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From YouTube: AUGUST 11 2020 Question Period
Description
The Legislative Assembly of British Columbia
5th Session
41st Parliament
A
A
By
members,
remember:
richmond
queensborough!
Thank
you,
mr
speaker.
Yesterday
we
asked
the
minister
of
citizen
services
about
a
serious
breach
of
security
involving
the
private
medical
records
of
british
columbians.
Even
though
it's
her
file,
she
clearly
did
not
have
the
answers.
The
minister
of
health
then
joined
his
colleague
with
even
more
spin.
Mr
speaker,
documents
provided
to
the
opposition
now
show
that
a
minimum
of
five
thousand
files
were
accessible
to
individuals
located
outside
of
canada,
including
contractors
in
india
to
the
minister
of
citizen
services.
A
C
Honorable
speaker,
it's
very
unfortunate
that
the
member
pursues
this
today.
Yesterday
he
asserted
that
people
had
engaged
in
illegal
activities.
This
is
false.
Yesterday
he
said
that
they
engaged
in
unethical
activity.
This
is
false.
Yesterday
he
claimed
that
the
personal
health
records
of
british
columbia
have
been
shared
outside
of
british
columbia.
This
is
false.
C
Yesterday
he
asserted
he
had
documents
to
support
this
when
he
produced
those
documents
they
showed
no
such
thing
now.
Honorable
speaker,
I
know
that
many
people
would
say
the
statements
of
the
honorable
member
were
so
wildly
inaccurate
that
no
one
would
take
them
seriously
and
that
one
shouldn't
pursue
these
matters,
but
really,
honorable
speaker,
when
you
make
these
statements,
when
you
don't
understand
the
issues
when
you
make
very
serious
allegations
based
on
those
misunderstand
really
all
that's
owed
here
is
an
apology
from
the
honor.
A
Thank
you,
mr
speaker.
You
know
the
minister
of
citizen
services
had
24
hours
to
educate
herself
on
this
file.
Still
to
this
day,
she
has
not
gotten
up
to
answer
number
one.
There
will
be
no
apologies,
mr
speaker,
we
have
copies
of
emails
that
prove
ntt.
Workers
operating
out
of
new
delhi
have
had
direct
access
to
private
medical
information
of
british
columbians.
This
breach
could
have
serious
implications
for
british
columbians
and
it
needs
to
be
investigated
once
again
question
the
minister
of
citizen
services.
C
C
I
offered
yesterday
a
briefing
which,
of
course,
didn't
take
me
up
on
his
statements,
are
false
and
they're
serious
allegations
he's
accused
the
provincial
health
services
authority,
ntt
canada,
the
ministry
of
health
and
presumably
myself
and
others
of
illegal
and
unethical
activity.
That's
what
he
did
on
the
record
if
he
was
asking
questions
about
the
contract,
which
is
a
completely
legitimate
thing
to
do.
C
That
would
be
another
thing,
an
honorable
speaker,
that's
what
he
did
and
he
has
no
evidence,
and
so
honorable
speaker
that
he
persists
in
this
is
a
demonstration
I
think,
and
an
embarrassment
every
member
on
the
opposition
side,
we're
dealing
with
serious
matters
in
this
province
right
now,
and
there
is
no
evidence
here
and
he
knows
it-
the
evidence
he
produced
yesterday
showed
the
opposite
of
what
he
suggested.
It
is
false
what
he's
saying
with
respect
to
illegal
activity.
C
A
Thank
you,
mr
speaker.
Here's
the
quote
from
rahu
from
india
quote
my
shift.
Time
is
over
here
in
india.
Could
you
please
reassign
this
to
some
resource
in
canadian
time
zone?
To
take
care
of
this
end
quote
now,
when
you
looked
at
linkedin,
there
is
a
rahu
aurora
who
is
title
is
servicenow
architect
for
ntt
data,
india,
enterprises
in
new
delhi,
india.
Now
yesterday
the
minister
continues
to
maintain
that
foreign
workers
were
used
for
technical
issues,
not
clinical
work.
A
What
he
doesn't
mention
is
that,
once
a
tactical
service
desk
takes
control
of
a
healthcare
workers
computer,
they
can
see
all
the
information.
The
system
is
called
active
directory
access,
actor
directory
access
helps
organize
a
company's
users
and
computers.
I
t
admin
uses
active
directory
access
to
organize
a
company's
complete
hierarchy
from
which
computers
belong,
on
which
network
in
layman's
terms.
Mr
speaker,
it's
a
system
where
all
the
health
authorities
share
their
data
and
applications,
meaning
mr
aurora
from
ntt,
india
and
other
workers
at
ntt
usa
now
have
access
into
our
health
information
system.
A
C
Honorable
speaker,
naturally,
when
a
question
such
as
this
is
asked
in
the
legislature,
we
asked
detailed
information
of
people
at
phsa
people
at
ntt,
canada
and
they
state
categorically
and
without
equivocation
the
private
health
of
information.
British
claimants
has
not
been
shared
and
they
actually
have
specific
procedures
to
ensure
that
that
does
not
happen.
Yesterday,
I
offered
to
the
member
a
briefing
on
said
matter
so
that
he
could
inform
himself
a
briefing
of
course,
which
he's
not
interested
in
because
he's
not
interested
in
that,
but
these
allegations,
honorable
speak
without
substantiation,
are
really
shameful.
C
I,
I
think,
they're
shameful.
I
take
these
issues
very
seriously.
I
think
most
members
of
the
house
do
the
suggestion
that
the
personal
health
information
for
british
columbians
would
be
left
exposed
in
this
way
is
a
serious
allegation
to
make,
but
it
is
not
a
true
allegation
and
all
of
the
people
involved
phsa
at
ntt
canada
at
the
ministry
of
health,
have
given
specific
and
comprehensive
assurances
of
this.
Now.
If
the
member
is
interested
in
the
contract,
in
spite
of
his
frankly
irresponsible
behavior
here
and
he
speaks
of
ineptitude.
C
Honorable
speaker,
I
mean
marvel
speaker.
This
is
a
very
low
standard-
indeed,
it's
being
set
here
in
this
house
at
a
very
serious
moment
for
british
columbians
honorable
speaker
and
we'll
continue
to
offer
such
a
briefing.
But
I
think
honorable,
speaker,
what's
old,
to
the
people
involved,
who
take
these
issues
very
seriously,
is
an
apology
from
the
honorable
member.
He
didn't
have
the
goods
yesterday
and
he
doesn't
have
the
goods
today.
D
D
What
is
surprising,
though,
is
that
the
minister,
whose
statutory
responsibility
for
attending
to
protecting
privacy
investigating
allegations
of
breaches
of
privacy
would
be
sidelined
and
precluded
from
addressing
the
issue
is
profoundly
disappointing
and
surprising.
A
few
months
ago,
the
premier
sent
a
letter
to
the
member,
the
then
member
for
burnaby
deer
lake
appointing
her
to
the
cabinet,
and
he
said,
amongst
other
things,
that
her
job
was
to
ensure
that
british
columbians
personal
information
be
safeguarded.
That
was
the
mandate
in
the
letter.
It's
also
a
statutory
responsibility
of
the
minister
for
citizen
services.
D
Now
the
previous
minister
for
citizen
services
had
difficulty
living
by
the
rules
she
was
charged
with
enforcing
mr
speaker,
but
we
have
a
new
minister
of
citizen
services.
So
I
guess
my
question
is
to
the
premier.
C
Honorable
speaker,
I
guess
the
opposition
wants
to
double
down
on
personal
attacks.
They
made
an
allegation,
a
specific
allegation.
Yesterday
about
illegal
activity,
they
made
a
specific
allegation
about
unethical
activity
and
that
allegation
is
false.
C
And
yes,
I'm
the
minister
responsible
honorable
speaker,
the
people
who
they're
accusing
the
people,
the
provincial
health
services
authority,
the
people
in
the
ministry
of
health
people
at
ntt.
Canada
take
this
seriously
and
I
take
it
seriously.
Mark
will
speak,
and
now
we
have
this
game
about
who
answers.
What
in
question
creates
all
they
have
as
they
continue
to
engage
in
these
practices
and
it's
profoundly
disappointing.
C
You
know
speaker,
I
offered
them
a
briefing
yesterday,
so
they
could
learn
that
they
weren't
interested
in
that
not
interested
in
the
fact
honorable
speaker,
they're,
doubling
down
on
this
sort
of
terrible
personal
attack,
which
seems
to
be
the
stock
and
trade
these
days
in
politics,
and
I
find
it
very,
very,
very
disappointing,
honorable
speaker
and
not
acceptable
conduct
on
the
part
of
any
member
of
this
legislature.
C
D
Thank
you,
mr
speaker.
What
is
profoundly
disappointing
is
the
lack
of
regard
this
minister
and
apparently
this
premier
has
for
the
legal
requirements
that
exist
around
privacy
protection
in
the
province
of
british
columbia,
and
forgive
me
and
forgive
us
if
we
don't
accept
at
face
value.
The
assurance
of
the
minister
who
lies
at
the
center
of
the
alleged
brief
it
happened
at
breach.
It
happened
on
his
watch.
That's
why
we
have
a
separate
minister
who
has
responsibility
specific
statutory
responsibility
for
privacy
protection.
D
The
questions
remain
the
same.
Confronted
by
the
evidence
that
has
been
presented,
the
statements
and
emails
from
foreign
jurisdictions
like
india,
the
confirmation
of
5
000
files
that
access
to
personal
health
files
was
provided
outside
of
canada.
There
are
laws
in
british
columbia
that
preclude
that
that
forbid,
that
from
happening-
and
there
are
also
requirements
that
the
minister
responsible
for
those
laws,
the
minister
of
citizen
services,
take
specific
action
like
notifying
the
privacy
commission
and
notifying
british
columbians,
whose
information
might
have
been
accessible.
Has
any
of
that
occurred
if
it
hasn't
occurred?
C
Well,
honorable,
speaker
again,
they
have
no
evidence
because
there
is
no
evidence,
the
people
of
the
phsa
operated
normally
and
honorably.
In
this
instance,
the
evidence
they
claim
to
have
doesn't
show
what
they
say
it
is,
and
yet
they
continue
to
smear
people
for
no
good
reason-
and
I
suppose
that's
an
approach,
honorable
speaker
to
be
in
opposition-
you
just
keep
repeating
it.
You
know
and
hopes
that
somebody
will
pick
it
up
and
give
it
some
legs
or
something
like
this.
C
This
is
the
state
of
things
in
this
day
and
age,
but
I
I
don't
think
that's
true.
I
think
that
people
have
shown
that
that's
not
the
state
of
this
and
that
we
have
to
do
better
than
that,
and
we
have
to
follow
the
facts
and
the
evidence
and
that's
what
we
try
and
do
it
is
extremely
disappointing,
but
instead
of
an
apology
today,
the
member
for
abbotsford
west
members,
richmond
queens,
continue
to
attack
public
servants
in
this
way,
the
charges
for
which
they
have
no
evidence
and
which
aren't
true.
C
So
all
I
can
say,
honourable
speaker,
is
that's
disappointing
and
really
this
display,
which
is
unfortunate,
says
more
about
the
people
making
the
allegations
than
anything
else.
E
E
E
Now
the
price
tag
is
unknown,
but
we
know
it's
going
to
be
much
higher
than
10
billion
dollars.
Site
c
is
proving
to
be
a
colossal
waste
of
money
and
we
can't
afford
to
just
keep
digging
when
we
don't
know
how
deep
the
hole
will
go.
My
question
is
to
the
minister
of
energy
mines
and
petroleum
resources.
How
much
is
too
much?
E
F
Thank
you,
mr
speaker,
and
thank
the
interim
leader
of
the
third
party
for
the
question
in
considering
an
answer
to
the
question
that
has
been
posed.
I
think
it's
important
to
recall
that
the
previous
government,
the
old
government,
recklessly
pushed
the
sightseeing
project
past
the
point
of
no
return.
F
F
Thank
you,
mr
speaker.
They
signed
off
on
a
design
that
included
geological
risks
and
they
spent
billions
of
dollars
without
proper
oversight
in
their
efforts
to
push
this
project
past
the
point
of
no
return
in
2017.
In
the
summer
of
2017,
we
inherited
a
project
facing
significant
cost
pressures,
but
we
were
managing
them.
We
are
now
facing
geological
risks
in
the
design
that
the
old
government
approved.
F
In
addition,
the
global
cova
19
pandemic
has
created
unforeseen
challenges
to
the
site
c
project
in
march
bc,
hydro,
significantly
scaled
down
the
project
and
focused
only
on
essential
work
and
meeting
critical
milestones.
This
was
done
in
line
with
advice
from
the
provincial
health
officer
to
ensure
the
safety
of
workers
and
communities.
F
E
There
was
a
commitment
to
send
this
to
the
bcuc
to
review
the
project
which
suggested
that
it
was
not
past
the
point
of
no
return
or
else.
Why
would
we
send
it
to
the
bcuc
to
review
the
project
to
now
state
that
it
was
past
the
point
of
no
return
and
to
put
this
burden
on
the
shoulders
of
the
previous
government
to
try
to
absolve
the
responsibility
of
this
house
that
currently
exists
in
this
place
is
not
acceptable.
E
This
project
was
not
past
the
point
of
no
return
because
we
continue
it
continues
to
this
day
and
we
have
to
we.
We
have
to
recognize
the
fact
that
we
are
just
throwing
good
money
after
bat
on
this
project
in
december
2019,
the
overall
health
of
the
sightsee
project
was
red,
and
that
was
due
to
the
serious
geotechnical
instability
concerns
and
contract
disputes.
E
E
E
F
Thank
you
very
much,
mr
speaker.
The
member
raises
legitimate
questions
about
the
cost
and
schedule
of
the
site
c
project
and
obviously,
as
the
minister
responsible,
this
is
a
topic
I
am
deeply
concerned
about
and
that's
why
I
asked
peter
millburn
in
his
role
as
a
special
adviser
to
work
with
bc,
hydro
to
help
provide
fresh
eyes
and
and
answers
to
the
the
challenges
faced
by
the
site
c
project.
F
These
have
worsened
in
part
in
large
part
due
to
the
global
cobia
19
pandemic,
and
there
is,
as
a
result
of
the
pandemic,
the
scaling
down
of
the
work
on
the
project
and
the
scaling
backup,
pc
hydro,
is
undertaking
a
re-baselining
analysis
of
the
project,
and
this
involves
reviewing
the
cost
and
the
time
required
to
complete
the
remaining
work
for
the
project.
This
will
help
our
government
understand
the
true
impact
of
it
has
had
on
the
budget.
I
anticipate
being
able
to
provide
an
update
on
cost
projections
later
this
fall.
G
Thank
you,
honorable
speaker.
When
we
first
asked
the
minister
of
education.
If
parents
could
expect
clarity
on
his
government's
back
to
school
plan
on
before
august
20th,
he
said
yes
and
since
then
he's
broken
that
promise
to
parents,
students
and
teachers.
There
are
now
more
questions
and
concerns
than
ever
before.
The
premier's
added
to
this
confusion.
Now
by
saying
he's
not
sure
when
classes
will
start
the
minister
said
august
26
is
when
parents
can
expect
confirmation
if
students
will
return
to
class
the
following
week.
G
H
Thank
you,
mr
speaker,
and
thank
you
to
the
member
for
the
question.
What
we've
outlined-
and
this
is
in
working
with
the
entire
school
system
working
with
the
provincial
health
office,
is
a
way
to
restart
schools
safely
september,
8th
in
the
province
of
british
columbia.
We've
been
working
on
this
since
march,
and
our
june
restart
committee
has
been
working
for
weeks
on
this.
H
They
deserve
our
thanks
not
only
for
the
hard
work
that
they're
doing,
but
for
the
communications
and
the
information
that
is
coming
to
parents
about
what
things
will
look
like
specifically
and
that's
what
parents
want.
They
want
local,
specific
information,
and
I
understand
that
and
they
should
be.
They
should
rest
assured
that
we
have
the
innovative
minds
of
school
leadership
in
every
part
of
the
province
working
on
just
that
now.
H
The
members
question,
I
think,
is
specifically
around
what
day
students
will
actually
return
to
class,
and
I
have
to
say
that
we're
looking
at
a
very
different
september
than
in
previous
years
previously,
students
would
come
back
into
class,
usually
with
their
previous
years.
Teachers
wait
a
few
days
for
school
to
be
organized
for
the
coming
school
year.
We
can't
do
that
in
a
pandemic.
That
would
not
be
in
compliance
with
the
bccdc
guidelines.
H
So
you
will
hear
an
announcement
in
the
coming
days
clearly
about
what
what
september
8th
will
look
like
for
staff
teams,
including
support
staff
principals
and
vice
principals
and
the
teaching
staff
coming
back
into
the
school
and
making
sure
that
kids
are
organized
into
the
classes
where
they
will
be
with
their
peers
in
any
unit
to
design
that
is
designed
to
limit
student
interactions
and
that,
if
that
takes
some
extra
time
and
builds
additional
confidence
and
fulfills
the
guidelines
that
have
been
developed
by
dr
bonnie
henry
and
her
team.
G
Thank
you,
mr
speaker.
Unfortunately,
the
only
thing
that
we
did
see
on
july
29th
was
the
minister
kicking
the
can
down
the
road
and
laying
all
the
responsibility
onto
school
districts.
There
was
no
plan
given
on
august
29th
or
july
29th,
and
that
is
part
of
the
problem.
The
minister
is
not
accepting
any
responsibility
for
this.
It's
always
the
committee
has
to
do
something
to
sort
it
out.
It's
up
to
school
districts,
it's
up
to
parents
to
make
a
plan.
G
Parents
are
under
a
tremendous
amount
of
anxiety
this
morning,
and
just
now
the
minister
said,
maybe
only
teachers
will
be
back
in
the
class
on
september,
8th
again,
parents
have
enough
tremendous
amount
of
stress
that
they're
dealing
with
they're
looking
for
leadership
from
this
minister
they're.
Looking
for
leadership
from
this
government
on
what
september
8th
looks
like
plans
have
to
be
made
by
parents
by
families.
G
H
Thank
you
and
thank
you
to
the
member
for
the
the
question.
What
we
have
provided
at
the
highest
level
in
this
province
is
strong,
effective,
science-based
leadership,
every
step
of
the
way
for
every
sector
of
bc
society,
including
schools.
The
way
we've
done.
It
has
been
a
collaborative
approach
working
with
every
professional
and
parent
organizations
and
stakeholder
in
the
k-12
education
system.
H
To
do
this
safely,
we're
doing
it
in
a
very
similar
manner
to
what
you're,
seeing
in
other
jurisdictions,
including
other
canadian
provinces
and
european
jurisdictions,
where
the
ministry
is
in
close
coordination
with
and
we're
doing
it
safely,
we're
doing
it
in
a
way
that
will
allow
a
phased
re-entry
of
students
into
school.
If
we
have
to
use
that
first
week
of
school
to
get
it
right
and
districts
are
saying,
look
we
need
some
time
with
our
local
administrative
teams
on
the
ground.
That's
a
conversation,
that's
happening
at
the
steering
committee.
H
H
We
will
communicate
what
that
looks
like
because
we
do
want
to
have
consistency
across
the
60
school
districts
in
our
province
and
and
look
we've
got
a
lot
of
experts
looking
at
how
we
can
do
this
best
and
we're
hearing
and
respecting
from
the
teaching
profession
from
support
staff
that
they
want
the
schools
to
be
organized
and
done
in
a
way
that
is
in
full
compliance
with
the
new
bccdc
guidelines.
I
Mr
speaker,
the
minister
of
education,
promised
clarity
to
parents
by
the
end
of
july,
and
so
far
all
he
has
delivered
in
august
is
chaos.
And
to
add
to
that
chaos,
I
have
a
constituent
whose
child
has
always
been
able
to
ride
the
bus
to
school
and
to
before
and
after
school
care.
But
this
year
the
school
district
has
informed
her
that
it
won't
happen
as
they
try
to
adapt
to
the
guidance
from
the
ministry
of
education
in
terms
of
capacity
for
buses.
I
H
Well,
I'll
have
to
take
part
of
that
question
on
notice,
because
I
I
don't
have
the
specific
details
that
the
member
raises,
but
let
me
be
clear:
transportation
is
fully
funded
as
it
is
in
any
year
for
school,
buses
will
look
different
under
pandemic.
School
will
look
different
under
a
pandemic.
We
have
very
clear
guidelines
and
changes
physically.
That
will
happen
in
buildings.
H
We
have
health
and
safety
measures
that
have
to
be
adhered
to,
that
students
have
to
learn,
not
just
professional
staff
and
those
who
work
in
our
school
system
to
keep
schools
as
controlled
sites
in
our
community.
These
are
valuable
institutions
for
everyone
in
british
columbia.
We
want
to
restore
in-class
instruction
after
an
almost
six-month
absence
for
most
families
and
students
in
british
columbia.
H
That's
why
we
flatten
the
curve
in
british
columbia.
That's
why
we're
doing
everything
we're
doing
in
terms
of
our
robust
public
health
response
across
this
province.
So
I
will
take
I'll
await
some
more
details
from
the
member
about
specifically
what
the
communication
has
been
from
her
district
to
this
family.
H
I
Thank
you.
Mr
speaker,
parents
are
already
struggling
around
the
challenges
around
the
pandemic
and
this
minister
continues
to
make
the
situation
worse
for
parents
and
families
around
this
province.
The
school
district
is
simply
following
the
guidelines
that
were
laid
out
by
this
ministry
now
he's
throwing
the
school
district
under
the
bus,
but
it
falls
squarely
on
his
lap
quote
the
district
adapted
the
bus
capacity
to
meet
the
restrictions
that
were
put
in
place.
End
quote
so
simple
question
to
the
minister:
he
knows
that
there
needs
to
be
a
plan.
I
Parents
are
waiting
for
a
plan
we're
at
the
middle
of
august
almost
we're
weeks
away
from
the
restart.
There
were
expectations
from
parents
that
children
would
be
going
back
to
school.
Did
he
not
have
a
thought
or
a
plan
in
place
for
busing
and
how
those
children
would
get
to
school?
When
is
he
going
to
fix
the
problem?
So
parents
don't
have
to
worry
about
how
the
children
are
going
to
get
to
school.
H
H
We
announced
in
the
additional
funding
that
we're
providing
to
the
school
system
this
year,
more
money
to
hire
additional
custodians,
deep
cleaning
procedures,
personal
protective
equipment
for
students
and
staff
in
for
every
student
and
staff
member
in
the
province
additional
hand,
washing
stations
where
required
in
schools.
H
There
are
supplies
that
are
being
funded
directly
by
the
ministry
of
education
in
acknowledgment
that
there
are
some
additional
cost
pressures
related
to
the
safe
reopening
of
schools
during
this
pandemic,
the
funding
for
transportation
in
british
columbia
has
gone
up
steadily
since
we
formed
government
districts
are
planning
for
the
most
part
and
I'm
again
happy
to
look
into
this
particular
question:
a
resumption
of
safe
transportation
practices
when
we
get
back
to
school
in
september.
So
that
is
what
we're
hearing
in
terms
of
reports
from
around
the
province.
H
Transportation
obviously
is
critical
for
many
families
and
students.
It's
going
to
be
done
differently.
That
is
correct.
It's
going
to
be
done
according
to
the
new
safe
health
and
safety
protocols
that
we
developed,
and
that's
that's
essential
to
maintain
that
service,
to
get
students
to
and
from
school.
B
J
J
K
Thank
you
honorable
speaker,
and
thank
you
to
the
member
for
the
question.
K
We
have
been
providing
actions
responding
to
this
crisis
during
this
pandemic
since
day,
one
we
have
provided
temporary
emergency
funding
and
we
have
already
invested
over
250
million
dollars
to
make
sure
providers
can
continue
to
operate,
and
providers
who
are
closed
can
continue
to
come
back
in
services
and
we've
seen
that
happening
during
the
past
few
months,
and
especially
the
past
few
weeks
are,
as
we
are
seeing
more
child
care
providers
coming
back
to
opening
up
their
spaces
and
more
parents
are
also
returning
to
work
because
they're
only
they
are
able
to
get
the
child
care
services
they
need
and
as
we're
looking
towards
september,
we'll
continue
to
work
with
public
health
to
make
sure
there's
health
and
safety
standards
to
ensure
that
child
care
can
continue
to
operate
at
the
end,
the
same
time,
working
with
the
sector,
working
with
providers
and
working
with
early
childhood
educators,
and
also
our
local
child
care
resource
referral
centers,
who
have
been
providing
matching
services
for
parents
to
be
able
to
get
the
child
care
services
they
need.