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From YouTube: NOVEMBER 3 2021 Question Period
Description
The Legislative Assembly of British Columbia
2nd Session
42nd Parliament
C
That
is
jennifer's
story.
That
is
jenna
bell's
story.
It's
not
the
words
of
the
opposition.
Those
are
not
my
words.
So
will
the
minister
stand
up
today,
speak
to
jennifer,
to
jenna
bell
and
their
family
and
explain
why
she
has
made
the
decision
to
claw
back
essential
funding
that
jenna
bell
needs
and
deserves.
D
This
is
not
a
clawback
honorable
speaker
and
I
can
assure
families
like
the
the
family
that
has
been
mentioned
this
morning,
that
services
will
be
available
to
all
children
and
youth
who
need
them
across
the
province
in
their
communities
and
services
will
be
available
based
on
need.
They
won't
be
locked
behind
a
diagnosis
and
we
have
three
years
to
support
families
in
transitioning,
and
we
will
do
everything
we
can
to
make
sure
that
that
is
the
success.
C
Well,
thank
you
very
much
and
the
minister
may
have
convinced
herself
that
this
is
not
a
clawback,
but
let's
look
at
what's
happening
here:
parents,
thousands
of
them
across
british
columbia,
receive
support.
They
get
to
decide
how
best
to
support
their
families
and
their
children,
and
this
minister
has
decided
that
that
is
going
to
change
that
to
the
ministers
to
the
minister's
answer
is
defined
as
a
clawback.
What
they
have
now
they
will
not
receive.
C
They
will
not
have
the
ability
to
make
decisions
for
their
own
children
to
retain
the
connections
that
they
have
put
in
place.
Megan
kane
from
coquitlam
wanted
the
minister
to
know
about
the
impacts
of
her
decision
on
her
four-year-old
son.
She
writes,
and
I
quote,
my
son
is
just
about
the
happiest
sweetest
most
loving
little
person.
You
could
ever
possibly
imagine.
C
C
This
announcement
has
re-traumatized
families
and
the
way
it
was
done
was
unimaginably,
cruel.
End
quote
again:
those
aren't
my
words.
The
minister
can
ignore
mine.
She
can
dismiss
the
comments
of
the
opposition,
but
she
can't
dismiss
the
comments
of
megan
about
her
four-year-old
son.
So
will
the
minister
once
again
stand
up
and
would
she
give
those
parents
some
hope
that
she
will
reverse
the
decision
that
she
made,
because
it
had
zero
consultation
with
the
very
families
that
it
will
impact.
D
Thank
you,
honourable
speaker,
and
thank
you
to
the
member
for
the
question.
It's
very
important
to
listen
to
families
and-
and
I
want
to
reassure
this
house
that
there
are
no
clawbacks
in
the
new
system
that
will
be
delivered,
whereas
in
2001,
when
the
opposition
became
government,
they
gutted
my
ministry
honorable
speaker,
they
cut
15
million
dollars
from
services
that.
D
C
Thanks,
mr
speaker,
I'm
not
sure
the
minister
has
any
idea
of
how
the
words
that
she
says
in
this
house
every
day
the
impact
they
have
on
those
families
and
to
be
perfectly
clear,
the
model
that
thousands
of
parents
are
standing
up
to
defend.
I
would
remind
the
minister
that
was
a
model
created
by
the
former
government
in
significant
consultation
over
a
period
of
years
in
order
to
deliver
it.
C
The
minister
talks
about
listening
to
families.
Perhaps
she
should
have
thought
about
that
before
she
made
the
announcement,
because
autism
bc
has
clearly
said
this
minister
did
not
talk
to
them
about
decisions
that
are
going
to
change
the
way
services
provided
to
their
children
and
the
uncertainty
isn't
just
for
a
short
period
of
time.
C
Let's
drag
out
that
process
for
three
years.
While
this
these
families
try
to
sort
out,
what's
gonna
happen
to
them,
here's
what
else
megan
had
to
say
and
the
members
can
can
can
heckle
across
the
aisle.
These
are
the
words
of
thousands
of
families
across
british
columbia,
who
woke
up
one
morning
to
a
surprise.
Announcement
from
this
minister
that
turned
their
lives
upside
down.
C
The
blatant
lack
of
community
consultation
and
critical
thought
that
went
into
this
decision
would
be
laughable
if
it
wasn't
so
utterly
devastating
going
after
disabled
kids,
mothers
and
female
business
owners
is
appalling.
End
quote
the
members
opposite
can
groan
all
they
want.
Those
are
megan's
words
and
the
words
of
thousands
of
british
colombians
they
may
want
to
dismiss
them,
but
members
of
the
opposition
will
remember.
C
So
a
simple
request
to
the
minister:
she
has
a
chance
today
to
do
the
right
thing.
She
could
stand
up
and
give
those
families
the
respect
they
deserve
by
reversing
the
decision
and
making
a
commitment
to
talk
to
families
in
british
columbia
before
she
alters
the
services
that
they
have
been
providing
to
their
children
for
years.
Will
she
simply
do
the
right
thing
today.
D
Oh,
thank
you
honorable
speaker
and
I
will
reassure
families
today
that
we
are
listening
to
them.
We
have
been
listening
to
them.
We
will
continue
to
listen
to
them.
We
will
deliver
services
for
their
children
throughout
the
province.
I
hear
from
lots
of
families,
honourable
speaker
who
say
they
don't
know
where
to
find
help.
They
can't
navigate
help
and
they
don't
have
the
capacity
to
set
up
a
suite
of
services
for
their
child
members.
We
will,
let's.
D
System
that
is
a
safety
net
for
families
so
that
they
will
be
supported
in
creating
and
co-co-designing
those
services
for
their
children
on
a
day-to-day
basis.
I
know
that
families
have
scrambled
to
put
together
those
services,
so
we
will
continue
to
support
those
families
as
we
implement
the
new
service
framework
we're
putting
children
and
youth
at
the
center.
We
make
different
choices,
we're
investing
in
children
and
youth,
and
I
will
inform
all
members
of
this
house.
E
E
Stella
is
one
of
many
autism
service
providers
who
have
contacted
me
and
are
worried
about
how
therapies
will
be
handled.
She
writes
quote.
I
was
blindsided
by
this
announcement
and
am
very
concerned
with
the
proposed
changes
under
the
hub
system.
Parents
no
longer
get
to
choose
their
own
therapists
and
there's
no
guarantee
that
each
child
will
receive
an
adequate
amount
of
funding
on
therapy.
E
D
You,
honorable
speaker,
thank
you
to
the
member
for
the
question
in
the
new
system.
What
families
will
be
able
to
do
as
soon
as
they
identify
there's
a
developmental
delay
or
they
have
a
concern
about
their
child
they'll,
be
able
to
walk
into
a
center,
get
connected
straight
away
with
a
key
worker
and
then
work
with
the
team.
Their
multi-disciplinary
team
they'll
be
physiotherapists.
Occupational
therapists
speech,
therapists,
mental
health
clinicians,
so
they
will
be
co-designing.
The
plan
of
services.
D
Children
and
youth
that
will
be
continually
under
review.
Honourable
speaker,
I
can
tell
you,
as
someone
who
has
worked
in
the
field
for
30
years,
that
we
know
that
we
serve
children
and
youth
better
with
multi-disciplinary
teams
with
no
barrier
to
access
to
services
and
putting
children
and
youth
at
the
center,
so
that
we
make
sure
that
we
help
them
thrive
and
flourish
and
we
set
them
on
a
successful
pathway.
E
B
E
E
That
is
not.
That
is,
however,
not
what
the
hub
system
is
doing.
Corrine
heisler
from
north
vancouver,
says
quote.
What
I'm
failing
to
understand
is
why
the
government
needs
to
take
away
a
model
that
is
working
for
families
of
children
with
autism
in
order
to
support
all
children
and
not
build
upon
the
existing
system.
E
D
D
We're
building
a
system
we're
actually
creating
a
safety
net
for
children,
youth
and
we're
reducing
barriers.
We're
not
locking
services
behind
two
years
of
waiting
for
a
diagnosis,
we're
delivering
those
services
there
and
then
many
families
with
children.
Youth
with
autism
tell
us
they
can't
find
services,
and
the
pandemic
has
really
highlighted
for
us
how
fragile
that
those
services
are
that
families
weren't
able
to
receive
them
during
covert
I'd
like
to
quote
from
tracy
humphreys,
founder
and
chair
of
bc,
ed
access.
D
F
F
D
D
D
We
just
announced
10
million
dollars
in
the
at-home
program
for
essential
equipment
like
wheelchairs
and
lifts
which,
at
that
that
program
had
not
seen
an
increase
in
20
years.
Honorable
speaker.
F
Stacy
swanson
has
two
children,
one
with
a
full
diagnosis
on
the
spectrum
and
another
on
the
wait
list.
She
says,
and
I
quote,
how
the
heck
are
we
able
to
support
our
children
in
succeeding
if
we
cannot
afford
to
pay
for
supports
and
therapies
with
our
providers
that
we
have
built
a
trusted
relationship
with
our
government
is
failing
many
many
families
end
quote:
can
the
minister
tell
stacey
why
she's
clawing
back
her
funding.
B
B
Member
for
caribou
north-
thank
you,
mr
speaker.
Deidra
has
two
children
diagnosed
with
autism
and
she
says,
and
I
quote,
the
government
cannot
take
away
my
children's
funding
to
give
support
to
others.
They
need
to
create
supports
for
those
without
a
diagnosis,
but
they
can't
take
away
my
children's
support.
D
Honorable
speaker,
thank
you.
Well,
our
government
has
made
different
choices.
We
are
investing
in
children
and
youth.
We
have
invested
in
children,
youth
with
support
needs
since,
but
since
forming
government
in
2017
in
every
single
budget,
since
2017,
we
have
increased
funding
in
2019,
we
increased
ongoing
funding
for
respite
by
6.3
million
dollars.
D
D
We're
also
investing
10
million
dollars
in
the
at
home
program
with
the
for
the
medical
benefits,
which
is
including
wheelchairs
special
devices
that
help
children
get
by
on
a
day-to-day
basis.
B
D
We
begin
our
implementation
of
the
framework.
We
will
make
sure
that
we
invest
in
delivering
those
services
and
creating
a
successful
system.
G
Thank
you,
mr
speaker.
I've
received
hundreds
of
emails
over
the
past
summer
about
our
provincial
police,
service
and
accountability.
The
emails
are
largely
in
response
to
acts
of
police
aggression
that
we've
seen
in
british
columbia.
I
think
that
all
the
members
of
this
house
have
seen
the
visuals
of
these
instances
on
social
media
this
summer.
They
are
horrifying.
G
G
There's
a
great
deal
of
confusion
about
what
the
role
of
the
minister
of
public
safety
and
solicitor
general's
responsibility
is
with
respect
to
our
provincial
police
services
in
part,
because
the
minister
himself
has
said
he
does
not
direct
the
police,
but
the
police
have
to
be
accountable
to
someone
in
british
columbia.
Mr
speaker,
my
question
is
to
the
minister
of
public
safety
and
solicitor
general.
What
are
the
minister's
responsibilities
with
respect
to
the
provincial
police
service
in
british
columbia.
H
Thank
you,
honorable
speaker,
and
I
appreciate
the
question
from
the
member
and,
as
the
member
will
know,
the
solicitor
general
is
responsible,
for
example,
for
overseeing
the
police
act
in
this
province.
What
he
should
also
know
is
that
politicians,
and,
in
particular,
minister,
the
social
solicitor
general,
does
not
direct
police
in
terms
of
how
they
operationalize
the
issues
that
they
are
dealing
with.
H
I
can
also
tell
the
member
that,
because
he
will
obviously
refer
to
the
the
the
court
case,
that
that
again
is
also
under
under
review
under
appeal
at
this
particular
point
in
time,
and
that
will
will
continue,
but
there
are
numerous
mechanisms
where
the
police,
complaints,
commissioner,
or
the
independent
investigations
officer
that
deal
with
actions
of
police,
and
you
know
if
he
wants
a
briefing
I'm
more
than
happy
to
have
my
my
ministry.
Give
him
a
briefing
on
that.
G
Yeah,
thank
you.
I
didn't
talk
about
the
the
the
court
case,
the
court
action
we
have
been
seeing
increasing
our
cmp
aggression
across
the
province
in
recent
years.
We've
seen
numbers
of
incidences,
increasing
incidences
in
all
parts
of
the
province.
Frankly,
mr
speaker,
and
over
a
number
of
of
resource
development
issues.
The
reality
is,
mr
speaker,
that,
as
part
of
the
provincial
police
contract
police
services
contract,
the
minister
has
a
responsibility
with
in
the
objectives
to
set
the
objectives,
priorities
and
goals
of
the
provincial
police
service.
G
My
question
through
you,
honorable
speaker,
is
to
the
minister.
Has
the
minister
made
clear
within
those
objectives,
priorities
and
goals
that
are
in
his
direct
responsibility
under
the
provincial
police
services
agreement
that
the
provincial
police
service
must
respect
the
freedom
of
the
press
and
the
civil
liberties
of
british
columbians.
H
Solicitor
general.
Thank
you
honorable
speaker.
We
fully
expect
the
police
to
to
respect
civil
liberties
and
they
have
a
very
difficult
job
and,
as
we
know,
there
are
processes
in
place
procedures
in
place
protocols
in
place
that,
if
individuals
are
concerned
about
actions
of
the
police
that
they
that
they
they
can
take
those
protocols-
and
we
have
seen
honorable
speaker,
you
know
significant
demonstrations
and
protests
police
deal
with
very
difficult
situations.
H
We
have
seen
where
the
police
have
had
to
deal
with
in
the
case
of
one
protest
area
having
to
assist
in
removing
more
than
five
tons
of
garbage.
Much
of
it,
including
human
waste
left
behind
by
protesters.
That's
been
part
of
the
challenge
that
they
have
had
to
face.
H
Honorable
speaker,
we
have
seen
situations
where
police
have
been
confronted
by
people,
individuals
who
have
brought
a
urine
soaked
bag
full
of
candies
to
the
police,
a
ten-year-old
girl
accompanied
by
parents
who
went
up
to
to
police
at
a
protest
and
gave
them
a
urine
soaked
bag.
As
I
said,
the
police
have
a
very
challenging
and
difficult
job
to
do.
They
do
it
to
the
best
of
their
ability.
If
there
are
issues
there
are
processes
and
protocols
in
place
that
people
can
follow
and
they
do.
A
Thank
you,
mr
speaker.
Well,
the
minister
can
try
to
deflect,
but
the
language
she's
using
transitioning.
That
means
moving
to
a
different
state.
That
means
not
doing
the
same
thing
we've
done
before.
That
means
clawing
back
choice
from
parents,
melissa,
crowhurst
says,
and
I
quote:
I
have
three
severely
autistic.
Let's.
A
Let
me
start
again
there,
mr
speaker,
melissa
crowhurst,
says,
and
I
quote:
I
have
three
severely
autistic
children
and
an
excellent
team
of
therapists
and
service
providers.
Moving
to
a
situation
where
we
have
no
control
over
who
provides
services
will
set
us
back,
listen
to
the
people
who
are
living
this
life.
We
are
the
experts.
End
quote,
the
minister
is
ignoring
the
voices
of
those
who
have
direct
experience
with
autism.
Will
she
listen
to
melissa
and
stop
the
clawback.
D
Thank
you,
honourable
speaker.
I
want
to
take
this
opportunity
to
reassure
families
across
british
columbia
that
we're
building
a
system
that
is
much
more
responsive
to
the
needs
of
children
and
youth
with
support
needs.
We
know
that
when
a
child
needs
help
with
with
speech
or
with
language
or
with
their
behavior
or
with
hearing,
they
can't
afford
to
wait
for
a
delay.
D
If
it,
you
have
a
three
or
a
four-year-old
and
you're
a
concerned
parent,
you
can't
wait
two
years
for
a
diagnosis
until
they're,
five
or
six
and
they
haven't
received
any
services
in
that
time.
It's
imperative
that
we
deliver
the
services
to
children
and
youth
when
they
aren't
needed
and
so
we're
building
a
system.
We've
been
listening
to
families.
D
We've
been
listening
to
advocates,
we've
been
listening
to
service
providers
and
we've
been
hearing
from
them
that
that
currently
we
only
have
a
patchwork
of
fragmented
programming,
that's
locked
behind
a
diagnosis,
so
so
many
families
have
been
talking
to
me
and
I've
worked
in
this
sector
for
over
30
years.
Honorable
speaker,
I
saw
the
horrendous
impacts
of
the
cutbacks
here
in
my
community,
where
I
was
serving
and
running
services
for
over
10
years.
D
In
fact,
we've
been
told
by
advocates,
families
have
been
begging
for
this
ministry
to
do
something
different
in
this
area
to
better
meet
the
needs
of
children
and
youth
with
support
needs.
We
are
committed
to
serving
these
children
youth
into
helping
them
thrive
and
set
them
on
a
successful
pathway.
A
A
It
sounds
to
me
from
that
answer.
Mr
speaker,
like
the
minister,
thinks
she
knows
better
than
families.
Carissa
crawley
is
a
parent
with
a
disability
and
a
mother
of
a
son
with
autism.
She
says,
and
I
quote,
my
family
has
spent
years
finding
the
right
service
providers
for
my
son
and
it
will
be
catastrophic
to
our
family
to
disrupt
the
people
and
therapies
we
have
put
in
place.
My
son,
who
is
already
struggling,
will
have
the
rug
pulled
out
from
under
him.
D
D
Over
the
past
few
years
we
have
seen-
and
there
has
been
a
spotlight
sean
on
the
problems
with
individualized
funding.
Honorable
speaker,
I've
heard
from
so
many
families
that
they
can't
even
get
individualized
funding
until
they
wait
a
couple
of
years
for
diagnosis
when
they
receive
the
funding.
Then,
if
people
who
have
two
jobs,
people
who
have
an
elderly
family
member
to
care
for
people
who
have
several
children
that
they
need
to
be
taking
care
of,
don't
have
the
capacity
all
the
time
to
be
building
a
team
and
case
managing
services.
D
I
D
If
you,
even
if
you
receive
a
diagnosis,
even
if
you're
able
to
get
services,
families
scramble
to
make
sure
that
that
service
system
is
in
place,
and
most
parents
tell
me
that
they
are,
they
really
struggle
with
doing
that,
then
honorable
speaker,
the
pandemic,
hit.
What
that
showed
to
us
was
with
the
individualized
funding.
There
was
no
accountability,
so
the
services
just
went
away
and
families,
even
families
who
have
a
good
system
of
supports
and
services
for
their
children
and
youth.
I
Well,
the
minister
has
been
hearing
so
many
stories
in
the
last
30
minutes
and
I
think,
up
to
now
the
minister
has
not
responded
to
the
concern
and
frightening
thinking
of
all
the
parents.
Let
me
quote
a
couple
of
more
stories
for
the
minister.
Hopefully
she
will
respond
to
the
parents,
not
us
not
our
position,
but
the
parents.
I
I
I
I
D
Thank
you,
honourable
speaker,
and
thank
you
to
the
member
for
the
question.
Thank
you
to
everybody
for
giving
voice
to
families
from
across
british
columbia.
As
I
said,
I've
been
in
service
for
over
30
years.
Honorable
speaker,
I've
worked
with
many
many
vulnerable
families
and
I
do
believe
that
it's
very
important
to
hear
their
voices.
We
need
to
be
moving
forward
with
this
implementation,
we're
listening
to
families
and
we
will
continue
to
listen
to
families.
D
We
have
been
listening
to
families
about
the
services
for
their
children
and
youth
with
support
needs
since
2019,
and
we
will
continue
to
do
that.
We
listened
to
them
during
covid
when
they
asked
us
for
emergency
measures
because
of
a
global
pandemic
that
impacted
them
being
able
to
support
their
children
and
youth,
we're
continuing,
for
example,
with
flexibility
around
respite,
because
that
was
something
that
was
asked
for
as
an
emergency
measure.
We're
now
making
that
permanent.
Honourable
speaker,
as
we
move
forward
with
the
with
the
next
stages,
we
will
continue
to
listen
to
families.