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From YouTube: Committee on Government Operations on September 13, 2019
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Docket #0975 - Ordinance amending the Boston Trust Act
A
Council
Josh
Zakim-
and
we
are
here
today
to
discuss,
talk
at
zero,
nine
seven
five
and
is
an
ordinance
amending
the
trust
Act.
The
docket
was
sponsored
by
again
colleague,
councillor
Josh.
They
can
refer
it
to
committee
back
on
John
June
19th
of
2019.
This
ordinance
seeks
to
amend
and
strengthen
the
2014
trust
Act
that
this
body
had
unanimously
passed
five
years
ago.
A
The
proposed
amendment
seeks
to
further
clarify
the
city
and
department
personnel
and
funds
shall
not
be
used
to
interrogate,
detain
and
arrest
person
solely
for
immigration
and
enforcement
purposes,
which
are
federal
responsibilities,
including
inquiring
of
an
individual's
immigration
status,
detaining
someone
solely
on
the
basis
of
civil
immigration,
detainer
requests,
providing
personal
information
regarding
a
person's
release
date
to
ice
solely
for
the
purpose
of
enforcing
civil
violations
of
u.s.
immigration
laws,
making
arrests
on
the
basis
of
ice
administrative
warrants
and
performing
the
functions
of
an
immigration
officer.
A
B
You
mr.
chairman
I
want
to
thank
everyone
for
being
here
this
morning
to
our
folks
from
BPD
and
the
Walsh
administration
and
our
panelists
from
the
ACLU
as
well.
This
as
we've
talked
about
before
it's
been
a
collaborative
process
over
the
last
since
five
years,
since
the
trust
Act
was
initially
past
as
counselor
flat.
B
He
said
unanimously
that
mayor
Walsh
signed
in
2014
and
it's
been
I,
think
a
proud
distinction
for
Boston
and
given
the
change
in
climate,
given
just
time
passing,
we
felt
it
was
necessary
to
revisit
it
and
I'm
proud
of
the
work
we
did
with
the
mayor,
Walsh
with
with
John
in
particular,
and
many
members
of
the
Boston
Police
Department
command
and
legal
staff
to
come
up
with
what
I
think
is
a
step
in
the
right
direction.
A
better,
stronger
act.
B
That
work
clearly
describes
what
sort
of
activities
both
the
Boston
Police
and
city
employees
in
general,
going
to
do
when
it
comes
to
the
federal
responsibilities
of
immigration
enforcement
and
maintaining
trust
in
our
communities
and
really
making
this
city
a
safe
place
for
everyone,
regardless
of
their
immigration
status.
So
I
don't
want
to
go
on
too
long
here,
because
I
know
this
could
be
a
bit
of
a
technical
discussion
as
well,
and
I
want
to
make
sure
we
have
some
time
for
that.
I
see
John
smiling
as
he
recalls
our
long
discussions
working
out.
B
Some
of
the
technical
points.
I
do
also
want
to
note
that
this
is
an
open
public
collaborative
process.
This
is
a
proposed
bill
is
a
bill
that
I
know.
We
worked
very
hard
to
bring
to
this
point,
but
that
is
always
open
for
new
suggestions
for
ideas
from
members
of
the
community,
from
either
of
our
panels
or
from
others.
I
think
it's
the
goal
of
certainly
myself
and
I
believe
my
colleagues
on
the
council
and
Mayor
Walsh
to
come
up
with
a
strong,
workable,
fair
version
of
this
law.
B
That's
going
to
make
sure
that
everyone
in
the
city
of
Boston
feels
that
they
can
engage
freely
with
the
police
department
as
victims
as
witnesses
or
any
other
City
agency.
So
I
look
forward
to
this
discussion
and
look
forward
to
making
sure
we
have
a
strong
bill
in
place
to
achieve
those
goals.
Thank
you.
Thank.
A
You
Council
is
a
kamae
also
just
want
to
read
into
the
record
a
letter
from
our
colleague
city
council
president
Andrea
Campbell,
dear
chairman,
Floridian
colleagues
of
the
committee
and
governor
operations.
I,
regrettably,
cannot
attend
today's
hearing
on
doctored
0
975
hearing
regarding
amendments
in
the
Boston
truck
deck
Trust
Act,
due
to
a
long-standing
commitments
elsewhere
in
the
city,
as
the
district
for
City
Council
I
represent
neighborhoods
with
some
of
the
largest
immigrant
populations
in
the
city.
These
neighborhoods
also
experience
heavier
policing.
A
I
will
able
I
will
be
able
to
represent
it
by
a
member
of
my
staff
at
today's
hearing
and
look
forward
to
reviewing
the
committee
report
and
working
with
the
community
on
any
recommended
next
steps
in
silly
Andrea,
Camel,
City,
Council,
President
I'm
sure
we'll
be
joined
by
colleagues
as
they
arrive.
So
with
that
I'll
turn
it
right
over
to
the
administration.
A
John
I
assume
that
you're
gonna
take
the
lead
and
know
that
we've
also
been
joined
by
superintendent,
Charles,
Wilson,
Boston,
Regional,
Intelligence,
Center,
and
also
Superintendent
Paul
Donovan
Bureau
of
Investigative
services
from
the
BPD
c/bb
PD
welcome,
gentlemen,
and
thank
you
look
forward
to
hearing
a
testimony
and
you
have
the
floor.
Drum.
C
There's
only
us
in
this
respect.
They
thinks
to
say,
I
think
it's
safe
to
say
that
from
the
members
of
the
Council
of
the
mayor,
Commissioner
grass,
the
police
department
advocates
and
others
we've
all
approached
this
task,
sharing
largely
the
same
goals.
It's
about
building,
even
more
trust
in
our
immigrant
communities
and
keeping
everyone
who
lives
works
of
visits,
Boston
safe,
regardless
of
immigration
status,
as
councils
Aiken
pointed
out
several
months
ago.
The
updated
trust
act
is
meant
to
be
a
practical
policy
for
our
police
and
we
couldn't
agree
more.
C
We
believe
this
is
a
well
crafted
and
carefully
balanced
ordinance
that
just
serve
the
interest
of
one
community
or
constituency,
but
it
serves
all
of
us
sewer
again
grateful
for
the
hard
thoughtful
work.
That's
brought
us
to
this
point.
We
respectfully
look
forward
to
seeing
this
ordinance
passed
by
the
council
signed
by
Mayor
Walsh,
and
we
look
forward
to
speaking
with
you
about
it
today.
C
D
E
A
D
Follow
these,
we
follow
these
guidelines
as
a
matter
of
course
we're
very
comfortable
with
these
guidelines.
In
my
former
capacity
as
the
commander
of
the
Domestic
Violence
Unit,
we
often
dealt
with
victims.
We
never
made
it
an
issue
of
their
immigration
status
was
important
to
us
to
involve,
regardless
of
their
status
victims
of
domestic
violence
and
treat
them
as
such
I've
personally
certified
many
U
visa
applications.
They
came
in
through
these
people
who
are
cooperating
in
police
investigations,
and
we
sent
out
a
lot
of.
D
D
A
B
Thank
You
mr.
chair
I,
think
the
chairs,
questions
or
well
thought
out
and
I
think
I'm
pleased
to
hear
that
this
is
you
know
a
practical,
a
practical,
workable
policy
and
I
also
want
to
reiterate
and
I
think
that
sometimes
gets
lost
in
the
conversation
about
this
that
it's
certainly
my
impression
that,
as
a
general
rule,
the
Boston
Police
Department
is
not
working
to
enforce
civil
immigration
laws.
B
So
the
fact
that
you
know
just
to
hear
that
again
is
certainly
encouraging
and,
and
it
just
makes
sense,
it
really
does
and
I
think
I
superintendent
Wilson
what
you
were
saying
about
working
with
victims.
That
is,
you
know
absolutely
important,
and
one
of
the
overarching
issues
here
and
it's
not
as
much
in
the
technical
wording
of
the
ordinance
or
policies
is
the
sense.
B
The
literal
trust,
though
that
has
to
be
built-
and
this
is
not
on
anyone
in
the
city
of
Boston
I-
think
a
lot
of
it
comes
out
of
Washington
is
that
people
are
scared.
People
are
rightfully
worried
about
what's
happening
on
a
federal
level
and
I
think
it's
just
important
for
all
of
us
to
keep
in
mind.
Even
if
this
is
not
happening
on
a
regular
basis
in
the
city
of
Boston,
we
want
to
make
sure
everyone
here
in
the
city.
B
Visitors
residents,
regardless
of
status,
knows
that
that
is
our
policy
and
knows
that
they
should
feel
free
to
come
and
work
with
the
police
and
that
we're
gonna
continue
doing
that,
and
that
is
as
much
the
reason
for
the
initial
trust
act
in
and
for
these
updates
as
well.
So
I
just
want
to
thank
you
for
sharing
your
views
on
this
and
for
the
collaborative
process
we
had
to
get
here.
Thank
you.
Thank.
F
D
We
only
deal
in
criminal
matters,
so
there
is
a
vetting
process.
We
make
sure
that
anybody
who's
making
any
type
of
inquiry
to
us
it's
criminal.
If
it's
non
criminal,
then
we
don't
adhere
to
what
we
do
not
live.
Release
information
to
anybody,
who's
contacting
us
on
non
criminal
matters,
so
we
we
make
sure
that
we
vet
the
information
that
comes
out
of
the
Breck,
we're
speaking
for
the
brick
right
now
and
and
that
we've
maintained
that
practice.
D
F
D
Typically,
it
would
go
through
the
BPD
school
police
unit,
commanded
by
sergeant
detective
Tommy,
Sexton
I'm,
not
aware
and
fairness,
and
you
may
not
know.
This
I
was
a
point
to
this
position
a
month
ago.
So
I
don't
have
a
real
long
history
at
the
break,
but
it's
my
understanding
that
these
matters
would
be
mostly
generally
conducted
by
sides
and
detective
Thomas
Sexton
of
the
Boston
Police
School
publisher,
I.
Think.
D
It
would
be,
it
would
be
the
brick
I
mean
we,
we
decide
who
we
disseminate
information
to,
and
it
is
our
responsibility
to
properly
vet
it
to
make
sure
that
we're
not
releasing
information.
That's
going
to
be
used
in
a
non
criminal
manner,
so
as
information
requests
come
in
as
information
requests
them
in
there
properly
and
appropriately
vetted,
and
as
it
leaves,
we
make
every
attempt
to
make
sure
that
that
information
that's
requested
is
requested.
A
criminal
investigation
is.
F
There
and
are
there
any
questions
in
my
interest,
is
in
protecting
our
students
in
the
Boston
Public
Schools
in
particular,
especially
those
that
may
not
be
properly
documented
and
protecting
protecting
them
and
protecting.
They
are
sort
of
status
within
our
schools
and
making
sure
that,
when
our
students
are
in
our
schools
that
they
feel
safe
and
that
they
are
that
their
status
remains
not
shared.
F
If
the
school
community
happens
to
know
that
status
or
if
the
the
school
police
unit,
because
it's
not
typically
something
that
the
school
department
collects
information
on,
we
don't
necessarily
know
whether
a
student
is
documented,
but
BPD
may
know
because
of
outside
investigation.
So
I'm
really
curious
and
concerned
about
the
sharing
of
information
and
what
information
is
shared
about
our
students.
We.
D
We
share
your
concern,
your
mission,
we're
on
the
same
page.
We
are
not
interested
in
a
person's
immigration
status
if
somebody
in
the
school
police
unit
contacts
us
about
a
certain
student
and
wants
to
know
information
about
that
student
relative
to
information
we
possess
within
the
brick.
As
long
as
that,
information
has
to
do
with
a
criminal
investigation
we'll
provide
that
information.
If
it
does
not,
we
will
not.
A
G
Thank
You
councillor
priority
and
to
council
Zakim
too
for
councils
a
comes
long-term
support
of
our
immigrant
community
in
Boston.
Just
as
a
way
of
brief
backer
and
I
had
an
opportunity
to
speak
with
one
issue
that
I'm
focused
on
is
the
census
upcoming
census
and
I've
been
working
with
the
Chinese
progressive
Association.
As
you
know,
I
represent
a
large
immigrant
community
in
Boston
and
the
residents
of
Chinatown
expressed
to
me.
G
You
know
they
want
to
make
sure
their
voice
is
counted
in
the
US
Census,
but
they
want
to
make
sure
that
also
that
information,
the
federal
information,
is
not
shared
with
with
other
federal
organizations.
So
I
know
this
has
more
to
do
with
the
more
enforcement
aspect
of
it.
But
it
is
important
to
make
sure
that
our
immigrants,
immigrant
community
across
our
city,
have
trust
in
our
city,
government,
state
government
and
federal
government
and
I
think
under
under
under
mayor
Walsh
and
I.
Do
I.
G
Do
counsel
is
a
come
to
in
the
Boston
Police
I
think
where
we're
heading
in
the
right
direction,
so
I'm
glad
to
be
here
with
with
members
of
the
Boston.
Please
the
mayor's
administration,
and
especially
residents
across
the
boss,
and
that
really
support
our
immigrant
community
in
our
city,
Thank
You,
council,
firely,
Thank,
You,
council.
A
Fund
and
that
will
conclude
the
first
panel,
so
thank
you
to
John
toll
senior
advisor
to
to
Mayor
Walsh
to
superintendent
Charles
Wilson
of
the
brick,
also
known
as
the
Boston
Regional
Intelligence
Center,
and
also
to
superintendent
Paul
down
of
a
bureau
investigative
services.
We're
gonna
transition
to
the
second
panel.
You're
welcome
to
stay
here.
Stay
in
the
chamber.
You
were
free
to
go
whatever
you
you're,
whatever
suits
your
fancy,
but
I
know
that
we
have.
We
have
Laura
Rotolo
here.
A
Staff,
council
and
community
advocate
for
the
ACLU
and
Massachusetts,
so
she's
previously
testified
before
the
council.
She's
welcome
to
give
an
opening
comment
and
you're
welcome
to
either
stay
here
or
you
can
transition
to
the
chamber
and
to
the
gallery
and
Laura.
If
you
would
like
to
transition
to
the
middle
you're,
welcome
to
do
that.
Whatever's
you're,
most
comfortable
with.
A
H
Name
is
Laura
Rotolo
I
am
a
staff
counsel
and
community
advocate
at
the
American
Civil
Liberties
Union,
very
happy
to
be
here
with
you
today.
Thank
you
too.
Mr.
chairman
councillor,
Flaherty
councilors
alaikum
glance
within
and
counselor
at
this
table.
You
George
for
being
here
today,
I
want
to
clarify
that,
although
I'm
here
on
behalf
of
the
ACLU
I'm,
also
here
on
behalf
of
several
dozen
organizations
and
community
groups
who
share
the
same
position,
that
I
will
explain
in
a
minute.
H
In
fact
before
I
leave
here
today,
I
will
leave
you
with
a
letter
signed
by
27
community
groups,
organizations
including
three
labor
unions,
worker
centers,
immigration,
attorneys,
the
public
defender's
office,
academics
and,
of
course,
many
community
groups
that
work
with
and
on
behalf
of
immigrants
in
the
city
and
I
want
to
begin
by,
of
course,
commending
the
City
Council
for
first
of
all,
the
original
trust,
Act
and
councillors
Akins
leadership
on
that
and
for
revisiting
and
for
really
being
open
to
the
community's
concerns.
Following
the
media
reports
on
the
case
of
mr.
H
Paz
Flores
and
for
revisiting
the
trust
Act
every
day
in
Boston
immigrants
and
their
families
helped
the
city
to
thrive,
and
yet
every
day
they
face
the
immediate
threat
of
being
torn
apart
by
deportation
in
this
climate,
attacks
on
immigrants
are
constant
and
relentless.
The
city
has
vowed
to
protect
and
respect
the
immigrants
that
make
up
its
thriving
economy
and
culture,
and
part
of
that,
of
course,
is
strengthening
relationships
with
law
enforcement.
That
goes
straight
to
councillor
Flynn's
question
about
the
census.
H
Of
course,
this
ordinance
does
not
deal
with
the
census
directly,
but
indirectly
they
are
tied
their
hand
in
hand.
People
will
answer
the
census
if
they
feel
that
their
local
and
state
government
can
be
trusted.
It
is
time
to
strengthen
the
trust
Act
today,
I
want
to
point
out
four
areas
in
which
we
believe
the
trust
Act.
H
The
renewed
trust
Act
has
positive
advancements
that
we
stand
behind,
but
I
also
want
to
point
out
four
areas
in
which
we
think
there
are
concerns
that
threatened
to
undermine
the
spirit
in
which
we
believe
this
trust
Act
was
intended.
So
the
four
very
positive
advancements
are
that
number
one
it
spells
out
that
police
generally
will
not
ask
about
immigration
status.
We've
heard
that
this
is
the
practice
day-to-day,
but
I
can't
stress
enough
how
important
it
is
for
that
to
be
in
writing
for
that
to
be
supported
by
the
City
Council.
H
It
allows
us
to
go
back
to
our
communities
and
say
in
no
uncertain
terms
that
if
you
call
9-1-1,
if
you
ask
the
police
for
help,
you
will
not
be
asked
about
your
status.
That's
a
very
positive
advancement,
the
second
one
that
it
talks
about
that
the
police
will
not
detain
immigrants
on
immigration.
Detainers
are
on
immigration
warrants.
That,
of
course,
is
the
state
of
state
law
at
the
moment,
but
there
have
been
efforts
to
undermine
that
law.
H
So
it's
very
important
that
Boston
say
that,
no
matter
what
happens
at
the
state
level,
Boston
police
will
not
be
holding
people
on
immigration.
Detainers
third
point
is
that
it
does
say
that
the
police
will
not
sign
287g
agreements.
These
very
extreme
agreements
in
which
do
you
take
a
local
person.
You
deputize
them.
You
give
them
federal
powers
to
act
as
ice
agents.
H
We
consider
that
to
be
the
most
drastic
form
of
collaboration
with
ice,
and
we
thank
the
council
and
the
police
department
for
committing
not
to
sign
those
agreements
and,
lastly,
the
police
have
said
that
they
will
not
be
transferring
individuals
to
ice
custody,
which
we
also
believe
is
important
to
have
in
writing.
Even
if
it
is
standard
practice
to
ensure
that
we
can
tell
people
that
when
they
are
released
from
Boston
police,
they
will
not
be
immediately
transferred
to
ice
custody.
H
Those
are
the
areas
that
we
we
can
support
wholeheartedly
and
we
thank
the
council
for,
but
I
want
to
point
out
four
areas
of
significant
concern
and
I.
Thank
the
councillors
for
being
open
to
our
suggestions.
I
will
also
give
you
today
some
language
that
we
are
suggesting
to
address
these
four
issues.
The
first
issue
is
an
ongoing
lack
of
transparency.
As
we
sit
here
today,
we
do
not
know
the
full
extent
of
cooperation
between
ice
and
the
Boston
Police
Department
advocates
for
years
have
tried
to
get
even
public
records.
H
There's
a
lawsuit
pending
about
public
records
relating
to
the
gang
database,
and
we
still
do
not
have
the
full
extent
of
even
those
public
records
and
I
would
say
that
some
of
the
questions
also
have
not
been
answered
completely.
I
will
remind
us
all
that
it
was
only
through
the
Department
of
Labor's
lawsuit
and
the
media
accounts
of
the
Paz
Flores
case
that
we
even
learned
about
the
existence
of
a
BPD
ice
task
force
advocates
did
not
know
about
the
existence
of
this
task
force.
We
believe
it
contradicts
the
spirit
of
the
original
trust
actors.
H
Well
and
we'd
need
to
know
more
that
transparency
can
be
built
into
this
ordinance
by
requiring
the
BPD
to
regularly
report
about
the
task
forces.
It's
a
part
of
the
databases
that
it
shares
the
information
that
is
shared
with
ice
on
a
regular
basis
with
this
counsel,
so
lack
of
transparency.
Sort
of
is
underneath
all
of
this.
The
second
concern
is
that
the
language
does
not
actually
address
what
happened
in
the
past
Flores
case
and
just
as
a
reminder,
there
was
a
one
police
officer
who
shared
information
with
ice
and
allowed
ice
to
arrest.
H
A
person
basically
said
of
almost
a
sting
operation
where
they
told
ice
where
this
person
was
gonna,
be
under
a
ruse
that
he
was
going
to
be
paid
by
his
employer
and
set
up
so
that
ice
could
actually
arrest
him,
and
you
will
hear
more
about
that
and
during
the
public
comment
period,
the
language
here
does
not
address
that
issue.
That
situation
could
happen
once
again
with
the
language
as
currently
written,
and
so
we
believe
that
is
a
significant
concern.
H
The
third
issue
is
that
section:
4b
has
four
exceptions
to
the
general
rule:
that
police
will
not
ask
about
immigration
status
that
will
not
generally
enforce
immigration
laws
and
I'll
just
take
them
very
quickly,
because
I
have
more
details
in
our
letter
to
you,
but
the
first
one
for
b1
would
allow
police
to
investigate
and
enforce
federal
law
about
re-entry
to
the
United
States.
The
statute
that
is
cited
there
is
about
what
happens
when
a
person
has
been
deported
from
the
country
and
is
caught
re-entering.
H
When
advocates
read
that
language
there
were
little
shock
waves,
we
do
not
understand
why
the
police
would
want
to
be
enforcing
federal
law.
Why,
as
the
language
states,
they
would
be
detaining
and
investigating
people
about
this
federal
statute.
We
did
not
know
that
the
police
were
doing
this.
We
hope
that
they're
not
doing
it,
and
we
think
that
this
language
is
very
harmful.
H
Section
4b
says
that
the
police
can
share
a
core
information
with
ice
ice
is
able
to
get
core
information
through
the
state
registry
through
CJIs.
There
is
no
reason
why
the
Boston,
Police
Department,
would
need
to
share
quarry
information
and
protected
information
with
ice,
and
we
think
that
that
language
should
be
struck
because
again,
it
undermines
the
trust
that
we're
trying
to
build
here.
If
we
say
we're
going
to
be
sharing
your
protected
information
with
ice
when
it
can
be
gotten
in
a
different
way.
H
Part
4
b3
relates
to
task
force's,
which
I
have
previously
mentioned,
are
really
lacking
in
transparency.
This
language
is
vague
and
it
allows
the
Boston
Police
to
continue
to
be
part
of
these
task
force's
for
very
broad
purposes,
including
civil
matters,
and
we
believe
that
language
should
be
narrowed
so
that
we
know
the
task
forces
that
the
police
are
a
part
of,
and
we
can
ensure
that
they
really
are
focused
on
sort
of
criminal,
behavior
or
major
crimes,
and
not
a
civil
matter.
H
Section
b4
relates
to
T
and
U
visas,
which
are
visas
that
trafficking
victims
and
survivors
of
domestic
violence
can
apply,
for
they
require
a
certification
from
the
police
or
law
enforcement
that
the
person
has
been
collaborating
cooperating
with
the
law
enforcement
entity,
and
we
thank
the
police
for
you
know
putting
in
here
that
they
will
in
fact
sign
these
certifications.
However,
we
want
to
make
sure
that
they
are
not
asking
individuals
about
their
immigration
status
when
they
sign
those,
and
this
language
does
allow
making
inquiries
into
information
necessary
for
that
certification.
H
We
just
want
to
make
sure
that
those
inquiries
do
not
include
immigration,
status
and
I
believe
the
department
has
already
testified
to
the
fact
that
they
would
not
be
asking
that
information,
because
it
sends
a
chilling
chilling
effect.
Victims
will
not
come
forward
and
in
fact
you
will
hear
later,
hopefully
in
during
the
public
comment
period
about
why
that
information
is
absolutely
not
necessary.
The
police
does
not
need
to
know
your
status
in
order
to
sign
one
of
those
certifications.
H
So
those
are
the
four
exceptions
that
we
we
would
hope
that
the
City
Council
would
be
able
to
narrow
and
then.
Lastly,
our
last
concern
is
about
information
sharing
with
ice
to
Cancellara,
sabe
Jorge's
question
about
the
schools.
This
language
does
not
prevent.
Information
sharing
in
civil
matters.
I
would
contradict
what
the
department
said
today.
H
It
is
not
only
about
criminal
matters,
we
know
from
practice,
and
you
will
hear
hopefully
again
during
the
public
comment
period
from
practitioners
who
have
clients
who
have
been
deported
based
on
information
from
the
Boston
Public
Schools
and
from
the
brick
the
gang
database,
the
cop
length
database.
We
don't
know
what
other
databases
are
out
there,
but
we
know
that
ice
sits
in
these
rooms
with
the
Boston
Police
and
receives
information
either
passively
or
actively.
People
are
getting
deported
based
on
information
from
the
Boston
Police
Department
and
the
language.
H
That's
the
extent
of
my
comments
and
I
really
look
forward
to
working
with
a
committee
and
the
26
of
us
plus
really
look
forward
to
working
with
you
on
really
strengthening
this
trust
act
that
will
have
such
an
impact
really
across
the
state
because
of
the
way
you
know,
Boston
is
built
on
immigrant
work
and
sweat
and
labor.
Thank
you
very
much.
Thank.
A
A
H
Immigration
arrests
have
I
think
they
more
than
tripled.
Within
the
first
year
of
this
administration,
we
are
seeing
arrests
and
deportations
increase,
of
course,
we're
seeing
denials
of
asylum
seekers
and
other
forms
of
relief
that
had
that
had
not
been
denied
in
the
past,
and
so
it's
getting
more
and
more
difficult
to
come
here
to
the
United
States
legally
and
we're
seeing
deportations
of
record
numbers
of
people
and
then.
A
What
is
ACL
u--'s
position
on
sort
of
the
the
joint
investigations,
the
joint
task
force?
In
some
instances,
local
state
and
federal
authorities
have
to
work
with
one
another
for
obvious
reasons.
So
what
is
the
position
of
joint
task
force?
Joint
investigations
sharing
of
information
in
order
to
protect
the
public,
particularly
if
information
is
coming
on
I
mean
Boston,
arguably
was-
was
the
launching
pad
for
September
11th.
We
also
home
to
the
Marathon
bombing,
pretty
egregious
in
horrific
acts.
A
Work
were
conducted
and
started,
arguing
right
here
in
the
city,
so
it's
important
for
our
law
enforcement
officials,
Boston,
state,
local
and
federal-
to
work
together
to
collaborate
so
just
want
to
make
sure
that
whatever
we're
doing
here
does
not
prevent
their
ability
to
write
to
work
with
one
another.
Absolutely.
H
I
think
just
two
things
to
that
number
one.
We
would
just
say
increase
transparency.
We
we
want
to
make
sure
that
the
public
knows
what
kind
of
cooperation
is
happening
to
the
extent
that
there
are
task
forces,
more
transparency
about
what
those
task
forces
are
who's
on
them
and
what
they
do,
and,
secondly,
to
really
make
sure
that
we
limit
the
information
sharing
and
the
cooperation
in
those
task
forces
to
criminal
matters
only
and
that
we
don't
use
those
to
help
deport
our
friends
and
neighbors.
A
B
You
Laura
for
your
testimony
day
for
your
for
your
partnership
coming
back
five
years
with
us,
with
this
coalition
in
my
first
term
and
now
in
my
final
term,
trying
to
trying
to
fix
this
or
make
it
better.
I
should
say
I.
Thank
you
and
I
know.
You
said
you're
going
to
provide
the
written
comments
to
the
committee,
which
will
be
helpful,
as
as
we
will
make
sure
to
have
a
strong
final
version
of
this
bill.
B
I
appreciate
it
here
in
the
practical
impacts
and
some
of
the
concerns
from
you,
your
coalition
and
clients,
and
the
folks
that
you
work
with
is
important
because
it's
it's
one
thing
to
write
legislation
in
this
building
and
another
to
hear
how
it's
going
to
impact
day
to
day
and
I
certainly
want
to
make
sure
whatever
the
final
language
of
this
is
is
doing
what
we
intend.
So
you
know
I,
don't
want
to
go
line
by
line
in
the
weeds
right
now.
B
B
I
think
that's
certainly
something
I
would
will
inquire
with
with
the
prior
panel
about
removing
that
I
think
that's
a
that's
an
important
first
step,
but
as
again
I
don't
want
to
go
a
line-by-line
in
this
forum,
but
I'm
certainly
welcome
that
discussion
and
that
cooperation
I
think
we
need
to
need
to
do
it.
You
know
you
made
a
very
important
point
about
a
state
law
already
sort
of
following
our
original
trust.
Act
and
it's
you
know
it's
critical
that
as
important
as
I
think
this
law
can
be
day
to
day.
B
It
also
is
a
symbol.
It
also
has
power
in
discourse
across
the
Commonwealth
we're
the
largest
city.
People
look
to
Boston
and
we
have
challenges
at
the
state
level
around
this.
So
I
also
think
that's
incredibly
important
and
I
want
to
make
sure
we
are
leading
on
that
and
I
look
forward
to
hearing
comments
from
I.
B
Think
many
of
the
people
behind
you
and
I
know
it
received
some
written
comments
about
this
as
well,
but
this
is
a
their
shared
goals
here
and
the
shared
goals
of
both
the
Walsh
administration,
and
certainly
our
colleagues
here
on
the
council,
your
organization,
your
coalition,
to
do
this
thoughtfully
so
I.
Thank
you
for
that.
You've
really
already
shared
I.
Think
in
your
testimony
very
succinctly
what
what
your
concerns
are
for
this
I,
don't
have
I,
think
detailed
questions
on
that.
B
I
will
just
assure
you
that
those
are
you
know
well
taken,
certainly
by
me
I
expect
by
my
colleagues.
I,
don't
want
to
speak
for
anyone
else
and
we'll
continue
to
review
that
and
to
work
on
that,
because
this
this
does
have
to
work.
You
know
I'm,
not
I,
don't
think
any
of
us
are
in
the
habit
of
working
on
legislation.
That's
not
gonna,
have
the
desired
impact
and
and
to
councillor
the
chairs
point
about
task
forces
around
terrorism
around
drug
trafficking
around
gangs.
B
Absolutely
that's
something
that
nothing
that
nobody
on
this
body
wants
to
prevent.
But
you
know
your
point
about.
B
A
G
Thank
you,
council,
Flaherty
I've,
just
to
two
points
or
questions
for
Mora
on
before
that.
You
that
you
highlighted,
as
it
relates
to
domestic
violence,
I
the
opportunity
I
have
the
opportunity
to
I'm
working
with
them.
Council
president
Andrea
Campbell
on
domestic
violence,
violence
programs
and
we're
gonna
have
a
hearing
soon.
I
visited
the
Asian
task.
Force
against
domestic
violence
recently
have
spoken
to
them
many
times
the
the
number
one
issue
they
have
is
language
access,
and
the
second
issue
is
people
are
afraid
to
come
forward
because
of
their
immigration
status.
G
So
as
it
relates
to
be
for
what
what
can
I
do?
What
can
we
do
to
be
helpful
as
it
relates
to
domestic
violence,
victims
making
sure
that
their
privacy
is
protected
their
and
their
status
is
protected
in
that
they
are
able
to
get
the
services
that
they
need,
even
though
a
police
officer
may
be
in
the
room
eventually,
but
is
there
anything
that
we
can
do
specifically
just
strengthen
that
absolutely.
H
I
H
Are
necessary
and
they
have
a
chilling
impact
so
just
that
first
Clause
making
increase
in
to
information
necessary
to
certify
to
ensure
that
that
does
not
include
immigration
status
and,
of
course,
there
you
know.
I
would
look
forward
to
your
upcoming
hearing
about
proactive
ways
in
which
the
police
can
continue
to
build
those
relationships
to
ensure
that
victims
and
survivors
are
coming
forward.
That's.
G
G
But
it
does
take
a
lot
of
Education
in
training
prior
to
that
to
make
sure
that
the
message
gets
out
there
that,
when
you
do
participate
in
the
census
that
that
information
will
not
be
shared
with
anyone.
Do
you
have
any
comments
or
thoughts
about
how
we
can
continue
working
to
educate
people
in
our
immigrant
community
about
the
importance
of
the
census?
Yes,.
H
Certainly
many
of
the
groups
behind
me
are
part
of
the
coalition
to
ensure
that
everyone
is
counted
in
Massachusetts
and
we
have
been
working
with
the
Chinese,
progressive,
Association
and
others
to
do
that.
That
education
work
number
one
to
say
that
the
law
does
prohibit
the
sharing
of
census,
information
with
other
agencies
and
to
be
clear
about
that
and
then
number
two
to
ensure
people
that
the
Supreme
Court
did
do
not
allow
the
citizenship
question
to
go
forward,
because
there
were
so
many
questions
around.
That.
H
Would
the
citizens
to
question
be
there
and
would
that
have
a
chilling
impact.
So
we've
been
doing
a
great
deal
of
Education
around
that
you
know
and
with
the
kickoff
coming
up,
and
we
would
continue
to
have
the
City
Council's
official
help
on
that
to
really
get
the
word
out
to
people
that
it's
it's
safe
to
answer
the
census
and
that
we
need
you
to
answer
so
that
you
can
be
counted
so
that
you
can
get
the
resources
and
the
federal
money
and
the
representation
that
you
deserve.
G
G
G
Is
that
information
shared
with
any
law
enforcement
authorities
that
we
know
of
if,
if
they
are
an
immigrant
and
the
reason
I
ask,
is
like
many
of
my
colleagues
we're
often
on
picket
lines,
and
we
talk
to
a
lot
of
the
workers
and,
as
you
said,
they
work
hard
and
they
make
our
city
the
city
that
it
is,
but
I
would
never
want
to
see
that
type
of
information
from
someone
on
a
picket
line
be
shared
with
anybody.
Does
any
of
this
address
those
concerns?
I?
Will.
H
Allow
my
colleagues
from
the
labor
union,
through
here
today,
including
SEIU,
32bj,
to
talk
more
extensively
about
that,
but
just
to
say
that
we
want
to
ensure
that
people
can
exercise
their
rights,
and
part
of
that
is
making
sure
that
you
know
if
you
are
in
a
situation
where
you're
going
to
be
arrested,
that
information
won't
lead
to
deportation.
So
that
part
of
the
trust
Act
is,
is
this
information
sharing
that
we
want
to
be
able
to
limit?
H
G
Yeah
someone
that's
on
a
picket
line
expressing
their
constitutional
rights
for
fear
wages
of
being
treated
fairly.
Treating
treated
with
respect
I
would
never
want
to
see
that
information
on
pass
to
anybody,
so
maybe
during
a
working
session,
that's
something
we
could
continue
to
work
on.
Thank
you
for
taking
my
questions.
Thank
that
goose
on
safari,
Thank.
A
You
counselor
Thank
You
Laura
for
participating
today
appreciate
your
time
and
attention
look
forward
to
working
with
you
and
also
that
will
conclude
the
second
panel.
We're
gonna
go
to
transition
of
public
testimony.
You're
welcome
to
stay
as
well
to
listen
to
public
testimony.
So
if
there's
any
folks
wishing
to
offer
public
testimony,
I
have
a
couple
sheets
here.
We're
gonna
continue
to
take
signatures
so
and
just
ask
folks
to
come
in.
You
can
alternate.
We
have
two
sets
of
microphones
one
to
the
left,
one
to
the
right,
so
Wendy
Wayne.
A
J
You
very
much
good
morning
and
thank
you
to
City
Council
members
for
having
this
hearing
for
allowing
me
to
speak.
My
name
is
Wendy
Wayne
I'm,
the
director
of
the
immigration
impact
unit
at
the
committee
for
Public
Counsel
services,
also
known
as
CPCs.
You
probably
know
that
CPCs
is
the
statewide
public
defender's
office
responsible
for
providing
court-appointed
counsel
to
all
individuals,
indigent
individuals
who
have
a
state
recognized
right
to
counsel,
so
we
represent
people
not
only
in
criminal
cases
but
in
juvenile
children
and
family
law
and
mental
health
cases
as
well.
J
My
unit
advises
those
attorneys
on
who
have
immigrant
clients
on
the
immigration
consequences
of
their
cases.
I'd
like
to
reiterate
the
points
made
by
Laura
rota
Lowe
earlier
of
some
of
the
comments
points
that
she
made
about
this
revised
trust
Act.
The
Act
strengthens
in
some
areas
the
general
understanding
that
Boston
Police
will
not
ask
about
immigration
status,
and
that
is
a
very
as
Laura
wrote.
Elo's
stated
earlier.
J
That
is
a
very
important
and
significant
point
and
and
will
have
I,
think
significant
impact
for
the
immigrant
community
or
use
resources
to
import
to
enforce
civil
immigration
law,
and
it
clarifies
that
police
may
not
hold
individuals
on
civil
immigration
detainers.
These
are
important
provisions
that
will
help
to
increase
trust
in
immigrant
communities.
However,
some
of
the
other
provisions
I
believe
undermine
that
goal
and
could
be
detrimental
not
only
to
community
members
but
also
to
the
Boston
Police
and
I'd
like
to
address
two
issues
briefly
in
particular.
J
First,
the
revised
trust
Act
does
not
address
the
sharing
of
information
with
ice
from
the
Boston
Regional
Intelligence
Center
known
as
BRIC.
The
database,
as
you
are
probably
well
aware,
includes
observations,
perceptions
and
often
vague
opinions
about
individuals
who
may
or
may
not
be
gang
related.
It
includes
rumors
and
hearsay
that
individual
officers
have
heard
that
may
turn
out
to
be
false,
but
nonetheless
remain
indefinitely.
In
this
database,
the
documents
from
BRIC
often
have
a
disclaimer
on
the
bottom.
J
It's
my
understanding
that
the
information
does
not
constitute
probable
cause
that
it
is
information
meant
only
for
officer,
safety
and
awareness.
In
fact,
the
SJC,
the
state
Massachusetts
Supreme,
Judicial
Court,
the
state
Supreme
Court,
recently
commented
on
testimony
that
was
based
on
information
from
the
BRIC
database
and
found
that
testimony
of
a
so-called
gang
expert
of
that
a
murder
defendant
was
gang-related
based
on
information
from
the
BRIC
database
was
so
unreliable
that
it
was
one
of
the
grounds
that
warranted
reversal
of
this
murder
conviction.
J
Although
information
from
the
BRIC
database
cannot
be
used
in
criminal
prosecutions
because
it
is,
does
not
have
a
sufficient
level
of
reliability
and
it's
considered
it's
often
hearsay.
It
is
regularly
shared
with
ice
and
used
in
immigration
proceedings
in
very
significant
ways
to
deny
bond
to
people
so
that
people
are
not
released
during
the
pendency
of
their
removal
proceedings
and
often
results
in
negative
discretionary
decisions
which
result
in
deportation
of
people
who
would
otherwise
be
eligible
for
lawful
status
in
the
u.s.
I
believe.
J
The
Trust
Act
should
include
an
preventing
the
sharing
of
information
from
this
database
with
ice.
The
second
issue
that
I
would
like
to
address
is
a
more
general
one
about
some
of
the
exceptions
that
have
already
been
talked
about
listed
in
4b
of
the
proposed
act.
As
already
stated,
some
of
these
exceptions,
I
worry,
may
result
in
and
sort
of
swallowing
the
intent
of
the
act
that
the
exception
Sweatt
threatened
to
swallow.
J
The
rule
that
Boston
Laura
law
enforcement
should
not
be
involved
in
civil
immigration
enforcement,
especially
the
exceptions
which
continue
to
allow
information
sharing
and
joint
investigations
that
include
not
only
criminal
prosecutions
or
criminal
investigations,
but
also
include
some
civil
immigration
enforcement
and
specific
provisions
that
discuss
police.
As
we've
already
talked
about
individuals
arresting
individuals
on
federal
immigrants,
if
alors
I'm,
sorry
federal
criminal
immigration
offenses.
This
will
continue
both
the
reality
and
the
perception
that
Boston
police
are
somehow
facilitating
and
involved
in
immigration
enforcement,
which
goes
against
the
intent
of
this
revised
Act.
J
It's
sort
of
diluted,
focus
by
Boston
police
on
their
main
purpose,
which
should
be
their
only
purpose
in
keeping
the
Boston
community
safe
and
investigating
and
prosecuting
local
and
state
crimes,
and
we
have
seen
an
exam
examples
in
the
last
couple
years
as
to
what
happens
when
civil
immigration
enforcement
invades
our
criminal
justice
system
when
ice
in
the
last
two
years,
as
has
been
well
reported
ice
has
been
routinely
stalking.
The
Massachusetts
courthouses
arresting
people
as
they're
coming
and
going
from
the
Massachusetts
courthouses
inside
the
courtrooms
inside
the
hallways
it
has
caused.
J
It
has
prevented
immigrant
defendants,
victims
and
witnesses
from
attending
court,
and
it's
well
recognized
at
this
point
that
civil
immigration
enforcement
within
Massachusetts
courthouses
severely
impacts
both
the
functioning
of
the
court
and
access
to
the
court
and
the
criminal
justice
system
as
a
whole.
Similarly,
I
fear
that
when
Boston
police
are
sharing
information
and
participating
in
joint
investigations
that
result
in
civil
immigration
enforcement
any
more
than
is
required
by
law.
J
This
not
only
erodes
trust
in
the
community,
but
it
also
creates
certain
expectations
by
ice
that
Boston
Police
may
do
their
bidding
when
it
comes
to
civil
immigration
enforcement
and
we've
seen
that
when
those
expectations
are
not
met
that
this
has
resulted
in
federal
criminal
prosecution
against
court
officials
who
were
involved
in
their
roles
within
the
courthouse.
It's
created.
Those
those
federal
pending
federal
indictments
have
created
tremendous
fear
from
all
of
those
involved
in
the
criminal
justice
system.
J
Ices
ability
to
do
their
civil
immigration
enforcement
and
I
believe
that
when
ice,
when
Boston
police
are
involved
any
more
than
necessary
in
information
sharing
investigations
or
anything
that
involves
civil
immigration
enforcement,
that
that
could
create
the
same
expectations
and
create
the
same
risk
to
Boston
law
enforcement
that
they
could
be
seen
as
somehow
impeding
or
obstructing
civil
immigration
enforcement.
In
the
future,
if
they
should
decide
in
a
particular
case,
they
don't
want
to
share
certain
information
or
they
don't
want
to
participate
in
an
investigation,
because
the
true
purpose
is
not
criminal.
J
It's
more
civil
immigration
enforcement
and
so,
for
those
reasons,
I
believe
that
the
exceptions
in
4b
will
undermine
the
intent
of
the
revised
act
and
will
also
create
an
unnecessary
risk
for
law
enforcement
officials
in
Boston
and
for
those
reasons,
I
would
ask
you
to
reconsider
those
amendments
and
I.
Thank
you
again
for
allowing
me
to
speak
today.
Thank.
K
Good
morning,
thank
you
for
having
me
here.
Thank
you
for
listening
to
our
concerns.
My
name
is
Louisa.
I
am
a
co-founder
and
the
director
of
the
Brazil
women's
group.
We
are
located
in
Brighton.
I
am
a
Boston
resident
I'm
a
proud
resident
of
Jamaica
Plain
and
I
have
worked
it
up
as
a
bilingual
food
coordinate
for
20
years
for
Boston,
Public,
Schools,
I'm
no
longer
with
PBS,
but
I
worked
for
20
years
during
his
school.
His
restoration
for
Portuguese
speaking
families,
I'm,
not
going
to
repeat
of
people
upset
before
me.
K
I
am
here
to
talk
about
two
issues:
fear
and
the
same
source.
I'm
very
concerned
with
my
community
burgeoning
community
in
Boston,
because
people
are
so
calm
so
fearful,
and
the
narrative
put
forth
by
the
Flores
case
is
that
the
Boston
police
turned
to
immigration,
a
worker
victory
of
Labor
violation.
That's
the
narrative
that
people
heard,
and
it
is
too
out
there,
because
we
don't
have
a
clear
answer
and
I
am
worried
because
that
the
Brazilians
group
we
do
not
work
with
domestic
violence.
K
We
don't
have
a
project
to
help
women
or
other
Brickner
from
experience,
but
we
are
seeing
an
increase
in
the
number
of
domestic
violence.
We've
received
two
to
three
calls
every
week
on
domestic
violence,
and
we
refer
them
to
programs
like
Massachusetts
of
Portuguese
speakers
in
order
that
we
know
that
have
Portuguese
speaking
people
trained
but
I'm.
Raising
this
because
fear
does
not
allow
these
women
or
other
Richman's
to
report
the
police.
They
are
not
going
to
court,
they
call
us
because
they
are
so
afraid
to
go
to
court.
K
The
other
day
the
woman
was
freaking
out
because
by
mistake
she
got
request
for
Jew
duty.
She
didn't
qualify
for
the
renewal,
but
she
just
freaked
out
that
she
had
that
paper
in
front
of
her
and
she
had
to
go
to
the
authorities.
So
the
other
thing
that
I
want
to
say
is
about
the
census
that
you
raised.
How
can
I
go
back
to
my
community?
Ask
people
to
fill
out
a
form
or
open
the
door
to
an
enumerator
or
answer
a
call
from
someone?
K
They
don't
know
in
this
climate,
so
I'm
here
I
want
to
be
short
I'm
here
to
tell
you
put
yourself
please
in
this
family
shoes,
look
at
your
heart
and
listen
to
what
my
colleague,
Laura
wrote
early
said,
take
into
consideration
and
the
concern
that
we
raise
in
the
in
our
letter
these
families
coming
to
Boston.
Now
we
have
many
families
coming.
It's
huge.
The
number
in
Boston
Public
Schools
are
seeing
a
lot
of
kids
coming
to
school
history.
These
kids
are
traumatized
most
of
them
cross
the
board.
K
K
You
are
safe
to
go
to
a
movie,
theater
yeah,
but
I
can't
say
that
or
I
can't
say
that,
but
they
are
not
going
to
hear
or
believe
me
if
the
narrative
in
the
newspaper,
the
narrative
out
there
in
Boston,
is
that
the
Boston
police's
work
with
immigration.
So
please
take
into
consideration.
We
said.
Thank
you
so
much.
Thank.
A
L
Good
morning,
Thank
You,
chairman
Flaherty
counselors,
hi,
George
Flynn,
especially
counselors
a
come
for
your
leadership
and
the
Boston
Trust
Act,
and
for
your
willingness
to
make
some
amendments.
My
name
is
Kerry
Doyle
I'm,
an
immigration
attorney
I'm
in
private
practice.
Currently
I've
been
practicing
for
26
years,
I
came
from
the
nonprofit
world
and
considering
we
specialize
in
complex
cases
and
working
with
a
low-income
community,
some
would
say
I'm
still
in
the
nonprofit
world.
L
L
Think
it's
important
that
the
BPD's
are
aware
of
that,
and
it's
careful
and
you
heard
about
as
councillor
Flynn
was
mentioning
in
particular
domestic
violence,
survivors
and
other
individuals,
but
I've
had
clients
who
I
declined,
who
was
being
extorted
by
someone,
we
believe,
might
be
a
confidential
informant
with
ice
and
he
was
turned
into
ice
detained
and
deported
from
his
permanent
resident
spouse
and
citizen
children.
I'm
a
resident
of
Boston
I
am
my
businesses
in
Boston.
We
I'm
particularly
concerned
with
the
brick
and
the
sharing
of
the
information
out
of
the
brick
I.
L
Have
a
young
man
now
he's
not
from
Boston
from
Chelsea,
but
it's
a
parallel
happens
exactly
the
same
way
out
of
East
Boston
High
School
in
particular,
where
information
from
the
brick
has
been
used
against
him
he's
eligible
for
a
green
card.
The
immigration
judges
actually
granted
him
a
green
card,
and
yet
because
it's
on
appeal
he's
actually
been
detained
for
two.
He
over
two
years,
two
and
a
half
years
by
ice
he's
on
suicide
watch.
Currently
it's
really
at
the
Plymouth
County
house
correction.
L
He
was
just
moved
to
Bristol
County
house
correction,
but
all
of
that
is
as
a
result
of
the
brick
and
of
information-sharing
from
the
brick.
He
has
no
juvenile
convictions,
certainly
no
adults,
convictions
whatsoever
and
the
judges,
immigration
judges
are
taking
information
from
the
brick
and
using
that
to
deny
bond
and
to
deny
relief.
Now,
in
our
case,
we
won
both
bond
and
relief
from
the
immigration
judge.
Despite
the
negative
information
from
the
brick
I
was
concerned
by
the
information
that
saying
that
the
information
from
the
brick
is
only
shared
in
quote
criminal
matters.
L
L
You
know
Jose
Ramos
and
they
say
oh
yeah,
we've
had
some
interaction
with
them
and
the
brick
that
they
just
hand
over
they
hand
over
all
those
documents.
I've
got
brick
documents
from
a
number
of
individuals,
both
in
Boston
and
out
in
this
case
that
were
handed
over
to
ice
and
are
used
as
a
tool
against
the
young
men
who
may
be
mentioned
in
those
in
the
brick
database
and
to
understand
also
that
the
even
the
brick
database
that
the
standard
to
put
information
in
there
is
not
being
followed.
L
So
there's
information
going
into
the
brick
that
shouldn't
be
going
into
the
brick
and
we've
worked
with
some
experts
and
others
have
testified
to
this
immigration
court.
But
really
the
problem
is
at
its
source,
which
is
the
brick
itself,
and
that
information
is
going
to
the
brick
that
shouldn't
even
be
in
the
brick
and
then
the
information,
even
that
should
be
in
the
brick,
is
all
very
unreliable.
L
And,
as
miss
Wayne
mentioned,
that
and
Lauro
Tola
mentioned
that
the
Supreme
Judicial
Court
has
said
that
this
information
is
unreliable
and
in
fact,
bus
and
BPD
does
not
use
information
from
the
brick
in
pursuing
criminal
charges
against
individuals,
because
it
is
so
unreliable.
But
because
this
information
is
shared
with
ice.
It's
really
having
a
unbelievable
impact.
L
In
order
to
deport
them
and
remember
that
immigration
is
a
civil
is
completely
civil.
It's
not
a
criminal
matter
whatsoever
and
so
to
me,
I
think
it's
very,
very
important
that
there
be
stricter
guidelines
for
sharing
a
Birk
information
with
ice
that,
if
we're
talking
about
criminal
issues,
I
think
there
again,
there
has
to
be
very
strict
guidelines
on
what
criminal
really
means
and
it
can't
just
be
ice.
L
L
So
there's
someone
that
may
be
ice
can
arrest
a
BB
D
can't
arrest,
for
example,
and
they'll
use
ice,
they'll
use
immigration,
you
know
as
a
tool,
and
it
goes
both
ways
and
so
I'm
very
concerned
about
the
BRIC
sharing
and
the
truth
is
what
councillor
Flynn
was
asking
about
what
you
know.
What
can
he
do?
What
can
the
council
do
and
honestly,
as
was
mentioned,
I
mean
the
narrative
in
the
community.
Is
that
BPD
community?
You
know
cooperates
of
ice
it
just
it
is
because
of
what
happened
to
mr.
L
Paz
Flores
people
know
the
community
is
a
grapevine
like
people
here
and
it's
rumors
too,
but
the
most
important
thing
that
the
City
Council
and
the
Boston
as
a
community
that
the
mayor
and
that
the
City
Council
can
do,
is
to
stand
up
and
actually
not
just
say
we're
a
welcoming
community
for
immigrants.
I
mean
we're
an
immigrant
city,
we're
a
majority-minority
city.
L
We
need
to
step
up
and
we
need
to
set
an
example
for
the
rest
of
the
Commonwealth
and
for
the
country
I,
believe,
and
that
your
actions
to
stand
up
and
say
we
are
taking
very
specific
actions,
not
just
words,
but
actions
to
protect
immigrants
in
our
community
and,
as
the
community
members
see
that
they're
being
protected,
see
that
BPD
really
is
on
their
side
and
not
on
Isis
side
and
I.
Don't
then
that
is
not
the
current
narrative
I
think
you
will
see.
You
know
a
shift
in
understanding.
L
The
community
people
and
councillor
Flynn's
death
struck,
for
example,
in
the
in
the
Chinese
American
community,
will
be
more
willing
to
come
forward
and
make
complaints.
People
and
other
immigrant
communities
will
be
more
willing
to
come
forward
and
make
complaints,
but
the
hope
the
brick
sharing
information
and
I
would
agree.
Just
the
reentry,
the
being
specifically
willing
to
enforce
reentry
is
is,
is
really
problematic
and
I
have
a
number
of
cases
and
I
won't
go
on
but
of
individuals
that
have
reentered
in
part
because
they
were
their
rights
were
violated
initially.
L
So
it's
not
so
cut
and
dry,
like
don't
believe
just
because
someone
were
interred
there.
Some,
you
know
terrible
criminal,
because
the
stories
are
as
complex
as
you
can
imagine,
and
that,
in
order
for
us
to
have
a
safe,
welcoming,
successful
community,
we
need
to
people
need
to
be
to
feel
safe
and
protect
it.
And
I-
and
I
would
say
that
at
this
moment-
that's
not
true
and
we
are
fighting.
L
You
know
the
federal
it
the
federal
narrative,
which
is
very
negative,
but
I
think
anything
Boston
can
do
and
the
council
can
do
to
really
lay
out
specific
information
to
protect
kids
and
their
schools,
which
they
don't
feel
protected
right
now,
to
protect
kids
here
that
trite
that
need
help
that
need
support
that
can
have
a
future
I
think
the
the
actions
will
speak
louder
than
your
words
and
that
we
can
really
have
a
safe
and
welcoming
community
and
a
successful
City.
Thank
you.
M
Thank
you
very
much.
My
name
is
Amy
Grunder
and
I
direct
legislative
affairs
for
the
Massachusetts
immigrant
and
Refugee
advocacy
coalition,
representing
over
a
hundred
and
thirty
organizations
providing
advocacy
and
services
for
over
a
million
immigrant
state
residents.
I
want
to
thank
all
three
of
you:
councilors
Claire
clarity
and
Zakim
and
as
Baby
George
I
hope,
I
pronounced
your
name
right
for
the
opportunity
to
testify
today.
M
So
we,
like
the
other
speakers
today,
we
really
applaud
the
efforts
of
counselors
Aiken
and
the
Boston
City
Council
to
amend
the
2014
trust
act
in
this
new
era
of
really
terrifying
no-holds-barred
immigration
enforcement.
These
efforts
are
more
critical
than
ever
in
restoring
confidence
in
our
public
officials,
not
just
police,
but
especially
the
police.
We
do
share
the
view
that
these
amendments
are
necessary
in
light
of
the
Supreme
Judicial
Court
s--
2017
Lunn
decision.
M
But
that
said
again,
the
language
is
currently
drafted,
creates
a
number
of
loopholes
and
exceptions
that,
in
our
view,
undermines
these
protections
in
some
cases,
severely
so
of
a
particular
concern
for
us
first,
the
proposed
organ
ordinance
does
not
prevent
police
from
sharing
information
with
ice
about
a
person's
pending
release
from
custody.
As
drafted
now
it
only
prohibits
police
from
affirmatively
offering
such
information.
It
continues
to
allow
such
information
sharing
in
response
to
a
nice
request,
which
is
typically
the
trigger
for
such
information
sharing.
So
that's
one.
That's
in
for
a
1c.
M
Second,
the
ordinance
would
not
prohibit
police
from
notifying
ice
of
the
whereabouts
of
someone
who
is
not
in
custody
for
the
purpose
of
making
a
civil
immigration
civil
immigration
arrests.
This
leaves
open
the
possibility
for
the
kind
of
abuse
that
we
saw
in
the
Flores
case
and
undermines
the
trust
between
immigrant
communities
and
the
BPD.
Remember
he
was
not
in
custody,
nor
was
he
ever
charged
with
a
crime,
I
believe.
M
Third,
the
ordinance
would
police
permit
police
to
question
and
arrest
people
on
mere
suspicion
that
they
have
violated
federal
immigration
laws
that
criminalize
re-entry
after
deportation.
If
such
people
are
detected
during
a
zit,
quoting
during
an
unrelated
Boston
police
activity,
which
could
include
something
as
simple
as
a
traffic
stop,
this
provision
undermines
the
prohibition
in
the
ordinance
on
asking
questions
about
immigration
status,
creating
the
possibility
of
investigation
and
arrest
on
the
pretext
that
a
person
appears
to
re-enter
the
country
illegally.
N
Be
brief,
badger
I'm,
a
senior
attorney
at
the
pair
project
I've
worked
in
as
an
immigration
advocate
for
about
15
years.
In
my
current
role,
I
work
primarily
with
families,
youth
and
victims
of
crimes.
I
wanted
to
address
the
questions
briefly
about
the
provision
for
before
about
the
U
visa
and
T
visa
applications.
N
Just
to
be
clear,
so
you
visa
applications
is
a
type
of
protection
for
victims
of
crimes,
T
visas
for
victims
of
trafficking.
Both
types
of
applications
have
a
process
whereby
a
law
enforcement
agent,
or
it
could
be
a
prosecutor,
is
signing
in
a
certification
that
the
individual
was
assisting
or
cooperating
in
the
investigation
or
prosecution
of
the
crime
or
the
trafficking.
N
That's
the
only
assessment,
the
whether
the
assistance
or
cooperation
has
occurred
that
is
being
asked
on
that
application
or
that
certification,
and
so
the
the
question
of
whether
an
individual
is
undocumented
or
what
their
status
is
is
really
relevant
and
our
fear.
Our
concern
is
that,
by
having
a
provision
stating
that
le
A's
may
ask
about
immigration
status,
that
messages
to
le
A's,
that
it
is
permissible
to
ask
about
an
immigration
status,
and
our
position
is
simply
that
it's
not
it's
not
relevant.
N
That
determination
is
made
by
the
immigration
agency,
US
citizenship
and
immigration
status
services
when
an
application
and
that
certification
is
submitted
to
them.
It
would
create
a
chilling
effect.
The
chilling
effect
has
already
started,
but
it
would
further
the
chilling
effect
of
victims
coming
forward
and
asking
for
police
protection,
which
is
the
point
of
the
U
and
visa
applicant
e
visa
application.
N
It's
not
always
about
criminal
charges.
We
know
that
there
are
fi
OS
that
are
being
made
in
the
schools
or
outside
the
schools
by
individuals
that,
as
far
as
we
know,
are
either
BPD
in
the
school
or
Boston
Public,
School,
police,
and
they
don't
allege
criminal
conduct
so
why
they
are
being
entered
into
databases
at
all
is
unclear
because
there
are
regulations
about
the
nature
of
the
FIO
is
needing
to
allege
criminal
conduct,
but
that
information
is
obtained
by
ice.
N
We
get
it
when
we
are
an
immigration
court,
defending
our
clients
so
because
we
don't
understand
how
it's
being
shared.
There
are
no
rules,
you
ask
different
people
and
you
get
different
answers.
The
trust
Act
is
the
opportunity
to
clarify
that
and
lay
groundwork
and
get
everyone
on
the
same
page
and
I.
Would
you
know,
encourage
the
city
and
the
city
council
to
stop
that
information
sharing
until
we
have
a
better
understanding
of
how
it's
working?
Thank
you.
O
Don't
think
it's
it's
crystal
clear,
as
laid
out
in
the
US
Department
of
Labor's
complaint
in
that
case,
based
on
the
information
that
they
were
able
to
obtain
that
the
police
clearly
connected
all
the
dots
and
facilitated
mr.
Paz.
Flores
is
arrest
by
ice
and
there
really
was
not
the
slightest
justification
for
that
and
the
hearing
that
was
held
back
in
April.
The
representatives
of
the
bpe
did
try
did
say
they
said
that
there
were
identity
issues.
O
They
alluded
to
his
quarry
that
they
could
Scherer
in
order
to
protect
his
privacy
and,
as
I
said
back
then
I've
seen.
All
of
that
there
is
nothing
there
that
provided
the
slightest
justification
for
anything.
The
only
the
criminal
charges,
apart
from
a
very
minor
motor
vehicle
matter,
were
had
been
13
to
15
years
ago
in
Florida
and
we're
all
dismissed.
O
Because
you
know
this
is
one
case
that
came
to
light,
but
it
really
indicates
that
we
need
to
have
this
laid
out
and,
as
you've
heard,
you
know
nothing
in
this
current
proposal
would
have
prevented
this
from
happening
again
and
I
would
strongly
urge
you
to
consider
the
ways
in
which
this
the
proposal
can
really
be
tightened
and
strengthened
to
really
delineate
when
and
where
the
Boston
Police
can
share
information
and
play
this
kind
of
role.
Thank
you.
Thank.
A
P
Morning,
chairman
and
members
of
the
committee
name
is
Gabriel:
Camacho
I'm,
the
immigrant
rights
coordinator
for
the
American
Friends
Service
Committee,
the
AFSC
is
a
Nobel
Peace
Laureate
and
just
compel
a
braided
its
centennial
last
year.
It
was
five
years
ago
that
many
of
us
here
and
many
many
more
who
could
not
be
here
today,
especially
immigrant
workers,
packed
his
chamber
for
hours
and
testified
in
favor
of
the
Boston
Trust
Act.
The
comments
and
questions
from
the
council
were
supportive.
P
That
night
we
left
City
Hall,
confident
at
the
Boston
City
Council
would
do
the
right
thing
and
you
did
Thank
You
counsel,
councilman
Zakim,
for
your
leadership
and
advocacy.
As
you
know,
we
now
face
a
far
more
dangerous
political
climate
for
immigrants
and
people
of
color.
This
is
why
we
oppose
the
four
proposed
amendments
that
were
mentioned
by
attorney,
wrote
Allu
and
that
would
betray
the
spirit
of
the
original
Trust
Act.
P
Some
of
the
proposed
amendments
would
even
would
make
the
revised
trust
that
extremely
harmful
for
immigrant
communities
and
relationships
between
the
communities
and
the
Boston
Police
Department.
We
are
here
today
because
mr.
Paz
Flores,
an
immigrant
worker,
was
a
victim
of
collusion
between
an
unscrupulous
employer,
a
Boston
police
officer
who,
for
no
good
legal
or
official
reason,
contacted
Immigration
and
Customs
Enforcement.
P
He
even
said
at
a
press
conference
that
he
would
make
city
hall
a
sanctuary
if
there
was
a
Trump
raid.
Let's
get
back
to
that
now,
you
have
a
simple
choice
today
or
when
you
deliberate
either
become
part
of
this
massive
deportation
machinery
or
represent
your
community
and
do
the
right
thing
as
you
did
in
2014.
Q
Good
morning,
thank
you
so
much
for
giving
us
this
opportunity
again.
My
name
is
Milagros
benito,
I'm
the
worker
center
director
of
mass
coach,
which
is
the
Massachusetts
College
for
health
and
safety
for
occupation
of
our
health,
health
and
safety,
also
representing
the
IWC,
which
is
the
immigrant
worker
collaboration
I'm
here,
to
make
a
call
about
all.
Were
you
just
hearing
they're
doing
this
morning?
Q
We
also
believe
that
there
is
concerns
about
this
new
organist
language,
and
we
believe
also,
that
feel,
would
have
no
protector
prevent
what
happened
to
the
worker,
Jose
Martinez
hope
as
florists
in
the
past
years.
We
think
that
there's
there's
still
need
to
come
with
come
up
with
a
more
comprehensive
process
to
avoid
Boston
Police
Department
cooperate
with
eyes.
This
situation
continued
opponents
in
fear
from
retaliation
all
the
hard-working
hard
workers
out
there
in
the
community.
Q
I
also
want
to
point
out
that
the
Terra
construction
is
currently
under
investigation
by
Urd
the
DOL
for
it
the
retaliation
they
believe
can
also
be
used
to
help
bad
employers
use
this
kind
of
illegal
tactics
to
avoid
their
responsible
and
ruin
the
lives
of
workers
out
there.
In
the
community
we
have
here,
members
of
the
community
and
the
worker
centers,
and
one
of
them
says
how
we
can
come
up
to
the
police
department
to
tell
about
any
situation,
criminal
situation
if
they
treat
us
as
illegal
we're,
not
illegal.
Q
We
are
people
without
documents,
but
why
put
that
you
know
the
stamp
of
illegal
people
in
the
community?
So
it's
very,
the
fear
is,
is
there
is
a
rising?
The
treatments
are
arising,
so
I'm
here
also
just
to
go.
Go
over
so
for
what
you
just
heard
and
in
my
Scotch
we
believe
that
the
workers
should
and
in
our
community
the
workers
who
work
go
out
to
work,
come
back
safe
to
home
to
their
families,
and
we
didn't
have
a
you
know:
a
dignity,
life
and
immigrants
were
here
and
yeah
and
we're
here
to
stay.
R
I'm
Michael
Felsen,
thanks
for
this
opportunity,
I'm
a
I
guess
for
decade,
resident
Jamaica,
Plain
and
I
also
for
39
years,
worked
for
the
US
Department
of
Labor
right
over
there
as
an
attorney
engaged
in
enforcement
of
worker
protection
laws.
I'd
like
to
just
sort
of
elaborate
on
some
of
the
worker
protection
issues
that
this
this,
the
the
Boston
Trust
Act
implicates.
R
The
protections
have
no
teeth,
however,
if
workers
are
afraid
to
assert
them.
Employees,
whether
documented
or
undocumented,
may
have
reason
to
fear
negative
repercussions
from
their
employer
if
they
assert
their
workplace
rights
or
complain
against
I'm,
sorry
or
complain
to
government
authorities,
but
immigrant
workers
without
proper
documentation
of
work.
Authorization
are
particularly
vulnerable
to
intimidation
by
unscrupulous
employers,
who
too
often
make
threats
that
if
the
worker
doesn't
toe
the
line,
ice
will
be
called
employers
who
make
threats
like
that
and
do
so
so
that
they
can
maintain.
R
Excuse
me,
substandard
illegal
work
conditions
that
hurts
all
workers
documented
or
undocumented
employer
threats
to
call
ice
are
also
illegal,
retaliation
under
a
number
of
laws.
If
an
employer
calls
ice
and
responds
to
workers,
assertion
to
a
workers,
assertion
of
his
rights
ice
should
not
participate
and
thereby
promote
that
participate
in
and
thereby
promote
that
employers
unlawful
act.
R
This
body,
of
course,
has
no
jurisdiction
over
ice,
but
whatever
version
of
the
Boston
Trust
Act
is
adopted,
it
should
ensure
that
no
Boston
governmental
entity
will
assist
in
employers,
threats
and
retaliation
against
workers
by
in
any
way
coordinating
or
collaborating
with
ice
in
response
to
the
employers,
unlawful
attempts
to
use
immigration
status
as
a
club
against
workers.
In
some,
we
need
to
be
sure
that
the
city
of
Boston
in
no
way
facilitates
or
participates
in
unlawful
employer,
intimidation
of
or
retaliation
against,
workers
with
a
documented
or
undocumented.
R
S
Good
morning,
councilman,
flirty
and
and
other
council
people.
Thank
you
very
much
for
for
hearing
us
and
for
taking
the
the
challenge
that
faces
our
community
seriously
and
trying
to
find
responses
for
it.
S
If
that
is
an
issue
which
faces
I,
think
the
huge
majority
of
undocumented
families
in
City,
either
in
if
it's
not
one
adult
it,
maybe
it's
a
family
member,
so
I
think
if
we
really
want
there
to
be
a
sense
that
that
one
can
interact
safely
with
police.
We
we
have
to
understand
that
this
will
just
completely
undermine
any
any
confidence
that
that
that
families
can
be
safe.
It's
I,
don't
the
the
Mississippi
raids
that
just
happened
a
month
or
so
ago,
where
more
than
six
hundred
folks
were
detained.
S
T
T
Since
this
bill
was
signed
into
law,
we've
seen
a
president
come
into
office
who
runs
his
administration
on
hate
and
fear.
So
it's
even
more
important
now
more
than
ever.
During
these,
what
we
see
as
dark
times
as
our
black
brown
and
immigrant
friends
and
neighbors
are
facing
relentless
attacks
by
this
hostile
administration.
T
This
fear
is
even
stronger
among
the
undocumented
immigrants
currently
who
call
Commonwealth
their
home,
so
we,
you
know,
we
need
our
immigrant
communities
to
be
able
to
trust
local
police
and
that
local
police
actually
need
the
community
trust
in
order
to
keep
our
city
safe.
But
this
can't
happen
is
again.
If
our
our
city
police
continue,
you
know
to
cooperate
with
ice
in
ways
that
you
know
we
earlier
folks
that
have
testified
have
spoken
to
how
we
can
strengthen
our
trust
act.
T
A
A
U
Yes,
my
name
is
Ana
Leslie
I'm,
the
director
of
Austin
health
collaborative
Thank,
You,
counselors
counselors.
They
can.
We
went
to
high
school
together,
so
go
Knights.
You've
done
us,
proud,
I,
actually
just
wanted
to
bring
up
a
specific
issue.
I
was
speaking
with
an
officer
recently
on
a
set.
It
matter
we're
just
going
over
scenarios
around
parking
violations
and
moving
violations.
That
kind
of
thing
and
was
talking
about
how
you
know
under
what
circumstances
somebody
would
be
brought
back
to
precinct
two.
What
would
happen?
U
Communications
with
ice,
that
sort
of
thing
and
the
the
sense
I
got
and
at
some
point
even
brought
up
the
trust
act
to
him
and
he
said,
what's
the
trust
act,
and
so
we
looked
it
up
together,
as
we
were
on
the
phone
and
he
said
wow,
they
don't
tell
us
anything
so
to
the
said
that
that's
true
and
we
were
having
a
casual
conversation.
I
was
very
concerned.
We
did
talk
about.
You
know
bringing
somebody
back
for
a
moving
violation.
U
If
there
is
a
warrant
out
that
he
you
know,
they
would
call
ice
and
let
them
know
they
have
this
person.
And
then
it's
up
to
ice,
whether
or
not
they
want
to
come
and
get
that
person.
My
understanding
is
that
they
are
not
legally
required
to
call
ice.
They
have
the
option
to
do
so
and
that
they
are
not
legally
allowed
to
hold
that
person.
People
in
this
room
can
very
much
correct
me.
I'm,
not
scholar
on
this
at
all.
U
That's
my
understanding
and
spoke
with
somebody
after
the
fact
to
confirm
that
I
am
NOT,
confident
that
that
precinct
knows
that,
and
so
my
general
concern
is
that
how
is
information
getting
back
to
the
people,
doing
the
daily
job
and
entrusted
to
build
that
trust?
And
it's
one
thing
to
have
a
panel
of
people
in
an
office
declaring
that
that
trust
is
being
built.
U
That's
my
why
my
organization
is
a
part
of
this
conversation,
because
we
are
focused
on
Public
Health
and
the
fear
and
the
trauma
and
the
mental
health
implications
of
these
circumstances
are
severely
detrimental
to
all
of
us
and
so,
to
the
extent
that
this
can
be
built
into
the
trust
Act,
that
there
is
mandatory
conversation
and
training
within
the
precincts
of
how
these
laws
come
into
play
in
a
daily
basis
in
interactions.
What
you
are
and
are
not
allowed
to
do
would
be
I
think
hugely
effective.
So
thank
you
very
much.
Thank.
A
B
You
mr.
chair,
thank
you
to
everyone
who
participated
in
this
either
by
being
here
to
show
your
support
and
your
presence
by
sharing
your
stories,
by
sharing
your
suggestions
for
how
to
make
this
a
better
Act.
I
will
say
this,
as
it
often
is.
Our
public
testimony
period
is
a
reminder
of
what's
at
stake
outside
sort
of
the
academic
discussions,
the
legal
discussions
that
we
often
have
in
this
building
and
in
other
legislative
chambers,
I
think
around
the
country.
B
I
think
many
of
us
will
look
back
on
and
decades
to
come
and
try
and
ask
ourselves
what
we
were
doing
when
our
neighbors
were
being
persecuted
when
our
neighbors
were
being
arrested
when
their
citizenship
and
their
status
was
in
question.
So
it's
very
much
top
of
mind
for
me
and
I
know
many
of
my
colleagues
and
I
want
to
just
thank
you
for
that
and
I
thank
the
chairman
for
his
cooperation.
B
F
You
again
to
both
of
you
and
to
everyone
who
stayed
especially
for
public
testimony,
I
think
for
me
identifying
the
ways
that
we
need
to
fix
and
strengthen
and
reaffirm,
but
I
think
to
Anna
Leslie's
point
just
now:
inform
and
educate,
not
just
our
residents
across
the
city,
but
the
practitioners
that
are
doing
this
work.
It's
really
important.
So
for
me,
those
are
the
takeaways
from
today
and
will
really
lead
me
and
guide
me
in
the
work
that
I'll
follow,
along
with
the
the
leadership
and
certainly
of
the
chair
and
of
the
lead
sponsor.
V
I
am
incredibly
encouraged
and
I.
Look
to
your
guidance
and
I
have
received
your
letter
and
I'm.
I
am
deeply
also
concerned
about
the
loopholes
that
could
be
could
be
constructed
from
the
current
language
in
the
proposed
amendments.
I
look
forward
to
tightening
them
up
and
making
sure
that
they
trust
act
really
does
engender
trust
in
all
aspects
of
our
community
and
also
I
really
do
want
to
look
to
the
workers
rights
advocates
and
the
worker
centers
and
those
of
us
who've
been
in
the
frontlines.
In
many
cases
you
know
I
think
it's
very.
A
You
councillor
Edwards,
and
so
thank
my
colleagues
for
being
here,
particularly
council
as
they
come
as
the
lead
sponsor
thank
the
administration,
the
Boston
Police
Department
ACLU,
the
attorneys
that
we
heard
from
the
organization's
the
unions
in
the
citizens
for
taking
time
to
be
here
and
to
participate
and
with
respect
to
dark-eyed,
zero,
nine,
seven,
five,
an
ordinance
amending
the
trust
Act
the
Committee
on
governor
operations
will
be
adjourned.
Thank
you.