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From YouTube: Redistricting Working Session on September 30, 2022
Description
Docket #1098 - A working session regarding the adoption of City Council redistricting principles.
A
A
Written
comments
may
be
sent
to
the
committee
email
at
CCC,
redistricting
dot,
redistricting
at
boston.gov
and
will
be
made
a
part
of
the
record
and
available
to
all
counselors.
Since
this
is
a
working
session,
there
will
not
be
any
public
opportunities
for
public
comment
at
this
time.
Today's
working
session
is
on
dockets
1098
order
for
the
adoption
of
the
city
council
redistricting
principles.
A
A
We
have
worked
on
those
and
we
reached
consensus
that
we
would
Place
those
those
split
precincts
in
the
district,
and
that
is
the
basis
of
our
conversation
based
on
what
we
call
a
baseline
map
that
that
placed
those
split
precincts
in
districts
temporarily
or
just
as
a
basis
for
a
conversation
on
drawing
a
new
map.
So
yesterday
we
had
a
very
well
attended
public
hearing
one.
A
The
set
this
the
consensus
and
the
feedback
they
got
from
the
public
meeting
was
the
in
in
Need
for
increased
Community
engagement
to
ensure
that
the
process
was
transparent
and
inclusive,
and
the
understanding
is
that
we
appreciate
the
fact
that
we
need
to
and
engage
further
with
our
communities,
but
we
also
plan
on
having
further
listening
sessions
and
further
working
sessions
that
are
ex
open
and
accessible.
All
of
our
working
sessions
are
open
and
accessible
to
the
public.
B
Councilor
Baker,
thank
you,
madam
chair
I.
Just
want
to
thank
you
again
for
your
stewardship
I.
Think
that
you
and
Brian
are
doing
a
great
job.
There
was.
There
was
just
one
thing
that
was
said
yesterday
that
I
wanted
to
address
here
today.
Former
former
senator
Wilkinson
said
first
of
all,
she
said
that
I
think
well,
I
won't
even
get
into
that,
but
she
made
an
accusation
that
white
counselors
were
meeting.
That's
almost
an
accusation
of
open
meeting
law
and
it's
it's
a
pretty
serious
accusation
and
I
think
it
was
level.
B
B
There's
a
whole
lot
of
you
know
ways
that
that
there
could
be
open
meeting
law
violations
and
I
just
wanted
to
get
that
on
record,
that
that
was
a
pretty
serious
charge
that
was
was
made
here
yesterday
and
and
totally
unfounded.
So
just
at
some
point,
I
think.
Maybe
we
should
have
a
quick
discussion
on
what
open
meeting
law
in
terms
of
redistricting
means.
B
A
You
thank
you
councilor
Baker,
I
I,
just
before
you
came
into
the
room.
I
did
remind
our
colleagues
that
all
of
our
deliberations
are
subject
to
open
meeting
law
and
I
think
it
might
be
helpful
to
gets
get
it
review
that
and
give
everybody
information
to
just
get
everybody
up
to
speed
on
all
of
the
implications
of
that.
Thank
you.
C
I'm,
chair
I,
do
not
have
the
benefit
of
being
here
due
to
a
previous
scheduling
conflict,
but
I
will
say
obviously
that
if
there
was
anyone
here
casting
aspersions
towards
this
process,
particularly
your
stewardship
as
the
chair
they're,
not
in
good
faith,
we
all
know
you.
We
know
how
hard
you're
working
both
you
and
Brian
is
the
vice
chair.
C
We
know
your
character,
we
know
your
work
ethic,
we
know
your
integrity
and
we
know
that
any
of
those
types
of
accusations
is
just
something
that's
just
not
part
of
who
you
are
as
a
district
council
or
as
a
colleague
and
all
of
our
colleagues
should
be
standing
up
when
folks
are
casting
those
aspersions.
If
they
did,
I
did
not
have
the
benefit
of
being
here.
I
will
review
the
tape,
but
I
can
speak
to
that.
C
Obviously,
personally,
as
an
at-latch
counselor
and
since
you've
joined
this
body,
forget
just
your
stewardship
and
chairmanship
of
this
committee,
but
you've
been
an
absolute
pleasure
to
work
with.
You
are
a
two-way
street.
You
roll
up
the
sleeves
you
find
common
ground,
we're
not
always
you
and
I
either.
Personally,
we're
not
going
to
agree
a
thousand
percent
of
the
time,
but
we
always
find
a
way
to
try
to
work
together
because
it
isn't
about
us
it's
about
the
people.
C
We
serve
it's
about
our
constituents,
it's
it's
about
the
neighborhoods
in
the
communities
of
Boston
and
so
I
just
want
to
go
on
the
record
and
and
say
that,
from
the
time
that
I
met
you
and
started
working
with
you
and
now
even
as
chair,
you
call
it
as
you
see
it,
you
play
it
straight
up
the
middle
and
there's
no
sort
of
skullduggery
Shenanigans
anywhere
near
this
process.
You
are
taking
this
role
very
seriously.
C
You
are
listening
to
everybody
and
you're
being
as
inclusive
in
cooperative
and
in
professional
as
I've
ever
seen,
a
chair
in
my
20
years
here
in
the
Vice
City
Council.
So
again,
I
did
not
attend
yesterday,
so
I'm
not
wasn't
aware
of
any
type
of
aspersions,
but
if
they
were
casting
them,
I
can
tell
the
people
of
Boston
that
they
were
not
in
good
faith.
Thank
you,
madam
chair.
D
E
Thank
you,
chair
I,
just
want
to
Echo
that
last
night's
meeting
yesterday
afternoon,
it
seemed
like
night
was
a
great
opportunity
to
hear
from
the
public
I
really
appreciated
the
Chinatown
Community
who
came
in
and
their
translator,
who
helped
support
them,
make
sure
that
they
were
clearly
letting
us
know
what
they
need,
what
they
want,
what
they
hope
to
see
through
this
process.
So
it
was
great
to
hear
directly
from
them,
but
I
do
just
want
to
go
on
record
to
thank
you
for
your
leadership
here.
E
F
A
A
One
thing
that
was
striking
from
yesterday's
conversation
was
that
there
was
a
very
clear
message
from
the
Chinese
community
in
the
South
End
of
a
desire
to
stay
together
as
a
in
District
2,
with
the
Chinatown
they've
spent
many
decades
building
their
political
voice
and
their
political
power,
and
they
feel
that
to
Splinter
them
off
from
the
Chinatown.
Community
would
be
a
retrograde
step
and
weakening
that
weakening
their
voice.
A
And
we
also
heard
loud
and
clear
from
the
folks
in
the
Roxbury
Community
that
there
was
a
desire
to
keep
Roxbury
whole
and
also
to
maintain
our
strengthen
our
majority
minority
districts.
So
there
is
a
very
valuable
information
that
saw
that
came
in
yesterday
and
we
we
look
forward
to
continuing
this
conversation.
A
G
We
also
since
we're
doing
a
quick
breakdown,
also
acknowledge
Mr
Fox,
who
has
raised
at
the
South.
Bend
has
been
divided
amongst
different
districts
for
a
long
time
and
he
wanted
to
see
the
district
unified
as
well
in
the
South
End.
So
I
just
want
to
make
sure
we
raise
that
as
well,
that
there
are
diverse
viewpoints
around
the
south
end.
Yes,.
H
You
yeah
I
just
wanted
to
add
as
an
addendum
that
is
saying
that
I
hadn't
focused
on
and
was
sort
of
embarrassed
not
to
have
focused
on
because
I
used
to
work
at
the
Housing
Authority
was
the
fact
that
Tori
Unidad
is
also
in
the
via
Victoria
Precinct,
I.
Think
just
flagging.
That
is
something
we've
been.
H
A
Everyone
should
have
a
handout
of
all
the
districts
summary
reports.
This
is
the
when
we
incorporated
the
split
District.
This
is
what
this
is
sort
of
the
baseline
from
where
we're,
where
we're
starting
I
think
one
issue
that
we
we
recognize
is
that
there's
been
an
incredible
amount
of
development
in
and
around
the
downtown
area
that
has
caused
a
really
burgeoning
population,
especially
in
District
Two,
and
in
that
in
that
particular
it's.
A
The
the
South
Boston
Waterfront
has
added
a
lot
of
population,
but
there's
a
lot
of
other
Development
Across,
the
the
city
core,
and
it
is
putting
a
lot
of
pressure
on
on
us
to
come
up
with
solutions
to
equally
divide
the
districts
as
we're
required
to
do
by
law.
Inevitably,
we
will
see
inevitably
we'll
we'll
end
up
with
a
redistricting
map.
That
is
not
it's
hard
to
keep
everybody
happy.
So
they
will.
A
A
So
at
this
moment
I
know
counselor
Murphy
control
Royal,
you
have
you
have
proposals
in
in
the
works
that
have
been
that
have
been
presented
brought
to
brought
to
that
haven't
been
formally
discussed
in
in
our
in
our
committee
yet
but
councilor
Royal.
Would
you
like
to
just
give
us
a
brief
summary
of
what
it
is
that
you're
seeking
and
your
proposal
and
then
counselor
Murphy
I'll,
give
you
an
opportunity
to
bring
yours
in
as
well.
G
Thank
you
Madam
chair,
so
our
map
does
a
few
things.
The
reality
is,
the
population
shift
has
largely
taken
place
in
downtown
and
in
the
South
Boston
area,
and
when
you
look
at
the
map
as
it's
currently
constructed
and
try
to
actually
create
one
and
go
through
the
precincts
Precinct
by
Precinct,
to
figure
out
there's
a
pretty
quick
cascading
impact.
In
other
words,
if
you
took
the
map
and
didn't
do
what
we
did
in
ours,
which
is
unify
the
south
end.
G
G
And
so
the
goal
here
was
to
do
the
least
amount
of
disruption
as
possible
and
to
do
what
we
could
to
unify
as
many
neighborhoods
as
possible,
and
so
this
would
give
the
South
End
its
own
sort
of
map.
It
essentially
makes
it
a
South
End
door
Chester
seat
instead
of
a
South
End
South
Dorchester,
South,
Boston
sea.
It
makes
South
Boston
whole
because
it
gives
the
McCormick
projects
back.
It
keeps
one
in
nine,
almost
identical
and
eight.
It
does
something
very
similar,
I
believe
in
our
map.
G
310
is
given
to
councilor
Coletta's
District
district.
One
District
Six
is
largely
identical,
except
for
the
changing
of
28
and
21
to
further
unify
Roslindale,
as
is
done
on
this
map.
18
7
1912,
which
have
pieces
of
Roslindale
end
up
in
this
District,
but
to
make
sure
that
the
demographic
numbers
stay
true
to
what
they
were
in
the
past.
14
8
and
1414
are
held
by
District
5
and
14
5
and
18-2
to
better
unify
along
Mass
Ave
go
into
District
Four.
G
We
also
include
Lower
Mills
in
Cedar
Grove
in
District,
Four
I
know.
Cedar
Grove
has
raised
some
concerns
about
that,
but
Brandy
Fluker
Oakley's
District,
also,
who
is
a
State
Rep
who
just
went
through
the
redistricting
process
solely
has
1611,
and
so
we
don't
believe
that
splitting
it
keeps
Dorchester
seats
which
really
we
have
two
Dorchester
seats
here,
which
is
District
3
and
District
4,
as
as
it
stands
right
now,
they
both
remain
Dorchester
dominant
seats
on
this
map,
and
so
the
idea
here
is
to
create
the
least
amount
of
disruption.
G
I
think
one
of
the
things
we've
heard
quite
a
bit
is
the
separation
of
via
Victoria,
specifically
from
District
Two
And
I.
Think
what
we
were
aiming
for
on
this
map
is
the
idea
of
creating
a
district
in
District
3
that
gets
up
to
18
percent
aapi,
which
makes
it
a
dominant
percentage
of
the
population
in
that
District
that
District
being
District
three
under
this
map.
G
That
way,
and
so
for
me,
I
recognize
that
some
may
look
at
this
map
and
think
that
it's
somehow
complicated
but
I
think
you
know,
because
you've
been
working
on
the
Baseline
map
that
it
actually
gets
more
complicated.
If
you
split
up
this
out,
then-
and
don't
just
do
it
this
way-
I'm
happy
to
take
questions
or
or
discuss
it,
but
I
don't
want
to
just
keep
going
on
it.
So
I
think
that
pretty
much
gives
an
overview
of
it.
G
C
G
A
A
E
E
I
had
proposed
first
question
just
to
put
it
out
on
the
floor.
What
is
the
proper
way
to
bring
this
proposal
to
the
floor?
I
know
when
we
spoke
I
thought
the
best
way
would
be
to
share
with
colleagues
and
then
ask
at
one
of
these
working
sessions.
I
know
that
councilor
Fernandez,
Anderson
and
Arroyo
filed
it
as
a
council
hearing
I.
A
E
E
Few
things
I
just
want
to
touch
on,
and
this
is
in
general
for
any
map
that
gets
finalized
or
discussed.
There's
lots
of
different
communities
of
Interest,
there's
lots
of
different
neighborhoods
and
what
I
hear
a
lot
as
an
at-large
counselor.
Is
that
there's
communities
that
are
hoping
to
come
together
or
stay
together?
They
want
to
be
reunited
because
maybe
10
years
ago
or
never
they've,
never
been
United.
But
the
way
you
know
populations
and
communities
have
grown.
E
They
feel
like
they're
separated
by
their
city
council
districts,
but
I
mentioned
it
at
a
previous
meeting
that
there
are
some
neighborhoods
who
actually
prefer
that
they
are
represented
by
two
separate
City
councilors.
They
feel
like
they
have
more
representation.
Lower
Mills
is
an
example
of
that.
They
know
that
half
of
the
neighborhood
is
Council
overall,
the
other
half
is
councilor
Baker.
They
can
call
on
either
one
for
support
and
I
do
have
a
question
about.
E
When
counselor
Arroyo's
map
that
he's
proposing
he's
unifying
communities
that
he
chose
to
unify
and
which
communities
are
going
to
be
broken
up
because,
ultimately,
we
know,
when
you
mentioned
this
earlier,
not
every
neighborhood,
not
every
Community
is
going
to
be
able
to
either
be
reunited
or
stayed
together,
doesn't
mean
they're
not
going
to
be
represented.
And
when
we
reference
State
reps,
there
are
a
state.
Rep
has
half
the
population
that
a
city
councilor
has
so
in
the
neighborhood
of
Dorchester,
which
is
the
largest
Borough
in
the
United
States,
the
largest
neighborhood
within
a
city.
E
It's
very
big
and
we
have
two
District
councilors,
who
cover
most
of
all
of
that
that
there
are
four
state
reps
within
that
place,
so
to
compare
State
reps
to
city,
councilors
or
Senators
to
State
reps,
because
a
senator
you
know
has
four
times
as
big
of
a
population.
Also
so
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
when
we
reference,
Brandy
fluka
Oakley's
State
Rep
map
that
it
isn't
the
same
as
a
city
council
map,
but
wondering
what?
G
So,
first,
in
reference
to
the
State
Rep
seat,
the
reason
I
bring
it
up
is
because
1611,
which
is
Cedar
Grove,
had
mentioned
the
idea
that
somehow
they
were
being
splintered
off
in
some
way
shape
or
form.
That
was
abnormal
and
they
raised
the
senate
seat
and
I
just
want
to
be
clear
that
the
senate
seat,
that
they
were
being
splintered
off
into
that
they
had
an
issue
with,
was
Walter
timolty's
seat,
which
was
largely
a
Suburban
District
that
actually
covered
Milton
more
so
than
any
Boston
precincts.
G
However,
the
reason
I
brought
up
1611
is
because,
with
the
rep
seat,
1611
is
only
it's
the
only
Precinct
in
that
area,
that
is
in
the
16s
that
is
actually
in
rep
fluke
or
Oakley's
district,
and
what
that
tells
me
is
that
having
1611
and
1713
and
the
other
Dorchester
seat,
which
is
district,
14,
District
4,
is
actually
appropriate.
I,
don't
think
it's
a
splintering
to
have
that
into
District.
Four
I
think
it's
appropriate
to
do
it.
G
That
way,
when
we
talk
about
the
splintering
of
communities
of
Interest
I,
think
the
only
one
that
has
been
sort
of
dominant
and
I
think
that
it's
a
legitimate
concern
is
the
Chinatown
Community
with
the
residents
that
they
represent
as
well
in
via
Victoria.
Largely
the
CPA
has
done
really
good
work
representing
the
Chinese
Community
throughout
the
city
of
Boston,
and
so
you
end
up
with
via
Victoria
there.
The
issue
that
I
have
found
is
that,
if
you
take
those
precincts,
the
cathedral
Precinct
should
go
with
the
via
Victoria
Precinct.
G
But
I
also
believe
that
raising
the
Asian
population
in
District
3
from
15
to
18
percent,
the
aapi,
though
from
different
cultures
in
different
countries,
does
do
a
lot
to
ensure
that
District
3
will
continue
to
represent
the
Asian
population.
Well
in
that
particular
population.
Well,
but
it
also
unifies
the
south
end
in
a
way
that
it
has
has
not
been
unified.
Thank.
E
You
thank
you.
Thank
you.
One
other
thing
so
I
live
in
District
three
and
the
area
that
you
would
break
up
has
physical
boundaries.
Also,
we
have
Cedar
Grove
Cemetery
Neponset
River,
Galvin
Boulevard.
That
area
is
very
together
and
in
one
piece
and
in
my
target
deviation,
the
only
one
a
little
bit
over
2.01
would
be
Consular
box
district.
There
were
a
few
neighborhoods
there
that
just
seemed
naturally
to
stay
together
and
District.
E
3
has
always
been,
and
also
include
16
1,
to
make
sure
that
the
Vietnamese
Community,
which
has
for
a
long
time,
wanted
to
make
sure
their
whole
neighborhood
up
dot.
Ave
there
in
the
Little
Saigon
district
is
United,
which
it
does
do
and
the
breakdown
which
I
shared
with
everyone.
The
racial
demographics,
District
3
is
39
white,
18.5,
7,
black
15.9
percent,
Hispanic,
16.03
Asian
and
then
there's
three
other
and
7.3
who
identified
as
two
or
more
races.
E
E
If
we
had
a
community
meeting
where
we
asked
District
three
specifically
the
Adam's
Corner
Neponset
neighborhood,
if
they
wanted
to
be
split
by
their
District
councilor-
that
because
a
district
councilor
is
a
very
different
role
than
a
State
Rep,
a
district
councilor
is
more
in
the
community
constituent
services,
not
State,
Rep
legislative
issues
and
not
to
say
that
state
Reps
don't
do
a
lot
of
great
work
in
our
communities.
But
we
know,
as
at
Large
the
three
at
large
councils.
E
Here
we
have
all
nine
districts,
but
the
district
councils
do
a
lot
of
in
the
neighborhoods
at
the
community
meetings
at
The
Parks
at
the
schools,
and
they
really
do
their
their
one.
Neighborhood
they've
always
been
one
neighborhood,
it's
like.
If
you
cut
the
port
off,
they
would
again
feel
like
they
were
left
on
an
island
alone.
So
that
being
said,
I
hope
that
people
continue
to
look
at
the
map.
E
A
Thank
you,
councilor
Murphy,
you
know
and
I
want
to
reiterate
that
this
is
part
of
the
process.
We
are
colleagues
who
are
working
together
collaboratively
to
come
to
consensus.
Every
everybody's
proposal
has
good
points
and
then
there's
other
more
difficult
issues
that
we
have
to
sort
out
and
and
have
a
debate
about
and
figure
out.
So
you
know
I.
Thank
you
all
for
participating
in
in
good
faith
in
this
process.
B
You
thank
you,
madam
chair.
Just
a
couple
comments
on
the
Arroyo
Anderson
map.
I,
think
it
I
think
I,
don't
think
it
passed
mustard
in
terms
of
the
packing
that's
happening
in
Upham
school
and
they're,
trying
to
pack
all
of
the
the
Cape
Verdean
Community
into
District
Seven
we're
looking
to
reunite.
Well,
we
heard
we're
looking
to
reunite
Roxbury,
but
we're
going
after
Dorchester
precincts.
It
doesn't
really
Jive
and
the
term
gerrymandering
has
been
thrown
around
quite
a
bit
here.
Gerrymandering
can
also
be
used
to
hurt
a
district.
B
This
here
I
mean
if
you
look
at
it
and
you
don't
think
that
that's
gerrymandering,
I
I,
don't
know
what
I
don't
know
what
what
would
be
gerrymandering
this
to
me
with
packing
with
gerrymandering
I.
Don't
think
I
would
hope
that,
if
this
past
that
the
man,
this
man
would
would
based
on
just
those
two
things
veto
it
and
I
like
Council
Council,
Murphy's
ma'am.
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
Thank.
A
You
I
I.
Will
you
know
just
like
to
say
that
you
know
in
this
process.
As
we
come
up
with
proposals,
we
will.
We
will
seek
some
expert
analysis
and
look
at
at
our
proposed
map
so
that
that
we
get
some
external
feedback
on
on
the
compactness.
The
the
all
of
these
issues
that
we
have
to
consider
in
relation
to
the
Voting
Rights
actor,
so
that
that
a
map
that
we
will
propose
put
forward,
the
ultimate
map
will
will
be
successful
and
fast
mustard.
B
A
H
Comment
and
then
you
can
recess
yes,
I
just
I
wanted
to
make
it
so
that,
because
so
it
could
be
on
the
table
for
further
discussion
afterwards.
My
question
counselor
Arroyo
on
your
map,
is
that
it's.
It
seems
as
though
part
of
part
of
the
reason
why,
from
the
numbers
perspective,
the
three
has
to
reach
so
far
into
the
South.
H
And
yeah
so
so
then
I'm
happy
to
maybe
the
correlation
of
the
precincts
to
this
smaller
map.
I'm
I'm
messing
up
on
you
yeah,
so
so
I
guess.
My
question
is:
it
is
true
to
counselor
Baker's
point
that
all
three
of
those
are
on
the
Dorchester
side
of
the
neighborhood
lines
that
the
city
draws
and
and
when
we
were
discussing
the
Cape
Verdean
community
on
on
our
working
sessions,
I
think
in
Ward
15
it
came
up
that
they
were
basically
all
already
in
three
and
obviously
shifting
just
five
fifteen
one
over.
H
Wouldn't
do
that
so
I'm
trying
to
understand
that
piece
because
it
does
seem
to
me
like
making
D3
thin
in
that
part,
is
part
of
what's
driving
it
over
to
the
north
as
far
and
then
and
just
I
think
I
think
to
justify
that.
We
would
need
like
pretty
specific
numbers
on
the
community
of
interest
that
we
were
trying
to
unite
there.
So
I
just
wanted
to
flag
that
as
a
place.
I
A
A
Continue
the
conversation
for
another
30
minutes
or
so
and
then
adjourn
for
the
for
this
session.
I
encourage
our
colleagues
to
engage
with
the
presentations,
the
maps,
the
material
that's
on
the
table
right
now
come
with
constructive
feedback
and
questions,
and
hopefully
we'll
just
continue
this
conversation
and
and
get
to
a
good
result.
A
H
I
would
say
from
a
kind
of
Voting
Rights
Act
perspective
right,
an
interest
in
making
that
a
district,
that's
competitive
for
communities
of
color,
and
so
that
was
the
flag
for
me
was
why?
Because
we're
yes,
we're
shifting
in
your
math,
eight
one
and
nine
one
and
two
D3,
but
we're
also
shifting
out
McCormick
and
then
we're
shifting
out
this
set
of
precincts.
So
it
seems
like
we're
ending
up
with
more
of
a
wash
on
that
front
and
I
didn't
really
understand
it.
G
Question
yeah
and
I'm
happy
to
answer
this
and
then,
if
Tanya
Fernandez
Anderson,
who
represents
District
Seven,
wants
to
also
add
some
Nuance
district.
Seven
already
represents
pieces
of
Dorchester.
The
move
towards
incorporating
The
Strand
Theater,
which
is
in
those
precincts
that
you
mentioned,
is
part
of
the
calculus
and
so
I
believe
it's
in
thirteen
five,
but
Tanya
would
have
a
better
understanding
where
that
is.
We
know
that
she's
losing
the
MFA
or
rather
district
7,
is
losing
the
MFA
which
is
sort
of
a
cultural
institution.
G
Returning
the
Strand,
which
used
to
be
in
district
7
back
to
District
Seven,
is,
is
part
of
this,
as
well
as
the
other
demographic
aspects
of
this.
But
to
answer
the
question
specifically,
if
you
added
it
up
and
and
I
didn't,
do
the
calculation
very
quickly,
but
it's
maybe
somewhere
around
7
000
people
in
those
three
precincts
in
order
to
those
three
precincts
being
7:
10
13,
5,
15
1..
If
you
were
to
try
to
do
this
from
a
number
of
different
calculations.
G
So,
in
order
to
get
those
numbers
back
you
you
would
have
to
go
up
up
into
the
south
end
in
a
way
that
would
make
it
incompatible
to
essentially
do
those
lines
in
the
way
that
we
have
them.
So
you
have
to
basically
you
know,
there's
a
number
of
different,
obviously
precincts
up
there,
that
you
could
give.
G
But
it
also
has
always
represented
some
portions
of
Dorchester
and
so
I
think
adding
those
three
precincts
from
Dorchester
is
in
line
with
that,
while
also
giving
the
Strand,
which
is
located
in
those
precincts
back
to
Dorchester,
since
they
are
losing
the
MFA.
But
on
top
of
all
of
that,
you
also
asked
a
question
about
the
Cape
Verdean
Community,
specifically
and
I.
Think
Tanya
Fernandez
Anderson
can
give
sort
of
a
better
answer
on
the
allocation
of
the
Cape
Verdean
Community.
G
But
the
Cape
Verdean
Community
is
not
like
other
districts,
where
there's
sort
of
a
segregation
for
lack
of
a
better
word
or
a
concentration
of
specific
populations.
The
Cape
Verdean
Community
is
concentrated
in
a
number
of
precincts,
not
all
of
them
within
reach
of
each
other,
and
so
there
is
Cape
Verdean
community
in
a
strong
Cape
Verdean
community
in
the
three
precincts
7
10
13,
5,
15
1,
but
there's
also
okay,
Verdean
community
in
15,
2,
15,
7
and
there's
a
few
other
ones.
G
We
try
on
my
map
if
you'll
notice,
15
7
is
put
in
with
District
Four.
We
try
to
unite
the
Cape
Verdean
community
in
several
different
places,
but
one
of
the
things
here
specifically
is
is
attaching
7
7
13
5
15
1
unites
the
Cape
Verdean
Community
there
with
Cape
Verdean
members
of
the
community
who
live
further
into
Roxbury,
and
it
also
does
a
job
of
keeping
District
7's
numbers
right
now.
I
think
the
exact
number
might
be
like
35.1
percent
black.
This
gets
them
to
35.4
percent
black
and
in
terms
of
District
3.
G
It
is
true
that
the
addition
of
the
South
End
slightly
increases
their
non-people
of
color
number
from
40
to
45
percent,
but
I
think
the
fact
that
by
doing
that,
you
essentially
keep
District
Four's
racial
demographics,
the
same
you
keep
District
7's
racial
demographics
the
same
and
you
keep
District
5's
racial
demographics
almost
essentially
the
same.
It
goes
towards
sort
of
our
other
stated
goal
of
trying
to
keep
our
districts
as
racially
diverse
around
the
same
proportions
as
possible,
while
also
not
messing
up
the
compactness
of
District
Seven.
G
The
major
issue
again,
this
is
I-
don't
want
to
be
like
beating
a
dead
horse
on
this.
But
the
major
issue
is
that
when
you
get
into
Ed
Flynn's,
District
or
District
Two,
you
end
up
having
to
shed,
and
you
cannot
shed
to
you
and
you
cannot
shed
to
district
one
and
to
you
is
District
eight,
just
to
be
clear
about
the
district,
so
District
eight
is
essentially
already
at
its
limits.
G
District
one
is
already
at
its
limits,
which
only
leaves
District
3
and
district
7,
which
are
the
directly
adjacent
to
District
2
districts.
To
pick
up,
and
if
you
shed
that
much
into
District
Seven,
then
District
Seven
then
has
to
shed
a
number
of
black
precincts
in
neighborhoods
further
south.
If
you
shed
into
some
combination
of
the
two
you
end
up
splitting
the
South
End
again
and
I.
G
Think
part
of
this
was
trying
to
make
sure
that
we
kept
at
least
for
me,
make
sure
we
kept
the
racial
demographics,
essentially
in
line
made
sure
that
we
tried
to
as
much
as
we
could
unite.
Neighborhoods
I
think
the
Strand,
which
used
to
be
in
district
7,
going
back
to
district
7,
is
not
so
much
splitting
a
community
as
much
as
it's
reunifying
it
with
the
part
of
the
district
that
it
used
to
be
in
I.
G
Think
councilor,
Fernandez
Anderson,
who
represents
the
area,
could
probably
speak
more
in
Nuance
to
those
those
those
sort
of
nuances
but
I
think
from
a
statistical
just
what
the
data
says
and
what
the
data
shows.
Yes,
we
could
give
back
those
three
precincts
to
District
three,
but
then
you
would
only
be
you
would
only
essentially
be
lessening
the
amount
of
the
south
end.
G
Don't
know
if
counselor
Fernandez
Anderson
wants
to
add
anything
else
to
sort
of
the
reasoning
there,
but
that
was
the
way
to
do
it,
while
still
making
sure
that
you
weren't
creating
sort
of
a
district
that
was
so
slender
in
District,
set
in
District
three
that
it
didn't
necessarily
make
sense
to
to
do
it.
This
way,
where
you're,
where
you're,
essentially
making
a
neighborhood
Hole
by
our
version
of
doing
this.
So
that's
at
least
my
thinking.
A
J
H
Cancer
Bach
sure
yeah.
My
question
was
I
was
saying
that
in
councilor
roya's
explanation
of
the
of
the
district
part
of
the
reason
that
it
needs
to
get
District
3
all
the
way
over
to
the
South
End
is
because
it's
thinning
in
the
Dorchester
section,
because
the
map
is
proposing
moving
these
three
precincts,
15
1,
13,
5
and
7
10
over
into
your
district
and
I,
was
saying
on
the
neighborhood
map.
H
Those
are
Dorchester,
precincts
and
obviously
I
think
we
were
discussing
in
the
working
session
the
fact
that
there
was
a
significant
black
Dorchester
and
Cape
Verdian
population
existing
in
District,
3
right
now,
and
so
I
I
was
asking
sort
of
for
more
detail
on
why
those
three
precincts
were
getting
shifted
over
because
it
seems
like
in
terms
of
keeping
councilor
Baker's
District
competitive
from
communities
of
color
perspective
and
also
like
in
terms
of
compactness,
It
kind
of
seems
like
it
cuts
against
those
two
things
so
I
wanted
to
know
more
detail.
Did.
H
H
I
would
say
that,
like
that
onus
on
us
on
District,
3
and
then
also
communities
of
Interest
as
kind
of
a
a
principle
that
I
think
in
in
voting
rights,
world
has
status
in
a
way
that
institutional,
like
you
know,
points,
don't
I,
think
those
kind
of
have
to
come.
First.
So
that's
just
a
flag.
I
agree
with
you
that
everything
here
is
a
domino
effect,
and
so
it's
something
like
I
want
to
look
at
more
closely
to
think
about,
like
what
are
the
movement
options
but
I'm
just
raising
that
as
sort
of
the
flag.
J
Thank
you,
madam
chair
I
mean
I,
think
that
you'd
have
to
be
in
my
district
to
understand
how
why
the
Strand
is
a
part
of
District
Seven
I
mean
it
was
it
was
there
once
and
understanding
the
Cape
verdicting
Community
along
the
corridor?
It's
not
just
about
Cape
verdeans,
but
it's
Dominicans
and
West
Indians
along
that
Corridor
that
all
belong
where
Dudley
Street
completes,
but
the
precinct
goes
to
Sumner.
So
that's
the
only
option.
J
The
other
thing,
too,
is
if
you
want
to
unite
south
end,
but
then
unite
it
all
in
District
Seven,
then
you're
now
making
district
7,
not
a
historically
black
District.
You
are
also
hurting's
Roxbury
in
order
to
shed
district
7
to
give
to
District
three.
If
you
don't
go
to
South
End
you're
going
to
go
into
Roxbury.
J
So
why
compromise
Roxbury
or
to
make
District
3
an
opportunity
District
at
the
expense
of
Roxbury,
then
didn't
seem
to
be
an
option
and
also
I
think
so.
You're
not
reuniting
the
rest
of
Dudley
Street
to
complete
that
community
that
business
Corridor.
That
goes
all
the
way
along
to
the
Strand
and
bringing
it
in
and
I
would
say
and
I
would
repeat
what
Diane
Wilkerson
mentioned
yesterday
about
Cape
verdeans
being
black
but
having
specific
needs
in
terms
of
Language
and
Cultural
needs
that
are
not
that
I.
J
J
G
As
far
as
the
idea
that
you
know,
matapam
was
sacrificed
to
that.
To
that
goal,
I
would
disagree
with
that
about.
70
percent
of
Mattapan
was
in
District
Five,
whereas
when
you
look
at
the
South
End,
there's
no
70
of
the
south
end
in
any
one
of
these
districts,
and
in
order
to
do
this,
you
would
essentially
have
to
fracture
it
into
multiple
parts
and
I
would
just
say
that
I
represent
Roslindale.
G
That
is
significantly
less
fractured
right
now
than
the
South
End
and
my
map
attempts
to
reunite
those
aspects
of
Roslindale
and
all
I
have
heard
since
literally
before
I
ran
for
this
seat
was
about
how
aggressively
harmful
Roslindale
felt
their
splitting
was.
It
became
sort
of
a
place
where
they
had
four
or
five
different
Reps
for
two
or
three
different
Senators.
G
They
had
three
or
four
different
count:
three
counselors,
because
just
some
Matt
O'malley
in
District,
Six
myself
and
in
District
Four,
and
so
there
was
a
a
level
of
understanding
from
my
own
personal
District
as
to
sort
of
the
harm
that
splitting
a
district
up
to
that
degree
can
have
in
terms
of
splitting
up
a
neighborhood.
And
when
you
look
at
the
south
end,
it's
very
similar.
It's
it's
split
in
a
way
that
makes
it
so
that
there's
not
even
a
majority
of
the
South
End,
really
in
any
one
District.
G
You
know
further
discussion
about
sort
of
what
the
Ripple
impacts
are
of
maybe
changing
this
here
or
changing
that
there,
because
I
do
think
that
that's
something
worth
discussing,
but
I
do
know
that
the
population
sort
of
surge
that
happens.
If
you
give
all
of
that
area
to
one
place,
especially
because
District
Two
has
to
shed
so
much
in
District,
8
is
really
not
capable
of
picking
any
of
it
up
forces
a
lot
of
movement
on
the
southern
part
of
of
this
map,
and
so
there's
a
there's.
G
You
know
a
lot
to
discuss
there,
but
I
just
think
that
it's
a
little
bit
like
a
game
of
Jenga
when
you
pull
one
a
lot
of
other
things
fall
with
it,
and
it's
just
trying
to
figure
out.
What's
the
most
like,
what's
the
best
version
of
this
that
we
can
put
together
and
so
I'm
obviously
open
to
conversation
and
I,
appreciate
the
the
questions
and
sort
of
what
you're
thinking
about,
because
it's
similar
to
what
I'm
thinking
about.
Thank
you.
K
Yes,
thank
you,
madam
chair,
and
my
apologies
for
being
late
just
here
for
the
dialogue
to
see.
If
we
can
continue
to
work
together
to
you
know,
create
opportunity,
districts
strengthen
people
of
color
vote
and
then
also
just
be
grounded
in
the
Voting
Rights
Act.
Just
looking
forward
to
this
conversation
and
dialogue
between
colleagues.
Thank
you.
I
I
Securing
people's
electoral
power
and
communities
electoral
Powers
right
and
it
falls
in
line
with
the
provisions
of
the
Voting
Rights
Act,
which
specifically
States
and
speaks
on
racial
minorities
in
right.
It's
it's
like
it's
very
race,
explicit
that
we're
talking
about
racial
minorities.
Here
when
we
talk
about
the
Voting
Rights
Act,
and
so
there
are
a
couple
of
things
with
the
two
maps.
I
I
think
the
conversation
that
we've
been
having
about
Villa
Victoria
and
the
aapi
community,
like
I,
said:
I
worked
in
this
community
before
with
bringing
Villa
Victoria
into
the
conversation
about
bringing
Villa,
Victoria
and
nine
nine
one
and
nine
two
ultimately
into
the
south.
End
I
appreciate
I,
think
that
we
were
put
in
a
tough
position
when
we
built
the
seaport
and
added
13
000
people
into
District
Two,
that's
the
reality
of
it.
We
built
the
seaport
and
put
13
000
more
people
into
District
Two.
I
If
the
seaport
was
not
there,
we
could
very
easily
unify
the
entire
South
End
into
District
Two
right.
It's
just
like
the
sheer
amount
of
people
that
we
have
in
District.
2
makes
it
so
that
District
2
has
to
shed
considerably
right,
but
because
the
Voting
Rights
Act
also
calls
on
us
to
yes
try
to
keep
communities
together,
but
ultimately
we
want
to
increase
the
diversity.
I
Sometimes
it
is
necessary
to
split
neighborhoods
and
communities
to
like
be
in
alignment
with
the
voting
right
now
with
the
Voting
Rights
Act,
and
so
the
Villa
Victoria
I
am
continue
to
be
impressed
and
always
have
been
by
the
advocacy
of
CPA
and
the
aapi
community
and
everything
that
they've
been
able
to
do.
But
we
cannot
say
that
Villa
Victoria
that
nine
one
and
nine
two
little
Puerto
Rico
is
a
Chinese
Precinct.
I
We
can't
like
we
I
I,
the
the
the
population
has
gone
up,
I
understand
the
connection
in
terms
of
community
between
the
south
end
and
Chinatown,
but
that
is
a
Latino
Precinct
and
Cathedral
is
they're
they're
black
there's
a
black
house
and
mostly
black
Housing
Development
right.
This
isn't
that's
not
so
I
understand
the
point
that
is
being
made
in
terms
of
keeping
the
south
end
and
Chinatown
together,
but
we
also
have
to
look
at
the
realities
of
the
numbers
right.
I
We
talk
about
all
of
the
work
that
CPA
did
to
build
political
power
in
District
Two,
and
then
we
dumped
13
000
white
people
into
the
district.
It's
diluted
the
power
that
they
have
moving
the
South
and
into
District
three
brings
the
aapi
community
percentage
up
to
almost
20
18,
to
be
specifically
right
and
so
to
me.
When
I,
look
at
that
I'm
like
okay,
we've,
we've
we've
lost
the
plot
on
District
Two.
That's
how
I
feel
right.
It's
very
there's!
There's
it's
someone's
turn
on
this
map
to
be
an
opportunity
District.
I
We
have
we
I
feel
like
we
have
been
put
in
a
position
where
okay,
we
have
to
figure
out
now
what
to
do.
When
we
look
at
the
aapi
community,
we
look
at
their
political
power.
Now
we're
like
okay,
we've
dumped
13,
000
white
people
into
District,
Two,
we've
significantly
watered
down
the
power
that
this
community
has
built.
How
do
we
move
in
a
way
that
unifies
neighborhoods
and
continues
to
give
them
a
chance
to
continue
building
the
political
power
and
possibly
like
somebody
that
will
represent
the
neighborhood
I?
I
Think
the
reality-
and
you
know
we
heard
from
Lydia
Lowe,
who
testified
is
that
they've
been
organizing
in
District
Two
for
40
years
yeah
and
still
the
only
person
that
has
ever
represented
District
Two
has
been
a
white
man
from
South
Boston,
and
now
we
have
dumped
13,
000,
more
white
people
into
the
district.
We
have
to
figure
out
how
to
make
sure
that
that
Community
maintains
their
political
power
and
keeping
them
in
District.
I
I
I
I
The
other
thing
that
I
was
talking
about
same
thing,
about
Rachel,
like
Cedar
Grove
and
having
Cedar
Grove.
We've
heard
complaints
from
folks
from
Cedar
Grove
as
being
in
Dorchester.
Again,
four
and
three
are
Dorchester
districts,
I've
heard
people
say
not
here,
but
I
think
out
in
the
public
that
Cedar
Grove
is
somehow
a
community
of
Interest.
The
voter
Rights
Act
points
us
towards
really
ensuring
that
we're
keeping
communities
of
interest
and
racial
minorities
together.
Cedar
Grove
is
not
that
neighborhood
to
my
knowledge,
Am
I,
Wrong
Cedar
Grove
is
not
that's.
I
It's
not
they're,
not
a
group
of
racial
minorities
at
Cedar
Grove
that
are
concentrated
enough
to
say
that
Cedar
Grove
needs
to
stay
with
Dorchester
there.
They
I
understand
that
they
have
boundaries
and
that
they
are
a
community,
but
this
is
not
really
that
big
of
a
shift
for
them
to
go.
There
I
heard
that
we
were
having
conversations
around
packing
the
map
that
I
have
here
for
district
for
that
I
think
councilor
Murphy's
map
makes
it
so
that
District
Four
is
96
people
of
color.
I
I
With
the
three
districts
from
Dorchester,
so
we're
talking
about
96
and
99
and
91
right
we're
talking
about.
Oh
we're
packing
these
districts,
making
the
historically
black
District
96
black
is
that's
that
is
defined
actually
defined
as
packing,
that
that
will
get
us
sued
actually,
because
it
also
removes
the
opportunity
that
we
have
just
built
into
District
Five.
So
we
did
this
10
years
ago.
District
Five
was
the
opportunity
District
we
moved
Mattapan
in
there.
I
We
did
what
we
needed
to
do
in
order
to
make
sure
that
District
Five
was
the
opportunity
district
and
now
we're
trying
to
move
more
matapan
to
district
four
one.
It's
packing
all
of
the
black
people
in
one
district
and
it's
moving
us
back
from
the
products
we've
already
made
in
District
Five.
In
addition,
as
the
district
6
counselor,
this
removes
1907
from
my
district,
which
is
to
make
a
plane
it
splits
up
to
make
a
plane.
I
have
no
comment
about
that.
Good
luck,
trying
to
get
1907
out
of
it!
I
I
I
Are
we
packing
something
like
when
you're
taking
black
people
from
One
District,
where
it
makes
it
more
diverse
and
then
putting
them
into
an
already
predominantly
black,
District
I
think
that
that's
very
clear,
packing
I
think
that
that
would
get
a
suit
does
it
goes
against
the
voter
rights
act
as
illegal
Villa,
Victoria,
Cedar,
Grove
I.
Think
that's
all
that
I
had
thank
you
for
right
now.
H
You
have
the
floor.
You
thank
you,
madam
chair
I.
Just
wanted
to
make
some
comments
related
to
the
the
point
about
District
Two
in
chinatown's
political
power.
I
I
think
folks
know
that
I
am,
although
I
represent
District
8
in
my
heart
of
hearts,
I
I
kind
of
identify
with
District
2,
because
it's
the
one
that
I
grew
up
in
I
was
in
Bay,
Village
and
I
was
always
working
with
the
Chinese
Community
to
try
to
topple
our
South
Boston
counselor.
That
was
my
like
youth.
H
We
were
never
successful.
We
came
within
100
votes
for
Suzanne
Lee
in
in
20
to
2011
and
with
apologies
to
my
South
Boston
colleagues,
but
I
think
that
the
key
thing,
though,
to
understand
about
chinatown's
political
power
in
District
2,
is
that
what
Chinatown
has
cultivated
is
the
ability
to
be
a
fulcrum
in
such
a
Race
So.
H
Math
of
your
district
is
another
important
thing
and
so
I
think
to
the
point
that
I
agree
with
counselor
Lara
that,
like
the
Voting
Rights
Act,
is
racially
conscious
because
you
know
because
the
history
in
this
America
in
the
history
in
America
is
of
being
racially
conscious.
The
other
way
right
of
like
trying
to
disenfranchise
people
of
color
and
that,
therefore,
although
communities
of
interest
that
are
neighborhoods
are
important.
H
Are
you
pulling
that
in
so
all
of
that
is
to
say,
like
from
my
perspective,
I'm,
obviously
not
here
with
a
map
and
I.
Think,
like
part
of
my
homework
over
the
weekend,
is
to
try
to
think
about
like
what
would
be
things
that
I,
like
you
would
move,
but
I
think
it's
worth
using
the
working
session
to
get
some
of
the
considerations
out
on
the
floor,
and
so
that's
one
of
the
things
I
want
to
fly.
H
The
one
other
thing
I
wanted
to
flag
in
response
to
to
councilor
Lara's
comments
is
just
that
I
do
think
we
have
to,
in
some
cases,
drill
down
beneath
the
racial
categories
that
we're
provided
with
by
the
census.
I.
Think
it's
substantial
and
meaningful
right.
The
conversation
about
how
do
you
increase
the
Asian
vote
in
District
three,
but
I
also
think
that
it
isn't
necessarily
obvious
that,
like
I
think
it
means
something
electorally
to
unite
the
Vietnamese
vote
in
Dorchester.
A
I
Yeah
I
think
I,
think
I,
agree,
I,
think
one
of
the
things
that,
with
with
most
of
what
councilor
Bach
shared
I,
think
that
one
of
the
issues
that
I
run
up
against
when
I
look
at
how
to
change.
You
know
when
we
look
at
the
at
the
Arroyo
Anderson
map
is
that
we
keep
the
South
End
right,
like
this
community
of
interest
to
the
aapi
community
and
Chinatown
together,
whether
it
be
in
District
Two
or
whether
it
be
in
District
three
right.
I
It
also
doesn't
do
it
in
the
other
direction,
but
then
it
weakens
our
ability
to
have
districts.
It
weakens
District
like
moving
into
District.
Two
then
weakens
District
3's
ability
to
be
an
opportunity
district,
and
so
we
keep
the
community
of
Interest
together,
but
then
it
doesn't
actually
increase
the
chances
for
either
District
2
or
District
three
to
have
someone.
So
it's
not
it's
not.
That
I
disagree
specifically
about
like
whether
or
not
there's
a
connection
between
the
south
end
and
the
aapi
community.
I
Is
that,
like
we
can
keep
the
community
of
Interest
completely
together
and
whole,
and
my
fear
from
what
I've
seen
in
the
numbers
is
that
it
would
be
at
the
expense
of
having
either
District
2
or
a
District
3
then
become
an
opportunity
District
because
of
the
demographics,
and
so
that's
kind
of
where
that's
like
the
the?
What
what
I'm
rubbing
up
against
when
I'm?
Looking
this
because
I'm
just
like
okay,
we
keep
they.
They
are
basically,
like.
You
said
the
deciding
factor.
I
I,
don't
think
that
that
changes,
if
we
keep
the
South
End
together
in
District,
three
I
think
that
Chinatown
still
and
CPA
is
still
the
you
know
just
just
like
in
my
just
like
Ward
20
in
the
South
right,
it's
just
like
there
is,
there
is
a
there
is
a
like
the
political
anchor
of
that
area.
I
think
it's
still
I
think
it
still
remains.
Even
if
we
put
the
South
End
in
District,
three.
A
B
B
I.
Think
I
can't
help
but
feel
like
I'm
targeted
here.
This
isn't
supposed
to
be
about
a
person.
It's
about
the
district
I
feel
like
my
district
is
totally
targeted
here,
and
it
feels
personal
I
mean
we've
got.
We've
got
limited
time
to
do
this.
I
personally,
think
that
and
I've
stated
this
over
and
over.
Our
goal
should
be
to
keep
the
districts
compact
the
way
they
are
and
subtract
an
ad
along
the
edges
with,
where
appropriate.
That
would
be
a
lot
between
Eddie
and
myself.
B
These
Maps
they
had
me
drop
in
the
Mariella
McCormick
Housing
Development,
which
is
probably
you
know
it's
whatever.
Whatever
the
percentage
is
it's
it's
high
percentage
of
Latina
when
black
people-
and
they
have
me
dropping
up
on
this
corner
more
black
people.
If
I
grow
I
would
grow
if
I
grew
naturally
into
Andrew.
B
I'm
almost
speechless
here
of
what
feels
like
is
happening.
What
do
you
say
for
us
about
us
without
us?
This
is
happening
to
me
without
me,
because
people
are
ganging
up
on
me.
It's
what
it
feels
like
and
I
know
it's
not
supposed
to
be
personal,
but
it
certainly
does
feel
personal
when
there's
Maps
here
that
keep
places
con
compact,
we
were
joking
last
night
am
I
going
to
get
a
helicopter,
so
I
can
go
from
one
end
of
my
district
to
the
other.
B
End
of
the
district
took
me
like
an
hour
to
get
to
in
town
from
here
last
night,
like
absolutely
ridiculous.
Another
joke
I
used
to
joke
with
Ross
when
I
was
dealing
with
prostitution
and
homelessness
and
and
sober
houses
and
getting
people
into
detox.
His
biggest
problem
was
how
cold
was
a
Chardonnay.
That's
what
this
District
feels
like
to
me,
the
Chardonnay
crowd
and
the
people
that
are
dealing
with
prostitution
and
addiction
and
homelessness.
That's
my
district,
I
I,
don't
think
I,
don't
think,
there's
much
commonality
in
this
District
between
the
South
and
the
North.
B
A
You
councilor,
Baker
I,
think
we're
just
putting
it
all
out
on
the
table
at
the
moment.
This
is
what
we're
doing,
bringing
our
ideas
to
the
table
and
critiquing
and
giving
feedback
and
we're
in
the
process,
and
it's
not
it's
not
it's
messy,
so
we'll
just
keep
going.
Let's
see
who's
next
councilor
councilor
Bond.
H
Yeah
this
was
just
I
just
wanted
to
just
a
sentence
back
on,
because
what
council
Lara
said
about
the
sort
of
the
choices
here
and
the
difficulty
I
think
that's
exactly.
Why
exactly
that
question
of
like
what
happens
if
you,
if
you
try
to
keep
the
Chinatown
folks
together,
is
the
reason
why
I
was
asking
councilor
Arroyo
about
right
now.
H
Basically,
the
Arroyo
Anderson
map,
what
it
does
is
it
sort
of
cinches
in
on
District,
three
right
that
yellow
bit
that's
Mary,
Ellen
McCormick
getting
pulled
out
into
D2
and
then
that
blue
bit
that
we
were
talking
about
before
getting
pulled
out
into
D7
so
like
in
a
broad
sense.
I
feel
like
that's
part
of
the
choice
here
is:
if
you
give
those
things
to
two
and
to
seven,
then
the
sort
of
no
good
option
thing
you
were
describing
happens.
H
But
if
you
decide
oh
we're,
not
gonna
break
up
the
Chinese
vote
up
into
like
one
way
of
solving
that
from
the
perspective
of
D3
as
an
opportunity.
District
is
restoring
those
places
that
are
currently
getting
bites
out
from
Two
and
seven
kind
of
in
the
middle
part
of
the
district
and
also
do
contribute
to
the
non-compactness.
H
F
F
F
So
I
just
want
to
offer
us
to
consider
that
this
is
I.
Would
ask
my
colleagues
to
to
consider
that
this
is
about
what
we're
trying
to
do
and
if
the
goal
is
to
create
as
many
opportunities
for
diversity
in
different
districts
and
if
it
just
so
happens
that
the
District
of
opportunity
is
within
one
particular
area
that
it's
not
about
particular,
you
know
person,
it's
really
more
about
what
we're
trying
to
achieve
here
and
I
think
that
that
might
be
easier
for
us
if
we
can
lean
with
with
that
yeah.
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
C
So
we
obviously
we've
been
discussing
the
Murphy
map
in
the
Arroyo
fernanazines
and
map
to
can
I
get
a
copy
of
the
Baseline
map
in
in
color
like
this
of
Shane.
If
I
don't
know,
if
you
have
one
but
or
if
we
can
get
one
distributed
as
well
just
so
we
can
sort
of
see
what
the
Baseline
was
and
then
we
sort
of
compare
it
with
the
the
other
two
maps
on
them:
I
fully
ex
yeah
with
the
population
break
breakout
and
also
I
expected
that
you
know
from
this
process.
C
A
A
C
J
Thank
you,
madam
chair,
so
I
guess
I
mean
questions
for
folks.
That
may
have
an
idea
if,
for
example
like,
if
we
don't
reunite
South
End
in
two
districts,
then
it's
already
split
into
three
districts.
So
the
Lesser
harm
is
to
united
into
two
districts
that
at
least
we
agree
on
and
then
keeping
you
know,
Chinatown
together.
J
No
one
is
touching
that
we
know
that
the
nine
one,
the
areas
that
are
predominantly
Latino,
the
second
I
guess
highest
number
is
Asian,
and
we
we
realize
that
that
it's,
you
know
it's
beneath.
It's
like
at
the
bottom
of
South
End,
so
it
needs
to
stay
with
South,
End
and
so
just
taking
people
through.
You
know
in
terms
of
like
the
the
rationalization
behind
doing
the
Lesser
harm
and
then
when
you
go
into
Frank's
District,
if
he's.
J
J
So
thank
you
for
that
reminder,
and
so
we
know
that
District
three
we
can
do.
We
can
do
that
with
District
three,
because
District
2
would
be
too
difficult
to
do
in
terms
of
the
fact
that
it
needs
to
shed
in
terms
of
the
population
as
well
as
if
we
go
up
Southie,
it
doesn't
help
D3
to
become
an
opportunity
District.
J
If
we
go
to
the
left,
it
hurts
District
Seven,
but
if
it
goes
into
District
Four,
then
they
can
share
and
we
you
can
actually
unite
more
of
the
15
more
of
the
cape
vert
community
of
Interest,
which
would
be
the
cape
Verdian
Community
there
into
Frank
into
District.
Three
and
District
Four
can
take
more
of
the
lower
Dorchester
in
District
three
and
then,
if
they
share
between
each
other.
Considering
that
District
4
has
10
percent
white
population
and
District
3
has
way
more,
it
seems
like
they
could
share
within
each
other.
J
But,
let's
be
very
transparent,
who's
willing
to
do
that
here,
and
so
what
what
this
is
also
about
is
us
getting
this
done
on
a
time
constraint.
So
it's
not
just
you
know
targeting
anyone.
It's
not
talked
for
me.
At
least
it's
not
targeting
anyone.
It's
really
looking
at
the
entire
map.
Okay,
we
can't
touch
nine.
We
don't
have
to
touch
one.
We
can't
touch
one.
We
can't
touch
two.
J
We
can
touch
eight
and
if
we
were
to,
we
would
have
to
touch
everybody.
We'd
have
to
completely
Cascade
everything
into
each
other,
and
so
there's
a
way
of
making
every
single
Precinct
every
single
District
except
Austin,
probably
except
nine.
It
does
away
of
fixing
this,
but
we
would
really
have
to
shift
everything
around
right.
We
know
that
so
in
hopes
of
moving
forward
with
this
conversation
and
just
being
really
honest
and
realistic
about
what
we're
looking
at
is
without
causing
harm
to
District
Four.
J
A
I
think
right
now
we're
in
this
conversation
and
no
one
we
haven't
got
them
right.
We
haven't
got
the
answer.
That's
that's
the
collaborative
process,
we're
going
through
right
now,
I
I!
Think,
and
we
are
you
know
we
we
are
not
allowed
to
use
projected
growth
and
I
think
for
the
next
team,
whoever
comes
and
sits
in
these
seats
and
in
10
years
time
our
city
is
going
to
look
very
different
and
we're
going
to
seriously
need
a
lot.
A
A
lot
representing
and
probably
it
wouldn't
be
up
to
the
city
council,
but
some
sort
of
a
commission
or
someone
would
have
to
look
at
the
electoral
map,
the
maps
because
the
the
the
the
the
rates
of
growth
is
not
consistent
across
all
districts
as
we
find
out
in
District
2
last
time.
So
the
challenge
will
be
even
greater
in
10
years
time,
so
we're
trying
to
do
the
very
best
we
can
with
the
maps
and
the
data
and
the
demographics
that
we
have
right
now
and
I.
A
Think
probably
at
the
end
of
this
process,
we
will,
as
a
committee,
be
making
some
recommendations
that
this
is
an
issue.
That's
the
representing
issue
cannot
be
kicked
down
the
road
any
further
that
we
need
to
really
seriously
address,
because
the
the
growth,
the
the
differential
rates
of
growth
between
the
northern
part
of
the
city
and
the
southern
part
of
the
city
are
leading
us
into
this
conundrum
that
we
have
to
try
and
solve.
J
So,
thank
you,
madam
chair.
That
was
rhetorical.
May
I
finish
my
comment,
I
think.
Yes,
certainly
I
I
beg
your
pardon
I
appreciate
you.
If
this
was
Monopoly
and
the
pieces
in
the
districts,
the
areas
of
Interest
were
houses
and
hotels
and
different
types
of
objects,
and
they
all
had
different
colors
black
white
brown
I
think
a
10
year
old
would
be
able
to
make
all
these
districts
an
opportunity.
I
Thank
you,
madam
chair,
so
I
wanted
to
respond
or
make
comment
about
counselor
Baker's
comments,
because
I
represent
District
Six
and
my
district
also
sprawls
out
all
the
way
to
the
top
of
denim
like
it's
like.
The
way
that
District
3
is
drawn
here
is
not
it's
not
the
only
District
in
the
city
that
is
massive
in
that
way,
like
my
district
is
also
sprawled
out.
I
Obviously,
there's
a
lot
of
more
there's
a
lot
for
different
reasons.
Right,
there's,
just
a
lot
more
green
space
there,
people
are
just
less
compact.
So
that's
why?
But
the
distance
between,
like
the
part,
is
not
really
a
consideration
that
we're
that
we,
it's
not
a
part
of
the
audience
right.
A
Voting,
Rights
Act
is
not
a
consideration
that
we
make
when
making
this
I
I
understand
the
feeling
of
being
targeted,
because
we
are
targeting
District
three,
even
if
we
are
not
targeting
councilor
Baker
right.
I
Unfortunately,
we
don't
get
to
set
goals
based
on
what
we
like
like.
It
would
be
easier,
yes
to
say:
hey,
let's
just
cut
around
the
edges,
to
make
everything
even
and
leave
it
at
that,
but
we
actually
have
a
legal
mandate
through
the
Voting
Rights
Act.
To
make
sure
that
redistricting
is,
as
it
is,
is
an
exercise
in
maintaining
and
building
the
Electoral
power
of
people
who
are
racial
minorities.
I
So
it
would
be
easier
for
us
to
use
the
Baseline
map
and
just
say:
hey
here
are
the
things
let's
like
move
one
Precinct
here
to
get
it
there
and
the
variation
is
now
at
three
percent
and
that's
perfect
and
I'll
vote
on
it.
But
it
doesn't
actually
meet
the
goals
of
the
redistricting
process.
It
doesn't
meet
the
Mandate
that
is
given
here,
and
so
that
is,
that
is
the
ultimate
goal.
I
The
ultimate
goal
is:
how
do
we
maintain
the
Electoral
power
of
the
black
and
brown
people
that
already
exist
in
seven,
four
and
five,
and
how
do
we
create
an
opportunity
District
because
of
the
seaport?
It
is
not
going
to
be
two,
it
is
three,
and
so
we
have
to
figure
out
how
to
do
that,
and
how
do
we
do
that
in
the
way
that
keeps
communities
together?
How
do
we
do
that,
like
all
of
the
things
that
come
secondary
to
that?
I
G
And
it's
been
a
little
while,
but
this
is
actually
more
conversation
with
statements
made
by
councilor
Bach
about
sort
of
the
pivotal
part
that
the
Chinese
population
sort
of
Chinatown
has
played
in
District,
Two
I.
Think
one
of
the
things
that
if
people
sort
of
move
around
on
this
map
and
try
to
figure
this
out,
when
you
look
at
the
sort
of
precincts
in
South
Boston
that
border
District
three
and
you
look
at
the
reality
that
District
2
is
really
the
Crux
of
this
entire
conversation.
G
They
have
to
shed
so
much
that
they
can
only
shed
in
two
directions.
They
can
shed
some
some
portions
of
the
south
end
and
some
portions
of
South
Boston.
They
can
shed
all
of
the
south
end
or
most
of
the
South
End.
Really
they
can't
shed
all
of
it
or
they
can
shed
large
portions
of
South
Boston.
But
when
you
look
at
the
South
Boston
precincts
and
they
would
have
to
shed
them
at
least
if
it's
South
Boston.
G
If
you
do
this
exercise,
where
you
keep
much
of
the
south
end
in
District
Two,
then
you
have
to
shed
into
South
Boston.
There
is
no
choice
and
the
only
District
that
can
pick
that
up
is
District
three,
and
so,
if
we're
talking
about
opportunity
districts
as
a
goal-
and
you
look
at
the
population
surrounding
that
look
at
seven
five
you're
talking
about
80
black
people
in
a
district
of
2041..
G
If
you
look
at
7-3,
which
is
right
next
to
seven
foot,
seven,
seven,
which
is
currently
in
District
three,
if
you
look
at
seven
three,
you
have
seven
black
people
in
a
district
that
is
two
thousand
five
hundred
and
twelve
people,
and
so
when
you
start
to
get
into
the
peripheries
of
District
of
South
Boston-
and
you
talk
about
this
idea
of
perhaps
creating
two
opportunity.
Districts
between
District,
Two
and
District.
G
Three
I
would
submit
that
in
my
calculus
because
of
what
district
2
has
to
shed
and
where
it
has
to
shed
it
into
doing
that,
shifting
the
shedding
from
uniting
South
End
under
one
umbrella
in
District,
three
and
just
making
it
One
Umbrella
of
District
Two.
If
you
cut
into
South
Boston,
you
are
essentially
doing
the
opposite.
You,
you
may
be
creating
an
opportunity
District
in
District
Two,
but
you're.
G
If
we
can
create
two
opportunity
districts
in
this
in
this
map,
similar
to
the
reality
that
additions
to
District
Six
and
the
last
map
are
largely
the
reason
why
we
have
diverse
representation
there
now
in
additions
to
District
Five
in
the
last
map
are
why
we
have
the
first
person
of
color
ever
elected
in
that
District.
The
reality
is
as
many
opportunity
districts
as
we
can
make
the
better,
but
the
Crux
of
this
comes
down
to
the
fact
that
District
2
is
13.
G
500
or
so
over
and
they
have
to
cut
from
the
south
end
or
they
have
to
cut
from
South
Boston
and
the
issue
with
South
Boston
is
it
can
only
go
into
District
three
and
these
precincts
are
very
much
dominated
by
their
white
population
and
there's
nothing
very
close
there
and
then
I
would
just
say
as
an
aside
about
distance.
If
you
look
at
the
map
submitted
by
Aaron
Murphy,
you
look
at
where
it
goes.
It
goes
into
three.
It
goes
right
up
into
three
one.
Six
and
three
one.
G
A
And
these
are
the
challenge.
Just
we
have
and
just
remembered
and
I've
just
been
reminded
that
there's
a
staff
training
and
that's
going
to
start
in
15
minutes,
so
I
I
will
take
a
counselor.
Murphy
I
will
take
your
comments
and
then
I
think
I
will
move
to
adjourn
the
meeting
and
so
that
our
staff
can
get
to
that
training
session.
E
Tell
me
if
I'm
wrong,
but
my
current
data
shows
me
that
there's
a
9.1
of
white
50.6,
black
25.6
Hispanic
5.2
Haitian,
seven
percent
of
people
who
said
they
were
two
or
more
races
and
then
2.1
other
and
the
way
I
kind
of
maneuvered
District
Four.
It
has
6.27
54
percent
black
26.27
Hispanic,
3.88,
Asian
and
I
can
tell
that
that
break,
that
is
6,
16
1
pulling
out
and
combining
the
Little
Saigon
Vietnamese
Community
along
dot,
Ave
2.22
and
then
7.46
other.
So
it's
very
close
to
the
same
way.