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From YouTube: Board of Commissioners' Regular Meeting (Feb. 4, 2020)
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Regular Meeting of the Buncombe County Board of Commissioners' from Feb. 4, 2020.
A
A
Thank
you
all
for
being
with
us
this
evening
before
we
begin
our
meeting
this
evening,
I'd
like
to
acknowledge
that
our
Commission
is
without
one
of
our
fellow
commissioners,
our
brother
Mike
fryer
this
evening,
a
person
who
served
this
county
well
for
many
decades,
and
this
has
been
a
sad
week
for
all
of
us
at
Buncombe
County
after
Mike's
passing
this
weekend.
We
have
a
short
video
that
we
would
like
to
share
about
Commissioner
Mike
fryer.
B
A
A
We
certainly
didn't
agree
on
on
every
issue,
but
I
always
knew
that
when
we
left
these
chambers
Mike
would
be
my
friend
and
I
never
doubted
how
much
he
fought
for
the
things
he
believed
in
and
if
it,
whether
you
agreed
with
them
or
not,
he
knew
that
you
could
trust
what
he
was
saying
because
he
believed
in
him
and
and
all
the
time
I've
worked
in
local
government
I.
Don't
think
I've
known
anyone
who
sincerely
cared
about
people,
especially
people
who
really
struggle
in
the
community.
A
Those
were
the
people
Mike
wanted
to
represent,
and
he
did
a
great
job
doing
that
so
we're
gonna
miss
him
he's
one
of
a
kind
he
can't
be
replaced,
and
so
anyway,
I
wanted
to
ask.
If
any
other
commissioners
would
like
to
say
anything
about
our
friend
Mike
fiers
is
not
with
us
this
evening.
Before
we
start
our
official
meeting.
C
It's
really
sad
honestly
to
be
up
here
and
I.
Think
Mike
spoke
from
the
heart.
A
lot
so
I'm
gonna,
try
to
be
brave,
like
Mike,
was
about
that
from
the
time
I
arrived.
He
I
think
as
he's
done
with
so
many
others.
He
welcomed
me
to
Commission.
He
helped
me
get
oriented,
there's
a
lot
to
learn
that
you
don't
know
about
when
you're
campaigning
and.
C
One
thing
that
I
always
admire
a
lot
about
Mike
was
that
he
was
never
afraid
to
be
a
single
voice
on
the
issue
and
I.
Think
that
takes
a
lot
of
courage
and
they're
moments
where
that
really
inspired
me
where
I
thought,
Mike
Mike
was
brave
about
using
his
voice
and
it's
my
job
to
be
brave
about
using
mine.
C
You
know
I
I
knew
Mike
because
of
his
involvement
in
politics
long
before
we
got
to
know
each
other
personally,
and
it's
really
been
my
friendship
in
connection
with
him-
has
been
something
that's
inspired
me.
That's
made
it
more
fun
to
be
part
of
this
group.
We
also
disagreed
at
times.
That's
no
secret,
but
I
always
learned
a
lot
from
working
with
him
and
the
image
that
I
always
thought
about.
C
Was
it
he
kind
of
had
the
hood
up
on
County
government
and
he
was
under
the
hood
with
his
tools
and
his
commitment
to
making
sure
the
engine
was
just
going
to
get
fixed
and
I
credit
him
with
doing
a
lot
of
really
important
work
for
our
community,
and
there
was
also
always
someone
that
he
was
helping
and
I
think
he
was
often
very
private
about
that.
But
there
was
always
a
family
in
our
community
that
he
was
going
out
of
his
way
to
help
I
think
that's
something
we
can
all
be
inspired
by.
D
I
didn't
know
my
before
becoming
a
commissioner,
and
what
I'll
always
remember
about
Mike
is
that
he
was
so
welcoming
and
you
know
he
would
come
and
we
would
talk.
We
go
to
lunch
together
different
times
and
I've.
Always
you
know
admired
him
and
felt
that
Mike
was
somebody
who,
if
you
needed
him
at
3
o'clock
in
the
morning
and
called
him
he
would
be
there
for
you
and
I
found
out
early
on
Mike
was
too
tight.
If
you
need
to
somebody
to
back
you
up
in
a
fight,
Mike
would
be
right
there
behind
you.
D
D
All
of
us
say
individuals,
but
we
all
have
come
together
for
one
thing:
for
Buncombe,
County
and
I
know
a
lot
Mike
and
I
didn't
agree
on
how
we
get
to
a
certain
point,
but
we
did
agree
on
what
we
need
to
do
for
the
people
of
Buncombe
County
and
that's
what
I'll
always
remember
about
my
frie.
He
really
cared
not
only
for
those
who
didn't
have
he
cared
for
the
low
people,
the
people.
E
Did
not
get
to
serve
very
long
with
Mike,
obviously,
but
my
district
to
counterpart
will
be
greatly
missed
in
serving
the
great
people
of
district
2
of
Buncombe,
County,
Mike
and
I
often
also
didn't
see
eye
to
eye
and
outside
this
room
and
chambers
we
often
went
head
to
head
arguing
about
a
BTEC,
often
on
polar
opposite
sides,
of
the
a
BTEC
issue.
However,
my
favorite
memories
of
Mike
will
be
when
we
realized.
E
We
were
exactly
on
the
same
page
with
an
issue
we
may
have
come
at
it
from
two
totally
different
viewpoints,
but
him
looking
down
here
at
me
and
winking,
and
giving
me
a
thumbs
up
when
he
knew
that
I
was
voting
with
him.
Buncombe
County
will
never
have
another
Mike
friar
I'm,
not
sure
Buncombe
County
could
handle
another.
E
G
G
Said
boy
I
never
get
like
this
I'm
sorry,
but
he
was
a
friend
for
40
something
years
of
the
racing
and
he
he
loved
people
he
loved
his
County,
he
loved
what
he'd
done
and
whenever
he
done
something,
he'd
done
it
with
passion
and
nothing
ever
benefited
Mike
friar
that
he
ever
done.
He
it
was
for
the
people,
you
know
I'd,
say
Mac.
What
do
you
need?
I?
Don't
need
nothing.
G
I
G
If
you
think
me
and
him
didn't
have
arguments,
you
ought
to
talk
to
my
wife
one
night
and
let
her
hear
what
would
go
on
from
the
racing
days
to
County
Commission
stuff,
and
he
was
a
special
guy.
I
mean
I've
said
up
here,
and
our
new
county
manager
has
looked
at
me
and
I've
said
Mike,
please
be
quiet,
you
know
trying
to
do
it.
Nonchalantly
you've
said
enough,
but
he
wanted
to
do
it
his
way,
not
the
political
way.
That's
right
and
I've
had
people
say
who's
gonna
fill
his
shoes.
G
Let
me
say
it's
like
our
other
Commissioner
said
nobody
else
could
get
by
with
what
that
man
has
done
and
I
don't
know
how
he
done
it,
but
we
all
love
him
and
we
have
all
probably
had
disagreement,
but
his
wife
burned
down
Christie,
you
know
grandson
and
all
of
them.
They
are
they're
very
proud
that
Mike
got
to
serve
Buncombe
County.
G
He
didn't
serve
the
fryer
family,
he
served
Buncombe,
County
and
Brenda
I
hope
you're
watching
because
we
have
been
together
the
last
couple
of
days,
her
house
on
the
phone
and
him
and
her
had
as
many
arguments
as
browning
in
my
am
and
unpack
I
mean
it
was
not
just
this
commission,
he
loved
argue
with
he
that
was
Mike
you're
gonna.
Do
it
to
Mike
Wayne
I
love
him
I'm
gonna,
miss
him
and
welcome
County's
gonna
miss
him.
That's
right!.
J
So
brownie
had
said:
he's
gonna,
give
us
a
moment
to
say
what
we
wanted
to
say
and
I
have
not
been
able
to
shake
today
that
what
I
wanted
to
say
I
wanted
to
say
in
a
prayerful
way
and
that
I
wanted
to
pray
and
I
want
to
do
that,
locking
hands
with
our
Commission
and
those
around
around
the
table.
So
I'm
going
to
try
to
speak.
My
words
that
way
are,
you
know,
are
welcome
to
do
that.
J
Should
you
choose,
but
in
a
respectful
manner,
I
just
want
to
try
to
lift
up
the
family
and
be
grateful
for
mike
fryer
and
his
influence
this
evening
father.
We
are
very
thankful
that
we
can
come
to
you
this
evening,
knowing
that
you
care
for
us
and
you
care
for
these
people,
and
you
cared
for
Mike
and
his
family,
and
we
we
pray
that
you
would
touch
their
home.
J
We
ask
that
you
would
strengthen
them
in
spirit
and
we
pray
that
you
would
allow
them
to
grieve
in
a
way
that
would
be
comforting
to
them,
and
we
are
thankful
this
evening
that
Mike
is
not
hurting
anymore.
We're
thankful
for
his
service
and
for
his
love
of
community
and
for
his
love
of
the
individual.
We
are
grateful
for
his
support
for
Commission
and
for
his
loving
service
to
this
county
and
father.
J
We
do
thank
you
for
the
opportunity
to
serve
and
the
opportunity
to
be
able
to
to
here,
as
Mike
did
and
to
be
able
to
stand
on
an
issue
and
be
be
grateful.
We
thank
you
for
the
time
that
we've
had
we
pray
that
should
allow
us
to
be
more
loving
as
a
community,
more
loving
as
commissioners
that
we
would
present
your
love
in
a
special
way
in
honor
Mike
and
every
decision
that
we
make.
We
pray
that
it
be
done
decent
in
an
order
for
a
sees
things
in
Christ's
name,
Amen,
amen.
A
Is
there
any
item
on
the
agenda,
the
outcome
of
which
would
have
a
direct,
substantial
and
readily
identifiable
financial
impact
for
any
board?
Member?
Does
any
board
member
have
a
financial
interest
in
any
public
contract
coming
before
the
board?
Today,
there
being
none
all
board
member
all
board.
Members
have
a
duty
to
an
obligation
to
vote
on
any
matters
voted
on
by
the
board
of
this
meeting.
All
right,
we
now
come
to
the
consent
agenda.
Are
there
any
questions
by
any
board
members
about
any
item
on
the
consent
agenda?
A
In
favor,
please
say:
aye
aye
any
opposed
I
want
to
thank
everyone
for
being
here.
This
evening
we
are
gonna,
have
several
public
hearings
on
our
agenda.
We
will
take
public
comment
on
each
item
on
the
public
hearings
list.
We
also
have
a
public
comments
section
at
the
end
of
the
regular
business.
Any
folks
who
are
interested
in
speaking
during
public
comment
I
would
ask
that
you
sign
into
it.
We
do
have
a
sign-up
sheet.
Is
that
that
correct?
So
we
plan
on.
K
A
L
Good
evening,
chairman
and
commissioners,
presentation
I
want
to
give
you
the
second
quarter
financial
report.
This
is
as
of
December
31st
2019,
we're
going
to
talk
about
the
general
fund
and
we're
going
to
talk
about
the
solid
waste
fund
or
not
there.
We
go
okay,
so
the
2020
general
fund
budget,
actual
so
total
budgeted
revenues
are
335
million,
total
year-to-date
actual
is
174
point
three
million,
and
that
is
51
point.
Nine
percent
of
budget
add
value.
L
Everything
else
is
trending.
The
way
I
would
expect
it
to
be
expenditures
by
function.
So
this
is
how
we
actually
adopt
the
budget.
We
are
at
forty
six
point,
eight
percent
of
budget,
which
is
157
million
of
our
335
million.
There's
nothing
on
here.
That
causes
me
any
concern.
Everything
is
trending
the
way
that
we
would
anticipate
it
to
be
at
halfway
through
the
year.
This
is
another
look
at
expenditures.
This
is
by
category.
You
can
see
the
salaries
and
benefits
program,
support
operating
expenditures
and
gives
you
a
different
picture
of
the
same
information.
L
And
then
this
is
the
solid
waste
fund.
Revenues
by
type
total
budget
is
nine
point:
six
million,
actuals
or
five
point,
seven
million,
which
is
fifty
nine
percent
of
budget.
You
can
see
that
this
year
we
are
doing
really
well
compared
to
last
year,
and
that
has
a
lot
to
do
with
the
transfer
station
that
has
been
really
going,
gangbusters
expenditures,
my
category.
So
this
is
your
salaries
operating
expenditures,
capital
outlays.
L
J
J
B
L
J
B
A
I
neglected
to
mission
one
thing
at
the
outset
of
the
meeting,
which
is
that,
if
you
are
using
the,
we
have
parking
validation
for
any
folks
who
are
using
the
county
parking
deck
to
attend
this
meeting
or
if
you
used
Asheville
transit
to
get
to
the
meeting,
you
can
get
your
parking
or
transit
validated
by
one
of
the
officers
who
is
here
this
evening,
feel
free
to
see
them
on
the
on
the
way
out
and
that
validation
is
for
today
only
all
right.
Thank
you
for
the
reminder.
A
M
Evening,
commissioners,
this
is
a
request
from
the
read
law
firm
who
inadvertently
filed
a
deed
in
Buncombe
County,
rather
than
Henderson
County,
to
have
their
taxes
paid
back
to
them
since
filing
the
deed
in
Buncombe,
County,
they've,
properly
recorded
the
deed
in
Henderson
County
and
paid
the
appropriate
taxes
there.
This
appears
to
meet
all
the
statutory
requirements
for
a
refund
and,
if
there's
anyone
from
the
read
law
firm
who
would
like
to
add
anything
I,
don't
believe
anyone
was
showing
up.
A
E
N
A
L
L
What
the
resolution
does
is
it
off
to
negotiate
on
behalf
the
county?
It
directs
the
finance
director
to
submit
the
application
to
the
LGC,
and
then
it
also
authorizes
us
to
retain
bond
council
financial
advisors
and
that
sort
of
thing
the
anticipated
bond
issuance
is
written.
So
it's
not
to
exceed
212
million.
Of
that
there's
new
debt,
which
is
not
to
exceed
39
million.
Approximately
15
million
is
going
to
be
county
projects
and
then
24
million
is
city
and
county
school
projects.
L
The
projects
that
are
the
new
that
are
part
of
the
new
money
were
approved
by
the
board
as
part
of
the
2018
and
2019
budgets.
Now,
normally,
we
would
have
done
a
bond
issue
last
year,
but
because
we're
working
through
the
audit
and
that
sort
of
thing
we
just
waited
and
now
we're
doing
it.
We
have
a
reimbursement
resolution
that
allows
us
to
issue
debt
now
and
then
reimburse
ourselves
because
these
projects,
a
lot
of
them,
are
already
complete
or
substantially
complete.
L
The
other
part
of
that
is
the
refinancing,
so
that
is
not
to
exceed
one
hundred.
Seventy
two
point:
five
million,
and
it's
really
going
to
depend
on
the
type
of
savings
we
can
achieve
when
we
actually
go
to
market
we're.
Looking
at
the
2009
2010,
12,
14
and
15
issues
that
are
outstanding
and
as
of
the
time
I
put
this
presentation
together,
we
were
at
about
fourteen
million
in
savings
that
we
would
recognize
over
the
next
15
years.
So
what
that
would
do
is
help
offset
any
new
debt
service.
L
Here's
a
list
of
the
projects,
so
these
are
the
county
projects,
so
the
big
ones
are
the
east,
asheville
library,
the
exterior
renovations
for
the
courthouse
detention
center
and
this
building,
and
then
we
have
some
smaller
projects
like
julienne
35
would
been
the
allport,
the
Azrael
city
school
projects.
We
have
ROTC
building,
Hall
Fletcher
and
the
rest
of
renovations.
Now
all
of
the
school
projects
have
gone
through
the
school
capital
commission
gone
through
the
budget
process,
and
that
sort
of
thing
so
and
then
here
are
the
Buncombe
County
school
projects.
J
So
dawn
once
we
we
refinanced,
which
is
a,
is
a
common
practice.
As
we
see
the
opportunity
you
know
when
rates
drop,
you
know
the
savings
estimated
savings
of
fourteen
million
dollars
is
substantial
and
so
I
appreciate
your
via.
On
top
of
that
and
I
know
that
taxpayers
do
too
so
and
so
in
it,
and
when
those
savings
are
realized,
then
we
just
we
decide
whether
we
want
to,
as
you
said,
retire
dad
or
pay-as-you-go
or.
However,
we
want
to
use
that
and
they
use
that
savings
right.
Well,.
L
L
J
A
A
O
O
Here
and
39
million
can
be
used,
I
believe
in
new
project
is
what
we're
talking
about,
so
the
other
is
going
to
be
combining
existing
outstanding
debt,
but
I
would
like
to
see
for
the
citizens
exactly
what
the
interest
savings
is
going
to
be
and
what
is
going
to
be.
The
projected
use
of
that
entering
and
I
think
this
might
address
some
things
that
was
discussed
in
the
preemie
ting,
and
that
is
as
a
citizen.
We
establish
a
budget
and
we
live
with
it.
O
We
don't
have
the
option
of
saving
our
way
into
barring
more
money,
and
so
at
a
certain
point
in
time,
we
as
a
financial
institution
in
this
county,
has
to
stop
borrowing
and
pay
off
the
debt.
Now
also,
would
it
be
possible,
then,
for
a
citizen
like
myself
in
my
age,
72
can
I
buy
a
county
bond,
because
if
you
all
go
bankrupt
20
years
from
now,
they
ain't
gonna
affect
me
anyway.
O
Will
you
pay
back
the
bond
or
not,
and
there
might
be
some
residents
in
the
county
that
would
like
to
invest
in
the
county
and
that's
an
option
that
should
possibly
be
considered
since
you're
going
to
have
these
bonding
people
look
at
it.
So
I
would
just
like
to
see
in
detail
how
we're
going
to
save
that
money
before
it's
voted
on
by
the
board.
Thank
you
very
much.
All.
Q
Q
Q
That's
what
bothers
me,
these
multi
millions
of
dollars,
it's
easy
to
send
the
money
out,
but
the
taxpayers
are
paying
it.
My
question
is
on
this.
Money
is
how
many
of
us
have
been
having
discussion
in
the
back
room
about
going
on.
A
pay-as-you-go
pay-as-you-go
has
been
said
for
30-some
years
that
I've
been
here
now
somewhere.
You
got
to
stop
and
put
your
mouth
where
your
heart
should
be,
the
taxpayers
need
some
relief.
Q
We
do
need
buildings
or
whatever
they
talk
about
in
school.
We've
done
done
that
big
projects
that
dilapidated
dozen,
we
need
to
figure
out
how
to
reduce
these
money
and
give
the
taxpayers
a
break
taxing
spending,
and
mr.
Fryar
is
one
of
these.
They
stayed
on
your
case,
so
I'm
still
here
and
I'll
be
on
your
case,
and
that
is,
we
need
to
find
a
way
to
reduce
this
money
and
I'd
like
to
know
if
this
board
has
got
a
plan
on
how
you're
going
to
get
down
to
pay.
As
you
go,
that's
mine.
R
Hi,
my
name
is
Catherine
I'm
from
the
Candler
community,
I
have
a
question:
I
was
sitting
there
and
I
was
looking
at
all
of
those
numbers
for
all
these
projects
that
are
going
to
be
gone
for
all
this
money
that
we're
borrowing
and
recycling
back
into
the
system
over
in
Candler.
We
got
a
bridge
to
nowhere.
R
R
A
L
Mr.
rice
talked
about
Pago.
We
do
consider
that
when
we
go
through
the
budget
process,
the
problem
with
like
the
school
district
is,
we
have
a
20-year
CIP
that
shows
the
hundreds
of
millions
of
dollars
of
projects
that
they
have
for
all
these
buildings,
and
if
we
were
to
pay,
go
that
I,
don't
know
if
we
would
ever
do
it.
So
we
have
the
article
39
sales
tax
money
which
we
leverage.
It's
been
no
different
than
when
you
have
a
mortgage
on
your
house.
L
If
you
want
to
save
the
money
and
pay
cash
for
your
house,
you
can
do
it
it'll.
Take
you
a
very
long
time
and
something
will
always
come
up.
That
was
going
to
take
precedence,
you're
not
going
to
be
able
to
do
these
things.
We
would
run
into
that
same
issue
here.
If
we
started
setting
money
aside,
there's
another
project:
that's
going
to
come
up,
it's
going
to
take
precedence,
so
issuing
debt
is
by
far,
in
my
opinion,
the
best
way
to
go.
A
A
Just
in
terms
of
the
project
that
was
referenced
in
Candler,
it
is
not
on
this
CIP
list,
but
it
is
scheduled
for
I.
Think
our
next
County
Commission
meeting.
We
thought
we
talked
about
that
project
at
our
pre
meeting
this
afternoon.
So
I
think
we'll
be
going
into
a
full,
detailed
presentation
about
that
and
our
meeting
two
weeks
from
today,
but
it's
not
on
this
list,
but
there
is
a
specific
plan
to
get
that
project
completed
this
year.
So
thank
you
for
asking
that
question.
Yeah.
J
And
I
will
chime
in
on
that.
What's
what's
real
exciting
about
that,
you
know
the
the
bridge
is
that
you
know
what
really
happened,
that
bridges
built
way
too
soon
and
so
everybody's
looked
at
as
a
bridge
to
nowhere
and
rightfully
so,
but
there's
a
the
last
couple
of
years.
There's
been
some
some
hard
work
and
and
just
some
things-
that's
that's
happened
with
some
some
different
types
of
grants,
but
that
bridge
is
going
to
be
connected
to
Sand
Hill
Road.
J
There
will
be
lights
and
everything
there
and
we'll
be
discussing
all
that
detail
at
the
18th
meeting.
So
a
lot
of
the
things
you're
seeing
over
there
is
going
to
stop
and
go
away,
and
it's
going
to
be
a
great
asset
to
the
to
the
community,
providing
access
to
the
back
of
the
school
as
well.
As
you
know,
the
recreation
over
there
and
some
other
things
so
I've
shared.
J
We
all
have
shared
that
concern
for
for
several
years,
and
in
this
year
it's
finally
going
to
be
addressed
at
very
little
cost
locally
so
and
we're
going
to
connect
it
all
the
way
to
Sand
Hill.
So
it's
going
to
be
going
to
be
pretty
exciting.
Well,
I
didn't
want
to
ask
about
the
list
of
that.
The
school
is
a
pair
that
you
know
myself
and
browning
you're
on
the
school
capital
Commission,
and
it
looks
like
some
of
the
things
that
were
showing
up
there
or
what
had
been
recommended
from
a
long
list.
J
We've
got
so
many
schools,
it's
been
around
so
long,
there's
just
a
great
need
there
and
that
that
is
covered
by
quarter
cent
sales
taxes,
property
tax
dollars
going
to
that
at
all,
and
then
so
I
wanted
to
make
sure
that
we
had
that
had
come
through
the
Commission.
That
last
round
of
that
was
what
we
had
voted
on.
Yeah.
L
A
S
A
Opposed
all
right,
Thank
You,
mr.
Warren,
all
right.
The
last
public
hearing
on
our
agenda
this
evening
is
the
subtle
rezoning
request
and
mission
rezoning
request
and
Joshua
Freeman.
Our
planning
manager
will
present
this
item.
Oh
okay,
oh
boy,
all
right,
so
subtle,
subtle,
rezoning,
first,
followed
by
mission
rezoning.
Second,
yes,.
T
Sir,
thank
you
and
max
if
we
could
pull
up
the
settle,
powerpoint
presentation.
Thank
you
and
there
are
mister
missus
settle
in
the
room.
Okay,
thank
you.
Alright.
So
the
first
case
before
you
tonight,
one
of
two
is
zoning.
Public
hearing,
2019
46,
the
subtle
zoning
map
amendment
case
number
as
I've
just
just
mentioned.
This
is
the
schedule
by
which
we
advertise
this
public
hearing.
So
if
anyone
has
any
questions
about
that,
I'm
happy
to
answer
them,
I
can't
say
that
was
properly
advertised
in
accordance
with
Buckham
County
code
and
north
carolina
general
statutes.
T
The
applicant
is
mr.
ray
and
miss
Carolyn
subtle
the
application,
the
location
of
the
subject.
Property
is
1990,
US,
highway,
70,
1.7,
acre
property,
currently
developed
for
single-family
uses
currently
served
by
public
water
and
public
sewer.
This
is
what
the
zoning
map
would
look
like
before
the
rezoning
on
the
left.
It's
currently
zoned,
r1
residential,
if
approved
it,
would
become
see
s
commercial
services
and
I'm.
Summarize
the
differences
between
those
in
just
a
moment.
This
is
the
purpose
statement
for
both
the
proposed
and
the
current
district
r1
is
primarily
a
single-family
residential
zoning
district.
T
The
uses
are
very
consistent
with
what
you
would
typically
find
in
a
residential
neighborhood.
Commercial
Services
is
one
of
our
higher
intensity
commercial
zoning
districts.
It
allows
a
broad
range
of
uses.
Residential
is
currently
would
be.
Can
we
continue
to
be
allowed,
but
you
would
also
have
most
of
what
you
might
think
of
as
the
types
of
retail
that
you
would
see
in
a
in
a
typical
commercial
zoning
district
density
requirements.
A
lot
says
requirements,
not
a
really
no
real
big
difference
here.
T
T
And
west,
this
proposal
is
100%
consistent
with
your
current,
your
currently
applicable
land
use
plan,
the
2013
update
staff
and
the
Planning
Board
agree
that
this
wouldn't
be
detrimental
and
does
it
here
to
your
plan.
Both
staff
and
the
Planning
Board
recommend
approval
the
Planning
Board
by
vote
of
seven
to
zero.
You
know
them
as
a
recommendation
of
approval.
That's
the
end
of
the
show.
If
you
have,
any
questions
would
be
happy
to
take
them.
Did.
A
A
U
J
A
J
T
T
Thank
you,
owners
of
the
property
of
freedom,
crest
incorporated
the
address
is
323
high-top
mountain
road
is
also
off
Holcomb
Cove
Road,
it's
a
total
of
four
pieces
of
property,
220
220,
2.5
acres,
vast
majority
of
the
site
is
undeveloped.
There
is
one
small
single-family
structure
on
the
property.
It
is
serviceable
by
private
septic
and
public
sewer
I
mean
public
water
pardoning.
T
F
T
Would
rezone
the
entirety
of
all
four
properties,
because
there's
so
many
districts
I'm
not
going
to
go
through
all
four
relevant
districts?
I'll
be
happy
to
answer
two
questions
about
the
the
the
current
zoning
districts.
The
short
and
sweet
of
that
is
the
our
districts
are
both
single-family
residential
zoning
districts.
Relatively
low
density,
zoning
districts,
open
uses,
open
use.
It
allows
virtually
everything
with
a
few
exceptions.
The
proposed
district
2
is
conference
center
resort.
T
It
is
intended
to
serve
large
tourist
related
facilities,
summer
camp
properties,
conference
centers,
including
some
of
the
ancillary
uses
such
as
hotels,
retail
shops,
churches,
secular,
retreats,
and
so
on.
This
is
one:
that's
not
a
square.
It's
not
a
solid
fit
with
a
land
use
plan.
It's
depending
on
what
section
of
the
plan
you
look
at.
It
could
be
inconsistent,
but
it's
also
consistent
on
the
on
the
left
in
red.
T
You
have
the
issues
that
are
outlined
in
the
Lanie's
plan
that
one
could
argue
are
inconsistent
and
those
include
proximity
to
utilities,
proximity
to
infrastructure,
to
roads,
larger
transportation,
corridors,
steep
slopes
and
things
like
that.
On
the
other
hand,
elsewhere
in
the
Lanie's
plan,
there
is
a
discussion
about
creating
a
resort
district
which
this
board
did
eventually
do
when
it
created
in
the
zoning
ordinance
the
CR
zoning
district.
It
is
meant
to
serve
large
campus
type
properties.
T
Conference
centers
resorts,
so
you
have
the
Biltmore
House.
You
have
the
Billy
Graham
center.
You
have
Ridgecrest.
Those
are
all
conference
center
resort
districts
in
this
particular
property.
In
terms
of
its
location,
let
me
say
a
different
way.
This
particular
property
in
terms
of
its
size
and
in
in
the
types
of
uses
that
are
intended
for
it
do
fit
with
the
land
ease
plan.
T
G
A
A
Q
Thank
Mitch
chairman
members
board.
This
is
in
my
neighborhood.
This
has
been
brought
up
a
few
years
ago
and
it
wasn't
for
this
Center
either
it
was
to
build
a
housing
project
in
there.
Well,
I'm
opposed
to
either
one
at
this
point,
because
there's
no
city
sewer
up
there
and
if
even
you've
built
a
small
place,
you'd
have
to
build
a
septic
tank
system
in
there.
That
would
handle
it
and
that's
right
next
to
the
creek,
so
on
the
other
end
of
it
is
called
Holcomb
code
on
the
other
end
of
that
property.
Q
We
had
a
mobile
home
place
up
in
there
for
years
and
that
road
is
took
a
beatin,
much
less
traffic.
So
when
you're
looking
at
the
traffic
to
do
a
center,
I,
don't
care
what
they
saying
right
at
this
moment,
this
is
gonna,
be
a
hardship
on
the
community.
There's
enough
traffic
up
Stars
Cove
right
now,
you
just
take
a
good
count:
you'd
be
down
to
Road
you'll,
find
out
and
anyway,
I.
Think
the
road
traffic
I
think
the
sewer
and
stuff
is
not
up
there.
Q
It's
got
city,
water,
I
think
we
got
a
big
problem
here.
We
got
another
development
right
below
this
one
over
on
down
below
me
and
it's
a
big
subdivision
going
in
right
down
there.
So
we
got
two
on
either
side.
Now
there
was
a
talk
when
John
Creighton
was
handling
this
of
putting
the
sewer
up
to
Starnes
code.
Q
S
Thank
You
chair,
my
name,
is
Derrick.
Allen
I
represent
the
applicant
Peter
Radisson
who's
here,
along
with
some
other
members
of
the
church.
The
church
is
freedom
in
Christ,
that
is,
the
owner
of
this
property.
Their
actual
operating
church
is
called
Church
of
Hope.
When
they
came
to
me
with
this
project,
they
had
looked
at
this.
Actually,
a
four
acre
parcel
of
it,
which
was
just
part
of
the
project
a
number
of
months
ago,
and
it
had
gone
through.
S
Planning,
Board
and
staff
had
looked
at
it
and
we've
sat
down
with
it
started
talking
to
staff.
We
figured
out
that
this
is
actually
more
of
a
legacy
type
project
more
of
a
retreat
center,
and
it
was
way
more
than
just
four
acres,
these
folks
already
owned
222
acres
and
they
were
planning
to
implement
a
conference
and
Resort
Center
for
missionaries
and
training,
including
a
school
including
a
K
through
12
school
of
daycare,
missionary
dorms,
cafeteria
and
training
center.
S
S
It
looked
like
the
conference
resort,
the
CR
zoning
designation
was
a
dead-on
fit,
we
looked
around
and
you
could
see
in
six
or
seven
other
similarly,
zoned
properties
in
Buncombe
County,
the
Billy
Graham
Center,
Biltmore,
State,
LifeWay,
christian,
lutheran
ministries,
Blue
Ridge,
ministries,
Ridgecrest
and
all
of
them
are
on
large
acreage
parcels.
They
all
have
those
same
issues
that
the
mr.
S
Freeman
was
talking
about,
because
when
you
have
that
big
of
a
parcel
in
Buncombe
County
you're
going
to
run
into
issues
with
not
being
close
to
transportation
on
some
of
that
property
gonna
run
into
issues
with
steep
slopes
on
some
of
those
large
tracts.
You're
gonna
run
into
issues
with
elevation,
of
course,
and
none
of
those
things
are
impacted
by
our
development,
because
this
project
is
still
going
to
be
subject
to
all
of
those
things.
S
The
second
thing
that
we
saw
when
we
looked
at
this
was
this
is
a
church
used
and
as
a
church,
use
the
religious
land
use
and
institutionalized
persons
act,
which
we
call
our
lupa
protects.
Church
uses
from
zoning
enforcement.
So
there's
about
90%
of
the
intended
programming
for
this
project.
They
can
do
any
way
whether
we
thaw
up
or
thumbs
down
at
this
rezoning,
but
the
applicant
here
my
clients
wanted
to
go
through
because
they
wanted
to
have
this
entire
project
have
the
kind
of
flexibility
with
building
height.
S
It
gives
them
additional
5
feet
of
building
height
on
their
intended
dormitory
building,
as
well
as
building
orientation
and
give
some
flexibility
there.
So
that's
really.
The
only
reason
we're
here
is
just
for
those
added
flexibility
pieces,
the
rest
of
the
programming.
They
can
already
deal
in
property
they
already
own.
We
did
go
out
and
meet
with
the
neighbors
early
and
often
in
this
and
made
accommodations
to
them
in
terms
of
where
facilities
we're
going
to
be
located.
S
There
was
no
opposition
that
showed
up
at
our
Planning
Board
hearing
the
kinds
of
questions
that
we
got
from
Planning
Board
here
and
we've
incorporated
into
this
presentation
and
really
the
only
question
we
got
to
play
anymore.
Hearing
was,
you
say,
you're
exempt
from
these
zoning
regulations,
but
do
the
building
regulations
the
steep
slopes,
the
height
elevations,
those
kinds
of
limitations
still
apply
to
use
a
church
use
and,
of
course
they
do.
We
have
all
those
same
requirements
I'm
here
to
answer
any
questions.
Peter's
here
to
answer
any
questions.
S
Art
Balak
also
from
the
church,
is
here
as
well
as
the
minister,
Michael,
Tohono
and
Michael
a
boy
who's
with
our
engineering.
Asa
engineering
is
here
to
answer
any
questions
about
the
technical
aspects
of
this.
We
think
it's
an
appropriate
land
use
for
this
and
we
would
urge
you
to
agree
with
your
planning
staff
and
with
your
planning
board
and
support
this
project.
Thank
you.
Alright,.
V
I
W
O
I
hope
you
take
what
I'm
fixin
to
say
very
seriously:
I,
don't
know
if
you
all
know
it
or
not,
but
I
have
a
master's
degree
in
environmental
systems.
Engineering
that
means
I
can
design
and
I
have
design
sewer
treatment
plants
you're
going
to
give
up
all
control
on
this
site.
If
it
has
to
have
on-site
septic
system,
a
septic
system
cannot
survive
when
you
got
a
Saddam,
Ettore
or
a
large
crowd,
all
of
a
sudden
going
roof
and
it
sits
there.
O
It's
overloaded,
so
I
suggest
that
before
you
release
your
control
of
the
health
and
the
welfare
of
the
citizens
in
Buncombe
County,
which
is
the
statutory
responsibility
of
the
director
of
your
health
department,
that
you
really
look
at
in
depth
how
this
sewer
will
be
handled
because
I,
don't
think
God
in
our
churches
can
crap
all
over
the
earth
and
get
by
with
it
and
I'm
very,
very
serious
about
that.
I
am
for
the
project
in
that
you
can
design
it
to
fit
where
the
slopes
are
at.
O
If
you
take
care
of
the
sewer
problem
and
the
road
problem,
but
this
road
problem
is
something
that
you
as
county,
commissioners,
better
start
looking
at,
because
I
live
on
a
road
that
I
was
the
eighth
house
on
the
right
and
now
I'm,
probably
the
800th
house
on
the
right
and
it's
the
same
cotton-pickin
road
that
I
had
when
I
was
a
kid
that
I
used
to
race
out
of
a
night
when
I
was
going
home.
So
you
better
check
this
sewer
situation.
O
Septic
tanks
will
not
work
for
large
shocks.
They
will
not
work,
so
you
need
to
control
how
much
they're
used
and
how
often
they're
used
and
when
they're
loaded
so
I
encourage
you.
Please
look
into
that
very
much
before
you
approve
it's
not
that
you're
against
the
project,
you're
just
going
to
be
sure
that
they
don't
have
any
problems
down
the
road
or
you
don't
have
any
problems
when
those
septic
tanks
fail
and
starts
running
into
the
creek
and
everybody
down.
O
J
Have
a
question
chairman
sure:
would
someone
from
the
project
or
you
or
whoever
would
you
want
to
comment
on
any
conversation
you've
had
with
with
MSD
regarding
the
project?
Potential
of
I
can
tell
you
that
from
experience
that,
in
order
to
get
sewer
to
you
to
the
place,
there's
got
to
be
a
place
first,
because
they're
they're
not
gonna.
Typically,
they
gotta
have
a
reason
to
run
out
there.
But
I
like
didn't
know
what
conversation
you
had
with
MSD.
Yes,.
X
Sir
chairman
and
commissioners,
thank
you.
My
name
is
Mike
Lavoie
I'm
with
advantage
civil
engineering.
We
have
spoken
with
them,
then,
right
now
the
closest
gravity
sewer
is
approximately
a
mile
away
about
5,600
linear
feet
or
so,
and
it
just
from
a
cost-effective
standpoint.
It
doesn't
make
sense
at
this
time.
We
have
spoken
with
MSD
and
we
would
be
more
than
willing
to
work
with
MSD
and
to
share
and
cost
for
bringing
that
gravity
system
or
putting
a
large
pump
station
out
in
the
area
to
be
able
to
pump
the
to
the
gravity
manhole.
X
So
we're
definitely
would
love
to
work
with
them,
and
that
would
be
great,
and
it
would
be
our
hopes
that
that
will
be
the
case
in
the
future
and
we
hope
by
bringing
this
project
there,
that
maybe
it
will
help
drive
some
economic
incentive
to
bring
more
utilities
out
that
way
as
well
as
transportation.
So
thank.
J
X
S
And
just
to
add
from
a
land
use
standpoint,
those
kinds
of
development
details
are
what
the
the
professionals
that
our
health
department
MSD
do
and
engineers
do,
and
really
what
we're
looking
at
here
and
asking
your
approval
for
is
the
underlying
land
use
so
not
to
logger
it
up
too
much.
But
that's
we're
looking
at
is
the
is
the
approval
of
that
as
a
use
them
and.
J
I
would
be
disappointed
if
you
didn't
logger
it
up
a
little
bit
that
you're,
but
you
know,
I
was
on
the
MSD
board
for
a
while
night.
I
had
heard
about
some
of
this
and
thought
that
there
was
conversation
about
extending
that
out
there,
and-
and
that
would
be
a
great
thing
if
we're
able
to
pull
it
off.
Certainly.
T
T
Is
a
difference
in
the
total
amount
of
dwelling
units
and
when
you
look
at
the
difference
on
in
districts
and
I,
don't
have
the
number
on
top
of
my
head
I
apologize
so
that
you're,
our
two
district,
if
I'm
not
mistaken,
allows
twelve
dwelling
units
per
acre.
Our
LD
is
one
dwelling
unit
per
acre,
whereas
the
conference
center
Resort
district
I
believe
is
on
the
higher
end
of
this
was
probably
like
12
units
per
acre.
So.
A
A
Did
the
staff
have
any
comment
on
that
issue
whether
they
think
that
issue
should
be
considered?
As
we
look
at
this
rezoning
or,
as
is
pointed
out,
you
know
that
also
we
looked
at
some
other
places,
but
is
it
something
that
we
should
be
considering
here
or
do
you
feel
like
the
other
processes?
The
county
has
in
place
from
a
permitting
standpoint
will
make
sure
that
we
still
have
the
ability
to
not
allow
issuance
of
a
permit
for
something
that
the
land
can't
support.
We.
Y
Need
to
keep
them
separate,
because
this
isn't
not
a
site-specific
plan.
It
is
a
request
to
rezone
the
property.
I
will
say
this:
we
do
have
standards
and
place
that
now
required
to
say,
for
instance,
a
traffic
study,
if
you're
above
say
75
units
or
for
commercial
developments
of
certain
thresholds.
We
did
put
those
in
place
recently
and
the
other
thing
I
would
say
too
about
the
septic
issue
is
there's
also
another
option
through
the
Department
of
Environmental
Quality.
Y
There
is
the
potential
to
build
a
package
plan,
so
that
would
be
a
different
sort
of
facility
in
terms
of
MSD
plans
in
the
future.
They're
very
interested
in
any
long-range
plans
comprehensive
plans
that
the
county
is
looking
at.
Certainly
we
all
know
we
have
to
have
a
conversation
as
we
grow
in
the
future
in
terms
of
what
infrastructure
looks
like
in
the
future,
but
at
this
point,
I
think
we
need
to
keep
this
application
to
the
request
of
just
rezoning
the
property
well.
A
I
appreciate
that,
but
if
it
does
allow,
you
know
understanding,
you
know,
the
the
property
owners
have
very
some
very
specific
ideas,
but
when
we
think
about
rezoning
it,
we
have
to
think
about
anything
that
can
be
built
under
that.
You
know
that
that
different
zoning
designation
this
would
allow
some
higher
densities
just
in
light
of
the
infrastructure
that
is
not
present
in
the
area.
A
Are
the
planning
staff
comfortable
with
allowing
the
potential
for
you
know
whatever
that
development
might
be,
or
do
you
feel
comfortable
that
the
other
processes,
any
development
would
have
to
go
through?
That
would
look
at
the
capacity
of
the
property
to
handle
the
septic
systems
are
gonna,
be
sufficient
to
make
sure
there's
no
public
safety
or
public
health
or
environmental
problems.
Yes,.
Y
Because
they
will
have
to
go
through
a
rigorous
permitting
process
in
terms
of
I,
don't
think
it
will
be
septic.
I
think
it'll
be
something
more
than
septic
in
terms
of
a
package
plant
if
you're
talking
about
a
large
institutional
use
like
a
church
like
a
large
church
or
a
commercial
facility,
more
than
likely
you're
gonna
have
to
build
that
package
plant
and
that
actually
has
to
go
through
the
state
for
review
that
actually
doesn't
even
get
reviewed
at
our
Health
Department
level.
It
actually
goes
to
Raleigh
for
a
review:
Thank,
You,
Nick.
Okay,
let.
D
Y
I
can't
give
you
the
exact
value.
Probably
mr.
Lavoie
could
give
you
some
engineering
on
that,
but
running
the
line
itself
is
going
to
be
expensive.
What
they
may
choose
to
do
is
get
started
with
us
say
a
smaller
package
plant.
Mr.
Allen
mentioned
it's
a
Legacy
Project,
it's
not
all
gonna
happen
overnight.
You
might
have
something
smaller
get
built
and
eventually,
as
they
continue
to
grow,
they
might
add
additional
buildings.
Then
it
makes
more
sense
to
actually
extend
that
line.
X
At
this
time,
I
will
go
ahead
and
mention
that
we
have
been
working
with
a
soil
scientist
out
there
for
quite
some
time
with
222
plus
acres.
We
have
a
lot
of
land
to
work
with,
and
we've
identified
quite
a
few
areas
on
the
property
that
are
well
above
any
stream
or
any
environmentally
sensitive
waters.
We
are
talking
somewhere
in
the
neighborhoods
of
25,000
gallons
per
day
at
full
build-out,
but
that
could
be
10
years
down
the
road,
but
what
we?
X
What
we've
seen
is
that
a
lot
of
the
situation
will
probably
end
up
being
a
drip
irrigation
type
system.
That's
that's
dripped
onto
the
surface
of
the
land
and
so
there's
more
than
adequate
amount
of
horizontal
and
vertical
distance
before
any
sensitive
waters
are
reached
for
something
like
that.
So
that
is
our
plane
at
this
time.
One
of
the
reasons
with
the
package
plant
we've
looked
into
that
as
well,
and
we
don't
have
a
receiving
water
close
by
that's
large
enough
to
support
a
package
plant
type
sewer
system
like
that.
X
X
G
Myself
and
a
couple
other
commissioners
had
spoke
with
the
y'all
several
months
ago,
six
months
ago
about
this
project
when
it
was
the
four
acres
only
being
divided
out,
not
I,
guess
my
concern
is
I.
Won't
really
clear.
Is
we're
just
talking
about
the
rezoning
right
now,
but
I
have
concerns
about
the
traffic
on
that
storage.
Cove,
two
plus
the
stream
I
know
that
area
very
well.
We
have
several
people
here
so
I'd
like
to
be
a
little
more
clear
with
the
language
of
what
we're
actually
doing
right
now,.
A
Right,
so
this
is
not
a
request
to
the
property
owner.
It
sound
like
they
have
a
very
specific
idea,
they'd
like
to
work
on,
but
we're
not
approving
this
plans
we're
just
rezoning
the
property
from
one
classification
to
another,
so
anything
that
could
be
built
under
that
new
classification.
Could,
you
know,
could
theoretically
I
mean
plans
change?
This
will
disowning
could
be
in
place
for
hundreds
of
years.
So
we
have
to
think
about
anything
that
might
be
able
to
be
built
under
that
and
make
sure
we're
comfortable
with
that
zoning
designation
versus.
What's
there
today.
J
I
think
that
you
know
I'm
gonna,
move
that
a
project
be
that
we
find
that
it's.
The
request
is
consistent
with
the
county.
Comprehensive
land
use
plan
reasonable
in
a
public
interest
and
I
share.
Commissioner
Presley's
concerns
to
know
that
area,
but
also
know
that
is
I.
Think
this
this
rezoning
would
be
helpful
to
that
area
and
the
infrastructure
would
be
would
be
built
to
accommodate
it.
You
know
ultimately.
J
G
About
the
traffic
and
I
mean
I
know
that
area
there's
streams
up
there,
there's
a
lot
of
things
and
with
having
some
concerns
that
people
have
said
is
you
know
we
we
zone
this
and
then
what
happens
after
that
want
to
make
sure
that
rezoning
is
one
thing,
but
whenever
you
start
putting
this
many
units
in
sure
that
everything
that's
where
my
concern
comes
from
I
think
we
really
need
to
identify.
What's
really
gonna
be
here
today
and
the
future
down
the
road
so.
A
T
They
it
will
depend
to
some
extent
on
the
composition
of
land
uses
that
are
being
proposed
in
the
future,
assuming
it's
going
to
be
a
fairly
straightforward
religious
conference
center
training
facility,
Church
that
is
allowed
by
right
in
that
particular
zoning
district.
So
the
application
would
come
forward
to
staff.
We
would
review
it
for
zoning
consistency
in
terms
of
setbacks,
steep
slope
regulations
and
any
other
applicable
routine.
T
Zoning
ordinance
requirements,
building
inspections
and
environmental
health
would
also
be
reviewing
it,
probably
at
the
same
time
for
septic
or
other
sewer
connection
requirements
as
well
as
water,
and
then,
once
all
three
departments
have
been
satisfied
in
terms
of
the
ordinance
requirements
within
planning.
That
also
includes
sedimentation
and
erosion
control
in
stormwater,
so
zoning
stormwater
environmental
health
building
inspections
once
those
that
package
of
reviews
is
complete,
it
will
be
approved
by
staff,
and
that
would
be
the
process
if
it
or
to
include
any
types
of
uses
that
might
our
conditional
use
permit.
T
Then
that
would
have
to
go
before
the
the
Board
of
Adjustment
before
the
zoning
and
development
approvals
are
granted.
So
the
process
would
again
application
to
staff
public
hearing
before
the
Board
of
Adjustment.
If
the
Board
of
Adjustment
approves
it,
and
then
the
previous
process
that
our
founder
take
articulated
would
then
follow.
A
T
Yes,
sir
I
will
do
that,
so
the
conference
center
resort
district
allows
a
pretty
broad
range
of
uses
by
right
so
that
that
could
be
anything
from
a
church
to
a
you
know,
a
hotel.
It
could
be
some
type
of
retail,
so
you
might
see
in
a
religious
context,
you
might
see
a
gymnasium,
a
dormitory,
a
church,
a
training
facility,
a
small
cafe
and
a
bookstore
to
serve
those
constituents
that
are
attending
that
program.
T
K
A
T
Types
of
commercial
uses
heavier
and
heavier
intensity.
Commercial
uses
schools
with
certain
types
of
schools
that
require
our
conditional
use,
permit
vacation
rental
complexes
so
like
a
multi-family
style,
a
cotton
set
of
accommodations
that
are
not
classified
as
hotels
would
require
conditional
use.
Permit
certain
types
of
uses
that
would
not
be
allowed.
One
would
be
any
sort
of
manufacturing
operation
shipping
receiving
delivery.
Those
types
of
things
would
not.
A
S
In
your
County,
legal
staff
was
very
helpful
and
understood
this
issue
quite
competently,
and
we
had
this
discussion
a
little
bit
at
the
Planning
Board
level
and
of
the
things
that
we
had
listed.
The
church
very
clearly
allowed
the
the
schools
allowed.
The
daycares
allowed
missionary
dorms
are
allowed,
cafeteria
allowed
Training
Center
allowed.
You
know
all
the
core
parts
of
it
are
allowed,
and
so
we
look
at
the
intensity
of
the
use.
You
know
I
kind
of
have
two
two
responses.
S
One
is
you
know
when
we
get
to
intent
juices
that
we're
talking
about
with
traffic
that
would
trigger
a
traffic
study
or
that
would
impact
environmentally
sensitive
areas
or
they
have
to
go
through
MSD.
We
have
to
go
through
those,
no
matter
what
whether
we
get
R
is
owned,
or
we
stay
where
we
are.
We
go
under
the
church
designation.
Really.
S
The
only
thing
that
we're
asking
for
this
rezoning
to
help
us
accomplish
is
the
orientation
of
the
buildings
and
literally
five
feet
on
an
already
designed
dormitory
building
that
that's
the
only
reason
that
we're
here
so
I
don't
want
us
to
get
too
far
afield
of
why
we're
here.
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
Okay,.
A
A
J
U
You
just
have
to
decide
whether
it
is
in
the
best
interest
and
reasonable
to
rezone
the
property
from
one
designation
to
another.
You
can't
consider
what
what
a
specific
project
might
be.
You
can
obviously
consider
what
all
the
different
types
of
projects
could
be
in
that
particular
zone
as
opposed
to
the
zone
it
currently
is,
but
a
rezoning
is
just
designating
more
or
less
uses
for
a
property.
Z
G
Thank
you
that
helps
a
lot.
Don't
wanna
get
out,
I
mean
I,
totally
support
what
is
going
on.
There.
I
was
just
out
of
the
loop
from
four
acres
to
here
and
two
hundred
and
twenty
some
acres
I'm
there
and
now
I'm
understanding
five
feet
here.
You
know
my
biggest
concern
and
for
our
constituents
out
there
is
you
know
that
we're
up
front
about
all
of
it
and
hope
we
got
the
highway
study
and
I
know
we
don't
make
them.
You
know
we
can
suggest
having
the
study
done,
but
now
we
I
think.
J
G
J
A
K
J
AA
F
AA
J
AA
AA
You
know:
Trina
Parker
Velez
led
our
operation
at
election
services
for
25
years,
and
then
she
took
off
for
Raleigh
right
at
the
end
of
the
municipal
action.
Her
last
day
was
November
the
13th
and,
as
we
enter
2020
the
board
of
elections,
we
knew
it
was
going
to
be
a
rough
year
for
a
lot
of
challenges,
but
we
didn't
count
on
having
to
do
a
higher,
but
you've
got
to
do
what
you
got
to
do.
So
we
just
pushed
the
head
supported
staff
best.
AA
We
could,
as
we
undertook
the
hiring
process
and
I
am
here
to
report
to
you
on
the
results
of
that
effort,
but
before
I
do
anything
more
I
would
like
to
thank
Joyce
Knable
who's
standing
over
by
the
wall
in
the
pink
top
Joyce
didn't
ask
for
this,
but
she
has
served
for
ennum
director
at
election
services.
For
the
past
12
weeks
now,
she's
been
with
election
services
for
the
past
10
years
or
so
and
is
informally.
Our
den
mother
Joyce
is
one
who
takes
care
of
us.
All.
AA
Joyce
is
just
a
super
person
who
the
positivity
flowing,
so
we
can
get
the
work
done
now.
We
asked
her
to
serve
as
interim
director
because
she
had
the
experience.
She
was
well
loved
and
respected
by
the
staff
and
she
did
not
apply
for
the
job.
We
did
not
want
to
make
interim
director
one
of
the
candidates
for
the
position.
We
didn't
think
that
was
fair
to
the
process.
AA
Now
choice
only
filled
this
role
for
12
weeks
only
12
weeks,
and
what
do
we
do?
Well,
we
finished
the
2019
municipal
elections
and
we
were
going
Woodfin.
We've
resolved
some
thorny
questions
surrounding
the
Asheville
City
Council
primary.
We
laid
the
foundation
for
developing
the
election
services
2021
budget.
Thank
you
so
much
for
that.
One
choice:
we
hired
and
trained
a
dozen
temporary
workers
for
2020.
We
opened
the
new
voter
information
center
over
at
the
Asheville,
mall
and
I
hope.
You've
all
had
a
chance
to
check
out.
AA
AA
Now,
that's
only
this,
the
high
level
stuff
that
I
know
about
then
there's
the
day-to-day
routine
of
Joyce
moving
everything
ahead
as
we
prepare
for
the
election
that
is
already
underway,
Joyce
from
the
bottom
of
my
heart
and
on
behalf
of
the
Board
of
Directors,
of
the
board,
the
board
of
elections
of
Buncombe
County.
Thank
you
so
much
for
your
outstanding
effort.
Z
AA
Is
eager
to
return
to
her
civilian
status,
but
that
recruitment
effort
was
huge
and
the
first
thing
I'd
like
to
do
is
thank
the
county
manager,
Avril
Pender
assistant,
Mountie
manager,
DK
Wesley
and
HR
specialist
Mary
Lunsford,
for
the
awesome
support
that
they
gave
the
Board
of
Elections,
because
the
five
of
us
had
not
done
this
before
and
there's
nothing
in
the
law
that
required
that
we
go
through
HR,
but
we
knew
that
was
the
best
way
to
serve
the
citizens
of
Buncombe
County
and
the
work
they
did
for
us
was
fantastic.
The
nationwide
search.
AA
We
got
40
applicants
coast-to-coast,
that's
right:
we
got
an
application
from
California
and
it
was
a
tough
process,
but
we
narrowed
it
down.
We
interviewed
13
of
those
people
on
the
telephone
and
they
were
narrowed
it
down.
Further.
We
interviewed
seven
of
them
in
person
and
I
want
you
to
know
that
out
of
out
of
those
seven
interviews,
four
of
them
were
internal
candidates.
That
is
how
good
that
is,
the
high
quality
of
the
staff
that
we
all
get
at
election
services
in
Buncombe
County
and
we're
mighty
fortunate
to
have
that
level
of
talent.
AA
So
my
four
colleagues
and
I
worked
long
and
hard.
We've
got
these
fabulous
candidates,
but
we've
got
to
make
a
decision
going
forward
and
we
finally
did.
We
went
through
it
all
we
spent
hours
we
spent
pace
and
it
was
a
tough
decision,
but
we
couldn't
be
more
pleased
or
more
proud
of
the
decision
we
made
and
we
hired
Corrine
Reid
uncles
for
Buncombe
County
Corrine.
Thank
you
very
much.
Z
AA
She
came
to
North
Carolina
from
Oregon
about
ten
years
ago
and
in
Oregon
she
earned
a
bachelor's
degree
in
environmental
science,
a
master's
degree
in
ecology.
One
of
my
favorite
elements
of
Koreans
background
was
the
two
summers
that
she
interned
with
NASA
yeah
yeah
doing
some
some
help
to
restore
some
salt
ponds
and
performing
extraterrestrial
research,
and
we
knew
that
was
the
key
qualification
collection
service,
but
seriously
when
we
announced
this
this
higher
to
the
staff.
AA
The
news
was
very
well
received
the
staff
we
have
a
family
down,
Alexan
services,
I,
don't
want
to
call
it
a
staff.
We
have
a
family,
it's
a
big
family,
but
they
really
work
well
together
and
seeing
the
strong
positive
reception
that
Kareem
received.
When
we
made
this
announcement,
the
board
was
that
much
more
reassured
that
we
had
made
a
wise
decision
so
I.
Thank
you
all
for
the
support
that
you
have
given
us
over
the
years
when
Trina
Velez
transformed
election
services
into
the
top
performing
election
services
in
the
state.
AA
A
B
A
E
A
Opposed
all
right,
there's
a
new
committee
that
we
are
appointing
a
citizen
advisory
group
together
for
the
strategic
partnership
grants
committee
and
the
County
Commission
spent
all
afternoon
last
week,
one
day
talking
to
a
lot
of
these
great
great
folks,
applying
for
this
very
hard
decision
to
make
costs
way
more
great
folks
than
we
have
positions
for
we're.
Appointing
three
citizens
to
represent
each
of
the
three
County
Commission
districts
in
Buncombe
County.
D
D
A
A
K
A
A
All
these
folks
have
backgrounds
that
make
them
very
well
qualify
for
this
board,
so
I
would
be
comfortable
with
any
of
them.
With
the
Commission
like
to
go
ahead
and
make
this
decision
this
evening,
or
we
could
you
know
we
could
do
interviews
for
them,
but
they
all
seem
like
great
great
applicants
are.
J
Thank
you
suggestion
chairman,
so
we
have
three
that
have
been
recommended.
Maybe
we
could
point
them
and
then
interview
the
other
two
and
take
one
from
them.
I
would
make
that
recommendation
if
you
wanna
do
that.
So
if,
if
everybody's
okay
with
that,
then
I'll
recommend
Scott,
McLean,
Sarah,
Hutchinson
and
Rodney
Imbler
and
we'll
interview
the
other
two
for
one
additional
point.
AB
A
A
F
F
AE
C
A
A
I'm
sure
there'll
be
a
variety
of
viewpoints
shared
on
this,
and
we
just
like
to
ask
that
everybody
who,
who
takes
her
time
to
talk
to
the
board
this
evening,
does
so
in
a
manner
that's
respectful
of
the
Chamber's
respectful
of
people
on
all
sides
of
this
issue
that
is
a
near
and
dear
to
a
lot
of
people.
Everybody
who
speaks
during
public
comment
will
have
three
minutes
up
to
three
minutes
to
to
speak.
A
When
you
get
an
orange
light,
it
means
you've
got
about
30
seconds
left
when
you
get
a
red
light,
it
means
your
time
is
up.
We
want
to
ask
everyone
to
please
respect
the
time
limit,
so
we
want
to
give
everyone
the
same
amount
of
time
to
be
able
to
speak
to
the
board.
So
when
your
time's
up,
please
wrap
it
up.
A
One
of
the
one
other
thing
I
would
ask:
is
that
folks,
in
the
audience,
not
cheer
or
boo,
anybody
who
speaks
of
whether
you
think
someone
made
the
most
brilliant
comments,
you've
ever
heard
or
whether
you
think
it's
the
worst
idea
you've
ever
heard.
We
want
folks
to
be
able
to
talk
to
the
board
and
and
and
to
have
their
chance
to
do
so.
So
please,
please
just
refrain
from
clapping
or
cheering
or
critiquing
anybody
during
the
public
comment
period.
A
I,
don't
know
that
anybody
has
any
signs
here,
but
if
you
do
we'd
ask
that
you
not
hold
them
up.
We
want
people
to
be
able
to
see
in
the
room,
so
you
can
hold
them
at
your
chest
if
you
want
to,
but
please
don't
hold
them
up
in
a
way
that
would
be
distracting
to
them
to
the
meeting.
All
right.
Thank
you
all
for
being
here,
I
think
what
we'll
do
and
then
we
got
a
lot
of
folks
here.
A
What
I'm
going
to
suggest
is
we
just
kind
of
start
over
on
this
side
of
the
room
and
you
can
raise
your
hand
and
I'll
kind
of
work
on
the
kind
of
the
first
rows
and
then
we'll
just
we'll
just
kind
of
work.
Our
way
back
so
we'll
start
over
here
with
mr.
Tracy
du
breul
and
then
and
then
you
you
may
go
next.
AD
AD
You
know:
Boston
Marathon,
hundreds,
thousands
of
people
running
down
the
road
and
on
the
backside
of
a
pillar,
the
bomber
turn
around
and
stuck
his
device
suppressing
his
own
device
and
blocking
blasting
back
only
getting
a
handful
of
people
when
his
target
was
on
the
other
side
in
Oklahoma
City
in
Oklahoma
City,
he
turned
around
and
with
basic
farm
equipment,
hata
ran
and
took
out
half
a
federal
building.
My
name
is
Tracy
Dubrow
I'm,
a
12-year
u.s.
AD
marine
and
I
was
an
ordnance
specialist
and
the
reason
we
used
the
five
five
six
or
the
0.223
round.
That's
so
commonly
familiar
with
ar-15
and
the
m16
is
because
it's
actually
the
least
lethal
least
lethal.
It's
the
size
of
your
kids
22
in
diameter.
You
know
and
the
reason
we
use
it
is
because
we
want
people
carrying
them
off
the
battlefield
and
medicating
them.
You
know
seven
to
one.
Is
the
ratio
to
take
care
of
one
wounded?
AD
We
are
a
nation,
that's
founded
on
for
the
people
by
the
people
and
what
that
means
is.
If
we,
as
a
governing
body,
are
doing
our
job,
then
they
can
have
all
the
guns
in
the
world
and
they'll
use
them
to
protect
us.
You
know,
and
so
I,
don't
think.
There's
any
reason.
When
any
citizen
stands
up
and
turn
around
says
hey,
we
want
something
to
to
protect
our
rights
to
guarantee
our
rights,
because
you
know,
as
you
see
the
red
stuff,
you
know
the
Redcoats
are
coming.
AD
You
know
they
put
nine
millimeter
whole
magazines
and
people
who
are
hopped
up
on
bath,
salts
and
and
stuff,
like
that,
you
know,
but
so
we
actually
have
good
gun
laws
and
I
don't
see,
there's
any
reason
they
should
ever
ask
anybody
to
take
them
away
or
to
change
them.
I
mean.
Maybe
we've
got
a
good
guideline.
AD
Well,
we
need
to
start
working
on
and
a
lot
of
reason,
I'm
running
it's,
because
with
my
experience,
my
training
is
actually
introduced,
methodology
and
ways
to
where
we
don't
have
to
worry
about
the
mass
violence
that
has
got.
Everybody
scared,
I'm,
gonna,
cut
my
time
short,
but
just
realize
we're
in
a
prohibition.
Happened,
crime
went
up,
you
know
less
is
more
all
right.
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
AF
Thank
you
for
allowing
me
to
be
here
tonight.
I
was
with
North
Carolina
Federation
Republican
men,
I'm
Freemont
Brown
I'm,
one
of
their
vice
presidents,
I
brought
in
tonight
a
plan
called
the
Second
Amendment
Protection
Act
I've
turned
it
into
you're
through
it,
whatever
the
gentleman
over
there,
along
with
a
petition
from
another
group
who
has
signatures
for
14
other
people.
This
is
real,
easy
folks,
it's
not
about
safety.
AF
It's
not
about
danger,
it's
about
our
rights
guaranteed
by
the
Second
Amendment
and
that
second
Amendment
says
shall
not
be
infringed,
and
that
means
no
rule
new
or
no
regulation,
no
law
concerning
arms
period
and
that
period
is
at
the
end
of
that
rule.
Now
the
reason
we're
at
this
point
marette,
where
we're
asking
for
our
rights
back,
is
because
in
the
last
hundred
years
or
so,
especially
since
1934
we've
lost
those
rights
piecemeal
by
piecemeal
because
we
haven't
stood
up
and
told
our
elected
officials
know.
AF
One
of
the
things
our
elected
officials
have
failed
to
understand
is
they're.
Oh
the
office.
In
many
cases
the
otha
office
says
you
shall
hear
a
hear,
support
and
protect
this.
You
know
the
constitutional
rights
of
the
people
of
the
United
States,
the
Constitution
and
the
Constitution
in
North
Carolina.
Well,
when
you
make
all
these
unconstitutional
rules,
you're,
not
respecting
your
oath,
and
we
need
you
to
stand
up,
be
a
moral
person
and
adhere
to
your
oath.
AF
It
may
be
brutal,
may
be
nasty
to
you
and
I'm
not
pointing
to
any
one
particular
one
of
you,
because
I'm
sure
you
most
of
you
weren't
even
around
when
some
of
these
laws
were
made,
but
it's
up
to
you
to
put
them
back
where
they
belong.
Remove
these
laws
and
you'll
be
much
safer.
The
reason
it's
there
is
not
because
of
safety,
which
everybody
wants
to
scream
about.
It's,
because
if
your
government
gets
carried
away,
you
have
the
way
of
taking
back
your
government
and
that's
the
way
it
was
back
in
the
beginning.
AF
AG
Thank
You,
chairman
and
commissioners
for
allowing
us
to
speak
today.
My
name
is
Tom
van
slam,
Brock
from
here
in
Macomb,
County
and
I
am
here
for
the
same
reason
to
voice
my
concerns
and
my
need
for
you
to
understand
that
I'm
not
going
to
pretend
that
the
mass
shootings
and
things
that
happen
here
and
around
our
country
and
and
all
across
the
world
are
irrelevant.
AG
They
are
very,
very
important
to
me
and
I
would
love
to
see
them
stop,
but
we
cannot
let
the
people
who
go
around
deranged
and
doing
these
shootings
that
not
know
normal
persons
not
going
to
go
out
and
kill
a
whole
bunch
of
people
or
what
we
want
to
know
is.
Can
you
support
us?
Our
Constitution
says
that
that
it's
our
right
I'm
not
going
to
say
that
it
should
be
a
sanctuary
County.
It
should
be
constitutionally
protected.
AG
It
should
be
these
laws
that
they
want
to
create
out
there
saying
that
we
don't
have
the
right
or
they
want
to
take
away
this
type
of
gun
or
that
type
of
gun.
It
doesn't
say
anywhere
in
there
that
we
should
be
limited
to
what
we
can
can
carry
I'm
sure
that
most
of
the
folks
in
this
room
are
law-abiding
citizens,
and
you
wouldn't
have
any
problem,
as
you
see
tonight,
they
may
have
them
outside.
They
may
be
at
their
house,
but
these
are
law-abiding
citizens
and
they
deserve
to
be
able
to
protect
themselves.
AG
It
is
to
me
it
is
about
safety.
It's
about
me
being
protect
my
wife
me
being
a
protected
the
gentleman
next
to
her
and
every
one
of
you
out.
There
needs
somebody
to
watch
your
back,
the
church
shooting
that
we
just
had
where
the
gentleman
was
taken
out.
He
was
taken
out
because
of
one
of
us
here,
one
of
us
that
carry
our
weapons
to
defend
everyone
around
us.
AG
AH
I'm,
sorry,
is
that
better,
my
name
is
Michael
Klein
I've
lived
in
Buncombe
County
since
88,
although
I'm
not
obviously
originally
from
this
state
I
went
to
Asheville
High,
School
and
graduated
in
93,
and
while
I
was
there,
we
had
both
indoor
and
outdoor
shooting
ranges.
We
had
firearms
on
the
premises,
not
BB
guns,
not
airsoft
like
they
do
today,
and
no
one
was
ever
injured.
No
one
was
ever
shot
because
we
were
taught
respect.
AH
We
were
taught
that
owning
a
gun
and
having
a
gun
and
using
a
gun
is
a
privilege,
and
you
have
to
take
responsibility
with
that
kind
of
a
great
privilege
when
I
left
high
school
I
joined
the
Navy.
Where
and
even
though
I
was
sent
to
an
active
war
zone,
I
never
had
to
fire
any
of
our
weapons
and
again
no
one
was
ever
hurt.
No
one
was
ever
injured
by
any
of
these
weapons
and
most
recently
that
I
think
the
best
example
is
in
Virginia,
where
these
20
thousand
people
got
together
peacefully.
AH
There
weren't
any
buildings
looted
there
weren't
any
cop
cars
flipped
over.
No
local
businesses
had
their
window
smashed
in
everybody
behaved
themselves.
Everybody
was
peaceful
because
at
the
end
of
the
day,
what
it
comes
down
to
it
does
not
matter
what
a
man
has
in
his
hand.
If
he
has
an
intention
to
kill
in
his
heart
a
lot
of
people
act
like
before
the
invention
of
the
gun.
Everybody
was
just
perfectly
peaceful
and
everybody
got
along.
That's
couldn't
be
further
from
the
truth.
People
have
been
killing
each
other
for
any
number
of
perceived
grievances.
AH
Difference
of
religion,
I
want
something
you
have,
and
you
don't
want
to
give
it
to
me,
and
so
they
use
rocks,
sticks
slowly.
It
developed
over
time
and
to
other
weapons,
but
still
good
people
don't
do
bad
things
and
I
truly
feel
that
the
potential
for
abuse
with
red
flag
laws
are
far
outweigh
any
benefit
that
they
would
that
they
would
provide
for
us.
AH
So
I
think
we
need
to
put
more
emphasis
on
the
laws
we
have
and
take
away
some
of
the
stigma
that
goes
along
with
I
guess:
mental
instability
of
people
who
don't
come
forward.
You
know
we're
trying
to
rely
on
our
neighbors
to
go
and
ferret
out
who's
unstable,
but
if
we
let
them
know
that
it's
okay
to
come
forward
and
get
help,
then
they
won't
have
to
hide.
Thank.
A
AI
A
AI
Thanks
y'all:
well
thanks
everybody
for
having
this
hearing
meeting
we're
going
to
call
it
I
want
to
share.
My
name
is
Bernard
Carmen
I've
been
around
the
area
of
since
the
mid,
80s
or
so
kind
of
got
kicked
out
of
Asheville
a
long
story,
but
anyway,
I
want
to
I'm
speaking
on
behalf
of
natural
rights
and
I
want
to
share
a
few
natural
rights
to
self-defense
facts,
because
there's
a
lot
of
fiction
going
on
right
now,
especially
so.
The
first
section
involves
ineffectiveness,
dangerousness
and
deceit
of
public
servants
when
dealing
with
gun
regulations.
AI
First
of
all,
I
want
to
start
out
by
saying
no
gun
regulation
will
ever
serve
to
minimize
violence.
Rather,
nearly
every
gun
regulation
serves
to
maximize
violence
by
only
regulating
law-abiding
citizens,
especially
helpless
victims,
songs,
otherwise
known
as
gun-free
zones,
which
caused
peaceful
people
to
be
disarmed
and
therefore
become
easy
prey
for
violent
non
law-abiding
citizens
and
criminals.
Actually,
gun
regulations
only
serve
to
regulate
individuals
who
obey
the
rule
of
law.
AI
Lee
routinely
advance
blatant
deceit
regarding
firearms,
for
example,
likening
semi-automatic
rifles
which
function
no
differently
from
century-old
hunting
rifles
as
assault
weapons,
so-called
assault
weapons,
giving
the
masses
false
data
upon
which
to
base
public
opinion.
The
rephrase
assault
weapon
is
deceitful,
as
common
knowledge
dictates
that
weapons
use
for
both
offensive
and
defensive
actions.
AI
No
firearm
regulation
can
ever
prevent
a
non
law-abiding,
violent
individual
from
initiating
aggression
against
law-abiding
citizens.
Therefore,
regulating
firearms
or
their
magazines
in
any
way
only
prevents
peaceful
people
from
protecting
ourselves,
our
loved
ones
and
our
neighbors
from
such
violent
individuals.
Those
who
Ronia
Slee
disagree
with
this
fact
need
to
consider
the
failed
and
destructive
war
on
drugs,
which
has
never
prevented
access
to
any
drug
on
the
black-market
Law
Enforcement
Against
Prohibition
leaf
has
much
truthful
information
regarding
this
subject.
Bottom
line
in
this
section
I
want
to
make
sure
and
resonate
with
everybody.
AI
Is
that
reasonable
or
common-sense
so-called
gun
regulations
do
not
exist?
They
are
nearly
all
effective
and
dangerous.
The
next
section
deals
with
the
legal
duty
of
public
servants
toward
healthy
societal
relationship,
bureaucrats
and
law
enforcement
officers.
Advancing
firearm
regulations,
especially
confiscations
of
any
kind
violate,
violate
the
oath
of
office.
Each
one
takes
to
defend
the
US
Constitution
and
by
doing
so,
they
disqualify
their
official
and
legal
authority
creating
more
ineffective
and
dangerous.
AI
Firearm
regulations
will
serve
to
further
aggravate
the
relationship
between
peaceful
American
citizens
and
law
enforcement,
because
Ellie
OS
will
be
ordered
to
also
violate
their
oath
of
office,
as
well
as
the
natural
rights
of
their
own
countrymen.
Further
pitting
the
people
against
Ellie
O's
in
like
manner
as
has
been
done
via
the
failed
and
destructive
war
on
drugs.
As
previously
noted,
it's
the
duty
of
American
citizens
and
Ellie
O's
to
resist
and
disobey
officials
who
have
so
violated
their
just
Authority,
which
was
granted
by
the
people.
AI
These
public
servants
have
not
been
held
accountable
for
such
legal
violations,
which
begs
the
question:
if
there
is
no
penalty
for
public
servants
who
violate
their
oath
of
office,
what
is
the
point
of
taking
the
oath
of
office
to
begin
with
now
this
next
last
section
basically
but
deals
with
potential
dire
consequences
of
natural
right
to
self-defense
violations
and
usurpations.
Our
natural
rights
are
rooted
in
natural
law
and
originated
from
our
creator,
nature
or
nature's
God,
not
the
US
Constitution.
AI
The
US
Constitution
is
merely
a
guarantor
of
our
natural
rights
in
a
legal
framework
by
which
to
limit
the
state,
not
the
people.
Natural
rights,
as
derived
from
natural
law,
are
not
negotiable
via
any
so-called
Democratic
majority
rules
process,
no
collective
of
individuals
can
justly
violate
or
usurp
natural
rights.
This
principle
was
so
important
to
the
American
founders
that
they
installed
into
the
nation's
law.
Various
anti-democratic
mechanisms.
However,
the
masses
have
little
to
no
clue
what
constitutes
a
natural
right.
AI
It
appears
that
the
overwhelming
majority
among
the
masses
erroneously
believe
that
so-called
rights
originated
from
the
state,
the
altering
or
removal
of
the
Second
Amendment
of
the
United
States
Constitution,
and
no
way
alienates
from
us
our
individual
natural
right
to
self-defence,
which
always
stands
regardless
of
corrupt
and
unjust
legislation.
Therefore,
regardless
of
legislators,
actions
at
the
local
state
or
federal
levels
of
government,
many
Americans
consider
all
counties
as
perpetually
being.
AI
To
understand
all
this
better.
It's
paramount
to
consider
the
math,
if
only
one
dog,
sorry,
if
only
0.1%
of
the
American
population
refuses
to
submit
to
any
kind
of
gun,
confiscation
legislation.
Those
who
those
who
so
insist
on
such
disarmament
must
force
of
the
state
realize
they
must
have
to
murder
300,000
Americans,
who
have
never
had
a
history
of
violence.
If
that
number
is
anywhere
from
1%
to
10%,
they
will
have
to
murder
anywhere
between
three
point
three
to
ten
million
Americans
to
achieve
their
political
goal
of
disarming
the
people.
AI
Therefore,
logic
and
reason
dictates
that
not
one
single
individual
argument
for
gun
bans
or
not
I'm,
sorry,
that
not
one
single
individual
who
is
arguing
for
gun
bans
or
gun
registration
is
offering
any
actions
that
would
actually
reduce
gun
violence.
All
such
actions
and
not
just
gun
violence
is
violence
in
general.
All
such
actions
can
only
greatly
increase
violence
and
further
widen
divisions
between
civilians
and
Ellie
OS,
which
have
been
born
out
of
ignorance,
hatred
and
even
so-called
racism.
AI
As
many
neo
American
gun
regulations
originated
with
Jim
Crow
laws,
it
is
an
outrageous
fraud
to
claim
to
be
against
gun
violence
when
the
actual
position
being
taken
is
to
be
willing
to
murder,
millions
of
innocent
and
otherwise
potential
Americans
to
obtain
a
political
goal
from
the
few.
Just
a
couple
of
minutes
left
I,
don't
even
take
up
the
whole
time
couple
personal
notes,
if
you
want
to
make
a
note
that
a
firearms
necessity
is
akin
to
that
of
a
fire
extinguisher.
We
probably
already
heard
this
everyone's
already
heard
this
right.
AI
It's
not
needed
until
it's
needed
hate.
History
dictates
that
every
every
so
often
both
are
very
much
needed.
I
have
no
history
personally.
I
have
no
history
of
violence,
yet
because
I
am
willing
to
stand
up
against
state
tyranny,
of
which
I
have
a
unique
personal
experience
here
in
Asheville,
I
have
been
called
violent,
even
by
son,
who
apparently
remain
ignorant
to
the
fact
that
violence
is
only
justly
attributed
to
an
aggressor,
not
one
who
is
defending
oneself
in
which,
in
which
case,
it's
called
self-defense.
AI
We
have
to
draw
hell
proverbial
ID
in
the
Seine
at
this
point,
which
reads:
Mullin
lob,
that's
pretty
much
where
we're
at
at
this
point,
so
we
ask
Council
to
do
the
sensible
thing,
show
a
lot
of
wisdom
and
what's
going
on
here
and
if
you
really
want
to
serve
the
people,
Buncombe
County
you'll
know
what
to
do.
Thank
you.
AK
AJ
My
name
is
Sandra
Engle
I'm
from
Buncombe
County
resident
my
whole
entire
life
I'm.
Not
here
to
ask
you
to
change
anything
I'm
just
here
to
ask
you
to
protect
what
we
have
left
I'm,
a
single
mother
I
am
the
sole
provider
and
protector
of
my
family
and
I
use
a
gun
to
protect
my
family
and
I'm.
Asking
you
not
to
take
that
away.
I'm
asking
you
to
protect
that
help
me
to
protect
my
family
I'm,
a
law-abiding
citizen,
I,
abide
by
the
gun
laws
that
there
are
now
they
only
affect
law-abiding
citizens.
AJ
AL
All
right,
thank
you
for
the
privilege
to
speak.
My
name
is
Jeremy
Jones
and
I'm.
A
native
of
Asheville
North,
Carolina
resident
of
Buncombe
County
I
was
born
right
here
in
our
local
hospital
35
years
ago,
in
1985,
I
have
a
law-abiding
citizen
and,
as
you
can
see,
I'm
here
in
a
professional
manner
and
I
speak
peacefully.
I'm
a
born-again,
Christian
and
I
believe
the
Bible
to
be
God's
Word.
There's
a
book
in
the
Bible
written
by
a
man
named
Nehemiah.
AL
It
tells
the
history
of
a
northern
kingdoms
army
breaching
the
defensive
walls
of
a
city
that
we
know
called
Jerusalem.
There
was
horrible
massacre
in
the
city
and
several
thousand
prisoners
of
war.
Years
later,
the
author
of
this
book
Nehemiah
was
tasked
to
lead
a
group
of
men
to
rebuild
the
walls
of
this
city.
They
were
opposed
and
they
were
attacked,
but
they
accomplished
this
great
feat.
By
one
simple
strategy:
they
worked
with
a
toll
in
one
hand
and
a
weapon
in
the
other.
AL
They
remembered
the
massacre
when
their
government
failed
to
protect
him
and
they
claimed
the
right
to
protect
themselves
to
protect
their
families
to
protect
their
city
in
2008.
In
the
trial
of
the
district
Lamia
vs.
Heller,
the
court,
the
Supreme
Court
confirmed
that
the
Second
Amendment
adhered
to
individuals
I
stand
before
you
today,
an
individual
I
am
the
people.
I
represent
not
only
myself
but
my
family
as
well.
You
see
my
wife
trusts
me
to
protect
her.
My
two-year-old
son
cannot
protect
himself
and
therefore
relies
on
me
to
keep
him
safe.
AL
It
is
my
god-given
responsibility
to
protect
my
family,
as
is
every
man.
Every
husband,
wife,
father
mother,
brother
and
sister.
The
Second
Amendment
maintains
our
rights
to
protect
our
families
against
any
and
all
imminent
threats.
When
these
rights
are
infringed,
we
are
put
at
an
extreme
and
unconstitutional
disadvantage.
Every
law-abiding
citizen
is,
and
the
problem
still
does
not
change.
Evil
godless
people
exist
and
some
murder,
some
rape
and
some
abduct
the
evil
godless
governments
exist
as
well,
and
we've
seen
the
devastation
they
can
cause
on
a
defenseless
nation.
AL
AL
Please
do
everything
that
you
can
and
that
you
should
do
to
protect
our
rights
fulfill
your
oath
and
office
well
and
protect
the
rights
of
the
people
in
closing
regarding
the
safety
of
every
citizen.
If
people
were
willing
to
die
to
have
these
rights,
why
would
anyone
think
that
people
wouldn't
be
willing
to
die
to
keep
them?
Thank
you.
AC
AC
Be
fine.
Thank
you.
Two
weeks
ago,
my
colleague
Miss
Hannah,
Honeycutt
and
I
offered
the
Board
of
Commissioners
and
opportunity.
We
offered
an
opportunity
for
you
to
show
the
citizens
and
the
employees
of
Buncombe
County
that
your
words
committing
to
transparency
and
responsible
oversight
would
be
followed
up
with
actions
by
the
board
of
Commission.
AC
Since
the
last
meeting,
numerous
employees
have
contacted
Ms,
Honeycutt
and
I
and
expressed
their
concerns
with
the
changes
towards
our
health
care
benefits
being
pushed
forward
without
any
oversight
from
the
board
of
Commission,
a
small
number
of
those
employees
I
know
have
contacted
you
all
directly
to
voice
their
concerns.
Many
other
employees
have
asked
miss
Honeycutt
and
I
if
we
were
worried
about
any
repercussions
for
speaking
out
on
this
issue.
Think
about
that
for
just
a
second.
AC
What
we
are
asking
the
commissioners
to
do
is
hold
a
public
debate
and
hold
a
vote
on
an
issue
that
affects
both
employees
and
taxpayers.
That's
our
that's
our
request,
so
the
culture
of
fear
that
is
so
entrenched
in
the
employees
and
the
work
workers
of
Buncombe
County
from
our
previous
administrations
is
so
entrenched
that
just
that
simple
request
raises
fear
in
the
minds
of
employees,
but
take
heart,
because
there
is
hope
and
it's
easily
attainable,
because
you
all
can
take
action.
AC
You
all
can
take
action
and
show
that
each
employee
and
each
citizen
that
you
are
committed
to
transparency
and
responsible
oversight.
Let
me
be
clear:
I
understand
that
the
County
legal
department
is
taking
a
strained
legal
opinion
that
you
do
not
need
to
consider
these
changes
as
an
attorney
I
disagree
with
my
colleague.
My
position
is
that
there
is
nothing
that
is
preventing
you
from
taking
on
this
debate
and
this
vote.
So
I
would
ask
you
to
choose
transparency
and
responsible
oversight.
AC
Our
County's
motto
is
people
to
match
our
mountains
seated
in
this
room
and
in
the
overflow
room
are
my
fellow
employees,
people
that
come
into
work
every
day
to
do
their
best
for
Buncombe
County?
We
know
that
we
are
people
to
match
our
mountains
and
we're
here
to
demand
that
you,
the
Board
of
Commissioners,
be
leaders
to
match
our
people.
Thank
you.
A
I
Commissioners,
my
name
is
Hanna
Honeycutt
I
live
in
Asheville
North,
Carolina
I
also
work
for
Buncombe
County
with
mr.
Putnam.
Mr.
Putnam
spoke
generally
about
the
issues
that
the
fellow
County
employees
have
brought
to
our
attention.
I
want
to
speak
more
specifically
about
some
issues
that
the
county
employees
have
brought
to
my
attention,
as
they've
asked
me
to
bring
them
to
y'all's
attention.
The
first
issue
that
a
lot
of
county
employees
are
concerned
about
are
the
county
health
fairs.
As
you
all
know,
we
have
to
attend
these
health
fairs
or
go
to
our
doctor.
I
To
have
measurements
taken
medical
measurements
and
to
have
our
blood
drawn.
Employees
have
expressed
concerns
that
there's
a
lack
of
privacy
that
you
can
hear
other
people's
health
information
being
shared
they've
expressed
concerns
that
the
folks
who
are
performing
these
medical
tasks
do
not
appear
well
qualified.
There
have
been
stories
circulating
throughout
the
department
that
County
employees
have
been
exposed
to
the
blood
of
other
participants.
This
is
obviously
a
huge
violation
of
universal
precautions
and
could
expose
folks
to
blood-borne
diseases
of
other
folks.
I
We
would
ask
the
commissioners
to
look
into
that
to
ensure
that
the
folks
who
are
taking
our
blood
are
qualified.
We've
also
heard
stories
about
people
who
have
gone
to
these
health
fairs
and
have
received
results
that
are
very
different
from
the
results
they
receive
when
they
go
to
their
medical
doctors.
I've
heard
there
will
be
an
appeals
process,
but
no
information
has
been
provided
to
employees
about
how
to
start
that
appeals
process.
Employees
are
also
concerned
about
the
validity
of
this
program.
I
County
admin
has
provided
us
with
statistics
that
seem
a
little
too
convenient
about
how
this
Wellness
Program
is
going
to
save
taxpayers
money
in
the
long
run
county
employees
want
to
know
who
did
these
studies,
where
these
studies
performed
by
the
folks
who
are
benefiting,
who
are
profiting
from
this
contract
county
employees,
want
to
know
if
we
have
to
submit
our
blood
our
medical
information
at
this
person?
How
do
we
know
that
it's
going
to
a
valid
purpose?
I
We
want
you
all
to
consider
that
when
you
have
this
meeting
in
two
weeks,
we
want
you
all
to
ask
those
questions.
Since
we
have
not
been
asked
those
than
given
the
opportunity
to
ask
those
questions-
and
even
if
we
have
been
a
lot
of
folks
as
mr.
Putnam
mentioned-
don't
feel
safe
coming
forward.
A
lot
of
people
are
concerned
about
discrimination.
It's
not
just
that
we
have
to
provide
our
blood
or
that
we
have
to
go
see
a
doctor.
We
also
have
to
provide
additional
information-
women,
in
particular
reproductive
health
information.
I
We
were
told
that
we
could
not.
We
could
elect
not
to
provide
that
information,
but
it
may
affect
our
health
score.
Another
female
employee
asked,
if
that
would
impact
our
ability
to
receive
the
same
benefits.
She
was
not
answered.
Trans
employees
and
non-binary
employees
are
concerned
about
how
they
will
be
impacted
by
this
one-size-fits-all
health
risk
score
that
the
county
is
applying
they're
concerned
about
discrimination.
I
Older
employees
are
concerned,
folks
who
have
genetic
issues
like
high
BMI
or
genetic
metabolic
disorders,
are
concerned
about
discrimination
as
well.
So
we
would
ask
the
commissioners,
when
you
all
meet
next
in
two
weeks,
to
ask
these
tough
questions
and
report
back
to
employees,
so
we
know
that
we
are
being
heard.
Thank
you.
R
R
What
I
have
to
say
concerns
our
Second
Amendment
right
and
what
I
have
to
say
is
geared
towards
our
general
current
political
environment.
No,
it
does
not
point
fingers
at
any
one
particular
person,
but
I
would
ask
that
people
take
a
moment
just
to
listen
and
to
understand
where
we
sit
with
our
current
political
environment.
Our
founding
fathers
instituted
the
first
and
the
second
amendment
with
the
wholehearted
understanding
when
they
go
hand
in
hand.
The
second
was
required
to
defend
the
first.
R
It
was
an
unfortunate
necessity
that
we
were
required
to
even
have
to
include
this
in
our
Constitution
and
that
we
still
have
to
fight
for
these
basic
rights.
Today,
as
the
legal
law
abiding
citizen
of
this
country,
it
is
my
right
as
a
human
to
be
able
to
defend
myself
and
my
family
against
all
dangers,
foreign
and
domestic.
This
is
not
a
right
that
any
government
can
give
or
take
away.
R
We
have
an
innate
right
to
voice
our
opinions
to
be
a
voice
against
tyranny
and
to
defend
those
freedoms
at
any
cost,
especially
when
some
of
those
in
justices
are
being
perpetrated
by
corrupt
elements
in
our
own
government.
There
are
current
elements
in
our
government
that
are
working
to
circumvent
our
basic
rights
in
an
attempt
to
convert
a
republic
into
a
socialist
state.
The
legal
citizen
majority
did
not
sign
up
for
socialism.
Our
ancestors
did
not
fight
and
die
for
socialism,
and
we
will
not
sit
idly
by
and
watch
it
happen.
R
It
is
up
to
our
local
government
to
stand
up
for
the
citizens
of
our
community.
Do
what
you
were
voted
into
office
to
do
represent
the
constitutional
rights
of
the
citizens
less.
We
have
to
vote
to
find
some
that
will
or
we
be
forced
to
do
it
ourselves.
Those
are
the
founding
principles
of
our
Constitution.
R
I
am
a
gun
owner
and
if
certain
elements
and
our
government
have
their
way,
the
probability
of
being
able
to
defend
myself
will
be
taken
away
and
I
will
be
at
the
mercy
of
her
tyrannical
government
and
the
criminal
element
that
resides
in
our
society.
Buncombe
County
already
has
excessive
laws
in
place
that
vets
gun
owners
with
background
and
mental
health
checks.
It's
not
the
law-abiding
citizenry
that
we
need
to
be
concerned
with.
Yet
we
are
the
ones
that
pay
the
penalty.
R
R
A
AM
Good
evening,
I
am
a
resident
of
Buncombe
County
and
I
support
the
movement
to
make
Buncombe
County
a
second
amendment,
sanctuary
County
for
several
reasons.
First
of
all,
women
in
particular,
should
have
access
to
firearms
in
order
to
protect
themselves
and
their
families.
It
takes
far
less
practice
time
for
most
women,
especially
petite
ones,
to
learn
to
safely
and
effectively
use
semi-automatic
sporting
rifles,
including
ar-15s.
AM
Then
it
takes
for
us
to
learn
to
control
a
shotgun
or
a
handgun.
These
very
rifles
that
are
easy
for
women
to
use
are
classified
as
assault
weapons
in
the
laws
proposed
in
Virginia
and
in
our
own
State
Legislature
magazine
capacity.
Restrictions
are
also
unfair
to
women.
I
have
shown
several
women
how
to
fire
handguns
and
they
have
universally
agreed
that
a
full
size
pistol
is
easier
to
control
and
less
intimidating
than
a
compact
pistol.
With
a
smaller
magazine.
AM
They
are
also
surprised
at
how
quickly
five
to
ten
shots
can
be
fired
and
feel
more
confident
that
a
larger
magazine
would
give
them
the
best
protection,
especially
against
multiple
invaders
of
their
home.
I.
Also
support
being
a
second
amendment
sanctuary
because
the
firearms
restrictions
proposed
in
Virginia
and
North
Carolina
place
an
unfair
burden
on
low-income
families,
including
single
women
and
single
mothers.
Finding
the
right
firearm
for
a
particular
woman
or
particular
family
situation
takes
time
and
research.
AM
Imposing
new
laws
so
that
a
firearm
that
a
low-income
family
purchased
legally
is
no
longer
legal
or
laws
that
require
these
families
to
purchase
new,
smaller
magazines
that
may
work
less
reliably
with
their
guns.
Simply
because
some
policy
maker
has
decided
that
ten
rounds
is
all
anyone
possibly
needs
to
protect
their
family
is
bureaucracy
at
its
worst.
AM
I
also
believe.
Restricting
rifles
is
short-sighted.
In
many
places
and
times
the
unarmed
populace
has
been
threatened
by
armed
aggressors.
Women
from
El,
Salvador,
Honduras
and
Guatemala
were
threatened
by
armed
cartels
and
forced
to
flee
here
as
refugees.
Civilians
in
England
in
World
War,
two
faced
armed
German
pilots
shot
down
over
their
fields
in
Swat,
Pakistan
Swat
was
invaded
by
armed
Taliban,
who
first
targeted
the
police
force
and
then
imposed
their
version
of
Sharia
law.
Oppressing
SWOTs
women
and
making
illegal
for
girls
like
Malala
yousafzai
to
go
to
school.
AM
AN
Good
evening,
Thank
You
commissioners
for
allowing
me
to
be
here
today.
My
name
is
Kirk
D
Lyons
from
Black
Mountain
I'm,
a
member
of
the
Western
North
Carolina
Liberty
coalition
I'm,
also
an
attorney
member
of
the
world's
second
oldest
profession,
in
the
only
profession
that
Christ
specifically
condemned
when
he
was
on
earth.
When
he
said,
woe
unto
you,
lawyers,
as
a
member
of
the
Buncombe
County
community
I'm
here,
to
show
support
for
the
resolution
presented
to
make
Buncombe
County
a
Second,
Amendment
sanctuary
County.
AN
We
are
here
today
because
of
the
actions
taking
place
in
our
sister
state
Virginia,
where
the
royal
governor
their
Lord
done.
Excuse
me
not
Lord
Dunmore
governor
Northam
has
been
proposing
confiscatory
gun
laws
to
the
Virginia
House
of
Delegates
that
have
been
crossing
the
border
over
here.
We're
hearing
noises
about
it
in
Raleigh
and
that's
where
you
all
come
in.
AN
We
are
here
to
ask
you
to
interpose
yourself
from
the
citizens
of
Macomb
County
from
any
confiscatory
gun
laws,
our
gun
laws
coming
out
of
Raleigh
or
Washington
DC
that
are
unconstitutional
or
add
to
anything
to
burden
the
Second
Amendment,
the
Second
Amendment,
which
of
course
says
the
right
to
keep
and
bear
Arms
shall
not
be
infringed,
which
is
an
inalienable
right.
It's
not
a
right
given
to
us
by
the
government.
It's
a
god-given
right
and
only
God
can
take
that
right
away.
AN
If
these
laws
are
passed
in
our
state
legislature
or
in
our
national
capital,
we
will
be
helpless
and
will
be
put
to
the
decision.
Do
we
obey
or
not,
do
we
lay
down
and
and
allow
the
government
to
trample
us?
No,
your
duty
is
clear.
You
are
the
lesser
magistrates.
It
is
your
duty
to
end
with
the
sheriff
of
Buncombe
County,
as
the
highest
elected
law-enforcement
official
account
to
interpose
yourself
between
the
higher
ranges
of
government
in
the
state
and
the
national
government
to
those
of
us,
the
citizens
in
Buncombe
County.
AN
That
is
called
the
interposition
of
the
lesser
magistrate,
a
legal
term
that
our
ancestors
in
the
American
Revolution
knew
very
well.
That
is
a
reasonable
thing
to
do.
Of
course,
if
you
pass
a
resolution,
it
is
just
the
opinion
of
the
body,
but
it
is
needed
in
this
day
and
age.
We
need
to
hear
that
our
rights
will
not
be
further
infringed
because
the
people,
frankly
the
gun,
owning
law-abiding
citizens
of
this
county,
will
not
tolerate
further
infringement
of
our
liberties,
especially
where
it
comes
to
the
Second
Amendment.
Thank
you
very
much.
AO
Mr.
chairman,
members
of
the
fellow
commissioners,
thank
you
for
giving
me
the
opportunity
to
speak.
My
name
is
Louis
Galloway
I'm,
a
resident
of
Black
Mountain
I,
represent
a
group
called
Swannanoa
Valley
neighbors
for
gun
safety.
We
have
about
a
hundred
and
fifty
members
of
our
group
and
three
others
are
here
with
us.
You'll
stand
and
they
yield
their
time.
AO
First,
we
want
to
express
our
deep
sympathy
for
the
family
of
Mike
fryer.
He
was
our
district
commissioner,
and
we
extend
our
prayers
for
love
and
care
to
his
family
and
are
grateful
for
his
service
to
our
community
and
all
the
good
that
he
has
done
well.
Gun
violence
in
America
has
become
a
national
public
health
crisis.
AO
Just
this
past
weekend,
a
man
with
obvious
mental
difficulties
killed
a
woman
on
a
Greyhound
bus
and
injured
five
others
we
grieve
for
about
24
hours,
and
then
we
move
on
and
pretend
as
if
nothing
has
changed,
nothing
has
happened.
Mass
shootings
are
at
historic,
high
level
in
our
country.
In
the
United
States,
on
average,
there
100
deaths
a
day
from
gun
violence.
We
lead
the
world
in
mass
shootings
and
suicide
through
gun,
violence
has
reached
epidemic
levels.
AO
There
are
more,
it
is
estimated
393
million
guns
in
private
hands
in
the
United
States
out
of
an
estimated
857
million
guns
worldwide,
a
disproportionate
number
of
guns
in
our
country.
The
sheer
number
and
availability
of
assault,
weapons
and
guns
with
high-capacity
magazines
are
a
contributing
factor
to
this
horrific
gun
violence
in
our
society.
We
support
the
Second
Amendment.
The
Second
Amendment
provides
for
the
right
of
citizens
to
bear
arms.
AP
I
got
30
seconds
after
the
yellow
light.
Yes,
sir.
Thank
you.
I'm
Michael,
Morgan
I'm,
a
native
of
Arkin
County
I,
was
born
and
raised
right
here
when
we
went
to
high
school.
We
put
our
shotguns
in
the
back
window
of
the
truck
in
the
gun,
rack
and
we
went
into
school
and
didn't
lock
the
truck
and
we
came
out
after
school
and
we
went
hunting
till
dark.
I.
AP
Don't
know,
what's
happened
to
people
in
that
time
period,
but
it
wasn't
the
guns
that
were
the
problem
being
and
I,
don't
want
to
waste
my
time
correcting
this
gentleman,
but
he
couldn't
be
100
people
a
day,
get
killed,
cuz
only
14,000
got
killed
last
year
by
guns,
and
maybe
not
that
many
and
maybe
50,000
by
cars.
I
want
to
talk
to
you
about
the
bluff
of
bread
principal
please.
AP
If
you
got
a
loaf
of
bread
and
you
make
one
sandwich,
you
got
much
to
live
for
loaf
of
bread
left
and
you
don't
mention
miss
the
two
slices
that
you've
used.
But
if
you
just
keep
taking
the
slice
off
and
the
slice
off
and
a
slice
off
pretty
soon,
you
have
no
loaf
of
bread
left
now,
you're
talking
about
red
flag
laws,
that's
a
new
one!
They've
already
talking
about
magazine
capacity,
and
this
kind
of
rifle
is
no
good
and
that
kind
of
rifle
is
supposed
to
be
banned.
I
think
it
was
Justice
Marshall.
AP
Another
lawyer
may
know
better
than
me.
He
said
any
law
you
make
that
violates
the
Constitution.
It's
not
allow!
You
can't
make
a
law
that
violates
the
Constitution,
so
your
red
flag
law
is
illegal
to
start
with,
and
the
lady
about
needing
the
gun
to
protect
her
and
her
family
I
believe
if
a
woman
gets
a
restraining
order
against
a
man,
the
judge
give
her
a
pistol
to
go
with
that
piece
of
paper.
The
piece
of
paper
is
worthless.
Now
a
pistol
gives
her
something
to
protect
yourself
here.
AP
A
AP
Don't
really
need
a
whole
lot
of
more
time.
I
believe
I've
got
the
point
across
as
a
convicted
felon
myself
in
the
past,
I
can
get
a
gun
any
minute
from
the
time.
I
walked
out
of
the
courtroom
as
a
convicted.
Felon
I
had
access
to
all
kind
of
weapons,
friends
weapons
because
breaking
the
house
is
still
one
and
the
150
people
in
Buncombe
County.
Who
would
don't
want
guns?
I?
AP
A
AI
W
You,
my
name,
is
Jason
Brodsky
I'm,
a
resident
of
bunkin,
County
and
I
would
like
to
see.
Buncombe
County
become
a
second
amendment
sanctuary.
When
we
talk
about
further
restrictions
to
our
constitutional
amendments,
we
do
a
disservice
to
our
society,
since
we
take
the
focus
from
personal
responsibility
and
initiative
and
one's
own
moral
compass
to
an
inanimate
object,
instead
of
looking
at
the
societal
influences
that
cause
one
to
feel
so
disaffected
or
so
removed
from
societal
norms
that
they
would
do
violence
to
others.
W
Yet
again,
an
individual
with
hate
in
his
heart
drove
his
car
into
a
crowd
of
people.
Many
will
say:
well
you
know
cars
aren't
designed
to
kill
people.
Well
to
that
I
say
we
have
a
real
problem
if
a
product
that
was
not
designed
to
kill
people
kill
so
many
every
day
a
firearm
is
actually
designed
to
do
one
thing
and
that's
to
fire
a
projectile
as
a
20-year
vegetarian
yoga
practitioner
and
founder
of
the
Asheville
yoga,
&
Gun
Club
I
shoot
targets
and
teach
meditative
marksmanship
as
a
mindfulness
practice.
W
What
one
uses
a
firearm
for
depends
on
their
intent,
not
the
tool.
Let
us
also
not
forget
that
firearms
have
also
protected
those
who
had
otherwise
be
oppressed,
and
they
also
have
prevented
atrocities.
In
summary,
they
are
truly
inanimate
objects
and
the
proper
instruction
and
responsible
use
of
firearms
can
greatly
benefit
a
society.
In
fact,
all
Americans
would
do
well
to
remember
that
our
country
was
founded
and
born
out
of
skilled
marksmanship.
W
AQ
Mr.
chairman
and
board
members,
thank
you
I.
Don't
think
I've
ever
seen
a
room
full
of
lawyers.
This
sleepy
but
I
appreciate
you
listening,
y'all,
know
and
I.
Don't
know.
If
everybody
here
does
that
in
the
code
of
Ethelbert
in
597
one
of
the
first
English
law
codes,
it
was
assumed
that
men
would
go
about
armed.
There
was
no
law
restricting
who
could
own
a
weapon.
There
are
lots
of
our
laws
that
told
you
how
you
could
carry
the
weapon
if
you
were
drunk
and
walked
with
your
spear
pointed
straight
up
and
you
gored
somebody.
AQ
You
went
to
jail
or
worse.
If
you
waved
it
about
threatening
Lee,
you
went
to
jail,
and
thus
we
had
our
first
brandishing
laws
and
not
much
has
changed.
As
the
common
law
grew,
we
had
to
recalibrate
our
individual
statutes
to
figure
out
what
people
owned
one
another.
You
all
remember
failing
the
question
in
high
school
civics
class
about
Gilbert,
V,
Ogden
and
debts
contracted
before
the
Revolution
y'all
didn't,
and
that's
why
you've
got
to
practice
the
law,
but
some
things
didn't
change
the
recognition
that
people
would
be
armed.
It
was
a
natural
right.
AQ
What
we
did
in
this
country
was
to
connect
that
natural
right
to
an
organized
militia
and,
yes,
it
ran
out
Lord.
Dunmore
I
saw
y'all
looking
around
to
see
who
was
the
executive
branch
when
he
mentioned
that,
and
we
don't
want
to
run
you
all
out,
but
we
do
want
you
to
listen.
We
want
you
to
listen
to
a
thousand
years
and
more
of
common
law.
We
don't
want
you
to
change
that.
You
all
can
make
resolutions
about
climate
change.
All
you
want.
They
affect
no
one
and
no
one
cares.
AQ
But
when
you
go
messing
with
fundamental
rights,
you
stir
up
a
hornet's
nest
and
I
don't
want
you
to
do
that
so
yeah
I'd
be
charming
if
you
passed
a
sanctuary,
County
law,
but
if
you
didn't
that's
no
skin
off
my
back
instead,
I'm
gonna
ask
you
for
something
very
small.
At
the
end
of
your
listing,
when
I
got
my
concealed
carry
permit
last
summer,
I
had
to
wait
months.
I
had
to
wait
months
to
get
into
the
courthouse.
I
had
to
take
off
work
and
miss
time
at
school
to
go
down
and
pick
up.
AQ
The
paperwork
had
to
wait
months
for
the
background
check
to
be
taken.
I
had
to
wait
months
for
that
to
get
back
and
had
to
wait
months
to
go,
sit
down
and
fill
out
the
paperwork
that
I
was
allowed
to
take
and
everybody
who
waited
on
me
was
nice
as
pie.
I
said
you
know,
y'all,
don't
seem
really
overstaffed
here
on
this
detail
and
they
wouldn't
comment.
They
said
there
are
people
you
can
talk
to
about
that,
hire
more
staff
in
the
CCW
Department
and
listen
to
us.
That's
all
I.
Ask
thanks
for
listening.
A
A
H
Trouble
me,
you
may
have
seen
it
you
may
have
not
I
haven't,
walked
through
a
sniper
position
in
a
long
time
and
they're
out
there
tonight,
I
don't
know
if
the
county
has
a
credible
threat
that
you
were
made
aware
of,
but
when
I
look
out
in
this
audience
tonight,
I
see
law-abiding
citizens
well,
except
for
you,
sir,
you
said
you're
a
felon,
but
everybody
else
to
my
knowledge,
is
a
law-abiding
citizen.
So
I
asked
the
county.
H
H
AR
AR
Following
that
the
militia
acts
of
1792
clearly
state
that
a
militia
is
made
up
of
any
free,
able-bodied
white
male
citizen
between
the
ages
of
18
and
45.
This
was
later
expanded
to
all
males,
regardless
of
race.
In
1862
and
can
easily
be
understood
to
include
all
people
in
this
day
and
age,
the
late
Supreme,
Court,
Justice,
Antonin
Scalia,
said
nowhere
else
in
the
Constitution.
Does
a
right
attributed
to
the
people
refer
to
anything
other
than
an
individual
right?
AR
He
went
on
to
say
the
very
text
of
the
Second
Amendment
implicitly
recognizes
the
pre-existence
of
the
right
and
declares
only
that
it
shall
not
be
infringed.
I
want
to
emphasize
that
a
firearm
in
the
correct
hand
saves
lives.
A
recent
example
of
this
comes
to
us
from
the
West
Freeway
Church
of
Christ,
just
outside
of
Fort
Worth
Texas,
a
gunman
was
stopped
because
Jack
Wilson
heroically
stopped
him
with
a
pistol.
AR
Another
example
happened
in
the
First
Baptist
Church
in
Sutherland
Springs
Texas,
when
Stephen
Williford,
using
his
ar-15
heroically,
stopped
a
man
from
committing
more
murder
than
he
already
had.
A
recent
example
of
people
peacefully
pro
a
recent
example
of
people
peacefully
standing
up
for
their
right
to
self-defense
is
the
gun
rights
rally
in
Virginia.
Around
22,000
people
stood
on
the
steps
of
the
Capitol
in
peaceful
protest
against
the
anti
Second
Amendment
agenda.
Not
one
shot
was
fired
and,
according
to
the
Washington
Post,
the
police
praised
the
peaceful
crowd.
AR
I
want
Buncombe
County
to
be
a
second
amendment,
sanctuary
County,
because
I
want
the
citizens
of
this
county
to
be
able
to
defend
themselves
and
their
families
how
they
see
fit
this
being
an
election
year.
I
would
like
to
quote
the
great
statesman,
Frederick
Douglas,
the
liberties
of
the
American
people
were
dependent
upon
the
ballot
box,
the
jury
box
and
the
cartridge
box.
Then,
without
these,
no
class
of
people
could
live
and
flourish
in
this
county.
The
United
States
Constitution
and
the
North
Carolina
Constitution
both
recognize
and
protect
our
inalienable
right
to
self-defense.
AR
AS
I
just
want
to
thank
you
all
for
letting
us
be
here.
My
name
is
Vic
Davidson
I
was
born
and
raised
here
in
Asheville.
I
am
67
lived
on
Montford
all
my
life
I'm,
a
grandmother,
a
wife
I
have
a
grandson.
I
have
a
son
that
is
in
the
83rd,
I
mean
82nd.
Airborne
he's
still
serving.
My
father
was
a
police
officer
here
for
Buncombe
County.
When
he
came
out
of
the
Navy
he
served
well.
AS
He
believed
highly
in
protecting
not
just
our
family,
but
people
around
us
so
I'm,
very
much
in
support
of
the
Second
Amendment
and
this
Buncombe
County
that
I
love
that
I
still
work
in
this
city
and
support
it's
very
dear.
To
me.
This
is
my
home
and
I
pray
that
it
will
be
come
as
sanctuary
County.
I
I
just
wanted
more
than
anything.
AS
Just
say
that
you
know
to
me:
God
has
given
us
our
freedoms,
our
freedoms
to
to
love,
to
make
free
will
to
have
the
choice,
to
decide
to
do
right
or
to
do
wrong.
Most
of
us
who
are
law-abiding
citizens
who
are
concealed,
carry
open,
carry
we
work
hard.
We
pray.
We
do
what
we're
supposed
to
do
and
we
depend
on
each
of
you
to
make
decisions.
The
right
decisions
that
God
decisions
for
each
of
us
in
this
county
and
I'm
just
praying
that
each
of
you
will
pray
about
it.
AS
It
is
very
important
to
us
to
uphold
the
Constitution
all
the
years
that
I
was
at
William
Randolph
and
David
Millard
and
Lee
Edwards
when
we
pledged
allegiance
to
the
flag
that
was
taken
seriously
for
us
as
children,
and
it
is
still
in
my
heart.
So
thank
you
for
your
time
and
please
pray
about
your
decisions.
Thank
you.
Thank.
AT
Moms
is
a
nonpartisan
organization
advocating
for
stronger
solutions
for
gun
safety
that
will
protect
our
neighbors
and
our
families.
We
are
not
anti-gun,
we
are
anti
gun
violence.
We
do
not
go
after
gun
owners.
Many
of
us
are
gun
owners.
We
are
not
going
to
take
away
your
guns.
We
are
Pro
safety
and
responsible
gun
ownership.
AT
AT
So
this
second
amendment
sanctuary
resolution,
because
that's
what
it
is
or
would
be,
it's
a
symbolic
vote.
It's
non-binding.
However,
it
does
undermine
the
fundamental
right
of
state
governments
to
enact
laws
aimed
at
curbing
gun
violence
and
protecting
the
health
and
well-being
of
our
families
of
you
of
me
and
of
our
children.
So
basically,
this
resolution
of
supporting
the
Second
Amendment
resolution
does
not
make
it
law,
however,
the
dangerous
implication
of
declaring
it
or
for
others,
hearing
about
it.
AT
That
of
supporting
this
second
amendment
is
interpreted
to
mean
that
it's
okay
to
disobey
the
law,
it's
okay,
I'm
safe
from
being
charged
for
breaking
the
law.
When
we
know
we
all
know,
that's
not
true.
Our
Sheriff
is
sworn
to
protect
the
laws
of
the
state
in
the
county,
as
are
all
law
enforcement
officers.
AT
P
Z
Good
evening,
chairman
other
persons
on
the
chair,
the
County
Commissioners-
thank
you
for
allowing
me
this
time.
Thank
you
all
for
listening.
I
guess:
I
need
to
speak
in
this
side
and
be
heard
so
try
not
to
turn
around,
but
I
am
addressing
you
I
wish
I
wish
to
thank
each.
Never
one
of
you
that
has
spoken
tonight.
Z
You
articulated
it
well.
I
can
add
nothing
to
it
other
than
I've
taken
at
least
five
oohs.
That
said,
I
would
uphold
the
Constitution
and
defend
it.
I
would
serve
and
protect
certain
populations,
but
at
one
time
the
whole
citizenry
of
the
United
States.
At
one
time,
the
citizens
of
Buncombe
County
I
have
a
total
of
forty
eight
and
a
half
years
of
law
enforcement
experience.
Z
I
was
a
state
firearms
instructor
and
that
included
legally
safety
and
take
him
out
on
the
range
and
make
him
fire
and
the
young
lady
that
addressed
him
said
she
was
a
single
mother
and
she
would
defend
her
family
I
want
that
lady
to
have
absolutely
every
right
to
do
so.
I
have
two
credentials
that
allows
me
to
carry
concealed
right
now.
I
cannot
in
this
chamber
and
I
appreciate
that
that's
okay,
one
would
even
allow
me
to
carry
the
gun
into
an
establishment,
primarily
for
the
service
of
Alcoholic
Beverage
not
liking
north
carolina
law.
Z
I
was
here
when
the
North
Carolina
carry
concealed
weapon
was
a
bill.
It
was
a
good
bill.
Then
it
started
getting
eaten
upon
just
like
her
Constitution
is
today
it
got
watered
down
and
passed,
but
I
became
an
instructor
for
that.
Also
I
could
write
a
certificate
for
a
person
that
I
felt
was
qualified
to
carry
and
that
wasn't
just
they
could
get
out
there
and
punch
holes
in
paper.
That
was
did
they
have
the
mindset
that
they
understood
self-defense.
Z
There
are
eight
steps,
I
won't
name
them
all
to
develop
in
a
communist
state.
One
of
them
is
direct
the
economy.
That's
why
the
Romans
would
kill
somebody
for
many
coins
that
were
not
legitimate,
and
this
still
cares
pretty
good
penalty
in
this
country,
because
if
you
can
destroy
the
economy,
you
got
a
bunch
of
poor
people.
Poor
people
are
easily
led
directed
herded.
The
next
step
was
disarm
them
well,
Hitler
taught
Europe
in
36
and
38
and
I
think
they
learned
the
lesson,
but
now
they're
falling
back.
AU
Yeah,
thank
you.
My
name
is
rich
Johnston.
I
am
a
taxpayer
citizen
a
long
time
resident
here
in
Buncombe,
County
wanted
off
for
my
two
cents,
I
came
tonight
merely
to
listen.
I
have
no
prepared
statement,
but
I
did
want
to
offer
my
observations
on
this
this
this
issue.
First
of
all,
I
want
to
thank
the
Commission
for
protecting
so
diligently
our
constitutional
right
to
speak
in
public
and
I.
Think
to
me
that
demonstrates
a
very
solid
emphasis
on
constitutional,
appropriate
constitutional
support.
AU
In
my
mind,
that
extends
to
every
element.
I,
don't
know
that
we
can
break
out
one
piece
of
the
Constitution
that
warrants
attention
beyond
the
other
components
of
it.
I
heard
nothing
tonight
to
make
me
think
that
our
constitutional
rights,
any
of
them,
are
in
peril
in
Buncombe
County
and
for
that
reason,
I
think
what
we're
debating
is
the
question
of
whether
or
not
to
adopt
a
resolution
recommended
from
the
audience
we're
not
debating
the
Second
Amendment
as
a
whole.
Nor
is
this
the
venue
in
which
to
do
so.
AU
A
AV
You,
chairman
members
of
the
board,
my
name
is
Gabe.
Lab
I
am
a
local
of
Asheville
race.
Here
my
whole
life,
I
am
also
a
US.
Army,
veteran
and
I
am
very
much
asking
that
the
adopt
the
second
minion
sanctuary
policies
have
been
submitted.
I
just
wanted
to
share
some
data.
I
think
that
may
help
you
know
shed
some
light
on
things.
So,
as
mr.
Morgan
pointed
out,
there
were
about
14,000
gun
deaths.
AV
AV
AV
You
know
somebody
shot
from
you
know
another
gun
owner
and
if
you
take
that
into
consideration
of
the
325
million
people
that
live
in
our
country,
your
chances
of
being
killed
by
far
more
about
point,
zero,
zero,
zero,
six
percent,
so
I
just
wanted
to
share
that.
To
put
it
another
way,
you
know
fifty
thousand
Americans
die
every
year
from
the
flu.
Ten
thousand
people
die
from
falling
out
of
their
beds.
I
think
the
closest
number
is
about
2000
or
so
die
from
constipation.
AV
AW
Good
evening,
commissioners,
thanks
for
being
here
for
a
light
to
listen
to
our
Second
Amendment
issues,
I
was
born
and
raised
here
in
my
name
is
Greg
farmer.
I
was
born
raised
here
in
Nashville,
one
think
high
school
I'm,
a
small
businessman
and
I
grew
up.
Like
the
other
guy
said,
I
grew
up
here
we
had
shotguns
and
rifles
in
our
pickup
trucks
in
the
back
window,
never
heard
it
so
I
went
squirrel,
hunting
or
bird
hunting
or
whatever,
but
I.
You
know
the
weight
thing
the
way
the
world
is
going.
AW
It
just
seems
that
CF
thinking
out
of
hand
and
if
we
let
it
get
out
of
hand
here
in
my
County,
we're
gonna
lose
everything
and
I
think
that
we
should
become
a
second
amendment
sanctuary
and
also
the
red
flag
laws.
It
just
opens
up
a
whole
new
idea
for
people
too.
Well
I,
don't
like
this
guy
here,
I'll
get
back
at
him.
AW
I'll
call
the
cops
and
dump
he's
a
danger
to
itself
in
a
society,
and
next
thing
you
know
he's
coming
out
with
his
guns
and
he
could
get
killed
or
kill
somebody
just
for
no
reason.
He
could
be
nothing
wrong.
Just
his
neighbor
doesn't
like
him.
So
I
think
it
would
be
a
bad
thing
to
to
be
a
law
here
in
our
county
and
I.
A
AX
Thank
you
for
considering
this
issue.
I've
heard
a
lot
of
people
quote
the
Constitution,
but
I've
heard
nobody
say
well-regulated
and
the
Second
Amendment
says
that
a
well-regulated
militia
and
I've
heard
everyone
quote
the
right
to
bear
arms,
but
not
that
it's
well.
It's
well
regulated,
and
this
woman,
who
spoke
from
mothers
against
madness,
was
talking
about
gun
safety
and
responsible
ownership,
and
if
laws
are
passed
to
that
end,
you
have
a
constitutional
duty
to
uphold
those
laws.
AX
AY
Thank
you.
My
name
is
Tom
Despereaux
I'm,
a
resident
of
Candler
I'm,
a
member
of
the
Unitarian
Universalist
Church
here
in
Asheville
I
have
a
15
year
old
daughter
and
she
goes
to
Asheville
high.
She
goes
to
Silla
and
every
day
when
I
send
her
to
school.
I
have
to
think
about
whether
she's
coming
back
I
have
to
think
about
how
many
days
there
have
been
lockdowns
at
that
school
because
there
have
been
arms
fire
in
the
surrounding
neighborhood
now
I
know.
AY
I,
don't
want
to
walk
into
my
church
and
worry
about
where
the
exits
are
and
look
out
and
see.
Who
is
unusual
in
the
Congress
in
the
congregation
that
I
you
know,
I
may
have
to
avoid,
or
I
may
have
to
be
out
of
the
line
of
fire
who
some
from
someone
who
might
be
who
might
be
carrying
and
that's
all
I
think
we
need
to
turn
it
down.
AY
AZ
Hello,
chairman
board,
my
name
is
Jackson.
Hensley
I
actually
am
NOT
arrested
in
this
county,
but
for
are
you
Buncombe,
County
people,
Yancey
County's
got
you
we're
passing
our
own
resolution
on
Monday,
but
I'm
going
to
take
on
a
little
bit
of
a
darker
tone
to
what
everyone
else
has
had
this
evening
being
someone
whose
family
was
directly
affected
by
some
very
harsh
what
she
called
gun
violence.
My
uncle
was
a
Marine
Corps
veteran
of
the
Desert
Storm
conflict,
as
well
as
the
war
on
terror
in
2013.
AZ
Obviously
the
rally
made
no
sort
of
legal
repercussion,
but
it
sent
a
message
that
people
were
willing
to
come
on.
People
were
willing
to
be
disobedient
and
if
violence
would
have
broken
out,
I'm
sure
those
people
would
have
been
willing
to
fight
now.
One
of
those
hard
truths
that
I
was
talking
about
earlier
is
that
violence
is
everywhere
and
if
you're
not
capable
violence
and
meeting
violence
with
violence,
you
are
helpless.
AZ
It's
the
hard
truth.
The
next
hard
truth
is
that
what
happened
in
Virginia
really
sent
a
message
to
everybody.
It
broke
the
stereotypes
of
the
white
nationalist
or
the
terrorists,
or
you
know
the
rich
old
white
guy.
Everyone
thinks
that
you
broke
that
because
I
saw
I
didn't
get
to
make
it
to
Virginia.
Sadly,
but
I
met
a
lot
of
those
gentlemen
in
Washington
last
November
when
I
went
for
that
rally.
A
BA
Good
evening,
I
know
it's
late
and
I
know:
y'all
are
tired,
I
know,
I
am
I've
been
up
since
3:00,
but
it
was
important
enough
for
me
to
come.
I
live
in
Madison
County
I'm,
a
widow,
a
lil
inside
of
a
mountain
there's
nothing
around,
but
coyotes
I
have
to
defend
myself,
there's
no
one
else
there
to
do
it.
I
was
in
Virginia
and
I'll.
Tell
you
I've
never
been
so
proud
to
be
an
American
as
I
was
to
be
in
Virginia.
I
took
time
off.
BA
Work
I
spent
a
lot
of
my
personal
money
to
get
there
because
it
was
important
to
me.
I
saw
more
ar-15s
there
strapped
across
my
fellow
Patriots
chests
than
I've
seen
at
gun
shows
and
not
one,
not
one
round
fired.
Now
the
police
were
just
as
polite
as
they
could
be
asking
directions.
It
was
crowded,
it
was
cold
and
yet
I
saw
veterans
that
could
barely
walk,
but
it
was
important
enough
to
them
to
be
there.
They
were
there.
BA
I
saw
a
little
a
woman
with
a
walker
that
again
could
barely
walk
and
they
parted
like
the
Red
Sea
for
her
and
let
her
walk
through
and
she
was
there
because
it
was
important
and
that's
really
all
I
have
to
say,
don't
take
away,
don't
try
because
I
will
not
comply
but
do
not
try
to
take
away
our
Second
Amendment
rights
and
our
rights
to
defend
ourselves.
I
mean
I
got
nobody
else.
BA
I
meant
me
and
my
gun
up
there
on
the
side
of
that
mountain,
and
one
more
note
about
two
months
ago,
one
of
my
neighbors
came
banging
on
my
door
about
two
o'clock
in
the
morning
announced
himself
because
you
didn't
wanna
get
shot
because
he
knows
me
and
he
said,
there's
a
fugitive
right
here.
I
got
a
reverse
Nyland
one.
He
knew
I
didn't
have
a
landline.
He
said
he's
right
here.
Sandy
somewhere,
have
you
got
your
gun?
I
said
you
know,
I
do
he
said?
BA
Okay,
so
I
called
my
son
who's
at
the
bottom
of
my
property
and
let
him
know
they'll
lock
your
doors
because
we
don't
out
there
and
he
went
got
these.
The
keys
out
of
his
car
and
locked
his
doors.
Thirty
minutes
later,
he
called
me
said
the
guy
just
tried
to
steal
my
car.
They
were
armed.
I
was
armed.
We
were
safe,
don't
take
that
away
from
this,
don't
try
but
take
that
away
from
us.
Thank
you.
BB
Hello,
I'm,
Sarah,
Orem
and
I
know
many
of
you
from
living
and
working
in
this
county
for
27
years.
I
wanted
to
say
that
this
evening,
I
I
felt
intimidated
and
a
little
scared,
I
felt
intimidated
by
so
many
people
advocating
for
no
rules
on
gun
ownership
in
Buncombe.
County
I
also
felt
scared
that
one
day
that
may
be
the
case
I
feel
confused
about
how
I
can
see
this
issue
so
differently
from
the
many
fine
citizens
who
have
spoken
here
today.
BB
I
encouraged
those
of
us
who
have
spoken
here
today
to
try
to
listen
to
each
other
and
to
find
a
way
to
understand
how
we
each
can
feel
scared
and
intimidated
by
what
each
of
us
is
saying
on
both
sides
of
the
issue.
There
must
be
a
middle
ground
on
this
issue
and
we
have
to
depend
on
your
guidance
as
elected
officials
to
find
it
so
that
each
of
us
can
live
here
so,
together
with
everyone
else
and
feel
safe
together.
I
hope
that
you
find
that
middle
ground.
BC
BC
BC
So
I
dunno
about
that.
My
first
memory
of
shooting
a
rifle
was
probably
around
ten
years
old.
It
may
have
happened
sooner
at
any
rate.
I
think
you
can
defend
yourself
I.
Think,
though,
the
problem
is
that
without
regulation
too
many
people
that
aren't
steady
enough
have
weapons
and
weapons
that
can
kill
others,
and
it's
a
very
quick
response.
When
you
pull
a
trigger
the
trouble
is,
there's
frequently
not
time
to
sort
things
out
before
you
do
that,
and
it's
irrevocable
when
you
do
so.
BC
If
you
don't
have
that
kind
of
control
over
yourself
before
you
know
what
you're
doing
you
should
not
have
that
weapon
and
I'm
sorry,
but
there
should
be
some
regulation
to
determine
who
has
that
kind
of
control?
You
wouldn't
give
a
three-year-old
a
semi-automatic
pistol
for
them
to
play
with,
because
they
can
defend
themselves
when
the
other
three-year-old
throw
something
at
them.
That's
ridiculous!
BC
A
O
I'll
be
real,
quick,
honestly,
brownie,
I
didn't
come
up
here
to
speak
and
I
wasn't
going
to
speak
on
this
because
everybody
else
did
because
I
came
up
here
saying.
The
best
thing
you
can
do
is
stand
by
the
Constitution,
but
based
upon
the
interpretation
I've
seen
of
the
concentration,
the
interpretation
of
the
Constitution
tonight,
I
can
also
see
the
same
interpretation
of
blue
laws,
which
will
take
it
from
somebody
that
shouldn't
have
it
taken
away
from
you.
So
if
you
can
deter
presumption.
O
That
law
and
it's
very,
very
simple
folks,
it's
very,
very
simple.
If
you
are
going
to
do
something
bad
and
you
want
to
have
mass
violence,
where
are
you
going
to
go
to
a
school
where
no
one
has
a
gun?
Not
a
teacher.
That's
been
trained
on
the
firearm,
not
a
cop
standing
at
the
door
and
God
loved
the
police.
There's
enough
here
tonight
their
budget
is
going
to
go
up
because
you
got
so
many
here,
but
you
know
you're
not
going
to
go
into
the
church.
That
has
a
sign
on
the
front
door
said.
O
Carry
and
conceal.
Welcome.
Are
you
to
do
your
dirty
work?
You'll
go
into
the
one
where
it
says
no
guns
allowed,
which
is
exactly
like
this
county
office
building.
So
maybe
that's
the
reason
we
have
the
computer
out
there
to
greet
people
when
they
come
in
off
the
third
elevator
rather
than
somebody's
sitting.
There
bottom
line
is
folks,
I
think
you're
going
to
have
to
pass
this
amendment
and
say
we
believe
in
each
individual's
right
to
defend
himself,
and
you
should
consider
inserting
in
there
that
we
will
not
honor
any
state
law.
O
That
says
we
have
to
do
this
or
that
the
other
four
red
flag
law,
because
we
have
a
sheriff-
that's
not
honoring
what
the
federal
government
would
like
to
have
and
releasing
criminals.
So
if
you
guys
are
the
ones
that
pay
the
bills
for
the
county
and
the
sheriff
and
everybody
else,
don't
do
your
job,
we're
all
in
danger.
BD
Hello,
my
name
is
Bill
Tom
Berlin
I've
lived
in
Buncombe
County
continuously,
since
1983
I've
worked
in
the
same
industrial
plant
since
19
1987
know
a
lot
of
people
on
both
sides
of
this
issue.
I'm
here
to
ask
that
you
do
make
Buncombe
County
a
Second,
Amendment,
sanctuary,
County
and
because
number
one
I've
heard
several
things.
People
on
both
sides
today
because
of
the
potential
for
abuse,
with
primarily
the
red
flag,
law
and
I,
know,
there's
quite
a
division
in
Buncombe
County
and
this
area.
I
heard
the
comments
about
the
police
presence.
BD
Maria
Fletcher
I'm,
not
sure
how
many
of
you
know
that
name.
If
you
do,
you
might
know
that
she's
1962
Miss
America.
She
was
also
from
Asheville
North
Carolina.
If
you
look
up
her
name
in
Wikipedia,
I
believe
you'll
find
someone.
That's
not
terribly
scared
of
the
horeb,
horribly
scary
ar-15.
In
fact,
she
was
in
Time
magazine
showing
her
taking
target
practice
and
being
trained
in
it
when
it
first
came
out
on
the
market,
but
I
understand
very
much.
BD
A
Q
Thank
You
mr.
chairman
members
aboard
well,
you
sure,
got
education
tonight.
You
young
whippersnappers,
needs
that
you
know
my
dad
served
in
World
War
one
died
at
a
hundred
years
old,
never
armed
nobody
had
a
half-brother
get
killed,
World
War,
two,
it
19
years
old.
He
served
his
country
had
another
brother
in
Vietnam,
served
his
country
paying
for
it
today
had
a
son
involved
to
go
to
Desert
Storm,
there's
19
of
us.
Q
We
had
guns
around
the
house,
we
had
to
make
a
living,
we
had
to
eat
some
meat
and
we
didn't
have
it
to
buy.
We
had
to
go,
get
it
so
telling
you
a
little
story
here
is
out
of
19
children.
No
one
that
I
know
I've
ever
had
a
broken
bone,
never
been
shot,
never
been
chopped
up
and
cut
it.
We
had
a
good,
well,
rounded,
life.
Q
Q
Q
Q
Q
Permit
I,
don't
need
one
I'll
take
my
guns
with
me
wherever
I
need
to
go,
so
you
know,
let's
use
common
sense,
let's
think
about
the
Constitution
and
let's
talk
about
what
the
people
needs
to
protect
themselves
if
they
can
serve
our
country
and
grace
and
honor
and
die
for
it.
Why
can't
we
do
that
at
home?
If
we
don't
protect
our
land,
you
know
if
we
go
out
and
protect
everybody
else,
we
need
to
protect
yourself
at
home
right.
Thank.
AK
Well,
I
just
want
to
say
thank
y'all
for
letting
me
speak.
My
name
is
Jeremiah
I've
been
here
since
June
I
love
the
area,
it's
beautiful,
but
to
kind
of
address
a
couple
things
that
I
see
I
think
what
y'all
need
to
be
asking
is
why
a
lot
of
these
things,
as
far
as
why
is
there
certain
terminology
being
used
weapons
of
war,
assault
rifles,
assault
rifle
is
a
fully
automatic.
Most
people
don't
have
access
to
a
ten
thousand
dollar
gun
and
moms
demand
action.
AK
If
we
want
to
talk
about
that
they're,
not
a
grassroots
movement,
they're
being
funded
by
Michael
Bloomberg,
who
just
said
he
wants
to
take
away
all
guns
that
don't
have
or
that
have
a
capacity
of
three
or
more
rounds.
That's
insane.
I
I
can
only
name
a
handful
of
those
guns.
It's
ridiculous
I'm
about
to
be
a
father.
My
wife
is
34
or
she's
34
weeks
pregnant
called
me
in
the
middle
of
the
night
said,
while
I
was
in
Georgia
handling
some
business
I
heard
a
bump
in
the
night,
I
said
get
my
gun.
AK
If
there's
someone
there
go
down
and
don't
stop
pulling
the
trigger
because
police
times
I
think
in
2010
was
response
times
were
four
point:
nine
minutes
and
Asheville
they're
now
nothing,
seven
point
nine
minutes
and
Asheville
is
just
growing
and
it's
going
to
get
worse.
The
law
enforcement
they're
just
understaffed
and
overwhelmed.
We
know
that
I
work
in
the
ER
up
here
I
see
the
things
as
far
as
the
drug
use,
and
with
that
comes
violence,
it
comes
crimes
hidden.
AK
What
do
we
do
with
these
people
that
come
in
overdosed
fix
them,
put
them
back
out
on
the
street?
It
happens
every
single
day.
This
is
ridiculous.
I
do
not
feel
safe,
leaving
my
wife
at
home
and
people
want
to
talk
about
these
laws,
and
why
are
we
having
this
conversation?
It's
because
we're
watching
Virginia,
you
know
Michael
Bloomberg,
bought
that
state
and
he's
coming
in.
He
already
said
he's
targeting
North
Carolina.
AK
Next
we
know
it's
coming
and
that's
why
we're
having
the
conversation
this
group,
the
second
amendment
group,
is
one
of
the
quietest
groups
out
there
we're
one
of
the
strongest
and
that's
why
we're
asking
you
stand
up
and
speak
for
us
and
protect
us,
and
just
like
will
stand
up
for
the
moms
demand.
Action
will
protect
their
First
Amendment
will
be
the
first
in
line
to
protect
that
form,
yeah
we're
just
asking
for
the
same
thing
in
return.
So
thank
you
guys.
BE
Howdy,
my
name
is
William
Wallace
Lyons
I
was
born
in
Texas,
but
I
have
lived
in
North
Carolina
these
27
years.
There's
a
here
in
Buncombe
County,
especially
I'm.
A
volunteer
firefighter
I've
been
one
for
about
seven
years,
I'm
also
an
Eagle
Scout
and
since
I
was
little
I
was
raised
on
how
to
use
a
firearm
market.
That's
probably
one
of
the
first
things
I've
ever
memorized
when
I
was
little
is
how
to
use
a
firearm
and
the
safety
rules
that
go
with
it.
BE
I
was
also
homeschooled
old
and
there's
a
lot
of
people
who
are
afraid
of
sending
their
kids
to
school
these
days,
because
they're,
afraid
of
mass
shooting,
well
I
highly
suggest
homeschooling,
but
for
those
who
don't
have
that
option,
one
thing
I
would
suggest
is
more
training
on
how
to
properly
use
firearms.
That
is
a
big
help.
If
I
know
my
Boy
Scout
Troop,
who
we
went
down
to
Florida
and
every
one
of
my
guys
in
my
troop
I
was
their
leader.
BE
BE
There's
my
Second
Amendment
rights
is
very
dear
to
me:
I,
don't
own
any
modern
rifles,
I
collect
antiques
whenever
I
see
a
old
rifle
I
always
prefer
to
buy
that
than
a
ar-15.
It's
a
passion
I
have,
although
I
love
old
rifles,
I
know
that
with
what's
out
there,
it's
not
really
what
is
needed
to
defend
myself,
I
own
a
Mauser
and
that
holds
five
rounds.
I
can
tell
you
from
several
reenactments
I've
been
to
five
rounds,
won't
get
you
very
far
and
you
probably
won't
hit
the
target
with
four
of
those
rounds.
BE
BE
A
N
To
thank
the
commissioners
for
allowing
us
to
speak.
My
name
is
Darryl
Carson
I'm,
a
lifelong
resident
of
Buncombe
County
I,
went
to
AC
Reynolds,
High
School
and
immediately
fall
in
high
school
I
joined
the
army
when
I
joined
the
army,
I
took
an
oath
to
protect
and
defend
the
Constitution
against
all
enemies,
foreign
and
domestic
and
I.
Think
the
framers
really
had
something
in
particular
in
mind
when
they
added
and
domestic
they
weren't
worried
about
us
being
attacked
by
deers
and
rabbits
and
squirrels.
N
They
were
worried
about
a
government
becoming
tyrannical
and
having
to
be
fought
against
I've
taken
the
Second
Amendment
very
seriously.
If
the
Second
Amendment
goes,
any
of
your
other
ones
can
go
right
after
because
you
have
no
way
to
defend
yourself.
I've
had
weapons.
All
my
life
I
got
my
first
rifle
when
I
was
10,
I've
had
them
ever
since,
and
not
one
of
them
has
ever
killed.
Anybody
guns
are
not
the
problem.
People
are
the
problems.
N
The
ones
who
attacked
us
on
9/11
used
airplanes.
The
Oklahoma
bomber
used
fertilizer.
If
you
want
to
kill
somebody,
and
you
don't
have
guns
and
you're
not
worried
about
obeying
the
laws,
you'll
find
a
way
to
do
it.
You
can
use
a
car
or
an
airplane,
as
already
mentioned
so
I
just
hope
that
you
all
will
honor
the
Constitution
honor,
the
the
oaths
that
you've
taken
to
defend
the
Constitution
and
I
appreciate
your
time.
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
A
B
BF
Hello
and
thank
you
for
giving
us
a
chance
to
speak
on
this
tonight.
My
name
is
Natalie
Henry
how
and
I'm
a
resident
Western,
North,
Carolina
and
I
work
here
in
Buncombe,
County
and
I
I
want
to
talk
tonight
about
my
personal
story
and
the
point:
zero
zero,
zero
six
chance
of
being
a
victim
of
gun
violence
found
my
son.
He
was
Riley
how
old
you
Institute
Charlotte
the
shooting
that
happened
there.
BF
Hide
or
fight
has
had
the
other
students
in
that
classroom,
and
it
was
right
there
in
that
moment
and
I
really
hope
your
children
are
never
ever
put
in
that
position,
but
he
chose
to
fight
that
day
and
so
when
he
went
forward
to
try
to
stop
this
from
happening,
he
was
he
was
shot
multiple
times
and
and
died
on
the
scene
quickly
from
what
I
hear
and
I
hope,
painlessly.
But
I
know
in
my
heart.
BF
It
wasn't
that
way,
so
I
I
just
want
to
say
that
when
we're
talking
about
gun
safety
measures,
they
matter
to
these
individual
people
that
this
has
happened
to,
and
that
could
be
anybody
here.
I
never
ever
ever
expected
this
to
touch
my
family
I.
Like
you
heard
about
it,
you
know,
statistics
and
I'm
horrified
by
it,
but
to
be
living.
It
is
something
I
I
can't
even
I
can't
even
explain
to
you
so
I
guess
my.
BF
That's
not
who
we're
talking
about
we're
talking
about
something
that
we
could
do
to
prevent
this
from
happening
to
another
family
I'm.
In
my
son's
case,
the
more
expansive
background
checks
would
have
made
a
difference.
Not
having
an
extended
magazine
that
shooter
would
have
made
a
difference,
extended
magazines,
I
understand
help,
people
protect
their
homes,
but
they
also
cause
more
killing
in
a
mass
shooting.
That
pause
from
the
extended
magazine
being
spit
out
gives
people
their
they
save
time
to
do
something:
to
get
away
to
attack,
to
do
something
and
I
anyway.
BF
I
just
wanted
to
speak
about
that,
and
I
also
want
to
say
that
at
the
heart
of
this
matter,
I
feel
like
we're
all
we're
all
together
like
what
can
we
do
to
protect
and
keep
people
safe?
And
you
know
your
answer
might
be
a
gun,
and
my
answer
might
be
a
preventative.
Health
I
mean
a
preventative
safety
measure
and
they
can
work
in
conjunction
and
I.
Just
really
hope.
This
conversation
goes
in
that
direction.
Thank
you.
Thank.
A
AD
AD
BG
Right
good
evening,
commissioners
I
just
want
to
speak,
there's
been
a
lot
of
good
arguments
tonight.
Some
has
been
touched
on,
but
I'd
like
to
bring
it
back
to
the
fact
that
this
is
a
non-binding
resolution.
My
name
is
Dennis
Gibson
I
support
the
non-binding
resolution
in
Buncombe
County
to
make
it
a
second
amendment.
Sanctuary,
County
and
I'll
point
out.
BG
There's
been
a
lot
of
argument,
discussion
about
the
second
amendment
and
sort
of
and
when
it
was
touched
on
the
fact
that
this
is
just
a
resolution
wide
Buncombe
County
needs
to
do
it
and
I'll
address
some
of
those
points
why
Buncombe
County
needs
to
do.
It
is
because
one
point
is
currently
House
bill.
86
in
the
General
Assembly
is
essentially
the
gun
control
measure
that
is
currently
in
front
of
the
Judiciary
Committee
in
Raleigh.
BG
We
do
not
have
the
time
the
energy
or
the
resources
to
lobby
Raleigh
to
prevent
those
measures
from
happening.
What
we
do
have
is
this
to
address
our
commissioners,
who
are
the
closest
representative
body
that
most
of
us
will
ever
get
to
and
to
point
out.
I've
not
been
keeping
an
exact
count,
but
the
ratio
of
Pro
versus
anti
is
something
that
any
politician
should
consider.
BG
P
Commissioner
and
chairman,
thank
you
for
having
me
up
here.
My
name
is
AJ.
Fox
was
born
and
raised
here
in
Buncombe,
County
I've
been
in
law
enforcement
for
38
years,
Highway
Patrol,
I
retired
from
the
Highway
Patrol
was
19
years
with
a
Blanc
County
Sheriff's
Department,
Lake,
Lure,
Police,
Department
and
now
I'm
with
Haywood
County
Sheriff's
Department.
Thank
you
all
for
listening
to
us
tonight,
mainly
and
I'm,
just
here
to
support
our
Second
Amendment
and
also
disapprove
of
the
red
flag,
red
flag
laws
and
I
appreciate.
V
V
She
missed
the
notices
and
the
the
mechanism
for
the
county
to
could
collect
its
taxes.
You
know
kind
of
took
over
and
they
just
got
stuck
in
a
machine.
I
looked
at
the
report
tonight.
I
saw
you
know
that
there's
40
million
there
remains
uncollected.
Obviously
we
need
to
fund
all
the
important
programs
we
have
and
off
your
all's
work
and
security.
V
My
encouragement
just
in
honor
of
Mike
and
his
thought
would
be
that
there
are
other
mechanisms
available,
such
as
liens
and
maybe
there's
some
way
to
develop
just
some
kind
of
procedure
to
give
somebody
like
that
he
doesn't
have
an
outstanding
tax
bill
at
the
time,
because
when
that
started,
her
bill
I
think
was
about
four
or
five
hundred
dollars.
You
know,
and
by
the
time
the
whole
process
concluded
it's
about
three
thousand,
so
there
you
know
and
I
don't
have
the
best
idea.
V
I
know
the
school
government
has
some
thoughts
and
some
wonderful
opportunities,
but
just
an
honor
of
what
mike
has
said
to
me-
and
you
know
the
time
here
tonight
that
I
think
that
I'd
encourage
you
all
to
see
there's
a
way
to
protect
some
of
those
lower
income.
People
who
work
hard
to
take
their
homes,
but
that's
all
I,
have
and
thank
you
all
very
much
for
your
time
and
best
of
luck
with
your
patience
as
it
goes
on
all
right.
Thanks,
bye,
Lee,
yes,
sir.
BH
First
of
all,
I'd
like
to
say
I.
Thank
everybody.
That's
here
tonight,
I
retired
from
Buncombe
County
I
was
a
park
ranger
at
Lake
Julian
for
thirty
years,
some
of
the
worst
people
in
the
world
that
you
want
to
meet
was
there
we
run
into
every
kind
of
gangster.
We
even
had
one
guy
that
was
a
wanted
murderer
out
there
caught
one
day.
BH
So
I
just
want
you
to
think
about
something,
though
now,
if
you're
at
home
or
your
wife
or
husband
or
whatever's
at
home
and
four
guys
breaks
in
and
they've
got
a
you
know,
knives
guns
sticks
or
whatever
you've
got
a
little
old
pistol.
It's
got
six
shot
in
it.
Okay,
how
are
you
gonna
get?
How
are
you
gonna
defend
yourself
against
these
people
with
six?
BH
You
know
with
with
guns,
knives
and
everything
with
six
bullets,
most
people
in
time
of
being
at
emergencies
not
going
to
be
able
to
shoot
straight
to
begin
with,
because
the
adrenaline
is
it's
going
to
be
crazy.
So
how
are
you
going
to
be
able
to
hold
a
gun
and
shoot
all
those
people
with
just
four
or
five
bullets?
You're?
BH
Not
so
I
look
at
it
that
you
know
we
need
to
make
this
a
sanctuary
County
for
Buncombe
County,
so
the
citizens
can't
protect
their
self
against
the
people
that
I've
had
to
deal
with
over
the
years.
I
thank
God
that
I'm
no
longer
out
there.
It
was
a
great
place
to
work,
but
some
of
the
people
we
dealt
with
was
just
hardened
criminals
and
that's
well.
Thank
you
for
my
time.
Thank
you
all.
BI
Thank
You
mr.
chairman
and
Commission,
my
name
is
Roger
Edwards
I'm
resident
of
Buncombe
County
I've
been
set
in
listening
to
all
the
comments
tonight
and
I.
Just
ask
that
you
support
the
second
amendment.
Sanctuary
I
realize
it's
an
it's
not
binding.
It
carries
no
weight,
but
I
think
it
sends
a
strong
message
to
Raleigh
and
to
Washington,
and
we've
all
had
the
opportunity
to
exercise
our
First
Amendment
rights
here
tonight
and
I'm
afraid.
If
our
second
Amendment
rights
are
infringed
upon,
we
will
not
be
able
to
exercise
our
First
Amendment
rights
long
after
that.
BI
A
You
all
right,
thank
you,
I'm
gonna,
thank
everyone
who
came
this
evening
to
share
your
perspective
on
this
issue
and
other
other
issues
during
the
public
comment.
The
County
Commission
typically
does
not
respond.
This
is
our
chance
to
listen
to
citizens,
so
don't
take
the
fact
that
commissioners
haven't
responded
and
aren't
going
to
respond
right
now
as
an
indication
that
we're
not
interested
in
what
you're
saying.
But
this
is
we
talk
a
lot
during
the
meetings,
and
this
is
the
part
of
the
meeting
where
our
job
is
is
to
listen.
So
all
right,
all
right.
A
So
all
right
all
right,
we've
got
just
a
couple
of
announcements
on
February
18th
at
3:00
p.m.
the
County
Commissioners
will
hold
a
their
pre
meeting
here
at
200,
College
Street
room
326
in
Asheville
and
then
on.
February
18th
at
5
p.m.
the
county
commissioners
will
hold
the
next
regularly
scheduled
meeting
here
at
200,
College
Street
room
three
to
six.
Is
there
a
motion
to
adjourn?
Second.