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From YouTube: OCT 4 2022 Question Period
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The Legislative Assembly of British Columbia
3rd Session
42nd Parliament
C
Thank
you,
Mr
Speaker,
Mr
Speaker
for
over
five
years,
the
soft
on
crime,
former
Attorney
General
personally
oversaw
the
worst
explosion
in
random
attacks
and
social
chaos
in
the
history
of
this
province
under
repeated
questioning
by
this
opposition
in
the
spring.
After
first
denying
and
minimizing
the
rise
in
violent
attacks,
the
Attorney
General,
the
then
Attorney
General
hired
Consultants
to
tell
them
how
to
do
his
job
now.
C
The
ndp's
latest
move
was
to
hide
this
consultant's
report
by
releasing
it
on
a
Saturday
morning
of
a
long
weekend,
hoping
that
no
one
was
going
to
pay
attention
to
the
damning
conclusions
in
that
failed,
catch
and
release
program.
The
former
Attorney
General
was
was
operating,
look
at
what's
happening
in
communities
every
day
in
this
province
we've
got
young
women
with
strollers
being
chased
and
having
bottles
thrown
at
them.
We've
got
a
young
man
in
Yale,
Town
stabbed
to
death
by
a
random
stranger.
C
This
is
what
a
pro
the
probation
officer
said
on
page
76
of
that
consultant's
report
and
I
quote:
people
are
being
released
into
community
on
bail
that
definitely
pose
a
significant
public
safety
risk.
I
am
talking
about.
Machete
attacks
attempted
murders.
These
people
are
being
released,
end
of
quote
so.
My
question
to
the
attorney
general
is
how
many
more
innocent
people
have
to
be
assaulted
before
the
NDP
abandoned
the
former
Attorney
General's
catch
and
release
program.
D
Thank
you,
Mr
Speaker
and
I
would
thank
the
honorable
leader
of
the
opposition
for
this
important
question
in
her
remarks.
Earlier
today,
the
member
for
Surrey
cells
properly
acknowledged
the
complexity
of
policing
in
a
modern
society
for
which
I'm
grateful
the
member
said
that
somehow
we
have
hidden
to
use
his
term
the
consultant's
report.
Let
me
review
what
happened.
D
Mr
Speaker,
we
released
the
report
on
October
1st,
having
promised
to
do
so
by
the
end
of
the
month,
but
we
gave
the
early
acknowledgment
of
the
recommendations
and
the
summary
of
the
report's
28
recommendations
in
advance
of
that,
so
people
could
be
repaired
prepared
to
to
address
those.
We
have
already
indicated
that
we
will
be
adopting
three
of
those
recommendations
and,
of
course,
since
there's
28,
we
have
a
lot
more
work
to
do.
Mr
Speaker.
D
This
is
a
serious
problem,
but
I
think
to
use
cliches
such
as
catch
and
release
is
simply
not
doing
Justice
to
the
complexity
and
the
severity
of
the
problem.
Mr
Speaker.
That
is
not.
That
is
not
the
case,
and
the
members
should
know
should
know
better
under
the
federal
members
under
the
federal
criminal
code
and
under
the
Charter
of
Rights
bail
is
a
constitutional
right,
and
the
criminal
code
is
a
of
course
passed
by
the
federal
order
of
government
in
our
country.
D
We
have
increased
the
budget
under
our
watch
of
the
crown
council's
office
by
almost
a
third,
whereas
in
the
last
year
of
the
last
government's
budget,
they
increased
the
budget
of
Crown
Council
by
less
than
one
percent
Mr
Speaker
we
get
it.
We
want
to
fix
it
and
we're
going
to
work
harder
with
our
partners
at
the
local
government
to
make
it
right.
C
C
The
fact
of
the
matter
is,
after
five
years
of
the
a
former
of
the
former
Attorney
General's
catch
and
release
program.
We've
got
chaos
in
communities
from
Abbotsford
to
terrorists
in
Vancouver
in
Vancouver
alone,
40
individuals
responsible
for
6
385
police
files
in
one
year
alone,
the
downtown
east
side
described
in
that
very
Consultants
report,
as
quote
completely
Lawless
criminals,
emboldened
by
the
lack
of
enforcement
of
this
government
and
four
violent
random
attacks
in
Vancouver
every
single
day.
C
A
D
Let
me
begin
Mr
Speaker
by
expressing
our
condolences
and
our
empathy
for
the
victims
of
this
horrific
crime
through
which
the
member
refers.
There
are
many
more
as
as
I
know
he
will
advise
this
house
and
we
are
aware
that
we
need
to
do
more,
and
that
is
why
we
commissioned
the
Lepard
Butler
report
to
give
us
that
very
advice.
It's
a
complicated
report,
it's
a
thoughtful
report
and
we
of
course
want
to
do
justice
to
it.
D
The
The
Honorable
leader
of
the
opposition
referred
to
the
former
Deputy
Chief
of
The
Vancouver
Police
Department
Douglas,
a
quote
so-called
expert
Mr
Speaker.
That
kind
of
that
kind
of
derogation
is
really
not
I,
think
appropriate.
He's
a
person
who
knows
the
street
foreign.
D
I
would
suggest
Mr
Speaker
that
we
do
a
disservice
to
the
work
that
was
done
by
simply
castigating
it
in
highly
personal
terms,
well,
Mr
Speaker,
to
suggest
that
we
are
merely
blaming
the
federal
government
is
simply
not
right.
We
need
to
partner
with
the
federal
government.
Perhaps
The
Honorable
leader
of
the
opposition,
could
consult
with
the
member
for
Abbotsford
West.
D
He
might
be
reminded
that
the
criminal
code
bill
c-75
is
a
federal
law
that
our
police
and
our
our
Crown
Council
are
administering
every
single
numbers,
so
Mr
Speaker
the
right
to
bail,
which
I
gather
is
Catch
and
Release,
is
somehow
some
is
harder
right
in
our
country.
Perhaps
a
member
for
Abbotsford
West
might
advise
The
Honorable.
Member
of
that
reality
as
well.
I
intend
to
go
next
week,
Mr
Speaker,
to
meet
my
federal
counterpart,
The
Honorable
David
Minister
of
Justice
bring
the
report
to
him
talk
about
concrete
ways.
D
Finally,
Mr
Speaker
I
would
remind
the
member
that
we
did
this
work
in
partnership
with
the
urban
mayor's
caucus
and
I
have
the
following
to
say
from
the
mayor
of
Kelowna
Colin
bazron.
Today's
announcement
of
the
Lepard
Butler
report
is
a
path
towards
action
and
results
from
improved
Public,
Safety
crime
reduction
and
increased
support
for
those
most
vulnerable
in
our
communities.
Mayor
helps
of
Victoria
made
similar
comments,
Mr
Speaker.
We
know
we
have
to
work
in
partnership
with.
D
D
B
In
fact,
last
year
he
was
convicted
of
breaking
and
entering
which
resulted
in
just
probation
and
zero
jail
time.
Mr
Speaker
three
months
ago,
he
was
found
guilty
of
theft
and
served
only
one
day
in
jail
in
may.
He
faced
multiple
charges,
including
resisting
police,
breaching
his
conditions
of
release,
but
those
charges
were
stayed
by
Crown
Council
just
last
month.
He
breached
his
bail
conditions
for
charges
related
to
theft,
and
those
charges
were
again
stayed
by
the
crown
and
just
one
week
before
the
sword
attacked.
B
He
received
probation
only
and
one
day
in
jail
for
theft.
As
sergeant
Paul
Walker
of
the
Abbotsford
Police
said
quote.
Many
of
these
incidents
are
repeat:
offenders
being
continuously
released
back
into
our
community.
End
quote:
Mr
Speaker.
When
will
the
NDP
end
The
Catch
and
Release
justice
system
of
the
softon
Prime
former
Attorney
General.
D
You
and
Mr
Speaker
I
would
I
would
urge
I
would
honor
the
new
member
and
welcome
her
to
the
house
for
her
first
question.
In
this
place,
Mr
Speaker,
the
former
government,
chose
to
abolish
a
very
successful
program
called
the
repeat
offender
management
pilot
program.
No
I
raised
that
because
over
the
weekend.
D
D
Continue,
thank
you.
Mr
Speaker,
the
repeat
offender
program,
as
it
was
then
called,
was
proven
to
Reduce
reoffending
by
40
in
its
first
year
over
the
last
weekend,
I
had
the
opportunity
to
speak
with
the
chief
of
police
in
my
community
Mr
Chief
Dale
manic,
who
told
me
that
that
program
had
been
enormously
successful
in
his
community,
and
he
therefore
welcomes
our
decision
to
be
among
the
28
recommendations
on
one
of
the
first
being
to
bring
that
program
back
which
the
opposition
saw
fit
to
cut.
Now
Mr
spoke
Mr
Speaker.
D
There
are
many
other
things
that
need
to
be
done
and
in
a
constructive
way,
I
would
have
hoped
the
opposition
would
have
or
flagged
some
of
those
one
peer-assisted
care
teams
that
are
rolling
out
in
Victoria
and
New
Westminster
and
expanded
teams
on
the
North
Shore
the
root
problems
involving
complex
care
housing
to
provide
a
higher
level
of
care
for
people
who
need
it.
Community
transition
teams.
There
are
so
many
things,
Mr
speaker
that
we
need
to
do
if
we're
going
to
get
to
the
root
causes
of
this
I.
D
Do
not
think
Mr
Speaker
that
the
people
of
British
Columbia
believe
that
arresting
and
enforcing
the
law,
as
the
members
would
seem
to
suggest
is
the
way
to
go
is
a
sufficient.
It's
a
necessary
Mr
Speaker,
but
not
sufficient
response
to
a
problem
that
the
member
herself
acknowledged
is
extraordinarily
complex.
Members.
D
Speaker,
there
is
a
variety
of
measures
we
are
taking
with
our
partners
at
the
local
level.
I
intend
to
raise
this
issue
with
the
federal
government
to
ensure
that
we
can
get
their
assistance
in
this
problem
as
well,
and
we
will
make
sure
that
our
Crown
Council
do
their
job
as
they
are
doing
every
single
day.
B
B
As
a
former
police
officer,
I've
witnessed
firsthand
the
impacts
on
victims
of
violent
attacks,
victims
who
were
traumatized
victims
who
often
face
long
and
arduous
emotional
and
physical
recoveries,
many
victims
suffering
for
years
following
violent
incidents.
If
the
NDP
actually
cared
about
the
victims
of
prolific
offenders,
they
would
give
prosecutors
and
police
the
tools
to
do
their
jobs
tools
like
being
able
to
enforce
release
conditions
on
prolific
offenders
and
to
stop
them
from
committing
future
crimes.
B
But
the
report
says
and
I
quote:
Crown
Council
are
resistant
to
approving
breachable
conditions
on
charges
and
it's
resulting
in
an
emboldening
effect.
End
quote:
prolific
offenders
continue
to
commit
violent
attacks
because
they
know
under
the
former
Attorney
General's
Catch
and
Release
justice
system.
There
aren't
consequences
so
Mr
Speaker.
Why
won't
the
NDP
end?
The
Catch
and
Release
justice
system
them
of
their
soft
on
crime?
Former
Attorney
General.
D
A
D
D
I
I
think
that
we
have
a
number
of
things
that
are
going
to
occur
in
light
of
our
decision
to
reinstate
the
the
prolific
offenders
program
that
the
government
before
us
cut,
for
example,
we're
creating
more
situation
tables
in
communities.
So
this
cross-agency
collaboration
with
the
police
with
the
crown
with
health
services
and
with
community
service
providers.
So
we
can
make
sure
that
we
have
abilities
to
us
to
to
work
before
incidents
of
the
kind
she
refers
to
actually
occur.
D
We're
making
historic,
Investments,
Mr
Speaker
to
expand
access
to
mental
health
and
Addiction
Services
in
communities
across
our
our
Province.
We
are
committed
members.
We
are
committed
to
ending
the
cycle
of
reoffending
and
keep
keeping
people
from
becoming
offenders
in
the
first
place.
Mr
Speaker
I
will
end
with
where
I
started.
The
honorable
member
herself
referred
to
the
complexity
of
this
problem.
Simply
arresting
people
out
out
of
the
situation
we
know
is
going
to
be
futile.
We
need
to
do
so
much
more,
and
that
is
what
we're
doing.
E
F
For
this
question,
because
there's
been
quite
a
bit
in
the
media
about
pellets
lately
and
I-
think
it's
good
to
be
able
to
have
this
discussion.
I
think
pellets.
They
are
a
low
value
product
in
our
industry
and
I
know
that
people
are
saying
that
pellets
are
creating
more
ghg,
but
in
fact
they're
not.
We
are
selling
pellets
to
countries
that
are
using
pellets
to
lower
their
usage
of
coal.
So
it
is
a
it's
a
product
that
is
is
used
worldwide.
F
So
nobody
that
is
is
involved
in
The
Sawmill
industry
is
going
to
be
selling
whole
logs
to
go
into
pellets
and
I
know.
That's
probably
the
next
question
the
member
is
going
to
ask,
but
I
believe
that
the
pellet
industry
is
one.
That
is
that
we
need
in
this
province.
It
is
using
up
it's
reducing
waste
in
the
forest
industry,
which
is
an
important
thing
and
and
it's
moving
forward.
We
we
know
that
it
is
a
part
of
the
forest
industry
that
is
working.
E
Thank
you,
Mr
Speaker,
here's
some
facts:
Drax
is
a
massive
company
in
the
UK
they've
been
quietly
consolidating
the
wood
pellet
operations
in
British
Columbia,
controlling
almost
two-thirds
of
that
industry,
and
you
know
to
correct
the
minister
burning
wood
pellets
is
actually
more
carbon
intensive
than
burning
coal
Drax
regularly
lobbies.
This
government
is
subsidized
by
both
the
UK
and
the
BC
government's
clean
energy
funds.
E
They
burn
millions
of
tons
of
wood
pellets
from
British
Columbia
in
their
energy
plant
in
Yorkshire
England
evidence
turned
up
by
investigative
journalists
in
Canada,
and
the
UK
shows
that
they
have
acquired
tenure,
that
they
are
logging
grinding
and
burning,
BC
old
growth
forests.
Last
year,
the
former
BC
Chief
Forester
Diane
Nichols
abruptly
left
her
post
next
to
the
minister
of
forests
to
immediately
take
a
job
with
this
company
Drax
as
their
VP
for
corporate
sustainability.
The
revolving
door
between
the
ministry
of
forests
and
the
forest
industry
continues
to
turn
in
this
province.
E
F
You
Mr,
Speaker
and
yeah
I
can
answer
that
companies
are
not
using
whole
trees
that
would
be
used,
as
saw
logs
if
they're
using
a
whole
tree.
It's
been
burnt,
it's
been
damaged
by
beetle
kill.
It
will
not
be
it
wouldn't
work
as
a
saw
log.
So
yes,
companies
might
use
a
whole
tree
for
a
pellet
Factory,
but
it's
a
tree
that
wouldn't
be
used
as
a
sawmill
and
I.
Just
I
wanted
to
refer
to
Diane
Nichols,
a
woman
who
had
many
successes
throughout
her
tenure
and
did
not
leave
abruptly.
F
F
You
know
her
expertise
and
enthusiastic
approach
to
what
she
did
it.
It
was
it's
going
to
be
difficult
to
replace.
She
was
instrumental
in
ushering
in
a
new
era
of
forest
Management
in
this
province
and
also
very
successful
and
developing
low-carbon
economy
programs
for
the
forest
industry.
She
did
a
lot
of
work
and
I
will
make
it
I
just
want
to
clarify
for
the
record
in
this
legislature.
There
is
not
all
growth
being
cut
down
to
utilize
in
drax's
Mills
across
this
province.
A
G
Mr
Speaker,
one
of
the
fundamental
responsibilities
of
governing
is
to
keep
people
safe
and
regrettably,
the
former
Attorney
General
and-
and
this
government
have
failed
that
responsibility,
people
don't
feel
safe,
they
don't
feel
safe
in
Abbotsford.
They
don't
feel
safe
in
Terrace.
They
don't
feel
safe
in
Kelowna.
They
don't
feel
safe
in
Victoria.
They
don't
feel
safe
in
Victoria.
They
don't
feel
safe
across
British
Columbia
and
they
don't
feel
safe
because
of
this
catch
and
release
justice
system
that
the
previous
attorney
general
created.
D
Well,
I
Thank
The
Honorable
member
for
Abbotsford
West
for
his
question.
I
agree
with
him
entirely.
People
in
our
our
communities,
All,
Around,
The,
Province,
urban
and
rural-
deserve
to
feel
safe
in
their
communities.
That
is
a
government's
responsibility.
The
members
right
on
that
point
for
sure
we
accept
that
entirely.
That
is
the
responsibility
of
our
police
services,
our
Crown,
our
courts.
All
of
our
the
all
of
our
administration
of
Criminal
Justice
is
is
required
to
do
that,
and
we
of
course
accept
that
responsibility.
D
We're
investing
in
services
that
is
I,
think
the
key
Point
Mr
Speaker
We
There
were
enormous
Services
cuts
that
occurred
in
the
past
that
we
are
now
trying
to
re-implement
services
in
mental
health
and
support
for
people
with
addictions,
which
is
the
cause
of
course,
Mr
Speaker.
Members
of
the
violence
that
is
occurring,
the
the
the
violence
to
which
other
members
across
the
way
have
referred,
complex
care
for
housing
is
also
required.
We
need,
however,
to
accept
that
people
need
to
accept
consequences
for
their
actions.
D
If
there's
criminal
Behavior
that's
been
proven
in
a
court
of
law,
then
of
course
people
should
go
to
jail.
Of
course,
there
should
be
consequences
for
that
behavior.
There
are
a
variety
of
tools,
one
of
which
the
member
referred
to
in
terms
of
directives
that
we
will
examine
we're
looking
at
all
opportunities
to
make
a
difference
to
keep
people
safe,
because
we
accept
the
responsibility
that
the
member
referred
to.
G
G
The
government
and
his
predecessor
constantly
excuse
and
attempt
to
excuse
this
criminal
Behavior
as
the
byproduct
of
mental
illness
Mr
Speaker.
There
is
an
element
of
that,
but
there
are
people
out
there
who
are
bad
people
who
perpetrate
crime
who
assault
people
who
steal
because
they
want
to
take
a
shortcut
and
they
don't
want
to
get
a
job.
Mr
Speaker.
G
It's
available
to
this
government
and
to
the
attorney
general,
are
to
issue
specific
directives,
a
specific
directive
to
prosecutors
across
British
Columbia,
how
to
request
and
demand
from
the
courts,
the
Detention
of
those
people
who
purposely
perpetrate
criminal
Behavior.
The
question
to
the
attorney
general
today,
the
recommendation
contained
in
his
report
he's
been
on
the
job
now
for
some
months.
Will
he
assure
the
house
today
that
he
will
act
on
that
recommendation
and
issue
the
directives
necessary
to
begin
the
process
of
making
people
feel
safe.
D
Thank
you,
Mr
Speaker,
yes,
I
accept
that
there
are
people
for
whom
jail
is
the
only
answer.
I
also
accept
that
there
are
people
for
whom
mental
health
facilities
are
required.
There
are
a
variety
of
responses
to
deal
with
this
complex
problem,
but
if
you're
asking
Mr,
if
the
member
is
asking
Mr
Speaker,
if
we
seek
to
excuse
criminal
behavior,
of
course
we
don't,
and
that
is
why
we
have
the
opportu.
The
minister
is.
The
member
is
asking
very
specific
question
under
the
Crown
Council
act.
We
have
the
attorney
general.
D
If
we're
going
to
do
that,
Mr
Speaker,
my
answer
remains,
as
I
said
in
the
last
intervention.
I
will
examine
that
and
all
opportunities
to
see
if
that
would
make
a
difference.
Mr
Speaker,
because
that
member
commitment
to
make
a
difference-
and
yes
I'll,
say
it
again:
Mr
Speaker
to
work
with
all
of
our
partners
in
the
criminal
justice
system
and
municipalities
to
make
sure
we
get
it
right.
H
H
H
This
is
what
the
mayor
and
Council
of
terrorist
BC
said
and
I
quote
the
stats.
Don't
tell
the
truth:
crime
isn't
going
down
it's
the
worst.
It's
ever
been.
People
aren't
reporting
because
there's
no
point
because
they're
out
so
fast,
we
had
a
stabbing
last
year
and
the
person
was
released
within
24
hours.
End
quote:
it's
not
us
that
are
bringing
these
concerns
to
this
house.
It's
the
mayor
and
councils.
H
H
So
here's
a
statistic
for
you:
in
tears
alone,
one
individual
was
arrested
over
400
times
last
year,
400
times
so
my
question
to
the
attorney
general:
when
will
the
NDP
start
caring
about
the
victims
of
crime
and
end
the
couch
and
release
justice
system
of
their
soft
and
crime?
Former
Attorney
General.
D
Mr
Speaker
I
must
begin
by
saying
we
care
deeply
about
the
victims
of
crime
and
to
suggest
otherwise
is
very
unfortunate.
Of
course,
members.
What
I
intended
to
say,
Mr
Speaker,
is
that
you
cannot
simply
arrest
your
way
out
of
this
problem.
I
said
that
it
going
that
there
it
is
a
necessary
but
not
sufficient,
condition
to
address
this
complicated
problem.
I
stand
by
that
assertion,
Mr
Speaker.
We
need
to
take
a
variety
of
measures.
We
need
to
deal
with
the
root
causes
of
the
crime,
Mr
Speaker
in
the
members
community
of
terrorists,
members.
A
D
At
the
union
of
BC
municipalities,
meeting
I
had
the
opportunity
to
meet
with
members
of
the
terrorist
Council,
the
imer,
elect
and
others,
and
had
an
opportunity
to
understand
some
of
the
issues
that
the
member
of
friskina
has
brought
to
the
attention
of
this
house.
There
are
a
lot
of
people
who
are
hurting
in
that
Community
for
a
variety
of
reasons.
D
We
care
deeply
about
the
victims
of
the
crime
and
we
need
to
find
solutions
that
are
lasting
to
com,
to
suggest
that
we
can
simply
arrest
our
way
out
of
the
problem
is
not
going
to
be
a
sufficient
solution.
It's
a
necessary
part
of
the
solution,
but
if
the,
if
the
numbers
opposite
think
that
is
the
way
we're
going
to
address
this
complex,
complex
problem,
they're
wrong.