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From YouTube: Committee on Government Operations on September 25, 2020
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Docket #0909 - Ordinance amending the City of Boston Code, Ordinances, Chapter 8-7, Public Improvement Commission
A
B
B
D
B
B
F
B
Yep
is
it
commissioner,
kristen.
B
B
As
as,
well
I
see
counselor
clarities
joined
us
is
chong
not
available.
The
attorney
for
for
pwd.
E
A
B
B
No
problem,
so
I
just
want
to
make
sure
I
had.
I
went
through
everyone's
name
made
sure
I
can
get
their
titles
correct
and
also
just
confirm
that
they're
here
again,
I
just
have
counselor
flaherty
and
counselor
flynn
with
me
right
now,
I'm
gonna
tell
my
colleagues
in
two
minutes:
we're
gonna
start
and
okay,
perfect.
H
H
B
G
B
G
Council,
hopefully
I
will
remember,
we
have
a
a
scaled
version,
like
a
small
when
I
say
small,
it's
kind
of
about
10
feet,
long
miniature
version
of
the
new
bridge,
I'll
try
and
take
a
picture
and
send
it
to
you.
So
this
way
you
will
know
what
the
final
baby
will
look
like.
B
I
will
yeah
keep
hope
alive
like
this.
Is
german
people
getting
tuned,
we've
been
joined
by
liz
councillor,
braden
and
counselor
sabi
george?
Let
them
in
and
then
we'll
just
go
ahead
and
get
started.
B
I
also
act
so
I,
along
with
chong,
was
on
the
phone.
I
have
a
sarah
l
and
a
diana
captioner
as
in
the
waiting
room
or
is
sarah
by
any
chance
with
the
administration
yeah
yeah
status
in
the
disabilities.
Commission.
Oh,
my
apologies.
Is
she
also
speaking
and
I
don't
have
her
full
name?
I
just
have
sarah
l
yeah
she's,
not
speaking
but
she's,
very
much
present,
fair
enough
and
then
also
diana.
B
I
No
captions
usually
has
an
extra
line
to
listen
in,
so
they
can
make
sure
they
can
type
the
session
so
we'll
just
let
her
stay
in
the
waiting
room
and
she'll
she'll
be
able
to
hear
from
there.
B
I
was
hoping
that
there
at
least
be
more
counselors
than
administration
on
this,
but
it
looks
like
it
looks
like
that's
not
going
to
happen
right
away,
but
I'm
just
so.
We
don't
delay
this
any
further.
Let's
go
ahead
and
get
started
pulling
up
my
opening
remarks.
Okay,
all
right!
So
we're
formally
going
to
start
the
hearing.
Good
afternoon
I
am
city
councilor
lydia
edwards,
chair
of
the
committee
on
government
operations.
B
It's
friday
september,
25th
2020
and
we're
here
today
for
a
virtual
hearing
on
docket
0909,
an
ordinance
amending
the
city
of
boston
code,
ordinances,
chapter
8-7,
public
improvement,
commission
mayor
walsh
sponsored
this
proposal
and
it
is
referred
to
the
committee
on
august
19th,
in
accordance
with
the
march
12
2020
or
2020
executive
order
modifying
certain
requirements
of
the
open.
B
Sorry,
can
you
hear
me
in
accordance
with
the
executive
order,
we
are
having
this
hearing
on
via
zoom
in
order
to
can
allow
for
the
city
council
to
do
its
job,
but
also
to
balance
public
safety.
B
You
may
the
public
may
watch
this
meeting
via
live
stream
at
wwe.
B
B
I'm
going
to
quickly
summarize
what
the
proposal
would
do.
This
proposal
amends
chapter
8,
section
8-7.1
of
the
city
of
boston
code.
Regarding
the
membership
of
the
public
improvement
commission,
the
proposal
would
expand.
The
membership
of
the
pic
is
what
I'm
going
to
say,
and
I
think
many
of
the
people
will
say
today
the
pic
to
include
the
commissioner
of
disabilities
commission.
B
B
The
proposal
would
add
a
feat
for
the
disabilities
commissioner,
as
a
voting
member
of
the
pick
or
the
pic
to
further
enhance
safety
and
accessibility
to
the
city,
streets
and
sidewalks
with
us.
Today
we
have
now
I'm
going
to
go
through
the
folks.
In
the
administration
we
have
chief
chris
osgood
chief
of
streets,
kristen
makash,
commissioner
of
the
disabilities
commission.
B
We
also
have
valencia.
B
Always
neil
doherty
from
intergovernment
relations
representing
the
the
mayor's
office
today
and
sorry
guys
get
behind.
I
want
to
make
sure
I
get
everyone's
titles.
Excuse
me.
B
We
also
have
para
daya
thing
engineer
for
pwd
for
the
public
works
department.
We
have
todd
lyman
interim
chief
engineer
for
the
pick.
We
also
have
chong
liu
who's,
an
attorney
for
the
public
works
department.
B
I
believe
we've
also
been
joined
by
sarah
from
the
from
the
disabilities
commission,
and
I
also
know
that
patricia
mendez
is
here
as
well
joining
us
also,
and
did
I
get
everyone
for
the
administration
thumbs
up?
B
So
what
I'm
gonna
do
now
is
just
quickly
to
my
colleagues,
I
think
for
a
matter
of
of
housekeeping,
because
this
is
the
administration's
move
to
change
the
ordinances
and
we
would
have
to
concor
concur
with
that.
D
D
I
know
the
tremendous
job
christian
mccosh
in
her
team
play
in
so
many
issues
and
that's
one
of
the
first
things
at
development
meetings
when
I'm
talking
to
a
development
team
or
talking
to
chris
osgood,
I
always
ask
have
you
talked
to
commissioner
mikash
because
she
has
excellent
skills
and
I'm
so
proud
of
the
work
that
she's
done.
Water
and
sewell
also
plays
a
critical
role
in
in
in
our
city
as
well.
So
I
just
want
to
say
thank
you
for
this
excellent
proposal.
D
Our
persons
with
disabilities
play
a
critical
role
in
our
city,
and
this
is
just
another
way
that
we
will
continue
to
treat
them
with
respect
and
dignity
in
making
sure
everything
is
actually
accessible
to
them
as
well.
Thank
you,
council,
edwards
and
again
I
apologize
for
speaking
out
of
out
of
turn.
H
Thank
you,
madam
chair,
same
same
as
council
flynn,
we've
seen
a
shooting
last
night
down
at
the
old
colony
development.
A
couple
with
my
former
colleague
in
the
district
attorney's
office.
Paul
mclaughlin
is
a
25th
memorial
mass
for
him
so
kind
of
multitasking
here,
but
I
just
want
to
go
on
record
of
supporting
this
ordinance.
This
ordinance,
as
you
know,
you
know,
proposes
to
expand
the
membership
of
the
public
improvement
commission.
The
disabilities
commission
already
works
closely
as
well
as
boston
warner
sewer.
H
They
already
work
very
closely
with
boston
transportation,
department,
the
public
works
department
and
various
other
entities
to
ensure
that
the
streets
and
sidewalks
are
accessible
to
residents
and
to
visitors
and
oftentimes.
Our
offices
get
pulled
into
things.
I
can
speak
council
fund
and
I
recently
an
issue
on
emerson
street
and
also
an
issue
down
on
oak
colony,
avenue,
with
respect
to
just
flagrant
violation
and
or
just
not
adhering
to
the
the
public
improvement
commission's
mandates
or
or
or
orders.
H
So
that
said,
given
how
rapidly
our
city
is
growing
in
and
there's
so
many
planning
initiatives
occurring
around
the
city,
you
know
read
with
interest
the
one.
Obviously,
in
your
district
this
morning,
and
so
many
others,
I
feel
that
the
disabilities,
commission
and
and
water
and
store
deserve
to
have
a
seat
at
the
table
and
obviously
to
have
that
relationship
codified
and
like
to
publicly
thank
the
great
work
that
commissioner
makash
does
someone.
H
I
know
very
well
and
grew
up
within
south
boston
and
also
henry
vitale
over
water
and
saw
who
I
find
to
be
one
of
the
the
more
attentive
and
super
responsive
public
servants
in
the
city.
So
all
that
said,
I
think
it's
a
great
initiative
in
those
two
codified
and
voting
seats
will
be
very
welcome.
The
public
improvement
commission
and
I
think,
we'll
go
a
long
way
in
addressing
some
of
the
issues
that
flare
up
as
we're
going
through.
H
So
many
development
projects,
it's
almost
as
though
we
kind
of
dry
off
the
ball,
so
they'll
be
they'll,
be
making
sure
that
we
stay
stay
focused
on
that.
So
thank
you,
madam
chair,
and
I
look
forward
to
hearing
some
of
the
testimony
for
at
the
runoff
to
this
meeting.
B
Thank
you
so
much,
and
I
appreciate
you
both
getting
in
some
words
and
support
before
you
have
to
go
and
support
your
community.
I
I
will,
I
guess,
counselor
sabe
george
or
council
braden.
B
All
right,
so,
let's
turn
it
over
to
the
the
to
the
city.
I
believe
the
lead
today
will
be
counselor
chief
osgood
and
commissioner
akash
you're
on
you,
chris.
E
You
would
think
by
now
that
I
would
be
able
to
figure
it
out.
Thank
you.
So
much
to
council,
edwards,
council
brandon
councillor
savvy
george
councillor
flynn,
council
flaherty
for
convening
this
hearing,
and
really
thank
you
to
each
of
you
for
your
sort
of
consistent
and
committed
focus
on
safety
and
accessibility
on
our
streets.
It
truly
does
come
up
in
every
single
conversation
with
each
one
of
you
and
appreciate
your
your
steadfast
focus
on
that.
E
The
public
improvement
commission
or
the
pic
is,
as
counselors
correctly
says,
the
way
in
which
we
sort
of
affectionately
refer
to
it.
It's
a
commission
within
the
public
works
department,
it
is
staffed
by
todd,
lamming
who's,
the
executive
secretary
with
the
support
of
chong
hu
from
the
the
law
department
and
rolling
up
to
our
city
engineer
aparia
singh
and
while
it
exists
within
the
public
works
department.
E
The
five
voting
members
include
the
public
works
department,
the
transportation
department,
inspectional
services
department,
the
property
management
department
and
boston
water
and
sewer
commission
staff
representatives
from
each
of
those
departments
hold
public
hearings
on
a
bi-weekly
schedule
to
review
proposals
that
look
through
an
engineering
lens
at
adjusting
the
city,
streets
and
sidewalks,
and
as
they
do,
this
sort
of
the
topics
that
come
up
include
things
like
the
location
and
the
dimension
of
streets
of
their
designs
of
their
names,
the
location
of
things
like
canopies
and
sidewalk
cafes,
as
well
as
use
of
space
below
the
streets
or
above
the
streets
for
utilities
and,
as
was
mentioned
by
council
edwards.
E
In
the
opening
comments,
there
are
five
departments
that
formally
sit
on
the
pic,
but
there
is
a
sixth
apartment
which
is
part
of
every
single
one
of
our
meetings
and
part
of
every
single
one
of
our
conversations,
and
that
sixth
department
is
the
disability
commission,
commissioner
mikash
patricia
mendez.
Sarah
leung
are
with
us
as
part
of
our
hearings
and
are
reviewing
all
of
our
proposals.
E
But
right
now,
unlike
the
other
five
departments,
who
are
the
regular
participants,
they
do
not
have
a
vote
and
this
ordinance
corrects
that
it
has
the
disabilities
commission
as
a
sixth
voting
member
to
the
pic
which
in
essence,
it
gives
equal
and
appropriate
weight
to
accessibility
of
our
streets
and
sidewalks
for
persons
with
disabilities
and
the
regulatory
knowledge
and
and
and
design
knowledge
that
commissioner
mukash
and
her
team
have.
So
I
really.
E
The
counselors
consideration
of
the
council's
consideration
of
this
ordinance
really
encourage
your
support
of
it,
look
forward
to
questions
on
it
and
happily
turn
it
over
to
commissioner
mukash.
You
can
speak
more
about
the
role
the
disabilities
commission
and
how
that
would
be
strengthened
through
a
voting
membership
of
the
pic.
C
In
fact,
my
appointment
followed
on
the
heels
of
a
group
of
advocates
filing
500
complaints
with
the
state
architectural
access
board
against
the
city's
lack
of
access
to
sidewalks
and
curb
cuts.
Their
great
advocacy
work
and
complaints
resulted
in
the
accessible
path
of
travel
that
was
created
on
boston
city
hall
plaza.
So,
following
my
appointment,
I
felt
it
was
critical
that
the
voices
of
persons
with
disabilities
be
a
part
of
the
conversations
of
streets
and
sidewalks.
C
I
immediately
met
para
jason
and
he
invited
me
to
attend
the
epic
meetings
on
a
regular
basis.
I
eventually
was
able
to
hire
architectural
access
staff
and
they
replaced
me
as
the
subject
manager
experts
in
the
pic
hearings.
So
many
people
don't
know
this,
but
my
role
with
the
city
is
actually
twofold.
C
Along
with
being
the
city's
disability,
commissioner,
I'm
also
the
ada
title
ii
coordinator,
which
is
a
federal
mandate
under
the
federal
americans
with
disabilities
act.
Any
municipality
that
has
over
50
employees
is
required
to
hire
an
ada
coordinator
as
a
regulatory
role
to
process
complaints
of
discrimination
against
persons
with
disabilities.
C
I
regularly
get
complaints
from
residents
about
lack
of
access
on
sidewalks,
and
the
importance
of
this
role
is
that
it's
on
a
local
level.
People
don't
have
to
file
a
federal
complaint
with
the
ada
which
can
take
decades
to
resolve,
but
on
the
local
level,
I'm
able
to
work
with
my
city
departments
to
ensure
that
the
building
codes
that
we
install
aren't
just
the
ceiling
but
they're
the
floor.
C
The
bare
minimum
requirements
that
we
would
approve
so
as
a
local
ada
title
ii
coordinator,
I'm
able
to
resolve
complaints
on
local
level
with
city
departments
and
also
with
the
state
architectural
access
board,
and
this
is
a
critical
regulatory
role
that
allows
the
city
to
remain
in
compliance
and
avoid
costly
lawsuits.
So
appointing
us
as
a
voting
member
would
take
this
one
step
further
and
would
also
follow
along
the
city's
lines
of
some
initiatives.
They
recently
instituted,
including
the
article
80
accessibility
checklist,
that
the
epda
approved
about
five
years
ago.
B
Very
well
so
I
we'll
go
through
if
counselors
flynn,
the
order
or
questions
would
be
counselor
flynn,
counselor
clarity,
counselor
braden,
counselor,
savvy
george
and
then
myself
so
flynn,
flaherty,
probably
told
us
that
oh
counselor
flynn
or
flaherty,
if
you're
available,
they
might
have
gone
to
the
meeting.
By
now.
H
You
got
one
I
just
mad,
I'm
sure
just
had
one
question
just
wanted
to
wanted
to
for
those
for
those
on
today.
Can
you
explain
so
who,
who
are
the
other
voting
members
of
the
board
and
and
also
just
briefly
this?
H
This
is
really
for
those
who
may
be
tuning
in
who
really
don't
understand
how
the
pic
works,
so
maybe
the
the
the
chief
can
just
give
sort
of
a
just
a
brief
synopsis
as
to
what's
the
process
by
which
a
proponent
is
required
to
go
to
the
pac,
and
I
say
that
only
because
this
because
of
the
parking
crunch,
in
particular
the
densely
populated
neighborhoods,
and
all
that
new
construction,
everybody
trying
to
put
cars
on
that
first
level
or
coming
to
the
city
for
curb
cuts,
because
they
have
some
front
yard
space
or
or
access,
maybe
to
to
an
adjoining
easement
for
for
a
driveway
next
to
their
home.
H
And
so
I
just
want
some
edification
for
those,
and
particularly
also
for
my
newer
colleagues
that
may
be
on
as
well
that
you
know
what's
the
process
by
which
you're
required
to
go
to
pic.
How
does
that
process
work
and
if
you
could
just
do
that
briefly
for
for
everyone's
edification,
I
think
that
would
be
very
helpful.
E
Sure
I'll
give
a
I'll
start
counsellor
and
then
chong
in
particular
feel
free
to
add
so.
First
on
your
question
of
who
the
voting
members
are
so
today,
the
designated
voting
members
are
the
commissioner
of
the
public
works
department,
the
commissioner
of
the
transportation
department,
the
commissioner
of
isd,
commissioner,
property
management
and
the
executive
director
of
the
boston,
water
and
sewer
commission
or
their
designees,
and
I
would
just
sort
of
underscore
the
or
their
designees,
because
in
in
most
cases
it
is
essentially
an
engineer
on
their
teams.
E
Who
is
the
actual
voting
member?
The
actual
representative
who
attends
the
pic
meetings
to
your
second
question
sort
of
what
what
is
on
and
what
is
what
is
overseen
by
the
pic
and
what
is
not.
I
think
the
parking
example
is
a
very
perfect
one,
so
things
like
regulatory
changes
to
to
the
curb
are
there
parking
meters
here?
Is
it
visitor
parking?
Is
residential
parking
things
like
that?
Those
are
determinations
solely
by
the
transportation
department.
E
The
pic
focuses
on
sort
of
physical
changes
to
the
street,
which
exactly
the
counselor's
point
would
include
things
like
if
a
new
development
is
coming
in
where
the
driveway
might
be
for
that
new
development,
but
not
how
many
parking
spaces
might
be
inside
that
building.
It
would
consider
what
does
that
new
curb
line
physically?
Look
like
how
wide
is
the
sidewalk?
E
How
are
the
tree
pits
faced
things
like
that,
but
it
wouldn't
consider
necessarily
the
rules
of
the
of
the
the
sidewalk
itself,
so
anybody
who's,
basically
making
a
permanent
change
to
the
public.
Right-Of-Way
comes
through
the
pic
process,
and
essentially
this
is
that
internal
review
process
led
through
the
public
works
department,
but
convening
all
these
different
groups
to.
E
G
G
C
Thank
you
kristen.
I
just
wanted
to
add
that
the
issues
that
would
affect
accessibility,
the
main
issues
that
my
team
looks
at
are
surface
materials
of
sidewalks.
A
lot
of
developments
want
to
put
in
all
brick
or
pavers,
so
we
advocate
for
a
five
foot,
wide
path
of
concrete,
have
to
travel
and
have
bricks
on
the
edges
of
the
sidewalks
and
then
also
width
and
slope.
C
We
know
that
the
engineers
look
at
these
things,
but
my
team
is
able
to
take
a
deep
dive
to
ensure
that
they
provide
ideal
access
for
people
with
not
only
physical
disabilities,
but
people
who
are
blind
people
who
have
other
types
of
gay
issues
and
balance
issues,
and
it's
really
critical
to
get
that.
Look
at
the
plans
before
they're
approve.
B
Just
want
to
let
you
all
know:
we've
also
been
joined
by
counselor
bo,
I'm
gonna
go
on
to
counselor
braid
and
I'm
assuming
counselor
flynn
might
be
in
the
middle
of
the
meeting.
So
counselor
braden.
K
Thank
you,
madam
chair
councillor.
Flaherty's
question
actually
helped
preempted
one
of
my
questions,
so
understanding
who's
on
there
and
the
role
as
a
physical
therapist
by
profession.
I
really
welcome
this
initiative
to
add
someone
from
the
disabilities
commission
on
to
this
pick.
I
recently
had
the
opportunity
to
go
out
to
washington
street
over
where
rene
breath
the
covenant,
houses
and
observe
traffic
situations
that
are
incredibly
hazardous
to
elders
and
folks
with
disabilities.
So
I
really
welcome
the
the
additional
insights
that
commissioner
makash
will
bring
to
this
conversation.
K
Although
she's
already
participating
it's
nice
to
give
her
a
vote
on
these
issues
and
just
a
question
for
commissioner
mccarthy,
what
is
the
print?
The
biggest
issue
that
you
see
that
you
have
to
deal
with
right
now
in
terms
of
the
public,
right-of-way
and
and
disability
access,
accessibility
from
the
disability
community.
C
We've
been
working
with
the
pic
for
so
long
that
we've
tackled
a
lot
of
the
major
issues.
We
have
a
policy
for
sidewalk
materials.
We
have
a
policy
for
sidewalk
cafes,
but
now
we
know
since
copenhagen,
even
before
quoted
cities
are
looking
at
different
uses
of
the
streets.
So
now
we
have
restaurants
in
this
in
the
streets
we
instituted
a
ramp
program
so
that
people
would
access
from
the
sidewalks
to
the
streets.
We
have
a
lot
of
bike
lanes
that
are
becoming
permanent
and
you
mentioned
intersections.
C
My
team
has
a
lot
of
expertise.
They
work
with
the
mass
commission
for
the
blind
to
navigate
the
intersection
into
sections
where
biplanes
cross
at
a
major
crossing.
I
know
they're
issues
like
I'm,
knowing
the
cast
on
really
busy
streets
and
we
look
at
all
the
master
plans
to
ensure
safe
crossings
for
people
who
are
blind
people
with
children,
people
with
strollers.
C
So
really,
I
would
say
our
biggest
work
right
now
is
with
the
changing
use
of
the
streets,
and
it's
just
so
critical
that
my
staff
has
the
really
specific
knowledge
of
people
with
disabilities
that
are
blind
people
with
mobility
challenges,
because
engineers
know
the
physical
requirements,
but
they
don't
always
know
the
needs
so
yeah.
We
merge
that
that
knowledge
and
way
you
know.
K
That's
good
to
know
the
one
issue
changing
use
of
the
streets.
We
have
so
many
more
people
using
bicycles
and
they
need
to
park
their
bicycles
when
they
go
into
the
business
districts
and
sometimes
they
are
not
parked
in
a
very,
very
safe.
So
one
issue
I
I
would
like
to
raise
up
is
you
know
the
the
need
for
some
parking
locations
for
bicycles
that
are
not
it's,
not
a
blue
bike.
K
It's
folks
who
own
their
own
bicycle
but
a
place
to
safely
secure
their
bicycle
and
have
it
safely
parked
so
that
someone
with
a
disability
or
someone
of
the
visual
impairment
isn't
isn't
impacted
by
that
bicycle.
C
Issues
actually
come
up
at
our
disability,
commission
advisory
board
and
my
staff
is
working
on
a
bike
outreach
plan
right
now
to
partner
with
bike
communities
colleges
to
ensure
that
bicyclists
know
the
rules
of
the
road
and
are
aware
of
people
with
different
disabilities,
because
that
could
affect
someone
who's
deaf.
If
they
can't
hear
somebody
coming
on
a
bicycle,
it
has
two
real
issues:
the
bicycle's
in
motion
and
the
bicycles
when
they're
cocked.
If
they're
parked
this
blocks
access,
that's
an
issue
but
also
behavior
of
bicyclists.
K
The
other
issue
that
comes
up
a
lot
out
in
this
district,
I'm
sure
it
comes
up
in
every
district-
is
the
inadequate
shuttling
of
a
crosswalks
in
wintertime
when
crosswalks
are,
are
the
either
side
of
the
crosswalk
at
the
curbside
is
it's
got
a
pile
of
snow
and
I
I
observed
a
gentleman
last
winter
trying
to
hit
a
walker
and
he
was
trying
to
climb
over
he
got
across
the
pedestrian
crossing,
but
he
couldn't
get
out
onto
onto
the
sidewalk
because
he
had
a
pilot
climb
over
a
pile
of
snow
and
ice.
K
So
that's
another
big
issue
that
I
want
to
flag
up
as
well,
but
anyway,
I
really
welcome
I'm
a
physical
therapist
by
profession.
So
I
really,
I
really
welcome
your
addition
to
and
as
a
fully
fledged
building
member.
If
this
is
what
we
decide
to
do,
I
think
it'll
be
a
great,
a
great
advantage
to
have
your
expertise,
counselor
edwards,
that's
all
I
have
for
now.
J
I
thank
you
ma'am
chair
and
thank
you
to
my
colleagues
for
asking
some
really
thoughtful
and
conversation
provoking
or
informative.
I
guess
questions
you
know,
because
I
continue
to
learn.
Although
I've
been
on
the
council
four
and
a
half
years,
we
don't
always
have
an
opportunity
to
sort
of
think
think
about
this
work.
So
I
appreciate
this
effort
and
certainly
support
this.
These
addition,
this
addition
to
to
the
commission,
I
am
curious,
are
we
missing
somebody
else?
J
E
I
think
it's
a
great
question.
I
think,
there's
a
reason
why
we're
focused
specifically
on
the
disabilities
commission
for
for
this
one
with
great
credit
to
todd,
there's
a
lot
of
outreach
that
happens
with
every
pic
submission,
but
for
the
actual
pic
meetings
and
the
actual
sort
of
like
deep
participation.
E
It
really
is
right
now
these
five
departments
plus
the
disabilities
commission
and
is-
and
it's
it's
sarah
patricia
who
are
with
us
in
every
single
one
of
our
in
our
meetings
and
and
just
and
being
able
to
allow
the
commissioner
to
have
a
a
a
vote
in
addition
to
a
voice,
as
part
of
the
process
seemed
like
the
right
next
step.
Given
the
all
the
engagement
which
is
which
they've
already
put
in
to
the
commissioner's
point
over
the
last
10
years,.
J
F
Thank
you,
madam
chair
and
I'll
just
say.
I
was
able
to
watch
the
hearing
from
city
council
tv
before
I
was
able
to
join
on
zoom,
so
I
have
been
following.
I
think
it's
a
great
idea
to
have
the
disability
commission
have
that
official
vote
along
with
the
voice.
F
I
think
I
just
have
one
sort
of
technical
rules:
question
which
is
you're
going
from
a
commission
with
a
five-member
body
to
a
six
which
of
course
creates
the
possibility
of
ties,
and
although
I
assume
that
the
way
that
you
guys
proceed
is
that
generally
you're
reaching
consensus
or
super
majority,
I
just
wonder
chief
osgood
whether
you
all
have
thought
at
all
about
decision
procedure
in
the
ch.
In
the
case
of
a
timeout.
E
Chong
will
likely
from
the
level
we
can
certainly
add
to
this.
I
think
there
are
two
things
one.
This
changes
quorum,
so
a
quorum
goes
from
three
members
to
four,
a
small
for
the
pic
to
your
point.
We,
these
are
largely
sort
of
engineering
and
regulatory
decisions,
and
a
lot
of
that
is
work
through
over
the
course
of
consultation
in
advance.
So
I
think
the.
E
On
any
on
any
issue
would
be
unlikely,
but
john,
I
don't
know
if
you
want
to
if
there's
other
things,
you'd
want
to
add.
A
Absolutely
thanks
for
this
opportunity-
and
I
would
like
to
to
mention
the
picc-
is
a
public
process
and
the
public
has
right
to
know
the
hearings.
We
conduct
the
business
in
hearings
and
it's
a
public
state
public
meeting
law
also
apply
is
six
members,
so
there's
no
time
there's
a
no
time
and
it
has
to
be
a
majority.
A
G
Chief,
if
I
may
add,
timings,
counselor
bach
I've
had
the
privilege
of
serving
or
participating
in
the
public
improvement
commission
for
now
23
years,
and
so
I
can
give
you
a
little
summary
of
how
the
votes
have
been
over
23
years.
There
have
been
maybe
a
handful
of
instances
where
there
was
a
what
I
call
a
non
non-unanimous
vote
and
in
those
five
or
six
instances
over
a
period
of
23
years.
It
was
just
one
vote
that
was
opposing
and
that
may
have
been
done
for
reasons
which
I
don't
know.
G
But
you
ask
a
very
technical,
logical
question
as
to
how
do
we
have
a
spit
boat?
You
know
like
a
three
versus
three
there's
great
care
that
is
taken
by
the
commission
members
staff
to
ensure
that
there
is
a
common
understanding
as
to
what
needs
to
be
done
once
in
a
while.
Maybe
once
every
five
ten
years,
there's
a
super
controversial
issue
that
comes
up,
but
so
far
we
have
managed
to
overcome
all
of
those
so
mathematically.
G
Yes,
it
could
be
an
awkward
situation,
but
the
great
leadership
that
is
given
forth
by
the
commission
members,
the
pic
staff
myself
included.
We
try
and
manage
things
so
that
the
situation
doesn't
try
to
manage
us.
F
Thank
you
para.
It
sounds
more
like
we've
had
the
privilege
of
having
you
serve
on
the
pspic
for
23
years,
but
I
appreciate
that
context
and
also
appreciate
john's
answer.
It
sounds
like
from
a
decision
procedure
perspective.
A
3-3
vote
would
be
a
non-decision
by
the
pic
so
yeah,
that's
good
to
know
I
in
response
to
counselor
asabi
george's
comment.
F
I
would
be
remiss
as
a
historian
not
to
say
that
I
can
think
of
a
another
entity
that
could
be
in
the
mix
for
the
conversation
about
the
public
realm
in
our
in
our
city,
and
it
would
be
a
sort
of
landmark's
historical
preservation
angle,
but
that's
just
a
thought
for
another
day,
and
I
did
want
to
ask
commissioner
mikash
and
again.
F
This
is
just
taking
advantage
of
you
all
being
here,
but
you
know,
I
think
one
of
the
things
that's
come
up
with
outdoor
dining
right
is
the
issue
of
curbs
and
the
fact-
and
obviously
you
know
the
city's
done
a
lot
to
try
to
provide
ramps
to
people
and
makes
those
that
street
dining
accessible.
F
But
I
know
in
my
the
neighborhood
of
beacon
hill
that
I
represent
the
place
on
joy
street,
where
we
did
a
project
a
while
back
that
gave
a
kind
of
shared
street
context
where
the
sidewalk
is
flush
with
the
where
the
street
is
very
popular
and
it's
popular
also
in
a
context
in
which
people
walk
on
the
street.
Quite
a
lot.
F
I
just
I
wonder
if,
as
we
think
about
using
our
curb
space,
more
expansively
in
the
future,
whether
the
pic
and
the
city
is
thinking
at
all
about
where
the
opportunities
are
not
just
in
terms
of
sidewalk
materiality
but
to
actually
bring
sidewalks
to
grade
with
streets
in
places
where,
where
the
sort
of
you
know
use
and
circumstances
would
make
that
appropriate.
C
Yes,
I
know
that
the
public
department
does
work
on
shared
streets
and
we've
collaborated
with
them.
I
know
there's
one
on
union
street
now
that
was
the
most
recent
one
and
we
always
get
input
on
that
and
they
always
like
seek
our
input.
But
I
don't
know
if
the
public
works
staff
wants
to
talk
more
about
that.
G
I
would
know
whether
go
ahead
bar
started,
cheap
you
first,
import,
counselor,
shiat
straight
is
something
which
we
are
always
striving
to,
so
that
the
conflicts
between
pedestrians
and
vehicles
are
balanced,
that
curb
line.
You
know
why.
The
reason
why
we
have
a
curb
is
to
actually
channel
water.
You
know
if
it
manifests,
you
need
that
little
lips
or
that
water.
Sometimes,
I
think
in
all
of
the
united
states.
We
have
a
six
inches
of
curb
age.
G
The
height
of
that
headstone
union
street
is
one
of
those
streets
which
we
struggled
and
we
didn't
get
all
what
we
want.
We
still
have
a
curb
on
one
side,
but
on
the
other
side,
it
is
more
for,
like
a
shared
space,
there
are
more
streets
in
the
downtown
area
where
we
want
to
balance
the
use,
and
these,
interestingly
or
sadly,
are
not
new
concepts.
These
are
widely
available
throughout
the
planet.
B
Thank
you.
I
just
had
some
quick
follow-up
questions,
so
this
is
for
to
provide
a
vote
for
the
boston,
water
and
sewer
and.
E
So
a
great
question
and
definitely
para
tad:
chong,
quick,
the
boston
waters
proponents
a
little
bit
of
a
cleanup
issue,
so
the
pic
was
established.
I
think
in
1954.
E
john
can
correct
me
if
I'm
wrong
that
at
the
time
water
and
sewer
was
essentially
part
of
the
public
works
department,
water
and
sewer
was
then
split
out
and
has
retained
a
voting
seat
on
the
board,
but
the
water
and
sewer
components
amendments
basically
to
clean
up
and
clarify
that
they've
always
had
a
a
voting
sort
of
role
in
the
board
or
ever
since
they've
been
separated
out.
So
the
real
in
addition
to
that
sort
of
cleanup
of
the
language,
the
real
regulatory
change
here
is
adding
that
sixth
vote
of
disability.
A
It's
it's.
I
totally
agree.
I
totally
agree.
I
just
you
know
you
can
be
attorney
chief,
you
know,
so
I
don't
have
any
much
more
comments.
Thank
you.
B
Thank
you.
So
it's
more
of
a
cleanup
and
clarification
than
changing
any
structural,
the
structural
changes
christine
akash
or
the
disability
commissioner
vote
permanent
right.
Okay,
the
other
question
I
mean
in
terms
of
other
states
and
perspectives,
was
there
thoughts
about
involving
vision,
zero
or
some
biking
organizations
as
well.
I
mean
we
have
had
three.
Maybe
four
bikes
people
have
died
on
public
ways,
so
have
we
thought
about
including
them.
E
Sure
so
the
sort
of
representation
there,
the
representation
on
the
commission
in
general,
is
essentially
department.
Staff
is
a
cross-departmental
coordinating
entity
within
public
works
that
perspective
is
sort
of
really
insured
through
both
the
representation
of
the
transportation
department
and
the
representation
of
the
public
works
department,
for
whom,
obviously,
to
your
point
vision,
zero
is
a
is
a
core
priority
of
the
work
that
we
do.
B
Okay
and
then
just
to
clarify,
when
you
say
this,
this
commission
kicks
in
when
there's
ever
a
chain,
not
in
the
u,
but
in
either
the
distance
or
the
height
or
the
area
of
public
rights
of
way.
So
just
just
a
couple
scenarios
I
want
to
make
sure
I'm
clear
about
you:
have
the
bennington
street
in
east
boston
is
a
public
street.
B
B
Okay
and
then
the
other
one
is
so.
We've
talked
about
this
chris
about
over
in
east
boston,
on
eagle,
twitter.
B
I,
as
an
owner,
would
like
my
like
to
give
or
to
sell
my
property
to
the
city
for
the
city
to
change
rights
of
ways,
and
things
like
that
that
also
triggers
pic
or
was
that,
just
because
we
invited
you
there.
E
If
the
land,
if
the
land
is
either
becoming
a
street
or
was
a
street
and
it
was
no
longer
a
streets
if
it
was
like
part
of
what
was
considered
a
public
credit,
but
then
the
pic
would
be,
it
would
be
the
party
that
would
do
it.
That
would
either
sort
of
add
that
to
the
right-of-way
or
discontinue
that
as
part
of
the
right-of-way,
that
para.
G
G
If
the
property
in
question,
it
can
end
up
in
two
places:
one
just
surplus
city,
property
or
part
of
the
city
roadway
if
it
is
going
to
be
part
of
the
city
roadway
or
this
thing,
which
we
call
the
right
of
way.
If
it
is
to
be
that,
then
the
public
improvement
commission
gets
involved.
If
they
just
city
of
boston,
own
property,
then
the
cities
either
the
dnd
or
pfp
one
of
those
or
it's
just
like
several
surplus
property,
but
most
times
council.
G
B
Okay
and
then
finally,
talk
talk
to
me
about
pdas
planning
development
areas
where,
as
I
understand,
the
zoning
is
set
for
them
right
and
the
zoning
and
what's
going
to
happen
on
them,
is
set.
You
know
upon
passage
like
we
just
did
with
suffolk
down.
So
now
we
passed
the
zoning
on
that.
Okay,
fine
and
that's
a
like
one
scenario:
it's
totally
private
and
what's.
B
We
got
them
to
deed
a
lot
of
their
their
property
public
rights
over
to
the
city
of
boston.
So
that's
a
good
thing,
but
assume
it
didn't
assume
it's
still
private.
Now
the
zoning
already
has
been
set.
Parking
ratios
have
been
set,
they
you
know,
I
know,
parks
and-
and
you
guys
went
all
the
way
through
this
or
excuse
me.
Parks
went
through
I'm
sorry
parks,
btd,
several
agencies
analyzed
the
pda,
fine
bpda
votes
for
this.
Where
was
pick
and
where
was
like?
How
do
we
know?
Kristin's
has
a
voice
in
that.
E
So
the
that's
a
great
question,
so
the
the
pic
and
it
gets
a
little
bit
too.
I
think
counselor
box
question
as
well.
They're
we're
not
sort
of
like
this
is
a
body
that
isn't
sort
of
originating
ideas.
It
is.
E
It
is
reviewing
proposals
that
come
in
so
the
point
when
suffolk
downs,
for
example,
the
roadway
network
there
would
come
before
the
pic
is
when
there's
sort
of
a
specific
street
layout
that
needs
to
get
approved
a
street
design
and
the
communities
get
approved
or
a
modification
to
that
or
utility
company
looking
to
do
something
different
above
or
below
that
public
right-of-way.
It's
not
it's
not
sort
of
early
in
the
planning
process.
It's
more
of
a
review
once
the
actual
physical
to
like
confirm
or
amend,
like
the
actual
physical
plan.
B
Okay,
so
I
just
I
guess
I
want
to
make
sure,
because
I
know
I-
I
really
also
value
the
disability
commissioner,
having
a
voice
and
having
a
vote
on
this
and
making
sure
that
it's
gone
through
that
lens
as
well.
So
again,
I
guess
because
the
the
public
realm
goes
above
the
streets
as
well.
You
would
have
jurisdiction,
even
if
it
was
privately
owned.
You
would
probably
argue
this
is
still
in
boston,
right,
prada.
The
jurisdiction
goes
above
that,
so
it
doesn't
really
it's
not
that
the
private
ownership
negates
you
guys.
G
Counseling
the
best
way
for
me
to
answer
the
best
way.
As
the
chief
said,
it
is
not
appropriate
for
the
public
improvement
commission
to
get
involved
in
the
planning
side
of
the
equation
right
because
we
are
supposed
to
be
an
independent
party.
Now,
when
private
developers
want
to
establish
roadways
within
their
new
property.
The
towns
is
a
great
example,
so
these
individuals,
they
don't
design
these
roads
blindly,
meaning
they
they
understand
what
public
works.
Design
standards
are
nevertheless
counselor
every
once
in
a
while.
G
These
very
smart
people,
they
propose
plans
for
new
public
streets
or
changes
to
the
public
streets
that
are
counter
to
common
sense,
and
that
is
when
we
engage
over
the
last
ten
years
or
even
longer.
We
engage
the
commissioners
commissioned
them
across
a
state
to
correct
those,
so
the
public
improvement
commission
another
way
I
like
to
say
who
they
are.
Even
though
we
have
a
very
formal
title,
saying
the
regulator
of
the
public
or
the
regulator,
the
guardian
of
that
public
space.
G
B
C
Thank
you,
cara,
council
edwards.
I
would
say
first
of
all
that
my
staff
patricia
and
sarah
patricia
is
a
registered
architect
and
sarah
has
a
degree
in
architecture,
so
they
know
their
subject
matter.
Experts
and
they've
learned
so
much
about
accessibility,
patricia
serves
on
the
state
architectural
access
board
as
a
voting
member.
So
we
really
have
that
expertise
and
they
are
involved
very
early
on
in
all
the
developments
they
attend.
The
scoping
sessions.
C
Everything
from
concept
to
ideas
and
things
that
aren't
yet
built,
so
they
are
involved
in
the
process
very
early.
In
fact,
we
were
just
talking
this
week
about
suffolk
downs
and
the
street
layout,
so
my
staff
does
get
input
on
those
projects
and,
as
far
as
being
a
voting
member
on
the
psc,
I
really
think
just
like
to
emphasize
what
power
said
being
a
voting.
C
Member
just
gives
us
that
credibility
that
we
know
that
most
developers
are
on
our
team
and
they
want
to
do
the
right
thing,
but
we
had
issues
like
with
the
seaport.
I
remember
when
I
first
came
on.
Some
of
those
streets
are
private
and
and
like
parasites,
sometimes
very
wealthy,
very
knowledgeable
people
can
skirt
around
things
that
we
don't
want
to
be
in
boston.
So
we
want
to
make
sure
that
we
are
on
top
of
that.
As
a
voting
member,
we
can
actually
just
say
no.
B
Okay,
well,
those
are
all
of
my
questions.
I
I
will
turn
it
over
to
I
mean
back
to
anybody
on
the
city,
council,
my
city,
council,
colleagues,
those
who
are
left
if
you
have
any
additional
questions,
if
you
can
raise
your
hand,
if
not
unless
you
chris
or
curse
kristen,
have
any
conclude.
Okay,
then
I
think
at
this
point
we've
kind
of
covered
the
issue
and
I
think
we
all
see
the
value
in
having
a
permanent
seat
with
a
perspective
from
the
commission
as
necessary.
B
So
thank
you
so
much
for
all
attending
today's
hearing.
With
that
I'm
going
to
close
out
the
hearing.
I
don't
have
a
gavel,
so
I
always
clap
job
well
done
bye.
Thank
you.
All.