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From YouTube: Commissioners' Regular Meeting (April 19, 2022)
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Regular Meeting of the Buncombe County Board of Commissioners for April 19, 2022. To view the meeting agenda you can visit buncombecounty.org/commissioners.
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A
On
the
agenda,
the
outcome
of
which
will
have
a
direct,
substantial
and
readily
identifiable
financial
impact
for
any
board
member
does
any
board
member
have
a
financial
interest
in
any
public
contract
coming
before
the
board.
Today,
there
being
none
all
board.
Members
have
a
duty
and
obligation
to
vote
on
any
matters
voted
on
by
the
commission.
At
this
meeting.
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D
But
what
is
the
assurance
that,
150
years
from
now,
those
conservation
easements
will
be
honored,
because
I
know
that
the
university
of
virginia
has
done
some
work
and
said
there
is
a
question
and
I've
asked
some
attorneys
that
and
they
said
well,
she
was
alive,
but
we
won't
be
alive
then,
and
I
just
like
you,
don't
have
to
address
it
today.
I'd
appreciate
you
let
your
county
attorney
write
me
a
letter
on
it.
Okay,.
A
All
right,
thank
you
for
the
question.
I
think
it's
a
fair
question.
Ms
pender,
I
don't
know
if
there's
anybody
in
the
room
who
might
have
like
a
response
off
hand.
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E
A
So
we'll
send
you
a
written
response
and,
but
I
think,
just
as
a
non-attorney,
I
think
that
you
know
our
understanding
is
these:
are
legal
legally
binding,
perpetual
easements
right,
so
the
intent
is
that
they
will
be
permanently
conserving
the
conservation
values
of
the
property
in
perpetuity,
but
we'll
have
we'll
have
someone
more
qualified
and
send
you
a
response?
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Yep
all
right,
commissioners?
Is
there
a
motion
to
approve
the
consent
agenda
into
oh?
We
do
have
one
other
item.
We
need
to
add
to
the
agenda,
which
is
the
announcement
of
a
public
hearing
at
the
next
meeting
here
here.
It
is
all
right.
We
need
to
add
to
the
agenda
a
motion
to
call
a
public
hearing
in
the
public
hearing
we'll
be
at
the
may
3rd
2022
meeting
at
5
p.m.
A
Regarding
the
fourth
amendment
to
the
december
6
2010
installation
financing
contract,
so
we
just
need
to
add
that
to
the
agenda,
we
can
do
that
under
new
business.
So
is
there
a
motion
to
approve
the
consent
to
approve
the
consent
agenda?
The
remainder
of
the
agenda
as
published
with
the
addition
of
that
one
item
under
new
business.
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A
Hey
I'm
sorry,
I
made
a
mistake.
We
are
going
to
do
public
comment
first,
so
I'm
jumping
ahead.
Sorry
about
that
so
yeah.
Let's
do
public
comment.
We've
got
five
folks
that
have
signed
up
for
public
comment
and
the
first
is
don
yeltsin
and
our
procedure's
under
public
comment.
Each
person
has
three
minutes
to
address
the
board.
You'll
get
an
orange
light
when
you've
got
about
30
seconds
left
in
a
red
light.
A
When
your
time's
up,
we
do
ask
folks
to
discontinue
their
public
comment
when
time's
up,
because
we
want
to
give
everyone
the
same
amount
of
time
and
commissioners
aren't
expected
to
respond.
When
folks
are
giving
public
comment.
This
is
our
chance
for
the
commissioners
to
listen
to
the
public.
Mr
elton,
I.
D
Know
you
got
a
lot
of
me
a
lot
to
do
today,
because
right,
there
is
what
I
printed
off
from
today's
meeting.
Okay,
but
I
want
to
congratulate
and
thank
your
finance
department.
I
went
back
and
talked
to
don.
He
said
he
wasn't
the
one
for
it,
but
you
have
all
the
projects
that
you're
closing
out
listed
and
that's
good
and
that's
the
first
time
I've
seen
that
much
on
those
projects.
D
Now
the
next
step
would
be
to
let
us
know
if
it
came
in
under
budget
or
over
budget
and
how
many
times
you
had
to
adjust
the
budget
line
item,
I'm
not
trying
to
be
picky.
I'm
just
saying
if
you
know
what
you're
doing
you
know
where
your
money
goes.
Number
one
number
two
on
your
behavioral
health
justice,
collaborative
stakeholders.
D
I
see
on
their
sterile
needles,
sterile
needle
program.
Does
that
mean
we're
going
to
give
more
free
needles
to
people
on
drugs,
so
they
can
throw
them
on
the
street.
We've
already
got
a
problem
with
that.
Is
that
what
that
means?
If
we're
going
to
do
that,
why
don't
we
stamp
the
county's
name
on
there
so
that
we
can
know
when
they're
in
the
street
where
they
came
from?
D
D
You
know
how
you're
going
to
vote,
I'm
going
to
go
out
and
wake
the
people
up
to
the
fact
that
we're
going
to
float
a
90,
70
million
dollar
bond,
backed
by
taxes,
to
provide
affordable
housing
and
what
you
all
don't
realize.
Every
time
you
do
that
you're
increasing
taxes.
What
does
that
do
to
rent?
What
does
that
do
for
somebody
that
has
a
rental
property?
What
does
that
do
to
somebody
that
has
a
house
and
it's
not
the
few
pennies
that
was
given
to
you
today?
D
It's
done
based
on
the
price
of
the
house,
and
so
we've
got
some
very
valuable
houses
and
their
taxes
will
go
up
a
lot,
but
they
don't
care
they
can
afford
it.
But
some
of
the
local
people
here
can't
afford
it
some
of
these
smaller
houses
in
asheville
these
holes
and
hollers.
If
you
saw
their
attack
bill,
you
would
faint
folks,
and
you
would
make
you
very
angry.
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G
I
have
encountered
the
board
of
adjustments
several
times
and
I
was
just
really
appalled
with
the
last
meeting
I
had
in
march
with
them
concerning
some
property
close
to
me,
a
development
but
there's
so
much
bias
and
so
much
conflict
of
interest
with
these
members
that
were
appointed
by
you
because
10
out
of
14
members
are
realtors,
investors
attorneys
and
construction
affiliated
a
developer's
dream
board
members
never
see
the
site,
never
see
the
traffic
and
they
never
see
the
damage
that
these
developments
have
caused.
G
This
board
votes
on
these
developments,
which
affects
thousands
of
buncombe
county
residents
that
voted
for
you
for
their
best
interest,
and
my
big
concern
was
macintosh
apartments
that
were
just
approved
in
march,
for
luxury
apartments,
220
apartments
and
and
for
the
heights
for
over
35
feet,
so
much
conflict
of
interest.
A
former
board
member
was
a
listing
agent
for
the
property
and
he
told
me
in
november
that
the
developer
had
already
obtained
the
sewer
easement.
G
G
G
G
G
I
was
an
auditor
for
north
carolina
irs
and
I
had
a
dream,
a
degree
in
a
county,
but
I
didn't
qualify
and
recently
there
was
a
development
crescent
hills
that
was
just
approved,
but
they
didn't
allow
the
health
limit
because
it
was
none
of
the
surrounding
area.
Had
anything
but
the
church
that
was
over
35
feet
well,
why
was
it
disallowed
with.
H
My
name
is
julia
mcconnell
and
I've
been
a
registered
nurse
for
35
years.
The
last
six
in
adult
daycare
in
adult
day
care.
We
serve
adults
who
need
care
support
during
the
day
allowing
their
caregiver
to
work
have
respite,
take
care
of
their
own
physical
or
emotional
needs.
Studies
have
shown
that
adult
day
care
decreases,
the
caregiver
stress
level,
increases
quality
of
life
and
supports
physical
and
emotional
health.
H
Imagine
how
hard
it
is
to
take
care
of
someone
24
hours
a
day,
especially
if
that
person
has
behavioral
issues.
Physical
needs
needs
to
be
assisted
to
eat,
may
be
incontinent
may
wander
at
night.
It's
exhausting
caregivers
themselves
may
have
physical
problems,
maybe
in
their
70s
or
80s
may
have
to
work
for
a
living.
Many
families
just
need
a
little
support
to
help
keep
their
loved
one
at
home
to
age
in
place
adult
day
care
provides
this
since
the
onset
of
covet.
H
It's
become
even
more
evident
to
me
that
how
important
this
is
since
covett
I've
had
caregivers
break
down
on
their
loved
ones.
First
day
of
attendance
in
tears,
I
had
one
wife
telling
me
she
was
so
stressed.
She
was
having
chest
pain
one
evening
because
she
had
so
much
to
do
and
no
one
to
help
her
care
for
her
husband.
H
H
Having
a
stay,
safe
and
stimulating
place
for
a
loved
one
to
go
during
the
day
can
help
lighten
the
load
and
is
invaluable
for
the
quality
of
life
for
both
the
individual
in
need
of
care
and
the
caregiver.
This
is
a
direct
quote
from
a
doctor's
visit.
Summary
mse,
cognitive
testing
score
is
improved
today.
She
is
globally
in
a
better
mood,
pain,
sleep
as
well
as
cognition
improved.
H
H
I
Husband
and
I
moved
to
this
area
11
years
ago
shortly
after
that
he
was
diagnosed
with
a
type
of
dementia
that
includes
a
component
called
primary
progressive
aphasia.
You
may
have
recently
heard
of
the
actor
bruce
willis,
having
been
having
to
step
back
from
his
acting
career
due
to
his
diagnosis
of
aphasia.
I
The
latter
stages
of
this
disease
result
in
a
and
a
bit
disa
in
an
ability,
inability
to
express
one's
thoughts
and
eventually
in
a
total
inability
to
speak
or
even
swallow.
My
husband
could
not
be
left
alone
for
even
a
short
period
of
time.
I
did
not
have
any
family
ability
available
to
stay
with
him.
While
I
ran
errands
attended,
my
own
doctor's
appointments
took
care
of
another
business
or
simply
enjoyed
free
time
to
relax
as
his
condition
deteriorated.
I
I
began
to
research
care
options,
including
assisted
living
facilities.
He
did
not
need
the
type
of
care
provided
by
a
nursing
home
which
medicare
and
insurance
would
have
paid
for.
I
quickly
realized
that
we
did
not
have
the
financial
resources
necessary
for
him
to
be
cared
for
in
a
place
that
could
handle
his
medical
condition,
and
that
would
allow
for
me
to
continue
to
reside
in
our
home.
Besides,
neither
one
of
us
wanted
to
live
apart
from
each
other.
I
We
were
the
type
of
couple
that
were
referred
to
as
being
joined
at
the
hip,
where
you
saw
one
you
usually
saw
the
other
one
of
his
doctors
referred
me
to
the
currently
named
mountain
care,
adult
day
services
he
enrolled
in
their
program
for
about
two
years
before
he
passed
away
in
2016.,
he
participated
on
an
average
of
two
times
a
week.
I
was
able
to
leave
him
in
a
safe
place.
I
He
was
mentally
engaged.
He
participated
in
programs
and
activities
there
and
on
field
trips.
They
didn't
just
prop
him
up
in
a
corner
and
leave
him
alone.
He
made
friends
there
with
both
the
staff
and
other
clients.
He
went
on
field
trips.
He
got
healthy
snacks
and
lunches.
While
he
was
there,
he
would
proudly
show
me
the
artwork.
He
was
there
able
to
create.
I
He
was
able
to
feel
valued
while
he
was
there
and
I
knew
he
was
being
cared
for
and
he
was
safe
and
I
was
able
to
breathe
and
relax
while
he
was
there
and
also
take
care
of
my
own
needs,
and
even
if
it
was
just
something
as
simple
as
going
grocery
shopping,
which
I
never
thought
I
would
enjoy
this
program
also
extending
their
love
to
both
me
and
other
caregivers
and
establish
a
support
group.
I
want
you
to
know
that
buncombe
county
has
a
gem
in
their
crown
with
this
program.
I
J
J
J
Individuals
who
can
afford
to
pay
for
a
geriatric
care
manager
are
able
to
turn
over
the
frustration
of
searching
for
websites,
calling
numerous
agencies
or
figuring
out
what
step
comes
next
in
the
care
of
their
loved
one,
thereby
allowing
those
caregivers
the
ability
to
step
back
and
breathe,
but
for
the
majority
of
caregivers
looking
for
help.
This
is
not
an
option.
J
J
J
J
A
A
A
Got
a
number
of
other
folks
here
to
including
paulina
mendez,
to
receive
it,
and
thank
you
all
for
being
with
us.
K
And
whereas
every
day,
survivors
in
communities
across
north
carolina
suffer
the
pain
and
trauma
of
sexual
assault.
And
whereas
this
crime
occurs
far
too
frequently
goes
unreported
far
too
often
and
leaves
long-lasting
physical
and
emotional
scars.
And
whereas,
during
national
sexual
assault
awareness
month,
we
recommit
ourselves
to
lifting
the
veil
of
secrecy
and
shame
surrounding
sexual
violence.
Strengthening
our
support
for
survivors
and
changing
the
culture
and
attitudes
that
allow
sexual
assault
to
proliferate.
K
And
whereas
at
every
level,
we
must
work
to
provide
necessary
resources
to
survivors
of
every
circumstance,
including
medical
attention,
mental
health
services,
relocation
and
housing
assistance
and
advocacy
during
the
criminal
justice
process
and
whereas
buncombe
county
communities
can
come
together
to
increase
awareness
about
sexual
violence,
decrease
its
frequency
and
heal
lives.
Now,
therefore,
be
it
resolved
that
the
buncombe
county
board
of
commissioners
does
hereby
proclaim
the
month
of
april
2022
as
sexual
assault
awareness
month.
K
We,
the
undersigned,
proclaim
that
now
is
the
time
to
take
action
as
leaders
in
our
community
to
create
safe
environments
for
all
buncombe
county
community
members,
including
our
youth
and
our
educational
institutions.
We
must
work
together
to
educate
members
of
our
community
about
sexual
violence,
prevention,
support,
survivors
and
speak
out
against
harmful
attitudes
and
actions.
We
join
advocates
and
communities
across
the
country
in
playing
an
active
role
to
prevent
sexual
violence.
L
Thank
you,
commissioner,
edwards,
and
thank
you
county
commission
for
honoring
april
of
sexual
assault
awareness
month.
My
name
is
rita
snyder
cotter.
I
am
the
co-executive
director
at
r
voice,
which
is
buncombe
county's
rape,
crisis
center,
and
I
have
our
director
of
prevention
and
education,
maria
suarez
here
as
well.
M
We
provide
support
services
to
folks
who
are
13
and
up
whether
they
have
experienced
one
of
those
types
of
violence
themselves,
or
maybe
they
know
somebody
who
has
and
they're
being
impacted
by
that,
and
we
do
that
in
a
lot
of
different
ways.
So
we
have
case
management.
We
have
individual
counseling,
we
have
support
groups,
we
have
a
24-hour
crisis
line
and
all
of
our
services
are
free
and
confidential
and
then,
of
course
we
do
prevention,
education
in
the
communities
with
youth
and
adults.
M
Talking
about
various
topics
regarding
consent,
sexual
violence,
understanding,
human
trafficking
and
then
some
right.
So
you
can
learn
more
about
our
voice
at
ourvoicenc.org
or
you
can
follow
us
on
instagram
our
facebook
at
our
voice
nc.
We
currently
are
doing
a
sexual
assault
awareness
month,
educational
series-
that
is
talking
about
how
it
does
impact
all
folks
and
how
it
can
impact
different
communities
in
a
lot
of
various
ways.
So
thank
you
so
much.
C
C
So
we
want
to
invite
you
to
wear
denim
on
april
27th
in
honor
of
sexual
assault,
awareness
and
prevention
month,
and
I
just
want
to
note
that
at
the
family
justice
center
we
are
one
place
for
survivors
to
be
able
to
access,
10
on-site
partners
and
services,
much
like
our
voices
services,
and
we
don't
do
anything
alone,
and
we
don't
want
survivors
to
feel
like
they're
alone
either.
So
we
welcome
folks
to
come
on
their
path
to
healing,
and
I
really
appreciate
y'all
taking
the
time
tonight.
Thank
you.
N
Mr
chairman,
commissioners,
I'll
present
this
on
behalf
of
lenoir-rhyne
university,
the
university
has
requested
the
county
to
approve
the
financing
of
this
project,
because
a
portion
of
the
project
is
to
be
done
here
in
buncombe,
county
lenoir-rhyne
has
a
small
campus
located
at
36
montford
avenue
with
the
chamber
of
commerce
and
their
project
here
in
buncombe
county
is
four
million
dollars
of
this
issuance.
This
is
almost
identical
to
what
this
board
did
on
behalf
or
the
givens
estate.
N
Several
months
ago
same
thing:
it's
a
public
finance
authority
under
the
laws
of
the
state
of
wisconsin
for
tax-exempt
status
on
these
bond
issue,
so
just
request
a
public
hearing
to
approve
it.
If
the
board
would
not
approve
it,
then
they
don't
get
tax-exempt
bonds.
So
that's
the
purpose
of
this
per
irs
statutes.
A
A
A
E
E
E
E
He
left
virginia
in
2019
to
become
the
inaugural
9-1-1
operations
manager
for
a
newly
formed
regional
9-1-1
center
in
williston
north
dakota.
However,
the
midwest
weathers
and
winters
have
driven
in
back
home
or
as
close
to
home
as
he
could
find.
So
please
join
me
in
welcoming
derek
to
malcolm
county.
He
will
serve
as
her
9-1-1
and
our
first
9-1-1
public
safety
communications
director,
because
we
have
split
that
organization
in
two,
so
derek
welcome
to
banking
county
commissioners.
E
O
A
P
Thank
you
manager,
pender,
mr
chairman,
commissioners,
thank
you
for
the
opportunity
to
provide
a
brief
update
on
the
reparations
project.
I
regret
not
being
able
to
join
you
in
person.
We
do
have
at
least
one
project
team
member
there
in
attendance.
Salah
mania
merit,
but
I
do
thank
you
for
allowing
us
this
opportunity
and
I
will
quickly
share
my
screen.
P
So
we
are
extremely
excited
that
the
work
has
commenced.
We
have
all
25
commission
appointments
that
have
been
made
in
addition
to
the
25
appointments.
We
have
six
alternates
that
have
been
selected.
P
Currently,
the
reparations
project
team
is
completing
the
onboarding
for
all
commission
members
and
alternates,
and
that
onboarding
includes
going
over
proposed
dates
and
times
for
the
initial
community
reparations
commission
meeting,
of
course,
understanding
their
availability
for
several
proposed
dates.
P
We
are
also
going
through
an
onboarding
guide,
reviewing
specific
sections
of
that
guide,
just
to
make
sure
that
we
are
highlighting
key
elements
within
that
onboarding
guide.
We
are
also
continuing
to
identify
any
support
needs
that
commission
members
may
have,
and
some
of
those
support
needs
range
from
child
care
to
transportation.
P
We
want
to
make
sure
that
there
are
no
barriers
to
full
participation
on
the
commission
and
certainly
answering
any
additional
questions
that
commission
members
may
have.
We
are
working
on
scheduling
the
initial
meeting
of
the
commission
currently
we're
targeting
the
last
week
of
april
april.
30Th
is
one
of
the
dates
that
we're
looking
at
based
on
commission
member
input.
P
P
This
is
just
the
table
of
contents
of
the
onboarding
guide.
Just
to
give
you
an
appreciation
of
some
of
the
areas
that
we're
going
over.
We,
of
course,
will
go
over
the
purpose
and
the
background
with
commission
members
touch
on
the
resolutions
go
over
the
commission's
charge
and
what
they
are
responsible
for
developing,
also
commission
expectations.
P
We
will
touch
on
sections
of
the
onboarding
guide
during
the
public
meeting
and
we
also
intend
to
have
the
nomination
and
the
actual
selection
of
the
chair
and
the
vice
chair
at
the
initial
meeting.
We
hope
to
include
expert
testimony
at
this
very
first
meeting
and
that
expert
testimony
will
be
on
reparations
more
generally.
What
it
is
and
placing
it
within
a
historical
context-
and
we
will
also,
of
course
decide
on
that
meeting
schedule
moving
forward
and
now
I
take
great
pride
in
introducing
the
reparations
project
team.
P
The
reparations
project
team
will
work
with
the
commission's
chair
and
vice
chair
to
facilitate
commission
meetings,
support
its
work,
ensure
that
commission
members
have
the
information
they
need
to
develop
recommendations,
and
I
would
like
to
take
the
opportunity
to
introduce
each
of
them.
Of
course,
I
am
debra
clark
jones.
I
am
the
senior
project
manager
on
the
team.
I
possess
over
30
years
of
experience
in
program
management,
community
outreach
and
analytics,
and
the
bulk
of
my
work
has
been
focused
on
equity
initiatives.
P
P
Tara
brown
is
the
economic
development
facilitator
on
the
team
for
over
15
years,
tara
has
worked
through
local
government
and
non-profits
to
build
inclusive
economic
development.
She
has
designed
and
implemented
programs
to
support
asset
building,
affordable
home
ownership
and
entrepreneurship
in
underserved.
P
P
Dion
greenlee
jones
is
a
recognized
leader
in
health
care
and
serves
as
the
healthcare
facilitator
on
the
project.
Team
dion
has
extensive
experience
in
implementing
public
health,
social
justice,
equity
and
community
engagement
initiatives
and,
last,
but
certainly,
not
least,
is
dr
amiris
lavender.
P
Dr
lavender
earned
her
doctorate
in
education
policy
with
a
concentration
in
urban
education
from
michigan
state
university
in
her
scholarship,
she
has
researched
and
worked
across
issue
areas,
including
organizational
culture
policies
and
program
implementation,
and
she
is
the
education
facilitator
on
our
team
and
I'd
like
to
also
add
that
all
of
these
facilitators
are
local
members
of
the
community
already
engaged
in
community
and
once
again
we
are
very
proud
of
having
such
an
accomplished
team
to
aid
in
guiding
this
work.
And
that
concludes
my
report.
A
Okay,
great
thanks
thanks
everyone
all
right.
The
next
item
on
our
agenda
is
under
old
business
and
it's
next
steps
on
the
ferry
road
planning
process.
Q
Good
evening,
commissioners
pleased
to
be
back
talking
to
you
about
the
ferry
road
project.
Q
Q
The
request
today
is
to
narrow
it
down
to
that
that
final
selection
for
the
benefit
of
the
public-
and
I
know
many-
are
familiar.
The
ferry
road
site
on
the
left
is
indicated
in
sort
of
the
the
pink
color
in
south
asheville
near
the
outlet
mall
off
of
brevard
road
191.
Q
Q
That
was
an
in-person
meeting
as
well
as
email
correspondence.
Q
Q
Q
The
property
could
benefit
from
new
infrastructure
if
the
site
is
developed,
but
also
from
improvement
of
the
existing
infrastructure,
namely
an
aging
bridge
and
roadways
that
are
too
narrow
for
additional
development
from
a
housing
perspective.
The
general
sentiment,
wherever
we
went,
was
more
affordable,
housing,
more
types
of
housing
stock
and
a
housing
stock
that
appeals
to
a
mix
of
incomes
from
an
open
space
perspective.
Q
A
lot
of
folks
encouraged
us
to
preserve
as
much
open
space
as
possible,
potentially
leave
the
site
alone
altogether,
but
additionally
be
sure
that
you're
considering
conservation,
water
quality,
things
of
that
nature
from
a
density
in
perspective,
consider
the
impact
to
the
neighbors,
the
folks
that
actually
live
there,
but
also
the
traffic
and
the
environment
in
the
area.
Q
Q
So
with
all
that
in
mind,
we're
back
before
commission
today
and
really
want
to
have
a
sort
of
a
facilitated
discussion
with
you
about
some
of
the
key
elements
of
the
development,
and
so
I
will
sort
of
walk
through
this
would
invite
commission
to
provide
some
input
as
we
go
or
chair
newman.
Q
I
think
you've
sort
of
summarized
well
some
of
those
key
elements,
so
we
can
jump
right
to
that
if
you'd
like
as
well,
but
the
key
elements
from
a
staff
perspective
and
staff,
we
is
our
leadership
team,
which
includes
representatives
on
our
consulting
team,
but
also
the
city
of
asheville,
our
planning,
department,
etc.
Q
So
key
elements
to
consider
this
evening
what
are
what's
the
appropriate
mix
of
housing
types
and
specifically
when
we
say
types,
we're
thinking
stock,
so
we're
talking
single-family
housing.
Are
we
talking
multi-family
housing?
Are
we
talking
about
missing
middle
missing
middle
as
a
reminder
for
everyone?
This
refers
to
sort
of
you
know:
duplex
style,
development,
townhome
style
development,
much
more
common.
Q
You
know
decades
ago
than
it
has
been
recently,
but
certainly
something
we'd
like
to
see
discussed.
The
placement
of
the
density,
I
think,
is
really
important.
This
is
an
existing
neighborhood
and
so
does
the
density
go
immediately
in
the
neighborhood
or
is
the
density
more
appropriately
placed
elsewhere?
Q
Q
So
in
terms
of
appropriate
mix
of
housing,
you
see
single
family
here
we're
talking
about
the
least
dense
housing,
but
obviously
an
opportunity
for
home
ownership.
As
we
move
to
missing
middle,
you
can
see
increased
density
with
a
similar
footprint
to
single-family
housing.
So,
in
some
way,
that's
appealing
also
again
opportunities
for
home
ownership
multifamily.
Q
This
is
where
we
see
the
greatest
number
of
units,
and
so
in
order
to
create
the
most
affordable
units,
you
know
you
need
to
create
the
most
units
and
so
that
that's
an
important
variable
for
us
to
consider.
However,
as
we
increase
density,
there
are
some
additional
impacts
that
come
specifically,
you
know
if
your
density
gets
above
a
certain
threshold.
What
are
the
parking
requirements
and,
namely
structured
parking
requirements
as
opposed
to
sort
of
just
you
know,
street
parking
or
surface
lots.
Q
In
terms
of
placement
of
the
density,
I
think
it's
important
to
consider
the
topography.
You
know
when
you
look
at
it
on
a
picture.
You
know
this
development
suitability
looks
great
because
we
don't
see
the
grades,
but
once
you
start
looking
at
the
grading
of
the
site,
that
can
have
a
great
impact
on
where
you
can
put
the
density,
and
we
also
think
it's
really
important
to
consider
the
adjacent
development,
and
this
is
another
way
of
saying
that
the
neighborhood,
the
folks
that
actually
live
there-
is
it
appropriate.
Q
From
an
environmental
standpoint,
we've
identified
those
primary
and
critical
conservation
areas,
so
just
making
sure
that
we
respect
those
the
steep
slopes,
the
water
courses,
things
of
that
nature
and
then
finally,
you
know
the
site
is
contained
by
an
interstate
but
also
a
river,
so
what's
appropriate
to
put
near
those
types
of
obstacles
in
particular,
the
interstate
you
know,
is
it
appropriate
to
have
housing
right
next
to
the
interstate,
where
you've
got
traffic
noise
in
terms
of
the
role
of
natural
conserved
space?
You
know
here
we
talk
about
natural
and
conserved
space.
Q
I
think
it's
really
important
to
reiterate
that
when
we
started
with
this
process,
we
started
with
this
environmentally
conscious
approach
on
the
front
end
and
you'll
see
me
talk
about
the
layer
cake
model
where
we
look
at
conservation
zones,
and
so
when
we
walked
away
with
each
of
these
scenarios,
we
were
looking
at
a
range
between
36
and
60
percent
conserved
out
of
all
of
these
concepts,
and
I
think
that's
just
a
really
important
note
that
I
will
continue
to
underscore
when
we
talk
about
a
site.
Q
The
role
of
commercial
again
commercial
and
air
quotes.
You
know:
does
commission
have
a
vision
for
anchor
institutions
in
this
community
that
could
be
an
employer,
some
type
of
health
care,
educational
from
a
neighborhood
commercial
services
perspective.
You
know,
do
you
see
retail
in
this
community?
Do
you
see
child
care?
Are
there
other
things
that
we
think
would
round
out
the
community?
That's
again
make
it
feel
more
like
community.
Q
So
I've
talked
a
lot
once
again.
That
brings
us
to
our
request
for
board
action
and,
at
this
point,
we'd
love
to
hear
from
commission
on
what
do
you
see
as
kind
of
the
the
key
elements
of
this
community
we've
kind
of
provided
some
examples
for
you,
but
please
feel
free
to
give
us
your
own
and
I'll
stop
talking.
A
All
right
tim
thanks
so
much
for
the
presentation
and
as
well
as
the
work
from
you
and
all
the
folks
on
the
team
over
this
whole
process.
A
So
we
did
have
a
brief
discussion
about
this
item
at
the
briefing
meeting
this
afternoon
kind
of
in
prep
and
prepare
for
this
conversation
a
bit
this
evening
and
I
presented
you-
know
kind
of
a
took
a
stab
at
some
direction
from
the
commission
to
the
staff
on
a
lot
of
the
points
that
you
emphasized
and
commissioners
weighed
in
with
with
some
additional
suggestions
for
that.
A
So
I'd
like
to
just
kind
of
go
through
this
and
I
think
it's
in
many
ways
it's
sort
of
a
repeating
back
what
you
just
said.
So
let
me
let
me
take
a
take
a
stab
at
it,
but
I
think
we
we
do
seek
to
give
guidance
on
a
couple
of
these
key
points
while
at
the
same
time
you
know
we're
going
to
have
a
great
group
of
folks
continuing
to
work
on
the
development
plans
for
this
property
going
forward,
and
I
think
the
commission
agrees.
A
We
need
to
leave
a
fair
amount
of
latitude
to
you
know.
So
that
the
final
plans
are
really
informed
by
a
good
business
plan
and
more
detailed
things,
so
we
don't
want
to.
We
don't
want
to
tie
folks
hands
too
much,
but
on
a
few
of
the
key
questions,
I
think
the
commission
does
have
some
suggestions
to
share
all
right.
So
I'll
read
this
and
then
I
can
also
share
it
with
the
staff.
Assuming
something
is
approved
along
these
lines.
We'll
give
it
to
you
for
the
minutes.
A
A
I'm
sorry
excuse
me,
55
to
60
range,
which
would
result
in
preservation
of
at
least
75
to
82
acres
of
the
137
acre
property,
and
the
commission
also
supports
preservation
of
buffer
land
along
the
boundaries
of
the
property
in
respect
to
neighboring
property
owners.
B
A
The
commissioners
support
inclusion
of
a
mix
of
rental
and
home
ownership
opportunities
as
part
of
the
overall
development
and
analysis
of
whether
the
site
might
be
viable
for
inclusion
of
a
four
percent.
Affordable
tax
credit
project,
which
could
help
excuse
me,
could
help
leverage
significant
additional
resources
to
the
project.
A
Next,
the
commission
does
support
potential
inclusion
of
some
commercial
elements
if
financially
viable
and
harmonious
with
the
overall
project
designed
such
as
live
workspaces,
light
manufacturing,
outdoor
recreation,
oriented
businesses,
child
care
facilities,
neighborhood
oriented
businesses
and
other
opportunities
that
may
be
identified.
A
In
order
to
meet
in
order
to
help
meet
these
goals,
the
commission
supports
that
at
least.
Two-Thirds
of
the
new
construction
units
should
be
priced
at
affordable
and
workforce
price
points
and
that
could
include
either
home
ownership
or
the
rental
units
provisions
should
be
included
to
assure
long-term
affordability.
A
The
commission
is
open
to
inclusion
of
market
rate
units
as
well
to
help
finance
the
to
help
finance
the
infrastructure
improvements
needed
for
the
future
of
the
property,
and
then
that
brings
up
the
last
point
and
I'm
gonna
I'm
kind
of
making
this
language
up
a
little
bit
more,
since
it
was
based
on
some
of
the
feedback
in
the
commission
meeting.
A
But
the
commissioners
wanted
to
also
affirm
that
our
support
for
developing
some
of
the
key
infrastructure
needed
on
the
property
to
include
the
creation
of
new
access
roads,
which
can
help
avoid
placing
significant
additional
traffic
on
existing
neighborhood
streets
as
well
as
effective
storm
water,
storm
water
management
infrastructure,
to
preserve
water
quality,
as
well
as
the
installation
of
the
new
greenways
trails
and
public
access
recreation
points
all
right,
commissioner.
So
that's
that's
kind
of
what
I
had
heard
and
was
trying
to
summarize
here.
A
So
any
additional
discussion
about
the
guidance
we
would
want
to
give
to
the
staff
and
the
team
he'll
be
taking
next
steps
on
this.
F
A
A
Q
I
I
think
this
is
great.
I
appreciate
y'all
taking
the
time
to
consider
this,
and
you
know
this
is
not
the
last
time
we'll
talk
about
this
property
and
you
know,
as
we
talk
about
the
next
steps,
we're
going
to
learn
a
lot
as
we
try
to
pencil
this
out
and
look
at
the
financial
feasibility
and
so
we'll
be
back.
But
I
think
this
gives
great
direction
and
I'm
excited
about
the
potential
for
the
community.
A
Great,
we
are
too,
and
I
would
just
also
note
that
I
think
you
know
that
from
the
feedback
I
heard
from
the
commission,
there
are
some
specific
numbers
in
here
and
there
is
some
thought
that
went
into
each
of
them.
You
know
they
weren't
just
kind
of
drawn
from
the
air,
but
at
the
same
time
I
think
you
know
we
do
intend
these
to
be
guidance
right.
A
So,
as
you
and
your
team
work
on
further
development
of
the
plans,
if
you
come
back
with
we,
you
know
we
would
welcome
you
to
come
back
with
suggestions,
even
if
they're
they
might
be
different
from
this.
If
you
think,
there's
some
good
reasons
to
do
something
a
little
bit
differently
as
the
plans
are
fleshed
out,
so
these
are
not
meant
to
be
written
in
stone.
It
sort
of
reflects
the
current
thinking
of
our
group,
based
on
the
information
that
we
have
at
this
time,
understood
and
appreciated
all
right.
A
All
in
favor
of
the
motion
say
I
I
any
opposed
all
right.
Thank
you.
A
Okay,
next
up
and
a
related
item,
is
a
discussion
under
new
business
of
further
of
other
county,
owned
properties
and
planning
for
those
and
let's
take
up
that
item
and
then
we'll
come
to
the
the
item
we
added
to
the
agenda.
But
since
this
is
related,
let's
just
stay
stay
on
this
one.
Q
Great
well
good
evening,
commission
glad
to
be
back
before
you
this
time.
I
have
backup
and
I'm
looking
forward
to
introducing
you
to
a
few
folks.
You
all
of
course
know
matt,
cable
matt
will
join
me
during
this
presentation.
But
additionally,
we
have
a
couple
of
folks
from
the
unc
school
of
government
development,
finance,
institute,
they're,
sitting
right
up
front,
we've
got
marcia
parrot
and
then
sarah
odio
right
up
front,
but
you'll
hear
from
them
in
just
a
minute.
Q
Just
a
few
slides
to
take
us
on
our
way,
so
the
purpose
of
our
presentation
today
when
we
met
last
at
the
briefing
we
talked
about,
how
do
we
move
the
ferry
road
property
forward,
but
also
these
other
county-owned
properties
that
we've
been
referring
to
as
a
downtown
properties?
Q
The
reason
we're
even
talking
about
this
is
we
think
this
is
a
way
to
support
the
commission's.
You
know
guidance
for
us,
and
you
know,
where
is
that
guidance
sort
of
documented
it's
in
the
bunkum
2025
strategic
plan?
It's
in
the
racial
equity
action
plan,
it's
in
our
affordable
housing
goals,
and
so
we
think
this
is
one
strategy
to
get
there
and
just
to
give
an
example
of
what
those
specific
goals
are
in
our
vibrant
economy
goals.
Q
Clearly,
a
great
example
of
what
we're
talking
about
with
the
ferry
road
property
from
a
well
resident
well-being
perspective.
We
talk
about
expanding
and
maintaining
cultural
and
recreational
assets.
Again
an
example
of
what
we've
been
talking
about
with
ferry
road
from
the
reap
or
the
racial
equity
action
plan.
We
talk
about
improving
housing,
inc
outcomes
for
the
most
impacted
communities.
Q
We
also
talk
about
improving
wellness
and
recreation
outcomes
for
those
most
impacted
communities.
Again,
as
we
talk
about
affordable
housing,
recreation
opportunities,
these
are
the
goals
that
we're
pursuing
and
finally,
as
you've,
recently
sort
of
made
official,
affordable
housing
goals,
just
simply
attempting
to
increase
the
supply
of
affordable
housing
in
our
community.
Q
So
with
all
that
said,
we
think
county-owned
property
is
an
opportunity.
However,
we
think
to
really
move
this
opportunity
forward.
We
needed
to
bring
in
some
expertise,
and
so
we
wanted
to
introduce
you
today
to
our
potential
partner,
which
is
the
again
the
unc
school
of
government
development,
finance,
initiative,
dfi,
and
I
would
like
to
invite
marcia,
parrott
and
but
also
recognize
sarah
odio,
who
are
here
with
us
today
to
talk
about
what
they
do
and
then
we'll
go
through
the
rest
of
the
presentation.
R
Good
evening
marcia
parrott
associate
director
with
the
development
finance
initiative
and,
as
tim
said
here
with
my
colleague
assistant
director
for
housing,
sarah
odio,
I
represent
the
development,
finance
initiative
or
dfi.
We
are
a
program
within
the
community
and
economic
development
umbrella
of
the
unc
chapel
hill
school
of
government.
R
For
those
of
you
that
might
not
be
familiar
with
the
school
of
government.
It
is
the
largest
university-based
research,
training
and
advisory
organization
in
the
u.s.
I
think
you
have
quite
a
few
unc
mpa
graduates
among
your
staff,
so
turning
out
the
finest
staff
and
elected
officials
in
service
of
local
government,
our
particular
group
dfi
is
essentially
a
consulting
firm
housed
within
the
school.
We
provide
technical
assistance
around
real
estate
development
finance
to
local
governments
all
over
the
state.
We
actually
celebrated
our
10-year
anniversary.
R
This
idea
has
been
pretty
successful
since
our
inception
in
the
10
years
that
we
have
been
in
existence
we've
now
partnered
with.
I
think
it's
over
170
projects
right
now
in
over
100
communities
across
north
carolina
on
all
kinds
of
community
and
economic
development,
related
real
estate
projects
from
affordable
housing
like
we're
contemplating
here
to
neighborhood
revitalization
economic
development
projects,
as
well
as
helping
local
governments
react
to
requests
for
public
private
partnerships
for
the
from
the
private
sector.
R
Once
that
development
partner
is
selected,
we
would
then
be
with
you
every
step
of
the
way
in
negotiating
that
development
agreement,
making
sure
that
your
development
partner
is
in
lockstep
with
the
public
interest
that
you
hope
to
achieve
through
this
project
until
shovels
are
in
the
ground,
so
essentially
a
full
service,
suite
of
pre-development
assistance
from
translating
the
key
elements
that
you
just
articulated
into
an
actual
development
plan
with
financials
behind
it
to
recruiting
a
partner
to
then
negotiating
an
agreement
with
that
partner
or
partners
tried
to
keep
it
brief,
because
I
know
that
that
you've
had
already
a
lot
of
discussion
on
this
topic
but
happy
to
answer
any
questions
you
might
have.
Q
Great
well,
marcy
and
sarah
are
still
with
us.
So
if,
as
questions
arise,
we
can
certainly
bring
them
back
up,
but
I
didn't
ask
marcia
to
brief
why
dfi
that
felt
like
she'd,
been
embellishing
a
little
too
much,
but
just
as
a
reminder,
because
I
do
think
this
is
important.
Experience
and
marcia's
articulated
that
you
know
over
100
clients
across
north
carolina,
so
we're
not
talking
about
bringing
somebody
from
out
of
state
that
has
to
ramp
up
and
learn
our
statutes.
Things
of
that
nature.
Q
You
know
by
packaging,
dia
the
ferry
road
and
downtown
properties.
Some
of
the
market
analysis
affordable
analysis
that
we'll
do
in
our
community.
Q
Additionally,
you
know
having
someone
that's
gone
through
the
process.
You
know
a
number
of
other
times.
It
puts
some
weight
behind
kind
of
our
actions
and
making
sure
we're
bringing
the
right
resources
to
bear
at
the
right
time.
Q
Q
That
number
would
be
split
over
two
fiscal
years,
potentially
with
a
period
of
performance
of
12
months.
The
key
deliverables
in
that
process,
the
main
one,
is
getting
to
a
development
agreement
so
that
we're
putting
shovels
in
the
ground
to
move
forward
on
this
property,
but,
of
course,
there's
a
competitive
solicitation
process
that
marcia
indicated,
but
also
a
lot
of
the
analysis
along
the
way.
Q
We
talked
a
lot
about
being
ambitious,
but
again
we
have
to
make
sure
that
the
project
is
something
that
works
for
us,
but
also
the
market.
So
at
this
point,
I'd
invite
matt.
S
A
I
do
have
one
question
I
mean
this.
Is
you
know
these?
Are
I
mean
ferry,
road's,
a
pretty
large,
attractive
land
for
our
part
of
the
country,
of
course,
and
and
then
these
downtown
properties?
You
know
three
of
them,
there's
actually
more
than
three
on
cox
avenue,
there's
like
several
different
parcels,
so
it's
three
different
areas.
So
this
is
a
lot.
This
is
a
pretty
big
scope
of
work.
A
I
feel
like
we're
asking
the
team
to
take
on,
and
I
know
it
can't
all
be
done
at
once,
but
just
thinking
also
just
sort
of
thinking
ahead
like
if
there
are
other,
because
you
know
we've
set
these
sort
of
long-term
goals.
You
know
thinking
about
what
we
want
to
do
between
now
and
2030
right
if
there
are
other
properties
that
are
identified,
that
the
county
thinks
you
know,
this
is
a
good
property.
A
Maybe
we
have
some
control
over
it
or
like
another
public
agency
was
interested
in
some
of
these
same
kinds
of
ideas.
Could
we
you
know,
obviously
thinking
about
capacity
and
workload
and
all
these
different
things
could
other
projects
be
added
to
this
for
further
analysis
down
the
road?
Just
under
the
we're
contracting
for
these
specific
properties,
but
it's
kind
of
a
model
here
to
kind
of
assess
the
feasibility
of
other
potential
properties
in
the
future.
If
sites
are
identified
that
seem
interesting.
Q
Yeah
I'd
like
to
lead
with
an
answer,
but
also
invite
marcia
to
talk
about
what
has
happened
in
other
communities,
not
necessarily
ours.
I
think
there's
a
lot
of
openness
from
the
staff
perspective
to
that
concept.
As
long
as
the
the
projects
kind
of
fit
together,
we
don't
want
to
you
know,
add
a
lot
of
projects
that
maybe
aren't
adjacent
to
our
existing
parcels
because
we'd
be
spreading
ourselves,
maybe
too
thin.
R
I
just
echo
what
tim
says:
absolutely
there
are
certainly
efficiencies
to
add
additional
properties,
and,
although
we're
contracted
to
to
look
at
these
properties,
specifically,
we
don't
do
it
in
isolation.
We're
going
to
look
out
for
other
opportunities
that
could
extend
your
impact,
where
possible,
so
certainly
we're
open
to
adding
additional
parcels
as
appropriate.
B
T
Is
that
a
quick
question?
This
is
very
exciting.
Maybe
this
is
for
you
county
manager,
pender.
But
how
do
you
see
this
intercepting
with
the
assessments
we've
been
doing
around
county-owned
facilities
and
the
location
say
of
various
departmental
functions
and
conversations
we've
had
around
potentially
co-locating,
affordable
housing
with
other
asp,
with
parts
of
county
government?
Just
thinking
about
how
those
two
conversations
kind
of
find
each
other.
E
Right
and
I
think
the
slide
out
they
had
up
there
before
that
had
the
locations
downtown,
they
had
the
cox
avenue
and
valley
street.
So
specifically,
for
me,
I
already
had
a
brief
conversation
with
dfi
would
be.
The
cox
avenue
seems
to
be
the
first
one
that
we
will
want
to
look
at
because
that's
not
encumbered
with
any
departments
at
the
time.
It's
truly
just
a
parking
lot.
E
The
second
we
do
have
to
still
work
with
our
family
justice
partners
to
see
if
we
can
even
co-locate
in
that
space
to
make
sure
we're
still
victim-centered
and
don't
disrupt
their
services.
So
we're
still
working
through
that.
So
we
don't
have
an
answer
for
the
woodfin
today,
but
dfi
is
willing
to
sit
down
with
them
as
well
as
our
partners.
E
Now
that
we
have
from
our
facility
study
and
truly
work
through
what
would
that
look
like
if
we
had
to
co-locate
or
use
that
parking
lot
so
that
that's
the
second
step,
but
the
first
for
us
would
be
to
look
at
the
cox
avenue
they're
going
to
assess
all
the
properties.
But
if
the
first
we
can
move
to
shovel
ready
and
get
ready
to
start
building
on
we're
trying
to
prioritize
that
cox
avenue.
E
T
Helpful,
I
think
this
may
be
just
kind
of
semantics
at
some
level,
but
as
we
approach
that
cox
avenue
properties,
it
was
solely
a
focus
on
affordable
housing.
Are
we
thinking
about
potential
mixed
uses,
whether
it
was
a
county
function
or
whether
it
was
a
downtown
grocery
store
or
daycare
center?
All
of
the
above?
Okay?
So
you
that's
within
yale's
purview
to
kind
of
have
that
broader
lens,
great
okay,
great.
Thank
you
for
walking
me
through
that.
A
All
right
any
other
questions.
A
All
right
is
there
a
motion.
K
I
may
draw
this
here:
I
move
that
we
approve
reallocation
of
two
hundred
and
twenty
thousand
nine
hundred
dollars
in
fy
22,
affordable
housing
services
program
funds
to
support
the
137,
400
dollar,
ferry
road
pre-development
services
contract
and
the
83
500,
affordable
housing,
feasibility
study
and
direct
staff
to
enter
contracts
with
dfi.
Second.
A
Further
discussion
all
right.
Well,
I
just
want
to
say
thanks
to
the
staff
for
helping
kind
of
think
about
who
else
we
need
to
bring
in
to
help
make
this
stuff
happen.
You
know
it's
we're
very
fortunate
that
we
already
own
some
really
attractive
properties.
I
think,
having
land
that
you've
already
paid
for
in
a
community
like
ours,
where
land
is
scarce,
that's
a
valuable
asset,
but
nothing
is
easy
right
and
there's
challenges
you
know
and
opportunities
with
each
of
these
properties.
A
So
I
think
y'all
have
done
a
great
job,
bringing
dfi
to
the
table
to
help
think
about
how
to
move
forward
and
execute
on
these
opportunities.
So
it's
really
exciting
to
have
y'all
as
part
of
our
team.
So,
thanks
for
coming
up
today
and
answering
some
of
the
questions
and
look
forward
to
working
with
you
all
in
favor,
say
aye.
B
A
So
we
need
a
motion
to
call
for
a
public
hearing
a
public
hearing.
This
is
this
is
what
it
will
be
for.
A
public
hearing
is
hereby
called
by
the
bunking
county
commissioners
to
be
held
on
may
3rd
2022
at
5
pm
or
as
soon
thereafter
as
the
board
can
hear
the
same
in
the
commission
chambers,
200
college
street
room
326
asheville
north
carolina
concerning
the
fourth
of
an
amendment
to
the
december
16,
2010
installation,
financing,
contract
and
mr
free,
would
you
like
to
put
any
of
that
in
more
plain
english,
so
everyone's
clear?
N
Sure
the
the
real
reason
we're
doing
this.
It
would
have
been
a
briefing
agenda
on
may
3rd
and
then
the
public
hearing
on
may
19th.
But
we
learned
during
a
conference
call
this
morning,
is
that
if
we
wait
for
the
public
hearing
on
may
19th,
then
it
wouldn't
have
time
to
get
ready
for
the
local
government
commission
in
early
june.
N
So
this
has
been
a
plan
in
the
works
from
finance
department
for
a
partial
refinance
of
2010
bonds
and
some
new
funding
for
projects
of
school,
roofing
tracks
and
project
at
the
landfill
for
cell
7..
A
A
A
And
next
up
is
consideration
of
approval
for
a
letter
of
support
for
lutheran
family
services
and
phillip
hardin
is
here
to
present
this
item.
U
Good
evening,
commissioners,
here
to
ask
tonight
for
an
endorsement
of
a
letter
of
support
for
lutheran
services
carolinas,
they
have
an
application
in
with
the
bureau
of
population
refugees
in
migration,
with
the
department
of
state
to
open
a
reception
and
placement
center
here
in
buncombe,
county
they've
been
operating
in
buncombe
county
now
for
about
the
last
six
months,
but
only
under
a
special
provision
for
afghan
refugees.
A
Philip,
is
it
anticipated
that
buncombe
county?
Might
you
know
that
there's
some
likelihood
that,
like
this,
will
be
seen
as
a
good
site
for
providing
a
place
for
ukrainian
refugees
and
by
the
fact
that
there's
already
a
fairly
significant
ukrainian
population
here
or
just
how?
How
far
along
is
any
of
the
thinking
around?
A
What
I
know,
of
course,
is
a
pretty
quickly
evolving
situation
for
the
refugees
in
europe
have
been
displaced
by
the
conflict.
There.
U
We're
already
seeing
ukrainians
migrate
here
because
of
the
existing
population
of
ukrainians
that
exist
here,
they're
not
coming
through
these
placement
providers
already
they're,
not
they're,
not
refugees
per
se,
as
the
federal
government
would
classify
them
they're
coming
here
on
their
own
already.
B
F
A
V
V
So
I
will
start
by
telling
you
that
bunk
county
detention
center
is
experiencing
what
we
would
call
critical
conditions
at
this
time.
Staffing
conditions,
and
I
would
tell
you
that
we
have
all
our
staffing
people
here
today,
because
all
of
them
are
affected
by
this,
and
what
I
mean
by
that
we
have
people,
that's
working
patrol.
V
V
So
so,
in
the
last
year,
we've
had
83
detention
officers
either
left
for
a
variety
of
reasons
and
we've
been
able
to
hire
64.,
and
so
that's
where
we
came
up.
Let
me
go
back
one,
that's
where
we
came
up
with
this
rate
of
125
percent
and
that's
basically,
because
we've
only
been
able
to
hire
64
people
and
part
of
this
we
feel
is
due
to
the
cost
and
how
much
we're
paying
officers.
V
So,
anyway,
you
also
see
the
critical
incidents
within
the
facility.
You
see
the
assaults
on
staff
and
we
broke
this
down
by
year
from
2018
19
20
21
into
karen.
So
we
have
a
increase
if
you
will,
if
we
take
the
17,
because
that's
basically
a
quarter
and
if
we
multiply
that
by
four,
you
know
that
number
comes
to
68.,
so
there
would
definitely
be
an
increase
in
assaults
that
we're
having
on
our
staff.
V
So
we
also
listed
the
detainee
on
detainee
violence
which
you
can
see,
and
so,
as
you
go
through
the
list,
you
see
that
there's
been
an
increase
in
activities
that
are
happening
in
our
detention
facility,
and
I
think
this
is
because
of
some
of
the
folks
that
are
there
are
young
and
I
think,
detainees,
look
at
that
and
feel
the
opportunity
to.
I
guess
pronounce
if
you
will
to
take
advantage
of
our
deputies
and
not
them
being
there
for
a
sufficient
amount
of
time.
V
V
So
we
also
did
a
comparison
of
local
businesses.
If
you
will-
and
you
can
see
that
the
shift
manager
is
35
000
for
hourly
walmart's
55
000
ups
drivers
22.5
target
is
19..
The
reason
I
show
you,
that
is
the
job
that
we're
asking
our
detention
officers
to
do
day
in
and
day
out,
4h
sees
what
I
think
they're
having
to
do
because
they're
dealing
with
people
who
are
not
only
mentally
challenged,
but
substance
abuse
challenged,
not
to
mention
the
fact
that
they've
committed
some
type
of
crime.
V
So
again,
this
becomes
very
important
to
us,
as
we
start
having
a
conversation
about
why
we
need
to
pay
our
folks
more
money
and
so
we're
asking
for
an
hourly
repay
increase
for
our
detention
officers.
So
what
I've
done
is
actually
went
at
this
and
looked
at
this
a
little
different
if
you
will
than
what
you
see
and
what
I've
done
is
start
talking
about.
How
do
we
adjust
our
career
ladders
for
our
detention
division
so
opposed
to
looking
at
this
is
our
proposal.
V
So
this
again
is
some
of
the
solutions
that
other
counties
have
done
with
a
forsyth,
guilford
mecklenburg,
and
you
can
see
that
for
yourself
what
they
have
done
in
their
prospective
counties
for
is
increasing
the
pay,
they've
even
went
and
done.
I
guess
I
would
all
call
a
4
000
increase
if
you
will
just
to
join
or
stay
in
their
incentive
pay,
and
so
I'm
not
telling
you
dude,
I'm
in
favor
of
that,
but
I
am
in
favor
of
having
a
conversation
on
how
we
move
forward.
V
So,
as
you
can
see,
we
recently
did
a
survey
with
that
survey.
You
can
see
what
that
says.
It
revealed
that
56
56
percent
of
our
detention
staff
does
not
feel
their
needs
are
being
met
financially.
In
other
words,
a
lot
of
our
people
are
moving.
I
guess
our
best
way
to
say
it
is.
We
all
understand
that
in
buncombe
county
it's
difficult
for
people,
it's
not
affordable,
so
a
lot
of
our
deputies
actually
come
from
out
of
counties
trans.
You
know
transporting
themselves
every
day
to
get
to
the
detention
facility.
A
K
Sheriff
miller,
I
do
have
a
question
for
you.
You
mentioned
that
mecklenburg
was
doing
retention,
pay
have
have
you
dug
in
and
looked
at
that
for
your
detention
officers
as
well,
particularly
because
you
have
some
folks
that
have
been
with
buncombe
county
sheriff's
office
and
the
detention
center,
in
particular
for
a
number
of
years
and
looking
at
some
type
of
potential
incentive
pay,
because
they've
been
with
you
or
as
you
and
as
you
hire
new
detention
center
officers,
any
type
of
incremental
incentive
bonus
to
retain
them.
V
I
want
to
tell
you
yes,
but
also
we
have
to
understand
that.
I
know
that
the
county
has
done
a
pace
study
and
I
also
understand
that
that
is
going
to
have
some
effect
on
what
we
do
and
so
again,
I'm
just
trying
to
find
out
the
best
way
that
we
can
move
forward
in
supporting
our
detention
staff
and
also
understanding
that
there's
limited
funds.
And
so
I
want
to
ensure
that
our
detention,
people,
you
know,
get
their
opportunity
to
be
heard
not
only
her,
but
we
need
to
increase
the
pay
just
the
bottom
line.
A
I
have
one
clarification
too
in
terms
of
the
specific
ask,
so
that
there's
different
dollar
per
hour
increase
options
and
those
are
for,
but
that's
not
just
for
like
the
starting
pay,
for
example,
that
would
be
sort
of
for
whoever's
in
the
organization
working
the
detention
officer.
A
If
we
made
an
increase,
if
we
made
one
of
these
changes,
you
would
look
at
what
they're
being
compensated
at
today
and
you'd.
Let
you
would
at
you
would
increase
it
by
this
amount,
so
it's
not
just
for,
for
example,
for
the
the
most
junior
or
the
least
compensated
positions.
This
is
intended
to
be
more
of
an
across-the-board
position
for
the
staff
working
in
that
part
of
your
organization.
K
V
We
did
not
do
the
actual
numbers,
but
I
would
tell
you
this
is
throughout
the
state
and,
as
we
know
nationally,
that
there's
been
challenges
for
people
in
law
enforcement
to
be
hired
period.
That's
in
offer,
you
know
all
professors
all
the
way
across
the
nation,
but
here
in
north
carolina
I
would
tell
you
that
all
of
our
detention
facilities
are
faced
with
the
same
challenges
that
we
are
all
in
need
of:
quality
people
that
we're
trying
to
hire.
W
V
I
think
it
has,
because
I
think
part
of
this
is
we
have
to
also
look
at
the
where
we
were
and
where
we
are
now.
So
at
one
point,
we
we
didn't
have
really
any
incentives
to
motivate
people
to
you
know
not
only
get
experience
get
training,
but
the
career
ladder
does
that
for
us,
it
gives
the
officer
incentive
to
move
up
the
ladder
without
them
having
to
be
promoted
them
gaining
experience
training.
They
are
now
able
to
move
up
the
career
ladder
based
on
their
training.
A
Okay,
one
other
question.
One
other
question
I
had
from
the
presentation
is
so
states
that
there
were,
since
january
1st
in
2021
to
now
83
detention
officers
left.
The
detention
facility.
64
were
hired
said
that
125
percent
turnover
number
now
but
are
are
all
of
those
people
who
left
the
detention,
the
detention
facility
for
something
outside
of
the
sheriff's
department,
or
were
some
of
those
kind
of
moves
within
the
sheriff's
department
organization
from
the
detention
center
to
some
other
part
of
the
sheriff's
of
sheriff's
office.
V
Some
of
those
would
be
just
moving
within
the
sheriff's
office,
but
for
the
most
part
they
have
been
moved
to
other
options
in
their
life
for
outside
employment.
V
The
majority
of
them
have
been
outside,
but
we
do
have
a
few
that
we've
moved
from
detention
to
patrol
we've
also
used
that
as
an
option
for
our
people
who
are
in
detention.
What
I've
found
is
that
people
who
work
in
detention
they
use
this
thing
that
they
communicate
better
right,
and
so
they
don't
have
all
the
tools
that
you
may
have
on
patrol
so
they're
using
their
communication
skills,
and
you
know
the
escalation
training
that
we
talked
about
so
much
they're
using
those
skills.
So
we
get.
V
This
is
like
a
training
ground
if
you
will
so
as
they
complete
their
training
or
they
move
on
to
the
next
level
of
going
to
patrol
or
going
to
the
courts.
They
now
take
that
with
them.
So
I
think
that's
part
of
what
you
know
I
would
like
to
see
and
when
you
start
to
my
21st
century
policing
and
how
we
do
this
is
about
how
we
train
people
even
coming
from
detention,
giving
them
an
opportunity
to
to
go
to
patrol.
I
think
it's
a
better
officer.
Okay,.
A
I
just
want
to
make
sure
I
heard
you
heard
you
correctly
so
the
majority,
the
majority
of
the
staff
who
left
the
detention
facility
left
for
other
sheriff's
office
positions
or
left
the
left,
the
sheriff's
office.
My.
T
Thank
you
sheriff
for
the
presentation.
I
do
support
increases
and
I
I
think
just
as
a
point
of
process.
As
I
understand
the
question
that
is
before
us
is:
do
we
support
increasing
the
pay
range
within
the
position
sort
of
at
a
structural
level,
but
the
actual
budgetary
allocation
is
your
department's
decision,
your
office's
decision
to
make
based
on
your
budget
for
the
year?
Yes
yeah.
T
So
if
we
sort
of
shift
our
focus
into
that
question,
I
mean
I'm
fully
supportive
of
increasing
that
pay
range
and
making
sure
it's
as
it's
as
competitive
as
it
needs
to
be
to
attract
and
keep
people
in
the
field.
So
we'd
love
to
kind
of
hear
other
people's
thoughts
on
that
piece
of
the
question
in
front
of
us.
W
How
many
people
are
going,
how
many
officers
will
be
impacted
by
this.
A
You
know,
I
think
it's
good
to
look
at
what
is
happening
in
the
other
departments
across
the
state,
the
other
communities
across
the
state,
just
as
we
did
with
our
com,
our
kind
of
county
salary,
compensation
planning
that
we've
been
doing,
but
I
always
feel
like
on
these
kind
of
personnel
issues
looking
at
are
the
way
we're
compensating
people
successfully
attracting
and
keeping
good
people
in
that
job
like
in
a
way,
that's
the
most
important
indicator
of
whether
we
put
together
a
compensation
plan,
that's
working
or
not
right,
so
I
think
you
know
hearing
these
really
high
turnover
rates,
even
if
other
communities
weren't
experiencing
them
I'd
still
be
supportive,
because
I
think
it's
I
think
it's
telling
us.
A
We
need
to
do
something.
So
for
that
reason
you
know
I
I
would
support
it
just
kind
of
put
all
my
cards
on
the
table.
I
would
support
it
at
the
three
dollar
increase
for
now.
I
think
that's
still
a
very
significant
increase.
I
think
I
was
doing
doing
some
math
here
on
the
fly
which
can
be
dangerous,
but
I
think
that's
like
a
five
or
six
thousand
dollar
a
year
increase,
so
I
think,
that's
very
meaningful.
A
K
I
completely
agree:
I'm
wholeheartedly
supportive
of
it.
You
know
talking
to
a
number
of
folks
that
work
inside
the
detention
center.
It's
a
tough
job.
It's
a
really
tough
job.
K
I'm
grateful
that
we
have
people
who
have
committed
their
careers
to
to
the
detention
center
and
I
think
we
should
definitely
consider
rewarding
those
folks
who
have
been
with
us
for
a
long
time
and
committing
to
again
a
tough
difficult
job
and
hopefully
being
able
to
recruit
people
who
want
to
be
a
part
of
that
same
career
ladder
and
staying
with
the
detention
center
for
a
number
of
years
as
well.
So
I
really
appreciate
the
work
of
the
folks
inside
the
detention
center.
T
X
F
So
I
guess
my
follow-up
question
with
that
and
I'm
I'm
supportive
and
I'm
supportive
at
that
range
that
we've
discussed
there
around
the
three
to
begin
with.
But
I
do
wonder
so
long
term
because
just
we
have
been
doing
a
compensation
study
the
county
has-
and
you
said
this
is
not
part
of
that.
So
what
would
be
the
long-term
plan
to
where
we're
really
doing
that
kind
of
study
and
making
sure
we're
at
the
right
place?
Because
I
want
us
to
think
of
the
long
term
as
well.
V
V
We
need
to
ask
the
question
about
the
our
behavior
unit
that
I've
spoke
about
the
fact
that
you
know
we
have
to
start
looking
at
the
people.
That's
in
our
detention
facility,
the
mental
health,
the
substance
abuse
folks,
so
that's
a
whole
different
conversation,
but
we
have
to
start
some
place
in
stabilizing
what
we
currently
have.
F
V
W
You
need
a
motion
now
yeah.
Y
Sheriff
I
appreciate
it,
I'm
sitting
here
doing
some
numbers,
I
mean
the
three
dollar
versus
the
five
dollar.
I
mean
to
give
the
incentive
to
go
ahead
and
show
them
that
you
appreciate
them
and
let's
be
a
leader
here
in
buncombe
county,
if
this
is
across
the
state
to
look
at
the
five
dollar,
because
you
know
three
dollars.
Y
Here
I
mean:
what's
your
take
on,
that
is
a
three
dollar
significant
or
I
mean
we
always
know
it's
better,
and
I've
talked
to
a
lot
of
the
guys
and
girls
over
there
and
they've
all
said
that
they
didn't
get
in
this
profession
for
money,
but
with
the
cost
of
living
in
asheville,
with
what's
going
on
that
they're,
seeing
that
you
know
they
just
feel
like
sometimes
they're
not
rewarded
the
way
they
need
to
be-
and
I
know
we're
looking
at
three
and
it
looks
like
the
majority
wants
three,
but
you
know
brownie,
you
said
let's
start
there,
but
I
would
like
to
go
ahead
and
up
it
and
just
see
what
the
results
are
in
the
future.
A
No,
I
I
appreciate
that
the
yeah
my
mic
speaking
into
it,
you
know
part
of
the
reason
I
support
this
approach.
Is
you
know
when
again,
if
we're
seeing
that
we're
not
retaining
people
at
the
rates
that
are
described
here?
That
means
we
need
to
take
some
action
right,
and
we
heard
some
things
about
this
earlier
in
this
year
with
our
emergency
medical
services
right
with
another,
tough
and
another
really
important
job,
and
so
we
needed
to
take
some
steps
to.
Let
folks
know
like
hey.
We
really
value
you
here.
A
A
A
I
think
this
is
compelling
enough
that
you
know
it
sounds
like
the
commission
is
supportive
of
making
it
clear
we're
ready
for
something
to
happen
to
make
this
change,
and
this
will
be
a
permanent
change.
This
isn't
just
for
one
budget
cycle
once
you
change
these
things,
they're,
not.
You
know
they're
not
going
to
go
back
down
right.
A
So
I
think
I
don't
think
we
should.
I
think
we
should
make
it
clear,
we're
supportive
of
making
a
change
now,
but
at
the
same
time
you
know
it
is
april
in
over
the
next
six
to
eight
weeks.
You
know
we
are
going
to
get
budget
requests
from
buncombe
county
schools
in
asheville
city
schools
and
the
rest
of
the
county
organization,
and
we
are
seeing
a
lot
of
these
same
challenges.
A
I
think
this
is
probably
the
most
com
you
know
place
where
it's
the
most
compelling
that
something
needs
to
be
done,
but
we're
seeing
other
challenges
throughout
our
schools
and
other
parts
of
the
county
organization,
where
we
need
to
make
changes
to
make
sure
we're
attracting
and
keeping
you
know,
teachers
and
other
educators
and
other
staff.
So
I
want
to
make
sure
that
we
can
make
a
change
now,
but
that
we
also
preserve
the
capacity
within
our
budget
to
consider
the
other
really
important
requests
that
are
about
to
be
in
front
of
us
very
soon.
Y
And
I
understand
it,
but
you
know
just
doing
the
numbers
and
with
the
bond
we're
getting
ready
to
look
at,
for
the
thing
is
18
per
250
000
home
right.
Here
we
are
helping
officers
of
going
on
up
to
the
five
dollar
215
000
is
87
out
of
each
taxpayer
thing,
that's
pretty
cheap
to
add
81
to
every
taxpayer.
Y
You
know
we're
losing
people
to
other
counties,
and
I
was
glad
to
hear
we
ain't
losing
that
many
in
the
profession
of
them
leaving
going
to
henderson
county.
I
hope
I
was
because
henderson
county
probably
gets
a
third
of
the
calls
we
do
or
transylvania,
county
or
haywood.
So
buncombe
county
is
our
hub
right
here.
I
think
we
need
to
set
a
stage.
T
You'd
consider
that
kind
of
speaks
to
a
little
bit
of
both
wherein,
if
there's
support
for
a
three
dollar
increase
that
can
be
sustained,
there
might
be
funds
on
hand
in
this
year's
budget
to
consider
retention
bonuses
or
stipends
to
help
address
was
sort
of
some
of
the
immediate
needs,
so
a
one-time
cost
within
this
year's
budget
that
could
absorb
that
could
address
some
of
those
very
immediate
needs
without
committing
to
that
higher
level
of
increase
year
over
year
before
we
sort
of
have
a
full
sense
of
where
we're
headed
budgetarily.
E
Right
so
I
know
you
haven't
seen
the
rfps
yet
from
arpa,
but
that's
exactly
the
conversation
we've
had
as
a
corporation,
because
that
bonus
we
have
lost
people
not
just
in
detention.
That
is
egregious
yes,
but
other
departments
as
well.
So
we
have
been
talking
as
a
staff
about
putting
an
rfp
lots
of
counties
are
using
the
arpa
money
for
that.
So
we
have
talked
about.
Do
we
take
some
of
the
open
money
to
help
some
of
that
same
conversation
and
not
just
general
fund
dollars?
So
that's
the
conversation.
E
T
V
So,
for
me,
I'd
just
like
to
an
opportunity
to
go
back
and
look
at
what
that
is
as
far
as
how
much
we
actually
have,
because
this
has
just
come
up
recently,
that
we
are
not
able
to
find
out
how
much
we
actually
have.
So
I
for
me
to
make
a
good
decision.
I
need
to
be
able
to
see
what
we
actually
have.
A
W
You
know
I
was
trying
to
think
back
and
forth,
but
for
now
I
would
make
a
motion
that
we
move
with
the
three
dollars
an
hour.
E
V
A
Y
Y
Okay,
yes,
with
the
three
dollars
versus
the
five
there's
excess
money
of
your,
the
staff
is:
how
many
do
you
say
that
you're
holding
salaries
of
what
27
spots
there
that
could
be
used
for
this
this
year?.
Y
V
E
It
is,
but
I
want
to
make
sure
the
board
is
clearly
understanding
that
lab
salaries
is
a
tool
that
we
also
use
throughout
the
year
to
fund
when
people
leave
on
on
retirements
or
leave
the
organization
we
have
to
pay
them
out
there,
whatever
they
accumulated
in
accruals,
which
is
there's
the
leave
balances
that
we
pay
out.
That
is
not
something
to
be
budget,
because
we
do
not
know
when
that's
going
to
happen
throughout
the
year.
Lab
salaries
is
counted
on
as
a
budget
tool
to
pay
for
those.
E
So
not
every
department
can
go
to
go
and
say,
but
I
have
a
vacancy,
so
I
can
take
that
lap
salary
that
is
used
to
pay
out
all
sorts
of
other
expenses
that
are
not
budgeted.
So
I'm
sitting
here
and
I
have
to
take
a
page
from
my
finance
officer-
I
don't
do
math
in
public
because
there's
so
much,
we
have
to
look
at
to
determine
that.
E
I
know
I'm
way
out
of
line
in
saying
that
I
truly
agree
with
the
sheriff
when
he
came
in
asking
for
what
is
that
something
you
want
to
do
and
the
board
put
three.
You
have
to
carry
that.
This
is
just
salaries.
This
doesn't
include
all
the
benefits
and
all
the
payroll
costs
that
test
that.
So
when
we
look
at
an
eight
hundred
thousand
dollar
cost,
we
then
have
to
add
the
benefits
that
goes
to
that
employee.
E
That's
another
at
least
another
two,
so
we're
already
at
a
million
dollars
or
close
to
that
just
with
the
three
dollars.
So
when
you
look
at
a
fully
loaded
cost,
that's
what
we
need
to
be
talking
about.
This
is
just
your
salary
cost.
So
I
want
to
make
sure
as
you're
taking
this
into
consideration,
you
take
the
whole
package
as
you're
thinking
through
it.
Y
T
Just
as
we
move
forward
discussion,
I'll
say
this:
I
I
will
vote
and
support
a
three
dollar
increase
tonight
and
I
hope
we
can
do
more
and
look
forward
to
the
conversations
around
the
arpa
level
opportunities,
but
also
sheriff
miller
would
like
to
hear
from
you
hopefully
soon
about
how
we
can
continue
to
do
more.
T
This
is
obviously
a
really
critical
issue
as
we're
thinking
about
so
many
different
issues
in
our
community,
and
it
feels
like
we
appreciate
you
the
opportunity
to
be
in
dialogue
around
this
and,
as
you
all
have
a
clearer
sense
of
some
of
the
numbers
on
your
end
within
this
year's
budget
before
june
30th
would
I
would
welcome
hearing
additional
ideas
about
ways
to
provide
support
to
staff
that
might
be
one-time
costs
that
could
be
incurred
this
budget
year.
B
A
A
Z
So
they
held
a
special
meeting
on
april
1st
and
approved
1
million
965
000
in
additional
funding
for
these
projects.
So
we'll
pay
these
as
the
county
issues,
debt
using
the
portion
of
sales
tax
revenue
designated
for
the
school
capital
fund.
Commission,
that's
article
nine,
their
half
of
the
article
nine
sales
tax
questions.
F
And
I'll
just
say,
as
one
of
the
members
of
that
commission
that
it
was
due
to
all
the
construction
costs
that
have
gone
up.
So
I
do
feel
that
staff
had
done
an
appropriate
job
with
their
initial
estimates
and
everything,
but
due
to
unforeseeable
circumstances
that
we're
all
dealing
with
right
now
that
it
did
increase
the
budget.
A
And
I
would
just
add
that
the
but
the
city,
schools
and
the
county
schools
saw
cost
increases
for
various
projects,
and
these
are
the
projects
that
buncombe
county
brought
before
us.
Some
of
the
asheville
city
school
projects
saw
dramatically
higher
costs
than
were
originally
forecasted,
and
we
talked
through
some
of
those
issues.
There
were
some
reasons
for
that.
We
think,
but
at
this
time
the
school
capital
fund
commission
didn't
recommend
approving
those.
Yet
because
we
felt
like
they
were
just
so
significant.
It
raised
a
lot
more
questions
about.
Is
there?
A
Is
this
the
right
time
or
the
best
approach
to
that?
So
we
we
aren't
just
bringing
back
every
cost
increase
we've
seen
the
ones
that
were
really
more
dramatic,
we're
taking
more
time
to
look
at
those.
So
these
are
the
ones
we
felt
like.
You
know
they
were
higher,
but
not
not
that
much
higher
and
the
best
thing
is
to
move
ahead
with
them
at
this
time.
K
B
Z
So
this
budget
amendment
is
a
state
lottery
project.
As
it
says,
it's
we've
received
education,
lottery,
funding
for
replacement
of
stadium
lighting
at
ac
reynolds
high
school,
so
you
folks
approved
an
application
for
875
000
for
this
project.
This
past
october,
and
previously
30
000,
was
awarded
for
design.
Z
AA
I
put
slides
together
for
you.
I
know
how
you
like
the
pictures
all
right,
so
this
is
related
to
our
fund
balance,
general
fund
fund
balance
policy
and
the
annual
transfer
that
we
do
if
anything
is
over
the
20.
So
I
wanted
to
run
through
this.
So
after
we
complete
our
annual
audit,
any
unreserved
undesignated
fund,
balance
above
20
shall
be
transferred
to
the
county
capital
projects
fund.
This
was
the
policy
that
you
all
approved
in
2020,
and
this
is
how
we
came
up
with
this
year's
calculations.
AA
AA
AA
AA
There
are
a
lot
of
projects
in
there
that
we
were
anticipating
that
we
might
issue
debt,
for
we
thought
we
would
because
we
didn't
have
enough
funds
to
necessarily
pay
them.
So
there's
about
eight
and
a
half
million
dollars
of
projects
that
were
slated
for
debt
issuance
by
utilizing
these
funds.
We
can
save
three
and
a
half
million
dollars
in
interest
over
the
course
of
20
years
as
far
as
the
debt
issuance
goes,
that
would
take
care
of
9
million
of
that
15,
and
that
is
for
projects
that
are
already
out
there
in
progress.
AA
So
that's
fiscal
year
21,
just
your
20
projects
that
we
haven't
issued
debt
on
that
will
also
take
into
account
what
we're
looking
at
for
the
fiscal
year.
23
budget
requests
that
are
going
to
be
coming
to
you
all
so
we're
anticipating.
AA
Potentially,
if
you
approve
these,
the
county
vehicles,
library
projects,
recreation,
master
plan,
the
eoc
upgrade
and
then
the
electric
vehicle
charting
infrastructure,
which
is
another
four
and
a
4.6
million
dollars,
so
that
would
still
leave
1.3
million
dollars
sitting
in
that
fund.
That
could
be
used
for
paying
down
debt
service
or
for
other
capital
projects,
as
they
may
come
up
throughout
the
year.
A
I
think
you
know,
I
guess
my
only
kind
of
hesitancy
around
this
is
you
know
we
are
very
close
to
being
much
deeper
in
this
budget.
I
you
know
I
feel
like
just
the
economy
is
in
this
very
you
know
place.
Maybe
no
one
would
have
predicted.
You
know
we
had
this
pandemic
and
we
all
thought
the
revenues
were.
Crashed
they've
gone
up
like
in
a
in
a
way
that
we've,
I
don't
know,
maybe
not
seen
in
a
long
time
for
sure,
but
then
we
have
all
our
costs
going
up
too.
A
You
know
we
just
approved
a
significant
pay
increase
for
you
know
in
the
big
picture,
a
fairly
small
cross-section
of
our
workforce,
we're
going
to
consider
the
county-wide
compensation
plan
soon
the
school
requests
haven't
come
in,
but
anecdotally
we
hear,
although
the
case
may
not
be
nearly
as
bad.
There
is
what
we've
heard
about
from
the
detention
center
retention,
but,
like
you
know,
we're
hearing
a
lot
about
a
lot
of
concerns
about
keeping
and
retaining
staff
in
in
public
schools.
A
A
I
don't
know
I
mean
in
a
way
I
guess
before
we
make
a
final
decision
about
this
reallocation
to
apply
all
this
to
just
do
pay
go
for
capital
projects.
I
just
wonder
if
we
should
like
maybe
hold
off
on
this
for
now
until
we
see
like
what
we're
really
looking
at
in
this
budget
process
to
make
sure
you
know,
I
think
what
we've
said
is
we
want
to
get
through
the
next
several
years.
We
don't
want
to
do
a
property
tax
rate
change
if
we
do
a
referendum
and
the
voters
choose
to
do
that.
A
A
So
I
just,
I,
don't
think
we're
going
to
need
all
these
funds
to
do
what
we're
going
to
need
to
accomplish
in
this
year's
budget.
But
I
I
am
a
little
I'm
just
a
little
wary
of
making
a
decision
this
large
before
we
have
all
the
information
in
front
of
us
which
we're
going
to
have
in
the
next
four
to
six
weeks.
I
guess
so
I
just
I
raised
that
as
a
I
raised
that
as
a
just
a
kind
of
a
timing
issue
around
this.
W
AA
AA
I've
heard
could
be
up
to
75
basis
points,
but
nobody
really
knows
what's
going
to
happen
other
than
more
than
likely
interest
rates
going
to
go
up,
but
as
far
as
the
three
and
a
half
million
dollars
of
savings,
that's
basing
it
on
an
interest
rate
of
four
percent,
which
right
now
is
where
we're
at
in
the
future
interest
rates
going
to
go
up.
So
then,
obviously,
interest
is
going
to
be
more
now
as
far
as
these
projects.
If
we
decided
the
ones
that
are
not
completed,
those
could
cost
us
more.
B
AA
A
AA
W
AA
A
For
that
group,
and
then
the
group
below
it,
those
would
all
be
done
together.
This
would
be
financed
together
if
we
took
out
debt
for
those
and
that
group
in
that
second
list.
Those
are
all
projects
that
are
approved.
Projects
already
approved
projects
where
the
intent
was
to
use
debt.
This
would
shift
it
to
pago
and
then
the
last
group,
the
future
use,
that's
so.
Those
are
for
anticipated
projects
in
the
coming
year.
A
X
A
Okay,
well,
thank
you
for
talking
us
through
that.
I
guess
I
guess
just
kind
of
hearing
that
you
know
I
mean
one
option
would
be.
We
could
approve
this.
The
the
the
4
692
isn't
doesn't
wouldn't
formally
happen
until
we
approve
the
new
budget
with
those
projects
in
it
right.
Well,
that's
correct!
So
if
we
were
looking
at
a
situation
where
it's
like
hey,
there's
things,
we
need
these
funds
for
other
than
just
doing
pay
go
for
capital.
AA
T
E
So
so
we
would
use
fund
balance
to
pay
for
this
in
their
next
year's
budget
that
we're
talking
about
now
the
23
budget,
or
we
could
use
some
of
that
money.
That's
been
already
set
aside
for
capital
to
pay
for
capital,
or
we
could
borrow
that
money,
so
yeah
still
be
decisions
that
we
would
make
during
the
budget
process.
E
T
AA
B
AA
Line
is
what
would
be
remaining
in
the
general
fund
available,
so
we
actually
after
this
transfer,
you
would
have
an
amount
available
after
the
policy
of
25.9
million.
Now
we've
already
appropriated
12.8
million
in
this
year's
budget.
So
we
have
to
reduce
it
by
that,
so
that
still
leaves
13.1
million
available.
T
E
So
can
I
jump
in
as
you're
talking
to
commissioner,
because
that
13.1
that
he's
talking
about
that's
what
you
that's
the
fund
balance
that
you're
appropriate
to
balance
your
budget?
Does
that
make
sense?
So
typically,
we
would
have
revenues,
expenses
and
your
appropriate
on
balance
says.
That's
the
point.
That's
what
he's
talking
about!
That's
that
appropriation
of
fund
balance
that
you
balance
your
budget.
B
E
T
This
I
mean
kind
of
connecting
to
the
conversation
we
had
at
the
budget
workshop,
where
we're
trying
to
figure
out.
How
do
we
strategically
think
about
fund
balance
usage
and
when
it's
important
to
do
pay
go
when
we,
when
it's
smarter
to
do
longer
term
debt
financing
and
when
it's
smartest
to
use
at
to
appropriate
actual
fund
balance
dollars
for
immediate
projects
or
needs?
And
so
that's
the
piece
that
I
just
as
we
move
forward
through
the
next
two
budget
workshops
on
the
budget
cycle.
E
And
so
so
that's
the
revenue
conversation
which
is
scheduled
for
the
26
or
six
years,
the
26th.
So
we
start
with
expenditures,
and
we
show
you
the
big
ticket
items
that
are
in
the
budget
and
then
we
sit
there
and
go
through
all
the
revenues
and
appropriate
fund
balance
is
considered
one
of
those
revenues
or
financing
sources.
T
A
Just
think
on
this
slide
for
a
second,
I
want
to
make
sure
I'm
understanding
these
numbers
correctly
as
as
well
so,
on
those
last
two
lines,
the
fy
2022
appropriated
fund,
balance
of
the
12.8
million.
That's
what's
anticipated
that
will
need
to
be
spent
to
balance
the
budget
right.
But
then,
after
that,
if
this
all
played
out
as
forecasted
here,
there
would
be
13.1
million
left
over.
A
AA
A
T
A
Well:
okay,
just
let's
be
clear
on
this
on
this
point
so
because
I
guess
my
takeaway
from
the
conversation
was
that
that
that
that
first
two
groups
of
projects
like
if
we
approve
this
tonight,
those
will
go
ahead
and
be
funded
as
described
here
and
that
that
will
happen
before
the
end
of
may.
So
that's
kind
of
that
would
be
in
motion
right.
AA
A
Okay-
and
I
get
that
and
we're
not
wanting
to
do
a
fire
drill
here,
but
would
those
would
the
issuance
of
that
debt
require
another
vote
to
actually
execute?
Oh.
A
AA
A
E
And
when
we
discussed
the
budget,
we
were
planning
on
spending
that
three,
whatever
that
number
3.7,
we
were
spent
thinking
that
we
would
bring
that
3.7
to
you
as
a
transfer
from
the
capital
projects
for
those
capitals.
So
you
can
say
no
less,
that
finance
that
or
use
fund
balance
or
whatever
method
you
want
to
pay
for
those
projects
or
not
do
the
projects
at
all.
E
A
All
in
favor
say
aye
aye
any
opposed
all
right.
Thank
you.
That
was
a
really
helpful
discussion.
All
right.
Commissioners.
Next
item
is
budget
amendment
for
the
opioid
settlement
and
john
hudson's
still
here
and
victoria
wright
richard
I'm
sorry
for
mispronouncing.
Your
last
name
is
here.
A
AB
AB
26
billion
dollars
across
the
nation
has
been
finalized
with
the
top
three
opioid
drug
distributors
and
manufacturer.
In
order
to
battle
the
impacts
of
the
opioid
epidemic,
north
carolina
will
receive
more
than
757
million
dollars
to
be
distributed
according
to
the
moa
between
north
carolina
and
local
governments.
AB
AB
Buncombe
county
will
receive
about
16
million
dollars
over
the
next
17
years,
and
the
city
of
asheville
will
be
receiving
about.
1.5
million
funds
have
been
released
to
the
national
distributor
and
will
begin
to
be
dispersed
to
the
local
districts
sometime
over
the
spring,
and
then
the
summer
of
2022.
AB
AB
AB
These
are
the
12,
evidence-based,
high-impact
strategies
outlined
in
the
moa.
Buncombe
county
is
already
actively
practicing
each
of
these
strategies
through
a
range
of
public
services
and
community
partnerships,
in
line
with
the
county's
strategic
priorities
around
resident
well-being,
which
are
reducing
jail
population
and
enhancing
public
safety,
as
well
as
eliminating
deaths
as
a
result
of
substance
abuse.
AB
This
collaborative
will
provide
input
on
recommendations
for
use
of
the
settlement
funds,
the
county
also
hired
a
behavioral
health
manager
and
a
behavioral
health
and
justice
analyst
to
help
oversee
these
efforts
and
to
give
a
high
level
perspective
of
where
these
strategies
are
currently
occurring
within
the
county.
Today,
our
emergency
services
support
strategy
number
two.
Three
seven
and
eight.
AB
This
collaborative
will
be
the
vehicle
in
which
we
utilize
the
community's
input
regarding
identified,
needs
strategies
and
program
feedback
so
that
we
can
channel
the
right
resources
to
the
right
place
at
the
right
time.
The
collaborative
is
currently
in
the
process
of
building
and
solidifying
stakeholders,
as
well
as
operational
structure.
These
are
some
of
the
identified
partners.
We
are
bringing
to
the
table
to
influence
strategic
recommendations.
AB
At
the
same
time,
we
will
be
working
on
building
a
more
comprehensive
community
engagement
process
and
begin
strategic
planning
on
the
use
of
funds
for
the
following
year.
Midterm
will
involve
measurement
and
reporting
of
funded
programs
and
continuing
the
strategic
planning
cycle
long
term.
There
will
be
a
greater
focus
on
regional
coordination
and
engagement,
as
well
as
a
focus
on
prevention.
AB
We
have
started
a
public
input
page
to
have.
The
community
share
their
top
priorities
on
where
they
think
settlement
funds
should
be
addressed.
Initially,
we
will
continue
to
utilize
this
tool
so
that,
throughout
the
years
of
funding,
we
can
ensure
continuous
feedback
loops,
we'll
use
multiple
tactics
to
ensure
the
page
is
shared
widely,
including
social
media
channels
and
existing
community
listservs.
AB
We
will
use
community
engagement
markets
to
meet
with
community
members
directly,
including
those
hardest
to
reach,
to
gain
individual
input
and
stories
of
what
they
see
and
what
they
think
is
needed.
We
will
use
these
outlets
to
help
further
frame,
how
we
need
to
get
input
from
our
community
and
those
most
impacted.
AB
So
today
we
shared
an
initial
overview
of
the
funds
coming
to
buncombe
county
and
steps
will
be
taking
place
to
inform
how
those
funds
could
be
used.
We
ask
that
you
share
feedback,
thoughts
or
ideas,
and
then,
after
we
have
gained
further
community
input,
we
will
return
to
a
briefing
meeting
to
share
what
we
are
hearing
and
the
strategies
that
are
identified
as
priorities
by
june
and
july
of
this
year.
T
Just
start
by
saying,
thank
you
to
you
y'all
and
everyone
on
staff.
You
know
this
is
a
long
long
time
coming.
I
think,
as
everyone
on
commission
knows
and
and
a
moment
of
both
real
opportunity
and
obligation
across
the
state-
and
I
think
it
speaks
volumes
that
as
you
look
at
the
high
impact
strategies
identified
in
the
settlement
agreement,
buncombe
county
is
already
engaged
in
that
work
in
such
substantial
ways.
T
So
it's
you
know
and
the
recent
statewide
data
that's
come
out
around
the
increase
in
overdoses
and
overdose
tests
during
the
pandemic.
I
think
certainly
reminds
us
of
of
how
urgent
the
work
is.
So
it's
great
to
see
the
community
engagement
process
being
outlined
and
just
really
look
forward
to
updates,
as
this
now
becomes
real
after
a
lot
of
anticipation
and
just
wanted
to
kind
of
kick
things
off
by
saying
that.
F
I'll
say
thank
you
as
well,
and
thanks
for
providing
all
this
really
great
detail,
that
will
help
us
kind
of
understand
how
it's
going
to
unfold.
One
question
that
I
have
a
preliminary
question.
I
know
it
says
the
draft
financial
plan
in
july
august
and
because
we're
already
doing
so
much
of
this
good
work,
I
do
wonder
how
some
like,
I
think,
the
medicaid
assistant
program,
which
we're
already
doing,
I
believe,
that's
been
funded
by
grants
up
to
this
point.
F
AB
K
Z
So
per
the
mla
victoria
talked
about
will
receive
the
opioid
settlement
dollars
in
the
amount
of
16
million
175
039
over
17
years,
and
we
have
that
allocation
schedule
and
the
first
allocation
is
to
be
distributed
after
april
1st,
but
before
june
30th
in
the
amount
of
twenty
one
thousand
four
hundred
thirty
eight
dollars.
So
that
is
the
budget
we
would
like
to
establish
this
evening
and
our
new
dedicated
multi-year
fund
fund
229
the
opioid
settlement
fund
and
in
future
years
we
will
rather
than
bring
a
budget
amendment
every
year.
T
A
motion
for
a
budget
amendment
in
the
amount
of
621
438
dollars
in
settlement
dollars
from
opiate
litigation.
K
K
A
Any
opposed
all
right.
Thank
you
both.
Thank
you
all
right.
We
have
a
board
appointment
item
to
address
on
the
justice
resource
advisory
council.
We
have
one
appointment.
T
I
would
like
to
nominate
julie,
reisdorf
and
just
also
like
to
thank
every
member
of
the
community
who
applied
for
this
they're
very
compelling
candidates
and
great
great
conversations.
It's
great
to
see
this
level
of
community
engagement
around
dr
work,
but
nominate
julie,
reisdorf.
A
All
in
favor
say
aye
aye
any
opposed
all
right.
We
have
a
few
announcements
on
april
26th
at
11.
Am
the
commissioners
will
hold
the
budget
work
session
at
200
college
street
room
326
in
downtown
asheville
may
3rd
at
3
pm
the
commissioners
will
hold
a
briefing
meeting
at
200
college
street
room
326
in
downtown
nashville
may
3rd
at
5
pm.
The
commissioners
will
hold
a
regular
meeting
at
200
college
street
room
326
in
downtown
asheville.
We
do
have
a
need
for
a
closed
session
this
evening,
michael
free,
would
you
explain
the
purpose.
N
Yes,
sir,
mr
chairman,
commissioners,
we
request
to
go
into
closed
session
pursuant
to
general
statute,
143-318-1183,
to
consult
with
attorneys
retained
or
employed
by
the
county
to
discuss
the
matter
of
heaton
versus
wilhelm
buncombe
county
and
the
office
of
the
buncombe
county
sheriff,
which
is
on
file
in
20
cvs,
3247
buncombe
county
superior
court.
We
were
looking
for
direction
from
the
board
and
anticipate
no
action
in
open
session
afterwards.