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Description
In this Special Meeting the Board hears a presentation on the County's Comprehensive Facility Plan.
A
B
C
All
right,
I'm
rachel
nelson,
with
cpl,
with
this
I'd
like
to
just.
C
So
I
do
want
to
invite
you
to
jump
out
and
speak
up.
If
you
have
any
questions
during
this,
we
have
a
couple
of
decision
points
along
the
way
that
we
do
want
to
have
discussions
about
as
we
go
through
the
presentation,
instead
of
saving
all
the
discussion
for
the
end.
So
if
there
are
any
questions,
as
this
data
comes
up,
this
process
has
been
very
data
intensive,
so
there's
a
lot
of
stuff
behind
the
scenes
that
you
won't
see
everything
for.
C
C
We
are
getting
the
estimates
back
on
what
that
looks
like
over
a
15-year
period
and
we've
also
ranked
those
buildings
accordingly.
C
We've
also
done
a
space
needs
analysis,
with
a
heavy
focus
on
each
of
the
departments
within
buncombe
county
looking
at
space
needs
priorities,
the
county
facilities,
the
non-library
side
and
then
with
the
library
facilities,
specifically
a
deeper
dive
into
those.
We
have
a
couple
decision
points
on
those
items.
C
First,
on
the
building
maintenance,
like
I
mentioned
38
buildings-
that
we
did
an
analysis
of
each
of
the
different
elements
of
those
buildings
was
rated
on
a
scale
from
one
to
five,
one
being
the
lowest
and
then,
with
that
analysis,
we
were
able
to
take
an
average
condition
of
each
of
those
buildings.
C
So
we
have,
there
are
26
of
the
38.
Buildings
were
rated
an
average
of
three
and
a
half
or
lower,
or
below
three
and
a
half,
and
so
looking
at
the
the
number
of
those
buildings
and
the
number
of
improvements
and
maintenance
items
needed.
There's
some
fairly
significant
funding,
that's
needed
over
the
next
15
years
to
take
care
of
a
lot
of
maintenance
issues.
Ada
issues,
code,
compliance
things
like
that.
C
C
C
For
priority
for
the
best
use
of
space,
looking
at
again
a
sample
of
those
buildings,
we've
identified
a
few
of
these
that
may
be
better
used.
These
facilities
may
be
better
used
with
different
departments
in
them,
or
these
departments
may
be
better
served
in
a
different
location
because
of
adjacency
needs
because
of
condition
of
facility
because
of
other
programmatic
needs.
C
One
of
the
first
things
that
we
did
after
going
through
all
of
our
assessment
of
the
facilities
and
of
the
of
the
departments,
was
put
together
a
list
of
drivers
that
drive
the
the
potential
need
for
change
or
for
improvement
as
a
as
a
plan
moving
forward
for
buncombe
county,
one
of
the
main
drivers
we
identified
because
we
started
this
project
during
covid
and
during
the
age
of
working
from
home
and
telecommuting,
was
that
telecommuting
aspect
so
that
affects
these.
These
departments
that
are
affected
or
not
all
of
them.
C
C
Moving
hhs
staff
from
35
would
find
the
40
cox
in
order
to
consolidate
the
department,
allow
for
better
adjacency,
and
also
that
ties
back
to
that
first
telecommuting
point
as
well:
a
creation
of
a
consolidated
building
for
forward-facing
departments,
primarily
those
those
departments
that
you
see
listed
there
and
those
again
are
departments
that
work
together
a
lot.
Those
are
departments
that
have
a
lot
of
public
facing,
even
during
times
of
covid
right
now,
those
are
departments
that
need
parking
spaces
for
the
public,
for
staff.
C
This
primarily
affected
recreation
services
in
terms
of
our
discussions.
But
this
does
affect
more
than
just
that.
One
department
creation
of
an
ag
center
that
brings
some
of
their
partners
into
the
same
facility,
a
potential
separation
of
veteran
services
with
hhs
veteran
services
and
does
not
necessarily
need
to
be
located
with
the
rest
of
the
hhs
department.
C
C
If
allowed,
the
departments
have
most
heavily
affected
by
that
are
the
information
technology
department,
which
does
a
lot
of
its
work
as
a
semi-telecommute
currently
in
the
way
that
they
work
with
the
rest
of
the
the
county
staff,
the
public
health,
economic
services
and
social
work
services
again.
A
lot
of
those
people
are
also
out
in
the
field
a
lot
and
maybe
only
needing
touchdown
spaces.
C
So
we
do
acknowledge
that
we
still
need
to
provide
some
touchdown
shared
spaces.
Maybe
even
those
people,
100
telecommuting
are
still
coming
in
one
day
a
week
to
meet
with
their
team,
and
so
what
we've
done
is
a
rough
calculation
of
the
the
amount
of
space
that
potentially
is
reduced
from
what
the
county
needs.
If
we
look
at
about
you're
saving
about
80
square
feet
per
person
for
that
personal
office,
space
or
cubicle
space
times,
283
people-
that's
about
22
700
square
feet
reduction.
C
So
this
is
our
first
decision
point
just
wanted
to
have
a
conversation
on
if
the
board
of
commissioners
wanted
to
allow
for
telecom
meeting
on
a
permanent
basis,.
D
And
a
quick
question
that
mike
is
very
hot
bullet
three
list:
four
departments-
I
guess
that
you
talked
with
through
through
your
surveys,
does
that
constitute
all
283
people
or
is
it
the
overwhelming
majority
or
kind
of.
C
That's
a
good
question:
it
does
not
constitute
all
283
people,
but
it
is.
The
overwhelming
majority
is
about
40
to
60
people
in
each
of
those
departments.
E
C
C
Go
ahead:
yeah
there
is
some.
There
is
some
growth
expected
across
the
county
as
a
whole.
It
was,
I
would
say,
a
little
bit
less
than
what
we
were
expecting
if
we
take
a
growth
factor
on
all
of
the
on
all
of
the
departments,
and
we
multiply
that
by.
E
Thank
you.
My
other
question
is
so
when
did
you
ask
people
about
whether
they'd
be
willing
to
telecommute,
because
one
thing
I've
noticed
about
three
months,
then
there
are
lots
of
people
who
seem
to
enjoy
telecommuting
a
year
into
it.
There's
a
seems
to
be
fewer
people
who
are
enjoying
telecommuting.
So
I'm
wondering
when
you
assess
that
data.
C
Yeah
we
sent
out
the
survey.
I
remember,
I
think
we
started,
and
this
was
I'm
sorry
yeah.
It
was
in
the
fall
because
I
think
we
came
on
board
in
august
time
frame
and
that
went
out
in
let's
say
I
think
october.
It
was.
F
And
can
you
follow
up
on
that
particular
piece,
then
for
folks
who
do
want
to
telecommute?
Would
there
be
an
opportunity
to
have
shared
work
space?
So
if
somebody
needed
to
be
in
on
monday
wednesday
friday
they
could,
they
could
share
that
space
with
someone
tuesday,
thursday,
to
also
continue
reducing
the
square
foot
needed.
C
So
that's
obviously
a
county
decision,
and
but
we
did
factor
that
into
that
80
square
feet
per
person
reduction
is
that
there
would
likely
be
some
shared
space,
whether
that's
a
shared
office,
that
a
couple
people
co-share
or
a
shared
cubicle
or
just
touch
down
spaces.
It
depends
probably
on
that
person's
needs
and
that
department's
needs.
G
You
know
everything
that
I
read
today
talking
about
major
companies,
especially
in
places
like
new
york,
philadelphia,
los
angeles
companies
are
already
walking
away
from
office
space
and
don't
plan
to
go
back
because
it's
more
efficient
for
them
and
for
their
employees
to
work
at
home.
G
You
know,
of
course,
you're
talking
about
driving
time
for
some
of
those
people
one
hour,
one
way
or
whatever,
but
I
think
with
technology
and
as
we
look
ahead
and
it's
gonna
be
even
better
that
realistically,
even
here
in
buncombe
county,
we
need
to
seriously
consider
telecommuting,
because
it's
going
to
happen
and
when
you
look
at
child
care
and
a
lot
of
the
you
know
other
things
it's
you
know
it
becomes
more
convenient
to
do.
G
I
think
we're
going
to
have
to
be
realistic
in
looking
at
that,
because
it's
coming
where
we
want
it
or
not,
and
I
think
the
companies
and
the
organizations
who
adjust
first
will
get
the
best
employees,
because
that's
going
to
be
something
that
people
are
going
to
look
at
it.
I
hear
from
a
lot
of
younger
employees
now
you
know
they're
looking
at
that
when
they
look
at
employment.
G
A
A
I
wonder
with
you
know
the
pandemic.
Being
you.
A
You
know
still
being
so
such
a
relatively
new
phenomenon
that
so
many
people
are
doing
this.
Have
we
really
had
time
as
an
organization
to
evaluate
I
mean?
Certainly,
employee
preferences
should
be
taken
into
consideration,
but
from
an
organizational
standpoint
do
we
see
you
know
a
deterioration
or
an
improvement
in
productivity,
and
you
know
I
mean.
I
think
that
the
first
consideration
I
would
want
to
think
about
is
like,
what's
the
best
thing
for
the
organization
to
make
sure
we
deliver
the
public
services
that
we
are
here
to
do
right.
A
The
first
question
we
ask
about
this,
and,
and
if
we
you
know-
and
if
we're
seeing
that
hey,
we
can
have
a
lot
of
telecommuting
that
where
we
see
no
drop-off
in
the
quality
of
the
services
that
we
provide,
that
I'm
totally
open
to
it,
but
I
want
to
carefully
look
at
it,
because
this
is
kind
of
a
kind
of
a
new
societal
phenomenon
in
some
ways
in
terms
of
it
being
done
at
such
a
large
scale.
A
So
if
we
go
into
this,
I
would
just
want
to
really
keep
our
eye
on
that
and
I'm
sure
you
know,
as
terry
said,
I
think
people's
views
on
this
will
probably
look
different
in
a
year
from
now
or
two
years
from
now.
So
I
think
we
should
just
keep
our
eyes
on
that
that
question.
I
don't
know
if
there's
any
initial
feedback
on
that
now.
Yes,.
H
Prior
to
kovit,
the
county
already
had
a
semi
telecommuting
policy.
Several
folks
in
human
services
are
already
telling
the
community,
and
especially
to
back
office
folks
that
all
they
do
all
day
long
is
call
people
so
they're
already
telecommuting.
It's
got
some
telecommuting
folks
as
well.
So
that
has
been
something
we've
been
doing.
We
did
add
that
up
joe
and
covid
because
of
space
or
people
that
had
needs
as
far
as
health
risk
or
even
child
care
needs.
We
did
a
lot
more
people
to
telecommute,
but
we
look.
H
H
We
wanted
to
make
sure
that
any
department
that
was
forward-facing
still
had
a
presence
in
the
office
and,
as
you
can
tell,
we
never
really
closed
the
county
offices,
but
those
that
could
work
from
home
in
a
safe
way
and
still
produce
the
benefit
to
the
community.
We
did
allow
that
the
ask
tonight
would
be
if
you
want
to
extend
that
and
continue
that
beyond
the
temporary
that
we
did
put
in
place,
we
put
an
emergency
temporary
policy
in
place.
H
If
we're
going
to
talk
about
that,
more
there's,
so
many
more
buildings,
and
so
many
more
dominoes
that
this
could
impact
that
we
can
have
better
quality
services
to
our
community
and
when
I
say
better,
the
one
that
comes
to
mind
is
the
driver
that
she
put
on
the
screen
around.
If
we
were
to
use
40
cops,
we
built
40,
but
we
never
really
put
all
the
people
there
to
fill
fully
filled
up
to
fully
fill
all
the
space
in
40
cox.
H
I
H
H
We
haven't
had
a
lot
of
feedback
from
employees
that
can't
have
access
to
work
from
home.
We
told
them
if
that's
not
an
opportunity.
There's
a
building
here,
that
you
can
come
to
work
every
day.
So
you
don't
we're
not
going
to
upsize
your
home
internet
feed
or
work
from
home
because
we
already
have
a
facility
here.
H
But
if
you
can
safely
provide
service-
and
you
can
make
sure
your
productivity
does
not
languish
at
all,
you
could
have
the
opportunity
to
work
from
home,
so
the
people
that
took
advantage
of
that
a
lot
of
them
had
kids
at
home
already.
Then
they
were
going
through
this
virtual
learning.
So
several
of
them
took
advantage
of
that
people
that
work
from
home
already
decided
to
go
ahead
and
stay.
That
way.
B
H
Folks
that
are
on
the
road,
a
lot
that
my
inspectors
don't
have
to
come
into
work
every
single
day.
My
social
workers
don't
have
to
come.
My
id
folks
don't
have
to
come
in
the
office
every
day,
so
they
were
pretty
intentional.
Who
can
have
that
opportunity?
It
wasn't
broad-based
across
the
organization.
I
Follow-Up
question,
as
as
commissioner
whiteside
said,
we're
certainly
seeing
a
lot
of
large
corporations
moving
in
this
direction
and
just
wonder
what
we're
seeing
from
sort
of
other
local
governments
or
pure
counties
or
in
terms
of
how
they're
thinking
about
this.
H
J
C
And
I
do
also
want
to
point
out
that
when
we
were
talking
about
maybe
30
to
60
people
from
a
department
telecommuting,
that's
nowhere
near
the
entire
department
size.
So
there
is
no
plan
with
those
numbers
to
totally
remove
an
entire
department
and
move
that
entire
department
to
virtual
every
department
is
still
has
that
shared
space
in
the
offices
for
those
people
who
are
in.
A
This
might
be
getting
kind
of
in
the
weeds,
but
I
guess
the
only
other
just
kind
of
question
I
would
raise
or
just
kind
of
concern
because
and
again
very
open
to
this.
I
think
there
are
a
lot
of
advantages
to
to
utilizing
this.
You
know
technology.
Do
we
do
we
create
any?
But
again
I
just.
I
want
to
make
sure
that
we
always
kind
of
keep
the
ability
for
the
organization
to
do
what
it
believes
is
in
the
organization
and
therefore
the
comm.
A
You
know
the
public's
best
interest
in
terms
of
how
we
do
this.
So
if
we
create
more
policies
around
this,
do
we
create
any
kind
of
like
hr
like
rights,
for
people
to
kind
of
choose
to
do
this
like
does
it
do
we
do
we
give
up
the
option
of
kind
of
changing
it
in
the
future?
If
we're
evaluating
and
saying
you
know
we
look
at
this,
maybe
we
went
a
bit
far
on
that-
let's,
let's
walk
it
back
in
some,
so
that
I
just
don't.
A
C
So
the
next
thing
that
we
wanted
to
take
is
take
some
of
those
drivers,
one
step
further
for
you
here
and
show
you
with
the
impacts
of
some
of
those,
so,
for
example,
that
telecommuting
driver
as
avril
mentioned,
that
creates
space
at
40
cox
and
it
also
creates
space
at
the
interchange
it
building
like
she
mentioned.
If
the
hh
that
hhs
staff
could
move
from
35
woodfin
to
40
cox
or
a
portion
of
that
staff
that
opens
up
that
35
woodfin
building.
C
That
does
have
the
parking
that,
for
example,
allport
does
not
for
those
forward-facing
departments
planning
permitting
tax
air
quality
register
of
deeds.
Id
bureau
that
could
potentially
move
in
there
if
general
services
moves
all
divisions,
so
that's
grounds
fleet
and
the
general
services
department
to
the
new
fleet
building.
I
Could
you
all
tell
us
a
little
more
about
the
thinking
being
having
an
additional
ambulance
bay
and
how
that
would
build
more
capacity
or
increase
response.
C
I
can
start
that
yep,
so
there
is
currently
one
ambulance.
I
believe
one
ambulance
at
the
35
woodfin
location.
From
my
understanding.
They
have
a
second
ambulance
that
will
be
coming
within
the
next
number
of
months
or
a
year
that
35,
wife
and
location
is
a
challenge
to
get
in
and
out
of
and
a
challenge
to
be
able
to
fit
multiple
ambulances
in
that
that
basement
there
is
only
the
one
opening
there.
C
H
I
think
there's
actually
two
ambulances
coming
out
of
the
bays
right
now,
but
there's
only
like
one
facility
to
house
it,
so
we
do
have
that
expensive
equipment
not
always
protected.
We
do.
We
also
know
that
a
lot
of
our
calls
are
in
the
downtown
area
not
really
out,
but
having
one
ambulance
to
cover
this
location
drives
our
response
time
up
so
having
more
than
one
ambulance.
D
C
So
air
quality
and
hhs
are
currently
in
it's
a
two-story
building
on
52
cox.
It
is
approximately
three
to
four
thousand
square
feet.
It
has
egress
issues.
It
only
has
one
exit
from
the
upper
floor,
and
so
what
we
are
proposing
in
this
last
bullet
point
is
to
relocate
the
people
that
are
in
that
building
into
both
the
forward-facing
building
and
into
40
cox.
C
Demolish
that
existing
small
building
on
site
and
build
a
new
building,
probably
about
15
000
square
feet
in
order
to
house
elections,
to
be
able
to
vacate
that
lease
at
77
mcdowell.
A
J
C
Which
is
right
across
a
small
street
from
the
board
of
elections,
distribution
building.
C
A
And
so
you
would
you
would?
The
idea
is
to
dismantle
the
gymnastics
building.
A
So
take
down
that
building
there
down
that
building
and
build
and
like
leave
the
gymnasium
building.
Yes
well,
I
certainly
think
the
idea
of
moving
elections
is
a
good
idea
for
sure
I
guess
my
only
questions
would
be.
You
know
that
is
prime
downtown
real
estate.
I
mean
it's
in
the
core
of
the
city,
so
I
and
the
way
I
like
the
idea
of
building
something
new
there
just
considering
like
I
would
just
want
us
to
think
through.
I
don't
know
in
a
way
building.
A
D
A
At
this
point,
in
you
know
the
growth
of
asheville
and
buncombe
county
side.
Maybe
just
encourage
you
to
think
about
that,
like
what's
the
future
of
of
that
site
as
part
of
the
con.
It's
just
part
of
the
thought
process
on
this,
but
I
generally
like
the
idea
of
moving
it,
and
I
just
just
want
to
make
sure
we
fully
utilize
that
really
valuable
real
estate
that
we
own
downtown
and.
H
H
H
G
C
A
J
A
I
understand
one
other
question:
I've
got
so
I
feel
like
it's
been
a
while,
since
we
talked
about
this,
but
in
terms
of
moving
stuff
over
to
35
wood
fin,
I
mean
I
like
that
idea,
a
lot
that
has
a
lot
of
appeal.
It's
a
great
space
and
it
is
very
user
friendly.
A
So
in
terms
of
activities
associated
with
family
justice
center,
did
we
lose
any
just
talk?
Can
we
talk
about
that?
A
little
bit?
Do
we
lose
any
of
the
you
know
what
we
currently
have
in
terms
of
benefits,
of
how
that's
situated.
C
So
the
discussion
that
we've
had
around
this
bullet
item
is
to
not
touch
the
family
justice
center
for
that
to
remain
in
place
at
35
woodfin.
The
proximity
to
the
courts
makes
a
lot
of
sense.
That
facility
is
kind
of
well
planned
out
in
that
location,
so
it
would
be
using
the
remainder
of
the
space
within
that
building.
B
I
Just
to
go
back
for
one
second
so,
and
the
question
brownie
was
asking
is
what
you
all
are
for
proposing
is
that
52
get
demolished
and
a
new
building
be
built
that
would
just
house
sort
of
the
offices
and
core
functions.
Election
services
and
we'd
retain
the
blue
building
for
storage,
or
are
you
all
contemplating
what
brownie
was
outlining,
which
is
we'd,
build
a
bigger
52,
a
new
52
cox,
and
could
could
vacate
the
blue
building
right.
H
I
J
A
Biggest
transit
hub
of
western
north
carolina,
I
mean
people
have
talked
about.
You
know
child
care.
I
mean
there's
just
a
lot
of
different
things,
that
for
especially
for
folks
who
use
transit
like
they're,
pretty
much
all
making
a
trip
there.
Maybe
they're
then
going
somewhere
else.
So
maybe
there's
other.
D
J
G
E
G
J
G
G
And
I'd
hate
to
see
us
shoot
ourselves
in
the
foot
like
the
schools
are
doing
now.
You
know
I'm
thinking
about
selling
land
or
getting
rid
of
it
when
they
have
nothing
to
look
at
in
the
future.
But
we
need
to
keep
that
you
know
keep
our
options
open,
but
what
you're
planning
here,
I
think,
is
great
because
if
I
remember
the
elections
building
over
choctaw
we're
leasing
that
it's
pretty
high
lease
plus
the
building
is
in
lousy
condition
if
you've
been
through
that
it's
lousy.
G
You
know
I've
been
in
there,
but
I
think
this
is
good
good
planning
and
if,
when
we
look
at
utilization
of
the
buildings
going
forward,
it's
critical
that
we,
you
know
lousy
buildings
we
get
rid
of.
We
don't
want
to
keep
them,
because
all
it
is
is
more
money
that
we'll
have
to
spend.
But
I
like
what
you're
you
know
proposing.
F
Do
we
know
how
much
upfitting
will
be
needed
to
make
these
moves
happen
to
accommodate.
I
Can
you
spend
a
little
more
time
on
where
would
the
space
that
planning
and
permitting
are
currently
occupying?
What's
the
vision
for
that
space,
I'll.
B
H
Vision,
but
it
is
so
close
to
the
sheriff's
office
yeah,
something
that
we
will
look
for
as
overflow
we've
talked
before,
with
the
sheriff
about
inmates
that
will
come
to
jail
that
have
mental
health
issues
instead
of
put
them
in
the
general
population.
How
can
we
look
for
a
place
that
that
would
look?
So
that's
one
opportunity,
but
we
have
not
really
fully
explored
what
would
go
there,
but
our
hope
would
be
that
we
could
put
the
sheriff's
office
in
that
space
as
well,
so
it
could
be
for
housing
for
mental
health
issues.
H
The
sheriff's
also
a
need
he's
at
leicester
crossing
now,
but
we
know
that
he
has
inadequate
storage
for
evidence,
we're
using
shipping
containers
that
are
not
temperature
control.
So
there's
opportunities
that
we
can
look
at
to
see.
How
can
we
make
sure
that
footprint
becomes
a
sheriff's
office
campus
for
all
the
things
that
we
know
he
needs.
I
G
G
I
H
There's
other
needs
that
we
haven't
addressed,
for
instance,
training
facility.
We
don't
have
a
place
that
we
truly
train.
We
have
a
lot
of
communication
needs
and
lillian
has
asked
about
if
there's
ever
a
place
that
you
can
have
com,
press
conferences
and
the
like,
we
don't
have
the
space
that
he
use
is
a
rented
space
that
we
pay
90
000
a
year
for
for
that
little
bill
that
he
used
so
there's
opportunities
that
we
can
have
get.
J
E
Well,
I
would
like
to
add
one
thing:
I'm
I'm
supportive,
and
this
sounds
good
how
this
is
going
before
we
go
on
to
libraries,
though,
as
I
happen
to
know
something
about
the
ag
area.
I
would
like
to
just
mention
a
few
things
of
why
I
think
the
ag
center
is
a
good
idea
with
that,
because
the
realities
of
where
it
is
or
what
we're
having
to
deal
with
now
is
it's
really
complicated
for
farmers
to
get
there
to.
J
E
J
E
J
E
E
Demonstrations
as
well
have
educational
space
because
where
they
are
now,
they
have
well
pre-coveted.
They
had
basically
100
people
wanting
to
come
and
be
able
to
do
educational
events,
and
they
have
the
space
for
maybe
50
to
fit
in
that
space.
So
and
there's
there's
going
to
continue
to
be
growth
of
those
educational
things
that
they're
offering.
E
E
Because
we
have
rental
equipment,
a
lot
of
folks,
don't
realize
that.
But
we
have
rental
equipment
for
farms,
and
we
don't
have
a
place
to
house
that
right
now,
it's
spread
out
in
different
farms
around
the
county
and
so
it'd
be
really
great
in
this
space
to
be
able
to
have
coverage
shelter
where
we
could
house
that
rental
equipment
and
that
would
make
life
a
lot
easier
to
take
care
of
the
rental
equipment
and
for
the
accessibility
for
everyone
as
well.
C
The
one
thing
I
do
want
to
point
out
so
so,
thanks
for
bringing
that
up,
is
if
there
were
any
of
these
drivers
that
you
saw
that
we
didn't
have
a
further
discussion
on
that.
You
think
are
high
priority
items.
C
C
Those
four
on
the
list
are
some
of
actually,
I
believe
those
four
are
actually
all
in
the
top
10
lowest
ranked
buildings,
the
the
construction
of
the
east
asheville
library.
How
does
that
impact
other
adjacent
libraries
such
as
south
asheville
and
swannanoa
staffing
as
a
whole?
C
There
is
a
large
number
of
libraries
in
the
system,
so
that
is
a
challenge
and
it's
a
challenge
to
provide
the
services
that
each
of
those
library
wants
to
offer
with
the
staffing
that's
available
and
then
the
last
point
full
service
library.
So
a
lot
of
the
libraries
act
as
neighborhood
community
libraries.
They
don't
have
the
full
range
of
services
that,
for
example,
pac
library
has
more
of
the
technology
more
of
the
spaces
for
meeting,
and
so,
if
it's
important
to
have
more
of
those
services
available
closer
to
the
general
public.
C
And
then
there
are
a
number
of
branch
libraries,
a
potential
future
organization
that
we've
explored
is
making
a
series
of
regional
libraries
each
of
those
regional
libraries
having
more
services
available
in
terms
of
the
technology
in
terms
of
the
meeting
spaces.
In
terms
of
that
library
of
the
future
model,
bringing
the
technical
services
and
administration
component
potentially
outside
of
a
library
itself.
That's
a
lot
of
back
of
house
things.
They
don't
need
to
be
located
within
library,
they
can
be
located
elsewhere.
C
They
don't
need
to
be
located
downtown,
they
can
be
located
elsewhere
and
then
those
area
branches
kind
of
serving
and
making
sure
that
the
general
public
has
access
close
access,
those
models-
and
this
was
presented
to
the
library
board
and
some
of
their
feedback.
They
did
like
the
the
regional
model.
C
They
just
wanted
to
ensure
that
if
the
regional
model
is
a
model,
that's
implemented
that
those
regional
branches
still
act
as
that
kind
of
community
neighborhood
feel
that
they
don't
act
as
a
library
without
that
connection
to
the
community
that
making
sure
that
the
staff
is
part
of
this,
that
we're
looking
at
not
just
the
staffing
efficiencies
but
making
sure
that
the
staff
is
available
to
provide
the
services
that
they're
looking
at.
For
these,
the
library
world
is
changing.
J
K
We
have
not
talked
to
the
staff
about
the
two
different
models:
they
have
had
opportunities
to
offer
feedback,
as
rachel
mentioned
during
the
process,
but
this
is
just
relatively
new.
The
preliminary
findings,
so
they
haven't,
had
a
meeting
regarding
this.
C
Part
of
the
the
this
regional
model
was
built
around
the
fact
that
there
are
staffing
efficiencies
available
more
available
within
a
regional
model.
So
thinking
about
that
and
then
also
looking
at
how
you
get
those
types
of
services
further
out
to
the
public
rather
than
having
that
potential
central
location.
J
D
With
terry
with
what
terry
just
said,
but
I
guess
first
of
all,
if
you
could
reiterate
what
some
examples
are
of
what
kind
of
services
are
available
at
the
central
library
location
today
that
isn't
available
at
you
know
at
our
current
branches,
and
then
I
guess
the
second
question
would
be
in
a
in
a
world
where
we
are
moving
forward
with
this.
This
alternate
model
we're
trying
to
think
of
like
south
buncombe
library.
K
So
with
pack,
basically,
what
what
you're
talking
about
there
is?
It's,
it's
larger.
You
know.
Most
of
our
libraries
have
a
relatively
small
footprint
like
that
was
mentioned
in
the
presentation.
K
G
K
You
know
these
like
really
kind
of
more
active
learning
spaces,
and
we
have
now,
you
know
traditionally,
with
the
library,
has
been
sort
of
a
repository
with
some
meeting
rooms.
You
know
we
can
go
be
beyond
that
now
and
so
the
the
libraries
that
we
have
right
now
have
a
much
smaller
footprint.
You
just
can't
reverse
engineer
that
necessarily
into
a
smaller
footprint
like
that.
That's
where
the
regionals
come
in.
You
can
build
that
capacity
and
spread
it
throughout
the
community.
If
that
makes
sense,.
C
It
might
be
a
combination
of
the
two,
some
of
the
it
depends
on
which
locations
would
be
selected.
We
haven't
gone
so
far
as
to
say
necessarily,
which
ones
would
be
the
regional
ones.
Some
of
them
are
on
sites
that
don't
have
capacity
to
expand.
A
A
It's
while
I
like
the
concept
like
if
we
really
started
having
like
a
more
full
plan
of
like
and
then
here's
what
it
takes
to
do
that
it
might
be
like
that's
a
neat
idea,
but
wow.
That's
a
lot
of
capital
investment
to
get
there.
A
So
I
guess
just
that's
just
my
my
high
level
feedback,
because
I
think
it's
interesting,
but
it's
it's
seems
hard
to
really
kind
of
give
like
an
you
know,
a
strong
endorsement
of
one
versus
the
other,
with
just
kind
of
such
a
high
level
kind
of
set
of
information
at
this
point,
so
I'm
certainly
open
to
learning
more.
But
I
love
the
new
east
asheville
library,
so
I'm
thrilled.
A
We
did
it,
but
we
also
knew
you
know
that
one
project
was
an
expensive
capital
investment
for
us
and
so
like
how
many
more
of
those
might
there
be,
or
even,
if
some
of
the
our
larger
facilities,
what
that
would
look
like,
as
we
think
about
all
the
other
capital
needs.
We
have
too,
and
obviously
we
just
have
to
all
be
sifted
through
a
lot
more
detail.
H
Right
and
this
this
plan
is
going
to
be
completed,
maybe
in
april
the
timeline
on
the
plan
completion
is
april,
so
we
were
trying
to
get
input
today.
So
we
can
finish
out
that
plan
so
you've,
given
us
some
guidance
now,
the
the
bigger
one
would
be.
Do
we
continue
the
small
branch
libraries
or
do
we
look
at
that
regional?
So
we
can
build
out
what
that
looks
like
and
bring
that
back
to
you
and
see.
H
H
If
you
look
at
this
one,
another
black
mountain,
the
conversations
we
had
two
budget
years
ago
now
it
was
just
staffing
you
have
one
person
working
which
is
not
a
safety
issue.
We
will
come
back
to
you
with
more
staffing
to
help
to
make
sure
those
facilities
are
done,
but
as
you're
thinking
about
investing
in
the
facilities,
you
wanted
to
get
your
input
on.
What
direction
we
should
go
long
term,
so
the
capital
needs
might
be
a
five-year
10-year
capital
plan,
but
we
know
that
we're
moving
in
that
direction
over
time.
G
H
Mcpl
will
go
back,
complete
this
analysis
and
come
back
to
us
with
a
plan,
maybe
in
the
april
time
frame
that
would
have
some
numbers
and
then
we
can
decide
on
first
steps
to
get
do
we
start
this
in
our
budget
this
year,
which
ones?
If
any,
do
we
start
looking
at
so
they'll,
be
back
to
you
again
in
april?
Is
that
the
right
timeline
right
so
today
today
was
around
guidance,
and
where
do
you
want
us
to
land
on
some
of
these
decisions
so.
A
Does
this
mean
that,
like
some
of
the
really
smaller
facilities
might
not
be
continued
in
favor
of
creating
kind
of
enhanced
regional
facilities
and
therefore,
like
you
know,
there's
some
additional
cost
and
some
some
great
new
stuff,
but
we
might
try
to
save
some
money
by
discontinuing
some
of
the
other
services
we
offer
now
or
facilities.
We
often
offer
now.
C
The
goal
is
to
be
able
to
look
at
those
drive
times
and
make
sure
that
we're
providing
services
to
every
part
of
the
community,
and
if
that
means
that
we
need
to
have
a
branch
in
a
certain
location
to
be
able
to
make
sure
that
we're
providing
that
if
we
end
up
with
two
branches,
for
example
with
east
asheville.
If
we
end
up
with
branches
right
next
to
each
other
and
people
who
were
going
to
to
one
of
them
to
south
asheville
are
now
going
to
east
fashion.
C
Because
it's
a
nicer,
newer
library-
and
we
don't
have
that-
need
that's
something
that
that
will
be
considered
here.
But.
A
I
mean
for
me,
I
think
kind
of
that
level
of
specificity
is
just
what
I
would
probably
need
to
see
to
give
more
meaningful
feedback
for
you
at
this
point.
You
know
like
with
the
I
love
the
slides
before
around
okay.
You
know
these
this
department's
getting
here
and
then
that's
freed
up
and
this
you
can
kind
of
start
visualizing
it
I
mean
to
me
it's
still.
A
It's
still
kind
of
abstract.
I
like
the
concepts,
but
until
we
kind
of
start
seeing
how
it
might
sort
of
start
playing
out
like
around
the
county,
it's
a
little
bit
harder.
So
I
I
think
kind
of
further
planning
and
reporting
back
to
us
would
is
what
I
would
be
looking
for
on
this
any
other
questions
or
comments.
Yeah.
F
I
think
from
that
high
level
planning-
I
certainly
you
know
at
first
glance,
really
like
the
idea
of
the
regional
branches.
Not
everyone
wants
to
come
downtown
to
pack,
a
library,
not
everyone
has
transportation
to
come
downtown.
So
looking
at
those
regional
branches
that
do
provide
more
services
to
folks
throughout
the
county,
I
think
is
really
important,
and
I
hear
what
the
library
board
is
saying
about
staying
true
to
the
community.
F
More
in
tune
with
the
needs
of
the
community
with
those
smaller
branches
and
provide
the
services
and
the
programs
that
a
particular
community
needs.
So
I
think,
if
planned
correctly,
it
surpasses
the
need
the
concerns
about
that
true
feeling
of
a
community.
I
think
we
can
design
it
so
it
creates
even
more
community
and
a
place
that
people
want
to
come
to.
A
C
A
All
right
great
well,
thank
you
very
much
and
thanks
for
all
the
great
work
that's
been
put
into
this
so
far
and
we'll
see
you
in
april,
okay,
avril,
okay,
great
that's,
concluded
the
business
we
wanted
to
take
care
of
now.
So
we're
going
to
adjourn
and
our
plan
is
to
reconvene
at
five
o'clock
for
our
regular
meeting.