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From YouTube: Disability Commission Advisory Board Meeting 12/21/2022
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Disability Commission 12/21/2022.
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Good
evening,
the
open
meeting
law
requires
that
I
notify
the
public
that
this
meeting
is
recorded.
Therefore,
Please
be
aware
that
an
audio
and
visual
recording
of
this
meeting
is
being
made
by
Boston
City
TV,
a
part
of
the
city
of
Boston
office
of
cable
communications
and
is
being
broadcast
on
Xfinity
channel
24,
RCN,
channel
13
and
FiOS
channel
962..
With
that
we'll
turn
it
over
to
our
board.
Chair,
Wesley
Ireland.
B
C
Sure
my
name
is
Olivia
Richard
I
am
a
member
of
the
board
and
I
live
in
Brighton.
E
B
Now
I'd
like
thank
you
very
much
Carl,
so
go
ahead.
Charlie.
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Hi,
this
is
Elizabeth
deanflower
I
apologize
for
the
poor,
audio
quality
at
the
mom
and
I'm
I'm.
On
my
way,
home
I
live
in
Copley
Square
area
in
Back,
Bay,
I'm,
a
board
member
and
I
use
a
wheelchair.
Thank
you.
I
B
B
Also
Angry
do
we
have
a
quorum.
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Yes,
this
is
Andrea.
We
have
a
quorum
with
the
seven
individuals
who
have
identified
themselves
if
206
area
code
is
also
a
member,
then
we're
plus
one.
But
if
it's
a
member
of
the
public
we're
still
good,
we
have
seven.
A
I
B
Thank
you,
okay,
so
all
in
favor,
aye.
D
B
Okay,
I'd
like
to
recognize
Alex
Fisher
I'd
like
to
have
Alice,
go
ahead
and
introduce
herself
thanks.
B
J
Okay,
so
Alice
Fisher
I
live
in
the
South
End
of
Boston.
My
disability
is
a
one
of
Mobility
from
birth
and
at
various
times
in
my
life,
I've
been
quite
involved
in
in
disability.
Movements,
including
we
were
I,
was
one
of
the
founding
members
of
the
project
on
women
in
disability,
which
was
a
a
feminist
disability.
J
J
And
and
the
other
thing
that
I'm
working
on
is
I'm
I'm,
a
community
activist,
so
I
I
do
things
and
the
other
thing
that
I've
been
working
on
for
about
a
about
15
years
and
it's
kind
of
coming
to
fruition.
Now
is
a
virtual
Senior
Center
for
lgbtq
a
elders,
and
by
now
we've
started
raising
some
substantial
money
from
a
couple
of
foundations
and
where
kind
of
moving
along
our
our
name
on
that
project
is
named
outstanding
life.
J
B
Thank
you
so
much
Alice
I
apologize
for
the
miscommunication
before
I
wanted
to
have
you
introduce
yourself
briefly
before
we
moved
ahead
with
the
move,
accepting
of
the
minutes
Etc,
but
I
think
that
we've
already
begun
to
cover
some
part
of
the
agenda,
but
I
think
that
that's
okay,
that
you
have
the
opportunity
now
to
introduce
yourself
and
now
we
will
move
on
to
the
next
items
on
the
agenda.
What
I
would
like
to
do
is
actually
want
to
recognize
Lauren.
K
Great,
thank
you.
So
much
I
really
appreciate
the
opportunity
to
speak
with
you
all
and
one
of
our
staff
Kat
Sparks.
She
just
joined
as
well
she's,
going
to
be
feeling
questions
and
jumping
in
to
help.
You
guys
have
a
more
robust,
complete
understanding
of
our
program.
She
is
one
of
the
clinicians
that
works
on
our
team
and
then
can't
remember
who
lived
where,
but
she
works
out
of
the
police
station
in
Brighton.
So
she
covers
part
of
the
district,
that's
represented
in
the
board
here.
K
K
So
I'm,
just
in
trying
to
think
of
how
to
frame
this,
for
you
most
helpfully
this
idea
that
that
we
should
be
as
Behavioral
Health
Providers
partnering
with
the
police
so
that
they
can
have
the
best
response
when
Behavioral
Health
emergencies
arise
in
the
city.
K
We've
been
doing
this
work
for
several
years
and
it
really
truly
is
a
partnership.
We
work
very
collaboratively.
We
have
a
standalone
program
that
dispatches
clinicians
to
behavioral
health
crises
in
the
community
that
don't
come
in
through
the
9-1-1
system
and
I.
Think
people
from
our
program
have
come
and
shared
that
with
you
in
the
past
about
the
best
team,
where
our
mobile
crisis
service
for
psychiatric
emergencies,
but
because
the
police
are
called
so
often
when
people
aren't
sure
where
else
to
call
many
times
calls
for
Behavioral.
K
Health
emergencies
come
in
through
9-1-1
and
so
I
thought
that
you
all
might
have
interest
in
learning
more
about
how
this
partnership
Works
Chris
marowski
joins
us
monthly
for
a
meeting
with
our
staff
to
talk
about
the
integration
of
our
clinicians
within
the
police
department
and
is
a
really
helpful
and
valued
partner,
and
so
I
think
he
has
done
a
good
job
of
helping
me
understand
what
would
be
helpful
in
an
overview
but
I
look
forward
to
having
you
all
jump
in
with
questions
or
hopefully,
at
the
end,
we'll
have
a
little
bit
of
time
to
discuss
that
discuss
any
issues
that
might
arise.
K
So,
for
many
reasons
you
know,
police
are
encountering
people
with
behavioral
health
issues,
and
so
you
know
by
behavioral
health
issues
I'm,
including
emergencies
related
to
substance
use
disorder
as
well
as
mental
health
crises.
The
police,
the
police
terminology
for
people
in
a
mental
health
crisis,
is
emotionally
disturbed
person.
So
if
you
hear
cat
or
I
refer
to
these
calls
as
an
EDP
call,
this
is
the
police
lingo
that
we
kind
of
end
up
adopting
working
in
their
environment
for
so
long.
K
So
you
know
for
lots
of
different
reasons
that
the
police
get
called
to
these
kinds
of
scenes,
sometimes
by
passers-by,
who
don't
know
an
individual
that
appears
to
be
in
crisis
at
all
and
then
sometimes
from
family
members
who
are
worried
about
the
well-being
of
their
loved.
One
statistics
at
a
national
level
say
that
about
10
to
20
percent
of
police
calls
are
have
some
kind
of
behavioral
health
component.
K
But
if
you
surfing
about
some
police
officers,
their
experience
of
this
work
is
that
a
much
greater
proportion
of
calls
has
some
kind
of
behavioral
health
component.
So
this
coding
that
happens
at
the
beginning,
when
someone
calls
9-1-1
and
describes
what
the
emergency
is
10
to
20
percent
of
the
people
calling
in
identify
the
call
as
having
a
behavioral
health
component.
But
many
more
times,
officers
respond
to
calls
that
come
in
with
some
other
classification
and
then
determine
that
there
is
a
mental
health
or
Behavioral
Health
need
involved
with
that
call.
K
So
perhaps
somebody
has
reported
a
robbery
and
then
officers
go
out
and
realize
that
there
is
additionally
or
instead
of
the
reported
need
of
the
caller
more
of
a
behavioral
health
component,
so
that
10
to
20
percent
is
a
very
low
estimate.
K
K
So
some
calls
that
don't
seem,
as
volatile
might
have
only
about
some
EMS
dispatched,
so
an
ambulance
would
go,
but
no
police
presence,
but
in
2021
over
4
000
calls
were
volatile
enough
that
both
police
and
DMS
were
required
to
respond
in
that
same
year,
the
Boston
Emergency
Services
team.
So
our
mobile
crisis
psychiatric
service
that
goes
out
without
police.
K
K
But
sometimes
you
know,
both
things
are
happening
at
the
same
time
where
somebody
is
in
a
mental
health
crisis
and
there
is
some
sort
of
alleged
criminal
conduct
and
so
where
there
is
a
tool
for
officers,
so
they
can
exercise
this
discretion
very
thoughtfully.
But
gel
diversion
is
not
always
an
option.
Much
of
the
time
I
would
say
in
Boston.
In
my
experience
and
in
the
majority
of
our
clinicians
experience,
we're
not
really
the
ones
introducing
the
idea
of
diverting
people
coming
in
contact
with
the
police
to
treatment.
K
If
that
makes
sense,
so
officers
have
been
pretty
well
accustomed
to
being
able
to
make
some
determine
preliminary
determinations
of
when
somebody's
mental
health
or
substance
use
needs
are
greater
than
those
in
terms
of
Public,
Safety
and
historically.
K
The
ways
that
officers
tend
to
interact
with
people
in
crisis
is
to
utilize
the
emergency
department.
So
what
we
find
is
that,
without
our
intervention,
officers
are
very
likely
to
over
utilize
Boston
EMS
and
have
individuals
transported
to
the
emergency
department,
and
we,
as
a
crisis
service,
tend
to
only
utilize
the
emergency
department
for
individuals
who
are
likely
to
need
to
be
hospitalized.
K
K
You
know
asking
them
to
move
along
or
just
sort
of
addressing
at
a
surface
level.
What's
going
on
with
that
individual,
maybe
that
specific
behavior
that
that
led
to
the
9-1-1
call,
but
not
really
knowing
how
else
to
support
that
individual.
In
other
ways,
so
they
may
just
have
a
very
brief
encounter,
and
then
you
know
leave
that
person
in
place
and
then
there
are
certainly
people
who
sometimes
get
arrested,
because
there
needs
to
be
some
resolution
to
that
police
encounter
and
without
knowing
that
there's
a
larger
menu
of
options.
K
That
option
May
entail
the
arrest
of
a
greater
number
of
people
than
if
we
were
able
to
offer
officers
on
scene
a
greater
scope
of
options
for
how
to
dispose
of
that
police.
Car.
K
So
here
is,
you
know
some
of
the
other
things
that
we
can
offer
when
we
have
a
clinician
with
the
police.
Responding
to
calls
so
part
of
the
mission
of
the
best
team
is
to
reduce
the
over
utilization
of
the
emergency
department.
K
I
often
share
at
this
point
in
the
presentation
that
all
our
lives
as
adults,
we
have
all
probably
ended
up
in
the
emergency
department
for
an
injury
of
some
sort.
That
was
maybe
on
the
fence.
K
Maybe
you
cut
your
finger
slicing,
your
you
know,
Thanksgiving
turkey
and
you're,
not
sure
if
you
need
stitches
and
you
head
to
the
emergency
department
and
have
to
wait
quite
a
long
time
to
be
seen
because
there's
so
many
more
acute
emergencies
that
are
being
prioritized
over
your
kind
of
more
marginal
need
and
when
that
same
kind
of
thinking
is
overlaid
in
a
mental
health
crisis,
it
can
really
create
disincentive
for
people
to
follow
through
on
recommendations
that
they
might
receive
in
an
emergency
department.
If
that
makes
sense.
K
So
if
the
the
initial
contact
with
providers
is
can
be
frustrating
because
it's
filled
with
a
long
wait
in
an
unfamiliar
environment
where
you
know
you're
having
to
wait
your
turn,
even
though
certainly
everyone
feels
that
their
problem
is
urgent.
When
you
go
to
the
emergency
room,
people
sometimes
leave.
K
You
know,
feeling
disenchanted
and
are
somewhat
less
likely
to
then
follow
through
on
referrals
that
might
be
made,
and
so
by
being
alongside
the
clinicians,
we're
able
to
navigate
these
other
options.
So
we
we
threw
the
best
team
have
access
to
call
on-call
center.
That
is
the
phone
numbers
listed
here.
K
1-800-981-H-E-L-P,
that
number
will
get
you
through
to
our
call
center,
where
their
clinicians
Staffing
the
phone
lines
24
7
365
days
a
year,
and
they
can
start
to
triage
a
case
and
make
some
determinations
around.
What
would
be
the
the
most
helpful
response
to
offer
the
caller?
So
we
have
walk-in
urgent
care
locations
where
we
can
see
people
on
site.
We
can
send
people
into
these
locations
by
a
cab
if
they
don't
have
transportation
and
through
that
walk-in
location.
K
We're
able
to
address
a
whole
host
of
psychiatric
needs,
so
we're
able
to
make
referrals
to
outpatient
treatment,
we're
able
to
provide
some
psychiatric
medication
access,
we're
able
to
connect
people
to
peer
supports
with
people
with
lived
experience
of
mental
health
or
substance
use
disorders
or
family
members
who
have
themselves
supported
their
loved
ones
through
struggles
with
mental
health
or
substance
use
issues.
So
all
different
kinds
of
services
can
be
put
into
place
by
utilizing
these
urgent
care
clinics
as
an
alternative
to
the
emergency
department.
K
We
also
like
to
rely
on
our
mobile
crisis
clinicians,
who
arrive
to
people's
homes,
shelters
Etc
without
the
police,
because
we
feel
that
people
are
able
to
better
best
utilize,
their
own
coping
skills.
If
they're,
you
know
able
to
stay
at
home-
and
you
know
be
surrounded
by
things
that
bring
them
Comfort
be
able
to
get
some
support
in
a
familiar
environment
rather
than
that
sterile
environment
that
you'd
find
in
in
the
Hostile
emergency
room.
K
So
as
long
as
it's
safe
to
do
so,
we
regularly
have
clinicians
visiting
people
in
their
home
without
the
police
presence
and
that's
the
bulk
of
how
the
best
team
works.
But
by
calling
our
800
number
and
asking
for
a
clinician
to
come,
see
you
at
home.
Typically,
a
response
is
quoted
as
being
about
an
hour,
sometimes
it's
a
little
better
than
that.
Sometimes
it's
a
little
longer
than
that,
and
so
for
the
police.
K
And
so,
if
we
were
to
ask
a
police
officer
to
wait
on
scene
for
an
hour
for
one
of
our
clinicians
to
arrive
that
wouldn't
be
responsive
enough,
which
is
how
we
developed
our
partnership,
where
we're
embedding
the
clinicians
in
the
police
districts,
another
great
resource
that
we
have
that
helps
us
to
avoid
over
utilization
of
the
emergency
department
and
inpatient
psychiatric
stays
is
that
we
have
access
to
community
crisis
stabilization
beds.
K
But
these
are
unlocked
units
where
we're
able
to
offer
a
short-term
stay
for
individuals
who
are
able
to
partner
with
us
on
our
voluntarily
seeking
support
to
stabilize,
and
then
you
know,
get
back
to
back
home
within
a
short
period
of
time
and
that
they're
able
to
kind
of
make
some
reconnections
to
existing
services
or
get
Bridge
a
brief
period
of
with
being
without
medications.
So
it
is
brief.
It's
not
a
lengthy
stay,
but
sometimes
that
is
the
case
with
lock
psychiatric
units
as
well.
K
So
those
are
a
lot
more
resources
and
the
police
are
typically
trained
to
know
how
to
utilize.
So
we
find
it
particularly
helpful
to
have
clinicians
working
alongside
officers
so
that,
in
the
moment
of
a
police
call
we're
able
to
give
some
feedback
to
officers
around
which
of
those
diversionary
options
might
be
helpful
to
the
person
in
crisis,
and
then
it's
up
to
the
police
officer.
K
So
even
though
you
know,
sometimes
people
are
have
an
association
with
the
police
and
all
kinds
of
involuntary
things
happening
to
them,
because
we
associate
police
with
arrest
through
this
program.
I
think
the
police
are
able
to
help,
can
kind
of
reshape
a
little
bit
of
that.
That
line
of
thinking
about
how
police
can
be
helpful
to
people
who
are
experiencing
Behavioral
Health
crisis.
K
So
our
clinicians,
we
go
with
officers
to
a
wide
variety
of
calls,
some
of
those
that
are
coded
initially
as
emotionally
disturbed
people,
but
then
all
kinds
of
other
calls
really
benefit
from
having
a
clinician
present.
So
we
find
that
we
are
sending
clinicians
up
to
family
trouble.
Calls
domestic
calls
General
disturbance,
intoxicated
persons,
investigate
person
as
kind
of
a
an
investigate
premise
are
very
broad
police
terms.
For
you
know
something
is
going
on.
K
Some
people
are
calling
9-1-1,
but
we
don't
have
a
lot
of
detail,
and
so
sometimes
those
are
people
in
crisis
and
so
having
clinicians
available
can
be
helpful
and
general
afraid.
Also
kind
of
a
general
call
that
we
find
oftentimes
is
actually
a
behavioral
health
need.
K
We
find
that
by
having
clinicians
there
with
the
police,
not
only
are
we
better
serving
the
needs
of
the
public,
but
we're
also
able
to
introduce
people
to
other
Alternatives
than
calling
9-1-1
so
part
of
what
we
do
when
we're
going
out
and
interacting
with
people
in
the
community
is
informing
people
in
the
community
about
the
best
team
and
that
we
have
a
24
7
number
and
that
9-1-1
is
not
the
only
option
to
call
if
somebody's
in
need
of
some
behavioral
health
support.
So
that's
really
helpful.
K
So
we
can
free
up
First
Responders
to
get
to
calls
that
really
require
that
level
of
security.
In
response,
where
many
times,
people
call
9-1-1
and
really
some
other
kind
of
service
could
be
of
use
and
we're
in
the
process
of
partnering,
with
EMS
and
others
throughout
the
city
around
some
alternative
response
models
that
the
mayor
has
endorsed
and
that
we're
you
know
looking
to
be
more
creative
at
how
to
better
send
the
right
responders
in
when
someone
is
calling
9-1-1.
K
So,
even
if
you
call
that
number,
you
will
always
be
assured
to
get
a
police
response
in
the
future.
Historically,
that
has
been
the
case,
so
I
think,
as
the
national
Trends
indicate
there's
greater
interest
in
some
of
these
more
creative
responses
across
the
country,
and
you
know
we
are
Partners
in
that
kind
of
work
as
well.
K
K
K
That
can
be
more
influenced
to
change
things
over
the
course
of
hours
and
days.
So
we
provide
ongoing
support
for
an
extended
period
of
time
and
another
benefit
of
having
our
clinicians
with
the
police.
Is
that
we're
able
to
model
some
skills
that
we
might
use
in
different
ways
than
the
police
are
always
trained
around?
K
K
The
behavioral
health
system
has
led
to
improved
outcomes
for
that
individual,
and
so
that's
been
really
I
think
well
received
by
officers.
They
give
us
a
lot
of
positive
feedback
that
they
appreciate
hearing
that
they're
intervention
with
somebody
has
led
to
them
utilizing
some
services
and
becoming
more
stable,
and
some
of
that
happens
because
our
clinicians
are
are
effectively
communicating
across
systems.
Our
systems
don't
talk
to
each
other
very
well,
so
officers
don't
always
know
who
to
communicate
with
in
a
hospital
when
they're
sending
someone
to
an
emergency
room.
K
Vice
versa,
hospitals,
don't
know
how
to
reach
out
to
officers
who
may
have
had
contact
with
a
person
in
crisis
in
the
community,
so
our
partnership
really
tries
to
bridge.
All
of
that,
and
we
have
quite
a
history.
We've
been
doing
this
work
together
since
2010.
K
We
started
an
e-learning
curriculum
with
officers
way
back
then
to
teach
them
about
these
walk-in
clinics
that
we
serve.
You
know
many
people
from
the
public
most
of
the
time.
People
are
self-referring
and
walking
in
on
their
own
to
these
urgent
care
clinics,
but
there's
no
reason
that
the
police
can't
be
bringing
people
here
as
a
voluntary
drop-off
and
just
providing
that
Transportation.
K
So
for
over
10
years,
we've
been
doing
training
with
officers
around
how
to
utilize
the
the
services
that
best
offers
and
then,
since
2011
that's
the
first
time
we
had
a
clinician
embedded
with
Boston
police
we've
expanded
steadily.
Over
the
years
we
had
some.
We
had
initially
started
a
program
with
funding
through
the
Department
of
Mental
Health.
K
We've
then
expanded
through
some
federal
grants
and
now,
thankfully,
are
operating
out
of
a
line
item
in
the
Boston
police
budget
that
comes
through
City
this
through
City
Hall
and
we've
diverted
some
funds
from
police
over
time
to
allow
for
our
expansion
so
that
now
we
have
a
clinician
in
every
single
District
across
the
city
at
least
one.
K
Here's
some
photos
of
our
staff
and
the
work
that
we
do
alongside
officers.
So
we
see
people
from
juveniles
to
geriatrics.
We
provide
some
unusual
kinds
of
interventions
with
the
police,
we're
part
of
their
hostage
negotiation
team
to
help
people
who
are
in
crisis
who
might
be
barricaded.
Sometimes
it's
not
that
there's
actually
a
hostage.
It
might
just
be
that
the
person
themselves
is
barricaded
and
unsafe.
K
Sometimes
we
are
dealing
with
Community
issues
of
community
trauma,
victims
of
traumatic
incidents,
all
different
kinds
of
issues,
and
just
so
you
can
have
a
visual
of
what
these,
how
this
all
unfolds
at
the
beginning
of
a
shift,
a
clinician
is
paired
with
an
officer
and
the
dispatchers
at
the
9-1-1
call
taking
area
are
notified
of
where
the
clinicians
are
in
the
city.
K
Our
clinician
rides
with
their
officer
in
the
cruiser
throughout
the
shift
they're
listening
on
the
radio
to
see
if
any
of
these,
like
more
obvious
behavioral
health
emergency
calls
come
in,
that
they
can
offer
themselves
up
up
to
to
go
and
assist
officers
on
scene.
Sometimes
other
officers
get
to
the
scene
first
and
then
can
request
the
clinician,
and
sometimes
our
clinician
is
tied
up
because
they're
with
an
officer
who's,
doing
some
unrelated
kind
of
call.
K
We
don't
have
dedicated
mental
health
response
car
cars
in
the
city,
so
it
might
be
that
the
officer
is
on
a
traffic
stop
or
dealing
with
some
other
kind
of
a
call,
and
our
clinician
might
be
tied
up
at
the
time
that
they
might
be
needed
elsewhere
in
the
city.
So
our
clinicians
are
listening
on
the
radio
and
they're
able
to
communicate
with
officers
on
different
calls
over
the
police
radio.
K
So
some
of
the
work
that
they're
doing
can
be
done
at
a
distance
working
over
the
phone
and
the
radio
to
help
officers
and
make
sure
that
they
can
cover
as
many
calls
during
their
shifts
as
possible
once
on
scene
or
intervening
by
phone
or
radio.
It's
really
up
to
the
officer
and
the
clinician
to
kind
of
collaborate
and
and
make
some
of
those
determinations
of
what
is
the
priority.
K
Sometimes
we
have
our
mobile
clinicians
come
and
follow
up
without
the
police.
We
can
employ
different
kinds
of
referrals
from
the
scene
to
help
be
less
disruptive
and
keep
that
person
in
their
environment,
and
then
there
are
times
where
people
are
arrested,
and
we
can
then
continue
to
provide
some
interventions
and
support
for
people
when
they
are
in
police
custody.
K
But
then
that
call
is
closed
and
then
we
move
on
to
the
next.
So
we're
really
working
to
kind
of
triage
things
very
quickly.
In
the
community
and
then
pass
those
cases
that
need
ongoing,
Behavioral
Health
intervention
onto
other
parts
of
our
best
system
in
order
to
be
able
to
move
on
to
the
next
case,
to
support
the
police
on
the
next
call.
K
Many
times.
This
helps
with
that
communication
from
what's
happening
in
the
community,
to
staff
in
a
hospital
environment
when
hospitalization
can't
be
avoided
for
a
person
we're
able
to
really
keep
the
individual
in
crisis
and
the
driver's
seat
more
often
because
our
clinicians
are
better
able
to
navigate
some
of
those
voluntary
resources
rather
than
overly
relying
on
taking
people
to
the
hospital
involuntarily.
Giving.
K
So
that
was
really
my
last
slide
so
I.
Maybe
we
can
reserve
these
last
few
minutes.
I
want
to
give
Kat
a
chance
to
respond
to
any
of
your
calls
she's
out
there
day
in
and
day
out,
responding
to
these
calls
with
officers,
so
I
defer
to
West,
but
I'd
be
more
than
happy
to
have
us
answer
any
questions.
If
this
is
a
good
time
for
that.
B
Yes,
this
is
Wes
sure
I
think
we
probably
have
about
two
minutes.
If
you
wanna,
if
someone's
got
a
question,
you
can
probably
respond
to
that.
I
Hi
this
is
Paul,
I
have
a
question.
Well,
I
just
want
to
say
thank
you.
Actually,
the
questions
I
had
you
answered
thoroughly
and
what
it
would
basically
was
was
some
sort
of
psychiatric
help
of
the
hospitals.
They
provided
plenty
of
information
and
numbers
to
call
which
is
great
I
just
want
to
thank
you
for
your
time
and
a
very
thorough
and
understanding.
F
Hi,
thank
you
for
the
the
comprehensive
presentation
and
also
the
workflow
that
was
very
helpful
to
understanding
how
this
works.
My
question
is:
is
the
the
best
team
also
called
in
when
you're
dealing
with
crises
with
with
young
people
and
minors,
and
then
also
is
the
best
team,
collaborate
or
train
or
work
with
any
of
the
the
resource
officers
in
Boston
and
Boston
Police
Department
that
cross
over
into
Boston
Public
Schools.
I
Real
quick
before
she
starts
I
know
Charlie
that
this
is
Paul
again
we
are
working
on
having
someone
from
Boston
school
speak
in
2023.
I
just
want
to
lead
off
with
that
sorry
to
interrupt.
L
Mom
a
lot
of
times
those
can
come
in
as
family
trouble
calls.
We've
had
parents
that
are
have
different
concerns,
like
mental
health
concerns
or
things
going
on
in
school
things
like
that,
a
lot
of
times.
Sometimes
what
happens
in
that
call
depends
on
the
parent.
So
occasionally
it
doesn't
happen
very
often,
but
occasionally
we
might
be
responding
to
a
child
or
a
teenager
who
is
very
upset.
L
Who
is
breaking
things
who
is
screaming
and
we
might
be
able
to
get
the
child
to
calm
down
and
make
a
safety
plan
in
place,
but
sometimes
a
parent
says
that
they're
more
comfortable
with
them
going
to
the
hospital
and
getting
evaluated
so
occasionally
that
does
happen
just
because
they
have
Guardianship
and
they
can
make
that
decision.
But
a
lot
of
the
time
we
can
still
connect
family
to
Services.
L
We
can
connect
them
with
a
mobile
clinician
that
will
sit
down
and
have
a
more
calm
evaluation
with
the
child
and
the
parent
or
even
the
siblings
can
be
involved
if
they're
all
going
to
be
home.
So
we
do
definitely
work
out
with
that
and
we
occasionally
will
get
calls
from
schools.
There's
been
a
lot
of
changes
with
that
with
Public
Schools,
not
wanting
uniformed
Boston
police
to
be
inside
the
school
building,
so
sometimes
we'll
get
into
little
hairy
situations
with
that,
but
a
lot
of
the
time
they
will
still
be
calling
asking
for
help.
L
K
We
have
had
a
clinician
embedded
with
the
school
police
in
the
past,
but
it
was
a
little
bit
short-lived
because
there
were
varying
levels
of
comfort
having
the
officers
in
the
schools,
but
that's
being
Revisited.
Now
so
very
likely.
We
might
have
another
opportunity
to
embed
a
clinician
with
the
school
police
in
the
future
and
I
I,
see
Elizabeth's
hand
up,
but
I
want
to
respect
the
time
frame
as
well
I
defer
to
you
West.
So
let
me
know.
B
G
Great
last
question-
and
this
is
Elizabeth
Dean
clarius.
Thank
you
for
an
excellent
presentation.
I
had
to
try
to
make
this
quick.
Do
other
groups
hear
your
presentations,
such
as
medical
school
students
or
other
people
who
are
still
students
in
training
going
into
various
Health
Professions
where,
but
it
would
be
helpful
for
them
to
know
about
it
as
part
of
their
training
and
then
that's.
The
second
question.
K
I
can
share
I'll,
try
to
tackle
the
first
part
and
then
maybe
about
the
restraints
in
your
experience,
cattle
I'll
turn
that
part
to
you.
I
can
tell
you
that,
as
so,
best
works
out
of
the
Boston
Medical
Center
Department
of
Psychiatry,
and
so
we
are
affiliated
with
the
Boston
University
Medical
School
and
our
people
in
our
leadership
work
with
the
medical
school
and
are
part
of
Faculty.
K
So
there's
some
explanation,
at
least
in
that
environment,
around
Emergency
Services
diversion
from
police
encounters,
but
truly
it's
a
kind
of
a
niche
field,
and
there
isn't
as
much
understanding
that
we're
really
even
out
there
as
I
wish
that
there
were
so
feel
free.
Any
of
you
who
want
to
you
know
extend
this
invitation
out
there
to
people
that
you
think
could
benefit
from
hearing
more
about
this
programming.
K
We
do
this
work
right
in
Boston,
in
partnership
with
Boston
police,
but
there
are
co-responder
programs
and
other
mental
health
collaborations
with
police
departments
in
various
communities
throughout
Massachusetts,
so
I
think
each
little
Community
is
getting
a
little
bit
of
press,
but
if
you
could
know
on
the
larger
scale,
what's
going
on
in
Partnerships
like
this
I
think
it
is
kind
of
a
heartening
situation
better
than
maybe
you
know,
people
might
Envision,
because
we
do
great
work
and
secret,
sometimes,
unfortunately
Kathy
you
want
to
address
the
your
perception
version
of
around
kind
of
the
the
restraint
piece
and
involuntary
piece.
L
Yeah
sure
so
I
think
it
does
help
having
a
clinician
on
board
for
several
reasons,
one
when
we're
going
in,
especially
if
it's
somebody
that's
known
to
us.
If
we've
met
with
this
person
before
or
if
we
can
look
in
the
best
record
and
see
some
history
there,
we
can
kind
of
look
out
for
anyone
who
has
a
history
of
being
aggressive
with
anyone
or
of
any
particular
diagnosis.
We
don't
share
specific
things
because
of
HIPAA,
but
we
can
kind
of
set
the
framework
for
the
scene.
L
We're
going
to
to
say
you
know
this
person
has
a
little
bit
of
a
history
of
getting
handy,
so
we
might
want
to
maybe
not
overcrowd
them.
Maybe
we
want
to
look
at
not
having
so
many
people
around.
Maybe
we
only
need
two
officers
to
be
in
the
room
as
opposed
to
five.
We
can
definitely
kind
of
help
with
that
setup
and
then,
in
terms
of
anyone
who
does
need
to
go
to
the
hospital-
and
they
really
are
not
interested
in
doing
that.
L
We're
able
to
assist
officers
with
giving
choice
and
helping
people
to
kind
of
relax
a
little
bit
more
in
terms
of
going.
So
we
can
talk
about
Hospital
choice.
If
there's
a
hospital
you're
more
comfortable
with
we
can
do
that.
We
can
talk
about
saying
you
know
we
really
do
need
to
get
you
to
be
evaluated,
but
we
don't
want
to.
L
You
know,
put
hands
on
you
and
put
you
in
so,
if
you're
willing
to
just
walk
with
us
a
lot
of
times,
clinician
myself
included,
will
offer
to
ride
an
ambulance
with
people
just
so
that
way,
they're
a
little
bit
more
comfortable,
so
they
can
continue
talking
when
they're
going
to
the
ambulance,
so
it
definitely
has
helped
eliminate
going
Hands-On
and
to
be
perfectly
honest
officers
really
don't
want
to.
These
calls.
L
G
Okay,
thank
you
because
I
was
also
thinking
of
the
situation
where
some
people
due
to
past
trauma
some
people
on
the
autism
spectrum
Etc,
might
have
unusual
sensitivity
to
being
touched
so,
but.
K
We
also
do
training
for
police
officers,
and
we
do
cover
trauma
and
BPD
specifically
has
really
strong
autism
trainers
from
within
officers
who
have
loved
ones
with
autism
and
speak
from
a
lot
of
personal
experience,
as
well
as
their
Professional
Knowledge.
So
there's
quite
a
bit
on
the
training
end
outside
of
just
the
expertise
that
our
clinicians
bring
to
those
calls,
and
we
partner
with
them
around
that
as
well.
Okay,.
A
Okay
hi:
this
is
Andrea
yep.
Thank
you
again
on
behalf
of
all
of
us.
It's
a
joy
to
work
with
you
also
for
the
board
to
know
that
Chris
moraski
in
our
office
sits
on
an
advisory
committee
related
to
best.
So
we
do
have
our
presentation
with
you
know
he
knows
Lauren
quite
well.
So
it's
a
pleasure
to
finally
meet
you
myself
and
thank
you
for
your
time.
A
Second
I
would
like
to
make
a
shout
out
to
Sheila
Shu,
a
deaf
local,
who
is
currently
doing
graduate
school
at
Harvard
University
for
a
complete
mission
up
in
space
through
the
Astro
Access
program,
which
can
be
found
at
astroaccess.org.
This
is
a
special
program
for
disabled
people
to
get
up
in
space.
Astro
access
is
dedicated
to
advancing
disability
inclusion
in
space
exploration,
not
just
for
the
benefits
of
marginalized
communities,
but
for
the
benefit
of
all
humankind.
A
A
David
had
been
sick
for
a
long
time
and
per
the
commissioner
to
honor
David's
Advocacy.
She
has
been
in
touch
with
Folks
at
the
Boston
Public
Library,
about
a
recognition
related
to
the
accessibility
upgrades
at
the
Copley
Branch,
as
they
have
known
him
for
several
years
of
volunteer
work
with
the
friends
of
the
Boston
Public
Library,
as
I
have
known
him
for
a
very
short
time.
A
M
M
Outreach
Campaign,
which
I'll
talk
a
little
bit
about
in
my
report,
but
David
was
also
a
staunch
advocate
for
safety
on
public
rights
of
way
in
Boston,
particularly
where
it
concerns
Boston
bikes,
cyclists,
people
who
rent
the
bikes
people
ride
bikes,
so
he
had
really
advocated
for
that
safety
program
for
a
long
time.
So
we
had
some
grant
funding
and
we
finally
had
the
initiative
ready
to
go,
and
we
will
also
put
a
note
in
that
to
memorialize
David
and
thank
him
for
his
advocacy.
D
Can
I
go
ahead?
What
Okay
so
While
most
of
us
here
know
David
as
a
strong
advocate
for
the
library
and
pedestrian
safety
in
terms
of
the
bicycling
and
sidewalk
you
many
of
us
may
not
know
that
David
was
also
a
huge
animal
lover,
so
when
the
blind
Community
would
get
together
and
have
some
important
events
that
you
beat
ball
or
something
occasionally,
David
would
babysit
all
the
guide
dogs
and
keep
track
of
them
so
that
the
blind
Community
could
go
out
and
do
some
other
things.
D
G
It's
Elizabeth
did
you
want
me
to
just
go
ahead?
This.
A
Is
Andrea,
what's
indicated
in
the
chat
that
he
would
like
Jerry
to
go
after
Carl,
then
you
Elizabeth
I'm,
sorry.
N
Thank
you.
This
is
Jerry,
yes,
I
I,
just
remember
David,
primarily
from
you
know,
coming
to
our
our
meet
monthly
meetings.
Faithfully
when
you
know,
particularly
when
I
was
chair,
and
he
always
had
public
comment
and
he
always
participate
participated
fully
in
the
meetings
and
I
was
very,
very
impressed
with
that
and
I
I
was
lucky
enough
to
to.
You
know,
see
David
on,
like
our
commutes
shared
commutes.
N
Occasionally
you
know,
as
he
lived
in
Hyde
Park
and
I
lived
in
West
Roxbury,
not
too
far
and
and
I
just
it
was
just
very
impressed
by
by
David
and
his
commitment
for
to
the
city
and
and
his
commitment
and
his
advocacy.
You
know
for
people
with
disabilities
and
also
the
library
as
well,
and
you
know
just
from
talking
with
David
he
he
he
had
worked
for
the
city
for
a
long
time
as
well.
So
so
he
so
he
he
remain
committed
to
the
city
even
after.
N
Even
after
his
even
after
his
professional
career
with
the
city
had
ended
and-
and
that's
that's
to
be
commended,
and
definitely,
however,
you
know
we
could
commemorate
David's
and
the
memorialize
David
I
think
is.
Is
is
more
than
appropriate,
so
thank
you.
G
Yes,
it's
Elizabeth!
Thank
you
for
these
other
remembrances
about
David
and
Carl
I
that
isn't
a
an
aspect
of
David
I
had
known
about
with
is
being
a
dog
lover.
An
animal
lover.
G
I
I
only
knew
him
in
the
context
of
his
attendance
at
our
meetings,
but
as
Jerry
had
noted
that
his
attendance
in
person,
when
we
were
meeting
in
person
and
then
on
our
our
online
Zoom,
calls
that
he
certainly
was
tireless
in
his
advocacy
that
staunch
is
certainly
one
of
the
descriptors
that
come
to
mind,
but
also
you
know.
G
His
sense
is
the
the
sense
of
passion
and
urgency
and
safety
issues
that
he
raised
are
ones
that
that
I
that
come
to
mind
and
I
think
that
that
is
fitting,
that
that
there
will
be
these
ways
to
with
bicycle
safety
or
the
library
entrance.
That
there'll
be
ways
to
commemorate
his
ongoing
tireless
work
for
those.
Thank
you.
A
M
All
right,
great,
so
I
don't
have
a
very
long
report
tonight,
just
a
few
things
to
go
over.
So,
first
of
all,
we'll
start
with
some
City
initiatives,
as
Wes
mentioned,
and
you
all
know.
By
now
the
captions
ordinance
passed
this
month,
mayor
Wu
has
signed
it
into
law
and
it's
in
effect.
Right
now.
We
have
the
celebratory
signing
event
this
week
with
the
press
conference.
It's
been
on
the
news
it's
been
in
the
newspaper,
so
hopefully
you've
all
got
to
read
about
it.
M
So
now,
starting
in
the
New
Year,
we
will
work
with
our
city,
Department
partners
and
the
community
to
get
the
word
out.
We're
going
to
be
producing
some
materials
for
information,
and
one
of
the
things
that
we're
thinking
about
is
a
little
wallet-sized
card
that
we
can
give
out
to
Residents
just
so
that
they
can
show
the
information
to
a
business
owner.
M
If
they
don't
know
about
the
ordinance,
it
will
be
a
real,
simple,
like
requirement
card
that
you
can
all
show,
and
hopefully
it
will
help
to
educate
businesses
about
this
requirement
so
looking
forward
to
the
new
year
and
when
we
can
start
doing
Outreach
and
really
looking
forward
to
getting
out
there
and
seeing
the
captions
on
all
these
TVs.
Many
thanks
again
to
Wes
for
all
his
advocacy
and
I
can
say.
This
is
definitely
one
of
the
biggest
accomplishments
that
the
board
has
made
ever
and
so
really
proud
of.
M
All
your
work
and,
like
I,
said
looking
forward
to
seeing
this
in
action.
The
next
initiative
that
we're
working
on
is
with
the
Boston
Public
Schools
mayor
Wu,
has
announced
a
green
new
deal
for
the
Boston
Public
Schools.
This
is
a
commitment
to
tackle
both
inequality
and
climate
change
through
Investments
that
include
reducing
greenhouse
gas,
creating
high-paying
jobs,
improving
Community
resilience,
ensuring
clean
air,
water
and
healthy
food.
So
we
are
involved
on
the
team
looking
at
buildings,
we
know
that
BPS
has
a
lot
of
very
old
buildings.
M
M
So
just
a
note
about
the
state
ethics
training,
the
mass
inspected
General,
holds
these
a
few
times
a
year.
You
all
know
that
you're
considered
special
employees
of
the
city
of
Boston
and
so
you're
held
accountable
to
the
ethics
standards.
M
I
know
some
of
you
have
already
taken
this
training
and
there
is
a
small
fee,
but
we
can
reimburse
you
if
you
do
participate
and
there
are
a
few
more
there'll,
be
several
sessions
coming
up
in
the
new
year.
So
please
think
about
attending
that,
and
then
the
new
board
schedule
is
out
for
2023.
The
meetings
will
remain
virtual,
at
least
through
March
and
we'll
get
we'll
keep
you
updated.
If,
if
they
return
to
in
person
in
2023,
everyone
should
have
received
the
calendar
invites.
M
But
these
are
the
following
days:
I
won't
read
all
the
dates,
but
they
are
in
the
email
that
we
sent
and
we
can
follow
up
with
sending
my
report,
but
just
so
everybody
knows
that
they
will
continue
to
be
on
Wednesdays.
We
can't
have
it
on
a
regular
Wednesday,
like
the
second
or
third
Wednesday
every
month
because
of
conflicting
cable
schedules,
but
there
are
never
pretty
much
the
first
Wednesday
so
a
particular
Wednesday
every
month,
and
we
look
forward
to
everybody
joining
next
slide.
M
And
then
just
some
updates
on
The
Advisory
board
for
new
members.
In
case
you're,
not
aware
we
do
hold
elections
every
year
for
the
role
of
chair
Vice,
chair
secretary
and
treasurer,
so
we
will
be
holding
these
in
the
New
Year.
We
will
ask
for
nominations
in
January
and
we
will
schedule
the
votes
in
February.
All
members
are
eligible
to
to
serve
on
the
committee,
the
executive
committee,
and
we
encourage
anybody
who's
interested
to
nominate
themselves
and
we've
had
different
processes
in
the
past.
M
For
we've
done,
like
roll
call
nominations,
we've
done,
you
know,
self-identifying
nomination,
so
Andrea
can
talk
through
the
process
with
the
executive
committee
in
January
and
then
we'll
talk
through
it
at
the
board
meeting
just
to
see
how
we'll
hold
the
election,
but
I
would
encourage
everybody
to
think
about
if
they're
interested
in
any
roles
and
I
really
would
just
like
to
thank
the
board
members
who
are
in
their
current
roles,
because
you've
done
a
great
job.
M
I
can
honestly
say
that
this
executive
committee
is
the
most
active
we've
ever
had
and
I
want
to
give
a
big
shout
out
to
West
for
his
leadership,
because
he
has
done
a
phenomenal
job
in
really
getting
the
board
to
not
only
do
some
work
like
you
always
do,
but
actually
to
make
some
a
huge
accomplishments.
So,
thanks
to
Wes
and
the
executive
committee
and
the
whole
board
and
we'll
talk
more
in
January
and
that's
it
brief
report
but
happy
to
answer
questions.
If
anybody
has
any.
O
Okay,
this
is
West
I'm,
assuming
there's
no
questions
seeing
none.
N
N
Have
you
had
good
feedback
from
the
business
Community?
What's
your
sense
in
terms
of
compliance?
Do
you
think
most
most
businesses
either
already
comply
or
you
know,
will
comply.
M
Yeah,
it
was
a
little
bit
the
way,
the
media
kind
of
sliced
and
diced
the
sound
bite.
It
wasn't
quite
the
full
story,
so
it's
not
that
there's
no
enforcement.
It's
just
that
our
office
can't
do
any
enforcement.
We
are
listed
in
the
ordinance
kind
of
as
like
the
mitigating
department.
So
we
want
to
work
very
closely
with
businesses
to
help
them
come
into
compliance,
whether
it's
just
telling
them
the
basic
information
like
some
people
are
worried
that
they
might
have
to
produce
captions.
M
M
To
tell
them
the
importance
of
the
ordinance
that
it's
actually
a
law
in
the
city
of
Boston
that
they
have
to
comply,
and
if
it
comes
down
to
it
they
can
hold
a
hearing
and
their
license
can
be
suspended
or
revoked.
So
there
is
definitely
enforcement.
It's
just.
We
really
didn't
want
to
impose
a
fine,
because
we
know
that
businesses
are
struggling,
especially
small
businesses.
So
we
didn't
want
to
be
punitive
off
the
bat
we
wanted
to
really
work
collaboratively
at
first
and
then,
if
it
come
becomes
necessary,
we
can
do
work
on
enforcement.
O
This
is
Wes.
Thank
you
very
much.
I
also
wanted
to
ask
a
question
myself,
especially
before
my
internet
goes
out
again.
Potentially,
commissioner,
my
question
is:
will
there
be
some
kind
of
data
analysis
that
we
could
review
assessments
to
see
how
the
captions
are
going,
how
compliance
is
going?
Is
there
any
sort
of
assessment
or
review
planned
for
maybe
next
year?
In
terms
of
looking
back
and
seeing
what
statistics
and
information
we
could
gather
about
the
program,
how
will
we
assess.
M
That's
a
good
point
yeah.
We
can
talk
about
that
internally.
The
second
part
of
the
question
that
was
asked
was
about
reactions
so
far,
so
our
office
has
received
just
a
few
calls,
and
really
it
was
just
questions
about
like
information
like
what
does
this
mean?
Is
it
an
effect
now
somebody
asked
for
a
copy
of
the
ordinance.
Some
people
said
when
we
One
Restaurant
said
like
when
we
told
them
that
he
just
has
to
turn
on
the
closed
caption
feature.
M
He
said:
okay,
great
with
the
next
exclamation
point,
so
we
haven't
heard
any
negative
feedback,
certainly
so
I
think
more
now
is
just
getting
the
information
out,
and
hopefully
it
won't
come
to
any
enforcement
in
the
new
year,
but
we
will
work
on
that
and
we
can
definitely
talk
about
ways
to
analyze
the
program
Wes.
So
that's
a
good
call.
O
Okay,
terrific
I
also
wanted
to
add
that
I
found
some
social
media
posts
and
comments
from
folks
in
the
community
who
were
very
excited
to
see
this
happening.
So
I
can
forward
those
to
the
board
later
and
thank
everybody
for
their
follow-through
on
that
Charlie
go.
F
Ahead,
I
I
just
wanted
to
comment
on
how
quickly
I
had
seen
closed
captioning
this
morning,
I
went
to
my
gym
at
six
a.m
and
all
the
TVs
had
closed
captioning
on
already.
But
the
interesting
thing
is
that
it's
in
a
hotel,
prominent
hotel
and
the
executives,
the
management
Executives
there
are
also
there
and
they
were
talking
about
it.
Just
you
know
around
reminding
all
the
other
folks
to
to
do
that
and
they
said
that
the
email
circulated
so
I
was
listening
and
kind
of
asked
them
about
it
and
then
introduced
myself.
F
But
it
sounds
like
people
are
taking
it
seriously
and
they
understand
the
importance
of
it.
But
then
it
is
something
the
comment
that
came.
They
had
asked
me
and
they
said
so.
Why
is
it
taking
so
long
or
something
so
easy
as
pressing
a
button
to
turn
on
and
I?
Didn't
really
have
a
strong
answer
for
it,
but
I
did
thank
him
that
they
that
they
found
out
very
quickly
and
and
started
making
sure
that
that
all
their
management
people
knew
to
comply.
H
What
do
you
think
about
the
idea
of
asking
the
public
to
inform
mission?
Should
they
observe
non-compliance.
M
Yeah
we,
we
really
hope
to
do
some
Outreach
to
spread
the
word
among
the
disability,
community
and
yeah
people
are
always
welcome
to
give
us
feedback.
Our
office
is
listed
in
the
ordinance
as
the
only
city
office
who's.
You
know,
involved
with
rolling
this
new
law
out
so
and
we'll
be
doing
a
lot
of
social
media
outreach
like
I,
said
we'll
be
producing
some
wallet-sized
cards
that
people
can
carry.
M
The
ordinance
does
mention
a
complaint
process
which
is
to
contact
our
office
so
yeah
we
could.
We
could
certainly
put
out
a
call
for
people
to
get
in
touch
with
us
to
let
us
know
if
they've
seen
it
if
it's
working,
if
they
know
of
any
places
that
have
not
enabled
captions
so
yeah
I,
think
that's
something
we
can
definitely
work
on.
Richard.
H
Yeah,
maybe
perhaps
even
included
in
the
various
notices
you
send
out
to
the
public,
was
a
footnote
or
something
says:
where's
the
effect
that
there's
a
new
ordinance
requires
restaurants
and
other
facilities
to
comply
this
by
having
closed
captioning,
and
you
should
encounter
a
situation
where
someone
is
not
compliant.
Please
let
us
know
and
here's
how
to
do
that.
Something
like
that,
because.
E
H
Think
you
know,
as
we
I
think
we
probably
all
know,
takes
a
while
for
the
public,
but
you
know
whatever
Felicity
about
any
ordinance
like
this
too,
and
it
understand
it.
And
of
course
we
want
people
who
not
just
people
who
are
particularly
benefits
from
closed
captioning,
but
people
who
don't
necessarily
need
it
are
sensitive
to
the
issue
to
be
alert
to
it
and
also
to
let
us
know.
M
Yeah,
we
have
a
whole
Outreach
plan
that
we'll
be
launching
in
2023
and
that
will
definitely
include
like
the
disability
Community.
It
will
include
our
city
departments.
It
will
include
reaching
out
to
the
businesses
like
the
hotels
that
Charlie
mentioned
small
businesses
on
main
streets,
so
yeah
we
definitely
we
have
a
staff
person
who
does
specifically
Outreach
and
engagement,
so
she'll
be
working
on
it
too.
So,
yes,
those
are
all
great
suggestions.
Thank
you.
O
G
Yes,
thank
you.
First,
congratulations
on
it's
wonderful
news
to
that.
This
is
now
past
and
in
effect
and
I
I
think
that
will
be
very
helpful.
G
G
If
someone
chose
I
know
some
people,
you
know
who,
for
whatever
the
issue
are
concerned
about,
it
doesn't
seem
like
this
issue
compared
to
excuse
me
for
just
trying
to
think
this
throughout
that
compared
to
other
issues,
this
was
seemed
like
someone
would
have
less
concern
about
retribution
or
whatever,
but
if
someone
you
know
wanted
to
call
and
not
have
it
be
through
a
say,
an
email.
G
Is
that
an
option
as
I
said
it's
not
it's
not
a
safety
issue,
like
others
in
one
sense,
but
just
to
make
it
as
easy
as
possible
for
people
to
report
it
and
also
is
there
a
way
is
there?
Is
it
allowed
or
possible
to
know,
for
instance,
when
you
said
when
Andrea
clarified
that
restaurants
have
separate
TV
licenses
is?
Is
it
possible
to
know
which
places
have
TVs.
M
Elizabeth
I
think
we
can
look
into
all
those
things
and
circle
back
just
in
the
in
just
a
time.
I
I,
don't
you
know,
okay,
those
are
great
suggestions.
Sure.
O
Okay,
this
is
Wes
and.
D
Oh
yeah
Ty-
this
is
Kyle
I
just
want
to.
Let
you
guys
know
I've
printed
out
the
order
and
I've
been
sharing
it
with
a
number
of
legislators
at
the
state
house,
and
many
of
them
are
very
excited
and
I'm
trying
to
see
if
I
can
get
any
of
them
to
use
this
as
a
template
to
file
potentially
a
bill
to
make
the
a
requirement
to
take
one
and
so
we'll
see
what
happens.
O
This
is
Wes.
Thank
you
very
much.
Fingers
crossed
absolutely
if
we
could
get
this
Statewide.
That
would
be
very
exciting.
O
B
B
Okay,
then
I'm
going
to
move
on
to
the
next
item
on
the
agenda,
which
is
old
business,
and
what
I'd
like
to
talk
about
is
the
welcome
letter
to
the
the
governor
elect
governor,
elect
Maura
Healy,
and
we
have
a
welcome
letter.
We
know
that
there's
been
some.
H
I'm
sure,
with
happy
to
do
so,
I
don't
know
about
the
residue
and
I'm
new
to
the
commission,
so
apologies
as
well.
This
is
clear
to
everyone
but
starts
with
in
in
in
the
letter
reminded
me
of
this
issues
because
and
I
apologize.
They
don't
have
my
computer
room
for
me
because
frozen
out
of
the
meeting
can't
figure
out
how
to
get
back
in
other
than
the
calling,
but
so
I
forgotten.
What
the
how
the
letter
refers
to
us
as
a
commission
but
I've
noticed
the
air
and.
H
Places
to
call
ourselves
very
different
things,
so,
for
example,
our
website
causes
a
commission
Advisory
Board
email,
us
from
official
emails,
referred
to
as
the
city
of
Boston
disability
Commission,
their
signature
blocks,
I've
seen
it
refer
to
us
at
the
mayor's
commission
for
persons
with
disability
on
the.
H
Refers
to
listen
to
disability,
commission
Advisory
Board,
but
we
have
a
charter
and
I,
don't
know
how
familiar
you
are
with
it,
but
it
was
Wes
itself.
I
know
that
they
tracked
it
down
in
our
Charter
says
we're
the
commission
for
persons
with
disability,
or
we
can
be
called
the
commission
on
disability.
H
That's
what
our
Charter
As
I
understood.
It
says
it
also
has
other
languages,
including
the
we
can.
Only.
We
only
have
nine
members
that
we
have
13
so
like
first
issue
with
the
letter
is
that
it
Yes.
B
A
You
Andrea
thanks
Wes
and
yeah.
Maybe
we
should
connect
offline
because
I
can
imagine
where
you're
coming
from
from
a
legal
perspective.
Basically
the
state
law
and
the
city
ordinance
that
create
the
department
that
I
work
for
and
the
entity
on
which
you
serve
are
very
confusing
and
contradict
each
other.
So
our
office
was
created
before
the
state
created
commissions
on
disability.
So
we
got
the
title
commission
before
that
happened.
Then
the
state
created
them
for
every
municipality
in
your
function,
but
sort
of
we
already
had
the
title.
A
There
used
to
be
only
nine
members
that
was
extended
under
state
law,
although
the
bylaws
haven't
updated
to
reflect
that
so
we've
called
You
The
Advisory
Board
to
try
and
keep
that
separate
because
under
city
ordinance
we're
the
commission
but
under
state
law
you're
the
commission.
So
we
refer
to
our
department
of
full-time
staff
appointed
by
the
mayor
to
get
benefits
and
come
to
City
Hall
every
day
the
commission-
and
we
call
you
all
the
Advisory
Board
to
try
and
keep
that
separate,
but
you're
right
under
state
law.
You're,
a
commission
so.
M
We
I
just
I,
have
a
little
more
clarification
to
add
to
hi
it's
Kristin,
McCosh,
so
Richard.
Another
thing
about
that
is
when
I
was
appointed
as
commissioner
in
2010,
the
commission,
Advisory
Board
had
just
been
established
in
2009,
just
before
I
was
appointed
as
commissioner,
so
we
did
have
a
commission
way
back
when
when
the
office
was
after,
the
office
was
established
in
like
the
80s,
but
it
hadn't
met
for
a
long
time.
M
So
the
city
council
approved
accepting
Mass
chapter
40,
section
8j,
which
is
the
legislation
that
Andrea
referred
to
and
that
did
call
for
nine
members.
But
then,
after
I
was
on
board
a
few
years,
we
really
wanted
to
get
more
representation
of
different
neighborhoods
and
disabilities
and
ethnicities.
So
we
had
the
state
legislation
amended
to
their
team
members,
but
also
the
reason
for
The
Advisory
Board
was
worked
out
under
mayor
Thomas
Menino.
M
H
So
I
I
have
to
confession.
Maybe
it's
just
my
shortcoming:
I'm
still
confused.
If
it's
permissible
in
the
open
video
offline.
H
Do
it,
this
is.
B
Awesome
all
I
know
is
we
have
a
charter.
This
is
Wes
here,
I'm,
sorry
I'm,
going
to
interrupt
one
moment.
I
actually
have
been
abused
by
this
issue.
Myself
and
I
do
want
to
add,
like
I
said
that
there's
I've
been
confused,
have
been
a
lot
of
confusion
about
the
names
and
because
because,
as
you
said,
the
bylaws
shows
some
different
wording
and
so
I
think
that
that
actually
is
something
that
was
I
had
on
my
list
under
new
business.
To
talk
about
this,
but
I
want
to
get
back
to
the
issue.
B
H
Us
back
if
I
could
just
go
from
there,
I
I
I
apologize
for
being
blunt
I
don't
mean
to
offend
anyone,
but
I
I.
Don't
think
it
was
a
terribly
well
written
letter
and
I
began
to
add
a
bunch
of
errors
and
I
I
tried
to
I
did
half
marked
it
up
with
the
changes.
I
think
should
be
made
this
explanation
why
it
would
take
me
honestly,
take
me
some
time
to
it.
It's
meeting
and
I
can't
and
I.
Don't
have
it
in
front
of
me
anyway.
B
B
A
N
Yeah,
yes,
if
you
don't
want
to
thank
you
Wes
and
thank
you
for
your
feedback,
Richard
I
would
hope.
You
know,
because
letters
like
this
have
been
delayed
in
the
past,
because
you
know
we
have
as
a
board.
N
We
have
as
a
board
I'm
going
back
and
forth
a
lot,
so
I
would
really
hope
that
you
know
whatever
whatever
and
it's
you
know
suffice
now
that
we
could
come
up
with
a
process
where,
where,
where
we
could
get,
you
know
letters
like
this
one
out
as
quickly
as
possible.
I
I
was
really
hoping
that
that
that
any
edits
or
whatnot
would
go
through
the
executive
executive
committee.
That's
what
and
I
thought
we
had
given.
N
We
had
given
everyone
and
Andrew
had
had
sent
a
letter
out
last
weekend
and
had
given
you
know
folks
I
what
I
thought
was
ample
time
to
to
provide
feedback
and
and
funnel
it
through
the
executive
board.
So
maybe
at
some
point
in
in
a
in
a
future
meeting,
we
can
really
come
up
with
a
process
and
streamline
the
process.
A
This
is
Andrea.
The
one
challenge
to
that
model
is
that
under
the
open
meeting
law,
any
content
can
only
be
discussed
at
a
publicly
noticed
meeting,
so
the
executive
committee
meetings
aren't
publicly
noticed.
We
only
use
them
to
discuss
process
and
what's
on
the
agenda
for
the
next
meeting,
and
who
we're
going
to
invite
things
like
that,
any
content
of
an
opinion
the
board
might
Express
would
have
to
be
discussed
either
at
this
monthly
meeting
or
if
we
want,
we
can
publicly
notice.
We
need
48
hours.
A
We
can
publicly
notice
the
executive
committee
meetings
and
record
them.
We
don't
necessarily
have
to
broadcast
them
on
cable,
that's
not
required.
We
just
do
that
because
we
want
people
to
access
this
meeting
as
long
as
we
record
it
and
provide
the
recording
to
anyone
who
asks
and
let
anyone
in
who
wants
to
attend.
In
theory,
we
could
have
those
executive
committees,
meetings,
be
open
and
discuss
content.
N
N
I
I
would
just
hope
that
we
could
come
up
with
a
streamlined
process,
so
so
letters
like
this
go
out
as
efficiently
and
as
timely
as
possible.
So
hi.
M
It's
Krista
McCosh,
just
to
jump
in
Jerry
I.
Think
you
raise
a
really
good
point.
I
think
like
Andrea
is
mentioning.
We
can't
go
over
content
in
an
executive
committee
meeting,
but
I
think
it's
a
great
idea
to
come
up
with
a
process
like
you
know,
certain
people
will
offer
to
write
a
draft
and
then
it
will
go
to
the
homeboy.
Then
it'll
go
to
the
executive
committee
and
they're
given
like
a
week
to
make
edits
or
whatever
you
decide
the
process
to
be
but
I
agree.
I
think
that's
a
great
idea.
B
Okay,
this
is
Wes
I'm,
going
to
add
that
I'll
actually
add
this
to
the
executive
committee
meeting.
So
we
can
talk
a
little
about
getting
it
in
the
plan
to
talk
about
this
in
one
of
our
upcoming
meetings
and
then
I
think
it
would
be
helpful
for
us
to
also
discuss
who
next
presenters
would
be
as
well,
but
I
think
and
I'm
also
open
we're
open
to
any
suggestions.
If
people
would
like
to
see
specific
present,
okay,
any
additional
questions
about
the
letter
for
welcoming
governor
elect
Healy.
B
If
not,
then
what
we'll
do
is
we'll
get
some
comment
from
Richard
and
then
we
can
send
it.
We
can
share
that
edited
draft
for
comments.
Okay
and
that'll,
be
our
that'll,
be
our
process
right,
Andrea.
A
Yes,
if
Richard
sends
his
suggested
edits
to
you,
we
can
distribute
the
updated
letter
to
the
board
for
a
boat
in
January.
B
Okay,
great
yeah,
that's
that
sounds
like
a
plan.
Thank
you.
Okay.
Let's
see,
let's
moving
on
to
the
next
item
on
the
agenda,
which
is.
B
We've
mixed
our
discussions
and
I
do
know
that
they're
both
Andrea
and
the
commissioner
had
spoken
about
the
confusion
about
the
language
of
The,
Advisory,
Board,
and
so
basically
the
the
language
that
that,
in
the
state
that
refers
to
us
as
different
from
sort
of
what
we're
really
doing
so,
the
bylaws
actually
have
to
reflect
what
what
the
structure
really
is
and
the
bylaws
are
a
bit
outdated,
so
part
of
the
new
business.
B
What
I
would
like
to
do
is
I'd
like
to
make
a
recommendation
that
the
executive
committee
take
a
look
at
the
bylaws
and
see
what
changes
that
have
been
occurring
since
the
commission,
since
the
advisory
has
been
established
and
I
think
that
it
will
be
helpful
to
make
some
revisions
or
like
to
make
some
suggestive
revisions
on
the
bylaws.
So
make
sure
that
it's
that
it's
it's
something
that
reflects
what
we're
doing
and
it's
using
standard
language
to
reflect.
What
we're
doing.
B
So
what
do
people
think
about
that?
So
I'm
open
to
I'm
opening
the
floor
to
any
thoughts
on
this
for
dealing
with
the
bylaws
being
outdated
and
I?
See.
C
Yeah
I
almost
think
this
should
be
its
own
public
meeting,
where
we
can
discuss
content,
make
votes
and
do
the
the
work
to
actually
change
the
bylaws
themselves.
A
This
is
Andrea.
We
could
decide
today
to
hold
a
special
meeting
to
discuss.
Just
the
bylaws
can
be
whatever
length
of
time
you
want
as
long
as
I
have
48
hours
to
put
a
public
notice
on
boston.gov.
That's
what
that's
that's
the
plan.
B
Wes
says:
okay,
sure
we
could
maybe,
after
the
New
Year,
have
a
special
meeting.
B
H
What
is
dick,
lowski
I
think
that's
a
good
idea,
because
I
my
senses
areas
member,
would
have
different
thoughts
about
it.
I
don't
know
who's
looked
at
the
bylaws
recently
or
not,
but.
E
B
I'm,
sorry,
can
people
see
me
West,
yeah
I
can
be
seen,
I'm
sorry,
my
screen
froze
and
I
was
not
sure
if
I
was
being
seen
so
I
missed,
I
think
I
might
have
missed
the
last
part
of
your
comment
about
it.
H
B
H
B
H
B
Okay,
great
so
Andrea,
I
I,
don't
think
I've
ever
been
around
to
call
a
special
meeting.
So
in
order
to
set
up
a
special
meeting,
is
that
something
that
I
need
to
I
guess
maybe
do
I
need
to
ask
Andrea
and
commissioner,
would
you
be
able
to
assist
with
the
steps
for
doing
this?
This
is
gonna,
be
bad.
A
And
this
is
Andrea,
absolutely
I,
don't
believe
there
are
any
particular
you
don't
need
to
take
a
vote
or
establish
a
committee
I.
Don't
believe
you
have
to
do
anything
like
that.
You
and
I
can
just
connect
offline
about
the
date
and
time
that
you
want
it
to
be,
and
then
we'll
get
it
publicly
noticed
and
and
send
the
link
to
everybody.
M
M
There
is
a
chatter
for
our
department
in
City
Hall
there
is
State
legislation
for
disability
commissions
and
there's
you
know
some
revisions
to
the
the
state
law
and
then
also
there
is
just
some
background
that
I
can
give
everybody
like
a
similar
to
what
I
said
earlier,
but
also
we're
meeting
with
the
law
Department
to
try
to
get
clarity,
so
I
would
suggest
scheduling
the
meeting
a
little
bit
out
so
that
we
can
have
time
to
do
this
research
before.
M
B
E
H
Somebody
from
the
Department
join
us
at
the
meeting.
If
it
appears
that
you
know
they're
going
to
be
legal
issues,
it
sounds
like
you
need
to
be
kind
of
complicated.
B
B
I
do
see
another
hand
up,
but
I
think
is
going
to
be
our
last
comment
because
we
want
to
leave
time
for
public
input.
Okay,
so
Jerry
I
think
you
have
a
comment.
I
see
your
hands.
N
Yes,
thank
you,
Wes
and
I
will
make
this
short
when
we
did
when
we
did
discuss
drafting
a
letter
to
governor
elect
Healy.
We
also
discussed
drafting
a
similar
letter
to
incoming
attorney
general
Campbell.
I
was
unable
to
to
work
on
work
on
that
draft.
N
So
that's
why
yeah
that's
why
I
I
didn't
fooling
anything
over
to
Andrea
or
to
U.S
to
look
at,
but
that
is
another
piece
of
old
business
that
we
we
had
discussed
and
said
that
we
would
would
work
on
so
again,
coming
up
with
the
process
and
and
and
whatnot
I
think
is,
is
Paramount.
B
G
Sorry
I
was
just
having
trouble
with
you.
The
around
the
archive
Riders
Transportation
access
group
will
be
having
there's
a
meeting
that
was
originally
going
to
take
place
in
November,
and
it's
had
to
be
bumped
along
it'll,
take
place
in
late
January
about
safety
and
communication
involving
ride
vehicles
and
I.
Believe
that's
going
to
be
Thursday.
G
The
26th
at
5
30
pm
I'll
double
check
that
because
I
see
it's
not
posted
on
the
website
of
our
tags
website
at
the
moment,
but
it
is
a
meeting
I've
mentioned
before
it
will
be
happening
at
the
end
of
January
and
then
anyone
who's
involved
in
the
November
11th
issues
that
happen.
I
know
it
feels
the
concerns.
O
Okay,
so
I
I
know
we
have.
O
Officer
we
have
members,
excuse
me,
we
have
members
here,
we
have
officers
here
as
well,
we've
been
through
our
agenda,
and
so
we
have
public
input
and
we
have
opened
the
floor
at
this
point
to
see.
If
there
are
any
comments
or
questions
from
the
public,
please
feel
free
to
raise
your
hand.
P
Hi,
thank
you
for
giving
me
time.
I
want
to
just
share
our
experience
with
Boston
Public,
School
transportation
and
issues
we've
had.
My
name
is
Jim
Elliott
I'm,
the
parent
of
a
four-year-old
daughter,
with
spina
bifida,
a
neurological
tube
defect
that
affects
her
Mobility,
bowel
and
bladder,
and
bladder
functions
and
other
systems
because
of
her
limited
use
of
legs
below
the
hips.
Josephine
is
a
full-time
wheelchair
user
and
she
also
needs
to
be
catheterized.
Every
three
to
four
hours.
P
Jojo
was
placed
at
the
Josiah
Quincy
Elementary
School
in
Chinatown,
during
her
transition
to
BPS
from
early
intervention
December
of
2021
and
as
guaranteed
door-to-door
transportation
in
her
individualized
education
plan.
This
is
a
service
that
our
family
depends
on
to
safely,
get
our
daughter
to
and
from
our
home
in
Roslindale
on
the
daily
basis.
P
We
love
her
placement
at
jqes,
teachers
have
been
wonderful,
nursing,
nursing
staff
is
very
attentive
and
Josephine
makes
it
welcomes
with
multiple
trips.
She
must
take
with
the
nurses
each
day
and
her
occupational
and
physical
therapists
have
all
been
great,
but
since
April
break
of
2022
Josephine's
afternoon,
bus
service
hasn't
has
intermediately
been
without
a
driver
to
cover
her
room.
This
is
due
to
the
process
of
how
the
bus
routes
are
covered
from
our
understanding.
If
a
bus
route
is
uncovered,
the
route
goes
out
to
bid
from
to
the
other
bus
drivers.
P
This
whole
process
has
caused
and
continues
to
cause
many
issues
for
families
and
special
education.
Students,
like
our
daughter
I,
would
like
to
present
the
issues
that
our
family
has
had
to
deal
with
within
her
first
year
in
BPS,
overall
we've
had
an
abhorrent
Communications
with
Boston
public
schools
at
a
system
level,
when
our
daughter,
when
our
daughter's
boss
is
uncovered,
we
receive
an
automated
text,
letting
us
know
that
the
route
is
uncovered.
P
We
have
received
this
text
anywhere
between
1
30
pm
and
as
late
as
308
pm,
the
Pre-K
classes
in
her
School
dismiss
at
3
45
pm
as
a
family
of
a
work
of
two
working
parents
with
a
second
child
in
daycare
and
Joe
Joe
attending
school.
That
is
35
minutes
away
without
traffic.
This
makes
planning
very
difficult
as
we
need
to
quickly
make
proper
arrangements
with
our
jobs.
P
To
pick
her
up,
we
have
tried
to
address
the
transportation
department,
but
when
we
call
the
hotline
we
have
to
wait
on
an
average
of
45
minutes
before
we
can
speak
to
anyone
and
we
have
to
follow
up
with
them
multiple
times
on
the
first
day
of
school.
This
year,
when
we
were
notified,
there
was
no
afternoon
driver
and
multiple
calls
to
the
transportation
department.
We
did
receive
a
call
back,
however,
that
came
at
6
30
PM,
asking
if
our
child
was
home
or
if
she
still
needed
a
ride.
P
Please
keep
in
mind
that
our
daughter
is
four
years
old
and
with
time
sensitive
medical
needs,
the
driver
was
eventually
assigned
to
Jojo's
busroom,
but
only
after
we
had
to
escalate
the
case
through
the
China
command,
including
speaking
with
these
assistants,
superintendent
and
special
education,
director
of
Transportation,
the
BPS
ombuds
woman
and
eventually
superintendent
Mary
Skipper
on
her
first
week
on
the
job.
This
inconsistency
affects
our
daughters
in
numerous
ways.
P
Emotionally,
the
inconsistency
of
her
Transportation
Arrangements
confuses
our
daughter
and
causes
her
to
get
emotional
at
dismissal,
as
she
does
not
know
how
she's
getting
home-
and
this
is
not
just
for
one
day
but
has
gone
on
for
weeks
at
a
time
causing
her
to
cry
while
waiting
for
bus
and
at
home.
This
also
affects
her
blood,
bowel
and
bladder
management
process.
The
latest
she's
catheterized
at
school
is
3
30
pm
and
on
a
normal
day
she
will
be
home
around
5
PM.
P
P
If
she's
not
catheterized,
she
can
cause
a
slew
of
health
problems,
including
UTIs
and
kidney
issues.
Recent
testing
revealed
scarring
of
both
kidneys,
which
makes
consistency
in
her
catheterization
schedule,
even
more
important,
she's,
also
on
a
bowel
regimen,
which
takes
over
an
hour
every
other
night
and
delays
in
her
transportation
affect
this
timing,
as
well
as
delaying
her
dinner
and
cutting
into
her
time
with
family.
Since
the
beginning
of
this
Academic
Year,
we
have
run
into
two
new
safety
issues.
The
first
has
been
at
least
twice.
P
O
Jim,
this
is
West
I'm.
Sorry
to
interrupt
you,
I
really
apologize.
This
is
very
compelling
and
important.
Unfortunately,
our
meeting
ends
at
7
30..
So
I
really
appreciate
you
sharing
all
of
your
comments,
it's
very
important
to
us
on
behalf
of
the
commission
and
the
board.
We
are
very
we're
very
interested
in
hearing
about
this.
It's
a
very
important
issue
and
we
know
that
it's
kind
of
a
mess.
You
are
not
the
only
family
who
has
been
affected
by
the
bus
driver
shortages
and,
what's
going
on
with
transportation,
to
BPS.
O
Unfortunately,
the
mayor's
office
already
has
a
contract,
and
the
board
is
aware
of
this
issue.
It
has
been
ongoing
and
we
are
very
hopeful
that,
with
our
advocacy
we
can,
we
can
hopefully
address
this
and
get
a
new
contract
for
services
starting
for
next
year.
O
O
O
M
Hi,
it's
the
commissioner,
can
I
suggest
Jim.
Would
you
like
to
give
me
a
call
or
email
me
your
comments
and
we
can
talk
to
us
through
a
little
bit
more
I'll,
be
in
the
office
tomorrow.
P
Absolutely
can
you
send
me
your
email
and
I
can
email
you
the
entire
speech
that
I
had
written
up.
So
you
can
see
the
other
safety
issues
that
have
become
more
relevant,
especially
at
the
end
of
November,
leading
into
early
December,
and
there
are
really
important
safety
issues.
M
O
This
is
Wes,
Charlie
I,
see
your
hand
up,
did.
F
Yeah,
just
really
quick
I
know
that
we
I
think
it's
important
that
Mr
Elliott
submits
his
comments
for
public
comment
that
somebody
from
the
commission
follows
up
with
them,
because
I
think
the
background
was
specifically
to
give
context
around
specifically
when
we
talk
about
disabilities
and
accessibility.
F
I,
understand
that
there's
a
contract
that
has
to
be
signed
but
I,
think
a
part
of
advocacy
is
educating
all
departments
on
what
what
is
going
on
and
second
I
think
we.
We
really
need
to
dig
into
procedures
and
timing.
This
is
we
do
run
over
and
I'm
new.
However,
if
if
we
do
have
technical
difficulties
that
run
into
the
time,
I
think
there
should
be
some
sort
of
mechanism
is
it
the?
Is
it
the
clock
that
determines
the
actual
meeting
or
is
it
the
actual
time
that
we
are
working?
F
You
know,
for
instance,
this
is
supposed
to
be
a
two-hour
meeting
at
about
an
hour
and
a
half.
Does
that
mean
that
it's
an
hour
and
a
half,
even
if
we
have
a
half
hour
of
technical
difficulties
or
whatever
so
I,
think
it's
important
that
that
we
possibly
dig
into
that
too,
because
it
seems
like
we're
going
to
be
getting
into
some
pretty
big
issues
coming
into
the
next
year
and
other
presenters.
That
would
run
over
time
if
we're
not
managing
the
time
properly.
F
O
This
is
Wes.
Thank
you.
Charlie
I
appreciate
you
bringing
that
up.
What
I
would
suggest
to
is
to
add
that
to
new
business
for
the
January
or
February
meeting.
O
A
D
N
Jerry
I
will
second,
but.
O
I
also
think
I
also,
second
yeah
I
want
to
thank
everyone.
I
want
to
say,
happy
holidays
to
you
all.
We
will
see
you
next
year,
stay
safe
and
stay
healthy.
Thank
you
very
much
for
your
time
tonight.
We
are
adjourned.