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From YouTube: Public Improvement Commission Hearing 1/28/2021
Description
The Boston Public Improvement Commission (PIC) is the owner and regulator of the City's rights of way. The PIC plays an integral role in the City's development and permitting process. From the restaurant that wants to add a seasonal cafe on the public sidewalk, to the developer who wants to construct an underground parking garage for a new housing development, or the homeowner who wants to add an architectural feature to a house that juts into the public space, each must seek approval from the PIC to have its private venture occupy public space, either permanently or on a licensed basis.
A
A
A
Within
the
following
public
ways
and
protests
consisting
of
kerbal
realignment,
roadway
and
sidewalk
reconstruction,
as
well
as
new
relocated,
pedestrian
ramps,
especially
utility
infrastructure,
bio
attention,
the
structure
of
landscaping
and
a
race
crosswalk.
E
E
E
Mike
davis
from
the
boston
harvard
school
commission,
let's
give
you
a
brief
review
of
the
project
in
collaboration
with
the
watershed
commission
and
as
co
petitioners
for
proposing
the
copper
squared
given
with
us
in
dorchester.
E
As
part
of
this
project,
I
will
propose
to
supplement
some
existing
safety
improvements
recently
through
the
foster
transportation
department's
vision,
zero
initiative
with
constructive
improvements
that
will
include
curb
extensions,
improved
pedestrian
ramps
and
crosstalks,
and
provide
fire
retention
areas
that
we
maintain
by
the
common
category.
C
E
A
G
Several
bump
outs
that
jeff
alluded
to
to
short
crosswalks
include
pedestrian
axis
one
here
at
this
corner.
This
will
have
a
bio
retention
area
which
I'll
point
out
in
a
minute
there's
another
one
here,
there's
a
big
block
crossing
and
each
side
will
have
again
a
bioretention
area
with
a
bump
out
this
corner
here
again
is
another
fire
retention
area
with
a
bump
out,
and
then
we
have
some
more
over
here
at
the
intersection
of
whitfield
and
norfolk
street.
G
G
G
This
location
here
is
that
tire
in
washington.
I
think
this
was
shown
to
the
commission
before
during
the
business.
G
This
area
has
a
double
pedestrian
ramp
to
serve
both
sides
of
talbot,
the
areas
to
the
left
and.
H
G
Of
the
pedestrian
ramp
are
the
bioretention
areas,
and
this
is
the
areas
that
allow
stormwater,
stonewater
probe
to
flow
in
through
curved
inlets
in
various
locations
and
the
water
enters
into
a
bioretention
area
of
filtrates
through
the
biotension
soil
through
sand
layers
into
a
storage
area
of
crushed
stone
and
then,
if
needed,
into
an
overflow
pipe
into
the
drainage
system.
And
again
these
areas
are
going
to
be
planted
with
several
different
varieties
of
plants.
E
I
I
F
A
What
a
great
project
that
says
advancing
so
many
of
our
shared
costs
and
thank
you
guys.
That's
a
minor
detail
adjustment,
that's
basically
between
the
two
head
wraps
at
the
corner
of
washington
and
and
talbot
thinking
up
in
your
business.
Another
question
for
comments
from
members
of
the
commission
on
this
project.
A
See
if
there's
members
of
the
public,
we
looked
at
we're
going
to
testify
in
a
moment.
If
you
are
interested
in
testifying,
please
feel
free
to
either
use
the
raise
hand,
feature
or
put
your
name
in
the
chat
and
we'll
call
them
from
there
todd
robbie
any
questions
or
comments.
J
No
we're
all
set
on
this.
We've
received
the
license
maintenance
and
indemnification
agreements
from
with
signatures
from
both
water
and
sewer
and
cotton
academy.
So
we
appreciate
the
prompt
attention
to
that.
A
Great
thanks
so
much
looks
like
our
new
is
on.
C
Hi
I've
been
incredibly
excited
by
this
project
for
a
number
of
reasons.
Just
the
app
initiation
itself
has
been
the
traffic
light
as
I've
slowed
down.
C
A
That's
been
kind
of
if
down
the
line,
there
is
feedback
you
have
for
us
about
design
features
as
we
think
about.
During
this
you
know
the
locations
that
would
help
extend
some
of
the
academic
benefit
of
this.
That
would
be
better.
K
Yes,
I
want
to
continue
the
thank
yous
and
starting
with
the
students
and
the
teachers
I
mean
this
was,
I
think
at
least
five
years,
maybe
six
years
ago,
this
all
started
and
and
kate
england
at
water
and
sewer
and
charlotte
fleetwood.
Without
them.
We
would
not
have
this
project
and
this
project
really
got
stumbled
along
the
years
because
of
staff
turnover
and
but
I
think,
the
students
and
the
teachers
that
and
has
been
phenomenal.
K
A
Thanks
for
your
governments,
and
thank
you
for
your
leadership
on
this
and
in
moving
this
apart.
Thank
you
for
recognizing
both
kate
charlotte
for
brother,
good
work
and
obviously
jeffrey
for
her
leadership.
B
A
And
the
friends
of
boynton
square
for
the
making
specific
preparers
within
commonwealth
ohio
a
public
way
right
within
center
median
island
generally,
st
thomas
moore
road
lake
street,
consisting
of
curb
realignment
as
well
as
new
relocated,
specially
favored
street
landing
infrastructure
traffic
signal
structure,
storm
rate
infrastructure,
fencing
landscaping
and
neighborhoods
on
january
14
2021..
This
has
shown
a
set
of
plans
entitled
city
of
austin,
public
works,
department,
engineering,
division,
specific
preparers
plan,
boynton
square
on
the
improvements,
commonwealth
and
brighton
five.
She
said
january
2021.
A
G
C
G
Plan
that
I'm
showing
on
my
screen
now-
okay,
so
this
is
the
project
location.
This
is
commonwealth
app
going
from
left
to
right
on
your
screen.
G
G
D
G
View
of
the
island
looking
westbound
and
so
the
construction
plan
here,
I'll
just
zoom
in
a
little
bit.
D
L
M
G
Involves
rebuilding
the
island,
there
will
be
a
set
of
curving
that
is
on
the
outside
edge
and
on
the
top
of
that,
curving
will
be
cobble.
Stones
begin
to
deter
people
from
walking
on
this
surface
inside
the
island
is
another
set
of
curving,
with
a
steel
picket
fence
around
the
perimeter
of
the
landscaped
area,
again
with
one
single
gate,
but
the
object
is
to
keep
people
from
walking
through
the
landscaped
area
and
on
the
inside
will
be
will
be
several
trees
and
smaller
plantings
and
shrubs
we're
going
to
relocate.
G
The
existing
blue
welcome
to
brighten
sign
to
within
the
fence
area
we're
going
to
relocate
the
street
light.
That's
out
there,
the
double
pendant
light,
that's
out
there
to
provide
lighting
other
than
that.
Every
all
the
other
features
in
the
island,
the
catenary
poles
and
some
of
the
guy
wires
will
remain
the
same,
but
we
hope
that
this
will
beautify
the
area
and
again
provide
some
level
of
pedestrian
safety,
which
they
look
at
the
cross
section.
G
Again,
you
can
see
that
the
the
the
curving
on
the
outside,
with
the
cobble
inside
on
the
plateau
and
then
another
curb
to
the
raised
landscaped
area.
The
city
will
be
constructing
the
curving
and
the
kabul
island
area.
And
then
the
friends
of
boyden
square,
who
are
the
proponent
of
this
project,
will
come
by
at
a
later
date
and
they
will
install
the
fencing
and
the
landscaping
and
all
the
plantable
soil
amenities
and
they
will
maintain
the
landscaping
within
the
island
in
perpetuity.
A
Steve
thanks
for
that
that
summary,
and
just
to
sort
of
note
the
commonality
between
the
previous
item
and
this
one
or
the
common
elements,
it's
great
to
see
a
pair
of
projects
that
are
improving
the
public
realm
or
improving
the
public
health
of
a
corner
of
our
city
are
only
made
possible
through
collaboration
between
residents
in
the
city
of
boston
and
improving
the
safety
of
our
streets.
So
I
appreciate
the
entire
team's
work
on
this
project
as
well
other
questions
or
comments
on
on
this
particular.
I
Item
steve
the
our
project
partners,
the
friends
of
the
boynton
square.
They
are
aware
of
the
possible
timelines
through
which
the
public
health
department
can
make
the
improvements,
and
there
may
be
some
like
the
expectations
are
properly
managed.
I'm
going
to
assume
in
terms
of
the
timelines
of
getting
stuff
really
done.
Is
that
correct.
F
And
yeah
power,
height,
zach
wasmuth
from
public
works.
Yeah
we've
been
coordinating
closely
with
this
group
and,
coincidentally,
these
two
projects
void
and
square
and
the
codman
square
improvements
are
actually
we're
going
to
have
them
as
as
advertise
them
as
one
package
together
very
shortly
for
construction.
So
all
that'll
be
happening
very
soon.
A
Alright,
thanks
for
the
question
zach
thanks
for
that
as
well
other
questions
or
comments
from
the
psc.
D
N
A
Moving
on
to
our
next
item
on
addition
by
madison
park
development
corporation,
doing
business
with
75
deadly
llc
for
the
acceptance
of
a
pedestrian
easement
adjacent
to
the
following
public
ways
in
roxbury,
dudley
street
on
the
southeast
side,
address
number
75-81
between
guild
row
and
kenilworth
street
and
guild
rowe
on
us
wesley's
side
south
of
dublin
street.
This
was
new
business
on
january
14th
2021,
and
this
has
shown
a
plan
entitled
city
of
boston,
public
works,
department,
engineering,
division,
pedestrian,
easement
plan,
75-81,
dudley
street
roxbury
boston,
one
sheet
data
january
13,
2021.
O
O
We
are
actually
still
working
still
working
on
a
requested
potential
street
lighting
cabinet
relocation
that
would
be
associated
with
our
specific
repair
and
we're
also
still
working
on
a
tree
management
plan
that
may
impact
the
pedestrian
easement
location,
possibly
needing
to
widen
it.
We
have
not
been
able
to
finalize
that,
so
we
are
actually
hoping
to
request
a
continuance
on
both
this,
the
pedestrian
easement
portion
and
the
specific
repair,
a
six-week
continuance.
If
that
would
be
permissible.
A
That
that
is,
that
is
fine,
we'll
we'll
take
those
as
separate
actions,
erin,
okay,
and
get
the
update
and
appreciate
your
work
on
both
of
the
three
trees
and
I
think
the
efforts
to
sort
of
make
the
improve
the
sidewalk
accessibility
out
through
that.
Through
that
stretch,
any
questions
or
comments
for
aaron
about
the
the
first
out
of
the
request
for
the
continuous
related
specific
repair.
J
No
questions
that'll
be
march.
11Th
would
be
six
weeks
perfect.
Any
members
of
the
public.
I
see
none.
A
All
right
I'll
entertain
a
motion
to
give
you
this
item.
For
six
weeks
until
marshall
adams,
I'll.
B
D
B
A
Right
so
moved
moving
on
to
our
next
item
on
a
petition
by
madison
park
development
corporation,
doing
business
as
dudley
llc
for
the
making
of
specific
repairs
within
the
following
public
ways
in
roxbury,
consisting
of
curb
realignment
as
well
as
sidewalk
and
pedestrian
ramp.
Reconstruction
dump
the
street
on
the
southeast
side
at
address
number
75-81
between
guild
row
and
kettlebell
street
and
guild
row
on
its
wesley
side,
south
of
dublin
street.
A
O
Good
morning,
commissioners,
aaron
joyce
with
joyce
consulting
group
representing
this
project
for
the
specific
repairs
is
just
right
into
the
record,
as
mentioned
on
the
previous
application
as
they
relate
to
each
other.
We
would
be
we're
still
working
through
some
some
tree
tree
preservation,
potential,
sidewalk
widening
and
the
cabinet
potential
cabinet
movement
at
the
corner
of
guild
row
and
dudley.
So
we
would
be
requesting
a
six-week
continuance
to
march
11th
for
this
application.
If
that
would
be
permissible
by
the
commission.
A
Aaron
thanks
so
much
questions
or
comments
by
members
of
the
commission.
J
A
I
moved
aaron
thanks.
So
much
we'll
see
you
on
march
11.,
moving
on
to
our
next
item
on
option
by
mr
owen,
kiernan
for
the
making
of
specific
repairs
within
the
following
public
ways.
Us
rockford,
consisting
of
curb
realignment,
sidewalk
and
road
roadway
reconstruction,
as
well
as
new
and
relocated
pedestrian
ramps
and
storms
and
infrastructure
locations,
are
locked
down
road,
a
private
way,
open
public
travel
on
a
small
priestly
side,
generally
they're
just
number
43
northwest
washington
street
and
washington
three
generally
walk
through
the
road
in
claxton
street.
M
Yes
hi,
my
name
is
david
freed,
I'm
from
shoe
and
company-
and
I
am
here
along
with
jared
harrigan
from
bowen
kiernan's
office,
we're
here
to
coming
for
you
with
our
project.
The
scope
of
work
is
the
new
kerb
realignment,
the
sidewalk
in
roadway,
roadway
reconstruction
and
the
new
pedestrian
ramps
and
crosswalks.
A
We
can't
yet
or
this
again
yet
in
the
lower
right
hand,
corner
you,
have
your
mouse
or
cursor
over
the
lower
right
right,
you'll
need
to
present
now
button.
No,
there
you
go.
Can
you
see
it
now?
Absolutely.
M
Oh
perfect,
okay,
all
right!
So
as
we
presented
previously
two
weeks
ago,
this
is
a
new
39
38
unit
project
in
roslindale,
just
off
of
washington
street
on
a
private
way
called
lockdale
road.
It's
three
eight
units
with
39
garage
parking
spaces.
M
It
can
be
seen
here
in
the
red,
the
red
rectangle,
it's
a
presently
undeveloped
site,
so
we
need
to
do
some
improvements
on
lockdown
kitchen
and
we're
asked
to
also
extend
the
sidewalk
back
to
lochdale
road
and
to
provide
some
crosswalks
and
new
pedestrian
ramps
to
cross
washington
street
to
allow
residents
and
the
community
a
better
access
to
the
bus
service
and
t
stops
on
the
offensive
side
of
the
street.
M
Kitson
and
as
we
get
to
so,
our
scope
of
work
is
in
addition
to
paving
kits
and
road
and
providing
sidewalks
and
curving.
We're
asked
to
provide
a
new
kermit
from
here
pedestrian
ramps
and
a
crosswalk,
as
well
as
a
new
pedestrian
ramp
and
crosswalk
across
washington
street.
M
A
couple
issues
were
raised
at
the
new
business
hearing,
one
of
which
was
what
is
the
distance
between
the
existing
utility
poles
that
are
going
to
be
encapsulated
in
our
new
sidewalk
and
the
adjacent
lot
lines
and
a
clear
width
between
the
light
pole,
the
utility
pole
and
our
lot
line
is
6.1
feet
at
the
one
closest
to
kitson
road
and
mounted.
M
On
top
of,
that
is
an
led
street
light
and
then
the
other
utility
pole
there's
a
4.7
foot,
clear
width
between
the
pole
and
the
adjacent
side
of
the
existing
building
at
3931
washington
street.
That
also
has
an
led
pole
for
street
lighting.
M
In
addition
to
that,
our
project
has
extensive
building
mounted
lighting
along
kitson,
actually
on
all
four
sides.
We
have.
M
I
can
make
this
larger.
We
have
lighting
every
18
feet
along
kittson
road
and
in
this
detail
you
can
see
the
they're
well
mounted
here.
They're,
dark
sky
compliant
a
fixture
similar
to
that
and
the
other
issue
we
were
asked
to
discuss
or
look
into
was
providing
a
raised
crosswalk
at
the
intersection
of
lockdown
washington.
M
The
civil
engineer,
I
think,
is
on
this
call.
If
he's
available.
That
would
be
great.
If
not,
I
can
kind
of
go
over
what
he
discussed
to
me.
He
basically
there's
there's
some
grading
issues
on
the
right
side
here
and
it
would
require
we're
prior
raising
the
sidewalk
about
seven
inches
to,
I
guess,
there's
kind
of
a
crown
in
the
road
so
that
we'd
have
to
raise
the
sidewalk
up
up
seven
inches,
and
then
we
have
to
feather
back.
M
A
I
Chief,
if
the
my
comments
are
centered
around
the
fact
that
lockdale
is
still
a
private
way,
okay
and
we
need
to
enter
and
balance
our
responses
and
our
comments
towards
towards
the
fact
that
this
is
a
private
way,
so
that
that's
a
starting
point.
So
even
this
race,
crosswalk
amy,
I'm
just
trying
to
be
mindful
of
the
incremental
improvements
that
one
can
achieve
for
pedestrian
safety
and
how
it
gets
further
back
onto
a
private
way
and
the
collateral
council
concerns
I
have.
I
Commissioner,
sorry
chief
is
the
new
residents
that
are
of
even
a
further
private
way.
They
will
since
therefore
building
complex
this
about
knockdale.
If,
in
the
future,
there's
a
petition
to
convert
this
private
way
to
a
public
state,
all
of
those
individuals
will
be
participating
in
the
costs.
So
we
need
to
be
very
careful
and
mindful
of
managing
and
tempering
the
expectations
of
those
residents
that
are
brand
new,
a
welcome
addition
to
the
neighborhood,
but
they
may
not.
I
B
I
think
that
the
only
implication
from
a
private
way
issue
would
be
the
you
know
to
make
sure
that
the
water
and
sewer
stuff
is
all
sorted
out,
but
the
asphalt
can
feather
back
into
the
private
way
that
doesn't
have
a
ton
of
implication
any
more
than
reconstructing
and
repaving
if
it
would,
but
the
cropping
is
is
is
the
crossing
of
is
the
continuation
of
a
public
path
of
travel.
I
Thank
you
amy
and
the
lighting
issues
david.
It
is
still
a
private
way.
You
are
still
responsible
for
adequate
lighting
and
we
hope
that
the
lighting
standards,
the
lighting
pictures
that
you
have
selected
conform
to
the
ieee
lighting
standards
or
the
ies
lighting
standards.
So
this
way,
if
and
when
this
street
give
this
city's
petition
to
accept
this
street
as
a
public
street,
it
doesn't
create
incremental
cost
of
the
city's
part
to
upgrade
the
street
lighting
system.
A
All
right
amy,
thank
you
for
those
comments,
other
questions
or
comments
from
members
of
the
commission.
A
I
defer
both
to
borrow
any
on
this,
but
I
wonder
whether
this
makes
sense
to
entertainment
motion
on
this
contingent
upon
that
sort
of
a
final
conversation
between
the
component
bgd
pacing
public
works
department
on
the
race
crossing,
just
to
understand
the
specific
implications
that
we
might
have
for
washington,
street,
creating
and
otherwise,
but
amy
for
our
thoughts
on
that.
B
Yeah
I
mean,
I
think,
that
we
didn't
want
this
to
be
a
big
profound
change
right,
like
there's
already
seems
pretty
flat
out
there
so
to
make
this.
You
know
like
we're
doing
a
lot
to
enhance
these
crossings
here.
These
are
bus,
stops
that
we
were
really
trying
to
make
more
comfortable
and
accessible.
So
I
I
think
that
if
it's
attainable
and
and
simple
enough,
I
don't
want
to
chase
this
forever
and
I
don't
want
to
champion
all
the
way
down
washington
street
or
all
the
way
into
a
private
way.
B
But
if
this
can
be
done
just
by
grading
modifications,
then
I
think
that
we
should
do
it.
I
don't
want
to
cause
a
sizable
cost
increase
or
anything
like
that,
but
I
think
that
we
were
really
trying
to
make
this
corner
feel
more
comfortable
and
accessible,
and
I
think
that
that
would
go
a
long
way
will
help,
especially
considering
it's
a
a
bus
stop
with
pretty
high
ridership.
A
All
right,
then,
I'll
I'll
entertain
a
motion
on
this
on
this
item.
Pretty
much
improve
this
item
again
contingent
upon
final
conversation
from
the
component
and
pgp
and
public
works
on
my
race
class.
B
I'll
make
a
motion
to
approve
a
petition
by
mr
owen
kiernan
for
the
making
of
specific
repairs
in
rockdale
road
in
washington
street,
as
read
into
the
record
by
the
chair
contingent
upon
final
resolution
of
the
raised
crosswalk
with
btv
and
public
works.
Second,.
N
A
David
thanks
so
much.
Thank
you
very
much.
Thank
you
very
much,
our
sixth
items
out
of
petition
by
mr
thomas
mitchell,
mr
kenneth
cloverney,
mr
greg
donovan
and
meridian
bancorp
for
the
abandonment
of
any
and
all
rights
to
travel.
The
public
may
have
had
within
hillary
court,
private
way
open
to
public
travel
in
south
boston
from
ellery
street
to
its
northeasterly
terminus.
This
was
new
business
on
january
14
2021,
and
this
has
shown
on
a
plan
until
the
city
of
boston,
public
works,
department,
engineering,
division,
abandonment,
plan,
ellery,
court,
south
boston.
H
Thank
you,
chief
osgood,
commissioners
and
staff.
My
name
is
george
morency,
I'm
an
attorney.
I
represent
malcolm
barber
and
niall
dowdell,
who
are
the
purchasers
and
developers
of
barbie
located
at
44
ellery
street,
which
is
immediately
adjacent
to
ellery
court?
Does
it
look
like
my
screen
is
visible?
Is
that
correct.
H
Now
you're
showing
the
point-
okay,
great!
Thank
you
sorry,
and
this
was
new
business
a
couple
of
weeks
ago.
The
area
in
question
is
shown
here
on
on
the
plan
by
cec
engineering,
mitchell's
residents
noted
here
to
the
right,
as
I
previously
noted
during
the
the
new
business
hearing.
This
is
the
case
where
the
entirety
of
the
area
in
question
is
owned
in
fee
by
the
mitchells.
This
is
not
a
case
where
a
budding
property
owner
is
on
the
side
owned
to
the
midpoint,
which
we
sometimes
see
with
private
ways.
H
There
is
currently
a
conduit
here
by
comcast.
I've
been
in
touch
with
comcast
and
they
are
okay.
With
the
the
discontinuance
of
this
there's
going
to
be
a
new
easement
area
for
the
cable
that
we've
already
been
negotiating
with
comcast.
H
A
The
screen,
at
least
for
me
that
you're
showing
is,
is
the
pic
hearing
rather
than
I
think
the
ariel
photo
show
there.
You.
H
F
H
Think
there's
a
bit
of
a
delay.
I
think
that
was
some
reason
there's
a
bit
of
a
delay
once
I
bring
up
my
screen,
so
this
is
the
this
is
the
aerial
this
is
the.
This
is
already
quite
the
area
in
question.
H
Curb
cut
here
is
a
driveway
for
the
parking
located
behind
4446
elderly
street.
This
is
where
the
new
building
would
go.
The
property
owners
are
mr
fogany
here,
east
boston
savings
bank
here
and
then
this
portion
here
of
the
east
boston
savings
lot.
East
boston,
savings
bank,
parking
lot
and
driver
is
owned
by
greg,
donovan
who's
also
joined
in
the
petition.
H
The
only
changes
to
the
public
way
would
be.
You
know
the
I
guess
the
repositioning,
perhaps
relocation
of
the
existing
curb
cut
and
and
the
current
flares
on
to
ellery
street.
I
believe
that
the
city
of
boston,
the
bbda,
will
perhaps
be
requiring
a
setback
here,
but
I'm
not
sure
if
we're
going
to
be
doing
it,
pedestrian,
easement
or
not.
Not
to
my
knowledge-
and
certainly,
although
we're
here
for
today
is
the
abandonment
of
public
rights
in
elderly.
H
A
The
the
sort
of
comcast
support
or
comcast
approval
of
this
is
that
something
which
you've
shared
with
psa
already.
H
I
may
have
spoken
with
todd
about
it,
I'm
not
certain,
but
I
can
certainly
do
that.
I
have.
I
have
emails
from
al
rugman
at
comcast.
That
I
can
share,
and
now
is,
is
fine
with
what
we're
doing
perfect
john.
A
J
That
sufficient
yeah,
if
we
can
just
get
copies
of
those
emails,
that'd,
be
great.
B
Right
so
the
easement
needs
to
be
in
place.
Comcast
has
rights
right,
like
so
the
it
needs
to,
because
it's
a
street
they
that
needs
to
just
be
done
before
we
record
this
abandonment,
so
we
just
need.
B
Okay,
but
we,
if
you're
giving
them
you
know
an
easement
that
should
be
part
of
what
is
going
through
before
the
abandonment.
J
B
J
We
just
won't
be
able
to
record
the
pic
documents
until
the
easement
is
recorded.
H
I
George,
could
you
please
reiterate
the
fact
that
the
property
owners
you
are
representing,
who
have
petitioned
this
project,
have
100
underlying
fee
ownership
for
the
whole
street?
That
is
being
under
consideration
for
abandonment?
Is
that
correct,
100
fee
ownership?
Yes,
that
is
correct.
Thank
you,
sir,
so,
which
basically
means
that
any
other
person
that
is
aborting
that
property
does
not
have
any
legal
rights
towards
access
that.
D
N
I
make
a
motion
to
approve
a
petition,
a
joint
petition
by
mr
thomas
mitchell,
mr
kenneth
fogerty,
mr
greg
donovan
and
meridian
bancorp,
incorporated
for
the
abandonment
of
any
and
all
rights
of
travel.
The
public
may
have
within
ellery
court
in
boston,
has
further
read
into
the
record
by
the
chair.
Second,
all
in
favor.
A
Our
final
item
on
the
public
hearing
agenda
is
a
is
a
petition
by
enstar
electric
company,
doing
business
with
eversource
energy
for
a
grant
of
location
to
install
new
electrical
infrastructure
within
arlington
avenue,
a
public
way
in
charlestown
on
the
northeast
side
generally
across
north
street.
This
was
new
business
on
january
14th
2021,
and
this
is
shown
on
a
plan
entitled
city
of
boston's
work,
department,
engineering,
division,
granted,
location
plan,
eversource,
arlington,
ave
boston,
one
sheet
in
november,
23rd
2020.
L
All
right
good
morning,
chief
and
members
of
the
commission,
dominic
grinaldi
with
the
bsc
group
on
behalf
of
eversource,
I
believe
ali
klein
of
eversource,
is
also
on
the
line
and
just
scrolling
through
the
other
members.
I
don't
see
anyone
else.
I
apologize
to
my
good
friends
at
eversource,
if
you're
on
here-
and
I
missed
you
we'll
present-
if
that
is
okay
with
you,.
D
L
L
Everybody
have
the
plan
up
joe's
funny
perfect.
Thank
you.
So,
as
we
discussed
the
and
as
you
mentioned,
the
project
is
essentially
removing
a
reverse.
Current
switch
from
the
mbta
facility
on
arlington
street
arlington
avenue.
Excuse
me.
Election
street
is
a
different
place,
arlington
avenue
and
relocating
it
out
into
the
the
public
way
in
a
you
know,
weatherproof
enclosure.
L
L
At
the
request
of
the
disabilities
commission,
we
will
also
be
fixing
the
pedestrian
ramps
at
the
on
either
side
of
the
driveway
to
the
mbta
facility.
It's
as
we
discussed
at
the
new
visitor,
it's
fairly
straightforward
project.
L
L
Yeah,
it's
actually
fairly
small,
but
it's
it's
pretty
typical.
You
know
anything
else.
You'd
see
forever
source
enclosures,
it's
it's
21
inches
wide
by
25,
inches
long
along
the
width
of
the
street
and
it's
only
51
inches
high.
Q
Yes,
we're
fine
with
this,
and
we
appreciate
the
proponents
of
vanessa
to
also
fixing
the
adjacent
pedestrian
ramp.
That's
in
rough
shape,.
D
B
A
Our
vacuums,
the
public
hearing
portion
moving
on
to
the
new
business
section,
our
first
and
only
item-
is
a
street
west,
2nd
street
south
boston,
a
granite
location
auditioned
by
vicinity,
energy
cost
and.
R
Income
good
morning
chief
and
commissioner
members,
my
name
is
scott
mcburney,
I'm
the
vice
president
of
the
senate.
Vicinity
energy
here
in
boston
vicinity
appreciates
the
opportunity
to
present
the
proposed
expansion
of
our
greenstein
system
into
the
four
point
area
to
the
members
of
the
public
improvement
commission
at
the
city
of
boston.
R
The
city
is
here
today
requesting
a
grant
of
location
for
the
areas
identified
in
the
associated
design
drawings.
The
execution
of
our
proposed
project
will
provide
a
source
of
sustainable
green
energy
to
the
real
estate.
Developments
in
progress
in
the
four
point
area
project
will
support
the
city
of
boston's
climate
action
plan
and
goal
of
achieving
zero
net
carbon
buildings.
R
The
general
scope
of
this
project
is
to
extend
our
existing
district
energy
system
with
a
subsurface
16-inch
welded
steel
steam
line
and
a
six
inch
welded
till
condensate
return
line
in
the
roadway
along
west,
2nd
street
and
8th
street.
Both
lines
will
be
encased
in
concrete
with
access
manholes
located
every
several
hundred
feet
along
the
line.
R
Our
team
members
joining
us
here
today
are
ken
stanley,
president
of
trimont
engineering
and
brendan
kearns,
who
is
the
lead
project
engineer
for
tribon
and
jason
clark
representing
engineering
for
vicinity
energy,
we're
happy
to
present
more
details
of
the
previously
submitted
plans
or
entertain
questions
from
the
members
of
the
commission.
A
Scott
thank
you
that
you
might
just
walking
us
through
the
the
general
project,
extents
up
along
a
street
in
the
on
the
path
you're
going
to
take.
R
Sure
we'll
turn
it
over
to
ken
stanley
to
to
present
the
details.
P
I
Okay,
while
you
are
presenting
your
screen
chief,
I
may
have
been
distracted
here.
Has
this
utility
has
the
city?
Are
we
aware
of
this
utility
because
it
seems
like
it's
the
first
time
I'm
hearing
about
these
very
nice
people
and
just
want
to
make
sure
that
we
administratively
recognize
these
utility
companies
as
a
utility
in
the
city
of
boston?
H
Yeah,
that's
correct,
my
bad!
Why
you.
R
Yes,
in
january,
violia
divested
the
district
energy
systems
in
north
america
and
we
formed
a
new
company
called
vicinity.
Energy.
Our
headquarters
continue
to
be
here
in
boston.
Many
of
the
players
that
you
know
from
the
the
district
steam
system
are
all
still
in
place.
I
Thank
you
so
much
for
clarifying
my
thought
patterns
in
my
brain,
and
I'm
going
to
assume
that,
irrespective
of
your
changing
command
structure,
you
will
still
continue
to
work
with
the
city
to
manage
your
assets,
because
I
think,
over
the
last
years,
some
of
your
assets
as
even
though
they
serve
much-needed
customers
every
once
in
a
while,
has
had
a
tiny
bit
of
a
hiccup
here
and
there
and
we've
met
multiple
times
to
ensure
that
your
assets
are
functioning
to
meet
your
needs
as
much
as
the
city's
needs,
and
I'm
going
to
assume.
I
A
Thanks,
barbara
thanks
scott,
can
anyone
walk
us
through
the
plan.
P
Yes,
thank
you
very
much.
Can
everyone
see
my
drawing
set?
We
can
okay.
Thank
you
very
much.
So
our
project
begins
at
the
intersection
of
west
2nd
street
and
a
street
in
south
boston.
There
is
an
existing
24-inch
main
along
west
2nd
street,
currently
within
the
within
completely
within
the
roadway.
P
So
our
project
is
really
two
pieces
where
we
would
extend
that
24-inch
main
down
west
second
street
to
accommodate
customers
further
down
the
road,
approximately
300
feet,
but
also
teeing
off
of
that
existing
24-inch
main
and
running
approximately
2400
feet
up
to
on
neko
court
and
neko
street
crossing
the
mass
highway
tunnel
system
and
then
continuing
on
to
customers
on
neko
street.
So
for
the
purposes
of
this
meeting,
we'll
be
discussing
from
west
2nd
street
to
the
beginning
of
neko
street
crossing
the
highway
tunnel
system.
P
So
as
we
as
we
move
along,
so
that's
our
our
general
location
with
regards
to
the
system.
We
are
entirely
within
the
traveled
ways
along
a
street,
as
god
mentioned,
we
have
a
series
of
manholes
along
the
route
for
access
and
or
valving
the
equipment.
That's
typically
seen
in
this
type
of
design.
Again,
the
pipe
is
16
inch,
welded,
steel,
pipe
there'll,
be
a
series
of
expansion,
joints
guides
and
anchors
along
the
system
to
control
the
thermal
expansion
of
the
steel
pipe
along
its
route.
P
So
generally,
that's
that's
our
alignment
in
these
two
locations
and
we'll
go
sheet
by
sheet,
and
I
won't
get
into
too
many
details
unless
you'd
like
me
to
clarify
things
but
you'll
see
generally.
Here
we
have
plan
and
profile
view
to
describe
some
of
the
facility
that
you're
seeing
in
plan
view.
These
are
anchors.
P
These
are
expansion,
joints
and
there's
a
series
of
guides
along
the
route
that
control
and
help
guide
the
steel
main
through
its
expansion
and
through
its
anchor
systems.
So
that's
the
facility
that
you
see
here.
The
pipe
is
also
16
inch.
Steel
main
it's
covered
by
four
inches
of
mineral
wool
insulation
to
maintain
its
heat
quality.
P
A
Does
how
does
how
does
that
ensure
that
sort
of
the
proximity
of
this
line
doesn't
impact
or
melt
any
of
the
adjacent
activities.
P
Yeah,
so
the
again,
the
the
insulation
that
is
designed
for
this
pipe
is
intended
to
not
all
not
only
maintain
the
heat
within
the
steam
itself,
but
also
the
exterior
of
the
of
the
facility
itself,
as
well
as
the
concrete.
The
concrete
temperature
per
se
varies,
depending
upon
soil
conditions
and
depth
per
se,
but
also
based
on
distance
from
other
utilities.
P
As
you
can
see
here
in
this
in
this
alignment,
it's
obviously
a
very
busy
street
underground
with
existing
utilities
in
order
to
maintain
appropriate
separations.
The
pipe
is
deep,
we're
up
we're
proposing
to
be
anywhere
from.
You
know,
seven
to
ten
to
twelve
feet
deep,
and
we
do
that
for
a
number
of
reasons.
P
You'll
see
here
where
our
manhole
proposed
manhole
locations
are
generally
deep
as
well.
The
pipe
itself
wants
to
be
pitched
in
order
for
us
to
collect
the
condensate
water
that
will
occur
as
the
steam
moves
through
the
steel
main.
So
we
pitch
that
system
to
make
collection
points
within
the
manholes.
P
I
hope
that
described
that
okay,
so
you
see
as
we
go
down
down
the
street
here,
we
are
we're
at
varying
distances
and
depth
varying
separations
from
utilities.
P
This
obviously
was
an
extremely
tedious
effort
to
be
able
to
find
a
location
for
this,
but
we
did
work
very
closely
with
boston,
water
and
soar
on
a
number
of
iterations
to
be
able
to
provide
the
separation
and
protection
they
needed
from
their
utilities,
which
in
so
doing
that
also
allowed
a
fair
amount
of
separation
from
existing
utilities
such
as
electric
phone
and
cable
and
so
on.
We
have
submitted
notification
to
those
utilities.
P
We've
received
some
responses,
but
not
all,
but
as
the
project
moves
forward,
we'll
continue
to
reach
out
and
work
with
those
utilities
to
ensure
their
awareness
of
our
efforts
here.
P
I
Previous
foreign,
that
that
one,
that
one
perfect,
sir,
thank
you
kenneth
again
amazing
project.
As
always,
you
know
the
city
has
a
long-standing
relationship
with
the
viola
and
I
need
to
teach
myself
to
say
your
name
correctly.
Otherwise,
bad
pj
but
gentlemen,
a
couple
of
thoughts
here
again
bringing
back
not
the
high
points,
but
some
of
the
more
awkward
moments
we've
had
in
the
past.
I
You
recognize
the
spaghetti
system
of
utilities
that
are
underneath
the
that's
that
there's
a
reason
why
your
design
engineers
didn't
draw
a
straight
line.
Okay,
so
it
translates
to
two
fronts
drama.
You
will
experience
during
construction
and
possible
adjustments.
So
that's
one
that
translates
to
the
amount
of
time
a
street
may
be
out
of
use.
Okay,
the
construction
management
side.
I
have
multiple
concerns
which
I'm
100
certain
you
can
solve.
We
just
need
to
be
on
the
same
page,
getting
concurrents
from
all
the
utilities
that
are
going
to
be
adjacent
to
you.
I
I
know
you
have
reached
out
to
them,
but
please
please,
please
impress
upon
them
the
need
for
answers.
It's
like
either
speak
or
don't
complain
later
when
they
are
electrical
or
telecommunications
lines.
Should
melt
due
to,
but
whatever
the
reasons
you
and
I
be
both
know
all
the
the
fun
we've
had
in
the
past,
so
let's
try
and
avoid
us
being
bad
into
a
private
matter
between
your
assets
and
a
private
utility.
I
So
I
would
be
very
much
in
favor
of
us
having
a
public
hearing
only
when
you
have
had
the
at
least
the
critters
that
are
right
next
to
you,
okay,
so
that's
one!
The
zigzagging
obviously
is
a
not
a
concern.
It's
an
ongoing
construction
management
issue.
I
don't
recall
whether
there
are
any
mbta
bus
lines
that
are
going
on
a
street
and
the
final
thing
is
this
whole
segment
of
a
straight
from
here.
P
It
yes,
so
from
a
from
a
restoration
perspective,
we
we'll
work
with
the
city
to
understand
what
the
restoration
requirements
are,
whether
it
be
a
half
travel
lane
or
or
the
entire
roadway
repaving.
We
haven't
frankly
gone
to
that
level
of
understanding,
yet
with
regards
to
the
trench,
repair
and
or
the
repaving,
but
we
can
certainly
address
that
as.
I
Needed
so
sorry-
and
this
is
all
my
fault-
if
I
don't
remember
the
last
time-
I
spoke
to
you
or
those
that
are
on
the
spot,
but
that's
my
bad
okay,
not
new
folks,
but
if
you
have
heard
me
out
of
these
words
for
the
last
20
plus
years
for
a
project
of
this
nature,
the
minimum
starting
point
will
be
a
curve
to
grow
overlay,
and
it
will
because
you
are
getting
so
deep-
that's
the
minimum.
I
We
just
want
to
make
sure
that
the
adjacent
utilities
in
itself
are
not
going
to
be
settling
okay
with
this
type
of
trench
construction.
I
don't
recall
off
the
top
of
my
head
with.
There
are
gas
lines
that
are
here
so
there's
a
whole
domain
of
utility
interactions
and
utility
settlements
and
some
some
work.
That
needs
to
be
done,
let
alone
ensuring
that
the
road
doesn't
deep
and
be
compromised
plus
the
riding
surface.
I
I
If
you
can
get
to
that
area,
we
just
want
to
make
sure
that
the
state
is
okay,
all
right,
so
the
you
know
you
love
throws
at
this
thing,
I
feel
like
an
idiot
telling
you
things
that
are
so
obvious,
but
I
feel
compelled
to
verbalize
it
because
when
I
do
drive
around
the
city
and
see
construction
work,
sometimes
I
wonder
where
the
people
are
hearing,
what
I'm
saying
or
whether
I'm
speaking
french,
okay,
so
just
want
to
put
it
out
there,
so
that
nothing
is
lost
in
the
translation.
P
Understood
completely-
and
we
are-
we
are
working
with
massdot
currently
through
their
shop
system
through
their
design
review
process.
So
we've
been
already
through
the
review
package,
so
they've
reviewed
the
package
and
they're
moving
it
through
the
design
review
through
the
25
50
75,
so
on
review
process.
So
we've
provided
them
a
standard
package
that
actually
one
that
we've
did
previously
on
nashua
street
a
number
of
years
ago
when
we
crossed
the
tunnel
system
there.
So
we
were
very
understanding
of
what
the
requirements
are.
P
R
This
is
scott
mcberney
that
we
do
certainly
appreciate
your
perspective
and
have
the
the
players
who
have
been
working
with
you
for
the
last
20
years
are
still
here,
mr
silvia,
I
think
you
probably
recall
he
is
running
the
operation,
that's
responsible
for
this.
This
project
and
our
construction
team
is
the
same
ones
who,
as
ken
just
mentioned,
did
the
nashua
state
project.
So
we
do
completely
and
totally
understand
your
perspective.
Thank
you.
I
I
Yeah
the
punch
line,
if
I
can
summarize
so
that
I
can
shut
up
as
soon
as
possible,
improving
the
incarnation
of
the
street.
Okay,
that's
the
you
know.
After
everything
has
settled,
and
then
the
other
parties,
we
really
don't
like
getting
dragged
into
a
third-party
issue,
because
then
I
feel,
like
the
principle
being
dragged
into
the
conference
room
having
to
contest
between
you
and
a
third
party
where
your
construction
compromised
their
assets
and
then,
at
the
end
of
the
day,
it
is
the
public
improvement
commission
that
gives
you
the
grant
of
location.
I
B
I
know
that
you
guys
it
put
together
a
plan
and
engaged
ed
hestford
on
the
construction
management
piece
of
that,
but
I
I
think
we
need
to
kind
of
come
out
the
other
side.
This
is
a
pretty
invasive
bit
of
construction
that
we
have
going
on
here.
So
I
think
that
we
want
to
understand
the
time
implications,
the
staging
implications,
all
the
things
that
you're
going
to
have
here.
We
have
a
bunch
of
buses
with
very
high
ridership
that
come
down
this
street.
B
I
think
that
we
also
need
to
start
coordinating
with
those
to
understand
that,
in
addition
to
a
lot
of
shuttle
buses
coming
out
of
the
channel
center,
so
I
think
all
of
that
needs
to
kind
of
come
together
and
up
to
an
inclusive
of
any
final
repaving.
If
that's
going
curb
to
curb
that's
going
to
be
a
feat
in
and
of
itself,
but
I
do
want
to
understand
that
we're
okay
and
comfortable
with
the
the
construction
management
plan
before
we
approve
the
this
in
its
specific
iteration.
B
P
And
amy,
I'm
sorry.
If
I
didn't
get
the
information
to
you
soon
enough,
we
did
work
very
closely
with
ed
hesfer
to
address
his
concerns
and
but
we'll
we'll
continue
to
supply
information.
So
if
there's
more
information
that
you'd
like
to
see
with
regards
to,
we
have
our
drawing
set
here.
We
have
our
traffic
management
plans
that
we
supplied
as
part
of
the
construction
management
package.
P
B
Understood
with
him,
I
want
him
to
be
okay
with
what
we're
proposing
and
believe
that
you
can
construct
it.
B
Show
it
but
beyond
that,
like
I
don't
have,
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
those
details
are
ironed
out
before
we
are
approving
like
something
very
specific.
P
Understood
just
for
information
purposes,
we
we
we
had
three
rounds
of
review
with
ed
steen
and
made
the
appropriate
changes,
and
that's
what
got
us
here
today.
Obviously,.
B
Q
On
a
semi-related
note,
there
is
a
large
block
of
accessible
parking
spaces
are
located
along
a
street
so,
as
you
work
with
btd
on
the
construction
management
plan,
we'd
appreciate,
if
you
could
reach
out
to
the
mayor's
commission
for
persons
with
disabilities,
to
coordinate
the
relocation
of
those
spaces
within
the
neighborhood,
so
those
spaces
don't
get
lost
during
construction.
Q
Additionally,
if
more
information
could
be
provided
about
the
locations
of
any
surface
structures
and
making
sure
if
we
could
keep
them
out
of
the
crosswalks
as
much
as
possible,
that
would
be
appreciated.
N
P
P
P
Okay,
so
as
we
go
forward,
there's
more
of
the
same,
you
know:
we've
we've
in
in
coordination
with
the
utility,
boston,
water
and
sewer.
We
are
using
some
strategies
where
you'll
see
here
that
we're
actually
will
be
removing
and
replacing
their
lines,
so
we
would
be
directly
below
them
in
certain
locations
to
avoid
other
relocations
that
may
have
impacted
other
utilities.
P
The
other
thing
we
took
into
account
and
was
very
diligent
about,
as
you
mentioned,
the
gas
mains,
we
also
work
for
the
natural
gas
companies
as
well,
and
we
understand
those
offset
requirements
from
their
plastic
utilities
and
tried
to
ensure
that
we're
on
the
opposite
side
of
the
street
from
those
plastic
utilities
crossings.
Obviously,
we
couldn't
address
and
avoid
all
crossings,
but
in
a
parallel
sense
we're
able
to
avoid
and
be
on
the
opposite
side
from
a
plastic
system.
We
may
be
closer
to
the
steel
or
cast
iron.
P
However,
those
are
less
problematic
with
regards
to
any
temperature
issues.
P
P
We
get
some
open
area
here,
we're
able
to
run
quite
quite
nicely
in
a
somewhat
more
standard
operating
situation,
construction
methods,
but
frankly,
at
the
depth,
we're
at
we
did
be
able
to
achieve
a
lot
of
avoidance
with
regards
to
other
utilities
and
such
and
our
contractors
are
very
experienced
and
well
equipped
to
support
those
existing
utilities
as
we
cross
them,
and
then
we
get
to
the
tunnel
at
mass
highway
and
again
we
are
shallow
in
this
particular
location.
You
can
see
where
the
tunnel
is
relatively
close
to
the
surface.
P
There
are
also
existing
drain
lines
and
sewer
lines
across
the
top
of
the
tunnel,
so
we
had
to
address
that
with
mass
highway,
we're
also
providing
a
similar
separation
that
we
had
on
nashua
street,
with
a
very
similar
crossing
methodology,
so
again
using
the
the
methods
of
success
that
we
had
prior
to
and
improving
upon
that
if
we
could,
but
this
is
what
the
mass
highway
is
reviewing
currently
once
we
turn
down
echo
street,
it
becomes
a
much
more
open
situation.
I
I'm
sorry
sorry
you're
getting
a
little
bit
too
fast
for
me.
Yes,
sir,
sorry
again
just
trying
to
make
sure
that
you
folks
know
what
is
needed
before
you
come
back
to
a
public
hearing.
So
this
conversation
with
mass
deity,
I
haven't
had
a
chance
to
circle
back
with
them
to
find
out
whether
they
have
finished
their
review,
and
I
am
fairly
certain.
I
may
not
get
around
to
doing
that
thing.
So
it
is
prudent
upon
you
to
let
mr
limit
know
I
either
you
know.
I
Before
you
come
to
the
public
hearing,
because
from
the
dod
side
it
is
we
that
is
giving
a
grant
of
location,
and
I
need
to
make
sure
when
I
say
I,
the
commission
needs
to
make
sure
that,
via
the
left
hand,
is
not
doing
something
that
is
making
things
awkward
for
the
right
hand.
Also,
who
is
your
cons?
Who
is
your
consultant
that
is
doing
the
site
evaluation
and
doing
this
design,
because
we
want
to
make
sure
that
they
are
working
very
closely
with
our
board
and
super
commission
staff
members?
I
Because
I
think
you
all
know.
In
years
past
we've
relied
on
the
school
commission
commission
member
to
give
us
some
guidance
on
the
challenges
towards
all,
not
just
modern
sewer
assets,
but
everyone
else's
asset
when
you
grow
so
deep.
Okay.
So
hopefully
your
consultants
have
had
a
conversation
with
the
ward
and
supercommission,
because
the
pic
is
responsible
for
all
subsurface
utilities,
but
we
have
to
be
extra
sensitive
to
the
sewer
commission's
assets
that
are
there.
So,
hopefully,
you
all
have
had
a
conversation
with
the
commission
members
and
everyone
is,
you
know,
happy.
P
And
yes,
yes,
we
have
so
we've
worked
with
mr
sullivan,
mr
melara
at
the
water
and
sewer
commission,
and
we
had
at
least
four
to
four
to
five
reviews
with
them.
We
actually
have
a
signed
set
of
drawings
now
that
they
have
approved
this
route.
Awesome.
P
A
A
Let
your
thoughts
about
sort
of
the
right
time
to
have
the
public
hearing
on
the
construction
management
plan
to
make
sure
that
we
got
the
edit
signed
off
on
that
to
sarah's
points
that
there's
a
plan
about
the
relocation
for
the
accessible
parking
as
part
of
that
construction
management
plan
that
we
can
just
sort
of
do
a
review
and
affirm
that
any
any
manhole
covers
or
any
other
sort
of
iron.
That's
gonna
surface.
A
The
street
is
not
in
the
crosswalk
or
not
in
a
bike
lane
and
that
we
get
that
sign
off
from
adjacent
agility
companies
as
well
as
massdot,
and
then
it's
clear
that
they
understand
your
plans
and
they
understand
and
they're
comfortable
with
the
location.
The
question
I'd
capture
those
things
correctly,
yeah.
I
Chief,
just
one
tiny,
tiny
other
little
thing
and
I'm
having
a
brain
book
moment
here,
sarah
mccarman's
neighborhood
organization.
Why
am
I
forgetting
him?
I
Can
you
imagine
if
they
are
not
aware
of
this
program?
How
how
how
awkward
that
would
be
for
us?
So
what
I
don't
know
you
lucky
kenneth
is
how
much
does
the
four-point
neighborhood
association
and
the
homeowners
that
are,
you
know
springing
up
like
you
know,
sprouts
all
along
a
straight?
How
much
are
they
aware
of
this
project
because
it's
going
to
make
their
life
a
little
bit
more
interesting
with
the
vibration?
I
Okay,
you
know
that
all
the
of
course,
all
the
complaints
the
city
is
going
to
get
through.
Our
you
know
call
centers
and
it
will
be
really
really
awkward
if
we
say
oh
geez,
the
pic
didn't
have
a
thumbs
up
from
the
mayor's
office
of
neighborhood
services,
people
or
the
four-point
neighborhood
association
or
the
various
politicians,
so
guys
help
us
to
manage
this
so
that
the
pic
doesn't
get
dragged
into
the
bad
person.
Simply
because
we
allow
you
to
dig
the
holes.
P
Understood
we'll
work
diligently
with
vicinity's
community
outreach
and
understand
what
I
think
and
how
much
information
that.
I
Would
be
yes
and
it'll
be
good
if
someone
from
the
mayor's
office
of
neighborhood
services
and
or
the
four
point
neighborhood
association
testified
on
your
behalf
at
the
public
hearing
saying
that
yes,
viola
is
the
best
thing.
Sorry,
your
new
company,
me.
Okay,
you
guys
are
sorry,
okay,
you
know
neighbors
professionals,
you
all
have
reached
out
when
they
verbalize
those
comments
on
your
behalf.
It
makes
it
a
whole
lot
easier
for
us
to
release
the
context
of
these
states.
Should
it
become
a
third-party
litigation
issue
understood.
Thank
you.
Sirs.
B
Neighborhood
association,
like
we
are
very
actively,
as
the
transportation
department
engaged
with
them
right
now
about
a
lot
of
concerns
that
they
have
very
specifically
with
a
street
right
and
now
granted.
A
lot
of
that
is
about
accessibility
in
the
sidewalks
etc,
but
we
do
want
them
to
understand
what
this
is
and
what
the
scope
of
it
is
there's
lots
of
projects
that
are
also
happening
up
and
into
necco.
I
know
that
you're
not
showing
that,
because
that
is
those
are
private
ways.
B
First
thing
I'll
note
is
that
they
might
not
remain
private
ways
so
that
that
should
be
a
part
of
the
consideration.
Also,
if
we
think
about
the
the
piece
of
necco
street
that
goes
out
to
melcher
and
you
consider
the
natural
expansion
of
that
into
what
is
now
gillette
property.
But
if,
if
we
consider
that
that
will
be
developed
in
the
future,
we
will
want
to
go
straight
down.
Necco
street
and
you're
now
cutting
that
vertically.
B
So
we
will
want
to
make
sure
that
we
have
the
ability
to
clear
you
with
ease
to
push
anything
straight
down
necco
street
if
it
were
to
go
from
melcher.
All
the
way
out
in
a
in
a
straight
line
and
not
make
the.
B
Okay,
so
yeah
you
come
off
of
eight
street
and
you're
on
necco
street
and
then
makes
a
90
degree
turn
at
90
degree
turn.
If,
if
we
took
the
natural
extension
all
the
way
from
melter
straight
west
and
didn't
make
the
dog
leg,
that
is
a
high
likelihood
of
a
road
in
the
future.
B
So
I
think
that
we
want
to
make
sure
that
we
have
the
ability
to
push
utilities
through
there
and
make
sure
that
you
guys
are
well
out
of
the
way
beneath
or
whatever
it
takes
to
make
sure
that
the
running
of
future
utilities
will
not
won't
cause
you
any
concerns
or
us
to
get.
What
we
would
imagine
is
the
full
suite
of
utilities
through
there.
A
And
then
one
last
case-
and
I
refer
to
both
tab
and
amy
on
this-
but
because
this
is
such
a
obviously
significant
and
really
I
was
an
important
utility
project.
There's
gonna
be
a
significant
amount
of
disruptions
there.
A
There
may
be
elements
of
our
smart
utilities
planned,
which
is
kind
of
our
more
comprehensive
view
of
how
we
sort
manage
utilities
to
basically
future-proof
them,
for,
as
additional
development
comes
on,
if
you
can
make
sure
you
just
connect
with
with
todd
or
mr
fur,
with
amy
just
to
sort
of
see.
If
there's
elements
like
fiber
or
other
things,
we
should
be
thinking
about
incorporating,
as
part
of
this,
just
to
be
able
to
reduce
things
in
the
future.
That
would
impact
you
and
affect
other
people.
This
corner
that'd
be
great.
I
B
Yes,
I
think
that
the
the
the
form
that
this
would
take
would
be
spare
or
empty
fiber
ducts
that
if
you
guys
are
12
feet
down,
we
just
want
to
run
down
a
street,
especially
if
there's
going
to
be
a
repaving
associated
with
it.
I
believe
that
you
guys
have
experienced
exactly
how
fun
it
is
to
find
a
location
to
run
stuff
out
there
so
yeah.
B
It
would
basically
be
city
shadow
conduit
ducks
that
we
would
just
want
to
be
empty,
and
at
the
surface
we
have
a
bunch
of
requests
out
here
for
gas
antennas
and
other
types
of
things
that
will
require
fiber
that
are
kind
of
waiting
out
some
development
projects
that
are
going
to
show
up.
So
I
think
that
having
spare
conduit
would
be
the
the
thing
that
we
would
ask
for
from
a
smart
utility
perspective.
I
I
hope
these
requests
are
not
giving
you
guys
headaches.
I
mean
I
can
just
put
myself
in
your
situation.
Saying
hey.
I
just
wanted
to
put
a
steam
line
and
now
you're
asking
for
the
kitten
caboodle.
I
True
true,
I
mean
it
is
just
that
these
these
gentlemen
have
been.
You
know
the
consumer,
gentle
gentleman's
okay
and
they've
been
always
doing
the
right
thing,
and
I,
when
people
do
the
right
thing,
we
just
want
to
make
sure
that
we
are
not
taking
advantage
of
each
other,
but
the
key
here
is
trying
to
do
the
right
thing
in
the
city's
asset.
When
you
get
a
ground
up
location,
it's
not
like
you're,
paying
rent
to
us.
Okay,
you.
We
don't
make
a
penny
out
of
it,
but
still
the
city,
the
pic
commission.
I
They
have
to
manage
their
right
of
way
in
the
interest
of
all
parties,
so
so
that
that
has
been
my
speech
for
the
last
two
decades,
where
you
get
a
free
ride.
Sorry,
because
you
know
we
are
not
charging
you
rent,
but
so
for
that,
not
just
that
like
give
consideration
to
managing
that
roadway,
so
it
doesn't
get
dug
up
200
times,
conditions
that
that's
it.
R
We
understand-
and
this
is
an
investment
that
we're
making
in
this
growing
neighborhood,
so
we
want
to
be
a
good
partner
with
the
city
and
support.
You
know
a
really
productive
neighborhood
here,
so
we.
J
No,
it
sounds
like
they've
got
some
homework
to
do,
but
we
are
all
set
other
than
that.
A
Scott
count:
when
would
you
like
to
come
back
to
the
pic
with
public
hearing.
R
A
So
you
can
provide
the
taste
better
than
I
can
in
real
time,
but
our
next
one
will
be.
A
I
The
biggest
concern
I
have
is
to
make
sure
that
all
the
private
utilities
that
you
have
received
those
here,
it's
okay,
so
I'm
not
sure
how
well
they
are
communicating
with
you,
because
you
may
have
to
insist
that
they
respond
keeping
in
mind
that
if
they
don't,
you
know
they
basically
forego
any
third
party
litigation
liability
from
here.
Okay,
so
your
lawyers
will
get
into
this
equation.
I
I'm
not
sure
whether
you
can
pull
it
all
off
in
two
weeks,
but
I
think
you
have
heard
what
we
are
trying
to
say
and
we
are
always
here
for
you,
but
we
just
don't
like
wasting
your
time,
not
our
time
wasting
your
time
to
have
to
come
back
and
say
hi
guys
we
are
not
ready
yet.
So
it
is
in
your
code
to
tell
us
when
you
are
in
a
position
to
come
back
to
us
with
all
your
ice
daughter,
teeth,
crossed
and
all
of
that
good
stuff.
Yeah.
R
A
All
right,
thank
you
so
much
for
that
I'll.
We
will
then
see
you
on
planets
here
on
february,
25th.