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From YouTube: Committee on Government Operations on September 8, 2020
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Docket #0885 - A hearing regarding an ordinance establishing a Civilian Review Board in the City of Boston
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A
I
want
to
go
ahead
and
get
get
started,
so
I'm
going
to
go
ahead
and
do
some
introductory
remarks
introduce
my
colleague.
We
have
a
letter
from
the
administration
and
then
we'll
get
right
to
our
panelists
so
good
morning.
Everyone,
I
am
city
council,
lydia,
edwards,
chair
of
the
committee
on
government
operations,
tuesday
september
8
2020,
and
we
are
here
today
for
a
virtual
hearing
on
docket
0885
ordinance,
establishing
a
civil
civilian
review
board
within
the
city
of
boston.
A
The
matter
was
sponsored
by
councillors,
andrea
campbell
ricardo
arroyo
and
julia
mejia,
and
was
referred
to
the
committee
on
july
29
2020..
In
accordance
with
governor's
fake
governor
baker's
march
2012
2020
executive
order
modifying
certain
requirements
for
the
open
meeting
law.
We
are
able
to
have
this
meeting
on
zoom.
A
A
This
docket
would
establish
a
civilian
review
board
for
the
city
of
boston
and
that
would
investigate
complaints
of
police
misconduct
and
internal
affairs
investigations
and
recommend
disciplinary
actions
for
police
officers,
bpd
policies,
procedures
and
practices.
Excuse
me:
the
ordinance
lays
out
a
board
structure,
member
appointment,
the
establishment
of
a
budgeted
office
for
staff,
support
required,
trainings
powers
and
duties,
processes
and
procedures
for
review
of
complaints
and
investigations
and
public
access
and
reporting
requirements.
A
A
A
The
administration
has
written
a
letter
to
the
committee
that
I
will
now
read
dear
chairwoman
edwards.
Thank
you
for
the
invitation
to
testify
today's
hearing
on
docket0885,
following
the
murder
of
george
floyd
in
minneapolis
and
subsequent
demonstrations
in
boston
and
throughout
the
nation.
Mary
walsh
created
a
new
task
force
to
review
policies
and
protocols
in
the
boston
police
department.
This
task
force
is
made
up
of
an
independent
group
of
community
members
and
chaired
by
former
u.s
attorney
of
the
district
of
massachusetts,
plain
bud.
A
The
task
force
is
charged
with
reviewing
and
making
recommendations
to
strengthen
boston's
existing
police
review
board,
known
as
the
community
ombudsman
oversight
panel
or
co-op
board.
While
the
task
force
continues
to
meet
with
community
members
and
other
stakeholders,
it
is
developing
recommendations
to
strengthen
the
co-op
board,
in
addition
to
other
important
topics
in
police
reform.
These
recommendations
will
guide
us
as
we
continue
to
make
changes
throughout
the
police
department.
A
The
ordinance
being
discussed
today
requires
significant
discussion
and
analysis.
Members
of
the
administration
will
be
watching
the
hearing
and
listening
to
counselors
and
other
stakeholders
thoughts
on
the
proposed
legislation.
The
city's
law
department
is
reviewing
the
proposed
ordinance
and
will
be,
and
we
will
be
working
to
fill
any
information
requests
that
come
out
of
the
hearing.
A
We
look
forward
to
learning
more
about
the
proposal
and
working
collaboratively
collaboratively
to
address
these
important
issues.
Thank
you
again
for
the
invitation
to
testify.
We
look
forward
to
reviewing
the
hearing
neil
doherty
from
inter-government
relations.
Neil
is
here
taking
notes
and
again
we'll
be
following
up
on
any
questions
that
we
specifically
have
thank
you
and
with
that,
I'm
going
to
turn
it
over
because
of
our
time
crunch
for
very,
very
brief
opening
remarks
from
the
co-sponsors
and
then
I
would
would
like
to
get
to
the.
A
I
Thank
you,
madam
chair,
and
thank
you
to
my
colleague,
council
colleagues,
of
course,
and
thank
you
to
all
of
the
panelists
for
taking
time
out
of
your
busy
schedules
to
be
here
today.
This
ordinance
is
to
establish
a
civilian
review
board
in
the
city
of
boston,
a
body
independent
from
the
boston
police
department
to
review
and
investigate
complaints
of
police
misconduct
and
internal
affairs
investigations,
recommend
disciplinary
actions
and
applicable
changes
to
departments,
policies,
procedures
and
practices
and
regularly
publish
data
on
these
cases,
as
well
as
police
stops,
arrest
and
department.
Demographics.
I
All
with
the
goal
to
provide
true
accountability,
to
increase
transparency
and
to
shift
policies,
practices
and
culture.
So
we
don't
continue
to
create
or
perpetuate
racial
disparities
in
our
policing
system.
There
are
many
misconceptions
out
there
regarding
the
role
of
the
mayor's
task
force,
suggesting
at
moments
that
this
body
is
not
looking
to
work
in
partnership.
I
The
council,
including
my
predecessor,
councilor
yancy,
along
with
residents
and
advocates,
have
for
decades
been
leading
the
conversation
on
creating
a
civilian
review
board
and
for
numerous
reasons,
including
opposition
from
administrations,
unions
and
some
council.
Colleagues.
That
has
not
happened
over
the
last
few
years,
I've
filed
three
hearing
orders
and
have
had
several
conferences
conversations
internally
about
the
importance
of
establishing
this
board,
all
of
which
were
either
ignored
by
the
administration
or
dismissed
as
a
topic
not
worth
discussing.
I
I
I
I
support
that,
while
also
creating
an
effective
apparatus
which
we
currently
do
not
have,
that
creates
accountability
in
instances
of
wrongdoing
and
allows
folks
to
come
forward
and
file
a
complaint.
This
is
an
initial
draft
and
I
have
already
received
constructive
feedback
from
our
unions,
all
of
them,
including
our
policing
associations.
Our
district
attorney
advocates
members
of
the
public
that
will
lead
to
edits,
and
I
appreciate
the
continued
feedback
that
comes
in.
I
This
is
indeed
a
moment
in
time
with
a
new
council,
a
movement
of
residents,
demanding
reforms
and
advocates
also
weighing
in,
and
thus
the
council
of
course
will
continue
to
lead
and
I
feel
very
proud
to
be
partnering
with
councillors
arroyo
and
mejia
to
finally
get
this
done.
Thank
you
again,
madam
chair.
Thank
you
to
my
colleagues
and
again
thank
you
to
all
of
the
panelists
for
showing
up
today.
A
I
G
G
C
G
So
I
don't
plan
on
spending
any
of
our
time,
questioning
on
whether
or
not
we
need
this.
The
fact
of
the
matter
is
that
we
know
what
we
know.
The
question
is:
what
are
we
going
to
be
doing?
What
are
we
going
to
do
about
it?
What
I
am
going
to
focus
on
is
to
focus
on
the
process,
because
unless
we
get
this
right
and
we
lead
with
the
people,
this
is
just
going
to
be
another
layer
of
government
that
our
people
will
either
fight
to
get
attention
from
or
just
flat
out
ignore.
G
I
will
say
that,
while
these,
while
this
hearing
is
important,
we
need
to
be
more
intentional
about
getting
out
into
our
community
and
consulting
with
them
and
letting
them
lead
our
job
as
leaders
is
to
respond
to
the
cause
of
or
action
from
our
people,
and
we
know-
and
we
need
to
put
ourselves
in
the
position
of
where
they
have
the
power
to
lead
on
this
issue.
Government
trust
is
government
is
at
an
all-time
low,
particularly
around
trust
and
sometimes
for
good
reason.
G
C
G
I
think
it's
really
disheartening
that
here
I
mean
I'm
a
first-term
counselor,
but
these
I'm
not
new
to
this
conversation
and
the
fact
that
we've
been
having
this
and
pushing
for
this
for
as
long
as
I
can
remember
and
hearing
activists
out
in
these
streets
pushing
for
this,
the
fact
that
it
took
you
know,
george
floyd
and
the
civil
unrest
kind
of
like
say:
oh
yeah,
we're
gonna
do
something
about
it.
Now,
where
were
you
before?
G
You
know
it's
like
janet
jackson.
What
have
you
done
for
me
lately
at
the
end
of
the
day,
the
bottom
line
is,
we
can't
continue
to
be
all
about
reactive
politics.
We
need
to
be
proactive
and
these
times
require
us
to
think
before
situations
go
down,
and
so
I
am
looking
forward
to
being
engaged
in
this
dialogue
and,
more
importantly,
holding
myself
accountable
to
those
who
put
me
in
office.
So
here
we
go.
Thank
you
for
having
me
and
looking
forward
to.
C
A
F
You
know
the
tools
that
it
needs
to
be
to
be
effective.
If
folks
think
that
it's
ineffective,
I
know
that
complaints
are
down
and
they've
been
going
down.
Arguably
probably
since
the
body
cameras
have
been
installed,
but
I
also
know
that
the
panel
has
asked
to
do
more
into
maybe
increase
the
percentages
of
of
cases
they
handle.
So
I
would
really
love
to
hear.
F
E
Good
morning,
thank
you,
I'm
going
to
keep
my
my
comments
very
brief.
I
look
forward
to
learning
more
about
how
we
can
improve
the
process.
I
know
that,
from
speaking
to
a
predecessor
of
mine,
that
this
ordinance
to
establish
a
civilian
review
board
for
the
police
department
has
been
something
we've
been
looking
for
for
a
very,
very,
very
long
time.
So
I
look
forward
to
hearing
the
conversation
this
morning
and
thank
you
for
sharing
this
meeting
and
thank
you
to
the
makers
for
bringing
this
issue
forward.
J
Counselor
bach,
thank
you,
madam
chair,
just
want
to
thank
the
makers.
Sam
strongly,
supportive
of
civilian
review
board.
I've
done
a
bunch
of
research
on
the
history
going
back
a
century.
Sadly,
that
we've
been
having
this
fight,
and
I
will
forego
the
rest
of
my
comments
in
the
interest
of
the
afternoon.
Hearing
that
I'm
sharing.
Thank
you.
K
K
N
Counselor
sabi
george,
thank
you,
madam
chair,
and
thank
you
to
the
makers
and
our
guests
who
are
with
us
this
morning
in
the
for
the
needs
of
time,
I'm
just
going
to
ditto
and
echo
what
my
colleagues
have
said
and
look
forward
to
this
hearing
and
participating
in
the
dialogue
this
morning
and
going
forward.
Thank
you,
madam
chair.
A
M
D
Wu,
thank
you
very
much,
madam
chair
and
and
to
the
sponsors
and
and
everyone
for
being
part
of
this.
I
I
just
wanted
to
echo
a
lot
of
what
has
been
said
in
noting
that
you
know.
Now
is
a
time
where
we
need
to
stop
saying
that
boston
is
exceptional
or
different
or
separate
from
conversations
that
are
happening
across
the
country.
D
In
particular,
I
think
the
importance
is
to
note
we're
not
just
talking
about
the
direct
accountability
that
comes
from
having
people
who
are
independent
and
with
the
power
to
review
cases
and
allegations,
but
even
the
act
of
having
a
structure
that
people
know.
Is
there
that
lifts
up
the
the
channel
for
folks
to
to
be
able
to
reach
out
and
to
be
able
to
address
incidents
of
misconduct
that,
in
and
of
itself
builds
trust
in
a
way
that's
really
important
and
and
foundational
for
public
safety
and
public
health
in
general?
D
So
the
last
thing
I
want
to
note
is
that
you
know
we've
been
having
this
conversation
in
boston
for
a
long
time
and
so
shout
out
to
many
many
activists
who
have
been
pushing
for
this
and
and
whose
efforts
frankly
have
led
to
the
creation
of
the
co-op
board.
There
are
many
different
potential
structures
for
civilian
review
board
across
the
country.
D
O
A
O
Well
briefly,
comments!
I'm
just
I'm
just
here
to
listen
and
see
how
we
make
the
city
better.
I
do
think
that
the
the
boston
police
in
and
more
than
just
the
boston
police
do
good
work.
I
think
there's
a
lot
of
people
in
boston
that
do
good
work
and
you
know,
but
looking
looking
to
participate
and
lend
a
hand
where
I
can.
Thank
you.
A
A
I
A
Very
well
all
right,
then
I
understand
there's
a
15
minute
presentation
and
so
I'm
gonna
have
each
one
of
so
the
presentation
will
go.
Then
brian,
you
will
speak
your
remarks,
then
larry
mays
and
if
representative
holmes
joins
us,
they
will
all
speak
and
then
we
will
see
how
we're
doing
on
time
for
questions
so
turn
it
over
to
yo,
haida,
alvarez
and
jonathan
darsh.
P
I
also
want
to
say
it's
an
honor
to
be
on
a
panel
with
brian
core,
as
a
leader
of
the
national
association
for
the
civilian
oversight
of
law
enforcement.
Brian
has
taught
me
a
great
deal
personally,
but
also
been
a
resource
to
the
ccrb
and
the
city
of
new
york
generally
for
context.
I
think
it
would
be
helpful
for
me
to
provide
some
background
about
the
ccrb.
P
P
P
P
P
Another
important
facet
of
our
board
is
the
administration,
the
administrative
prosecution
unit,
which,
in
the
most
serious
cases
of
misconduct,
brings
cases
against
members
of
the
nypd
in
administrative
hearings
in
administrative
disciplinary
hearings.
The
unit
is
made
up
of
about
a
dozen
attorneys
and
has
prosecuted
more
than
600
officers.
Since
its
inception
in
2013.,
most
notably
officer
daniel
pantaleo,
who
was
found
guilty
of
using
a
fatal
chokehold
on
eric
garner,
was
fired
from
the
nypd
last
year
after
the
apu
prosecutors
argued
for
his
termination.
P
This
group
of
young,
new
yorkers,
representing
all
five
boroughs
of
the
city,
has
proven
to
be
a
source
of
incredible
insight
about
issues
affecting
youth.
Our
most
recent
issue
based
report,
a
report
our
policy
team,
published
on
the
relationship
between
the
nypd
and
youth
paints,
a
picture
of
just
how
much
work
there
is
to
do
on
that
front
in
new
york.
P
J
J
C
J
So,
as
john
mentioned,
we
are
the
nation's
largest
independent
oversight,
entity
of
the
largest
police
force.
We
are
mandated
to
investigate,
mediate
and
administratively
prosecute.
Complaints
of
misconduct
against
members
of
the
nypd
john
mentioned
the
composition
of
the
board.
When
talking
about
it.
J
This
has
recently
changed
due
to
a
charter
change
that
was
passed
overwhelmingly
back
in
november,
so
our
board
increased
from
13
members
to
15,
and
it
is
the
current
composition
that
john
mentioned
five
by
the
mayor,
five
by
city
council,
three
by
the
police,
commissioner,
one
by
the
public
advocate
in
our
in
new
york
city.
The
public
advocate
is
an
elected
position
and
represents
the
people's
best
interest,
and
the
chair
is
generally
appointed,
as
john
mentioned
by
the
mayor
and
the
city
council.
J
Here
are
some
of
the
laws,
the
city
charter,
a
memorandum
of
understanding
and
rules
that
really
govern
the
body
I'll
be
happy
to
share
that
with
the
counselors.
If
you
have
additional
information,
so
local
city
charter,
we
have
the
rules
posted
on
our
website,
we
have
local,
we
have
state
city,
service
law,
section
75
and
that
discusses
their
structural
limitations
and
outlines
our
disciplinary
process.
J
The
memorandum
of
understanding
is
what
has
what
governs
our
administrative
prosecution
unit
and
when
investigators
look
at
these
allegations
of
misconduct,
they
are
usually
using
the
fourth
amendment
law
and
the
new
york
city
patrol
guide,
which
is
a
a
text
that
outlines
the
duties
of
the
police
of
the
police,
officer's
job
and
role,
taking
a
step
back
a
little
bit
of
the
composition
of
the
agency
itself.
As
john
mentioned,
the
agency
is
composed
of
200
civilians.
J
So
there
are
no
uniformed
officers
and
no
officers
are
members
of
service
on
staff,
so
we're
governed
by
that
15-member
board.
One
of
those
members
is
the
chair
executive
director
oversees
the
general
over
day
day-to-day
procedures,
et
cetera,
some
of
the
major
departments.
The
investigation
of
the
investigations
unit
is
obviously
our
largest
and
it's
composed
of
over
a
hundred
civilian
investigators.
They
range
from
rank
of
level
one
level
two
to
level
three.
We
have
supervising
investigators.
J
We
have
managers
on
different
squads
that
oversee
all
of
the
complaints
that
we
receive.
We
have
the
apu
unit.
We
also
have
a
director
of
mediation,
which
I'll
talk
about
in
just
a
minute
and
also
departments
that
oversee
our
hr
department,
our
I.t
department,
et
cetera.
We
have
a
general
counsel's
office
and
we
have
external
affairs
which
include
my
department,
the
department
of
outreach
and
intergovernmental
affairs.
We
have
a
communications
department
and
we
also
have
a
policy
and
advocacy
department
as
well.
J
J
It's
any
allegation
alleging
force
so
that
can
include
a
punch,
a
kick
a
use
of
a
taser,
even
a
police
officer,
pulling
out
a
weapon
and
pointing
it
at
me
would
be
something
that
we
would
investigate
and
we
would
investigate
if
that
force
was
excessive
or
unnecessary,
given
the
totality
of
the
circumstances
again
we're
using
that
patrol
guide
to
to
govern
that
to
determine
that
with
abusive
authority.
That's
by
far
our
largest
category.
J
With
discourtesy,
we
investigate
allegations
of
a
police
officer
using
profanity,
inappropriately
or
using
an
inappropriate
gesture.
For
example,
if
I
ask
a
police
officer
for
their
name
and
badge
number
for
their
for
sorry,
a
police
officer
asked
me
for
my
identification.
I
give
it
to
her
upon
returning
that
id.
She
just
throws
it
on
the
ground,
that's
something
that
we
would
investigate
and
last
but
not
least,
offensive
language.
So
this
is
language
that
inappropriately
refers
to
my
race,
my
ethnicity,
my
sexual
orientation,
my
religion,
my
disability
status,.
J
We
have
multiple
ways
of
the
public
to
file
a
complaint.
They
can
file
a
complaint
by
dialing
311,
which
is
a
general
number
for
general
concerns,
and
we've
reached
out
to
3-1-1
to
make
sure
that
they're
screening
those
calls
to
make
sure
that
the
appropriate
complaints
alleging
police
misconduct
are
directed
to
us.
We
also
have
a
direct
line
that
operates
monday
through
friday,
where
we
have
intake
specialists
who
screen
those
calls
to
determine
if
it
falls
under
our
jurisdiction,
which
I'll
talk
about
in
a
moment.
J
Folks
can
visit
our
office
even
in
the
midst
of
kobit.
We've
taken
a
lot
of
precautions
to
ensure
the
safety
of
the
public
and
staff,
but
I
also
encourage
folks
if
they
are
able
to
go
online
and
file
the
complaint
on
our
website.
They
can
also
file
a
complaint
at
their
local
precinct
and
with
for
our
equivalent
of
counselors,
our
council
members
we've
teamed
with
five
council
members
in
each
borough
so
before
covid,
what
we
would
do
is
host
these
ccrb
hours.
J
J
So,
as
you
know,
new
york
city
is
composed
of
five
boroughs,
so
with
the
five
council
members
that
we
partnered
with
one
is
stationed
in
each
borough
really
helping
in
that
process
and
due
to
recent
litigation,
we
are
now
able
to
receive
complaints
if,
if
a
witness,
if
someone
has
witnessed
misconduct
via
social
media
and
that
could
be
via
twitter,
youtube,
etc,
we
will
be.
We
accept
those
types
of
complaints.
J
So
a
brief
overview
of
the
life
of
a
ccrb
case,
so
that
intake
specialist
speaks
to
the
complaint
it
screens.
They
screen
that
complaint
to
make
sure
it
falls
under
fatal
fado.
If
it
doesn't,
we
have
a
robust
referral
process,
so
we
could
go
to
nypd's
internal
affairs
or
nypd's
office
of
the
chief
of
department,
or
it
could
be
that
the
intake
specialist
finds
that
it's
not
nypd
at
all.
It's
perhaps
a
traffic
agent
or
an
mta
agent,
which
is
our
local
subway
system,
and
we
will
refer
that
appropriate
complaint
to
the
appropriate
body.
J
But
if
it
does
fall
under
a
jurisdiction,
the
matter
will
be
sent
to
investigations
and
determine
if
it's
eligible
for
mediation
or
it
could
go
directly
to
investigations
for
mediation.
It's
a
completely
non-disciplinary
process.
Both
parties
must
agree
to
it.
It
is
a
third
party
that
conducts
these
mediations.
J
It's
a
neutral
third
party
they're
completely
confidential,
and
we've
received
a
high
level
of
satisfaction
in
this
process.
That
is
to
say
that
not
all
allegations
of
misconduct
are
eligible
for
mediation.
So,
for
example,
if
a
civilian
is
alleging
that
a
police
officer
used
excessive
force
that
isn't
something
that
we
would
offer
to
that
civilian
and
obviously
direct
it
directly
to
investigations.
J
J
That
board
panel
is
composed
of
members
from
different
groups
of
the
board,
so
it
could
be
a
mayoral
designee,
a
city
council
designee,
a
police
commissioner
doug
sydney
et
cetera,
and
if
those
and
the
board
has
that
final
disciplinary
recommendation
and
if
they
determine
that
that
allegation
is
severe,
it
would
go
to
our
administrative
prosecution
unit.
So
that's
an
overview
of
that
going
a
little
deeper
into
the
investigative
process.
As
was
mentioned,
we
do
have
subpoena
power.
So
the
investigators
obtain
witness
statements.
J
So
some
of
the
dispositions
that
we
have
there
are
four
major
dispositions,
substantiated,
unsubstantiated,
unfounded
and
exonerated.
We
use
the
preponderance
of
evidence
standard
so
for
substantiated.
That
means
that
there
was
sufficient,
credible
evidence
that
misconduct
occurred
for
unsubstantiated
there's,
not
sufficient,
credible
evidence.
So
we
don't
really
know
exactly
what
happened.
We
can't
really
say
that
this
occurred
that
misconducted
or
didn't
occur.
J
It
independently
tries
officers
for
these
allegations,
as
john
mentioned,
for
example,
the
most
notable
was
the
ap
trial
of
former
officer
pantaleo,
and
the
prosecutions
are
not
connected
to
any
civil
or
criminal
actions
by
the
nypd
or
its
officers,
which
is
important
to
note.
We
are
again
our
own
separate
process.
A
I'm
sorry,
yes,
dude,
there's
one
person
who
has
a
hard
stop
at
12.
mm-hmm,
I'm
wondering
if
you
have
much
further
or
if
it
would
be
you
okay,
I
do
want.
I
think
everything
you're
saying
is
very
pertinent
and
relevant
if
we
could
pause,
allow
for
him
to
speak
and
get
back
to
your
presentation.
Essentially.
A
J
Just
to
wrap
up
when
talking
to
the
public,
what's
really
important,
is
to
really
highlight
our
policy
department
as
well,
because
folks
really
want
to
know
you
know.
Why
would
I
foul
the
complaint
of
the
worst
thing
that
could
happen
to
a
police
officer
is
that
they
lose
vacation
days
or
possibly
get
fired.
We
really
highlight
the
policy
department
that
could
aggregate
this
data,
make
policy
recommendations
and
help
the
public
see
any
trends
in
policing.
We
publish
all
of
our
data
on
our
website,
which
I'll
share
with
you
all.
A
Over
no,
you
didn't
and
we
just
he
had
a
hard
stop,
and
that's
the
only
only
thing
so.
Thank
you
so
much
for
incredibly
informative,
we're
gonna
have
other
people
speak
and
then
come
back
for
a
robust
conversation,
so
we,
I
hope,
you'll
be
able
to
stay
on
the
entire
time.
Thank
you
so
much
for
this
and
I'm
sure
michelle
sent
out
the
presentation
to
all
the
counselors.
A
Q
Thank
you,
madam
chair,
for
for
appreciate
that
I
want
to
also
thank
you
for
your
leadership
and
the
the
makers
for
their
leadership
and
all
of
the
city
councillors
who
are
with
us.
It
is.
It
is
an
honor
to
be
here.
I
I
think
I
also
want
to
thank
joharda
alvarez
for
that
incredible
presentation,
and
it
dovetails
very
nicely
I,
after
seeing
that
presentation,
I
feel
that
that
new
york
city
is
light
years
ahead
of
us
in
terms
of
where
we
should
be
with
respect
to
police,
accountability
and
oversight.
Q
I
want
to
make
one
thing
very
clear:
at
lawyers
for
civil
rights,
we
not
only
hold
police
accountable.
We
also
defend
police
officers,
we
sued
the
boston
police
when
we
found
out
about
terence
coleman's
murder,
for
example,
and
we
defend
police
officers
of
color
when
we
sued,
for
example,
the
city
when
claude
defeat
was
discriminated
in,
the
cadet
academy
and
unfairly
terminated.
So
we
are
in
the
business
of
both
holding
police
accountable
and
also
making
sure
that
police
officers
of
color
are
being
treated
fairly.
Q
So
my
comments
here
today
are
not
meant
in
any
way
to
disparage
the
incredible
leadership
and
work
of
officers,
particularly
officers
of
color,
who
are
much
needed
on
the
ground.
The
you
have
as
a
body
the
power
to
do
this.
It
is
in
your
inherent
powers
that
are
constitutionally
reserved
for
cities
and
states,
and
we
are
already
in
a
landscape
where
the
co-op,
which
has
already
been
referenced
in
multiple
locations,
the
community
ombudsman
oversight
panel
exists,
but
I
want
to
be
very
clear.
The
process
is
confusing.
Q
It
has
no
teeth
and
at
lawyers
for
civil
rights
we
have
been
repeatedly
fielding
phone
calls
and
requests
for
more
transparency,
engagement
and
accessibility
with
co-op.
I
can
show
you
many
emails
going
back
years,
where
community
leaders
like
jamal
crawford
have
been
clamoring
for
an
expansion
of
the
resources
and
authority
that
the
co-op
has.
This
proposal
would
be
to
essentially
completely
overhaul
co-op,
which
could
very
well
be
needed
right
now
in
the
co-op.
There
are
no
appointments
from
any
single
one
of
you.
Q
It
is
critical
that
the
appointments
come
beyond
the
mayor's
office
for
you,
as
representatives
of
the
people,
to
have
appointment
power
for
this
type
of
police
oversight.
It
is
also
critical
to
incorporate
components
of
what
jahida
alvarez
articulated
so
clearly
subpoena
power,
the
power
to
compile
data
and
evidence
the
power
to
be
able
to
receive
complaints
through
a
multitude
of
channels.
Just
this
morning,
in
anticipation
of
this
hearing,
I
went
to
the
co-op
website
and
in
the
link
that
says,
click
here
to
file
a
complaint.
The
link
is
broken.
Q
This
is
what
I
am
referring
to
as
a
complete
deficit
in
the
functions
of
the
co-op,
no
disrespect
to
the
incredible
people
already
affiliated
with
the
co-op
who
are
doing
their
very
best
with
very
limited
resources.
I
also
want
to
point
out
that,
in
anticipation
of
this
hearing,
I
emailed
the
co
board.
The
response
is
a
generic
email,
it
doesn't
have
any
information
about
timeline
or
next
steps
in
terms
of
guidance
or
support
for
individuals,
so
you're
essentially
sending
an
email
into
a
vacuum.
Q
Q
Q
We
cannot
wait
for
police
officers
to
police
themselves
and
for
the
powers
to
be
to
protect
them.
It
is
critical
that
we
can
create
structures
to
be
able
to
applaud
police
and
exonerate
them
if
they've
been
wrongly
accused
and
be
able
to
hold
them
accountable
when
there
is
a
there
there,
and
by
this
I
mean
even
in
the
example
of
terence
coleman,
which
was
the
result
of
policing
not
sensitive
to
mental
health
or
disabilities.
Q
We
still
have
no
change
zero
change
in
the
way
law.
Enforcement
in
boston
interacts
with
civilians
experiencing
mental
health,
distress
or
disabilities
no
change,
and
that
is
because
co-op
has
no
teeth.
It
is
critical
that
we
push
this
forward
to
make
sure
that
people
like
terence
coleman
and
hope
coleman
can
have
justice,
and
thank
you,
madam
chair,
for
squeezing
me
in.
R
My
few
moments
of
your
time
is
just
to
reinforce,
as
ivan
was
saying,
the
importance
of
the
co-op
not
having
teeth
and
us
needing
to
move
forward
with
a
civilian
review
board
that
has
teeth,
and
I
really
want
to
thank
the
folks
from
new
york.
I
I'm
sorry
for
interrupting
before
your
q
a
but
seeing
what
you've
done
and
the
things
that
you've
even
put
in
place,
as
mentioned
just
before.
R
So
I'm
hoping
that's
going
to
invoke
all
of
the
city
councillors
to
say
we
got
to
beat
you
guys
in
something
else,
and
not
only
do
we
take
the
things
that
are
your
best
practices
in
new
york,
but
also
improve
upon
those
and
take
some
of
your
lessons
learned.
I
also
just
wanted
to
reiterate
that
we
are
back
from
vacation
at
the
state
house
and
three
months
ago,
or
so.
R
The
two
items
that
were
city
level
that
all
the
folks
around
the
city
around
the
cities
around
the
commonwealth
thought
were
most
important
was
one
of
them
was
civilian
review
board
and
the
others
already
been
done.
That
council
royal
had
begun
around
structural
racism,
and
so
I
was
asked
that
folks,
listen
to
the
community
folks,
listen
to
us
and
say
that
as
we,
that
is
black,
latino
agents
have
been
saying.
This
is
something
that
we've
heard
from
our
communities
and
at
the
city
level.
R
Boston
will
set
a
precedent
to
make
sure
that
a
real
civilian
review
board
is
in
place.
That
can
be
a
model
not
only
for
the
rest
of
the
cities
and
towns
across
this
commonwealth,
but
across
this
country,
and
ask
you
for
your
strong
consideration.
Thank
you
councilwoman
for
just
giving
me
a
few
minutes.
I
very
much
appreciate
it.
A
L
L
I
came
to
the
city
in
2008,
as
the
director
of
the
city's
peace
commission
took
on
this
million
oversight
work
in
2010
and
in
that
context,
got
involved
in
the
national
association
nakol,
the
national
association
for
civilian
oversight
of
law
enforcement
and
I've
served
on
the
national
board
for
eight
years,
including
three
years
as
the
elected
president
of
the
association.
So
I'm
now
in
my
waning
time
as
immediate
past
president
for
about
one
more
year
on
the
board.
L
So
it's
really
in
that
capacity
that
I'm
speaking
with
you
today
and
I
want
to
just
say,
a
couple,
quick
things
and
then
talk
a
little
bit
about
the
nature
of
civilian
oversight.
To
give
you
a
bit
of
an
overview.
Hopefully
that
will
help
put
some
of
this
into
a
broader
context,
but
we
have
been
in
nicole
doing
work
around
the
country.
In
the
current
moment,
we
always
support
our
member
agencies.
L
When
something
goes
wrong,
how
do
we
hold
people
accountable,
which
is
necessary,
but
also
front-end
accountability?
How
do
we
ensure
that
the
systems
we
have
in
place,
the
training,
the
policies
and
the
procedures
really
create
the
kind
of
policing
that
our
communities
want
and
deserve,
and
that
has
to
be
tailored
to
each
community?
L
Just
go
back
a
little
bit
just
to
give
you
a
little
framework
around
oversight.
I
think
councilor
bach
mentioned
that
civilian
oversight
goes
back
to
the
1920s,
and
the
first
efforts
really
go
back
to
los
angeles.
When
the
bar
association
there
tried
to
create
some
form
of
civilian
oversight,
it
was
obviously
outside
of
the
government,
had
limited
ability
to
make
a
difference
and
we've
seen
many
changes
through
the
years.
L
L
I
think
when
I
look
through
the
ordinance
that's
been
drafted.
Most
of
those
things
are
present.
They
include
things
like
independence,
unfettered
access
to
records
and
resources,
community
outreach,
community
representation
on
the
board,
proper
training,
which
is
vital
for
staff
and
board
members.
To
do
this
work,
I
can't
emphasize
how
important
proper
training
is,
and
these
elements
are
very
important
in
any
type
of
oversight.
L
S
L
Oversight,
but
there
is
a
best
fit
for
any
given
city
and
we
look
at
the
history
of
boston,
the
oldest
police
department
in
the
country,
which
has
this
very
interesting,
combined
history
of
the
legacy
of
the
english
constables
and
the
history
of
sir
robert
peale,
talking
about
the
police
or
the
public
and
the
public
or
the
police,
as
well
as
the
increasingly
well-known
history
of
slave
patrols
in
the
south
slave
catchers.
In
the
north,
we
have
an
interesting,
hybrid
and
in
boston.
L
The
nature
of
trauma
as
it
affects
all
aspects
of
the
community
boston,
has
a
really
unique
opportunity
to
create
a
form
of
oversight
that
works.
That
is
sustainable
that
meets
effective
practices
that
have
been
set
out
by
nikol
through
our
research
and
that
really
lives
up
to
what
we've
seen
in
the
president's
task
force
on
21st
century
policing.
L
If
people
have
not
had
a
chance
to
read
it,
I
really
urge
people
to
review
the
report
of
that
task,
force,
there's
also
executive
summary
and
some
input
and
implementation
guide
so,
depending
on
how
deeply
you
want
to
dig
into
it.
But
the
principles
in
that
report
are
vitally
important
as
we
look
at
transforming
policing.
Some
of
those
principles
are
things
that
have
been
studied
for
over
120
years,
going
back
to
the
wickership
commission
at
the
turn
of
the
last
century,
and
yet
we
still
as
a
nation
need
to
implement
them.
L
L
I
know
I've
spoken
for
over
five
minutes,
so
with
respect
to
the
work
that
you
all
have
to
do,
I
want
to
try
to
keep
my
comments
brief,
but
again,
thank
you
for
the
opportunity
and
I'm
very
excited
to
partner
with
my
colleagues
in
boston
as
we
continue
to
build
the
movement
for
not
just
civilian
oversight,
but
really
for
policing
that
truly
creates
again
peaceful
and
just
communities
as
we
all
deserve.
Thank
you
for
your
time.
T
Thanks
counselor,
I
do
this
a
million
times.
First
of
all,
I
want
to
thank
brian
core
for
his
testimony.
Brian
is
one
of
the
best
in
the
country
and
in
particular
I
want
to
thank
the
work
of
councilor
edwards
and,
in
particular,
counselor
counselor
campbell,
for
trying
to
put
their
putting
this
together
and
putting
this
ordinance
together.
T
T
T
One
of
the
things
I
saw
in
the
audience
that
I
ordinance
that
I
really
really
liked
was
trying
to
go
after
the
issue
of
when
a
person
when
a
citizen
makes
a
complaint
to
resolution.
I
think
that
is
a
critical
process
piece
that
cannot
be
ignored.
One
of
in
my
experience
on
the
co-op
many
times
you
had
complaints.
T
When
you
went
through
the
file
by
the
time
we
were
able
to
give
an
answer.
There
was
almost
in
certain
cases
in
more
cases
in
almost
two
years
had
gone
by
before
the
citizen
actually
got
a
resolution
which,
by
that
time,
in
more
cases,
did
not.
Memories
fade
on
both
the
police
side,
as
well
as
the
citizen,
making
the
complaint
as
well.
P
T
T
T
The
other
thing
I
would
say
is,
I
would
spend
a
lot
of
time-
and
I
think
I
saw
some
of
this
here
in
the
ordinances-
is
really
looking
at
that
budget
in
terms
of
the
department
and
who's
spending.
What
investigations
are
going
to
be
are
going
to
be
expensive
and
I
think,
as
you
get
a
chance
to
drill
down
with
our
colleagues
from
the
europe
to
really
get
into
that
piece
of
of
the
spending
on
investigative
side
that
will
happen
when
you
have
investigative
powers
by
a
civilian
review
board.
I
don't
disagree
with
it.
T
I
think-
and
we
recommended
this
to
co-op
back
in
2015
you
absolutely.
If
you
have
a
civilian
review
review
board,
you
absolutely
should
have
a
department
with
a
budget.
That's
well
staffed,
with
analysts,
meeting
a
mediation
specialist,
an
executive
director,
people
who
are
trained
to
understand
government,
the
law
process
and
regulations.
That
sort
of
thing,
I
think,
is
critical,
because
that
will,
I
think,
cut
down
on
what
could
be
very
expensive
costs
in
regards
to
investigations,
not
that
it
should
not
be
done.
T
T
That's
one
of
the
things
that
I
had
pushed
for
in
the
recommendation
back
in
2015
and
basically
the
the
thought
was
this:
if,
if
I'm
driving
down,
let's
say
boston
street
in
boston,
I
hit
a
particle.
My
my
tire
is
blown
out.
I
could
pull
out
my
smartphone,
I
can,
you
know,
say
what
happened
and
then
I'll
get
a
ticket
back.
So
that's
a
there's,
a
file
that
can
be
tracked
similar.
I
think
things
can
happen
between
a
police
officer
and
a
citizen.
T
The
interaction
may
not
be
negative.
It
may
be
possible
so
whether
it's
positive
or
negative,
the
citizen
in
terms
of
agency
having
power
right
on
scene,
should
be
able
to
send
a
praise
or
a
complaint
on
the
311
system.
Now
the
point
is,
and
on
the
back
end
is
who
gets
that
information?
I
think
it
should
be.
T
It
should
go
to
the
police
department,
it
could
be
the
brick
or
whatever
thing
that
they
think
is
appropriate,
as
well
as
to
the
civilian
review
board,
or
in
particular
the
department
that
is
being
created
with
the
with
the
I.t
specialists
as
as
a
part
of
it,
and
you
have
to
have
people
on
st
on
staff
who
have
in
you
have
to
have
interpreters
language
interpreters
on
staff.
Many
times
in
terms
of
complaints,
be
a
positive
of
calling
up
a
complaint
of
service
to
the
police
department.
T
T
T
That's
a
good
thing,
because
most
of
the
cases
that
I
saw
I
had
to
do
with
a
citizen
feeling
that
they
have
been
disrespected
have
been
talked
to
have
been
cursed
at
have
been
ignored
whatever
and
that
stuff
drove
them
crazy
when
they
were
not
when
they
felt
that
they
were
disrespected
by
an
officer,
and
there
was
no
means
by
which
to
have
that
encounter
dealt
with.
So
you
know,
mediation,
I
think,
is
a
big
deal.
S
T
A
Thank
you
very
much
to
my
colleagues.
We
still
have
about
two
panels,
and
so
what
my
plan
is
to
move
this
along
is
to
give
a
half
hour
for
all
of
us
to
ask
these
the
people
who
just
spoke
any
questions
or
to
have
some
comments
that
equals
it
to
about
two
and
a
half
to
three
minutes
each
person,
each
of
the
the
colleagues
that
are
still
here
and
then
we
will
move
to
our
second
panels
and
we
will
have
them
both
do
their
presentations
all
at
once.
A
That
includes
aclu
matthew,
allen,
violence
in
boston,
monica
cannon,
a
youth
person
leader
in
our
community,
darwin
sarah
villa
that
also
includes
mammalo,
representative
eddie,
crispin
and
diego
a
representative.
These
are
law
enforcement
officers,
minority
law
enforcement
officer
organizations,
david
hernandez.
They
will
come
after.
So
I'm
going
to
be
very
strict
with
time
with
my
colleagues
to
have
those
questions
asked
to
the
people
who
just
spoke
again.
A
If
we
go
into
police
contracts
and
other
topics
that
we're
going
to
cover
this
afternoon,
I
will
push
my
colleagues
to
wait
for
that
questioning
later.
This
is
for
even
the
the
co-sponsors.
This
is
to
allow
us
to
really
have
that
conversation
and
to
respect
the
time
of
the
folks
who
haven't
spoken.
Yet
so
with
that,
I'm
getting
my
timer
ready
and
we
will
go
to
the
lead
sponsor
andrea.
I
Campbell,
thank
you,
council,
edwards
and,
and
I'll
be
brief.
I
I
have
engaged
with
the
panelists
and
those
who
couldn't
attend
today's
hearing
many
times
and
so
and
including
with
respect
to
this
specific
language.
So
thank
you
all
for
taking
the
time
to
be
here.
It
is
absolutely
value-added.
I
was
taking
a
lot
of
notes
and
I
will
stay
in
touch
with
each
and
every
one
of
you
especially
helpful
to
the
conversation
and
the
framing
were
the
folks
from
new
york.
So
thank
you.
I
I
G
Sure,
thank
you.
Thank
you
all
for
your
presentations.
I
just
have
a
few
questions
I
would
like
to
just
with
jahida
johada
alvarez.
If
you're
still
with
us,
you
mentioned
that
the
police
commissioners
is
the
one
with
the
ultimate
issue
who
will
ultimately
issue
the
disciplinary
actions.
Have
there
ever
been
any
instances
where
the
board
recommended
discipline
and
the
commissioner
refuses
and
what
has
that
process
looked
like.
J
Thank
you,
counselor
john,
had
to
hop
off
due
to
child
care
issues,
so
in
those
situations
that
we
called
it
concurrence
when
the
board
recommends
discipline
and
the
police
commissioner
agrees
with
that
discipline.
That
is
a
an
element
of
why
the
policy
is
so.
The
policy
department
is
so
important
to
track
those
levels
of
concurrence.
So
there
are
situations
where
the
police,
commissioner,
reduces
the
recommendation
and
complete,
and
there
are
also
situations
where
the
police,
commissioner
increases
the
level
of
disciplinary
recommendation.
J
So
we
track
all
of
that
on
our
data
transparency
initiative.
One
thing
to
to
note
that,
with
the
administrative
prosecution
unit,
those
are
a
little
bit.
You
know
different
because
it's
a
guilty
not
guilty
verdict
in
the
guilty
verdicts.
When
we
recommend
a
specific,
you
know,
amount
of
vacation
days,
etc
or
suspension.
J
That's
tracked
and
also
explained
on
why
the
the
police
commissioner
deviated
from
it,
but
due
to
the
recent
charter
changes
in
november
now
with
the
office.
Now
what
the
police
commissioner
has
to
do
with
cases
that
aren't
as
severe
as
the
epu
cases,
so
anything
below
charges
and
specifications
when
they
deviate
from
a
substantiated
allegation
of
misconduct.
They
have
to
write
us
a
deviate,
deviation
letter
which
explains
in
detail
what
circumstances
inform
their
decision
to
to
reduce
that
recommended
discipline,
and
we
can
send
you
that
charter
language
as
well.
G
That,
yes,
thank
you.
That
would
be
extremely
helpful.
This
question
is
going
to
go
to
brian,
so
I'm
just
curious.
Something
that
we've
been
thinking
about.
Is
that
there's
one
thing
to
create
a
civilian
review
board,
but
it's
another
for
people
to
actually
use
it.
It's
in
its
entirety
and
I'm
thinking
particularly
about
our
non-english
speaking
communities,
particularly
those
who
are
undocumented.
G
L
Through
you,
madam
chair,
and
thank
you
to
counselor
mejia,
that's
a
great
question
and,
to
be
honest,
the
answer
is
actually
quite
complicated.
There
are
a
lot
of
different
ways
that
we've
seen
people
around
the
country
do
this,
so
there
are
certainly
places
like
denver,
los
angeles,
seattle
that
have
done,
and
I
could
certainly
refer
people
to
other
places.
This
process
goes
forward.
L
They
have
done
a
very
good
job,
creating
mechanisms
for
sustained
community
outreach
that
include
outreach
to
people
who
are
not
speakers
of
english
as
their
first
language
and
also
to
the
extent
possible
helping
communities
who
may
have
people
in
their
families
or
in
their
communities
who
are
not
in
status,
but
still
have
complaints
against
the
police
to
feel
confident
and
secure.
In
some
places.
That's
done
by
having
anonymous
complaints,
that's
not
possible
everywhere.
It
varies
a
lot
according
to
state
law
and
collective
bargaining
agreements.
L
L
I
think
the
the
key
ultimately
is
creating
a
track
record
that
shows
that
when
people
make
complaints
they're
taken
seriously
that
people
are
treated
justly
that
they
feel
like
they're
treated
with
respect
when
they
go
in
that
they're
not
made
fun
of
or
belittled
or
told.
Well,
why
did
you
do
that?
How
come
you
didn't
do
this?
It's
really
about
creating
an
environment
where
people
start
to
spread
the
word
through
their
organic
networks
that
you
know
what
this
is
something
that
is
good.
It's
helpful.
G
Thank
you
thank
you
for
that,
and
I
and
I
I
get
really
paranoid
about
my
time.
So
I
have
one
more
question.
Counselor
edwards
give
me
a
minute.
Hopefully
I
I'm
just
curious,
and
this
might
be
a
philosophical
question,
and
you
know
I'm
just
you
know
oftentimes
when
a
school
isn't
performing
to
the
rate
that
it
should
or
or
something
happens.
G
Normally,
what
happens
is
that
that
school
gets
shut
down
or
they
get
put
in
any
kind
of
level
performing
level
or
something
there
is
some
very
specific
ramifications
that
happens
as
a
result,
it
seems
like
when
it
comes
to
the
police
department,
it's
a
little
bit
harder
for
us
to
kind
of
hold
that
accountability,
and
I'm
just
wondering
why.
Why
is
that?
Why
is
it
it's
okay
for
for
us
to
be
able
to
shut
down
schools
that
are
not
performing
well,
but
for
us
to
continue
to
tolerate
behavior?
G
That
oftentimes
is
not
reflective
of
the
whole
idea
of
protecting
and
serving
so
what's
that
all
about,
and
anyone
can
answer
that
question
if
they
choose,
and
that
would
be
the
final
question
yeah
I
like.
I,
like
I
like
to
get
an
understanding
of
why
it's
okay,
I
mean,
if
I
I
need
to
understand,
what's
the
difference
between
shutting
down
a
school,
that's
not
performing
and
holding
a
police
officer
accountable
for
misconduct.
What
is
the
difference
between
those
two
and
why
are
we
having
this
conversation.
L
Well,
this
is
brian
core
I'll
be
trying
to
be
very
brief.
I
would
say
the
main
difference
is
the
history
in
our
society,
the
nature
of
policing
and
the
ways
in
which
policing
has
been
forced
to
take
on
roles
that
are
really
they're
first
responders.
It's
not
only
they're
enforcing
the
law
but
they're
the
people
that
show
up
at
three
in
the
morning
when
something
terrible
is
happening
and
as
we
as
a
society
we
grapple
with
this.
L
I
think
we're
for
the
first
time
in
my
life
in
over
50
years,
having
real
conversations
about
what
is
real
public
safety.
What
does
that
look
like,
and
part
of
that
is
ensuring
that
the
people
that
it's
their
job
to
carry
out
public
safety
are
held
accountable
and
there
are
actually
people
who
are
able
to
do
that.
So
again,
I
won't
get
into
a
million
issues
around
history
and
politics
and
unions
and
contracts,
and
all
that,
but
I
would
say
it's
not
okay
and
we're.
F
L
S
L
Actually
put
out
a
report
about
five
years
ago:
they
did
research,
they
talked
to
nicole
the
co-op
they
met
with
our
oversight
board
in
cambridge,
look
at
our
model
and
came
up
with
some
very
specific
recommendations,
many
of
which
are
reflected
in
the
ordinance,
but
ultimately
were
about
creating
a
stand-alone
civilian
oversight
office.
They
could
receive
complaints
that
could
do
investigations
and-
and
I
think
those
recommendations
for
the
co-op
really
speak
for
themselves.
Those
are
the
kinds
of
things
that
include
really
increased
legitimacy.
L
The
feeling
people
have
that
this
is
an
agency
that
actually
can
take
care
of
me.
It
gives
people,
as
others
have
said,
a
place
to
go,
that's
not
in
the
police
department,
and
it
allows
people
to
believe
that
investigations
are
being
carried
out
fairly.
Whether
or
not
it's
true
many
people
don't
have
trust
that
the
police
will
investigate
themselves
without
some
outside
oversight
or
agency,
and
so
to
create
this
separate
agency.
That's
within
city
government,
to
do
investigations
that
has
proper
training
and
can
make
recommendations
and
impose
discipline.
L
L
I
I
guess
just
to
follow
up.
I
would
say
that
I,
I
think
it
really
does
need
to
have
a
be
a
standalone
agency
with
staffing
and
the
ability
to
receive
complaints
separate
from
the
police
department.
I
think
that's
some
of
those
are
some
of
the
most
important
things
and
then
to
be
able
to
actually
do
those
investigations
outside
the
police
department.
If
you
look
at
major
cities
around
the
country,
boston
is
well
within
the
zone
of
cities
that
have
independent
investigations
from
it
separate
from
the
internal
affairs
or
professional
standards
unit.
L
F
You
brian,
and
to
miss
alvarez
how
many
complaints
are
there
every
year
in
new
york
and
I
counted
all
the
boxes
it
looked
like.
There
was
maybe
35
to
37
person
panel,
which
you
know.
Sometimes
it
might
be,
like
herding,
cats,
to
kind
of
get
to
come
to
a
consensus
and
a
conclusion
as
to
whether
something
actually
happened
or
not.
So
I
think
that's
a
significant
number
of
people,
but
there's
also
a
big
funding
piece
associated
with
that
as
well.
J
J
The
average
time
would
be
about
three
months
and
now
that
time
has
increased
by
several
months
and
that's
due
to
the
body-worn
camera
the
roll-out
of
the
body-worn
camera
program
in
nypd,
but
also
that
that
civilians
are
recording
incidents
that
occur
like,
for
example,
in
the
recent
protests
that
we
saw
here
in
new
york
city.
We
had
750
complaints
that
were
filed
in
a
short
amount
of
time
based
off
of
around
250
individuals
individual
instances.
J
So
that
means
that
we
were
having
repeat
complaints
about
a
single
incident,
so
reviewing
all
of
that
footage
to
make
sure
that
we
are
making
those
recommendations
based
off
of
the
merits
really
extends
the
amount
of
time.
So
that's
something
to
consider
and
also
receiving
that
body.
One
camera
footage
from
the
police
department.
J
Will
send,
I
will
send
you
a
council
counselor,
a
link
to
our
data
transparency
initiative.
It's
it's
hovered
around
4500
for
the
for
the
past
few
years,
but
we
did
see
we
did
see
an
increase
in
2019
and
that
may
be
due
to
our
outreach
efforts.
But
we
can't
really
say
for
sure
why
that
number
increased.
F
E
T
Case
I
well,
I
I
haven't
been
on
the
on
the
co-op
since
the
end
of
november,
so
I
don't
know
if
we
don't
know
what's
happening
now,
but
you
know
you
had
two.
You
had
two
different
kinds
of
of
cases
that
would
come
to
an
ombudsman.
One
were
the
random
pulls.
You
know
random
cases,
more
cases
that
you
would
see
were
quality
assurance
cases
right
ran.
T
I
love
those
cases
because
you
get
to
see
whether
or
not
a
case
was
handled
fairly
or
not
by
the
police
department,
and
you
know
they
didn't
know
it
was
going
to
be
pulled.
But
then
you
had
your
your
cases
on
appeal
in
which
someone
has
actually
filed
a
complaint
and
that
sort
of
thing
so
in
terms
of
materials
receiving
investigative
investigatory
materials
that
stuff
was
given
to
you
up
from
once
that
file,
whether
appeal
file
or
a
random
file
was
given
to
an
ombudsman.
E
L
Oh
yes,
thank
you
just
very
briefly
just
nationally.
What
I
would
say
is
that
we
at
nicole
do
recommend
subpoena
power.
My
agency
in
cambridge
has
it
now.
The
reality
is
in
cambridge.
We
haven't
had
to
use
it
for
many
many
years
and
at
least
15
years,
but
it
often
is
an
important
part
of
helping
set
the
tone
that
people
should
be
expected
to
cooperate
with
the
agency.
So
it's
generally
seen
as
an
effective
practice.
L
It's
usually
not
something
that
will
make
or
break
an
agency,
and
it
is
often
something
that
community
activists
are
very
much
looking
for
that
it
can
be
the
thing
that
makes
people
feel
that
this
agency
is
serious
or
not.
If
it
has
the
power
to
compel
witnesses
and
testimony
and
I'll
just
add
that
it
generally
does
not
mean
that
you
can
bring
officers
in,
but
you
can
bring
in
other
witnesses,
get
materials,
video
that
sort
of
thing.
E
J
Thank
you,
madam
chair,
also
try
to
be
brief
and
I
have
a
question
that
actually
does
connect
to
our
afternoon
hearing,
but
I
think
it's
appropriate
to
ask
here,
to
the
extent
that
the
that
the
folks
from
new
york
can
speak
to
when
you
were
setting.
All
of
this
up
I
mean
was
the
issue
mainly
changes
in
city
charter
and
or
state
law,
or
to
what
extent
did
you
need
to
negotiate
changes
in
your
police
union
contracts
in
order
to
give
this
system
its
purchase.
J
Great
question,
and
even
not
only
when
the
agency
was
in,
it
was
in
its
infancy
stages,
but
even
now
we
see
that
some
changes
are
tied
to
not
only
local
law
but
state
law
and
collective
bargaining
agreements.
So
I
can't
speak
to
the
origins
of
how
tangled
that
web
is
weaved,
but
those
are
considerations
that
we
do
consider
moving
forward.
J
J
So
that's
where
the
concurrence
issue
is,
is
very
important
and
holding
all
parties
accountable
where
we
can
track
the
times
that
the
commissioner
has
again
agreed
with
those
disciplinary
recommendations
the
times
that
they've
deviated,
how
they
compare
to
previous
commissioners
and
the
reasons
that
they
provide
when
deviating
from
that
recommendation.
But
you
know
generally,
they
do
some.
Some
level
of
discipline
is
imposed
on
those
on
those
officers
when
the
board
recommends
discipline.
Sorry,
I
was
asking
a
slight
that's
really
helpful.
J
N
Thank
you,
madam
chair.
I
did
step
away
for
a
brief
moment
to
take
a
a
pre-arranged
commitment
anyway.
So
I
hope
I'm
not
asking
a
question.
That's
already
been
asked,
but
I
am
curious
about
the
the
the
report
that
recommends
community
involvement
as
in
the
oversight,
efforts,
and
I
wonder
whether
how
the
community
is
actually
involved
in
some
of
those
decisions
and
creating
those
policies,
and
if
it's
been
already
asked
and
answered,
I'm
happy
to
review
the
footage.
N
N
Well,
just
whether
it's
the
co-op
or
just
the
in
general,
the
oversight
boards.
I
think
this
question
is
maybe
more
for
brian
right,
just
curious
about
the
community
involvement
in
policy
creation
both
to
inform
the
work
of
the
oversight
board,
but
then
also
to
inform
some
of
the
policies
that
are
created
out
of
that
effort.
L
Through
you
manager,
thank
you,
councilor
society
george.
I
would
say
that
there
are
a
couple
different
ways:
there's
sort
of
the
broad
outreach
efforts
and
that's
again
done
different
ways
in
different
cities.
I
know
new
york
city,
they
have
a
whole
outreach
team
and
again
higher
could
speak
to
that
better
than
I
could,
but
one
of
the
things
they
do
is
they
actually
meet
in
different
boroughs.
L
The
other
piece
I
would
say
is
that
when
many
boards
are
looking
at
policies,
there's
a
couple
different
parts,
there
can
be
reviewing
existing
policies
that
tends
to
be
done
more
by
staff
and
board
members
and
policy
analysts,
depending
on
the
size
of
the
oversight
agency
in
the
community.
When
people
are
looking
at
new
policies,
I'd
say
that's.
L
Where
you've
seen
I've
seen
some
really
interesting
models
of
how
people
have
done
that
it
can
take
the
form
of
forming
a
task
force
to
look
at
specific
issues
which
you
know
may
be
very
similar
to
what's
happening
in
boston
in
the
mayoral
administration.
Right
now,
that's
happening
in
cities
around
the
country.
There
also
can
be
a
process
where
the
board
members
actually
are
working
with
policy
writers
in
the
police
department
to
sit
down
review,
other
policies
from
other
communities
and
then
do
work
in
the
community
to
get
feedback.
L
We
have
a
community
outreach
team
that
is
made
of
people
from
different
immigrant
and
racial
and
ethnic
communities
that
have
those
connections
directly
so
anyway,
again
at
the
risk
of
talking
too
long,
I'd
be
happy
to
speak
more
to
people
offline,
but
there
are
a
lot
of
ways
that
that
can
happen.
I'd
say
needs
to
happen,
especially
around
policies
they're
more
high
profile.
That
really
are
where
we're
seeing
the
disconnect
between
the
needs
and
standards
of
community
and
the
kind
of
policing
people
feel
they're
receiving.
N
N
J
L
The
main
reason
they
have
a
time
limit
is
so
that
you're
not
digging
things
up
from
five
years
ago,
and
then
it's
hard
to
get
people's
memories
and
hard
to
find
evidence
and
witnesses.
So
it's
really
about
making
sure
that
the
investigations
are
respectful
to
everyone
involved,
the
complainant,
the
witnesses
and
the
officers.
A
M
Hello,
thank
you
so
much.
Madam
chair.
First,
I
just
want
to
thank
the
panel.
I
would
ask
that
if
we
could
have
any
written
presentation
sent
or
resent
to
the
council,
that
would
be
helpful,
and
this
is
really
for
cambridge
and
new
york.
Anyone
can
answer
I'd,
be
interested
in
a
breakdown
of
cases,
understanding
whether
or
not
there
is
a
wide
range
of
the
types
of
cases
that
come
before
you
are.
M
What
percentage
of
these
con
civilian
concerns
are
kind
of
upheld
by
these
decisions
of
the
board
versus
not
and
whether
or
not
there's
an
opportunity
to
appeal,
and
then
I
am
also
interested
around
the
contract
issue
that
counselor
sabi
george
just
mentioned.
You
know
there
could
be
some
decision
or
I
don't
know
if
it
was
counselor
bob
that
mentions
you
know
there
could
be
something
that
happens,
that
that
then
will
come
back
to
a
contract
issue
and
they
will
find
the
officer
back.
M
M
L
Through
you,
madam
chair,
if
I
may
start
only
because
my
answer
will
be
briefer,
I
promise
so
to
you
counselor
jaini.
First
of
all,
in
cambridge
we
have
a
relatively
low
number
of
complaints.
After
a
lot
of
work,
I
would
say
coming
out
the
wake
of
the
arrest
professor
gates
or
for
10
years
ago,
so
we
at
this
point
most
of
our
complaints
are
really
about
conduct.
We
have
only
gotten
a
couple
of
use
of
force,
complaints
in
the
last
four
years.
L
I
think
we've
gotten
two
most
are
really
around
people
feeling
disrespected.
The
challenge
with
that
is
that
in
most
of
our
complaints-
and
we
don't
have
body
worn
cameras
in
cambridge,
most
of
our
complaints
is
there
are
multiple
accounts
and
we
work
with
the
preponderance
of
the
evidence.
So
it
can
be
challenging
to
demonstrate
that
someone
was
spoken
to
in
a
way
that
was
rude
or
someone
was
racially
profiled.
So
you
know
about
it's.
L
Yeah,
so
in
cambridge
we
don't
have
a
pilot.
We
have.
We
don't
have
a
policy
of
asking
people
to
state
their
race
when
they
make
complaints.
It's
something
that
I
have
thought
about
quite
a
bit,
so
we
don't
have
a
racial
breakdown
on
the
complainants
and
the
officers
because
we
don't
track
it
by
complaints.
We
don't
track
are
so
I
won't
go
on
at
all.
So
we
don't
have
that
data
for
cambridge,
although
I
would
say
it
is
truly
an
effective
practice
to
do
so.
J
Yes,
this
is
a
wonderful
question
and
a
lot
of
data,
so
we
do
track
race.
We
it's
an
optional
question,
so
we
have
a
robust
database
of
not
only
the
demographic
breakdown
of
the
complainants
and
alleged
victims,
but
also
the
democratic
demographic
breakdown
of
the
police
officers
by
race
and
gender.
J
So
on
our
website,
which
I
will
send
and
has
a
breakdown
of,
also
the
incidence
of
the
of
the
complaint.
What
time
of
day
that
these
incidents
occurred,
predominantly
our
complaints
are
complaining.
Victims
are
men
and
usually
men
of
color
in
our
recent
youth
report,
because
we
tracked
this
information,
it
was
predominantly
young
boys
of
color,
in
particular
black
boys
ages,
10
to
18
that
were
fought
that
had
filed
complaints
against
misconduct.
J
Those
complaints
were
initiated
by
a
parent
and
guardian
in
the
majority
of
those
instances
and
again,
that's
why
the
the
policy
element
is
so
important
to
understand
trends
in
these
instances.
In
the
recent
youth
report,
the
types
of
allegations
were
for
youth
engaging
in
seemingly
innocuous
activity
like
high-fiving
jaywalking
wrestling
playing
et
cetera,
so
I'll
be
happy
to
send
the
breakdown
of
that
in
terms
of
dispositions.
J
What
we
found
is
about
20
are
substantiated
again,
but
most
of
but
most
of
the
complaint
dispositions
are
based
off
of
the
merits,
which
means
that,
because
we
have
the
video
evidence,
we
do
find
that
you
know
the
police
officer
maybe
did
not
commit,
did
not
committed
the
committed
the
act,
but
it
wasn't
misconduct.
So
again,
it's
really
important
to
get
that
all
the
data
points
in
these
investigations.
M
J
M
Yeah
the
final
questions,
and
it
was
on
the
contract,
whether
your
contract
was
kind
of
impeding
things
in
terms
of
your
your
board,
but
also
engagement.
Just
in
terms
of
changing
the
culture,
so
nypd
clearly
there's
a
reputation
there,
a
national
reputation
have
you
guys
seen
locally
some
culture
change,
that's
it
for
me,
madam
chair.
Thank
you
thank.
A
J
Briefly,
although
we
oversee
the
nypd,
it's
really
important
to
have
a
working
relationship
with
the
department
which
I
feel
that
we
have
in
in
engaging
conversations
around
policing
in
sharing
information
on
a
macro
level,
but
also
on
a
micro
level
meeting
regularly
with
the
department
with
changes
in
the
in
the
patrol
guide
patrol
guide,
et
cetera.
What
I
can
speak
on
in
terms
of
relations
and
oversight
with
the
public.
It's
really
important
for
us
to
take
responsibility
for
building
that
trust.
J
So
if
a
civilian
feels
that
you
know
they
don't
hear
from
us
in
a
prompt
manner,
that's
something
that
we
take
very
seriously.
If
there
are
civilians
that
didn't
even
know
that
we
exist,
we
want
to
meet
them
where
they
are
so
we
one
example
is
that
we
started
a
ccrb
court
side
where
we
go
to
basketball
courts,
football
fields
with
a
validator
in
that
community,
directly
just
sharing
information
that
we
exist
if
they've
experienced
misconduct.
So
there
are
multiple
ways
and
we
can
talk
offline
about
how
to
really
build
those
community
relations.
J
O
Thank
you,
madam
chair.
I
had
a
couple
questions
around
what
what
complaints
would
be
mediated,
but
I
think
I
think
larry
anson
answered
those
questions
and
and
larry
also
brought
up
another
point
and
and
not
necessarily
for
this
panel
off
or
for
even
this
hearing
would
be
what
the
cost
of
setting
up
basically
a
whole
new
city
department
would
be.
Would
that
department
fall
under
the
police
department?
O
You
know
so,
maybe
as
we're
moving
forward
thinking
about
finances,
we're
thinking
about
what
this
this
may
cost
brian
core
you've
been
very
informative.
Thank
you
very
much
and
miss
alvarez.
Thank
you
for
coming
today
and
and
so
the
concurrence
rate.
What
would
you
say
the
percentage
of
the
concurrence
rate
when
do
when
does
the
police,
commissioner
and
the
board?
When
do
they
agree
like
what
percentage
you
think?
Is
it
a
high
percentage
or
low
percentage.
J
O
Figures
for
it:
okay,
okay,
thank
you
and,
and
just
to
answer
to
mr
mandrell
there
from
the
lawyers
with
civil
rights.
He
said,
the
the
police
have
no
no
way
in
dealing
with
people
with
mental
health,
but
I
think
we
spoke
to
that
this
year
with
the
best
clinicians,
so
hopefully
that's
something
that
that
will
start
to
get
better
in
the
city
of
boston.
Thank
you,
madam
chair.
O
That's
all
just
more
comments
and-
and
I
would
like
to
somehow
as
we
go
through
this
process
and
if
it's
when
and
if
it
comes
to
a
vote
that
that
we're
taking
into
account
the
the
finances
around
this,
what
is
this
going
to
cost
when
the
vote
is
happening
again?
That's
not
necessarily
for
today,
but
if
we
could,
if
we
could
keep
an
eye
on
that,
thank
you.
A
What's
going
on
and
what's
going
on,
no
matter
what
that
there
is
just
to
be
clear
with
folks
how
this
process
works,
the
city,
council
or
the
mayor
may
propose
a
new
department,
but
they
need
each
other
in
order
to
create
it.
So
this
needs
to
be
passed
with.
The
mayor
needs
to
be
passed
with
the
mayor
or
if
the
mayor
was
to
propose
something,
he
would
need
to
be
passing
it
with
us.
So
this
is
going
to
be
a
joint
back
and
forth
effort.
A
Just
so
people
understand
our
charter
and
how
this
works
and
then
finally,
we
wanted
to
make
the
the
question.
I
think
that
frank
has
a
counselor
baker.
Excuse
me
is
how
much
would
it
cost?
I
do
believe
you
know
one
of
the
worst
things
that
we
could
do
is
set
something
up
and
not
provide
a
sufficient
budget
for
it,
and
then
we
look
at
it
and
are
proud
of
the
piece
of
paper
that
it's
on
and
it
doesn't
do
anything.
A
So
I
just
want
to
be
clear.
Those
are
that's
what
I'm
seeing
as
the
request
recommendations,
suggestions,
thoughts,
and
I
think
that
those
are
things
that
we
would
take
to
us
to
a
working
session.
Looking
at
the
current
proposed
language
talking
with
the
administration
and
talking
also
with,
I
believe,
there's
several
co-op
members
listening
right
now
to
this
this
hearing
as
well
and
the
question
is:
what
do
we
change
co-op
into
something
else,
or
do
we
create
a
whole
new
entity?
A
A
H
My
pleasure,
it's
good
to
be
here.
My
name
is
matt
allen.
I'm
field
director
of
the
aclu
of
massachusetts
and
I'd
like
to
thank
councillor
campbell
for
the
invitation
to
speak
here
and
councillors,
campbell,
mia
and
arroyo
for
inviting
the
aclu
well
for
for
making
this
ordinance
and
the
chemical
as
a
whole,
really
for
your
efforts
to
increase
police
accountability
in
boston.
H
I
want
to
start
by
mentioning
that
the
aclu
has
taken
the
position
of
divesting
from
police
and
investing
in
community
services
to
address
the
underlying
needs
that
we
currently
respond
to
with
police,
such
as
poverty,
mental
health
issues
and
substance,
use,
disorder
and
trauma.
This
proposal
could
require
increasing
funding
for
the
department
it
will.
It
will-
and
that
may
be
seen
as
antithetical
to
that
goal
of
divesting,
but
it
is
clear
if
the
city
is
going
to
move
forward
with
a
civilian
review
board.
It's
important
that
it's
done
right.
H
So
it's
more
than
just
a
symbolic
body
and
to
that
at
the
aclu
has
identified
several
factors
which
are
essential
in
the
creation
and
operation
of
an
effective
civilian
review
board.
Some
of
those
include
a
board
majority
nominated
by
civic
organizations,
independent
investigatory
authority,
ensuring
that
discipline
sticks,
audit
policies
and
practices
and
public
access
in
reporting
and
in
the
interest
of
time.
I
just
want
to
focus
on
a
few
of
these
areas,
since
the
ordinance
as
a
whole
clearly
includes
some
best
practices
garden
from
around
the
country
and
is
does
good
job.
H
We've
heard
a
lot
about
the
necessity
of
having
submission
power,
and
this
is
something
that
aclu
agrees
is
important,
including
the
ability
to
subpoena
internal
police
disciplinary
documents
and
to
compel
people
to
testify
a
common
failing
of
civilian
review
boards
across
the
country.
That
is
that
they
have
focused
exclusively
on
individual
cases.
H
So
the
key
here
is
ensuring
that
the
board
is
not
just
looking
at
individual
cases,
but
but
really
at
trends,
and
this
has
been
achieved
in
some
other
jurisdictions,
sometimes
by
including
an
inspector
general
whose
job
it
is
to
look
for
patterns
of
many
complaints
and
investigate
those.
If
those
are
the
result
of
a
policy
shift
or
an
unwritten
policy,
so
we
don't
necessarily
need
the
position
of
a
so-called
inspector
general.
It
looked
like
in
new
york.
H
The
senior
advisor
has
many
policy
people
under
senior
advisor
also
looking
at
reviewing
data,
so
so
that
responsibility
could
be
included
there.
I
think
it
is
advisable
to
have
this
ordinance
explicitly
mentioned,
that
review
and
suggesting
improvements
to
police
department
policies
and
practices
does
fall
under
the
purview
of
this
board.
H
The
problem
with
policing
is,
it's
often
not
just
individual
officers,
but
a
culture
of
the
institution
that
creates
problems
and
to
the
extent
the
institution
allows
for
individual
officers
to
be
engaged
in
racially
disparate
policing
practices.
It's
important
that
the
board's
authority
covers
not
only
the
acts
of
the
individual
officers,
but
the
overall
culture
and
processes
of
the
department.
H
It's
in
this
context,
I'm
a
little
concerned
that,
while
the
ordinance
requires
that
the
race
of
complaints
be
tracked
and
publicly
reported,
it
does
not
explicitly
say
that
the
records
will
be
analyzed
and
examined
for
racial
disparities,
with
the
intent
of
allowing
the
board
to
make
these.
You
know
policy
recommendations
to
reduce
disparities.
H
H
I
think
that's
a
good
solution.
We
heard
from
some
other
jurisdictions
of
let
that
glock
start
after
that
case
is
resolved
and
then
finally,
there's
a
lot
of
good
measures
in
the
ordinance
about
public
transparency.
The
the
earnest
mints
mentioned.
You
know
monthly
public
meet
the
quarterly
public
meetings
those
could
be
potentially
held
as
often
as
monthly.
We
want
to
make
sure
there
are
open
sessions
where
residents
can
raise
concerns
and,
of
course
it's
got
to
be
easy.
It's
easy
to
file
those
complaints.
H
A
A
U
G
U
You
ready
so
good
morning.
Everyone
thank
you
for
those
who
have
taken
part
in
creating
this
civilian,
this
this
legislation
to
those
who
have
presented
so
first
and
foremost.
I
think
I'm
happy
that
I
was
allowed
to
be
part
of
this.
This
hearing,
because
too
often
over
the
last
few
months,
we've
heard
a
lot
of
conversation
around
police
legislation,
reform
and
we've
not
been
part
of
the
conversation.
So
I'm
always
happy
and
thankful.
U
I'm
allowed
to
be
part
of
the
conversation,
so
I
think
for
most
officers-
and
I
know
the
ones
that
I've
spoken
today
I
represent
at
mamleo.
Their
biggest
concern
is
that
there
is
some
context
and
insight
given
to
those
who
are
going
to
be
part
of
this
civilian
review
board.
Policing
is
one
of
those
things
that
we
kind
of
most
people
see
from
the
outside
and
until
you
take
part
of
it
until
you
take
part
in
it
all
too
often,
people
don't
understand
the
things
that
we
do
and
why
we
do
it.
U
So
I'm
thankful
for
that
and
I
think
the
other
issue
as
far
as
is
impartiality
when
appointing
the
people
who
are
going
to
be
on
the
civilian
review
board.
I
think,
over
the
last
few
months,
we've
seen
a
lot
of
people
who
have
clearly
demonstrated
and
expressed
negative
attitudes
and
disdain
for
police
officers.
So
I
get
that
those
people
may
be
angry
and
frustrated
by
some
of
the
stuff
they've
seen.
But
I
think
it's
also
important
that
we
put.
U
U
I
think
I
understand
the
need
for
reform
and
policing
and
we
are
very
happy
to
be
part
of
the
conversation
because,
like
I
said
all
too
often,
not
only
not
only
are
we
left
out
of
the
conversation
as
police
officers
as
black
men
who
walk
through
life,
primarily
as
black
men,
and
I
think
all
too
often
people
see
police
officers
being
anti-reform.
We
welcome
reform.
U
So
we
support
the
reforms,
so
my
concerns
have
been
based
on
some
of
the
research
I've
done,
and
I
know
the
globe
came
out
with
a
did
a
an
article
a
few
months
ago,
and
there
was
a
lot
of
complaints
about
the
percentage
of
iad
complaints
that
are
sustained.
When
I
did
research,
it
seemed
like
11
11,
somewhere
around
10
to
12
percent,
seemed
to
be
the
national
average
in
terms
of
complaints
that
was
sustained.
U
So
if
any
of
those
individuals
from
either
cambridge
or
new
york,
miss
alvarez
from
new
york
could
speak
to
the
percentage
of
complaints
that
was
sustained.
I'd
be
happy
to
I'd,
be
happy
to
hear
that.
I
think
you
know
the
other
piece
is
that
there's
a
lot
of
concern
about
officers
due
process
rights
in
terms
of
the
ability
to
appeal
to
the
findings
from
the
findings
of
civilian
review
board?
I
think
it's
absolutely
crucial.
I
know
we
know
that
due
process
is
a
big
part
of
our
rights
in
this
country.
U
Last
week
we
clearly
we
saw
a
huge
parade
on
talbot
ave
and
I
spoke
to
it
beforehand.
I
had
a
conversation
with
the
community
activist.
I
said
the
first
thing
that
happens
when
we
go
there
to
break
up
these
huge
gatherings.
Somebody
alleges
discrimination
right
and
sure
enough.
The
next
day
there
were
some
cunemo
community
members
who
said
well.
The
boston
police
doesn't
care
about
black
folks,
not
thinking
about
the
alternative
would
have
been
for
us
to
go
in
there.
Heavy-Handed
and
the
response
would
have
been
look.
U
U
It's
based
on
fact:
I've
been
called
racist
by
people
who
I
am
probably
a
lot
less
racist
than
they
are,
so
we
have
to
be
mindful
about
what
kind
of
processes
we
play
we
put
in
place
to
be
to
allow
some
of
these
complaints
to
be
filtered
out
so
that
this
agency
doesn't
become
overwhelmed.
I
think
ms
alvarez
spoke
to
the
idea
that
complaints
were
up
substantially
and
it
it
slows
down
how
quickly
they're
able
to
process
some
of
these
complaints
and
concerns.
U
If
you
will
so
absolutely-
and
I
think
the
other
piece
is
this
idea
of
how
long
we
should
allow
cases
to
come
in
how
long
after
the
fact
that's
something
we'll
have
to
take
a
look
at,
but
I
think
again,
if
you
are
filing
your
case
to
civilian
review
board
and
you
have
a
criminal
matter
pending,
I
would
assume
that
that
would
be
a
non-issue.
The
civilian
review
board
could
still
look
at
all
the
facts
and
circumstances
without
any
bias
as
to
whether
or
not
you
have
a
criminal
case
pending.
A
A
S
S
S
S
I
think
one
thing
that
we
have
to
take
into
account
when
we're
talking
about
the
civilian
review
board
is
that
we
don't
reinvent
the
wheel.
I
think
it's
important
to
work
with,
like
the
co-op
board
or
the
investment
panel,
to
try
to
make
sure
that
that
we're
not
reinventing
things.
I
feel
like
so
me
personally,
I've
I've
started
work
in
the
nonprofit
sector
with
jago
and
then
separately,
working
with
homeless
and
hunger
awareness,
and
I
find
that
oftentimes
in
the
nonprofit
sector.
S
We
have
these
and
I'm
sure
you
guys
are
have
all
worked
with
it,
but
you
have
all
these
organizations
that
are
trying
to
do
like
their
ultimate
goal
is
the
same
thing
but
they're
all
working
separately.
So
it's
almost
like
they're
working
against
each
other
because
they
want
they
want
either.
The
credit
or
they
want
the
the
funding,
which
is
obviously
a
big
thing
in
the
nonprofit
sector.
So
I
think
it's
important
that
we
don't
try
to
reinvent
something
that's
already
there.
Instead,
instead,
we
could
just
work
together
to
make
it
better.
S
So
that's
that
and
then
to
get
it
right
into
the
civilian
review
board,
just
some
of
the
things
that
that
I
notice
again
with
like
the
statute
of
limitation,
I
think
that
six
months
is
a
long
time.
I
like
what
they're
doing
in
cambridge
when
it's
30
days
in
boston,
our
cameras
at
minimum
are
said
to
be
deleted
at
30
days.
So
if
there
is
a
statute
of
limitation,
that's
six
months
now,
there's
there's
evidence.
S
S
Now,
let's
say
that
someone
comes
in
and
says:
oh
well,
this
police
officer
said
this,
and
now
it's
a
he
said
she
said
thing
versus
just
taking
what's
on
camera
and
being
able
to
use
that
for
for
proof
for
both
sides,
so
I
think
that's
important
to
look
at
for
the
statute
of
limitation,
maybe
looking
at
it
from
a
perspective
of
it
depends
on
what
the
complaint
is.
I
think
thank
you
for
for
new
york
city
for
coming
in
today.
I
think
it's
great
what
they're
doing
over
there.
S
S
I
believe
that
if
we
work
together,
we
can
really
combat
these
issues
that
we
truly
do
have,
and
it's
not
to
say
that
as
a
police
officer,
I
see
them
internally
as
a
person
of
color.
I
see
them
externally.
So
I
know
that
we
have
these
issues,
but
I
think
that
the
biggest
thing
that
we
have
here
in
boston
is
that
we
are
such
a
small
city
with
a
neighborhood
feel
and
we
are
one
or
two
degrees
of
separation
from
policing
from
city
councillors
from
businesses.
S
So
I
think
that
we
have
a
unique
opportunity
to
really
be
an
example
for
the
rest
of
the
city,
and
I
think
excuse
me
for
the
rest
of
the
country,
and
I
really
think
that
we
should
take
that
into
account
I'll
leave
it
at
that
for
now
and
obviously
open
to
any
questions
and
and
hoping
to
continue
working
with.
All
of
you.
V
V
So
hi,
my
name
is
darwin
seravia
and
I'm
a
student
in
boston,
and
I
first
I
want
to
thank
counselor
mejia
for
inviting
me
to
be
here.
I
feel
really
privileged
to
be
here
representing
the
youth
of
boston,
so
I
want
to
go
right
into
the
way
this
ordinance
could
possibly
change
the
lives
of
so
many
young
people
in
boston.
V
I've
grown
up
in
black
and
brown
communities
all
of
my
life
and
I'm
no
stranger
to
the
fear
that
the
police
instill
in
these
communities.
From
the
shocking
videos
on
social
media
to
the
brutal
experiences
lived
by
many
young
people
in
these
communities,
it
begins
to
seem
like
the
people
meant
to
protect.
You
are
working
against
you.
V
There
have
been
many
sleepless
nights
worrying
for
the
lives
of
loved
ones.
My
friends
have
told
me
countless
stories
about
being
mistreated
by
the
police
and
they
always
seem
to
stick
with
me
when
a
young
person
experiences
mistreatment
from
the
police.
It
creates
this
image
in
their
head
of
what
the
police
is
like
and
they
go
on
forever
changed
by
these
experiences.
V
Young
people
often
have
a
hard
time
finding
their
voice.
It
can
be
so
hard
speaking
up
when
it
feels
like
the
whole
world
is
against
you.
Many
situations
leave
young
people
feeling
powerless
like
they
have
no
one
to
turn
to,
and
no
one
that
cares
about
the
trauma
that
they've
endured,
not
to
mention
that
they
have
to
go
to
school,
where
there
are
most
likely
officers
patrolling
the
hallways.
V
Youth
already
have
bad
experiences
with
police,
then
have
to
go
into
safe
spaces
and
relive
that
trauma.
This
ordinance
creates
the
opportunity
for
these
stories
of
injustice
to
be
heard.
It
gives
hope
to
all
of
the
young
people
who
feel
like
they
don't
have
a
voice
and
justice,
and
it
creates
a
way
to
ease
the
tensions
between
police
and
communities.
A
Thank
you
so
much
for
coming
and
your
testimony
is
wonderful.
So
we're
going
to
do
what
we
did
before
we'll
ask
that
all
the
panelists
and
speakers
stay
on,
and
the
city
councils
will
take
some
time
and
ask
you
all
some
questions
for
those
of
you
who
again
we're
gonna.
We
have
a
hard
stop
in
order
to
give
central
staff
a
break
and
also
to
help
our
as
we
gear
up
for
a
three
o'clock
hearing.
A
I
Thank
you,
madam
chair,
and
thank
you
to
all
the
panelists
for
being
on
this
panel
and
frankly,
thank
you
guys
for
being
a
little
bit
more
patient
as
we
got
through
panel
one.
I
always
think
we
want
to
respect
people's
time,
but
your
voice
is
absolutely
valued
in
this
space,
including
our
young
people,
darwin.
So
thank
you
so
much
for
being
here.
Madame
chair,
I
know
we're
in
a
hard
stop.
I
engage
with
the
folks
offline
with
respect
to
this
as
well.
I
E
C
C
C
G
So
my
question
is
going
to
start
off
with
you
darren.
If
you
could
tell
me,
there's
been
some
conversation
about
whether
or
not
young
people
should
actually
have
a
seat
at
the
table
and
whether
or
not
youth
should
be
a
part
of
the
actual
civilian
review
board.
So
I
would
just
be
curious
to
hear
from
you.
G
You
know
the
the
right
now,
the
age
that
we're
proposing
is
18
to
21.,
to
see
to
be
fit
to
serve
on
the
board
as
a
voting
member,
which
means
that
you
would
not
only
just
be
in
the
the
the
seat,
you
would
actually
have
an
opportunity
to
vote,
and
so
there's
been
some
questions
about
what
would
be
the
appropriate
age
and
I'm
just
curious.
What
do
you
think
would
be
the
the
age
that's
mature
enough
to
sit
on
this
board,
and
can
you
tell
us
why
or
why
not?
G
V
I
definitely
think
that
it's
important
to
have
youth
in
these
kind
of
things,
because,
if
we're
expecting
these
people
to
lead
us
in
the
future,
then
we
need
to
prepare
them
to
lead
us
and
we
need
to
have
them
in
these
conversations
to
be
able
to
prepare
them.
For
you
know,
taking
up
the
jobs
that
will
soon
be
vacant
and
yeah,
I
think
18
to
25
to
21
would
be
a
good
age
to
start.
G
And
what
kind
of
what
so,
given
your
testimony-
and
you
know
there
are
a
lot
of
young
people
who
already
have
some
fear
or
they
may
feel
like
you
know
they
already
are
walking
into
the
space
with
some
biases
about
like
their
own
personal
lived
experience
like
what
type
of
training
would
you
think
and
preparation
would
stu?
Would
young
people
need
to
be
able
to
sit
in
this
space.
V
Trying
to
you,
know
it's
like
grow
and
like
teach
more
people
about
stuff,
and
I
think
that
a
lot
of
the
time
when
we're
trying
to
teach
young
people
about
police
it
can
get
really
skewed,
especially
now
because
of
all
of
the
you
know,
bias
that
young
people
have
towards
the
police
because
of
social
media
because
of
the
news,
because
of
yeah
et
cetera.
So
I
think
that
just
training
on
I
don't
know
like
being
with
the
police.
B
V
G
G
H
You
know
that's
that
that
is
what
I
spoke
to
with
the
community
nominating
process.
If
there
is
a
way
to
involve
you
know,
civic
organizations
and
nominating
members
of
the
board,
so
that
there
is
it's
clear
that
this
is
not
just
a
bunch
of
figureheads.
I
know
that
would
not
be
true,
even
if
the
council
nominated
everyone,
but
it's
a
matter
of
appearance
being
reality
in
politics.
H
You
know,
I
believe,
atlanta,
baltimore
and
newark
all
have
boards
where
there
is
some
community
organizations,
some
civic
organizations
involved
in
that
process-
and
you
know
I
think
there
will
be
when
this
board
is
up
and
running
and
we're
able
to
have
those
periodic
quarterly,
if
not
monthly,
public
sessions
where
people
are
able
to
speak,
and
these
statistics
are
presented.
That's
also
going
to
go
a
long
way
towards
building
trust
in
the
community.
H
As
you
know,
and
as
I
mentioned,
the
aclu
has
worked
for
years
to
get
the
boston
police
department
to
regularly
publish
their
style
for
frisk
data.
We
got
it
a
few
years
ago
after
threatening
lawsuits,
and
then
it
was
supposed
to
be
published
regularly
still
has
not
gone
up
gone
up
regularly,
so
we're
looking
into
that
again.
A
A
A
W
E
Apologies.
Thank
you.
Thank
you
answer
edwards.
I
just
had
one
quick
question
that
we
touched
on
briefly.
You
know
there's
a
lot
of
data
being
collected,
especially
in
new
york.
I
was
wondering
if
the
data
is
actually
being
used
to
inform
changes
in
policy
or
training
methods
within
the
department
in
new
york
as
a
sort
of
a
feedback
loop.
Is
there
a
feedback
loop
that
will
will
analyze
the
the
data
and
then
help
inform
practice
to
improve
policies
and
procedures.
E
J
J
Yes,
thank
you
for
joining
us
and
just
I
really
want
to
say,
I
feel
I
feel
very
encouraged
by
the
specificity
of
the
new
york
example
today
and
the
opportunity
to
really
think
through
what
it
looks
like
and
what
it
looks
like
at
scale
right
for
a
city
that's
way
way
bigger
than
ours.
I
think
you
know
that
this
question
of
how
to
make
sure
that
any
discipline,
whether
civilians
are
responded,
are
involved
in
it
or
not,
has
purchased.
J
It's
still
a
real
critical
issue
here
for
us
in
boston,
and
I
also
I
just
want
to
just
want
to
add
that
I
I
really
echo
counselor
edwards's
perspective
about
you
know
the
fact
that
reality
is
creating
anything
new
here
needs
the
cooperation
of
the
administration
and
this
council
together,
and
I
really
hope
that
we
can
figure
out
how
to
do
that,
and
I
think
I
think
I
just
want
to
underscore
it's
come
up
a
lot.
The
the
fact
that
this
is
a
conversation
we've
been
having
for
a
while.
J
I
was
googling
something
a
few
days
ago
and
found
an
article
where
wayne
budd
was
recommending
a
civilian
review
board
for
the
boston
police
department
29
years
ago
in
1991
and
being
criticized
at
the
time
by
the
patrolmen's
association.
For
that
recommendation-
and
I
you
know,
I
just
think
that
we
have
to
get
off
a
merry-go-round
and
really
really
make
some
some
forward
progress
here.
So
I
hope
that's
something
that
we
can
do
together
in
the
in
the
coming
weeks
and
months.
So,
thank
you
so
much.
Madam
chair.
Thank.
M
Very
brief,
thank
you
so
much
madam
chair
and
I
apologize
my
laptop
died,
so
I
missed
part
of
the
presentation
for
this
second
panel,
but
really
just
wanted
to
extend
my
gratitude
and
appreciation
for
everyone's
work.
This
panel,
the
last
panel,
the
makers,
my
colleagues
and
you,
madam
chair,
I
do
have
to
run
for
a
1
30
call,
and
I
appreciate
my
colleagues,
councillor
flynn
and
councillor
sabi
george,
for
letting
me
go
out
of
turn.
Thank
you,
madam
chair.
K
K
But
I
think
sometimes
we
don't
know
about
the
great
stories
as
well
about
all
the
police
that
are
in
our
neighborhoods
trying
to
build
positive
relationships
with
so
many
people
and
young
people,
especially,
but
as
we
have
this
conversation,
I
also
think
it's
important
to
highlight
how
we're
going
to
continue
building
bridges
and
building
relationships
between
our
police
officers
and
and
our
young
people
in
our
city.
I
want
to
say
thank
you
to
councillor
edwards
and
the
makers
as
well.
N
So
I
I
do
appreciate
the
sort
of
the
thoroughness
of
the
diversity
of
those
that
are
here
and
in
the
discussion
today.
But
do
I
think
in
council
flynn
alluded
to
this
or
sort
of
directly
said
this,
that
it
is
important
that
our
members
of
the
boston
police
department
are
also
included
in
this,
because
the
policies
need
to
be
effective
and
impactful,
and
I
think
they
are
certainly
their
opinion
and
their
thought
and
their
constructive
criticism
of
anything
that
is
put
together
is
important
to
understand
and
to
note
for
that
work
to
be
successful.
N
So
I
think
that
I
think
that
having
the
I
my
message
here
to
right
now
is
just
to
to
thank
the
the
makers
and
the
chair
for
making
sure
that
we
have
the
diversity
of
opinion
at
the
table
and
in
particular
I
want
to.
I
want
to
note
that
officer
hernandez
has
been
heard
and
his
commentary
has
been
heard
as
well.
Thank
you,
madam
chair.
That's
it
for
me.
A
W
Thank
you
so
much.
I
just
want
to
thank
the
panelists.
I
figure.
If
everybody's
signing
off
at
this
point,
it's
1
30.
It
started
at
11
that
I
probably
don't
have
a
question
that
hasn't
been
asked
already
and
so
I'll
just
rewatch
the
tape.
But
I
do
want
to
thank
the
panelists
for
being
here,
especially
our
officers
for
taking
time
out
of
the
day
to
be
at
this.
So
thank
you
to
all
of
you.
U
I
did
just
one
real
quick
comment
before
we
end
up
again.
Thank
you
for
allowing
me
to
be
part
of
this
hearing.
I
just
wanted
to
point
out.
I
know
too
often
over
the
last
few
months
we've
pulled
when
I
say
we,
I
think
people
who
are
in
the
public
space
some
legislators
pull
from
people
who
have
very
adverse
interactions
with
the
police.
I
know
over
the
summer
the
boston
police
department
and
myself
included
as
part
of
the
community
service
office,
ran
a
number
of
programs
for
young
people.
U
I
have
yet
to
hear
anybody
mention
those,
nor
were
any
of
those
individuals
who
often
talk
negatively
about
us
ever
reached
out
to
us
to
come
and
talk
to
these
young
people.
So
I
think
it's
important
when
we,
when
we
talk
about
absolutely
there
is
need
for
change,
but
we
need
to
be
mindful
that
we
don't
always
pull
those
people
with
negative
opinions
of
the
police.
We
do
a
ton
of
programming
we
reach
out
to
thousands
of
kids
across
the
city
on
a
regular
basis.
U
Thousands
who
would
who
would
tell
you
about
the
positive
impact
we've
had
on
their
lives.
I
have
letters
emails
cards.
I
can
show
it's
important
that
when
we
have
these
panels
we
don't
just
necessarily
pull
from
those
people
who
have
been
negatively
impacted
by
the
police.
I
go
to
community
meetings
all
week
and
I
know
oftentimes
when
I
hear
people
in
these
public
spaces
talk
negatively
about
the
police,
but
those
same
people
reach
out
to
us
when
they
need
things
in
the
community.
It's
important
that
we
have
those
voices
heard.
U
Unfortunately,
although
most
of
those
people
who
are
in
the
medium
right,
those
people
who
get
up
every
day
go
to
work,
come
home
and
rely
on
the
public
on
the
boston
police
to
make
sure
that
they
can
go
outside
with
their
kids,
who
that
they
can
walk
through
their
hallways
those
people,
necessarily
their
voices
are
not
necessarily
being
heard
because
guess
what,
when
they
come
home,
they're
busy
getting
their
family
ready,
get
ready
for
work
the
next
day.
Those
are
important
voices.
We
need
to
hear
we
don't
I
get
it,
I
get
it.
U
We
need
to
do
the
work,
but
we
also
need
to
be
mindful
about
a
large,
probably
the
majority
of
the
population
who
don't
have
negative
perceptions
of
police.
We
need
to
hear
those
voices
and
we
need
to
do
things
that
that
can
need
to
do
things
that
will
minimize
their
concerns
on
everyday
level.
Things
such
as
public
safety
that
they
can
come
in
their
house
without
having
10
20
people
sitting
on
their
stairs,
because
guess
what?
When
that
happens?
U
Nobody
sees
that,
but
the
police,
so
I
just
wanted
to
end
off
with
that.
I
appreciate
the
opportunity
to
speak,
but
I
think
too
often
people
want
to
focus
and
pull
in
those
voices
who
who
just
talk
negatively
at
the
police,
and
I
get
it.
We
have
to
have
those
voices,
but
I
have
yet
to
hear
anybody
pull
in
somebody
who
has
said
anything
positive
about
the
police
and
those
people.
I
would,
I
would
venture
to
say,
outnumber
those
who
have
the
net
perception
of
the
police.
I
will
end
on
that.
Thank
you
very
much.
A
Thank
you
very
much
again.
I
had
mentioned
before
our
proceeding
next
steps,
I'm
just
going
to
review
them
and
quick
summaries
of
the
discussion
points
for
this
ordinance
before
I
go
into
that.
I
did
want
to
address
and
make
sure
people
understand
the
point
of
this
ordinance
and
several
civilian
review
board.
This
is
not
a
question
of
good
or
bad
police.
This
is
a
question
of
open
or
transparent
process,
and
for
many
people
the
current
process
is
not
bringing
that.
This
is
not
a
question.
A
This
is
not
questioning
how
hard
police
officers
work
that
they
put
their
lives
on
the
line.
This
actually
has
not
majority
of
police
officers.
Most
likely
will
have
nothing
to
do
with
the
civilian
review
board
because,
as
officer
crispin
put
out,
many
of
them
just
do
want
to
protect
people
and
go
home,
but
this
is
not
about
then
judging
how
they
do
their
jobs.
This
is
a
question
of
whether,
when
they
don't
do
their
jobs,
those
in
particular
individuals
don't
do
it.
A
In
the
language
we
had
subpoena
powers,
independent
structure,
independent
access,
disciplinary
recommendations,
language
access,
appointment,
powers
from
the
the
mayor,
the
city
council
and,
as
matt
allen
mentioned,
possibly
city
of
civic
group
data,
making
sure
that
we
have
constant
and
consistent
data
collection,
demographic
for
the
police
and
the
and
the
folks
who
are
filing
the
complaint.
We
wanted
to
make
sure
that
we
knew
where
the
money,
how
much
it's
going
to
cost
to
make
this
truly
effective
and
also
where
that
money
is
going
to
come
from
fair
question.
A
Considering
we're
looking
at
a
decrease
in
some
of
our
income
audit
powers,
I
think
matt
allen
mentioned,
and
also
one
thing
I
think
is
worth
mentioning
and
considering
is
when
it
comes
to
young
people
who
might
be
following
a
concern
and
they
would
have
to
go
to
first
confess
or
talk
to
their
parents.
There's
a
layer
of
trust,
and
we
don't
know
what
the
person
was
up
to
that
they
may
have
been
in
a
situation.
A
I
think
we
should
consider
a
longer
period
for
younger
people
for
children,
basically
about
whether
they
should
come
forward
so
and
how
how
we
look
at
the
statute
of
limitations
and
to
add
also
to
the
list
from
the
officer
eddie
crispin,
who
we
pull
from
and
their
perceptions
of
the
police
matter,
whether
they're
all
negative
or
whether
they're
all
positive
or
whether
they're
just
completely
neutral
and
making
sure
that
we
pull
from
a
perspective.
That
is
not
solely
anti-police
and
whoever
is
pulling
and
looking
at
the
the
structure
that
we
create.