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From YouTube: Zoning Board of Appeal Hearing 6-16-20
Description
Zoning regulates the use and dimensional boundaries of privately owned buildings and land. The Zoning code is in place to protect the neighborhoods from the construction of buildings or structures that do not fit into the context of a neighborhood. The Zoning Board of Appeal hears appeals for varying the application of the Zoning Code and determines when it is appropriate to grant deviations from code restrictions.
B
Okay,
so
good
morning,
today
is
tuesday
june
16
2020,
the
city
of
boston.
Zoning
board
of
appeals.
Business
meeting
is
now
in
session,
in
accordance
with
the
applicable
provision
of
the
open
meeting
law.
This
meeting
is
being
live
streamed,
it
has
been
called.
B
It
has
been
called
pursuant
to
an
elect
executive
order
of
mayor
martin,
j
walsh,
issued
on
february
24
2020
titled,
an
executive
order
relative
to
the
zoning
vote
of
appeal
mayor,
walsh's
executive
order
recognizes
the
critical
role
that
the
vote
of
appeal
played
in
approving
development
projects
throughout
the
city.
With
this
in
mind,
the
order
seeks
to
ensure
that
the
board
maintains
the
highest
ethical
standards
in
order
to
avoid
a
parent
of
potential
conflicts
of
interest
and
does
so
in
a
manner
which
supports
transparency
and
public
confidence
in
the
board.
B
One
aspect
of
accomplishing
the
initiative
of
the
executive
order.
It's
the
holding
of
this
business
meeting
for
the
board
for
consider
the
creation
of
any
policies
or
protocols,
bridge
and
judgment
of
the
board,
facilitate
the
efficient,
predictable
conduct
of
its
proceedings
and
decision
making
unquote.
B
B
This
discussion
will
help
shape
a
final
document
of
the
board's
policies
and
procedures
which
will
ultimately
be
adopted
by
vote
off
the
board.
Any
policies
and
procedures
adopted
by
this
board
will
then
be
filed
with
the
city
clerk
and
be
made
available
to
the
public.
We
will
now
commence
with
the
discussion.
B
Just
for
the
record,
I
need
to
make
sure
that
everybody
identifies
themselves.
Please
all
board
members.
A
B
Okay,
okay,
so
we
have
a
quorum
of
the
board.
I
just
want
to
see-
and
first
let
me
start
off
by
thanking
the
staff
for
the
draft
craft
work
that
you
put
into
this
document.
B
If
anybody
has
a
chance
and
and
whatever
what
I
thought
I
would
do
was
start
up
with
some
start
off
with
some
conceptual
thoughts
and
then
move
section
by
section
through
the
document.
Does
that
make
sense.
B
Okay,
so
conceptually
I
thought
kevin
that
you
did
a
great
job.
You
know
putting
all
the
legislation
that
sort
of
the
enabling
legislation
into
the
document.
B
My
first
thought
was
to
move
that
as
an
appendix
to
the
document,
as
well
as
the
mayor
walsh's
ethics
requirements
also
to
the
appendix,
and
we
should
put
a
note
on
that
to
say
as
amended,
because
we
I
want
to
make
sure
that
this
document
is
as
live
for
as
long
as
possible.
C
Yes,
I
think
that's
a
great
idea.
I
think
that
is
something
that
we
considered
as
part
of
the
final
document
is
that
there
will
probably
be
a
number
of
appendices
that
we
that
we
will
ultimately
refer
to
throughout
the
document.
So
I
think
that's
a
great
idea.
B
Okay
and
then,
what
I'd
like
to
do
too,
is
in
the
preamble,
identify
upfront
all
the
appropriate
city
agencies
that
are
involved
in
the
process.
B
You
know
clearly
acknowledging
that
the
staff
to
the
board
of
appeal
are
isd
staff,
people
that
the
bpda
has
an
advisory
role
to
the
board
community
people
have
an
advisory
role
to
the
board,
so
to
make
it
clear
that
everything
is
advisory
to
the
board.
Okay,
because
I
want
to
make
sure
that
when
we
talk
about
testimony
that
that
comes
across
clearly,
okay,
also
in
the
past,
these
notices
have
been
circulated.
B
The
assessing
department,
where,
at
one
particular
meeting,
we
recouped
over
a
hundred
thousand
dollars
in
back
taxes.
So
I
think
that
is
also
something
we
should
consider.
Okay
and
then
the
other
I
also
want
to
raise
is
overall.
B
Is
that
this.
This
document
should
reflect
other
other
portions
of
mayor
walsh's,
executive
order
of
february
24th,
because
there
are
pieces
that
talk
about
an
online
application
within
180
days
of
this
order,
and
this
is
in
reference
to
step
to
article
2,
section
2,
a
okay,
and
also
to
be
because
it
talks
about
language
and
communications
access
within
45
days.
B
So
I
think
that
needs
to
be
included.
If
we're
going
to
be
talking
about
about.
You
know
a
more
robust
community
process.
B
Okay,
any
any
other
overall
comments
that
people
have
okay.
So
let's
go
through
the
document
so
that
we
will
have
a
revised
introduction,
the
composition
of
the
board,
the
ethical
requirements
will
all
go
into
the
appendix
okay
and
of
course,
we
will
recognize
in.
B
The
requirements
of
the
of
the
executive
order,
which
is
the
trigger
for
this
document,.
A
Can
just
want
one
comment
about
the
section
on
the
composition
of
the
board
just
wondering
if
there
is
a
reason
why
the
statutory
obligations
to
appoint
board
members,
you
know
talks
about
the
mayoral
appointment
with
approval
of
city
council.
But
it's
also
under
the
enabling
statute
that
there
are
certain
constituencies
that
are
supposed
to
be
represented.
And
I
I
you
know,
I'm
aware
that
there
is
discussion
about
whether
that
should
change
or
stay
the
same
or
whatever.
But
it
seems
to
me
that
it
ought
to
be
referenced
in
the
document.
B
Will
it
be
referenced,
it
could
be
referenced
in
the
document
as
an
appendix
if
we
fall
out
completely,
rather
than
try
to
pull
out
completely
the
elements
of
the
zoning
code
of
that
of
that
particular
section
referring
to
the
board
of
appeal.
B
C
Think
that
I
can
add
and
and
just
try
to
briefly
encapsulate
what
is
stated
in
the
enabling
act
with
respect
to
where
the
appointments
come
from.
I
can
add
that
into
this
section,
on
composition
of
the
board,.
D
B
So
can
you
evan
copy
and
paste
from
the
zoning
that
particular
piece
of
it
into
the
appendix
in
its
entirety,
so
that
there's
it's
there
in
the
in
the
fullness
of
the
of
the
requirements.
C
Yes,
we
can,
we
can
put
a
copy
of
the
I.
I
think
we've
talked
about
putting
a
copy
of
the
entire
enabling
act
in
the
appendix
so
that
I
expect
that
will
be
part
of
the
final
document.
B
A
I
think
that
would
be
good,
because
I
know
that
that
was
certainly
one
of
the
many
issues
that
was
discussed
in
the
in
the
in
the
rollout
to
this
document
and
it'd
be
good,
I
think
to
have
it
incorporated
so
kevin's
suggestion,
I
think,
makes
sense.
C
So
I
think
it
makes
sense-
and
I
can
add,
like
I
say
you
know-
kind
of
a
brief
description
of
it
here
in
this
section,
and
we
can
also
refer
to
the
full
text
as
being
appended
yeah
to
the
document.
I
I
think
that's
a
good
way
to
do
it
for
a
lot
of
these
things
is
to
kind
of
have
them
set
out
and
then
refer
to
the
full
text
set
out
in
the
appendices,
whether
it's
for
the
enabling
act
or
for
the
ethics
requirements
of
chapter
268a.
C
I
think
that's,
ultimately,
what
a
lot
of
this
these
items
in
here
are
going
to
look
like.
A
B
And
going
to
page
eight
page
nine
about
ethics,
we
should
make
a
stronger
referral
to
state
ethics,
because
I
know
in
the
past
they've
been
interested
in
our
in
us
and
we've
we've
as
members
periodically
relied
on
them
for
their
advice.
C
Certainly
I
can,
I
can
incorporate
some
additional
provisions.
You
know
from
the
massachusetts
general
laws
and
again
I
think
we
would
append
the
text
of
mgl
to
268
to
the
document
as
well,
so
that
the
tech
should
be
there
in
its
entirety,
and
I
can
look
for
whatever
other
advisories.
C
B
Okay
and
then
going
to
section
d
on
page
nine
training
requirements
for
board
members
and
staff.
I
think
that's
excellent!
Oh,
oh
sorry,
let
me
go
back
to
section
theme
number
four.
It
requires
annual
annual
statements
of
financial
interest.
B
B
And
then,
as
an
aside
in
the
past,
we've
also
been
required
to
do
an
annual
certification
of
velocity
of
boston
residency
and
likewise
we
should
have
that
in
there
that
the
executive
secretary
and
in
his
or
her
absence
whomever
it
is,
will
coordinate
the
the
requests
and
documentation
of
that.
Okay.
C
I
think
those
are
all
good
suggestions
and
we'll
you
know
start
to
incorporate
some
more
of
that
in
into
this
document,
and
some
of
that
is
going
to
be
further
vetted
in
conjunction
with
the
law
department
in
terms
of
the
reporting
requirements
and
training
requirements
that
are
referenced
in
the
executive
order.
B
C
B
You
and
then
on
the
procedure
for
appeal,
that's
where
for
me,
it's
because
I
think
that
this
refers
to
the
appeal
being
made
in
person
and
that's
when
I
thought
we
should
actually
refer
to
the
mayor's
executive
order.
B
C
Yes
and
I
agree
the
intent-
there
is
also
the
same
up
until
everything
was
shut
down,
the
primary
mode
of
filing
the
appeal
was
done
in
person.
That
is
something
that,
since
the
state
home
order
has
has
been
made,
we've
been
accepting
those
applications
by
email
and
we
are
also
working
towards
having
them
to
be
strictly
or
available
online
through
the
website.
C
So
that
was
an
intended
edit,
but
this
was
just
a
reflection
of
how
things
were
up
until
the
pandemic
hit,
but
that
is
something
that
I
expect
will
be
updated
in
the
document
as
well.
B
So
I
do
think
on
page
13
there
is
a
a
paragraph
that
says
that
is
everybody
on
this
page
on
page
13,
it
says
in
determining
its
findings,
the
board
of
appeals
shall
take
into
account
the
number
of
persons
residing
the
character
and
traffic
conditions
in
the
neighborhood.
C
I'm
not
sure
I'm
looking
at
page
13,
but
that's
section
8
entitled
decisions
of
the
board.
What
can
you
give
me
the
the
section
that
you're
in
I'm.
C
Numbers
one
two
and
three
yeah
that
that
that
is
part
of
article
seven
section
three
of
the
zoning
code,
so
that
is
just
a
subparagraph
to
the
other
four
criteria
that
are
above
it
for
a
b
c
and
d.
C
B
Can
go
into
the
appendix
and
should
we
include
anything
on
equity,
because
I'm
assuming
the
bpda
boards
process
will
need
to
work
its
way
through
the
zoning
commission,
etc.
I'm
not
up
on
I'm
not
up
on
it.
B
Yeah,
so
we
should
just
keep
an
eye
on
what's
happening
with
the
board,
the
bpda
board
and
the
zoning
commission.
If
there's,
if
they're
going
to
add
equity
tasks
to
the
zoning
code,
okay,
does
anybody
have
any
other
comments.
A
A
What
I
don't
see
is
a
simple
line
and
there's
a
couple
of
places
where
it
could
be
in
case
a
member
has
a
specific
that
most
of
the
most
of
the
most
of
the
language
around
the
the
self-dealing
issues
or
are
sort
of
generic,
and
what
does
come
up
from
time
to
time
is
a
given
case
where
someone
has
an
involvement
either
directly
or
through
a
family
member,
and
they
inform
the
chair
that
they're
recusing
themselves
and
then
leave
the
room.
A
B
Yes,
I
had
that
as
a
note
on
the
voting
slash
quorum,
but
wherever
is
appropriate
to
talk
with
you.
C
A
Okay
and
then,
and
then
the
other
thing
is-
and
I
don't
know
really
how
to
how
to
do
this.
A
But
it
seems
to
me
that
in
general
that
we
are
going
to
obviously
the
pandemic
has
has
hastened
the
process,
but
in
general,
we're
going
to
be
moving
towards
more
electronic,
whether
it's
participation
in
in
the
actual
hearings,
whether
it's,
whether
it's
an
application
filing
applications,
whether
it's
reviewing
the
arc,
the
the
plans
that
maybe
there
ought
to
be
some
section
about
just
that,
the
the
the
use
of
of
electronic
activity
with
respect
to
all
of
these
processes-
I
you
know
sort
of
as
a
generic
overarching
thing,
because
I
think
that
we
don't
want
to
lock
ourselves
into
a
situation
where
there
are
certain
ways
of
doing
things
that
are
that
are
in
in
2019.
B
Yeah,
that's
exactly
right
and
I
think
that
the
mayor's
mayor's
executive
order
anticipated
that.
So
there
are
a
number
of
things
that
ask
to
do
with
an
isd
to
kind
of
help.
Those
things
into
an
electronic
and
electronic
version.
C
I
would
agree
with
that
christine.
I
think
that
is
part
of
the
executive
order,
and
I
think
some
of
those
items
have
been
given
longer
time
frames
and
those
are
things
that
are
currently
being
being
worked
on
so
that
they
can
be
be
implemented
as
soon
as
possible.
But
we
are
trying
to
get
to
that
point
where
there
are
more
filings
and
documents
accepted
all
online,
so
that
we
can
eliminate
a
lot
of
extra
steps
that
require
in-person
activity.
A
Well,
just
again,
one
really
minor
thing
on
page
four,
I
think
it's
article
three
section,
eight
there's
a
reference
to
the
commission
is
that
does
that
refer
to
the
zoning
commission.
C
Oh,
that
would
be
the
ethics
commission.
B
Okay,
so
let's
go
into
more
detail
on
the
hearings
of
the
board.
Any
questions
comments
on
the
section
that
refers
to
public
hearings
or
time
for
scheduling,
hearings.
B
The
only
comment
I
have
on
the
time
that
I
would
like
to
make
sure
that
we
aren't
over
promising
ourselves
because
sometimes
especially
given
more
doom
meetings,
etc,
etc.
These
45
to
90
days
may
be
ambitious,
so
I
I
like
to
leave
it
open
because
I
think
if
the
the
lead
sentence
on
that
paragraph
kind
of
encapsulates,
all
of
it.
C
Sure
I
think
that
the
yeah,
the
language
in
the
enabling
act
doesn't
set
a
specific
time.
There
is
no
numerical
requirement.
It's
just
within
a
reasonable
time.
45
to
90
days
is
just
a
general
gauge
of
past
practice.
I
think,
but
you're
right
in
these
current
times,
there's
a
lot
more
uncertainty
with
that.
So
we
can
look
at
revising
that
as
well.
B
Yes,
because
then
maybe
that'll
will
reduce
the
number
of
deferrals
that
we
see
too
anything
else
on
the
community
process.
Section
c
in
that
section,
5
section
7c
anything
on
community
process,
anything
on
notice
and
again
notice.
Talks
about
notice
will
be
sent
by
mail
postage
prepaid.
B
C
B
So
we
can
have
again
that
in
the
in
the
appendix
and
then
talk
and
say
that
the
enabling
act
was
adopted
in
64
and
recognizing
recent
events
or
whatever,
so
that
it
gives
us
the
dual:
the
dual
possibilities:
okay:
how
about
e
representation?
B
I
had
I
just
had
a
comment
on
f
because
the
I'm
I'm
hoping
that
eventually
g-cod
gets
taken
out
of
the
code,
because
it's
just
an
administrative
function.
It's
not
you
know.
So
I
just
you
know
if
this
is
going
to
have
a
longer
shelf
life.
That's
my
only
question
about
that
and
also
k
a
request
for
reconsideration,
I'd
like
to
knock
that
off,
because
we've
had
some
arbitrary
requests
for
reconsideration
of
our
decision
and
I'd
like
to
make
sure
that
once
we
make
a
decision
community-
and
everybody
else
has
listened
to.
C
Okay,
yes,
so
with
respect
to
your
comments
on
gcod,
I
agree.
Unfortunately,
for
the
time
being,
it
still
requires
a
conditional
use
permit.
So
until
there
is
a
zoning
amendment,
that's
adopted
by
the
zoning
commission
will
those
will
have
to
be
scheduled,
but
I
I
understand
the
sentiment,
and
I
agree
with
that
and
with
respect
to
the
request
for
reconsideration,
I
think
maybe
that
might
require
some
more
research
to
determine
it
is
you
know,
part
of
the
code,
the
zoning
code,
so
I
don't
know
we'd
have
to
look
into
it
more.
C
C
However,
just
one
thing
I
will
point
out
is
that,
even
though
you
know
we're
going
through
all
these
things,
for
example,
if
there
was
a
zoning
code
amendment
that
no
longer
required
a
conditional
use
permit
for
g-cod,
then
we
would
look
to
amend
the
adopted
policies
and
procedures
and
we
would
have
to
make
those
such
amendments.
As
you
know,
any
new
legislation
would
require,
and
that
would
go
for
anything
else
in
the
document
as
well,
whether
it's
ethics
legislation
or
something
like
something
else.
So
we
this
will
have.
A
Christine
a
couple
of
comments
on
the
voting
forum
h,
it
says,
failure
promotion
to
receive
a
quorum
and
the
vote
shall
result
in
the
board
ensuring
a
denial
of
appeal.
We
sometimes
do
straight
denials
sometimes
denial
without
prejudice.
I
guess
this
is
the
question:
should
that
be?
Should
that
option
be
explicitly
detailed
in
the
doc
in
this
document
and
then?
A
Secondly,
in
terms
of
an
overarching
thing,
or
do
we
want
a
reference
to
robert's
rules
of
order
or
whatever
or
some
other
document
in
terms
of
what
you
know,
there's
a
there's,
a
the
order,
this
order
of
business
is
laid
out,
but
in
terms
of
the
actual
process
and
procedure,
do
we
want
to
reference
rules
of
order?
So
two
questions.
B
Yeah,
I
noticed
kevin
that
you
have
robert
rules
as
section
12
and
put
it
down,
but
I
do
think
that
makes
sense,
because
I
think
robert's
role
should
prevail.
B
And
I
know
that
you
have
under
the
is
it
yep
under
the
foils
right
above
section,
eight
that
lasts
at
last
paragon
about
talking
about
the
administrative
deferrals.
B
I
mean
I'm
fine,
but
I
think
we
should
just
because
we
have
something
that
explains
it
in
greater
detail
about
administrative
deferrals.
I
do
think
that
in
section
eight
we
should
talk
about.
You
know
not
a
full
board,
a
full
board
versus
a
partial
board.
D
C
Well,
the
the
logic
is
that
it's
already
been
noticed
that
we
are
giving
notice
at
the
hearing
of
the
new
continued
date
so
yeah,
but
that
being
everything
else
being
the
same.
Unless
there's
a
change
the
refusal
letter
or
the
project,
then
we
then
the
notice
is
provided
at
the
hearing
at
the
time
that
the
deferral
is.
D
Yeah,
I
I
just
think
sometimes
the
deferrals
come
in
in
in
various
different
ways
like
sometimes
it's
not
always
the
attorney
going
up
and
making
the
request
for
deferral.
Sometimes
we
get
them
ahead
of
time
and
then
the
burden
falls
back
on
like
people
that
we
don't
have
control
over
to
like.
Let
the
community
know
that
it's
been
deferred
to
a
different
date
like
sometimes
they
come
in.
We
have
a
stack
before
the
meeting
like
these
are
deferred
to
this
date
because
of
like
a
community
process
thing
or
something
like
that.
D
B
What's
more,
I
mean
what
what
is
wrong
if
it's,
if
it
goes
out
through
other
venues,
if
it
goes
out
through
ons,
if
it
goes
out
through
the
appellant,
is
there
something
something
that
that
upsets
you
about
that
or
concerns
you
about
that.
D
C
So
I
mean
I
think,
it's
that
you
know
we've
already.
Everybody
that's
entitled
to
notice
should
already
have
received
notice
at
at
the
time
of
the
first
hearing,
and
then
so
everybody
that
has
had
that
is,
has
an
interest
in
that
case.
That
might
want
to
speak
in
favor
or
opposition.
C
To
is
aware
and
is,
is
most
likely
present
at
the
hearing
at
the
time
when
the
deferral
would
be
requested,
and
then
they
are
being
notified
at
the
hearing
that
that's
that
the
case
is
being
deferred
to
another
date
to
include
to
re
to
re-notice
every
case
would
limit
the
ability,
in
some
instances
to
give
a
short
deferral
if
we're
deferring
to
the
next
hearing
or
two
hearings
away,
you
need
at
least
20
days
to
to
send
out
the
mailings,
so
that
would
eliminate
the
possibility
for
having
short
deferrals
if
we
were
going
to
re-notice
all
of
those
cases
upon
deferring
them.
C
If
there
is
a
specific
reason
that
it
comes
to
light
that
there
that
might
require
a
re-notice,
then
we
could
do
that.
I
think,
on
a
case-by-case
basis,.
D
B
Well,
I
think,
there's
two
ways
of
addressing
it,
though.
First
is
now
that
the
meetings
are
online.
People
can
more
clearly
see
if
they
cared
about
the
case.
What
the
outcome
was-
and
you
know
I.
I
appreciate
kevin's
comment
about
a
quick,
a
quick
next
hearing,
and
so
I
think
that's
and
the
and
finally,
I
think,
on
the
default
section
on
under
the
referral
section,
one
two
three,
the
fourth
paragraph
talks
about
us
clearly
not
advises
the
appellants,
not
to
request
more
than
two
deferral.
B
I
think
it's
going
to
be
incumbent
on
us
to
stick
to
that.
You
know,
and
it
says
excessive
or
marriage
requests-
maybe
results
in
the
in
the
board
voting
to
dismiss
the
appeal
you
know,
so
I
think
that
might
be
a
good,
a
a
good
way
of
also
addressing
it.
So
it's
going
to
take
a
number
of
different
tactics,
but
I
think
that
might
be
the
way
to
get
to
it.
C
I
agree:
I
think
that
that
is
a
a
better
way,
or
at
least
one
optional
option.
One
other
option
is
to
limit
the
number
of
deferrals
absent,
good
cause
and,
if
there's
excessive
deferrals
requested
that
there'd
be
a
dismissal
or
dismissal
without
prejudice
of
the
appeal
and
if
that
becomes
a
new
practice,
I
think,
then,
that
you
will
see
the
requests
for
deferrals
decline.
B
C
I
can
take
a
look
at
whether
or
not
it's
extraneous
or
duplicative.
I
okay.
I
think
there
might
be
some
reference
to
to
a
continuance
within
the
enabling
act,
so
I'll
have
to
refer
back
to
that
and
see
what
is
what
is
in
there
and
I
I
can
look
at
it
editing
it.
B
B
D
Just
one
one
more
thing,
too
is:
do
you
know:
do
we
outline
anywhere,
how
like
we'll
call
for
deferrals
like
there's
two
types
of
defer
and,
in
my
mind,
there's
three
types
of
deferrals
that
happen
right,
there's
ones
that
get
submitted
before
we
even
meet
that
like
we
have
that
stack
right
and
then
there's
the
ones
that
will
call
for
anybody
at
9,
30
want
a
deferral
and
then
there's
ones
that
come
to
the
table.
D
B
B
We've
realized
that
x,
y
and
z
hasn't
been
done,
or
they
still
need
more
work.
And
it's
for
us
to
make
the
recommendation
for
a
deferral.
It's
not
necessarily
they
who
are
asking
for
the
girl.
It's
us
to
say
you
know,
you're,
not
quite
ready,
and
so
I
not
sure
that
we
need
to.
Maybe
there
just
needs
to
be
a
sentence
that
sometimes
the
board
will
just
make
a
motion,
or
you
know
something
to
reflect.
The
fact
that
it's
not
quite
ready
kevin
is
that
possible.
C
B
The
other
thing
that
I
would
also
like
to
see
kind
of
mentioned
in
this
section
is
that
some
of
the
time
community
groups
do
not
meet
over
the
summer
or
at
the
holiday
time,
and
we
need
to
make
sure
that
in
fact
they
are,
they
understand
that
our
processes
will
proceed
with
or
without
them
you
know.
So
there
needs
to
be
some
way
of
saying
that
you
know
the
community
is
encouraged
to
get
their
comments
in
otherwise
the
decision
will
be
made
without
the
advisory
comment.
A
But
just
out
of
curiosity
are
most
are
the
community
organizations
meeting
virtually
these
days?
Are
they
have
they
just
rolled
up
the
doors.
D
Some
over
here
in
in
would
one
some
are
some
are
looking
into
it.
Some
aren't.
C
Yeah,
I
know
that
ons
is
trying
to
work
on.
You
know
some
policies
and
procedures
to
get
that
going
or
you
know
some
new
practices
in
you
know
the
under
the
conditions
in
in
which
we're
in
currently,
but
I'm
not
sure
specifically
what
they're
doing
to
address
that.
But
I
know
that
they
are
working
towards
some
resolution.
A
There
will
be
more
problems
with
getting
things
through
the
community
process
and
then
we'll
be
getting
through
the
board.
I
mean,
I
think,
we're
we're
on
the
verge
of
figuring
out
how
to
do
our
business,
but
a
lot
of
these
projects
are
not
gonna
get
gonna.
Have
any
community
process.
E
C
To
help
facilitate
you
know
the
efficient
conduct
of
the
hearings.
That's
not
always
going
to
be
the
case,
but
I
think
we
will
can
continue
to
encourage
that,
and
that
is
one
thing
that
we
have
encouraged
leading
up
to
beginning.
Our
virtual
hearings
next
week
is
to
have
those
comments
submitted
so
that
they
can
be
a
part
of
the
record
beforehand
in
reference
during
the
hearing,
and
I
think
that's
something
that
we'll
probably
can
consider
continuing
once
you
know,
things
have
been
relaxed.
C
No,
I'm
not
saying
necessarily
that
we
would
er
everything
would
be
verbatim
read
into
the
record,
but
you
know
they
would
all
be
a
part
of
the
record.
They
would
be
in
the
file
beforehand
and
the
board
has,
you
know,
has
the
chance
to
review
those
before
going
on
the
record
and
get
a
sense
of
what
the
comments
are,
and
I
think
that
will
be
helpful
and
it
might
free
up
some
time
during
the
hearings.
If,
if
people
do
that,
choose
that
option
rather
than
to
stand
up
and
and
to
speak.
F
F
D
D
F
You
hear
me
so
one
thing:
that's
come
up,
obviously,
in
the
board
meetings,
where
we've
had
projects
that
are
coming
in
front
of
us
that
have
numerous
people
in
support,
and
then
we
have
people
on
non-support
and
you've
always
said.
Let
me
hear
from
elected
officials
first
and
then
people
from
the
community,
but
want
to
hear
from
five
there
may
be
15
to
20
people
in
that
room.
Do
we
address
that
here
or
is
that
your
call
as
the
chairperson.
C
Yes,
under
the
I
mean
it's,
it's
like
christine's
discretion
as
the
chair
overseeing
the
the
hearing
in
the
interest
of
of
time.
Obviously
there
are
the
dockets
are
long
and
some
appeals
take
longer
than
others,
and
it's
within
christine's
discretion
to
manage
that,
so
it
it
can
vary
on
a
case-by-case
basis.
But
it's
at
the
discretion
of
the
chair
right.
B
They're
not
having
what
sorry
their
voices
are.
Yes,
you
know,
and
what
I'm
fine
about
is
reference
to
open
meeting
law
which
says
that
it's
at
the
discretion
of
the
of
the
board
chair,
because
that's
clearly
there
in
the
legislation,
you
know-
and
I
think
it's
always
a
balance
with
us
about
you-
know
how
much
we
can
hear
how
much
is
repetitive
you
know,
and
what
new
information
we're
really
gathering
at
these.
F
D
B
We
hear
from
three
or
four
on
either
side
and
have
everybody
else
put
their
name
and
address,
and
the
opposition
as
a
sign
as
a
sign
up,
so
that
it
is
in
the
record
and
it
acknowledges
them.
Okay.
So
that's
how
we
take
care
of
that.
C
C
B
Okay,
excellent,
so
that's
all
taken
care
of
so
under
the
last
paragraph
on
the
deferrals
right
above
section
8,
we
should
talk
about
an
administrative
deferral
in
there
that
very
very
last
paragraph.
We
should
give
it
a
name:
okay
and
then
under
the
written
decision.
Okay.
So
this
I
have
two
two
thoughts
on
this
written
decision.
B
I'll
go
to
the
they're,
both
fairly
easy
on
the
third
paragraph.
It
says,
after
a
decision
has
been
approved
by
the
acc,
I
would
say,
has
been
reviewed
and
approved.
I
know
I
know
you
review
everything,
but
I
think
we
should
just
make
sure
that
it's
on
the
record,
okay
and
then
I
think
that
we
should
also
come
up
with
the
types
of
decisions
that
the
board
can
come
up
with
approve
approve,
with
proviso,
deny
and
deny
without
prejudice,
so
that
at
least
here
we
can
start
capturing
that
in
denial.
B
B
And
so
what
I'm
trying
to
figure
out
is
that
sometimes-
and
I
think
we
see
this
fairly
frequently-
a
project
goes
to
bpda
for
design
review
and
it
comes
out
exactly
as
it
went
in
they
there.
There
is
no
changes
made,
and
what
I
need
to
figure
out
is:
how
is
the
board
informed
of
the
fact
that
a
staff
person
vpda
was
required
to
do
design
review
and,
in
their
wisdom,
decided
that
none
was
required?
B
And
what
is
what
is
the
feedback
loop
to
the
board
so
that
we
know
that
that
in
fact,
it's
going
to
be
built
exactly
as
it
is,
you
know,
so
there
needs
to
be
something
that
that
ensures
that
the
board
decision
is
in
fact
a
board
decision
and
that
we
are
not
at
a
hearing.
C
Job
and
that's
something
that
I
think
would
I'd
be
happy
to
look
into.
I
don't
think
I
know
no.
C
A
Yeah,
I
would
want
to
echo
christine's
comments.
There's
the
issue
of
accountability.
We
we
pass
a
motion
and
sometimes
they're
very
specific,
very
specific
about
the
provisos
and
on
anecdotal
basis.
I've
heard
situations
where
it
just
gets
ignored
and
that's
really
you
know,
I
think,
that's
for
the
isd
enforcement,
but
it
would
be
helpful
if
the
the
board
were
apprised
of
of
those
kind
of
situations.
B
Now
we
know
that
we
are
automatic,
saying
the
usual
beat.
You
know,
board
takeout
language.
I
think
that
should
be
here
in
an
appendix
so
that
the
sunshine
and
what
our
provisos
are,
because
I
think
we
have
in
in
other
cases
we
have
a
couple
of
standard
provisos
and
I
think
for
everybody.
It
would
be
good
to
have
that
in
the
effectiveness,
okay
and
then,
let's
see,
then
we
have
any
any
questions.
B
Any
comments
for
this
section
before
we
move
on
to
the
next
there
is
I'm
going
to
come
back
to
a
concept
of
the
litigation
exemption,
but
we
can
come
back
to
that.
B
B
Okay,
no
comments;
okay,
that's
good!
On
the
other
section,
10
other
board,
functions
and
procedures.
Any
comment
on
that.
B
B
Okay
and
then
the
last
paragraph,
I'd
like
something
in
there
to
say
that
the
board
may
send
a
request
to
the
law
department.
B
B
B
Okay
and
then
I
think,
okay
on
board
final
arbiter.
I
think
that's
great,
but
there's
one
thing
that
we
have
not
addressed
and
that
and
we've
seen
it
coming
through
more
and
more
frequently
is
that
a
project
goes,
for
example,
through
an
article
80
process,
and
then
it
comes
to
us
and
it
has,
let's
just
say,
10
units
approved.
B
You
know,
there's
always
going
to
be
some
more
final
arbiter
coming
back
to
us,
but
I
want
to
make
sure
that
these
kind
of
cases
are
nipped
in
the
bud
or
those
kind
of
changes
are
addressed
through
whatever
the
venues
are
prior
to
it.
Coming
to
us,
if
there's
a
negotiation
on
the
number
of
units,
it
all
happens
so
that
when
it
comes
to
us,
it's
fader
complete
and
everybody
understands
that
that's
paid
accomplished.
C
Yeah,
I
understand
what
you're
saying.
B
Because
we've
had,
in
my
recollection,
two
projects,
book
big
that
would
dance
and
came,
wanted
and
requested,
and
they
were
both
article
80
projects
where
a
lot
of
these
issues
should
have
been
addressed
prior
to
it
coming
to
the
board
so
that
after
it
was
done
with
us,
it
was
just
a
matter
of
design
review
or
something
like
that
versus
more
substantive
changes
in
the
number
of
units
and
the
size
of
the
units
or
whatever.
It
is
right.
C
So,
yes,
I
mean
that's
something
that
we
might
have
to
look
into
further
from
an
administrative
standpoint
on
scheduling
those
requests,
but
I
think
ultimately
you
you
know,
I
mean
the
the
procedure
for
board.
Final
arbiter
is
conceived
of
something
for
an
approval
of
changes
which
are
minor
de
minimis
changes.
B
Yeah-
and
I
I
don't
see
these
as
minor
quote
minor,
but
I
know
that
we
had
one
of
those
article
80
things
come
in,
as
quote
minor
on
the
board
final
arbiter,
you
know,
and
so
that's
what
I
want
to
just
make
sure
that
we
don't
set
a
precedent
on
it,
put
a
precedent
on
it.
Yeah.
C
So
I'm
just
so,
like
I
said
from
an
administrative
standpoint
in
terms
of
not
scheduling
such
a
request.
If
there
is,
if
the,
if
the
changes
don't
trigger
any
additional
zoning
violations,
I
I'd
have
to
we'd
have
to
discuss
what
ways
you
know
from
an
administrative
standpoint
or
adjusting
their
criteria
to
prevent
such
a
request
from
being
scheduled.
Otherwise,
if
the
request
meets
with
the
okay
of
the
plans
examiner
because
it
doesn't
trigger
any
additional
zoning
violations,
but
in
actuality
it
is,
it
differs
enough
from
what
was
approved
in
the
board's
judgment.
C
So
in
terms
of
administratively,
you
know
weeding
them
out.
That's
something
that,
like
I
said,
would
have
to
look
into
further,
but
in
the
event
that
that's
not
a
feasible
option,
the
board
can
vote
accordingly
in
its
discretion,
based
upon
what
is
being
presented
to
it
and
what
the
changes
look
like
versus
what
was
initially
approved
by
the
board.
B
B
So
I
want
to
make
sure
that
we
in
fact
make
this
a
family
friendly,
a
neighborhood
friendly
proposal
or
review
process
so
that,
in
fact
it
is
owner
occupied
because,
for
example,
if
it's
a
conversion
from
a
one
to
a
two
by
a
investor,
I
think
I
think
we
should
keep
that
under
full
sunlight
in
the
in
the
large
board
meetings.
But
if
it's
you
know
me
living
in
the
unit
trying
to
get
an
in-law.
For
my
my
kid
or
something
like
that.
You
know
maybe
that,
because
I'm
living
in
the
building.
C
So
there
are
couple
of
commissioners
bulletins
which
I
think
initially
set
out
the
subtract
subcommittee
criteria
and
then
a
subsequent
one
which
expanded
the
criteria
to
include
non-owner
occupied
single
and
two
family
dwellings,
and
part
of
that
reason
is
because
we
it
prevents
it.
It
limits
the
number
of
appeals
that
we
can
schedule
for
subcommittee
and
and
can
take
away
from
the
intended
effect
of
the
subcommittee,
which
is
to
open
up
the
docket
for
the
full
board
hearings.
C
B
B
B
And
then
I
think
here
again
and
and
and
this
is
partially
for
my
own
clarification
too-
is
that
we
should
look
at
what
happens
when
all
three
members
of
the
board
of
the
subcommittee
vote
deny
it
and
deny
a
project.
Does
it
go
to
the
full
board,
or
is
that
the
final
decision?
Okay-
because
I
for
some
reason-
I'm
I
always
get
about
that.
C
If,
if
there's
any
question
or
need
for
further
debate
on
it,
then
I
think
the
the
recommendation
could
be
a
deferral
to
the
the
full
board
and
that
could
be
heard
at
the
next
hearing
of
the
full
board,
because
everybody
that's
scheduled
for
subcommittee
is
scheduled
for
the
subcommittee
hearing
and
the
next
scheduled
full
hearing
of
the
board.
So
if
that's
the
case,
I
think
the
correction
could
just
be
to
defer
it
to
that
hearing,
so
that
it
is
that
it
is
heard
by
the
full
board.
B
Okay,
any
other
questions
from
the
board
members
about
the
document
feeling
feeling
somewhat
comfortable.
There
is
one
last
thing
that
I
want
to
make
sure
that
actually
this
I'm
going
to
find
two
last
things.
B
One
of
them
is.
I
want
to
make
sure
that
good,
that
there
is
something
in
here
that
talks
about
board
members
being
sued,
we've
always
been
sued
as
members
of
the
board,
but
distressingly
enough
one
board
member
was
was
sued
as
an
individual
sued
as
an
individual
or
a
function.
That
was
a
board-related
function
where
that
person's
livelihood
was
was
was
threatened.
B
C
Sure
I
can
look
for
the
the
language
that
that
there
exists
on
that.
I'm
sure
that
there's
a
city
ordinance,
I
can
include
reference
to.
Ultimately,
we
wouldn't
be
able
to
prevent
the
filing
of
a
lawsuit
in
such
a
manner,
but
that
is
something
once
we
receive
the
lawsuit
that
once
it's
referred
to,
the
law
department
would
be
dealt
with
by
motion
if
somebody
is
suing
a
board
member
in
their
individual
capacity
for
acts
taken
in
their
official
duty
as
a
board
member
on
board
business.
C
That
would
be
the
mo
the
basis
of
a
motion
to
dismiss
that
portion
of
the
complaint
or
to
dismiss
them
as
a
defendant
in
their
individual
capacity.
So
this
could
be
we
can.
I
can
look
for
that
language
as
to
serve
as
guidance
and
an
explanatory
language
on
filing
such
lawsuits,
but
ultimately
we
wouldn't
be
able
to
necessarily
prevent
it.
It's
something
that
might
have
to
be
dealt
with
within
the
lawsuit
itself
by
motion.
B
Yeah.
What
I
want
to
make
sure
is
that
the
cost
of
defense
isn't
borne
by
the
board
member
you
know
should
because,
because
you
know,
every
person
who
has
a
license
on
this
board
that
license
could
possibly
be
threatened
in
some
way,
shape
or
form
you
know,
and
so
we
need
to
make
sure
that
or
maybe
other
ways
they
could
be
threatened.
That.
C
That
would
say
that
you
know
for
conduct
taking
pursuant
to
their.
You
know
employment
as
a
board
member
in
their
official
duties,
that
board
members
won't
be
held
personally
liable
and
that
the
city
will
anything
that,
if
there's
conduct
generally,
what
nobody's
looking
for
monetary
damages
against
the
board
is
looking
for
a
decision
to
be
overturned.
C
But
I'll.
Look
for
the
language
that
you're
referring
to
wherever
that,
might
exist
and
see
how
I
can
incorporate
that
into
the
document.
A
Okay,
yeah
yeah,
that
just
to
pile
on
that
was
a
slightly
outrageous
situation.
Here
was
a
board
member
who
took
a
vote
and
on
an
issue
like
like
all
of
us
do,
and
and
and
someone
who
disagreed
with
that
vote
then
went
after
that
board
members
occupational
license,
which
was
outrageous
because
it
was
not.
It
was
had
nothing
to
do
with
his
conduct
in
that
in
his
professional
capacity.
A
It
had
to
do
with
his
conduct
as
a
board
member,
and
yet
he
had
to
bear
the
brunt
of
the
liability
and
that
that
was
that
was
wrong,
pure
and
simple.
C
Yeah
so,
like
I
said
I'll
look
for
whatever
language
we
can
be
that
I
can
put
in
there
that
would
be
informative
or
instructive.
Unfortunately,
like
I
said,
we
can't
always
prevent
how
somebody
might
file
a
lawsuit
or
other
action
based
upon
something
that
happened.
No.
A
No,
I
I
I'm
not
suggesting
that
there
be
anything
about
preventing
the
filing
of
lawsuit
that
that's
life,
people,
it's
a
litigious
society
we
live
in.
The
issue
is,
if
you're
doing
something
in
your
capacity
as
a
board
member,
then
as
a
city
city,
employee,
board
member,
then
the
city,
the
city
ought
to
play
a
role
in
in
defending
them.
B
But
I
do
think
there's
got
to
be
some
easy
handbook
for
residents,
especially
if
you're
talking
about
having
somebody
in
an
ambassador
role,
something
that
that
person
can
tangibly
share
with
people
that
you
know
three
pages:
four
pages:
booklet
format
whatever
it
is
that
clearly
kind
of
maps
out
the
steps
for
for
an
applicant
and
and
the
process-
and
I
know
I
promised
you
a
booklet
that
came
out
you
know
a
couple
of
decades
ago.
C
I
mean
that's,
that's
something
we
can
look
into
as
well.
I
mean,
I
think,
that's
a
you
know
a
good
idea,
we'll
have
to
see
how
we
might
be
able
to
accomplish
that
and
can
kind
of
condense.
What's
in
the
official
policies
and
procedures
down
into
something
that
can
be
more
readily
made
available
to
constituents.
That
call
in
with
certain
types
of
questions.
B
And
something
that
because
I'm
sure
that
this
is
not
going
to
be
translated
but
something
smaller
that
can
be
translated.
Okay,
so
any
other
questions
that
anybody
else
has
so
are
we
meeting
on
thursday
evening.
C
No,
the
next
hearing
will
be
a
week
from
today,
tuesday
june
23rd
will
be
our
first
virtual
hearing
virtual
hearing
of
the
board.
C
A
Do
we
do
we
need
a
motion
to
accept
this
document
with
the
all
of
the
revisions.
C
Yet
this,
like,
I
said
this
is
still
in
draft
form
and
there
are
a
lot
of
additions
revisions
that
we
need
to
look
into.
So
you
know,
there's
potentially
going
to
be
another
meeting
at
which
we
would
adopt
that
the
board
would
adopt
this
or
to
have
further
discussion
of
it
with
whatever
might
be
necessary.
I
think
that
is
how
I
envision
that
right.
C
So
I
will,
you
know
again
begin
incorporating
all
the
suggestions
made
today,
as
well
as
some
other
things
that
we're
going
to
be
looking
into
for
possible
inclusion
in
the
document,
and
then
it
will
be
recirculated
for
further
comment
and
eventually
there
will
be
a
motion
and
a
vote
on
adopting
it
at
a
later
date.
B
C
B
Okay,
thank
you
any
other
questions
from
anybody
on
the
board.
It's
great
seeing
you
after
this
long
hiatus
and
so
may
I
have
a
motion
to
again.