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Description
Small Business & Professional Licensure Hearing - Docket #0630 - Order for a hearing to discuss the ban of miniature alcohol bottles (Singles) in the City of Boston.
A
A
Good
afternoon
everyone
I
am
District
4
City
councilor
Brian
Worrell
chair
the
committee
on
small
businesses
and
professional
licensure.
It
is
Monday
April
3rd
2023,
and
we
are
here
today
in
the
ionella
chamber,
for
a
hearing
on
docket
number
0630
order
for
a
hearing
to
discuss
the
ban
of
miniature
alcohol
bottles.
Singles
in
the
city
of
Boston,
referred
to
the
committee
on
March
20,
March,
22nd
2023
and
sponsored
by
councilor
Ricardo
Arroyo.
A
This
hearing
is
being
recorded
and
it's
being
live
streamed
at
www.boston.gov,
backslash
city
city,
slash,
Council,
slash,
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and
on
Xfinity
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members
of
the
public
would
like
to
provide
public
testimony,
they
can
sign,
they
can
sign
up
at
the
sign-in
sheet
near
the
podium
to
my
left.
A
Members
of
the
public
may
also
provide
testimony
via
Zoom
or
provide
written
comments
to
the
committee
that
will
be
made
part
of
the
public
record
and
share
with
the
councilors
members
of
the
public
should
email,
Christine,
O'donnell,
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to
request
a
testimony
link
for
public
testimony
via
Zoom
members
of
the
public
can
also
email.
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committee
email
at
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dot,
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to
provide
written
testimony.
A
We
need
information
for
people
who
are
providing
public
testimony
via
Zoom
via
video
conference,
especially
if
you're
dialing
in
with
a
phone
number
or,
if
or
if
you
have
an
unrecon
unrecognizable
username.
So
please
make
sure
that
you
use
it.
You
your
name
appears
on
Zoom.
I
will
now
turn
it
over
to
the
lease
sponsor
Council
Royal
for
open
remarks
and
and
then
to
my
colleagues
in
order
arrival.
B
And
so
you
know,
I
think,
there's
a
real
public
nuisance
standpoint
from
that
alone.
But
I
think
what
really
brought
this
over
the
edge
for
me
was
when
I
heard
the
public
health
concerns
sort
of
that
came
out
of
Chelsea
when
that
led
to
their
ban
in
2018,
where
they
had
almost
a
thousand
ambulance
or
police
or
fire
related
calls
based
on
alcohol
and
within
about
a
year
of
that
they'd.
B
Have
that
number,
if
not
more
so,
and
so
for
me,
the
fact
that
this
handled,
even
one
of
those
two
issues,
would
have
been
enough
for
me.
The
fact
that
it
plays
in
both
of
those
issues,
I
think,
is
an
overwhelming
reason
to
move
forward
with
something
like
this
I'd
also
made
been
made
aware,
even
as
a
district
counselor
in
my
own
District
of
community
groups
and
neighborhood
groups,
when
a
new
license
would
come
before
us
or
a
license
for
the
selling
of
liquor
in
a
neighborhood
people.
Ask
looking
for
this
condition.
B
Can
you
can
you
please
Advocate
that
we
have
this
condition
that
they
not
sell,
singles
or
nips,
and
so
through
that
my
staff
was
able
to
look
through
analyze,
Boston
and
realize
that
there's
and
I
say
a
floor,
because
it's
not
a
full
accounting
I'm,
hoping
we
get
this
number
later,
but
that
there's
at
least
70
businesses
in
the
city
of
Boston.
That
already
have
this
condition,
and
so
I
would
like
to
make
this
Universal
across
the
board.
B
None
have
gone
out
of
business
and
I
think
that
the
public
safety
Public
Health
public
good
of
that
is
worth
whatever
that
that
trade-off
is
financially,
and
so
with
that
I'm
going
to.
Thank
you
for
your
time.
I
have
questions
for
all
of
you
to
dig
more
into
all
of
these
sort
of
talking
points
and
aspects
of
this
legislation,
but
I
appreciate
all
of
you
being
here
and
addressing
this
issue.
C
C
A
common
word
referring
to
the
miniature
alcohol
bottles,
is
also
used
as
a
slur
against
persons
of
Japanese
descent
and
at
a
time
when
we're
seeing
hate
crimes
against
the
Asian
Community.
Here
here
in
the
most
Progressive
city
in
America,
we're
seeing
hate
crimes
in
anti-asian
racism,
it
would
be
appropriate
to
use
different
term
such
as
singles
or
miniature
alcohol
bottles,
but
using
the
word
that's
currently
used
frequently
is
is
inappropriate,
I'm
here
to
listen
to
learn
from
both
sides.
Thank
you,
Mr
chair.
D
You
Mr
chairman,
and
thanks
to
the
lead,
sponsor
here,
obviously
to
learn
a
little
bit
more
about
it.
Some
of
my
initial
concerns
are
the
impacts
that
would
have
on
small
businesses
and
family-owned
businesses
the
possibility
potentially
of
expanding
the
state's
bottle
Bill
legislation.
Also
the
unintended
consequences
of
forcing
a
customer
to
to
buy
bigger
alcohol
containers
up
front
I
know
that
the
we've
seen
a
lot
of
it.
D
So
it's
great
to
see
the
doctor
here,
I'd
love
to
hear
her
testimonies,
how
she
feels
about
the
single
miniature
alcohol
bottles
and
but
also
get
the
opinion
on
the
the
four
pack
that
gets
distributed
over
at
Madison
cast
to
the
tune
of
a
million
of
these
every
single
year
that
don't
always
come
back
safely.
They
end
up
in
pox,
playgrounds,
ball
fields,
Etc
putting
a
lot
of
folks
at
risk.
D
E
There
would
be
public
health
benefits
and
we
have
to
listen
to
our
small
business
community
that
I've
been
hearing
from
about
the
potential
impact
on
our
communities
and
on
our
small
businesses.
So
I'm
here
to
listen
as
an
at
large
city,
councilor
I,
hear
from
everyone
and
I
am
here
to
listen
to
what
everyone
has
to
say.
I
also
have
gotten
calls
to
my
office
about
what
we're
doing
here
today
and
this
week
there
is
no
vote
happening.
We
are
here
to
have
a
hearing
and
to
have
a
discussion.
E
E
F
For
bringing
this
issue
to
the
body
I'm
here
to
listen
and
learn
today,
but
I
also
want
us
to
really
pay
close
attention
to
the
positive
effects
of
this
that
we've
seen
in
other
cities.
I
think
that
as
a
body,
we
can
walk
and
chew
gum
at
the
same
time,
and
so
our
interest
in
this
issue
does
not
negate
interest
in
other
issues
and,
as
you
know,
I
as
a
counselor
bring
issues
that
are
important
to
me
and
my
constituency
here
to
this
floor,
I
hope
and
invite
my
Council
colleagues
to
do
the
same.
F
A
A
This
is
just
the
start
of
the
conversation.
We
want
to
make
sure
that
we're
balancing
both
I've
I've
been
on
those
walks
where
we
have
our
main
streets
that
are
cleaning
up
the
little
tiny
bottles
out
of
the
the
weed
Planters
and
the
flower
planners.
But
I
also
understand
that
the
effect
that
this
could
have
on
small
businesses.
So
it's
here
for
a
conversation
and
as
Council
Louisiana
stated,
this
is
not
going
to
a
vote
next
Wednesday.
A
G
Afternoon,
everyone
good
afternoon
specifically
to
Chairman
Worrell
and
councilor
Arroyo
and
all
the
city
councilors,
who
are
here
today
and
thank
you
for
inviting
me
to
join
you
for
this
really
important
discussion.
I'm
here
today
to
provide
some
Public
Health,
as
well
as
clinical
background
on
the
manifestations
and
impact
of
excessive
alcohol
use
and
how
this
issue
is
specifically
affecting
Boston
residents.
G
The
CDC
estimates
that
the
annual
total
number
of
deaths
due
to
alcohol
in
intake
increased
25
percent
from
2019
to
2020,
and
then
it
increased
another
10
percent
from
2020
to
2021.
and,
most
recently,
the
total
number
of
deaths
per
year.
In
2021
this
is
Nationwide
was
over
108,
that
8
000.
adults
aged
35
or
older
and
males
experience
the
greatest
burden
of
alcohol
Associated
deaths,
but
certainly
women
and
youth
are
at
high
risk.
G
These
deaths
are
largely
due
to
the
effects
of
chronic
alcohol
use
so
cancers,
whether
it
be
liver
cancer,
breast
cancer,
liver
disease
in
and
of
itself,
as
well
as
heart
disease.
Many
deaths
are
also
a
result
of
binge
drinking
and
I.
Think
it's
important
for
the
public
to
understand
what
binge
drinking
really
is.
We
tend
to
misunderstand
that
oftentimes.
G
Okay,
so
let's
turn
to
specific
data
for
Boston,
because
I
think
it's
important
for
us
to
understand
how
this
is
impacting
us
locally.
So
at
the
Boston
Public
Health
commission,
we
monitor
excessive
drinking
through
our
Boston
behavioral
risk
factor
surveillance
system.
Many
of
you
all
know.
This
is
a
phone
survey
that
we
do
every
other
year.
So
what
I
have
is
2021
data,
so
in
2021,
23
of
Boston
adults
reported
binge
drinking
during
the
past
month,
but
only
eight
percent
reported
drinking
alcohol
at
levels
considered
to
be
excessive
by
CDC
definitions.
What
does
that
mean?
G
So
that's
30
drinks
per
month
for
females
and
60
drinks
per
month
for
for
males
in
2021,
there
were
more
than
16
800
Boston
residents
who
had
to
experience
a
hospital
visit.
So
we
categorize
these
as
alcohol
misuse,
Hospital
patient
encounters
or
the
acronym
hpes.
That
means
any
hospital
admission,
emergency
department
visit
or
any
observational
stay
related
to
alcohol,
poisoning,
abuse
or
dependence.
G
It's
really
important
to
understand
that
there
are
racial
and
ethnic
disparities
inherent
to
these
data
at
the
age-adjusted
alcohol
hpe
rate.
So
that's
the
hospital
patient
visit
rate
for
black
Boston
residents
was
the
highest
amongst
all
operational
ethnic
groups
and
83
higher
than
the
rate
for
white
residents.
G
In
addition,
from
2017
to
2021,
the
alcohol
misuse
hpe,
the
hospital
patient
visit
rate
decreased
for
Asians,
Latin,
latinx
individuals
and
white
residents,
but
it
increased
for
black
residents.
Differences
in
hospitalization
for
alcohol
misuse
are
also
evident
by
gender
in
2021.
The
alcohol
misuse
hpe
rate
was
four
times
higher
for
males
versus
female
residents.
I
also
have
data
in
relationship
to
what
EMS
is
experiencing,
because
I
think
that's
important
for
us
to
understand.
When
EMS
does
its,
it
gets
a
call
and
they
go
and
encounter
a
patient.
G
They
make
an
impression
and
get
an
understanding
of
what
may
be
happening,
and
essentially
what
they've
seen
in
the
last
year
in
2022,
there
were
7980
interactions
related
to
alcohol
use,
and
that
was
up
about
100
from
the
previous
year
2021.
When
it
was
7704
interactions,
we
can
provide
more
detailed
data
and
also
look
at
that
comparative
to
all
of
the
interactions
that
EMS
has
after
this
hearing.
G
So
what
do
we
do
about
this?
What
are
the
solutions?
What
does
the
evidence
base
say
so
at
the
Boston
Public
Health
commission,
our
staff
in
our
Recovery
Services
Bureau,
are
engaged
in
a
wide
range
of
activities
spanning
the
Spectrum
from
youth
prevention
to
outpatient
services,
to
referrals
to
recovery
programs.
You
all
are
quite
well
aware
at
this
point
about
the
work
that
we
do
in
regards
to
opioid
use
disorder.
G
Well,
those
same
programs
are
also
utilized
to
refer
people
without
alcohol
use
disorder
to
treatment,
particularly
detox
as
well
as
medication,
assisted
treatment
and
counseling
and
other
supports.
So
that
includes
paths
which
is
our
providing
access
to
addictions,
treatment,
hope
and
support
program.
Walk-Ins
are
welcome.
First,
come
first
serve
basis.
We
do
work
with
folks
who
are
have
poly
substance
use
disorder
as
well
as
those
who
are
only
suffering
from
from
alcohol
use
disorder.
G
In
addition,
we
do
prevention,
training
in
schools
and
collaboration
with
other
programs
and,
as
you
all
probably
know,
we
do
support
the
cope
code
club,
which
provides
comprehensive
youth
prevention.
Support
I
also
want
to
highlight
3-1-1's
work
as
a
confidential
24
7
referral
center
for
substance
use
treatment
and
recovery
services,
including
alcohol
use
disorder.
G
If
you
or
a
loved
one
are
in
need,
I
urge
you
to
reach
out
today
call
3-1-1
I
think
it's
important
to
mention
that
there
is
a
role
for
regulation,
so
Boston
is
as
a
city
recognized
by
City
Health,
which
is
a
national
ranking
of
City.
Health
policies
is
having
very
strong
Protections
in
place
to
regulate
alcohol.
Retailers
I
think
it's
important
to
recognize
that
Boston
is
a
leader
in
this
regard.
G
So,
in
closing,
thank
you
again
for
giving
me
this
opportunity
to
speak
I'm
happy
and
would
love
to
be
involved
in
further
conversations
in
regards
to
alcohol
use
and
alcohol
use
disorder,
and
what
more
we
can
do
in
this
area.
As
are
my
colleagues
at
the
Boston
Public
Health
commission,
thank
you
thank.
H
You
thank
you
Royal
for
inviting
me
here
today.
I
really
want
to
make
myself
available
for
questions,
but
I
can
tell
you
now,
since
I
have
been
chair
of
the
licensing
board,
which
goes
back
to
October
2018
under
mayor
Walsh,
we
have
put
a
condition
of
no
I,
guess:
I'm.
Sorry,
no
small
alcohol,
miniature
alcohol
singles
and
no
singles
in
General
on
any
package
store
license
that
comes
before
us.
We,
we
asked
the
community
to
take
that
into
consideration
when
there's
new
application
before
them
and
based
on
public
safety
and
Community
feedback.
A
B
Thank
you,
Chief
chair.
If
I
can
just
sort
of
bring
up
sort
of
the
the
thing
that
was
brought
up,
that
I
think
has
no
bearing
or
relevance
here
just
to
be
clear
when
we're
talking
about
folks
who
are
using
syringes
to
take
in
drugs,
can
you
just
list
out
some
of
the
medical
concerns
with
shared
needles
that
I
believe
it
includes
HIV
hepatitis?
If
you
just
give
me
the
whole
list
of
what
shared
needles
does
sure.
G
So,
as
you've
already
stated
so
HIV
hepatitis,
C
and
bloodborne
pathogens,
so
we
are
giving
up
people
needles
as
a
source
of
harm
reduction.
So
we
have
seen
an
increase
in
endocarditis,
which
is
when
you
inject
a
substance,
and
it
brings
bacteria
or
other
substances
into
your
your
get
vessels
any
causes
damage
to
your
heart.
So
we're
looking
for
we're
trying
to
reduce
the
impact
of
those
particular
illnesses.
Those
particular
infections
and
they're
spread
in
our
communities
and.
B
G
B
B
B
G
But
I'll
just
go
backwards,
so
2022
is
7980.,
2021,
7704,
2020,
7564,
2019,
9384
and
2018
800
8272..
I
would
say,
though,
that
it's
when
you're
looking
at
these
numbers,
it's
important
to
note
that
these
are
Impressions.
So
this
is
when
EMS
is
encountering
somebody
in
the
field.
We
don't
have
sort
of
end
data,
meaning
exactly
confirmed
what
exactly
was
going
on
with
that
person.
If
it
was
just
alcohol,
if
alcohol
played
some
component,
you
know
how
much
alcohol
was
consumed,
but
certainly
these
are.
These
are
the
numbers
that
we
have
available
and.
G
These
are
the
best
data
that
we
have,
but
I
think
what
also
might
be
helpful
is
showing
these
in
relationship
to
the
number
of
times
that
EMS
interacts
with
patients
that
we
used
to
have
a
percentage
of
what,
if
this
I
think
you
gave
that
data
for
Chelsea.
So
we
would
like
to
provide
that
to
you
and
I
think
we
can,
after.
B
That
yeah
after
the
hearing,
that
would
be
great
because
I
think
one
of
the
major
aspects
of
this
is
that
there
was
a
direct
drop
off
exactly
we
don't
thereafter,
and
we
obviously
don't
have
that
drop
off.
But
it
would
be
nice
to
know
where
we
are
in
terms
of
the
actual
medical
numbers.
Are
those
numbers
broken
up
by
geographic
location.
B
B
Would
be
great,
and
so
we'll
show
once
you
get
that
to
the
council,
we'll
share
it
out
to
the
council.
I
might
have
more
questions
for
you
on
a
second
round
but
mischoice
a
couple.
Questions
first,
I
know
that
analyze
Boston
puts
the
number
of
total
liquor
stores
that
have
this
condition
at
70.,
but
we
believe
that's
an
undershoot.
Do
you
know
what
the
actual
number
is
as
of
right
now
that
have
this
condition?
We.
B
H
Licenses
and
transfer
or
any
new
license
that
comes
before
me
for
a
package
store
I
ask
if
they
would
voluntarily
agree
to
a
condition
of
not
selling
singles
or
miniature
bottles
and
I
have
never
had
anyone
encounter
that
negatively.
It's
usually
a
conversation
that
happens
at
the
community
level
based
on
community
feedback.
They
said,
you
know
the
new
application
comes
before
the
community
group
and
they
ask
them
to
agree
to
this
for
public
safety
reasons,
or
you
know
other
community
reasons
as
well.
B
B
We've
had
two
go
up
there,
but
in
Chelsea,
in
their
decision,
they
essentially
make
clear
that
licenses
to
sell
alcoholic
beverages
are
a
special
privilege
subject
to
public
regulation
and
control
and
then
in
Chelsea,
where
the
it
looks
like
where
they
appealed
was
on
the
idea.
This
was
a
modification
of
licenses
they've
already
had,
and
the
board
makes
very
specific
to
them
that
the
requirements
imposed
by
the
local
board
are
not
modifications
of
the
licensees,
because
modification
of
a
license
is
a
sanction
against
a
specific
licensee
for
licensing
boards.
B
Finding
that
the
license
violated
the
law,
but
instead
that
this
is
a
local
licensing
authority
pursuant
to
its
authority
to
promulgate
reasonable
requirements
for
the
way
all
licenses
conduct
their
businesses
and
thus
Banning.
The
sale
of
100
milliliter
bottles
of
alcohol,
and
this
is
from
Chelsea,
was
not
a
sanction
for
violating
the
law,
but
on
considerations
of
public
health
and
safety,
and
they
upheld
that
decision
for
them.
H
B
B
H
And
safety
obligated,
you
know,
licensing,
board-wide
regulations
with
respect
to
this.
Every
situation
is
different,
every
transfer
is
different,
every
application
is
different,
every
Community
is
different,
the
needs
are
different.
This
is
an
asset
of
the
business
and
sometimes
the
sale
of
one
of
these
licenses
takes
into
consideration.
Things
like
inventory-
and
let's
say
you
know-
30
percent
of
particular
licensees
inventory
is:
is
these
miniature
alcohol
singles
that
is
taken
into
consideration
with
the
cost
of
what
that
license?
Is
it's
a
private
transaction
between
two
parties?
B
So
I
guess
my
question
and
then
I'll
happily
go
around
so
that
I'll
just
do
a
second
round.
But
my
final
question
on
that
is
in
the
most
Cliff
note
version
as
you
can,
because
I
think
there's
a
lot
of
folks
watching
this
that
have
never
even
seen
or
know
about
the
licensing
board
and
the
process
that
it
goes
through.
What
is
the
process
that
the
licensing
board
goes
through
when
it
makes
a
decision
to
impose
this
kind
of
a
regulation.
H
We
have
free
members
of
the
licensing
board,
we
hold
public
hearings,
the
public
hearings
are
scheduled
and
at
the
hearing
we've
they've
already
had
a
community
meeting,
and
then
we
have
an
opportunity
for
people
to
come
to
our
board
and
offer
offer
testimony
and
support
of
something
offered.
Testimony
and
opposition
things
like
conditions
come
up.
Sometimes
it's
the
the
applicant
wants
to
stay
open
until
2
A.M,
but
the
community
wants
it
to
close
at
midnight.
Sometimes
it's
we
don't
want
you
to
sell
singles
or
miniature
bottles.
H
Sometimes
it's
please
turn
the
lights
off
the
you
know
neon
lights
off
in
front
at
a
certain
time.
Those
are
all
sorts
of
conditions.
This
condition
has
a
monetary
impact
to
it,
so
we
would
really
have
to
take
a
look
at
it
through
the
lens
of
both
sides.
Here
again,
these
licenses
are
bought
and
sold
privately
and
sometimes
the
cost
of
those
licenses
in
that
private
transaction
takes
into
consideration
the
ability
to
sell
these
types
of
things.
I
don't
get
into
that
I
don't
get
into
what
the
cost
of
the
license
is.
H
I,
wait
until
the
support
and
opposition
bubbles
up
to
my
level
and
my
co-commissioners
do
as
well,
and
they
take
all
that
into
consideration.
It's
a
reasonableness
factor.
Is
it
reasonable
to
turn
the
neon
lights
off
at
10
o'clock
or
to
make
sure
that
the
doors
are
locked
at
a
certain
time?
Those
are
those
are
all
other
conditions
we
take
into
consideration.
B
C
Thank
you,
Mr
chair,
thank
you
and
thank
you
Kathleen
for
the
responses
that
you
provided
in
to
your
professional
team
that
do
an
outstanding
job
working
for
the
residents
of
Boston.
My
my
question
would
be
to
you
Kathleen.
If
this
was
implemented,
would
it
would
the
current
liquor
stores
that
do
sell
these
small
miniature
bottles?
Would
they
would
they
be
kind
of
grandfathered
in
or
would
it
be
liquor
stores
going
forward?
That
would
not
be
able
to
sell
them
in
the
future.
Do
we
know
that.
H
C
Yeah
I've
been
I've,
been
on
many
hearings
where
I've
seen
this
happen
and
there's
really
no,
there
hasn't
been
any
issues
at
all.
So
I
want
to
compliment
the
the
licensing
board.
Is
there
any
I
I
know
what
the
positives
positive
situation
would
be
if
this
was
banned,
but
would
there
be
any
negative
aspect
to
it?
Do
we
can
we
think
of
any.
C
H
I,
don't
see
anything
negative
I
mean
I,
can't
put
myself
in
the
shoes
of
a
licensee
Who
currently
has
as
part
of
their
business
plan.
I
do
know
this
was
an
important
priority
of
Mayor
Walsh
and
he
is
the
first
person
that
I'm
aware
of
that.
That
actually
put
something
like
this
in
place
and
it's
worked
really
well.
We
haven't
had
any
negative
feedback
as
long
as
the
applicant
or
the
potential
licensee
is
aware
of
the
community
level
that
the
community
wants
this.
There
are
no
surprises
at
the
board
level.
H
We
want
to
make
sure
that
as
they
enter
into
negotiations
with
the
seller
or
with
the
community
that
they
understand
that
this
is
going
to
be
required
of
them
and
not
just
the
board
coming
down
and
enforcing
something
on
them.
That
has
been
my
Approach
since
the
beginning
and
if
they
get
to
the
board-
and
they
didn't
know
that
I
wanted,
because
it's
a
commission
on
them,
I
asked
them
to
go
back
and
work
it
out
with
the
community.
C
G
And
that
sort
of
thing
yeah,
I,
don't
have
that
data.
You
know
I
think
that's.
That
would
be
interesting
to
get
a
sense
just
environmentally.
If
that's
a
more
of
an
issue.
What
we
have
is
really
more
about
alcohol
use.
Success
use
hospitalizations
by
neighborhood,
so
I
don't
have
it
by
by
neighborhood.
G
Use
yes,
I
do
so
from
the
behavioral
risk
factors
after
study
in
2021
when
compared
to
the
rest
of
Boston,
the
alcohol
misuse.
This
hospitalization
rates
that
I
mentioned
were
higher
for
the
South
End
higher
for
Roxbury
and
higher
combined
for
Dorchester,
but
also
higher
for
the
areas
Back
Bay
Beacon,
Hill,
West
and
North
End
that
combined
region.
So
it's
really
something
that
affects
most
of
our
city
in
different
ways.
C
G
A
H
H
D
G
I
think
it's
all
the
above,
but
I
would
also
caveat
that
statement
by
saying
that
there
isn't
a
large
database
of
this
and
the
impact
of
this
intervention
on
clinical
outcomes
or
environmental
outcomes
that
I've
seen
I
think
that
people
are
doing
this.
As
we
said,
we've
heard
great
data
from
Chelsea
we've.
There's
data
from
other
locations.
I
know:
Chicago
has
a
program
a
number
of
other
locations,
but
in
terms
of
having
a
large
database
that
we
can
I
can
tell
you
evidence-based,
says
that
we
should
do
this
intervention.
It
will
lead
to
X
outcome.
G
D
Is
it
fair
to
say,
Obviously
the
public
health
concerns
around
alcohol
abuse
and
alcoholism
runs
from
liver
disease
to
kidney
disease,
to
heart,
failure
to
domestic
abuse
to
operating
under
the
influence
of
alcohol,
which
could
obviously
lead
to
motor
vehicle
homicide.
Things
like
that,
so
it
it
could
morph
into
sort
of
a
public
health,
public
safety
issue
right
and
so
one
of
my
issues,
our
concerns
is
that
seems
like
the
Public
Health
commission
seemed
to
kind
of
come
right
out
of
the
gate.
G
That's
what
we
were
talking
about
in
terms
of
transmission
of
bloodborne
pathogens.
So
we
know
that
that
is
one
of
the
reasons
that
we
do
syringe
service
provision
and
that
we,
you
know,
make
sure
that
we
collect
our
syringes
using
our
mobile
Sharps
team
and
we
actually
collect
three
times
as
many
that
we
actually
give
out.
So
we
really
do
have
an
aggressive
sort
of
program
here
in
Boston,
which
I'm
I'm,
proud
of
I
think
it
is
very,
it
is
dangerous
to
get
stuck
with
a
needle,
and
certainly
not
only.
G
You
know
there
is
a
risk
depending
on
how
much
blood
or
how
many
what's
left
in
the
actual
needle
and
the
bore
of
the
needle
there's,
certainly
a
risk
there.
So
we
we
are
very
aggressive
about
that,
and
harm
reduction
is
important
from
that
standpoint.
So
it's
not
just
important
for
the
individual,
which
would
explain
to
council
Arroyo,
but
it's
certainly
important
to
the
community.
D
So
my
issue
obviously
is
just
and
obviously
in
that
sphere
of
everything
with
the
public
health
Commission
in
terms
of
their
involvement
with
respect
to
Banning,
single
single
bottles
as
well,
as
obviously
make
sure
we're
collecting.
Yes,
these
right
and
the
material
that
goes
on
the
street
as
a
result
of
of
this.
So
we're
we're
treating
substance
abuse
a
particular
way
city
is
overseeing
the
the
needle
exchange
piece
of
it,
we're
also
in
the
process
of
that.
D
Getting
pricked
by
one
of
these
that
obviously
causes
a
whole
other
type
of
sort
of
trauma
and
hysteria,
as
opposed
to
seeing
a
discarded
single
on
the
ground
or
a
bottle
that
can't
be
recycled.
I
I
put
in
the
same
sphere
as
a
as
a
as
a
travel
travel
size.
Mouthwash
can't
do
that
with
either.
So
you
see
those
things
on
the
street
too,
but
anyways
that's
my
point.
Just
want
to
bring
It
full
circle
for
folks.
D
So
I
appreciate
your
time
and
attention
Dr
to
the
details
and
if
there's
a
way
through
the
commissioner
to
get
account,
I
mean
I.
I
would
assume
that
we
could
reach
out
to
vendors.
Get
a
census
of
sort
of
what
their
inventory
is
and
what
they
do.
Maybe
even
we
can
get
a
sense
from
them
how
much,
how
many
of
them
they
sell
a
month,
and
then
we
multiply
that
by
the
number
of
stores
that
sell
across
the
city
to
kind
of
we,
so
we
can
at
least
quantify
this.
D
D
F
H
F
F
I
H
H
Yes,
the
sale,
it's
Community
impact,
it's
Public,
Safety
I,
don't
get
it
as
a
regulator;
I
don't
get
involved
in
the
private
sale.
I.
Look
at
whether
or
not
it's
appropriate
to
have
a
license
at
this
location
and
whether
or
not
this
person
is
an
appropriate
license,
holder,
I
don't
get
into
the
sale.
I
don't
get
into
any
of
those
negotiations
about
whether
or
not
they
sell
miniature
alcohol
bottles
or
not.
H
F
Yeah
great-
and
you
talked
a
little
bit
about
this-
if
this
were
to
pass
the
possibility
of
it
being
contested
in
court.
So
would
it
be
the
Court's
decision
if
it
was
contested
in
court,
it
would
be
the
Court's
decision
on
whether
or
not
this
would
be
considered
a
reasonable
request,
I
believe
so
it
and
if
it's
not,
then
it
would
just
continue,
but
you
think
for
sure
it
will
be.
F
F
Not
it
was
considered
a
reasonable
request.
I
think
that
is
all
my
question.
I
think.
My
last
question
is
for
Dr
ojikutu
because
we're
having
this
cup.
We
continue
to
have
this
conversation
about
what
we're
investing
in
and
prioritizing
in
at
the
Boston
Public
Health
commission
I
know
that
we
have
a
number
of
needle
return.
F
Programs
and
I
know
that
you
have
a
needle
pickup
programs
and
I
know
that
either
the
public
work
department
or
parts
of
the
Boston
Public
Health
commission
go
to
parks
and
areas
that
are
high
risk
and
go
pick
up
needles.
So
you
would
say
that
there
is
at
least
a
monetary
and
people
investment
that
is
like
that's
happening
from
on
behalf
of
the
city
right
now
to
clean
up
needles.
Absolutely
would
you
say
that
we're
making
the
same
kind
of
investment
to
clean
up
these
miniature
alcohol
bottles.
G
I
have
to
say
that
I
have
not
I,
don't
know
from
DPW
standpoint,
what
exactly
they're
picking
up
and
how
much
they're
picking
up
on
a
routine
basis.
I
don't
have
that
data.
What
I
know
is
that
we
are
making
a
significant
investment
in
our
mobile
Sharps
team
and
our
community
Redemption
program
and
other
services
that
we're
doing
on
a
daily
basis,
as
as
you
well
know
so,
I
would
need
DPW
to
say
more
about
what
they
do
in
terms
of
picking
up.
F
But
in
the
term
of
prioritization
we
are
very
much
prioritizing
given
given
given
the
the
impact
of
needles
in
the
neighborhood.
We
are
prioritizing
it's
a
priority
and
we
are
putting
financial
resources
of
the
city
to
make
sure
that
those
are
picked
up.
Great
I
think
those
are
all
my
questions
for
now.
Thank
you.
Thank.
A
B
Thank
you
and
I'll
just
say
that
I'll
advocate
for
the
budget
to
make
sure
we
have
some
more
DPW
and
some
more
Sharps
pick
up.
I
think
it's
important
that
we
get
both
so
I
appreciate.
Make
that
a
part
of
my
advocacy
as
well
quick
question
on
the
medical
emergencies.
I
thought
those
numbers,
the
most
recent
ones
sort
of
looked
like
they
made
the
exact
same
Spike
that
you
referenced
at
10,
35
percent.
So.
G
There
was
a
decrease
actually
from
2019,
but
remember
oh
I,
guess
I
should
say
what
I
was
talking
about
earlier
was
really
looking
at
National
national
day
and
really
I'm
talking
here
about
what
EMS
is
doing
on
a
annual
basis
in
regards
to
alcohol
related
incidents
that
are
Impressions.
That
makes
it
a
little
bit
more
difficult
to
compare
those
data
in
terms
of
percentages,
but
clearly
there
there
has
been
an
increase
from
2020
to
2022..
Let
me
take
a
deeper
dive
into
these
data.
Like.
B
B
B
There's
a
lot
of
one
of
the
things
that
has
been
it
sort
of
seems
like
obvious
when
you
do
it,
but
a
number
of
the
Outreach
that
I've
received
is
how
these
miniature
bottles
are
preferred
by
people
who
drink
and
drive,
because
they're
easier
to
conceal
from
law
enforcement
and
they're
easier
to
dispose
of
out
of
a
window,
which
is
why
sometimes
we
find
these
on
the
streets,
and
so
that's
more
anecdotal.
But
what
I
would
love
to
know
is
what
percentage
of
EMS
contacts
related
to
drugs
versus
alcohol?
B
What
that
percentage
is
so,
for
instance,
one
of
the
things
that
was
striking
to
me
was
that
the
overdose
numbers
I
think
the
way
this
came
out
in
Chelsea
when
they
come
up.
We'll
have
this
question,
but
what
led
them
to
this
was
that
they
were
actually
investigating
opiate,
opioids
opiates
and
sort
of
overdot
Overdose
statistics,
and
it
turned
out
that
the
alcohol
statistics
were
like
way
past
that
do
we
have
anything
similar
here
so.
J
G
B
G
K
H
B
I
think
I,
remember
when
folks
were
having
the
cannabis
as
a
gateway
drug
conversation,
that
a
lot
of
the
data
showed
that
the
actual
gateway
to
more
hard
like
narcotics
was
actually
alcoholism
at
an
early
age
or
alcoholism
in
general.
Is
that
data
relevant
here?
Is
there
actually
a
correlation
between
alcohol
abuse
at
a
younger
age
and
heavy
narcotic
use
later
in
life?.
G
So
there
are
data
that
have
demonstrated
that
substance
use
early
in
life
does
predict
predispose
to
substance
use
later
in
life.
I
mean
that
I
think
is,
has
been
well
documented,
both
from
our
Behavior
or
risk
surveillance
studies,
and
we
have
like
a
youth
surveillance
study
that
you
know
has
been
documented,
but
I
don't
know
that
it's
specifically
relates
or
even
mentions
this
mini
alcohol
use.
G
B
B
If
we
can
see
if
they
have
that
number
as
well,
yes,
that
would
be
phenomenal.
Thank
you
because
I
know,
one
of
the
concerns
that
was
brought
up
to
me
was
from
parents.
Was
that
the
reason
that
these
end
up
in
parks
and
playgrounds
isn't
because
grown-ups
are
bringing
them
to
parks
and
playgrounds
and
so
it'd
be.
It
would
be
very
interesting
to
see
if
there's
any
data
that
shows
any
Impressions
based
on
sort
of
Youth
and
age.
B
Obviously,
it's
not
going
to
break
down
to
how
they
received
that
alcohol
or
what
kind
of
alcohol
they
received,
but
I
think
it
would
be
for
this
and
for
other
reasons,
good
data
to
have
and
then
on
the
licensing
board
side.
Just
in
terms
of
this
going
to
court,
they
would
be
looking
at
specifically
whether
or
not
it's
a
reasonable
requirement.
That's
the
legal
standard
correct
that
they
would
be
questioning.
Essentially
whether
or
not
the
the
the
ban
of
a
single
or
a
miniature
is
a
legal,
reasonable
requirement,
tied.
B
To
the
entirety
of
the
city,
and
is
it
fair
to
say
back
here
or
here?
Whichever
way
we
want
to
go
on
this,
that
alcoholism
and
like
related
events
of
public
intoxication
or
public
littering
or
public
nuisance
or
crime,
those
aren't
restricted
to
any
one
part
of
Boston
correct.
Those
are
those
are
Universal
issues
for
the
entire
city.
Is
that
fair
to
say.
L
H
B
Already
have
this:
this
is
from
Analyze
Boston
So.
Eventually,
when
you
send
me
the
numbers
we'll
be
able
to
say
just
how
much,
but
just
off
of
analyze,
Boston
it's
every
single
neighborhood
has
at
least
one,
and
so
if
each
neighborhood
is
using
as
a
reasonable
requirement,
the
public,
health
and
safety,
then
it's
safe
to
say
that
it's
a
city-wide
issue.
If
it's
been
done
in
every
neighborhood
at
least
once
you
don't
have
to.
H
H
B
B
That's
fair,
so
I
can't
say
this:
here's
why
I'm
asking
to
be
true:
here's
why
I'm
asking
when
the
licensing
board
takes
into
account
the
Banning
of
a
singles
or
Miniatures
for
a
liquor
store
or
a
package
store?
What's
the
area
or
circumference
of
impact
that
they
are
actually
looking
at?
Is
it
just
that
street?
Is
it
that
corner.
H
I
we
I
don't
know
I,
don't
I,
don't
take
out
a
map,
I
listen
to
the
community
feedback.
So
when
this
licensee
goes
to
a
community
meeting,
you
talk
about
their
license.
I,
listen
to
what
happens
at
that.
I
am
I'm
informed
by
the
discussion
that
happens
at
the
community
level.
We
don't
survey
the
neighbors
and
say
so.
B
H
B
H
B
C
So
my
question,
Dr,
ojakutu
I,
know
I,
know
we're
having
this
comparison
between
alcohol
and
in
in
drugs
in
the
shops.
So
I,
guess
I,
guess:
I'll
ask
a
couple
of
shops
questions
since
that's
also
part
of
the
conversation,
so
how
much
and
and
I
referenced
this
because
we're
going
into
the
budget
budget
season
now
and
it's
important
that
we
have
the
necessary
resources
to
pick
up
shops
and
we're
hearing
frequently
that
many
of
our
parks
are
are
being
subjected
to.
So
many
of
these
needles,
discarded
in
kids,
can't
play
sports.
C
That
would
be
great
and
I
I.
Ask
that
because
I
I,
really
don't
think
and
and
I
don't
mean
to
call
out
my
colleagues
but
I
really
don't
think
this
city
council
is
doing
enough
on
needles
and
pox
I.
Think
I
think
we
need
to
do
more.
I
think
we
add,
we
need
to
advocate,
for
more
shops,
pick
up
support
resources.
C
This
is
a
critical
issue
playing
you
know,
kids,
playing
baseball
in
the
summertime
or
kids
playing
basketball
or
kids
of
seniors
I
see
a
lot
of
seniors
walking
in
Parks
as
well,
kids
on
playgrounds,
but
I
I
really
think
we
need
to
do
more
in
terms
of
shops,
pickup
and
I
think
it
needs
to
be
a
priority
from
this
body
from
the
city
council
to
focus
on
this
issue
to
stay
focused
on
this
issue,
because
this
is
a
quality
of
life
issue.
This.
C
C
So
I'm
gonna
I'm
gonna
ask
my
colleagues
if
if
they
think
it
is
a
priority
that
we
need
to
make
sure
we
have
the
resources
to
deal
with
this,
so
I
guess
my
question:
Dr
ojokuto
are
you?
Are
you
comfortable
with
the
with
the
amount
of
money
you
have
for
shops
pick
up
in
in
the
city
or
do
you
think
you
need
more.
G
So
I
think
that
it's
an
incredibly
important
issue
and
it
has
been
a
priority,
and
certainly
we
could
use
more
resources
to
put
more
people
on
the
street
to
put
more
services
out
there
to
make
sure
that
there
are
no
needles
that
have
been
discarded
and
both
our
mobile
Sharps
team
and
our
community.
Syringe
Redemption
program
could
use
more
funding
and.
C
C
C
My
priority
is
as
we
go
forward
during
the
spring
and
summer,
when
kids
are
playing
sports
and
in
parks
and
using
parks
and
kids
who
are
at
playgrounds.
That's
when
we
really
need
to
redouble
our
efforts
on
shops,
pickup,
so
I
think
it's
I
think
it's
a
priority
and
I
I
think
our
councilors
need
to
need
to
do
more
on
this
issue
and
and
be
more
engaged.
D
Thank
you,
Mr
chairman,
just
want
to
double
down
on
that
and
for
it
was
prior
to
your
10-year
doctor
and
prior
to
most
of
my
colleagues
coming
to
the
city
council
at
this
party,
the
Boston
city
council
have
supported
the
shops
program
since
its
Inception
and
I
led
efforts
several
years
ago
to
increase
that
team
to
make
sure
the
team
has
expanded
and
funded,
but
and
also
have
seen
it
in
use
in
terms
of
when
folks
have
been,
there
have
called
the
3-1-1.
They
are
super
responsive.
That
team
gets
there.
D
G
M
D
Been
a
little
off
that
day,
they
are
on
it
so
so
kudos
to
to
the
shop
steam
that
they
get
pulled
in
a
number
of
different
directions
and
the
reason
we
did
that
was
because
so
many
needles
were
finding
their
way
to
parks
and
to
playgrounds
and
to
ball
fields
into
the
beaches.
That's
right,
and
so
you
know,
I
I
want
to
make
it
known
that
the
correlation,
I
guess
between
needles
and
these
single
bottles
is
they.
D
They
really
make
it
home
whether
you're
buying
single
bottle
or
you're,
getting
the
four
pack.
They
really
make
it
back
to
where
you
know
where
they
got
it
from
and
so,
as
a
result
of
which
they
end
up
in
the
street
in
the
gutters
in
the
parks
in
the
playground.
So
we
have
a
responsibility
to
double
down
our
efforts,
so
I'll
I'll
work
with
all
of
my
colleagues
and
you
to
make
sure
that
there's
appropriate
funding
and
or
that
the
Manpower
and
the
ftes
are
there
in
the
commiserate.
D
What
we're
hearing
and
I
I
hear
it
Citywide
as
an
outlash
Council
I
get
calls
from
every
corner
of
the
city
with
concerns
around
finding
of
the
needle
so
and
then
also
I
know
that
we
are
oftentimes
sort
of
look
at
the
single
alcohol
and
we
sort
of
I
guess
attribute
that
to
Youth
and
we.
But
we
know
that.
That's
also
not
the
case
and
I
think
you're,
seeing
it
now
with
young
kids
and
young
adults
and
I
couldn't
think
of
the
name
of
my
opening
but
they're
calling
them
borgs.
G
D
So
it's
actually
now
it's
like
a
full
leader
of
of
alcohol
plus,
you
know
a
Gatorade
packet
or
you
know
Pedialyte
or
something
to
give
it
like
a
Cutlery,
Foody
favor,
and
then
you
know
and
they're
participating
in
this
board
process
and
in
a
relatively
short
period
of
time.
These
kids
are
in
real
trouble
finding
themselves
in
real
trouble
and
from
a
from
a
public
health
standpoint,
but
and
many
maybe
getting
themselves
into
some
Public
Safety
trouble
so
I
again
from
an
education,
an
awareness
standpoint.
D
Not
quite
sure
that
that's
the
case
anymore,
given
that
we're
seeing
all
these
other
things
that
are
happening
plus
the
pot
and
the
Edibles,
it's
just
it's
all
everything's
been
sort
of
I,
guess,
destigmatized
to
the
point
where
I
guess
it's
that's
a
free-for-all
out
there
with
respect
to
young
kids
and
young
adults
getting
their
hands
on
on
what
they're
going
to
try.
First,
you
know:
is
it
going
to
be
a
single
bottle?
Is
it
going
to
be
inedible?
Is
it
going
to
be
pot?
Is
it
going
to
be
a
borg?
D
Is
it
going
to
be
something
worse
than
that
so,
but
we
have
a
responsibility
one
to
protect
them
and
to
provide
educational
awareness
around
it
and
to
make
sure
that
you
and
your
team
and
the
commissioner
and
her
team
have
the
resources
that
they
need
to
keep
up
with
the
flow
here,
because
it's
fast-paced
and
and
ever-changing,
but
I
just
want
to
let
it
be
known
that
this
body
has
always
supported
that
program.
They
do
great
work
and
and
I
had
led
efforts
to
increase
that
capacity.
Several
years
ago,
I,
it's
dating
me
now
I.
D
This
might
have
started,
maybe
the
shots
was
like
2015-ish,
15,
16
and
then
I
think
in
2019-20
we
passed
some
some
regulations
around
the
pharmacies
as
well,
so
we've
been
on
it.
This
party's,
been
on
it
there's
been,
there's
been
a
partnership
with
the
Public
Health
commission,
so
I
want
to
make
sure
that
that's
not
lost
in
this
hearing
and
making
sure
that.
D
City,
council
and
I,
thank
you
for
that,
and
it's
a
collective
effort
and
it's
a
just
about
the
bottles
and
discarded,
but
we're
gonna
we're
gonna.
Look
at
this.
We
need
to
have
it,
go
in
with
our
eyes
wide
open
and
do
this
sort
of
the
full,
the
full
360
and
identify
other
areas
where
we
may
be
deficient
or
we
could
that's
right,
increase
our
efforts
again.
It's
all
our
success
stories
about
Partnerships,
it's
about
collaboration
and
making
sure
that
we
stay
focused
on
things.
So
absolutely
appreciate
that.
Thank
you
doctor.
Thank
you,
commissioner.
F
If
any
of
my
Council
colleagues
see
it
fit
to
file
a
hearing
order
to
continue
this
conversation,
I'm
really
grateful
for
the
work
that
has
happened
here
before
I
was
elected
as
a
city
council,
and
obviously
this
is
an
ongoing
issue.
That's
going
to
take
more
than
us
checking
in
about
it
every
few
years,
so
just
wanted
to
extend
the
invitation
that
I'm
happy
to
hold
any
hearings
or
provide
any
support.
If
any
of
my
colleagues
see
it
fit,
thank
you.
A
Thank
you,
Council
Laura
and
that's
music
to
any
department.
Has
yes
right
before
budget
season,
so
thank
you,
panelists
Dr,
ojikutu
and
Cat
executive
director
Joyce
for
joining
us
here
today.
In
your
testimony,
thank
you
and
while
we
are
taking
the
next
piano,
who
is
council
president
Roy
avalinda
I'm
a
virgin
Linda.
B
N
M
Steve
Steven
Rubin
I'm
on
the
owner
of
Huntington
Wine
and
Spirits,
one
of
the
oldest
stores
in
oldest
stores
in
Boston,
established
1936
still
trying
to
survive.
I
also
represent
the
Massachusetts
package.
Tour
Association,
which
we
have
hundreds
of
members
here
in
the
city
of
Boston
I,
have
a
few
factual
data
facts,
but
first
off
I
am
surprised
very
surprised
that
we
didn't
have
more
notice
of
this
hearing.
I
think
it
just
came
about
on
Friday,
and
we
would
have
had
more
retailers
here
to
speak
about
this.
M
A
few
few
facts:
the
public
private
partnership,
Works
phenomenal
in
the
city
of
Boston.
About
17
years
ago,
the
Boston
Police
Department,
the
captain
and
our
Precinct
had
a
meeting
with
all
the
Back
Bay
retailers
at
that
time,
Miniatures,
which
we
don't
want
to
use
the
red
nibs,
because
we
have
so
many
Asian
customers
right
now.
So
that
was
a
good
point
that
Council
Flaherty
made.
M
M
and
take
care
of
their
neighborhood
and
clean
up
in
front
of
their
stores,
and
if
there's
a
park
across
the
street,
they
were
asked
to
clean
that
up.
This
went
extremely
well.
It
was
the
public-private
partnership
that
can
work
also
during
St
Patrick's
Day
every
year
for
the
parade,
the
city
came
to
us
all,
the
stores
in
Boston
and
asked
us
not
to
sell
Minis
well,
what
happened
was
the
worst
thing
for
alcoholism,
everyone
up
to
the
next
size,
and
that
was
a
quarter
pint,
100
ml.
M
So,
what's
going
to
happen
here
as
a
retailer
for
45
years,
my
store
is
86
years,
but,
as
everyone
knows,
I'm,
not
that
old,
what's
going
to
happen
here
is
a
200.
Ml
is
going
to
be
the
next
size
up,
that's
a
container
that
you
can't
drink
in
public.
So
what's
going
to
happen
to
that
container,
a
200
mL,
it's
going
to
be
a
big
problem,
so
that's
going
to
increase
alcoholism
for
most.
M
The
answer
is
a
public-private
partnership
that
will
work
I'm
reaching
out,
because
the
band
of
this
Nature
has
proven
to
generate
no
measurable
impacts
on
systematic
littering
or
public
intoxication,
but
they
were
directly
harm
and
potentially
ruin
small
and
minority-owned
businesses
and
there's
so
many
in
the
city
of
Boston.
These
businesses
are
highly
stressed
as
it
is.
What
works
is
private
Public
Partnerships
between
retailers
and
municipalities
such
as,
what's
been
accomplished
across
the
straight
state
to
reduce
access
to
alcohol
by
minors?
M
M
This
has
been
introduced
during
the
2020
23
legislative
session
to
include
many
bottles
of
spirits
in
the
bottle.
Bill
four
bills
are
available
last
session
for
three
sessions
in
a
row.
Mass
pack,
members
in
all
the
stores
in
Boston,
have
supported
expansion
of
the
state
bottle
bill
because
it
incentivizes
citizens
to
pick
up
discarded
items
that
can
be
recycled.
M
This
is
the
best
solution
to
address
Statewide
litter.
In
fact,
55
million
dollars
in
unclaimed
deposits
are
sitting
in
the
state
right
now
that
money
can
be
used
to
clean
up
the
parks
we
talked
about
today.
Cleaning
up
needles,
cleaning
up
miniature
bottles
used
some
of
that
money
to
clean
up
the
Parks
have
more
barrels.
That's
the
answer
in
solution
is,
is
a
joint
effort
for
a
cleanup.
M
Meanwhile,
a
bill
would
needlessly
hurt
small
businesses
that
are
in
competition
with
neighboring
cities
and
towns,
because
towns
people
will
show
up
for
the
banned
products
elsewhere.
Look
to
what
happened
in
Chelsea,
since
the
ban
in
Chelsea
revenues
at
stores
plummeted.
No,
they
didn't
go
out
of
business,
but
ask
them
how
bad
their
sales
have
been,
while
the
sales
increase
63.9
percent
in
East,
Boston,
25.8
percent
in
Revere
and
13.8
percent
in
Everett,
the
sales
data
from
the
suppliers
speaks
for
itself.
This
all
these
facts
came
from
suppliers.
M
M
The
hundreds
of
retailers
in
Boston
helped
generate
over
19
000
Massachusetts
jobs,
and
they
are
part
of
an
industry
that
provides
over
100
million
dollars
in
excise
taxes
to
the
state
of
Massachusetts.
In
addition,
its
local
retailers
are
the
contributors
to
go
in
town,
Charities,
Little,
League
teams,
beautification
initiatives.
An
example
is
direct
support
for
the
keep
America
beautiful
program
that
covers
it,
Massachusetts
consumers
to
properly
dispose
of
their
litter.
This
effort
is
sponsored
by
beer,
Wine
and
Spirits
in
retailers
across
the
state,
including
many
of
the
stores
in
Boston.
M
M
In
fact,
the
Massachusetts
package
to
our
society
Association
has
supported
all
the
stores
to
pick
up
in
front
of
the
stores
and
if
there's
a
park
across
the
street,
we
always
ask
them
being
a
member
of
the
board
of
Massachusetts
package
Association
to
clean
up
the
parks
or
anything
in
the
neighborhood.
So
this
is
a
joint
effort
again
I
strongly
sincere,
be
sincere
and
I
want
to
be
a
Monday
night.
Quarterback
Banning,
the
Banning,
the
size,
the
50
ml
size
of
Miniatures
only
will
create
a
200
mL
size.
M
In
fact,
suppliers
liquor
suppliers
in
the
nation
are
increasing
their
supply
of
200
mL
bottles.
So
this
is
going
to
have
a
major
effect
that
people
are
going
to
drink
more
and
what
are
they
going
to
do
with
a
200
mL
bottle
it's
going
to
actually
help
litter,
maybe
they'll,
throw
it
out
in
a
container
I
strongly
suggest
we
all
work
on
a
litter
campaign,
maybe
maybe
having
a
mini
bottle.
The
mandatory
that
could
not
be
sold
for
under
a
dollar.
Fifty
most
places
are
99
Cents
that
could
help
a
dollar.
Fifty
miniature
bottle.
M
I
strongly
suggest
that
as
what
we
did
with
the
police
department
17
years
ago,
and
everyone
raised
their
prices,
it
was
a
phenomenal
effort
by
the
city
of
Boston
and
the
police.
Also
like
we
talked
about
the
St
Patrick's
Day
Parade
every
year,
the
city
asks
us
not
to
sell
Miniatures.
Of
course
everyone
bought
the
next
size
up
now
this
I
just
just
didn't
finish.
This
year
we
sold
less
minis
than
ever.
M
It
was
phenomenal
and
if
you
did
research,
you
will
find
that
most
of
the
stores
sell,
less
mini
Miniatures
times
have
changed,
people's
attitudes
have
changed,
and
people
are
drinking
differently,
they're,
actually
drinking
better
products
and
they're
not
and
the
average
person
that
buys
the
50
ml.
You
don't
have
to
worry
about.
Thank.
M
J
Yes,
good
afternoon,
I'm
Victoria,
Gaul
and
I'm
a
volunteer
with
keep
height,
Park
beautiful,
a
very
active
Community
organization,
which
aims
to
keep
Hyde
Park
a
cleaner,
greener
in
a
more
beautiful
place
to
live,
work,
learn
and
play
for
more
than
five
years.
The
leadership
of
Kathy
horn,
the
group
founder
we've
been
focusing
on
beautification
and
Community
Greening
projects,
recycling,
education,
building,
a
sense
of
community
litter
prevention,
education
and
cleanup,
and
we've
actually
have
a
tip.
A
brochure.
Do
your
part
to
keep
Hyde
Park
beautiful
tips
for
business
owners
and
managers.
J
J
We
have
monthly
flash
mobs
to
clean
specific
locations
in
Hyde
Park
and
about
a
dozen
of
us
regularly
clean
around
our
own
block
I'm
here
today
to
share
our
experiences
with
discarded
miniature
alcohol
bottles,
which
are
all
over
Boston
in
2021
and
in
2022
we
challenged
ourselves
to
collect
ten
thousand
Miniatures
that
were
littering
our
neighborhood
to
show
appreciation
for
our
endeavors.
A
high
Park
liquor
store
owner
offered
five
cents
for
each
we
picked
up,
and
that
was
five
hundred
dollars
for
ten
thousand
I
counted
them
and
I
kept
them
in
my
garage.
J
We
easily
did
this
each
time
in
a
few
months.
It
was
very
shocking
to
see
dozens
of
plastic
bags
full
of
singles
put
directly
into
dumpsters.
These
bottles
are
too
small
to
be
recycled
because
they
clog
the
machinery.
Our
efforts
definitely
raised
awareness,
but
it
did
not
change
littering
Behavior.
J
A
liquor
store
parking
lot
in
Roslindale
parking
lot
in
a
bus
stop
across
from
a
liquor
store
in
Mattapan
and
also
in
Mattapan
Square
on
the
streets
and
in
a
playground
with
benches
near
a
liquor
store
in
Hyde
Park,
dozens
in
the
Fairmont
Reedville
in
Hyde
Park,
train
stations
on
the
tracks
and
in
parking
lots
at
the
Post
Office
Park
in
Hyde
Park,
and
also
at
Wolcott
Square,
where
there
is
a
liquor
store.
We
are
disheartened
and
have
a
clean
or
in
cleanup
fatigue.
J
Keep
Hyde
Park
beautiful
will
not
have
another
10
000
bottle
challenge
until
we
see
a
city
and
Statewide
effort
to
address
the
littering
problem
through
a
combination
of
Education
to
change
Behavior
enforcement,
especially
where
you
see
a
sign
that
says
no
loitering
and
no
drinking
and
through
legislation
Banning.
The
sale
of
Miniatures
in
Boston
is
an
option
and
should
make
a
difference,
but
it
won't
stop
the
broader
littering
problem.
Keep
Hyde
Park
beautiful
has
some
suggestions
which
we
would
be
happy
to
discuss
at
another
time.
Thank
you.
A
L
L
N
You
and
I
want
to
thank
the
Boston
city
council
subcommittee,
for
this
invite
for
the
opportunity
to
discuss
Chelsea's
experience
with
the
Banning
of
the
miniatures
and
just
to
give
you
some
historical
reference
here.
Like
you,
a
counselors
I
was
presented
at
budget
to
continue
to
support
at
the
time
our
efforts
to
deal
with
the
opioid
crisis,
and
we
were
now
in
the
second
year
of
funding.
What
was
the
Navigator
position
of
Jason
Rowan's?
N
N
It
was
eight
times
the
responses
for
alcohol
to
Narcan
to
opiates
rather-
and
so
it
begged
the
question,
if
we
were
doing
so
much
at
the
time,
spending
so
much
money
on
the
issue
of
opiates.
Yet
obviously
the
problem
with
what
was
going
on
and
where
our
resources
were
being
directed
and
used
was
for
the
alcoholism
that
was
going
on
in
our
community,
then
shouldn't
we
do
something
there,
and
so
there
began
the
the
change
and
where
having
been
a
former
commissioner
on
the
license
board,
also
having
to
to
punish
at
the
time.
N
If
a
restaurant,
if
you
were
a
bar
or
you
were
a
restaurant
and
you
over
served
and
at
the
time
Captain
Holland,
then
I'm
sorry
Chief
Holton
was
then
Captain
was
a
delegate
to
the
licensed
Board
of
hearing
to
the
License
Board.
If
a
bar
arrested
or
overserved-
and
you
found
someone
that
left
that
establishment
over
intoxicated
or
served
underage,
you
were
punished,
you
could
lose
your
license.
N
You
could
be
suspended
for
months
at
a
time,
yet
we
were
doing
nothing
to
the
the
retail
liquor
establishments
that
were
definitely
catering
to
a
segment
of
our
society.
Our
residents
who
were
being
over
served-
and
we
see
them
everywhere,
so
thus
began
the
the
ban
and
we've
implemented
first,
the
ban
of
50
millimeter
bottles,
and
then
we
went
to
the
100.
N
As
far
as
you
know,
the
problem
itself,
Council
of
clarity
talked
about.
You
know
a
certain
outrage
that
this
shares
when
they
see
discarded
needles
and
we
do,
and
we
in
in
Chelsea
react
the
same
way:
I've
seen
social
posts
from
parents,
angry
parents
who
see
the
the
needles
in
the
Parks-
and
let
me
tell
you
what
does
it
say
about
a
society
when
we
are
just
walking
by
all
these
bottles
and
we're
not
sharing
the
similar
outrage.
As
someone
who
grew
up
in
a
minority,
poor
neighborhood
I
will
tell
you
the
alcoholism.
N
N
N
N
Is
it
proper?
We
know
now,
we've
decided
I
think
as
a
society
that
we
know
having
a
police
officer
without
someone
who
works
as
a
navigator,
such
as
Jason
Owens,
respond
consistently
over
and
over
again
that
way,
that
would
that
was
always
a
response
of
the
general
public.
If
there's
someone
drunk
passed
out,
just
call
the
cops,
but
we
know
that
is
not
the
answer.
That
is
not
proper
use.
That's
just
going
to
continue
to
spend
many
of
the
calls.
N
N
N
N
That's
an
incredible
amount
of
resources,
no
longer
driven
used
by
the
public
safety
officials,
because
we
simply
ban
nips
I
will
say
that
we
knew
the
ritual
stores
were
catering
to
the
alcoholics
when
you're
telling
me
that
25
to
35
percent
of
your
business
is
selling
Minis,
not
a
bottle
of
wine
to
go
with
dinner,
not
a
case
of
beer
to
share.
You
know
on
on
Sunday
with
watching
football
with
your
friends
when
25
to
35
is
minis.
What
does
that
tell
me
about
your
business
who
you're
catering
to
we
had
it?
N
Yes,
Chelsea
got
cleaner.
There
was
less
litter,
immediate
overnight
success
on
disappearance
of
bottles
around
the
city
of
Chelsea.
The
only
area
that
continuously
that's
still
today
sometimes
still
has
a
collection
of
bottle.
The
nips
is
the
intersection
of
Route
16
in
Washington
Ave.
Why?
Because
that
is
a
major
traffic,
stop
major
light
for
all
the
commuters
of
the
North
Shore
that
stopped
in
Chelsea.
You
have
people
who
are
coming
on
their
way
to
work.
N
N
They've
asked:
is
this
an
anti-business
solution
or
will
have
negative
impact
to
businesses?
I
will
tell
you
that
in
the
city
of
Chelsea,
the
main
when
we
first
discussed
this
about
implementing
this
ban,
we
were
thinking
about
just
doing
it.
In
the
downtown
area.
We
were
going
to
only
impact
the
four
or
five
retail
liquor
establishments
in
the
downtown
area,
but
in
speaking
to
the
city
manager,
I
convinced
them.
N
No,
we
had
to
go
city-wide
because
it
wouldn't
be
fair
to
just
do
downtown
and
yet
those
sales
and
those
other
you
give
a
competitive
Advantage
our
sales
and
push
those
sales,
the
type
of
sales
we're
trying
to
eliminate
to
the
outskirts.
So
we
did
all
of
them.
Our
downtown
area
transformed
once
we
got
rid
of
the
alcoholism
effect.
Again
we
needed
to
have
the
Outreach
to
the
individuals
that
were
panhandling
and
hanging
around
and
were
disruptive
to
the
other
businesses.
Once
those
the
ban
went
into
place.
N
Downtown
Broadway
is
now
revitalized
all
the
other
businesses
that
were
suffering
from
having
this
negative
impact
of
those
individuals
hanging
around
again,
if
you're
a
family-
and
you
want
to
go
to
a
restaurant-
you
want
to
shop,
it
was
a
deterrent
to
have
that
sort
of
environment
downtown.
No
one
wanted
to
bring
their
children.
When
you
were
seeing
these
individuals
passed
out
across
the
city
lawn.
No
one
wanted
to
walk
by
the
restaurant.
When
you
have
someone
panhandling,
so
they
can
get
their
fix
at
the
alcohol
at
the
retail
liquor
store.
N
N
N
N
This
problem
is
pervasive:
it's
not
just
in
neighborhoods
like
Chelsea.
It
is
across
all
social
economic
areas
and
wherever
these
retail
stores
are
located,
you
will
see
these
sort
of
individuals
helping
and
they
need
help.
But
like
the
drug
war,
you
cannot
just
help
those
victims.
You
have
to
go
after
the
perpetrators,
who
are
catering
specifically
to
them.
You
don't
you
go
after
the
drug
dealers
and
you
help
those
who
are
drug
addicted
and
that's
how
you
win
this
and
that's
how
I
see
this.
N
N
I
Good
afternoon
members
of
the
Boston
city,
council
and
chair,
thank
you
for
having
us.
I
won't
continue
with
the
former
Council
I
mean
it
has
said,
but
I
did
the
research
back
in
2016
through
19
and
I
was
alone.
The
law
was
on
drugs,
the
law
was
on
opioids
and
it
was.
It
was
almost
eight
times
more
likely.
You
would
be
hospitalized
in
Chelsea
on
an
ambulance
run
for
alcohol-related
issues
where
all
our
resources
were
going
toward
the
opioid
Pro
problem.
We
were
missing
not
only
on
the
illness,
which
was
hidden.
I
We
were,
the
business
area
was
being
pretty
much
destroyed,
the
Broadway
Corridor,
no
one
was
going
down
the
Broadway
Corridor
of
Chelsea.
We
had
a
specific
clientele.
Chelsea
is
a
poor
urban
community.
It's!
What
to
me,
I.
Consider
myself
almost
like
a
neighborhood
of
Boston
we're
just
across
the
river
similar
in
size
to
Charlestown
the
demographics,
mostly
Latino.
We
have
a
huge
population
from
Central
America,
a
lot
of
them
homeless,
a
lot
of
them
unfortunately
addicted
to
alcohol,
and
what
we
saw
was
the
50
milliliter
bottles
being
purchased
continuously.
I
So
these
businesses
and
we
did
work
with
the
business
as
well,
speak
on
later
we're
catering
to
their
clientele.
We
actually
did
ask
them
to
remove
the
99
cent
bottles,
which
were
the
plastic.
If
you
open
them
up,
I
actually
got
the
board
I
had
the
board
sniff
them
it
smelled
like
rubbing
alcohol.
This
wasn't
the
high-end
alcohol
that
was
going
for
3.99
I
guarantee
the
inventory
of
the
399
alcohol
was
low,
the
99
Cent
50,
milliliter
bottles
very
high,
and
at
that
time
they
refused.
They
thought
it
was.
I
You
know
their
right
to
sell
anything
they
wanted.
So
we
did
have
to
address
that
issue
and
we
went
up
to
the
100
milliliter
later
we
had
we
track
over
those
stats.
We
didn't
track
homeless
alcohol-related
deaths
and
we
average
for
a
small
City.
We
still
average
about
four,
possibly
four
people
that
I
I
know
we've
for
three
years
in
a
row
we
had
four
homeless
alcoholics
dying
with
alcohol
on
them.
Yeah
three
last
year,
down
a
little
but
I
call
load
has
gone
down
significantly.
I
There
has
to
be
not
just
the
enforcement,
not
just
the
city
council.
Coming
with
a
board.
You
need
wraparound
Services,
which
we
have
with,
and
Jason
can
speak
on
that
you
need
strong
enforcement.
We
have
an
officer
in
the
back
who
I
brought
along
officer
Santiago,
who
is
part
of
the
efforts.
We
only
have
a
part-time
unit,
Chelsea's
small
enough.
I
We
have
we
basically
modeled
policy
after
Boston's,
but
we've
added
on
to
it,
including
30-day
video
surveillance
out
front
in
front
they
better
clean
up
their
stuff
in
front
because
they
can't
hide.
We
just
ask
I
want
to
see
the
video
10
days
ago
because
you
sold
to
an
intoxicated
male,
so
it
really
did
clean
up
in
case
of
the
Business
Association.
We
did
partner
with
them.
I
We
had
a
city-wide
association
meeting,
which
is
probably
his
predecessor
where
we
discussed
like
these
are
the
rules
and
there
is
no
lack
of
people
standing
in
line
to
get
a
license
in
Chelsea
for
liquor
stores.
I
can
assure
you
of
that.
So
with
the
council
up
past
council
did
State.
It's
been
like
a
team
effort.
Chelsea
is
unique,
I'm,
not
sure
if
it's
unique
to
all
parts
of
Boston,
but
alcoholism
is
unique
to
all
parts
of
Boston,
Chelsea
and
everywhere,
and
the
stats
speak
for
themselves.
I
We
are
down
even
with
the
pandemic,
which
kind
of
skews
data
we're
still
down
about
20
percent
on
our
protective
custodies
from
year,
2018
about
30
percent.
If
we
went
two
years
prior
to
that,
so
I
I
just
want
to
say
what
he
said
was
pretty
accurate
for
the
businesses
the
Chelsea
is
rejuvenated.
I
is
the
police
chief
and
a
person
who
lives
in
the
community
would
never
take
my
children
down
that
Broadway
Corridor
in
2018
and
17.
I
I.
I
O
Good
afternoon
my
name
is
Jason
Owens
I'm,
the
coordinator
for
the
Navigator
program,
city
of
Chelsea.
Oh
sorry,
all
shut,
all
right,
so
I
I'm,
also
a
resident
of
the
city
of
Chelsea
I've,
been
an
Outreach
worker
in
the
city
for
16
years,
for
13
of
them
with
Roca
and
now
with
the
Navigator
program
for
the
last
three
years,
I
I
guess
everything
was
already
said
by
them
like
I'm
out
there
every
day
and
I'm
encountering
all
these
individuals.
O
So
what
we
do
is
navigate
us
as
we
try
to
connect
individuals
to
services
that
are
suffering
from
alcoholism,
drug
addiction
and
Mental
Health
crisis
with
boots
on
the
ground.
We
go.
We
get
calls
from
the
police
department.
We
actually
have
our
own
call
sign
and
police
radio
from
the
city,
which
is,
if
you
know
anything
about
my
past
is
hilarious,
but
it's
and
we
have
a
community
van,
that's
offered
to
us
through
the
city.
O
Also,
we
can
go
out
with
offices
to
go
out
and
do
this
Outreach
and
the
the
combined
effort
is
just
unbelievable
and
we've
always
been
supported
by
the
city
council
and
the
city
managers
over
there.
So
we
we're
dealing
with
a
lot
of
most
of
our
drunk
men,
Central
American,
and
we
used
to
have
I,
say
about
maybe
five
or
six
years
ago,
probably
about
a
steady
20
of
of
men
that
were
out
there
and
all
of
them,
panhandling
all
of
them.
O
Buying
nips
I
mean
excuse
me
little
bottles
on
an
hourly
basis.
You
know
they
get
a
quarter
here:
five
cents
here,
50
cents,
a
dollar
and
they
run
right
to
the
liquor
store.
Sometimes
they
were
running
into
liquor
stores
where
their
pictures
were
up
as
a
do
not
sell
and
they
were
still
getting
them.
You
know
what
I
mean
and,
and
then
once
that
was
reported,
the
the
city
of
Chelsea
dealt
with
it
immediately.
O
So
when
we,
when
we
did
finally
get
the
ban
in
the
city
of
Chelsea,
I
noticed
that
calls
for
service
because
I'm,
usually
the
guy,
that's
calling
an
ambulance,
we
we
get
the
cause.
If
there's
a
needle
in
the
community,
we
respond
like
the
gentleman
spoke
early
about
six
to
ten
minutes.
We
don't
get
like
the
city
of
Boston.
We
just
don't
get
it
like
that,
but
we
respond.
O
We
clean
it
up,
but
we
try
to
respond
to
every
overdose,
every
alcohol
crisis,
every
Mental,
Health
crisis
and
we're
a
small
community,
but
I
noticed
those
went
down
significantly.
Definitely
the
letter
I'm
also
a
resident
there
too,
so
I've
been
living
in
Chelsea
for
the
last
10
years
and
I've
noticed
the
transformation
of
the
community.
It's
absolutely
beautiful.
Now
you
know
what
I
mean.
It's
still
has
its
rough
area.
O
So
they
have
another
day
that
they
have
to
wait
and
another
day
that
they
have
to
wait,
and
so
we're
left
with
with
really
not
a
lot
to
do.
With
these
gentlemen,
section
35s
put
them
in
ambulance
and
send
them
to
the
hospital,
but
we
have
to
constantly
we're
on
them
every
day.
Sometimes
individuals
are
going
to
the
hospital
three
times
a
day,
one
person
at
a
cost
of
five
to
six
hundred
dollars
a
ride,
and
so
we've
seen
that
definitely
go
down
dramatically.
O
We've
definitely
seen
the
the
the
litter
in
the
in
in
the
trash
in
the
community,
the
the
incidents
that
were
happening
and
it
it
seems
to
be
working
for
the
city
for
us,
whatever
you
guys
do
over
here
is
what
you're
gonna
do
you
know
what
I
mean?
I
grew
up
in
the
city
of
Boston,
my
entire
life
in
Charlestown
and
and
so
I
definitely
have
a
a
stake
in
it.
O
I'd
like
to
see
good
things
happen
over
here,
but
I've
seen
what
it's
done
for
us,
we're
on
the
we're
on
the
upswing,
we're
doing
some
Innovative
stuff
over
there
we're
working
all
together
as
a
combined
unit
to
help
these
individuals
that
are
in
our
community
to
get
them
the
services
that
they
need
and
and
if
someone
needs
to
be
held
accountable
because
they're
catering
to
that
just
like
you
would
see
someone
that's
selling
fentanyl
or
something
else.
They
have
a
customer
base
that
they're
going
to
serve
somewhere
at
these
liquor
stores.
O
They
were
doing
the
same
exact
thing.
You
know
what
I
mean
legally
I
guess,
but
it
was
killing
these
people
just
the
same,
so
I
like
to
see
that
that's
that's
getting
addressed,
and
now
we
have
our
foot
in
the
gas
and
we're
only
going
to
go
forward
with
it.
We're
not
going
to
go
back
and
I'm
glad
to
be
a
part
of
it.
I
I,
you
know
that's
pretty
much.
All
I
got
thanks
for
having
me
here
today.
Thank
you.
May.
N
I
forgot
to
mention
Jason
was
telling
me
a
story.
What
he
didn't
mention
was
that
Jason
also
used
to
work
as
a
doorman
in
a
Boston
establishment
bar,
and
he
can
talk
about.
The
problem
nips
are
for
the
bars
and
restaurants
in
the
downtown
area,
individuals
who
are
bringing
them
in
hiding
them
and
how
many
the
bottles
they
would
find
in
the
bathrooms,
which
then
later
on
as
his
former
license
board
or
a
that
is
a
nightmare
for
a
bar.
N
O
And
you
know
we
just
opened
the
line
and
they're
in
there
for
about
maybe
45
minutes
to
an
hour
and
15
minutes
and
they're
legless
they're
Hammond,
because
they're
going
in
the
bathroom
they're
hitting
these
these
mini
bottles.
And
then
you
know
to
save
money
and
not
get
a
drink.
I
mean
you
know
in
the
establishment,
and
you
know
they're
going
out
in
the
ambulances
there's
fights
you
know
we
got
to
try
to
make
sure
they
get
home,
but
I'm
talking
the
intoxication
level
was
just
you
know.
O
O
We
did
that
for
a
while
and
and
we
had
I'm
by
the
end
of
four
or
five
months.
Large
trash
barrels
just
filled
with
these.
These
small
bottles.
It
was
incredible,
I,
don't
know
if
they're
still
doing
that
now
I
no
longer
work
there,
but
for
the
18
months.
If
we
did
do
that,
we
had
a
huge
huge
problem,
but
it
was
mostly
in
the
in
the
woman's
room
where
the
issues
were.
There
was
a
barrel
right
next
to
the
toilet
too.
They
could
have
used
but
chose
not
to.
L
Go
all
right:
okay,
great
again,
my
name
is
Emily
Norton
I'm,
a
ward
counselor,
a
city
counselor
in
Newton
and
I
really
appreciate
the
chance
to
speak
with
you
all.
Today.
I
commend
counselor
Arroyo
for
your
leadership
and
bringing
this
item
forward
when
other
cities
do
stuff.
It's
like.
Oh
that's,
cool
when
Boston
does
something.
L
That's
super
cool
and
very
influential
on
November
16
2021,
the
Newton
licensing
commission
voted
to
prohibit
the
sale
of
miniature
single-use
containers
for
alcoholic
beverages
in
containers
less
than
or
equal
to,
100
milliliters
and
it
went
into
effect
on
June,
30th
2022
and
it
made
Newton
at
that
time,
the
fifth
and
largest
community
in
Massachusetts.
To
do
that.
L
I
had
proposed
the
ban
in
August
2021,
along
with
counselors
Allison
Leary
and
Andrea
Kelly,
out
of
concern
for
all
the
mini
bottles
that
were
littering
our
streets
and
parks,
and
also
out
of
an
interest
in
reducing
plastic
pollution
in
our
environment,
to
propose
something
in
August
and
have
it
get
through.
The
licensing
Commission
in
November
was
quite
fast.
It
makes
me
think
I
would
wish
more
things
could
be
sent
to
our
licensing
commission.
It
is
not
that
I
or
we
didn't
care
about
the
issues
that
my
colleagues
from
Chelsea
are
talking
about.
L
But
the
ban
on
minis
was
very
consistent
with
other
steps
that
Newton
has
taken
to
reduce
plastic
pollution,
particularly
ban
single-use
plastic
bags,
which
I
know
Boston
has
done
as
well.
The
main
argument
for
us,
as
I
said,
was
twofold:
first,
the
litter
nearly
every
roadside,
every
Park
along
the
Charles
River.
You
see
these
mini
bottles
and
it
was
like
enough.
Let's
put
a
stop
to
it.
L
It's
not
really
fair
that
volunteers
have
to
do
all
of
this
work
to
clean
up
from
some
businesses
what
they're
selling
and
how
it's
getting
dumped,
and
the
second
issue
that
I
think
is
very
important.
Is
plastic
pollution,
I'm
sure
I?
Don't
need
to
tell
any
of
you
how
ubiquitous
plastic
is
in
our
environment.
It
does
not
fully
break
down.
L
Microplastics
are
now
found
in
our
bodies
in
our
bloodstream.
In
our
newborn
babies,
plastic
pollution
is
found
at
the
top
of
Mount
Everest
at
the
depths
of
the
Mariana
Trench,
it's
in
over
half
of
sea
turtles,
90
percent
of
seabo
seabirds
and
to
those
who
might
say
well,
this
mini
bottle
band
is
not
going
to
address
this
Global
problem.
I
would
say
you're
right,
but
how
do
you
get
from
here
to
there?
How
do
we
get
to
a
world
with
less
plastic
in
it?
L
If
we
take
this
problem
seriously,
you
start
with
the
easy
stuff:
single-use
plastic
bags,
single-use
plastic
bottles,
mini
bottles,
and
that's
to
me
what
this
is
doing.
It's
saying,
let's
start
with
the
easy
stuff
and
take
it
from
there
after
Boston,
then
other
communities
and
then,
ideally
the
whole
state
will
say
no
more
plastic
bags,
no
more
midi
bottles
and
onward,
and
to
the
suggestion
that
the
bottle
Bill
like
if
we're
going
to
wait
for
the
state
legislature
like
forget
it.
I
won't
say
anything
more
about
that.
L
To
those
who
say
that
this
is
just
stupid
and
I
know
that
that
has
been
I've
seen
that
on
social
media,
that's
fine,
I
would
just
say
I,
don't
agree,
I
think
it
matters.
Reducing
plastic
pollution
is
a
vital
environmental
justice
issue.
The
usual
plastic
for
minis
is
p-e-t
number
one,
which
is
a
toxic
synthetic
petrochemical
and
plastic
manufacturing
plants
are
disproportionately
located
near
environmental
justice
communities
in
Texas
and
Louisiana.
L
The
production
of
plastic
pollutes
the
air,
water
and
soil
along
every
step
of
its
production
and
then
again
when
it's
discarded
in
landfills
or
burned
in
incinerators.
While
we
all
suffer
the
impacts
to
some
extent
disproportionately.
The
victims
of
this
poisoned
air,
water
and
land
are
brown
and
black
people
here
in
the
United
States
and
around
the
world,
and
as
fossil
fuel
companies
see
the
writing
on
the
wall
for
oil
and
gas,
they
are
looking
to
the
growth
in
the
Plastics
industry
to
keep
their
profits
flowing.
L
That
will
be
more
poisoning
of
air
water
and
land
for
marginalized
people
all
around
the
world.
Just
one
example:
Formosa
Plastics
had
planned
to
build
a
9.4
billion
dollar
facility
in
Louisiana's,
St
James
Parish
between
New
Orleans
and
Baton
Rouge
in
an
area
known
colloquially
as
cancer
alley.
87
percent
of
the
residents
are
black.
L
So
the
more
that
we
can
be
cutting
off
this
toxic
material
at
The
Source
by
not
using
the
first
place,
the
better
for
everyone,
especially
EJ
communities,
so
I
urge
Boston
to
take
this
step,
follow
the
lead
of
your
neighbors
in
Chelsea
and
Newton
in
Brookline
and
ban
the
sale
of
Miniatures.
Thank
you.
I.
A
Want
to
thank
the
panel
for
the
testimony
and
mind-blowing
data,
they
didn't
even
call
didn't
even
think
that,
through
on
Banning,
these
miniature
bottles,
I've
had
one
question
or
two
questions
and
what
we
hear
a
lot
of
pushback
from
is,
you
know,
stores
closing
loss
of
sales,
how
many
liquor
stores
have
actually
closed
during
or
after
the
ban?
No.
A
N
Again,
I
don't
know
what
authority
of
the
municipality
like
Chelsea
has
to
put
on
its
own
separate
home
rule
petition
to
tax
on
a
bottle
of
that
nature,
but
it
just
seemed
that
the
the
ban
in
itself
was
going
to
be
the
the
best
way
to
handle
the
the
issue
it
was.
We
were
legally
empowered
to
do
it
and
we
didn't
have
to
wait
for
the
state
legislature
to
have
to
pass
a
home
rule
petition
because
any
sort
of
tax
like
that
would
have
to
get
passed
and
let's
face
it.
N
I
I'm,
just
sad
that
they
were
catering
to
the
clientele.
As
we
said,
it
was
like
feeding
a
substance
abuse
problem.
It
did
come
up
in
one
of
the
early
licensing
commissions,
just
get
rid
of
the
99
cent
high
octane
alcohol
and
go
with
your
higher
end
bottles
and
the
businesses
refused,
and
that
was
basically
we
did
our
own
research
on
the
police
department.
I
They
did
not
have
high-end
alcohol
on
them
when
we
when
they
were
hospitalized,
it
was
the
easy
99,
Cents
plastic,
miniature
bottles,
and
that's
why
we
actually
went
up
to
the
50
milliliter
to
100
and
I
can
add
we
hour
up
to
the
Pint
level.
Now
right,
a
half
pint
is
the
minimum
level.
You
can
buy
much
harder
to
hide,
he's
a
navigator
he's
out
there.
They
do
try
to
you,
know,
buy
and
share
it.
I
A
B
I
want
to
thank
all
of
you
for
taking
the
time
to
do
this,
but
also
for
doing
this.
Frankly,
you
know
this
was
first
brought
to
my
attention
by
former
counselor
Robert,
janeta
and
I.
Remember
thinking
like
oh
that's
an
interesting
idea.
If
the
data
shows
out
that's
pretty
interesting,
then
Newton
did
it
and
then
I
got
sort
of
prompted
again
hey.
B
This
is
simply
a
nuisance
that
they
see
on
the
street
when
they're
walking
their
dogs
or
going
to
the
park,
and
it
doesn't
take
up
that
much
of
their
time
in
their
brain
when
they
think
about
it.
Beyond
just
saying
I
wish
that
was
in
a
trash
can
or
I
wish.
I
wasn't
there,
but
for
other
people,
I
have
heard
since
I
presented
this
I've
received
phone
calls
from
people
saying
hey
as
a
recovering
alcoholic
I
can
tell
you
that
the
issue
with
singles
was
that
they
largely
when
you're
consuming
them
regularly.
B
It's
often
because
you're
aware
or
becoming
aware
that
you
have
a
problem
with
alcoholism,
but
you're
trying
to
sort
of
convince
yourself
that
you're,
showing
moderation
by
purchasing
smaller
amounts
and
then
you're,
actually
drinking
more
and
that
that
was
a
common
thing.
I
got
I
got
enough
phone
calls
on
that.
B
To
know
that
that's
a
real
experience,
I
had
somebody
else
who
said
hey
I'm
in
I'm
in
AAA,
and
you
hear
about
Miniatures
in
AAA,
like
people
will
talk
about
them
when
they're
in
Alcoholics
Anonymous
about
the
impact
that
it's
had
on
their
lives
and
sort
of
as
a
red
flag.
I
can
tell
you.
I
was
very
public
about
the
impact
alcoholism
had
in
my
own
family
and
I.
Remember
that
stage.
Actually
the
The
Hiding,
Miniatures
and
I
think
one
of
the
things
about
Miniatures.
B
That
sort
of
is
common
sense
when
you
think
about
it,
but
that
much
of
the
appeal
is
that
they're
easily
hidden.
It's
not
that
they're
necessarily
cheap.
It's
not
that
the
necessarily
a
smaller
amount,
but
that
they're
easier
to
actually
conceal
and
bring
into
bars.
Restaurants,
Stadium
establishments,
schools
drink
on
the
street,
but
not
have
them
viewable.
When
your
drive,
when
police
are
looking
for
folks
who
are
openly
drinking
to
do
public
intoxication
to
drink
and
drive,
because
it's
easier
to
hide
that
than
it
is
to
hide
some
other
open,
container
and
I.
B
Think
that
that
concealment,
which
was
not
not
a
part
of
my
analysis
when
I
was
looking
at
this
I,
was
looking
at
it
from
medical
sort
of
emergencies.
I
was
looking
at
it
from
what's
the
impact
on
our
communities
from
a
public
goods
standpoint
I
did
not
think
about
their
appeal,
being
the
fact
that
you
can
sort
of
hide
them
until
I
saw
sort
of
on
social
media
and
sort
of
publicly
when
people
discussed
why
they
still
wanted
them.
B
The
excuse-
or
the
reason
was
always
I-
use
these
to
sneak
into
a
movie
theater
I
use
these
to
sneak
into
Fenway
or
I
use
these
to
sneak
into
TD
Garden.
Don't
take
this
thing
because
I
use
it
sometimes
I
use
it
when
I'm
at
work
and
I'm
trying
to
put
it
in
my
coffee
or
whatever
it
is,
and
so
I
think
the
concealment
aspect
of
it
was
not
a
part
of
this,
but
I
think
the
concealment
aspect
shows
sort
of
the
ability
to
misuse
this.
B
I
would
volunteer
with
key
pie,
Park
beautiful,
and
we
have
Truman
Parkway
in
my
in
my
district,
which
is
state
land,
it's
right
by
the
Stony
Brook
reservation
and
there's
no
sidewalks
and
yet
you're
collecting
hundreds
of
these
things
off
the
side
of
the
street
and
it's
like
well.
This
is
wild
I've
lived
here.
My
entire
life
I've
never
seen
anybody
really
walking
down
this
stretch
of
land
and
so
I
think
that
the
connection
to
drinking
and
driving
with
this
particular
size
of
a
bottle
I
would
be
really
interested
in
I.
Don't
think!
B
Well,
if
they're
buying
the
bigger
alcohol,
then
there's
no
issue,
it's
your
bottom
line.
You're
making
more
money
on
the
bigger
alcohol,
so
if
they're
saying
hey,
that
same
person
will
no
longer
buy
a
single
for
99
cents,
they're
just
gonna
buy
a
five
dollar
three
dollar
bottle.
If
that
is
true,
then
you're
actually
going
to
profit
from
that
bank.
So
to
argue
that
you're
gonna
lose
money
because
folks
aren't
going
to
buy
singles
anymore
they'll
just
buy
bigger
bottles.
B
To
me
as
a
fallacy
means
you
should
probably
support
it
not
be
opposed
to
it,
and
I
would
say
that
what
actually
is
borne
out
by
the
data
that
I'm
hearing
from
Chelsea
is
that
people
didn't
go
and
buy
larger
amounts
of
alcohol
and
then
go
throw
those
larger
bottles
on
the
street.
It
actually
did
stop
that
littering
to
some
degree
or
entirely,
except
for
that
one
intersection
and
it
did
have
a
noticeable
impact
on
the
emergency
medical
calls
for
alcohol.
Is
that
accurate?
That's.
B
And
so,
when
I
look
at
your
numbers
in
Chelsea,
which
are
the
only
ones
that
I
think
because
Newton
doesn't
have
them
yet
what
I
have
heard
from
Newton
and
I?
Guess
you
can?
Let
me
know
if
this
is
true.
What
I've
heard
is
that
there's
a
noticeable
impact
on
what
you
can
see
that
the
the
litter
problem
has
been
impacted
in
the
short
time
that
you've
had
this
yeah.
B
L
It's
not
they're,
not
all
gone
I
mean
people
obviously
can
still
buy
them
elsewhere,
so
I
don't
want
to
I,
don't
want
to
overstate
it,
and
it's
also
still
relatively
new
I
think
we're
gonna
see
more.
We
have
Newton
serves
coming
up
and
Earth
Day
coming
out
when
people
when
we
do
our
cleanup
so
I
think
we
will
get
some
data,
then
on
what
it
was
like
compared
to
past
years
and.
B
I
Can
tell
you
right
now,
as
the
chief
of
police
I
maybe
have
had
I've
been
the
chief
police
officer
for
37
years,
the
chief
for
the
last
six
months.
When
someone
sees
a
small
bottle
in
front
of
the
house,
they
panicked,
they
think
the
liquor
stores
are
selling
them
again
and
I
have
to
tell
them
to
come
back
off
the
cliff,
and
it's
usually
at
bus
stops
into
busy
intersections
where
you
know
they
threw
them
out
the
window.
In
fact,
my
my
fellow
Pharma
counselor.
I
He
actually
sent
me
a
picture
of
one
where,
if
you
saw
the
pictures
that
he
possibly
has
in
his
presentation,
hundreds
and
hundreds
everywhere
through
the
downtown
area,
it
was
immediate,
immediate
and,
like
I,
said
randomly
I'll
get
a
call
a
complaint
and
it's
always
about.
Are
they
selling
it
again?
And
we
do
a
quick
response
with
a
team
to
go
just
to
do
an
inspection,
an
announce,
inspection
and
all
the
liquor
stores.
I
will
have
to
say,
have
really
came
on
board
and
Chelsea.
N
N
Apparently,
even
though
the
license
board
Commissioners
sent
the
letter
to
all
of
the
retail
liquor
establishments
that
we
were
Banning,
the
50
millimeters
that
no
one
showed
up
to
the
hearing,
because
I
don't
think
anyone
bothered
to
read
the
letter
from
the
license
board.
Commissioners
that
were
doing
this,
so
we
banned
it
now,
all
of
a
sudden
when
they,
when
it
went
into
effect,
is
when
they
showed
up
once
it
was
already.
In
effect,
they
showed
up
was
like
what
are
you
doing,
Banning
the
50s,
and
then
they
said.
N
Oh
wait
a
minute
we're
going
to
do
the
hundreds
now
next
and
yes,
they
appealed
it,
but
the
abcc
ruled
again
that
we
had
the
authority
and
and
allowed
it,
but
again
since
then,
and
it's
interesting
that
I
sometimes
get
contacted
by
residents.
Who
will
say
you
know
I
didn't
realize
how
much
cleaner
Chelsea
is
until
they
went
next
door
and
went
to
this
other
city
and
I'm,
seeing
the
nips
again
and
then
I
realized
like
oh
yeah,
we
don't
have
them
anymore,
because
you
just
don't
see
them
in
the
streets
anymore.
B
B
So
the
licensing
board
rules
and
regulations
are
Statewide,
correct,
so
like
when,
when
the
Massachusetts
alcohol
commission
comes
back
with
something
it
so
like
in
Chelsea's
case
where
they
came,
and
they
validated
that
you
have
the
ability
to
create
a
regulation
that
it's
not
a
modification,
then
Newton
can
use
that
same
ruling.
Boston
can
use
that
same
rule
just
like
any
kind
of
criminal
case
law.
It
creates
the
precedent
for
the
rest
of
the
state.
Is
that
accurate?
Is
that
accurate
understanding.
N
Correct
every
city
in
town
has
its
own
rules
and
regulations
for
licensing
the
license
board,
regulating
taxis,
the
the
gold
shops,
retail
restaurants
and
Retail
liquor
stores.
We
have
our
own
rules
and
you
know
regulations,
and
they
may
differ
from
one
city
to
another
and
as
long
as
they
do
not
conflict
with
Mass
general
laws
or
any
CMR,
then
we're
fine,
but
we
basically
are
free
to
run
our
our
hours
hours
of
operation
of
any
establishment.
N
If
Boston
wanted
to
say
you
know,
you
can
open
up
a
bar
24
hours
or
you
are
now
allowed
to
open
till
four
four
a.m.
That
is
a
Boston
regulation.
It
does
it's
not
something
the
abcc
or
the
state
can
prohibit
you
to
the.
What
doesn't?
What
stops
a
bar
from
opening?
You
know.
24
hours,
isn't
the
state,
it's
the
local
local
licensing
Authority.
So
you
are
well
within
your.
You
know
power
to
a
local
licensing
board
to
set
up
whatever
rules
it
wants
to
how
businesses
should
operate.
B
And
so
I
am
an
attorney
and
I
looked
into
sort
of
the
legal
ramifications
of
this,
and
it
seems
like
when
this
was
done.
In
Chelsea,
there
was
an
appeal
to
the
Massachusetts
alcohol
commission
that
appeal
came
back
favorably,
essentially
what
it
what
it
found
was
that
this
doesn't
count
as
a
modification
of
their
license.
It's
simply
a
city
regulation
just
like
what
you
were
listing
where
we
can
regulate
time
and
place,
and
so
obviously
that
holds
up
the
legal
opening
that
anybody
would
have
to
challenge.
B
I
Will
it
transform
many
things
like
as
the
police
department?
Lid
was
probably
low
on
our
end,
but
litter
is
a
sign
of
significant
other
things.
It
was
just
because
I
was
doing
the
data
as
being
the
representative
for
the
former
Chief
Kai's
at
the
licensing
commission,
just
the
alcohol
ones,
the
money
that
it
was
causing
the
taxpayer
for
fire
police
EMS
to
respond
continuously
the
deterioration,
the
deterioration
of
the
downtown
Florida.
I
I
N
O
So
I
started
working
in
shelves
in
the
2007
and
I
worked
for
an
organization.
First
job
in
the
city
of
Chelsea
was
to
run
a
work
crew,
so
I
cleaned,
13
parks
and
five
random
streets
a
day
and
on
a
Monday
morning
they
used
to
have
to
dedicate
a
trash
truck
to
follow
us
on
Van
around
because
of
the
empties
in
in
the
in
the
little
bottles
and
all
the
stuff
that
we
were
picking
up
in
the
Box.
It
was
staggering
and
I
never
really
thought
about
it.
O
Until
someone
on
this
panel
said
the
city
was
sicker,
then
it
really
was.
We
had
a
lot
of
violence.
We
had
a
lot
of
a
lot,
a
lot
of
gang
stuff.
We
had
a
lot
of
shootings.
We
had
some
homicides
happening.
It
was
really
really
bad
in
the
beginning,
when
I
first
started
there
fast
forward
now
with
the
stuff
that
we're
doing
working
together,
not
fighting
amongst
each
other.
About
this
that
and
the
other
thing
it's
it's
been
transformed.
O
It
really
really
has
and-
and
like
I
said,
I
lived
there
now
like
I,
could
have
bought
a
place
anywhere
I
bought
there,
because
I
could
see
it's
just
it's
getting
better
and
and
because
of
Brave
moves
that
are
happening
by
city
council
police
department
and
allowing
us
to
actually
do
our
work.
But
I
I
remember
how
bad
it
was
before
any
of
this
stuff
was
happened
when
everyone
was
stepping
back
and
hiding
in
their
silos
and
not
working
together
with
each
other.
N
Speak
to
follow
up
two
things.
One
I
have
to
think
that
I
think
this
Hopscotch
approach,
that
city
of
Boston
is
doing
now,
where
some
don't
sell
Minis
and
some
do
you
actually
may
be
in
legal
Jeopardy,
because
those
ones
who
are
prohibited,
even
though
they
approve
I,
was
saying,
wait
a
minute.
You
were
discriminating
my
business
practice.
How
come
they
got
to
do
it
not
me,
we
did
it
one
and
all
so
it'd
be
interesting,
because
someone
could
have
a
case
say
you
were
indiscriminately
doing
one
like
for
hours
and
a
abcc
decision.
N
Whenever
we
made
that
decision
based
on
you
know
poor
business
practice,
they
appeal
and
they
are
more
likely
to
win
an
appeal
because
we're
not
doing
it
for
all
abcc
wants
a
you
know
a
uniform
policy
for
all,
so
this
Hopscotch
actually
may
be
more
dangerous
and
more
likely
to
re
to
have
a
legal
challenge
than
anything
else
about
what
Jason
was
saying.
When
we
talk
about
policing
in
your
predecessor,
Kai's
would
police
chief
Kai's
now
U.S
Marshal.
N
We
talk
very
commonly
about
police
approach
and
they
talk
about
the
broken
window
effect
in
neighborhoods.
You
know
once
you
saw
the
broken
window
and
then
other
things,
bad
things
happen
to
Jason.
I
would
say
the
alcoholism
everyone's
seeing
we
live
in
an
urban
landscape,
the
drunk
individual
passed
out
or
panhandling,
it's
so
ubiquitous
in
so
many
neighborhoods.
N
N
It's
it
leads
to
a
downfall
for
a
community.
If
you
see
those
bottles
and
alcoholism,
they're,
saying
okay,
this
city
and
this
area
is
downtrodden.
I
can
set
up
shop
because
they
think
that
that's
what's
allowable
you
put
that
individual
I
would
say
that
sort
of
individual,
that's
standing
in
the
middle
of
Bellingham
square,
and
you
put
him
in
the
middle
of
Wellesley.
He
stands
out.
It
wouldn't
pass
and
they'll
say
well
yeah.
We
allowed
that
to
happen.
N
B
B
So
here's
my
question
for
you,
as
somebody
who's
talking
directly
to
people
who
were
and
the
thralls
of
alcohol
addiction,
what
impact
did
Banning
singles
and
Miniatures
in
Chelsea
have
on
those
individuals
and
their
interactions
with
you
and
sort
of
how
that
worked
through.
Was
there
a
noticeable
difference
when
they
no
longer
had
access
to
Miniatures
and
singles?
So,
yes,.
O
So
we
were
able
to
get
more
people
in
treatment.
Some
of
them
in
long-term
treatment
than
before,
but
alcoholism
is
is,
is
a
is
a
crazy
disease
and
and
people
are
going
to
find
ways
to
get
what
they
need
to
get.
There
were
other
individuals
that
took
their
business
out
elsewhere
and
went
to
East
Boston,
like
they
alcoholic
men
that
wouldn't
just
set
up
shopping
Parks
over
in
East,
because
they
couldn't
get
what
they
needed
in
Chelsea
and
I
was
glad
to
show
them
where
the
Viridian
Street
Bridge
was
to
get
there.
O
O
O
I
would
never
see
it
in
a
million
years
he's
actually
one
of
my
favorite
guys
in
the
community,
but
he's
he's
doing
it
now
and
he's
sober,
and
we
have
other
issues
and
Other
Stories
success
stories
that
have
come
out
of
that.
You
know
what
I
mean,
but
we're
also
dealing
with
the
opiates
and
the
crack
and
the
Mental
Health
crisis,
with
dealing
with
all
that.
But
the
alcohol
is
is
a
big
big
issue,
big.
B
B
Yeah
and
I'll
just
end
and
I
appreciate
the
chair
for
for
the
allowance
of
time,
but
I'll
just
end
by
saying
you
know
that
was
a
powerful
statement
to
me.
The
the
fact
that
we
see
these
syringes
and
they
do
cause
visible
like
angst
when
you
see
them,
but
you
know
one
of
those
things
when
you
see
hundreds
and
thousands
of
these
things
all
over
the
city
of
Boston
like
now,
I
can't
stop
seeing
them
now,
I
see
them
everywhere.
B
I
go,
but
it's
one
of
those
things,
but
when
you
see
them,
they've
never
really
created.
For
me
the
same
sort
of
like
oh
that's,
an
indicator
of
a
problem.
It
was
more
that's
an
indicator
of
litter.
That's
an
indicator
of
this,
but
now
that
I
can
sort
of
get
all
of
the
information
that
I've
gotten
about
people
drinking
and
driving
with
them.
People
going
to
parks
and
places
where
they're
trying
to
conceal
them.
B
I
think
one
of
the
major
things
I've
learned
about
Miniatures
and
singles
is
that
they're
not
purchased
to
go
back
home
they're
purchased
to
to
dispose
of
discreetly
on
a
street
or
in
a
private
establishment,
or
perhaps
somebody
brings
it
to
a
trash
can,
but
the
vast
majority
of
these
are
purchased
for
the
sake
of
not
bringing
them
home
right.
You
bring
home
a
bottle
of
wine.
B
Just
say
for
myself:
I
am
in
full
support
of
this
I
obviously
presented
this
I
think
it's
clear
to
me
that
the
boards
have
the
ability
to
regulate
based
on
public
health
and
safety
I.
You
know,
I
had
this
line
of
questioning
where
I
asked.
Is
there
any
difference
in
public
health
and
safety
from
neighborhood
to
Neighborhood
I?
B
It's
the
same
communities:
it
is
the
same
drivers
I
have
a
hard
time
with
how
we
can
create
a
distinction
as
a
city
between
you
know
this
corner
here
this
one's
bad,
but
that
corner
over
there
that
one's
good
based
on
the
fact
that
people-
don't
you
know
I-
will
say
this
most
of
our
as
as
Kathy
pointed
out
from
Cape
High
Park
beautiful.
Most
of
our
liquor
stores
are
not
doing
a
great
job
of
keeping
these
out
of
their
parking
lot.
B
I
think
there's
a
problem
when
you're
seeing
open
and
used
containers
in
a
parking
lot,
and
what
that
indication
of
what
that
is
actually
used
for
you're
using
it
before
you
get
into
a
car,
but
I
think
the
reality
is
that
there's
no
way
for
any
one.
Individual
liquor,
store
or
package
store
to
control,
where
somebody
throws
away
that
that
that
that
that
bottle
once
they
leave
the
store,
and
so
this
idea
that
you
can
sort
of
control
that
issue
piecemeal
to
me
doesn't
make
a
lot
of
sense.
Just
like
I.
B
Don't
think
you
control,
alcoholism,
piecemeal
and
I'll
just
end
with
saying
that
this
is
not
going
to
solve
alcoholism.
Alcoholism
is
a
long-standing
issue.
It's
for
life
people
who
have
it
struggle
with
controlling
it
within
years
of
use.
That
was
a
public
defender
at
cpcs.
I
had
people
who
were
both
coming
in
and
out
of
contact
with
the
law
on
alcohol
abuse
just
as
much
as
I
had
people
coming
in
for
opiate
abuse
and
the
reality
is
it's
a
lifelong
struggle
for
most
people?
I?
B
Don't
think
that
the
point
here
is
that
we're
going
to
stop
people
from
having
access
to
alcohol
or
that
we're
going
to
stop
their
impulses
or
urges
for
alcohol,
but
I
do
think
we
should
facilitate
good
legislation
that
makes
it
harder
for
bad
things
to
happen.
I
think
that's
our
call,
and
so
I
recognize
for
some
who
have
reached
out
to
me
that
there's
a
profit
margin,
focus
and
motivation,
I'm,
not
belittling
that
I
recognize
that
for
some
people
they
see
this
as
sort
of
a
nuisance.
B
For
our
time
to
talk
about
this,
but
I
think
it's
actually
very
clear
that
this
is
a
significant
issue
to
bring
before
the
city.
What
I
would
say
is
I
as
a
legislator
have
always
believed
and
understood
that
our
job
is
to
legislate
for
the
public
good.
You
can't
stop,
for
instance,
every
firearm
from
being
used
irresponsibly
or
responsibly,
but
that
doesn't
stop
us
from
attempting
to
regulate
that
as
well
and
I.
B
Think
when
we
have
impacts
like
this,
where
it's
clear
that
in
the
Pro
column,
it's
way
up
here,
I'm
hearing
a
lot
of
good
great
reasons
to
come
here
on
this
side,
I've
heard
profit
margin,
that's
literally
it
I
haven't
even
heard
we'll
go
out
of
business.
I
just
heard
my
profit
margin
is
going
to
get
hurt.
That's
a
very
unbalanced
scale
for
me
and
when
I'm
tasked
with
doing
public
good
work
I
take
into
account
what
that
impact
will
be
on
individual
businesses.
B
Clearly,
but
I
I
never
even
stopped
to
think
about
and
I've
seen
it
over
after
this,
what
you
said,
which
is
that
businesses
and
restaurants
and
other
businesses
actually
benefited
from
this
legislation.
It
was
a
pro-business
legislation
in
Chelsea.
It's
been
done
in
five
different
communities
in
the
state.
It's
the
high
time
that
Boston
added
itself
to
the
list,
especially
since
it
appears
to
me
that
we
have
a
de
facto
policy
of
essentially
asking
new
transfers
and
new
businesses
to
do
this.
It
should
be
across
the
board.
It
should
not
be
piecemeal.
B
We
should
not
be
creating
uneven
standards
in
the
city
of
Boston,
and
so
I
I
obviously
support
this
I.
Thank
all
of
you
for
for
championing
this
and
for
having
the
insight
and
the
wherewithal
to
do
this.
I
would
I
personally
would
not
have
known
about
this
or
known
to
do.
This
had
I
not
seen
what
you
were
able
to
do
in
your
cities,
in
the
data
and
and
the
work
that
you
did
so.
Thank
you
to
Chelsea.
Thank
you
to
Newton
and
thank
you
to
the
three
other
places.
B
I
Might
add
one
thing
that
you're
speaking
this
is
one
thing
I
did
bring
up
with
the
licensing
Commission
of
the
50
and
100
milliliters
are
traveling
bottles.
You
don't
go
to
someone's
house
unless
it's
a
holiday
that
someone
serves
you
a
50,
100
milliliter,
because
I
had
arguments
with
my
friends,
they'd
honestly
I
go.
When
do
you
go
to
a
household
that
they
serve
you
that
during
the
holidays,
you
may
get
a
gift
basket?
It
is
specifically
a
mobile
vessel
for
alcohol
and
that's
an
important
part.
I
F
Thank
you,
chair,
I,
have
no
further
questions.
I
just
wanted
to
extend
my
thanks.
All
of
the
questions
that
I
have
have
been
answered
today.
All
of
I
I
mostly
wanted
to
really
gather
information
about
the
impact
based
on
the
concerns
that
I've
heard
from
my
constituents
and
that
we've
received
in
our
email
during
her
public
testimony.
F
People
in
the
neighborhood
they'll
walk
to
the
liquor,
store,
they'll
get
the
miniature
bottles,
they'll
go
sit
down
there
and
they
collect
and
they
collect
I
go
as
much
as
I
can
to
pick
up
trash
in
the
neighborhood,
and
so
I
see
them
often,
and
it's
really
encouraging
to
hear
about
the
positive
impact
that
this
could
have
on
the
city
of
Boston.
If
we
move
forward
with
it-
and
it
is
it's
just
not
lost
on
me-
that
there
are
certain
communities
who
are
impacted
by
this
in
a
different
way.
F
Right
when
you
think
about
black
and
brown
communities,
working
class
communities,
immigrant
communities,
because
of
all
of
the
other,
all
of
the
other
structural
issues
and
all
the
other
struggles
that
we
see
them
more
in
certain
neighborhoods
and
our
people
and
our
small
businesses
who
are
struggling
right.
They
kind
of
have
to
pay
the
price
for
littered
streets
for
folks
who
are
drunk
or
struggling
with
alcoholism
and
so
on
and
so
forth.
F
In
addition
to
the
resources
that
we
have
to
spend
as
a
city,
so
you
know
I
think
I
agree
with
councilor
Arroyo
that
it
can.
It
can
only
do
good
in
this
sense
and
I
think
that
we
find
ourselves
having
the
conversation
about
how
much
profit
or
gain
is
a
life
worth
or
how
much
profit
and
gain.
Can
we
say
no
to
in
order
to
you
know,
increase
and
benefit
public
health
and
so
on
and
so
forth
and,
like
Council
Arroyo
said,
we
definitely
want
to
balance
those
two
out.
F
But
there
is
a
very
clear
difference
and
a
very
clear
for
me
at
least
hierarchy
and
what
we
are
prioritizing.
So
thank
you
for
all
the
information
that
you've
given
us
today
and
I
hope
that
this
informs
not
only
my
Council
colleagues
but
the
people
in
the
city
about
how
we
move
forward
with
this.
Thank.
A
Thank
you,
Council
Lara,
and
thank
you
to
the
panel
again
as
I
said
earlier,
this
policy,
you
know
the
benefits
definitely
outweigh
the
cons
and
just
hearing
from
Newton
and
Chelsea
the
positive
impacts
and
how
this
leads
to
even
more
impacts.
Hopefully,
as
more
cities
adopt,
it
is
our
step
into
creating
a
healthier
and
increasing
the
quality
life
throughout
throughout
our
country.
So
thank
you
so
much
for
joining
us
and
thank
you
for
all
the
work
that
you
guys
have
done.
A
A
A
H
P
Is
that
yeah
Chris
the
models
crowns,
Liquors
and
Dorchester
Mass
recently?
As
you
know,
you
guys
approved
a
a
Total
Wine
Superstar
to
open
up
in
South
Bay,
which
affected
local
liquor
stores
like
ours
and
Deutsche,
Rock,
Springs,
South,
Boston
and
so
on,
and
now
you
guys
are
bringing
forward
another
regulation
that
you're
trying
to
pass
Holdings
here
to
remove
not
only
nips
but
also
100,
mils
I
think
this
will
affect
the
community
surrounding
the
people
that
we
service
in
our
area
are
coming.
P
You
know
it's
not
a
big
percentage
of
sales,
but
it's
enough
that
the
people
that
we
service
are
looking
for
that
particular
size
and
that's
what
they
can
afford.
That's
what
they
want
to
buy
to
make
them
buy
now
a
quarter.
You
know,
half
a
pint
or
pint
or
I,
don't
see
that
making
any
motions,
and
as
for
the
litter
and
stuff
like
that,
that's
the
responsibility
of
each
you
know
business
owner
to
make
sure
in
front
of
his
business.
A
B
Q
Q
My
mom
and
myself,
as
well
as
other
family
members,
along
with
our
staff
and
their
family
members,
depend
on
a
business
to
survive
which
will
be
affected
by
the
loss
of
small
bottle
sales.
If
This
Were
to
pass
the
band
would
also
open
up
the
doors
to
Illegal
sales
from
purchases
in
surrounding
cities,
like
we've,
seen
with
Newport
menthol
cigarettes,
which
are
now
easy
to
get
on
the
street
and
nobody's
checking
IDs,
which
puts
our
kids
at
risk.
Q
Q
Small
businesses,
particularly
those
owned
by
people
of
color,
are
already
facing
challenges
in
remaining
in
our
neighborhoods,
due
to
the
rising
prices
of
rent
and
property
values.
The
ban
would
further
exacerbate
this
issue
by
limiting
the
revenue
streams
of
the
businesses
potentially
pushing
them
out
of
the
communities
that
we
also
live
in
instead
of
pushing
small
business
owners,
the
city
should
work
and
I
would
love
to
help
with
addressing
the
root
causes
of
the
issues
they
are
attempting
to
solve.
Q
With
this
ban,
this
would
include
alcohol
addiction
supporting
additional
recovery
programs,
because
customers
who
are
obligated
to
buy
bigger
bottles
if
the
band
would
go
into
effect,
investing
in
affordable
housing
and
protecting
small
businesses
from
the
negative
impacts
of
this
action.
In
conclusion,
Banning
miniature
bottles
would
not
only
harm
small
businesses
and
their
owners,
but
also
contribute
to
the
wider
social
issues
such
as
gentrification
and
displacement.
It
is
essential
to
find
alternative
solutions
that
do
not
disappropriately
impact
our
communities
and
small
business
owners.
Thank
you
for
your
time.
Thank.
R
Thank
you,
casa,
World,
Arroyo,
Carlos,
Castillo,
Roxbury,
Mass,
Dearborn
wine,
I
know
a
lot
of
you
guys.
You
know
person
over
the
years
and
the
work
we
do
in
the
neighborhood
and
I
know
that
you
guys
are
open
to
hearing
both
sides.
My
only
concern
here
today
was
that
we
heard
from
seven
or
eight
experts
showing
one
side
supporting
one
side.
R
When
we
go
over
the
changes
and
the
things
that
are
happening
in
Chelsea
kind
of
reminds
me
of
old,
Jamaica,
Plain
and
new
Jamaica
Plain
I
think
there's
a
lot
that
we
can
do
to
work
together
if
both
sides
work
together
and
what
I'm
seeing
here
today
is
that
only
I
mean
seven
or
eight
people
spoke
on
the
other
side.
We're
here.
Listening
to
it.
R
We
just
found
out
about
this
Friday
night
and
we
said
we
found
out
casually
because
I
happen
to
be
out
at
a
restaurant
when
somebody
said
hey,
this
hearing
is
today:
I've
had
no
conversations
aside
from
over
the
weekend,
I
think
with
you,
Brian
I
haven't
had
a
chance
to
talk
to
Casa,
Arroyo
I.
Think
our
counselors,
including
Flaherty
everybody
here,
Kendra
Lotter,
who
just
stepped
out,
are
all
brilliant,
a
good
reflection
of
our
communities,
but
we
need
to
hear
both
sides.
R
We
need
to
come
to
a
middle
ground
and
Chelsea's
no
reflection
of
Boston.
We
got.
We
lost
the
sale
of
rental
cigarettes
a
few
years
ago.
The
state
compensated
that
Revenue
with
legalizing
cannabis.
We
just
lost
it.
We
lost
80
percent
of
cigarette
sales.
Just
to
that
is
alcoholism.
Is
a
problem.
I
completely
agree.
Are
we
going
to
solve
it
with
this?
Just
like
Casa
Rojo
said
no.
How
is
this
going
to
impact
us?
R
What
was
clear
today
in
today's
meeting
is
that
there's
a
lack
of
data
even
from
you
know,
executive
director,
Catholic,
Joyce
and
even
from
the
folks
in
Newton.
They
don't
have
all
the
data.
We
heard
from
I
don't
know
if
he's
a
counselor
from
Chelsea
that
he
said
that
they
got
eight
times
more
calls
for
alcohol
related
issues
than
they
did
narcotics
right.
R
But
we
don't
know
if
those
eight
calls
more
were
related
to
sales
of
miniature
bottles
or
quarter
Pines
or
from
the
amount
bars
that
are
in
Chelsea
or
from
the
amount
of
people
that
are
really
dealing
with
alcoholism
and
all
the
bars
around
Chelsea
I
work
mostly
in
Roxbury.
You
could
probably
count
on
one
hand
how
many
bars
are
open
that
sell
alcohol-
maybe
maybe
maybe
it's
two
or
three,
but
in
Chelsea's
on
every
block.
The
point
is
that
they're,
not
necessarily
a
reflection
of
our
city.
We
don't
have
menthol
cigarettes,
we
might
lose.
R
This
Kathleen
mentioned
that
sometimes
it's
30
of
inventory,
which
could
be
30
of
sales
which,
if
we
look
at
quick
numbers
that
we're
scrambling
put
together
to
give
you
data
from
the
other
side,
because
a
lot
of
people
don't
have
it.
That
might
mean
three
or
four
employees
per
store
that
we
have
to
cut
back
on,
so
that
we
can
make
the
numbers
work.
R
That
means
in
a
city
like
Boston,
if
you,
if
you
have
200
or
250
or
so
liquor,
licenses,
liquor,
establisher,
liquor,
stores,
package
stores
that
could
be
over
a
thousand
people
losing
their
jobs
and
we're
just
small
stores
right,
and
so
we
got
to
look
at
whether
okay
are
we
willing
to
sacrifice
that
thousand
and
those
families
for
a
greater
good,
because
Council
Arroyo
said,
look
I'm
getting
this
much
information
about
the
negative
and
it
comes
on
a
profit
but
I'm
getting
all
this
about
the
positives
and
I.
Don't
think
it's
necessary
scale.
R
That
way,
because
we
haven't
worked
together
to
figure
out
a
happy
medium,
our
stores
being
asked
to
not
carry
these
when
they're
being
transferred.
They
are,
it
is
their
financial
impact
on
it
is
we've
seen
those
sales
drop,
30
or
40
percent
of
the
value
of
that
store
in
Chelsea.
What
they
didn't
tell
us
was
that
a
lot
of
store
owners
have
sold
because
they
can
no
longer
make
their
numbers
work.
R
It's
one
thing:
when
we're
right
now
in
the
environment
that
we're
in
with
Rising
rates
with
Rising
wages,
we're
Rising
everything
to
try
and
keep
the
lights
on.
It's
no
longer
the
business
that
it
was
years
ago
am
I
going
to
be
fine.
Are
people
going
to
be
fine
yeah?
Other
people
are
going
to
be
laid
off.
Fine,
perhaps
they'll
find
other
jobs,
but
we're
not
going
in
that
direction,
and
a
lot
of
the
beautiful
things
that
they
said
about.
R
Chelsea
do
tie
into
gentrification
now
they're
buying
stuff
in
downtown,
and
now
they
have
different
kinds
of
restaurants.
Chelsea
is
changing
and
it's
not
changing
to
look
like
us.
It's
changing
to
look
very
different,
and
so
we
need
to
look
at
it
from
every
angle
to
see
how
we
can
work
together,
because
we
rely
on
our
counselors
to
support
the
small
business
Community
right
now,
we're
only
here
in
one
side
and
that's
why
you
have
all
this
data
and
the
positives,
and
only
people
saying
it's
profit,
but
what
are
they
doing
with
that
profit?
R
Is
that
employing
people
where's
that
profit
going?
It's
not
going
to
a
brand
new
Mercedes
or
if
you
take
that
away
how's
that
impacted,
will
people
buy
the
next
size
up?
We
don't
know
we
don't
know
you
know
people
are
going
to
buy
whatever
they
want
to
buy
right,
but
right
now,
I
can
tell
you
from
one
of
our
stores
it's
almost
30
of
sales,
and
it
will
cost
us
three
to
four
employees,
so
in
closing
I'm
hoping
that
we
can
have
a
further
discussion
and
maybe
meet
somewhere
a
middle
ground.
R
If
it's
not
a
done
deal
because
as
I
sat
here,
I
almost
felt
like
he's
set
on
it,
but
I
know
to
be
open
to
here
in
all
sides.
So
we've
been
here
three
hours,
I,
don't
want
to
take
up
more
time
and
keep
everybody
here
longer,
I'm,
hoping
that
there's
a
continuing
conversation,
that's
going
to
take
into
account
the
effect
that
it'll
have
and
that
we
can
collect
data
which
we
learned
today
is
non-existent.
B
Thank
you,
Mr
chairman.
Are
we
there
all
right?
Thank
you.
Mr
chair
I'm
also
grateful
to
our
business
Community
for
taking
the
time
to
be
here.
Obviously
this
is
an
impactful
important
issue
for
you.
So
I
want
to
be
clear
because
I
I
don't
see
most
of
you
in
here
for
other
Council
issues.
That's
not
a
criticism.
That's
just
this
process
is
a
little
different.
B
The
reason
that
there's
less
of
a
focus
on
what
you're
speaking
to
about
timing-
and
all
of
that
is
because
this
isn't
an
issue
that
eventually
will
get
made
here.
So
generally
speaking,
when
we
do
something
in
the
city
council
it
comes
before
the
city
council
is
a
vote
in
some
way,
shape
or
form.
There's
an
ordinance
or
home
rule
petitions
to
the
state.
B
This
is
essentially
going
to
have
to
go
through
the
licensing
board
and
the
licensing
board
if
they
decide
to
do
this
will
be
required
to
have
a
listening
sessions
with
you
all
specifically,
and
only
really
you
and
so
there's
a
separate
process
to
this.
Where
today
is
generally
speaking
about
figuring
out
what
the
city
already
does
so
I
didn't
realize
that
they
had
a
blanket
sort
of
every
new,
every
transfer
and
then
seeing
where
they
can
go
and
what
the
medical
data
shows.
B
I
would
say
there
is
data,
it's
not
as
broken
down
as
I
would
like
it
to
be,
but
there's
plenty
of
data
that
we
have.
It's
just
a
question
of
getting
it
all
the
way
around.
As
this
moves
forward,
there
will
be
further
conversations
and
chances
for
folks
in
the
business
Community
to
speak
directly
to
the
impact
that
they
believe
this
will
have
on
them
or
that
they
can
show
through
data
or
whatever
it
is
that
it
would
have
on
them.
B
This
right
here
is
to
make
sure
that
we're
building
that
that
conversation
about
is
this
even
worth
exploring,
and
then
once
we
get
to
a
further
step,
unlike
most
Council
things,
which
would
go
to
an
ordinance
or
a
hormone
petition
that
would
go
through
the
city
council
and
then
that
process
would
be
on
us.
This
process
would
transfer
over
to
the
License
Commission
and
the
licensing
board,
and
they
would
sort
of
pick
up
that,
so
everybody
would
be
notified.
Everybody
would
have
a
chance
to
testify.
B
A
C
You
Mr
chair
I,
just
wanted
to
respond
briefly
to
to
these
gentlemen.
Here
that
that
spoke.
Are
we
able
to
I
mean
they?
They
make
good
points,
and
are
we
able
to
do
a
bpda,
Economic
Development
assessment
on
the
impact
that
this
potentially
could
have
on
business
owners
of
color
and
and
not
rush
this,
but
at
least
at
least
do
an
assessment
at
least
do
a
study
and
see
what
the
impact
would
be.
This
gentleman
made
a
made
a
point
that
it
could
he
couldn't
end
up
losing
two
or
three
employees.
C
That's
a
significant
loss
to
someone's
someone's
paycheck
paying
their
bills,
so
I
would
rather
get
this
right
and
do
an
assessment
and
and
learn
and
study
and
and
support
our
businesses
of
color
and
give
them
an
opportunity
to
weigh
in
on
the
study
on
the
assessment.
Is
this
something
we
could
do
with
bpda
and
the
economic
development
team
as
it
relates
to
diversity
Equity?
This
is
certainly
an
issue
that
we
should
be
concerned
about,
especially
as
it
impacts
business
owners
of
color,
I
I.
A
A
So
let's
have
those
conversations
I'm
happy
to
if
there's
any
specific
questions
like
in
terms
of
like
impacts
that
we
could
get
the
bpda
to
answer,
I'm
happy
to
propose
those
questions
to
make
sure
that
we're
having
a
clear
understanding
of
what
the
impacts
will
have
not
only
on
those
that
are
purchasing
or
on
you
know,
the
litter
in
the
streets,
but
also
on
our
business
owners
as
well.
So,
like
I
said,
this
is
just
to
start
up
the
conversation,
an
idea,
we're
not
voting
on
anything.
B
B
I
also
recognize
that
we
have
over
70
establishments
that
don't
sell
signals
or
Miniatures
at
all
and
are
currently
profitable
and
existing
in
the
city
of
Boston
and
those
businesses
have
actually
reached
out.
They
have
actually
been
on
the
news
saying
that
if
these
restrictions
exist
for
them
and
they're
able
to
stay
in
business
and
they're
able
to
operate,
they
actually
think
it's
an
unfair
competitive
advantage
that
other
businesses
are
able
to
continue
to
sell,
singles
and
Miniatures
and
so
I
think
the
business
Community.
B
R
P
Yeah,
do
that
afterwards,
just
real
quick,
the
license
that
they're
talking
about
the
seven
devices
is
most
of
those
are
Community
Grims
that
the
licenses
did
when
they
did
the
transfers
with
the
community
just
to
get
approved
for
the
transfers
or
a
new
license
coming
in
and
all
them
they're,
not
100
million
50
mil
most
of
those
are
all
50
mils
on
restricted
sales.
Your
the
new
proposal,
you're
offering
now,
is
to
remove
100,
mils
and
50
mils
out
of
the
both
you
know,
all
liquor
stores
so
removing
50
mils
might
be.
P
A
All
no
thank
you
for
that
night.
Thank
you.
We
also
have
people
online
yeah,
but
we're
happy
Council,
Roy
and
all
us
happy
to
have
these
conversations
and
also
hold
if
Council
Royal
choose
it
to
hold
another
hearing,
to
have
a
discussion
with
small
business
owners,
so
we'll
go
online
now
and
we'll
start
with
joao
depina
Joey
depina.
S
S
S
However,
I
have
to
look
at
the
other
moral
issue
of
it
is
these
people
that
have
alcoholism
they
depend
on
and
if
I
know,
people
that
literally
buy
five
nips
a
day
and
I'm
gonna
call
them
nips,
because
I
don't
feel
like
I
should
call
them
anything
else
that
I've
called
them
nips,
and
it
was
never
to
me.
It
was
never
any
issues
with
it.
S
So
I'm
not
going
to
change
that
now,
but
nips
are
what
they
depend
on
I
know:
people
they
buy
five
gifts
a
day
and
they
control
their
drinking
with
the
Nets
as
well.
Yes,
I
understand,
there's
big
issues
with
nips
being
thrown
around
and
the
bottles
empty
bottles
being
thrown
around
all
throughout
the
neighborhood.
I
complain
about
her
all
the
time,
but
it's
not
just
nip
size
bottles
of
those
50
ml.
It's
also
the
the
quarter
Pines
the
pints
is
also
trash
and
everything
else
that's
in
our
neighborhood.
S
However,
what
I
notice
about
the
biggest
issue
that
we
should
be
working
on
is
getting
bottle
Returns
on
all
these
bottles.
I
understand
that
the
small
bottles
from
the
woman
that
spoke
earlier
from
High
Park
and
that
the
small
bottles
are
not
able
to
be
recycled
but
I
think
in
2023.
By
now,
there
should
be
a
way
to
figure
out
a
way
to
recycle
them
bottles
for
something
to
do
with
their
models.
S
However,
I
think
that
should
be
the
main
focus
that
Ricardo
should
be
working
on
is
figuring
out
how
we
can
get
bottle
returns
because
I
have
a
big
tequila
bottle
right
in
my
kitchen
and
I
went
to
go,
look
at
it
to
see
if
it
was
even
if
I
could
return
it
for
five
cents,
so
that
one
doesn't
have
a
return
at
all.
There's
some
that
have
returned.
You
can
go
to
Maine,
I,
think
California
everywhere
else,
Massachusetts
doesn't
recycle
alcohol
bottles
most
of
them
at
all.
S
S
A
lot
of
you
all
just
looks
at
me
as
Justice
Joe
work,
but
Joanne
comes
to
you
with
the
knowledge
of
a
lot
of
things
because
I
work
in
the
local
industry,
liquor
stores
make
the
most
money
off
of
selling
the
smaller
bottles,
and
that
is
the
nip
size
bottom,
because
the
other
bottles
they
sell.
They
only
make
some
of
them.
They
only
make
Pennies
on
a
dollar
to
each
bottle
like
when
you
get
to
a
big
bottle
of,
like
let's
say,
a
bottle
of
Hennessy,
which
is
a
fifth
considered,
a
5.75
750
ml.
S
They
barely
make
any
money
on
those
bigger
bottles.
So
when
Ricardo
talked
about,
oh
they
make
bit
more
money,
they'll
make
more
money,
selling
the
bigger
bottles.
I!
Think!
That's
not
the
truth.
That's
not
the
truth!
So
I
need
you
Ricardo
to
look
into
those
things
and
and
research.
Those
aspects
before
you
speak
on
them,
because,
at
the
end
of
the
day,
the
liquor
stores
are
the
ones
the
owners
they're,
the
ones
that
know
what
their
profit
margins
are
and
what
they
make
money
on.
S
Like
the
gentleman
said
earlier,
when
he
first
came
on
to
testify,
we
need
to
figure
out
how
to
work
around
community
and
how
we
can
make
it
that
we
can
keep
our
community
clean
and
we
can
keep
those
bottles
off
of
our
streets
and
off
of
our
sidewalks,
because
all
we're
doing
now
is
once
we
get
rid
of
those
bottles.
We're
just
going
to
find
the
next
size
bottle
out
there.
We're
also
going
to
force
these
people
to
drink
more
alcohol
a
day
than
what
they
were
normally
able
to
consume
a
day.
S
So
therefore
it's
it's,
it
doesn't
make
sense
to
me.
I
feel
like
Ricardo.
We
have
major
issues
in
the
city
of
Boston
to
take
care
of
like
the
gun.
Violence
like
the
the
like
the
out
the
drug
use,
the
needles
and
all
those
other
things,
they're
worried
about
disc
and
getting
rid
of
or
being
their
nips
from
being
sold
and,
like
I
said,
the
only
only
people
that
are
gonna.
A
A
K
K
I
co-founded,
a
group
in
Falmouth
called
litter-free
Falmouth.
Our
goal
is
the
same
as
our
name:
litter-free
Falmouth
in
2018
and
19.
As
a
member
of
a
group
called
the
Falmouth
litter
reduction
team.
We
surveyed
litter
in
families
along
falmouth's
roadsides
the
results
of
20
such
surveys
are
provided
in
a
data
table
that
I
emailed
today
to
councilor
Arroyo
staff
member.
K
K
We
made
presentations
at
a
select
board
meetings
and
public
forums.
We
have
a
town
meeting
form
of
government.
We
submitted
a
petition
or
the
article
placed
on
the
spring
2020
town
meeting
warrants
for
a
bylaw
to
ban
the
sale
of
alcoholic
miniatures
up
to
and
including
100
milliliters
in
size
and
Falmouth
town
meeting
voted
its
approval
of
the
article
at
the
delayed
town
meeting
in
September
2020..
K
K
The
positive
effects
on
our
ropes
on
our
roadsides
parking,
lots,
parks
and
other
public
spaces
is
dramatic.
Virtually
everyone
I
speak
with
about
litter
in
Falmouth
remarks
on
this
Improvement
we're
they
are
seeing
so
many
fewer
alcohol
nips
alcohol
miniatures
in
late
winter.
2023
I
began
doing
total
litter
and
alcohol
miniature
surveys
along
an
arterial
roadway
near
my
home.
K
A
T
Where
can
people
throw
this
bins
this
this?
This
50
millimeter
bottles,
this
single
bottles
that
you
guys
are
referring
to
about?
Not
only
that
we're
struggling
to
make
ends
meet
and
you
guys
by
referring
to
take
these
jobs
away
from
people,
because
honestly,
I
don't
believe
for
what
I've
seen
in
liquor
stores
that
they
can
keep
up
with
more
employees,
taking
away
something
that
people
could
afford
to
just
force
them
to
buy
bigger
bottles.
T
Do
we
really
believe
that
they're
going
to
stop
throwing
it
away
from
the
windows
and
the
road?
It's
something
that
we
take
got
to
take
into
consideration
right
now,
there's
a
lot
of
people.
I
know
who
are
looking
for
jobs.
The
last
thing
we
need
is
to
force
business.
Family
liquor
store
small
business
owners
into
a
position
where
they
need
to
get
rid
of
other
employees
and
myself
as
a
community
member,
hey,
sometimes
I
wanted
it
I'm.
Sorry
I
want
a
50
millimeter
bottle,
because
I
don't
want
to
drink
a
big
bottle.
T
At
the
end
of
my
shift,
I
work:
two
dogs-
you
guys
are
going
to
force
me
to
spend
more
money
on
a
bigger
bottle
when
that's
not
what
I'm
looking
for
I
want
to.
Thank
you
guys,
Feliz
I,
hope
you
I'm
so
happy
to
see
you
there
at
the
panel
avoid
their
fuel
when
I
was
my
younger
teen,
teenager
and
I
know
that
you
know
the
struggle,
the
communities
that
we're
going
through
here
and
we
need
the
jobs
we
need.
We
need,
we
need
the
jobs.