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From YouTube: OCT 25 2022 Question Period
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The Legislative Assembly of British Columbia
3rd Session
42nd Parliament
C
C
C
Now
this
is
not
only
a
massive
waste
of
taxpayer
dollars
where
we're
paying
up
to
three
times
more
for
the
same
nurse
who
was
once
working
for
the
health
authority
and
is
now
working
for
a
private
agency
contractor,
but
it's
also
wrong.
It's
inefficient
and
it's
destroying
the
morale
of
our
nurses,
a
nurse
from
the
interior
says
and
I
quote.
For
the
first
time,
I
have
thought
about
becoming
an
agency
nurse.
No
over
time.
No
stress
no
phone
ringing
on
my
days
off
and
I
would
make
double
the
triple.
C
What
I
make
right
now,
but
I
feel
like
I
would
be
leaving
my
co-workers
high
and
dry
end
of
quote
Mr
Speaker.
There
is
no
better
picture
of
a
Health
Care
system
on
its
last
legs,
then
our
current
NDP
minister
of
Health,
using
a
backdoor
approach
to
bring
in
for-profit
nursing
to
prop
up
a
Public
Health
Care
system
that
is
in
collapse.
So
will
the
minister
of
Health,
who
has
clearly
run
out
of
ideas,
do
the
right
thing
and
resign.
D
We've
taken
steps
to
dramatically
increase
training
spaces
just
recently
in
February,
604,
more
nursing
spaces,
we've
taken
significant
action
to
add
and
improve
Pathways
for
internationally
educated
nurses,
honorable
speaker
and
yesterday,
one
of
the
most
significant
things
requested
by
the
BC
nurses
Union
by
the
hospital
employees,
union
and
others.
We
improved
and
we
laid
down
improvements
to
Safety
in
our
hospitals
to
address
issues.
D
D
It's
sometimes
not
so
nice
to
be
unique.
Honorable,
speaker,
honorable
speaker
and
I,
would
say
this
that
it
was
the
leader
of
the
opposition
we
in
British
Columbia.
Yesterday,
we
spoke
to
this,
have
established
an
agency
to
support
nurses
and
other
health
care
workers
in
their
occupational
health
and
safety.
You
may
say
why
did
you
need
to
create
such
an
agency?
Why
did
we
have
to
create
such
an
agency?
Because
there
was
one
and
that
leader,
the
opposition
eliminated
it
foreign.
C
You
know
Mr
Speaker.
We
have
to
remind
this
member
that
they're
in
their
second
term
of
government
and
the
public,
is
learning
that
every
time
they
get
in
trouble
yeah
exactly
that's
what
the
Public's
thinking
every
time.
Every
time
they
get
in
trouble,
Mr
Speaker.
They
make
an
announcement
so
I'm
glad
the
minister
made
another
announcement.
But
frankly
your
announcements
haven't
made
a
difference
in
results
and
what
the
public
is
very
quickly
figuring
out
is
that
when
it
comes
to
results,
this
government
gets
the
worst
possible
result.
C
Minister
we
have
hallway
medicine,
we've
got
the
longest
walk-in
clinic,
wait
times
in
the
country.
Well
done,
we've
got
people
literally
dying
in
overcrowded
waiting
rooms,
just
waiting
to
be
seen.
That's
the
record
of
this
Minister
and
this
government,
and
it's
this
Minister
that
he
just
talked
about.
He
loves
spewing
out
numbers.
He
just
talked
about
an
80
increase
in
nurses,
I'm
talking
about
a
600
percent
increase
in
for-profit
contract
nurses
that
this
member
is
also
overseen.
C
Saying
and
I
quote:
we
have
an
acute
crisis
of
nurses,
leaving
the
system
where
they're
able
to
get
wages
that
are
higher
in
the
private
sector.
End
of
quote,
the
minister
of
Health
has
completely
lost
his
way.
Will
he
do
the
honorable
thing
step
aside
and
let
somebody
else
try
and
fix
the
broken
system
that
he
is.
D
Of
Health
well,
thank
you,
honorable
speaker,
I,
think
our
teams
of
nurses
and
doctors
and
Health
Sciences
professionals
and
healthcare
workers
have
done
an
extraordinary
job
in
this
period
of
two
Public
Health
emergencies.
Honorable
speaker,
that
performance
is
recognized
everywhere,
I
think
and
I
think
other
than
perhaps
by
the
leader
of
the
opposition.
D
Since
I
became
minister
of
Health,
we
addressed
and
have
addressed
a
Health
Human
Resources
challenge
by
adding
net
38
000
people
to
the
Health
Care
System,
the
met
the
minister,
the
the
leader
of
the
opposition,
says
that
an
18
increase
in
nurses
and
nurse
bargaining
Association
that
doesn't
matter.
Well.
Maybe
if
you
cut
registered
nurses
when
you're
a
minister
of
Health,
you
would
think
so,
but
he
is
the
only
person
in
British
Columbia
who
believes
that.
D
E
Well,
thank
you
very
much
and
the
conversation
is
not
about
the
job
that
actually
nurses
and
Physicians
and
Radiologists,
and
all
of
the
healthcare
professionals
are
doing
they're
doing
a
fantastic
job.
This
is
all
about
the
job
that
this
Minister
isn't
doing.
E
Thank
you.
So,
let's
be
clear,
the
minister
is
relying
on
bringing
in
private
company
nurses
at
a
salary
range
that
is
up
to
three
times
more
than
the
pay
of
their
colleagues,
so
the
minister
can
dismiss
that.
But
what
it
is
doing
it
is.
It
is
driving
nurses
out
of
Public
Health
Care,
to
go
to
a
private
contractor,
so
they
can
come
back
to
work
in
the
very
same
unit
for
up
to
three
times
more
money
and
the
minister
simply
dismisses
it.
E
Here's
what
a
nurse
from
Vancouver
told
us
I'm
expected
to
show
up
every
day
and
work
in
a
toxic
workplace
for
an
employer
that
doesn't
respect
me
to
add
insult
to
injury,
I'm
now
working
side
by
side
with
agency
nurses,
who
are
doing
the
same
job,
that
I
am
for
nearly
twice
the
pay
that
I
earn
and
they
are
former
colleagues
that
I've
worked
with
in
the
same
unit
for
over
10
years
and
Minister
can
smile
and
ignore
all
of
these
details.
It
is
demoralizing
to
nurses.
E
D
Well,
thank
you,
honorable
speaker
and
for
members
of
the
opposition
to
talk
about
privatization,
honorable
speaker,
leader,
well,
honorable
speaker,
the
authors
of
the
largest
layoff
of
women
workers
in
the
history
of
North
America,
honorable
speaker.
There
they
are
honorable.
B
B
D
Don't
know
what's
changed
honorable
speaker,
I,
don't
know.
What's
Shane
honorable
speaker,
what
we
focused
on
is
adding
nursing
positions,
adding
nurses
when
I
became
minister
of
Health.
We
were
last
in
Canada.
In
nurse
practitioners,
we
were
10th
in
Canada
in
registered
nurses,
we
had
fewer
work,
nurses
believe
it
or
not.
Registered
nurses
registered
nurses
in
2016
than
we
had
in
2009
when
the
leader
of
the
obstitution
became
minister
of
Health.
E
Well
familiar
with
high
high,
and
that
is
exactly
who
made
that
made
that
looked
at
outcomes.
So,
let's
be
clear,
this
Minister
today
hasn't
denied
the
use
of
privately
contracted
nurses.
In
fact,
he's
celebrating
the
fact
that
he
is
using
privately
contracted
nurses
at
up
to
three
times
more,
the
salary
than
with
than
nurses
that
are
working
in
the
Public
Health
Care
system
and
apparently
that's
acceptable
to
the
minister.
Well,
it
isn't
to
the
BC
nurses,
Union
and
here's
what
the
president
said.
E
President
almond
Grewal
said
it's
a
bit
of
robbing
Peter
to
pay
Paul
type
of
situation,
because
they're
leaving
One
Employment
to
go
to
do
an
agency
nursing
we're
still
at
a
loss.
End
quote:
the
minister
has
created
such
a
mess
in
the
Health
Care
System.
It
has
collapsed.
It
has
come
to
the
fact
that
he
has
to
hire
contracted
nurses
so
that
British
Columbians
can
get
some
semblance
of
care.
This
is
not
about
nurses.
This
is
not
about
doctors.
D
Well,
thank
you
very
much
honorable
speaker,
as
members
will
know,
if
you're
waiting
to
get
surgery
we're
around
the
bottom
of
the
country
when
I
became
minister
of
health
and
now
in
many
categories
of
hip
and
knee
replacement
surgery,
we're
number
one
where
we
did
well.
Honorable
speaker,
we
count
these
things
and
those
those
that's
kind
of
the
the.
B
Members,
the
leader
of
the
opposition
speaker,
talks
about
Kai,
hi
Donna,
that's
Kai,
High
data.
D
Honorable
speaker,
that's
Kai
High
data,
and
it
demonstrates
that
when
you
were
waiting
in
Northern
Health
to
get
diagnostic
care,
honorable
speaker
and
you
we've
added
and
more
than
doubled,
the
capacity,
for
example,
for
MRIs
in
the
northern
health
authority.
We
were
waiting
and
now
we're
waiting
dramatically.
Last
time
there
and
across
British
Columbia,
with
respect
to
nurses,
the
the
opposition
says:
18
percent
more
in
the
bargaining
unit
is
not
good
enough.
D
I
agree
we
that
and
that's
why
we're
adding
nursing
spaces
honorable
speaker
we're
adding
International
educated
nurses,
we're
addressing
the
situation
that
we
face
in
front
of
us,
ensure
that
people
get
the
care
now
and
get
care
in
the
future.
Honorable
speaker,
that's
what
we're
going
to
continue
to
do,
which
is
strong
action
to
respond
to
the
challenges
facing
a
Health,
Care
System,
that's
dealing
with
two
Public
Health
emergencies
and
health
care
workers
and
Health
Care
Professionals,
who
are
doing
an
outstanding
job.
F
Thank
you,
honorable
speaker,
speaking
of
Public
Health
emergencies.
Yesterday,
Capital
daily
and
Burnaby
Beacon
published
a
story
about
the
reality
of
how
covid
was
spreading
in
our
schools
in
2021.
While
the
story,
the
provincial
Health
office
and
the
government
wanted
to
tell
did
not
match
what
was
actually
happening.
D
Health
well,
honorable
speaker,
what's
happened
throughout
the
pandemic
is
outstanding
leadership
by
our
provincial
Health
officer
and
here
on
Vancouver
Island
by
our
our
chief
medical
officer
of
Health,
Dr,
Henry
and
Dr
stamak
have
done
an
outstanding
job.
What's
happened
in
British
Columbia
is
that
in
schools
in
particular,
schools
stayed
open
in
British
Columbia,
providing
health
and
educational
benefits
for
children
that
are
incalculable.
D
Honorable
speaker
they're
the
best
record
honorable
speaker
of
any
jurisdiction
in
the
country
because
of
actions
of
Ministers
of
education
and
minister
of
Health,
but
mostly
the
actions
of
teachers,
honorable
speaker,
the
actions
of
parents,
the
actions
of
students,
honorable
speaker,
who
did
an
outstanding
job,
the
infra
there's
a
reference
to
an
email.
Honorable
speaker,
there's
a
reference
to
an
email
from
Dr,
Stanwick,
Dr,
Richard,
Stanwick,
now
retired
and
Dr
Henry.
Honorable
speaker.
That
said
that
covet
cases
during
spring
break
were
going
up,
which
was
the
pattern
we
had
seen
in
Winter
breaks
as
well.
D
In
other
words,
transmission
was
less
during
school
than
it
was
during
break
periods.
What
Dr
Sandwich
recommended
is
that
we
remind
people
to
stay
home
when
they're
sick,
something
that
we've
been
doing
since
February
of
2020
and
something
we
doubled
down
with
when
we
became
the
first
legislature
in
Canada
to
pass
sick
day.
Legislation
by
the
minister
of
Labor.
D
F
Speaking
of
doubling
down
honorable
speaker
astonishing
for
those
who
didn't
read
it
here
are
some
quotes
from
the
article
that
was
published
yesterday.
The
provincial
Health
officer's
own
advisor,
including
Dr
Stanwick,
warned
her
of
quote
daunting.
Spikes
in
school
exposures
and
yet
Dr
Henry
wrote
to
her
staff
quote.
We
need
to
be
able
to
give
some
data
that
supports
what
we're
saying
I.E,
that
transmission
in
schools
is
low.
F
F
D
Honorable
speaker,
the
leader
of
the
Green
Party,
quotes
Dr
Stanwick,
who
is
referring
to
a
spike
in
coveted
cases
during
spring
break
of
2021.,
and
then
she
says
the
response
from
Dr
Henry
was
the
one
she
reported.
That
response
was
an
email
from
December
the
23rd
honorable
speaking,
oh
I,
I
dare
I
just
think
that
honorable
speaker,
that
to
to
imply
that
one
is
a
response
to
the
other
is
inaccurate.
D
D
Honorable
speaker,
the
email
from
Dr
Stanwick
came
following
spring
break
and
Dr
Henry's
advice.
Honorable
speaker
continued
to
be
what
it
should
have
been,
which
is
stay
home
when
you're
sick
in
December.
At
a
time
of
high
contract
tracing
the
the
advice
continued
to
be,
we
briefed
on
the
same
day
the
email
was
put
out
and
the
advice
is
as
it
continues
to
be,
that
people
need
to
be
careful
and
stay
home
when
they're
sick.
It
is
a
time
of
contact,
racing
and
seeking
out
more
information
on
that
is
not
unreasonable.
D
Honorable
speaker,
Dr
Henry
has
consistently
provided
her
best
advice
and
the
suggestion
that
she
did
otherwise
is
simply
incorrect.
Does
that
mean
that
she's
right
every
single
time?
Of
course
not?
This
has
been
an
evolving
pandemic.
That's
challenged
Health
officers
everywhere
in
the
world
and
we
have
had
a
level
of
service
from
Dr
Henry
in
terms
of
transparency
to
the
public.
That
is
second
to
none
and
a
level
of
advice
and
guidance
that
has
benefited
the
people
of
BC.
Thank
you.
D
D
A
Mr
Speaker
every
day
we
hear
more
stories
of
a
Health
Care
system
that
is
collapsing
in
British,
Columbia,
Alan
writes
and
I
quote:
I
recently
spent
16
hours
in
the
emergency
waiting
room
with
extreme
chest,
pain,
I'm
73
years
old,
and
this
was
a
horrific
experience.
End
quote
the
ndp's
massive
failure
on
Health
Care
comes
against
a
backdrop
of
record
high
amounts
being
spent
on
Administration,
while
British
Columbians
face
increasingly
dire
results
when
it
comes
to
Health
Care
delivery.
A
In
fact,
financial
statements
show
that,
despite
a
crippling
health
health
care,
Staffing
shortage,
the
amount
of
funding
that's
going
towards
corporate
administrative
expenses
within
Health
authorities
under
this
Minister
has
increased
by
1.3
billion
dollars
billion
dollars
over
the
past
five
years.
That's
nearly
double
the
level
that
it
was
in
2017.
good
job.
How
can
this
minister
of
Health
justify
spending
1.3
billion
dollars
more
on
administrative
costs,
when
British
Columbians,
like
Allen,
aren't
able
to
get
the
care
that
they
deserve?
Will
this
Minister
do
the
right
thing
and
resign.
D
Minister
of
Health,
honorable
speaker,
I'm
glad
that
the
leader
of
the
opposition
was
lauding,
the
Canadian
Institute
for
health
information
because
they
actually
measure
these
things
and
what
the
Canadian
Institute
for
health
information
shows.
Honorable
speaker
is
pretty
straightforward:
there's
a
corporate
services,
expense
ratio
that
compares
jurisdictions
and
what
does
it
show?
It
shows
that
BC
has
won
the
lowest
rates
of
administration
in
the
country.
It
shows
that
the
situation
has
improved
since
2016.
D
D
Honorable
speaker,
that's
that's
why
we
that's
why
we
measure
these
things.
Honorable
speaker
and
the
record
honorable
speaker.
That's
why
the
Canadian
Institute
of
Health
Information
measures
these
things
so
that
when
people
stand
up
and
make
statements
that
are
incorrect,
it
gives
us
a
chance
to
correct
The
Honorable
speaker,
it's
a
very
positive
situation.
D
One
of
the
reasons
why
we
are
increasing
the
number
of
surgeries
increasing
the
number
of
diagnostic
exams,
increasing
the
number
of
staff
is
to
respond
to
these
very
issues,
because,
when
you're
waiting
for
care,
whether
it's
in
an
emergency
room,
whether
it's
for
an
ambulance
or
whether
it's
for
surgery,
honorable
speaker,
that's
the
most
important
thing
in
your
life,
and
we
know
it
and
that's
why
all
of
these
actions
have
been
taken.
Increased
nurses,
increased
doctors,
increased
surgeries,
increased
diagnostic
equipment
so
that
the
people
involved.
D
The
people
who
benefit
the
from
those
things
will
see
the
consequences.
Honorable
speaker
in
a
positive
thank
you.
We
are
living
honorable
speaker
through
two
Public
Health
emergencies
and
our
health
care
teams
are
doing
an
outstanding
job.
Can
we
do
better?
Absolutely
and
that's
why
we're
taking
these
actions.
B
B
A
You
Mr
Speaker,
we'll
talk
about
a
health
Minister
that
is
completely
out
of
touch
with
British
Columbians
when
it
comes
to
the
delivery
of
Health
Care
One
in
five.
Without
a
doctor,
people
dying
in
hallways
and
ERS
people
dying
waiting
for
an
ambulance
to
arrive,
ER
closures
that
become
routine
in
communities
all
over
the
province,
and
this
Minister
stands
up
and
and
and
and
portrays
the
system
that,
apparently,
is
the
best
in
the
country.
You
know
what
British
Columbians
really
care
about
are
positive
outcomes,
positive
results.
A
So
against
that
backdrop,
you
can
imagine
how
outraged
British
Columbians
are
to
learn
that
under
this
Minister
there
are
now
64
vice
presidents
across
Health
authorities,
each
earning
approximately
four
hundred
thousand
dollars
a
piece.
Now
this
does
nothing.
This
does
nothing
for
people
like
Tina,
who
says,
and
I
quote:
I
am
now
facing
a
mental
and
physical
health
crisis
and
I
have
no
doctor.
I
am
falling
through
the
cracks
of
a
broken
Health
Care
system,
and
there
must
be
a
accountability
from
this
incompetent
Health
Minister
and
his
team
of
no
answer
no
show
no
help.
A
End
quote:
how
can
this
health
Minister
justify?
Having
64
vice
presidents
across
the
health
authorities,
making
on
average
four
hundred
thousand
dollars
each
and
spending
1.3
billion
dollars
more
on
administrative
costs
today
than
in
2017,
when
people
like
Tina
can't
get
the
health
care
that
they
deserve
when
they
need
it.
D
Speaker
I
think,
honorable
speaker.
The
reason
why
the
Canadian
Institute
for
health
information
keeps
the
statistics
is
to
show
contracts.
We
were
last
in
Canada
10th
in
registered
nurses
in
2017,
and
that
has
impact
on
outcomes.
Honorable
speaker
in
90
percent
of
our
Care
Homes,
we
didn't
meet
Staffing
standards
because
we
had
a
government
that
had
launched
a
15-year
war
against
workers,
honorable
speaker
in
health
care
that
affected
the
quality
of
care
honorable
speaker
and
that
affected
it
in
all
in
every
care
home
in
British
Columbia.
D
And
it's
why
we've
taken
the
actions
we've
taken
to
get
rid
of,
for
example,
the
agency
that
was
set
up
to
contract
out
work.
I,
don't
speak
to
rid
that
and
to
bring
that
back
into
Health
authorities
so
that
honorable
speaker,
we
can
have
health
care
workers
working
for
health
authority
these
and
so
that
we
can
recruit
health
care
workers
that
we
need
in
the
future.
To
do
so,
we've
added
carries
we've
added
nurses,
we've
added
Health,
Sciences
professionals,
we've
added
doctors,
honorable
speaker
and
still
honorable
speaker
in
the
context
and
honorable
speaker.
D
G
Every
day
we
hear
stories
about
the
collapse
of
the
Health
Care
System
under
this
Minister's
watch,
Linda
recently
shared
her
story
with
me:
she's
a
73
year
old
woman,
going
through
waiting
lists,
waiting
lists
for
a
mammogram
waiting
list
for
an
ultrasound
another
waiting
list
for
a
biopsy
and
yet
another
one
for
her
surgery
and
after
these
weights,
when
she
finally
had
surgery,
the
tumor
had
grown
so
significantly
that
she
was
now
stage.
Four.
G
This
shouldn't
come
as
a
surprise
to
us.
The
radiologist
warned
us
of
the
tsunami
of
late
stage
cancer
cases
and
because
of
the
progression
while
Linda
waited.
She
now
has
to
undergo
both
radiation
and
chemotherapy,
but
instead
of
helping
to
work
helping
on
on
working
to
help
Linda,
this
Minister
has
put
1.3
billion
additional
dollars
in
increased
administrative
costs
instead
of
Frontline
workers.
G
B
D
Of
Health,
thank
you
very
much
honorable
speaker
every
case
in
British
Columbia
matters,
every
single
one,
I
don't
speak
here.
This
has
been
as
people
in
this
house
know
an
extraordinary
period
for
Public
Health
Care,
two
Public
Health
emergencies
that
aren't
even
recognized
in
their
questions.
D
You
know
honorable
speaker,
I,
guess,
please
the
the
opposition
healthily,
the
house
leader,
is
continuing
Heckle.
They
seem
to
suggest
that
the
questions
are
serious
and
then
they
don't
behave
that
way.
That's
fine!
That's
their
business!.
B
B
D
You
with
respect
to
Radiology
so
every
case
matters
and
and
when
people
struggle
in
getting
access
to
the
system,
the
system
needs
to
respond
to
that
and
it
and
in
very
significant
ways.
It
is
honorable
speaker,
after
a
long
period
of
government,
we
are
last
in
Canada
in
MRIS
right
we've
done
174
000
MRIs
in
the
2016-17
fiscal
year.
That's
174
000
people,
and
that
seems
like
a
lot
last
year
in
a
pandemic
was
296
000..
D
If
we
were
still
at
174
000,
can
you
imagine
what
the
circumstance
would
be
in
Radiology,
but
we're
not,
and
why
are
we
not
because
we
went
from
one
one
MRI
machine
going:
24
7
to
9
honorable
speaker,
we
went
from
four
going
16
7
to
18
honorable
speaker
and
we
added
17
public
MRI
machines.
Equally
with
respect
to
CT
scans.
You
know
who
we
pay
for
we
pay
for
Tech,
we
pay
for
staff
who
support
and
schedule
those
appointments
we
pay
for
Radiologists.
Those
are
the
things
we
pay
for
in
providing
that
care.