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In this BC Talk - we hear from local Buncombe County historian Marcell Proctor on the history of redlining, gentrification, and urban renewal in our community.
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So
we
are
here
with
mr.
Marcel
Proctor
and
we're
doing
another
series
for
the
Lunch
and
Learn
african-american.
Historical
intial
learn
also
continuing
the
conversation
and
I'm
elated
to
have
mr.
Proctor
here,
because
he
is
not
only
a
native
of
Asheville
and
a
pioneer
vash,
well
one
of
our
leaders
in
Nashville.
But
he
has
a
lot
of
history
on
redlining
gentrification
and
urban
renewal.
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A
Part
of
town
the
julep
had
mr.
Proctor,
so
you
grew
up
in
the
south
side
and
I
know.
So
we
also
know
like,
for
example,
one
of
the
main
locations.
I.
Think
or
you
know,
the
african-americans
hung
out
was
Eagle,
Market,
Street
and
Mexican
fat
fat.
My
father
grew
up
right
below
on
Eagle
Market
Street,
but
that
whole
section,
even
where
Stevens
Lee,
is
that
all
that's
going
now
and
what
about
the
neighborhoods
like
the
the
the
stock
towns
or
the?
What
happened
to
those
neighborhoods.
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Gonna
get
into
these
maps
mr.
Proctor
here
in
a
minute,
because
I
would
like
for
you
to
show
some
of
the
significance
in
the
map
in
the
layout
of
land,
but
you
actually
mentioned
something
just
a
minute
ago.
You
talked
about
you
know
when
you
think
about
urban
renewal
or
even
redlining,
you
think
about
houses,
and
you
think
about
you
know
specific
neighborhoods
being
you
know
either
decimated,
uprooted
and.
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A
B
Will
prove
it,
we
are
remember,
we
were
segregated,
we
had
to
live
in
our
community
and
we
wanted
a
cafe
or
whatever
it
goes
shoe
shop.
But
whatever
was
that
you
needed.
You
had
to
have
that
for
yourself,
because
she
couldn't
go
into
the
restaurants.
You
had
to
have
your
own
restaurants
and
that's
how
Eagle
Street
not
really
got
started,
but
but
it
was
more
there
than
any
other
place
in
the
black
community,
but
they
was
all
to
a
south
side.
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Well,
the
gator
closed
down
and
about
40
45
45
46,
because
Jane
Wilson
remember
going
but
I
never
did
go
because
they
had
shut
it
down
to
that
particular
Yaga.
I
used
to
watch
the
cowboy
movies
the
black
cowboy
movies
in
the
widow's
was
the
movies
and
I
wonder
what
ever
happened
to
him.
I
guess
they
burned
him
up
or
something
abnormal
way.
So.
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About
like
Stevens
Lee,
so
that
was
a
school
Stevens
Lee
was
the
school,
and
that
was
the
only
african-american
school
you
know
and
in
in
Western
North
Carolina,
but
didn't
a
lot
of
black
people
live
around
there.
How
was
that?
Well,
we
all
know
what
happened
to
the
school,
but
what
was
that
like?
Well.
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Redlining
never
stopped
it
never
stopped
a
little
bit
at
loose
sections
at
a
time
they
would.
They
would
take
down
the
more.
Why
folks
moved
to
the
city,
they
would
take
the
communities
down
and
build
houses
or
wedding
in
Longford
Avenue.
There's
a
group
of
houses,
that's
that
black
people
moved
in
and
why
folks
moved
out
of
them
and
they
built
new
houses
and
they
you.
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Did
it
that
way
and
and
to
do
it
now,
this
was
supposed
to
be
the
finishing
red
line
until
we
started
bring
it
up
about
what
they
was
gonna
do
and
that
map
that
you
see
laying
there
with
all
the
musical
colors
on
it.
We
went
over
to
UNCA
to
get
it
from
the
map
keepers
over
there.
They
did
everything
they
could
do.
They
wanted
to
know.
How
did
we
know
about
it,
who
told
us
about
it
and
where,
and
where
was
that
will
the
name
of
the
game?
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B
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Kept
nor
stuff
until
what
we're
seeing
two
assets
actor
right,
because
this
supposed
to
be
the
finishing
up,
is
to
go
in
and
all
the
property
to
city
owns
it.
They
didn't
put
it.
They
didn't
put
a
lot
of
things
on
it
and
they
didn't
have
no
plan
to
do
that,
because
now
they
put
buildings
everywhere.
Now
they
don't
have
a
lot
of
land
in
the
city,
because
they
what
black
people
lived
on
at
home,
that
was
kind
of
throw
away
stuff
and
back
in
the
policy
and
the
sixties
and
seventies.
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They
start
letting
people
come
in
and
just
build.
Anything
now
I
was
born
down
an
alignment
Harlem
Colfax
stirred
and
they
tore
down
my
parents,
house,
Wayne
Coleman,
all
those
other
people's
house
cuz
when
come
from
Stumptown,
and
they
told
all
that
they
told
the
houses
down,
and
you
know
they
never
built
nothing
there
until
they
put
that
big.
All
apart
mm-hmm
well
this
year
project
house
right
there
on
Bartlett
and
shoot.
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C
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B
These
people
change
the
name
to
every
damn
thing,
but
Lee
ed
was
they
got
three
schools
going
on
they're,
wonderful,
the
rich
folks,
children
and
one
for
the
other
two
white
folks
and
the
other
one
is
the
black
folks
that
when
they
get
out
of
there,
they
go
to
prison
or
they
have
to
leave
town.
What
I
chose
to
leave
town?
My
brothers
sisters,
cousins,
all
of
us
went
didn't
know
y'all,
but
I
not
been
back
here.
20
years
and
I
thought
coming
back,
that
that
would
be
a
change.
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A
Before
we
jump
into
these
maps.
Mr.
Proctor
I
want
to
actually
one
last
question
so
because
of
gentrification
redlining,
the
way
the
lay
of
the
land
here
in
national
in
Buncombe
County
has
been
done,
since
you
say
1937,
and
this
continuous
plan,
which
makes
a
lot
of
sense
because
you
know
like
I,
said
it
didn't
just
happen
yesterday.
That.
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B
It
didn't
change
and
I
feel
sorry
for
the
young
people.
Now
they
didn't
know
why
it
was
the
way
it
is
and
I
don't
know
if
what
they
had
other
older
folks
to
try.
I,
don't
know
that
if
the
older
blacks
ever
told
his
children
the
truth
about
what
happened,
and
they
still
don't
know-
and
they
still
don't
know
why
he
can't
get
jobs.
Why?
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Well,
let's
see
the
county
didn't
I
the
city
didn't
hire,
you
can
only
get
jobs,
you
know
if
they
had
taught
them
to
be
I
guess
we
would
have
been
picking
cotton
up
here,
but
then
it's
the
same
thing.
All
these
young
people
leave
and
leave
just
like
I
did,
and
that
was
alright.
With
my
folks.
We
just
left
and
never
come
back
and
I'm
glad
I
did
come
back.
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B
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C
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B
B
C
B
Yeah,
that's
right
now
that
commune
tea
was
had.
It
was
poor
white
folks
lived
in
there
and
they
worked
at
that
round.
House
were
to
turn
the
trains
around
and
the
reason
they
had
at
the
ends,
because
that
they
needed
that
kind
of
label,
and
you
could
walk
from
there
over
to
a
well
back
in
your
neighborhood
and
this
right
across
the
street.
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What
a
park
is
and
what
that
little
bridge
is
all
right
and
the
neighborhood
is
still
that,
but
they
never
did
go
in
and
tear
it
down,
and
this
the
only
one,
that's
red
that
that
they
that
they
left
over
there
in
the
community
now
they're
rebuilding
it.
But
that
thing
was
a
worse
than
when
we
lived
when
they
decided
to
tear
tear
on
the
houses.
What
they
did
is
they
they
moved
us
on,
and
then
we
went
to
the
yellow
second
grade.
We
went
to
the
third.
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B
A
This
is
a
question
that
we
may
not
be
able
to
answer.
Mr.
Proctor
mrs.
justifications
begin
and
we
noticed
the
city.
So
from
my
understanding-
and
this
may
not
be
true,
but
from
my
understanding
they
said
the
most
expensive
piece
of
property
and
action
of
kumano
today
is
me:
walk
lights?
That's
a
lie!
That's
what
that's!
What
I
heard
I
don't
know.
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B
They're
going
to
redo
it,
and
we
have
to
hope
that
black
people
can
still
live
there,
because
what
at
forward
company
is
that's
just
up
on
the
hill
from
well,
it
faces
bill.
So
the
thing
is:
they're
gonna.
Take
that
and
put
something
in
it,
but
I
guess:
gonna
put
houses
in
there
cuz
the
city
on
that
now,
but
on.
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B
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B
And
this
is
the
jinkies
hotel,
right,
schooner
and
their
world
apartment
houses
on
Southside,
all
right
and
from
here
it
goes
up.
A
sound
sign
goes
red
up,
and
you
know
what
just
erased
funeral
home
used
to
be
well
know:
Southside
went
up
is,
but
but
what
it
was.
It
went
into
Valley
Street
and
it
right
there
where
the
ballpark
is
that
low
part
where
they
had
popped.
A
called
wouldn't
want
to
come
off
that
mountain
and
settle
in
there.
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A
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A
B
A
B
A
B
A
B
It's
like
it's
like
the
inion
owner.
Would
that
owned
all
this
land
before
we
got
here
and
he'd
come
to
Europeans
and
everybody
else,
and
somebody
walked
up
the
French,
Broad
River
and
went
back
and
told
his
cousin
and
all
did
brothers
boy
here
is
some
land
down
here
that
we
can
take,
so
they
rode
in
and
they
just
took
the
land.
I
called
him
land
grabbers
they
go
all
over
the
world,
taking
people's
land,
a
killer
vehicle
and
they've
been
getting
away
with
stole.
B
A
A
A
B
A
B
A
B
A
B
Ever
know
and
see
it
come
from
here
up
from
the
ballpark.
It
comes
over
short
and
turn
and
come
down
on
this
side.
When
you
get
down
here
to
chop
chop
chop
talk,
it
goes
the
back
across
the
street
because
it's
on.
Besides
we
go
around
on
the
other
side
of
Street
and
it
was
open.
They
had
railings
where
you
could
walk
and
if
you
sell
them
there,
because
it
was
maybe
six
eight
feet
off.
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A
B
B
B
Comes
down
from
bulk
at
your
mouth
and
book
at
your
mama
and
down
a
Valley,
Street
and
right
on
through
and
kept
right
on,
run
this
well
I
say
it's
been
running
and
where
they
wanted
to
do
something
they
put
types
I,
don't
some
part
of
it.
His
own
is
in
tights,
but
most
of
it
is
out
and
the
people
that's
well.
They
think
that
bridge
is
all
they
got
bridges
all
around
the
corner.
This.