in
the
Catholic
Church
wasn't
very
good
to
that
community
there
and
they
still
haven't
really
answered
to
a
lot
of
the
wrongs
that
happened
in
that
Parish.
I
I
Again,
this
isn't
about
political
aspirations.
This
is
about
compactness
continuity,
yeah
preservation,
preservation
of
core
districts
and
and
divisions
real
clean,
looking
clean,
looking
districts,
some
of
the
districts
that
we
have
here
now
and
I-
don't
mean
any
disrespect
here.
But
the
border
between
between
three
and
four
looks
like
looks
like
the
the
turkeys
that
we
grew
that
we
drew
in
in
first
grade.
Yeah,
that's
not
a
clear
boundary,
that's
something
that
that
is
that
is,
can
be
challenged
in.
I
We
don't
have
the
time
to
go
through
multiple
Maps
here
last
time,
I
believe
we
we
threw
out
three
Maps.
They
were
all
vetoed
across
the
hall
and
I
believe
it
was
the
fourth
map
that
we
that
we
come
up
with
might
have
been
the
third
map,
I
I,
don't
really
remember,
but
District
three
I
believe
with
these
changes
here,
which
gave
me
my
Southern
border,
which
unite,
unite,
Saint
Greg's
back
into
District
three,
which
would
unite
them
with
Mont
Deportes
and
with
Saint
Ambrose
and
with
with
Saint
Margarets.
F
I
In
and
quite
frankly,
I
think
we
have
to
look
at
precincts
that
are
up
around
here
that
that
are
going
to
connect
your
District
Madam
chair,
because
I
think
in
10
years
we're
all
going
to
need
to
add.
Probably
it's
either
going
to
be
a
new
District
or
it's
going
to
be
everybody
going
up
to
80
000.
we're
unable
to
do
that
with
you.
If
this
with.
I
I
Precinct
being
unlocked
now
would
allow
would
allow
District
Two
no
not
to
Kenzie.
It
now
would
have
more
commonality,
I
believe
in
this
part
of
this.
In
this
part
of
the
city.
Maybe
the
South
End.
Is
there
that's
for
something
to
look
at
down
the
future
I
think
we
gotta
get
back
and
stick
with
our
feet
here
in
in
compact
districts,
changes
around
the
edges
and
and
foreign
quite
frankly,
these
districts
as
much
as
anything
need
to
look
compact.
I
The
council,
from
from
District
Five,
talked
about
I've
heard
them
mention
a
couple
times
about
mimicking
the
lines
of
the
first
Suffolk
senate
senate
District
Senator
to
district
is
140
people,
140
150,
basically
twice
the
size
of
what
we
have
I
agree
with
them
he's
correct,
but
two
distance,
District,
three
mimics,
the
South,
the
the
first
Suffolk
and
then
in
the
North
District
Two
would
mimic
the
north
northern
part
of
that
first
Suffolk
district
and
I
I
feel
strongly
about
this
and
I
think
that
my
community
of
Interest
Dorchester
is
being
hurt
in
these
proposals
and
just
so
people
know.
I
I
Foreign
thank
you,
madam
chair,
and
again
I
I
I'm,
looking
to
retreat
from
the
south
end
and
pick
up
what
was
traditionally
ours
in
District,
three
and
and
adding
those
lower
precincts,
I'm,
adding
black
populations,
I
haven't
I,
haven't
come
up
with
what
the
numbers
will
be,
but
if,
if
I
pick
up
three
precincts
in
the
in
the
southwestern
Corner,
originally
part
of
my
district,
that
are
all
I,
think
they're
at
least
60
percent
black
precincts
that
will
that
will
get
us
towards
towards
where
we
want
to
be
with
an
opportunity
District
in
District
three
and
one.
I
The
last
point
that
I
will
make
and
thank
you
for
allowing
me
the
time.
One
point
is:
when
the
state
went
through
this
exercise
and
they
had
been,
they
did
it
for
a
year.
I
know
we're
doing
it
for
six
weeks
they
abandoned
voter
age
population
that
was
unable
to
attain
so
I
think
we're
complicating
trying
to
get
voting
age
population
and
this
population
we've
got
to
get
it
close.
We've
got
to
get
it
close.
You
can't
put
a
number
there:
okay!
I
I
Is
the
first
one
when
we
had
our
first
date
first
districts
and
the
last
one
is
13
which
it's
revised
in
16
here.
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
A
And-
and
you
know,
voting
Edge
population
is
one
metric
and,
as
you
say,
it
has
been
used
to
evaluate
maps
in
the
past.
The
other
thing
that
has
been
used
in
the
past,
to
you
know
to
be
a
consideration,
is
projected
growth
and
I've.
A
We
do
this
and
I'll
not
be
here.
I
can
promise.
You
know
that
we
seriously
need
to
push
on
on
the
representing
process
so
that
we
don't
have
precincts
that
have
got
six
thousand
people
in
them.
I
think
that
that
is
something
that's
sort
of
an
urgent
consideration
and
then
also
the
projected
growth
in
in
our
city.
A
I
know
that
district
one
is
looking
at
possibly
10,
000
new
units
of
housing,
I
think
Alston
Brighton
is
looking
at
I,
don't
know
we're
under
an
incredible
boom
of
Housing
Development
right
now
and
I
I,
don't
know
where
it's
going
to
land
us,
but
I.
Think
that
begs
the
question
and
where
do
we
go
because
in
Austin,
in
District
district
9
we're
surrounded
by
Cambridge,
Watertown,
Newton
and
Brookline?
There's
nowhere
for
us
to
go
except
back
into
District
district
8.
and
District
8
is
burgeoning
with
a
lot
of
new
development
as
well.
F
A
Who's
in
a
counselor
I'm
looking
over
this
way,
who's
next
councilor
Lara,
councilor,
honor
System,
here
cancer,
councilmania
Europe,
Committee
Member-
will
take
you
first.
Thank
you.
J
Thank
you
chair
and
thank
you
to
my
colleague
for
the
history
lesson.
I
really
do
appreciate
him
just
for
the
record.
I
am
from
Saint
Ambrose
Parish,
but
I
also
know
that
a
lot
has
changed
over
the
years.
So
the
folks
who
are
part
of
that
Parish
when
I
was
growing
up,
are
no
longer
part
of
that
Parish.
So
things
continue
to
evolve
as
we
continue
to
move
people
around
And.
In
regards
to
just
the
the
whole
idea
of
the
anticipated
growth
in
the
city
of
Boston
I'm,
just
curious.
J
A
A
And
and
back
to
your
question
about,
you
know
the
development,
that's
that
sort
of
is
another
reason
why
we
really
need
to
do
representing
process
in
in
the
city
needs
to
commit
to
doing
that
before
the
you
know,
when
we
get
the
next
sentence
has
done
to
do
a
representing
you
know
across
the
whole
city.
It's
a
very
it's
a
heavy
lift.
This
time,
we're
represented
I,
think
we
added
20
new
precincts,
but
we
will.
A
So
you
know
the
reprecincting
process
is
really
critical.
To
put
put
aside
the
projected
you
know
the
the
develop
the
development
and
the
racial
demographics
of
the
population
in
you
know
really
it's
we
have
to
look
at
total
population
and
then
do
the
representing
process.
Yeah.
J
And,
and
through
the
chair
to
my
Council
colleagues,
either
councilman
Murphy
or
counselor
Baker,
you
can
vote
either
one
if
it's
okay,
to
ask
a
question
through
the
chair.
Is
that
I've
heard
the
reference
of
parishes
a
few
times
in
both
of
these
spaces,
so
I
just
want
to
know
for
the
record.
Are
we
considering
that
a
community
of
interest?
Is
that
a
reason
why
we
keep
referencing
the
parish
just
so
that
I'm,
clear
in
terms
of?
J
A
I
Thank
you.
Thank
you,
madam
chair.
My
community
of
interest
is
Dorchester
within
that
community
of
Dorchester.
Those
boundaries
are
parishes
that
are
that
were
boundaries
that
there's
common
commonality
in
so
for
me,
it's
a
it's.
A
community
of
interests
would
would
a
definition
as
community
of
Interest
perish.
I,
don't
really
know.
For
me,
it's
a
community
of
interest.
It's
definitely
a
community
of
interest,
but
but
my
community
of
interests
as
a
whole
is
Dorchester
and
part
of
uniting.
Dorchester
is
uniting
those
parishes.
A
I
A
Which
is
the
largest
Borough
in
the
in
the
country,
and
so
so
what
really
was
identifying
the
geographic
location
and
then,
if
I'm
understanding
correctly,
the
different
parishes
had
a
different
flavor.
Like
you
had
the
Polish
triangle,
we
had
different
ethnic
groups
that
settled
in
different
parts
as
well,
so
that
that
added
to
the
color
and
the
flavor
of
of
each
Parish,
so
yeah
yeah.
We.
F
I
Mean
we've
been
a
pretty
mixed
Community,
my
my
whole
life.
So
you
go
from
the
Polish
triangle.
The
Polish
Church
in
Andrew
Square
come
down
to
Saint
Margaret's.
If
you
go
to
Saint
Margaret's
I'll,
be
there
Sunday
at
nine
o'clock,
you'll
see
Vietnamese
you'll,
see
Haitian
you'll,
see
a
lot
of
Cape,
Verdean
and
you'll
see
some
white
people.
I
That's
my
original
Power
St
Williams
is
gone
folded
into
Saint
Margaret
Saint
Ambrose
would
now
be
pretty
much
almost
all
Vietnamese
you're
going
down
the
same
St
Mark's.
That's
going
to
be
that's
going
to
be
immigrant
in
in
a
lot
of
black
people.
I
You
go
to
Saint
Greg's
Saint
Greg's
would
be
mixed,
probably
attending
the
parish
itself.
Those
boundaries
that
we're
looking
at
would
be
probably
predominantly
black
in
Saint
Greg's
and
then
the
flip
side
of
that
at
Saint,
Brendan,
St,
Anne's,
now
merged
together,
St
Martin
de
Poors
would
be
pretty
much
white,
but
but
still
mixed
in
their
Vietnamese
Haitian
black
black
people.
So.
A
J
Yes,
thank
you
chair,
just
one
more
just
I
just
want
to
hear
for
the
record
just
so
that
I'm
very
clear
that
parishes
are
not
going
to
be
con.
Are
they
are
you
going
to
be
considering
parishes
as
communities
of
interest
in
this
particular
discussion
that
we're
engaging
in
right?
Now,
that's
what
I
need
to
understand.
I.
A
J
A
C
Yeah
I'll
follow
up
a
little.
So
to
me
the
parishes
are
definitely
Geographic
markers
that
make
boundaries
in
Dorchester
for
historical
reasons
were
anchored
more
around
their
parishes
and
those
churches.
Most
of
them
were
catholic
churches,
provided
resources
to
the
neighborhoods.
I
grew
up
in
Saint
Anne's
I
now
live
in
Saint
Mark's
Saint
Anne's.
When
I
was
growing
up.
There
was
a
predominantly
Irish
Catholic,
Community
First
second
generation
immigrants.
St
Marks
is
very
Vietnamese.
C
Now
one
of
the
Sunday
masses
now
is
said
all
in
Vietnamese,
so
geographically
and
I
know,
there's
obviously
South
Boston
has
you
know
gay
to
heaven
and
Saint
Bridget's,
but
Dorchester
has
always
been
a
neighborhood
of
parishes
that
then
businesses
right
business
districts.
So
when
you
think
of
Adam's
Corner,
which
two
of
these
Maps
do
split
the
business
district
of
Adams
Village
up
Adams
Street,
you
have
six
eight
on
one
side
and
you
have
611
on
the
other,
so
you
would
be
splitting
a
business
district
which
is
also
in
Saint
Brendan's
Catholic
Community.
C
C
So
to
me,
it
there's
markers
that
are
designating
it
and
you
can
really
anchor
someone
who
tells
me
often
many
people
say:
they're
ofd
originally
from
Dorchester
I
like
to
say,
slid,
I'm
s
still
living
in
Dorchester,
but
anyone
who
has
moved
out
of
Dorchester
will
ask
you
what
parish
and
then
they
instantly
many
from
Saint
Peter's
came
into
Saint
Anne's
and
it's
just
a
way.
Historically,
like
you
said
you
were
there
with
me:
you
grew
up
in
Saint,
Ambrose
and
St
Williams.
C
We
now
burned
down
and
but
there's
history
to
Dorchester
stronger
than
any
other
community
in
our
city
that
anchors
themselves
around
these
churches.
If
they
attend
them
or
not,
because
we
know
Saint
Brandon's
in
Saint
Anne's
needed
to
combine
line
because
many
of
their
churches
were
empty.
So
it's
more
geographical
markers
and
the
community
feels
strong
around
those.
A
Councilor
Murphy
you're
welcome
councilman
here
I.
J
Do
appreciate
my
colleagues
sentiments
in
regards
to
the
parish
situation,
but
I
will
just
have
to
say
that
we're
we're
in
a
very
different
time
here
in
the
city
of
Boston,
right
and
I
I,
don't
know
if
my
particular
reference
to
being
from
Saint
Ambrose
I
did
my
first
communion
there
right
that
was
like
150
years
ago.
I
I
think
it
would
be
really
hard-pressed
for
us
to
assume
that
black
and
brown
people
when
they
ask
well
I,
know
when
I
ask
people
where
you're
from
they
tell
me
Phil's
Corner
Ashmont.
J
They
don't
tell
me
they're
from
such
and
such
Parish,
so
I,
don't
I.
Don't
want
us
to
get
into
that
notion
that
black
and
brown
people
identify
themselves
with
the
parish
and
I.
Think
that
is
really
important
for
us
to
remain
focused
on
the
voters
right
act
and
what
this
is
all
about
and
not
try
to
stretch
things
to
fit
a
narrative.
J
I
It's
about
the
boundaries.
This
is
minutia
we're
getting
into
here.
It's
about
the
boundaries,
it's
about
daughter,
it's
about
the
southwestern
boundary
and
that
Southwestern
boundary
happens
to
be
Saint,
Greg's
or
Lower
Mills.
Whatever
you
want
to
do
we're
into
like
I
said
we're
into
minutia.
I
A
You
councilor
Baker
councilor
Lara.
You
are
you're
next
up,
you
have.
K
The
floor.
Thank
you.
Madam
chair
I
have
a
few
things.
There
is
a
sentence
in
the
section
2
analysis
around
discriminatory
results
that
talks
about
minority
groups
must
be
politically
cohesive.
Do
we
know
if
the
Department
of
Justice
gives
us
definition
of
what
they
mean
by
politically
cohesive,
or
do
you
have
something
that
you
would
like
to
offer.
A
About
that
that's
certainly,
we
are
Consulting
with
the
law
department,
and
that
is
certainly
a
question,
a
definition
that
we
would
probably
need
to
get
some.
So
would
you
like
to
put
that
that's
a
question
for
the
Law
Department?
Absolutely
so,
what's
the
question
again
we'll
take
note
of
it.
A
E
A
Even
there
isn't
political
cohesion
in
the
white
Community
either
for
that
matter.
So
yes,
we
will
seek
legal
advice
on
that.
K
Yeah
so
I
think
that
that's
important
for
that
matter,
I
think.
Secondly,
we've
talked
about
in
the
map
that
the
chair
and
the
vice
chair
submitted.
Docket
1216
and
counselor
Baker
referenced
a
little
bit
the
the
jigs,
the
jigsaw
version
like
kind
of
look
of
the
lines,
and
we
are
talking
about
the
increase
in
communities
of
color
in
the
population
and
the
voting
age
of
communities
of
colors.
K
Now
making
District
three
under
this
map
a
opportunity
District,
but
I'm,
really
curious
about
what
the
actual
voter
turnout
is
here
because
we
could
be
talking
about.
You
know
we're
increasing
the
percentage
of
people
of
color
in
this
District
by
X
percentage
and
then
we're
talking
about
100
votes
and
when
we
talk
about
voter
dilution-
or
you
know,
there's
another
section
here
in
the
analysis
of
discriminatory
result
that
talks
about
the
majority
must
vote
sufficiently
as
a
block
to
enable
it-
maybe
getting
some
legal
Clarity
around
that
but
I.
K
A
Voter
turnout,
certainly
excellent
questions;
Dr,
sorry
I'm,
just
giving
you
a
new
title,
doctor
counselor
florell,
go
ahead!
Sorry,
no.
B
I
was
just
saying
to
council,
Laura's,
Point
I
think
we
should
do
that
to
all
maps
to
make
sure
that
voted
eye
looks
is
not
going
on
against
any
proposed
Maps.
B
A
A
list
of
the
precincts
that
they're
switching,
we
wouldn't
necessarily
have
any
of
you.
You
know
we
would
have
some
someone
do
the
analysis
and
looking
at
voting,
voting
history
and
voting
patterns
for
all
all
the
maps
would
be
useful
and
again
to
your
point
about
the
political
cohesion
of
the
different
we
we
will
ask
that
question
as
well.
Great.
K
The
other
question
that
I
have
is
that
in
councilor
Baker's
historical
presentation,
he
talked
about
defining
the
core
of
a
neighborhood
and
I.
Think
we
oscillated
a
little
bit
between
kind
of
like
cultural
cores
of
a
neighborhood
and
the
physical
geographical
core
of
the
neighborhood
and
I
just
wanted
to
uplift
that
the
voting
right,
the
Voting
Rights
Act
talks
about
maintaining
the
core
as
a
geographical
core,
meaning
that
we
cut
along
and
councilor
Baker
did
reference
that
a
couple
of
times.
K
But
then
we
kind
of
went
into
talking
about
cultural
cores
of
neighborhoods
and
the
referencing
of
like
Nubian
square
and
which
Nubian
Square
by
happenstance
is
also
at
the
geographical
center.
But
in
the
conversation
about
the
parishes
and
so
on.
Just
wanted
to
for
the
record
make
clear
that
when
we're
talking
about
maintaining
cores
of
districts
that
were
talking
about
the
geographical
center
and
not
cultural
cores
of
the
district,
I
really
appreciate
the
thought
that
has
gone
into
considering
the
communities
of
Interest,
particularly
in
Dorchester,
but
I
really
and
I.
Guess.
K
My
question
is
about
what
are
we
considering
secondary
right?
The
Voting
Rights
Act
really
calls
on
us
to
look
at
racial
and
language,
minorities
and
communities
of
Interest
because
they
can
be
defined
as
basically
anything
are
secondary
to
that
task
of
empowering
communities
of
racial
and
language
minorities,
and
so
as
historical
as
parishes
are
they're,
not
you
know,
and
and
can
be
considered
communities
of
Interest,
absolutely,
both
culturally
and
religiously.
They
are
secondary
and
tertiary
to
what
we're
trying
to
do
here.
So
we
also
keep
going
back
to
the
forward
projecting
conversation.
K
There
were
at
least
six
comments
made
about
the
forward
projecting
conversation.
We
have,
we
removed
it
from
the
principles
because
we
are
not
allowed
to
use
the
forward
projecting
conversation
and
Senator
Diane
Wilkerson.
You
know
very
clearly
stated
for
us
in
her
testimony
that
you
know
she.
She
believed
that
we
removed
it
from
the
principles
but
didn't
remove
it
from
our
minds,
and
here
we
are
having
a
conversation
about
the
projections.
K
A
A
How
are
we
doing
anyone
else
got
any
questions
or
comments.
D
Thank
you
so
much
and
I
just
want
to
note
that
you
know
we're
dealing
with
real
population
increase
in
District
Two.
That's
that's!
The
Crux
of
a
lot
of
our
like
the
a
lot
of
the
issues
with
this
map
is
that
you're
up
13
500
people
in
District,
Two,
And,
so
I've
heard
a
lot
of
mention
about
legally
defensible
or
compactness,
and
all
these
different
things.
This
is
a
legally
defensible
map.
D
This
is
entirely
legally
defensible
from
the
Voting
Rights
Act
standpoint
of
trying
to
make
sure
that
you're
ensuring
racial
communities
have
an
opportunity.
This
map
does
that.
But
on
top
of
all
of
that,
if
you
were
to
attempt
to
do
say
nothing
with
District
3
and
the
north
side
of
this
map,
you
would
then
essentially
have
to
send
District
3
into
one
of
two
districts.
D
You
would
have
to
send
District
three
into
District
Four
or
you
would
have
to
send
District
three
into
District
Seven,
because
District
3
has
to
grow
under
all
variations
of
this
map
and
District
2
has
to
test
a
shrink.
Under
all.
Variations
of
this
map
doesn't
matter
whose
map
it
is.
District
2
is
going
to
have
to
shrink.
D
District
3
is
going
to
have
to
grow,
and
so,
at
the
end
of
the
day,
what
you're
really
talking
about
is,
if
District
3
were
to
somehow
go
into
District
Four
or
somehow
go
into
district
7
to
avoid
going
into
District
2
District
2
can
only
shed
votes
and
shed
people
into
District
7..
There's
there's
nowhere
else
for
it
to
go.
It
can't
go
into
district
one.
It
can't
go
into
District
eight
there's
only
two
places
it
can
go.
It
can
go
to
District
three.
It
can
go
to
District
Seven.
D
It
can
go
to
some
combination
of
the
two,
but
it
only
has
two
places
it
can
go
and
at
the
end
of
the
day,
if
you're,
trying
to
split
up
say
south
Boston
and
the
South
End
South
Boston
is
only
touching
District
three,
so
the
South
End
is
touching
District
3
and
district
7
already.
And
so,
when
you
look
at
this
map,
it
actually
does
all
of
the
population
growth
factors.
D
It
follows
all
the
voting
right
acts,
principles
of
making
sure
that
we're
uniting
communities
of
Interest,
making
sure
that
we're
empowering
racial
minorities,
but
it
also
makes
sure
that
we
keep
as
whole
as
possible
the
cores
of
these
constituencies.
It
still
isn't
Dorchester
majority
District
that
does
not
change.
It
simply
adds
the
South
End,
which
it
already
has,
and
the
truth
is
any
other
variation
of
this
map
is
going
to
require
drastic
rewiring
of
District
4
and
district
7..
D
D
So
if
you're
trying
to
make
up
that
that
District
you're
actually
geographically
taking
more
territory
going
One
Direction
than
you
are
going
in
the
other,
and
so
you
end
up
with
these
and
I-
encourage
people
to
try
and
to
do
this
at
home
using
the
the
wildly
available
District
art
map,
what
you're
going
to
find
is
district
7
gets
changed.
Incredibly,
so
District
Four
gets
changed
incredibly.
D
So
if
you
try
to
do
anything
but
send
District
three
up
north
every
map
is
going
to
have
to
do
that
because,
frankly,
if
you
don't
do
that,
district
7
will
not
look
like
district
7
anymore.
District
4
will
change
and
the
problem
back
to
the
racial
demographics
of
all
of
this
is
that
District,
4,
frankly
and
I
think
it's
the
Voting,
Rights
Act
sort
of
is
clear
in
this.
Cannot
pack
more
people
of
color
into
it?
D
It
has
to
become
a
more
white
district,
and
so,
if
you
were
following
that,
then
it
really
can't
go
into
District
Five,
because
the
precinct's
handling
sort
of
the
borders
of
that
are
majority.
People
of
color
and
it's
not
close
and
then,
if
you
go
into
District
Seven,
that's
almost
entirely
majority
people
of
color
in
the
in
the
presiding
Precinct.
So
in
order
for
that
shift
that
was
discussed
of
District
three
sort
of
taking
more
into
the
south
of
District
Four.
D
But
it
also
impacts
District
7's
lines
because
it
would
weaken
their
person
of
color,
because
in
order
to
do
that,
you
have
to
take
District
7
and
send
it
up
through
the
South
End,
which
would
then
make
it
significantly
wider
and
release
and
reduce
a
lot
of
those
population
changes.
It
just
can't
happen,
and
so
I
recognize
that
there
is
a
sort
of
back
and
forth
about
what
what
Geographic
parts
of
a
neighborhood
should
be
Untouchable
or
just
whole,
but
there's
a
practical
reality
which
I
respect
that
councilor
Braden
and
Council
Burrell.
D
D
If
I
had
my
my
wherewithal,
we
would
have
made
perfectly
shaped
precincts,
but
unfortunately,
just
like
our
streets,
that's
not
how
this
works
in
Massachusetts
or
in
Boston,
and
so
we
have
this
map
and
the
reality
is.
We
can
talk
all
day,
but
I
want
a
perfect
square,
a
perfect
rectangle.
Nothing
looks
like
that
and
if
you
look
at
District
3
on
our
map,
it
looks
very
similar
to
District
8,
which
does
the
exact
same
thing.
It
goes
all
the
way
from
Mission
Hill
all
the
way
up
to
Beacon
Hill.
D
You
can't
convince
me
that
Mission,
Hill
and
Beacon
Hill
have
the
exact
same
kinds
of
community
needs.
I
would
say
that
if
councilor
Bach
were
here,
she
would
tell
you
they
don't,
and
so
this
argument
that
somehow
a
district
has
to
be
a
hundred
percent
geographically
centered
or
a
hundred
percent
economically
the
same
or,
however,
you
want
to
try
and
deal
with
that.
D
D
Don't
think
we're
that
far
away
between
any
and
all
of
these
maps
from
getting
there
but
I
do
think
that
we
have
to
sort
of
just
accept
as
a
body
that
nobody's
gonna
love
all
of
the
lines
of
a
district,
because
you
can't
because
the
way
in
which
this
map
is
changing
due
to
population
shifts
is
different
and
I
would
just
also
note
that
1983
and
2022
to
2023
really
different
city,
it's
very
different,
and
so
from
the
standpoint
of
you
know
what
people
were
thinking
about
in
1983,
I,
don't
think
that's
nearly
as
important
as
what
our
Geographic
lines
and
our
actual
population
lines
are
saying
we
should
be
considering
I
know
my
family
in
1981
was
one
of
the
very
first
families
I
think
you
could
count
them
on
single
on
one
hand
of
color
and
and
what
would
become
District
Five
in
1983.
D
And
now
you
would
that's
a
that's
a
majority
person,
color
district
and
so
the
geographic
lines
and
and
the
ways
that
people
are
moving
and
living
in
different
parts
of
the
city
and
what
they
represent.
I
think
is
it's
important
to
have
a
historical
context,
but
I
would
also
just
note
that
the
geographic
data
and
the
fact
of
the
matter
is
the
racial
data
of
all
of
these
areas
has
changed
over
time.
D
Because,
ultimately
you
can
say
you
want
one
thing
or
you
want
another
thing:
I,
certainly
even
on
the
map
that
I
presented.
There's
things
like
I
wish,
I
could
change
I.
Just
this
is
what
it
is,
and
so,
from
the
standpoint
of
going
more
North
or
going
more
south,
there
is
a
ripple
effect
that
I
think
it's
important
that
if
people
are
talking
about
or
making
suggestions
that
they
have
a
suggestion
as
well
for
what
happens
on
that
other
half,
because
otherwise
we're
just
throwing
out
wishlist
of
things
that
can't
happen.
So.
A
Sadly,
we
don't
have
a
whole
lot
of
time
to
discuss
this
and
times
past
it
took
they
deliberated
on
these
issues
for
a
good
18
months
and
I
think
you
know
we're
really
just
getting
into
this
very
important
conversation
in
a
very
short
timeline,
so
I
I
also
welcome
like
the
folks
that
are
watching.
Like
we,
your
comments,
your
critique,
your
feedback
is
all
very
important,
so
we
encourage
folks
to
weigh
in
on
this
and
and
share
their
thoughts
on
this
very
important
discussion.
K
Thank
you,
madam
chair
I,
just
wanted
to
make
a
comment,
responding
to
councilor
Arroyo's
statement
about
this
particular
map
and
specifically
about
the
fact
that
District
2
needs
to
shrink
and
District
3
needs
to
grow
in
about
the
direction
in
which
that
growth
happens,
because
I
think
that,
and
president
Flynn
mentioned
it
I
think
you
know
for
for
the
first
time
since
we've
been
in
this
process
that
there's
an
elephant
in
the
room
that
people
are
not
mentioning,
and
it's
that
nobody's
going
to
cut
into
South
Boston.
K
None
of
these
Maps
do
it
nobody's
gonna.
So,
like
there's
the
you
you
you,
you
might
be
suggesting
that
we
cut
into
South
Boston,
but
the
reality
is
that
that
we're
not
going
to
break
up
that
neighborhood
I,
don't
want
to
be
in
that
blender.
And
you
know
good
luck
and
I.
Don't
want
to
speak
for
counselor,
Flaherty
or
counselor
Flynn,
but
good
luck
getting
them
to
to
go
back
to
South,
Boston
and
saying
hey,
hi,
we've
broken
up
the
the
neighborhood,
and
so
that
is
like
I.
K
Just
want
us
to
be
honest
about
the
fact
that,
like
we're
moving
in
One
Direction
here,
because
we
know
that
that
there's
like
a
a
direction
in
which
people
are
unwilling
politically
to
move
in
to
put
to
move
towards
and
that
we
shouldn't
I,
don't
want
to
be
in
that
blender.
Don't
put
me
on
the
list
of
people
who
are
going
to
have
to
tell
the
people
of
South
Boston
that
I
voted
on
the
map
that
cut
them
up,
because
I'm
not
going
to
do
that.
K
Similarly,
how
I
wouldn't
do
that
with
JP,
because
you're
just
there
are
like,
like
counselor
baker,
said
people
want
to
keep
their
their
neighborhoods
together,
and
so
that
does
put
us
in
a
precarious
spot,
because
the
council
has
to
vote
on
this
map.
And
that
means
that
we
have
to
get
two
seven
votes.
And
if
you
can't
get
seven
people
to
vote
to
go
in
One
Direction,
then
we
have
to
go
in
the
other
and
I
just
want
us
to
be
honest
about
in
what
direction
it
goes
into.
K
Knowing
that
District
4
and
district
7
are
black
and
people
of
color
districts
that
we
shouldn't
be
cutting
into
there
if
District,
three
and
District
district
3
needs
to
grow
and
District
2
needs
to
shrink.
If
we
want
to
keep
things
simple,
then
what
you
do
is
you
swap
between
D2
and
D3,
which
means
that
we
go
into
the
south
end.
It's
like
we're
talking
about
Simplicity
here,
we're
like
we
should
keep
it
simple.
That
is
a
simple
thing.
There
is
a
district
that
is
next
to
each
other.
One
of
them
has
to
grow.
K
One
of
them
has
to
shrink
flip
flip
the
switch
the
precincts
go
into
the
neighborhoods,
so
just
wanted
to
put
that
out
there
for
the
record.
Thank.
A
You
councilor
Lara.
We
will
take
that
under
consideration.
We
we
always
had
that
delicate
balance
to
try
and
preserve
the
community.
The
the
district
opportunity
districts
that
we
have
we've
got
four
right
now
and
diluting
the
population,
and
any
of
them
significantly
would
would
change
that
calculus
as
well.
So
that's
another
consideration,
Council
flower.
Do
you
have
the
floor
if.
H
You're
interested
continuing
on
on
that
same
theme
from
councilor,
Lara
and
I,
guess,
probably
more
of
a
challenge
to
to
the
map
makers.
You
and
the
vice
chair
were
able
to
take
a
look
at
and
put
forth
the
math
that
had
18
precincts,
changing
districts.
Our
colleague,
Council
Murphy
I,
think
is
in
around
the
same
17
districts.
So
I
guess
the
challenge
through
the
chair
to
the
makers,
both
Council
Royal
and
Council
Fernandez
Anderson.
H
Do
they
have
the
ability
to
do
a
little
bit
of
a
deeper
dive
on
their
map
and
try
to
see
if
they
could
come
forth
with
something
that
doesn't
have?
As
there's
moves
disrupts
25
precincts?
Do
we
have
the
ability,
through
that
map,
to
bring
it
in
in
line
with
you
already?
You
guys
are
at
18
Russell
Murphy's
at
17..
H
They
were
25,
so
I,
guess
through
the
chair
to
the
makers,
maybe
a
little
bit
of
a
deeper
dive
to
see
if
they
can
get
sort
of
their
Vision
their
plan
and
their
map
to
get
into
that
sort
of
that
14
15,
16,
Precinct,
changing
districts,
which
might
you
know
that
might
get
us
so
maybe
to
a
little
bit
more
of
a
palatable
location
between
the
three
Maps.
H
A
D
And
what
I
would
say
is
our
deviation
is
the
reason
why
we
we
did.
That
I
think
you
know
in
terms
of
the
bpda's
deviation,
which
is
a
little
different
in
terms
of
what
it
looks
like.
Ours
is
2.55
across
the
board
and
in
terms
of
just
what
we
went
for
here.
D
To
answer
sort
of
two
things
that
were
brought
up
is
the
idea
of
cutting
into
South
Boston
is
off
limits,
I
mean
I
would
have
cut
into
South
Boston
if
I
thought
that
was
better
for
the
District
3
creation
of
an
opportunity
district
there.
But
what
I
saw
here
was
an
opportunity
to
make
whole
a
neighborhood
that
had
been
asking
to
be
made
whole
and
has
never
been
whole
to
any
serious
extent,
and
so
the
additional
precincts
that
we're
talking
about
are
really
precincts
that
go
towards
making
whole
the
south
end.
D
If
you
don't
make
the
South
End
hole,
then
you
can
leave
more
of
it
in
District
Two
or
you
can
leave
more
of
it
in
District
Seven,
but
the
reality
is
when
you
look
at
this
map
as
say
opposed
to
counselor
bradens
and
counselor
Morales,
or
this
map
in
relation
to
councilor
Murphy's
I
would
argue
that
ours
keeps
more
neighborhoods
completely
centered
I
mean
in
one
of
these
Maps
you're
splitting
into
Jamaica
Plain
you're
splitting
into
different
neighborhoods
you're
cutting
up
through
Roxbury
and
some
of
these
Maps.
The
the
reality
is.
D
Our
map
did
the
very
best
it
could
to
keep
places
whole
and
I
would
just
say
that,
in
terms
of
our
mandate,
I
don't
see
our
mandate
as
not
changing.
You
know
changing
as
few
precincts
as
possible.
I
see
it
as
creating
the
best
opportunity
districts
that
we
can
create,
while
also
trying
to
maintain
as
close
to,
if
not
better
than
five
percent
deviation
on
the
map
as
a
whole
and
trying
to
respect
sort
of
neighborhood
boundaries
and
I
think
we
can
get
into
a
lot
of
stuff
about
you
know.
Dorchester
is
massive
here.
D
Dorchester
has
in
in
essence,
I
think
three
districts
touch
Dorchester,
but
it's
it's
essentially
split
between
District
Four
and
District,
three
and
Dorchester
I've
always
heard
about
Dorchester
is
north
and
south
and
in
our
districts
it's
east
and
west
and
I
think
there's
a
lot
of
reasons
for
that,
foundationally
that
it
was
created
that
way
from
1983
on
and
I,
don't
know
how
much
of
that
actually
has
to
do
with
Dorchester
Ave
and
how
much
that
actually
has
to
do
with
not
putting
a
black
population
into
District
three,
to
be
honest
with
you
historically,
and
so
when
you
look
at
this
map,
yes,
it
has
more
precincts
by
I,
don't
know
what
the
total
difference
is
there?
D
Seven
and
then
I
don't
know
what
the
amount
of
changes
on
the
Murphy
map
are
just
17..
So
it's
about
seven
or
eight,
but
I
think
you'll
notice
that
almost
all
of
those
precincts
and
when
you
get
down
to
it,
come
from
the
south
end
because
we
move
more
of
those.
That,
technically
is
a
flip
and
so
there's
a
lot
of
precincts
that
get
flipped.
But
yet
we
somehow
keep
a
vast
majority
of
these
districts.
D
D
They
both
think
it
makes
logistical
sense,
but
there's
very
few
places
where
I
think
the
variations
make
a
whole
lot
of
sense
and
and
part
of
the
issue
is
we
do
more
in
a
lot
of
ways
on
that
bottom
half
of
the
map
in
the
top
half
of
the
map,
and
if
you
look
at
those
Precinct
populations
from
the
top
half
of
the
map
to
the
bottom
half
of
the
map,
it's
it's
incredibly
dense
in
the
top
North
part.
D
We
also
saw
it
as
an
intentional
attempt
to
make
communities
of
Interest
like
the
Vietnamese
community
and
the
lgbtq
community
more
prominent
in
one
District,
so
that
they
can
have
a
unified
voice
in
that
way.
But
you
know
I
think
all
of
these
Maps
we
can
quibble
about
precincts
and
I
expect
nobody's
map
will
get
through
this
entirely
the
same
and
so
I
think
we
can
look
at
where
and
how
we
might
change
things.
But
I
just
would
say
the
deviations
is
what
makes
that
difficult.
D
If
you
change
one
here,
you
might
have
changed
two
here.
There's
a
there's,
a
ripple
effect
to
every
change
that
gets
made
or
doesn't
get
made,
and
one
thing
I
would
just
say.
Is
we
have
much
more
equal
districts
and
population
size
than
the
chairs
map
that
does
leave
some
of
these
populations,
seven
or
eight
thousand
or
six
thousand
less
than
other
populations?
D
It
tries
to
do
the
minimalist
amount
of
change
while
still
sort
of
being
legally
defensible
in
in
being
a
map
and
I
thought
that
would
sort
of
undershoot
what
we
should
be
trying
to
do
from
an
ambitious
standpoint
of
trying
to
create
something
in
line
with
the
Mandate
we
have
from
the
Voting
Rights
Act.
So
hopefully
that
answered
that,
but
I'm
happy
to
have
further
conversations
and
working
sessions
about
where
and
what
precincts
you
have
in
mind
for
that
goal.
Thank.
A
You
Council
Royal
Council,
Murphy,
you're
next
and
then
I'll
I'll,
take
concert.
Fernandez
Anderson
then
comes
from
here.
A
Pardon
oh
you're,
blinking,
okay,
I'll,
stick
to
and
then.
A
C
At
a
table
for
this
working
session,
I
understand
but
I
do
know.
I
pressed
my
button
back
when
after
councilor
Arroyo
had
spoken
about
the
look
of
the
precincts,
so
I
know
my
lights
been
on.
So
thank
you
for
letting
me
speak
and
I
do
have
a
few
things,
because
other
things
have
been
brought
up.
That
I
want
to
make
sure
I
address.
C
So
first
we
know
that
District
three
well
so
the
research
that
I
did,
which
we
did
a
lot
of
research.
One
thing
I
know
our
office
feels
coming
out
of
this
exercise.
C
We
will
end
up
with
a
map,
yes
and
that
I
learned
a
lot
about
our
city
and
about
the
history
of
it
and
I
said
this.
When
I
first
spoke
at
the
beginning
that
besides
District
9,
which
is
Alston
and
Brighton
District
3
has
always
been
the
only
District
that
is
only
made
up
of
one
neighborhood
of
Dorchester.
That
District
Four
was
the
other
side
of
Dorchester,
the
Blue
Hill
Ave
side,
but
also
needed
and
always
had
matapan
Roslindale,
Jamaica,
Plain
so
and
also
District
4
has
when
you
look
at
it.
C
Historically,
it's
on
that
spine
of
blue
halab
and
all
of
those
wonderful
communities
and
neighborhoods
around
there,
and
for
decades
we
have
been
able
to
elect
strong
people
of
Colorado
District
Four.
We
had
Yancey
for
a
long
time.
We
have
Andrea
Campbell.
We
now
have
Council
of
Burrell
in
District
Four,
so
and
District
3
has
now
and
has
for
a
very
long
time
been
a
major
minority
majority
now
currently
without
any
changes
is
72
percent
minority
and
many
of
the
changes
that
my
map
is
proposing
would
bring
more
minority
into
District.
C
Three,
the
talk
about
the
look
of
the
precincts
and
the
sizes
I
have
to
push
back
a
little
like
growing
up
there,
knowing
living
in
this
part
of
the
neighborhood.
Many
of
those
are
like
real
boundaries.
Cedar
Grove
Cemetery,
the
bridge
to
Milton
the
bridge
and
Neponset
Circle.
That
brings
you
into
Quincy,
obviously
has
to
be
a
break,
no
matter
what
Port
Norfolk
that's
been.
You
know
out
behind
Tenney
and
Beach.
We
have
many
different
boundaries
in
that
neighborhood
that
make
the
reason
why
they
split
if
it's
dot
Ave.
C
If
it's
Granite
Ave,
if
it's
actual
the
Atlantic
Ocean,
that's
stopping
it
from
moving
forward.
The
other
thing
I
wanted
to
address
something
that
Council
Lauer
brought
up.
Is
she
had
said
that
there
is
the
elephant
in
the
room,
someone
who's
an
at-large
counselor,
who
does
need
to
get
votes
from
all
districts,
all
precincts
across
the
city
in
South
Boston,
where
I
get
many
of
my
vote
support
I
was.
My
map
does
actually
take
two
precincts:
seven,
five
and
seven
six
out
of
District
2..
C
So
it's
not
true
that
none
of
the
maps
proposed
was
afraid
to
I
was
brave
enough
and
did
knowing
that
District
2
probably
wanted
to
add
the
Sev,
the
precincts
and
districts
in
Ward
7
that
they
lost
10
years
ago,
but
I
proposed
it.
This
way,
knowing
that
to
keep
Chinatown
and
to
keep
the
south
end
and
the
other
neighborhoods
like
Villa,
Victoria
and
others
intact,
that
you
would
have
to
take
from
somewhere,
we
know
that
councilor
Baker,
I'm,
sorry
District
3
needs
to
shrink.
C
We
know
that
District
Two
I
mean
District
2
needs
to
shrink.
We
know
that
District
3
needs
to
grow,
I,
don't
believe
it
needs
to
grow
in
the
north.
I
do
believe
that
we
could
combine,
and
my
map
does
bring
Lowa
Mills
back
together.
It
also
brings
the
Vietnamese
Community
Little
Saigon,
which
is
a
strong
business
district.
Now,
together
those
precincts
are
combined.
16,
1,
16,
3,
17,
14
and
17
13
are
currently
split.
Lower
Mills
is
split
in
the
current
makeup.
C
Mine
would
combine
them
and
we
could
also
move
up
like
councilor
Baker
was
suggesting
to
add
more
of
that
area
below
you
know
near
the
Dodd
Ave
Saint,
Gregory's,
Kearney,
Hospital,
Walsh,
Park,
not
sure,
like
whatever
we
want
to
call
it
that
neighborhood
that
sits
across
from
the
Kearney
Hospital
in
near
Galvin
Boulevard
would
be
a
very
cohesive
boundary
there.
So
those
are
just
wanted
to
mention
those
things.
I
think
that's
all
that
I
had
to
say
for
now,
but
thank.
A
E
Madam,
chair
I
think
that
counselor
Mejia
has
to
be
somewhere
it's
okay.
If
she
goes.
J
So
I
was
sorry
that,
yes
I
understand,
we
all
have
to
go
counselor
Murphy,
but
I
just
before
I
say
something
I
want
to
address
something
we
had
a
meeting
around
rules
and
decorum
and
how
we
show
up
here
in
this
Council
chamber
and
I'm,
going
to
ask
my
colleagues
that
we
abide
by
those
principles
and
come
and
I
just
wanted
to
address
right
now
that
councilor
Murphy's
comment
underneath
her
breath
is
not
part
of
the
culture
that
we
want
to
create
here
and
I
just
want
to
name
it
and
publicly.
J
Let
just
know
that
it's
not
good
to
quarrel
but
I'm
going
to
talk
so
one
of
the
other
areas
that
we're
not
addressing
here
in
terms
of
the
elephant
in
the
room
is
to
for
those
who
grew
up
here
in
the
city
of
Boston,
during
the
height
of
the
busing
era
and
the
racial
disparities
that
insisted
here
in
the
city.
J
We
have
to
be
super
mindful
that,
as
we
continue
to
talk
about,
what's
going
to
happen
in
the
next
10
years,
that
we
don't
find
ourselves
harping
on
how
things
used
to
be
right
in
terms
of
the
racial
situation
and
I
feel
like
a
lot
of
the
areas
that
my
colleagues
are
bringing
into
the
chamber
were
very
racially
and
segregated
and
really
did
not
Embrace
communities
of
color.
J
So
if
the
goal
and
the
exercise
is
for
us
to
move
forward
in
an
equitable
way,
I
just
think
that
we
need
to
just
be
super
mindful
of
staying
here
in
the
present,
because
bringing
into
this
conversation
neighborhoods
like
Savin
Hill
to
my
colleagues,
reference
was
very
different
in
1981
and
1982
1983.
So
let's
just
try
to
remain
focused
on
the
here
and
now,
and
the
racial
makeup
of
the
city
that
we're
living
in
today.
A
You
thank
you
councilmania.
Thank
you
for
your
comments.
Cancer
Fernandez
Anderson
comes
from.
Here
comes
from
Fernandez
Anderson.
You
have
the
floor.
E
Thank
you,
councilor
Murphy,
before
councilmania
leaves,
would
you
like
to
respond
all
right,
then
it's
my
turn.
Thank
you.
Madam
chair
I
had
a
question
actually
about
something
that
you
mentioned.
Councilor
Murphy.
Just
for
clarification.
Can
you
please
enlighten
me:
what
exactly
did
you
mean
by
the
parish
or
that
Community
being
the
strongest
standing
community.
E
When
you
were
talking
about
the
Parish,
you
mentioned
that
as
in
terms
of
communities
of
interest,
that
it
was
the
strongest
standing
community
in
Boston.
E
Okay,
well,
I.
Don't
need
to
argue
that
if
I
I
don't
and
it's
on
tape,
it's
okay,
I
just
want
I
wanted
to
understand
it.
E
It
no
no
just
I
didn't
want
it
to
understand.
Thank
you.
You're
welcome
now
in
terms
of
councilor
Baker
and
your
statements
about
the
map.
I
wanted
to
ask
you
in
in
the
interest
of
time.
When
do
you
will
you
be
proposing
something,
and
when
do
you
think
you
will
be
proposing
something.
I
E
The
chair
Madam
chair,
if
Cosmo
Baker
can
I
wanted
to
know
when
he
would
give
the
map
so
that
we
can
look
at
it.
That
was
that
was
that
point
okay
and
then,
in
terms
of
our
map,
I
mean
I,
think
that
Council
Royal
did
a
good
job
breaking
down.
E
What
how
why
we
can't
go
north
and
in
terms
of
going
to
the
left
and
to
the
districts
that
abuts
Council
Bakers
districts
going
into
Roxbury
or
splitting
up
Roxbury
to
increase
communities
of
color
into
councilor,
Baker's,
District
or
going
into
District
three
I
think
I
mean
practically
makes
the
most
sense.
E
But
at
the
same
time,
there's
some
arguments
there
about
what
council
Baker
feels
needs
to
remain
cohesive
in
his
district,
but
again
wanted
to
re-emphasize
the
fact
that
we
it
there
was
just
two
districts,
major
districts
that
need
to
change
right
so
with
mine
being
the
the
third
for,
if
it's
a
change
and
then
District
Four
as
well,
to
increase
a
tiny
bit,
and
so
we
we
just
didn't,
know
where
to
go,
and
this
is
not
I
keep
hearing
this
again
and
again
that
it's!
You
know,
it's
intentional!
E
That
it's
a
target
for
district
three,
the
target
is
the
target.
District,
2
and
District
three
happens
to
be
the
priority
here
and
what
we
need.
What
needs
change
so,
hopefully
that
we
can
continue
the
conversation
without
you
feeling
that
it's
a
Target
I
will
take
full
responsibility.
That
was
my
doing.
I
thought
it
was
a
great
idea:
I
thought
that
consolidating
South
End
and
bringing
it
to
that
area
without
impacting
communities
that
are
that
did
need
change.
E
I
Gonna
I'm
gonna
respond
to
Council
Mejia
back
to
the
principles,
the
criteria,
preservation
of
core
of
Prior
districts.
That
is
because
the
more
we
move
around
the
more
you
get
into
awareness,
I'm,
an
opportunity,
District
I'm,
an
opportunity,
no
I'm,
a
community
of
interest
I'm
a
community
every
place
is
going
to
view
themselves
as
a
community
as
a
community
of
interest
and
any
way
that
I
go
seven.
Six,
seven,
five
love
to
pick
them
up:
Ann
Lynch
homes-
probably
probably
all
minority,
picked
them
up.
I
No
problem
the
precincts
down
here:
majority
black
I'm,
trying
to
help
you
get
to
the
opportunity
District
that
you
want
limiting
the
damage
to
District
three
I.
Think
that
especially
this
map
right
here,
you'll,
look
at
that
and
say
that's
not
gerrymandered
is
us
being
disingenuous
and
we
can
add
a
whole
lot
of
good
talking
points
he's
great
at
his
talking
points,
great
fabulous!
It's
not
a
map.
That's
gonna!
That's
gonna!
Stand
up,
you
know!
So.
Where
would
you
like
me
to
go?
I
G
I
Lot
more
in
common
with
those
precincts
right
there
they
would.
They
would
because
they
would
connect
with
the
Mariela
McCormick
Housing
Development.
They
would
collect
connect
with
the
Columbia
Point
Housing
Development,
which
I
have
now
and
again.
How
much
are
we?
How
much
are
we
gonna?
How
much
are
we
gonna
hurt
District
three
to
get
three
percentage
points,
one
way
or
the
other?
I
So
that's
that's
just
some
thought.
Thoughts.
I
can't
help
but
feeling
I'm
the
target.
Just
because
of
the
tension.
That's
around
here,
I'm
gonna
say
it
one
more
time
to
speak
to
the
point
over
here:
preservation
of
cause
of
Prior
District
there's
a
reason
for
that.
There
we
start
spreading,
not
all
we
open
ourselves
up
I'm
trying
to
help
you.
Thank
you
trying.
A
L
Thank
you
so
much
Madam,
chair,
I,
first
of
all,
just
wanted
to
apologize
sincerely
to
colleagues.
I
am
I
had
a
long-standing
meeting
that
I
had
to
be
at
at
noon.
So
I've
missed
the
Lion's
Share
of
this
working
session
and
I
am
planning
to
watch
the
entire
thing
afterwards
and
I
know.
Sometimes
we
say
that,
but
I
really
am
in
this
case,
so
I.
Don't
therefore
want
to
make
like
extensive
comments,
because
I
haven't
been
here
for
everybody
else's
comments.
L
I
did
just
want
it.
There
were
just
a
couple
of
things
that
I
wanted
to
say
on
the
record,
about
this
and
sort
of
where
I
think
we're
where
we
stand
and
and
then
just
a
couple
of
remarks
on
a
couple
of
things
that
folks
said.
One
thing
I
just
want
to
flag
that
we're
clear,
because
people
have
talked
a
little
bit
about
variation
and
how
much
the
districts
can
vary,
and
one
thing
I
want
to
be
clear
about
is
it's
definitely
not
10
in
each
Direction.
L
So
just
want
to
be
very
clear
that
when
we
talk
about
10,
that
would
be
the
max
of
Five
One
Direction
five,
another
and
I
think
you
know,
having
read
a
bit
more
of
that
jurisprudence
lately,
you
know
I,
think
the
really
important
thing
for
folks,
as
we
think
about
how
different
the
districts
are
population
wise,
is
that
it's
not
so
much
that
there's
any
one
number
that
demonstrates
good
faith.
It's
that
it
actually
depends
on
what
the
justifications
for
the
variation
is
like.
L
If
this
Council
ends
up
with
a
map
that
is
more
varied
in
District
size,
but
it
helped
us
achieve
opportunity,
districts
and
keeping
communities
of
Interest
together.
Then
you
can
justify
the
five.
If
you
do
five
each
direction
and
you
don't
have
sort
of
justifying
reasons
that
relate
to
the
core
goals
of
the
exercise,
then
you're
in
Jeopardy.
So
I
would
just
remind
folks
that
it's
not
just
about
a
number
now
I
think
that
works
in
both
directions.
I
know
that
I
personally
am
playing
with
these
numbers.
L
Have,
you
know,
tended
in
the
same
direction
as
as
counselor
Arroyo
and
Anderson
and
counselor
Murphy's
maps
of
trying
to
make
that
variation
as
tight
as
possible?
But
I
do
think
that
was
some
of
the
challenges
that
we're
facing
it
may
be.
That
variation
is
what
has
to
give
and
I.
Think
that's
fine.
As
long
as
we
have
good
reasons
that
stand
up
to
VRA
scrutiny,
so
I
just
wanted
to
make
that
comment
about
variation.
L
The
other
comments
I
wanted
to
make
is,
you
know,
from
from
my
perspective,
on
a
on
a
sort
of
VRA
bar
and
data
front.
The
dynamic
that
we
face
with
the
three
maps
that
we
have
right
now
is
I
think
that,
on
the
face
of
it,
there
is
a
problem
with
the
fact
that
councilor
Arroyo
and
Anderson's
map
swings
District,
3
7
to
8
points,
wider
I.
L
Think
that
that's
something
that
because
of
the
general
desire
to
go
to
Awards
opportunity
districts
is
something
that
makes
me
concerned
and
I
say
that
recognizing
that
the
I
think
you
know
the
story
about
the
lgbtq
district.
Obviously,
is
not
a
racial
community
of
interest,
and
it's
and
it's
worth
considering
it
talking
about
but
I
just
that
for
me,
is
the
concern
about
about
D3
in
that
map.
Conversely,
my
concern
about
counselor
Murphy's
map
is
that
it
swings
D4
three
to
four
points.
L
L
So
from
my
perspective,
we
have
like
these
two
guard
rails.
We
should
really
be
avoiding
in
this
process.
One
of
them
is
swinging.
The
total
population
of
D3
wider
and
the
other
is
swinging.
The
total
population
of
D4
more
towards
people
of
color.
Those
feel
to
me,
like
guard
rails,
for
many
of
the
reasons
that
have
been
discussed
here.
Those
are
actually
hard
guard
rails
to
keep
and
I.
Think
that
you
know
to
the
credit
of
the
chair
and
the
vice
chair.
L
Their
map
does
stay
inside
of
both
of
those
guard
rails
and
doesn't
do
either
of
those
things.
I
think
what
we're
all
grappling
with
is
that
in
avoiding
doing
either
of
those
things
the
chair
and
vice
chairs
map
breaks
up
some
communities
of
interest
that
we
would
all
you
know
rather
see
kept
whole.
So
to
me,
the
exercise
ahead
of
us
is
how
do
we
adjust
so
that
we
can
keep
more
communities
of
Interest
whole
and
recognizing
that
there
are
some
things
like
you
know,
I
think.
L
Actually,
all
of
these
Maps
make
that
effort
around
the
Vietnamese
Community,
for
instance,
right,
like
I,
think
everybody's
map
has
has
taken
care
of
certain
communities
of
interest
that
are
split
up
today,
but
just
at
the
cost
of
others
and
but
I
think
the
thing
that
I
would
flag
for
colleagues
like
for
me
as
I'm
thinking
about
this
is
like
if,
if
I
had
to
choose
between
the
three
maps
on
the
table
today,
I
would
choose
the
chairs
and
vice
chairs,
for
the
simple
reason
that
it
doesn't
bust
either
of
those
constraints
in
terms
of
a
wider
D3
or
more
more
people
of
color
majority
D4,
but
I
think
the
project
has
to
be.
L
A
You
culture
Bach,
thank
you,
councilor
Flaherty
and
then
councilor
Baker.
H
Here
and
I
also
just
want
to
go
on
the
record
through
the
chair
and
thank
our
colleague,
Council
Finance
Sanderson,
for
her
comments
in
particular,
and
if
we
had,
if
you
recall,
we
had
our
first
sort
of
Baseline
discussions
and
doing
the
maps
and
she
was
very
gracious
in
terms
of
being
willing
to
sort
of
accept
precincts
and
we
were
trying
to
find
a
way
to
sort
of
navigate
between
District
3
having
to
shed
and
where
some
of
those
precincts
want
to
go
and
sort
of
those.
H
H
This
is
going
to
go
really
smooth
and,
and
then
of
course
days
after
that
comes
to
was
the
Arroyo
financing
map
and
it
kind
of
contradicted
that
so
I
appreciate
her
comments
and
and
willingness
to
sort
of
clarify
that,
because,
because
I'm
sure
where
we
stepped
off
and
then
the
map
seemed
to
sort
of
contradict
part
of
the
spirit
of
that,
so
that
was
important
and
it's
also
it
doubles
down
on.
Why
I'm?
H
Looking
for
and
obviously
look
forward,
if,
if
our
colleague,
Council
Baker
is
looking
to
submit
a
map
and
to
try
to
get
that
as
soon
as
possible,
so
we
can
obviously
take
a
peek
at
that.
But
for
the
map
makers
to
date
in
in
that
collaborative
collegial
spirit,
just
to
sort
of
maybe
double
down
this
weekend.
To
try
to
sharpen
the
pencil
to
see
whether
or
not
we
can
again
get
to
a
point
where
to
our
pre.
To
the
previous
speaker's
comments.
H
But
with
this
sort
of
I
guess
the
least
amount
of
disruption,
which
is
why
I'm
I'm,
asking
both
you
and
and
counciloral
to
sort
of
see
if
you
can
get
under
18
Precinct
shifting
districts,
I'm
gonna
do
the
same
charge
for
councilman
Murphy
to
see
if
she
can
get
on
to
17
and
I've
already
asked
the
makers
of
the
Royal
Fitness
and
ASM
app
to
see
if
they
can
do
again
less
than
25
and
the
same
charge
will
be
if
we
are
getting
another
map
or
two
or
three
to
our
colleagues,
try
to
get
them
to
us
as
soon
as
possible.
H
A
You
councilor
Flaherty
councilor
Fernandez,
oh
concert,
Fernandez
Anderson,.
E
A
Which
would
D5
your
proposed.
E
A
B
B
That
was
one
we
wanted
to
make
District
three
a
more
opportunity
District
by
increasing
their
black
and
brown
voted
population.
B
And
to
do
so,
we
had
to
pick
up
larger
precincts
inside
of
District
three,
which
then
requires
us
to
move
further
further
into
District
district
five
to
make
sure
that
our
population
was
underneath
that
five
percent
as
well.
B
So
it's
it's
the
population
numbers
that
required
us
to
pick
up,
14,
14,
14
and
14
to
5,
and
also
to
make
sure
that
we
were
moving
in
the
right
direction
on
in
District,
3
and
District
Four.
When
it
came
to
people
of
color
and
increasing
the
white
population
inside
of
District
Four.
B
Me
I
think
District
Five
in
terms
of
let
me
just
double
check,
so
we
have
you
pull
up
the
current.
B
Those
two
yeah
so
District
Five
currently
is
73.3
percent
people
of
color
and
then
this
variation
makes.
E
B
I'm
going
to
take
a
look
at
it
makes
it
I
have
here,
is
27.1
percent
white
population,
so
at
73,
so
it
doesn't
really
I
mean
based
on
my
calculations.
What
I
have
here
in
terms
of
white
population
and
people
of
color,
it
doesn't
doesn't
affect
it.
Oh.
E
According
to
the
PowerPoint
that
you
guys
sent
submitted
to
us,
it
decreases
it
to
70
percent.
E
E
And
then,
when
you
look
at
District
three,
can
you
tell
me
how
it's
better.
B
Okay,
so
what
we
were
trying,
what
we
were
aiming
at
is
that
in
District,
three
right
now,
I
believe
the
numbers
and
just
take
a
look
at
the
PowerPoint.
B
We
are
currently
at
61
and
I.
Think
increasing
I
believe
we
are
the
have
the
highest
increase
of
people
of
color
in
our
map
at
64.9.
I.
Believe
that's
the
right
direction
that
we
want
to
go
go
towards
in
District,
three
I!
Don't
think
we
want
to
go
north
of
that
number
so
for
for
us,
we
felt
that
increase
in
that
number
in
District.
3
is
the
right
direction
we
should
go.
We
should
be
increasing
or
strengthening
people
of
colors
inside
of
that
District.
It.
E
Okay,
can
we
compare
that
to
counselor
Arroyos
in
my
in
my
map.
A
B
E
B
I
mean
these
are
all
working
maps
and
that's
why
we're
here
to
have
conversations.
So
absolutely,
if
there's
any
ideas
that
you
guys
that
you
would
like
to
present
or
Council
Arroyo
I
would
like
to
present.
We
are
open
to
changes
like
we
want
to
do
this
in
collaboration
not
only
with
our
colleagues
but
with
the
whole
city
of
Boston.
So,
yes,
we
are
definitely
open
to
further
discussions
on
how
we
can
make
amendments
on
these
Maps.
E
By
the
way
I
mean
obviously
through
the
chair
are
we
do
you
expect
A
Formals
Amendment
submitted
or
just
conversation,
yeah.
B
I
mean
you
could
propose
it
through
the
chair.
Is
it
okay
to
yeah.
A
We
we're
this
is
still
a
working
process.
This
is
still
a
dynamic
working
process.
So
if
you
have
suggestions
that
you
want
to
bring
to
the
bring
to
the
conversation
that
we
can
look
at,
you
know,
at
the
end
of
the
day,
we
want
a
map,
a
consensus
map
that
the
majority
of
this
Council
this
body
can
can
vote
on.
So
this
is
still
a
work
in
progress
all
all,
not
notwithstanding
the
fact
that
we're
on
a
very
tight
timeline.
E
A
E
I
Think
the
problem
that
I
have
with
where
they
are
on
dot
app,
the
way
it's
it's
that
Jagged
Edge
there
I
can
do
the
same
thing
by
picking
up
Lower
Mills,
all
all
black
precincts
heavy
vac
heavy
voting
black
precincts
also
I
believe
17
full
when
I
first,
when
I
first
ran,
was
one
of
the
higher
voting
precincts.
All
black
higher
voted
precincts
in
the
the
city,
I
believe
we
we
achieved
that
and
also
going
into
the
Anne
Lynch
homes,
which
yeah
that
that's
all
minority
there
also
I
believe
I.
I
Minority
precincts
doing
that,
keeping
a
much
cleaner
boundary
and
the
boundaries
of
what
what
lawyers
are
going
to
be
looking
at,
you
know,
with
God,
have
being
that
I
know
we
we
don't
you
know
it's
a
different
city.
Yes,
yes,
yes,
but
donav
is
the
spine
of
District
three
and
that's
that
that
is
going
to
hold
up
dot.
Av
is
the
spine
of
District.
Three
I.
Don't
like
this,
the
the
way
that
that
comes
through
there?
It's
just
it
doesn't
look
right.
We
need
compactness
and
it
needs
to
look
like
we.
A
Thank
you,
Council
I'm
I'm,
cognizant
of
the
fact
that
we
haven't.
We
have
a
time
want
to
finish
up
today.
Yep
so
concert
Baker
and
a.
I
Couple
couple
quick
comments:
I
appreciate
your
comments
around
the
variation
I
think
we
have
to
figure
that
figure
that
out.
If
we're,
if
we're
able
to
do
a
beer,
someone
might
be
heavy
in
their
District,
someone
might
be
light
in
their
District
I
think
we
have
to
take
that
into
account
and
also
what
council
of
the
at
large
Council
from
South
Boston
mentioned
about
variations
precincts.
I
You
know:
17
18
25
over
here
question
through
the
chair
to
to
the
maker
of
of
the
the
this
map
over
here
for
these
25
Precinct
changes.
How
many
are
in
District,
three
of
those
25.
I
And
then
another
question
over
here
to
the
vice
chair
is
in
between
four
and
five.
What
is
that
variation
there
is
that
one
Precinct,
two
precincts
I
think
it's
two
two
and
so
that
through
the
chair
to
how
many
of
the
so
a
couple
of
things,
there
was
I
think
we
really
got
to
look
at
the
variation.
Are
we
going
to
be
open
to
variation
I?
Think
we
should
be
and
again
going
back
to
the
points.
I
I've
been
I've
been
consistent
through
this,
we
should
be
looking
to
do
minimal
changes
if
we
started
18
months
ago,
yeah,
it's
a
different
story
yeah,
but
the
reality
is
the
way
we're
going
now.
What's
what
potentially
is
going
to
happen,
the
feds
are
going
to
go
and
say:
yep
you're,
okay,
you're,
okay,
you're,
okay,
here's
your
map
like
it
leave
it!
It's
your
map,
it's
the
same
thing
that
happened
during
busing,
because
the
school
committee
couldn't
get
together
on
a
real
plan,
so
the
feds
came
in
and
implemented.
A
I
I
A
D
Have
to
look
and
make
sure
that
I'm
giving
an
accurate
number
I
don't
have
that
off
the
top,
but
I
I
can
just
say
that
the
difference
between
say
our
map
and
the
chairs
map
is
that
our
differentiate.
Our
deviation
for
district
three
has
a
population.
That's
at
75
492,
which
gives
it
a
total
population
of
plus
0.56.
D
The
chairs
has
one
that
is
Point
negative
4.73
to
71
518
I,
believe
it
makes
it
the
lightest
districts
of
all
of
the
districts,
largely
in
my
opinion,
because
it
was
very
timid
and
how
it
treated
District.
Three,
but
I
just
want
to
say
that
I,
don't
I,
don't
have
the
numbers
for
that
I'm
sure
I
can
have
them
by
the
next
one.
Yeah.
D
Yeah
that's
perfect
and
then
and
we'll
do
that.
My
question
was
actually
around
the
10
five
percent.
This
way,
five
percent
that
way
the
bpda
Census
Data
thing
that
I
have
here
in
front
of
me.
That's
the
comparison
of
proposery
District
implants.
D
Has
the
plan
deviation
range
for
the
chairs
map
as
9.22,
which
is
which
is
much
closer
to
that
five
percent
One
Way
five
percent,
the
other
way
I
think
a
lot
of
that
has
to
do
with
District
three
frankly
and
the
fact
that
they
are
so
light
in
terms
of
what
their
population
is
in
comparison
to
say,
councilor
box
District
that
I
think
on
this
map
comes
closer
to
I,
mean
I,
don't
have
to
guess.
I
can
just
go.
Look
it
has
it
at
on
your
map.
D
That
I
think
will
actually
bring
the
map
from
the
chair
more
in
line
with
our
map
in
terms
of
how
it
it
treats
District
three
frankly,
I
would
also
just
say-
and
this
is
just
an
observation.
The
fact
of
the
matter
is:
if
I
look
at
that
map
from
2002
that
juts
out
into
Mattapan.
That
way,
and
then
I
look
at
the
two
maps
presented
by
the
chair
myself.
That
just
does
it
in
the
opposite
direction:
I,
don't
I,
don't
really
see
any
difference
than
what
other
than
just.
D
Where
we're
sending
the
map
to
deal
with
the
deviation
numbers
coming
from
District
Two,
it's
the
exact
same
geographical
change,
you're
going
over
Blue,
Hill
Ave
on
one
side
or
you're,
going
over
Blue,
Hill
Ave
one
side.
So,
if
you're
saying
hey,
this
doesn't
make
sense
on
it
looks
Jagged
and
not
compact
this
way,
but
it
doesn't
look
Jagged
and
compact
if
it
goes
this
other
way
when
it's
the
exact
same
sort
of
Dimensions
I,
don't
really
fully
understand
that,
geographically
being
any
different,
I'm
sure
it's
different
population
makeup
and
how
that
operates.
D
But
geographically,
it's
hard
to
argue
that
what
that
looks
like
and
what
the
chairs
map
looks
like.
If
you
look
at
the
2002
map
that
has
been
made
reference
to
multiple
times
and
then
you
look
at
the
chairs
map,
it's
basically
the
same
thing.
The
only
difference
is
one
is
jutting
to
the
left
and
the
other
one's
jumping
to
the
right.
That's
that's
the
only
difference,
and
so
I
would
just
say
I,
don't
think
geographically.
It
makes
much
of
a
different
difference
in
terms
of
compactness
or
not.
A
C
I
wanted
to
address
what
council
of
Flaherty
had
said
so
I
do
think
in
the
information
the
data
I
have
that
I
will
share,
will
include
this
and
I
already
have
this
data
that
the
number
of
presents
isn't
necessarily
what
we
need
to
worry
about,
because,
like
console
Arroyo
said
some
precincts
have
six
thousand
some
have
two
thousand,
so
you
can.
The
total
number
isn't
important.
C
A
Thank
you,
counselor,
Murphy
and
again,
I
think
our
discussions
are
underscoring
the
need
for
more
re-precincting
in
the
city.
Just
to
back
up.
There
was
a
question
earlier
about
District
Two,
our
map,
the
shedding
of
the
district
district
2,
was
shed
into
District
1,
District,
3
and
District
8,
without
shedding
into
District,
Seven
and
I.
Think
the
the
objective
from
my
mind
was
that
we
wouldn't
further
dilute
the
community
of
color
and
the
majority
minority
District
in
District
Seven
to
make
it
less
less
to
decrease
the
majority
minority
District.
A
So
that
was
part
of
our
rationale
and
I
know.
This
is
where
this
is
an
ongoing
conversation.
I
want
to
thank
everyone
for
their
participation
today
and
thank
you
for
all
the
work
that
you're
putting
into
this
I
appreciate
it.
It's
intense
it's
emotional,
it
is,
but
it's
very,
very
important.
Work
and
I
really
do
trust
it
as
a
as
a
body
and
as
a
committee
and
as
a
body
that
we
will
get
to
consensus,
and
we
will
have
a
map
that
we
will
be
very
proud
of
at
the
end
of
the
day.