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From YouTube: NOV 23 2022 Question Period
Description
The Legislative Assembly of British Columbia
3rd Session
42nd Parliament
C
C
Now,
while
the
premier
didn't
answer
a
single
question
here
in
this
house,
he
did
tell
one
media
Outlet
yesterday
and
I
quote:
I
haven't
seen
the
report
that
the
leader
of
the
opposition
is
talking
about
to
the
best
of
my
knowledge.
I,
don't
know
end
of
quote
so,
despite
having
been
the
housing
Minister
responsible
for
housing,
the
premier
claims
to
be
unaware
of
this
damning
2018
BDO
review
of
atira
BC,
housing's
largest
non-profit
housing
provider.
C
Now
this
is
very
hard
to
believe
Mr
Speaker,
because
after
all,
BC
housing
issued
a
statement
on
that
very
BDO
draft
report
back
in
March.
Well,
he
was
the
minister
responsible
and
furthermore,
when
pressed
yesterday,
the
CEO
of
atira
said
that
the
report
was
common
knowledge.
During
the
time
the
premier
was
the
housing
minister.
Something
doesn't
add
up.
There
are
two
different
stories
here
and
the
public
deserves
to
know
the
truth.
D
C
D
Dream
here,
thank
you,
honorable
chair.
This
is
indeed
a
very
serious
issue.
The
response
to
a
media
question
I,
had
yesterday
I,
didn't
recognize
the
report
that
the
member
or
that
the
reporter
was
describing
to
me.
But
I
am
familiar
with
that
report.
It
was
described
to
me
as
a
report
into
what
had
happened
under
our
government
at
BC
housing.
In
fact,
it's
a
report
into
what
happened
at
BC
housing
out
of
the
BC
liberal
government,
which
is
an
important
detail
that
was
missing,
but
but
regardless.
D
This
is
a
very
serious
issue
and
I'll
Endeavor
to
do
my
best
to
provide
the
house
with
an
accounting
of
what
happened
and
when
and
I'll
ask
the
chairs
leave
and
the
oppositions
leave
it's
a
longer
answer
than
usual,
but
if
necessary,
I'll
break
it
up
into
multiple
answers.
I
was
appointed
as
housing,
Minister
October
2020,
a
great
honor
honorable
chair
by
March
2021
about
six
months
later,
it
was
apparent
to
me
that
a
review
needed
to
be
done
of
business
practices
inside
BC
housing
for
a
number
of
reasons.
D
One
of
them
I've
spoken
about
publicly
on
a
number
of
occasions,
which
was
the
Little
Mountain
deal
where
public
property
was
sold
off,
low-income
Community
leveled
and
it
remains
an
empty
field
today,
I
didn't
want
us
to
be
in
that
situation
again.
There
was
also
other
information
that
caused
me
concern
at
that
six-month
Mark
I
asked
the
crown
agency
Secretariat
through
the
public
service,
to
initiate
a
review.
That
review
was
done
by
Ernst
young.
The
work
started
in
October
of
2021.
D
It's
called
the
financial
systems
and
operational
review,
and
that
report
was
in
fact
released
publicly
during
that
work.
During
that
time
of
that
work,
Ernst
young
identified
that
additional
questions
were
raised
in
the
scope
of
work.
They'd
been
asked
to
do.
If
they
had
more
concerns,
we
asked
them
to
continue
that
work
and
they
provided
details
to
us
in
June
of
2022
the
information
they
provided
to
us
led
to
us
in
July
of
2022
and
I,
say
us
I,
referring
to
the
public
service,
to
whom
I'm
very
grateful
for
facilitating
this
process.
C
Thank
you,
Mr
Speaker
and
I
appreciate
the
word
salad,
but
I
think
the
reality
is
I
asked
a
very
specific
question
now
a
couple
of
points
that
he
made.
First
of
all,
he
tried
to
say:
well,
actually
it
was
it
wasn't
their
report,
but
actually,
if
the
member
would
look
at
page
six
of
that
video
report,
it
specifically
says
very
clearly
it's
referring
to
the
2018
financial
statements
of
atira.
Now
he
then
references
the
Ernst
young
report.
C
Well,
the
Ernst
young
report
just
to
remind
this
house,
was
the
report
that
he
quietly
released
on
the
long
weekend,
Canada
Day
long
weekend
in
July,
that's
consistent
with
the
kind
of
transparency
and
accountability
that
we've
seen
out
of
this
member.
But
my
question
to
the
member
is:
why
is
it
that
the
problems
that
were
identified
in
that
BDO
report
not
being
addressed?
The
Thai
e
reported
just
today
that
BC
housing
documents
that
were
obtained
through
Freedom
of
Information
show
that
the
same
problems
identified
in
the
BDO
report
continue
at
atira.
C
The
same
problems
continue.
We
also
know,
according
to
foi
documents,
that
funding
to
atira
under
that
minister
in
this
government
has
more
than
tripled
to
almost
52
million
dollars
a
year.
No
other
housing
provider
has
experienced
such
a
massive
increase
in
funding
record
high
spending,
coupled
with
record
Financial
mismanagement.
C
But
apparently,
when
the
premier
was
the
minister
responsible
for
housing,
he
initially
suggested
he
had
never
seen.
The
report
now
he's
suggesting
he
didn't
realize,
which
report
it
was
perhaps
fair
enough,
confusing
all
the
different
reports
floating
out
there.
But
the
fact
of
the
matter.
The
mismanagement
was
happening
right
under
his
nose,
as
the
minister
responsible.
So
I
have
a
simple
question
for
the
premier
very
straightforward,
and
it
goes
right
to
public
transparency.
Will
the
premier
at
least
confirm
what
is
the
salary
for
the
CEO
of
atira?
Please.
D
What
I'm
going
to
do
is
continue
to
explain
to
the
member
the
steps
that
I
took,
starting
almost
immediately
on
my
appointment
as
Minister
of
Housing
that
have
been
continuing
and
escalating
in
seriousness
and
and
to
a
level
of
a
forensic
audit
of
BC
housing
in
early
July
2022,
we
took
the
recommendations
of
Ernst
young
around
the
terms
of
reference
for
forensic
audit
of
BC
housing,
and
we
asked
the
office
The
Controller
General,
to
take
over
responsibility
for
that
audit.
D
The
Comptroller
General
agreed
to
do
so
and
retained
Ernst
young
to
do
that
work.
Now.
This
forensic
audit
is
still
in
progress.
I
can
provide
the
members
of
this
house
with
some
of
the
terms
of
reference
for
the
forensic
engagement
of
BC
housing
to
ensure
specific
internal
controls
of
BC
housing
are
in
place
and
operating
as
described,
including
record
retention.
D
Record
retention
and
decision
making
processes
and
procedures
for
funding
service
providers,
we're
expecting
the
results
of
that
forensic
review
early
next
year.
Honorable
members,
members
and
I
can
assure
all
members
of
this
house
on
receiving
that
that
we
will.
We
will
release
all
the
documents
that
we
can
to
the
extent
the
law
allows
to
the
opposition
and
the
public
foreign.
A
Thank
you
very
much.
Mr
Speaker.
There
was
no
answer
there
to
the
very
straightforward
question:
atira,
the
largest
non-profit
housing
provider
for
BC
housing
is
an
absolute
complete
mess
that
has
been
confirmed
in
in
not
one
but
but
numerous
independent
audits
that
have
been
done
or
reviews
that
have
been
done
by
third
party
accounting
agencies
and
so
the
public.
We
believe
and
I
think
British
Columbians
would
agree
with
us.
The
public
has
a
right
to
know
how
much
the
CEO
at
atira
makes.
A
That
was
a
simple
question,
so
let
the
record
show
that
the
premiscated
race
break
past,
that
which
is
alarming
in
and
of
itself
BC
housing
in
atira
are
both
in
in
Dire
Straits
at
the
moment,
and
those
are
both
organizations
that
require
accountability.
They
didn't
have
it
back
back
a
number
of
years.
Clearly
the
accountability
is
still
not
there
today,
but
let's
talk
about
the
BC
housing
for
a
moment
as
well.
A
Yesterday,
when
asked
why
the
board
of
BC
housing
was
fired,
the
housing
Minister
responded
that
it
was
because
and
I
quote,
issues
were
identified,
end
quote,
but
for
months
this
Premier
has
denied
that
there
were
any
issues.
He
wants
everyone
to
believe
that
firing
the
NDP
appointed
board
on
a
Friday
evening
in
July
that
that
was
completely
normal.
That
there's
nothing
to
see
here.
Here's
the
premier's
words
that
I
quote
the
changes
in
the
board
are
not
related
to
any
sort
of
wrongdoing.
End
quote
Mr
Speaker.
A
Frankly,
this
is
the
kind
of
devious
behavior
that
is
so
typical
of
this
Premier.
To
claim
that
there
are
no
issues
now.
This
is
all
totally
normal,
rather
rather,
rather
than
just
than
to
just
mess
up
fess
up
to
what
it
really
is
and
that's
an
attempt
to
hide
the
mess
that
he
created.
So
a
very
simple
another,
very
simple
question
to
the
premier
is
this:
why
did
the
premier
fire
the
board
of
BC
housing,
foreign.
D
Thank
you.
Honorable
chair,
we
received
extensive
recommendations
from
Ernst
young
requiring
a
significant
overhaul.
The
governance
of
BC
housing.
We
put
a
new
board
in
place.
I
put
a
new
board
in
place
to
bring
extensive
experience
and
skill
sets
to
ensure
effective
and
efficient
oversight
and
I
I
will
say.
Honorable
chair,
there
are
a
lot
of
members
on
this
site
on
the
other
side
of
the
house.
It
is
a
bit
strange
that
that's
the
member
that
would
ask
a
question
about
managing
Crown
corporations.
D
B
A
Board
that
was
appointed
by
by
his
the
Finance
Minister,
who
sits
right
right
beside
him.
She
appoints
this
board.
He
comes
in
and
fires
the
boards.
The
public,
has
a
right
to
know
why
public
has
a
right
to
know
why
how
much
a
terror
of
the
tiatira
CEO
gets
paid.
No
answer
on
that
either
Mr
Speaker
the
premier
tried
to
bury
a
damning
Ernst
young
report
by
quietly
releasing
it
on
the
Canada
day-long
weekend.
One
week
later,
he
fired
the
board
on
a
Friday
night.
A
That's
not
normal,
but
that's
not
all
17
senior
Executives
from
BC
housing
Departed
the
corporation
within
two
years.
All
without
any
explanation,
that's
not
normal
either!
So
just
just
think
about
this
for
think
about
this.
For
a
moment,
how
bad
must
it
be
in
a
in
an
organization
with
a
multi-billion
dollar
budget
to
have
17
senior
Executives
leave
the
corporation
within
two
years
with
no
explanation.
A
Clearly,
BC
housing
is
an
organization
that
is
in
complete
and
total
chaos,
and
it's
all
under
this
premier's
watch.
So
the
question
is:
can
the
premier
explain
why
17
senior
Executives
left
BC
housing
while
this
minute,
while
he
was
the
minister
responsible
for
BC
housing
and
will
he
order
a
full,
transparent
and
independent
audit
of
the
mess
that
he
created
at
BC
housing
and
at
natera.
D
D
It
was
an
incredibly
stressful
time
at
BC
housing
through
the
pandemic
and
and
I
think.
A
lot
of
employers
saw
senior
employees
making
decisions
about
where
they
want
to
work.
What
kind
of
work
they
want
to
do
and
so
on
I
can't
explain
all
the
backgrounds
of
each
individual
and
play,
but
I
can
tell
you.
It
was
incredibly
stressful,
a
huge
amount
of
work
during
the
pandemic.
Honorable
speaker,
D,
camping,
encampments,
making
sure
that
shelters
were
safe
during
the
pandemic.
People
were
working
crazy
hours.
D
And
I
had
the
exact
same
message
for
our
non-profit
housing
service
providers
when
I
was
speaking
to
them.
These
people
put
in
unbelievable
hours
to
ensure
that
people
in
our
Province
were
kept
safe
during
the
pandemic,
and
we
have
challenges
retaining
people
in
the
whole
Social
Services
sector
coming
out
of
the
pandemic.
I
know
the
members
on
the
other
side
know
that
it's
not
just
BC
housing.
It's
all
kinds
of
companies,
public
and
private
members
work
for
us
to
do
absolutely
I
accept
that
honorable
speaker
more
work
to
do.
E
F
Thank
you
very
much
honorable
speaker,
and
we
know
that
all
children
need
to
have
access
to
the
supports
and
services
that
are
going
to
help
them
develop
and
help
them
Thrive,
and
they
need
access
to
them
as
early
as
possible.
That's
why
we're
moving
towards
a
needs-based
system
for
children,
youth
with
support
needs
because
far
too
many
children
and
youth
are
being
left
behind.
F
You,
honorable
speaker,
I've,
been
listening
to
organizations,
communities,
indigenous
leadership
and
I
have
been
hearing
some
concerns,
honorable
speaker
and
where
I'm
hearing
concerns
I.
Take
those
concerns
very
seriously.
I
will
continue
to
listen
to
families,
to
listen
to
advocacy
groups
to
organizations,
and
we
will
we
will
be
working.
B
E
For
kids
receiving
individual
support,
Mr
Speaker,
they
have
bonded
with
their
service
providers.
These
changes
rip
them
away
from
their
care
team.
It's
cruel,
actually
Mr
Speaker.
E
It
takes
years
for
parents
to
find
the
right
service
providers
for
their
children
and
when
they
do,
those
children
develop
close
personal
relationships
with
their
caregivers.
Parents
have
actually
described
them
to
us
as
part
of
the
family.
The
new
Hub
model
doesn't
guarantee
that
those
same
providers
will
be
available
to
families.
The
ministry
of
Children
and
Family
development
is
once
again
celebrating
children
from
their
loved
ones.
These
children
don't
understand
government
bureaucracy.
All
they
know
is
that
the
people
that
they
trust
are
no
longer
around
them
and
it's
confusing
it's
distressing
and
it's
traumatizing.
E
It's
diff.
It's
not
difficult
to
imagine
a
child
in
this
situation
to
not
internalize
this
autism
BC
released
the
results
of
a
survey
of
1500
parents.
Earlier
this
week
they
found
four
percent
of
parents.
The
minister
says
that
she's
listening
to
the
parents,
96
of
them,
want
rid
of
this
Hub
model
that
she's
brought
in
more
than
half
want
to
continue
the
model
that
they
know
works
and
that's
the
individualized
funding.
Mr
Speaker
through
you
to
the
premier
does
his
new
vision
for
British
Columbia
include.
F
Thank
you,
honorable
speaker.
It
is
really
important
to
listen
to
families
and
I
have
been
listening
to
families
and
I
will
continue
to
listen
to
families
and
where
I'm
hearing
concerns
honorable
speaker,
I'm,
taking
them
very
seriously.
I
hear
from
a
range
of
families.
Honorable
speaker,
I,
hear
from
parents
who
say
to
me,
this
change
cannot
come
soon
enough.
There
are
far
too
many
things.
B
F
Far
too
many
children
and
youth
who
are
left
behind
we've
heard
from
the
representative
for
Children
and
Youth,
she
has
made
numerous
recommendations
that
we
need
to
move
towards
the
needs-based
system.
In
fact,
there
was
a
select
standing
committee
of
this
very
legislative
assembly
that
made
the
recommendation
that
we
need
to
move
towards
the
need-based
system
in.
F
Is
widely
recognized
that
many
children
and
youth
with
neurodiversity
and
disabilities
are
not
properly
served
and
are
left
behind?
Indeed,
autism
BC,
when
they
came
to
visit
me
on
Monday
this
week,
agreed
with
us
that
we
need
to
change
the
system
in
order
to
meet
the
needs
of
more
children
and
for
many
children
who
have
a
diagnosis
of
autism
or
who
are
waiting
for
a
diagnosis
of
autism
are
also
not
able
to
receive
the
services
that
they
need.
F
G
Thank
you.
Yesterday
we
asked
the
premier
about
the
comments
of
Stephanie
Allen,
who
is
a
senior
executive
for
BC
housing.
She
makes
245
000
a
year
and
is
responsible
for
performance
at
the
crown
Corporation.
The
current
housing
minister,
at
least
to
his
credit,
denounced
the
comments
of
the
senior
executive.
Yesterday.
Comments
like
this
one
and
I
quote:
I'm,
not
sure
how
we
get
out
of
the
housing
crisis
without
limiting
capitalism.
G
D
B
G
G
G
She
says
and
I
quote:
God
bless
everyone
trying
to
find
a
home
on
these
stolen
lands
as
capitalism
collapses
under
the
weight
of
its
greed
and
selfishness.
End
quote:
she
is
the
second
in
command
at
a
multi-billion
dollar
Crown
corporation,
that
is
responsible
for
delivering
this
premier's
housing
agenda
and
it
requires
working
with
Partners.
So.
C
G
D
D
B
H
You
thank
you
Mr
Speaker,
so
less
than
a
week
in
his
into
his
Premiership
here's.
What
we've
learned
about
this
premier's
record
on
housing
one.
He
actively
sought
to
bury
a
report
that
revealed
that
revealed
serious
problems
in
mismanagement
at
a
housing
agency
that
was
receiving
and
is
receiving
hundreds
of
millions
of
public
tax
dollars
at
his
Direction
two,
apparently
on
a
dark
and
stormy
night,
he
decided
to
fire
the
entire
board
at
BC
housing.
Without
a
word
of
explanation
for
why
that
was
so,
and
what
prompted
it.
H
Three.
Seventeen
Seventeen
senior
executives
fled
BC
housing
during
the
two
years
on
his
watch.
Four,
they
left
behind
a
2ic
who
is
issuing
statements
that
would
make
Shay
cavera
blush,
denouncing
those
evil
dirty
capitalists
who
are
responsible
for
partnering
with
government
to
build
the
houses.
The
British
Columbians
need
Mr
Speaker,
it's
quite
frankly,
it's
a
mess
and
no
wonder
actually,
no
wonder
the
premier
did
something
that's
never
been
done
and
that
is
impose
closure
on
housing
legislation
24
hours
after
it
was
tabled
in
this
legislature,
Mr
Speaker
24.
H
Forbid,
God
forbid
those
pesky
opposition
MLA
should
have
an
opportunity
to
ask
questions
to
determine
what
exactly
is
taking
place
within
BC
housing.
What
exactly
is
taking
place
within
these
agencies
that,
like
a
cheer
up
that,
apparently
are
making
a
mess
of
things
Mr,
Speaker,
Mr
Speaker?
If
the
premier
won't
let
mlas
do
their
job
and
ask
the
questions
that
are
necessary
by
imposing
closure
on
legislation,
will
he
at
least
release
the
terms
of
reference
to
the
audit
he
claims
to
have
initiated
but
didn't
manage
to
tell
anyone
about
until
this
very
time.
B
D
You
honorable
speaker,
I,
commit
to
the
member
every
member
of
this
place
will
release
everything
that
the
law
allows
us
to
release
once
the
forensic
audit
is
complete.
We
expect
that
early
next
year,
unless
the
audit
uncovers
matters
that
require
them
to
expand
their
scope
of
work.
Now
it
is
important.
It's
just.
It
is
important,
I
think
members
to
be
measured
by
results.
C
D
The
champion
the
champ
ions
members
I
think
I've
hit
on
something
honorable
speaker,
I,
think
I've
members,
members,
honorable
honorable
speaker
when
the
leader
of
the
opposition
was
the
Finance
Minister
27
588
homes
built
1948
rental
homes
built
in
the
most
recent
year.
We
have
data
for
53
000,
new
homes
built
13,
127
rental
homes
built
honorable
speaker,
six.