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Description
Briefing of the Buncombe County Board of Commissioners on February 21, 2023. The briefing is a chance for Commissioners to review agenda items before the meeting. No motions will take place during the briefing.
A
B
B
And
I'll
just
make
a
brief
introduction
that
you
have
met
Sarah
before
she
has
come
in
today
to
provide
the
overview,
presentation
and
information
of
the
results
of
phase
one
of
the
DFI
study,
so
Sarah
Odio
is
the
assistant
director
of
housing
with
DFI
she'll,
go
through
her
presentation
and
then
afterwards
we'll
be
happy
to
talk
through
potential
next
steps
as
well
as
answer
any
questions
that
you
have.
C
Hello,
thank
you
all
for
having
me
here
today.
It's
really
exciting
to
be
here,
because
we
are
at
a
great
point
in
the
process
where
we
can
actually
come
back
with
some
information
to
help.
C
You
all
make
the
next
decision,
so
we
can
get
into
the
most
exciting
part
of
this
process,
so
our
plan
today
will
be
to
review
our
process
where
we've
been
where
we're
going,
we
will
get
into
what
you're
looking
for,
which
is
the
you
know,
initial
analysis
of
the
sites
that
you
previously
identified
in
downtown
and
then
from
there
we'll
cover
sort
of
this
secondary
site
that
we
identified
and
then
we'll
talk
about
some
next
steps.
What
what
comes
after
this?
C
So
just
for
anyone
here
that
is
not
familiar
with
us,
I
am
with
the
development
Finance
initiative.
We
are
a
program
of
the
UNC
Chapel
Hill
School
of
government
and
our
work
focuses
on
real
estate,
development
and
finance.
We
come
to
local
governments
and
we
help
them
put
together
real
estate
development
deals
that
meet
both
the
public
and
the
private
sector
interests
there.
Is
you
always
typically
see
me?
C
So
what
we
have
been
focusing
on
for
this
project,
as
you
all
know,
we're
doing
two
separate
projects
and
we'll
have
a
moment
at
the
end
to
talk
briefly
about
Ferry
Road,
but
for
this
project.
Our
goal
here
was
to
identify
sites
that
would
be
good
opportunities
for
affordable
housing
development,
and
we
do
this
by
taking
a
high
level
view
of
feasibility
right.
C
What
is
possible
within
the
Market,
within
the
physical
and
Regulatory
constraints
of
the
site
and
within
the
financial
constraints
of
the
type
of
product
that
you
want
to
get,
and
in
this
case
that
is
affordable
housing
and
what
DFI
does
that
is
different
from
what
the
private
sector
does,
because
everything
I've
just
described
is
something
that
any
developer
would
do.
Is
that
we
come
in
and
we
layer
in
the
public
interest,
and
we
say
what
is
it
that
this
community
wants
to
achieve
now?
C
I
say
that
what
we've
done
so
far
is
high
level,
because
what
comes
next
in
this
process
is
going
to
be
much
more
site
specific,
so
you
all
are
going
to
have
the
opportunity
to
identify
up
to
three
sites
that
you
want
to
proceed
with
and
then
we're
going
to
really
get
into
the
details
of
that
site
and
we
will
identify
very
site-specific
public
interests.
So
you
know,
if
you're,
in
downtown,
if
you're
elsewhere.
What
is
it
that
the
context
of
that
area
requires
of
this
site?
C
Should
it
just
be
residential
or
are
there
other
things
that
you
can
achieve
with
the
site
as
well?
So
that
is
part
of
phase
two
which
will
come
next
and
our
goal
then,
as
part
of
that
process,
will
be
to
identify
a
development
partner
to
actually
execute
on
the
vision.
So
we
always
say
that
our
work
is
not
meant
to
be
a
report
that
you
leave
on
your
desk.
We
will
get
you
a
partner.
C
Remember,
each
site
will
have
more
specific
ones,
high
level
priorities
for
site
ID,
so
the
site
selected
for
affordable
housing
development
should
increase
the
stock
of
housing
for
low
and
moderate
income,
households
in
a
mixed
income,
setting
leverage,
underutilized,
publicly
owned
properties,
capitalize
on
existing
infrastructure
utilities
and
access
to
employment
and
maximize
the
opportunity
for
private
investment
in
order
to
optimize
your
public
investment.
That
is
always
the
goal
in
our
work.
C
The
demand
is
greatest
within
the
small
elderly,
household
segment
and
families.
Small
families
there
is
even
this
is
this-
is
the
demand
now
right?
This
is
what
we
see
from
the
data
which
lags
a
couple
years
back,
but
there
is
significant
pressure
on
all
housing
types,
so
we're
seeing
rents
increase
and
the
cost
of
living
rise
and
vacancies
remain
very
low
across
all
products
which
indicates
to
us
that
whatever
the
issue
was
or
the,
however,
many
households
were
in
a
bad
situation
a
couple
years
ago,
it's
probably
gotten
worse
today.
C
C
So
getting
into
the
site,
suitability
we
had,
as
I
said
earlier,
primary
emphasis
on
these
orange
county-owned
properties
previously
identified
by
County
staff,
and
then
we
did
a
secondary
search
for
additional
sites
that
are
suitable
for
the
low-income
housing
tax
credits.
C
Now
you're
going
to
hear
me
throughout
this
process,
talk
quite
a
bit
about
litec,
low-income
housing,
tax
credit.
Why
do
I
do
that?
Well,
because
it
is
the
number
one
funding
source
to
deliver
affordable
housing
units
in
North
Carolina
across
the
country,
so
from
its
Inception
in
the
90s
it
has
taken
off
as
the
primary
funding
source
for
Housing
Development
and
is
now
delivering
more
units
than
any
other
federal
subsidy.
C
Now,
when
this
is,
there
are
two
different
types
of
tax
credits,
so
without
getting
too
deep
into
the
weeds,
there's
a
nine
percent
that
is
very
competitive
and
there's
a
four
percent,
that's
less
competitive
but,
as
you
can
tell
by
the
numbers,
one
gives
you
a
much
greater
subsidy
than
the
other
and
so
kind
of
back
of
the
hand.
Let's
say
nine
percent
is
ninety
percent
of
the
capital.
Four
percent
is
forty
percent
of
the
capital.
C
C
It
gets
more
challenging
over
time
with
land,
but
there's
likelihood
that
this
year
and
next
year
there
will
be
roughly
80
units
delivered
through
this
program
on
an
annual
basis
where
we
see
sort
of
a
an
overall
increase
in
the
number
of
units
delivered
to
this
program
on
an
annual
basis
is
when
we
get
into
the
four
percent
tax
credit
projects-
and
you
can
see
here
that
you
have
participated
in
all
of
the
yellow
four
percent
tax
credit
projects
that
have
come
through
Buncombe
in
the
last
10
years,
and
you
can
see
there
that,
with
the
four
percent
tax
credit
you
can
deliver
in
one
project,
200
units,
maybe
even
more
with
an
exemption.
C
So
the
difference
in
what
can
get
done
is
significantly
more
with
the
four
percent,
but
the
Gap
is
bigger
right.
So
it
is
a
question
of
trade-offs
and
having
a
conversation
about
public
investment
and
I'll
get
into
that,
which
is
how
do
we
fill
and
how
do
we
build
housing?
There
are
loans
that
play
a
critical
part
of
funding,
affordable
housing.
So
it's
never
just
the
tax
credit
we
try
to
maximize
whatever
loans
are
available.
C
The
tax
credit
comes
in
as
equity
for
the
project,
so
it's
cash
for
the
project
and
this
tax
credit
I.
Think
one
important
thing
to
note
is
that
the
tax
credit
has
a
value
attached
to
it.
That
does
fluctuate
on
an
annual
basis
with
the
market.
So
what
would
have
been
worth?
You
know
94
cents,
last
year
today
it's
worth
84
cents,
and
so
that
does
impact
the
Gap
and
what
you're
going
to
hear
from
developers
about
what
is
needed.
C
C
C
C
Now
this
is
going
to
be
it's
frustrating
to
say
this,
but
parking
really
becomes
the
limiting
factor
in
the
amount
of
density
that
you
can
achieve
on
a
site.
So
how
many
units?
The
density
that
you
can
get
on
a
site
and
because
of
this
on-site
parking
requirement,
you
know,
for
example,
on
Cox
avenue.
We
know
we
have
a
parking
deck
two
blocks
away.
C
So
what
we
did
here
with
this
work
is
we
demonstrated
the
maximum
density
with
the
lowest
cost
parking
option.
That
means
either
surface
parking
or
Podium
parking,
which
is
really
when
you
just
Elevate
the
building
one
story
and
fit
that
parking
in
that
single
story.
Underneath
structured
parking
is
possible.
C
Right
a
parking
deck
is
always
possible,
but
when
you're
looking
at
a
site-
and
you
think
you
know,
if
we
did
parking
structure
there-
we
could
get
so
many
more
units
I
want
you
to
remember
that
for
each
of
those
we're
talking
about
an
additional
roughly
20
000
per
parking
space,
so
20
000
per
unit,
and
so
for
that
reason
that
might
be
a
site-specific
interest
right
in
phase
two,
you
might
say
we
need
a
parking
deck
there.
We
need
more
units
at
this
point.
C
These
financing
estimates
that
you'll
see
are
based
on
these
test
fits
right
and
we
looked
at
targeting
incomes
that
would
maximize
your
ability
to
win
a
nine
percent
tax
credit
and
because
you
don't
really
have
to
compete
for
the
four
percent.
We
did
a
lot
more
mixed
income
and
tried
to
maximize
the
rental
income
within
the
affordability
space
for
the
four
percent
tax
credit,
we're
assuming
the
use
of
project-based
vouchers.
C
I
think
you
all
got
an
update
recently
about
voucher
use
and
it's
something
that
you've
all
had
a
little
bit
of
insight
into,
and
these
vouchers
are
really
going
to
be
critical
to
providing
units
that
are
affordable
for
the
most
vulnerable,
extremely
low
income
households.
But
it
will
require
working
very
closely
with
the
Housing
Authority.
C
C
30
percent
of
the
area,
median
income
using
those
project-based
vouchers,
so
the
rent
there
would
be
a
portion
of
that
household's
income,
so
30
percent,
and
then
we've
got
rents
for
one
bedroom,
ranging
from
about
660
up
to
about
1500
for
a
three
bedroom.
Eighty
percent
Ami
unit,
so
that
might
feel
too
high.
That
might
feel
like
the
good
mix
right
that
you're
going
to
have
units
between
600
and
1500
within
the
same
building.
C
C
One
of
the
top
ways
that
we
typically
recommend
actually
to
our
clients
is
ground
Leasing,
but
we'll
have
a
discussion
in
that
phase,
two
about
how
you
want
to
do
it.
Ground
leasing
allows
you
to
hold
on
to
the
property
in
perpetuity
which
is
different
from
if
you
were
to
just
sell
and
convey
it
at
no
value,
which
is
what
we're
looking
at
here
to
the
developer.
C
So
jumping
in
the
three
sites,
I,
wouldn't
say:
they're.
Actually,
three
sites
they're
three
clusters,
because
one
of
them,
the
first
one
that
we'll
look
at
is
really
multiple
sites
there.
As
you
can
see,
just
kind
of
our
goal
is
to
try
to
get
all
these
properties
together
and
do
one
great
big,
awesome
one,
but
there's
a
lot
happening
in
between
them
and
that's
just
the
reality
of
this
area,
which
is
great
it's
downtown.
C
C
We
looked
at
I
think
this
is
94
96
Cox
on
the
corner
of
Cox
and
Hilliard.
This
is
an
awesome
building
on
the
national
register.
It's
got
about
15
000
square
feet
in
it,
which
means
it's
just
not
big
enough
to
get
more
than
12
units
so
compared
to
other
sites
where
that'll
be
much
more
high
impact.
C
This
one
just
isn't
going
to
get
you
that
density
and
allow
you
to
preserve
the
building,
and
on
top
of
that,
even
if
you
were
to
build,
bring
the
building
down,
it's
just
a
very
narrow,
topographically
challenged
site.
So
you
know
better
to
stick
with
the
preservation
angle,
or
at
least
you
know,
think
about
using
it
for
something
else.
Complementary
right.
D
Saying
you
could
you
could
put
12
units
on
the
parking
lot
behind
the
building?
No.
C
You
were
determined
to
use
the
building
for
residential,
something
that
we
did
look
at
and
we
provided
you.
Some
details
on
would
be
affordable,
condo
model
so
Condominiums.
There
are
a
lot
of
challenges
with
affordable
Condominiums,
which
you'll
hear
a
lot
about
when
we
talk
about
Ferry,
Road
related
to
HOAs
and
all
of
that,
so
it
would
be
tough
and
you
would
get
about
10
to
12
units
compared
to
other
sites.
C
Ideally,
we
could
have
used
them
both
for
parking
and
really
maximize
density
on
other
sites,
but
they
are
just
they're
simply
too
technically
too
far
from
the
actual
site
to
qualify
for
parking
for
light
tech
now
something
that
could
be
a
possibility
and
that
when
we
go
and
if
we
were
to
go
into
phase
two
for
Cox
avenue,
we
would
look
at
is
looking
at
Sawyer.
Street
is
Sawyer
Street
critical
to
this
area.
C
So
looking
at
sort
of
a
3D
box,
this
is
not
the
design
for
50
and
52
Cox
avenue.
Just
looking
at
52,
you
can
see
a
four-story
structure
here
with
Podium
parking,
and
in
doing
this
we
could
get
about
80
units
on
that
one
acre
with
an
estimated
Gap
per
unit
competing
for
the
nine
percent
tax
credit
to
get
those
80
units.
Now
reminder
that
the
limiting
factor
here
is
that
parking.
C
We
also
looked
at
50
Cox
avenue,
which
currently
has
the
elections.
Warehouse
52
Cox
avenue
currently
has
the
ID
building
and
that
site
alone
is
kind
of
too
small
and
too
sort
of
weirdly
shaped,
and
it's
only
about
0.4
Acres,
so
less
than
half
an
acre.
So
we
were
able
to
get
about
40
units
above
a
Podium
here
because
of
the
size
of
it.
It's
just
too
small
to
compete
for
nine
percent
and
on
its
own,
it's
way
too
small
for
a
four
percent
tax
credit.
So
we
looked
at
combining
it
with
52.
C
If
we
were
able
to
and
doing
120
units
together
using
the
four
percent
tax
credit,
and
with
that
we
would,
it
would
be
about
60
000
in
gap
funding
per
unit,
to
achieve
that
now,
if
we
were
able
to
close
Sawyer
Street,
we
could
potentially
get
more
density
because
we
could
get
more
parking
on
site
and
there's
the
potential
for
a
nine
percent.
Four
percent
tax
credit
deal,
which,
in
mixing
the
two
tax
credits
you
could
bring
down
the
overall
cost
per
unit
at
the
moment
between
these
two
sites.
D
And
did
you
mention?
We
had
a
conversation
preparing
kind
of
for
this
presentation.
You
mentioned
that,
like
maybe
one
solution,
if
you
can't
close
the
street
or
don't
want
to
close,
the
street
might
actually
be
doing
like
a
like
a
like
literally
a
Brit
like
if
you
developed
all
these
Parcels
like
doing
a
like
a
pedestrian,
walkway
elevated
above
this
tree.
So
it's
quote
unquote
connected
which
seems
completely
silly,
but
the
rules
are
like.
D
You
know
a
bad
policy
frankly
that
that's
how
that
that
they
would
look
at
these
as
unconnected
when
they're
literally
connected,
but
for
a
public
Street
I
mean
this
is
a
city
we
have
streets.
I
mean
like
what
that's
so
illogical,
but
so
that
may
be.
That
could
be
something
to
be
looked
at
right,
because
if
you
did
that,
then
you
could
say
it's
connected
right.
Someone
lives
over
here.
They
walk
across
and
they're
the
parking
structure
parking's
over
there
it's
connected
so
would
cost
some
money.
D
You
might
look
kind
of
kind
of
weird,
but
maybe
one
thing
to
consider
when
you
go
into.
C
Mortgage
yeah
and
so
phase
two
we're
going
to
look
at
a
lot
of
different
scenarios
here,
so
we
will
look
at
a
version
without
tax
credit
and
what
that
flexibility
would
allow
and
what
that
could
look
like
remembering,
though,
that
we're
leaving
a
lot
of
equity
on
the
table,
but
there
are
other
ways
to
do
it
and
think
about
it.
C
My
presentation's
gone
okay
but
yeah.
Something
like
that.
I
think
we'll
look
at
it.
You
know
we'll
see.
Is
that
feasible
though?
How
high
does
it
have
to
go
for
trucks
to
get
through
if
you're
going
to
keep
it
open?
And
there
are
a
lot
of
sort
of
elements
involved
with
putting
two
bridges
over
a
road
in
downtown?
That's
that'll,
be
an
interesting
conversation,
I
think
and
might
push
for
the
closure
of
Sawyer
Street.
C
So
looking
at
Valley
Street,
we
looked
at
two
different
versions
on
Valley
Street,
looking
at
just
the
north
portion.
If,
for
some
reason,
preserving
the
southern
portion
would
be
impossible
or
difficult
or
there
were
other
uses
preferred
there,
I
also
want
to
flag
that
on
the
south
end,
there
is
some
City
work,
that's
being
done
around
reparations,
and
so
we
want
to
be
considerate
of
that.
But
we
can
do
that.
Looking
at
the
entire
site
and
just
the
north
portion
estimated
unit
count.
C
C
This
site
is
not
competitive
for
nine
percent
tax
credit
and
it's
because
it
is
next
to
the
Buncombe
Detention
Center,
the
Detention
Center,
being
next
to
a
Detention,
Center
deducts
three
points,
and
that's
that
that's
the
end
of
the
application,
but
it
does
make
for
a
good
four
percent
tax
credit
development
site
and
I
want
to
remind
you
when
you
look
at
this,
that
again
just
boxes
and
as
we
go
into
the
phase
two.
If
you
want
to
proceed
with
Valley
Street,
we
would
consider
different
kind
of
ways
to
design
this
site.
C
C
An
estimated
Gap
per
unit
of
about
51
you'll
see
it's
a
little
bit
less
than
if
we
do
fewer
ones
right,
because
you're
Distributing
things
like
site
work
across
more
units,
you're
Distributing
things
like
the
cost
of
the
bond
that
comes
with
a
four
percent
tax
credit
across
more
units,
and
so
there
is
a
benefit
with
four
percent
in
particular.
To
do
more,
that's
why
I
say
40
is
just
too
small
because
it's
going
to
be
so
much
more
per
unit
than
what
you
could
do
here
so
again.
C
Don't
imagine
that
this
is.
You
know
where
this
building
would
be
and
what
it
would
look
like,
but
that's
the
density
we
can
get
with
this
site.
So
you
can
do
quite
a
bit
here
reminder
that
there
is
a
building
on
the
site.
Now
that
would
need
to
be
current
tenants,
relocated
and
building
demolished.
C
So
looking
at
the
Woodfin
parking
lot,
so
we
were
asked
to
look
specifically
just
at
the
surface
lot
on
35
Woodfin
on
this
site.
We
could
fit
about
48
units.
It
is
competitive
for
the
nine
percent
tax
credit
on
about
an
acre
with
surface
parking
this,
because
it's
so
small
right
there
is
no
Gap,
because
we
don't
exceed
sort
of
the
limit.
C
The
Challenge
here
and
and
I'll
remind
you
is
that
on
an
annual
basis,
if
you
do
nothing
or
even
just
minor
participation
here
there,
but
basically,
if
you
do
nothing,
you
are
going
to
get
80
units
through
the
tax
credit
program
70
to
80
units
through
the
tax
credit
program,
so
in
pursuing
a
project
here
on
this
site
of
the
size,
with
just
48
units,
you're,
basically
trying
to
compete
against
the
private
Market
to
do
less
so
from
that
perspective
you
know
it's
giving
up
a
a
very
valuable
piece
of
land
or
a
portion
of
a
valuable
piece
of
land
to
do
less
than
what
the
market
would
achieve.
E
C
Had
to
consider
the
existing
building,
that's
there
as
thinking
through
this.
So
that's
what
you
see
here,
which
is
considering
access
driveways
into
that
existing
building,
but
we
would
be
gobbling
up
all
the
surface.
That's
there
and
we'd
be
foregrowing
an
opportunity
to
consider
the
entire
site
as
a
whole
and
look
at
what
could
we
do
with
a
full?
You
know
three
acres
versus
one
acre,
so
looking
at
the
properties
side
by
side,
we've
got
the
Woodfin
parking
lot,
50
52
Cox,
which
we
would
kind
of
proceed
and
approach.
C
As
you
know,
looking
at
the
cluster
of
sites
and
figuring
out
what
was
possible
there,
Valley
Street,
you
know
we
could
look
at
and
probably
phase
two.
We
would
ask
you
to
just
say:
okay,
just
do
Valley
Street
and
we
would
consider
North
Lot
the
entire
lot
and
various
scenarios
there.
But
you
can
see
in
red
here
the
estimated
Gap
funding
for
each
of
these
projects
and
I
want
to
draw
your
eye
to
the
estimated
land
value
in
downtown
of
these
properties,
so
per
acre
we're
talking
about
1.8
to
2.2
million
in
land
value.
C
C
F
I'm
always
struck
by
all
these
aerial
imagery
images
of
downtown
that
show
how
we
use
so
much
of
it
to
just
temporarily
store
cars,
but
there's
there's
a
parking
requirement
with
with
nchfa
right
and
then
also
City
Zoning.
So
can
you
just
kind
of
maybe
I
missed
that?
But
can
you
explain
the
difference
between
those
two?
Yes,.
C
So
nchfa
they
have
what
they
call
qualified
allocation
plan
and
that
they
say
you
have
to
provide
1.75
parking
spaces
per
unit
unless
there
is
a
local
ordinance
or
local
regulations
that
allow
you
to
have
less
that
have
a
lower
threshold,
and
so
we
are
operating
on
a
lower
threshold.
In
the
assumption
that
the
local
government
will
want
that
here
we
see
it
in
downtown
Durham,
where
they
actually
were
able
to
reduce
their
parking
requirement
for
their
affordable
housing
projects
to
about
0.6
to
0.7
spaces
per
unit.
We
see
it
in
Charlotte.
F
C
F
C
C
No
well
it's
a
negotiation
with
the
Housing
Finance
Agency.
So
you
need
to
make
a
compelling
case
that
you
can
reduce
it.
They
won't
get
behind
zero,
so
they
haven't
set
a
minimum
other
than
it's
not
zero.
So
it
really
just
comes
down
to
you
know
rocking
mount.
For
example:
I've
got
a
project
there.
Now
they
have
a
zero
parking
requirement
in
their
downtown.
The
Housing
Finance
Agency
looked
at
the
market
and
they
said
it's
Rocky
Mount.
You
need
parking.
Let's
do
one
per
unit
or
1.2.
D
D
D
Yes,
parking
units
per
acre,
because
currently
the
the
working
assumption
in
the
model
is
one
which
may
be
just
being
more
conservative,
but
if
that
did
go
down
to
0.6
I
mean
that
would
increase
the
number
of
units
by
like
50
right
off
the
bat
or
something
close
to
it.
Right.
Yes,.
C
D
C
C
All
right
moving
into
the
secondary
site,
so
we
didn't
take
it
for
granted
that
the
only
sites
are
in
downtown.
We
looked
elsewhere,
we
looked
all
across
the
county.
We
use
the
criteria
set
by
the
Housing
Finance
Agency
through
their
plan
about
proximity
to
amenities,
about
a
proximity
to
dis
amenities.
C
So
you
need
to
have
a
distance
between
and
access
to,
Transit,
which
is
like
the
most
beneficial
thing
for
one
of
these
developments,
and
then
we
added
additional
criteria
above
and
beyond
what
they
required
just
to
be
realistic,
so
publicly
owned
or
privately
owned
sites
with
a
path
to
site
control.
So
if
someone
already
has
a
plan
on
it,
you
know
we
won't.
We
won't
flag
that
one
and
it
should
have
at
least
an
acre
of
developable
land.
C
So
we
looked
at
the
slopes
across
the
states
that
met
the
primary
criteria
and
use
sort
of
a
an
industry
standard
of
you
know,
50
of
the
sites
with
slopes
less
than
15
degrees
or
if
less
than
15
degrees.
You
know
non-contiguous,
so
we're
really
just
trying
to
make
sure
that
we
could
actually
build
on
any
sites
that
we
flagged
and
we
wanted
to
be
located
on
existing
sewer
systems
because,
as
I
moved
through
this
at
the
end,
I'm
really
going
to
sit
on
the
idea
of
like
there
are
a
lot
of
opportunities
right.
C
If
you
have
time-
and
you
want
to
kind
of
see
them
through
what
we're
looking
at
through
our
process
because
you've
got
us
here,
DFI
is
here
we're
ready
to
go,
we're
ready
to
see
a
project
through
and
find
you
a
developer.
What
is
something
that
you
can
move
on
now
and
which
ones
do
you
want
to
prioritize?
And
so
you
know
on
existing
Source
systems
is
a
good
one.
C
It
has
kind
of
a
countyo,
it's
an
EMS
or
some
other
uses
on
it
and
a
warehouse.
We
can
fit
cleanly
about
160
units
on
four
floors
on
what
is
a
roughly
3.3
Acre
Site.
C
This
is
a
site
that,
if
you
were
to
add
a
bus,
stop
nearby
with
a
sidewalk
running
through
the
site
to
it
you
could
potentially
compete
for
nine
percent,
and
so
this
is
a
site
where
we
could
potentially
look
at
using
a
mix
of
four
and
nine
percent
tax
credits
to
bring
down
the
overall
Gap
per
unit.
It
could
also
just
be
a
very
clean
four
percent
tax
credit
deal
with
160
units
at
about
fifty
thousand
per
unit,
so
adding
that
one
into
the
mix
again
there
are
so
many
other
opportunities.
C
This
isn't
the
only
one
that's
out
there,
but
this
is
definitely
a
more
kind
of
immediate
and
I
say
immediate,
like
in
the
next
two
years.
I
had
that
question
someone's
like.
Maybe
it
feels
like
tomorrow,
no
no
like
next
couple
years,
we
could
get
a
shovel
on
the
ground
opportunities
here
in
Buncombe,
County.
C
Adding
that
the
Irwin
Hill
site
is
not
downtown,
so
it
is
a
lower
value
property
relative
to
the
other
county-owned
sites,
so
reminder
that
every
site
has
the
potential
to
support
housing.
So
the
Cox,
you
know,
Woodfin
Valley,
you
have
opportunities
on
all
of
them.
The
question
is
you
know
what
are
going
to
be
your
higher
impact
opportunities?
We
can
help
you
with
up
to
three
right
and
we
talked
about
four
sites,
so
you
could
move.
C
However,
you
want
at
this
point
reminding
you
of
the
criteria
that
we
used
at
this
point
to
select
and
to
to
analyze
these
sites.
I'm,
sorry
and
something
that
really
stuck
out
to
us
is
sort
of
like
one
of
those
primary
comparison.
Things
was,
you
know
what
really
stands
out
to
you
as
underutilized
that
you
could
move
pretty
quickly
with
so
what
happens
next?
C
Okay,
so
this
timeline
has
like
multi-universe,
it's
a
Multiverse.
Okay,
you
could
proceed
now
right
if
it's
in
the
budget
and
there's
the
ability
to
proceed,
and
so
what
we
would
do
is
the
first
thing
we
do
is
we
go
out
there
and
we
do
community
engagement
and
we
get
to
work
right
away
on
defining
the
site-specific
public
interests.
C
We
will
engage
an
architect
right
away.
So
when
you're
thinking
about
budget,
one
of
the
key
things
is
an
architect
who's
going
to
get
into
the
nitty-gritty
of
these
sites
with
DFI
leading
that
process,
and
so
the
site
analysis
we'd
want
to
engage
an
architect
right
away
to
spend
a
good
amount
of
time.
C
Looking
at
various
scenarios,
the
financial
analysis
to
get
you
really
much
more
refined
estimates
of
what
it
would
cost
and
usually
using
different
financing
models
and
then
so,
if
we
were
to
start
immediately,
our
final
recommendations
would
come
to
you
in
you
know:
August,
let's
say
for
these
sites
that
you
choose
to
proceed
with
and
then
we'd
be
identifying
a
partner
in
the
fall
and
starting
you
know
the
negotiations
on
agreements
agreements
take
time,
it's
exhausting
how
long
they
take
you
know,
but
our
goal
is
to
always
protect
you
and
your
investment
in
any
project
that
we
do.
C
If
you
wait
till
the
next
budget
cycle,
the
next
fiscal
year,
we're
just
pushing
that
back,
and
this
is
also
possible
for
us
to
a
July
start
date,
doing
everything
I've
described
here,
but
starting
in
July
and
soliciting
a
developer
into
the
next
year.
C
All
right
I
was
going
to
do
a
quick,
Ferry,
Road
update,
but
I.
Don't
know
if
you'd
like
to
pause
here
or
should
I
I'm
going
to
get
two
slides
and
then
we'll
do
like
a
whole
thing.
Okay,
so
just
a
quick
Ferry
Road
update
we're
deep
in
the
site
plan,
so
everything
I've
been
saying
we're
going
to
be
doing
in
phase
two
for
these
others.
We
are
doing
four
Ferry
Road,
it's
at
an
exciting
point
where
we're
really
getting
to
see
what
could
happen
here.
C
We
are
in
the
process
of
considering
how
we're
going
to
proceed
for
entitlement
for
this
site.
So
how
we're
going
to
get
this
zoning
in
place?
One
option
would
be
for
the
county
to
initiate
the
conditional
zoning
process
and
to
really
drive
this.
This
is
dfi's
recommendation.
C
The
other
is
for
the
county
to
select
a
developer
and
let
them
figure
drive
through
that
process
down
the
line
once
they're
already
kind
of
on
the
hook,
but
I
I
will
emphasize
that
we
highly
recommend
that
the
county
drive
this,
especially
because
you
know
the
the
city
hasn't
done
this
process
for
a
site
like
this.
C
That
many
times,
and
so
we're
really
excited
that
we
get
to
work
with
them
and
figure
out
a
vision
for
the
site
that
we
can
get
the
zoning
in
place
for
in
advance
and
allow
for
some
flexibility
for
the
Developers.
And
so
there
will
be
additional
Community
engagement,
I
say
in
the
spring
spring
summer.
C
It
depends
because
we're
thinking
about
the
entitlement
process
now
and
how
to
kind
of
double
up
what's
required
from
that
with
this
process,
and
so
that
timeline
is
we're
busy
we're
in
the
middle
of
it.
We're
in
the
thick
orange
with
as
I
said,
that
engagement
coming
kind
of
spring
summer
and
after
we
make
recommendations
for
the
site
potentially
more,
if
necessary.
So
any
questions.
E
C
Is
the
primary
okay?
You
know
we'll
think
about
things
like
storm
water
like
amenity
things,
but
parking
is
the
driving
one,
and
so
in
phase
two,
when
we
get
into
it,
I
mean
we
look
at
Cox
avenue.
We
want
to
take
a
close
look
at
the
soils
to
make
sure
that
we
can
get
a
good
amount
of
density
on
that
specific
property.
So
there's
certain
elements
like
that
that
when
we
start
digging
into
the
site
there
may
be
others,
but
at
this
high
level
point
it
really
is
and
sadly
so
parking.
D
That
really
would
change
things
a
lot
if
we
could
get
down
to
0.6
right,
like
like
I
mean
some
of
the
nine
percents
would
turn
into
four
percent
or
a
combination
of
nine
percents
and
four
percents
or,
and
maybe
some
of
the
sites
that
looked
kind
of
too
small
for
a
nine
percent
might
might
suddenly
like
look
more
interesting
from
that
standpoint.
So
it
is
that
we
can't.
We
can't
have
that
negotiation
until
we
bring
a
a
project
forward
right.
Yes,.
C
It'll
be
the
developer
that
has
that
negotiation,
but
we
hope
to
speak
to
the
Housing
Finance
Agency,
frequently
throughout
the
phase
two
process,
so
that
we're
not
making
assumptions
that
are
too
far
out
of
it
and.
D
From
other
recent
projects,
though,
you
do
feel
like
there's
some
good
or
we
do
have
some
do.
We
have
some
good
examples
to
point
to.
In
other
you
know
urban
areas
like
downtown
type
environments
and
other
bigger
cities
where
they
have
gotten
to
that.
So
we're
not
going
to
be
a
complete
outlier
if
we
bring
forward.
G
E
And
I'll
also
I'm
glad
you
brought
up
the
ground
leasing,
because
one
thing
I
hear
from
the
community
is
they're
very
concerned
about.
Well
the
fact
that
you
brought
up
right
that
915
subsidized
units
are
getting
ready
to
expire,
so
they're
they're
concerned
with
how
we
go
about
this
process
and
for
long
term
affordability.
So
I'm
definitely
interested
in
hearing
more
about
that
aspect.
As
we
proceed.
D
Although
that
is
something
we
could
also,
we
can
negotiate
that
to.
If
we
did
decide
to
sell
the
property,
we
could
make
permanent
affordability
written
into
the.
C
C
Two
will
be
to
get
into
the
details
of
that
I've
had
this
same
exact
conversation
with
multiple
clients,
because
the
question
always
comes
back
to
how
do
we
guarantee
in
perpetuity
and
a
ground
lease
is
really
the
most
active
tool
that
you
have
available
to
you,
but
there
are
others,
and
what's
important,
though,
is
that
a
ground
lease
today
no
longer
deters
developers,
so
it's
becoming
more
and
more
common
every
day.
So
it's
not
something
that
we
would
say
you
got
to
be
careful
because
developers
don't
like
it.
No.
D
Well,
it's
it's
I
mean
aside
from
these
particular
Parcels
that
is
kind
of
an
important
point,
because
we're
always
involved
in
all
these
negotiations
with
developers
around
like
what
happens.
Beyond
the
you
know
the
light
tech
financing
period
where
they
could
go
to
market
rate.
D
Some
developers
say
well
we're
willing
to
write
into
it
that
it's
permanently
affordable,
but
it
would
be
great
to
know
just
kind
of
in
general
if
we
don't
own
the
land
or
aren't
doing
a
ground
lease.
Do
we
have
some
legally
enforceable
mechanisms
to
to
build
that
in
because
I
think
there's
going
to
be
a
lot
of
projects
where
we
would
want
to
really
advocate
for
that,
that's
beyond
our
publicly
owned
properties,
but.
C
Yeah
I
agree,
but
I
will
emphasize
that
the
fact
that
you're
putting
publicly
owned
land
into
this
is
a
very
powerful
tool.
It
is
you
know
it's
what
we
do,
because
there's
so
much
more.
You
can
accomplish
if
you're
willing
to
put
that
into
the
mix.
So.
E
And
actually
it's
interesting
that
you
looked
at
the
Irwin
Hills
that
was
brought
up
to
me
last
week
there
was
a
there's,
a
project
close
to
that
that
was
teacher
housing
and
actually
I
met
with
some
of
the
Buncombe
County
schools
and
a
school
board
member
and
a
few
people
on
the
foundation,
and
they
actually
brought
up
some
pretty
serious
concerns
around
teacher
housing
and
looking
at
ways.
E
So
I
just
feel
like
that's
something
to
put
out
there
for
us
just
to
think
about
too,
as
we're
going
forward,
not
necessarily
saying
in
one
specific
area
here,
but
they
are
definitely
having
those
conversations,
and
it
is
something
that
we've
worked
on
in
the
past.
D
Right
using
county-owned
properties,
yes,
sir,
is
it
good?
It
was
a
good
model,
it
still
is
so
Sarah.
Are
you
looking
for
feedback
from
the
commission
today
or
what's
the
time
frame
that
we
need,
because
we've
got
these
four
sites,
we
want
to
focus
on
three
unless
we
decide
otherwise.
So
what's
the
time
frame
for
you
know
saying
it's
these
three
and
we'll
take
a
pause
on
site,
whatever
site
four
is
at
least
for
the
time
being
so
or
Avril.
D
H
Precedent
has
been
two
weeks,
so
we
would
love
to
bring
this
back
on
the
agenda
for
a
vote
and
the
guidance
by
staff,
because,
as
Sarah
mentioned,
it
would
be
funding.
So
we
would
have
to
come
forward
a
budget
amendment
I'm
not
going
to
put
Matt
on
the
spot,
because
I
promised
him
I
wouldn't.
But
I
would
like
for
you
to
talk
about
taking
money
from
the
affordable
housing
to
at
least
start
that
because
he
does
some
program
income.
But
we
don't
have
enough
to
do
all
the
science
so
we'll
bring
that
back
next
week.
D
That
sounds
great
I
mean
I'll,
just
I'll,
just
I
mean
I'll,
say
I'm,
definitely
supportive.
If
we
need
to
do
a
budget
amendment
to
keep
the
process
moving
ahead,
utilizing
some
of
the
our
use.
Would
it
be
like
funds
that
we
would
be
planning
to
program
into
affordable
housing,
Services
Program,
but
it
would
just
be
sort
of
going
ahead
and
funding
it
now,
rather
than
waiting
for
the
budget
allocations.
I.
D
Okay,
yeah
because
I
anyway,
I
think
it's.
These
are
very
promising.
I
mean
I'm
excited
about
the
kind
of
it's
I'm,
looking
forward
to
phase
two
when
it
gets
into
more
detail.
But
these
are
there's
great
potential
here.
I
think
so,
including
with
this
Irwin
Irwin
site,
looks,
looks
really
encouraging.
G
An
aside
to
address
what
commissioner
Wells
specifically
said,
I
know
in
one
of
our
affordable
housing
subcommittee
meetings,
Mr
fruit
explained
to
us-
and
this
is
a
little
separate
from
dfi's
work.
D
What
other
one
other
question?
Maybe
just
for
right
now
in
terms
of
the
the
the
the
downtown
properties
and
then
the
property
in
Irwin,
you
said
you
did
one
and
two
bedrooms
as
long
as
they
were
under.
Was
it
80
or
90
unit
developments?
And
then,
if
they
were
over
that,
then
you
included
some
three
bedrooms
and
what
was
the
mix
of
one
and
two
bedroom
units?
Was
it
the
same
on
each
of
the
different
sites
for
just.
C
C
If
you
have
kind
of
a
mix
that
that
you're
thinking
about
that,
you
feel
is
lacking
in
the
area,
we're
gonna,
you
know
we
did
look
at
the
market
analysis
as
part
of
this
high
level.
That's
why
we
skewed
towards
the
one
and
two,
but
there
may
be
a
greater
need
for
three
bedrooms
for
the
project-based
vouchers,
for
example,
that
will
will
spend
time
looking
at.
D
I
guess
just
like
One
initial
thought,
just
thinking
about
these
different
parts
of
the
community
I
mean
part
of
what's
cool
about
the
Irwin
property.
Is
that
it's
located
next
to
an
elementary
school,
an
intermediate
school
and
a
high
school
I
mean
so
it's
like
it's
just
kind
of
unique
and
I'm,
not
completely
unique,
but
it's
like
if
you
had
a
development
there
for
families
with
kids,
they
they're
like
within
walking
distance
or
super
close
to
all
these
different
schools.
D
So
so
you
know
it
would
be
very
attractive,
I
think
for
a
lot
of
families
with
kids,
in
particular
because
of
that
proximity
to
schools,
whereas
the
downtown
properties.
You
know
a
lot
more,
probably
like
Workforce
right,
like
people
who
work
downtown,
maybe
had
maybe
don't
have
kids
yet
or
maybe
they're
retired.
You
know
when
we
live
downtown,
but
probably
less
of
like
a
lot
of
families
with
kids.
D
So
maybe
just
the
downtown
might
be
a
lot
more
like
a
lot
more
one
bedrooms,
or
maybe
one
and
two,
whereas
like
Erwin
Hill,
seems
like
it
like
a
lot
of
people
might
have
children
or
several
children.
That
would
be
a
particularly
attractive
site.
D
I
mean
it's
available
now
right.
We
just
need
yeah
so
like
when
we
go
through
our
affordable
housing.
Services
Program
applications
this
year.
You
know,
we've
got
our
budgeted
funds,
but
if
there
are,
you
know
really
compelling
projects,
we
could
make
recommendations
for
funding
some
of
those
projects
through
bond
fund
so
because
it
is
they're
available
right.
We
just
now
need
to
connect
them
to
good
projects.
A
D
Foreign
thank
you
to
you
and
everyone
on
your
team.
We
look
forward
to
talking
again
at
our
next
meeting,
all
right.
D
J
No
comment
so
one
of
the
things
that's
most
exciting
in
the
world
of
planning
is
emerging
Technologies,
just
to
sort
of
set
the
stage
here
in
the
1980s
and
the
early
1990s.
There
was
this
thing
called
cell
phones
and
many
people
were
fearful
of
them
when
they
first
came
about,
and
there
were
a
lot
of
a
lot
of
pretty
substantial
and
heavy
regulations
around
telecommunication
Towers
and
a
lot
has
changed
in
that
realm.
J
J
The
reason
I
wanted
to
get
this
document
out
to
you
is
when
we
talk
about
a
new
land
use,
it's
important
to
have
the
most
impartial
information
related
to
it,
and
we
really
want
to
differentiate
between
both
cryptocurrency
mining
operations
versus
data
centers,
and
it's
important
to
know
so
for
the
most
basic
of
definitions,
because
this
is
a
very,
very
complex
situation
involving
a
digital
currency.
J
The
new
emergency
emerging
digital
Tech
currencies
using
Bitcoin
as
an
example,
is
the
way
that
they
work
is
transactions
take
place
all
across
the
world
in
a
digital
form.
This
is
actually
a
digital
currency,
the
way
that
they
actually
perform
these
world
these.
These
real
world
financial
transactions
is
through
complex
mathematical
calculations
and
without
going
into
great
detail,
the
verification
process
is
referred
to
as
Mining
and
the
reward
as
part
of
a
mining
operation
is
a
fraction
or
part
of
a
whole
coin.
So
how
does
this
work?
How
does
this
mining
operation
work?
J
J
The
reason
that
we
also
want
to
be
very
careful
here
with
server
Farms
is
that
they
can.
They
can
serve
two
functions.
You
might
have
an
operation,
that's
in
a
building.
That's
crunching
numbers
all
day,
long
for
cryptocurrency
mining.
You
might
also
have
a
building
that
is
performing
calculations
all
day,
long
for
the
purposes
of
serving
internet
for
the
purposes
of
serving
National
climatic
data
center
calculations.
You
know
back
in
the
80s,
we
had
these
large
things
called
mainframes
and
supercomputers.
J
J
Could
one
be
located
in
Buncombe
County?
The
zoning
ordinance
does
not
outright
Define
cryptocurrency
mining
is
specific
use,
but
there
is
generic
classification,
storage
and
warehousing.
So
what
the
school
government
says
is
that
you
need
to
be
really
specific.
You
don't
need
to
be
really
specific
in
terms
of
the
zoning
ordinance.
It's
not
going
to
identify
every
single
use
that
comes
about
so
planners.
Have
the
task
every
day
of
matching
them
up
to
the
most
closely
related
facility.
J
So,
in
this
case,
we
would
probably
be
required
to
permit
an
operation
like
this
no
different
than
any
other
data
center
I.E
like
Facebook,
Google
or
any
other
large
company.
That
has
the
need.
You
know
you
have
your
I,
don't
really
keep
up
with
social
media,
but
you
have
your
Instagrams
and
all
your
different
things
that
kids
use
every
day.
J
It's
important
to
note
that
we
have
not
received
any
active
applications
and
I
will
say
this.
Many
operations
look
for
in
other
jurisdictions,
thereafter,
plentiful,
inexpensive,
flat,
developable
land,
something
that
we
don't
have
a
lot
of.
So
that's
one
thing
to
keep
in
mind
your
options
now
are
one
to
do
nothing.
If,
if
an
application
came
in,
we
would
have
to
look
at
areas.
Commercial
zoned
areas
that
have
warehousing
and
storage
is
allowed
in
the
permitted
use
table.
J
I
will
also
say
that
they
that
operations
like
this,
just
because
of
the
way
they
operate.
They
also
need
a
lot
of
water
for
cooling
purposes.
You've
got
to
keep
these
things
cool
and
in
this
this
guide
I'm
not
going
to
go
into
great
detail,
but
it
explains
all
that
in
great
detail.
J
One
other
option
available
to
you
and
here's
something
that
that
is
very
interesting,
because
it
is
extraordinarily
Limited
in
scope.
You
do
have
the
opportunity,
because
I
cannot
make
you
a
guarantee
right
now
that
one
might
not
come
in
the
door
to
enact
a
one-year
moratorium.
This
is
allowed
by
State
Statute
through
160d.
It
is
very
narrow
in
scope,
but
could
be
utilized
here.
J
This
gives
staff
time
to
develop
recommendations
and
standards
and
bring
something
back
to
you.
We
work
with
the
planning
board,
we
could
say:
hey,
we
could
do
design
standards.
We
could
do
a
number
of
different
things,
because
there
are
some
things
you
want
to
maybe
want
to
mitigate
and
those
include
noise
specifically
and
that
that
means
you,
you
have
them
in
an
enclosed
building.
So
those
are
your
two
options
that
you
would
have
before
you
today.
J
This
is
the
process
that
we
would
follow
now
because
we
are
not
doing
a
text
Amendment
at
this
point.
This
is
an
item
that
would
come
to
you,
but
we
have
to
follow
this
process.
This
is
160
D,
it
says
you
have
to
hold
a
public
hearing
and
a
moratorium
is
essentially
a
stay.
It
gives
you
time
it
gives
you
time
for
staff
to
work
through
the
proper
channels,
and
you
do
have
to
include
the
following
four
required
statements
that
tells
you
to
identify
the
problem.
J
A
And
I
offer
is
a
question
or
I
guess
just
point
sure
is
If
This
Were,
something
we
were
to
entertain.
Is
there
a
way
I
guess
we'd
want
to
consider
narrowly
tailoring
this
to
specifically
address
crypto
as
opposed
to
disincentivizing
companies
like
Google
or
other
I,
won't
say
legitimate
or
illegitimate,
but
more
traditional
uses
of
this
type
of
operation.
Great.
F
J
You
would
actually
be
a
passing
a
moratorium
on
a
very
specific
thing:
that's
not
defined
in
the
use
table.
Okay
and
you're
allowed
to
do
that,
even
with
the
the
way
things
are
structured
now,
both
the
county,
attorney
and
I
have
discussed
this
at
length
and
there
have
been
other
instances
in
North
Carolina,
where
at
least
one
community
that
I'm
aware
of
has
passed
a
moratorium.
J
E
And
from
my
understanding,
right
is
the
proof
of
work
cryptocurrency
that
is
kind
of
this
really
energy,
intensive,
I
guess,
there's
different
types
of
this
cryptocurrency
mining
so
to
commissioner
Moore's
Point
like
really
being
able
to
kind
of
dig
into
that,
but
is
that
proof
of
work?
That
is
extremely
energy
intensive
as
well
as
it
produces
a
lot
of
e-waste
as
well,
because
I
think
those
those
little
servers
or
whatever
are
about
the
size
of
a
toaster,
oven,
oven
and
about
after
12
months
or
so
they're
having
to
replace
those?
E
So
you
do
end
up
with
a
pretty
significant
amount
of
E-Waste
from
it
as
well.
So
just
from
those
environmental
points,
those
are
a
couple
of
things
and
then
the
the
cooling
like
you
said
so
you're
either
got
the
noise.
If
it's
the
air
cooled
and
it's
outside
or
if
you're
dealing
with
the
water,
then
those
some
communities
where
this
has
been
happening.
It's
caused
issues
with
the
water
as.
J
Well-
and
you
can
recirculate
the
water
I
will
say,
interestingly
enough,
they
they
do
see
cooler
climates.
So
you
see
some
clusters
in
this
bulletin
as
well,
specifically
out
west
there's
a
large
cluster
of
mainly
more
data
center.
That's
up
in
the
Virginia
area,
which
has
a
technology
corridor,
but
one
one
thing
that's
interesting
is
there's
nothing
that
prevents
someone
at
home
from
being
a
minor.
It's
just.
They
can't
compete
with
the
scale
of
operation
of
these
large
commercial
operations
that
are
that
are
taking
place.
E
F
There's,
as
commissioner
Wells
reminded
me,
intensive
use
of
power,
so
there's
a
community
I
think
it's
Franklinton,
North
Carolina,
where
a
facility
was
was
built
or
proposed.
That's
deconstructing
tires
and
burning
the
component
parts
to
create
electricity
to
mine
crypto,
and
is
that
kind
of
like
unusual
power
generation,
land
use,
something
that's
that's
currently
allowed
in
our
zoning
ordinance,
whether
it's
related
to
crypto
or
whatever
I.
J
E
And
I
and
I
do
think.
Probably
one
of
the
areas
you
mentioned
earlier
with
the
cargo
is
at
Cherokee,
County
and
I
did
hear
from
some
of
the
folks
that
live
there
that
definitely
because
they
weren't
proactive,
they're
dealing
with
it.
On
this
end
now
and
there's
a
lot
of
frustration,
so
I
appreciate
you
looking
at
this
in
a
proactive
way.
The
but
I
think
it
was
during
the
holidays.
They
said
they
actually
had
some
rolling
blackouts,
no
I'm,
not
saying
whether
it's
directly
related
or
not,
they
felt
it
was.
D
Yeah
yeah,
so
it
sounds
like
there
is
there's
interest
in
considering
a
moratorium
on
this.
So
you
have
staff,
could
draft
up
something
for
us
specifically
to
look
at.
That
would
lay
out
the
the
required
basis
for
it
and
that'd
be
great,
and
when
would
we
be
able
to
Port
back?
Consider.
K
K
Be
that'd
be
the
foundation
of
the
findings
for
the
board
to
substantiate
all.
D
Right,
well,
that's
as
soon
as
we
can
do
it.
That
sounds
good.
If
it
comes
together
to
do
it
sooner,
then
we
can
start
the
process
sooner,
so
any
other
questions
or
thoughts
from
Fishers
all
right,
Nate
Michael.
Thank
you
for
bringing
this
up.
I
know
it's
been
a
topic.
People
have
been
interested
in
learning
more
about.
So
we
appreciate
the
presentations
and
process
info
all
right,
Commissioners,
that's
everything
we
had
on
our
briefing
meeting.
So
we'll
adjourn
this
meeting
and
re-convenient
at
five
o'clock
for
the
regular
meeting.