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From YouTube: Black Mountain Board of Alderman Meeting (Oct. 14, 2019)
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Regular Meeting of the Black Mountain Board of Alderman from Oct. 19, 2019. For more information you can visit townofblackmountain.org.
B
Gracious
God,
we
thank
you
for
the
ability
to
come
and
participate
in
the
government
of
our
town.
We
prayed
that
you
would
bless
us
with
your
presence
that
you
would
give
us
and
our
governor's
our
rulers
delegated
by
youth,
the
wisdom
that
comes
from
you
for
the
benefit
of
all
the
citizens
of
Black
Mountain.
B
A
A
A
And
one
other
announcement,
I'd
like
to
just
mention
something
about
our
town
manager.
He
was
elected
in
North,
Carolina,
Association,
owning
officials,
president
statewide
organization
of
585
and
that's
elected
by
his
peers,
people
who
are
professionals
at
that
job
and
have
respect
for
him
and
the
job
that
he
does
and
make
a
long
story
short.
A
Congratulations
to
him
and
Angela
Reese.
She
is
the
association
of
municipal
clerks.
She
was
the
state
certification
committee
chair
and
it
is
a
statewide
organization
of
577.
We've
got
two
folks
here
from
Black
Mountains
that
are
recognized
by
their
respective
associations
in
this
state
and
we
were
proud
to
have
them
and
honored
that
we've
got
the
folks
that
are
capable
of
having
the
respect
of
their
peers
and
with
that.
C
I'm
not
sure
at
this
time
how
long
I
will
be
back
so
just
kind
of
swept
some
rumors
that
have
been
rolling
around
town
I
have
been
diagnosed
with
stage
4
pancreatic
cancer
and
I
started
treating
it
today
for
that.
My
chemotherapy
and
it's
gonna
be
twice
a
month
for
deal
to
go
through
now
until
March
and
then
I'll
stop
and
check
and
see
how
everything
is
and
if
it
look
good,
they'll
discharge
me.
C
Anybody
follows
me
on
Facebook
note
that
I've
long
already
said
that
this
is
a
fight
I
mean
for
my
life
and
I'm
gonna
fight
it
all
the
way
I
can
and
I
asked
for
your
prayers.
I.
Thank
you
for
those
who
have
sent
cards.
Food
prayers,
telephone
calls
visits
whatever
shilling
I.
Thank
you
very
much
and
that.
C
A
D
A
But
that's
for
stormwater,
that's
not
for
regular
citizen
comments.
Okay
next
is
communication
with
boards,
Commission's
and
agencies.
First
of
all,
I'd
like
to
have
mostly
remove
C
and
D.
Both
the
presenters
there.
Another
and
Jake
Matthews
are
sick
and
not
work
today.
So
can
I
have
that
motion
remove
scene,
D,
so
moved
home.
Favor
motion
approved
okay,
AARP,
North,
Carolina,
mountain
region,
Rebecca,
chaplain
and
Melinda
mall.
E
Well,
I
want
to
thank
you
all
for
your
service
to
the
alderman,
the
vice
mayor,
the
mayor,
all
you
who
are
working
for
the
community
here
this
the
invitation
to
be
with
you
today
came
from
an
event
that
AARP
and
the
YMCA
and
Black
Mountain
put
together
a
couple
of
weeks
ago,
livable
communities
and
each
family
communities
and
how
how
AARP
acted
as
a
convener
with
the
YMCA
to
really
just
build
on
a
discussion,
and
some
of
you
here
were
at
that
meeting.
Some
of
the
invitations
might
have
gotten
to
people
a
little
bit
late.
E
We
appreciate
the
opportunity
to
say
more
about
that
here.
Thank
you
for
the
invitation.
Maggie
I'd
like
to
address
a
few
things
before
my
colleague
here.
Mindy
comes
up,
and
one
of
those
is
just
you
know
who
is
AARP,
because
there
are
some
perceptions
about
who
AARP
is
and
then
I'd
like
to
move
into
that
age
friendly
and
livable,
community
and
initiative.
E
We
have
about
56
volunteers
who
are
working
those
counties,
but
our
strength
really
lies
in
our
partnerships
with
others,
so
the
advocacy
I
just
would
like
to
give
some
examples
of
that
and
then
I'll
narrow
it
down
to
the
the
local
level,
which
is
the
H
family
communities
work
on
a
federal
level.
Aarp
is
a
non
partisan
organization
on
a
federal
level.
Right
now
we
look
at
issues
like
the
cost
of
prescription
drugs
on
a
state
level.
E
There's
legislation
that
helps
family
caregivers
legislation
that
helps
small
business
owners
to
help
their
employees
to
save
for
retirement.
Those
are
some
of
the
examples
of
legislation
on
a
local
level
at
AARP.
We
know
that
that's
where
most
the
change
can
happen.
It's
actually
in
community's
working
with
decision
makers
and
influencers
and
community
leaders
like
you
all
so
the
age-friendly
are
livable
communities.
Initiative
is
a
form
of
local
advocacy
and
it's
really
designed
to
help
empower
communities
to
make
changes
to
make
a
community
more
livable.
E
That
includes
things
like
on
a
non
tangible
level
like
civic
participation
or
employment
opportunities
to
volunteer
social
participation,
but
then
it
also
interweaves
with
the
physical
environment,
for
example
like
mountains,
a
great
example
of
communal
places,
where
people
can
sit,
connect
with
one
another
streets
that
are
walkable
housing,
that's
affordable
and
accessible.
So
you
can
see,
there's
different
aspects
to
a
livable
community
and
every
community
is
doing
well
in
some
areas
and
has
opportunities
to
improve
in
other
areas.
The
age-friendly
communities
network
is
a
network
spearheaded
by
AARP
in
the
United
States.
E
It's
not
something
that
AARP
does,
but
it's
something
that
many
RP
works
with
community
to
do
so
many
of
you,
many
of
you,
probably
don't
know
that
Buncombe
County
joined
this
network
of
H
family
communities
in
2017,
so
they've
started
this
process
and
their
focus
is
on
affordable,
accessible
housing,
which
I
think
is
you
know
an
issue
all
over
North
Carolina
for
all
of
us.
In
some
and
some
communities,
a
town
or
municipality,
chooses
to
join
this
network
of
H
family
communities
with
the
county,
and
then
they
work.
E
You
know
in
partnership
in
different
ways,
so
an
example
would
be
like
Mecklenburg
and
Charlotte
are
both
independently
part
of
this
network.
So
my
role
today
was
to
share
with
you
a
little
bit
of
information
about
the
network
of
age
communities
as
an
opportunity
that
maybe
something
black
mountain--
might
be
interested
in
pursuing
at
some
point.
It
does
require
the
endorsement
of
the
highest
elected
official
in
that
community,
but
then
that
begins
the
community
work.
I
also
just
wanted
to
kind
of
share
this
overall
perspective.
E
A
way
of
thinking
that
a
community
that
is
liveable
for
people
as
they
are
aging
is
liveable
for
all
people,
so
I
have
a
one-year-old
and
when
I'm
walking
the
best
stroller
I
can
really
see
what
it
would
be
like
if
I
had
a
walker
or
wheelchair,
because
I
can
tell
that
you
know
it's
hard
to
get
around
certain
areas.
That's
just
one
example
of
how
a
community-
that's
you
know
liveable
for
somebody
over
50
or
as
we're
aging
is
really
something
for
everyone.
E
This
group
that
convened
a
couple
of
weeks
ago,
is
looking
to
continue
to
get
together
to
discuss
ways
in
which
we
can
find
projects
and
opportunities
to
support
the
livability
of
the
community,
and
we
would
be
excited
to
work
with
you
in
any
ways
that
open
up
have
some
materials.
Is
there
a
good
place
to
leave
materials?
Angela?
Okay,
so
have
some
booklets
and
some
business
cards
so
that,
if
you're
interested
in
pursuing
this
further,
we
can
invite
you
to
join
the
meetings
that
we'll
be
moving
forward.
E
B
F
Name
on
here
is
Melinda,
but
my
the
name
I
go
by
was
Mindy,
so
feel
free
to.
Of
course,
I'm
called
a
lot
of
other
names
that
we
won't
discuss.
I
am
currently
retired,
not
retired,
and
I
came
to
the
Y
grew
up.
I
called
myself.
A
brat
I
was
one
of
the
first.
You
know.
I
was
in
that
genre,
where
kids
started
going
to
the
wild
women
and
children
and
boys
and
girl,
you
know,
mixing
and
integrating.
F
Why
is
the
last
one
to
incorporate?
They
help
the
aging?
This
is
how
we
kind
of
connected
with
Rebecca
and
AARP.
Looking
at
what
does
that
mean
and
the
term
some
people
are
interested
in
getting
rid
of
it.
You
know
we
the
labels
and
things,
particularly
with
persons
with
that
have
a
little
age,
they're,
50
and
older.
It's
like
you
know.
F
Why
do
we
even
need
a
label
and
for
the
Y,
it's
kind
of
like
we're,
not
really
trying
to
define
you
we're
trying
to
define
the
services
that
will
be
offered
that
you
might
be
interested
in
and
believe
it
or
not
50-year
olds
have
different
interests
than
10
year,
old,
kids
at
12
and
15
and
20
and
30,
and
on
up
we
have
people
in
our
organization
that
are
a
hundred
101
and
102
that
come
to
the
Y
and
work
out
to
me.
That's
phenomenal!
F
Now,
when
I
grew
up,
you
were
supposed
to
work,
you
were
supposed
to
retire
and
then
you
were
supposed
to
die,
but
that's
not
what's
happening
in
our
communities.
Today,
the
older
generation,
it's
out
there
they're
active
they're
involved,
and
sometimes
there
are
not
resources
to
help
support
the
lifestyle
that
that
we
that
we
want
and
I
think
that's
how
the
liveable
community,
the
concept
to
me
just
blows
my
mind,
because
Black
Mountain
is
a
livable
community.
F
I
did
some
advocacy
on
behalf
of
trying
to
keep
funding
going
for
our
Lakeview
center
for
active
aging
and
when
I
wrote
my
dissertation
or
my
little
narrative
or
whatever
you
want
to
call
it
to
the
bigger
government.
I
said:
I
live
in
Black
Mountain,
it
is
a
livable
community.
There
are
people
out
there
who
are
not
as
fortunate
as
me
and
Rebecca
made
a
comment,
one
time,
I
kind
of
landed
here
on
employment.
F
You
know
opportunity
I,
landed
by
accident
and
stayed
because
I
wanted
to
it's
a
wonderful
place
to
be
and
I
don't
have
a
whole
lot
of
other
things
to
say
chest
char.
They
started
out
with
about
a
thousand
members
that
doesn't
mean
that
we
have
a
thousand
people
it.
You
know
the
little
facility
at
one
time
and
then
cheshire
built
up
to
about
2000
with
the
Y
coming
in
the
membership
currently
at
like
Mount
YMCA
is
4,000
people
and
that's
phenomenal.
F
Over
half
of
those
people
are
50
or
older
and,
as
I
said,
that
page
ring
goes
up,
and
so,
as
people
are
medically
challenged,
as
they
are
challenged
to
get
out
and
fight.
Some
of
the
diseases
that
come
with
age,
some
of
the
things
that
prohibit
us
from
maintaining
the
quality
of
life,
we're
trying
to
help
support
that
through
classes,
through
involvement
through
outreach
by
reaching
out
to
governments
and
to
people
in
the
community.
F
So
the
wives
here
and
we
just
want
to
put
a
face
on
it,
and
let
you
know
that
we're
here
I'm
not
soliciting
for
membership
I!
Don't
do
that
kind
of
thing!
That's
not
in
my
repertoire,
but
I
do
advocate
for
H
friendly
living
and
this
community
has
it
already
I
mean
whether
you
recognize
it
or
not.
Coming
from
the
outside
and
coming
in,
and
seeing
that
motion
is
something
for
you
guys
to
be
proud
of
it's
something
that
I
think
is
really
and
I.
Think
it's
supported
by
everybody
that
lives
here.
F
Everybody
I've
come
in
contact
with,
so
that's
me
and
will
bow
out
and
I.
Thank
you
for
your
time
very
much
and
like
that
Rebecca
said
we
will
be
probably
sponsoring
other
things
and
you're
welcome
to
come
too.
You
know
whatever
we
decide
whatever
kind
of
shindig,
we
don't
throw
out
there,
but
just
know
that
we're
here
and
that
we're
glad
to
be
here
all
right.
Thanks.
C
F
Is
and
I
think
that
there
are
discounts
now.
I
cannot
speak
to
that
I'm,
not
a
membership
representative,
but
I
do
know
that
they
have
scholarships
for
people
who
are
on
fixed
incomes
that
you
can
make
an
application
for
that.
There
are
certain
insurances
that
the
wat
does
accept
and
I'm
not
sure
about
members
with
government.
F
C
D
Good
evening,
thank
you
for
your
time.
I'll
I'll
try
to
be
brief
and
is
and
get
get
everything
in.
First
I
just
want
to
introduce
introduce
myself.
My
name
is
Bryan
JV
I'm,
a
resident
of
PAH
Creek,
my
wife
and
I-
are
the
children?
Are
not
the
children
were
the
parents
of
five
children?
We
just
recently
got
back
from
a
trip
in
Ecuador.
We
lived
there
for
the
summer.
D
We
wanted
our
children
to
have
an
international
experience
and
just
see
what
life
was
like
outside
of
the
borders
of
our
great
country,
and
it
was
a
great
experience
for
them
and
for
us,
I
I'm,
the
CTO
at
advanced
data
and
I
hold
a
bunch
of
certifications.
I've
worked
hard
over
the
last
20
years
to
to
get
educated
in
our
in
our
industry.
D
Today,
we're
here
to
talk
about
securing
the
data
of
a
black
mountain
and
the
information
that
we
we
have
here,
both
in
the
town
and
then
the
in
the
PD
and
how
we
do
that,
and
so
there
are.
There
are
really
three
pillars
of
security
and
I
have
them
up
there.
Cia
is
the
acronym
that
we
always
use,
and
that
is
for
confidentiality,
integrity
and
availability,
so
confidentiality
is
simply
keeping
things
that
should
be
secret
secret,
that
they're
not
easily
accessible
by
anyone
shouldn't
have
them.
D
Integrity
is
just
that
the
data
is
what
it
should
be,
so
example,
if
you're
at
the
ATM
and
you're
making
a
withdrawal,
you
want
the
numbers
that
you
type
in
to
actually
reflect
that
on
your
accounts,
that's
integrity,
and
then
availability
is
simply
that
it's
there
when
you
need
it,
and
that
when
you
go
to
access
that
data
that
there's
nothing
that's
keeping
it
away
from
you
and
so
inside
of
inside
of
CIA.
There
are
also
some
different
types
of
controls.
D
There
is
administrative
controls
and
those
are
typically
those
revolve
around
processes
and
procedures
and
policies.
There
are
technical
controls
and
that's
what
advanced
data
helps
to
make
implement.
That's
what
I'm
going
to
talk
mostly
about
today
and
then
there
are
physical
controls
to
keep
that
data
safe
from
from
physical
access.
So
what
are
the
largest
threats
that
municipalities
face?
Well,
if
anybody
who's
paid
attention
to
the
news,
20:19
has
been
really
brutal.
For
municipalities,
there
have
been
some
really
large
events.
D
A
Baltimore
is
probably
the
one
that
that
is
the
largest,
that
I
can
think
of,
and
I
I'll
get
to
it
in
a
minute
in
terms
of
the
damage
that
was
done
but
and
a
lot
of.
But
what
you're
reading
about?
In
the
news
and
hearing
the
news
has
to
do
with
ransomware,
specifically
for
municipalities
and
what
ransomware
is
it
in
essence?
It's
when
somebody
takes
data,
they
encrypt
it
and
they
hijack
the
idea.
D
So
here
are
the
effects.
So,
just
on
on
NPR
last
I
think
was
two
weeks
ago.
There
was
a
great
story
that
talked
about
in
North,
Carolina
municipalities
being
hit
with
ransomware,
and
if
the
the
graph
right
there
just
shows
from
2016
2017
2018
2019,
the
number
of
reported
incidents,
that
of
ransomware
hitting
a
municipality
in
North,
Carolina
and
I,
put
the
incidents
up
there.
They
they
did
not
disclose
the
financial
impact,
but
they
did
disclose
the
number
of
days
that
they
were
out
recovering
from
that
incident.
D
And
so
you
can
see
that
you
can
see
those
they're
Orange
County
in
Greenville,
Robeson,
town,
Lincoln,
County.
So
and
then
we
get
to
the
big
ones
that
made
national
news,
which
was
Atlanta
where
they
had
17
million
in
damages,
and
they
were
out
for
six
days.
We
had
Baltimore
that
was
18
million
in
damages
and
was
out
for
nine
days,
and
then
there
was
a
town
in
Florida
that
ended
up
paying
a
ransom
because
they
had
no
other
recourse
to
get
their
data
and
they
paid
six
hundred
thousand
dollars
to
get
their
data
back.
C
D
This
is
because
it's
lucrative
that's
really
what
this
is.
This
is
trying
to
get
money
out
of
organizations,
and
this
is
a
way
that
they
found
that
they
can
do
it
there
they're
having
success.
So
how
are
we
providing
protection?
Well,
one
I
just
wanted
to
point
out
that
advanced
data.
We,
we
have
a
team
of
about
thirty-five
technicians
that
work
on
behalf
of
the
town
and
that's
our
job
is
to
make
sure
that
we're
keeping
things
running,
that
we
follow
the
pillow,
we're
pillars
of
CIA
and
that
we
keep
that
data
that
data
secure.
D
So
we're
going
to
talk
about
specifically
how
we're
doing
that
first
is
email,
so
we
filter
the
email
coming
into
the
town
for
malware.
Malware
is
really
just
anything
like
viruses
or
phishing.
Anything
that
is
has
any
mal-intent,
and
this
graph
here
shows
that
64
percent
of
the
mail
that
is
sent
to
the
town
is
actually
rejected,
so
the
email
that
comes
in
is
36%
and-
and
we
can
kind
of
show
there,
how
that's
divvied
up
with
with
spam
messages
or
an
RBL
reject.
There
is
a
real-time
blacklist.
D
Those
are
that's
a
list
of
known
bad
actors.
If
you
will
on
the
internet
that
we
refuse
to
receive
email
from
anti-malware.
That's
typically,
that's
called
in
our
industry
antivirus,
but
it's
kind
of
expanded
to
include
things
that
aren't
really
viruses,
but
we
have
anti-malware
software
running
on
all
the
towns
equipment
and,
as
we
can
see
in
the
past
three
months,
there
were
65
incidents
that
were
quarantined
where
there
was
a
detection
on
systems.
D
12
of
those
were
viruses,
but
we
can
see
that
there
was
ad
ware
and
fraud
and
phishing
just
some
some
other
categories
of
malware
that
was
detected
and
then
also
as
a
part
of
this.
We
run
software
updates
in
all
of
the
towns
machines
on
a
weekly
basis
to
hatch
against
vulnerabilities
that
might
exist
in
the
system,
because
that's
how
these
these
bad
actors
are
often
getting
in
is
through
some
known
backdoor,
because
I
just
volunteered,
and
so
we
update
the
software
to
prevent
from
them
from
happening
backups.
D
We
take
backups
every
night
of
all
of
the
town's
data.
Now
this
is
by
far
the
number
one
way
to
safeguard
against
a
ransomware
attack,
because
let's
say
that
ransomware
does
hit
a
server
and
it
encrypts
everything
on
that
on
that
device.
It
really
is
it's
locked
down,
there's
in
any
way,
we
can
get
it
back,
and
so
we
backup
in
two
ways
we
backup
once
to
a
backup
appliance,
that's
here
in
the
town
and
then
we
also
push
that
backup
off-site
so
that
we
have
it
in
two
different
places.
D
That
would
also
protect
us
against
the
availability
of
this
building,
for
example,
if
something
was
to
happen,
that
we
could
recover
that
data,
and
so
there's
just
we're
showing
that
we
have
successful
backups
every
night
and
then,
lastly,
the
network
security,
so
we
have
firewalls
at
the
edge
of
the
network,
meaning
where
the
internet
meets
the
meets
the
internal
network
and
on
those
firewalls
we
have
intrusion
prevention
systems.
We
have
that
web
filtering.
We
have
application
control
to
see
what
types
of
applications
are
running.
We
have
antivirus.
D
D
Also
the
it
relation
related
to
that
is
the
idea
of
a
coordinated
phishing
campaign,
and
what
this
is
is.
This
is
something
that
the
IT
staff
will
do
where
they
will
send
out
a
phishing
campaign
that
is
approved.
We
will
not
block
it
and
we
will
see
who
clicks
on
what
and
then
it
generates
reports
to
show
ok.
Well,
we
see
that
we
did
fifteen
percent
of
the
people
clicked
on
this.
This
phishing
campaign
that
we
allowed
through.
D
D
If
we
lose
a
carrier
here
at
the
town
hall
that
it
won't
take
out
active
accessibility
to
data
elsewhere,
so
just
in
closing
just
want
to
point
out
that
today,
we've
really
spoken
about
this
middle
one,
technical
on
either
side
of
that
as
administrative
and
physical.
That
could
still
be
addressed,
probably
not
by
us,
but
we'd,
be
happy
to
work
in
concert
with
whoever
would
be
best
to
speak
about
that,
to
just
make
sure
that
the
data
of
the
town
is
secure
and
that's
it.
Thank
you
very
much.
I
appreciate
your
time.
H
D
H
Well,
you
know
and
I
think,
at
least
in
my
opinion
and
I'm
sure
you
know,
Dean
would
agree
with
it
that
I
think
we
don't
have
any
choice
but
to
make
it
a
priority.
I
think
our
citizens
would
be.
You
know,
disappointed
if
they
knew
we
weren't
doing
everything
we
could
to
keep
keep
keep
them.
Keep
our
system
secure,
I'm,
curious
and
I
know
this
that
isn't
necessarily
where
you
know
you
are,
but
I
bet
you
know,
but
are
we
are
we
connected
as
every
is
every
desktop
or
laptop?
D
D
D
So
with
a
what
we
call
client
VPN,
they
can
remote
into
the
talent
to
to
access
information,
and
then
there
is
access
to
town
email
from
the
outside
of
the
network.
We
can,
we
can
walk
accounts
and
we
can
also
remotely
wipe
email
from
devices
that
they
were
ever
lost
so
that
that
so
that
and
really
the
devices
have
a
pin
on
them.
So
you
can't
get
into,
but
it'll
say
that
somebody
was
able
to
break
that
and
get
in
then
we
can
remotely
wipe
the
email
yeah
if
they
were
able
to
get
past.
I
I
5B
is
a
budget
amendment
for
downtown
parking
and
circulation
study
accounting.
So
this
is
a
project
that
has
been
underway
for
a
number
of
months
now.
This
was,
if
you
recall,
this
was
funded
in
mostly
by
the
French
Broad
River
NPO
28,000
dollars
came
from
the
total
cost
of
the
project
was
$35,000,
so
we
are
going
to
be
appropriating
fun
balance
for
four
thousand
seven
hundred
and
fifty
dollars
and
need
to
do
a
budget
minute
for
that
that
is
kind
of
splitting
year.
So
that's
that's.
I
I
We
received
and
spent
the
majority
of
this
money
in
last
year's
fiscal
year,
so
we
need
to
do
a
fund
balance
appropriation
for
twenty
thousand.
Excuse
me:
twenty
one
thousand
six
hundred
twenty-five
dollars,
but
it's
really
only
going
to
impact
us
$5,000
total
item.
5D
is
budget
limit
for
tomahawk
stream
bank
stabilization.
This
is
also
a
grant-funded
project.
Fifty
percent
was
supplied
by
NC
DEQ
$74,000,
the
town's
responsible
for
the
remaining
$74,000.
I
I
5E
goes
along
with
5d.
This
is
for
the
capital
project
amendment
to
the
tomahawk
extreme
capital
projects
find.
Since
this
is
a
multi-year
project,
we
need
to
make
an
amendment
to
that
capital,
project
or
events
and
five
F
is
a
budget
amendment
for
AC
repairs
at
our
building
at
3
or
4
Black
Mountain
Avenue,
the
AC
comped
out
this
summer
cost
us
fourteen
thousand
six
hundred
seventy
five
dollars.
We
were
going
to
just
do
some
repair
work,
but
the
units
were
so
old.
I
J
C
The
most
important
word
in
there
was
the
grant
that
we
got
a
lot
of
grants
to
help
pay
for
those
projects
and
a
lot
of
times
folks
want
to
sit
back
and
talk
about
the
ways
that
money's
being
spent
spending
the
town's
money
spent
in
taxpayer
money.
But
we
got
grants
for
a
lot
of
that
stuff
and
what
a
little
picky
and
grant
cedar
with
some
big
money
so
Josh
you
and
your
staff
to
be
commended
for
going
above
and
beyond
Jessica
and
anybody
else
that
was
involved
in
that
we
thank
you
appreciate
it.
A
Carlos
all
right
I
have
set
some
comments
for
any
unfinished
or
new
business.
No,
don't
see
anyone
has
signed
up
for
that.
You
have
anybody.
Does
it
didn't
sign
up
for,
like
speaking
unfinished
review
business,
only
hearing,
none
then
we'll
go
to
unfinished
business
and
I
guess
number
a
mr.
Sneed
there's.
K
A
port
notice
you've
received
an
offer,
for
the
property,
was
a
marketing
that
they
came
to
us,
but
not
machine
and
tool
came
and
made
it
all
from
the
property.
It
is
available
that
the
board
decided
it
was
surplus,
and
so
it's
available
for
sale
that
was
advertised
as
required
in
the
law
and
you've
got
an
upset
bid.
They
can
raise
the
bid
five
hundred
forty
four
thousand
dollars.
Approximately
notice
had
to
be
published
again
and
by
next
Monday
will
either
no.
If
we
get
another
upset
bid,
or
that
is
the
high
bid.
K
If
that's
the
high
bid,
then
we'll
proceed
toward
close
I
will
say
that
with
every
bid
you
know
it's
one
thing
to
be
it.
It's
another
closed
I
was
in
touch
with
returning
from
Black
Mountain
machine
and
to
who
could
have
come
and
picked
up
their
deposit.
Ultimately,
I
didn't
hear
from
him
again.
I
think
they've
left
their.
There
was
bid
on
the
table
and
we've
bent
the
hard
to
fall
through
for
no
reason
well,.
I
I'm
gonna
have
Jessica
come
up
and
and
speak
to
this
as
well,
but
I'll,
say
I
think
it
hour
at
our
last
our
last
meeting
the
meeting
prior
to
that
we
did
adopt
a
resolution
to
change
Cherry
Street
to
one-way
traffic.
I
think
you
know
after
that
meeting
I
guess
that
would
have
been
August.
The
August
meeting
before
the
September
meeting
I
did
speak
with
at
least
one
person
that
has
a
business
on
Cherry
Street.
He
seemed
to
think
that
there
needed
to
be
some
more
input.
I
They
weren't
completely
happy
with
the
decision
of
us,
changing
it
to
one
way:
heading
northbound,
I
think
they
they
were
in
favor
of
one
way:
heading
southbound.
You
know,
we've
had
a
consultant
to
to
give
us
the
reasons
for
and
against
both
ways.
I
think
a
couple
times
and
we
had.
We
did
reach
out
to
the
business
owners
on
Cherry
Street.
We
had
a
meeting
here
at
Town
Hall
and
if
Jessica,
if
you
don't
mind,
to
come
up
and
just
kind
of
walk
us
through
the
feedback
from
that
meeting,
please.
L
We
had
about
15
businesses
represented
the
majority
were
from
Cherry
Street.
We
had
a
couple
representatives
from
Cherry
Street
in
one
or
two
from
outside
core
business
district.
The
general
feeling
was
that
they
would
prefer
to
leave
Cherry
Street
alone.
If
it
couldn't
be
one
way,
southbound
that
that's
the
general
gist,
we
tried
to
have
some
vote.
Dotting
exercises
to
collect
that
feedback
and
whatnot,
and
that
was
the
the
general
tenor
of
the
room
explained.
L
Are
a
couple
of
challenges
in
going
southbound?
One
of
the
primary
ones
is
that
if
you're
trying
to
turn
left
to
go
down
to
Sutton,
it
only
takes
two
or
three
car
lengths
before
you
start
to
back
up
into
the
Montreat
and
Broadway
intersection,
and
actually
it's
interesting.
If
you
look
at
who
is
in
favor
of
northbound,
it
is
mostly
people
on
State
Street
who
watched
the
cars
line
up
and
back
up
into
the
intersection.
That's
one
of
the
bigger
reasons.
L
Also,
the
pedestrian
cross
at
the
top
of
Terry
and
state
is
not
a
great
intersection
for
pedestrians.
It's
very
wide.
The
geometry
is
pretty
strange.
If
somebody's
trying
to
turn
right
to
go
go
south,
they
have
to
come
into
the
middle
of
the
intersection
to
have
enough
on
up
site
in
order
to
make
that
turn
so
pedestrians
can
be.
You
know
you
know
a
quarter
of
the
way
across
and
then
here
comes
a
car.
L
If
we
went
northbound,
it
gives
us
an
opportunity
to
narrow
that
section
at
the
top
which
protects
the
parallel
parking
on
the
left
side
of
the
street
and
as
well
as
reduce
the
number
of
feet
pedestrians
have
to
cross,
which
makes
it
safer.
Those
are
some
of
the
favorite
ones,
but
the
list
was
fairly
lengthy.
I
think.
L
Going
up
hill
is
a
natural
traffic
calming
also
trying
to
parallel
park,
walk
going
uphill,
you
have
to
adapt
your
gas
and
there's.
You
know.
There's
enough
cars,
tapping
bumpers
already
on
Cherry
Street
in
the
parking
recommendations,
they
did
recommend
increasing
the
truck
the
parking
stalls
of
slightly
to
help
reduce
some
of
that
and
accommodates
in
the
larger
vehicles.
G
L
How
many
cars
are
there
at
lunchtime
on
Wednesday
and
Saturday
morning
and
at
dinner
time
during
and
we
captured
it
during
the
school
year
when
we
knew
it
was
just
a
regular
if
we
had
regular
types
of
traffic,
it
wasn't
all
his
season
for
locals,
and
you
know
that
we
found
that
the
majority
of
those
who
were
growing
up
in
Nigeria
are
looking
for
parking,
and
so,
if
they
have
to
circle
back,
then
that
was
seen
as
a
trade-off
for
the
improvements
that
could
be
made.
Otherwise,.
M
H
You
know
I'm
bond
with
you
Maggie,
the
other,
the
other
thought
I
have,
since
you
know
what
I
think
since
the
very
beginning
of
our
discussion
about
this,
our
thought
was
that
these
are
merchants
on
Cherry
Street
made
the
investment
and
they're
in
town,
and
so
we
were
trying
to
accommodate
and
please
and
listen
to
them
and
so
forth
and
I.
Think
we've
we've
done
that
I.
Am
you
know
if
the
rest
of
the
board
is
agreeable
to
thought
about
going
northbound
on
an
experimental
basis?
H
You
know
I
mean
Oh
Maggie,
that's
that
sounds
fine
with
me.
I
think
the
merchants
just
need
to
know
that
we're
trying
to
work
that
out
and
see
what
it
is.
The
only
issue
with
that
is
that
it
seems
to
really
get
the
benefit
out
of
that
is
to
me
one
of
the
more
significant
benefits
of
the
north
bound
plan
was
narrowing.
H
H
I'd
say
that
we
that
we,
that
we
accommodate-
and
it's
not
just
accommodating
based
on
their
wishes,
but
the
north
bound
is
the
best
recommendation
south
bound,
not
the
best
recommendation
and
leaving
it
as
it
is
also
another
comment
that
I
think
is
salient
to
the
point
of
leaving
it
as
it
is
that
the
consultants
mention
more
than
one
or
two
times
that
the
traffic
flow
is
not
terribly
heavy.
Their
measurements.
L
H
Well,
I
mean
they're
the
ones
that
you're
getting
the
deliveries
and
they're
the
ones
that
don't
want
it.
So
you
know
what
can
you
say
so
anyway
that
we
might
might
keep
this?
For
you
know
it
would
be
to
to
leave
it
as
it
is,
as
that
is
the
results
of
the
input
from
the
merchants
who
have
invested
there
and.
J
L
H
H
That's
right,
and
actually,
as
far
as
marking
it
off
does
it
make
really
any
difference.
Does
it
and
the
only
difference
we
could
it?
What's
the
downside
of
good,
you
know
going
with
Maggie's,
you
know
first
saw
about
you
know
giving
it
a
shot
one
way
for
it,
especially
be
nice.
This
time
of
year,
we'll
get
through
the
you
know,
through
October
and
the
traffic
a
little
less
for
the
next
few
months,
to
give
it
a
shot
and
see
what
it
looked
like.
H
But
we
wouldn't
we
wouldn't
change
the
crosswalk
we'd
make
minimal
I
mean
we're
gonna,
you
know
the
the
striping
doesn't
make
any
difference,
it
would
be
the
same
regardless,
and
so
we
just
simply
don't
make
some
of
the
some
of
the
improvements
that
may
I
don't
see.
Where
would
be
any
worse
for
the
wear.
L
G
H
A
I
I
All
right
a
day
is
to
award
a
contract
for
snow
removal
services.
We've
done
this
for
a
number
of
years,
with
Blue
Ridge
water
escapes
after
last
year's
snow
event.
We
realized
that
we
may
need
some
help
at
from
time
to
time
we're
trying
to
be
proactive
and
have
something
in
place
should
we
need
help
from
another
company
to
help
us
out,
especially
in
the
high
country.
I
This
isn't
something
that
they
will
automatically
come
out
and
do
this
is
something
that
we
will
be
calling
them
looking
at
weather
like
we
always
do
see
if
we
need
their
services
to
have
them
come
out
and
help
us,
so
we
don't
get
in
that
situation
again.
It
is
a
little
more
expensive.
I
think
that
they
have
a
lower
rate
is
about
30
more
dollars
an
hour
for
this
company.
This
company
does
have
numerous
contracts
with
Duke
Energy
with
VOT.
I
A
K
Of
this
right,
all
right
as
the
board
is
fully
aware
of
the
saying
start
developing
to
find
that
agreement
was
at
least
a
memorandum.
Would
it
open
if
they
built
the
system,
the
water
system,
their
standards?
We
would
take
it
over
in
2013.
A
resolution
was
passed,
settings
and
benchmarks
for
getting
that
done
and
expect
to
be
done
within
the
year
and
then
we
sort
of
would
sleep.
The
will
on
that.
K
There
are
a
few
things
left
to
clean
up,
but
what
you
have
in
front
of
you
is
a
resolution,
19
19,
and
if
that
resolution
passes
you're
you're
approving
an
agreement
with
the
settings
whereby
we
take
over
their
maintenance
of
their
systems,
it's
a
two-part
deal
and
Jamie
puts
it.
If
it's
in
the
ground,
it's
ours,
it's
above
the
ground
or
in
pits
and
stairs
we
fixed
it,
but
they
pay
us
back.
What
that
means
is
water
pipes
will
be
ours,
they're
granting
an
easement
to
his
for
our
lines.
K
I
think
I
told
you
the
agenda
meeting,
there's
two
three
spots
where
we
need
to
get
easements
over
private
individuals,
but
the
savings
Association
says
they
will
take
care
of
this,
though,
if
the
other
things
from
the
tanks,
the
pumps,
some
of
the
valves,
those
things
that
I
cheated
refer
to
as
being
in
the
pits
the
agreement
says,
if
there's
break,
we
fix
any
other,
but
those
are
the
items
that
we
get
reimbursed
for
they
develop.
The
agreement
also
sets
out
whatever
it's
a
break,
that
we
can't
fix.
If
it's
an
emergency,
we
proceed.
K
If
it's
something
that
we
get
out,
we're
working
in
conjunction
with
the
Settings
Association
because
oceans,
they
have
to
pay
for
that.
By
adopting
the
resolution,
you
approve
that
agreement.
There's
one
other
item
in
there.
It's
a
memorandum
of
understanding,
basically
an
update,
that's
sort
of
an
operational
agreement
that
we
will
coordinate
for
the
Settings
Association
about
a
number
of
things,
one.
K
If
there's
a
just
pick
a
couple
out
of
the
Hat
one
is:
if
we're
going
to
make
a
repair
we're
going
to
be
in
there
working
it's
not
an
emergency
little
bit
disrupt
traffic
block
one
of
the
roads
for
a
while
look
at
the
seven
days
notice.
If
it's
an
emergency,
it's
just
going
to
go
obviously,
and
then
the
typical
thing
you'd
think
that
will
maintain
a
special
water
stick
level
in
their
tanks
and
time
pressure.
Is
there
anything
I
can
add
to
that
point.
Last.
K
K
Of
understanding
that
and
the
agreement
is,
we
will
maintain
the
water
to
the
houses
and
if
the
systems
as
it's
built-
and
obviously
you
know
if
you
use
the
tank
for
gravity,
feed
water
and
you
don't
keep
watering
the
tank,
you
lose
some
of
that
pressure.
So
I
don't
think
that's
adding
anything.
That's
in
the
minimum
of
understanding
that
the
town
will
keep
the
system
functioning.
So
there's
that
what.
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Lake
tomahawk
setup
management
proposal
phase
one
so
this
this
would
be
the
north
side
of
the
lake,
where
tomahawk
branch
Oak
Creek
comes
into
the
lake,
there's
a
pedestrian
bridge
currently
there
and
that's
where
our
four
Bay
is
some
time
ago.
A
number
of
years
ago
there
was
a
structure
put
in
where,
if
the
water
got
up
so
high,
it
would
go
into
a
box
and
then
go
out
of
pipe
and
go
into
the
lake,
essentially
having
the
sediments
stay
on
the
north
side
of
the
pedestrian
bridge
in
2018.
I
When
we
had
the
flooding
here
that
spring
and
summer,
the
earth
earthen
embankment,
underneath
that
pedestrian
bridge
was
washed
washed
away
on
the
on
one
side
with
that
part
of
it,
the
pedestrian
bridge,
the
abutment
for
that
for
that
bridge,
received
some
damage,
not
sure
how
much
damage.
At
this
point,
the
contract,
or
the
proposal
you
have
in
front
of
you-
is
for
a
couple
different
things.
So
the
engineering
for
that
contract
is
thirty.
Six
thousand
seven
hundred
dollars
give
or
take
I.
I
This
would
essentially
eliminate
that
pipe
and
box
put
in
a
rock
we're
arch
and
do
some
stream
restoration,
northern
heading
to
Laurel
circle
drive.
That
would
be
another
thirty,
six
thousand
seven
hundred
dollars
so
you're.
Looking
at
a
total
of
seventy
three
thousand
four
hundred
for
that
work
now
this
does
not
include
any
kind
of
work
to
the
abutment
to
the
bridge.
I
Last
week
we
got
a
proposal.
I
know
it's
not
on
the
agenda,
but
we
did
speak
with
the
crew
that
it
is
doing
our
bridge
work
for
us
now:
Black
Mountain,
Avenue,
Bridge,
Black,
Creek
Bridge,
some,
these
other
bridges
in
town.
If
you
recall,
I,
think
it
was
$54,000
to
do
all
that
bridge
work.
We
did
get
a
proposal
from
them
to
do
the
abutment
work
for
that
pedestrian
bridge
for
around
$30,000.
I
That
is
not
in
this
packet
for
you
to
look
at
today,
but
what
you
have
in
front
of
you
is
a
proposal
that
does
the
engineering
for
for
the
for
Bay
for
potential
for
doing
a
phase
2,
which
would
be
a
sediment
management
plan
for
that
whole
area.
I
think
we
would
be
more
than
likely
successful
and
getting
some
grant
funds
to
pay
for
that
sediment
management
plan.
I
This
is
something
that
kind
of
just
goes
in
line
with
our
Swannanoa
River
restoration
plan.
We
did
a
number
of
years
ago
that
looks
at
removing
the
Swannanoa
River
from
the
3
or
3
D
list,
which
is
an
impaired
due
to
sediment.
So
that's
where
a
lot
of
that's
coming.
This
also
reestablishes
our
area
north
of
the
pedestrian
bridge,
to
do
our
dredging
for
that.
I
So
it
does
not
get
into
the
lake
as
we
spend
a
lot
of
money
on
Gretchen
that
Lake
a
number
of
years
ago,
and
with
that
with
that
or
earthen
embankment,
and
that
and
that
pipe
structure
not
functioning
correctly,
then
that
that's
an
issue.
So
this
is
an
I
apologize
that
has
taken
this
long
to
get
this
to
you,
but
that's
how
long
it
took
to
get
proposals
for
this
project.
It.
H
H
A
I
H
I
The
streams
gonna
be
choked
down
underneath
the
Fed
bridge
right
now.
It's
it's
fairly
wide
because
that
earthen
Bank
is
gone
embankment
underneath
that's
gone
washed
out,
so
the
streams
gonna
be
choked
down
and
the
the
thought
is
that
that
sediment
will
fall
out
before
it
gets
underneath
the
pedestrian
right,
according
to
their
proposal,.
H
H
A
H
G
H
I
H
H
H
L
L
Polluted
stormwater
runoff
is
commonly
transported
through
municipal
separate
storm
sewer
systems
where
you
get
that
nifty,
ms4,
nickname
from
and
then
discharged
untreated
into
local
surface
waters.
There
are
generally
two
forms
of
substantial
impacts
created
from
post
construction
Ralph.
The
first
is
caused
by
an
increase
and
the
typical
I'm
sorry,
the
type
and
quantity
of
pollutants
as
stormwater
runoff
as
runoff
flows
over
areas
altered
by
development.
It
picks
up
harmful
sediment
chemicals
such
as
oil
and
grease
pesticides,
heavy
metals
and
nutrients.
L
These
pollutants
often
become
suspended
in
runoff
and
are
carried
to
the
receiving
waters,
rivers
and
streams
that
we
are
so
familiar
with
here
in
Black
Mountain.
The
second
kind
of
folks
construction,
runoff
impact,
occurs
by
increasing
the
quantity
of
water
delivered
to
streams
during
storms.
Increased
impervious
surfaces
like
parking,
lots,
driveways
and
rooftops
interrupt
the
natural
cycle
of
gradual
percolation
of
water
through
vegetation
and
soil.
Instead,
water
is
collected
from
these
surfaces
and
routed
to
drainage
systems
where
large
volumes
of
water
quickly
flow
to
the
receiving
waters.
L
The
effective
effect
of
this
process
includes
steam,
faith's
stream
bank
scouring
and
downstream
flooding.
The
town's
spent
significant
amounts
of
time
and
tens
of
thousands
of
dollars
each
year
working
to
improve
the
stormwater
conditions
in
Black
Mountain
by
installing
stormwater
control
measures
on
public
property,
stabilizing
stream
banks
in
the
management
of
Lake
tomahawk.
L
Essentially,
this
means
it
incorporates
all
applicable
needs
in
order
to
meet
the
rules
passed
by
the
EPA
and
passed
on
to
the
state
to
enforce.
This
also
means
it
is
largely
comprised
from
minimum
standards,
although
the
ordinance
is
based
wholly
on
this
model.
The
town
is
empower
to
increase
these
standards,
because
the
town
is
a
designated
ms4,
as
opposed
to
have
delegated
ms4
in
a
literature
review
of
environmental
regulations
conducted
in
2013
by
bener,
reducing
areas
of
area
of
disturbance
to
better
suit.
L
The
type
of
development
experienced
by
local
government
is
a
frequent
method
of
environmental
control.
The
review
included
20
counties,
municipalities,
rapid
growth,
and/or
mountain
terrain
were
often
cited
as
reasons
to
increase
these
standards
welcome,
County,
which
administers
and
enforces
sediment
and
erosion.
Control
for
Black
Mountain
requires
the
sedimentation
and
erosion
control
plans
accommodate
a
25-year
storm
which
exceeds
state
and
federal
rules
and,
however,
the
opportunities
for
property
to
be
subject
to
this
rule
are
less
common,
because
the
threshold
for
disturbance
is
one
acre
or
larger.
L
L
So
therefore,
there's
not
a
lot
of
significant
information
available
about
the
change
changing
of
the
area
disturbed
for
the
purposes
of
issuing
a
stormwater
permit,
Black
Mountain
does
experience,
does
not
experience
a
significant
amount
of
diversity
in
the
size
of
development
and
the
calendar
year
2018
there
are
49
new
construction
permits,
but
only
seven
of
those
were
subject
to
post
construction
ordinance.
So
far
in
2019
there
have
been
50
for
new
construction
permits
and
the
only
five
of
those
will
be
required
to
comply
with
post-construction
stormwater.
L
When
asked
to
strengthen
the
stormwater
ordinance
and
beginning
the
evaluation
process,
the
question
became
how
cui
along
the
standards
or
the
size
of
disturbance
to
be
closer
to
that
of
what
we
actually
see
in
practice.
This
is
why
the
area
of
disturbance
has
been
reduced
to
five
thousand
square
feet
in
proposed
draft.
Under
the
proposed
5,000
square-foot
draft
in
2018,
there
would
have
been
12,
more
post-construction,
stormwater
permits
required
and
so
far
for
2019
there
would
have
been
six.
It's
also
worth
mentioning
that
the
minimum
lot
size
in
the
district.
L
L
Alternatively,
if
you
feel
that
two
thousand
feet
which
I'm
sorry
that
five
thousand
feet
is
too
strong,
you
could
also
consider
other
thresholds
of
eight
thousand
ten
thousand
or
continued
with
the
12,000
square
feet
in
absence
of
a
change
in
area,
disturbed
requiring
a
post-construction
stormwater
permit.
Other
potential
solutions,
including
regulatory
in
non
regulatory
options,
should
be
considered
to
improve
the
collective
conditions
created
by
the
continued
growth
that
is
related
to
the
small-scale
development
of
residential
building.
L
The
other
significant
change
in
this
event
is
a
size
storm
that
is
accommodated,
which
is
changed
from
a
one-year
storm
which
is
from
two
point,
eight
three
inches
to
a
25-year
storm,
which
is
just
over
six
inches.
This
means
that
there
is
a
four
percent
chance
an
evening
given
here
for
a
storm
of
this
intensity
to
occur.
L
This
is,
admittedly,
a
high
standard,
but
it
better
accommodates
the
type
of
event
that
we
experienced
in
2018.
If
you
feel
that
a
25-year
storm
standard
is
too
high,
you
could
also
consider
a
ten
year
storm
which
has
a
ten
percent
chance
of
occurring
in
any
given
year,
a
two
year
storm
which
has
a
50%
chance
of
carnac
within
a
given
year,
and
if
you
look
I've,
provided
you
a
handout
that
has
some
notes
about
how
much
rain
that
means
in
24-hour
period,
for
your
reference
from
January
1
2018.
L
To
date,
there
have
been
five
one-year
storms
for
two
year,
storms,
three
five
years
towards
three
10-year
storms
and
for
twenty
five-year
storms
over
the
next
30
to
50
years.
Precipitation
in
this
part
of
the
country
is
anticipated
to
increase
five
to
ten
percent,
largely
in
the
winter
and
spring
months,
lightless
rules
and
regulations.
There
is
a
cost
associated
with
compliance
both
to
those
developing
projects
to
meet
these
standards
for
permitting,
as
well
as
the
town
engineering
plans
versus
for
a
smaller
scale.
Residential
project
could
be
two
or
three
thousand
dollars.
L
Other
improvements
in
this
org
that
are
important
to
improving
stormwater
include
coming
into
post
construction
attainment
by
phase
instead
of
end
of
construction
phase.
Developments
are
typically
larger
subdivisions
and
can
take
years
to
fully
build
out.
It
also
requires
the
developer
contractor
meet
to
meet
with
staff
earlier
in
the
design
process,
and
projects
are
held
to
a
higher
design
standard
previously
of
required
to
meet
projects
with
high
density
rules
applied.
Another
change
is
from
2018
session
law
regarding
redevelopment
calculations
of
vegetative
buffers.
H
K
We're
that's.
This
is
a
little
bitty
piece
of
all
the
things
that
has
to
be
done,
but
let
me
give
you
I'm
not
as
technical
is
just.
Let
me
give
you,
ladies
approach
to
water,
the
stormwater
treatment
and
a
lot
of
people
here,
stormwater
ordinance
that
they're
thinking
erosion-
and
this
is
not
an
erosional
words.
That's
the
county's
issue,
stormwater!
The
idea
is
that
water
is
cleaner
when
it
reaches
your
streams
and
rivers
and
leaves
the
valley
or
ghost
your
own
trout
streams,
and
so
they
have
everything
that
is
loose.
K
You
just
call
them
be
in
peace
to
have
a
new
name.
Now,
hey
the
facilities
you
develop
on
your
property
to
treat
the
water
the
simplest
way
of
treating
it
is
slow.
It
down
legs,
somehow
absorbing
the
soil
haven't,
run
through
grass.
Anything
just
hit
the
ditch
2/3
that
we
have
the
standard.
Now,
that's
not
as
justice,
it's
not
getting
the
job
done.
K
Ultimately,
it
won't
be
what
we
do
if
they
come
in
and
say
we
check
off
and
you're
okay,
it's
the
quality
of
the
water
that
leaves
town
that
they'll,
look
at
and
say
you
check
off.
You're
doing
a
good
job
and
and
I
think
there
was
a
directive
to
Jessica
to
come
back
with
a
more
stringent
standards,
so
we
can
get
that
job
done
and
I
said.
K
Larger
developments
you'll
see
now
their
pictures
putting
large
containers
underground,
I
thinking
those
may
have
those
and
those
the
rainwater
those
and
that
treats
it
it
soaks
into
the
ground,
but
there
are
a
number
of
those.
But
a
thing.
What
is
being
attempted
here
is
to
up
your
standards
at
the
source
of
contamination
so
that
you
are
taking
care
of
it
early
on
in
this
process.
K
They
may
be
years
back,
there's
a
number
of
studies
done
and
how's
the
best
way
to
clean
up
water
and
when
they
found
out
that
dealing
with
it
at
its
source,
as
these
treatment
facilities
did
it,
they
determined
that
was
the
best
way,
and
then
we
were
handed
the
job
for
no
money
to
back
it
up
of
making
this
happen.
This
is
an
expensive
proposition,
no
doubt
about
it
will
affect
property
on
it
to
some
degree,
but
learning
the
enemy.
L
Ultimately,
I
think
you
have
several
options
and
that's
why
I
tried
to
provide
you
with
the
list
and
I
entertained
briefly
making
a
matrix,
but
I
realized
very
quickly
that
that
would
probably
be
more
complicated
than
anybody
wanted
it
to
be.
You
have
two
standards:
you're
working
with
it
area,
disturbed
and
size
storm,
and
you
can
mix
and
pair
those
in
a
number
of
ways
and
they
will
make
for
different
results,
but
that's
there
from
information
gating.
L
L
F
H
I
Think
Waynesville
probably
has
the
the
minimum
standard,
but
no
Waynesville
has
or
is
about
ready
to
institute
a
stormwater
utility
which
I
know
we've
talked
about
in
the
past,
and
it
may
be
something
you
see
in
the
future,
but
essentially
they
folks
pay
kind
of,
like
a
water
bill
to
fund
a
stormwater
utility.
That
pays
for
specific
things
like
what.
I
L
Request
it
from
the
coordinator
from
the
state,
the
dim
Lawrence,
who
provided
the
list
of
organizations
who
have
gone
over
and
beyond
environmental,
that
the
litter
trust
review.
I
cited
in
this
pile
front,
who
is
the
ms4
coordinator
for
this
state,
is
on
vacation
she's
supposed
to
be
back
tomorrow,
which
is
inconvenient
for
us
to
provide
a
review
of
who
has
those
additional
standards.
H
H
So,
but
anyway,
you
know
think
of
think
of
the
towns
that
maybe
you're
on
the
upper
end
of
being
able
to
spend
resources,
and
that
may
not
be
us
but
Highlands
Brevard,
but
I'd
really
like
to
know
what
and
and
not
only
what
they
have
in
place.
But
what
are
they
contemplating
and
so
forth?
Because
I
don't
mean
this
is
important:
I'm
not
trying
to
delay
it,
but
I
think
that
would
be
good
information
to
to
have
as
we
move
into
it,
because
to
me
we're
relying
on
their
good
thinking
too.
H
Presumably
it's
good
thinking,
but
you
know
I'd
like
to
know
what
you
know
what
everybody
else's
is
doing.
We're
planning
on
doing
to
you,
but
both
I
think
that
would
be
good
if
we
could
get
a
handful
of
the
towns
that
we
just
mentioned.
No
me
not
everybody
at
their
driver,
but
the
towns
that
you
would
think
are
comparable
might
have
the
resources
to
spend
what
we
could
maybe
have
more
resources.
But
then
you
know
we
can
extrapolate
from
there.
H
But
these
are
it's
not
so
much
town
resources,
really
you're
adding
to
the
cost
of
construction
is
about
what
it
amounts
to.
So
we
want
to
do
that.
One
would
be
thoughtful
about
it,
I
think
and
make
sure
we
I'm
not
suggesting
that
you
weren't
but
I,
think
there'd
be
a
good
information
for
us
to
have
it
for
the
understand.
H
N
Jessie
Gardner
thirty
Bethel
Drive,
chairman
of
the
Planning
Board
Ben,
talked
with
Jessica.
She
you
know
legally,
she
couldn't
have
this
go
to
the
Planning.
Board
first
I
think
so
has
to
come
through
you
guys,
I
think
we
got
a
really
talented,
Planning,
Board
I,
wear
a
hat
as
a
civil
engineer
and
do
stormwater
design
as
part
as
my
job
for
a
living.
You
know,
I've
done
we
as
a
firm
I,
probably
designed
over
a
hundred
stormwater
facilities
a
year.
N
Those
are
I
go
this
far
west,
as
it's
got
one
in
Granite,
Quarry
right
now,
I'm
working
in
the
town
of
Boone,
which
didn't
have
stormwater
ordinances
at
the
time,
doing
a
lotta,
correct
facility
up
there
and
generally
from
my
77,
all
the
way
to
Clay
County.
We
cover
that
threshold,
some
some
of
the
draft
or
dances
I
think
I,
agree
with,
and
some
of
them
I
think
would
like
to
see
the
Planning
Board
to
on
and
dialogue
and
get
a
little
more
public
input.
N
That's
what
we're
seeing
go
on
through
right
now,
which
doesn't
truly
create
a
lot
of
runoff,
I.
Think
I
know
the
town
has
an
older
stormwater
master
plan
that
identified
a
lot
of
improvements,
and
a
lot
of
you
know
all
majority-black
mountains
developed.
It's
like
a
lot
of
us
needs
to
be
looking
at
retrofitting.
N
N
One
I
know
as
much
as
what,
if
we
put
up
regional
system,
you
know
near
the
railroad
tracks
at
near
downtown
that
took
all
the
road
runoff
and
treated
it
so
that
those
different
funding
sources-
and
you
know
those
are
things
I-
think
the
plan
would
be
glad
to
chew
on
on
that
as
well.
But
I
just
I'd.
Ask
if
you,
if
you,
if
we
have
time
that
it
flowed
through
the
planning
board,
to
try
to
get
more
feedback
as
well.
K
No
such
thing,
but
yes,
you
can
ask
for
Planning
Board
input.
My
concern
is
and
I
think
just
concerned
as
a
matter
of
course,
stormwater
won't
ever
go
to
the
Planning
Board
of
the
Planning
Board.
What
it
can
do
is
first
designated
by
statute,
and
the
statute
should
add
some
things
that
the
Board
of
Aldermen
has
sent
the
Planning
Board.
Neither
has
been
done
at
this
point.
I,
don't
know
that
anything
that
keeps
you
asked
them
the
Planning
Board
for
input.
There's
the
matter.
Of
course.
It's
up
to
this
board
to
do
it.
H
K
Think
you
have
the
ability
to
send
it
to
a
Planning,
Board
I.
Don't
know
that
I
totally
agree
with
Jess
he's
got
the
expertise.
True,
he
knows
a
lot
more
he's
an
unusual,
the
beyond
planning
board.
Perhaps
you
need
to
talk
to
the
engineers
as
much
as
you
need
to
talk
to
the
Planning
Board,
but
again
this.
K
H
H
So
that
doesn't
necessarily
mean
we
need
to
start
sending
all
the
stormer
things
to
the
Planning
Board,
but
but
you
know
but
to
to
ask
for
his-
and
perhaps
we,
the
paperwork,
meet,
that's
what
is
the
business
of
doing
but
to
get
his
recommendations
and
input
just
on
a
contractual
basis.
Before
we
make
a
decision,
I
mean
it
would
be
one
alternative.
That's
an
option!
H
I
H
And
I
think
that
is
what
you
know
looking
into,
so
maybe
we
have.
Maybe
we
come
back
around
circle
with
the
engineers.
Aren't
we've
already
engaged
to
help
us
with
this,
but
I
think
those
are
yes,
certainly
because
it
is
true,
we're
kind
of
developed
out
and
help
what
we
have
this
left
of
develop
it's
there.
We
have
some
but
I,
think
while
we're
at
it.
A
Will
say:
I
know
that
there
are
some
steel,
some
large
pieces
that
are
going
to
be
coming
up
in
the
next
10
years,
some
of
them
that
I
pick
them
up
tomorrow.
Mm-Hmm,
that's
the
Honeycutt
property
across
from
like
get
Church,
that's
on
the
market
when
it
gets
also
on
property.
That's
on
the
market,
this
cross
from
love.
A
H
L
H
I
H
K
H
Maybe
maybe
kind
of
clarify
where
we
are.
We
need
to
look
at
this
ordinance
and
you
know
see
what
other
folks
saw
the
town
other
municipalities
are
doing.
But
maybe
what
Jesse's
comments
really
apply
to
more
is
revisiting
the
stormwater
plan
and
seeing,
if
there's
some,
some
things
that
we
might
be
able
to,
we
might
need
to
update
it
and
and
or
you
know,
take
a
harder
look
at
what
can
be
done.
M
L
Over
just
a
for
inflation,
there's
more
than
15
million
dollars
worth
of
infrastructure.
In
that
plan,
very
little
of
it
has
been
touched.
It's
it's
a
huge,
the
matter
of
infrastructure,
improving
conveyance
and
ability
to
do
that
may
be
managing
the
systems
that
we
already
have.
We
have
over
450
inlets
over
3500
135
outfalls.
The
basic
just
maintenance
alone
is
extremely
expensive,
and
that
does
not
say
anything
of
the
the
infrastructure
that
was
recommended
in
that
2009
plan.
L
L
There
are
many
other
things
that
get
swept
into
that,
but
they
are
separate
creatures
and
I
certainly
appreciate
Jesse's
point,
no
doubt
that
you
are
going
to
address
more
problems
when
you
start
dealing
with
infrastructure,
but
at
the
same
time
that's
not
the
issue
that
this
ordinance
is
intended
to
handle,
and
nor
is
that
ordinance
intended
to
try
to
offset
the
capacity
of
improvements.
That
would
be
afforded
through
those
infrastructure
improvements.
N
J
H
Then
I'd
like
to
also
ask
Josh
that
should
revisit.
You
know,
get
it
on
your
list
and
let's,
let's
take
a
look
at
the
stormwater
plan
for
him.
Oh
nine,
at
some
future.
We,
you
know
some,
maybe
just
a
summary
of
it.
We
already
spend
that
much
time
on
it.
I
think
we
all
got
the
gist
of
it,
that
it's
massive
and
a
lot
of
money,
but
you
know
just
to
touch
base
and
then
see
what
you
know.
If
there's
a
direction
we
can
take
other
than
one.
H
A
A
A
L
One
is
significantly
less
complicated.
This
the
list
of
things
that
you
are
allowed
to
discharge
into
the
ms4
system
is
established
by
the
American
viral
management
commission
and
you
can't
add
anything
or
taking
anything
off
unless
you
go
to
them
and
they
bless
that
process.
So
all
we
have
done
is
tease
this
out
to
a
standalone
ordinance
for
clarity,
better
organization
and
better
enforcement.
It
is
in
its
totality
the
same
though
we
do
specifically
say
you
cannot
straight
pipe
sewage,
which
is
already
against
the
law,
but
occasionally
people
try
to
change
that.
K
I
Josh
sure
I'm
supposed
to
give
you
a
report
at
the
end
of
the
meetings
about
planning,
board
action
or
planning
board
things
that
they've
taken
up
so
last
month.
They
I,
don't
know
that
any
action
was
taken,
but
that
did
meet
if
you'll
recall
read
a
rezoning
on
Flat
Creek
Road
a
number
of
months
ago.
They
did
have
a
meeting
with
some
with
property
owners.
They
sent
out
the
invitations
and
they
had
10
to
12.