Brisbane, California Brisbane City Council Meetings, 6 Oct 2022

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From YouTube: Test Meeting

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We're testing equipment and streaming connections.

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Okay, now I can hear myself loud and clear, and it's coming through YouTube as well.

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Mic check you sound, you sound great. Are you using the I'm using staff? One?

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Sorry, if you hear me chewing: oh, it's! Okay, I, don't hear it. Okay! Cool do I need to turn on my camera.

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um I. Don't know we are doing a live YouTube test too.

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Is only a test.

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How is it sounding Andy I mean okay, okay, tricaster sounds okay, Andy says, and so then YouTube is sounding. Okay, too. Is that what you mean.

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Not hearing anything in the room currently, but we hopefully should be hearing everything on channel and on YouTube, that's kind of my tip. How.

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Do we test the channel, should I ask Matt to go on YouTube.

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That's true, but maybe I'll just ask him to to just join the Stream.

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Or I could actually go on my phone should it say that we're live now, you should right, I still see the live, feed us what's live.

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um Channel feed.

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Are you sure, we're on YouTube how come when I go to the channel? Where is it on the channel?

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Might be unlisted.

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uh I can go to manage videos.

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We're gonna be public, ly, testing, making sure everything's, good or tonight's council meeting.

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I see myself on my phone, but do I hear my.

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Test test, I, don't I, don't think it's coming through YouTube. Wait it's hard to tell when I'm in this room. That's why I feel like I should ask um someone else. Sorry.

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Ingrid, can you go on? Well, it's too hard. uh Let's see I'm just going our YouTube make sure you can hear audio.

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Okay, I'm gonna log in I mean not login, but.

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This one, the live, feed, yeah.

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Whatever it says, is, live right now or you're on yes, live stream test.

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It sounds really faint on YouTube.

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That's going on to check audio on YouTube now.

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Can you hear me I could hear you on the life. You could hear me on the live stream. Okay,.

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Yeah I think I can hear myself too on YouTube.

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Yeah just keep it on the dice Andy. That's fine. Okay. Matt says he can hear us on YouTube.

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And he also hears background music.

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What other testing do we need to do.

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So there's no audio in the room. You figure that out.

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But you hear it in there, which is what is needed.

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Okay, can you keep talking Ingrid we're testing? Oh right, we're just testing to see if the audio in the room can be turned off and it got turned off. It seems by Andy doing what.

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Yeah, okay, so.

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Allowing for public participation, public May address the council using exclusively remote public comment options, but it's another thing: I wanted to discuss.

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Here's my timer and you see it.

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Land DC, my um my video background.

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Oh yes, I see the timer going. Do you see it as you don't see it as like the main one right? It's just that's different from being spotlighted so now, I see you have a pin there.

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But it takes up the whole entire Square.

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How about now now I see the city of stars? I got the review and now I see the timer and then how about? If I isn't it is yours on gallery view right now, um I think it is yeah, because I see community meeting room I see how about if I pin it.

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Doesn't it take over the whole screen once I've done it there's only three of us in here: it's just not taking up your whole screen. For me, it's picking up the whole screen, maybe because I'm talking.

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I'm gonna take up the whole screen yeah.

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Oh I'm not share screening. This is my background. Video background.

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Interesting: okay,.

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Like the that's the way, people have been doing it now, because we don't they don't want to have it be so big yeah, they don't want the whole, like you know like picking up the whole.

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The whole day, okay and it's gonna go back to you.

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Two minute countdown.

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What did you just turn off your camera? No I posted it. Oh you put a Post-It.

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Oh right, because it's a green posted it, it screens.

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Out is it really green.

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Yellow posted yeah.

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I'm just blocking the camera. This is yellow you just blocking the camera. Okay, but not turning off the camera, but.

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That's interesting because we've got multiple people: oh wait! How many parts? How many panelists do you have versus panelists versus attendees, because Ingrid, you and community room right now are the only panelists right, I'm, sorry, I.

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You and community room are the only two you're hosting and Community rooms, a panelist right, I.

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Think I'm a panelist too I'm hosting I. Just don't have my camera on right.

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Because if we, if we add one more piece of video as a panelist, that will give us a better idea, how.

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Do I get there? How do I close this? Oh okay! Let me turn on my video yeah and then, when you're speaking, Yeah Milan's on speaker, View and you're still mine is on what view am I on I can't tell okay I'm just on my phone, so it's just all those our speaker view. Do you see yeah right now? The community meeting room is like my biggest one, my big, like the main one. For some reason, the.

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Because you're speaking through it uh yeah it's green right now. So are you on speaker, View and then yeah I'm on speaker of you now, but if I'm on gallery of you, everybody has their own. Can.

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To gallery view I'm just curious if it'll look different.

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The thing is, is there's a couple different settings if you're on the zoom call yeah.

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The individual gets to if you're a panelist you get to kind of Select, which one you use either gallery view speaker view these sorts of things. If you're, if you're an attendee I, think you get speaker view no matter. What oh.

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Really: okay, okay and.

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For channel it's based on what I set on Crestron or on the Zoom app on Crestron, which currently is gallery view, which you're seeing up there on the projector.

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And right now, you're talking as a community meeting room right.

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That's a that's.

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A microphone we're using yeah.

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um Anticipating.

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A couple you know there's a couple public hearing items, so this is what you're gonna use the timer yep.

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And then Andy was saying when Madison has to recuse herself, just put her in a 10 deal uh put her from panelists to attendee yep. That's the only all right! That's our only option right because.

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Webinars, don't allow for breakout rooms right.

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They don't allow for waiting rooms.

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Yeah, so probably the easiest thing is just to either. You know set her back as an attendee or you know if she, if you think, she's discipline, decided to have her turn her camera microphone off. I'm.

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Going to put you as an attendee Caroline, and let me see what we use.

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Now live on your channel, Test Meeting.

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What was that? Oh.

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Now it's a huge.

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Timer, that's a huge timer! Yes, because I'm talking um how about you start talking there talking talking, it doesn't change! Oh yeah! It does change because I'm now green, I guess I, don't know.

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Is the thing is you're not showing up on that, may be your own view, you're, seeing yourself available.

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So now the alternative: what.

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Do you see I just see the timer?

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It goes back and forth depending on who's. Talking.

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Reference, what are we what's the goal here.

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You want because we see.

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For the attendee yeah.

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For viewers, basically for.

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Viewers I I'd, like them to see gallery view if possible,.

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Don't then don't.

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You you have the.

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Beginning to not have a screen share going.

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Are you screenshot hearing yeah she's, not screen sharing.

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To mute myself make sure I don't speak or else the.

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Okay, the other question is um right. Now, we've only got two parts: two panelists right, you and community room.

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Oh, you just had more than one on the screen: yeah! Oh no! We don't want that.

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Yeah, if I turn Community, if I turn camera on in Zoom for community room, then we start getting the feedback issues yeah.

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Actually, no I.

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Can fix that? Okay.

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That's what we should be seeing if the community room is active.

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And then, if I want to.

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Is that about what you were looking for, for, if you want the the timer going, I mean the problem with an all virtual? Is that we're not going to have anybody in the room.

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Right, this is for people who are in the zoom meeting to see um their time.

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Let me think about this, because um I might be able to find a way of uh getting some sort of a picture in picture with tricaster, but the problem is what I feed into it: I yeah.

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I think it's not.

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Necessarily for the audience, it's more so for the speaker to see my right. Isn't it working then, as it is gonna, be more people in here and taking up little squares yeah. They should be. This should be fine yeah, but the problem is: if I pin myself right, it feels if I pin myself that attendee will only see this is the main screen. Yeah.

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I think so, because I think what a pin does is it throws you back into speaker view. Don't.

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Well, are you pinned right now or not.

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Okay, let's see I'm pinned right now. What do.

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You see, okay, because that that's we're still in gallery view with uh zoom on uh my end for tricaster.

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But I'm on Zoom.

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Just one big timer.

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All right, so all your.

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Is going to do is affect the zoom participants.

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I mean I, honestly back and forth between who's talking. Oh that's right! Okay, regardless, if it's pinned or not so let me unpin, okay regardless, if it's pinned or not, it's still, the speaker view correct. It seems like it because I'm talking now and it's going to change yeah.

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Okay, so I don't think you need a PIN. It.

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Okay, but right now, you're not doing a screen share you're. This is just you with your.

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Back virtual background, that's a video. My video background, yeah.

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And I think that is part of the problem is because, right now, with a virtual background, all you are is just a regular participant in the meeting. You have to keep your voice active to keep that viewable in the zoom participants, at least as far as those.

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That but Jim thinks her camera's on, so it's always going to be on the screen, but.

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The audio is changing and zoom follows the audio with the.

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Camera: okay, like my notes right now see I should be spotlighting myself, let's see because that's what people have done, so let me see if it changes if spotlighted.

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Oh, so the difference between Spotlight and pin okay.

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How does that look same? I mean if I'm talking, oh yeah, it's not changing to um a different view. It's staying on the timer right.

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And now with uh you even took my control away from the the gallery view in um what tricaster is now seeing is the equivalent of a screen share uh where we've got the timer full and then whoever's talking up in the thumbnail.

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Okay is that what's going to be seen on YouTube.

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Yes, because YouTube's being delivered.

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Do you wanted us to be a big old-timer.

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On YouTube and channel 27., so I thought people wanted to see the person talking. That's what the.

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Council you're never going to with an attendee that speaks. If it's public comment, it's an attendee you're, not.

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Going to have their camera on all you're going to just see is their name coming across plus the timer we just read through that in San Bruno. That's all they get because they don't promote the uh at least I. Don't think they promote the people from attendee to panelists to be able to participate, there's some sort of a promotion that goes on to get this week and I think it might be an unmute the microphone or things like that. I've, never seen what happens from the clerk's end on that.

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But I just remember: there was that meeting where they felt like the timer was too big. Should I ask Angel to join us, so maybe does it matter how many panelists there are I think just in general, like the attendees will always see whoever's speaking right.

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I think so, yeah I, don't think I, don't think. Zoom attendees have much of a choice in what they're viewing.

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But when Ingrid spotlights they're going to have the spotlight big, but when you're a panelist, you have the.

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I mean the timer.

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Let me promote you to a panelists now: Caroline, okay and now do you have the option.

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To choose what view you have.

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um Let me turn on.

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I'm on my phone I don't see where I can change my view.

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Oh light bright, yep.

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That's gal review. Oh.

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Okay, so yeah I, guess I swipe right and now I'm in gallery view or I can change it before I was on. My first view is bigger. It looks like okay, how about now I um pinned myself now it's a big old timer in gallery view now you're just like another rectangle, but in speaker. In my other view, on my phone, yes, I mean it goes back and forth between who's speaking and follows the mic.

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But Annie for YouTube and for Channel 27. We should make sure it's in the gallery view.

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Yeah, we can do that. That's easy, I, just I, just shifted out of it briefly here: okay,.

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Well, no now I don't have control over.

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And you right now, I know I'm spotlighting myself into one speaker review. How does it look on your end? Well, it just changed to oh wait that was Andy, I, guess changing to the logo.

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I just see a pin, I mean I, have the option to go in a gallery view on my phone or I'm guessing this is a spotlight for you. I don't have to look at just the spotlight, I guess on my phone.

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But you're still a panelist right, yeah.

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Make the attendee the attendees have to be a panelist in order to see the timer.

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If I don't pin myself I mean.

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If you want to make me an attendee, am I attendee, you can make me an attendee and I can right, because attendees only get to the time.

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Because she's spotlighted.

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That's all Andy's, seeing as an attendee yeah, because I'm the because I'm the speaker of you but you're, also spotlighted and I'm, also spotlighted.

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So if we leave it speaker view on, if you set it for speaker view, but you don't spotlight.

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Yeah I'll remove the spotlight, I saw you removed it, but oh okay,.

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Oh because, now now without the spotlight, what it's doing is it's: what Spotlight does is it tells Zoom? Don't follow the audio with the camera, because what what's when you took Spotlight off- and we started talking here in community room, the community room- video came back as primary for the attendees.

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It's better not to spotlight for.

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If you want them to see the timer constantly, then you have to spotlight, because then anybody else who doesn't mute. If you know, if they're in gallery view or something that, if maybe you know council member, says something or coughs or sneezes or whatever, then it's going to shift temporarily.

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So I make it makes sense to Spotlight it whenever you want the timer to be utilized.

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I would think so yeah and then the attendees are going to get. The timer channel is going to get uh timer plus thumbnail uh for community room or for whatever the channel is going to see and I. We can adjust that.

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Can it be flip-flop like.

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Yeah I can swap those yeah, um but here so that's not gonna. That's that's my promise. If we're in an all virtual meeting.

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Oh, it always has to be community meeting room up there because we're.

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um Well, it depends if Ingrid says something what goes up actually right. Now, it's going to be whatever I put yeah.

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No I see the slide. Yeah I see the logo yeah.

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That's that's the community room presence in Zoom.

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That turns that off.

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And that's what people would see in a zoom yeah.

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Do you have a preference for what people see in the zoom or committee meeting room.

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My preferences, like you, see how it says committee meeting room because he turned and he turned off the camera yeah.

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Would you rather that or the logo.

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He'll be muted.

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We have the option to turn the thumbnail off.

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Yeah, we don't need a thumbnail in the evening room for all of our drum meetings. No.

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It's it'll be it'll, be a kind of a directorial decision for whoever City for the operator who's sitting in here uh to just if it doesn't make. If it's not meaningful, they turn it off yeah. We.

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So I think what um the mayor doesn't like is um she doesn't like to have. This is a huge screen for the attendees to see well.

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And uh no, let.

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Me so for the attendees, maybe I just won't, pin myself, okay.

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Let me ask this: is it always going to be a two minute timer.

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During the public hearing items, that's what I'm trying to figure out for for the mayor it won't. It won't always be two minutes for every meeting but I think for tonight. It will be that.

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Becomes a problem um because if it's going to be a fixed time every time, then what we can do is we can use tricaster to run the timer and I can put that in a picture-in-picture video and we can still leave gallery view up for Zoom.

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Yeah and we need gallery view.

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The problem is that I, if we, if the mayor all of a sudden, decides okay, we want three minutes or we want six minutes or whatever I can't change that sort of thing on the fly right now,.

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You're right, no, it won't.

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How did she uh decide two minutes already without knowing who's coming to meetings like she's, just like two minutes? Sometimes she does one minute yeah.

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I was gonna, say, I mean San Mateo, they judge they decided to like the time. Based on the number of speakers. They.

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What time they wanted to leave the meeting.

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Well, that's how they used to do it in person. They would see like how many slips and divide by yeah that made sense, but you're do you feel confident in doing that tonight.

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Are you, okay, stopping the YouTube and the channel? We don't have to necessarily advertise it. That's.

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True yeah we're gonna, stop the YouTube right now, okay, but we can stay on the zoom.

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Thanks for tuning.