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From YouTube: Bothell Planning Commission Meeting - October 19, 2022
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0:03:10 - Public Comments
0:04:00 - Approval of Minutes
0:05:00 - New Business
0:05:10 - Public Hearing: Canyon Park Transfer of Development Rights (continued)
0:09:00 - Public Hearing: Bike Plan (continued)
0:10:30 - Study Session - Downtown Transition Affordable Housing Overlay Amendments
1:48:10 - Unfinished Business
1:54:10 - Reports from Staff
1:57:35 - Reports from Members
1:57:45 - Items to Reports to Council
A
Before
we
move
on
to
the
agenda
items
I'd
like
to
acknowledge
our
hybrid
meeting
format,
city
of
Bothell
is
providing
an
option
to
attend
this
meeting,
either
in
perpet
in
person
or
remotely
via
Zoom
for
those
participating
via
Zoom.
The
chat
and
question
functions
are
not
available
to
ensure
compliance
with
the
open
public
meetings.
Act.
We
have
a
public
comment
agenda
item
at
the
beginning
of
the
meeting.
This
time
is
for
comments
on
issues
not
on
tonight's
agenda.
Please
limit
these
comments
to
three
minutes.
A
The
public
comment
and
hearing
testimony
will
be
allowed
both
in
person
and
Via
Zoom.
Those
wishing
to
comment
via
Zoom
are
asked
to
submit
or
not
we're
asked
to
submit
an
online
form
by
3
pm
today.
People
wishing
to
submit
written
comments
were
also
asked
to
submit
those
comments
by
3
pm.
Email
was
encouraged
as
well
and
will
be
acknowledged.
Those
in
attendance
may
also
make
comments
and
have
been
asked
to
indicate
the
desire
to
comment
on
sign-in
sheets,
the
Imagine,
Bothell
notice,
City
website
and
tonight's
agenda.
A
Video
of
this
meeting
will
be
streamed,
live
as
well
as
recorded
and
available
for
later
viewing
on
the
city's
YouTube
channel,
a
call-in
number
was
provided
on
the
meeting
agenda
for
members
of
the
public
who
wish
to
call
in
by
phone
and
listen
live
to
the
meeting
for
our
phone
and
callers
during
staff
presentations.
The
staff
will
make
every
effort
to
specify
which
materials
they
are
referencing,
so
everyone
can
follow
along
at
this
point,
we'll
take
a
moment
to
acknowledge
the
attendance
of
the
commissioners
good.
B
A
A
Lastly,
before
we
begin
I'd
like
to
reiterate
some
meeting
guidelines
for
all
meeting
attendees,
please
speak
clearly
and
pause,
frequently
state
your
name
each
time
before
speaking,
mute
your
microphone
when
not
speaking,
if
you
are
also
streaming,
the
live,
video
feed.
Please
turn
off
the
sound
as
there
is
a
delay
at
specific
breaks
in
the
presentation.
I
will
be
calling
on
members
who
wish
to
speak
or
ask
a
question
if
you
want
to
speak,
please
indicate
this
by
raising
your
hand
and
I
will
call
on
you
as
I
see
you.
A
A
The
city
has
accepted
visitor
comments
in
writing,
as
well
as
accepted
sign
up
sheets
for
those
who
wish
to
speak
at
tonight's
meeting.
Written
comments
submitted
to
staff
no
later
than
3
pm
today,
we're
forwarded
to
all
Commissioners
and
are
part
of
the
record,
and
we
have
not
received
any
correct.
That's
correct
this
time
is
for
items
not
on
tonight's
agenda.
C
A
A
D
So
if
there's
any
specific
questions
for
Sound
Transit
he's
able
to
answer
those,
we
just
wanted
to
give
you
a
more
thorough
update
on
where
we
are
in
the
program
and
where,
when
we
expect
to
get
things
to
Planning
Commission,
so
I
think
this
was
last
before
you
all
in
June
and,
as
you
all
probably
remember,
this
was
originally
being
handled
by
Nathan
when
he
left
for
otac
I
picked
that
up
and
with
Staffing
changes
and
all
of
that
somehow
it
just
didn't,
keep
getting
moving
forward.
So
we're
back
on
track.
D
D
F
A
A
Okay,
it's
been
moved
and
seconded
that
we
continue
the
hearing
to
November
16th
all
in
favor,
and
all
five
Commissioners
in
attendance
have
voted
in
favor
of
continuing
the
hearing
to
November
16th.
So
with
that,
we
will
close
the
hearing
on
transfer
of
development
rights
and
move
to
another,
very
quick
hearing
which
I
guess
is
why
we
have
the
study
session
format
oops
not
too
far.
So
with
that
I
will
open
the
hearing
on
the
bike
plan
and
Senior
planner
Boyd
to
speak
with
us
briefly
about
this.
C
A
A
A
C
Okay,
so
this
is
a
introductory
study
session
on
what
I
am
calling
the
downtown
transition,
affordable,
housing
overlay
amendments
or
the
dtaoh.
It's
not
an
acronym
that
rolls
off
your
tongue,
but
maybe
we
can
come
up
with
something
better
as
we
as
we
move
through
this.
The
purpose
tonight
is
to
introduce
two
private
applications,
one
from
Brett
Carlson
and
one
from
Dave
and
Connie
Drews.
C
They
are
on
either
end
of
the
downtown
transition,
affordable
housing
overlay,
the
Carlson
properties
that
they're
proposing
for
this.
These
planning
code
amendments
are
at
the
South
End
outlined
in
yellow
on
the
map
here.
The
the
property
that's
also
shaded,
yellow
is
one
that
belongs
to
the
Collins
family
and
they
may
or
may
lot
not
depending
on
how
the
how
this
progresses
continue
to
proceed.
C
And
so
we
we've
presented
in
the
analysis
and
we'll
ask
for
your
feedback
on
on
mechanisms
for
additional
height
and
and
accompanying
affordable
housing
Provisions,
which
could
be
voluntary
and
or
required
so
I'll
get
into
that
a
little
bit
later.
The
Carlson
application
also
requested
allowing
pedestrian
oriented
retail
uses
so
I'd,
like
some
discussion
and
Direction
on
that,
and
neither
application
addressed
the
special
setbacks,
both
building
setbacks
and
upper
level
height
setbacks.
C
A
little
bit
in
the
next
slide
here
so
Mr
Carlson
has
has
produced
this
map
of
all
of
the
properties
within
500
feet
of
the
overlay
and
together.
The
two
applicants
have
agreed
to
to
split
that,
basically
with
the
Drew's
covering
the
notification
to
the
North
End
and
and
the
and
Carlson
to
the
to
the
South
End
south
side
of
180th.
But
that
is
a
dividing
line.
C
There's
also
some
potential
we're
just
barely
getting
started
into
our
middle
housing,
implementation
and
Grant,
and
and
which
will
have
its
own
Outreach
on
housing
in
general
in
Bothell.
So
we
may
be
able
to
piggyback
on
that,
to
some
extent
to
get
get
the
word
out
even
more
broadly
I.
Don't
have
it
mapped
here,
but
some
of
the
proposed
amendments
could
apply
to
all
of
the
downtown
transition
district
and
possibly
even
the
other
transitional
districts.
C
The
the
two
Corridor
districts,
but
those
are
more
along
the
lines
of
typical
code
amendments
and
we
don't
feel
they
rise
to
the
need
of
requiring
a
notification
to
properties
within
500
feet
of
of
those
those
areas.
Although
we'd
welcome
any
feedback
from
the
commission
on
on
that
issue
as
well,
I'm
going
to
start
with
the
Carlson
application
or
Hall
Road
application,
this
was
the
first
one
we
received
on
October
28th
last
last
year
and
straight
out
of
their
application.
C
Just
today,
I
received
these
more
developed
site
plan.
Illustrations
so
the
proposal
is
to
develop
a
a
micro
housing
building
facility
on
the
east
side
of
Hall
Road
and
then
two
buildings
with
market
rate
Apartments
to
the
to
the
West
on
a
portion
of
the
property.
Let
me
see,
can
you
see
my
mouse?
Yes,
hopefully
you
can
see
it
on
the
air
too.
Somewhere
in
this
area.
C
Currently
is
a
house
that
has
been
it
has
done
the
historic
register,
but
it
has
been
determined
to
be
eligible
for
the
historic
register
and
the
proposal
that
you
see
here
would
move
that
house
to
the
North
West
corner
of
Hall,
Road
or
95th.
At
that
point,
Hall
Road
turns
into
95th
Avenue
Northeast,
East
and
Northeast.
C
C
C
The
Drew's
application
and
again
directly
out
of
their
application,
proposes
to
provide
a
voluntary
incentive
for
affordable
housing
on
a
site
that
is
currently
our
9600
and
just
outside
of
the
downtown
sub
area.
So
it
would
rezone
that
that
parcel
and
included
in
the
downtown
transition,
affordable
housing
overlay,
allow
provision
to
allow
or
add
a
provision
to
allow
incentives
for
development.
That
is
not
a
hundred
percent
affordable.
As
our
current
voluntary
Ascent
incentives
in
the
sr522
Corridor
District
allow
or
require,
and
to
allow.
C
Extra
height
with
with
some
conditions
and
Provisions
for
affordable
housing
as
a
voluntary
incentive,
part
of
the
voluntary
incentive,
the
application
included,
some
very
schematic
or
diagrammatic
site,
layouts
and
and
I
realize
this
is
too
small
to
read.
But
since
then
again,
oh
and
and
before
the
packet
went
down
out,
we
got
somewhat
more
developed
diagram
site
diagram,
building
diagram,
showing
a
preliminary
proposal.
And
again
this
is
on
the
North
West
corner
of
96th
and
thorsk.
C
C
C
So
there's
there's
some
work
to
to
be
done
to
work
to
be
worked
with
through
with
the
application
applicants
to
determine
exactly
what
what
that
would
entail.
But
it
would
appear
that
those
both
the
the
special
setback
and
the
special
upper
level
height
setback
would
cut
into
their
desired
building
envelope.
So
that's
something
that
they
would
like
Planning
Commission
to
consider.
C
They
also
have
just
recently
supplied
these
examples,
but
one
thing
one
of
the
staff
comments
back
to
them,
with
their
proposed
building
in
in
the
notch
in
the
hillside
was
the
was
having
units
that
would
look
directly
out
onto
a
retaining
wall
and-
and
these
are
on
the
left-
are
some
examples.
This
is
the
the
Villas
at
Beardsley,
with
similar
hype,
retaining
walls
opposite
the
exterior
building
unit
stock
apartment
units,
three
photographs
and
and
I
will
be
emailing.
C
All
of
this
to
you
tomorrow
and
on
the
right
are
some
examples
of
a
similar
type
special
needs,
housing,
affordable
housing
project
in
Lake,
City
and
some
that's
similar
to
what
they're
looking
to
to
develop
on
the
site
and
again
I'll.
Let
them
speak
to
these
their
their
proposals
in
a
minute
here,
I'm
almost
done
here.
So
these
are
the
special
setback
requirements
that
we
did,
that
we
discussed
with
the
GDC
overlay
not
too
long
ago.
C
So
the
the
special
setback,
the
25
foot
special
setback,
also
has
a
requirement
for
Landscaping
that
includes
a
mix
of
deciduous
and
and
coniferous
trees.
The
upper
level
setback
goes
65
feet
from
that
that
25
foot
setback.
So
it's
it's
really
a
for
the
upper
floors.
It's
a
nine
90
foot
setback
and
something
that
was
discussed
a
little
bit
in
the
GDC
overlay
amendments.
C
But
we
didn't
there
wasn't
a
any
action
to
to
change
those
at
that
and
then
the
other
illustration
is
is
from
that
which
really
isn't
relevant.
We
don't
have
this
this
condition
across
from
the
street
yeah.
So
it's
really
just
the
illustration
on
the
left
here,
that's
relevant
to
these
and
then
regarding
the
affordable
housing
Provisions.
There
are
a
couple
of
options
that
we
can
look
at
here.
C
The
the
Drew's
project
might
might
benefit
from
a
mandatory
program
or
it
might
be
a
better
fit
for
their
project,
whereas
the
Carlson
one
might
be
I'm.
Sorry,
the
Drew's
program,
they're
proposing
the
voluntary
incentive
and-
and
it
is
more
similar
to
the
the
the
project
that
that
was
the
focus
of
the
522
voluntary
incentives
incentives.
The
Carlson
application
may
make
more
sense
as
a
mandatory
program
that
would
apply
to
the
the
entire
disc.
They
both
would
be
options
for
the
entire
District.
C
C
It
was
prior
to
the
planning
commissions
work
on
the
recent
parking
reductions,
and
so
I
am
going
to
ask
the
applicants
to
to
do
some
more
announced
that
they've
done
some
some
analysis
of
how
those
Provisions
may
or
may
not
work
for
them
and
identify
any
additional
Provisions
that
might
be
needed
there
and
again
they.
It
could
be
linked
to
the
mandatory,
affordable
housing
program
or
to
a
voluntary
incentive.
C
It
doesn't
specify
whether
that
would
just
be
for
the
overlay
or
for
all
of
the
downtown
transition
District,
as
we've
been
looked
at
that,
and
we
see
that
there
may
be
an
opportunity
there
to
to
do
it
through
our
Corner
Store
retail
Provisions
in
that
apply
to
all
the
downtown
or
that
currently
apply
to
the
corridor
districts
in
downtown
not
to
downtown
transition.
But
we've
we've
received
applications
for
retail
uses
in
downtown
transition,
District,
particularly
that
that
we've
only
been
able
to
allow
as
a
continuation
of
of
a
pre-existing
retail
use.
C
Downtown
transition
doesn't
currently
allow
any
retail
use
and
The
Corner
Store
retail
is
designed
to
allow
small,
Corner
retail
ground
floor
corner
retail
spaces,
but
it
they're
limited
to
the
corners
of
larger
projects
and
a
few
of
the
applications
we've
received
are
for
buildings.
Existing
buildings
on
corners
of
blocks,
and
we
think
maybe
allowing
them
in
that
situation
would
be.
Would
would
be
one
way
to
to
address
the
the
need
here
or
the
desire
for
for
this
here.
C
Alternatively,
related
to
The
Carlson
application,
we
could
look
at
expanding
uses
allowed
with
historic
preservation
similar
to
what
we
currently
do
for
bed
and
breakfast
a
few
years
back.
Actually
before
my
time
here,
some
Provisions
were
made
to
allow
bed
and
breakfasts
in
historic
homes
in
in
residential
districts
where
they
wouldn't
be
allowed.
C
Otherwise,
so
I
think
that
is
the
last
one,
and
so
we're
looking
for
commission
feedback
and
I
didn't
obtain
any
clarification,
clarifying
questions
and
then
invite
the
applicants
to
come
up
and
and
make
their
own
statements.
And,
after
that,
some
discussion
and
other
comments
from
the
commission
and
just
for
context.
We're
proposing
to
bring
this
back
to
you
for
a
continued
study
session
or
if
you
feel
like
you're,
ready
for
a
public
hearing
potential
public
hearing
on
on
November
16th.
G
Thank
you,
senior
planner,
Boyd,
I
I,
but
I
want
to
get
clear
on
the
mandatory
versus
voluntary
I
deal
with
that
stuff.
In
my
work,
mandatory,
usually
to
me
means
it's
everywhere
and
if
you
go
over
a
certain
threshold,
you've
got
to
do
the
required,
affordable
housing
whatever
and
voluntaries.
Typically,
if
you
decide
to
go
the
extra
floor
or
whatever
you
know,
then
then
they
kick
in
you,
so
they
can
be
combined.
So
maybe
I'm,
not
understanding
mandatory,
usually
means
like
it's
either
kind
of
on
or
off.
C
G
E
C
The
yes
for
this
type
of
non-project,
this
is
considered
a
non-project
action,
since
it's
it's
not
they're,
not
to
the
point
of
actually
applying
for
permits
yeah
and
it
could
apply
to
the
the
entire
District.
So
we
typically
have
if
it's
been
a
tightly
somewhat
tightly
defined,
Geographic
dish
District,
we
have
used
the
500
foot
notification
buffer
that
we
use
for
for
project
applications
along
with
the
the
notification
board.
C
There
here,
I
think
it's
pretty
straightforward
that
it
would
I'm
not
really
saying
any
any
any
alternatives,
rather
than
applying
it
to
the
to
the
whole
transition
overlay,
especially
since
these
two
projects
bookend
either
end
of
it.
The
only
I
guess.
Maybe
the
only
caveat
is
any
provisions
that
would
apply
throughout
the
the
downtown
transition
District
or
even
to
the
other
transitional
districts.
C
E
C
Yeah
and
the
way
our
noticing
works,
we
we
send
the
notices
to
the
properties
on
on
record
and
then
rely
on
with
in
terms
of
apartment.
Buildings
rely
on
the
managers
of
those
buildings
on
getting
those
the
notice
to
to
their
tenants
and
they're
sent
to
I
can't
remember
exactly
how
we
were
at
owner
or
resident,
so
that
the
attempt
is
to
to
connect
with
even
absentee
Property
Owners.
So
they
know
about
changes
near
their
their
properties
if
they
don't
live
there,
and
also
the
residents
of
the
properties.
H
When
that's
really
the
primary
access
point
for
several
of
the
neighborhoods
there
for
people
to
walk
up
and
down
and
to
drive
up
and
down
so
I'm
just
curious
about
what
we
can
do
to
take
into
consideration
and
I'm.
Just
wondering
a
little
bit
about
how
you
know
if
they're
going
to
put
a
cafe
there,
how
is
that
going
to
be
accessed
from.
C
That's
that's
an
excellent
question
and
we
have
already
had
meetings
with
our
Public
Works
folks
about
about
that
whole
situation.
Hall
Road
is
a
very
unique
Road
in
part
because
there
is
no
right-of-way
there.
It's
there's
a
section
of
it
anyway,
that's
entirely
on
the
applicant's
property
and
technically
I.
Guess
it's
what
we
refer
to
as
a
prescriptive
right
away.
It's
been
a
it's
been
a
public
road
for
for
many
years,
so
it,
but
as
it
is
right
now,
there
is
no
no
public
right-of-way.
C
So
one
of
the
conditions
of
the
development
would
be
dedication
of
right
away
and
improvements,
including
and
and
the
discussion
was
given
the
constraints
there.
It's
on
also
on
a
state
steep
Hillside
that,
but
that
we
might
consider
allowing
them
to
develop
with
a
sidewalk
just
on
the
on
the
west
side,
which
is
what
what's
on
the
properties
to
the
north,
there's
a
sidewalk
on
the
west
side.
C
A
C
A
C
Also,
there
was
a
question
about
the
retail
use,
a
cafe
there
that
the
reason
one
reason
We've
brought
up
the
Corner
Store
retail
as
a
an
angle
to
to
to
do
this
is
well.
First
of
all,
we
really
don't
want
to
allow
pedestrian
oriented
retail
outright
in
the
downtown
transition
District.
We
want
to
concentrate
that
in
the
downtown
core
and
downtown
neighborhood
districts
to
create
that
create
that
critical
mass
The
Corner
Store
retail,
was
designed
to
provide
sort
of
convenient
retail
for
the
immediate
immediate
surroundings.
C
C
Okay,
seeing
none
I
would
invite
the
the
applicants
to
come
and
make
any
statement
they
well
and
I
started
with
the
Carlson
in
my
slideshow
and
I
can
pull
that
back
up,
but
I'm
Brett.
If
you'd
like
to
come
up
and
sit
to
my
left
and
use
this
microphone
and
I
can
pull
up
the
images
that
you
provided
as
well.
I
So
a
lot
of
the
end
direction
is
is
hinged
upon
what
what
happens
with
with
these
applications,
so
I'm
excited
to
work
with
the
city
to
figure
out.
What's
best
and
I
think
you
know
some
of
that
stuff
about
questions
about
all
Road
and
and
the
sensibility
of
of
having
some
retail
up.
There
is
I
find
very
interesting
and
I.
Think
these
three
Parcels
together
create
a
really
great
opportunity
to
fix
some
of
the
issue
with
Hall
Road.
If
we
can
get
it
all
to
work
right.
C
I
F
I
I
Cool
building
that
we're
excited
to
move
it
into
another
spot
there
and
we
sort
of
felt
that
the
you
know
the
cafe
style
approach
would
give
people
access
to
it.
I
mean
right
now,
I
think
everybody
that's
ever
driven
or
walked
down.
Hall
Road
has
seen
the
house
and
looked
at
it
and
thought
wow.
That's
pretty
cool
and
I
think
putting
it
to
a
more
prominent
position
and
then
giving
people
the
opportunity
to
to
be
inside.
It
would
be
yeah
a
win
for
everyone,
so
you
know
yeah!
I
E
I
It
is
in
I
mean
it's
it's.
It
currently
has
tenants.
So
it's
certainly
habitable
I
mean
it's.
It's
nice,
it's
yeah.
It
was
built
in
the
1880s,
so
it's
it's
old
in
every
way,
but
it's
and
and
they're
over
over
the
years
it's
been
renovated.
Many
times
I
mean
of
course,
I
think
when
it
was
originally
built.
I
There
was
no
water,
so
there
were
no
bathrooms
and
that
sort
of
thing
so
it's
you
know
the
interior
is
a
little
strange
from
a
modern
perspective
and
the
placement
of
bathrooms
and
that
sort
of
thing-
but
you
know
I
I,
would
say
the
the
exterior
is
probably
the
the
most
well
I
would
consider
to
be
historically
interesting
component
of
it.
The
interior
is
I
mean
it's.
It's
there's
some
interesting
stuff
in
there
also,
but
it's
I
think
in
seeing
some
of
the
photos.
H
Thank
you.
I
just
have
some
questions
about
your
plans
for
tree
preservation
in
that
area.
I
I
noticed
that
a
lot
of
it
is
just
brambles
and
stuff,
but
there
are
some
really
lovely
big,
maybe
Douglas
Firs
in
that
area.
Do
you
guys
have
plans
or
any
ideas
on
what
you're
going
to
do
to
preserve
some
of
those
those
big
trees.
I
Yeah
I
think
we
we
haven't
done
a
tree
study
yet,
but
and
so
I
don't
know
exactly
how
it
will
all
work,
but
the
it
there
there
are
basically
the
south
and
west,
almost
the
entire
property
line.
I.
Think
of
those.
No
that's
not
true,
mostly
the
South
property
line.
I
think
is,
is
fur
trees
and
then
the
east
or
I'm.
Sorry,
the
West
property
line
is
and
North
is
a
lot
of
Cottonwood,
which
is
a
little
rough.
I
It
like
it
likes
to
fall
down
a
lot,
so
I'm
not
sure
how
that
will
all
work.
There
is
a
there's.
A
fair
amount
of
there
are
some
large
fur
trees
that
are
the
Border
Hall
Road,
which
I
think
I
mean
they're
right
kind
of
at
the
edge
of
the
road
as
it
currently
sits.
So
I
would
imagine
that
those
would
be
tough
to
to
retain
those
given
what
will
likely
need
to
happen
with
all
Road
It's
Right
Where,
the
Sidewalk
will
have
to
go.
I
C
And
I'll
add,
of
course,
they
would
be
required
to
to
comply
with
our
tree
preservation,
tree
retention
requirements
and
and
when
it
comes
to
those
cottonwoods,
those
are
not
counted.
They're
considered
Hazard
trees.
So
we
we
currently
require
a
preservation
of
a
percentage
of
the
significant
trees
over
over
six
inch
diameter,
except
for
Alders
and
cottonwoods.
C
A
G
Thank
you
thanks
for
coming
in
as
someone
who
previous
Planning
Commission
was
on
landmarks
board.
I
know
you
don't
have
to
keep
things
like
that
cool
old
house.
What
I
appreciate
that
you're
taking
the
effort
to
say
we're
going
to
move
it,
we're
going
to
refurbish
it
turn
it
into
a
cafe.
I
love.
It
I
think
it's
a
pretty
strong
proposal
and
I.
Don't
have
any
real
misgivings
about
anything
I've
seen
so
far.
We
desperately
need
the
housing.
It's
close.
It's
walkable!
It's
near
Transit,
it's
near
downtown
heck.
It's
almost
overpark
to
me!
G
A
F
And
so
our
vision
is
to
partner
with
the
Bothell
City
Council
and
the
Planning
Commission,
to
make
a
positive
impact
here
in
Bothell
for
specifically
for
this
community.
But
we
also
because
we
know
that
there's
many
people
that
are
touched
by
individuals
with
intellectual
and
developmental
disabilities.
As
a
matter
of
fact,
I
have
been
involved
in
several
non-profits
from
the
time
she
was
very
young,
and
so
I
have
access
to
hundreds
of
families
that
have
individuals
with
disabilities
and
the
number
one
issue
that
comes
up
is
housing,
so
the
need
is
huge.
F
So
that's
why
we're
really
excited
about
being
able
to
meet
a
very
tangible
need
and,
in
addition
to
having
a
desire
to
provide
this
for
the
Bothell
Community,
we
also
want
it
to
be
inclusive,
because
we
know
that
individuals
with
disabilities
need
to
be
included
along
with
their
community.
So
it's
not
a
where
our
project
is
not
exclusive
towards
individuals
with
disabilities.
It's
inclusive
so
in
order
to
meet
several
areas
of
of
need.
F
So
one
of
the
reason
why
this
location
is
so
ideal
for
this
project
is
because
there's
some
key
factors
into
determining
where
a
ideal
location
living
location
is
for
individuals
that
fit
the
the
that
have
disabilities,
and
so
one
is
having
being
in
a
safe,
secure
place
and
freedom
from
crime
and
I
mean
Bothell
is
a
pretty
great
place
to
live.
I
have
to
say,
yeah
I
love
our
Bothell
police,
I,
love
living
in
this
area.
F
It
feels
like
a
safe
place
and
then
also
close
to
family
we've
been
in
Bothell,
like
we've
said
for
20
years,
so
we
want
a
place
close
and
close
to
work,
school
day,
services
and
other
services,
as
well
as
Transportation
work
activities.
Recreation.
That's
the
beauty
of
downtown
Bothell
right.
It's
like
you
can
live
there.
You
can
work
there.
You
can
recreate
there.
F
You,
you
know,
can
have
transportation,
so
the
location
is
idea,
and
then
most
of
you
may
know
about
the
Alyssa
Burnett
Center,
the
Alyssa
Burnett
Center,
is
a
very
important
part
of
our
community
has
become
a
great
part
of
our
community.
Our
daughter
just
recently
started
participating
in
it
and
the
Elizabeth
net
Center
about
a
year
and
a
half
ago
and
I
know
the
history
from
that
that
it
when
it
started
out,
there
was
maybe
a
dozen
families
now
there's
over
160
families
representative
represented
that
come
in
and
out
of
the
Alyssa
Burnett
Center.
F
Come
from
all
over,
but
can
you
imagine
how
ideal,
if
you
were
living
right
in
the
community
where
you
had
the
services
and
like
our
daughter,
she's
able
to
walk
from
our
family
home
to
the
Alyssa
Burnett
Center?
And
if
we
were
to
have
a
project
like
this,
where
she's
living
in
downtown?
That
would
continue.
She
would
be
able
to
walk
from
that
place
to
the
Alyssa
Burnett
Center.
So
that's
some
background
about
why
we're
excited
to
be
here
and
share
the
project.
J
J
Would
there
be
anything
you
would
do
differently,
so
they
built
a
70
unit
complex,
that
was
a
mixture
of
affordable
housing
for
idd
individuals,
low
income,
housing
and
also
market
rate.
So
those
three
components
in
about
70
units
and
there's
two
things
that
they
brought
up
is
one
they
had
wished
that
they
had
set
about
initially
having
people
like
teachers,
firefighters,
city
of
Bothell,
their
city,
employees,
because
they
wanted
to
create
more
of
a
community,
not
just
a
place
to
live,
but
a
place
to
have
a
community.
J
So
so
one
of
the
questions
that
comes
up
is
is
how
can
Bothell
partner
with
this
project
and
senior
planner
David
Boyd
listed
some
of
those
things,
but
I
just
wanted
to
lay
out
what
would
help
us
to
make
this
project
move
forward.
So,
first
of
all,
obviously
we
need
to
get
the
property
rezoned
and
second
of
all,
we
need
zoning
amendments
that
will
allow
us
to
have
a
higher
number
of
units
and
a
greater
impact
on
the
community
kind
of
on
a
cost
per
unit
basis.
J
J
Proceed
so
just
diving
a
little
bit
further
into
the
two
areas
where
we
would
like
help
with
this
privately
funded
and
financed
project.
First
of
all,
the
the
building
lots
are
are
currently
zoned.
Single
family
are
9600.,
so
the
first
request
is
to
rezone
the
property
as
part
of
the
downtown
transition.
District,
the
the
properties
are
in
a
multi-family
area
and
it
really
isn't
a
change
in
the
character
of
the
property
and
senior
planner
Boyd.
J
If
you,
if
you
could
just
pull
up
a
map
of
the
of
the
area,
so
we
could
show
them,
but
right
next
to
the
property
are
some
the
field
house
Town
Homes,
the
pop
it's
very
close
to
pop
keaney
field,
just
on
the
south
side,
The
Park,
Royal
Apartments,
which
is
King
County,
low-income
housing
and
the
landing
Town
Homes,
which
are
just
kind
of
in
in
the
front.
So
it's
it's
a
in
general.
It's
a
it's
a
very
developed
area.
J
The
only
access
to
this
property
is
from
downtown
the
the
neighbor
to
the
north,
where
they
had
originally
envisioned
potentially
having
access,
doesn't
want
to
provide
access
number
one
and
number
two.
That
Topography
is
very
difficult
and
challenging
so
and
actually
the
access
from
the
corner
of
96th
and
thorst
is
really
quite
good.
There's
about
a
40
foot
wide,
essentially
entrance
to
the
to
the
property
from
that
from
that
road,
so
the
so
so
that's
in
regards
to
the
rezoning.
J
The
second
point
that
I
want
to
dive
into
a
little
bit
is
the
cost
of
construction
in
our
area
is
very
high,
and
that
is
one
of
the
key
issues
and
problems
of
having
affordable
housing.
It's
quite
a
bit
easier
to
put
in
luxury
housing
like
the
the
field
house
or
The
Landing
Town
Homes.
Those
are
quite
a
bit
easier
to
build
because
the
price
point
is
quite
a
bit
higher.
The
lack
of
affordable
housing
is
directly
related
to
the
cost
of
construction,
a
lot
of
the
costs.
J
If
you
think
about
them,
building
materials
and
labor,
they
can
be
whittled
down
a
little
bit
through
a
competitive
bidding
process,
but
still
concrete
cost.
What
concrete
costs
would
cost?
What
would
cost
it's?
A
lot
of
these
costs
are
they're
they're,
just
costs
that
you
have
to
deal
with
so
by
by
having
the
city
of
Bothell,
provide
leeway
on
setbacks,
parking
and
Building
height
will
greatly
assist
in
our
desire
to
provide
some
privately
funded,
affordable
compact
units
in
the
downtown
neighborhood.
J
We
envisioned
that
the
the
the
the
units
to
be
about
300
to
450
square
feet
per
unit,
and
we
really
would
like
to
have
the
highest
number
of
full
rental
floors
possible
and
in
talking
with
developers,
so
we're
not
developers,
as
is
probably
obvious
by
now,
but
in
in
talking
with
them.
The
way
to
hold
down
costs
is
to
have
the
same
footprint
and
floor
plan
on
each
floor.
J
In
talking
with
a
couple
of
developers
of
substantial
number
of
units,
you
can
actually
build
affordable
housing
if
you're
very
thoughtful.
If
the
unit
sizes
are
smaller
and
if
the
construction
is
or
the
plans
are
very
thoughtful,
so
this
specific
zoning
request
that
we
have
to
achieve
this
goal
is
to
significantly
reduce
parking
requirements.
J
J
That
half
is
extremely
unlikely
to
have
vehicles.
So
that's
one
thing
that
makes
that
easy.
So,
like
our
daughter
and
a
lot
of
the
idd
community,
that
we
know
they
Reliance
on
public
transportation
and
walking-
and
this
is
an
incredible
location
for
that
good
public
transportation
is
readily
available.
It's
six
minutes
to
walk
to
Major
bus
routes,
12
minutes
to
the
future.
Light
rail
station
at
145th
and
I-5
very
easy
to
get
to
downtown
Bellevue,
also
easy
access
to
the
Burke
Gilman
Trail.
J
J
A
J
That
one
would
be
would
be
helpful,
I'll
I'll
keep
going
while
that's
coming
up.
The
the
other
comment
is:
is
there's
minimal
disruption
to
potential
future
homes
to
the
north?
There's
really
only
one
lot
to
the
north,
where
there
could
be
some
future
homes
built
and,
and
some
of
that
could
be
mitigated
through
the
use
of
landscaping.
There
still
would
be
a
retaining
wall,
but
the
retaining
wall.
Further
up
the
hillside,
where
the
the
the
existing
homes
are,
the
retaining
wall
would
actually
be
fairly
High.
J
The
required
building
setback
of
25
feet
to
the
north,
we're
asking
if
that
could
be
reduced
to
15
feet,
given
the
slope
of
the
area
and
the
placement
of
the
building
low
and
close
to
thorska
96,
no
disruption
to
views
or
sunlight
to
the
existing
single
family
homes
and
again
same
comment
would
be
there'd,
be
minimal
disruption
to
potential
future
homes.
Views
can
be
mitigated
with
Landscaping.
So
that's
a
little
bit
of
of
the
summary
and
I'll
have
Connie
close.
F
You
know
no
I
mean
it's
it's
a
it's
something
that
Bothell
doesn't
have
at
all
and
one
of
the
comments
that
I
think
it
actually
would
be
good.
If
you
read
that
comment
from
we
we
have,
we
know
somebody
who
works
in
this
who's,
a
developer
with
the
micro
apartments
and
this
whole
issue
of
affordability
and
amenities
and
parking,
and
all
these
things
right
go
ahead.
J
Yeah,
so
this
is
from
a
developer
of
over
600
units
with
several
hundred
units
in
process.
Right
now
so,
and
talking
about
the
smaller
units
we
get
a
mix
of
students,
early
professionals,
working
early
professionals,
working
service
jobs
and
older
folks
on
fixed
income.
We
find
the
most
important
thing
to
tenants
is
rent,
not
the
building
amenities,
not
parking
and
not
what
they
pay
on
a
square
foot
basis,
just
the
monthly
rent.
F
So,
and
that
really
applies
to
the
community,
that
we're
focused
on
really
having
a
place
that
they
can
call
home,
and
so
so,
basically,
we're
super
excited
about
this
project.
We're
excited
to
partner
with
Bothell,
to
bring
affordable
housing
to
to
downtown
Bothell,
and
especially
with
a
focus
on
individuals
with
intellectual
and
developmental
disabilities.
We
think
there's
a
great
need
and
I
think
it
was
it's
something
that
Bothell
needs,
so
we're
excited
to
work
together.
C
And
I've
got
the
I'm
sharing
the
the
SketchUp
models
that
were
referred
to
and
I'll
run
through
this.
So
so
this
one
is
from
the
south
east,
and
so
you
have
the
field
house
town
homes
in
on
the
right
side,
the
Park
Royal
Apartments
on
the
left
and
the
single
family
homes
on
the
hillside.
Up
above
in
this
View.
A
C
C
C
C
So
this
is
the
immediate
yeah
yeah,
so
there's
potential
for
additional
Lots
below
that
one.
There
may
be
potential
for
subdividing.
Some
of
these
other
they're,
mostly
large
large
Lots
in
the
media,
immediate
vicinity
and
the
Park
Royal
Apartments
that
are
owned
by
the
King
County
Housing
Authority,
their
property
extends
back
pretty
much
to
the
edge
of
this.
C
B
J
F
Talked
about
since
that
is
not
really
usable
for
our
purposes,
we've
also
just
kind
of
as
we
were
brainstorming
about
it.
You
know
developing
it
into
kind
of
a
natural
area
that
even
the
residents
could
enjoy
like
doing
stuff
to
make
it
accessible
for
residents
to
enjoy,
like
maybe
creating
a
trail
or
something
some
benches
through
there.
So.
G
Westerbeck
thanks
for
bringing
this
to
us,
I
bushwhacked
this,
because
I
looked
at
it
a
number
of
years
ago,
so
I
know
about
this
I
think
there's
a
really
good
use
of
the
site.
We
desperately
need
this
kind
of
housing,
I'm
very
much
a
proponent
of
this
kind
of
thing.
My
daughter
is
on
the
autism
spectrum
and
we
live
about
a
block
or
two
away
from
here.
G
So
I
could
see
her
being
here
someday
so
but
beyond
that,
I
think
it's
really
good
use
of
the
site
back
when
I
looked
at
it.
It
always
seemed
like
a
weird
piece
to
be
r9600.
So
when
we
saw
this
come
in
last
year,
I
thought
seemed
like
a
natural
fit
to
to
join
it
to
the
the
DN
zone
or
DT,
whatever
we're
adding
it
to
like
it's
DT,
of
course,
yeah
and
I
know
you're
talking
about
a
lot
of
you
know
variances
and
changes.
G
They
all
seem
rational
to
me
to
make
use
of
the
site
in
my
work.
I
know
how
important
it
is
to
get
a
certain
amount
of
density
on
a
site
to
make
it
pencil
out,
particularly
right
now
with
financing
and
the
cost
of
money
and
everything.
So
my
thoughts
not
lost
on
me,
and
this
is
so
near
services
and
everything
as
you
as
you
know,
very
well
and
explaining
your
presentation,
so
we
really
need
to
be
using
every
square
foot
of
land
super
efficiently
downtown.
G
H
J
So
in
talking
with
and
Gathering
more
information,
we
have
found
that
it
is
possible
to
make
it
100,
affordable,
and
so
our,
what
we
would
like
to
do
is
essentially
have
all
the
floor.
Floors
essentially
be
the
same
and
put
in
the
maximum
number
of
units
possible
and
have
the
rent
be
as
affordable
as
we
can
possibly
make
it.
B
H
K
F
It
yeah,
then
the
name
of
the
the
place
in
Maryland
is
Maine's.
Main
Street
connections
is
it
connections,
Main,
Street,
I.
Think
connections
is
the
non-profit
okay.
So
it's
Main
Street.
But
let
me
reiterate,
one
thing
is
the
main
street
that
we
did
visit
when
we
were
on
the
East
Coast.
It
is
they
they
do
not
have
the
micro
apartment
that
were
envisioning.
F
It's
that
what
we
learned
from
them
is
basically
the
the
idea
of
this
inclusive
environment
and
we've
learned
what
they
liked,
what
they
did
and
the
things
that
they
would
do
and
things
that
we
are
doing
differently
because
from
them,
but
as
far
as
locally
with
a
micro
apartment
that
we
saw.
That
was
a
great
example
for
us
is
right
here
locally
in
Lake
City
and
it's
called
Bode
and
it's
on
about
125th
and
Lake
City,
and
they
have
started
they.
They
don't
their.
F
Their
model
is
not
the
same
as
ours
in
the
sense
that
they
have
a
model
partnered
with
a
non-profit
for
individuals.
High
functioning
individuals
called
Thrive,
but
it's
a
very
expensive
program
that
also
includes
the
housing.
So
therefore,
it
then
takes
away
the
affordable
housing
fees,
but
they
have
the
micro
Apartments,
which
we
had
the
pictures
of
that
we
provided
and
that
helped
us
get
a
a
vision
of
what
could
be.
J
I
I
would
just
like
to
to
add
that,
so
this
is
the
the
pictures
on
the
right
are
of
the
boat,
which
is
163
units,
not
even
six
floors,
not
even
one
parking
spot,
which
is
I,
I
found
quite
fascinating
and
the
the
other
thing
that's
really
interesting
is
economically.
This
is
all
privately
financed
economically.
They
were
able
to
make
it
work
with
most
of
the
rents
being
985
and
1095.
J
Yeah,
so
they
were
at,
they
were
at
about
80
percent
occupancy
and
we
were
visiting
them
in
the
summer,
and
so
they
were
open
about
seven
months
at
that
point
in
time,
and
most
of
the
stats
that
we've
seen
is
these
smaller,
affordable
units
tend
to
have
occupancies
in
the
high
90th
percentile,
so
it
just
speaks
a
bit
to
the
to
the
need.
That's
out
there
that
you
know
for
a
lot
of
people.
A
lot
of
the
apartments
that
have
been
built
in
this
area
are
more
around.
J
E
This
project
really
speaks
to
all
the
values
that
are
stated
in
our
City's
comprehensive
plan
like
to
a
t,
we're
looking
for
affordable
places,
we're
looking
for
places
that
are
flexible
for
different
types
of
people
who
want
to
live
in
Bothell,
we're
looking
to
Leverage
The
Investments
that
we've
made
in
our
downtown
like
Transit.
We
have
the
library
we
have
all
these
services,
so
this
is
like
exactly
the
type
of
project
that
I
get
excited
about.
E
So
one
of
the
questions
that
I
have
is
about
the
site
plan,
so
it
showed
there's
a
steep
slope
and
then
a
relatively
flat
area
down
below,
and
so
there
are
some
like
critical
area,
probably
concerns
with
the
site
in
my
off
base
or
so
I'm
wondering,
if
perhaps
like
putting
in
a
retaining
wall.
I
know
that
the
city
has
some
pretty
restrictive
parameters
on
retaining
walls.
F
E
E
J
So
we
did
have
a
study
done,
and
there
are
some
areas
on
the
site
that
are
seasonal,
Wetlands
I
believe
is
what
they
what
they
called
and
the
the
biologists
said
it
was
the
lowest
grade
of
a
Waterway
coming
through
it.
It
dries
up
typically
around
August,
and
then
in
the
springtime,
obviously
is
is,
is
a
bit
more
on
the
Wet
Side.
So
we
have
done
some
initial
work
on
that.
E
That's
awesome
to
hear
yeah
I,
just
a
site
like
this
has
probably
got
some
complexity
to
it
and
it's
there's
no,
never
like
a
flat
lot
in
Bothell
that
is
easy
to
develop
and
so
I'm
encouraged
that
you've
done
some
research
into
that
and
and
are
looking
at
that
too
yeah.
That's
that's
kind
of
my
feedback
and
I
guess.
E
Maybe
I'd
like
to
get
more
information
about
a
sort
of
retaining
wall
rules
and
restrictions,
because
I
know
that
they've
been
changed
since
the
Beardsley
Villas
in,
like
the
Spirit
Ridge
development,
have
sort
of
changed
the
change,
the
rules
and
restrictions
on
that.
So
that's
something
in
the
future
that
I'd
like
the
city
to
provide
more
insight
on,
and
maybe
flexibility
or
you
know,
interpretation
of
the
code
as
it
pertains
to
you
know:
affordable
housing,
yeah.
Thank
you.
A
So
I'd
like
to
excuse
me
thank
you
for
bringing
this
I
think
you've
heard
there's
a
lot
of
interest
on
the
commission.
It
does.
We've
spent
a
lot
of
time
talking
about
affordable
housing
and
there
are
not
a
lot
of
Champions
here
for
more
parking.
So
talking
about
parking
is
not
a
problem
with
us
either
a
couple
of
questions.
So
how
does
the
inclusive
part
work?
Would
you
be
reserving
some
units
for
the
the
idd
community,
or
are
you
expecting
that
to
happen
organically.
F
That
is
a
really
good
question.
I
I
mean
I,
think
we're
open
to
as
we
get
further
down
this,
but
I
think
we
would
initially
reserve
some
and
for
and
we've
also
talked
about
potential
Partnerships
with
like
some
non-profits
that
might
be
able
to
provide
some
programming
as
well
and
still
keep
it
as
affordable
housing.
You
know,
so
we
would
reserve
some
for
that
and
what's
interesting
when
we
visited
this
Main
Street
one
they
talked
about
like
when,
when
their
place
first
opened
and
their
their
phone
was
ringing
off
the
hook.
F
You
know
it
was
like
the
demand
is
so
great
and
I
guarantee
you
by
the
time
we
get
to
that
point.
The
word
will
have
been
out
and
then
some
so
I
think
the
demand
will
be
pretty
great.
But
then
again,
like
I've,
said
before
it's
not
for
everyone,
because
you
know
within
the
world
of
individuals
with
disabilities,
there's
all
levels
of
needed
care,
and
so
it's
not
going
to
be
for
everyone,
but
it
is
going
to
provide
a
need.
I,
don't
know
if
that
answered
it.
A
I
have
a
niece
with
with
special
needs
and
she's
in
her
mid-20s
now,
and
she
had
a
real
challenge.
Finding
a
place
so
I
I
understand
the
challenge,
that's
here
and
glad
you're
looking
to
address
it
with
this
sort
of
development,
while
we're
not
big
parking.
Advocates
I'd
urge
you
to
keep
in
mind
that
caregivers
would
need
to
come
and
go
so
you'd
need
to
reserve
some
parking
for
that,
and
I
also
share
carsten's
thoughts
about
the
site.
A
It
seemed
a
little
damp
as
far
as
I
could
get
in
now
and
it
hasn't
rained
for
a
long
time.
So
you
do
have
some
wetlands
and
I
would
expect.
The
biologist
was
absolutely
right.
They're,
not
high
value,
they're
isolated,
they
don't
connect
anything,
but
you
will
have
to
deal
with
that
so
and
as
far
as
the
the
setback
on
the
Upper
Floor
with
the
topography
change
like
this,
it
doesn't
seem
to
me
that
that
is
necessary
and
entertaining
a
variance,
for
that
would
would
certainly
be
something
I'd
be
interested
in
looking
at.
A
If
you
look
at
where
the
actual
height
from
the
top
of
the
building
to
where
the
resident
is,
you
wouldn't
require
the
setback,
if
it
were
only
that
difference
from
the
grade,
so
I
I
would
hope
we
would
be
able
to
find
a
way
to
address
that
challenge
so
other
than
that.
I
want
to
thank
both
of
the
applicants
for
coming
here.
A
These
are
the
sorts
of
projects
we've
been
talking
about
for
quite
some
time
and
are
very
interested
in
doing
what
we
can
to
facilitate
this
development,
consistent
with
the
code
and
consistent
with
the
our
city
plans.
So
we
look
forward
to
hearing
more
any
other
comments
from
anyone.
Mr
westerbeck
I.
G
Know
I
was
pretty
brief
of
my
comments,
but
I
want
to
reiterate.
As
chair
Kiernan
said,
I
think
the
upper
setback
in
this
case
is
not
necessary.
I'm,
not
a
big
fan
of
it.
In
other
deliberations,
we've
had
either
I
think
it's
kind
of
Overkill
and
I
think
the
15-foot
setback
on
the
north
is
just
fine
as
well.
So
those
parts
of
the
package
are,
of
course
I
already
I
said
I
liked
it,
but
and
just
a
little
bit
on
Mr
Carlson's,
also
looping
back
to
that.
G
You
know
we
say
we
want
this.
The
city
wants
to
concentrate
commercial
and
Retail
in
the
downtown
core
and
downtown
neighborhood,
and
but
we
require
switch
parking
that
it's
hard
to
open
those
businesses.
They
really
need
to
be
like
an
Old
Town
Main
Street,
where
you
can
put
them
in
without
a
huge
parking
lot
or
else
we're
going
to
get.
You
know
like
Taco
Time
next
to
Burger
King.
A
C
Have
a
couple
of
questions
for
just
to
pick
up
on
the
latest
comment
about
retails,
so
I'd
like
to
get
a
sense
from
more
of
the
board
about
whether
that's
a
direction.
You
would
like
us
to
follow
and
come
back
to
you
with
some
potential
code
amendments
and
whether
those
should
apply
in
all
of
the
transitional
districts.
H
E
Yeah
I'll
just
say,
I'm
really
interested
in
pursuing
that
I.
Don't
know
if
that's
necessarily
going
to
be
the
fastest
solution
for
this
project
to
proceed
on,
but
as
like
a
a
vision
for
our
land
use
being
more
flexible,
and
especially,
the
commission
has
historically
been
interested
in
pursuing
affordable
commercial
space
too,
and
corner
stores,
historic
corner
stores,
and
you
know,
walk
up
coffee
shops
or
whatever
those
types
of
places
when
they
don't
have
a
lot
of
parking
mandates
and
setbacks.
E
C
Yeah
I
can
see
through
these
amendments
to
to
address
the
downtown
transitional
districts,
I
think
going
city-wide.
It
would
go
beyond
the
scope
so,
but
I
can
come
back
with
some
some
a
little
more
analysis
on
on
that
and
how
it
could
be
done
and
as
far
as
how
to
do
it
quicker
the
only
thing
quicker
than
doing
it
as
part
of
these
code.
Amendments
at
this
point
would
be
through
some
sort
of
code,
interpretation
or
or
variance.
We,
we
really
don't
encourage
variances,
it's
a
very
high
bar
and
and
I.
Don't
think.
D
Just
wanted
to
clarify
to
make
sure
I'm
hearing
right
so
I
think
I've
heard
two.
Two
approaches
approaching
these
uses
through
the
comprehensive
plan
is
a
more
holistic
look
at
downtown
or
the
transitional
Zone
through
this
this
project,
and
so
just
to
clarify?
Is
there
a
preference
of
the
Planning
Commission
or
or
how?
How
are
you
wanting
us
to
move
forward
with
those
approaches.
G
I
brought
it
up
so
I'll
at
least
speak
to
that
first
of
all,
I
would
want
to
slow
down
these
Pro
proposals.
So
when
I
say
that
I'm
saying
like
long
term,
we
maybe
we
use
a
Planning
Commission
and
you
was
with
you
as
staff
in
if
it's
convenient
and
as
we're
looking
at
the
rewrite
of
the
the
updates
to
the
comp
plan.
We
start
thinking
about
that
in
the
next
year
or
so
as
a
vision.
G
If
that
fits
into
the
docket
I,
don't
want
to
do
anything
that
would
throw
a
monkey
wrench
into
these.
So
right
now.
My
only
point
is
I'm
I'm
for
the
cafe
and
the
idea
of
the
corner
stores,
and
if
right
now,
it's
only
Community
corner
stores.
That's
fine
because
we're
introducing
something
that
I
think
we
probably
never
should
have
taken
away
80
years
ago
and
allow
people
the
freedom
to
use
their
property.
G
That
way,
it's
hard
enough
to
start
a
quarter
store
I
mean
people
hardly
do
them
anymore,
because
they
just
don't
make
much
sense.
So
we
don't
need
to
throw
extra
roadblocks
in
so
for
now,
just
keeping
the
scope,
simple,
keeping
it
in
DT
is
fine,
I'm,
just
kind
of
speaking
to
a
larger
reevaluation
of
of
how
we
how
we
shift
the
Paradigm
in
the
city
of
Bothell.
When
we
have
time
staff
I,
know
we're
short,
staffed,
short
budgeted
so,
but.
D
G
D
A
Thanks
and
I
saw
a
lot
of
nodding
heads
as
commissioner
westerbeck
was
talking
and
I'd
Echo.
What
both
commissioner
westerbeck
and
commissioner
kurd
said,
I
think
we're
interested
in
moving
this
forward.
We'd
love
to
see
it
on
a
broader
scale,
but
we
would
hate
to
delay
this
project
to
get
the
the
grander
vision.
So
you
know
what
we
can
do
on
this
scale
to
keep
this
proposal.
Moving
is
great
8
and
then
moving
it
onto
the
docket.
H
And
make
developing
easier,
but
I'm
particularly
concerned
about
Hall
Road,
and
how
that
will
how
that
development
specifically
is
going
to
affect
traffic
walking
pedestrian
traffic
in
that
area.
So
so,
yes,
I'm,
open
I'd
love
to
find
out
more
details
about
it,
with
sort
of
the
caveat
with
I,
have
serious
reservations
and
interest
in
what
that
would
mean
specifically
for
the
hall
road
development
right
there.
H
E
I
will
say:
I
I'm,
keenly
interested
in
reducing
that
upper
level
setback
and
especially
on
this,
the
reducing
the
north
setback
to
15
feet
seems
very
reasonable.
I,
don't
know
if
that
has
changed
it
all
because
of
the
kind
of
this
setback,
flexibility
that
we've
already
been
talking
about
with
middle
housing
as
well,
but
yeah
I'm
in
favor
of
looking
at
some
flexible
options.
A
C
That
leads
me
to
think
that
maybe
introducing
some
exceptions
for
situations
where
the
Topography
is
is
similar
to
this
or
and
and
or
just
looking
at
some
scaling.
It
back
I
think
if
we
reduce
the
special
setbacks
that
it
would
either
need
to
be
conditional
for
a
project,
that's
taking
advantage
of
the
voluntary
incentives
potentially
or
some
other
conditions,
or
it
would
and
or
would
apply
throughout
the
then,
because
right
now
those
special
setbacks
are
apply
to
all
the
these
transitional
districts.
So
so
we'll
we'll.
A
C
From
you,
but
I
I
will
say
that,
regarding
the
parking
reductions,
I
I've
already
talked
to
both
applicants
about
sharpening
their
pencils
and
looking
at
what
the
what
the
has
been
recommended
today
to
date
and
whether
that's
gonna
work
for
their
projects
or
whether
something
beyond
that
is
needed.
And
again,
it's
probably
going
to
be
easier
to
go
beyond
that
with
a
voluntary
incentive
type
situation.
A
D
B
D
A
It's
not
common
okay,
but
it
happens
and,
as
a
matter
of
fact,
I
was
going
to
throw
something
out
here,
which
I'm
not
exactly
sure
is
unfinished
business,
but
I'm
not
sure
where
else.
To
put
it,
when
I
took
my
little
walk
to
the
Drew
property,
I
went
by
the
pop
and
there
is
that
bit
of
public
space.
That
is
up.
A
You
know
we
did
a
lot
of
work
on
public
space,
I
think
predating
most
of
the
Commissioners
here,
and
they
do
have
this
open
public
space
up
there
very
nice
spot,
not
very
public
and
I
know.
There
was
some
discussion
pre-covered
about
there
being
some
events
up
there
or
something
to
draw
people
in
there
and
again.
I
walked
up
there
and
I
looked,
and
somebody
looked
at
me.
You
know
what
are
you?
C
C
Little
more
them
more
aware
that
it
is
public
space.
We
also
required
them
to
put
signage
in
indicating
that
it
was
public
and
and
I
occasionally
go
and
have
a
lunch
up
there
just
to
just
to
establish
that
so
and
then
kovid
came
along,
so
we
we
let
them
defer
that
and
I
just
recently
did
get
back
to
them
and
said
I
think
it's
time
to.
In
fact,
we
probably
should
have
done
it
at
the
start
of
the
summer.
C
I
suggested
that
maybe
even
in
the
fall
they
could
have
some
terrorist
tailgate
parties
or
something
and
so
associated
with
some
game
night,
but
and
they
said
they
they
would
start
working
on
that.
So
if
it
doesn't
happen,
this
fall
we'll
we'll
follow
up
with
them
next
summer
and
make
sure
that
happens.
C
C
It's
the
development
called
the
pop,
which
is
the
south
end
of
Pop
keaney
and
on
its
South
face.
It
faces
thorst
Street
about
two
thirds
of
the
way
towards
the
the
West.
End
is
a
Stairway
that
leads
up
to
a
upper
level
Courtyard
and
that's
part
of
their
public
space,
their
required
public
space.
We
we
allowed
them
to,
and
it's
accessible
through
that
stairway
and
also
for
it's
people
with
disabilities
and
go
through
the
lobby
and
up
the
elevator
to
it.
C
A
G
Yet
that
public,
open
space
I
think
is
one
of
the
more
successful
ones
in
town.
Just
because
there's
always
people
flowing
through
it
and
you
know
I
know
we're
one
of
only
a
handful
of
people
who
use
it,
but
I'm
not
I,
found
out
from
other
people.
Commissioner
alderks.
She
and
her
kids
go
play.
Bocce
ball
there,
so
I
think
it's
getting
more
of
a
workout
than
the
the
pops
second
floor,
Courtyard
which
I
visited,
and
it
was
pretty
quiet.
D
D
It
is
his
second
day
which,
on
my
first
day,
I
attended
a
whole
Planning
Commission
meeting,
so
we'll
no
one
told
me
I
could
leave
so
that
was
so.
So
we
let
we
let
him
know
he
can
just
come,
introduce
himself
and
decide
what
what
he
wants
to
do
after
that.
So
we
are
inviting
him
to
that
other
than
that.
We
are
just.
D
D
D
H
D
We
we
have
a
consultant,
not
a
diversity,
equity
and
inclusion
coordinator.
So
there's
not
necessarily
someone
at
the
city
who
has
that
direct
connection
as
her
recruiting
a
renter
I.
Think
I
can
talk
to
the
city
manager's
office
and
see
if
they
have
any
specific
venues
to
to
try
to
recruit
from
that
that
group,
because
that
would
be
a
good
voice,
especially
moving
forward
with
the
planning
of
the
play
with
the
comprehensive
plan.