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From YouTube: Bothell Planning Commission Meeting - September 20, 2023
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0:00:05 - Call to Order
0:05:05 - Public Comments
0:13:00 - Approval of Minutes
0:14:00 - Study Session: 2024 Imagine Bothell Comprehensive Plan Periodic Update: Land Use, Housing, and Economic Development
1:19:45 - Reports from Staff
1:19:55 - Reports from Members
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A
Before
we
move
on
to
the
agenda
items
I'd
like
to
acknowledge
our
hybrid
meeting
format,
the
city
of
Bothell
is
providing
an
option
to
attend
this
meeting,
either
in
person
or
remotely
via
Zoom
for
those
participating
via
Zoom.
The
chat
and
question
functions
are
not
available
to
ensure
compliance
with
the
open
public
meetings.
Act.
A
A
Please
note
that
the
city
of
Bothell
does
not
tolerate
verbal
harassment.
Please
remember
this
during
your
comments.
Public
comment
and
hearing
testimony
will
be
allowed,
though
there
is
not
a
hearing
tonight,
both
in
person
and
Via
Zoom.
Those
wishing
to
comment
via
Zoom
were
asked
to
submit
an
online
form
by
3
pm.
Today.
A
A
A
A
call-in
number
was
provided
on
the
meeting
agenda
for
members
of
the
public
who
wish
to
call
in
by
phone
and
listen
live
to
the
meeting
for
our
phone
and
callers
during
staff.
Presentations
staff
will
make
every
effort
to
specify
which
meetings
they
are
referencing
so
that
everyone
can
follow
along.
At
this
point,
we'll
take
a
moment
to
acknowledge
the
attendance
of
the
commissioners
commissioner
Jones
here,
commissioner
westerbeck
here,
commissioner
kurd,
is
absent
and
excused
commissioner
Robson.
B
C
A
Lastly,
before
we
begin
I'd
like
to
reiterate
some
meeting
guidelines
for
all
meeting
attendees,
please
speak
clearly
and
pause,
frequently
state
your
name
each
time
before
speaking
mute
your
microphone
when
not
speaking,
if
you
are
also
streaming
the
live,
video
feed.
Please
turn
the
sound
off
as
there
is
a
delay
before
we
begin.
I
would
like
to
remind
the
commenters
that,
while
you
may
speak
to
whatever
topic
you
choose,
we
ask
that
if
you
are
a
council
candidate,
you
do
not
use
this
time
to
speak
to
your
own
campaign.
A
Each
person
is
solely
responsible
for
their
comments,
but
speaking
about
your
campaign
could
be
a
violation
of
campaign
Finance
laws
which
the
public
disclosure
commission
would
determine
for
Commissioners
at
specific
breaks
in
the
presentation
I'll
be
calling
on
members
who
wish
to
speak
or
ask
a
question
if
you
want
to
speak,
please
indicate
this
by
raising
your
hand
and
I
will
call
on
you
as
I
see
you.
This
will
help
avoid
the
problem
of
having
two
people
speak
at
the
same
time.
A
A
First
item
on
the
agenda
is
public
comment.
The
city
has
accepted
visitor
comment
in
writing,
as
well
as
accepted
sign
up
treats
for
those
who
wish
to
speak
at
tonight's
meeting.
Those
speaking
will
have
three
minutes.
Written
comments
submitted
to
staff
no
later
than
3
pm
today
were
forwarded
to
all
Commissioners
and
are
part
of
the
record,
and
we
did
receive
10
comments
today.
This
time
is
for
items
not
on
tonight's
agenda
and
at
the
last
meeting
there
was
a
question
raised
about
the
three-minute
time
limit
for
speakers.
A
While
the
commission's
bylaws
are
silent
on
this
matter,
we
rely
on
the
city,
Bothell
City
council's
protocols,
chapter
8.07,
paragraph
I,
States
speakers
will
limit
their
remarks
to
three
minutes.
Unless
a
longer
period
is
permitted
by
Council,
no
speaker
May
convey
or
donate
his
or
her
time
for
speaking
to
another
speaker.
So
three
minutes,
please
are
there
any
so
moving
on?
Do
we
have
any
indicated
public
comments?
Anyone
we
should
speak,
please
step
up
and
turn
on
the
microphone.
You'll
have
three
minutes.
D
D
Where
did
it
break
through
Ride
Along,
the
527
522
Highway
route
and
it
cut
this
Gap
so
Norway
Hill
is
currently
zoned
RC
West
Hill
you're,
proposing
in
your
option
one
disown
it
residential
medium
density.
When
the
geology
tells
us
they
are
the
same,
and
if
you
just
examine
the
map,
you'll
see
that
we
are
a
more
important
residential
conservation
area.
A
B
Good
evening,
Anna
guard
165
to
4
104th
Avenue
Northeast,
both
GMA
and
bothell's.
Current
imagine,
bossel
comprehensive
plan
under
housing.
Elements
includes
language
that
ensures
that
the
vitality
and
character
of
established
residential
neighborhoods
to
implement
this.
These
requirements
both
of
GMA
and
what
is
in
our
current
plan,
additional
alternatives.
B
B
B
B
Finally,
bothell's
permitted
Trends
under
the
growth
targets
states
that
the
trends
over
the
last
12
years
have
accommodated
more
structures
in
the
low
income
bans
the
capacity
that
the
city
will
need
to
meet
housing
targets
across
all
income
ranges.
You're
three
minutes
are
up.
Please
thank
you,
I'm
completing
my
sentence.
Okay,
is
not
yet
clear.
E
A
A
Been
moved
and
seconded
that
we
approved
the
July
19th
minutes
any
discussion
around
those
minutes,
y'all
a
minute
and
look
at
our
Commissioners,
seeing
no
indication
all
in
favor
of
approval
of
the
July
19th
minutes.
Please
indicate
saying
aye
hi
hi
hi
and
we
have
unanimous
consent
on
that.
So
the
July
19th
minutes
are
approved.
That
brings
us
to
the
principal
item
on
tonight's
agenda.
It
is
the
24
2024
imagine
Bothell
comprehensive,
planned
periodic
update
land
use,
housing
and
economic
development
and
Senior
planner
man
I
believe
you'll
lead
us
on
this
one.
A
H
So,
first
off
just
again
reminder
of
the
timeline
we're
inching
towards
the
end
of
the
third
quarter
of
this
year,
so
the
next
quarter
is
going
to
be
really
getting
into
the
meat
and
potatoes
of
goals
and
policies
and
working
on
actual
development
of
the
plan
components
we
are
still
in
scoping.
The
scoping
comment
period
is
running
through
the
27th.
H
So
upcoming
engagement,
the
next
big
one
is
our
comp
plan,
open
house
for
a
day
or
a
lifetime.
Tour
I'll
just
be
reiterating
that
as
much
as
I
can
just
just
make
sure
we
can
get
as
much
folks
to
come
as
possible.
Again
it's
going
to
be
at
Skyview
middle
school
in
the
Commons
from
5
to
8
30..
You
can
come
and
go
as
you,
please,
it'll
be
open
for
whenever
you
like
to
be
there,
we'll
have
child
care
available.
I
think
there's
going
to
be
some
food
opportunities
as
well.
Some
games
for
kids.
H
So
if
you
have
kids
and
you
want
to
come,
don't
feel
free,
don't
feel
like
I
have
to
leave
them
at
home
or
get
a
nanny
or
anything
we're
also
going
to
be
doing
some
tabling
at
the
trick-or-treat
on
Main
Street.
This
is
really
just
going
to
be
a
us
being
available
to
provide
information
and
answer
questions
just
have
a
presence
and
we're
also
going
to
be
continuing
to
participate
at
the
Civic
Saturday
sessions
at
the
King
County
Library
in
downtown
Bothell
on
the
18th
of
November.
It
will
be
a
Civic
spaces
session.
H
I
do
want
to
reiterate.
We
are
not
the
entirety
of
these
events,
we're
going
to
be
there
kind
of
for
the
last
10
minutes
to
give
a
little
presentation
and
then
stay
for
Q
a
just
be
available
for
folks
to
talk
to.
So
if
you
want
to
come
just
towards
the
end
and
talk
to
us,
that's
great.
We
also
encourage
you
to
come
for
the
whole
session,
the
really
great
informative
sessions
on
civics
and
then
in
January
on
the
20th.
H
H
H
The
following
night
on
the
15th
coming
back
to
council
to
talk
about
sub-areas
cultural
resources
and
Urban
Design
on
the
21st
of
November.
We're
tentatively
have
scheduled
a
council
session
on
Transportation
on
December
5th,
but
that
is
not
100
confirmed
and
then
rounding
out
the
rest
of
the
year.
Coming
back
to
Planning
Commission
on
the
6th
to
talk
about
Capital
facilities,
Human
Services
and
utilities,
and
then
we'll
also
do
a
presentation
on
the
how
the
open
house
went
and
then
having
that
same
session
with
Council
on
the
12th.
H
Just
to
remind
everyone
of
the
discussions
we've
already
have.
Jesse
is
going
to
spend
some
time
talking
us
through
the
land
use
map,
Alternatives
and
then
I'll
wrap
it
up
with
sort
of
next
steps
on
this
topic
and
then
upcoming
sort
of
schedule.
So
as
well
so
again,
no
specific
action
tonight,
we're
really
just
looking
for
feedback
on
the
land
use.
Alternatives
I
do
want
to
reiterate
these
are
kind
of
early
drafts.
We
don't
have
a
lot
of
specifics,
yet
we're
just
getting
in
that
kind
of
policy
level.
H
So
past
housing
Trends
and
growth
targets,
so
this
is
showing
structures
permitted
versus
housing
units
permitted
over
the
last
12
years,
so
from
2011
to
2023
and
as
you
can
see,
we've
permitted
a
lot
of
single-family
structures
but
in
terms
of
the
actual
units
being
permitted,
those
are
mostly
being
captured
in
larger
structures.
So
five
units
or
more,
which
typically
are
your
larger
apartment
buildings.
H
And
then
growth
Target,
so
ofm
uses
a
few
different
things
to
project
growth,
one
being
the
birth
rate,
the
mortality
rate
and
the
net
migration
in
the
state.
Those
targets
are
assigned
for
a
20-year
planning
window,
and
then
they
look
at
creating
methodology
for
signing
that
within
the
county
and
that
that
comes
down
to
ofm
providing
targets
for
the
counties
they
get
arranged.
There's
a
low
medium
and
a
high
Target.
H
Most
counties
pick
the
medium
Target
just
because
that
seems
to
be
the
most
realistic
and
then
the
counties
work
within
work
within
themselves
with
local
jurisdictions,
to
figure
out
the
best
way
to
assign
those
targets
to
their
lists
of
cities
and
towns.
Those
are
put
into
groupings.
We
are
a
core
City.
The
next
grouping
above
us
are
metropolitan
cities,
and
then
they
go
down
from
there
just
based
on
population
size.
H
H
And
then
HB
1220,
this
kind
of
threw
a
wrench
in
a
lot
of
the
work
we
were
doing
with
the
targets
we'd
been
assigned
an
overall
Target
for
population
growth.
Hb
1220
is
what
is
creating
the
us
to
go,
do
what's
called
a
housing
need
assessment
so,
basically
based
on
our
Target
and
the
existing
kind
of
mix
of
affordable
housing.
How
much
do
we
need
to
provide
at
different
levels
of
affordability?
I
know
this
chart
is
a
little
confusing
it's
a
little
wonky,
but
basically
this
guidance
is
telling
us.
H
H
So
like
we
see
a
lot
of
in
downtown
that
don't
trigger
a
different
building
type
that
can
increase
the
cost
of
that
structure,
and
so
that's
what
kind
of
makes
it
easier
for
those
to
be
counted
as
something
that
could
potentially
be
subsidized.
So
for
us
that
means
looking
at
okay.
So
when
we
look
at
a
Zone
category
and
the
type
of
housing
that
could
be
permitted
there,
we
see
there's
a
column
for
with
no
subsidies
or
incentives.
H
What
would
we
a
type
generally
assume
the
cost
of
that
housing
to
be
based
on
area
median
income
and
for
the
most
part
most
of
those
are
going
to
be
higher
to
moderate
for
the
ones
that
can
reasonably
be
made
more
affordable
through
subsidies
and
incentives?
What's
the
level
of
affordability
we
think
we
can
get?
Those
to
this
is
an
example
guidance,
so
we're
going
to
have
to
do
as
part
of
our
housing
needs
assessment
show
Department
of
Commerce
based
on
our
analysis.
H
H
This
is
a
very
simple
chart,
thankfully,
compared
to
the
housing
one
job
targets.
These
just
are
what
our
job
targets
are.
I
know
we're
at
a
deficit
in
both
counties.
So
that's
something
we
also
have
to
think
about
when
we're
looking
at
our
land
use
designations
and
then
as
well,
when
we're
looking
at
our
zoning
map
and
zoning
regulations
as
well.
H
These
are
housing
unit
targets.
We
finally
got
confirmed
targets
from
King
County,
the
gmpc
voted
on
these.
As
you
can
see,
we
do
have
quite
a
large
number
in
those
lower
Ami
in
sections,
and
that's
so
that
this
is
what
we're
working
with
at
this
point.
I
do
want
to
note
the
emergency
housing
requirements
don't
count
towards
the
total
units.
H
So
what
are
some
of
the
takeaways
that
we
can
think
about
from
our
past
Trends?
So,
as
I
noted
past,
permitting
Trends
over
the
12
years
have
been
predominantly
single
family,
but
those
have
been
contributing
significantly
fewer
total
housing
units
and
based
on
the
Department
of
Commerce
guidance.
We
know
that
those
aren't
contributing
to
those
lower
Ami
bands.
H
So
it's
likely
that,
because
of
these
past
Trends,
that's
kind
of
contributed
to
why
our
growth
targets
for
housing
needs
tend
to
skew
towards
some
of
those
lower
bands,
and
also
we've
noticed
that
through
those
charts,
there
aren't
a
lot
of
units
in
that
sort
of
mid-range
housing
level.
From
your
duplexes
up
to
fourplexes.
H
So
this
is
just
a
little
bit
of
information
trying
to
figure
out.
You
know
what
happens
if
we're
not
compliant.
There
is
the
possibility
of
sanctions,
including
monetary
sanctions.
That's
one
component
of
it.
I
spent
some
time
talking
to
our
finance
department,
just
to
get
an
idea
of
what
that
really
means
and
what
some
of
those
funding
sources
could
mean
for
all
of
the
budget
that
we
have
So
based
on
the
list
of
potential
sanctions
in
state
law
or
finance
department.
H
Let
me
know
that
represented
about
30
percent
of
our
general
fund
and
about
15
percent,
each
of
our
Capital
Improvement
fund
and
our
street
fund.
A
couple
of
the
other
things
that
would
potentially
happen.
I
wouldn't
be
able
to
apply
for
any
state
grant
funding
and
the
majority
of
our
permits
permit
applications
wouldn't
be
able
to
best
the
only
things
you
could
really
take
in
permits
for
are
boundary
line,
adjustments
and
some
remodeling
and
building
single-family
homes
by
use
of
the
owner
and
being
built
by
the
owner,
so
kind
of
limited.
H
And
then
shifting
gears
just
a
little
bit
before
we
get
into
the
land
use
maps
I
wanted
to
speak
a
little
bit
by
Economic
Development,
since
it's
very
much
related
to
land
use
and
housing.
I
try
to
group
the
topics
together
for
our
sessions
in
a
way
that
kind
of
makes
sense
and
how
they
sort
of
work
together.
H
I
wanted
to
talk
a
little
bit
about
some
employment
trends.
These
Graphics
were
put
together
by
the
Burke
staff.
We
have
some
more
too,
but
these
are
the
ones.
I
felt
made
a
lot
of
sense
to
talk
about
tonight,
so
we
have
seen
some
good
job
growth
I
was
able
to
find
the
comparative
average
growth
for
King
County,
but
not
Snohomish,
County
and
I
think
it
was
1.8
percent
in
King
County.
H
and
I
have
a
chart
here
showing
that
you
can
see
within
some
of
our
nearby
jurisdictions.
We
do
have
a
really
good
mix
of
different
types
of
employment
sectors.
I
think
Woodenville
is
the
only
one
that
has
a
bit
more
on
the
construction
side,
so
we're
doing
we're
doing
pretty
well
and
that's
consistent
with
what
I've
heard
from
our
economic
development
manager.
H
We
particularly
have
a
really
strong
manufacturing
sector
that
has
seen
us
pretty
well
through
the
covid
period
as
well
foreign
and
then
some
areas
of
focus
in
terms
of
when
we're
thinking
about
updates
to
the
goals
and
policies
of
the
economic
development
plan,
the
chart
on
the
left
or
the
picture
on
the
left.
That's
from
our
current
plan.
That's
showing
different
centers.
We
have
in
the
city
both
our
regional
growth
Center.
We
have
what
we
call
neighborhood
and
activity
centers.
H
This
might
be
a
great
existing
map
to
kind
of
Leverage
and
build
off
of
when
we're
thinking
about
neighborhood
centers
we're
also
paying
really
close
attention
to
the
requirements
for
our
candidate
county-wide
growth
centers
we
have
two
one
is
downtown
and
the
other
one
is
the
north
half
of
Country
Village,
just
the
Snohomish
County
portion.
So
we
want
to
make
sure
that
those
we
can
meet
those
minimum
requirements
to
become
county-wide
growth,
centers.
That
is
a
new
designation,
we're
making
sure
we're
reflecting
some
of
the
best
practices
that
we
took
out
of
urban
three.
H
H
Part
of
this
is
also
in
our
implementation
plan,
so
making
that
making
sure
we
can
make
it
functional
and
we're
doing
what
we
set
out
to
do.
A
component
of
that
is
the
economic
Vitality
plan
that
came
out
of
the
council
Vision,
so
we
are
working
closely
again
with
our
economic
development
manager,
Jeannie
Ash
who's
working
on
that
project,
both
to
make
sure
that
it's
consistent
with
the
element,
but
also
to
make
sure
we're
not
duplicating
efforts
when
it
comes
to
the
analysis
and
data
work
that
we're
doing.
H
We
also
want
to
make
sure
we're
in
integrating
climate
change
and
equity
in
all
areas
of
the
plan,
including
Economic,
Development
and
then
one
other
topic
that
has
come
up
is
potential
changes
to
home
occupation
regulations.
We
do
have
a
lot
of
Home
occupations
in
the
city
and
we've
had
interest
for
home
occupations
that
don't
currently
wouldn't
currently
be
permitted.
So
that
is
another
topic
we're
starting
to
kind
of
think
through
and
see.
If
maybe
there's
some
ways,
we
could
look
at
that
once
we
get
to
the
regulatory
component
of
the
work.
H
And
then
the
last
section
before
we
get
into
the
maps
is
just
a
reiteration
of
some
of
the
best
practice
we've
talked
about
and
the
big
moves
we've
been
discussing
as
well.
So
again,
this
is
not
a
new
slide
for
you
all
talking
about.
You
know
reflecting
HB,
11,
10
and
1337
in
terms
of
a
transition
away
from
single
family,
acknowledging
that
change
in
legislation
and
integrating
that
into
the
plan,
as
well
as
our
targets,
making
sure
that
sustainable
infrastructure
and
land
use
is
taken
into
account.
H
We're
meeting
our
future
development
needs,
we're
thinking
about
the
costs
and
impacts
and
minimization
of
those
and
climate
resilience,
streamlining
the
process
and
the
land
use
map
and
creating
more
of
a
logical
relationship
between
the
land
use
and
the
zoning.
So
everything
kind
of
flows
together
well,
and
it
makes
sense
as
two
pieces
that
work
together
again
looking
at
our
centers
in
sub-areas
making
sure
we're,
taking
into
account
equity
and
quality
of
life
through
the
Improvement
of
amenity
resources
and
considering
the
full
range
of
different
Community
needs
and
then
Environmental
Quality.
H
This
is
some
of
the
feedback
that
we
got
at
our
last
session.
Talking
about
land
use.
There
was
a
discussion
about
making
sure
we
were
emphasizing
pluralism
in
the
map
and
how
we
look
at
the
edges
and
how
we
relate
to
adjacent
jurisdictions
within
the
region,
making
sure
we're,
including
all
public
facilities.
H
We
went
back
through
with
a
fine
tooth
comb
and
made
sure
we
got
all
the
facilities
on
there
all
the
schools
again
in
Ephesus
and
equity
and
transitions,
including
streets
on
the
map,
in
order
to
make
sure
you
can
figure
out
where
you
are
within
it,
and
we
did
add
that
in
partnering
with
Transit
we've
been
continuing
discussions
with
our
Transit
agencies.
We
have
a
Transit
Agency
focus
group,
we're
working
with
and
making
sure
that
we're
understanding
their
future
needs
where
they're
putting
future
infrastructure.
H
H
Land
use
map
draft
against
our
current
zoning
map,
and
then
this
is
a
section
of
the
crosswalk
between
the
land
uses
and
the
corresponding
zones.
We
have
a
lot
of
zones
just
because
of
the
way
our
zoning
works.
We
have
a
list
of
zones
and
then
we
have
combinations
of
zones
that
create
new
zones.
So
these
were
the
ones
with
the
shortest
lists
that
I
could
fit
on
a
slide.
I
Okay,
thank
you.
Sorry,
I
haven't
used
one
of
these
microphones
before
so
Jesse
Hartman
I'm,
with
brick,
Consulting
and
as
Kirsten
mentioned
I'm
kind
of
the
consultant
PM
side
for
this
I'm
here
to
talk
to
you
about
the
future
land
use
Alternatives
that
we
are
kind
of
beginning
to
develop,
to
to
look
at
as
we
work
on
the
Plan
update.
I
So
part
of
the
comprehensive
Plan
update
is
that
we
will
do
an
environmental
impact
statement
consistent
with
the
cepa
requirements
and
and
that
we
look
at
at
least
usually
three
alternatives
for
how
reasonable
alternatives
for
how
growth
may
occur
in
the
city
of
Bothell.
So
they
need
to
represent
a
range
of
reasonable
options
for
achieving
the
comp
plan
objectives
and
the
no
action
alternative
is
required
under
sepa
to
be
the
Benchmark
for
comparison
with
the
kind
of
action.
Alternatives
assumes
no
policy
or
land
use
changes.
I
Beyond
separating
the
future
land
use
map
and
the
zoning
map
and
like
Kirsten,
was
mentioning
mentioning
the
the
land
use.
Designations
have
kind
of
a
corresponding
set
of
implementing
zones
within
each
of
the
designations,
so
We've
aggregated
some
land
use
designations
on
this
future
land
use
map
under
the
no
action
that
are
consistent
with
those
existing
underlying
zones
but
and
then
we've
also
clearly
designated
the
parks
and
public
uses
on
here,
but
because
there
are
no
policy
or
land
use
changes.
I
I
It
also
assumes
the
city
will
grow
consistent
with
the
growth
targets,
but
only
up
to
available
buildable
land
capacity.
So,
as
part
of
this
process,
we
reconciled
the
buildable
lands
analysis
that
King,
County
and
Snohomish
County
had
done
for
Bothell
in
2021.
They
use
kind
of
different
methodologies,
and
so
we
got
ourselves
to
a
place
where
the
methodology
was
consistent
and
we
updated
it
with
some
of
the
newer
assessor
information
from
the
latter
half
of
2022
and
early
2023
recognizing.
I
I
There's
still
there's
enough
capacity
overall
for
housing,
but
not
at
those
lower
income,
bans,
80
and
less
of
area
median
income,
and
then
there
isn't
enough
job
capacity
in
either
County
specific,
with
the
biggest
deficit
in
Snohomish
County,
and
that
is
very
similar
to
what
the
King
County
and
Snohomish
County
buildable
lands.
Work
also
showed
us
and
then,
if
we
want
to
go
to
the
other
one.
I
So
we
the
action
Alternatives
both
use
the
same
future
land
use
map,
but
they
aim
to
meet
kind
of
housing
targets
by
income
band
and
then
the
increased
employment
opportunities
in
two
different
ways.
So
the
underlying
zoning
would
have
varying
regulations
to
vary
the
type
pattern
and
density
of
growth
to
meet
those
targets.
So
both
of
these
assume
some
again
the
growth
consistent
with
the
targets.
I
But
now
we
would
be
increasing
capacity
so
that
you
could
actually
meet
those
those
targets
and
they
would
both
redesignate
some
targeted
areas
from
residential
low
to
medium
and
that's
kind
of
where
additional
services
are
currently
available
or
planned
to
be
available.
You
can
see
some
of
that
in
the
center
of
the
map
here,
where
it's
gone
from
the
kind
of
the
yellow
to
the
orange.
I
It's
also
west
of
downtown
and
kind
of
West
of
Red
Barn,
and
a
lot
of
that
is
is
aligned
with
where
more
Transit
is
expected
to
be
in
the
future
and
then
under
either
of
the
action
Alternatives.
So
this
one
we're
looking
at
here
and
then
the
next
slide
as
well.
The
residential
densities
would
increase
across
the
city
with
the
new
metal
housing
from
HB
1110
and
the
adus
in
HB
1337.
I
So
you
would
see
some
density
increases
everywhere,
the
difference
being
that
in
this
neighborhoods
based
alternative,
the
additional
housing
capacity
you
need
to
create,
for
especially
across
the
income
bands,
would
be
spread
more
through
the
residential
areas
by
allowing
more
housing
types
and
increasing
the
density
a
bit
in
those
areas.
So
you'd
see
some
smaller
scale
multi-family
in
the
residential
medium.
I
The
residential
low
would
mostly
see
the
density
increases
as
a
result
of
HB
1110,
and
so
essentially,
you
would
see
more
growth
with
middle
housing
and
infill
and
the
kind
of
orange
and
yellow
areas
and
then
in
the
center's
alternative,
which
is
the
next
slide
again
same
map.
But
instead
of
and
it
would,
it
would
still
be
doing
the
assuming
growth
consistent
with
the
targets.
Redesignating,
those
targeted
areas
from
low
to
medium
and
in
seeing
that
slight
increase
in
density.
I
But
the
additional
housing
capacity
would
be
focused
in
your
centers
and
corridors
with
some
increased
height
and
far
allowances.
So
that
would
mean
that
you'd
essentially
see
taller
and
denser
kind
of
multi-family
and
mixed
use.
Buildings
in
the
existing
mixed
use
areas
so
downtown
Canyon,
Park,
North,
Creek
and
Red
Barn,
which
are
essentially
you'd,
see
it
in
the
purple
and
downtown
kind
of
portions
of
this
map.
H
Yeah,
yes,
so
that
is
the
end
of
the
presentation
component
of
tonight,
so
we're
here
to
just
chat
through
this
again.
This
is
sort
of
the
higher
level
view
of
that.
We
have
these
two
potential
methodologies
it
could
be.
It
could
be
that
we
end
up
with
a
mix
of
both.
It
could
be
really
like
one
of
the
other
and
then
at
that
point,
once
we're
kind
of
get
a
sense
of
what
direction
to
go.
That's
when
we
can
start
taking
a
look
at
the
regulatory
component
and
the
zones
themselves
to
see
all
right.
A
G
G
My
understanding
is
that
there's
a
target
of
low-income
meat
units
that
need
to
be
built
I'm,
not
quite
sure
what
the
timeline
is
on
this,
but
in
the
same
instance,
where
we're
talking
about
HB
1220,
requiring
these
to
be
built
at
some
time
or
another
they're,
also
acknowledging
in
their
presentation
and
their
guidance
that
it
is
really
hard
to
build
these
without
subsidies.
So
his
boss
will
get
a
pass
on
that
building
these.
What
does
Bothell
have
to
do
in
order
to
show
that
it's
trying
to
meet
this.
H
I
I
I
don't
think
this
city
is
responsible
for
actually
building
the
units.
You
are
responsible
for
showing
you
have
capacity
to
accommodate
those
units
within
the
zones
that
you
have
another
piece
of
that
is
often
we
are,
and
we've
been
given
the
okay
on
this
to
kind
of
look
at
the
zero
to
eighty
percent
Ami
as
a
group
and
provide
capacity
for
units
that
meet
all
of
those
that
that
kind
of
combined
need,
because
the
recognition
is
that
a
lot
of
the
lower
income
ones
require
subsidies.
A
J
Require
all
cities
to
report
on
implementation
at
a
five-year
period?
Okay,
so
it
would
not
surprise
me
at
all
at
that
five-year
point
if
there
isn't
significant
progress
being
made
amongst
all
cities
that
have
to
address
this
requirement,
there
would
be
potentially
a
reckoning
at
the
state
level
and
some
resources
potentially
identified,
but
I
think
that
five-year
check-in
is
going
to
be
really
essential.
G
Okay,
thank
you
for
this
information.
This
provides
a
lot
of
good
background
and
I.
Think
I
I
see
the
answer.
I
think
my
point
is
that
even
if
we
build
those
multi-family
we're
still
not
needing
or
even
if
we
provide
the
capacity
for
the
multi-family,
we're
still
not
meeting
the
goal,
because
it's
shown
in
the
presentation
that
multi-family
even
is
not
going
to
meet
the
under
80
percent,
it's
still
in
the
80
to
120
percent.
So
even
if
Bothell
does
this
and
provides
the
capacity,
are
we
still
falling
short.
I
That's
where
some
of
the
the
other
kind
of
lower
rise
multi-family
comes
in.
Instead
of
just
the
the
larger
units,
there
are
more
housing
types
to
meet,
those
those
needs,
and
that's
part
of
kind
of
our
next
step
is,
is
matching
up
which
unit
or
which
types
of
housing
based
on
the
Commerce
guidance
would
meet
those
needs.
And
then
what
zones
would
allow
those
types
of
units
to
be
built.
K
Thank
you
so
much
for
the
presentation.
I
I
always
like
when,
when
we
show
alternatives
to
have
a
really
as
complete
a
listing
of
pros
and
cons,
benefits
and
costs,
sort
of
in
terms
of
that,
because
it
really
helps
us
see
what
we're
getting.
No
one
alternative
is
going
to
be
perfect
right,
so
we're
going
to
gain
some
things,
we're
going
to
lose
some
things,
and
then
it
comes
down
to
values,
and
so,
when
I
think
about
alternative
number,
two
in
the
neighborhoods,
the
question
I'm
wondering
and
I'm
I
think
I'm.
K
Reading
this,
but
I
want
to
confirm
is
that
alternative
to
might
might
lead
to
more
home
ownership
versus
rental
housing
and
I
asked
and
the
reason
I'm
asking
a
question
is
because
we
hear
a
lot
from
the
community
about
the
types
of
housing
that
that's
going
into.
Buffalo
is
primarily
attracting
renters
when
folks
are
interested
in
knowing
well.
K
How
could
we?
How
could
we
help
folks
afford
to
own
a
home?
Have
a
family
do
those
types
of
things.
Of
course
you
could
do
that
in
apartments
as
well.
It
reflects
it
reflects
a
certain
value
right,
but
I'm
trying
to
understand
if
there's
a
difference
between
the
Alternatives
second
piece
of
this
in
terms
of
a
difference
between
the
Alternatives.
Well,
one
alternative
potentially
lead
to
more
car
traffic,
those
types
of
things
versus
more
public
transit
or
another
one
lead
to
more
public
transit
use.
I
Yeah
Kirsten
feel
free
to
jump
in
if
you
want
to,
but
the
the
Eis
will
definitely
look
at
all
of
that.
We
have
a
transportation
section,
there's
a
actually
a
separate
Transportation
consultant
who's
working
on
the
element
and
then
also
that
section
of
the
Eis
traffic
is
always
one
piece
of.
However,
you
decide
to
direct
growth
traffic
there's,
there's
impacts
on
traffic,
the
your
other
one
with
the
alt
two
may
lead
to
more
home
ownership
than
rental
housing
that
that
may
be
a
piece
of
this.
I
We
also
will
look
at
housing
in
the
Eis
and
so
it'll
evaluate
each
of
the
Alternatives
separately,
also
looking
at
maybe
impacts
that
are
common
to
all
of
the
Alternatives,
so
growth
is
going
to
happen
under
all
some.
Some
impacts
are
kind
of
will
happen
regardless,
just
because
there
is
growth
and
some
of
them
you'll
see
potentially
more.
I
You
know
if
you
have
more
kind
of
town,
homes
or
or
smaller
housing
types
that
are
available
for
home
ownership
versus
if
you're,
looking
at
mostly
apartment
buildings,
that
that
does
have
a
difference
in
the
the
opportunities
that
are
available.
So
that
would
be
part
of
the
analysis
as
well,
so
that
is
like
the
kind
of
cost
benefit.
Comparison
is
part
of
the
Eis
which
we
do
in
conjunction
with
the
comp
plan
elements.
H
And
one
of
the
reasons
that
we
got
to
the
maps
we
have
now
when
it
comes
to
transit,
for
example,
we
know
that
Community
Transit
when
they
bring
the
Swift
line
on
online
they're
planning
to
move
their
current
route
off
of
Bothell
Everett
Highway,
either
down
I,
think
101st
or
104th.
So
we
know
that
Central
Corridor
of
the
city
is
going
to
have
a
transit
route
of
some
kind,
probably
a
local
access
route.
So
we
knew
that
that
was
going
to
make
some
sense.
There's
also
parks
along
that
Corridor.
H
There's
also
a
couple
schools,
then
there's
also
a
manufactured
home
park
there
as
well.
So
that
made
a
lot
of
sense
in
terms
of
looking
at
the
high
level
when
it
comes
to
I
think
thinking
about
transit
in
a
more
holistic
way.
We
know
that
there's
thresholds
for
when
there's
enough
density
to
build
a
new
line.
I
could
imagine
if
we
look
at
more
of
the
neighborhood
alternative.
If
there's
more
density
throughout
the
city,
maybe
there
might
be
more
interns
for
Transit,
we're
not
sure
so.
H
K
I
I
appreciate
I,
think
I
think
the
public
will
want
to
know
some
of
these
things
and
I
realize
you
can't
do
the
full
analysis,
but
I
think
even
high
levels
start
to
think
about.
Well,
these
are
the
things
that
might
happen
here
or
might
have
narrow
we're
going
to
look
here.
We're
going
to
look
there,
so
I
would
encourage
you
to
to
think
about
that
in
terms
of
the
presentation
to
council.
L
I
am
leaning
towards
the
neighborhood
alternative,
because
I
am
I
like
the
idea
of
more
balanced
growth,
as
opposed
to
creating,
like
you
know,
like
the
other
side
of
the
tracks.
Kind
of
feel
I
feel
like
more
integrated
population
approach
is
good.
One
thing
I'm
wondering
about
just
as
I
look
at
the
the
key
here
is
how-
and
maybe
this
is
just
totally
out
of
left
field.
How
are
these
plans
different
in
meeting
our
employment
targets?
Will
that
make
a
difference
as
we
shape
density?
I
So
both
of
the
action
Alternatives
would
be
able
to
meet
the
employment
targets.
Some
of
that
is
around
kind
of
assuming
that
you
would
be
able
to
develop
kind
of
Canyon
Park
at
the
more
intensive
employment
uses
that
it's
planned
for
we
so
some
of
it
it
is
kind
of
built
into
both
of
the
Alternatives
there,
I
will
say
in
terms
of
the
employment
there's,
not
a
huge
difference
in
how
they
approach
getting
to
those
targets.
It
is
very
much
in
your
kind
of
existing
employment
areas.
I
There
is,
there
are
some
accommodations
to
allow
kind
of
smaller
scale,
neighborhood
retail
in
some
of
the
residential
areas
without
spot
designating
those.
So
it
would
need
to
be
within
the
regulations
to
allow
that
flexibility,
because
you
don't
we
don't
want
to
like
pinpoint
a
corner
and
say
this
is
where
a
store
is
going
to
go
in
if
somebody
doesn't
want
to
put
a
store
on
their
home,
but
it
is
that
that
would
also
be
included
in
both
of
the
alternatives.
L
F
I've
got
various
comments.
This
is
great
stuff
I'm,
happy
to
see
that
we're
going
to
land
use
with
zoning
model
at
first
it
was
someone
who
used
the
codes,
it's
a
little
confusing
to
me,
because
I'm
so
used
to
them
being
locked
together,
but
I
like
the
fact
that
it
allows
this
flexibility,
I
mean
for
Millennia
cities
change,
they
social,
cultural,
economic,
plagues,
all
kinds
of
things
happen,
and
we
have
to
sometimes
be
nimble.
If
we're
locked
into
really
rigid
zoning
that
doesn't
allow
some
some
adaptation
adaptation,
it's
to
our
detriment.
F
F
You
know
node,
like
Urban
three
talked
about
you
know
around
the
Fred
Meyer
or
Canyon
Park
or
Thrasher's
corner
or
something,
but
speaking
of
the
Alternatives
I'm
kind
of
jumping
around
here
people
were
leaning
towards
the
neighborhood
I,
like
the
neighborhood
option.
A
lot,
though,
the
thing
that
concerns
me
about
the
number
three
the
centers
is,
you
know,
there's
a
lot
of
focus,
rightly
so,
on
putting
people
who
have
to
be
in
larger
apartment,
buildings
and
stuff
like
that
on
arterials.
F
We
all
know
about
the
noise
and
the
pollution
and
stuff
and
they've
got.
We've
got
data
on
how
more
kids
have
asthma
and
everything
else.
You
know,
we've
already
got
that
in
Bothell,
that's
somewhat
inevitable,
because
that's
often
where
the
land
is
that
you
can
do
that
with.
But
you
know
people
who
can't
afford
a
more
expensive
place.
They
deserve
to
live
on
a
quiet,
leafy
Street
too,
and
we've
got
a
lot
of
those
in
Bothell
that
you
know
we're
allowing
people
to.
Finally,
with
the
HB
1110
build
smaller
multi-family
on
those.
F
So
one
of
the
things
that
to
me
that
goes
along
with
that
which
you
just
touched
on,
is
re-legalizing
the
idea
again.
Urban
three
calls
these
little
nodes
right:
commercial
nodes.
We
had
them
everywhere,
100
years
ago,
they're
all
over
dotting,
all
over
Seattle,
most
of
us
travel
to
places
where
they've
got
all
these
wonderful
little.
You
know
Seattle
calls
them
Urban
Villages
they'll.
F
Obviously
those
have
become
problematic
because
we
shoved
all
the
commercial
there
and
then
you
know
prevented
single
family
neighborhoods
from
doing
their
their
due
to
to
build
multi-family
and
stuff
like
that.
But
I
like
the
idea
of
spreading
it
around
and
then
I
would
love
a
mechanism
for
us
in
the
future.
Bothell
to
say,
like
you
said,
when
I
can
designate
your
corner
as
the
place,
the
store
has
to
go
because
then
someone
feels
on
the
spot.
F
But
if
someone
wants
to
do
the
salon,
the
the
Yonder
cider,
we
all
know
about
Yonder
cider
in
North,
Seattle,
the
corner
store
or
whatever
allowing
those.
You
know.
Spokane
had
a
program
where
they
started
like
six
or
seven
years
ago,
allowing
people
to
re-legalize
the
little
commercial
buildings
that
were
sprinkled
throughout
their
neighborhoods
and
they
were
all
made
illegal,
and
so
they
they
have
a
program
where
you
can
really
re-legalize
those,
and
so
bakeries
have
gone
in,
and
coffee
shops
and
stuff.
F
You
know
quiet
hours
and
stuff
like
that,
but
there's
all
kinds
of
stuff
that's
compatible
with
with
that,
and
that
would
also
allow
people
to
you
know,
provided
someone
felt
like
you
know,
building
a
little
commercial
Zone
over
a
couple
decades.
I,
don't
think
it's
about
their
car
a
little
bit.
They
can
re-bike,
they
can
walk
they.
Don't
they
can
use
Transit,
they
don't
drive
so
much
so
I.
F
Just
really
think
we
need
to
to
allow
the
city
beyond
our
little
commercial,
our
commercial
hubs
right
now
to
adapt
over
time
to
what
people
want
their
city
and
their
neighborhood
to
be,
and
we
don't
really
don't
have
that
flexibility
right
now,
most
of
America
doesn't
so,
let's,
let's
do
that?
Let's,
let's
start
looking
at
what
that
would
take
again,
Urban
three
call
them
nodes,
I,
think
commercial
nodes,
and
then
let
me
see
the
ownership
thing
really
struck
too.
F
So
I
think
that's
another
thing
where
you
know
we're
starting
to
get
there
with
the
middle
housing.
Hopefully
we'll
get
that
passed.
Maybe
this
fall
our
more
robust,
Bothell
version,
but
you
know
the
more.
We
can
allow
people
to
leverage
their
land
to
put
more
units
on
a
piece
of
property.
You
know
the
more
we're
empowering
people
to
build
homes
that
can
be
sold
for
a
lower
price.
I
mean
it's
just
basic
math
best
Geometry.
F
You
can't
get
around
geometry,
so
the
more
we
can
do
that
and
again
off
of
the
main
arterials
and
stuff.
Just
you
know
very
egalitarian.
Let
it
happen
all
over
the
place.
I
think
those
are
the
most.
The
points
I
want
to
make
I
know
I
jumped
all
over
the
place,
but
just
really
being
kind
of
getting
out
of
the
way
a
little
bit.
F
Let
people
develop
the
city,
I,
don't
think
we're
going
to
be
I
know
this
scarce
a
lot
of
people,
I
hear
it
sometimes,
but
I,
don't
think
this
is
going
to
happen
fast.
Most
people
aren't
going
to
turn
their
house
into
a
bodega,
but
maybe
a
few
will
taco
trucks
in
every
corner
I'm.
All
for
that
but
I
know
not.
A
Good
few
of
commissioner
Gustafson
redhead.
Okay,
a
few
observations
looking
at
the
structures
permitted
versus
housing
units
perimeter
is
very
interesting.
How
disproportionately
High
the
number
well
I,
don't
know
disproportionately,
but
how
high
the
number
of
one
unit
permits
are.
Yet
that's
a
really
small
percentage
of
the
housing
that's
been
provided.
It's
one
thing
that
leaps
out.
The
other
thing
it
leaps
out
is.
We
talked
a
lot
about
adus
and
we've
taken
them.
Actions
permitting
adus
and
I.
A
Don't
see
a
skyrocketing
of
them
in
the
past
year
or
so
I
mean
maybe
early
to
see
that,
but,
as
Mr
westerbeck
said,
permitting
these
things
doesn't
mean
they'll
be
just
a
sudden
flood
of
change,
so
it
it
has
been
gradual
and
I
would
expect
that
to
continue
question.
You
talk
about
emergency
housing.
How
is
that
handled
right
now?
Is
there
emergency
housing
provided
in
the
city
right
now.
H
H
A
A
Okay,
good
I
think
we
do
need
to
care
for
those
folks
and
provide
the
capacity
to
care
for
those
folks,
otherwise,
I
think
it's
good
work.
I
think
you
know,
as
you
indicated,
is
early.
There
are
questions,
but
that
would
be
expected
at
this
point
in
the
process.
So
I
think
what
we've
seen
is
is
very
interesting
and
promising.
H
H
A
H
Yeah
and
if
I
remember
correctly,
because
I
have
seen
Adam
Weinstein
from
Kirkland
present
on
their
Adu
programs
at
the
planning
conferences
in
the
past,
I
think,
similarly
to
us,
it's
been
a
little
bit
slow,
mostly
because
it
is
quite
costly
adus.
You
have
to
still
pay
for
most
of
the
time
the
design
the
construction
can
be
really
expensive.
So
any
kind
of
programmatic
approach
to
try
and
help
folks
do
that
is
of
a
benefit.
I
know.
H
Seattle
has
a
program
called
Seattle
ad
Universe,
where
they
have
pre-approved
plans
that
you
can
pay
a
small
fee
for,
but
that
doesn't
again
get
rid
of
Permitting
costs.
Construction
costs
jurisdictions
like
Oakland,
have
actually
set
up
programs
to
help
with
funding
I.
Don't
know
that,
that's
something
that
we're
feasible
to
do
at
any
time
soon,
but
we
have
been
speaking
with
I
can't
remember
who,
but
someone
related
to
80
Universe
about
the
pre-approved
plans.
So
that
is
something
we've
been
looking
at
with
our
Building
Division
as
well.
A
H
And
it
certainly
hasn't
been
quick
yeah.
We
haven't
permitted
1080
if
you've
permitted
some
and
I
know.
Since
we
passed
the
duplexes
on
Corner
Lots
I,
it's
been
a
while
since
I've
been
on
current
planning
I
left
last
summer,
but
I
can't
think
of
any
that
I
that
we
talked
about,
or
that
came
through
at
least
for
that
that
type,
except
potentially
in
some
new
subdivisions.
A
H
A
F
H
F
But
so
again
that's
kind
of
a
grandfather,
an
old
one,
but
I
think
that
use
is
still
allowed.
So
you
do
see
some.
You
know
Boutique
shops
and
stuff
like
that.
But
you
know
people
just
absolutely
love
them.
It's
part
of
what
is
makes
them
proud
of
their
neighborhood.
So
anyway
it's
it's
cool,
little
case
study
and
it
you
know
50
years.
Maybe
we
could
have
that
too.
I
G
A
I
might
be
the
only
Aston
Amish
person
here
and
I'm
up
near
Canyon,
Park
Middle
School,
which
is
shown
as
residential
medium,
and
my
understanding
is
that
under
the
The
increased
density,
there
will
be
allowances
for
for
growth
in
that
area.
Correct
foreign
and
going
with
the
neighborhood
model
I
think
it
would
be
more
dispersed
through
there,
rather
than
so.
We
get
more
of
the
medium
rather
than
more.
The
Clusters,
so
I
I
think
that's
what
I'm
taking
from
it
is
that
morals,
correct
yeah.
K
I
I,
don't
think
we
really
discarded
any
alternatives.
I
think
these
kind
of
evolved
from
the
discussions
with
staff-
that's
not
just
they're.
Definitely
not
the
only
ways
to
go
about
this,
and
it
may
end
up
that.
There's
some
combination
of
these
two
or
especially
when
you
get
to
kind
of
a
preferred
alternative
later
in
the
in
the
process.
H
Yeah
yeah
and
in
terms
of
process
of
the
next
step,
is
to
take
it
to
council
and
get
some
feedback
and
then
continue
to
refine.
It
then,
ultimately,
we'll
end
up
with
the
evaluations
of
the
alternatives
to
the
Eis
and
then
come
to
a
preferred
alternative,
and
once
we
have
a
confirmed
performance
confirmed
all
confirmed,
preferred
alternative.
Then
that's
when
we
can
start
focusing
on
the
actual
regulation
component
to
help
implement
the
policy
to
get
us
to
the
targets,
and
so
that's
what
the
direction
on
sort
of
these
two
methodologies
will
help
us.
G
H
K
And
so
I
asked
I
I
wanted
to
understand
the
process
just
a
little
bit
better,
because
something
commissioner
westerworks
said
reminded
me
that
I
didn't
necessarily
give
up
and
I'm
not
suggesting
that
I
can
give
a
full
list
of
sort
of
criteria
for
pros
and
cons,
but
I
mentioned,
and
these
are
things
that
we've
heard
in
terms
of
public
statements
Etc
right.
So
one
is
that
ownership
versus
rental,
one
is
certainly
traffic,
but
I
was
actually
also
referring
to
I.
K
I
Sorry
I
tried
to
jump
in
too
soon.
Yes,
so
environmental
justice
is
a
required
component
of
the
Landes
element
and
then
also
kind
of
how
we
look
at
land
use
in
the
Eis.
Now
climate
is
built
in
in
the
Eis,
we're
not
doing
it
as
a
separate
section,
but
it
is
kind
of
built
in
in
the
chapters.
So
there
are
climate
related
kind
of
metrics
or
thresholds
that
we'll
look
at
across
the
sections.
K
And
so
just
one
last
piece
of
this,
and
it's
it's
more
so
that
I
understand
the
process
when
I'm
asked
about
it,
but
so
so
after
Council,
as
you
said,
it
will
go
through
the
environmental
impact
assessment
and
then
come
up
with
a
preferred
alternative.
When
does
that
go
back
to
council
or
come
back
to
us
or
does
it.
I
But
when
does
the
preferred
alternative
come
back
to
you?
So
that's
part
of
after
the
draft
Eis
is
released,
which
we're
aiming
for
the
end
of
February
right
now,
there's
kind
of
the
public
process
with
that,
and
then
we
we
we
work
to
develop
a
preferred
alternative
based
on
that
and
get
feedback
from
Planning,
Commission
and
Council
to
get
direction
on
on
what
that
preferred.
Alternative
is
before.
We
then
take
it
back
into
the
the
final
Eis
to
reevaluate
the
preferred
alternative
impacts,
kind
of
and
where
they
fall
within
within
the
other
alternatives.
I
H
A
C
I
A
I
Doesn't
mean
that
it
couldn't
extend
further,
especially
to
the
West
As
you
move
towards
the
mixed
use.
It
might
not
make
sense
to
have
a
residential
low
pocket
there,
but
there
is
I
know.
There's
the
the
manufactured
housing
part
there
and
I
can't
remember
exactly
where
it
where
the
boundary
of
that
is
within
that
residential
or
I.
Guess
that
is
shown
on
the
that
is.
B
I
H
Yeah
I
think
I
can
speak
to
that
a
little
bit
the
areas
of
residential
low
on
the
back
side
of
the
Eastern
purple
portions
of
bottle
ever
Highway.
There's
some
really
challenging
topography
there,
so
it
really
drops
off
down
into
where
Lake
Pleasant
is
so
in
terms
of
a
potential
connection
to
the
purple.
It's
it's
a
little
deceptive
on
the
map,
where
you
can't
see
the
topography
that
that
might
be
kind
of
a
transition
zone.
Just
by
fact
of
it
is
a
really
steep
slope
right
there.
H
G
H
Talked
a
little
bit
about
that
and
I
think
that's
still
kind
of
up
for
discussion.
One
of
the
concerns
was
just
wanting
to
make
sure
we
weren't
reopening
or
relitigating
the
downtown
sub-area
plan
as
part
of
this
process.
So
wanting
to
respect
you
know
that
did
go
through
a
very
lengthy
public
engagement
process
to
get
to
where
it
is
and
I
know
that
there's
been
some
discussion
about
a
potential
re-look
at
the
plan.
Now
it's
been
there
for
a
while,
you
know.
H
Is
there
an
opportunity
to
re-look
at
some
things,
so
it's
possible
that
when
we
do
that
there
might
be
an
opportunity,
I
think
to
have
some
more
Consolidated
choices,
potentially
while
looking
at
the
plan,
but
we
have
had
discussions
about
that.
So
that
could
be
an
ongoing
ongoing
thing
to
discuss
internally
yeah.
G
Sarah
Gustafson
here
just
to
recapitulate
commissioner
Jones
criteria
and
add
a
few
more
ownership
traffic
climate
impact,
environmental
justice
I
think
we
discussed
Transit
opportunities.
Perhaps
those
would
be
more
present
in
a
central
alternative
and
then
also
this
is
really
difficult
to
determine,
but
gentrification
or
displacement
impacts.
A
And
I
know
we
received
a
number
of
written
comments
prior
to
this
meeting
more
or
less
leveraging
off
of
that.
This
map
is
not
intended
to
show
buffers
or
green
belts
or
sensitive
areas.
I
mean
the
neuro,
maybe
flipping
that
on
its
head.
Nor
would
this
map
supersede
those
where
there
are
sensitive
areas
just
because
this
map
shows
something
that
would
not
remove
that
sensitive
designation,
correct,
exactly
yeah.
Okay,
just
wanted
to
be
sure.
We
had
that
on
the
record.
A
A
J
After
reviewing
our
code
in
further
detail,
determined
that
a
step
had
not
yet
been
taken
when
it
came
to
evaluating
the
request-
and
it's
really
a
concurrency
evaluation
that
needs
to
happen
to
assess
impacts
of
traffic
on
our
roadways,
that
would
result
from
the
rezoning
specifically
the
Drew's
request,
and
so
that
process
is
ongoing.
Now
the
it's
it
I
just
will
talk
to
a
miscommunication,
it's
not
on
the
applicant.
J
They
are
now
moving
forward
to
prepare
that
analysis.
When
staff
does
receive
their
report,
we
do
a
peer
review
and
that
will
factor
into
our
recommendation
to
city
council.
We
will
likely
need
to
come
back
to
Planning
Commission
to
make
sure
you're
aware
of
what
that
analysis
has
and
that
might
be
October
18th
I
believe
that's
a
scheduled
meeting
for
Planning
Commission.
It
really
just
depends
on
the
timing.
Once
that
is
complete,
it
will
be
ready
to
go
to
study
session
before
city
council
and
that's
likely
going
to
happen.
J
November
again,
it
really
does
depend
on
timing
now
regarding
the
comprehensive
plan
amendments
that
are
associated
with
that,
those
would
also
move
forward
afterwards
and
those
are
really
paired
with
the
decisions
that
city
council
would
need
to
make
when
it
comes
to
the
recommendations
on
middle
housing.
The
comp
plan
amendments
in
particular,
and
those
really
need
to
be
made
in
conjunction
with
each
other.
J
When
city
council
makes
a
decision
about
comp
plan
amendments
on
their
annual
docket,
they
need
to
be
made
together
in
unison,
even
though
the
issues
aren't
always
related
to
each
other,
so
middle
housing.
That
decision
is
not
really
going
to
be
on
the
city
council's
agenda
until
we're
able
to
resolve
the
de
Tahoe
matter
and
get
that
schedule
for
study
sessions.
So
it's
still
very
much
on
staff's
radar.
Let's
move
that
forward,
but
procedurally
we're
really
looking
at
later
this
year
for
it
to
be
considered
at
City
Council.
J
F
B
F
J
That
is
possible,
yes,
and
that
is
staff's
goal
to
be
able
to
move
forward
on
the
analysis
and
work
with
the
applicant
for
de
Tahoe,
so
that
we
at
least
have
that
resolved
study
session.
And
then
the
compound
amendments,
the
docket
for
2023,
could
be
fully
considered.
But
it's
by
city
council
with
those
two
items
together,
because.
F
J
J
F
Because
we're
because
just
for
my
identification,
we're
allowed
to
do
a
multiple
at
once
for
that,
once
every
10-year
comp
plan
update
correct.
Yes,
it's
not
just
the
one,
because
it's
sort
of
the
in
between
the
10
years,
we're
only
allowed
to
do
one
every
12
months,
basically
yeah.
We
have
to
Cluster
them
okay,
so
we
kind
of
have
one
opportunity
over
10
years
to
do
many
ones,
because
we're
updating
everything
exactly
okay,
just
want
to
share
I'm
clear,
because
I'm,
sometimes
confused.
J
C
F
Yeah
a
lot
and
to
that
point
about
the
215
2015
yeah,
we've.
Obviously
in
the
letters
today
and
letters
recently,
we've
received
some
pushback
about
we're,
not
following
the
2015.,
where
it
does
seem
like
we're
in
sort
of
a
you
know:
a
transition
zone
where
we're
still,
of
course
under
the
2015,
but
at
the
same
time,
because
of
HB
11,
10
and
1220
and
1337
all
these
letters.