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From YouTube: Committee on Ways & Means on February 9, 2021
Description
Docket #0194 - Hearing regarding an appropriation for a feasibility study and schematic design work at various schools for which the City may be eligible for a grant from the Massachusetts School Building Authority
A
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public
hearing
is
being
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A
That's
ccc.wm
that
says
in
ways
and
means
at
boston.gov
so
and
and
for
panelists
we're
joined
here
today
by
nate
cooter,
the
chief
financial
officer
from
boston,
public
schools,
brian
mclaughlin,
director
of
capital
planning
for
boston,
public
schools
and
carlton
jones.
The
assistant
director
of
operations
for
the
public
facilities
department,
we've
also
been
joined
by
my
colleague,
counselor
michael
flaherty,
at
large.
A
B
I
just
want
to
say
thank
you
to
to
you,
madam
chair,
and
to
brian
and
carlton
and
nate
for
excellent
work
that
you've
been
doing,
providing
the
best
services
and
opportunities
for
our
children
in
bps
through
these
types
of
programs
working
closely
with
the
state
government
with
treasurer
goldberg's
office
as
well.
So
thank
you,
madam
chair,
and
thank
you
to
the
panelists
for
their
exceptional
work.
A
C
So
I
am
excited
about
this.
I
want
to
thank
the
chair
for
doing
this
as
soon
as
possible.
You,
of
course,
have
my
full
support.
I
will
again
be
balancing
now
going
back
to
testify
at
another
hearing
and
then
coming
back
to
this
zoom,
but
if
you
have
any
questions
for
me,
just
know
that
I
just
appreciate
your
prioritizing
this.
As
soon
as
possible,
so
thank
you.
A
D
Good
morning,
madam
chair
also
just
to
add
east
boston's,
great
neighborhood
schools
and
die
in
need
of
these
repairs,
and
now
is
the
time
to
get
it
done.
While
our
kids
are
remote
and
we
have
the
opportunity
to
get
in
there
and
get
the
job
done
quickly,
so
I
will
support
the
chair's
recommendation.
Thank
you,
madam
chair.
A
A
A
E
All
right,
thank
you,
councilor
bach
and
other
counselors
this
morning
for
attending
the
hearing
for
the
accelerated
repair
program.
With
the
massachusetts
school
building
authority.
The
massachusetts
school
building
authority
is
the
state
authority
that
oversees
the
funding
of
public
school
construction
projects
in
the
commonwealth
of
massachusetts.
E
The
msba
is
a
reimbursement
agency
and
works
works
with
local
communities
to
create
affordable,
sustainable
and
energy,
efficient
schools
across
massachusetts
and
is
funded
through
the
through
one
penny
of
the
massachusetts
sales
tax
msba
has
two
programs.
The
core
program
which
focuses
on
major
construction
projects,
including
new,
builds
major
renovations
and
major
repairs.
E
This
slide
provides
a
little
background
on
the
collaborative
efforts
between
the
msp
and
the
city.
To
date,
the
msba
was
created
in
2004
to
oversee
school
construction
projects
from
2004-2014.
There
was
limited,
collaborative
efforts
between
the
city
and
the
msba.
In
total,
five
projects
were
completed
with
the
reimbursement
of
just
under
six
million
dollars.
E
Since
2014
mayor
walsh
has
made
it
a
priority
to
leverage
state
funds
on
school
projects
since
2015,
with
the
help
of
the
city
council,
the
city
has
completed
24
projects,
with
an
additional
three
projects
being
approved
by
the
msba
that
will
go
into
construction.
This
summer
the
27
approved
projects
represent
71.6
million
dollars
in
total
project
costs,
with
upwards
of
41.4
million
dollars
coming
back
to
the
city
in
reimbursement.
E
E
E
We
anticipate
design
to
start
this
spring
with
the
project
to
be
bid
in
late
2021,
early
2022,
construction's
anticipated
for
the
summer
of
2022,
the
one
caveat
being
the
window
project
the
design
time
with
windows
in
the
lead
time
associated
with
fabricating
windows,
usually
bumps
window
projects
out
to
a
second
summer.
So
there
is
possibility
that
the
window
project
at
the
atom
school
may
go
into
construction
of
2023.
A
E
Yes,
we
submitted
11
schools
last
year
and
two
moved
forward
into
the
pro
program.
We
received
a
letter
back
to
from
the
msba
that,
with
the
high
number
of
submissions
that
they
received
this
year,
they
were
only
they
only
allocated
50
million
dollars
for
all
aip
projects,
so
they
going
into
the
accelerator
repair
program.
They
have
certain
parameters
that
schools
need
to
hit
for
submission,
and
that
is
roofs
and
boilers
have
to
be
25
years.
Old
and
windows
needs
to
be
30
years
old.
E
With
the
high
number
of
submissions
they
received,
they
increased
the
the
years
on
those,
so
roofs
and
boilers
had
to
be
at
least
30
years
old
and
windows
needed
to
be
35
years
old.
In
them,
the
that
delta
made
a
lot
of
the
projects
that
we
submitted
this
year
ineligible
eligible
for
the
for
the
program.
A
So
do
we
think
that
that
reflects
a
new
normal
of
I
mean
you
just
illustrated
the
fact
that
we
weren't
really
using
this
program
and
then
we
sort
of
like
have
caught
up
to
trying
to
maximize
it,
and
I
mean
my
concern,
I
mean,
and
it's
a
good
thing
for
the
school
children
of
massachusetts,
but
my
concern
would
be
that
maybe
everyone
else
is
also
catching
up
and
getting
more
on
top
of
it,
because
if
it
were
later,
I
would
have
thought.
Oh,
maybe
it's
covered
related.
A
E
No,
I
know
in
2019
msba
also
received
over
80
arp
submissions
and
again
that
year
they
they
adjusted
the
time
frames
of
eligible
projects.
The
one
thing
they
didn't
do
in
2019
is
they.
They
didn't
move
any
window
projects
forward
that
year.
I
think
it
was
based
upon
the
large
number
of
window
submissions
and
in
the
cost
associated
with
the
window
projects
being
higher
than
the
other
two
scopes
of
work.
That
being
said,
I
wouldn't
I.
E
E
E
I
don't
know
to
be
honest,
I
I
think
we
have
to
figure
out
what's
work
closer
with
the
msba,
to
identify
what
they'll
be
expecting
from
the
ms
from
the
city
of
boston.
I
would
like
to
think
that
we
could,
with
our
large
inventory,
I
think
they
have
been
willing
to
work
with
us
on
moving
forward.
Several
projects
in
2019
in
2020
may
be
a
result
of
just
the
high
number
of
of
requests
throughout
the
commonwealth
and
them
looking
to
kind
of
spread
the
money
throughout
the
state.
E
A
Okay,
got
it
and
yeah
I
mean
I
guess
my
concern
is
just
that
it
seems
like
they
when
they
get
more
when
they
get
more
projects
than
they
anticipate.
They
sort
of
make
up
an
arbitrary
criteria
in
order
to
cut
the
numbers
down
right
like
one
year
eliminating
windows
one
year,
adding
five
years
and
there's
a
randomness
to
kind
of
I
mean
it
seems
hard
for
us
to
anticipate
that
approach.
F
Yeah,
if
I
could
brian,
if
you
don't
mind
if
I
jump
in,
I
think
I'm
relatively
new
to
this,
and
I
think
one
of
the
things
that
I've
sort
of
observed
for
the
msba
is
you
know,
and
this
is
a
challenge
we
have
with
sort
of
finance
and
boston
in
general-
is
that
like
with
351
50
other
towns
and
cities
that
are
much
smaller
than
we
are
they?
You
know
state
agencies,
try
and
think
about
spreading
things
out,
and
so
they
look
at
the
total
dollar
amount.
Probably
that
comes
to
boston.
F
I
think
we've
we've
supported
them
enough,
as
opposed
to
a
per-pupil
sort
of
allocation
view,
and
so
I
just
think
that
there's
there's
some
conversations.
We
need
to
have
about
the
msba
about
how
to
work
with
them
better
as
a
large,
as
you
know,
their
largest
district
with
the
largest
inventory
to
to
make
sure
at
the
top.
A
Great,
thank
you.
I
think
I'm
I'm
gonna
go
now
to
my
colleagues
questions
I
have
a
few
more,
but
I
want
to
get
to
other
folks.
So
again,
I'm
gonna,
I'm
just
gonna,
give
precedence
here
to
counselor
lydia
edwards
from
district
1,
because
it
happens
that
the
msba,
in
its
wisdom,
has
chosen
two
schools
in
her
district.
So
I'll.
A
C
Thank
you
and
I
apologize.
Some
of
these
questions
are
happening
because
I
literally
just
left
the
efsb
hearings,
specifically
on
the
substation
espos,
and
so
I'm
back
here
to
deal
with
the
schools.
So
I
apologize
if
you
could
walk
me
through
the
timeline
specifically
for
some
of
the
infrastructure.
C
Also
in
terms
of
these,
the
I
guess
the
analysis
to
pick
specifically
these
these
schools.
I
have
other
schools,
I'd
love
to
get
some
of
this
infrastructure
upgrade
and
what
is
what's
the
likelihood
of
giving
getting
some
of
them
on
the
pipeline
specifically
to
get
some
these,
these
upgrades
as
well,
so
those
that's
where
I'll
start,
and
I
apologize
again
if
you've
already
addressed
this,
I
literally
just
went
from
one
to
the
other.
E
Okay,
with
the
goal
of
having
these
projects
in
construction
for
the
summer
of
2022,
I
think
that's
more
realistic
for
the
boiler
at
the
pjk
window.
Projects
usually
take
a
little
longer
to
design
and
then
actually
get
the
fabrication
of
the
windows
complete.
So
our
goal
would
be
to
hit
2022
for
the
windows
at
the
atoms,
but
there
is
potential
that
the
construction
of
that
could
be
bumped
out
to
2023..
We'll
have
a
better
idea
of
that
probably
later
2021,
when
the
design
is
a
little
farther
along
in
the
process.
C
I'm
just
sure
just
to
note
one
of
the
frustrations
that
we
got
when
we
got
brand
new
windows
at
the
mckay
in
other
schools
is
that
while
we
really
needed
them,
they
didn't
meet
this
moment
of
a
pandemic
where
we
needed
ventilation.
So
they
opened
kind
of
from
the
top
this
way
and
we
had
ceiling
fans
that
actually
just
come
horizontal
at
the
bottom,
so
they
were
practically
useless,
and
I
am
I'm
curious
in
the
design
and
the
looking
at
of
windows
coming
up.
C
G
Council
edwards
good
morning,
I
can
speak
to
that
a
little
bit,
carlton
jones
from
pfd.
So,
for
instance,
we
just
had
a
windows
project,
also
in
your
district
at
the
otis,
and
one
thing
that
I
want
to
make
sure
that
you
know
is
that,
because
of
the
pandemic,
we
actually
modified
the
window
opening
at
the
otis
to
be
more
conducive
to
current
time.
So
the
windows
were
designed
to
have
stops
that
only
allowed
a
certain
amount
of
air
passage,
largely
because
of
safety,
so
the
wind
without
getting
into
the
weeds.
G
But
you
know
it's
like
a
three-inch
gap
and
you
could
barely
get
your
hand
through
and,
and
you
know,
the
situation
there.
We
went
through
and
retrofitted
the
windows
to
remove
those
stops
in
conjunction
with
boston,
public
schools
and
the
principal
to
ensure
that
the
windows
would
open
up
to
their
maximum
opening
and
still
pro
it
still
provides
safety.
G
H
G
Okay,
I
can
take
that
one
again
good
morning,
counselor
hi,
so,
as
you
know,
the
waltz
administration
had
an
ordinance
that
came
through
your
body
that
passed
relative
to
zero
net
carbon
and
so
for
all
of
our
new
projects,
we're
making
sure
that
those
standards
are
being
adhered
to.
You
know,
there's
a
design
effort,
that's
involved
to
ensure
that
the
building
is
zero
net
energy.
G
Those
do
not
so
much
relate
to
these
projects
because
it's
more
about
the
source
of
fuel
etc,
but
going
forward
absolutely
that
is
definitely
a
consideration
for
the
projects
and
again
for
these
not
so
much,
although
you
know,
we
want
to
make
sure
that
we
have
high
efficiency
and
high
high
efficiency
boilers
and
that's
what
we've
been
getting
for
a
while
anyway,
I
haven't
right
now.
As
you
know,
boston
public
schools
is
a
gas
fed
system,
and
so
right
now
there
are
gas,
natural
gas
boilers.
H
Great
thank
you
for
that.
I
am
you
know
just
a
big
supporter
of
these
efforts,
because
it's
it's
important
to
take
advantage
of
funds
where
we
can
and
do
the
repairs
that
are
long
overdue
for
too
many
of
our
schools,
but
we'll
be
supporting
this
madam
chair,
and
look
forward
to
listening
into
the
rest
of
the
hearing.
Thank
you.
D
Thank
you,
madam
chair.
It's
it's.
First
of
all,
I
want
to
come
in
the
walsh
administration
for
taking
advantage
of
the
mass
school
building
assistance.
Unfortunately,
administration
did
not
do
that.
It
was
always
sad.
I'd
see
treasurers
several
treasurers
during
my
time,
but
I'd
see
them
at
events,
and
they
would
always
ask
me
like
why
boston
was
not
applying.
D
So
I
know
that
so
there's
now
a
I
guess,
a
waiting
list,
if
you
will,
or
the
criteria
sort
of
changes
as
we're
going
through
the
flow,
but
the
fact
that
we're
competing
for
these
very
precious
dollars
to
get
these
repairs
is,
is
commendable
and
should
have
happened
a
long
time
ago.
So
thanks
to
the
administration
for
for
putting
their
best
foot
forward
here
and
putting
boston
in
a
shot
in
in
the
in
the
opportunity
to
get
a
shot
at
some
of
these
funds.
D
I
Good
morning,
everyone,
thank
you
so
much.
I'm
really
here
to
learn
more
about
the
whole
msba
process,
and
I
have
I
have
questions
for
for
nathan
and
offline.
I
hope
to
set
up
a
meeting
and
and
discuss
that,
but
just
back
to
the
issue
of
the
pipeline,
in
terms
of
I
know,
we
have
an
incredible
number
of
schools
in
our
city
that
need
repairs
how
how
do
facilities
advance
on
the
pipeline
or
how
do
you
prioritize
projects
in
the
pipeline
for
attention.
E
Sure
so,
there's
with
in
regards
to
the
capital
project
for
bps,
there's
really
two
streams
of
the
capital
project,
there's
projects
that
are
funded
independent
of
msba
and
then
there's
projects
that
are
funded
through
that
we
look
to
work
with
msba
for
the
funding.
Msba
has
certain
requirements
for
the
accelerator
repair
program.
E
E
The
building
must
be
used
for
educational
purposes,
so
it
can't
be
an
administrative
office,
the
scoop,
the
scope
of
work
is
limited
to
again
just
roof
window
and
boiler
systems,
nothing
beyond
those
three
scopes
of
work.
So
that's
really.
When
we
look
to
put
a
school
in
for
consideration
with
the
mspa,
we
need
to
make
sure
it
fits
those
criteria
for
the
repair
program.
There's
also
another
stream
of
work
through
bps
capital
that
we
look
to
identify.
E
Schools
that
are
in
need
of
any
number
of
repairs
that
may
go
on
may
go
beyond
roof
windows
and
boilers,
but
we
have
a
separate
repair
program
where
we
look
to
address
schools
that
do
present
needs
to
their
building
systems
and
that
may
impact
their
agile
educational
environment.
So
we
we
try
to
address
those
as
soon
as
possible
through
the
msba,
through
the
city
of
boston
capital
program,.
A
Great
thank
you
counselor
braden,
and
a
few
more
questions
for
me.
If
colleagues
can
just
raise
your
blue
hands
or
text
me
if
you
have
a
second
round
of
questions,
because
otherwise
we'll
go
to
public
testimony
after
I
asked
mine,
but
could
you
guys
speak
to?
I
don't
think
I
saw
on
the
spreadsheet
what
the
overall
value
of
the
two
projects
is
anticipated
to
be
obviously
right
now
we're
approving
an
for
the
306
for
the
design,
but
where
sort
of
what's
the
size
of
these
two
projects
overall.
E
I
I
wouldn't
want
to
give
a
an
estimate
right
now,
just
because
we
wouldn't
have
that
until
we
have
the
opm
design
team
on
board
to
work
forward
through
the
design.
We'd
likely
have
that,
probably
later
in
again
late
2021,
when
they've
been
able
to
get
into
the
buildings
and
do
their
go
through
their
process
and
identify
what
boiler
system
in
windows
system
they'll
be
bringing
to
those
two
buildings
based
on
other
schools
of
similar,
the
like
the
otis
building.
E
That
was
just
recently
completed.
That
overall
window
project
was
just
under
three
million
dollars
and
the
boiler
project
at
the
mary
lyon,
which
is
moving
forward,
which
is
kind
of
a
smaller
school.
That's
a
two
million
dollar
project.
So
in
all
likelihood
this
would
be
maybe
three
to
four
million
dollars,
maybe
even
upwards
of
five
million
dollars
for
total
project
costs
between
the
two.
E
They
may
I
know
that
they
they
have
allocated
50
million
dollars.
So
what,
during
the
life
of
the
msba
project,
they
there's
two
times
where
you
need
to
appropriate
funds.
You
bring
on
the
this
initial
funds,
which
we're
going
for
today
would
bring
on
the
opm
and
architect.
As
I
mentioned,
then
the
second
time
you
appropriate
funds
is
when
the
schematic
design
is
complete
when
they
have
a.
E
E
A
Okay,
yeah
I'm
just
trying
to
get
a
feel
for
whether
to
to
nate's
point
like
whether
we're
kind
of
because
there
is
this
thing
at
the
state
level
where
people
say.
Oh,
that's
so
much
to
boston,
and
it's
like
well
we're
also
a
tenth
of
the
state
so
trying
to
get
a
feel
for
whether
we're
kind
of
in
this
new
world
in
which
they
have
a
very
competitive
application
cycle.
F
Yeah,
I
would
just
say
it's
a
great
question
and
it's
a
I
do
think
there's
a
that
is
an
answerable
question.
I
think
what
we
can
do
is
for
sort
of
future
hearings
on
msba
just
come
with
our
overall
sort
of
what
what
we
think
of
boston
share.
You
know,
I
think,
as
brian
and
I
start
to
work
on
the
capital
budget,
we're
we're
thinking
about
our
internal
equity
analysis
and
how
projects
are
selected
based
on
sort
of
the
urgency
of
the
capital
needs
for
the
building,
but
also
then
the
overall
student
needs.
F
A
Yeah,
no,
I
think
that'd
be
great,
and
I
also
think
if
we
could
go
back
to
the
2019
cycle
and
kind
of
look
at
where
we,
where
the
cost
estimates
have
actually
come
in,
because
I
just
suspect
if
it's
actually
like
six
million
and
then
we're
getting
state
reimbursement
at
like
three,
then
it
feels
like
we
might
actually
be
like
kind
of
one
project
behind
where
we
should
be
in
terms
of
proportionality.
So
just
wanted
to
flag
that
I
see
counselor
edwards
his
hand
is
up
so
I'm
gonna
go
to
her
counselor
edwards.
C
E
So
the
the
mspa
is
two
programs,
one
is
core
which
is
for
the
larger
projects
like
dearborn,
baa
and
cotter,
and
the
accelerator
repair
program
is
specifically
for
roof
window
and
boiler
projects.
So
we
identify
schools
that
have
issues
with
those
three
building
systems
that
meet
the
criteria
for
the
msba
program
and
we
submit
them
to
the
msba
for
consideration.
C
C
Okay,
and
and
so
we're
under
this
this,
this
application
is
just
the
accelerator
repair
program.
Okay,
so
I
I
still
want
to
know
in
terms
of
the
core
program,
what
what
is
the
criteria
for
the
city
of
boston
to
apply
for
that
funding,
and
I
asked
this
and
I'll
give
you
the
the
context
as
to
why
one
of
the
infrastructure
build-outs
that
we
want,
and
they
think
we
absolutely
needed,
is
a
matter
of
equity
in
east
boston.
C
His
hepa
filters
in
our
classrooms
specifically
to
deal
with
the
micro
or
the
some
of
the
fallout,
I'm
forgetting
the
scientific
term
for
the
pollutants
and
issues
that
fall
from
the
sky,
specifically
from
airplanes
and
east
boston,
as
you
know,
is
the
neighborhood
where
the
airport
is,
and
so
it
has
it's
been
shown.
It's
it
regularly,
showers
on
all
of
us
and
it
packs
kids
learning.
C
It
impacts
our
ability,
our
health,
that
that
is
not
in
dispute,
and
so
one
of
the
filter
systems
that
actually
help
to
remove
them
is
excuse.
Me
they're
called
ultra
fine
particulates
and
one
of
the
health
systems
or
systems
that
have
been
proven
to
help
remove
them
and
reduce
them
or
help
with
hepa
filters.
C
And
so
I
am.
I
would
like
to
see
the
city
of
boston,
acknowledge
that
there's
a
concern
and
that,
when
it
comes
to
our
schools,
that
there
should
be
a
system
set
up
to
make
sure
that
we
have
that
in
there,
and
I
would
like
to
know
if
the
city
of
boston
would
be
planning
to
apply
for
them.
That
larger
core
funding
to
help
us
get
help
filters
in
all
of
our
public
schools,
especially
in
east
boston.
E
The
the
the
msba
programs
currently
don't
have
that
they
haven't
generally-
and
I
don't
know
of
any
in
the
past,
where
they've
done
like
a
middle
of
the
road
repair
project
or
renovation
project
that
doesn't
kind
of
totally
transform
the
building.
I'm
not
saying
by
any
means
these
that
these
are
needed.
C
In
the
building-
well,
I
I
do.
I
just
wanted
to
put
that
out
there.
I
do
think
it's
worth
it
since
equity
was
coming
up,
since
we
were
discussing
the.
I
think
it's
council
florida
discussed
our
school
fleet
and
just
to
know
that
my
fleet
over
in
east
boston,
is
particularly
burdened
by
these
ultra
fine
particulates.
So
are
my
so
are
my
kids
and
it
impacts
their
learning.
C
C
The
airport
is
polluting
the
kids
in
east
boston,
particularly,
and
I
want
to
make
sure
that
we
are
as
a
school
system,
acknowledging
that,
first
and
foremost,
when
you
go
to
think
about
infrastructure,
build
out.
I
don't
know
that
hepa
filters
could
be
included
in
the
boiler,
analysis
or
window
analysis,
but
I
do
think
it's
worth
figuring
out,
especially
by
this
budget
cycle.
What
form
of
funding
the
city
of
boston
could
be
seeking
to
help
with
the
equity
and
the
learning
and
the
health
of
the
kids
in
east
boston?
C
A
G
Thank
you
sure,
so
I
just
want
to
add
to
the
part
of
the
ultra
fine
particulates.
That
issue
came
up
with
the
jqs.
The
josiah
quincy
upper
school
building,
which
is,
as
you
probably
know,
is
right
on
mass
pike
or
to
be
built
right
on
mass
pike
and
so
that
building
I'm
sorry
yeah.
That
design
did
incorporate
the
hepa
level
4
filters
for
that
exact
same
reason,
so
yeah.
G
And
so
you
know
I
can
take
that
back
to
the
team
saying
you
know
if
we
are
doing
a
whole
scale,
renovation
in
east
boston
and
something
else
has
not
happened
through
our
regular
capital
funds,
which
would
be
another
way
to
finance
that
type
of
effort
that
we
would
make
sure
that
we
look
at
the
ultrafine
particulate
issue
and
try
to
mitigate
that
situation.
To
the
extent
that
we
can.
G
A
A
G
A
F
Oh
sorry,
if,
if
I
could,
I
just
I
would
be
remiss
if
I
didn't
mention
you
know
one
of
the
things
that
we're
we're
talking
about
on
our
operating
budget
and
then
we're
going
to
be
presenting
on
our
capital
budget.
Is
everything
geared
around
this
idea
of
return
recover
and
reimagine
for
bps,
and
I
think,
in
terms
of
the
questions
about
both
returning
and
recovery,
we've
asked
ourselves
these
these
difficult
questions
around.
F
Is
we
did
seven
million
dollars
in
window
repairs
this
this
year
to
get
our
buildings
sort
of
ready
for
students
to
return?
But
when
we
talk
about
build
bps-
and
we
start
talking
about
our
capital
planning
going
forward,
it's
going
to
be
paving
a
path
and
sort
of
launching
a
new,
predictable
pattern
of
upgrades
and
building
replacements,
and
I
think
councilor
edwards
you're
feeling
it
most.
F
I
think
east
boston
is
the
the
neighborhood,
that's
the
average
oldest
building
stock
and
when
you
mention
the
airport,
some
of
the
particular
concerns
around
that
that
tells
us
we
need
to
be
thinking
about.
How
do
we
really
get
into
a
new
pattern
of
of
major
renovations
or
new
buildings,
and
that's
something
that
that
brian
and
I
are
really
excited
about
launching
and
of
course
it's.
I'm
always
reminded
of
the
the
old
saying
right.
The
best
day
to
plant
a
new
tree
was
20
years
ago.
The
next
best
day
is
today.
C
C
I
know
we
have
modular
classes
for
the
warren
prescott
to
compensate
for
the
lack
of
space.
Obviously
I
think
there's
going
to
be
a
marrying
of
the
space,
the
edwards
with
the
warren
prescott
again
just
when
we,
when
we
go
to
build
out,
I
guess
I'm
asking
for
a
commitment
that
the
hepa
filter
and
the
analysis
will
be
part
of
both
one
over
at
the
paris
street.
Where
I
know
it's
going
to
be
a
wonderful
bill
that
we're
all
waiting
for
it
and
then
over
at
the
edwards.
F
All
of
the
things
that
we
ran
into
challenges
this
year,
I
think
size
of
classrooms
and
the
layout
of
the
school
needs
to
be
sort
of.
You
know
we
need
to
have
a
building
program
that
addresses
things
like
health
and
pandemic
readiness
in
the
way
that,
like
you
know
before
this,
we
were
talking
a
lot
about
school
safety,
because
the
things
that
we
were
concerned
about
had
to
do
with
sort
of
active,
shooter
drills,
and
so
we
were
thinking
about
the
layout
of
school
buildings.
F
This
is
now
another
factor,
and
I
think
the
edwards
building
and
the
pear
street
project
are
both
real,
like
near-term
opportunities
for
us
to
do
our
first
sort
of
version
of
that.
So
you
definitely
have
our
commitment
to
have
air
flow,
and
health
and
safety
be
a
massive
part
of
how
we,
how
we
consider
and
evaluate
that
project.
C
I
think
the
only
other
thing
I
would
follow
up
with
and
thank
you
for
that
is
what
I've
been
asking
for.
I
think
since,
since
I
got
in
office
which
is
really
a
push
for
acknowledging,
you
know
what
you
already
are,
which
is
about
the
equity
issue.
This
is
about
equity
issue
and
it's
also
an
environmental
justice
issue
which
we
are,
which
we
are
seeing
right.
The
neighborhoods
east
boston,
those
neighborhoods
that
have
highways
through
them.
Specifically,
these
are
equity
and
environmental
justice
issues.
C
How
we
leverage,
then
the
question
I
have
had
is:
why
aren't
we
leveraging
more
private
dollars
and
partnerships
and
the
amount
of
development
that's
going
on,
especially
in
east
boston
and
apart
chinatown
and
downtown,
to
make
them
pay
for
or
to
get
bps
to
get
some
of
that
money
to
help
pay
for
this
infrastructure?
Build
out?
That's
I.
I
would
love
honestly
that
analysis
that
council
black
had
asked
for
like
how
much
does
it
cost?
C
What
does
it
look
like
to
retrofit
these
things,
because
I
think
we're
not
utilized
enough
as
counselors
to
go
to
these
private
developers
and
say
you
know
what
you
know,
whereas
bps
may
not
be
able
to
do
it.
I
have
no
problem
shaking
down
a
developer
for
helping
to
mitigate
the
health
implications
and
the
health
impacts
of
my
kids
and
and
helping
to
make
sure
that
they're
educated
in
the
safest
environment
as
possible,
and
so
I
know
we're
trying
to
work
with
suffolk
downs.
C
We've
been
trying
to
work,
but
that's
that's
far
far
far
far
away
from
us
in
terms
of
you
know,
before
we
have
a
middle
school
up
there
or
whatever
school
we're
going
to
build
up
there.
But
I
mean
I
mean
every
single
day
in
as
much
as
people
are
moving
and
building
and
and
oftentimes
their
their
building
and
construction
is
one
of
the
leads
lead
causes
of
climate
issues
and
carbon
in
in
our
environment.
C
Why
aren't
we
and
why
isn't
bps
pushing
for
more
and
from
private
dollars?
I
love
that
you're
pushing
for
more
from
the
state,
but
the
state's
going
to
deal
with
the
deficit
shortly
and
we
might
the
opportunity
may
not
come
up
but
private
dollars
the
amount
of
money,
that's
being
made
nine
billion
dollars
worth
of
construction
projects.
Here
I
I'll
I
just
want
to
see
more
price
tags
and
and
and
that
you
utilize
more
of
us.
F
Yeah
love,
I
love
that
idea
and
I
definitely
think
that
the
bps
has
not
been
organized
to
leverage
those
resources
in
the
same
way
that
you
know
before
all
the
hard
work
of
carlton
and
brian
and
the
pfd
team
and
the
mayor's
office
to
to
we
weren't
in
a
position
to
leverage
the
accelerated
repair
program
from
msba.
I
think
you're,
what
you're
highlighting
is,
as
we
get
more
organized
and
get
our
our
building
schedule
and
our
facilities
master
plan
really
laid
out.
So
you
can
see
this
is
where
we
want
to
go
over
10
years.
F
That
then
opens
the
door
for
us
to
go
to
private
developers.
Other
people
who
are
private
philanthropy
who
want
to
see
us,
upgrade
our
buildings
and
know
what
they're
getting
for
the
next
million
2
million
20
million.
However,
however,
however,
many
million
you're
going
to
shake
down
people
in
east
boston
to
help
us
I'm.
C
Good
I'm
good.
I
would
also
just
point
to
then
the
other
institutions
that
are
not
in
the
room,
which
are
the
ones
that
are
supposed
to
be
pilot
payments
as
well,
so
how
we
direct
some
of
that
money
towards
either
you
know
our
public
institutions
or
our
educational
facilities.
So
looking
at
colleges,
universities
and
some
nonprofits
I'll,
stop
there
counselor
bach,
I
know
council
braden
is
waiting.
So
thank
you
so
much
for
your
indulgence.
C
A
You
counselor
edwards
no,
and
I
was
I
was
strongly
second,
I
think
that
when
we
talk
about
mitigation
and
development
projects,
you
know
we're
frequently
saying
oh
you're
going
to
add
a
bunch
of
apartments
here.
So
could
you
help
support
the
park?
That's
across
the
way
that
you
know
everyone
who
lives
here
is
going
to
use,
but
we're
not
well
set
up
as
counselors
to
also
have
the
conversation
about
those
public
school
infrastructure
that
complements
these.
I
No,
I
feel
that
this
this
this
this
hearing
is
focused
on
east
boston
schools,
but
this
is
a
big
big
issue
for
all
of
us.
I
I
wanted
to
make
sure-
and
I
will
continue
to
play
this
tune
until
I
get
where
I
need
to
get
the
the
jackson,
man
elementary
and
the
horace
mann
school
for
the
deaf
are
slated
to
be.
They
were
supposed
to
close
la
this
june,
but
they've
got
we've
got
another
year.
I
When
the
time
comes
and
that
we
can,
we
can
expedite
that
process
because
the
jackson,
the
hardest
man,
the
school
for
the
deaf,
has
actually
been
temporarily
housed
at
the
jackson,
man
complex
for
50
years
and
the
building
is
about
to
fall
down.
And
when
we
talk
about
older
buildings,
many
of
the
older
buildings
are
solid.
Well-Built
buildings
and
jackson.
Mann
is
one
of
the
more
new
schools
in
our
district
and
it's
it's
been
closed.
I
F
Yeah,
absolutely
I
I
would
just
say
a
couple
quick
notes:
the
the
building
is.
We
have
announced
that
we
do
need
to
close
the
jackson,
man
building.
We
do
feel
confident
that
the
building
is
safe
beyond
actually
next
june.
We
think
it.
The
hvac
repairs
were
the
big
concern.
We
continue
to
monitor
the
roof,
so
the
building
is.
It
does
need
to
be
closed
and
is
not
in
good
condition,
but
we
don't
it's
not
yet
condemned
the
the
piece.
F
The
finding
swing
space
for
the
horace
mann
school
is
our
number
one
priority.
It's
something
that
we've
been
working
with
the
community
on.
We
have
not
found
a
viable
solution
that
the
both
the
district
and
the
school
agree
on,
but
we
are
actively
working
on
that
and
hope
to
have
resolution
here
in
the
near
future.
And
then
you
will
see
money.
F
F
So
that's
that's
going
to
get
us
out
of
the
the
issue
that
came
up
with
the
jackson,
man
and
the
issue
that
we
dealt
with
with
the
west
roxbury
education
complex,
which
was
we
were
dealing
with
a
building
emergency
that
has
set
us
back
in
terms
of
our
planning
for
wps
overall,
and
you
know
we're
certainly
working
very
quickly,
because
that
kind
of
disruption
is
not
acceptable
and
not
okay
for
communities.
So
I
appreciate
your
advocacy
on
that
and
look
forward
to
updates
for
the
community
here.
I
Yeah
I'll
see
if
we
can
set
up
an
appointment
to
have
a
you
and
brian
to
talk,
talk
this
through
a
bit
more.
The
other
issue
really
is
you
know
it's
sort
of
shocking
to
think
that
two
schools
that
were
built
in
the
70s
are
have
been
are
really
slated
to
be
demolished.
One
of
them
is
already
condemned
and
the
other
slated
to
be
demolished,
or
you
know,
in
the
near
fairly
near
future.
D
A
Thank
you,
councillor,
braden,
the
yeah
I'll
as
a
district
counselor.
I
now,
of
course
want
to
be
like
well
in
my
district
in
my
district,
the
two
mckinley
schools
that
are
in
the
district
need
a
lot
of
help
and
I
think,
are
both
actually
sites
that
really
call
for
a
kind
of
reimagining
and
have
a
lot
of
space
around
them
with
their
parking
lots.
A
And
I
just
think
you
know
that
we're
really
not
where
we
need
to
be
there
in
terms
of
serving
those
kids
and
in
terms
of
serving
my
neighborhoods,
which
don't
have
any
neighborhood
elementary
or
middle
school,
and
and
you
know,
and
then
that
you
know,
I
think
the
tobin
was
the
beneficiary
of
one
of
these
msba
grants.
But
has
other
systems
still
in
need?
A
And
I
I
do
hear
you
nate
on
the
point
that
you
know
you
can't
you
can
upgrade
an
hvac
system,
but
you
can't
magic,
an
hvac
system
into
a
school
that
doesn't
have
basic
infrastructure
for
hvac
built
into
it
right,
and
I
think
that's
a
lot
of
what
we've
been
dealing
with
this
this
year.
Yeah
and
then
yeah.
So
in
my
in
in
my
district,
that's
you
know
we're,
I
think
it's.
A
The
bigger
question
is
the
paucity
of
elementary
and
middle
school
resources
and
then
even
the
ones
that
we
have
are
really
not
they're
not
up
to
us
enough,
but
we
we
didn't.
We
didn't
bring
you
here
today
for
the
for
the
district
counselors
at
all
school
building
capital
project
hearings.
So
I
won't
go
further
on
mine,
but
I
just
wanted
to
circle
back
on
one
more
thing
related
to
the
topic
at
hand,
which
is,
and
it's
a
little
bit
deja
vu.
It's
come
up
in
the
last
two
of
these.
A
E
So
for
the
design,
the
opm
and
architect
for
arps
are
assigned
by
the
msba,
they
do
their
own
procurement
and
they
assign
all
districts
that
move
forward
into
the
accelerated
repair
program.
With
an
opm
and
architect.
When
the
project's
ready
to
bid,
then
the
public
affiliates
department
will
oversee
the
bidding
of
the
project.
A
Brian
today
was
your
comment
about
the
windows.
You
know
the
idea
that
we
already
we
know
ahead
of
time
that
window
projects
can
take.
You
know
through
two
summers
because
of
the
finickiness
of
fitting
I'm
like.
Well,
we
should.
Why?
Are
we
not
like
encouraging?
You
know
the
somebody
to
become
in
the
city
of
boston
like
the
best
finicky,
school
building
window,
fitter
company
and
then
and
then
you've
got
the
advantage
of
being
like.
Oh
everyone
else
in
the
state.
It
takes
them
two
summers,
but
there's
this
like
cracker
jack
shop
in
boston.
A
You
know
that
is
an
opportunity
to
be.
You
know
a
minority
owned
business
and
and
then
also
just
gets
really
great.
At
this
thing.
I
just
think
that
wherever
this
has
come
up
in
other
sides
of
things
around
the
conservation
corps
idea
I'm
pushing,
but
wherever
we,
the
city,
are
creating
a
demand
pipeline.
A
I
just
think
that
our
like
other
aspects
of
the
city,
need
to
be
working
on
a
supply
pipeline
for
that
work,
so
that
we
so
that
we
don't
just
sort
of
passively
wait,
because
we
know
we
know
when
we
passively
wait
for
the
lowest
bidder
on
the
state
like
within
the
confines
of
the
state
process
that
like
we,
we
don't
get
the
kind
of
diversity.
We
don't
get
the
kind
of
local
contractors.
A
G
Thank
you,
madam
chair,
so
in
anticipation
of
today's
meeting
I
kind
of
was
thinking
about
it
because
I
know
the
last
two
times.
We've
talked
you
know
this
has
been
discussed
and
we
haven't
really
moved
forward,
and
so
I'm
thinking
you
know.
So
what
is
the
action
step?
How
do
we
actually
move
forward
with
this?
Because
I
think
it's
a
great
idea.
I
do
want
to
caution
you
with
the
windows.
Example.
Windows
is
a
little
bit
peculiar.
G
So
I
was
thinking
what
is
the
next
step,
so
I
think
the
next
step
might
be
so
realizing
we're
all
in
our
own
respective
roles,
but
it
might
be
something
that
the
council
might
be
able
to
put
together
a
task
force
or
a
study
group
or
something
where
your
thoughts
and
our
thoughts
can
come
together.
We
can
discuss
the
matter
and
literally
brainstorm
a
way
through.
I
think
if
we
try
to
do
it
individually,
we're
going
to
be
missing
out
on
certain
pieces.
G
Quite
frankly,
you
know
so
we'd
want
to
be
we'd
want
to
have
the
benefit
of
your
expertise
and
your
thoughts
on
the
matter
and
then
our
expertise
and
our
thoughts
on
the
matter
to
how
we
can
do
this
within
the
procurement
laws
which
we
have
to
be
mindful
of,
of
course.
So
I
think
that'd
be
a
great
idea,
but
you
know
I'd
have
to
work
with
chief
brophy,
maybe
to
possibly
connect
with
your
office,
or
I
know
it
was
counseling
mia's
office
office
yep.
G
So
maybe
we
can
put
together
a
think
tank
or
a
group
or
whatever
you
want
to
call
it,
but
a
group
of
us
together.
So
we
can
think
it
through,
because
I
definitely
think
you're
in
the
right
in
the
right
space
about
what
should
happen
and
we
could
benefit
because
we,
you
know
we
do
sometimes
go.
Oh
here
we
go
low
bid.
A
A
This
is
what
I'm
stuck
with
and
I
just
think
the
way
out
is
is
being
proactive
and
you
can't
you
can't
proactively,
cultivate
an
ecosystem
of
like
diverse
and
local
potential
bidders
for
every
need
that
the
city
has.
But
when
you
see
one
that
the
city
has
consistently
that
moves
a
lot
of
money
and
is
something
that
we
like
genuinely
need
and
are
going
to
continue
to
genuinely
need
for
decades
and
decades
to
come,
like
that's
the
place
to
be
like
all
right.
So
how
do
we
cultivate
that
ecosystem?
A
A
I
should
say
that
I'm
definitely
going
to
be
recommending
tomorrow
that
this
appropriation
be
approved
by
the
council,
so
that
the
the
you
know,
design
king,
you
can
get
the
opm
team
and
you
guys
can
get
moving
forward
and
I
know,
as
councilor
edwards
has
articulated,
that
this
work
is
urgent
to
the
east,
boston,
schools,
the
adams
and
the
kennedy,
and
I
also
want
to
flag.
But
of
course
you
know
as
soon
as
as
soon
as
that
process
for
the
next,
the
soi
process
for
the
next
round
starts
up.
A
A
I
A
I
would
like
some
some
just
back
of
the
envelope
sense
on
that
proportionality
question
looking
back
the
last
few
years
and
because
I
I
do
want
to
make
sure
that
we
don't
we,
I
don't
want
it
to
be
that
there
was
this
bubble
where
we
did
really
well
by
the
msba
or
the
msba
did
well
by
us,
and
then
it
kind
of
subsides
now
that
we've
got
more
people
in
the
pipeline.
So
I
want
to
pay
good
attention
to
that
plus.