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Briefing of the Buncombe County Board of Commissioners on March 7, 2023. The briefing is a chance for Commissioners to review agenda items before the meeting. No motions will take place during the briefing.
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A
And
sell
they
can
land
on
on
the
market
at
three
a.m
in
the
morning,
take
their
crops
in
and
they
can
usually
sell
out
by
10
and
they're
back
to
their
Farms.
So
it's
a
great
opportunity,
we're
also
partnering
with
wnc
communities
on
a
grant
program
for
the
AG
option,
recipients
that
they
will
be
able
to
come
on
in
that
shed
for
free,
because
that's
going
to
be
a
grant
program
that
we're
helping
those
startup
farmers,
market
shop,
A
and
B
towards
the
front
of
the
property
is
retail.
A
A
If
you
look
at
this
entire
facility,
the
thing
if
I
can
just
have
you
kind
of
put
the
lens
on
think
of
this
as
like
a
Giant
grocery
store,
I
mean
this:
has
all
the
aspects
of
a
grocery
store
in
terms
of
having
produce
value-add
products
and
services,
a
restaurant,
a
nursery
there's
a
lot
of
things
there
that
tie
into
grocery
retail
I
know
I.
Take
that
look
on
it.
The
one
thing
about
grocery
retail
is
it's
well
signed.
A
When
you
go
into
a
grocery
store,
you
can
read
the
signs
and
go
around
when
I
came
on
the
market
in
June
of
2020
I
couldn't
find
my
way
around
the
market.
Neither
could
our
consumers,
so
we
invested
85
000
into
a
wayfinding
package
that
all
the
sheds
now
are
clearly
marked
with
a
number
and
an
ID
two
reasons,
one
that
we
can
help
consumers
shop
on
the
market
and
and
number
two
for
emergency
services.
A
We
had
an
incident
where
the
the
ambulance
stopped
the
Gatehouse
to
try
to
figure
out
where,
where
to
go
now
these
maps
are
provided
to
emergency
services.
So
if
there's
a
9-1-1
call
on
the
market,
they
know
exactly
where
to
go
and
we're
doing
everything
we
can
to
sustain
not
only
the
operation
of
the
business,
but
do
it
in
a
safe
way
and
and
take
care
of
our
guests
on
the
market.
A
Investment
in
terms
of
advertising
we've
been
on
edible
Asheville
print,
it's
our
primary
print,
medium
in
the
in
the
market
AVL.
Today,
digital
media,
we're
constantly
on
Facebook
and
Instagram,
highlighting
our
local
farmers
and
our
vendors
on
the
market.
We
also
are
tied
into
explore
Asheville
on
the
event
calendar.
We
have
four
primary
events
on
the
market.
Each
year
last
year,
I
ran
18
consecutive
weeks
of
radio
plus
we
had
the
holidays
on
AVL
radio
stations,
Kiss,
Country,
NPR
and
wncw.
Why
do
I
bring
that
up?
A
A
This
is
going
to
blow
you
away
last
year
was
the
first
time
that
we
tracked
Commodities
coming
on
the
market.
So
what
we
did
when
any
of
our
wholesale
trucks,
vendors
and
Farmers
came
on.
We
looked
at
their
bill
bill
of
lading.
We
recorded
what
they
were
bringing
on
the
market.
Even
if
it
was
a
small
farmer.
I've
got
25
bushels
of
corn,
so
we
would
track
that
information.
Last
year,
as
we
closed
out,
we
started
in
February
2022.
A
We
contend
we're
probably
the
largest
Christmas
tree
Market
in
the
Southeast,
but
here's
the
numbers
we
tracked
and
sold
through
12
885
Christmas
trees
during
the
two
weeks
in
November.
Going
into
December
on
an
average
cost
per
square
foot
of
15,
a
foot
average
height
6.5,
that's
1.2
million
dollars
in
Christmas
trees
that
went
through
the
market.
In
30
days,
vendors
reported
in
what
their
sales
were
on
Christmas
Reese
alone
was
fifty
six
thousand
dollars
in
Garland.
They
sold
10
888
dollars
when
we
have
an
event
like
going
back
into
the
April
time
frame.
A
Just
to
give
you
a
highlight
or
spring
festival,
we
had
8
484
Vehicles
enter
the
market.
We
had
21
000
guests
during
that
three-day
period,
so
you
can
start
to
see
the
magnitude
of
which
this
Market
generates.
Activity
can
generate
activity
and
support
not
only
within
Buncombe
County
but
in
Western
North
Carolina.
A
So
what
we
did
on
those
numbers
to
strip
those
out,
so
we
could
look
at
Just
Produce
value
because
that's
kind
of
tracking
with
just
the
farmers
our
market
share
across,
and
this
is
the
Asheville
MSA
Buncombe
County
Henderson
Haywood
Madison.
We
looked
at
all
the
households
what
they
spend
on
produce
for
the
total
in
this
region.
For
years,
182
million
dollars
on
produce
our
portion
of
that
just
in
produce
value.
That
came
on
the
market.
A
Wholesale
was
28
million,
seven
hundred
and
eighty
four
thousand,
so
we're
approximating
about
16
percent
market
share
for
produce
within
this
MSA
seems
like
a
lot.
But
what
it
really
represents
to
me
is
we
have
a
lot
of
growth
opportunity
to
get
more
farmers
and
more
AG
onto
the
wnc
Farmers
Market.
A
This
information
is
baselined
in
USDA,
Farm,
Service,
Agency
statistics
and
American
Farm
Bureau
Federation
statistics.
The
interesting
thing
is
and
talk
about
utilization
within
a
45-minute
drive
with
the
wnc
farmers
market.
There's
five
over
five
thousand
registered
FSA
Farms.
Now,
who
knows
what
the
history
is
on
that
that's
just
the
bottom
line
number
how
many
active
farms
in
there
we've
got
to
go
in
and
sort
that
data
out
and
get
that
information,
but
on
General
about
eight
percent
of
any
of
those
active
FSA
Farms
sell
on
Farmers,
Market,
tailgate
markets
and
roadside
stands.
A
So
that's
407
Farms,
just
within
driving
distance
of
the
farmers
market,
we're
servicing
95..
So
that
means
we
have
312
active
Farms
out
there,
particularly
in
Buncombe
County
and
surrounding
areas
that
we
could
be
supporting
a
more
effectively
capital
investment.
This
is
a
really
key
point:
we're
fast
approaching
50-year
anniversary
in
2027,
which
we
will
celebrate
year.
To
date,
we've
had
an
allocation
of
State
funds
of
3.5
million
we've
completed
2.3
million
in
projects
on
the
market,
and
we
have
another
1.2
million
of
identified
Works
in
progress.
A
We
want
to
clean
up
our
waste
stream,
there's
a
lot
of
other
things
that
we
want
to
do
to
drive
that
more
Environmental
Compliance
a
request
for
funding
in
2324.
We
know
we're
going
into
the
biennial
budget
process
where
the
state
legislature
back
to
those
wholesale
buildings.
We've
asked
for
13
million
dollars
in
renovations.
That
is
really
important
for
us,
Buncombe,
County
and
Western
North
Carolina.
A
If
we
can
get
those
wholesale
buildings
converted
to
cold
chain,
then
that
means
that
we
can
be
a
stronger,
more
consistent
supplier
or
produce
in
the
area
for
our
school
schools,
institutions
and
restaurants.
Right
now,
there's
a
lot
of
those
businesses
that
have
to
opt
out,
because
we
don't
have
the
cold
chain
for
those
businesses
and
they
require
that,
and
so
that's
an
opportunity
that
we
can
grow
the
market
and
support
our
community
even
better.
A
A
So
how
do
we
tie
in
I
took
this
right
off
of
your
20-year
plan
preserve
Buncombe,
County's
working
farms
and
forests,
the
wnc
farmers
market?
This
is
the
rural
kind
of
message.
I
want
to
deliver.
We
have
an
opportunity
to
partner
with
you
guys,
a
strategic
partnership
in
supporting
Mutual
goals,
to
promote
working,
Farms,
sustainable
land
and
really
preserve
that,
and
we
can
have
easements.
A
We
can
have
tax
credits
and
all
that
kind
of
stuff,
but
if
Farmers
aren't
profitable,
it
really
won't
matter
so
much
so
we
have
an
opportunity
to
bring
Farmers
on
the
market
and
make
better
margin.
We
just
finished
up
a
conference
with
the
North
Carolina
tomato
growers,
association,
NC,
State,
came
in
and
did
a
budget
analysis
of
2023
forecast
on
input
costs
for
tomato
Growers.
Their
costs
are
going
up
31
this
year.
A
A
That's
gonna
be
tough
right,
but
they
could
come
onto
the
farmer's
market
and
sell
to
suppliers
at
a
better
margin
and
be
more
profitable.
So
that's
the
kind
of
calculus
we're
trying
to
show
and
demonstrate
to
Farmers
that
they
can
come
on
the
market.
I
can't
deliver
their
buyers
to
them,
but
if
they
communicate
that
they're
on
the
market,
I
think
they'll
do
much
better
than
necessarily
taking
it
to
a
packing
house.
But
that
said
the
last
point
on
that
is
optimize
data
to
prior
to
prioritize
policies
and
programs.
A
There
is
nothing
more
key,
I
think
than
that
point
right
there
and
that's
what
I've
tried
to
show
you
today
briefly
we're
now
tracking
data
and
getting
information
off
the
market
off
the
economic
impact
and
for
our
farmers
and
that's
the
data
that
we
need
to
really
drive.
You
know
successful
programs
and
supporting
the
farm
community
and
farmers
in
general.
A
We
don't
have
all
that
information
right
now,
but
we're
working
on
honing
it
and
getting
it
into
Focus,
so
that
we
and
I
hope
that
we
can
collaborate
with
the
Buncombe
County
Commissioner
to
kind
of
find
fine
fine
tune
that
work,
but
never.
Nevertheless,
we
are
a
strategic
partner.
I
mean
there's
no
better
place
for
you
guys
to
have
a
narrative
if
you
know
for
Farmers
to
sell
on
the
wnc
farmers
market
so
that
they
can
be
more
profitable
and
successful.
A
The
last
Point
here
is:
we
can
be
a
key
enabler
within
Western
North,
Carolina
Ag
ecosystem
to
assist
working
Farms
to
operate
profitably
and
we
will-
and
we
want
to
be-
that
Regional
epicenter
for
AG
products.
That's
the
reputation,
that's
the
vision
that
I
have
and
my
team
has
that
when
anything
comes
up,
they
want
to
take
it
to
the
WMC
Farmers
Market
last
slide.
A
One
of
the
project,
a
key
partner
that
we've
worked
with,
is
the
wnc
Nature
Center.
You
guys
may
have
solved
and
used
coverage
on
that
condition,
what
a
cool
program
to
partner
with
the
Nature
Center
and
we
have
an
educational
environment
for
both.
This
kiosk
talks
about
all
types
of
things
in
terms
of
farming
jobs
in
agriculture,
how
the
foods
used
for
animals
on
the
market.
We
have
a
map
of
the
farmer's
market.
A
The
mic,
the
wnc
Nature
Center-
these
are
all
the
partners
that
worked
with
us:
the
Nature
Center
API
posters,
mountain
growers,
the
farmers
market,
ncda
and
Jesse
Israel
I'm,
going
to
sign
company
as
well.
So
it
was
a
real
collaborative
effort
there
to
do
that.
We
handed
out
I
handed
out
just
a
poster.
I
mean
an
award
real
quick.
What
happened
to
my
slide
there?
It
is
creating
the
best
in
agriculture,
I
mean
that's
our
that's
our
tagline
and
we
delivered
it.
Last
year
we
won
best
place
to
buy
a
produce
in
Nashville.
A
A
The
surveys
run
by
Saga
Communications,
which
owns
the
Asheville
radio
group.
It's
an
annual
survey.
It's
a
third
party
vendor
that
does
the
research
2300
companies
in
Western,
North
Carolina
were
nominated
across
236
categories
in
2022.
It
was
the
first
time
that
farmers
markets
were
considered
in
the
survey
process.
There
were
42
528
participants,
constituents
across
Buncombe
County
and
the
Asheville
MSA
that
participated
in
the
survey.
A
The
farmers
market
category
receives
6759
votes,
everyone
so
called
so
we're
working
hard
to
deliver
on
our
tagline
curating
the
best
in
agriculture
and
as
our
mission
statement
supporting
the
Region's
farmers
and
food
producers
who
deliver
the
highest
quality
products
to
our
community.
So
that's
the
snapshot
of
the
wnc
Farmers
Market,
any
questions
or
thoughts
or.
D
E
D
Say,
thank
you
so
much
Phil
I
appreciate
your
enthusiasm
and
your
vision,
which
is
wonderful
that
you
really
just
jumped
in
there
and
I,
see
lots
of
wonderful
improvements.
I've
been
hearing
good
things.
I
am
very
glad
of
the
Partnerships
that
you're
doing
with
the
Nature
Center
and
others
I,
really
like
that
collaborative
spirit
that
you
have
and
I'm
glad.
A
I
hope
I
get
the
money
we'll
be
pushing
for
it,
so
you
guys
can
help
too.
If
somebody
comes
up
at
a
yeah
dinner
hour
or
cocktails,
you'll
say
Hey.
You
know
that
farmers
market
needs
some
Capital
so
well.
Thank
you
so
much
it's
a
privilege
to
be
here.
I'm,
I,
guess,
I,
hope,
you're,
proud
of
your
wnc,
Farmers
Market,
come
see
us
Spring,
Festival
and
we'll
show
you
around
okay.
Thank
you,
sir.
F
E
Mr,
chairman
Commissioners,
this
is
an
interesting
change
of
pace.
This
has
to
do
with
the
private
rail
Crossing
of
Norfolk
Southern
near
Exit,
55
down
in
Swannanoa
number
951131d
I
understand
from
their
Attorneys
at
Van,
Winkle
that
this
has
been
a
quiet,
rail
Crossing
for
years
and
years
and
years
as
far
back
as
anyone
can
remember,
meaning
that
the
trains
will
come
through
and
they
don't
have
to
blow
their
whistle.
E
And
he's
working
on
that
so
MSD
as
you,
as
you
may
know,
have
been
working
very
hard
for
the
last
several
years
to
redo
retrofit
and
replace
a
bunch
of
the
MSD
sewer
lines
up
the
Swannanoa
Valley.
So
the
hotels,
as
you
saw
in
the
previous
image,
are
scattered
around
here.
Four
hotels
are
represented
by
Van
Winkle.
That
dot
is
the
private
rail
crossing
right
now,
there's
just
a
locked
gate,
and
so
that's
for
Access
for
MSD
into
the
area
where
they
can
do
any
maintenance
that
might
be
needed.
E
So
this
Crossing
was
redone
by
MSD
per
agreement
with
Norfolk
Southern
a
few
years
ago.
So
since
then,
it
has
been
making,
it
has
been
allowed
rail
Crossing.
So
the
request
would
be
if
you
want
this
on
consent
or
regular
agenda
in
a
couple
weeks.
If
you
want
to
make
that
request
of
Norfolk
Southern
it'd
be
my
suggestion
that
you
not
commit
any
funds
to
it,
because
it
could
be
very
expensive
if
they
put
in
a
bunch
of
of
apparatus,
but
that
that
should
not
be
necessary.
E
I
really
don't
know:
okay
I
just
suggest
that
in
the
resolution
you're
not
commit
to
any
funding.
I
know
that
in
some
municipalities
and
local
governments
they
purposefully
request
quiet
zones
for
residential
districts
and
they
end
up
paying
several
hundred
thousand
dollars
to
put
in
lights
and
arms.
But
this
is
a
private
crossing
right
now,
there's
just
a
locked
gate
and
it's
a
very
simple
bump,
bump
bump
and
you're
in
there
to
do
your
emergency
work
for
MSD
and
then
get
out
so
it
shouldn't.
E
Norfolk
Southern
is
going
to
work
very
hard.
I
know
to
make
sure
that
any
Crossing
they
have
is
going
to
remain
safe,
I
think
maybe
this
private
Crossing
had
fallen
off
their
radar.
I,
don't
know
for
sure
I
couldn't
get
to
the
people
that
could
reply
to
that
in
Norfolk
Southern,
but
the
people
I
did
speak
with
said
once
we
knew
MSD
was
using
it.
We
had
to
start
blowing
our
horn
to
come
through
whether
or
not
they
it's
marked
or
not.
But
again
it
wasn't
a
marked
flashing
gate.
E
E
G
E
E
F
The
only
place
I
remember
when
I
was
on
city
council
a
long
time
ago.
I
think
it
was
discussion
about
making
the
river
Arts
District
a
quiet
Zone
with
all
the
rail
activity
down
there
and
you
sort
of
Redevelopment
efforts.
I,
don't
think
it
ever
was
designated
as
one
though
as
far
as
I
know,
but
there
was
discussion
about
it.
So
so,
if
there
are
costs
to
implement
this,
for
whatever
reason.
F
The
hotels
are
asking
to
do
this;
they
would
be
the
main
beneficiaries
of
it.
I
mean
is:
is
it
the
working
assumption
that
they
would
invest
to
do
it
or
I
mean
I,
don't
see
any
downside
as
long
as
there's,
not
a
financial
cost
for
us
to
do
it?
The
hotels
I
think
are
saying
like
we
would
really
benefit
from
this.
Is
it?
Is
it
the
assumption
that
they
might
contribute
to
it
or.
E
I
had
that
discussion
with
their
attorney
at
Van,
Winkle
and
said
hey
from
my
reading.
This
could
cost
several
hundred
thousand
dollars,
and
just
so
you
know
I'm
not
going
to
recommend
that
the
county
promised
to
spend
any
money
for
this
quiet
Crossing.
So
if
there's
any
cost,
it'd
be
the
hoteliers
to
bear
and
he
he
was
under
the
impression.
F
I,
just
don't
want
to
have
any
false
expectations.
Set
up,
I
mean
right,
they're,
the
ones
that
would
benefit
from
it.
So
if
there
is
maybe-
and
maybe
there
will
be
no
cost-
in
which
case
it's
just
no
problem,
but
if
there
is
then
I
think
they
would
need
to
be
the
ones
to
finance
the
improvements.
I'll
be
sure
to
make
that
clear.
E
D
So
my
recommendation
would
be
not
to
put
it
on
the
consent
agenda
just
so
that
if
we
have
some
more
time
to
also
think
about
it,
I
think
that
would
be
preferable
to
me
and
then
that
way
we
can
make
sure,
because
I
just
want
to
make
sure
there's
no
cost
to
us,
nor
any
kind
of
legal
implications.
So
I
I'd
just
like
to
have
a
little
bit
more
time,
ensure
that
piece
of
it,
okay
and.
I
I
I've
owned
the
Comfort
Inn
on
exit
55
I've
owned
it
for
22
years.
So
just
to
give
you
a
timeline.
2019
MSD
was
doing
the
King
Creek
sewer
project,
which
they're
boring
under
a
railroad
boring
under
I-40.
To
do
that
sewer
line
so
on
this
Crossing
is
right
behind
our
hotel.
So
there
used
to
be
a
campground
on
the
other
side
of
the
railroad
track,
which
is
the
only
parcel
you
can
access.
So
the
campground
is
the
only
parcel
in
between
I-40
and
the
railroad,
so
that
parcel
is
actually
owned
by
my
company.
I
I
So
in
2019
they
started
blowing
the
horn
at
night
and
obviously
guests
don't
like
to
be
waking
up
by
a
horn.
So
we
tried
to
call
it
Norfolk
Southern,
we've
we've
tried
to
we've,
we've
actually
contacted
people
at
Norfolk,
Southern
we've
contacted
Public,
Safety
and
they're.
The
only
answer
I
get
is
if
it's
a
private
Crossing
they're
not
supposed
to
blow
the
horn,
but
I
mean
they're
they're
their
own
governing
agency.
There's
it's
tough
to
get
anybody
to
change
anything
there.
I
But
obviously,
if
you
have
a,
if
you
have
cars
passing
through
a
Crossing,
there
has
to
be,
a
lot
of
apparatus
has
to
be
installed
and
even
if
they
tell
us
to
put
a
moving
gate
up,
the
hotels
would
per
would
pay
for
that.
We're
just
asking
for
for
guidance
to
get
through
to
the
Norfolk
Southern
and
tell
them
this
is
a
private
Crossing.
I
F
None
of
the
hoteliers
are
expecting
the
the
county
to
financially
invest
in
it,
but
just
to
write
the
letter
to
bring
the
issue
to
their
attention,
to
hopefully
focus
on
it,
and
if
there
is
a
cost
which
there
may
not
be,
but
if
there
is,
then
the
hotels
will
be
prepared
to
help
exactly
take
care
of
it
exactly
okay,
great
thank
you.
Thank
you.
F
F
J
Good
afternoon
Commissioners
good
afternoon,
quick
update
for
you
today
on
the
McCormick
field.
Project
I
just
wanted
to
also
recognize
a
few
folks
in
the
audience
with
us
today
that
you
probably
recognize
we've
got
reps
from
the
city
of
Asheville,
the
Asheville
tourist
team
and,
of
course,
the
TDA,
but
let's
go
and
get
started.
I've
got
a
few
slides.
Much
of
the
content
we'll
see
today,
I
shouldn't
be
new
to
you.
J
Additionally,
since
then
city
council
has
reviewed
in
depth
during
a
work
session
on
February
14th,
and
during
that
work
session,
City
staff
presented.
You
know
a
lot
of
history
about
the
tours,
how
long
they've
been
in
our
community
the
impact
in
our
community,
but
also
Financial
scenarios
and
a
vision
for
the
future
of
this
facility
in
our
community.
J
Those
financial
scenarios
are
summarized
with
these
two
bullets,
but
I've
got
additional
slides
where
we
can
see
the
numbers
in
more
detail,
but
essentially
there
are
two
ideas
that
have
been
proposed
to
proceed
in
terms
of
financial
scenarios
and
in
terms
of
a
project.
The
first
is
the
quote:
unquote
full
project,
which
is
about
37.5
million
dollars
in
cost
when
that
is
financed
over
time,
has
a
total
value
of
about
56.1
million
dollars
with
interest.
J
J
What
I'd
add
to
this,
though
you
know
conversations,
are
continuing
many
conversations
between
the
city,
the
team,
the
tourists,
the
TDA
and
and
our
staff,
but
as
we
proceed
into
the
scenarios,
one
thing
to
be
aware
of
there's
no
additional
Revenue,
that's
been
added
into
these
scenarios
that
would
be
represented,
representative
of
potential
state
grants,
which
we've
heard
some
discussion
about
or
event
Revenue.
That
may
be
generated
from
additional
events
that
are
hosted
at
a
potentially
renovated
stadium.
J
So
just
wanted
you
to
be
aware
that
those
variables
are
not
included
in
terms
of
the
project
costs.
I've
got
a
snippet
here,
and
so
this
is
a
direct
screenshot
out
of
the
the
city
council
presentation,
but
just
wanted
you
to
get
a
sense
of
what's
the
scope
of
each
project
and
so
on
the
left.
We
have
the
full
project
which
comes
to
about
37.5
million
in
the
yellow
box
at
the
bottom
and
then
on
the
right.
J
We
have
the
minimum
project
and
so
I'll
just
walk
you
through
at
a
high
level,
not
meaning
to
get
into
the
Weeds
on
this,
but
the
Major
League
Baseball
mandates.
So
these
are
the
items
that
MLB
baseball
has
said
have
to
get
done
for
a
facility
to
host
minor
league
events
that
cost
us
about
19.6
million
dollars,
and
that
does
not
factor
in
any
interest.
That's
just
the
cost
to
do
the
work
based
on
estimates
as
of
today.
J
Next
up,
we
have
facility
operational
minimum
needs,
so
think
about
this,
as
like
the
maintenance
on
any
facility
that
a
local
government
would
own,
and
so
here
we
have
about
5.6
million
dollars.
Those
numbers
are
constant
across
the
full
project
and
the
minimum
project
where
we
start
to
see
some
variation
between
the
two
projects
is
when
we
look
at
the
strongly
recommended
Pro
Sports
and
the
fan
amenities
buckets.
So
these
are
your
third
and
fourth
rows
respectively.
J
When
we
look
at
the
full
project,
strongly
recommended
items
include
video
displays,
improved,
Ingress
and
egress,
and
so
you
know
how
do
you
get
in
and
out
of
the
facility
we're
looking
at
Suites
as
well
as
picnic
areas
in
the
full
project?
That's
about
seven
million
dollars
in
the
minimum
project,
we're
looking
at
removing
a
lot
of
that,
but
talking
specifically
about
picnic
areas
that
could
host
events
that
can
make
this
more
of
a
Community
Asset
where
people
can
come
and
spend
time
when
they're,
not
at
a
ball
game.
J
The
difference
there
you
can
see.
We
go
from
7
million
to
about
1.5
million
dollars
in
terms
of
fan
amenities.
The
the
full
project
features
interactive
displays,
as
well
as
a
wrap
around
Concourse
at
5.25
million
and
then
in
the
minimum
project
focusing
more
on
the
interactive
display,
which
is
about
2.5.
J
You
know
these
assets,
you
know
when
you
put
them
together
in
the
minimum
or
the
full
project.
The
goal
of
I
believe
City
staff
and
the
team
is
to
create
a
Community
Asset
where
people
can
come
for
other
things
in
baseball.
Additionally,
it's
to
create
additional
Revenue
opportunities
to
offset
the
costs
of
maintaining
this
facility
and
these
specific
projects.
J
J
J
F
J
I
think
there's
probably
some
error
to
that.
I
think
the
the
question
would
be
if
you've
got
structural
concerns
with
the
facility
are.
Are
we
comfortable
not
addressing
those
over
time?
I
think
your
points
valid
that
if
the
facility
is
going
to
be
empty
or
highly
underutilized,
then
you
would
spend
less
there,
but
there
is
a
deferred
maintenance
cost
that
must
be
addressed
there.
F
Right
I
mean
I,
guess
just
again,
this
isn't
the
scenario
that
we're
focused
on,
but
if
there
weren't
a
baseball
team
there,
this
is
huge
air
of
downtown
Nashville
right
I
would
think
it
would
be
redeveloped
for
some
alternative
purpose
rather
than
keeping
an
empty
baseball
field
there,
but
I'm
just
again.
This
is
a
hypothetical
that
I,
don't
think
we're
focused
on,
but
I.
J
Think
that's
valid
without
baseball,
I
think
there's
a
different
conversation,
but
I
I
haven't
we
haven't
sort
of
pursued
that
conversation
and
so
I
have
nothing
to
offer
there
in
terms
of
the
full
project.
The
key
here
is
you
get
additional
flexibility
for
different
types
of
community
events,
and
so,
instead
of
a
facility,
that's
only
utilized,
for
you
know:
60
plus
games
a
year,
you're
thinking
about
a
facility,
that's
used
365
days
a
year
for
a
variety
of
events.
J
We
list
examples
here:
Winter
Wonderland
in
the
winter,
you
know
with
things
like
ice
skating,
rinks
or
other
events
walking
areas
around
the
facility,
so
not
quite
Greenways,
but
places
where
people
can
come.
Do
laps
things
of
that
nature.
Also
the
potential
for
additional
concerts,
music
opportunities
at
the
field.
Many
of
these
opportunities
currently
aren't
available
just
for
the
way
the
the
facility
is
structured,
it's
not
when
it's
winterized
currently
so
there's
some
changes
that
would
occur
there
to
enable
these
types
of
events.
J
Additionally,
it
would
be
remiss
if
I
didn't
say
you
know
the
minimum
project
versus
the
full
project.
It
takes
some
Revenue
generation
opportunities
off
the
table
that
benefit
both
the
city
and
the
team,
as
they
are
hosting
events
that
could
potentially
create
Revenue
like
concerts
or
winter
wonderlands
or
whatever
it
is
that
could
help
offset
the
debt
and
ultimately,
the
cost
of
this
facility,
so
spending
less
potentially
means
that
you'll
be
able
to
generate
less
money
in
the
long
term.
J
In
terms
of
the
details
of
these
two
plans,
this
first
slide
is
the
full
project.
This
again
was
presented
at
the
the
city,
council,
Retreat
or
excuse
me
work
session,
a
couple
items
I'm
just
going
to
go
quickly
through
this.
You
can
see
the
The
City
Is
At
right
under
a
million
dollars.
The
team
is
at
an
average
of
468
thousand
dollars
over
a
20-year
period.
A
key
to
note
here
is
that's
an
average,
and
so
some
years
are
going
to
be
higher
than
others.
J
In
particular,
you
can
see
that
you
know
there's
in
the
early
years
the
inputs
may
be
lower
than
those
in
the
out
years,
as
you're
able
to
build
up
events
and
other
Revenue
opportunities
you
can
see.
The
county
is
flat
here
at
5
million
over
20
years,
that's
250
000
a
year.
The
TDA
comes
in
at
about
1.4,
and
then
we
assume
no
upfront
TDA
costs.
The
project
is
a
35
million
dollar
project,
with
interest
about
56
over
time.
J
J
When
you
take
those
numbers
forward,
you
know
you're
looking
at
a
27
million
dollar
project
that
turns
into
43
million
dollars
with
interest.
So
those
are
the
two
scenarios
that
are
kind
of
on
the
table.
Right
now
that
City
staff
and
others
have
pulled
together.
I
wanted
to
share
those
with
you.
They
were
presented
at
the
February
14th
city
council
work
session.
A
J
Gears
out
of
the
financial
scenarios
I
wanted
to
address
some
questions
that
I've
heard
from
this
board,
but
also
here
just
you
know,
walking
around
town
talking
to
people
the
real
questions
as
they
say.
So
how
do
we
know
the
team
is
going
to
stay
like
this?
Is
the
number
one
question
if
we're
going
to
spend
all
this
money,
like
it
better,
be
for
good
purpose?
There's
a
few
things
we
want
to
say
here.
J
First
off
the
team,
the
Taurus
are
prepared
to
sign
a
20-plus
year
lease
and
that
lease
will
require
them
to
provide
baseball
at
the
facility
for
the
term
of
that
lease.
If
they
break
the
lease
we
know
what
that
looks
like
in
terms
of
you
know.
Legal
action
would
be
pursued,
I'm,
not
saying
that's
going
to
happen,
but
it's
a
contract,
and
so
we
know
that.
F
You
know
just
think
it's
a
relevant
part
of
the
conversation
right
I
understand.
We
could
have
a
legally
enforceable
lease,
but
if
it's
not
with
the
creditworthy
business
partner,
then
the
ability
to
actually
collect
would
be
you
know
would
be
in
question
right,
yeah,
absolutely
right,
you're
right.
F
K
J
Good
deal
so
we'll
capture
that
information
I
think
that's
a
valid
question.
We'll
certainly
follow
up
on
it.
Next
up
so
assurances
in
terms
of
how
the
team
will
stay.
The
Houston
Astros
have
an
agreement
with
Major
League
Baseball
that
extends
through
2030..
This
is
a
standard
agreement
with
all
of
the
minor
league
baseball
teams.
It
says
that
those
franchises
will
exist
through
2030.
Beyond
2030.
J
We
have
no
assurances
just
to
be
very
clear:
we've
had
discussions
with
baseball,
they
say
they
like
this
Market,
but
we
have
no
certainty
beyond
that,
just
to
be
clear
with
Major
League
Baseball.
So
you
know
the
not
the
franchise
itself
but
MLB
of
the
league.
It's
the
same
kind
of
agreement
so
that
minor
league
agreement
Major
League
Baseball
agreement
through
2030..
So
those
are
our
assurances
that
we
have
in
in
the
current
market.
J
And
so
what
we
had
a
discussion
with
Major
League
Baseball
on
this,
and
what
we
learned
is
that
any
sale
or
relocation
of
a
team
has
to
be
approved
by
Major,
League,
Baseball
and
so
Major
League
Baseball
decisions,
you
know,
are
based
on
facility
standards,
but
also
Target
markets.
I.
Think
the
key
to
understand
here
is
that
the
tourists
themselves,
the
Astros
themselves,
can't
unilaterally
make
a
decision
to
leave
our
community
without
the
approval
of
Major
League
Baseball.
The
league
Major
League
Baseball,
has
their
reasons
for
being
in
certain
markets.
J
They're
not
going
to
give
us
a
guarantee
on
something
of
that
nature,
but
we
do
know
that
it's
not
a
unilateral
decision
left
to
the
owners
of
the
tourists
additionally
mob
recommends
including
some
type
of
no
relocation
clause
in
the
lease
agreement
between
the
team
and
the
city,
and
so
that's
something
they
suggested
we
do.
Ryan
was
on
the
call
with
Chris
and
when
that
was
brought
up,
so
the
next
big
question
that
comes
up
is:
how
can
this
facility
be
used
as
a
bigger
asset,
something
bigger
than
baseball?
J
And
you
know,
we've
talked
a
little
bit
about
potential
examples.
Already.
We've
got
some
screenshots
that
have
been
presented
by
the
city
staff,
but
potential
ideas
include
concerts.
You
know
the
winter
wonderland
that
we
described
ice
skating,
additional
baseball
clinics,
high
school
games
and
more
some
of
these
things
currently
already
happen.
You
know
there
are
certain
clinics
and
high
school
games.
Things
like
that
already
happening,
I
think
it's
about
increasing,
but
also
viewing
the
asset
as
a
year-long
asset,
as
opposed
to
a
baseball
asset.
J
Those
are
just
a
few
of
the
questions
that
have
frequently
come
up.
We've
got
some
other
questions
in
the
appendix
about.
You
know
the
attendance
of
the
stadium
financial
responsibilities
of
the
different
players
and
things
like
that,
but
those
are
the
ones
that
I
wanted
to
touch
on
with
y'all,
but
glad
to
take
any
additional
questions.
If
you
have
them.
L
J
J
J
K
It's
a
defined
payment,
yeah
I
can
tell
you
you
go
look
at
that
lease.
We'll
tell
you
exactly
what
what
you're
paying
each
year.
It
is
the
fine
payment
laid
out
in
the
length
of
the
lease
averaging,
the
468
that
Tim
mentioned,
and
the
lease
payment
is
the
contribution
for
the
construction
too.
So
the
lease
payment
is
applied
towards
the
debts,
but
it's
it's
not
contingent
on
attendance
or
Revenue.
That
is
a
set
lease
payments.
C
J
And
Brian,
since
you're
kind
of
with
us
anyway,
why
don't
you
hang
out
for
a
minute
and
Brian
and
I
haven't
really
coordinated
on
these
specific
questions,
but
I
think
one
of
the
questions
was:
is
your
sole
contribution?
This
468
as
an
example?
Is
that
considered
your
lease
payment?
Are
there
additional
contributions
for
Capital
things.
K
The
468
is
our
lease
payment,
which
goes
towards
the
construction
there's
also
some
additional
Clauses
in
the
lease,
such
as,
if
we
don't
bring
in
x
amount
of
fans
for
outside
non-baseball
guests,
there's
a
penalty
for
that.
We
pay
50
Cent
per
fan
after
a
certain
amount
fee.
We
also
contribute
about
1.5
million
into
capital
x
projects
through
the
throughout
the
lease
it's
a
rollover,
but
the
468
is
the
main
lease
payment.
Yes,.
F
K
This
the
city
is
going
to
be
able
to
put
on
concerts
and
our
off-season
really
September
October,
and
in
that
case
they
will
be
the
promoter
and
they
will
bring
all
the
revenue.
There
will
be
a
food
and
beverage
share
with
the
team,
since
it
will
be
our
food
and
beverage
operation
so
but
they're
keeping
all
the
ticket
revenue
and
obviously
they're
paying
any
costs
that
go
with
it
too,
but
they're.
The
main
benefit
benefactor
of
a
concert
of.
F
K
H
K
There
is
there's
a
set
amount
in
the
lease
negotiations
of
how
much
will
be
spent
each
year
in
maintenance.
There
is
also
proposed
additional
in
year,
7
and
14
I
believe
without
looking
at
it,
where
additional
Renovations
would
occur,
kind
of
major
renovation,
so
in
22
years
we're
not
in
the
same
place,
you're
seven
you're
14.
We
do
some
upgrades
again.
K
As
of
right
now,
it
is
the
city,
that's
responsible
for
them,
and
we
don't
have
any
upgrades
picked
out.
We
just
kind
of
penciled
in
thinking,
you're,
seven
you're
15,
we'll
probably
need
to
do
some
things
so
they're
responsible
for
those.
We
are
responsible
for
kind
of
putting
x
amount
into
a
capital
fund
each
year,
which
then
we
either
spend
or
we
roll
over
and
in
case
we
want
to
do
bigger
projects.
K
K
H
K
Basically,
whoever
whoever
is
going
to
gain
from
that
event
would
be
also
responsible
for
an
expense.
So
if
you're
going
to
benefit,
then
obviously
you're
taking
the
Financial
Risk
is
the
way
I
look
at
it.
As
far
as
the
daily
maintenance,
the
ballpark
the
example
I
always
use,
is
if
the
toilet's
clogged
our
staff,
goes
and
clogs,
or
goes
and
plunges
it.
If
the
toilet
falls
off
the
wall,
then
we
call
the
city.
So
that's
kind
of
the
relationship
about
the
daily
maintenance
of
the
ballpark.
L
K
L
F
So
in
terms
of
the
city
being
on
board,
so
the
obviously
there's
all
these
discussions
going
on
with
the
city
they're,
the
owner
of
the
facility,
but
the
city
council
itself
actually
hasn't
voted
yet
so
there's
all
these
discussions
going
on,
but
they
haven't
formally
made
decisions
on
these.
Yet
this
is
kind
of
the
plan.
That's
in
front
of
them
right
now,
right,
correct.
F
F
All
right,
I
mean
so
part
of
the
question
would
be
if
we
so
we're
having
a
briefing
meeting.
Obviously
we
don't
vote
on
issues
at
our
briefing
meeting,
but
we
could
have
this
on
our
agenda
at
our
next
meeting
right.
So
if
the
city
council
votes
at
their
next
meeting,
then
that
will
that
step
will
have
already
been
taken
in
a
formal
way.
If
it's
at
their
next
meeting,
then
we
might
actually
vote.
F
You
know
prior
to
the
city
voting
which
I
would
say
if
it
turns
out
that
way,
I
mean
I'm
I'm,
fine
with
it
either
way.
I
think
it
could
be
helpful
for
the
I
mean
there's
multiple
players
involved
in
the
process,
so
as
the
owner
of
the
city's
in
some
ways
kind
of
the
lead
public
agency
on
this.
But
if
we
needed
to
I,
guess
I'm
saying
I'd
be
happy
for
us
to
go
ahead
and
make
decisions
at
our
next
meeting
is
where.
F
And
the
counties,
the
County's
commitment,
so
the
city
would
be
issuing
the
debt
on
the
project
and
then
they
would
be
using
the
various
revenue
streams
from
the
lease
payments
to.
So
what
would
be
the?
What
would
be
the
legal
mechanism
that
we
would
enter
into
with
the
city
in
order
to
pledge?
You
know
a
financial
commitment
over
time
towards
the
project?
What
would
that
actually
be.
F
J
Correct
and
the
you
know
the
TDA
will
have
their
cycle.
I've
got
some
dates
here,
where
you
can
see
at
the
bottom,
the
TDA
so
tentatively,
a
presentation
to
TDA
in
April
and
then
following
their
typical
product
development
cycle,
but
with
a
A
Defined
agreement
with
contributions
in
it
matching
those
that
we
saw
today.
F
C
F
J
F
What
other
question
I
have
the
increase
in
the
the
increase
in
the
Major
League
Baseball
requirements
in
terms
of
the
Investments
required
to
meet
the
major
league
requirements
so
that
that
increased
from
13
million
estimated
last
year
to
I
think
19
over
a
little
over
19
million
today?
Did
the
requirements
change
or
does
that?
Is
that
a
reflection
of
you
know?
Things
are
more
expensive
to
build
now
that's
affecting
a
lot
of
different
kinds
of
capital
projects
or
what's
the
reason
for
the
difference.
K
Yeah
those
prices,
the
original
13
was,
you
know,
projecting
2021
at
this
point.
We're
projecting
to
not
do
this
construction
until
after
the
2024
season,
so
it's
inflation
projection
of
cost.
Some
of
the
stuff
was
kind
of
tied
together
too
much.
So
if
you
didn't
do
one
thing:
what
actually
added
to
the
cost
of
the
Major
League
Baseball
side?