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Description
City of Boston Licensing Board - Violation Hearing - 04/12/2022
A
Okay,
I
believe
we
are
all
set
good
morning.
This
is
an
informational
hearing
before
the
licensing
board
for
the
city
of
boston.
Today
is
tuesday
april
12
2022..
Today's
hearing
is
being
held
pursuant
to
temporary
amendments
to
the
open
meeting
law.
That
is
what
allows
us
to
read.
Virtually
today's
hearing
will
be
recorded
and
posted
to
the
city
of
boston
website.
Before
I
review
the
procedure
for
this
morning's
informational
hearing,
I
will
introduce
chairman
gatlin
joyce.
A
B
A
A
Further,
the
board
has
requested
advance
notice
anytime,
a
promoter
will
be
engaged
by
the
licensee.
The
reopening
plan,
as
requested
by
the
board,
is
the
subject
of
this
morning's
informational
hearing.
I
would
like
to
give
the
licensee
an
opportunity
to
walk
the
board
through
their
submitted
plan
by
way
of
opening
remarks,
at
which
point
I
will
then
turn
it
over
to
the
commissioners
and
representatives
of
the
boston
police
department
for
any
questions
they
might
have
about.
The
proposed
plan,
who
is
present
on
behalf
of
the
licensee
this
morning.
C
C
We
had
submitted
a
a
plan,
a
reopening
plan
to
you
and
if
I
can
run
through
that
for
you
and
then
I'd
like
to
introduce
the
other
folks
and
let
them
answer
questions
and
go
through
it
with
you
in
more
detail
if
that
works.
For
you,
the
first
thing
we
did
alex
mata
hired
abraham
hale
approximately
a
month
ago
and
with
the
sole
purpose
of
having
him
come
in
hiring
him
as
a
manager
to
come
in
and
to
help
with
the
reopening
plan.
Abraham
is
an
individual.
C
That's
been
in
the
business
for
past
10
to
15
years.
His
family
owns
a
restaurant
bar
over
in
somerville.
That
he's
worked
out
for
the
past
10
years.
He
also
has
a
an
extensive
background
in
promoting
and
dealing
with
promoters
within
the
boston
and
the
and
the
ensuing
surrounding
areas.
C
Abraham
is
36
years
old,
has
a
young
son
and
has
been
a
great
help
and
has
been
a
good
resource
for
us
in
terms
of
putting
a
plan
in
place.
The
plan
involves
opening,
starting
with
thursdays
to
sunday
nights
and
we'll
use
private
events
and
monday
to
wednesday
would
be.
You
know
different
events
that
come
through
that
are
private
events
that
we
deal
with
the
staff
hiring
has
been
done.
A
lot
of
the
internal
staff.
That's
here
are
people
that
have
been
here
in
the
past.
C
We've
talked
to
them
at
length.
We
have
meetings
set
up
in
the
next
couple
of
days
to
put
everybody
together
to
go
over
our
opening
plan
and
to
talk
about
some
of
the
some
of
the
issues
and
some
of
obviously
what
we
expect
and
what
the
board
expects
for
us
to
be
able
to
run
a
safe
and
enjoyable
establishment
for
the
employees
and
for
our
our
patrons
the
process
for
rehiring
had
to
do
with
interviewing
the
hires,
most
of
whom
we
knew.
We
did
background
checks
on
everybody.
C
We
did
not
cory
the
bartenders
we
at
this
time.
We
didn't
do
that.
There
is
been
some
conversation
about
doing
that.
We
have
done
it
for
our
managers,
so
we
know
that
we
know
that
there
are
no
records
and
they're
clear.
We
do
training,
do
the
tips
training
for
all
of
our
all
of
our
employees
that
come
in
the
service
and
the
bartenders,
and
then
we
do
a
training
issue
and
talk
about
greeting
customers.
C
How
we
deal
with
the
customers
and
the
big
issue,
obviously
is
de-escalation
understanding
and
trying
to
see
and
know
when
there's
an
issue
or
a
potential
issue,
that's
going
to
come
and
to
talk
to
management
have
management,
get
security,
bring
security
over.
Let
them
deal
with
the
patrons.
C
Let
them
deal
with
them,
obviously,
in
a
in
a
friendly
as
as
best
manner
as
we
can
to
make
sure
that
we
can
de-escalate
anything.
That
may
be
a
potential
problem
that
we're
having
they
have
been
extensively
talked
to
and
will
continue
to
be
talked
about
cooperating
with
police
and
making
sure
that,
in
the
event
that
there
is
any
issue
of
the
potential
issue
that
we
see
that
we're
calling
the
police
now.
I
know
that
was
an
issue
that
the
board
had
for
the
last
incident
that
we
just
had.
C
That
was
there
a
possibility
had
we
called
the
police
earlier
that
we
could
have
prevented
the
stabbing
that
happened
outside
between
the
patrons.
So
that
is
something
that
we've
gone
over
and
we'll
continue
to
go
over
and
anticipate
making
sure
that
the
police
are
involved
immediately
to
help
us.
If
we
have
to
help
need
help
in
de-escalating
a
situation
that
we
aren't
able
to
take
care
of
ourselves.
C
All
we
think
will
be
a
problem
for
any
customers
and
customers
outside
security
is
obviously
a
big
issue
and
a
big
problem
that
that
that
we
wanted
to
address
and
alex
and
abraham
went
outside
to
to
check
with
a
security
company,
and
they
did
so
a
lot
of
research
and
had
some
past
workings
with
a
company
called
the
merrigard
protective
services
it's
over
in
everett
mass.
C
They
do
a
lot
of
business
in
the
boston
area
in
the
everett
area
in
the
areas
around
surrounding
boston.
They
abraham
can
talk
to
you
more
about
this,
but
he's
had
of
five
or
six
meetings
with
them.
They've
been
to
the
establishment.
C
We've
talked
about
properly
securing
all
of
the
doors
and
all
the
areas
that
we
have
and
putting
enough
personnel
security
personnel
that
have
good
experience
that
are
able
to
identify
and
keep
an
eye
on
and
make
sure
that
we
can
run
a
safe
establishment
and
make
sure
we
can
keep
the
customers.
You
know
doing
what
they're
supposed
to
be
doing,
having
a
good
time
as
opposed
to
opposed
to
having
any
conflicts
or
fights
amerigod
does
quarry
checks
on
all
of
their
employees.
C
We've
checked
that
to
make
sure
that
that
was
not
going
to
be
an
issue.
So
they're
well
aware
of
any
background
issues
that
may
or
may
not
have
they
do
a
good
job
in
terms
of
hiring
people
with
no
records
they
try
to
they
pride
themselves
in
that
one
of
the
principles
of
the
company
is
they
form
a
police
officer
and
has
extensive
experience
with
that?
C
Abraham
could
talk
more
about
that
about
staffing,
we're
anticipating
having
seven
security
staff
at
the
doors.
We
have
two
different
doors
that
we
use
and
you
know
inside
and
different
in
different
areas
of
the
venue
security
cameras.
We
have
an
extensive
security
system.
We've
had
some
issues
with
it.
We
have
replaced
that
and
put
some
new
stuff
in
here.
C
C
He
is
really
the
guy
that
knows
the
security
system
inside
now
and
has
the
ability
to
pull
up
all
the
different
cameras
that
we
have.
We
had
prior
last
year,
the
year
before
we
liked
a
lot
of
talks
with
boston
police,
because
we
added
cameras
outside
on
linden
street.
That
has
been
very
helpful
to
the
police
for
other
incidents
that
have
happened
so
we're
making
sure
we've
got
that
all
lined
up.
C
We
haven't
had
a
problem
with
weapons
in
the
establishment.
Our
problem
that
historically
has
been
that
people
when
they
get
outside
that's
when
people
have
been
coming
and
getting
this
last
incident,
somebody
got
a
gun.
We
assume
out
of
that
car,
we're
not
sure
where
it
came
from,
but
obviously
we'll
do
the
best
we
can
for
the
people
that
we
know
are
in
the
establishment
and
outside
we're
going
to
monitor
outside
the
parking
lot,
which
is
a
big
big
part
of
this.
C
But
if
we
have
any
issues-
and
we
think
there
are
issues
even
if
they
didn't
turn
into
an
issue
out
inside
and
we
see
people
leaving
that
we
have
any
question
about
we're
going
to
pay
attention
to
that.
We're
going
to
keep
an
eye
on
that
for
people
that
leave
our
establishment
and
that
are
returning
shortly
thereafter.
To
make
sure
there
is
no
issue
and
we
can
avoid
having
a
conflict
that
may
have
arisen
or
may
have
been
from
somebody
seeing
somebody
that
they
had
a
problem
with.
C
C
So
we'd
like
to
give
also
we'll
send
in
abraham
hale's
number,
because
we
expect
him
to
be
at
the
establishment,
one
of
our
main
main
managers
and
we'll
give
his
number
and
alex
shapiro's
number.
Also
we'll
be
there
all
the
time
and
I'd
like
to
at
this
point
open
open
up
the
questions
so
that
you
can
hear
from
or
you
can
ask
questions
of,
of
abraham
or
alex
regarding
the
issues
that
I
just
brought
forward
for
you.
A
B
You
and
bear
with
me,
while
I
try
to
wrap
my
head
around
the
list
of
employees
you
submitted
and
who's
joined
us
today,
you
don't
have
alex
matov
listed
on
the
list
of
employees.
However,
he
is
the
manager
record.
Is
that
correct.
C
B
On
this
operations
plan
correct
and
he's
not,
but
can
you
describe
alex
for
me
what
you
understand
your
role
with
the
in
your
organization
and
your
responsibilities,
to
your
patrons
and
to
your
fellow
customers,
members
of
the
public.
D
Yes,
of
course,
thank
you
great
for
introducing
hello
to
everybody.
We
have
the
club,
the
I'm
sorry.
The
establishment
has
been
functioning
for
past
close
to
12
years,
a
little
more
than
that
and
over
the
years
we
thought
that
we've
done
our
job
well
and
obviously,
sometimes
we
have
situations
like
this
arise
and
we
need
to
create
a
plan
of
correction
and
make
sure
that
we
are
fully
bored
with
all
the
issues
that
we
have
had
happen
and
we
are
addressing
them
in
the
right
way.
D
Obviously,
the
safety,
our
patrons
are
the
most
and
out
most
important
thing.
What
we
have
noticed
for
the
past
throughout
the
past
incident
that
we
had
a
poor
communication
with
the
district
14
police
department,
and
this
is
going
to
be
improved,
the
security
situation
is
going
to
have
to
be
improved
as
well.
This
is
why
we
have
changed
the
security
company
that
we
have
worked
with
and
continue
doing,
a
good
service
for
people
and
creating
good
environment
for
our
veterans.
B
Okay,
so
I'd
like
I'd
like
one
of
the
things
that
I
think
we
need
to
see
on
the
security
and
operations
plan
is
alex's
name
and
his
role
within
the
list
of
employees
and
alex.
You
understand
that,
at
the
end
of
the
day,
it's
your
name
on
the
license
and
you
are
ultimately
responsible
to
make
for
making
sure
that
all
the
rules
and
regulations
of
the
board
in
the
abcc
in
the
laws
of
the
commonwealth
are
adhered
to.
B
D
He's
a
security
person
and,
along
with
his
number
of
and
he's
easily
reachable
and
he's
as
well,
been
in
contact
with
the
various
police
departments
in
boston,
he's
been
supplying
and
working
with
them
on
the
civilians,
including
our
own
surveillance.
We
have
been
providing
footages
for
not
just
for
the
establishment,
but
for
other
needs
of
these
cameras
on
linden
street
and
other
ones
that
will
be
requested
in
police.
D
B
So
he's
the
one
that
was
responsible
for
saving
video
in
the
past,
okay,
so
there's
two
managers,
alexander
shapiro
and
abraham
hale,
who
looks
like
they've
joined
us
today
too,
and
then
you
list
bartenders,
comma
servers,
comma
and
bar
backs
not
really
broken
down.
So
I'd
like
that
further
broken
down,
then
you
have
four
promoters,
so
there's
no
list
of
doormen
or
bouncers.
So
should
we
assume
that
you're
outsourcing
that
to
secure
to
your
security
operations
that
you
consulted
with.
D
The
new
manager
that
we've
been
working
on
all
those
policies
for
the
past
month
for
the
reopening
plan,
he
has
been
intensely
involved
with
the
security
company-
that's
been
with
us
for
the
past
month
and
already
six
times
on
the
premises
abraham.
Would
you
like
to
step
in.
E
Yes,
thanks
alex
hello
board,
hello
kathleen.
My
name
is
abraham
hill.
Currently,
the
security
company
isn't
on
the
phone
with
us
today,
but
I've
had
extensive
meetings
with
them.
Like
alex
and
kurt
explained,
I've
had
them
come
to
the
venue
for
over
five
times.
B
So
so,
can
you
explain
to
me
how
you
vetted
and
hired
the
security
company.
E
Yes,
so
when
working
with
alex
and
the
russian
banana
society,
I
assessed
a
few
things.
One
of
the
things
I
assessed
was
security.
My
main
goal
was
to
find
a
security
company
that
prioritized
de-escalation
prioritize,
the
safety
of
all
the
patrons
that
would
be
coming
into
the
venue,
understanding
that
creating
an
environment
that
is
accepting
and
also
not
hostile
once
entering
the
venue
was
extremely
important.
I
assessed
about
four
different
companies.
E
I
also
assessed
the
company
that
we
currently
had
in
place
and
after
doing
that,
I
was
able
to
come
to
a
an
agreement
with
amerigot
and
with
the
understanding
that
they
were
the
best
security
company
for
us
to
enable
to
put
in
a
plan
that
would
have
de-escalation
as
a
priority
priority
and
then
also
to
ensure
that
everybody
that
works
for
them.
E
One
is
query,
checked,
which
is
very
important
for
us
is
to
ensure
that
all
of
the
guards
that
would
be
working
on
premises
do
have
a
clean
quarry
and
also
that
the
head
person
that
runs
the
company,
which
his
name
is
gerald
hagerty,
is
former
police.
So
his
understanding
and
knowledge
of
how
to
work
with
the
police,
his
understanding
that
it's
very
important
that
anytime
police
is
involved,
that
his
staff
is
to
be
very
cooperative.
E
These
are
things
that
didn't
happen
before
and
that
we
want
to
ensure
does
happen
going
forward
when
working
with,
whether
it
be
the
board
or
security.
B
So
abraham
you're
so
you're
the
contact
for
the
security.
How
do
you
manage
and
monitor?
You
know
this
contracted
companies,
training
of
their
staff?
How
do
you,
how
do
you
ensure
that
they
are
following
the
rules
and
regulations
of
your
company.
E
Yep,
so
on
the
plan
I
have
in
place
is
essentially
on
a
nightly
basis.
E
We
will
be
bringing
everyone
together
prior
to
opening
and
when
I
say
everyone
I
mean
the
security
staff
and
also
the
the
waitresses,
the
bar
backs,
the
promoters
and
the
also
the
bartenders
essentially
have
nightly
meetings
constantly
letting
them
know.
Okay,
everybody
we
were
gonna
be
opening
tonight.
Here
are
the
things
that
we
always
seem
to
look
out
for
here,
the
things
that
we
need
to
make
sure
we
stress.
De-Escalation,
we
need
to
stress
an
environment
when
people
come
in
and
they're
it's
not
hostile.
E
We
need
to
address
preventative
measures
to
make
sure
that
anytime,
any
anybody
comes
into
this
establishment.
If
you
see
any
conflict
make
sure
to
address
the
conflict,
first,
don't
allow
the
conflict
to
escalate,
so
we
will
be
having
nightly
meetings
with
all
staff.
B
Okay,
so
that's
that's
the
the
problem.
One
of
the
problems
we
run
in
with
places
you
contract
with
the
security
company
and
they're
not
considered
employees
by
you,
so.
B
E
E
E
He's
the
owner
of
the
the
the
company
he's
one
of
the
people
I
spoke
to.
I
also
spoke
to
his
main
point
person.
His
name
is
angel.
Ortiz
he's
been
with
the
company
for
over
10
years.
He
will
be
on
site
every
night
as
well,
and
so.
E
B
And
then
you
are
the
person
from
the
garage
that
works
with
this
manager,
I'm
trying
to
understand
and
to
help
you
articulate
the
relationship
between
your
security
staff,
who
are
contractors
and
not
technical
definition
of
an
employee
and
the
employees
here,
because,
ultimately,
the
responsibility
is
the
garage
to
ensure
that
your
patrons
are
safe.
Whether
or
not
you
you
contract
out
with
a
security
company,
it's
not.
F
A
C
B
B
Now
we
could
follow
up
with.
In
writing.
I
want
to
get
to
some
more
questions
I
have.
I
don't
know
if
this
is
for
alex
or
for
abraham
or
for
you
attorney
bledsoe.
But
what
are
the
standards
for
terminating
an
employee.
B
E
Yeah
I
can,
I
can
make
an
example:
we've
already
actually
terminated
one
of
the
employees
based
off
of
their
communication.
Prior
to
with,
with
the
past
incident,
that
happened
with
the
police
officers.
We
ended
up
terminating
an
employee,
mainly
because
she
was
the
one
of
the
points
of
contention
with
the
police
where
she
wasn't
being
cooperative.
E
She
was
exasperating
the
whole
situation
where
it
could
have
been
easily
solved
so
after
discussion
with
alex
and
also
with
alexander
who
was
on
premise
at
that
night
of
the
incident
and
assessing
what
happened.
We
ended
up
terminating
that
specific
employee
because
she
clearly
didn't
follow
the
guidelines
that
we
wanted
to
work
with
moving
forward.
So
that's
just
an
example
of
a
termination
of
employee
and
what
we
most
likely
do
going
forward
as
well.
B
Okay-
and
I've
probably
said
this
to
people
on
this
call
before
and
other
hearings,
but
the
role
of
security
and
bouncers
or
doormen
is
not
just
to
look
for
intoxicated
patrons
and
to
id
people.
It's
to
ensure
the
people
ensure
the
safety
of
people
as
they
enter
your
premise,
but
also
as
they
exit
it.
B
So
I
would
like
some
more
information
about
what
your
policy
is,
or
perhaps
ameriguard's
policy
is,
as
far
as
ejecting
someone
from
your
premise,
how
many
people
are
involved
in
that
sort
of
situation,
sat
staff
and
security
and
what
you,
how
you,
as
a
manager
or
abraham
as
the
contact
for
merigard,
what
you
articulate
to
the
security
company.
That
then
goes
to
employees
about
about
the
behavior
that
you
expect
when
someone
is
ejected,
whether
it's
for
any
reason.
E
Yeah,
so
after
bringing
a
merry
guard
to
the
premise
a
couple
of
times,
we
spoke
about
how
they
would
be
placed
in
the
in
the
actual
facility
and
then
also
how
they're
going
to
communicate
with
each
other
while
they're
in
the
facility
and
how
they
would
operate
anytime.
There
is
a
conflict
so,
while
going
in
there,
there
are
essentially
going
to
be
six
guards
within
the
actual
premise,
while
being
in
in
the
premises
inside
they
all
will
have
walkie-talkies
on
during
the
evening.
E
They
also
all
have
essentially
hand
signals
anytime,
they
they're
all
going
to
be
an
eye
soc
site
of
each
other,
so
they
will
all
be
able
to
see
each
other
and
anytime.
There
is
any
type
of
point
of
contention.
They
all
have
their
hand
signals
to
essentially
go
to
where
the
point
of
contention
is.
We
have
made
it
clear
that
they
are
not
to
touch
anybody
unless
two
things
happen,
one
they
are
physically
touched
by
a
patron.
E
At
that
point,
they
would
just
restrain
that
patron
and
then
exit
them
from
the
property
or
to
if
a
patron
is
trying
to
or
is
in
the
act
of
actually
physically
trying
to
touch
someone
at
that
point.
There
would
be
a
two
security
guards
on
each
arm,
essentially
restraining
them.
There
will
be
security
guard
behind
them
as
well,
and
then
there
would
also
be
myself
and
another
security
guard
in
front
of
them
exiting
out
of
the
property.
So
that's
in
terms
of
our
ejecting
someone
as
you
call
it
from
the
property.
E
That's
what
we'll
be
doing.
The
reason
why
there
would
be
someone
in
front
and
behind
is
just
in
case
any
of
the
other
patrons
try
to
get
involved
while
exiting
them.
They
will
be
there
to
essentially
prevent
them
from
causing
any
more
escalations.
So
that's
that's.
Essentially
the
plan
for
exiting
someone
from
the
actual
premises.
B
Okay,
I
I
think
I
read
in
the
reopening
plan
that
you
have
a
standing
order
for
police
detail.
E
Yeah,
so
I
went
down
to
d14
the
the
brian
austin
headquarters.
Essentially,
and
I
introduced
myself,
I
essentially
told
them
that
I'll
be
one
of
the
managers
at
garage.
We
are
working
with
the
city
licensing
board
to
reopen.
I
essentially
explain
to
them
that
we
are
looking
to
have
a
police
detail
every
single
night
that
we
have
an
event.
You
know
they.
They
did
say
that
that's
probably
unrealistic,
but
I
said
regardless,
if
it's
realistic
or
not,
I'm
going
to
put
in
the
request.
E
I
understand
that
it's
a
four
hour
minimum.
I
think
I
put
two
hours
there,
but
since
doing
that,
I
I
have
gained
knowledge
that
it's
a
four-hour
minimum
to
have
someone
on
staff,
which
we
were
more
than
fine
with.
We
were
more
than
happy
to
pay
for
it
because
our
goal
and
what
we
understand
is
you
know
we
have
a
large
facility.
Even
though
we
have
an
indoor
facility.
We
also
have
a
walkway.
We
have
an
outside
facility
and
we
also
have
a
parking
lot.
E
So
it's
very
large,
our
our
establishment
and
us
requesting
police
detail
is
something
we
want
to
put
in
place
and
we're
happy
to
take
the
burden
of
cost,
because
all
we
care
about
is
are
the
safety
of
our
patrons.
We
understand
that
reopening
you
know.
Safety
is
a
main
priority
for
everybody,
and
if
people
aren't
safe,
they
can't
come
to
our
facility.
We
can't
operate
so
that's
why
we
will
be
putting
in
a
request
for
police
detail
every
time
we
do
an
event.
B
Okay,
I
appreciate
that,
but
I
also
want
to
emphasize
that
the
request
for
police
detail
is
not
a
guarantee
that
you'll
get
a
police
detail
yep
and
that
they're
there
for
your
assistance,
but
you
probably
won't
be
aware
of
whether
or
not
that
detail
has
been
picked
up
until
the
night
of
for
anyone
who
is
part
of
the
organization
that
was
here
before.
Did
you
request
police
details
before
this.
D
B
I
want
to
emphasize
that
we're
aware
of
that:
it's
not
enough,
they
requested
it
and
it
should
they
should
they
be
filled.
It's
still
not
enough
to
to
not,
you
know,
cooperate
as
far
as
securing
operations.
The
police
are
stretched
very
thin.
So
that's.
Why
places
that
that
actually
take
up
a
lot
of
police
resources
and
responses
to
things
you
know
can
sometimes
be
seen
as
a
burden
in
the
neighborhood.
B
B
You
should
have
enough
security
internally
to
be
able
to
cover
your
issues
as
a
licensed
premise.
So
speaking
of
security
in
cameras,
there's
been
testimony
in
the
past
that
some
of
your
security
cuts
out
or
you
know,
is
edit,
perhaps
not
a
complete
clip
of
the
video.
I
think
you
know
what
I'm
talking
about.
B
G
B
Should
they
be
written
up
for
a
violation,
and
it
is
not
going
to
be
sufficient
that
the
video
footage
is
not
has
not
been
saved,
that
the
video
footage
is
not
complete
or
that
the
video
footage
for
whatever
reason
skips
out
on
the
very
important
part
that
perhaps
the
police,
the
licensing
board,
is
looking
into
so
who,
on?
This
call,
can
speak
to
your
current
practices,
your
past
practices
and
how
you
plan
on
improving
them.
As
far
as
retaining
video
footage.
C
C
We
have
an
extensive
system
around
the
whole
building
that
joe
has
built
and
rebuilt
and
he's
rebuilt
it
again.
We
had
no
answer
for
why
it
skipped
out
the
last
time
it
happened
to
skip
out,
obviously
at
the
most
opportune
time,
but
joe's
the
only
person
that
touches
that
that
video
joe's
the
only
person
that
has
access
to
that
video
nobody
else
has
access
to
the
video
with
the
ability
to
do
anything
other
than
let
it
run
as
it
runs.
C
It's
locked
upstairs
up
in
the
office
buildings
that
it's
not
something
that
the
staff
uses
not
even
something
that
any
of
the
management
uses,
because
it's
it's
it's
beyond
their
capacity
to
deal
with
it,
but
joe
has
looked
at
that
has
tried
to
figure
out
what
happened.
I
believe
we've
already
gotten
the
we
gave
our
entire
see
our
entire
system
to
the
bpd.
C
We
actually
took
the
whole
whatever
you
want
to
call
it.
The
recorder
recorder
itself
out
for
them
to
analyze
it,
I'm
not
sure
whatever
came
up
of
that,
but
we
were
able
to.
I
think
we
got
it
back
already
alex
correct
and
joe
has
has
rebuilt,
and
I
know
he's
got
everything
back
up
and
moving
right
now,
we'll
have
everything
running.
D
It
was
an
intention
for
him
to
join,
but
if
we're
gonna
spend
more
time
right
now,
I
can
get
him
on
the
zoom
right
now.
If
we
want.
B
I
I
don't
know
if
the
other
commissioners
will
have
questions
about
security,
but
I
know
it's
been
a
constant
problem
here,
so
it
might
be.
Everyone's
best
needs
to
have
joe
joining
us
to
answer
the
questions
about
his
job.
D
But
to
add
to
what
has
kurt
vlasic
said?
We
have
added
cameras
over
the
years
and,
unfortunately,
when
incidents
do
happen,
we
constantly
run
into
the
blind
spots
or
even
situations
like
this,
where
we
think
it's
just
a
gvr
that
has
a
sequence
of
recording
and
I'm
not
well
versed
into
this.
But
joe
is
and
again
it's
an
improvement
in
this
improvement
process.
D
D
E
Kathleen
this
is
abraham.
I
did
want
to
say
that
I
spoke
to
joe,
and
I
told-
and
I
did
put
this
in
the
report-
that
it's
it's
going
to
be
imperative-
that
we
check
the
the
operations
of
the
security
cameras
on
a
weekly
basis
to
ensure
that,
prior
to
opening
on
that
weekend,
that
the
security
system
is
up
and
running
and
there
are
no
glitches
and
there
are
no
issues.
I'm
not
sure
if
that
was
done
in
the
past.
E
But
I
know
going
forward
that
will
be
mandatory
to
ensure
that
joe
makes
sure
that
the
security
system
is
working.
B
C
I'm
gonna
get
sorry,
I'm
gonna
have
joe
come
in
right
now,
I'll
be
right
in
okay.
B
In
the
meantime,
in
the
interest
of
time,
while
we
wait
for
joe
to
connect,
I'm
going
to
defer
reserve
my
right
to
ask
more
questions
but
defer
to
commissioner
curran
or
commissioner
saxon
to
begin
their
questions.
F
D
Correct
everybody,
everybody
writes
the
opening.
Everybody
will
be
going
through
the
curry
through
the
car.
By
the
way,
joe,
I
see
joe,
has
joined
us
if
we
do
have
any
questions
for
him.
F
To
as
far
as
the
preservation
of
the
the
video
as
the
the
chair
stated,
it's
not
in
the
security
plan.
So
even
if
you
have
a
the
videos
is
set
up
to
be
retained
for
30
days.
If
there's
any
incident,
it
should
be
just
simply
retained
for
as
long
as
it
is
useful.
C
C
B
Hi
joe
I'm
kathleen
joyce,
I'm
chair
of
the
board.
How
long
have
you
worked
at
the
garage.
H
Well,
I
don't
work
at
the
garage,
but
I
I
installed
this
security
system
and
of
the
surveillance
system
over
the
years
for
about
15
years,
for
these
tenants
of
these
customers
and
and
for
this
specific
instance
for
garage
lounge,
we
installed
that
probably
five
six
years
ago,
maybe.
B
B
How
would
you
describe
some
of
the
glitches
we've
heard
about
in
past
hearings
with
with
yeah.
H
Skips
so,
first
and
foremost,
I
do
want
to
say
that
I
I
understand
your
concern
with
any
kind
of
glitches.
I
was
actually
one
of
the
only
installers
for
the
boston
police
department
for
their
interrogation
software
and
I
understand
how
important
it
is
to
have
every
single
detail
of
video.
So
I
discussed
this
with
the
detectives
that
came
over
and
this
is
a
fairly
old
unit.
I
did
call
tech
support
and
they're
no
longer
supporting
of
the
wire
path,
dvr
recorders.
H
So
what
we
found
was
the
video
was
recording
and
it
would
go
along
and
then
it
would
skip
now.
Initially
this
skipped
for
close
to
three
minutes,
and
then
you
know
initially,
we
thought
maybe
somebody
had
caused
a
problem
with
the
cameras,
so
the
detectives
and
I
kind
of
looked-
and
we
found
other
instances
before
that,
like
the
day
before
the
day
before
that
at
all
random
times,
and
we
we
did
see
that
it
was
glitching
and
jumping.
H
Okay,
sorry,
so
we've
actually
turned
this
recorder
over
to
the
police
department
and
have
since
installed
a
cloud-based
cameras.
So
what
these
do
now
is
they
have
a
local
recorder
in
the
building
and
then
that
building
also
records
to
the
cloud.
So
that's
kind
of
the
way
the
new
technology
is
going
anyway.
The
old
of
standalone
recorders
with
physical,
hard
drives
in
them
are
starting
to
become
obsolete.
H
No
well,
we've
actually
took
that
recorder
out
and
the
police
department
had
that
recorder.
We
we
haven't
even
received
that
one
back.
We
we
installed
a
new
system,
so
this
new
system
has
a
local
recorder
there
and
then
records
to
the
cloud.
H
B
So
for
the
24
hour
contact
we
need
somebody
who
is
responsible
for
the
liquor
license
that
can
be
called
at
any
time.
Who
can
then
call
joe
and
say
joe?
We
have
an
incident
in
that
incident,
we're
requiring
you
to
hold
on
to
security,
I'm
not
calling
the
property
manager.
That's.
B
With
a
property
manager,
okay,
so
it
should
be
someone
who's
going
to
take
full
responsibility
for
anything
that
happens
inside.
B
B
B
I
need
to
make
a
crystal
clear:
it's
not
about
you
know,
deflecting
the
responsibility.
I
don't
think
the
property
manager
is
ultimately
responsible
for
what
happens
inside
a
licensed
premise.
You
are
alex.
Your
name
is
on
the
license.
We
need
to
be
able
to
get
in
touch
with
you
at
all
times.
It
has
been
our
our
experience
that
we
have
to
go
through
your
attorney
to
then
get
in
touch
with
you,
because
we
had
your
bookkeeper
or
your
accountant's
phone
number.
So
we
make
it
very
clear.
B
You
are
responsible
for
that
and
we
need
to
be
able
to
get
in
touch
with
you
at
all
time.
If
you
are
leaving
the
country
which
happens
at
other
licensed
premises,
we
need
to
know
who
we
can
get
in
touch
with.
It
is
definitely
not
the
landlord.
It
is
definitely
not
the
property
manager
interested
okay.
B
B
Okay,
commissioner,.
D
G
A
couple
I
and
some
of
it's
just
to
kind
of
jump
on
what
the
chairs
already
said,
but
this
question
of
the
independence
of
any
contractor.
G
I
think
you
guys
need
to
do
a
better
job
of
locking
down
that
you.
Ultimately,
when
they're
working
for
you
they're
under
your
management,
you
have
to
have
full
management
control
of
any
anybody
that
might
be
alleged
to
be
an
independent
contractor,
because
really
you
can't
have
independent
contractors,
you
can
have
contractors
who,
when
they
come
in,
are
under
your
full
control.
C
That
was,
and
that
was
one
of
the
main
reasons
we
took
america,
because
we
obviously
know
the
issues
that
we
had
last
time
and
they
understand
and
we'll
go
through
and
we'll
get
the
information
on
a
nightly
basis
as
to
who's
there,
but
the.
But
the
answer
is:
yes:
they
listen
to
what
we
say.
They
work
for
us
they're
under
our
umbrella
when
they
come
to
work
on
our
property.
We
know
we're
responsible
for
them
for
their
actions
when
we
hire
them
and
they
understand
it
was
one
of
the
things
we
made
perfectly
clear.
C
That
abraham
did
is
that
they
cooperate
with
us.
They
do
what
we
tell
them
when
the
police
come.
When
there's
any
issues
on
the
on
the
property,
they
don't
duck
and
hide
they
don't.
You
know,
do
their
own
thing
and
say
we
don't
work
for
you.
So
they
understand
that
we've
been
through
that
at
length.
G
Have
you
had
any
discussions
with
them
about
like
how
they're
going
to
staff
your
place?
Are
they
going
to
make
attempts
to
staff
your
place
with
consistent,
cruel
people
or
you're
going
to
get
people
night
after
night
week
after
week?
You
know
I
mean
it
seems
like
it
would
be
quite
chaotic
to
be
staffed
with
many
different
people
over
time
versus?
E
Yes,
so
I've
I've
actually
had
conversations
with
them
about
that,
because
it
is
important
to
me
to
have
a
consistent
security
personnel
and
not
to
have
constantly
overlapping
people,
so
they
he
ensured
that
the
people
that
will
be
working
on
premise
are
the
people
who
are
assigned
to
garage
or
crystal
city
with
garage
room.
The
the
main
point
of
contact
that
I
currently
have
angel
ortiz
will
be
there
on
a
nightly
basis.
That's
where
he
will
be
so.
E
He
did
make
it
clear
to
me
that
you
know
there
are
going
to
be
times
where
new
people
will
have
to
be
coming
on
board
because
of
everything
that
we're
working
with
through
covet
and
things
of
that
nature.
But
he
said,
since
that's
died
down
completely,
that
he
hasn't
had
call
outs.
These
people
are
are
ready
to
go
they're
ready
to
to
work,
and
I
told
them
one
of
the
most
important
things
is
to
have
consistent
people
coming,
because
I
don't
want
to
see
a
bunch
of
new
faces.
G
All
right
another
question
in
your
security
protocol:
it
says,
in
case
of
emergency
security
will
inform
the
staff
to
immediately
contact
authorities
that
looks
very
messy
to
me
one.
What
even
constitutes
an
emergency.
I
think
we
need
specifics
on
that.
We
want
to
lock
it
in.
G
What's
the
you
know,
what
is
the
potential
line
when
the
when
the
police
need
to
be
called
when
they
don't
and
then
security
will
inform
the
staff
security
is
the
staff
I
mean
if,
if
any
individual
who's
the
you
know
first
person
the
direct
person
dealing
with
the
issue
that
they're
able
to
they?
They
should
be
the
one
calling
the
police
that
they've
determined
it's
time
to
call
the
police.
G
This
you
know,
like
kind
of
running
up
any
kind
of
chains,
I
think,
is
a
recipe
for
you
know.
Miscommunication.
E
Yeah,
so
essentially,
what
I
put
in
there
was,
I
didn't,
want
my
bottle:
girls
or
any
of
the
waitresses
or
bartenders
to
be
the
one
handling
any
of
issue.
If
there
is
an
issue
with
the
patron,
I
want
that
to
be
management
and
security,
because
we
are
more
inclined
to
deal
with
any
type
of
whether
it
be
a
physical
altercation,
whether
it
be
a
confrontation
between
people
yelling.
E
I
want
them
to
notify
security
and
management
immediately,
so
we
can
go
and
try
to
de-escalate
that
if
it
becomes
a
situation
where
we
can't
de-escalate,
I
want
the
management
so
myself
or
the
any
other
management
that
I
have
on
board
to
be
one
to
instantly
call
the
police,
because
I
want
security
to
continue
to
pay
attention
to.
What's
going
on
with
the
actual
altercation
and
it'd,
be
my
job
to
call
the
police
right
away.
G
G
My
thought
process
for
a
long
time
has
been
that
I'd
rather
see
more
employees
feel
empowered
to
call
attention
to
issues
that
they
see
and
and
deal
with
them
quickly.
Not
certainly
not
every
bottle,
not
every
server
and
every
bartender
is
frontline
security,
but
they
should
have
a
sense
that
they
have
it's
within
their
power
if
they
see
something
that's
emerging
to
act
on
it
quickly
and
that
they,
you
know
that
there
will
be
negative
repercussions
of
that.
G
Maybe
you
know
maybe
they're
not
fully
responsible
for
it,
but
if
something's
happening
and
it's
not
in
view
of
one
of
the
seven
security
people
that
person
running
off
trying
to
find
security
and
they're
not
on
the
radios
and
all
that
kind
of
stuff,
that's
wasted
time.
So.
G
And
you
know
with
contacting
the
authorities,
I
think
it
needs
to
be
a
message
from
the
board
through
you
to
your
employees,
that
calling
the
police
is
the
preferred
option.
They
can.
You
know
when
you
call
9-1-1,
we've
been
told
before
by
boston
police.
That
dispatch
is
going
to
triage
that
problem,
whatever
you
call
up
and
describe
to
them,
they'll
triage
that
problem.
G
G
It
sets
that
moment
where
you
saw
that
problem,
and
you
can
say
we
call
the
police,
you
know,
even
though
nothing
ever
happened
of
it
or
you
know.
On
the
flip
side,
we
called
the
police
early
and
even
though
something
happened
later,
we
were
trying
to
address
it.
We
we're
making
attempts.
You
know
we
want
to
see
that
effort,
no,
no
fear
of
calling
the
police
and
it
has
to
be
expressed
to
your
staff
as
being
something
in
your
best
interest.
G
I
do
have
one
more
thing
that
I
thought
of
I
don't
know
you
guys
have
been
close
for
a
little
while
and
I
haven't-
I
didn't
really
see
it
here
and
it
kind
of
relates
to
you
know,
rejecting
patrons
that
are
problematic
or
they
seem
intoxicated,
but
we've
had
a
recent
incidences
of
suspected
drink
spiking.
G
So
you
know
we
want
to
see
some.
I
would
like
to
see
some
language
and
procedures
about
not
just
kicking
people
out
who
are
intoxicated
seem
like
they've,
been
overserved
or
something
like
that,
but
procedures
for
checking
in
on
these
people
and
making
sure
they're.
Okay,
you
know
not
just
booting
them
to
the
curb
and
see
you
later
because
they're,
you
know
you're
no
longer
going
to
serve
them,
but
you
know
some
sort
of
procedure
for
checking
in
on
people
that
are
intoxicated
how
they
got
that
way,
how
they
getting
home.
G
Who
are
they
with
you
know?
Do
they
have
their
belongings
stuff
like
that?
So
you
know
not
just
a
punitive
situation
where
someone's
intoxicated
they
need
to
go,
but
you
know
more
in
the
way
of
like
caring
for
your
patients
when
there
might
be
a
problem.
So
I'd
like
to
see
some
some
procedure,
some
language
with
regards
to
that.
G
A
I
Just
had
to
step
out
to
go
to
a
boston
calling
meeting
so
we'd
like
to
apologize
for
that.
He
wants
to
know
about
the
security
company.
He
just
tried
to
google
them
and
he
could
not
find
them
on
google,
but
he's
wondering
what
they're
going
to
wear
for
our
uniforms,
whether
they're
going
to
be
armed
and
his
concern
is
the
parking
lot
after
these
events
end
because
that's
where
most
of
the
problems
happen
can
abraham
answer
that.
E
Yes,
I
can
hello
officer
so
security
in
terms
of
what
are
they
gonna
be
wearing,
so
all
security
members
will
be
wearing
all
black
they'll
have
security
on
the
back
of
their
on
the
back
of
their
attire,
so
whether
that
be
a
t-shirt
or
if
they're
wearing
a
jacket,
it's
going
to
say
in
big
letter
security,
and
it's
also
going
to
be
saying
in
big
legs
letter
security
in
the
front
as
well.
They
will
not
be
armed
on
the
premises.
E
We
don't
believe
that
that's
the
the
best
way
to
go
about
it.
If
the
city
or
d14
feels
as
if
we
should
have
armed
security
guards,
the
company
does
have
armed
security
guards
on
staff.
So
that's
something
that
we
can't
implement,
but
we
didn't
feel
like
that
was
necessary.
If
that's
something
that
you
all
or
the
licensing
board
does
feel
like
it's
necessary.
We
can
have
that
implemented.
I
Okay,
another
question
is
the
promoters
last
time
brought
in
their
own
security,
and
that
was
a
problem
because
they
were
in
a
different.
You
pointed
them
out
with
me
in
the
different
shirts
and
different
uniforms.
Then
your
security
is
the
promoter
is
going
to
be
allowed
to
bring
in
the
security
and
we're
going
to
so
going
forward.
The
promoters
will
not
be
allowed
to
bring
in
security
100.
E
No,
it
would
only
be
our
security
staff
that
will
be
on
on
premises.
Promoters
aren't
security;
they
can't
bring
in
their
own
security
that
will
not
be
allowed.
I
D
Yes,
those
are
the
most
accessible
and
the
everybody
has
them
in
the
pocket,
and
we
feel
that
this
is
the
best
way
to
go.
We
can
tie
it
up
to
a
hard
line,
but
again
it's
something
that
you're
going
to
have
to
walk
to
in
order
for
them
to
make
a
call.
I
I
It's
just
preferred
for
dispatchers
that
we
know
where
to
go.
If
there's
a
problem,
you
know
just
gonna.
I
G
B
To
pick
up
on
the
detective's
comment
about
the
location,
how
it's
it's
real!
A
lot
of
the
issues
are
outside
I'd
like
to
request
attorney
letzer,
to
submit
a
dispersal
plan.
B
I
don't
believe
we
have
one
on
record
just
to
talk
about
when
closing
hour
comes
how
security
disperses
people,
because
that
is
a
long,
driveway
parking
lot,
and
I
think
it's
probably
could
lead
to
issues
if
you
don't
have
a
proper
plan
in
place.
That
we'd
like
to
see.
I
E
Yep
so
officer
what
we
can
do
is
we've
already
provided
some
of
the
promoters
to
the
promoters
that
are
currently
going
to
be
working
with
garage.
We
anticipate
on
the
reopening
plan.
What
we
can
also
do
is
we
can
for
the
safety
of
time
and
organization.
We
can
direct
you
to
the
garage
instagram
page,
which
I
will
be
managing
to
where
anytime,
there's
ever
an
event
at
garage
that
will
be
listed
on
the
actual
page.
E
I
B
E
I
When
you
request
a
detail,
you
can
give
the
office
the
name
of
the
promoter
and
they
can
put
it
right
in
the
details
of
the
off
the.
If
an
officer
takes
it,
he
knows
who
the
promoter
is,
and
he
can
look
himself
perfect.
G
B
Okay-
and
I
think
that
communication
is
important
for
the
police
when
they're
looking
at
the
request
for
police
details,
if
they
see
something
or
a
promoter
that
you
know
they
might
be
familiar
with,
it
may
be
more
likely
that
they'll
pick
up
that
detail.
We
often
require
entertainment
licensees
to
notify
us.
You
know
by
wednesday
who
is
performing
that
weekend
and
when
we
have
that
information
we
we
try
to
share
with
interested
parties.
B
G
B
E
Okay,
we'll
definitely
do
that,
just
like
the
officer
suggested
we
can
put
the
promoter's
name
right
on
the
detail,
request
anytime.
We
do
it
in
terms
of
any
performance
or
anybody
that
will
be
having
coming
we
plan
on
having
come
in,
like
you
requested
by
wednesday,
we
can
send
an
email
to
the
licensing
board,
essentially
letting
you
know.
Okay,
this
is
a
performer.
This
is
a
guest
host
that
we
have
coming
in.
We
just
want
to
make
you
guys
aware
of
it.
E
If
there's
any
new
promoters
as
as
well,
we
will
make
you
guys
aware
of
it.
Is
it
my?
Am
I
understanding
that
you
want
us
to
send
you
an
email
every
wednesday
of
of
our
weekly,
like
our
plan
for
the
weekend?
Yes,.
B
E
B
E
E
B
I
think
the
detective
probably
would
appreciate
an
email
right
to
d14,
but
we,
if
you
would
like
to
to
submit
the
appropriate
email
for
the
district,
that's
fine.
If
not,
we
will
make
sure
that
they
get
it
and
we'll
give
it
to
our
licensed
premise
unit
as
well.
I
I
think
attorney
has
our
emails.
If
you
need
them.
F
Just
that
up
on
what
the
detective
said
about
or
the
comment
about,
the
the
company,
the
if
the
security
company
is
legitimate,
if
there
should
be
some
paperwork,
there
should
be
some.
You
know
filing
with
the
corporations
division
or
something
so
attorney
blitzer.
Can
you
just
follow
up
and
just
make
sure
that
the
company
is
filed
properly
and
they're
they're,
a
legitimate
company
that
can
be
independent
contractors
with
this.
F
Is
the
four
evictions?
Is
there?
Oh
sorry,
sorry
about
that
for
evictions.
Is
there
a
a
process?
I
heard
that
they've
been
there
when
they're
exiting
the
the
establishment.
You
know
you
have
their
you're
surrounding
them,
but
once
they're
outside
just
the
plan
should
include
that
the
the
parties,
if
they,
if
they've
gotten
into
some
sort
of
altercation
that
they're
separated
and
you
know,
and
that
you
ensure
that
the
parties
don't
have
a
chance
to
get
back
together
on
the
outside.
E
Yeah
so
the
plan
in
terms
of
not
just
removing
someone
specifically
from
the
venue,
but
also
just
clearing
the
venue
completely
so
essentially
when
the
night
is
ending,
there
will
be
the
three
guards
inside
essentially
ushering
people
out
asking
them.
E
If
they
can,
you
know
lead
the
premises,
thank
them
for
coming
doing
everything,
pleasant
and
not
being
hostile,
but
they're
also
going
to
be
the
four
other
security
guards
who
are
going
to
be
outside
and
ushering
them
through
the
walkway
and
then
all
once
everybody
has
left
the
venue,
the
actual
inside
venue
they'll
also
walk
them
all
the
way
through
the
to
the
parking
lot.
E
I'm
monitoring
the
parking
lot
and
no
no
security
guard
will
be
leaving
the
premises
until
all
patrons
and
staff
has
left
so
essentially
all
patrons
leave,
and
then
the
staff
will
be
leaving
too
and
then
that's
when
the
last
security
guard
will
leave
to
ensure
that
everybody
is
safe
throughout
the
night.
A
J
Gallagher
had
one:
if
there's
an
incident
at
night
is
anyone
able
to
access
the
cameras
at
night.
It
sounds
like
they're
going
to
be
in
a
secure
room
that
the
employees
can't
touch
if
the
detectives
arrive
on
scene.
There
was
an
incident.
Is
there
anyone
that's
going
to
be
have
the
ability
to
review
cameras
at
night,
so
we
can
get
a
witness
description
out.
C
And
we
can
set,
we
can
set
that
up
sergeant
detective
with
joe
and
the
management,
so
they
have
the
ability
to
do
that
immediately.
We
can.
A
J
That'd
be
very
helpful
because
time
would
be
the
essence
in
a
lot
of
these
cases,
and
if
you
can
get
an
accurate
description
out,
it
might
might
be
able
to
apprehend
a
suspect
also
they
were
talking
about
checking
these
cameras
once
a
week.
I
know
with
once
a
week
that
turns
into
once
a
month,
maybe
every
night
that
they're
open,
that
they
can
make
sure
the
cameras
are
up
and
running.
So
there
aren't
any
problems
as
well.
A
B
Anything
we're
asking
in
the
end
we're
putting
you
on
notice
that
these
are
our
expectations
of
you
and,
I
think,
can
help
you
operate
a
safe
premise.
License
premise:
I
have
no
other
questions
at
this
time.
I
will
look
forward
to
a
dispersal
plan
and
an
updated
security
plan
with
the
information
that
we
outlined
for
you
today,
but
I'll.
Ask
the
commissioners
in
boston,
please
if
they
have
any
other
comments
or
questions.
K
Detective
sean
mccarthy-
I
just
have
one
recommendation
far
as
a
re-entry
policy.
I
think
it
might
be
a
good
idea
to
to
put
patrons
in
wristbands
and
once
they
leave
the
venue
they
can
no
longer
come
back
and
that
begins
at
the
walkway
leading
down
to
the
garage
where
most
of
the
problems
seem
to
happen.
So,
once
they're
gone
they're
gone
for
the
night,
they
don't
have
a
chance
to
come
back
and
retaliate
against
anyone.
They
may
have
had
a
disagreement
with
in
there
and
also
with
the
id
scanners.
K
Will
that
record
the
identification
information?
Yes,
it
will
yeah
that
one
does
all
right
can.
Can
everybody
entering
the
venue
that
night
from
the
promoters
of
the
employees,
would
it
be
possible
for
them
to
scan
their
ids
as
well?
A
Thank
you,
it
looks
like
there
are
no
further
questions.
Let
me
just
hold
to
make
sure
that's
true.
G
A
Thank
you
attorney
bletzer
or
anyone
from
the
license
premise.
Is
there
anything
you
would
like
to
add
before
we
conclude
for
the
morning.
C
No,
we
will
update
the
security
plan,
get
that
back
into
you
right
away,
so
you
can
have
that.