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From YouTube: JUNE 2 2021 Question Period
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The Legislative Assembly of British Columbia
2nd Session
42nd Parliament
A
A
A
A
D
Premiere,
thank
you
honorable
chair
and
I
thank
the
leader
of
the
opposition
for
her
question
and
I
certainly
agree
that
all
of
us
need
to
work
together
at
the
direction
of
indigenous
communities
across
british
columbia,
and
that
has
been
the
focus
that
we've
been
on.
All
of
us.
I
believe,
over
the
past
number
of
days,
listening
learning
respecting
cultural
protocols,
ensuring
that
we
take
direction
and
are
at
the
ready
to
assist
when
that
assistance
is
called
for.
D
I've
reached
out
to
cushby
kasmir
at
the
kamloops
first
nations
and
and
shared
with
her
the
burden
that
she
must
feel
as
a
leader
in
that
community,
and
I
know
my
colleagues
from
the
two
communities
understand
that
full
well
better
than
all
of
us
the
enormous
pressure
on
her
as
a
human
being
much
less
as
a
an
indigenous
woman
leader
in
this
most
challenging
of
times,
but
I
believe,
based
on
my
conversations
with
her
with
national
chief
perry
belgaard
as
well
as
just
recently
this
before
I
came
into
the
house
today
with
the
prime
minister
that
our
government
will
be
focusing
on
listening
and
at
some
time
in
the
not
too
distant
future.
D
The
request
and
the
suggestion
of
the
official
opposition
and
I'm
certain
the
third
party
to
reconstitute
the
standing
committee
to
look
at
what
we
can
do
collectively
is
an
appropriate
course
of
action,
but
that
time
has
not
yet
arrived.
This
is
a
time
for
respecting
and
understanding
that
indigenous
peoples,
whether
they
be
members
of
this
house
or
not,
are
dealing
with
what
is
an
extraordinary
period
of
time.
A
D
Premier,
thank
you,
honourable
speaker,
and
nothing
precludes
any
of
us
from
reaching
out
to
indigenous
peoples
in
our
constituencies
to
hear
their
stories
to
bring
those
stories
back
to
this
legislature
to
await
direction
from
leadership,
whether
it
be
chief
casmar,
whether
it
be
other
leaders
in
communities
across
british
columbia.
I
believe
it's
appropriate
that
we
give
a
period
of
time
to
understand
the
full
complexities
of
the
issues
before
us.
D
I
think
that
there
is
a
sense
of
those
that
I've
spoken
with
at
any
rate
in
indigenous
leadership,
that
the
appropriate
thing
to
do
is
to
respect
the
wishes
of
people
who
are
grieving
and
following
protocols
at
this
time,
and
there
may
be
a
point
in
the
not-too-distant
future,
where
the
suggestion
from
the
leader
of
the
opposition
would
be
appropriate
for
us.
But
I
don't
believe
that
time
has
yet
arrived.
E
E
This
is
not
just
about
my
community
of
kamloops,
which
is,
of
course,
the
focal
point
and
coup
could
be
kashmir.
That's
shouldering
such
a
burden,
and
the
premier
is
absolutely
correct.
I
reached
out
to
the
chief
today-
and
she
indicated
the
premier
and
the
minister
have
been
in
communication,
but
there's
203
first
nations
in
the
province
that
are
dealing
with
the
fallout
from
what
happened
in
canada.
E
What
was
discovered
in
kamloops
the
committee,
the
standing
committee
on
aboriginal
affairs
would
provide
a
safe
place,
a
non-partisan
place
for
all
of
those
leadership,
people
to
be
able
to
reach
out
and
discuss
things
in
a
safe
way,
with
members
of
this
legislative
assembly
on
what
they
need.
Their
individualized
needs
are
for
their
community
so
again
to
the
premier.
Why
is
there
such
apprehension
to
convene
a
select
standing
committee
that
is
already
listed
as
one
that
meets
from
time
to
time?
E
D
D
The
tragic
history
of
residential
schools
in
this
country
and
those
recommendations
are
not
yet
fully
implemented.
I
think
that
the
work
now
is
to
ensure
that
we're
following
the
direction
of
indigenous
peoples
to
get
to
the
bottom
of
these
issues.
On
their
time
frame,
not
on
this
legislature's
time
frame,.
E
E
The
premier
seems
to
be
saying
today
is
not
a
good
day
to
convene
a
committee,
it
doesn't
mean
we
have
to
meet.
It
doesn't
mean
we'd,
be
compelling
chiefs
and
other
community
members
to
come
and
meet
with
that
committee
instantly,
but
it
would
be
in
place
already
to
be
able
to
react,
as
situations
arise
across
this
province
with
the
fallout
of
what's
been
discovered
in
camels
over
the
last
week.
E
Instead,
what
we're
hearing
the
premier
says
eh
not
today,
maybe
next
week
I
don't
know
I'll,
stick
my
finger
in
the
air
and
see
which
way
the
wind's
blowing,
and
maybe
we
can
convene
it
sometime
in
the
future.
Why
is
there
such
hesitation
to
convene
a
committee?
The
premier
seems
to
be
willing
to
talk
about,
seems
to
acknowledge,
probably
will
have
to
start
meeting
sometime
in
the
future,
but
he
doesn't
want
to
have
it
convened
sooner
rather
than
later.
F
Thank
you,
honorable
speaker.
There
was
some
hope
in
the
run-up
to
yesterday's
forestry
announcement
that
the
premier
and
minister
might
belatedly
wake
up
to
what's
happening
in
our
force
and
recognize
the
need
to
act
that
they
might
finally
show
the
leadership
that
is
so
desperately
called
for
in
this
province.
Instead,
they
peddled
the
same
old,
misleading
figures,
figures
that
have
been
widely
and
repeatedly
debunked
about
how
much
all
growth
is
left
and
what
steps
they've
taken.
F
To
do
what
they
did
yesterday
to
release
some
vague
promises
for
down
the
line
without
any
concrete
actions
to
protect.
Ancient
forest
today
essentially
guarantees
years
of
conflict
in
our
forests
years
of
people
trying
to
protect
these
ecosystems
years
of
worsening
divisions
and
years
where
communities
and
workers
are
kept
dependent
on
a
fundamentally
unsustainable
resource
until
it
runs
out.
B
We
are
working
to
protect
additional
areas
on
an
ongoing
basis
and
what
we
announced
yesterday
will
help
us
to
do
just
that.
In
fact,
we
expect
to
be
able
to
announce
additional
deferrals
this
summer.
We
are
doing
this
work
in
partnership
with
first
nations
and
with
respect
for
how
they
want
to
manage
their
lands.
This
is
critical
and
it
was
the
key
recommendation
of
the
old
growth
report.
F
You,
honorable
speaker,
we
have
a
responsibility
in
here
to
be
honest
and
to
completely
recognize
that
we
have
to
maintain
the
trust
of
people
and
when
the
minister
and
the
premier
continually
talk
about
two
hundred
thousand
hectares
being
protected,
they
know
that
that
is
not
accurate.
They
know
what
the
scientists
have
said.
They
know
what
the
truth
is.
F
The
union
of
bc
indian
chiefs
has
been
very
clear
about
what
they
need
to
see.
That's
immediate
logging,
deferrals,
critical
funding
for
conservation
financing
and
indigenous
led
conservation
initiatives.
Grand
chief,
stuart
phillip
said
that
to
have
good
faith
conversations
on
forestry,
we
must
put
away
the
power
saws.
B
We
all
stood
in
this
house
two
years
ago
and
we
all
unanimously
accepted
the
declaration
on
the
rights
of
indigenous
peoples,
and
we
all
said
that
we
had
to
abide
by
that,
and
that
is
just
what
we
are
doing.
We
are
reaching
out
to
indigenous
nations.
We
are
reaching
out
to
those
rights
and
title
holders
of
whose
land
the
old
growth
sits
on.
B
We
are
having
those
important
discussions
with
indigenous
nations,
but
we
were
also
bringing
to
the
table
the
communities
that
are
affected,
the
workers
that
are
affected
the
companies
that
are
affected,
but
also
the
environmentalists
who
are
expressing
their
concerns.
We
are
bringing
them
to
the
table.
We
are
working
together
and,
as
I
have
said,
I
can
assure
the
member
we
will
be
deferring
more
old
growth.
More
of
those
ancient
forests
this
summer.
G
Thank
you,
mr
speaker,
and
there
is
a
disturbing
pattern
that
we're
seeing
in
british
columbia.
The
premier
shows
up,
he
makes
promises
and
then
nothing
he
talks.
Big
then
disappears,
while
thousands
of
workers
and
their
families
are
at
risk.
We
saw
it
with
the
cruise
ship
industry
as
the
premier's
flippant
attitude
led
to
a
new
u.s
law,
allowing
them
to
skirt
our
ports
and
after
promising
in
2017,
he
would
get
a
softwood
lumber
done
deal
done,
we're
seeing
the
same
pattern.
The
u.s
commerce
is
doubling
the
tariffs
on
bc,
lumber
and
where's.
G
D
Premier,
thank
you
honorable
speaker,
not
one
cruise
ship
has
gone
up
the
coast
of
british
columbia
in
15
months.
I
don't
know
where
the
liberals
have
been
during
that
period
of
time.
There
is
no
impact
on
the
cruise
ship
industry.
Today,
we've
had
assurances
from
the
we've
had
assurances:
there's
no
industry
moving
anywhere
in
the
world.
What
planet
do
you
live
on?
What
planet
do
you
live
on
for
the
guy
from
the
chaco
lakes
nacha?
D
There's
no
cruise
ships
on
stuart
lake,
there's
a
hospital
being
built
there
that
was
neglected
for
16
years
by
those
guys,
but
to
have
to
have
that
member
stand
up
to
have
that
member
stand
up
and
say
somehow
the
province
of
british
columbia
has
destroyed
cruise
ships.
Internationally
is
just
folly.
It's
absolute
folly,
honorable
speaker,
with
respect
to
the
point
that
I
think
he
was
trying
to
make
about
softwood
lumber,
an
international
dispute
between
parties,
canada
and
the
united
states,
where
british
columbia
has
a
profound
role
to
play.
D
I
just
spoke
with
the
prime
minister:
I've
been
speaking
with
the
prime
minister
as
well
as
the
ambassador
in
washington
when
it
is
safe
to
travel.
I
will
be
returning
to
washington
to
talk
to
the
trade
secretary
to
talk
to
the
commerce
secretary
to
remind
them
that
british
columbia
softwood
has
been
building
houses
in
north
america
for
a
long.
E
G
Thank
you,
mr
speaker.
You
know
the
premier
likes
to
huff
and
puff
and
there's
a
lot
of
talk,
but
there's
very
little
action.
So.
G
Thank
you
the
last
time
he
went
to
washington.
What
did
he
do?
He
came
back
with
a
donation
check.
He
didn't
actually
get
anything
done
now.
We
know
he's
blowing
off
the
alaskans
instead
of
protecting
our
ports
and
then
he
held,
then
he
actually
will
join
with
the
us
when
it
comes
to
opposing
our
natural
resources.
G
The
premier
in
new
brunswick,
led
a
delegation
pre-covered
down
to
defend
the
forest
sector
in
the
us
and
bc.
Didn't
take
part
in
that
bc
represents
50
percent
of
canadian
software
exports,
and
this
is
what
the
premier
had
to
say
on
friday.
When
asked
about
this.
The
issue
here
of
these
tariffs-
and
I
quote-
I
talked
to
the
prime
minister
this
week
about
engaging
with
the
u.s
government
one
more
time
on
softwood
lover
disputes,
end
quote:
that's
it
thousands
of
workers
and
families
and
communities
at
risk.
G
D
D
Appreciate
I
appreciate
that
must
be
a
hard
pill
for
the
member
to
swallow,
but
we
have
been
working
diligently
with
officials
in
the
united
states.
We've
been
working
with
the
federal
government.
This
is
an
international
dispute.
I
think
sometimes
I
think
that
sometimes
I
think
the
bc
liberals
assume
that,
just
if
you
wish
something
to
happen,
that
would
be
the
case.
D
Endeavoring
to
do
with
our
partners
in
the
u.s,
with
our
allies
at
the
federal
level,
as
well
as
with
minister
higgs
from
premier
higgs
from
new
brunswick.
He
and
I
are
aligned
on
these
conversations
across
the
country
we're
going
to
continue
to
work
together
in
the
interest
of
canada
and
the
interests
of
british
columbia.
H
Thanks
arnold
speaker
now,
in
order
to
resolve
something,
mr
speaker,
you
have
to
make
it
a
priority
and
there
is
absolutely
no
evidence
that
this
premier
and
this
government
have
made
softwood
lumber
a
priority.
Mr
speaker,
I
understand
the
sensitivity
the
premier
has
comply,
compiled
quite
a
record
when
it
comes
to
his
dealings
with
with
the
united
states
on
two
of
the
single
biggest
bilateral
issues,
he's
bumbled
and
stumbled
and
failed
miserably.
We
do
whether
he
wants
to
admit
it
or
not.
H
They
won't
be
stopping
there
because
this
premier
ignored
warning
after
warning
after
warning
about
a
congressional
initiative
that
he
dismissed
as
an
impossibility
that
ended
up
passing
unanimously
and
now
has
been
threatened
to
become
a
permanent
feature
of
the
legal
landscape
in
the
u.s,
mr
speaker
and
now
the
u.s
is
set
to
double
the
lumber
tariffs
against
the
forest
products
that
we
export
into
the
us.
And
what
is
the
premier
done?
Well,
apparently,
a
couple
of
days
ago
it
occurred
to
him
to
mention
it
in
a
phone
call
with
the
prime
minister.
H
H
Has
the
premier
contacted
congressional
leaders
and
building
retailers
in
the
us
to
remind
them
that
these
tariffs
are
going
to
add
to
the
costs
the
consumers
pay
already
on
record-setting
lumber
prices?
Has
he
done
that,
mr
speaker?
Has
he
coordinated
and
contacted
the
premiers
of
quebec
ontario
new
brunswick
alberta
to
lead
and
coordinate
a
strategy
to
respond
to
this
latest
example
of
protectionism?
D
D
I
just
I
can't
stop
thinking
about
glory
days,
in
my
mind,
remember
when
remember
when
says
the
leader
of
the
official
opposition,
the
former
leader
of
the
bc
liberal
government,
did
not
go
to
washington,
did
not
engage
with
the
commerce
secretary
did
not
engage
with
u.s
officials.
I
did
thank
you.
Honourable
speaker,
I
have
been
leading.
I
have
been
leading
in
in
weekly
calls
with
my
colleagues
across
the
country
keeping
us
all
together
as
different
interests
emerge.
We
are
in
a
global
pandemic.
D
I
often
think
I
have
to
remind
people
about
that,
but
I
want
to
get
back
to
this
cruise
ship
issue,
because
I,
I
think
the
misrepresentation
by
the
official
opposition
on
this
is
harmful
to
our
tourism
industry.
It's
harmful
to
our
relationship
with
the
united
states,
I'm
in
regular
engagements
with
with
governments.
F
D
The
up
and
down
the
west
coast
of
north
america,
they
fully
understand
the
important
role
british
columbia
plays
in
keeping
us
all
together.
The
legislation
that
passed
in
the
u.s,
if
you
had
read
it,
sunsets
sunsets,
when
they,
when
the
borders
open.
So
if
it,
if
it
is
the
position
of
the
bc
liberal
party,
that
we
should
open
our
borders
before
we're
certain
that
the
people
coming
to
british
columbia
have
been
vaccinated
if
they
believe
that
we
should
open
our
borders
just
because
a
cruise
ship
industry
based
in
norway,
thinks
it's
a
good
idea.
H
If,
if
mr
speaker,
the
premier
thinks
he
has
any
credibility
whatsoever
on
this
issue,
he
really
is
dreaming.
He
was
the
premier
that
stood
in
this
house
and
said
it
would
never
happen.
Fear
not
it's
all
a
myth.
Next
thing,
we
know
it
passes
unanimously.
If
he
thinks
he
has
any
credibility
on
predicting
what
the
congress
of
the
united
states
is
going
to
do,
he
should
dream
on,
because
no
one
on
this
side
of
the
house
believes
him.
Mr
speaker,
it
was
all
going
to
be
so
easy.
H
Four
years
ago
the
premier
said
he
was
going
to
go
down
to
washington.
He
was
going
to
cut
a
deal
and
then
nothing
happened
and
he's
his
capacity
for
rewriting
history.
Because,
mr
speaker,
I
sat
in
the
west
wing
of
the
white
house
with
the
premier
of
british
columbia,
as
we
negotiated
a
software
lumber
agreement
for
british
columbia.
H
I
sat
with
leaders
of
communities
from
british
columbia
in
the
center
block
of
the
wa
of
ottawa
when
we
were
pressuring
the
prime
minister
of
the
day
to
get
a
software
agreement.
Mr
speaker,
these
are
the
things
that
leaders
of
british
columbia
should
be
doing
on
behalf
of
forest
dependent
communities
in
british
columbia,
and
he
hasn't
done
anything
in
fact.
Yesterday
he
released
yesterday
he
released
what
is
supposed
to
be
his
definitive
statement
on
forestry
30
pages.
Mr
speaker,
I
read
all
30..
H
I
can't
even
find
a
mention
of
the
softwood
lumber
agreement
in
that
document.
Mr
speaker,
not
one
mention
that
british
columbia's
leading
industry
30
of
our
exports,
12
billion
dollars
in
trade
and
tens
of
thousands
of
jobs
in
british
columbia
is
under
attack
by
protectionists
in
the
us,
and
it
doesn't
even
rate
a
mention
in
his
defining
document.
Mr
speaker,
based
on
his
track
record
based
on
his
track
record
of
neglect
and
failure.
D
Premiere,
thank
you
honorable
speaker,
just
again
to
put
one
more
one
more
line
on
the
on
the
record
here.
The
norwegian
cruise
lines
still
consider
victoria
and
vancouver
to
be
premier
destinations.
They
will
be
premier
destinations
once
we
open
the
borders
when
it
is
safe
to
do
so,
that's
the
will
of
the
people
of
canada
and
british
columbia.
D
I
wonder
how
many
living
rooms,
how
many
kitchen
tables
of
out
of
work
forest
workers
he
sat
at
to
talk
about
the
impact
of
his
policies
on
their
jobs
and
their
livelihoods.
I'm
wondering
where
the
former
minister
of
force
was
when
mackenzie
represented
by
that
side
of
the
house
lost
a
pulp
mill,
lost
a
sawmill
and
sees
logs
driving
right
by
to
prince
george.
Where
was
your
commitment
to
communities?
Then,
honorable
member,
I'm
delighted,
honourable
speaker,
that
we've
seen
the
revival
of
a
good
opposition
member,
but
sadly
you're
singing
the
wrong
song.
D
People
want
our
borders
closed,
till
they're,
safe
to
open
it
and
we're
working
to
revitalize
forestry
in
an
era
of
climate
change.
In
an
era
where
pine,
beetles
and
forest
impacts,
fire
infestations
have
a
liquidated
massive
amounts
of
our
forest.
We
have
a
work
to
do
together
to
fix
that
and
it's
not
helped
by
going
back
to
2004
the
glory
days
of
the
former
member
from
this
side
of
the
house.
C
Maverick
ambulance
south
thompson.
Well,
thank
you
very
much,
mr
speaker.
If
you
want
to
revitalize
the
four
sector
in
british
columbia,
you
would
be
heading
down
to
washington
and
you
would
be
making
sure
that
you
follow
through
on
your
commitment
to
to
negotiate
a
softwood
deal
here
here
for
british
columbians.
The
premier
talks
about
about
the
will
of
the
of
the
public.
He
talks
about
the
will
of
forestry
workers.
What
the
people
of
british
columbia
want
is
they
want
to
have
jobs
well
into
the
future?
C
That
starts
by
making
sure
that
we've
got
access
to
the
u.s
market.
Mr
speaker,
that
the
premier
promised
it
was
the
very
first
thing
that
he
promised
british
columbians
going
into
the
2017
election
and
coming
out
of
it.
The
very
first
thing
he
said
was
I'm
going
to
go
to
washington
and
I'm
going
to
do
what
the
former
government
couldn't
do,
even
though
we
did
actually
do
it,
we
did
negotiate
a
deal.
I'm
going
to
go
down
to
washington,
the
premier
says,
and
I'm
going
to
get
this
software
deal
done
well.
C
That
was
in
2017
2018,
and
it's
not
done
and
that's
on
this
premier's
watch.
When
is
he
going
to
actually
join
with
new
brunswick?
When
is
he
going
to
join
with
quebec?
When
is
he
going
to
join
with
alberta
and
actually
stand
up
and
fight
for
forest
workers
and
make
sure
that
canada
and
british
columbia
get
a
good
softwood
deal
and
get
one
now.
D
Premiere.
Thank
you,
honourable
speaker,
and
of
course
now
we
have
two
members.
Actually,
three
members,
when
you
count
the
member
from
the
chaco
lakes
living
in
the
past,
the
future
in
our
forest
sector
has
been
decimated
by
pine
beetle,
decimated
by
fires,
decimated
by
climate
change.
We
need
to
look
at
a
new
way
of
doing
business
in
british
columbia.
Lumber
prices
have
never
been
higher.
D
I
don't
see
any
pats
on
the
back
for
the
highest
commodity
prices
in
history,
because
it
has
nothing
to
do
with
this
government
and
everything
to
do
with
scarcity
and
the
changing
world
we
live
in,
and
why
you're
on
that
side
of
the
house
is
that
you
haven't
recognized
honorable
speaker.
They
have
not
recognized
that
the
world
has
changed.
Forestry
must
change.
The
intention
paper
is
focused
on
that
brave
reviews
from
the
industry,
rave
reviews
from
communities.