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From YouTube: Middle Housing Community Forum - May 3, 2023
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0:18:10 - Introductions/Presentation
0:46:35 - Breakout Sessions
1:35:25 - Group Report-Outs
1:51:05 - Q&A
A
My
name
is
Jason
Greenspan
I'm,
the
community
development
director
here
in
the
city
of
Bothell,
we
have
one
of
our
nicest
evenings.
So
thank
you
for
taking
time
on
this
beautiful
evening.
It's
been
a
couple
hours
since
City,
Hall
I'm,
just
going
to
be
doing
a
little
bit
of
housekeeping
up
front.
Is
there
anybody
here
this
evening
that
needs
translation
or
interpretation
services
for
Mandarin
Chinese
Spanish?
Please
raise
your
hand.
If
you
do,
we
can
make
an
accommodation
for
you,
nobody,
okay,
us
and
anybody
that
is
new
to
City
Hall.
A
We
have
restrooms
right
out
in
the
hallway
and
we
have
exits
right
here
so
we're
in
education
mode
this
evening
when
it
comes
to
Middle
housing,
and
thank
you
for
coming
to
our
community
Forum.
This
is
the
first
Forum
that
we're
having
a
middle
housing.
We
want
to
listen
to
you.
We
want
to
Listen
to
Opportunities
and
challenges
that
you
can
identify
for
us
as
we
listen
and
more
and
breakout
groups
that
we're
going
to
have
after
a
presentation
that
Dave
is
going
to
make
this
evening
on
middle
housing.
A
Your
policy,
some
of
the
images
that
have
been
scrolling
in
the
hallway
or
in
this
room
tonight
we're
hoping
to
give
some
education
and
also
learn
from
you.
Dave
Boyd
is
a
senior
planner
with
the
city.
We
also
have
other
Community
Development
staff
here
this
evening
to
answer
questions
and
to
engage
with
you.
So
with
that
I'm
going
to
hand
over
to
Dave
who'll
get
into
a
presentation
on
middle
housing,.
B
Thanks
Jason-
and
there
are
still
some
seats
up
here
in
front
and
you
can
also
set
it
one
of
the
chairs
around
the
tables
on
either
side
of
the
room.
So
come
on
in
it's
great
to
see
such
a
good
turnout
tonight.
B
So
we're
we're
here
tonight,
because
we
want
your
input.
We
want
to
hear
from
the
Bothell
Community
about
their
housing
needs
and
specifically
tonight
about
their
concerns
and
interests
about
middle
housing.
B
We
want
to
hear
about
your
current
and
future
housing
needs
and
and
then,
as
we
get
into
a
little
more
description
of
what
middle
housing
is
for.
Those
of
you
who
might
not
have
been
following
this
discussion
get
your
thoughts
on
that.
B
So
the
agenda
we're
going
to
do
about
a
20-minute
presentation,
I'm
going
to
do
some
introductions
as
part
of
that
then
we're
going
to
break
into
small
groups
and
we'll
we
have
seven
areas
for
small
group
discussions
and
and
I'm
going
to
introduce
some
of
the
city
staff
that
is
going
to
be
helping,
facilitate
and
take
notes,
City
staff
and
Consultants
that
are
going
to
be
helping,
facilitate
and
take
notes.
So
Jason
Greenspan
already
introduced
himself
Mandy
Roberts
from
otac
our
lead
consultant
on
this
project.
B
Olivia
Nelson,
one
of
our
planners
planners
development
review
planners
Kirsten
Mont,
one
of
our
long-range
planners
Nick
schmack.
Another
development
review,
planner
Leanne
Ryan
with
Eco
Northwest,
our
economic
consultant
Sarah
Frost,
our
community
engagement,
specialist,
Ashley
Winchell,
passing
out
numbers
in
the
back.
That's
for
the
the
small
group
exercises
I'm
feeling
I've
missed
somebody
Eva
ho
from
oh
Sierra,
Carson
from
otech
Raquel
Rodriguez
from
Arch
ivoho
from
otak
and
Mike
Stanger,
also
from
Arch,
a
regional
Coalition
for
housing
who
act
as
our
our
housing
staff,
our
housing
experts.
B
Then
after
we
do.
The
small
group
discussion
we're
going
to
gather
back
here
and
have
each
small
group
assign
a
somebody
to
report
back
and
and
tell
the
whole
group
about
their
small
group
discussion.
B
So,
what's
middle
housing,
the
simplest
way
to
describe
it?
Is
it's
house
scale,
duplexes,
triplexes,
fourplexes,
Cottage
and
Courtyard
housing
on
larger
lots
and
accessory
dwelling
units?
Those
are
all
in
part
of
what
we're
what
we're
considering
in
these
middle
housing
amendments.
B
The
middle
is
because
it's
in
the
middle
between
detached
one-family
homes
and
multi-family
Apartments,
it's
also
in
the
middle,
in
terms
of
affordability.
Generally,
the
idea
is
that
middle
housing
is
is
more
affordable
than
single-family
housing,
probably
more
expensive
than
than
your
typical
Apartments,
but
they're
also
always
exceptions
to
the
rule.
We're
doing
this
to
provide
more
choices,
more
options
for
housing
for
folks
that
want
to
live
in
Bothell
and
doing
it
all,
with
good
design
and
with
a
good
location
in
mind.
B
B
These
are
house
scale
buildings,
so
the
the
scale
of
the
structures
will
be
the
same
as
what
you
could
build
as
a
single
family
home,
so
a
number
of
different
types
of
of
housing,
starting
with
duplexes
and-
and
here
we
have
examples,
both
diagrams
that
show
these
examples,
these
layouts
with
either
a
driveway
from
the
street
or
alley
access
and
then
some
more
traditional
examples
along
with
more
modern
examples.
B
One
reason
for
showing
the
more
traditional
ones
is
that
this
these
were
allowed
at
one
point
before
we
had
widespread
exclusive
single-family
zoning
in
the
country
so
and
you'll
see
in
in
neighborhoods
like
lower
Maywood,
a
mixture
of
of
duplexes,
triplexes
fourplexes
and
single
family
homes
triplexes.
So
those
can
be
both
of
these
examples.
Both
the
modern
and
the
traditional
one
are
what
we
call
Stacked
Flats,
where
each
floor
is
an
apartment,
but
those
could
also
be
arranged
in
a
townhouse
type
format
or
other
ways.
B
B
It
also
can
be
Cottage
housing,
and
here
we
have
some
examples
of
smaller
detached
units
organized
around
a
common
court
and
generally
with
parking
separated
from
the
actual
dwelling
unit.
B
Or
it
could
be
Courtyard
housing,
both
cottages
and
Courtyard
housing
would
require
would
be
appropriate
on
on
larger
Lots.
Courtyard
housing
could
be
in
a
sea
shape,
as
shown
here
in
the
diagram
or
in
an
L
shape
on
a
corner,
and
the
idea
is
that
the
ends
of
those
the
c
or
the
L
approximate,
the
scale
of
a
single-family
house.
B
So
again
as
you've
gone
on
the
street,
it
has
a
similar
character
to
the
the
thing
the
individual
homes
on
the
street,
both
the
as
I
said
before
the
both
the
Planning
Commission
recommendation
and
the
the
state
legislation
that
was
recently
passed,
allow
one
attached
and
one
detached
accessory
dwelling
unit
on
a
lot
on
a
lot
with
a
detached
primary
dwelling
unit,
and
also
they
allow
one
Adu
on
a
middle
housing
lot.
B
So
here's
just
some
examples
in
the
the
diagram
in
the
lower
right,
several
examples
of
different
ways
that
you
can
have
an
eight,
a
single
Adu
with
a
house,
and
we
also
have
here
some
examples.
The
lower
photograph
here
is
an
existing
house
where
they've
built
an
attached
accessory
dwelling
unit
right
on
the
back
side,
the
the
White
Tower
element
with
some
black
siding
and
then
beyond
that
a
detached
accessory
dwelling
unit
all
on
a
larger
lot.
B
So
why?
Why
are
we
looking
at
middle
housing?
First
of
all,
bothell's
comprehensive
plan,
since
2015
has
called
for
a
wider
array
of
options
for
housing
within
Bothell,
and
that
was
reinforced
in
the
housing
strategy
that
was
last
updated
in
2018.
B
plus
the
state
needs
about
the
projections.
Are
the
state
needs
about
1.1
million
new
homes
in
the
next
20
years?
B
So
we
need
to
act
whether
we
move
forward
with
the
Planning
Commission
recommendation
or
or
shift,
and
and
do
something
more
in
line
with
what
the
state
has
indicated.
B
It's
not
a
question
of
if
but
exactly
how
and
and
when
at
this
point,
so
here's
where
we
are
on
the
overall
schedule
and
and
actually
we
started
working
on
this
back
in
in
2019
when
we
looked
at
corner
lot,
duplexes
and
actually
adopted.
We
currently
allow
corner
lot
duplexes
throughout
the
residential
zones
in
the
city.
But
when
that
was
passed,
when
Planning
Commission
made
its
recommendation
and
Council
adopted
those
regulations,
both
bodies
indicated
that
they
wanted
to
see
more
options
of
middle
housing.
B
It
got
additional
direction
from
city
council
at
the
start
of
2022
in
in
the
planning
docket
we've
done
a
number
of
Outreach
efforts
through
walking
tours
in
the
lower
Maywood
neighborhood.
We
did
a
community
Forum
last
May
and
a
survey
and
in
October
Planning
Commission
made
a
recommendation
for
code
amendments
and
and
we've
continued
to
do
the
walking
tours
as
an
Outreach
effort.
City
council
has
started
its
review
in
the
early
part
of
this
year.
B
They've
had
study
sessions
in
January,
February
and
March
Planning
Commission
is
looking
at
a
comprehensive
plan
amendments
to
to
accompany
the
the
code
amendments
and
tonight
we're
having
this
community
Forum.
We
did
a
city-wide,
mailer
and
and
we're
going
to
launch
another
survey
tonight
so
that'll
be
another
opportunity
for
Community
input
and
then
it'll
go
back
to
council
for
their
review
and
and
the
public
hearing
in
in
July
study
session
in
June
and
public
Hearing
in
in
July.
B
So
Community
engagement,
I
mentioned
the
walking
tours.
We
ended
those
walking
tours
with
listening
sessions
to
hear
people's
thoughts
about
middle
housing
after
they've
seen
some
examples.
B
The
the
May
2022
com,
Community
Forum,
wasn't
as
successful
as
this.
We
didn't
have
quite
as
many
people,
but
so
we're
great.
B
We're
really
happy
to
see
this
turnout
tonight
and
we're
also
also
the
council
and
Planning
Commission
meetings
are
opportunities
for
public
input
and
we've
gotten
quite
a
bit
of
both
written
and
oral
testimony
in
those
forums,
we're
also
doing
Outreach
to
community-based
organizations
working
with
Arch
and
other
East
Side
communities,
and
and
if
there
are,
if
there
is
any
interest
in
other
language
interpretations
of
surveys,
we
we've
done
We're
translating
ours
into
Spanish
and
simplified
Chinese,
but
they
they're
more
opportunities
and
more
languages
available
in
a
different
survey.
B
That's
being
done
through
that
effort,
so
I
talked
about
the
recent
legislation.
Just
in
the
last
two
two
and
a
half
weeks,
the
legislature
has
passed
two
bills:
House
Bill
1110.
It
requires
middle
housing
for
most
communities
in
in
the
state.
Definitely
Bothell
will
be
required
to
provide
at
least
duplexes
fourplexes
within
a
quarter
mile
of
frequent
Transit
and
then
and
House.
B
Bill
1337
will
allow
two
adus
per
per
lot
with
a
detached
primary
dwelling
unit
and
it
also
limits
restrictions
like
owner,
occupancy
and
and
also
design
restrictions
that
go
beyond
what
what
is
required
for
other
housing.
B
So
moving
forward
and
here's
a
very
simplified
comparison
of
what
the
state
legislation
requires
and
and
what
the
Planning
Commission
has
recommended.
So
both
are
looking
allowing
looking
to
allow
accessory
dwellings
tune
units
per
lot
in
Citywide
in
residential
zones.
Both
would
allow
duplexes
Citywide
the
state
require,
allows
up
to
four
plexes
outside
of
that
quarter.
B
Mile
radius,
if
one
is
Affordable,
that's
a
little
bit
different
than
the
Planning
Commission
recommendation,
which
focused
on
larger
development
subdivisions
and
giving
a
bonus
that
could
be
met
with
a
mix
of
middle
housing
and
then
a
affordability
requirement
that
10
percent
of
those
units
that
get
that
bonus
or
those
developments
that
get
that
bonus
would
have
to
have
ten
percent
of
the
overall
units,
affordable,
contractually
affordable
and
both
allow
for
Courtyard
and
cottage
housing.
B
So
those
bills
just
came
down
they're
still
awaiting
the
governor's
signature,
we're
still
awaiting
guidance
from
the
State
Department
of
Commerce
so
and
in
the
meantime,
we're
analyzing
those
and
we'll
be
coming
back
to
Planning,
Commission
and
city
council.
With
that
analysis
in
the
in
the
next
month
or
or
two,
the
compliance
deadline
for
the
state
rules
is
July
of
2025,
but
Council
has
indicated
an
interest.
Our
marching
orders
are
trying
to
bring
something
back
to
them,
that
for
adoption
before
the
August
break.
B
The
direction
the
council
is
given
to
staff
I'll
take
some
questions
at
the
end,
sir,
so.
B
B
Well,
I'll
take
questions
at
the
end,
clarifying
questions
and
then
we're
we're.
Looking
we're
looking
for
most
of
the
discussion
to
happen
at
the
small
groups.
So
if
you
can
just
hold
off
for
a
minute,
I'm
almost
done.
C
B
No
question:
that's
not!
That's
not
accurate,
so
I
expect
that
what
Sarah
may
have
said
might
have
been
misinterpreted,
but
we
have
grants
from
the
State
Department
of
Commerce
to
do
this
work
we
need.
B
B
I
will
let
you
know
when
I'm
finished.
Okay,
we
will
one
deliverable
is
a
report
on
racial
equity
and
anti-displacement
options.
One
deliverable
is
a
report
on
market
analysis.
Exploring
the
feasibility
of
these
and
that'll
also
be
part
of
the
displacement
analysis.
B
We
do
not
have
to
produce
actual
code
amendments
or
plan
plan
amendments
as
part
of
the
grant,
but
we
have
to
show
progress
towards
doing
that
and
and
a
path
towards
doing
that,
that
we
need
to
provide
by
the
end
of
June
and
as
part
par
another
deliverable
of
the
grant
is
the
community
outreach.
B
The
only
obligation
we
have
is
to
do
to
reproduce
those
reports.
We
don't
have
any
obligation
under
this
contract
to
actually
pass
any
plan
or
code
amendments.
The
direction
we've
gotten
from
Council
is
to
to
to
work
towards
that,
and
but
we
will
have
if
Council
decides
to
wait,
have
until
July
1925
to
actually
comply
with
the
new
state
rules.
So
let
me
let
me
finish
my
my
presentation
here,
a
few
issues
that
we
are
dealing
with
in
this,
so
affordability
and
attainable
housing.
B
So
a
small
number
of
the
units
would
be
contractually
affordable,
but
the
idea
is
that
that
these
will
be
smaller
units
than
than
the
typical
new
single-family
homes
that
get
built,
so
they
will
be
more
attainable,
and
so
this
is
a
rough
diagram
of
where
apartments
are
generally
in,
where
most
of
the
the
truly
affordable
housing
can
be
provided.
B
Accessory,
dwelling
units
kind
of
fill
that
that
the
lower
Middle
Ground
middle
housing
is
in
the
middle
and
then
single
family
housing
towards
the
upper
end.
Oh
actually,
a
couple
important
things:
I
wanted
to
to
bring
up.
B
One
concern
that's
been
raised
has
been
about
utilities
and
infrastructure,
whether
that's
adequate
we've
been
working
with
our
public
works
department
on
both
of
those
and
the
response
we've
gotten
is
that
what
what's
being
proposed,
we
have
the
capacity
to
to
serve
that
and
our
public
works
department
is
doing
a
fee
study
they're
going
to
have
an
initial
initial
Council
study
session
on
the
feast
study
on
June,
6th
and
they'll,
be
looking
at
Specialized
fees
for
Middle
housing
and
accessory
dwelling
units
as
part
of
that
study,
and
then
we're
doing
the
market
analysis.
B
As
I
said
that
will
include
the
displacement
analysis
and
tax
impacts.
That's
another
question
that's
been
raised,
so
we'll
have
more
information
on
that.
As
that
work
is
done
so
tonight's
program,
where
the
idea
is
that
most
the
discussion
we
wanted
to
have.
We
wanted
to
have
around
tables
and
small
groups
rather
than
in
in
this
big
room.
B
Those
streaming
live
on.
Bctv
will
be
able
to
do
the
online
survey
during
the
break.
There's
a
QR
code
on
the
screen
that
you
can
capture
and
that'll.
Take
you
to
the
survey.
We
do
have
some
hard
copies
of
the
survey
I'll
get
to
you
in
a
minute
ma'am,
but
we
would
really
prefer
that
you
take
it
online
if
you're
able
to
do
that,
question.
B
Happen
well
and
that's
why
we're
going
to
report
back
at
the
end
and
there'll
be
an
opportunity
for
some
some
group
discussion
at
the
end.
So
that's
how
we've
set
this
up
tonight.
We've
found
that
the
small
group
of
discussions
are
generally
more
conducive
and
and.
B
One
affordable
unit:
yes,
the
state.
The
state
legislation
calls
for
allows
up
to
four
plexes
outside
of
the
quarter
mile
radius
from
transit.
If
one
of
the
units
is
Affordable
that
is
generally
defined
in
our
code
generally
defined.
As
for
ownership,
housing
at
80
percent
of
the
area
mean
for
households
are
earning
80
percent
of
the
area,
meeting
income
or
for
rentals
for
households
earning
60
percent
of
the
area
meeting
income.
B
But
that's
one
detail
that
we
really
need
to
to
analyze
a
little
bit
more
in
terms
of
exactly
what
the
state
legislation
is
going
to
require.
B
Yes,
that
should
be
median
income
and
it's
it's.
The
King
County
median
income.
D
B
Up
a
hill
and
down
so
I
was
curious
how
the
planning
perspective
where's,
The,
Foundry
of
so
in
in
the
in
our
city
code,
depending
on
the
type
of
housing.
It's
a
quarter
or
a
half
mile
radius
in
most
cases,
half
mile,
but
for
senior
housing.
It's
a
quarter
mile
radius
from
frequent
Transit,
which
is
a
Transit
that
has
a
stop
every
at
least
four
stops
an
hour
for
a
major
part
of
the
day.
So
in
Bothell,
that's
going
to
be
mostly
along
the
express
lines
and
the
new
brt
line.
B
The
state
law
is
a
quarter
mile,
walking
distance
from
major
Transit
and,
and
that
may
be
very
slightly
as
it's
defined
from
what,
as
we've
defined
it
to
date.
So
yep
I
am.
C
C
B
C
It
is
that
we
are
growing
at
eight
times
the
population
rate
growth
rate
of
the
Brookings
institute's
analysis
of
the
last
U.S
census.
What
they're
doing
to
us
60
times
the
population
growth
rate
and
they
do
it
unapologetically?
Could
you
answer
me
why
we
are
growing
at
60
times
the
U.S
population
growth
rate
here
in
Boston.
B
I
guess
the
answer
to
that
would
be
no
if
it
has
to
be
a
yes
or
no
question
so
that
that's
not
I,
don't
think.
That's
accurate,
so
I'm
going
to
turn
it
over
to
Ashley
Winchell.
E
Everyone
got
a
number
when
they
came
in.
If
you
didn't
we'll
get
you
a
number
we're
breaking
up
into
small
Grooms,
because
we
want
to
have
conversations
with
all
of
you,
we're
going
to
be
taking
notes,
we're
going
to
report
back
and
then
all
of
this
information
will
go
into
a
report.
That'll
help
city
council
make
decisions
about
how
to
handle
middle
housing
moving
forward.
So
if,
if
you
don't
have
a
note
card,
can
you
or
with
a
number
on
it?
Can
you
raise
your
hand?
E
Okay,
Sierra
is
gonna,
bring
you
a
note
card
so
table.
One
Jason
is
in
the
back.
He's
got
a
pink
piece
of
paper
that
says
one
you
all
are
going
to
room
108.
E
Table
two
is
with
Sierra,
so
Sierra's
right
here,
Folks
at
table,
two
we've
got
a
table
set
up
for
you
in
the
lobby,
so
you'll
just
go
out
this
door
to
the
lobby
with
Sierra
table
three
is
with
Kirsten
and
Nick.
Nick
is
very
tall,
so
he's
almost
touching
the
ceiling
back
here
with
three
so
go
with
Nick
to
table
107.
If
you're
with
table
four.
E
That's
me
so
I'm
in
room
127,
so
once
I'm
done
kind
of
air
traffic
controlling
you
can
follow
me
five.
It
was
Mandy
at
this
table
in
in
council
chambers,
so
you
don't
have
too
far
to
go.
Six
is
with
Leanne
who's
going
into
Room
101
over
here
and
then
seven
is
with
Mike,
who
is
over
here
in
council
chambers,
all
right.
B
C
F
F
B
You
I'd
also
like
to
encourage
folks,
if
they
didn't
feel
like
they
got
their
their
chance
to
get
their
comments
in
or
all
of
their
comments,
and
please
do
email
us
at.
B
B
I
know
there
are
more
people
lingering
out
there
in
the
lobby
or
other
areas,
but
I
think
we
should
go
ahead
and
get
started.
B
Mandy
can
I
call
on
your
table.
Do
you
have
somebody
prepared
to
report
out.
G
H
Good
evening,
everybody
that's
great
to
see
a
lot
of
people
from
Bothell
and
so
active
and
a
lot
of
young
people
shaping
the
future
of
battle.
So
our
group
was
a
mix
of
newcomers
and
younger
people
and
Alzheimer's
like
myself,
so
we're
kind
of
two
different
two
points
of
of
the
of
the
area,
so
people
that
they
realize
that
they
kind
of
afford
it
because
of
the
income
and
some
of
us
that
we
come
to
bus
a
long
time
ago,
and
we
have
a
totally
different
situation.
H
So
so
pretty
much.
The
main
thing
that
we
discussed
was
the
people
didn't
understand
why
we
need
to
growth
here
in
battle,
which
has
to
do
with
the
growth
management
act.
So
we
need
to
meet
densities
have
to
do
with
traffic.
So
we
talk
about
that.
People
are
concerned
about
losing
the
the
cut
the
character
of
battle.
I
mean
we
used
to
have
trees,
woodpeckers
waking,
UPS
deers
on
my
purchase
and
possums,
so
I
think
most
of
us
in
our
table
missing
that
feeling.
H
However,
we
all
agree
with
a
lot
of
folks
think
about
their
families
and
stay
and
stay
here
in
Bothell
and
preserving
the
character.
The
other
thing
that
they
were
concerned.
It
was
about
the
trees
coming
down
the
Flora,
how
additional
run
of
water.
My
impact
species
then
also
there's
a
lot
of
concern
about
climate
change.
H
H
Okay,
okay,
okay!
Well,
the
other
thing
too
that
we
talk
about,
and
they
are
close
to
me
because
my
daughter
Teresa,
is
about
accessibility.
We
are
building
I,
know
that
we're
we
need
to
build
for
the
future,
for
the
kids
for
the
newcomer
to
be
affordable,
but
we
also
need
to
keep
all
our
because
we
are
not
getting
any
younger.
We
live
longer,
so
we
need
accessible,
sidewalks,
accessible
houses,
yeah,
okay,
you
can
do
a
middle
house,
but
how
many
of
us
can
you
know
pretty
soon?
H
I
mean
I,
don't
think
pretty
soon,
I
want
to
be
able
to
climb
stairs
so
yeah
when
you
do
the
design
for
Middle
houses
or
additional
just
be
sure
that
all
the
designs
are
accordingly
to
our
Asian
population
and
the
other
knees
they
are,
and
also
people
with
the
special
needs
using
wheelchairs
because,
again
we're
living
longer-
and
you
know,
let's,
let's
do
that
and
and
again,
let's
all
work
together
this.
This
is
a
really
good
thing.
Thank
you.
For
your
time,
everybody.
B
J
Just
a
few
quick
words
to
summarize
what
the
takeaways
from
our
group
I
think
it's
fair
to
say
that
that
they
concluded
that
they're
not
crazy
about
three
or
four
homes
on
a
lot
but
they're,
okay
with
duplexes.
J
A
lot
of
you
know
the
typical
concerns
that
probably
had
in
all
other
conversations
about
density,
a
lot.
You
know:
trees,
traffic
Etc,
but
but
the
that's
kind
of
where
the
consensus
came
down,
and
they
would
be
happier
with
the
conclusion.
If
it
was
clear
that
the
homes
you
know
fit
aesthetically
in
with
the
existing
neighborhood.
B
K
L
So
we
had
a
lot
of
really
good
discussion
and
a
lot
of
what
was
the
phrase:
seasoned
Bothell
lights
in
addition
to
newcomers
and
so
a
lot
of
different
opinions
throughout
there,
and
it
was
a
overall,
pretty
healthy
discussion
that
we
had.
You
know
we
wanted
to
see
closer
proximity
to
Services.
One
of
the
upsides
to
Middle
housing
would
be
something
like
that
people
are
able
to
live
in
a
more
convenient
or
walkable
City,
and
that
was
one
of
the
big
takeaways
pretty
consistently.
L
Through
all
the
questions
we
were
discussing,
some
other
stuff
we'd
like
to
see
on
top
of
that
would
be
a
more
amidst
use
and
more,
not
necessarily
commercial,
but
like
service
services
in
the
deeper
neighborhoods
as
well.
It'd
be
fantastic
to
have
some
high
density
neighborhoods,
but
if
you're
still
20
minutes
away
from
anything
worth
walking
to,
then
it's
not
as
exciting
or
relevant
for
everyone
yeah.
So
we
overall
sounded
like
a
lot
of
adus
were
very
popular
Cottage
type.
L
Housing
on
larger
Lots
was
a
bid
favored,
the
group
that
we
discussed
and
yeah
there
was
some
worries
and
discussions
about
what
duplexes
and
triplexes
would
look
like
in
the
single
family
neighborhoods.
L
Hopefully,
that's
something
that
the
market
analysis
will
be
able
to
discuss
or
clear
up
for
whether
or
not
that's
a
affects
people's
property
value
in
the
future
and
I.
Think
that's
overall
everything.
Unless
there
was
something
else
important
that
someone
wanted
to
add
all
right,
perfect,
awesome,
yeah
there
we
go.
B
M
Okay,
so
some
of
the
key
points
that
we
talked
about
was
just
affordability.
In
general,
we
had
some
questions
about
ownership
and
rental
units
and
whether
or
not
the
if
the
new
housing
is
there.
M
If
it's
going
to
be
renting
or
if
people
are
going
to
be
buying,
fear
being
priced
out
if
they
currently
own
a
home
or
on
the
other
side
of
that,
given
up
the
ability
to
purchase
a
home
concerns
about
ability
for
the
city
to
absorb
population,
growth
related
to
infrastructure
in
schools
and
concerned
about
the
loss
of
Horizon
and
Views
in
Bothell.
Some
of
the
things
we're
wanting
to
see
sustainability,
protect
trees,
maintain
just
the
community
in
general
and
then
want
to
see
new
units
or
want
to
see
units
available
for
new
residents.
K
Yeah
I'm
pretty
strong,
so
we
had
a
lot
of
discussion
about
tree
canopy
coverage
wanting
to
maintain
vegetation
both
for
sense
of
well-being
for
urban
heat
island
effect,
which
is
cooling
impacts.
We
talked
a
little
bit
about
affordability
concerns
people
were
talking
about
their
children
that
haven't
really
been
able
to
stay
in
the
community
and
that
being
an
unfortunate
thing.
There
was
some
comments
as
well
about
the
perception
of
how
much
this
legislation
is
actually
going
to
change
the
community
and
some
thoughts
that
they
didn't
think
that
was
going
to
be
the
case.
K
There
was
a
comment
about
recognizing
that
we
do
have
middle
housing
in
Buffalo
and
Townhomes
and
wanting
to
make
sure
that
we're
kind
of
recognizing
that
a
lot
of
concerns
about
accessibility
in
these
types
of
housing
so
making
sure
that
any
new
middle
housing
can
be
accessible
to
all
folks
and
that
was
kind
of
the
maximum
of
Life
of
everything.
I
have
down
here
so
right,
right.
E
So
our
group-
definitely
one
of
the
things
that
we
really
liked
about
Bothell-
is
that
it
reminds
folks
a
lot
of
where
they
grew
up.
They
really
like
the
feel
of
Bothell
and
I.
Think
the
word
nostalgia
came
up.
We
almost
ended
up
talking
about
Country
Village
for
a
very
long
time,
so
I
think
that
could
have
been
the
theme
folks
liked
that
their
street
was
quiet.
They
liked
that
it
was
low
crime.
There
was
also
some
folks
who
wanted
to
see
more
development
downtown
wanted
to
see
more
ground
floor
retail
downtown.
E
I'm
having
the
same
issue
as
Kirsten
here,
I
think
I
got
it
some
folks
like
that
there
are
different
levels
of
Housing
and
then
there
are
also
concerns
brought
up
about
whether
their
kids
would
be
able
to
afford
to
live
here
and
whether
they
could
afford
a
home
like
the
one.
They
grew
up
in
terms
of
liking.
E
Middle
housing
really
for
some
folks
depended
on
where
they
were
I
think
it
was
a
pretty
strong
feeling
that
they
need
to
fit
into
the
neighborhood
so
not
necessarily
liking
some
of
the
modern
architecture
but
liking
things
that
maybe
look
like
existing
houses
in
the
neighborhood.
E
There
are
some
comments
about
really
big
houses
being
built,
and
so
you
know,
could
a
mcmansion
be
three
units
or
could
it
house
more
families,
but
then
also
concerns
about
parking?
If
there's
more
units
in
the
same
footprint-
and
then
we
talked
you
know
there
I
think
there
was
a
lot
of
folks
who
want
to
be
involved
in
their
families
lives
in
some
ways
being
close
to
their
family
and
some
expressing
that
middle
housing
could
provide
that
opportunity
to
live
close
to
your
family
without
living
with
your
family.
B
B
N
Hello,
our
group
was
in
the
lobby,
and
we
had
a
pretty
most
of
the
people
in
our
group
have
been
have
lived
here
for
a
long
time,
so
Generations
or
decades
and
they've
been
here
very
established.
So
we
talked
a
lot
about
what
we
could
do
with
current
housing,
what
they
could
do
with
their
existing
property
and
what
that
would
look
like
on
different
sites,
so
whether
it
was
an
Adu
or
building
a
duplex
out
of
their
current
home
or
adding
on
to
their
current
home.
N
We
spend
a
lot
of
time
talking
about
that,
the
different
options,
the
different
proposals
and
what
that
would
mean
for
them
as
an
as
a
current
homeowner.
We
also
shared
some
stories
about
families
and
friends
who
who
can't
afford
to
live
here
right
now
and
how
middle
housing
could
be
an
opportunity
for
that.
N
We
had
some
great
questions
about.
How
does
this
affect
property
taxes?
What
does
this
mean
for
developers
and
what
they're
allowed
to
build
going
forwards?
We
talked
through
some
of
those
situations
and
a
lot
about
the
flexibility
of
lots
and
what
site
specific,
so
whether
it
was
converting
an
existing
home
or
adding
to
an
existing
home
I
think
I've
repeated
myself,
sorry,
but
that
was
that
was
the
gist
of
it.
B
Those
are
some
great
points.
Great
discussion,
one
recurring
same
I
heard
I
think
in
pretty
much
all
of
the
these
was
concerned
about
losing
trees,
and
one
thing
I
didn't
mention
in
my
description
of
the
Planning
Commission
recommendation
is
they
did
hear
that
concern
and
they
were
interested
in
allowing
some
flexibility
for
Middle
Housing
Development
and
in
the
end
the
recommendation
was
to
allow
some
flexibility
with
the
setbacks.
B
If
you
had
a
significant
tree
in
the
back
that
that
you
were
able
to
preserve
by
that
or
you
could
switch
it
back
and
reduce
the
backyard
somewhat
in
order
to
do
that,
so
that
was
one
one
measure
that
that
the
Planning
Commission
took
in
their
recommendation
to
address
the
concern
about
about
trees.
So
we
are
just
about
at
time.
B
I
just
like
to
thank
everybody
for
coming
out.
I
thought
I
saw
a
lot
of
great
discussions
I
as
I
roamed
around
a
lot
of
different
viewpoints,
which
is
exactly
what
we
wanted
to
to
do
here.
We
wanted
to
hear
from
abroad
the
broad
spectrum
of
of
the
Bothell
community
so
with
that
I
will
allow.
We
have
time
for
a
couple
of
comments
or
questions,
closing
questions.
C
B
Thank
you.
I
will
say
that
the
deliverables
are
in
the
contract
that
the
city
council
approved
on
January
17th.
So
you
can
find
those
in
the
the
contract.
We're
not
hiding
anything
here
and
the
the
contract
that
we
signed
was
to
do
exactly
what
we're
doing
here
now
to
engage
the
community
to
try
to
find
a
solution
that
that
includes
the
ability
for
homeowners
to
do
middle
housing
with
protections
for
the
Greater
Community.
So
any
other
we've
got
a
couple
of
minutes
and.
D
Excuse
me
I'm
curious
about
further
public
engagement,
I,
see
that
you're
contacting
different
groups
and
obviously
there's
the
Planning
Commission
and
the
council,
and
we
got
the
survey,
but
are
there
other
opportunities
where
the
public
can
engage
as
we
go
along?
I
would
like
to
see
some
kind
of
a
follow-up,
perhaps
to
this
yeah.
B
We'll
be
reporting
on
this
and
and
the
more
detailed
notes
and
that's
a
great
segue
into
my
closing
comments.
I'm
sorry
I
know
there
were
some
other
questions,
but
we'll
I'll
I'm
happy
to
answer
some
questions
at
the
end.
Here
are
some
immediate
engagement
opportunities.
This
goes
back
to
the
Planning
Commission
on
May
17th,
for
a
public
hearing
on
the
comprehensive
plan,
amendments
that
they're
considering
there'll,
be
a
city
council
study
session
on
June
13th,
and
this
this
is
all
subject
to
change.
B
B
So
with
that
I
just
again
just
like
to
thank
you
all
James
I'll
give
you
your.
I
I'm
James
Caniff
I
think
my
whole
agenda
is
Governor.
Inslee
April
26
signed
something
where
he
wants
to
put
a
duplex
on
any
existing
single
resident
housing.
I
The
governor
wants
yeah
middle
housing,
a
duplex,
not
a
four-plex
or
a
Triplex,
and
that
was
our
major
discussion
at
our
group.
Number.
Seven
and
I
think
that's
what
we're
kind
of
missing
from
this
whole
discussion.
Is
they
didn't
show
you
what
the
Planning
Commission
wants
to
do
and
what
the
governor
wants
to
do.
I
They're
two
different
things,
and
so
that's
what
makes
me
upset
as
a
bother
resident.
Thank
you.
Okay,
I
mean
I
feel
like
we
should
do
what
the
governor
wants
to
do
after
he
signs
this
April
26
Bill,
okay,
I
mean
we
don't
even
have
a
copy
of
it.
Yet
I
mean
but
email
this
young
man
Mr
Boyd.
He
takes
your
email
and
then
he'll
pass
it
on
to
the
Planning
Commission
and
they'll.
I
Hear
you
if
you
want
to
put
down
that:
hey
I,
don't
want
a
Triplex
or
a
four
Plex,
but
I'll
do
what
the
governor
is.
I'd
wish
all
of
you
to
email
him
that
so
we
can
have
that
and
not
a
Triplex
and
a
four-plex
next
to
our
house.
Okay,
so
everybody
please
email
this
young
man
and
he'll
email,
the
Planning
Commission
everything
that
you
eat
him
and
put
your
name
and
address
on
it
and
say:
thanks
appreciate
your
time,
Thanks.
B
James
and
I
I
didn't
mention
it,
but
yeah.
You
can
comment
for
at
each
of
these
meetings
by
email.
You
can
come
and
and
testify
in
person,
and
this
will
all
go
into
the
public
record.
The
Planning
Commission
recommendation
is
out
on
there,
there's
nothing
hidden,
it's
it's
available
there,
it's
in
there,
October
5th,
2022
meeting
and
just
one
clarification.
B
The
state
law
does
allow
fourplex
says
that
you
we
have
to
allow
four
plexes
within
a
quarter
mile
of
of
Transit
but
they're
and
you're
right,
the
Planning
Commission,
the
Planning
Commission,
but
neither
the
governor
or
the
Planning
Commission
are
putting
these
there.
This
is
this
is
all
up
to
the
private
property
owners
to
to
provide
and
and
private
homeowners.
So
we
and
we've
heard
from
several
that
want-
would
like
to
do
some
of
these
types.
B
So
with
that
I'm
gonna
we're
over
time
now,
I
I'm
happy
to
take
questions
after
we
convene
or
after
we
go
on
and
again.
Thank
you
very
much
for
coming
out
and
we
appreciate
your
input.