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Docket #0463 - Message and order for your approval an order authorizing the City of Boston to submit to the Massachusetts School Building Authority (MSBA) two Statements of Interest
Docket # 0464 - Message and order for your approval a revised order authorizing the City of Boston to submit to the Massachusetts School Building Authority (MSBA) Statements of Interest for its Accelerated Repair Program for the following schools: Haley Pilot School, Curley K-8 School Lower Building, Burke High School, Henderson K-12 Inclusion School Upper Campus, Ohrenberger School, and English High School
A
Good
afternoon,
everyone
for
the
record,
my
name
is
tanya,
fernando
anderson,
the
district
7
city
council.
I
am
the
chair
of
boston
city
council
committee
on
ways
and
means
this
hearing
is
being
recorded
and
is
being
live
streamed
at
boston.gov
for
slash
city
dash,
council
dash
tv.
A
A
We
will
be
taking
public
testimony
at
the
end
of
this
hearing
if
any
are
available.
If
you
are
here
with
us
in
the
chamber,
I
don't
think
there's
anyone
here,
please
sign
up
at
a
signing
sheet.
If
you
are
interested
in
testifying
virtually
please
email,
ccc.wm.
A
Today's
hearings
on
docket
number
zero,
four,
six
three
message
and
order
for
your
approval:
an
order
authorizing
the
city
of
boston
to
submit
to
the
massachusetts
school
building
authority,
two
statements
of
interest
and
docket
number
zero.
Four:
six:
four
message:
in
order
for
your
approval:
a
revised
order
authorizing
the
city
of
boston
to
submit
to
massachusetts,
school
building
authority,
statements
of
interest
for
its
accelerated
repair
program
for
the
following
schools:
hailey
pilot
school
curly,
k-8
school,
lower
building,
burke,
high
school
henderson,
k-12
inclusion,
school
upper
campus
orenberger
school
and
english
high
school
today.
A
A
Today,
our
panelists
for
today's
hearing,
I
have
carrie
griffin,
director
of
public
facilities,
department,
hi,
carrie,
morgan,
mcdaniel,
public
facilities,
deputy
chief
of
operations,
but
you
are
not
joining
us
as
a
panelist.
All
right.
Thank
you.
David
bloom,
bps,
deputy
chief
financial
officer,
hi,
indy
alvarez,
bps,
chief
operations,
officer
and
hi.
Miss
alvarez
teresa
neff,
webster,
deputy
chief
of
operations.
A
And
I
will
now
turn
to
the
floor
for
to
the
panelists.
If
you
would
like
to.
A
Is
anyone
here
from
the
administration
you're
from
miss
kerry,
director
public
facility
department?
Sorry,
I
can
turn
it
to.
I
will
turn
it
to
administration.
Then
we
can
go
to
the
rest
of
the
panelists
then
to
questions
just
before
we
do
that.
I
just
wanted
to
address
that.
We've
been
joined
by
my
counselor
colleague,
president
council,
ed
flynn
and
miss
kerry.
You
can
take
it
away.
B
Both
for
bps
they're
doing
their
submission
for
the
msba
in
I'm
here,
just
if
there
are
any
questions
on
the
capital
plan
or
the
msba
process
after
the
statements
of
interest
are
submitted,
then,
if
they're,
if
they're
approved
by
the
msba,
then
my
department
takes
the
project
over
once
it
actually
becomes
a
project.
So
I'm
going
to
turn
it
over
to
david.
A
C
Thank
you
very
much
counselor.
Thank
you.
Sorry.
I
always
have
to
get
used
to
hearing
my
own
voice.
Thank
you.
Everyone
who's
watching
at
home,
we've
prepared
some
short
remarks
about
our
msba
statement
of
interest,
submission
specifically
about
the
core
program,
which
is
the
main
focus
of
today's
hearing
to
my
understanding.
C
So
we
start
with
what
our
students,
our
families
and
our
staff
deserve,
which
are
which
is
equitable
access
to
excellent
buildings,
as
well
as
predictability
and
transparency
that
really
grounds
our
work
and
the
presentation
you're.
Seeing
today,
the
core
of
the
presentation
is
about
the
massachusetts
school
building
authority.
C
C
So
the
order,
the
revised
order
you
see,
reflects
what
we've
submitted
to
the
msba
and
what
we
would
like
to
move
forward
through
those
repairs
like
it
says,
on
the
top
of
the
slide
in
your
packet,
we've
been
approved
for
approximately
206
million
dollars
since
2015.
now
you'll
notice
on
the
next
page.
There's
some
additional
information
about
how
that
breaks
out.
C
D
C
I
don't
know
if
we
could
go
to
the
next
slide
if
that's
possible,
I
might
not
be
using
this
correctly.
I'm
sorry
at
the
blackstone.
Oh,
thank
you
so
much
at
the
blackstone.
There
are
a
couple
of
issues
that
are
causing
us
to
submit
this
statement
of
interest.
C
Finally,
there
are
a
number
of
general
building
systems
that
could
be
that
are
in
use
of
an
upgrade
or
an
update
that
would
be
leveraged
alongside
these
first
two
items.
C
In
the
otis
building,
the
the
school
building
at
the
otis
is
at
its
full
capacity.
They
are
using
every
nook
and
cranny
of
the
space
in
that
building
to
ensure
that
kids
are
getting
everything
they
need,
but
in
addition
to
the
expansion
of
sixth
grade
the
spaces
in
that
building
are
not
ideal
for
21st
century
learning
and
we
think,
through
this
msba
process,
through
expansion
into
a
two
site
facility
between
their
existing
building
and
the
paris
street,
lot
we'll
be
able
to
get
the
students,
the
learning
environments
that
they
deserve.
C
The
massachusetts
school
building
authority
process
takes
place
over
a
extended
time
period,
so
the
first
thing
we're
doing
right
now
and
sorry
next
slide.
Please
nope.
Maybe
I
don't
know
if
I
did
that
or
someone
else
did,
but
thank
you
is
what
we're
doing
right
now,
which
is
both
the
city
council
and
the
school
committee
vote
to
approve
the
submission
of
a
statement
of
interest
to
the
msba.
C
We've
already
submitted
our
accelerated
repair
program
sois
and
the
core
sois
are
due
on
by
april
29th
apologize
for
that
slightly
outdated
language
there.
This
is
us
returning
to
the
council
over
the
course
of
the
summer
and
fall.
The
msba
will
review
the
statements
of
interest
submitted
from
across
the
commonwealth
at
some
point
in
the
late
fall
of
2022,
perhaps
running
into
the
early
winter
of
2023.
A
I
just
wanted
to
addressed
that
my
my
council
colleague,
we've
been
joined
by
council
colleague
bach,
and
we
also
got
a
letter
submission
from
council
colleague,
rudy
luizian,
and
I
just
have
to
read
the
sentence
record
and
my
apologies
and
then
we'll
go
into
questioning
dear
committee
on
ways
and
means.
A
I
regret
to
inform
you
that
I
will
be
unable
to
attend
the
meeting
for
the
committees
on
ways
and
means
to
discuss
the
massachusetts
state
building
authority,
statement
of
interest,
docket
zero,
four,
six,
four
and
zero
six
four,
three,
the
s,
the
ms
va
accelerated,
grant
repair
program
is
vital
to
the
boston,
public
schools
and
its
infrastructure.
Thank
you
for
your
diligence
and
timely
hearing
on
this
important
matter.
My
staff
will
be
attending
and
I
will
thoroughly
review
the
video
hearing,
minutes
and
public
testimony.
A
A
E
Thank
you,
madam
chair,
and
thank
you
to
the
pianos
for
being
here
today
and
for
the
important
work
you're
doing
in
the
city
as
well,
so
on
the
two
dock
at
zero:
four:
six:
three
and
zero,
four
six,
four,
so
zero!
Four
six
three
would
be
the
black,
the
blackstone
school
and,
what's
the
second
school,
the
oldest
school,
the
older
school,
okay
and
then
zero
four
six
four
would
be
the
accelerated
repair
program
for
those
other
schools.
E
What
are
the
challenges
the
other
schools
are
having,
so
that
they
were
able
to
benefit
from
the
accelerated
repair
program?
What
structural
issues
are
they
having.
C
C
C
E
C
The
blackstone
school
is
giving
the
school
community
a
up-to-date,
21st
century
k-6
school
building
environment
through
the
msba
process.
We
will
understand
more
about
what
that
exactly
looks
like
be
it
a
major
renovation,
new
construction
or
other
thing
for
the
otis.
It's
a
similar
goal,
but
the
process
will
be
slightly
different
in
that
the
city
has
already
acquired
a
parcel
at
paris
street,
just
down
the
street
from
the
otis
for
an
expanded,
k6
21st
century
site
at
that
school
as
well.
E
Thank
you.
I've
been
into
the
blackstone
many
times
and
it's
a
wonderful
school
community,
certainly
with
with
many
many
wonderful
families
there.
I
know
they
have
a
large
number
of
students
from
east
boston,
large
large
latinx
community,
many
students
residents
from
villa
victoria
in
and
around
that
neighborhood.
I
was
over
there
yesterday
over
the
weekend.
Actually.
E
C
Yes,
exactly
what
that
looks
like
will
be
determined
through
the
msba
process,
but,
for
all
intents
and
purposes,.
E
E
B
If
this
gets
accepted
into
the
program
this
school,
we
would
develop
a
feat.
The
first
step
is
a
feasibility
study,
so
we
would
look
at.
Is
it
worth
salvaging
the
building
and
gutting
it
completely
or
tearing
down
and
then
based
on
that
either
option
is
going
to
require
the
children
to
have
to
go
to
a
swing
space
which
we
will
work
with
bps
to
develop.
What's
the
the
the
best
location
in
the
school
community.
E
Thank
you
kerry.
So
what
would
the
relationship
be
with
the
I?
I
know
the
bcyf
team
provides
a
lot
of
services
to
the
youth
in
in
the
south
end.
What
would
the
relationship
be
with
the
ongoing
construction?
E
How
would
we
get
the
the
youth
of
the
south
end
so
that
they
can
still
play
sports?
They
can
do
their
activities,
but
the
bcyf
and
the
south
end
at
the
blackstone
rather
plays
a
critical
role.
So
what
would
that
relationship
be
like
or
support?
Would
you
provide
the
young
people
of
the
celta
and
roxbury,
because
it's
kind
of
right
on
the
border
a
little
bit
just
down
the
road
a
little
bit
from
roxbury?
So
how
would
that
relationship
be.
F
Thank
you
for
that
question.
Counselor.
The
the
one
thing
that
we
are
discussing
on
a
regular
basis
is
the
relationship
between
bps
and
the
city
in
general,
and
the
intention
is
that
every
plan
that
we
make
we
incorporate
the
bcyf
community
in
our
in
our
decision
making.
They
are
part
of
the
process
and
we
will
definitely
we're
starting
meetings
and
discussions
with
them
as
well,
so
that
everyone
understand
that
this
is
this:
is
one
community
serving
a
lot
of
the
same
families
and
we
they
are
part
of
the
process.
F
E
E
F
Yes,
we
will
be
working
definitely
with
the
community,
because
it's
one
it's
for
us.
This
is
very
important
to
make
sure
that
that
relationship
is
intact
and
to
make
sure
the
services
are
intact
as
well,
so
the
the
swimming
and
the
that
sports
and
a
number
of
other
you've
mentioned.
We've
already
started
conversations
with
bcyf
and
we
will
continue
building
that
relationship
to
make
sure
that
we're
all
on
the
same
page
and
providing
the
services
we
need
to
provide.
E
A
Thank
you,
council
flynn,
council
ball.
G
And
thanks
so
much
to
the
panel
for
being
here
today
and
I
I
apologize
for
arriving
late,
but
I
did
review
the
presentation.
So
I
wanted
to
ask
a
couple
of
questions
starting
out
with
the
accelerated
repair
program
and
then
I'll
move
to
the
core
program.
So
on
the
arp,
you
guys
filed
a
version
of
this
docket
on
march
9th
for
the
council
passed
and
then
you've
filed
a
resubmitted
docket
and
to
my
reading.
G
The
things
that
have
changed
is
that
the
warren
prescott's
been
removed
all
together,
the
curly,
the
roof
was
removed
and
at
the
henderson
the
boilers
were
removed.
So
I
guess
one
question
is:
am
I
right
in
my
one
to
one
comparison
and
then
what
can
you
give
us
the
story
of
what
happened
there
and
also
because
I
know
that
these
statements
of
interest
have
already
been
submitted
to
the
msba?
Did
we
submit
the
original
one,
or
did
we
submit
the
corrected
one
and
now
you're
sort
of
retroactively?
B
Once
we,
we
did
a
little
more
digging
in
the
school
department,
realized
that
the
for
the
warren
prescott
that
it
did
not
meet
the
criteria
in
terms
of
the
age
the
so
that
was
corrected.
H
B
We
did
is
we
sent
in
a
letter
to
to
the
msba
stating
we
made
these
mistakes.
We've
identified
them
we're,
trying
we're
going
to
correct
them
and
present
to
the
council.
The
mistakes
that
were
made
in
terms
of
the
boiler
was
the
boiler
at
the
henderson
was
done
in
a
previous
arp
project
2018,
as
was
the
curly
that
was
done
in
2019,
I
believe
arp,
so
both
of
them
were
submitted
in
error
as
part
of
the
list,
and
I
think
you
know.
C
I'll
just
add,
as
someone
who
had
a
hand
in
that
error,
the
the
intention
which
my
sincere
apologies
for
not
getting
it
across
correctly,
was
to
rep
for
the
two
that
you
mentioned,
that
besides
the
warren
prescott
was
to
reference
the
recent
msba
projects
that
had
happened
at
those
schools,
but
instead
it
came
across
as
requesting
to
do
those
msba
projects
so
for
the
henderson
we
had
just
done
the
boiler,
and
so
I
wanted
to
reference
we're
asking
for
permission
to
do
the
roof
and
we've
just
done
the
boiler,
but
instead
it
came
across
as
request
to
do
both.
G
Got
it
so
I
guess
I
would
just
say-
and
this
is
something
that
I
expressed
myself
on
in
the
council
meeting
on
the
16th
of
march,
but
you
guys
aren't
in
the
council
meetings
that,
from
my
perspective,
this
error
would
have
been
caught
if
these,
if
the
docket
had
been
submitted,
was
sufficient
time
for
the
council
to
hold
this
hearing
prior
to
the
deadline
for
the
statement
of
interest
and
in
fact,
although
council
hearings
can
often
seem
like
an
irritation
and
a
sort
of
checkbox
thing,
there
actually
is
a
fairly
decent
quality
control
aspect
to
having
to
come
and
talk
about
these
things,
and
I
know
that
it
was
my
frustration
previously
when
I
was
the
chair
of
ways
and
means
that
on
a
number
of
occasions
we
would
only
get
things
from
bps
immediately
before
the
msba
deadlines,
and
I
think
that
you
know
the
obviously,
everyone
in
the
council
is
united
with
the
boston
public
schools
in
wanting
to
get
as
much
state
reimbursement
money
as
we
possibly
can,
but
to
make
every
deadline
of
fire
drill
such
that
there
isn't
the
opportunity
for
appropriate
oversight.
G
G
So
I
don't
know
what
steps
you
guys
are
taking
to
try
to
back
up
your
own
processes
such
that
you're,
giving
this
body
the
appropriate
respect
of
the
amount
of
time
in
advance
that
it
needs
to
review
the
dockets.
I
don't
know
if
anyone
can
speak
to
that.
G
F
Why
don't
we
start
off
by
honestly
apologizing
because
it
is
inappropriate
to
not
give
enough
time
to
make
sure
that
the
city
council
has
the
appropriate
time
to
go
ahead
and
review?
I
do
have
officially
a
year
now
at
bps
and
one
of
the
the
things
that
I've
talked
to
staff
on
a
regular
basis
is
the
importance
of
building
a
relationship
and
making
sure
that
we
start
that
building
of
that
relationship
will
definitely
help
us
create
a
process
in
place
to
be
back
and
forth.
F
F
We
did
have
a
lot
of
conversations
afterwards
with
the
cfo's
office
and
ceo
office,
and
one
of
the
main
things
that
came
up
was.
We
cannot
have
this
happening
to
us
again
and
how
do
we
improve
our
internal
communication
in
order
for
us
to
be
able
to
present
these
things
in
a
timely
manner?
The
only
thing
I
could
do
at
this
time
is
definitely
apologize
again
and
honestly.
We
are
I'm
sorry
for
this
mistake,
but
then
working
very
hard
in
improving
our
processes
internally,
so
that
we're
able
to
do
this
the
right
way.
G
Yeah
no-
and
I
appreciate
that
and
I
think
like
yeah,
it's
just
a
question
of
backing
out.
I
think
if
what
everyone
has
circled
on
their
calendars
or
the
msba
deadlines,
then
we're
always
going
to
get
this
squish
right.
So
I
think
trying
to
be
mindful
of
oh
actually.
We
need
some
padding
because
I
mean
similarly
right.
This
hearing
is,
is
I
mean?
Fortunately,
the
chair
managed
to
fit
it
in,
but
it's
really
happening
like
right
when
it
has
to,
because
there
aren't,
because
our
last
council
meeting
before
the
29th
is
the
27th
right.
G
So
it's
just.
It
would
be
good
to
have
a
little
more
breathing
room
so
that
we
can
consider
this
properly.
I
Under
chief
irish,
I
just
want
to
add
to
what
indie
said
that
you
know
my
position
is
new.
I
started
a
couple
weeks
ago
and
I'm
really
looking
forward
to
working
in
very
close
collaboration
with
bps
operations
and
finance
and
with
kerry
at
pfd.
I
think
we're
on
our
way
in
the
next
year
to
working
much
more
closely
together
having
better
lines
of
communication
in
all
directions,
to
address
exactly
the
issue
that
you've
raised.
G
G
Now
there
you're
welcome
so,
and
then
I
wondered
if
you
guys
could
speak
to
you
know,
a
thing
that
we've
always
been
mindful
of
on
the
accelerated
repair
program
is
the
fact
that
when
we
invest
the
state
money
in
it
means
that
we
really
need
to
continue
using
the
buildings
for
20
years
as
schools,
and
so
we
wouldn't
want
to,
for
instance,
be
putting
arp
money
into
a
building
like
the
blackstone
which,
as
you
were
discussing
with
my
colleague,
the
intention
is
to
replace.
G
So
I
just
wonder-
and
I
always
have
this
like
hesitation
and
concern
that
you
know
it's
my
view,
and
I
know
the
people
sitting
in
this
room
intend
to
change
this,
but
that,
like
real
long-range
capital
planning,
has
not
been
a
strength
of
the
boston
public
schools,
and
so
it
worries
me
that
we
might,
you
know,
be
putting
money
into
buildings
that
when
we
then
get
around
to
looking
at
them
a
couple
of
years
later,
we're
like
oh
psych.
G
Actually,
we
want
to,
you,
know,
replace
this
building
altogether
and
then
we're
gonna
find
that
a
lot
of
the
financial
benefit
to
using
the
state
money
goes
up
in
smoke.
So
I
just
wonder
if
you
guys
could
speak
to
me
about
when
we're
talking
about
the
haley,
the
curly,
the
burke,
the
henderson,
the
oarenberger
and
the
english,
our
sort
of
confidence
that
those
are
not
buildings
that
we're
replacing
in
that
20-year
period.
G
F
D
Hi
brian
ford,
executive,
director
of
the
facilities
department,
so
I
just
want
to
add
a
few
of
the
schools
here.
We
are
actually
making
ongoing
maintenance
and
improvement
items
in
here,
they're,
not
capital
related,
so
the
curley
has
a
very
sensitive
community,
and
so
we
continue
to
provide
additional
classrooms
that
suit
the
ieps
in
the
building.
English
high
school
right
now
is
going
through
an
expansion
project
where
we're
going
to
add
in
additional
classrooms
so
that
they
can
expand
into
more
grade
levels
and
there's
even
talks
around
more
improvements
around
their
sports
facilities
as
well.
G
Okay,
and
in
terms
of
I
mean
I,
I
think,
there's
probably
like
a
gut
instinct
thing
where
people
might
ask:
why
do
we
not
have
more
windows
projects
just
because
windows
and
bps
windows
in
general
became
such
a
focus
of
our
ventilation
challenges
in
the
last
two
years?
I
don't
know
if
anybody
can
speak
to
that,
since
I
think
it's
just
english
that
we're
proposing
a
windows
project
at.
F
G
No
it's
like,
so
if
arp
can
do
three
types
of
things:
boilers,
roofs
and
windows,
you
know
there's
some
world
in
which
it
wouldn't
be
a
crazy
thought.
Why?
Why
not
propose
six
windows
projects
like
from
the
perspective
of
kind
of
how
crucial
windows
ended
up
being
right?
So
I'm
just
curious
if,
like
what
kind
of
drives
the
selection
of
boilers
versus
roofs
versus
windows,.
C
For
us,
boilers
are
in
some
ways
a
sort
of
msba
easy,
easier
win.
It's
something
that
fits
very
clearly
into
their
mandate
and
guidance,
something
we
know.
We've
gotten
a
lot
of
approval
on
before
and
something
where,
in
the
case
of
the
boilers
that
are
before
you,
we
have
a
really
good
case
for
replacement,
shall
we
say,
and
then
I
think,
for
roofs.
C
You
know
it's
a
very
expensive
project,
but
we
can
also
see
potential
overlap
with
other
city
initiatives.
So
if
a
school
building
has
a
new
roof,
then
you
can
start
to
think
more
about
solar
panels
and
some
of
the
other
things
that
we're
thinking
about
for
our
buildings.
I
think
windows
and
air
quality
has
been
something
that
we've
been
investing
a
lot
of
money
in
through
our
traditional
capital
and
also
through
esser
dollars,
and
so
I
think,
that's
sort
of
the
priority
that
you're
seeing
reflected
here
today.
G
And
then
on
the
core
program,
I
I
feel
as
though
we
ought
to
address
in
this
hearing
what
it
is
that
we
think
caused
us
not
to
get
the
horus
man
approved
for
because
that
was
obviously
our
core
program
sort
of
bid
last
year,
and
I
know
that
in
the
article
I
read
in
the
globe,
it
indicated
that,
like
you
know,
one
one
comment
made
was
oh
well,
we
didn't
say
it
was
utmost
priority.
We
sort
of
put
it
at
the
second
level
of
priority
or
something.
G
But
I
just
wonder
if
you
could
speak
to
us
because,
obviously,
like
again
with
the
paris
and
the
otis,
we
would
hope
to
have
our
proposal.
Succeed.
We've
been
really
fortunate.
I'm
very
pleased
in
my
district
that
you
know
baa
is
on
track
to
open
in
september
and
obviously
there's
a
huge
amount
of
state
money.
That's
gone
into
that
and
it
just
it
is.
You
know.
Obviously,
we
just
can't
fit
as
many
of
these
school
projects
and
if
we
don't
get
the
state
core
program
support
in
terms
of
our
capital
capacity.
G
C
Think
in
the
in
the
case
of
the
blackstone,
we're
sorry,
which
is
our
first
primary.
H
C
As
we
were
doing
the
review
of
so
the
they're
sorry
for
the
confusing
language
I
have
to
use
here,
but
the
msba
has
two
different
priority.
Things.
First
is
your
priority
project,
which
is
the
blackstone
and
the
second
is,
then
they
have
a
series
of
listed
priorities
that
you
are
applying
under
and,
as
we
looked
at
the
blackstone
school,
we
found
that
there
were
a
number
of
priorities
that
they
fit
under
overcrowding,
building
conditions
and
such
and
sort
of
modernization
of
facility.
C
So
we're
at
we
are
applying
under
multiple
priorities,
which
is
allowed
through
the
msba
and
really
ensuring
that
we're
able
to
clearly
document
how
that
school
community
would
benefit
from
and
is
really
eligible
for
this
full
investment
and
we're
excited
to
partner
with
this
body
and
with
the
mayor's
office
and
others
in
doing
the
advocacy
through
the
msba
process,
through
their
board
meetings
and
such
when
we
have
the
opportunity
to
share
why
this
is
such
an
important
project
for
boston.
G
That
category
replacement
or
renovation
of
a
building
which
is
structurally
unsound
or
otherwise
in
a
condition
seriously
jeopardizing
the
health
and
safety
of
school
children,
which
I
think
is
like
the
that's
that
right
like
and
but
I
guess
I
think,
we've
got
folks
wondering
since
obviously
we
had
to
close
the
jackson
man
as
a
physical
facility,
why
we
weren't
able
to
check
that
box
for
them
and
instead
sort
of
checked
a
modernizing
the
facility
box.
For
that
one.
B
Which
you
know
on
a
list
of
priorities-
that's
not
seen
as
a
high
priority
again
without
speaking
for
other
agencies,
but
one
would
be
obviously,
as
you
just
stated,
the
due
to
the
bill,
the
building
condition.
B
Yeah,
I
think
in
general
it
was
because
it's
I
think
that
probably
needs
a
campus
solution,
because
there
also
is,
even
if
we
were
to
get
money
for
the
far
harassment
of
that
program.
It
gets
convoluted
because
you
have
the
community
center
and
you
also
have
the
jackson
man.
So
I
think,
because,
with
the
way
the
the
priority
listing
didn't
mean
that
but.
G
Then
would
you
say
that,
knowing
what
we
know
now,
we
should
not
have
submitted
the
horace
mann
in
the
way
that
we
did
to
maximize
its
chances
of
being
because
obviously
we
also
therefore
forget
for
went
there's
both
a
question
of.
Could
we
have
framed
it
better
to
get
the
horace
mann
approved
and
there's
the
question
of
if
we
couldn't
have
should
we
have
proposed
a
different
core
facility
like
I'm
just
trying
to
think
about
you
guys?
G
A
You,
council
block,
please
answer
and
then
we'll
move
on.
If
we
can
do
a
second
round
of
some
questions
and
then
we
can
get
back
to
counselor
bach,
if
she.
B
Has
more
questions?
I
just
would
say
that
I
agree
constantly
that
it
was.
It
should
not
have
been
submitted
in
my
opinion,
and
I
think
it's
a
learning
opportunity
for
how
we
submit
further.
A
Okay,
thank
you.
Sarah
can
we
can
we
take
a
step
back
a
little
bit
and
just
can
you
please
explain
the
selection
process.
How
do
you
in
terms
of
priorities
what's
what's
a
priority?
What's
not
a
priority,
let's
define
that
for
those
at
home
or
just
so
that
we're
in
full
understanding
how
this.
C
C
Oh
sorry,
thank
you.
The
map
mspa
is
the
massachusetts
school
building
authority.
It's
a
it's
a
statewide
agency
that
works
with
cities
and
towns
across
the
commonwealth
to
a
variety
of
school
building
projects.
C
So
the
mspa
runs
an
annual
submission
process.
The
last
couple
of
years
were
slightly
disrupted
by
covid,
but
this
year
they
opened
their
statement
of
interest
process
in
late
january.
C
So
it's
a
sort
of
window
where
you're
allowed
to
submit
starting
in
late
january.
The
deadline
for
the
accelerated
repair
program
is
at
the
end
of
march
and
then
the
deadline
for
the
core
program
is
at
the.
A
C
So
we
are,
I
will
in
a
moment
turn
it
over
to
my
colleague
to
talk
about
the
facilities,
condition
assessment,
that's
ongoing,
but
we
currently
have
a
sort
of
listing
or
understanding
of
the
conditions
of
our
current
buildings
and
the
age.
Our
best
understanding
of
the
age
in
which
each
system
was
last
updated.
C
That
we
look
at
that
information
combined
with
the
opportunity
index,
which
is
a
bps
generated
index
of
school
community,
need
based
on
a
variety
of
factors
about
the
students
and
the
neighborhoods
that
send
students
to
the
school.
That's
impacted
to
look
at
the
sort
of
overall
need
of
the
building
and
priority
for
whatever
either
repair
or
replacement
or
other
things
for
a
accelerated
repair
project.
C
A
Black
mentioned
this,
but
I
didn't
really
hear
the
answer
to
it.
If
you're,
if
you
know
that
your
selection
process
is
ongoing,
you
know
the
schools,
you
have
the
inventory,
then
you
know
where
things
are.
You
must
have
some
sort
of
monitoring
system
where
you
know
that
things
are
coming
up
where
what
is
the
possibility
or
probability
of
you
thinking
about
a
long-term
capital
plan.
F
We
have
the
it
took
us
a
several
months
to
do
this,
because
there
wasn't
really
one
place
in
bps,
where
we
could
actually
find
where
these
things
lie,
and
what
the
other
thing
that
we
did
is
that
we
decided
to
hire
all
the
necessary
key
people
who,
whether
they're
engineers,
or
what
have
you
to
make
sure
that
we're
able
to
have
a
list
that
makes
sense,
but
other
than
that.
The
industry
standard
is
to
have
a
facilities,
condition
assessment,
something
that
bps
did
not
have.
F
It
hasn't
had
one
ever
and
we
just
we
put
on
our
fee
and
they
said
we
got
a
vendor
to
start
the
process
where
that
render
is
going
to
come
into
every
single
one
of
our
buildings
and
do
an
assessment
from
the
boiler
to
the
roof.
The
walls,
the
the
size
of
the
rooms
and
how
we're
using
those
spaces
on
a
regular
basis,
it
does
take
about
12
to
18
months,
to
give
us
a
real
full
assessment
that
we
have
not
had
you've
contracted.
F
D
Afternoon,
so
actually
this
morning
they
are
in
schools
right
now,
starting
which
is
an
update
as
of
just
very
much
today,.
F
That's
one
of
one
of
the
things
I
was
going
to
do
is
you
know
my
colleague
was
explaining.
This
is
something
that
we
are
thinking
overall
in
terms
of
what
exactly
do
we
have
for
our
buildings
and
the
conditions
of
them
and
who's
out
there?
What
is
the
industry
standard,
but
the
other
thing
that
we're
taking
very
seriously
is
our
relationship
with
the
city
ceo's
office
at
pfd,
and
we
work
together
as
one
team
to
do
this.
A
F
Part
of
the
the
relationship
is
going
ahead
and
working
with
our
rgr
igr
team,
and
one
of
them
were
in
here
a
couple
of
minutes
ago
and
making
sure
that
that
information
is
passed
on
to
the
council.
But
I
do
welcome
any
input
and
how
we
can
do
this
better
counselor.
But
at
this
time
it's
one
of
the
things
that
I
do
depend
highly
on
the
igr
team
that
we
have
at
bps
to
make
sure
that
we're
touching
all
the
different
bases
and
having
meetings
on
a
constant
basis
with
our
with
our
partners.
F
D
That
we
can
create
more
transparency.
I
did
want
to
add
some
information
just
for
perspective
on
the
whole
msba
process,
as
we
get
to
some
of
the
guidelines
on
the
process
where
there's
age
requirements
for
windows
or
boilers
or
roofs
a
lot
of
the
time.
The
time
for
submission
puts
us
at
reviewing
an
out
of
date,
piece
of
the
building
that
could
be
needing
assistance
right
away.
D
D
It's
something
we've
got
to
act
on
to
make
sure
students
have
heat
and,
in
addition
to
that,
gathering
all
the
information
of
the
older
windows
of
the
older
boilers
and
roofs
that
wasn't
documented
the
best
in
the
in
the
past,
as
we
get
all
these
msba
submissions
ready
and
continue
to
work
on
this
ever
evolving
situation,
which
is
where
the
fca
gives
us
this
index
to
work
with.
That
is
up
to
date
and
helps
us
form
a
better
plan
overall.
A
Sounds
like
you've
started
that
process,
and
hopefully
it's
going
to
inform
moving
forward
right
to
prevent
these
last
minute,
and
I
I
don't
want
you
to
be
embarrassed.
I
thank
you
for
your
graciousness
in
apologizing.
Council
bloc
is
absolutely
correct.
A
lot
of
counselors
did
express
similar
sentiments
about
the
late
filing.
A
B
If
we
get
accepted
into
the
msba
program,
this
is
more
on
the
core
side.
We
will.
We
have
a
robust
community
process
and
that's
with
the
school
community,
the
local
community
anyone's
invited,
but
we
do
a
lot
of
outreach
with
our
partners
at
nos
and
igr,
and
to
that's
very
much
a
staple
of
how
we
conduct
pretty
much
all
of
our
projects,
whether
it's
a
study
or
a
feasibility
study
or
it's
an
actual
design
project.
B
As
part
of
that,
we'll
do
some
sighting
and
there
the
the
facilities
assessment
will
help
complement
that,
because,
if
it,
if
it
ends
up
being
that
you
know
we're
going
to
spend
x
amount
of
dollars
on
renovating
a
building,
it
might
be
more
fiscally
responsible
to
demo
the
building.
So
you
know,
I
think,
over
the
last
six
months
we've
been
working
very
hard
to
improve
communication
and
the
relationship
with
all
partners
and
stakeholders
so
and.
A
Families
and
families.
Thank
you.
Thank
you
I'll.
Just
ask
one
more
question.
I
do
have
more,
but
I'm
quite
sure
my
counselor
and
my
colleagues
have
some
as
well.
So
what
is
the
timeline
for
each
project
that
you
have
here.
B
B
I
think
it's
220
days
is
what
they
say
might
be
a
little
more
than
that,
because
I
mean
if
they
have
over
350
districts
that
apply
to
this
program
school
districts,
so
they
have
to
go
through
and
look
at
all
of
them,
and
you
know
I
don't
know
how
many
projects
where
they
they
received
this
year
for
the
arp,
but
it
or
the
core
so
yeah.
Well
it
takes
about.
It,
takes
about
nine
to
12
months
longer
to
do
this
type
of
process.
A
Okay,
thank
you
I'll
now
turn
to
my
council
colleagues.
If
they
have
any
further
questions.
E
E
Critical
school
does
tremendous
work
in
our
neighborhood,
and
I
know
the
otis
does
as
well,
so
I
certainly
support
both
the
blackstone
and
otis
and
the
other.
The
other
projects
as
well-
and
I
think
it's
a
this
reimbursement
from
the
state
mass
school
building-
is
a
tremendous
opportunity.
I'm
glad
we're
participating
in
it.
So
I
just
want
to
say
thank
you
for
the
team,
that's
working
here
and
working
with
with
us.
Thank
you,
madam
chair.
G
Just
yeah
I
wanted
to
ask
if-
and
this
is
a
repeat
question
from
past
hearings
on
this-
I
don't
think
well,
carlton's,
obviously
not
with
us
today,
but
if
you
were,
he
would
be
expecting
this
question
from
me,
which
is
that
it's
long
struck
me
that
with
the
arp
program,
because
it's
kind
of
the
same
type
of
project
over
and
over
again
right,
it's
like
roofs
and
windows
and
boilers,
and
we
all
know-
maybe
our
facility
is
structured
here.
G
Most
of
all
that
we
have
like
roofs,
windows
and
boilers
till
kingdom
come
in
bps
right
which
need
replacing
and
repairing,
and
so
I
find
myself
wondering
you
know
when
we
talk
about
the
persistently
low
you
know:
contract
ratios
that
go
to
firms
owned
by
people
of
color
in
the
city
of
boston.
G
It's
always
struck
me
that
this
just
it
feels
like
a
place
where
the
city
could
potentially
partner
with
some
firms
to
really
drive
a
pipeline,
because
I
think,
like
we
all
kind
of
know,
that
giant
school
building
projects
are
likely
to
go
to
like
one
of
the
like
largest
and
most
sophisticated
building
contractors
in
town,
just
because
the
nature
of
those
projects
is
like
there's
a
million
different
things
that
change,
and
only
so
many
people
have
all
the
subs
and
competencies
and
whatever
to
compete
for
those
contracts.
G
But
it
feels
like
we
could
have
a
great
like
school
window
replacer.
You
know
in
roxbury
I
mean
I
know
specifically
the
windows.
We
then
send
away
for
someone
else
to
make
them
far
far
away.
It
also
feels
like
we
could
have
a
flipping
window
factory,
but,
but
I
just
it
seems
to
me
like
a
place
as
we
look
at
procurement
strategies
and
kind
of
how
the
city
can
be
proactive
about
creating
an
ecosystem
which
we
can
then
contract
with
like
this.
G
Is
this
super
predictable
stream,
where
we
know
we're
going
to
keep
doing
capital
projects
in
these
three
categories
and
getting
some
state
support?
And
it
just
feels
like
we
could
do
something
more
proactive
than
we
have
done
to
date
on
this.
So
I
would
love
to
hear
your
guys's
thoughts
or
whether
there's
any
sort
of
work
about
aligning
the
procurement
strategy
in
this
way
on
this
front,
because
it
still
feels
to
me
like
we
haven't,
really
figured
this
piece
out
so.
B
So
one
of
the
things
that
we
did
early
on
with
the
supply
diversity
team
was
when
they
certified
a
business
to
also
look
out,
look
and
separate,
make
sure
they're
dcam
certified,
because
I
feel
like
that's.
The
struggle
is
getting
that
certification
there's
also.
We
require
100
performance
and
payment
bond
on
all
of
our
projects,
so
I
think
some
of
the
smaller
companies
I
had
those
those
and
and
with
talking
with
them,
that's
the
challenge.
B
So
finding
a
pathway
for
opportunity
is
something
that
myself
and
the
supplied
of
our
diversity
team
are
working
on.
Because
of
the
you
know.
We
we
actually
just
put
out
a
pilot
program
with
for
the
court
street
renovation,
which
is
a
large
construction
project,
and
you
know
because
we
fought,
we
have
to
follow
the
statute,
which
is
149
for
these
arp
and
windows
would
be
a
cl
they're
classified
as
a
file
sub-bid
under
the
statute.
B
So
in
the
statute,
the
filed
sub
law
does
not
allow
for
a
joint
venture,
so
if
someone
wanted
to,
if
they
have
to
use
the
forces
within
with
who
they
contract
with
so
whoever
bids,
the
work
has
to
be
has
to
do
the
work
they
couldn't
with.
We
have
a
little
more
flexibility
with
some
other,
like
with
the
larger
gcs
to
do
a
joint
venture,
and
some
in
some
firms
are
doing
that
cm
firms
are
doing
that
now,
but
with
filed
subject
bid
work,
which
is
the
bulk
of
the
works.
B
You
know,
if
there's,
if
you
have
like
chapter,
the
general
conditions,
is
what
the
gc
or
the
cm
has
and
that's
minimal,
compared
to
what
the
filed
subpage
trades
have.
So
if
you
had
a
project,
that's
worked.
67
million
out
of
that
67,
typically
60
of
it
would
be
file
sub
bid,
trade
work,
seven
would
be
the
gc
and
what
they
can
bid
without
having
to
go
through
the
149
filed
subits
statute.
B
So
there
are
a
lot
of
challenges
to
to
that,
but
we
are
working
on
looking
for
some
pathways
for
opportunities
and
not
just
recently,
we've
been
meeting
with
them
for
10
months.
G
Yeah,
no,
I
understand-
and
I
was
at
the
housing
authority
before
this,
so
I
do
understand
that
sort
of
distinction
and
the
challenges
we
have
like
and
there's
not
a
lot
of
wiggle
room
with
filed
sub
bids.
I
guess
what
it
means,
though,
is
sort
of
like
that.
We
would
need
to
do
the
thing
itself
like
it
would
be
great
if
we
just
if
we
just
could
as
a
city
support,
for
instance,
like
the
emergence
of
a
really
excellent
black-owned
roof
replacement
group
in
boston
right.
G
That
could
compete
on
the
filed,
sub-bid
level
and
you
know
and
and
could
meet
all
of
our
requirements,
and
I
just
feel
like
we,
it
feels
hard,
but
it
actually
feels
like
easier
to
me
than
some
of
these
more
like
multi-partner
projects
like
yes,
you
can
joint
venture
them,
but
the
actual
amount
of
the
capital
and
the
work
that
in
the
joint
ventures,
then
going
into
say.
The
black
community
is
not
that
large
necessarily,
but
it
just
feels
like
we
know.
D
Just
add
to
that
situation
in
our
procurement
process,
when
we
do
have
bidders
come
in,
we
are,
we
do
equitably,
require
them
to
have
a
dispersion
of
staff
based
upon
diversity.
So
that
is
something
that
is
addressed
somewhat
in
the
procurement
process.
But
again
to
your
point,
not
as
much
and
just
in
addition
to
that,
the
works
on
the
work
on
roof
boilers
and
windows.
D
It
actually
never
stops,
and
even
though
we
wait
for
these
giant
submissions
to
the
msba
and
other
irp
projects,
the
ongoing
work
is
we're
most
likely
replacing
the
boiler
today
right
and
we're
making
patches
on
roofs
because
it
rained
yesterday
or
rained
in
the
evening.
So
the
work
is
still
ongoing
every
day
as
well.
G
Great
well,
thank
you
so
much
and
thank
you
really.
I
mean
I,
I
think
the
bps
capital
plan
is
so
important
and
I
really
appreciate
you
guys
all
working
on
it
and
I
appreciate
the
sort
of
the
effort
to
try
to
knit
the
city
and
bps
planning
on
this
front
more
closely
together.
G
I
think
that's
really
important
to
succeeding
and-
and
I
would
just
ask
that
that
you
keep
the
council
in
that
loop
as
the
as
the
chair
alluded,
because,
ultimately,
it's
like
it's
us
who
have
to
vote
to
indebt
the
city,
it's
the
same
vote,
whether
it's
a
bps
thing
or
a
you
know,
city
hall,
side
thing
and-
and
I
just
think
this
is
a
you
know-
getting
this
capital
plan
right
and
making
sure
that
we're
in
the
position
to
as
aggressively
as
possible
use
the
msba
opportunities,
whether
your
time
at
arp
and
core
is
just
really
really
important.
G
So
please
just
take
take
my
take
my
questions
as
an
indication
of
how
important
I
think
the
work
that
you
do
is
so.
Thank
you,
madam
chair.
Thank.
A
You,
council
block,
you
literally
took
my
last
question,
but
I
did
want
to
hear
about
the
demographics.
Do
you
have
a
requirement?
Do
you
have
some
sort
of
metric
of
what
you
hire
or
what
you
look
for?
A
D
I
don't
actually
have
the
information
in
front
of
me
now,
but
there
is
a
percentage
required
of
the
vendors
that
we
use
to
have
local
residents,
my
residents
of
color
and
living
in
different
areas
as
well.
So
I
can't
really
elaborate
on
that
right
now.
I'd
have
to
get
more
information
and
get
back
to
you.
A
Okay,
good
enough,
I
think
the
last
emphasis
that
I
want
to
make
is
on
the
community
engagement
or
family
engagement.
This
is
a
huge
change
and
even
a
small
transitional
change
like
this
can
cause
disruption,
especially
with
children
that
are
challenged
or
have
difficulty
with
transition.
A
Then
parents
need
to
know
how
to
prepare
for
that
as
well-
and
I
didn't
hear
a
lot
about
that
today,
and
I
know
that
we're
here
specifically
on
approving
a
thing
but
would
love
to
see
more
of
what.
What
does
that
look
like
in
terms
of
how
do
you
prepare
families
to
move
from
one
building
to
another?
So
it's
not
just
the
children
going
from
his
his
the
new
address,
but
how
are
we
actually
preparing
them
so
that
there's
that
home
school
connection
and
understanding
of
how
preparing
children.
F
I
I
think
that
the
presentation
that
we
were
planning
on
doing
for
may
31st
will
definitely
have
those
details
in
that
counselor,
so
that
we
are
able
to
make
sure
that
we
give
you
the
the
detailed
information
as
to
how
that
happens,
how
we
communicate
and
how
do
we
work
with
our
family
and
community
engagement
team
in
terms
of
how
that
process
happens?
It's
not.
F
We
are
doing
a
lot
of
communication,
a
lot
of
letters,
a
lot
of
meetings
and
want
to
make
sure
that
the
presentation
and
the
information
I
give
you
is
the
accurate
one.
So
I'm
hoping
that
on
the
31st,
we
have
a
good
amount
of
information
that
will
present
to
the
council,
and
you
guys
will
be,
I
hope,
be
satisfied
with
what
we
have
to
present
to
you.
A
All
right
well
we'll
be
seeing
much
of
each
other
in
the
next
few
weeks
or
a
week,
or
thank
you
so
much
for
your
presentation
and
responses.
If
there,
if
we
have
no
further
questions,
is
there
anyone?
No,
we
have
no
one
waiting
for
public
testimony.