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Boston Police Department Commissioner Search Committee: Community Forum - 1/26/2022
A
Okay,
are
we
does
that
do
for
our
interpreters.
B
I
apologize
we're
having
technical
difficulties
with
our
mandarin,
but
you
can
proceed.
Thank
you.
A
Okay,
thank
you
jennifer
and
again,
thank
you
again
to
all
our
all
of
our
interpreters
good
afternoon.
Everyone.
We
really
appreciate
you
being
here.
This
is
our
second
iteration
of
our
community
listening
sessions
with
our
bpd
search
committee.
My
name
is
dr
rufus
j
falk.
I
serve
as
the
director
for
the
mayor's
office
of
public
safety
and,
right
now
I
have
the
honor
of
introducing
our
chairper
chair,
chairperson
justice
church
early
nights.
C
Good
afternoon,
thank
you
very
much
for
everybody
who
has
taken
the
time
out
of
their
day
to
be
a
part
of
this
listening
session.
C
I
want
to
begin
by
thanking
mayor
mu
for
inviting
me
to
join
with
the
other
panel
members
to
take
on
this
incredibly
consequential
task
for
the
city
of
boston
searching
for
candidates
to
recommend
to
the
mayor
as
the
next
police.
Commissioner,
mayor
wu
has
already
committed
herself
to
transformational
change
in
our
police
department,
and
our
goal,
as
members
of
the
search
committee,
is
to
find
a
slate
of
candidates
who
are
all
of
whom
are
willing,
able
and
committed
to
the
kind
of
transformational
change
that
these
times
post
george
floyd
demands.
C
Everybody
understands,
I
think,
that
the
path
to
transformational
change
will
be
long
and
arduous,
and
I
hope
everybody
understands
also
that
this
process
will
only
achieve
a
leader
in
the
police
department
to
facilitate
that
change.
This
will
not
affect
the
change
that
most
of
us
in
this
city
want
to
see
in
policing
and
in
the
way
our
city
is
police.
The
everything
that
is
wrong
with
policing
won't
be
dealt
with
by
this
process.
C
That
is
a
ultimately
a
political
process
by
which
people
like
those
on
this
call
will
be
engaged
to
hold
political
leaders
to
account
for
everything
that
happens
with
that
process.
C
C
Other
members
of
the
committee
are
here
and,
if
any
other
member
of
the
committee
wishes
to
speak
at
this
time,
the
floor
is
open
to
you
before
we
go
back
to
dr
fogg
for
his
presentation
on
the
rules
governing
of
this
session.
C
If
not,
dr
I'll
turn
it
back
to
you.
A
Okay,
thank
you.
Thank
you,
just
the
signs
and
before
we
continue,
I
want
to
make
sure
we
give
an
opportunity
for
our
mandarin
interpreter
to
introduce
themselves
before
we
get
started.
Terry.
D
A
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
Terry
and
again,
I
just
want
to
echo
justice
han's
sentiments
that
we
really
appreciate
the
community
showing
up
during
the
day
and
and
putting
their
voices
forward
as
we
begin
this
process.
So
right
now,
I'm
just
going
to
go
over
a
bit
of
just
just
house,
k,
house,
cleaning
rules
and
regulations,
some
sort
of
some
expectations
around
the
listening
session,
the
first
being
that
which
brianna
already
mentioned
that
that
this
listening
session
is
gonna,
be
recorded.
A
It's
an
opportunity
for
the
administration
to
be
able
to
not
only
to
go
back
and
make
sure
we
really
can
dive
in
depth
with
the
commentary,
but
also
that
we
can
be
able
to
keep
the
chat.
The
information
from
the
chat,
some
of
those
great
questions
that
you
guys
will
be
adding
so
that
we
can
record
those
and
make
sure
that
they're
being
implemented
and
instituted
as
we
move
forward.
A
Second,
one
being
in
terms
of
the
the
zoom
people
are
muting
right
now
and
you
have
the
ability
to
use
the
chat
function
function
to
put
your
questions
in
there
as
well,
but
also
that
if
you
do
have
a
question
that
you
have
an
opportunity
to
be
unmuted
by
the
administration,
so
you
have
an
opportunity
to
actually
question
live
and
in
person
and
we're
giving
every
individual
three
minutes,
and
I
will
have
a
stop
recorder
to
make
sure
that
we
sort
of
give
everybody
their
their
due
time
and
we're
not
cutting
folks
off,
but
we'll
also
give
folks
an
opportunity
to
fully
express
and
vet
their
thoughts
out.
A
Also
again,
this
session
is
going
to
be
one
hour,
so
we
want
to
get
the
question.
Answers
start
started
going
as
soon
as
possible
and
with
that
I
think
we'll
start
by
by
opening
the
floor
for
individuals
who
might
have
any
questions
or
want
have
any
perspectives
that
they
want
to
begin
this
conversation,
and
if
you
don't,
we
have
some
prompt
questions
that
will
be
put
in
the
chat
disorder
to
get
the
conversations
going.
A
Let's
see
if
we
have
an
individual
already
there,
but
I
think
that
we'll
have
somebody
put
those
prompt
questions
in
there,
just
basically
just
asking
around
what
are
some
of
your
thoughts
when
you
think
about
the
commissioner,
what
are
some
of
your
views
and
perspectives
about
bpd
as
a
whole,
and
how
do
you
envision
public
safety
moving
forward,
and
I
think
we
have
one
in
our
first
individual?
E
Yes,
hi
everyone
brianna
chief
of
community
engagement,
supporting
rufus
and
facilitating
today,
so
the
three
questions
are:
what
do
you
and
your
community
want
to
see
in
the
next
police
commissioner?
E
A
And
I'm
sorry,
but
just
one
more
point
as
well
so
for
individuals
want
to
ask
a
question
similar
to
what
k
did
you're
going
to
go
down
to
the
reaction
to
be
able
to
actually
raise
your
hand
and
once
your
your
hand
is
ready,
we'll
begin
the
process
of
unmuting
individuals?
Okay,
my
apologies
for
cutting
you
off,
but
I'll
stop
I'll
start.
The
timer
now.
F
Great
no
problem
at
all,
thank
you,
dr
faulk,
and
and
thank
you
so
much
to
the
chair,
justice
hines
for
your
service
and
to
the
members
of
the
committee
and
the
folks
on
the
administration
who
are
here
today.
My
name
is
kade
crawford.
I'm
here
representing
the
aclu
of
massachusetts.
F
F
So,
first
off,
we
have
seen
that
too
often
discipline
issues,
including
even
criminality,
on
the
part
of
some
police
officers
related
to
things
you
know
varying
from
overtime.
F
F
Third,
we
believe
that
the
next
commissioner
should
welcome
efforts
to
reduce
the
roles
and
responsibilities
of
the
boston
police
department
for
years.
Advocates
have
been
calling
for
reduction
in
the
police
budget
and
to
shift
some
functions
away
from
the
boston
police,
and
we
think
it's
very
important
that
boston
hire
a
commissioner
who
agrees
that
certain
functions
that
are
currently
performed
by
the
police
are
best
executed
by
other
governmental
and
even
non-governmental
organizations,
and
should
be
a
willing
partner,
not
an
obstacle
in
those
efforts.
F
Fourth,
the
commissioner
should
promote
public
health
and
community
safety
by
supporting
harm
reduction
efforts
specifically
supporting
the
creation
of
safe
consumption
sites,
as
well
as
treating
drug
use
like
the
public
health
problem
that
it
is
by
by
ceasing
to
arrest
people
for
simple
drug
possession.
We
know
massachusetts
department
of
public
health
data
has
told
us
that
people
are
120
times
more
likely
to
overdose
upon
release
from
incarceration.
F
We
cannot
continue
to
arrest
people
for
the
crime
of
substance
use
disorder.
Fifth,
the
commissioner
should
have
a
demonstrated
commitment
to
policing
procedures
that
are
both
lawful
and
just
and
for
the
committee
to
understand
the
depth
and
breadth
of
this
commitment.
F
We
really
encourage
you
not
just
to
look
at
any
applicant
statements,
but
also
to
their
record
in
the
communities
where
they
have
previously
held
leadership
positions
and
to
talk
to
the
aclu
in
that
community
to
talk
to
civil
rights
organizations
and
community
advocates
about
the
degree
to
which
the
rhetoric
that
you're
hearing
from
an
applicant
really
matches
up
with
their
record
in
the
communities
where
they've
previously
served
and
then
finally,
we
believe
it's
very
important
that
the
next
police,
commissioner,
be
someone
who
is
aligned
with
the
democratic
vision
of
policing
in
boston
and
just
one
example
of
that
is
in
2018.
F
As
we
all
know,
the
voters
of
suffolk
county
elected
rachel
rollins
to
be
our
district
attorney
and
d.a
rollins,
had
campaigned
on
a
promise
to
focus
on
serious
crimes
and
not
to
prosecute
lower
level
offenses.
However,
we
never
heard
an
attendant
commitment
from
the
boston
police
department
not
to
arrest
for
many
of
those
lower
level,
offenses
that
in
fact,
adas
often
do
not
prosecute.
We
know
that
people
can
face
very
serious,
ongoing
problems
simply
because
they're
arrested,
even
if
they're
never
prosecuted-
and
I
know
I've
been
speaking
for
a
long
time
so
I'll
just.
G
F
A
No,
I
we,
I
think
we
all
appreciate
that
that
kate-
and
I
and
you
submitted
these
these
comments
all
as
well
as
in
paper
form
as
well
right,
your
your
commentary,
oh
she's,
muted
now,
but
thank
you
thank
you.
Kaden.
I
was
reminded
that
we
should
remember
to
sort
of
speak
slower
for
our
interpreters
and
I
will,
as
somebody
who
has
a
habit
of
speaking
fast
I'll,
make
sure
that
I
continue
to
remind
myself
to
do
so
again.
A
We
have
questions
in
the
in
the
prompt
again
asking
about
the
role
of
bpd,
your
sort
of
vision
for
public
safety,
moving
forward
with
your
ideas
and
sort
of
attributes
of
what
he
believed
should
be
exhibited
by
the
next
commissioner.
So
for
individuals
asking
questions,
please
use
that
raised
hand
feature,
and
let's
keep
this
conversation
going.
A
A
H
Sorry,
I
lost
my
glasses
delivering
food,
so
I'll
get
to
get
my
shades.
I
want
to
thank
just
the
signs
and
members
of
the
committee
for
your
leadership
and
taking
the
time
to
allow
us
to
submit
our
concerns.
Clearly,
I've
been
able
to
work
with
a
number
of
people
on
here
addressing
the
significant
public
safety
issues
that
face
our
city
at
the
same
time
deal
with
some
of
the
challenges
that
has
taken
place
within
the
police
department.
H
We
are
looking
forward
to
continuing
very
strong
police
committing
partnerships
in
addressing
these
safety
issues.
We
really
look
forward
to
you
identifying
and
recruiting
candidates
that
understand
the
importance
of
having
strong
police
community
relationships.
At
the
same
time
of
understanding,
how
do
we
have
transparency
when
there's
challenges
that
come
within
the
department?
How
do
we,
in
a
timely
fashion,
address
those
challenges
and
deal
with
in
a
comprehensive
way?
H
How
can
we
resolve
some
of
those
issues,
and
I
agree
with
the
previous
comment
about
the
civil
service
and
trying
to
deal
with
some
of
the
challenges
that
come
up
with
the
collective
bargaining?
How
can
we
deal
with
that?
H
Those
issues
from
preventing
more
prop
resolution
of
conflicts
and
issues
have
come
up
as
we
go
forward.
There
are
many
people
within
the
department
that
are
very
strong
partners
with
the
community.
H
Clearly
the
commissioner
who
is
selected
to
really
reach
out
to
mamlio
and
some
of
our
other
law
enforcement
officers
of
color
who
have
different
groups.
We
have
very
clear
perspectives
of
some
of
the
racial
disparities
that
have
taken
place
within
discipline
within
leadership
opportunities,
just
within
the
whole
promotion
of
their
follow-through.
H
At
the
same
time,
we
also
have
very
clear
needs
for
specialized
city-wide
units,
because
a
lot
of
our
issues
are
city-wide,
so
I
do
want
to
point
out
the
particular
this.
The
school
police
unit,
the
you
find
strike
force
and
the
drug
control
units
have
all
been
very,
very
helpful
in
addressing
a
lot
of
the
concerns
that
residents
on
an
ongoing
basis
have
raised
within
the
growth
fall
area
of
the
area
that
I've
been
able
to
work
with
for
for
over
the
last
20
25
years.
H
So
as
we
go
forward,
clearly
we
need
people.
We
need
a
commission,
that's
really
going
to
prioritize
the
reaching
out
to
young
people,
making
sure
that
young
people
are
included
as
part
of
this
process.
I
really
appreciate
work
that
mr
forrester
has
done
and
I
think
some
of
the
work
that
he's
done
can
really
be
elevated
in
terms
of
how
do
we
get
young
people
to
buy
in
to
feel
that
they
can
be
a
part
of
this
whole
process
in
terms
of
understanding?
H
A
Thank
you
mike
and
again
another
reminder
to
just
try
to
remember
to
slow
down.
We
are
giving
our
responses
to
allow
our
interpreters
to
be
able
to
capture
all
of
your
thoughts
and
insight,
and
you
have
a
few
more
hands.
I
Yes,
I
haven't
seen
that
function
before.
Thank
you.
My
name
is
nina
salvaggio.
I
live
in
hyde
park
and
have
for
almost
20
years
originally
from
chicago.
I
think
the
next.
The
responsibility
of
the
next
police,
commissioner,
is
some
of
what
mike
talked
about.
With
regards
to
transparency,
I
also
think
there
is
a
lack
of.
I
I
think
there
needs
to
be
a
different
approach
to
policing.
I
think
we
all
think
that
that's
why
most
of
us
are
here,
and
I
think
representation
with
women
is
incredibly
lacking
and
the
city
massachusetts.
Demographics,
about
30
percent
are
people
of
color.
You
know
over
half
are
women
and
the
police
department.
I
Last
time
I
looked
was
about
14
15
women
so
really
really
far
from
any
kind
of
equity
or
parity,
and
there's
been
numerous
studies
in
research
that
show
women
police
differently
and
that's
based
on
communication
style,
gender
socialization,
and
I
think
we
would
benefit
from
more
women
in
leadership
roles
in
positions
where
their
input
makes
a
difference
so
being
forced
to
work
the
midnight
shift
or
the
first
half.
I
When
you
are
a
mom,
maybe
a
single
mom
there's
something
built
into
the
the
formula
of
being
a
police
officer
that
implies,
if
you
have
a
family,
someone
else
at
home
is
taking
care
of
them,
and
I
know
from
personal
experience-
that's
not
always
the
case,
and
so
then,
what
does
that
mean
for
parents
or
working
moms
who
want
to
be
a
police
officer,
want
the
benefits
of
it?
So
there's
that
aspect
I
think,
there's
something
inherent
that
limits
the
recruitment
pool.
I
I
also
think
like
toxic
masculinity
right
like
what
are
we
teaching
recruits
in
the
police
academy?
How
do
we
talk
about
communication?
How
do
we
talk
about
power
dynamics
like
what
is
all
of
that?
What
are
we
training
them
to
do
right,
like?
Obviously,
we
want
police
officers
to
diffuse
and
stay
safe
but
at
the
same
time
there's
a
lot
of
things
about
gender
that
come
into
play
with
how
we
how
we
police
in
this
country,
so
I
would
love
someone
who's
open
to
that
different
mindset.
I
I
A
Thank
you
so
much
nina
for
your
commentary.
Much
much!
It's
much
appreciated
our
next
participant,
mr
cavallo.
J
Yes,
it
is
afternoon
just
certainly
proud
to
be
in
this
moment
with
all
of
you,
and
I
want
to
appreciate
you,
dr
falk,
see
chief
miller,
justice,
tynes
heinz
me
past,
commissioner
dave's
abigail
everybody
but
excited
to
be
in
this
space
and
I'm
the
ed
as
in
the
director
of
the
boston
rights
commission,
I'm
in
city
hall,
you
could
probably
see
the
background
a
little
bit,
but
I
also
had
a
privilege
to
be
a
prosecutor
in
the
city
of
boston
for
for
a
few
years
and
then
actually
was
elected
at
a
privilege
to
be
on
beacon
hill
as
a
state
representative
and
work
on
police
reform.
J
So
this
issue
is
near
and
dear
to
my
heart.
In
fact,
I
was
at
on
the
board
of
team
empowerment.
So
keep
up
the
good
work,
mr
forrester,
but
so
I
bring
my
my
greetings
in
that
regard
on
behalf
of
perhaps
in
my
current
capacity,
but
with
the
experience
of
having
been
at
the
table.
If
you
will
over
the
past,
I
was
a
prosecutor.
10
years
ago
I
am
roxbury
and
then
I
prosecuted
gun
cases
downtown
as
well.
J
So
so,
when
I
think
about
you
know
when
I
think
about
the
police
and
where
policing
is
in
america,
think
about
you
know
where
we've
come
from
right.
If
you
think
about
almost
10
years
ago,
when
black
men
were
being
killed
throughout
the
country,
you
know
I
think
at
that
point
I
was
a
state
rep.
You
know
there
was
a
lot
of
sort
of
hands
off
sort
of
space.
J
This
does
not
happen
in
the
city
of
boston
right,
you
know,
but
police
and
police
officers
on
a
daily
basis
felt
it
right
felt
the
sort
of
the
backlash
against
police
and
policing
in
general
right
and
then
you
fast
forward
to
2020
and
george
floyd.
You
know
various
things
happen.
We
we
we
changed
legislation
at
the
state
level
to
create
the
post
commission
right
and
now
we
have
within
city
hall.
J
I
see
my
good
friend
and
colleague,
stephanie
everett
here
with
the
opat
office
and
some
of
the
changes
with
the
co-op
system,
certainly
with
the
you
know,
with
the
with
the
change
within
city
hall.
So
what
I
think
about
this
new
police,
commissioner
right,
I
even
think
about
you-
know
seeing
willy
cross
standing
at
the
podium
and
saying
we
welcome
the
changes
that
the
police
task
force
made.
You
know
recommended
for
the
city
right
which
again
created
the
opet
office
right
when
I
think
about
the
next
person.
J
So
where
do
we
want
to
go
now
right?
We
want
to
what
who's
this
person
is
going
to
take
this
work
to
the
next
level
right.
The
specifics
I
mean.
Obviously
we
can
talk
about
transparency
and
accountability,
and
certainly
you
know
information
to
the
public
and
working
with
the
public,
but
really
this
person
needs
to
sort
of.
I
think
one
other
person
mentioned
this
earlier
is
that
this
person
needs
to
sort
of
look
at.
J
What's
happened,
particularly
the
recommendations
again
of
2020,
but
take
it
to
the
next
level
reimagine,
how
we
think
about
policing
reimagine
what
it
is
to
be
a
police
officer
in
america
and
in
the
city
of
boston.
So
you
know
I
I
yield
my
the
rest
of
my
time
to
to
the
members
of
the
public,
but
really
we
need
someone,
that's
a
visionary.
I
know
some
of
you
know.
I
ran
for
d.a
as
well.
J
What
rachel
rollins
did
right
to
sort
of
reimagine
prosecution,
it's
sort
of
what
I'm
talking
about
here
like
what
it
does.
It's
not
the
same
thing
as
just
you
know
implementing,
for
you
know
various
reforms.
It's
not
the
same
thing
by
abiding
the
laws,
thinking
outside
the
box
right
and
doing
things
that
we
want
in
america,
for
our
police
officers
to
do
so
I'll
end
that
doctor.
J
A
You
thank
you
for
your
commentary
in
bonjour
and
again,
I
think
you
hit
on
a
good
point
that
this
idea
about
the
reimagination
of
public
safety
does
not
stop
with
bpa
does
not
stop
with
the
commissioners.
The
role
that
we
all
should
be
looking
to
play,
because
we
all
have
some
insight
and
experience
that
we
can
lend
to
this.
This,
like
you,
said
this
reimagining
of
how
we
engage
with
the
criminal
justice
system
and
policing
in
general
in
the
city
of
boston.
A
So
again,
questions
please
use
the
the
raised
hand
feature
that
that
is
in
the
reaction
tab
at
the
bottom
again,
those
those
questions
are
sort
of
leading
questions
that
we
have
or
asking
you
about.
What
are
your
thoughts
around
the
new,
the
new
commissioner?
What
do
you
think
the
role
is?
What
do
you
think
some
of
the
priorities
that
they
should
have?
We've
heard
buzzwords
like
community
policing,
I've
heard
things
like
mental
health.
How
do
you
feel
in
terms
of
the
new
commission,
or
what
do
you
think
that
or
how?
A
What
type
of
role
should
they
play
in
the
institution
of
those
of
those
new
initiatives
or
those
priority
areas
we're
talking
about
public
safety
as
a
whole?
What
are
your
visions
for
public
safety
as
a
whole,
and
how
do
you
want
to
see
our
police
department
to
move
as
we
move
forward
as
a
city
moving
together?
So
again,
questions
raised
hand
feature,
don't
be
shy.
E
I
was
gonna
have
just
introduced
our
one
of
our
committee
members
that
just
joined
bishop
dickerson
and
I
also
wanted
to
flag.
If
you
are,
if
you
do
not
want
to
publicly
speak,
we
do
have
a
survey
that
is
translated
into
12
different
languages
and
it
lives
on
this
site.
So
I'll
just
drop
it
here,
but
again
to
dr
dr
rufus
felt's
point.
If
you
do
want
to
vocalize
your
concerns
or
comments,
please
go
to
the
reaction
function
at
the
bottom
of
your
screen
and
use
the
raised
hand
function.
K
I'm
sorry,
I
had
had
a
meeting
to
go
over
over
time
and
I'm
glad
to
be
here
william
dickerson
one
of
the
on
the
committee
members
and-
and
I
have
a
back,
did
we
do
the
introductions
or
you
know.
K
Yeah-
and
so
I
yeah
I-
I
I've-
been
doing
prison
ministry
for
for
a
number
of
years
over
35
years
and
I'm
a
former
chaplain
with
the
boston
police
department,
I'm
a
senior
pastor
of
greater
love
tabernacle
in
dorchester,
and
I'm
glad
glad
we
have
these
candid
discussions
to
help
shape
the
reality
of
what
we
would
like
to
see
for
as
far
as
a
new
police,
commissioner,
that
would
present
it.
K
You
know
before
the
mayor,
so
thank
you
to
justice
hines
and
to
the
mayor's
staff
and
to
all
those
who
are
on
this
call
on
today.
God
bless
you.
L
I
thank
you
for
your
time.
My
name
is
teresa
rodriguez.
I
live
in
jamaica,
plain.
I've
lived
there
for
about
25
years.
I
grew
up
in
cambridge,
I'm
a
teacher
and
have
worked
in
bps
and
other
charter
schools,
and
I
guess
I
agree
with
many
of
the
things
people
have
shared
project
right
and
other
organizations.
I
didn't
know
if
you
could
consider
the
same
way
that
bps
has
eight
languages
that
it
considers
kind
of.
I
guess
bps
languages
that
they
translate
everything
into.
L
Obviously,
we
need
translators
in
this
meeting
and
always
available,
but
I
think
that
would
be
just
another
sign
of
a
welcome
change
in
how
we
see
that-
and
I
guess
the
last
thing
I
would
say,
as
a
person
who
has
family
members
that
work
in
specialized
units,
I
do
find
that
when
they
go
through
themselves,
traumatizing
events,
I
wish
it
was
required
that
they
check
in
with
the
mental
health
providers
that
are
available.
I
know
they've
supported
many
officers
and
the
peer
supporters
helped,
but
sometimes
I
wish
it
was.
L
You
are
required
to
go.
You
can
check
in
and
then
you
make
a
plan
from
there,
but
at
least
after
having
been
in
traumatic
circumstances
themselves.
I
wish
it
was
a
department
policy
or
someone
who
was
open
to
that
idea
that
it
wasn't
like
go
ahead.
If
you
want
to,
it
was
a
requirement
after
very
difficult
circumstances
and
having
seen
people
that
I'm
very
close
to
go
from
previous
and
the
bombing
situation
and
just
working
days
on
end
and
even
now,
responding
to
more
acute
circumstances.
I
feel
like.
L
I
know
the
resources
are
there
and
have
been
used,
but
I
sort
of
wish
that
we
would
look
for
someone
that
made
it
a
policy
that
they
had
to
go
even
just
once,
because
then
it
opens
up
the
possibility
of
that
being
something
that
is
an
aberration,
that
you
would
go
just
because
I
think
that
trauma
that
the
officers
themselves
have
comes
home
to
the
family
as
well.
A
Thank
you.
Thank
you
so
much
for
your
poignant
commentary
and
offering
a
policy
suggestion
as
well,
and
I
think
also
in
the
chat
form,
if,
if
individuals
have
ideas
around
policies
that
they
would
like
to
see
enacted
within
their
communities
or
in
policing
as
a
whole
or
around
particular
issues,
please
feel
free
to
add
those
to
the
chat
or
to
use
a
raised
hand
feature
and
be
able
to
ask
those
questions
live
so
again.
A
M
It's
not
easy
for
mildred,
I'm
sorry!
I
don't
know
how
he
came.
Oh
hi,
hi,
I'm
sorry!
I
don't
know
how
I
came
up
easy,
but
yeah.
I
don't
know
if
anyone
has
brought
this
up
already,
but
I
would
love
to
see
more
of
what
the
community
engagement
team
is
doing
in
bpd,
see
more
of
nora's
staff
and
more
of
that
policing,
and
also
seeing
more
commanders
more
people
in
higher
ranks
doing
some
of
the
things
that
herself
and
like
when
we
come
out
there.
M
You
see
her
in
gerard
and
they're,
interacting
and
they're,
actually
actually
asking
other
officers
to
interact,
and
it's
even
when
we
have
events-
and
you
know
they're
more.
You
know
wanting
to
know
if
the
officers
are
not
interacting
or
not
participating,
they're
pushing
for
that.
So
we
would
love
to
see
more
of
that.
I
don't
know
how
that
would
work.
M
C
Could
I
just
pose
a
question
to
the
people
who
are
gathered
here?
What
is
the
single
most
important
quality
that
you
think
we
should
be
looking
for
what?
What
is
the
quality?
That
is
a
deal
breaker
if
this
person
does
not
possess
this
quality,
what
is
essential,
what
is
the
single
most
essential
quality
that
we
should
be
looking
for.
A
K
Yeah,
I
think
I
I
think,
having
a
bridge
builder,
I
think
you
know
be
good
if
people
start
thinking
along
those
lines,
a
person
who,
out
of
the
bridge
bridges
the
gaps
between
different
ethnic
groups,
of
different
and
different
demographics
of
people.
You
know
trans
transgenerational.
K
Somebody
knows
how
to
work
with
different
age
groups.
You
know
someone
mentioned
earlier
about
the
the
the
women
and
how
they're
perceived
and
how
they,
how
they
police
versus
the
males,
how
they
police
and
it
takes
a
unique
individual
to
bridge
gaps
from
a
plethora
of
different
perspectives.
So
I
think
that's
very,
very
key.
N
No
thanks,
I
I
think
it's
going
to
take
tremendous
courage
for
a
person
who
is
a
visionary
for
a
person
who
wants
to
be
open
to
change.
It's
not
going
to
be
easy.
We
know
change
is
hard
and
that
person
needs
to
be
a
tremendous
listener,
but
also
have
the
courage
of
their
convictions
so
to
not
only
push
for,
but
to
help.
People
understand
change
and
continue
to
communicate
that.
So
it's
going
to
be
a
major
it's
going
to
require
tremendous
courage.
E
Thank
you
so
much
for
that
these
qualities
coming
through
the
chat,
compassionate
someone
who's
open
to
challenging
the
status
quo.
Thank
you
for
sharing
those
and
now
I'm
new
evan.
G
Hi,
thank
you
so
much
evan
george
of
a
community
member
here
in
dorchester,
and
I
fully
agree
with
all
of
the
virtues
that
people
are
expressing
things
like
compassion,
courage,
empathy
and
I
know
how
difficult
that
would
be
during
an
interview
process
to
be
able
to
assess
and
measure
those
articulately.
G
So
I
think
something
which
would
be
a
great
indicator
of
those
qualities
is
a
police
commissioner,
who
can
articulate
and
is
fully
behind
the
idea
that
a
government
agency
cannot
be
expected
to
monitor
and
investigate
itself,
and
I
I
think
that
would
be
a
very
bold
look
for
somebody
who
has
sort
of
that
understanding
that
we
cannot
expect
any
organization,
never
mind
the
police
themselves
to
conduct
their
own
internal
investigations
and
have
that
awareness
that
it
is
vital
to
the
success
of
the
boston
police
department,
that
independent
agencies
or
an
independent
government
body
be
in
charge
of
that
regulatory
systems.
A
A
A
Any
other
attributes
or
thoughts
or
sort
of
behaviors,
or
even
a
history
that
folks
on
this
call,
but
would
love
to
see
the
next
commissioner
to
actually
possess
and
actually
actually
has
has
put
into
practice
as
well,
that
it's
not
all
theory,
but
he
also
has
some
have
some
practical
experience.
Doing
these
things
as
well,
any
thoughts,
additional
thoughts.
E
A
We've
heard
we've
heard
this
this
concept
of
community
policing
a
lot
it'll
be
good
to
hear
what
folks
thoughts
are
or
definition
of
community
policing
is,
will
be
good.
As
a
community.
We
can
have
a
sort
of
a
unifying
definition
of
that
that
we
can
sort
of
more
work
from
I've.
A
I've
heard
ramil
did
mention
having
officers
who
were
president
community
events
outside
of
police
cars,
or
are
there
other
ideas
that
folks
have
when
community
policing
comes
to
mind,
and
is
that
something
that
that
the
next
commissioner
should
be
a
leader
of
so
I'll
be
interested
to
hear
that
as
well,
but
thoughts,
please
use
the
raised
hand,
feature
or
just
utilize
the
the
chat
function
as
well.
A
E
Co-Signing
that
I'm
so
there's
some
familiar
names,
and
I
know
that
you
guys
have
very
insightful
thoughts
and
input
and
we
we,
as
a
committee
we
as
a
city
def,
desperately
need
want
and
need
to
hear
your
thoughts
on
this
very
important
decision.
So
please
take
this
opportunity
to
do
so.
I
see
some
people
like
okay,
reverend
davey,
I'm
gonna
mute.
You.
C
O
Well,
thank
you
to
be
a
part
of
rufus.
You
know
I
was
trying
to
just
listen
and
be,
and
I
don't
want
to
be
repetitive,
but
when
you,
when
we
speak
in
terms
of
community
policing,
I
don't
want
you
know
to
reiterate
anything
that
has
already
been
said.
But
communities
are
just
being
present.
You
know
having
the
commission
really
be
present,
we
used
to
do
in
the
past
a
lot
of
community
walks
using
a
lot
of
door.
O
Knocking
was
part
of
training,
the
law
enforcement
to
engaging
with
the
store
owner,
getting
to
know
the
store
owners
as
well
small
businesses
and
and
and
supporting
small
business
as
well
having
active
dialogue
with
with
with
the
youth,
not
just
the
youth
in
the
schools,
but
also
the
youth
that
are,
you
know
not
perhaps
not
connected
to
the
school
but
are
kind
of
living.
O
You
know
trying
to
survive
in
the
street
and
it's
really
reaching
out
as
well
to
them
to
even
provide
a
safe
space
for
them
to
share
some
of
their
struggles.
What
they're
going
through
so,
I
believe
in
in
you
know,
we
know
we
went
through
from
just
doing
night
walks
because
it's
not
like
during
the
day,
but
it's
also
during
some
of
the
evening
hours
to
really
build
and
connect
with
community
who
may
not
come
out
to
these
community
meetings.
O
But
just
you
know,
try
to
meet
them
where
they
are
and
just
having
a
convention.
That's
open
to
doing
that
and
open
to
allowing
even
the
law
enforcement
to
actually
participate
even
evening
hours
to
just
have
these
dialogues
and
conversation
and
build
relationships
with
a
lot
of
the
young
people
that
are
in
the
community
in
the
streets.
O
A
You
thank
you.
Thank
you
rev,
and
from
that
commentary
it
sounds
like
just
an
acknowledgment
that
the
the
police
department
is
a
part
of
the
community
and
folks
within
the
community.
Don't
just
don't
want
to
see
the
police
when
incidents
occur.
We
want
to
see
the
police
to
be
a
part
of
events
that
are
happening,
whether
it
be
basketball
tournaments
or
whether
it
be
seeing
kids
outside
of
school
to
be
more
integral
into
the
day-to-day
work
within
the
community
to
really
establish
those
relationships
that
that
you
were
talking
about.
A
C
Dr,
we
were
talking
just
now
and
there
were
a
lot
of
comments
about
personal
qualities
that
we
should
be
looking
for.
C
I
would
be
interested
to
know
what
the
members
of
the
community
think
about
which
police
reform
is
the
most
important
thing
that
we
should
insist
that
the
new
police
commissioner
be
committed
to
somebody
just
mentioned
outside
review
independent
review.
There
were.
There
have
been
a
lot
of
suggestions
about
changes
that
people
want
to
see,
and
I'm
I'm
interested
in
hearing
what
the
community
has
to
say
about
helping
us
to
prioritize
the
ideas
that
everybody
has
been
expressing
over
these
last
two
meetings.
C
E
Maybe
we
see
helen
what
and
hopefully
can
address
some
of
justice
heinz
questions
just
unmuted
you.
P
So
I
got
my
start
at
the
boston
police
department
have
since
had
experience
being
union
leadership
and
served
at
the
executive
level
elsewhere.
Now
I'm
a
full-time
lecturer
in
criminology
and
managed
corporate
internal
investigations.
I
was
one
of
three
asian
females
not
of
mixed
race,
and
there
were
not
that
many
more
of
mixed
race.
When
I
was
with
bpd,
it
was
a
very,
very
hostile
work
environment
for
the
third
asian
woman
on
that
department
and
the
first
to
go
to
special
operations.
P
The
last
time
it
was
mentioned
that
the
elephant
in
the
room
was
having
ed
davis
on
the
search
committee,
since
he
was
voted,
no
confidence
by
the
massachusetts
association
of
minority
law
enforcement
officers
when
the
bigger
elephant
in
the
room.
Why
we're
here
is
because
it
is
coming
out
more
and
more
the
culture
of
cover-up
and
corruption
within
the
boston
police
department
when
it
comes
to
officer-involved
sex
crimes.
M
P
A
A
We
see
some
other
policies
that
folks
have
mentioned,
and
we
also
see
folks
who
are
commending
helen
for
bravery
for
forgiving
her
statement,
and
I
I
want
to
second
that
as
well
justice
hines,
I
think
we're
running
into
the
final
10
minutes.
So
it
might
be
at
this
time
might
be
an
opportunity
for
us
to
make
sure
that
again
still
giving
folks
opportunity
if
they
want
to
ask
questions.
We
still
have
a
few
minutes
to
do
so,
but
just
want
to.
A
Let
folks
know
that
we
are
closing
in
on
the
final
10
minutes,
and
but
this
isn't
the
end
of
the
community
engagement
process.
A
J
A
Work
every
day
and
also
the
the
words
of
individuals
who
live
within
the
communities
that
that
bpd
serve.
So
again,
we
want
to
leave
a
few
minutes
for
folks
who
want
to
put
their
commentary
in
the
chat
and
again
we
are
recording
the
chat.
Also
recording
this,
this
the
zoom
meeting
as
well,
to
make
sure
that
we
can
fully
go
through
and
really
dissect
and
really
take
in
all
the
information
that
our
participants
gave
us.
A
C
Okay,
if
nobody
else
is
volunteering,
let
me
just
close
out
by
saying
this
conversation
has
been
so
rich
with
ideas,
and
I
am
personally
inspired
by
the
passion
and
the
commitment
that
those
who
have
participated
has
shown
have
shown
in
their
comments
the
thoughtful
ideas
that
that
people
have
brought
to
us.
I
can't
wait
to
get
into
this
transcript.
C
I've
been
keeping
notes,
but
I'm
sure
I
didn't
didn't
grab
ahold
of
everything
important
that
was
said
here
today,
especially
in
the
chat,
and
I
want
to
just
express
the
appreciation
that
I
know
every
member
of
the
committee
feels
for
the
time
and
effort
that
everyone
has
put
in
to
enlighten
us
on
this
process,
and
we
will
do
everything
we
can
to
take
heed
of
what's
been
spoken
here.
C
I
don't
think
that
anybody
needs
to
be
concerned
that
that
what
has
been
said
here
will
be
forgotten
and
that
this
is
part
of
some
show
process,
absolutely
not
we're
all
committed
to
taking
to
heart
the
important
and
meaningful
comments
that
people
have
made
here
today.
Thank
you.
So
much.
E
Thank
you
to
wrap
up
this
session.
I
just
want
to
remind
I
will
drop
the
survey
in
the
chat.
Please
share
it
with
anyone
that
was
and
wasn't
able
to
make
it
today.
The
survey
gives
you
space
to
talk
about
your
experience,
as
well
as
concrete
suggestions
on
what
you
should
be
thinking
about
and
who
in
shaping,
who
the
next
police,
commissioner
should
be.
Thank
you
once
again-
and
this
is
the
first
of
many
conversations
so
thank
you
so
much.