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From YouTube: Public Improvement Commission Hearings 3-3-22
Description
The Boston Public Improvement Commission (PIC) is the owner and regulator of the City's rights of way. The PIC plays an integral role in the City's development and permitting process. From the restaurant that wants to add a seasonal cafe on the public sidewalk, to the developer who wants to construct an underground parking garage for a new housing development, or the homeowner who wants to add an architectural feature to a house that juts into the public space, each must seek approval from the PIC to have its private venture occupy public space, either permanently or on a licensed basis.
A
Good
morning,
everyone
good
to
see
everybody
apologies
for
the
technical
difficulties,
but
hopefully
we
got
everything
sorted
out
and
are
able
to
and
everyone's
able
to
connect.
So
just
I
guess,
we're
gonna.
Kick
it
right
off
and
I
will
call
to
order
the
public,
recruiting
commission
hearing.
B
C
Certainly,
would
the
representative
from
the
public
works
department,
please
say
his
or
her
name.
A
Joshua
franklin
hodge,
commissioner
property
management.
C
E
A
Okay,
all
right
at
the
request
of
the
public
improvement
commission
staff,
the
acceptance
of
the
minutes
of
the
pic
hearing
of
held
on
february
17
2022..
Do
I
hear
a
motion
to
approve
the
minutes
I'll.
D
A
Hi
hi
any
opposed
or
abstain,
so
moved
all
right.
Moving
on
to
our
first
item
of
a
new
business,
let's
see
so
first
item
harold
street
hall
worthy
street
hollander
street
roxbury,
highway
discontinuances,
widening
relocation,
extension
on
a
set
of
joint
petitions
by
the
city
of
boston,
mayor's
office
of
housing
and
the
boston
redevelopment
authority,
dba,
boston
planning
and
development
agency.
C
Sorry,
we
actually
should
run
the
friend
street
public
hearing
item
first,
oh.
A
I'm
sorry
nope
you're,
absolutely
right.
I
skipped
right
over
the
public
hearing.
Apologies
we'll
step
back
to
the
new
business
in
a
moment,
so
public
hearing,
one
on
the
petition
by
crown
castle
for
granted
location
to
install
replacement
telecommunications
infrastructure
within
friend
street
public
way,
boston
proper,
located
on
its
southwesterly
side
at
address
number
222
generally
between
anthony
rip,
valenti
way
and
causeway
street.
A
A
H
Yes,
good
morning,
this
is
anna
simashka,
I'm
from
crown
castle
and
with
me
today
is
brian
brian
cunningham
and
my
video
is
supposed
to
be
not
working
anyways
as
a
matter
of
fact,
we're
withdrawing
our
petition
for
this
grant
of
location
on
france
street
to
review
the
commissioner's
feedback
and
possibly
make
changes
based
on
that
feedback.
A
Excellent,
mr
limey,
do
we
need
to
take
any
action
for
withdrawal.
C
D
D
C
A
Aye
any
opposed
so
moved
all
right.
Thank
you.
Thank
you
very
much
so
now
back
to
new
business
number
one
which
I'll
read
again:
harold
street
wholeworthy
street
hollander
street
roxbury,
highway
discontinuances,
widening
relocation,
extension
on
a
set
of
joint
petitions
by
the
city
of
boston,
mayor's
office
of
housing
and
the
boston
redevelopment
authority,
dba,
boston
planning
and
development
agency.
Would
the
presenters
please
introduce
themselves
in
their
affiliations
and
provide
a
brief
overview
of
the
project.
J
This
is
a
joint
petition
of
bpda
and
mlh
for
the
whiting,
relocation
and
extension
to
reopen
the
herald
streets
between
the
intersections
of
hollander
and
hall-worthy
streets
as
petitions,
in
support
of
a
joint,
bpda
and
moh
effort
to
redevelop
big
vacant
bpda
on
land
along
herald
whole
worthy
and
hollander
streets
to
provide
new
mixed
income.
Homeownership
opportunities
in
this
neighborhood,
the
bpda
land
will
be
subdivided
into
residential
lot
suitable
for
the
construction
of
single
and
two
family
homes.
J
This
plant
redevelopment
plan
and
the
design
were
developed
in
consultation
with
city
agencies
and
our
community
partner.
The
garrison
charter
neighborhood
association,
and
I
do
want
to
acknowledge
that
we
received
some
additional
comments
from
bpd
and
public
works
this
morning
that
we
will
review
and
incorporate
after
this
hearing
and
now
we're
happy
to
answer
any
questions.
Should
I
be
sharing
screen
here
with
copies
of
the
plans.
A
That
might
be
helpful
if
there
are
questions
from
the
from
from
the
commissioners.
So,
yes,
please
feel
free
to
share
okay.
A
You
can
zoom
that
in
a
little
bit
and
perhaps
just
very
quickly
give
folks
a
sense
of
what
they
are
looking
at.
J
Yeah,
so
this
is
the
section
of
harold
street
that
we're
proposing
to
reopen
between
hollander
and
wholeworthy
streets.
There
are
some
proposed
footprints
of
proposed
buildings
as
part
of
the
redevelopment
shown
here
as
well,
in
curb
cuts.
A
A
is
there
a
discontinuance
plan
as
well.
J
Yes,
two
discontinuance
plans
for
sections
of
whole
worthy
and
hollander
street.
Give
me
a
moment.
I
will
share
those
as
well.
J
G
G
We
had
submitted
those
comments
back
to
zac,
but
now,
with
zach
not
being
around
jeff,
has
just
gotten
these
plans
and
started
to
take
a
look
at
him.
So
we
want
to
get
him
fully
up
to
speed.
He
had
a
couple
of
questions,
but
we
want
to
make
sure
our
comments
align
with
jeff's
comments
and
that
he's
fully
aware
of
how
we
got
here.
G
I
Thank
you
jamie.
So,
as
you
know,
there
were
many
discussions
between
your
department
and
public
works
as
to
the
condition
of
the
street
and
how
that
is
going
to
be
managed
to
support
this
wonderful
project.
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
we
are
all
on
the
same
page
and
I
did
miss
something
because
currently,
commission
members,
the
street,
is
closed
for
it
through
traffic,
okay
and
it
needs
to
be
open
to
support
the
housing
stock
that
is
being
planned
with
addresses
facing
hollander
street.
I
So
jamie
you
are
when
I
say
you,
your
project
is
taking
on
the
task
of
opening
up
the
street,
making
sure
that
it
is
usable
upon
the
completion
of
the
construction
and
that
it
will
have
the
necessary
drainage
infrastructure
to
support
the
functionality
of
the
street
plus
the
street
lights
that
are
there
and
all
of
that
good
stuff.
Is
that
correct?
Jamie.
J
Yes,
jay.
Do
you
have
anything
to
add
to
that.
L
I
C
A
Is
two
weeks
enough
time
to
address
the
concerns
you've
heard
here
today
and
the
other
items
that
you
mentioned.
Having
received
feedback
on.
J
I
I
think
there
may
be
some
additional
comments.
We're
awaiting
from
public
works
so,
depending
on
the
timing
of
those
comments,
we'll
certainly
turn
those
around.
A
Okay,
should
is,
is
the
interest
in
seeing
this
back
on
the
agenda
for
public
hearing
in
two
weeks
or
is
there
another
time
that
would
be
more
appropriate.
E
Well,
I'd
like
to
think
so
again,
as
you
said,
though,
we
do
need
to
get
feedback
from
public
works,
so
it'll
depend
a
little
bit
on
the
timing,
but
I
mean
my
personal
opinion.
Is
you
know
if
we
were
to
just
plan
for
two
weeks
and
then
you
know
if,
for
whatever
reason
that
doesn't
work
out,
I
mean
we
could
always
just
be
continuing
to
the
following
meeting
right.
I
Chief
amy,
I
I
apologize
for
my
not
remembering
everything.
One
of
the
issues
that
were
one
of
the
issues
that
may
have
been
a
concern
in
the
neighborhood
is
when
you
open
the
street
up
what
it
does
to
traffic
circulation.
I
G
That's
that's.
Our
outstanding
ask
is
for
race
crossings
at
either
end
and
we
are
going
the
direction
that
the
community
desires
specifically
to
thwart
the
cut
through
traffic.
Correct.
M
A
If
there
are
no
other
questions
or
comments,
we
will
plan
to
see
you
on
march
17th
and
please
work
with
the
pic
staff.
If
there's
any
changes
needed
to
that
date,.
A
Moving
on
to
new
business
item
number
two
88
seaport
boulevard,
northern
avenue
fan
pure
boulevard
pure
street,
south
boston,
layout
approval,
pedestrian,
easement,
specific
repairs,
project
license
earth
retention,
license
on
a
set
of
joint
petitions
by
seaport
d,
title
holder,
llc,
seaport,
f,
retail
owner
llc,
seaport
square
development,
company
llc
massachusetts
bay,
transportation
authority
and
the
boston
redevelopment
authority,
dba,
boston
planning
and
development
agency
with
the
presenters.
Please
introduce
themselves
their
affiliations
and
provide
a
brief
overview
of
the
project
and
its
various
actions,
after
which
we'll
hear
from
the
commission.
F
Sure,
good
morning,
my
name
is
amy
prange
with
seaport
d,
title
holder,
seaport
square
development
company,
both
affiliates
of
ws
development.
Thank
you
for
your
time
here
today.
F
The
block
d
project
shown
here
in
blue
is
part
of
the
seaport
square
master
plan
with
an
address
of
88
seaport
boulevard
project
is
located
just
west
of
district
hall
on
seaport
boulevard
and
is
founded
by
fanpierre
boulevard,
which
is
a
private
way
open
of
public
travel,
northern
avenue
and
the
new
peer
street,
which
we'll
talk
about
today,
which
is
a
new
private
way
open
to
public
travel,
which
will
be
constructed
with
the
new
building
in
conjunction
with
this
project.
F
F
N
Good
morning,
members
of
the
commission,
my
name
is
johnny
sanchez
from
wilson
in
stores
here
on
behalf
of
the
petitioners
seaport
d,
title
holder,
llc,
seaport,
f,
retail,
owner
llc
and
seaport
square
development,
company
llc
in
connection
with
the
project
that
amy
just
presented,
we're
respectfully
requesting
approval
of
the
following
actions.
N
The
first
is
the
layout
approval
of
a
new
private
way
open
to
public
travel,
called
peer
stream
just
on
the
east
side
of
the
project
that
is
being
constructed
in
accordance
with
the
proposed
and
constructed
in
accordance
with
the
approved
pda
plan.
The
second
is
approval,
specific
repairs
within
northern
avenue,
seaport
boulevard
and
fan
pair
boulevard.
N
A
third
is
a
canopy
license
within
pierce
street
seaport,
boulevard
van
peer
boulevard
and
northern
avenue.
We're
also
requesting
a
temporary
earth
retention
system
within
secret
boulevard,
northern
northern
avenue
and
pier
street,
as
well
as
a
pedestrian
newsman
along
here
seaport
boulevard.
Excuse
me
now
now
I'll
turn
it
over
to
john
schmidt
of
niche
engineering
to
discuss
our
first
public
hearing
item,
which
is
the
excuse.
The
new
business
item,
which
is
the
layout
approval
peer
stream.
O
O
We
will
have
a
temporary
tie-back
system
in
order
to
build
the
slurry
wall,
and
that
will
be
those
those
tie
backs
will
be
detentioned
prior
to
project
completion
when,
when
the
structure
allows
such
detention
to
occur,
and
then
along
seaport
boulevard,
that
will
be
a
slurry
wall
that
will
be
braced.
As
you
can
see
by
this
detail
here,
we
about
the
mbta
civil
line
tunnel
so
that
we're
very
tight
and
are
unable
to
provide
tiebacks
there.
O
The
project
is
coordinating
closely
with
the
mbta
to
ensure
that
all
of
their
concerns
are
met
as
well,
once
the
once
the
project
allows
again,
they
will
be
detentioned
along
northern
ave
and
then
the
entire
story
wall
that
falls
within
the
public
waves
will
be
cut
to
be
six
feet
below
existing
grade.
As
is
standard
practice.
O
I
John
quick
question
on
the
northern
avenue
bridge
your
tie
backs
you're,
going
to
detention
and
keep
it
in
the
ground.
I
have
lost
track
of
where
the
ever
source
project
you
know
the
345
kv
oil
encased
power
line
that
is
over
there.
They
were
supposed
to
straighten
the
thing
I
don't
know
the
I
don't
recall
the
status
of
them
upgrading
their
assets.
My
question
is:
when
you
leave
those
temporary
tiebacks
permanently
detention
in
the
ground,
will
it
limit
a
resources
ability
to
manage
their
asset
within
the
northern
avenue
right
of
way.
O
I
I
Okay,
chief,
the
well
amy,
you
are
proposing
a
private
way
open
to
public
travel.
Okay.
Now,
if
I'm
on
separate
boulevard-
and
I
actually
want
to
walk
towards
the
waterfront
area,
which
are
the
alignments
or
streets
that
are
public
open
to
travel,
this
is
so
that
we
all
are
mindful
of
the
various
north-south
links
that
are
completely
public.
I
O
So
if
you
allow
me,
along
on
the
fan
peer
development,
all
the
streets
within
van
peer
are
private
ways
open
to
public
access,
so
these
are
all
private
ways
peer
street
ex
pure
pure,
for
extension,
I
believe
the
public,
I
think
the
public
layout
of
this
ends
here.
I
believe
this
is
a
private
way,
as
you
work
your
way
down
this
end
here,
but
and
then
we
have
the
public
green
public
green
as
well.
That
allows
access
and
the
the
chapter
91
requirements,
republican
along
the
waterfront
as
well.
O
I
I
Okay,
and
now
we
are,
we
are
extending
that
exclusivity
between
northern
and
seaport
boulevard.
Also,
okay-
and
this
just
this
is
action
with
the
public
improvement
commission
takes
just
want
to.
Let
all
parties
know
how
it
is
going
to
play
out
in
five
years.
G
So
I
guess
kind
of
maybe
related
to
para's
question,
but
I
think
that
the
outstanding
comments
or
questions
that
we
have
on
pier
4
after
talking
to
pat,
is
that
I
don't
think
we
understand
what's
supposed
to
be
on
it.
I
know
that
the
it
being
flexible
is
kind
of
a
part
of
the
program,
but
if
we
have
20
feet,
what's
the
regulation
that
is
proposed
on
the
side
of
it,
it's
going
to
be
one
way.
Does
it
is
it
no
parking?
Is
there
parking
if
there
is
parking?
What
is
that
parking?
G
I
think
that
our
specific
ask
is
going
to
be
to
have
a
raised
crossing
at
either
end
of
this.
This
feels
like
a
thin
kind
of
pedestrian
scale
street,
which
I
think
brings
me
to
my
next
question
is:
do
we
need
cars
on
this
street?
I
know
that
we
had
fan
pier
out
there
for
a
while
built
and
we
closed
it
and
it's
been
a
restaurant
ever
since
I
know
that
that
will
open,
but
maybe
that
type
of
pedestrian
character
aligns
kind
of
well
with
this
street.
G
We
can
lay
it
out
as
a
street,
but
do
we
need
to
or
do
we
need
to
start
with
vehicles
out
here?
I
guess
and
understanding
that
there's
retail
and
we
need
to
figure
out
how
to
get
them
the
stuff
that
they
need.
But
if
this
doesn't
have
parking
and
it
doesn't
have
garages,
would
this
potentially
start
as
a
cafe
pedestrian
street
like
fan?
Pier,
has
been
these
past
couple
years
with
the
ability
to
to
open
it
to
travel,
but
it
being
northbound
and
you
not
being
able
to
cross.
F
Yeah
sure
I
can
just
jump
in
for
a
minute.
I
can
assure
you
power
that
there
will
be
no
gates
installed
in
any
of
these
streets
and
we
do
want
them
to
feel
like
public
ways.
That's
very
much
part
of
our
design
intent,
but
peer
street
is
designed
right
now
as
one
way
north
there's
no
parking
on
the
street.
It's
the
entire
street
is
raised
with
a
flush
sidewalk,
so
there's
a
raise.
F
It
is
our
intention
to
try
to
close
the
street
periodically
for
events,
so
we
aren't
doing
that
anymore
on
fanfare,
boulevard,
which
can
stay
open
to
cars,
so
this
would
be
kind
of
replacing
what
we
have
been
doing
on
pure
boulevard
for
the
past
couple
years.
G
I
guess
my
question
is:
is:
can
we
leave
it?
Can
we
leave?
Do
we
need
to
start
with
vehicles
on
here
specifically?
What
what?
What?
What
do
we
gain?
I
guess
by
having
cars
on
the
street.
F
G
No,
no
and
I'm
not
disputing
that
and
I'm
not
saying
that
we
even
take
away
that
as
an
option.
I'm
just
saying
that,
because
we've
had
fans
here
closed
for
so
long
and
your
desire
is
going
to
be
to
close
the
seasonally
that
maybe
that
this
can
just
be
limited
right
access
street
and
become
more
pedestrian
cafe.
And
you
know
if
a
point
in
time.
G
It
needs
to
be
that,
but
I
think
also
to
the
point
of
it
being
tabled
and
I'll
defer
to
sarah
on
some
of
this
stuff,
but
you've
got
ramps
and
stuff
that
look
like
we're
coming
down
and
coming
back
up
again
at
either
end.
So
if
this
whole
thing
is
tabled,
it
should
present
kind
of
a
a
more
solid
curb
edge
at
the
gutter
line.
As
far
as
a
continuous
sidewalk
without
ramps
and
tac
right,
like
the
tactile
stuff
and
all
that
has
to
be,
I
think
yeah.
O
Amy
we
could
we
can.
We
will
take
a
look
at
tabling
this.
It's
not
something
we
considered
because
it
wasn't
part
of
the
master
plan,
nor
that
question
has
been
raised
till
today,
but
we
will
look
at
tabling
this
and
if
you
allow
me
to
look
at,
provide
you,
this
cross-section
of
of
the
roadway
it'll,
explain
it
a
little
bit
better
and
it
really
you're
correct.
It
lends
itself
to
the
pedestrian
experience
which
will
allow
vehicular
access,
but
doesn't
encourage
particular
access
and
by
table
topping
that
it
will.
O
Then
it
will
also
add
to
the
conversation
about
making
it
less
of
a
street
and
more
of
a
public
access,
but
the
cross
section
of
the
roadways.
Here
we
have
our
88
seaport
building
here.
This
is
actually
a
six
foot
wide
concrete
sidewalk.
This
drawing
has
been
updated
since
we
changed
that,
but
we
have
six
foot
wide
concrete
sidewalk.
O
We
have
about
a
six
foot
wide
frontage
zone,
which
consists
of
the
street
trees,
some
pretty
some
flush
pavers,
as
well
as
some
plantings,
and
then
we
have
a
flush,
curb
condition
that
visually
delineates,
the
path
of
travel
with
a
20
foot,
wide
path
of
travel.
That
is
the
cobblestone
that
we
spoke
to,
and
then
we
mirror
the
same
condition
on
the
district
hall
side,
where
we
have
about
six
foot
wide
frontage
zone
with
the
boulders
and
the
street
trees,
and
there's
also
street
lights
in
here.
O
O
So
yes,
the
intent
here
is
to
make
it
a
private
way
open
to
public
access.
But
if
there's
a
way
that
you'd
like
us
to
reverb,
if
there's
a,
if
we
want
to
need
to
call
it
something
else
to
meet
the
objections,
you're,
not
the
objections,
the
goals
that
you're
sharing
with
us
today.
I
think
that's
something
that
we
would
entertain.
G
Yeah,
no,
I
guess
my
question
is-
is
really
about
the
need
for
vehicles
up
here.
Also,
if
the
side
that
is
retail
has
is
going
to
have
great
cafe
uses,
we
want
to
give
them
as
much
space
as
possible
and
they
were
to
receive
the
entirety
of
the
sidewalk
having
a
cobbled
middle
removes
the
accessible
path.
So
I
just
think
we
should
talk
about
all
this
stuff
so
that
we
don't
end
up
in
an
old
sleeper
situation
with
a
weird,
accessible
path.
G
G
But
I
guess
I
don't
understand
why
we
need
to
introduce
vehicles
at
the
onset,
particularly
if
this
is
going
to
be
seasonally
closed.
G
Can
we
start
with
it
closed
and
leave
it
closed
to
vehicles
or
allowing
whatever
needs
to
show
up
there
to
make
deliveries
et
cetera
whatever
that
is,
and
then
at
the
point
in
time
when,
when
we
see
a
need
for
this,
to
have
cars
go
up
and
down
it,
because
I
think
that
the
fear
is
that
a
20-foot
roadway
up
there
without
it
being
enforced
or
regulated,
is
just
gonna.
G
Have
people
parking
all
over
it
in
a
weird
shared
space
that
it
won't
serve
any
purpose
other
than
people
parking
where
they
shouldn't?
I
guess
so.
If
we
could
start
without
cars,
I
think
that
that's
a
benefit
and
I
think
the
rest
of
it
is
just
thinking
about
it.
From
the
perspective
of
I
mean
like
it
was
more
amy's
thing
but
like
if
you
want
cafes
out
here.
G
I
just
think
that,
right,
if
you
want
to
maximize
their
space,
let's
make
sure
that
we
have
ever
the
compliant
path
so
that
that,
if
they're
walking
elsewhere,
that
we
can
give
a
lot
of
space
over
to
a
cafe
and
still
have
a
accessible
path
down.
The
street
yeah.
K
So
this
is
guyabusa
here
from
harvard
sign.
Hudson,
you
know
my
recollection
and
john.
You
could
correct
me
if
I'm
wrong
and
or
amy
that
peer
street
here
is
never
never
been
a
critical
link
for
vehicles.
K
You
know
the
critical
link
for
vehicles
down
here
is
the
extension
of
northern
nav,
which
is
now
pure
for
boulevard,
right
and
sleeper
street
and
and
parody
your
point
about
this
feeling
exclusionary.
You
know
I
lived
down
here
for
four
years
and
the
look
in
the
field
these
streets
and
the
signage
is
mentioned-
has
never
felt
anything
other
than
a
public
way.
Really
the
signs,
the
parking
signs
even
look
like
btd
signs,
but
then
they
say
you
know
it's
managed
at
the
fallon
properties.
For
example,
it's
managed
by
by
a
private
contractor,
so.
K
I
O
I
You
know
the
the
properties
that
are
between
boston
and
massport,
slash,
edic
and
then
this
whole
notion
of
public
versus
private,
just
just
bringing
all
of
that
into
the
conversation
to
ensure
that
the
lens
which
we
are
looking
at
this
stuff,
as
we
continue
to
approve,
is
as
transparent
as
possible.
That
is
the
singularity
of
the
purpose
of
me.
Putting
this
thing
on
the
record:
okay,.
O
So
I'll
now
speak
to
this
specifically
paris.
Our
first
at
our
first
request
is
a
series
of
recharge
wells
along
northern
avenue.
O
We
were
providing
five
wells
along
northern
avenue
that
started
our
building
and
then
extended
in
front
of
district
hall,
a
parcel
that
we
still
control
and
we're
going
to
capture
within
the
building
with
one
and
a
quarter
inches
of
storm
water,
as
required
by
the
bpda
and
boston,
water
and
sewer.
O
The
wells
are
about
35
feet
deep
and
they
will
collect
and
recharge
the
stormwater,
and
then
the
excess
water
will
flow
out
to
northern
ave
as
you,
the
dark
line
at
the
top
is
this:
drawing
is
a
30
inch
storm
drain
that
ws
development
is
committed
to
reconstruct
committed
to
constructing,
through
coordination
with
boston,
water
and
stewart.
O
More
than
that
will
provide
a
12
and
a
half
foot
wide
concrete
sidewalk,
a
5
foot
wide
course.
Paver
led
street
lighting,
5
new
street
trees,
and
we
are
working
with
sarah
on
the
ramp
configuration
and
we
will
now
based
on
the
conversation
we
have
today.
We
will
also
look
at
providing
this
as
a
a
table
top
and
a
raised
crosswalk,
which
will
actually
help
us
in
this
design,
because
we
are
a
lot
happening
in
this
corner
and
raising
that,
I
think,
will
improve
the
condition
and
provide
a
better
not
only.
O
Path
but
general
layout
of
the
facilities,
and
we
also
received
denise's
comments,
the
boston,
what
the
site
plan
application
went
into
boston,
water
and
sewer
a
couple
months
ago.
We
just
received
their
comments
first
round
of
comments
this
week,
we'll
be
resubmitting
to
them
in
the
coming
weeks
and
denise.
Thank
you
for
coming
your
comments
and
we'll
make
sure
they
get
incorporated
into
the
site
plan
or
within
the
pic
plan,
such
as
the
don't
know,
plaques
and
other
things
that
you
noted
in
your
email.
O
On
seaport
boulevard,
we
have
a
10-foot
seaport.
Boulevard
is
an
interesting
component
here,
as
is
all
of
seaport
square.
Let
me
just
first
say
that
there
is
now
presently
there
is
a
bh,
a
bpda
easement
here
that
we
are
through
these
actions.
We
will
be
re
reestablishing
that
easement
as
a
pedestrian
easement
open
to
public
ways
that
will
follow
the
public
works
of
the
city
of
boston.
That
was
a
request
that
was
made
by
public
works
in
the
last
couple
last
week
or
two.
O
But
what
we
have
here
is
a
con
10
foot
wide
concrete
sidewalk,
a
10
foot,
wide
pervious
paver
planting
zone
between
the
curb
line
and
the
sidewalk.
We
have
braised
planters
within
this
area
that
are
raised
about
a
foot
above
grade,
and
then
we
have
the
previous
pavers
and
we
have
a
series
of
benches
here
too.
O
It's
as
well
as
four
new
street
lights
along
the
building
face
in
the
easement
area
that
I
suppose
just
spoke
to
would
provide
a
concrete
access
to
the
main
entrance
with
recessed
doors
and
then
we'll
have
the
access
accessible,
pavers
along
the
front
edge
of
the
building
as
well.
O
O
Thank
you,
amy
and,
as
we
move
to
the
next
so
we're
into
the
details.
So
those
are
the
specific
repair
requests
we
have
for
this
project.
We
just
spoke
to
peer
street
private
ways
a
few
moments
ago,
so
I
won't
get
into
that
again
and
we
do
have
an
ask
for
canopies
and
banners
on
northern
avenue.
We
here
we
have.
I
know
that
we
have
two
canopies.
There
are
10
feet
above
grade
they
project
approximately
three
feet
out.
They
are
interiorly
internally
drained
and
de-traced.
O
We
also
have
seven
banners
along
northern
ave
as
here's
a
detailed
banner.
The
banner
the
base
of
the
banner
is
act
great
and
extends
approximately
15
and
a
half
feet
up
and
projects
into
the
public
way
less
than
a
foot.
O
On
peer
street,
maybe
the
private
way
we
spoke
to
earlier.
We
have
four
canopies
one
four:
can
a
piece
they're
also
10
feet
above
grade
heat,
trace,
internally
drain
and
project
out?
Actually
they
project
only
less
than
a
foot
into
the
private
way.
O
And
then,
along
seaport
boulevard,
we
have
four
canopies
that
are
ten
feet
above
grade
my
notes
here:
they're
approximately
11
feet
above
grade
they
project
less
than
four
feet
into
the
pedestrian
easement
and
they
are
heat,
traced
and
internally
drained
and
there's.
We
have
25
feet
of
clearance
between
the
canopy
itself
and
the
curved
line,
so
they're
set
way
back
from
the
street
line
the
traveled
way
line.
A
Can
I
ask
you
to
go
back
to
the
seaport
boulevard
plan,
the
canopy?
No,
the
the
the
specific
repairs.
A
E
A
Bulb
outs
and
a
new,
a
new
roadway
there,
so
with
the
condition
of
how
that
bike
lane
travels
around
those
curb
extensions,
be
the
sort
of
same
design
and
construction
as
the
as
the
rest
of
seaport,
boulevard's
facility.
F
O
The
bike
lane
where
my
earth
is
going
is
that
correct.
K
G
G
So
you
were
at
cur
you're
staying
at
the
curb
the
whole
way.
It's
just
where
the
curb
jogs
in
behind
parking
is
changing.
F
We're
happy
to
share
a
plan
when
we
come
back
for
public
hearing.
If
that's.
A
That
would
be.
That
would
be
helpful
and
I
think
the
specific
concern
is
that
the
interaction
of
the
bike
lane
and
the
the
curb
extensions
along
super
boulevard
has
created
a
lot
of
buffer
space
for
cars
to
double
park
that
often
end
up
blocking
the
entrances
and
exits
from
the
bike
lane.
A
So,
where
you're
creating
additional
curb
extensions
here,
it
would
be
good
to
show
what
barrier
or
protection
you
intend
to
put
in
place
along
that
entrance
and
exit
for
the
bicycle
lane
to
prevent
vehicular
blockage
there
and
to
I
know,
there's
been
some
addition
of
barriers
in
other
parts
of
the
land.
But
I
would
like
to
see
that
reflected
in
this.
I
K
Grab
that
same
detail,
it's
the
same
exact
detail
up
and
down
seaport
boulevard
right
pretty
much.
K
B
O
That's
the
that's
the
extent
of
the
presentation.
A
Any
comments
or
questions
from
other
members
of
the
commission.
A
Once
any
comments
or
questions
from
the
pic
staff
or
the
public,
no
none
is
two
weeks
enough
time
to
address
what
you've
heard
here
today.
F
I
think,
with
the
addition
of
this
pedestrian
easement
seaport
boulevard,
we
would
like
four
weeks,
if
that's
possible,
so
we
can
have
those
plants
updated
in
our
petitions
signed
with
our
co-petitioners.
A
Yep,
that
should
not
be
a
problem
that
puts
us
at
it,
looks
like
march
31st,
so
we'll
plan
to
see
you
then.
A
All
right,
thank
you.
So
much
moving
on
to
our
final
order
of
new
business.
Freeman
street
clarendon
street
columbus,
ave,
dorchester,
boston,
proper,
specific
repairs
on
petition
by
the
massachusetts
bay
transportation
authority.
A
Q
Yes,
thank
you
good
morning.
I
want
to
thank
the
commission
for
the
opportunity
to
present
a
new
business
today
I
will
introduce
our
team
and
then
we'll
quickly
go
through
a
brief
presentation
that
will
highlight
some
of
the
proposed
accessibility
improvements
at
these
two
locations
on
the
call
today
are
katherine
quigley.
She
is
the
deputy
director
of
strategic
planning
in
the
department
of
system-wide
accessibility
at
the
mbta.
Q
M
Great,
thank
you
lou.
Thank
you,
commissioners.
Thank
you
for
the
opportunity
to
present
the
mbti
system,
wide
accessibility,
improvements
project
to
you
today.
Like
you
said,
these
two
locations
are
at
clarendon
street
at
columbus
avenue
next
to
the
back
bay
station
that
hosts
the
orange
line
and
commuter
rail
and
the
second
location
is
at
freeman
street
athlete's
partner
busway,
which
is
next
to
the
field
corner
station
along
the
red
line,
and
so
the
overall
goal
of
the
project
is
that
umta
will
like
to
make
all
the
routes
accessible
to
their
stations
accessible.
M
They
want
to
remove,
eliminate
any
sort
of
deficiencies
to
make
their
facilities
accessible
by
all,
I'm
just
going
to
start
with
the
existing
conditions
on
clarity
at
columbus
avenue.
This
is
the
north
corner
of
the
intersection.
As
you
can
see,
there
is
a
asphalt
patch
over
the
apex
curb
ramp
at
the
location
and
has
been
like
this
ever
since.
Google's
review
has
been
a
thing
and
because
of
this
asphalt
pass
there
a
lot
of
deficiencies,
a
lot
of
safety
concerns
as
well,
so
I'll
just
run
through
some
of
the
safety
concerns.
M
M
Another
constraint
or
another
issue
is
over
here
you
could
see
an
accessible
parking
spot.
However,
you
know
the
accessible
parking
spot.
Anyone
using
a
cell
phone
parking
spot
will
then
ultimately
need
to
use
this
curb
ramp,
which
is
not
very
friendly
and
then
lastly,
there's
other
constraints
such
as
a
steep
running
slope,
down
clarendon
street
as
well
as
columbus
avenue,
as
you
can
see
in
the
first
and
third
pictures.
M
It
will
require
to
remove
a
one
parking
spot.
However,
the
safety
benefits
of
the
curb
extension
will
outweigh
the
the
need
for
that
parking
spot
by
bumping
out
this
curb
extension.
There
will
be
a
greater
sight
line
between
pedestrians
and
drivers,
and
there
will
also
be
accessible
access
to
the
different
crosswalks.
It
also
shortens
the
crossing
distance
between
or
along
clarendon
street,
which
then
shortens
the
amount
of
exposure
time
between
vehicles
to
sort
of
pedestrians
to
vehicular
traffic.
M
In
working
with
btd
signals,
they
have
asked
us
to
propose
a
detection
camera
on
this
pedestrian
pedestal.
There
are,
according
to
the
signal
plans,
there
are
loop
detectors
that
are
running
into
this
onto
clarendon
street.
It
will
be
redundant,
however,
if
the
loop
detectors
were
to
ever
fail
in
the
future.
The
video
detection
camera
will
be
there
to
support,
and
one
last
key
element
is
that
this
location
is
on
top
of
a
bridge
deck
with
the
I-90
and
mbta
rails.
M
Running
underneath,
and
so
the
curves
will
be
will
not
be
set
into
the
bridge
deck.
They
will
be
anchored
into
the
concrete
which
I
can
show
later.
One
last
element
is
this
portion
here
the
dotted
line.
We
went
through
mav
variants
and
they
have
approved
us
having.
I
M
Section
next
to
the
retaining
wall
to
exceed
two
percent
cross
slope.
In
order
to
maintain
a
two
percent
crossover
along
the
majority
of
the
sidewalk.
M
I
William
teacher
here
so
just
to
give
you
a
little
bit
of
history
as
to
why
you
see
that
monstrosity
of
that
asphalt
thrown
over
there
for
quite
a
long
time.
We've
struggled
to
fix
that
corner
and
we
have
always
been
challenged
because
of
the
fact
that
you
have
mbta
assets
underneath
so
truly
appreciative
of
the
fact
that
you
all
have
seen
the
wisdom
to
do
what
needs
to
be
done
and
not
have
a
monstrosity
of
that
asphalt.
Patch,
that's
issue
one.
I
My
second
question,
william,
is:
have
you
tracked
down
the
condition
of
the
rams
at
the
four
three
other
locations
around
this
intersection,
and
you
t
your
team
needs
to
certify
to
the
city's
team
that
they
are
in
compliance
to
the
degree
it
needs
to
be
so
lou.
Have
you
all
looked
it
into
this,
because
you
know
what
I'm
trying
to
say
right,
yeah.
Q
I
Yeah
so
lou,
it's
gotten
a
little
bit
legal
on
our
end
over
here.
You
basically
need
to
certify
that
someone,
probably
trained
and
qualified
to
make
that
assessment
has
done
the
field,
inspection
and
assessment
of
the
fact
that
they
are
in
conformance
okay,
rather
than
a
trailing
note
from
another
set
of
plans.
I
Q
I
M
D
P
So
I
believe
that
snow
removal
takes
place
because
we
have
the
exit
above,
I'm
not
sure
that
we
do
down
to
the
curb
ramp.
But
I
wouldn't
be
surprised
if
we
do,
because
if
you
look
in
the
background,
that
is
the
orange
line.
I
Hi
catherine
good
to
see
you
and
yes,
but
hopefully
you
understand,
I
mean
you've,
seen
it
from
both
sides.
We
are
having
a
bit
of
a
challenge
where
someone
forgets
to
pick
up
the
snow,
and
sometimes
it
does.
It
looks
quite
awkward
when
we
are
trying
to
make
these
improvements
for
the
sake
of
the
those
who
we
are
trying
to
serve
and
then
at
moments
of
vulnerability.
P
Yes,
absolutely,
and,
as
I'm
sure
you
know,
one
of
the
biggest
impediments
to
access
is
snow
removal
which
we're
likely
to
have
quite
a
bit
of
an
issue
with
in
new
england.
So
we're
very
aware
of
that.
But
I
think
first
we
have
to
have
an
accessible
sidewalk.
So,
but
we
can.
We
can
take
that
back
and
look
at
it.
P
But
I
am
fairly
confident
that
we
had
an
internal
conversation
about
snow
removal
in
this
location
and
feel
confident
that
this
area
has
the
crews
that
go
and
address
the
area
behind
at
least.
A
N
A
Any
conversations
whether
there
been
any
discussions
with
the
vtd
active
transportation
team
around
the
potential
for
the
the
degree
to
which
this
geometry
accommodates
potential
future
permanent
parking
protected
bike
facility
along
columbus,
south.
M
We
have
consulted
with
bpta,
we
talked
to
nick
schmidt
and
then
with
active
transportation.
We
were
talking
with
john
monticelli.
The
nerdum
brought
up
a
protected
fight
facility.
I
know
there
was
a
a
trial
or
a
like
a
tactile
one
with
cones
laid
out,
but
since
then
they
have
been
removed
and
I'm
not
sure
of
any
future
plans
of
any
permanent
protector.
Yeah.
A
It
is
the
intent
of
the
city
to
at
some
point,
establish
a
permanent,
contiguous,
protected
bike
facility
along
columbus
ave.
So
just
it
sounds
like
you've
been
in
touch
with
john
from
the
active
transportation
team
and
just
wanted
to
make
sure
that
the
the
gm
that
this
under
the
existing
geometric
constraints-
I
don't
think
you're,
actually
touching
the
curve.
You
know
where
it
comes
around
at
columbus,
but
just
to
make
sure
that
the
geometric
constraints
don't
don't
prevent
that
from
from
happening
in
the
future.
M
Right
and-
and
since
this
is
the
south
end,
there's
also
an
extensive
amount
of
curb
extensions,
so
I
believe,
on
the
other
side,
there's
also
more
curb
extensions,
so
you
know
there's
nothing
that
will
be
too
out
of
the
ordinary
for
a
typical
commuting,
bicyclist
or
anything.
B
B
I
mentioned
this
through
our
meetings
with
willa
and
blue,
but
we
just
want
to
ensure
that
the
accessible
parking
space,
if
that
is
at
all
affected
during
construction,
that
you
just
let
our
department
know,
so
we
can
have
that
relocated
and
coordinate
with
whoever
uses
that
space,
but
other
than
that,
we
appreciate
your
partnership
on
both
of
these
projects.
M
Q
Well
before
we
move
on
the
question
for
todd,
I
know
one
of
your
comments
you
submitted
ahead
of
the
meeting
was
about
the
color
of
the
detectable
warning
panels.
We
did
meet
with
the
landmarks
commission,
I
think,
for
this
location
they
requested
red,
not
yellow,
and,
I
know,
yellow
is
typically
the
color
that's
used.
C
M
Yeah
the
landmarks,
the
south
and
landmark
district
requested
red
actually,
okay,.
C
One
question
I
do
have
actually
is
whether
or
not
this
bridge
deck
is
the
jurisdiction
of
the
mbta
or
massdot.
I
don't
know
if
you
know
off
the
top
of
your
head.
M
Okay,
are
there
any
final
questions
on
this
location?
If
not,
I
will
proceed
to
freeman
street.
M
Okay,
so
this
is
freeman
street
at
field's
partner
bus
way,
the
field
corner
busway
is
owned
by
the
mbta.
However,
free
mystery
is
owned
by
the
city
of
boston.
This
is
three
of
the
four
corners
of
prima
street.
The
one
on
the
left
is
the
east
corner.
This
is
the
south
corner
and
this
is
the
the
west
north
quarter,
and
so
basically,
you
see
along
freeman
street
they're,
very
narrow
sidewalks.
The
sidewalk
is
about
five
and
a
half
feet
wide.
The
sidewalk
here
is
about
six
feet
wide
and
there
are
all
these
different
obstructions.
M
You
see
the
grass
and
weeds
growing
into
it,
so
this
is
definitely
not
accessible
friendly.
I
believe,
even
at
this
pinch
point,
if
with
the
grass
growing
in
it
might
actually
make
it
make
it
inaccessible
and
then
not
only
that
there's
also
posts
in
in
this
along
the
sidewalk,
and
you
could
see
that
it's
also
an
apex
ramp
on
in
the
middle
picture,
you'll
see
a
lecture
cabinet
and
a
door
that
accesses
this.
M
I
guess
warehouse,
there's
a
mall,
that's
on
the
other
side
of
of
this
building,
where
it's
connected
to
the
mall.
So
this
is
a
loading
area
and
here
you'll
see
that
there's
no
level
landing
at
the
end
of
this
slope
and
also
there's
it's
also
a
apex
ramp
on
this
side.
You'll
see
that
the
tackle
warning
panel
is
getting
lifted.
It's
causing
tripping
hazards.
There's
this.
M
I
guess
island
that
that
houses,
the
hydrant
and
a
street
light
that
public
works
has
called
out
as
a
dripping
hazard,
or
has
many
complaints
that
it
is
a
tripping
hazard.
So,
with
all
these
three
like
locations,
we
are
proposing
the
following.
M
So
this
was
the
left
picture
on
this
corner,
we're
proposing
another
curve
extension.
This
will
widen
the
sidewalk
by
six
feet
and
we
are
going
to
relocate
this
light
pole
and
a
handful
associated
with
it
to
eliminate
that
accessible
deficiency.
M
We
are
also
going
to
create
a
six
foot
wide
ramp
going
across
freeman
street
similar
to
claridin.
This
will
also
eliminate
any
sight
line
issues
between
a
pedestrian
and
a
driver
coming
down
freeman
street
because
of
the
removal
of
the
first
parking
spot,
and
it
will
also
shorten
the
crossing
distance
as
well,
and
with
this
this
corner
then
going
to
the
second
corner.
There
were
a
few
constraints
at
the
second
corner,
like
I
said
before,
the
door,
the
luxury
cabinet,
the
lack
of
level
landing.
M
So
what
we're
proposing
is
a
level
landing
on
the
sidewalk,
a
ramp
that
ramps
down
and
then
a
level
landing
at
the
base.
We,
when
we
were
doing
our
field
work,
we
did
observe
vehicles,
single
unit
vehicles
or
delivery
trucks,
making
a
left
turn
from
freeway
onto
fields,
corner
busway
and
that
trampled
the
detectable
warning
panel
at
the
corner.
M
So
in
discussions
with
active
transportation,
they
will
prefer
a
ballard
placed
to
deter
vehicles
from
turning
as
opposed
to
expanding
the
radius
of
the
curved
line,
and
so
that
will
be
the
bollard
over
there
in
talking
with
the
office
of
disabilities.
Commission
we
are.
We
are
relocating
the
post
that
was
observed
here
to
this
location
over
here,
because
it
informs
pedestrians
that
there's
an
accessible
path
north
of
the
intersection.
M
So
with
this
location
done
we
move
on
to
here
we
are
at
the
request
of
public
works.
We
are
making
a
flush
between
the
island
and
the
level
landing
here,
and
we
also
are
creating
a
level
landing.
At
the
end
of
these
two
ramps,
there
were
some
constraints
with
the
mbta
rail
structure
that
is
vertical,
and
so
this
was
a
design
that
that
we
came
up
with
after
trans
office
of
disabilities
and
public
works.
Q
C
Yeah
just
loaming
seed
in
random
spots
like
that
is
a
I
mean
it's
nightmare
and
ends
up
just
looking
terrible,
so
we
can
just
make
it
something
that's
easier
to
make
or
doesn't
need
maintenance
that'd,
be
preferable.
Also
one
question
I
have
and
apologize
if
I
misheard
you
but
you're
putting
the
please
do
not
enter
signpost
kind
of
at
the
back
of
the
sidewalk
on
that
corner.
At
this
at
the
south
corner
of
the
intersection.
C
Can
that
post
be
put
right
on
the
corner
where
you're
proposing
the
bollard
so
that
we
don't
need
a
bollard
and
that
we
get
it
kind
of
out
of
the
path
of
travel
a
little
bit
more.
E
G
The
baller,
the
baller,
needs
to
be
there
or
the
sign
will
come
down.
So
I
think
that
the
ballard
necessary,
but
I'm
for
the
do
not
enter
being
more
at
the
corner.
I
M
Sounds
good
yeah,
my
initial
gut
reaction
is
I've
never
seen
a
a
signpost
like
so
close
to
the
corner
of
or
the
curve,
and
also
with
the
stop
sign,
and
it's
not
answer
sign.
You
know,
there's
a
width
to
them
that
might
get
hit
by
passing
vehicles,
but
we
could.
We
could
take
a
look
at
that.
E
G
Right,
well,
you
can
raise
the
other
side
too.
If
you
want,
but
yeah
I
mean
just
across
freeman,
particularly
on
this
tight
corner.
It
seems
like
you
almost
right,
like
there's
a
lot
more
space
for
stuff.
If,
if
we
don't
have
so
much
ramping
that
is
required.
P
So
for
some
background,
we
assessed
all
of
our
stations
for
barriers
and
in
that
we
did
the
exterior
and
access
points.
So
we
did
that
system-wide
at
hundreds
of
stations
and
we
looked
at
all
the
path
to
travel,
major
barriers,
and
these
were
prioritized.
We
looked
at
12
stations,
we're
doing
a
number
of
other
station
work
on
our
own
property
and
in
other
municipalities,
so
we're
trying
to
fix
major
barriers
without
making
major
projects
for
ourselves
so
that
we
can
system-wide
remove
barriers.
G
I
A
train
again,
I
cannot
echo
how
thankful
I
am,
and
many
of
us
over
here,
for
what
you
are
doing
over
there.
Okay,
so
the
system-wide
accessibility
truly
truly,
very
appreciative,
william
one
small
comment:
you
have
narrowed
the
roadway
by
moving
the
curb
at
stones.
You
should
give
a
dimension
because
right
now
I
have
no
idea
whether
I've
gone
from
x
to
y
and
whether
y's
enough
for
a
cockroach
to
go
through
so
william.
Do
you
have
a
sense
of
what
is
the
net
resulting
h,
stone
to
its
stone
with.
M
Right
right
definitely
not
10
feet
wide.
I
I
know
I
know
I
know,
but
then
again,
what
is
it
11,
12,
15
17?
Is
it
enough
for
the
city's
functionality
as
much
as
you
are
trying
to
accomplish
accessibility,
but
we
want
to
make
sure
it
is
balanced
and
that's
why
amy
suggested
another
way
of
doing
it,
but
then
I'm
always
so
mindful
of
catherine
not
busting
her
budget
on
the
first
job,
okay,
so
all
of
william.
I
M
Okay,
are
there
any,
oh
actually
so
show
the
rendering?
So
here
you
can
see
what
the
proposed
curve
extension
will
look
like
we're
also
going
to
be
restriping
the
crosswalks
because
of
how
faded
they
are,
but
this
is
the
first
rendering.
M
Second
here
you
can
see
the
proposed
signs,
the
ballard,
the
post,
as
well
as
the
the
ramp,
and
on
this
side
you
could
see
how
it
is
flush
with
the
the
island.
M
So
with
that
that
wraps
up
free
mystery
at
this
corner
busway,
so
commissioners,
are
there
any
other
questions
on
any
of
the
locations
we
presented
today.
A
Just
just
this
is
perhaps
me
not
understanding
what
the
change
is
being
proposed,
but
I
I
what
I
heard
was
that
this
island
is
being
made
flush
with
the
surrounding
sidewalks
and
I'm
still
seeing
the
return
on
the
ramp.
There
did.
I
misunderstand
the
intent
of
what's
happening.
M
So,
basically,
the
existing
condition.
Right
now
you
can
see
that
there
is
a
six-inch
reveal
against
the
sidewalk,
and
so
here
we'll
be
raising
the
sidewalk
to
or
actually
no
sorry
we're
lowering
the
curve
a
little
bit
and
raising
the
sidewalk
a
little
bit
to
then
join
at
this
point
and
then
the
ramp
would
go
down
along
the
curb
and
then,
similarly,
on
this
side,
it's
going
down
along
the
curve
and
it'll
still
be
a
six
inch
reveal
at
this
level
landing
here.
Sorry,
the
pictures
can't
really
showcase
it
too
well,
but.
G
P
We
were
trying
to
reduce
the
extent
that
the
curb
was
revealed
towards
the
top
of
the
ramp,
where
it
is
typically
the
tripping
hazard.
A
A
You
can
see
that
desire
line
running
right
through
there
as
well,
which
you
know
sort
of
suggests
that
this
is
in
fact
how
people
are
walking,
but
this
may
you
know
this
may
in
fact
be
an
improvement
on
the
overall
safety
of
this.
M
And
I
also
like
to
add,
if
I
made
that
we
are
rounding
out
the
corners,
so
that
assists
a
little
bit
with
the
tripping
hazards
and
we
also
looked
at
you
know
taking
away
this
whole
island.
But,
however,
due
to
drainage,
there's
we
have
to
leave
this
island
here,
got
it.
B
With
todd's
adjustment
of
the
the
reseed
and
loam
and
the
kind
of
raised
island
area,
is
there
any
way
that
you
can
like
add
a
sign
in
there
or
like
a
vertical
obstacle,
just
to
make
sure
that
it
is
really
clear
that
it's
not
a
walking
area.
M
Yes,
trying
to
think
of
what
kind
of
sign.
B
Yeah,
it's
like
a
vertical
element.
C
C
I
P
P
No,
no!
It's
fine!
I
was
just
thinking
like
the
oh.
The
overall
review
is
six
inches,
which
is
a
typical
curb
reveal
so
technically,
if
that
is
concrete,
and
it's
smooth
and
continuous,
why
can't
it
be
a
walking
space,
because
the
people
who
are
going
to
trip
over
our
lower
no
vision
would
not
be
reading
the
sign.
A
I
think
the
issue
is
just
that
it
is
in
the
path
of
travel
in
a
way
that
curbs
typically
are
not
right.
So
if
you're
sort
of
walking
straight
down
the
either
sidewalk,
you
would
find
yourself.
You
have
to
make
a
turn
in
order
to
avoid
that
curb
so
having
something
that
amplifies.
The
visual
significance
of
that
need
to
go
around
the
island
is
is
beneficial.
B
And
so
I
think
in
a
typical
scenario,
you
would
have
the
wing
there
right,
and
so
since
these,
since
these
ramps,
don't
have
wings
in
521
cmr,
it
does
say
if
you
have
like
a
landscaped
area
or
if
you
have,
if
you
have
a
vertical
element,
just
denoting
the
fact
that
it's
not
a
walking
area.
A
Is
two
weeks
enough
time
to
address
what
you've
heard
today.