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From YouTube: Board of Commissioners' Regular Meeting (Sept. 18, 2018)
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Regular Meeting of the Buncombe County Board of Commissioners from Sept. 18, 2018. To view the agenda, or future meeting agendas, please visit buncombecounty.org/commissioners.
A
A
Before
we
begin
our
meeting
this
evening,
I'd
like
to
ask
that
we
take
a
moment
to
recognize
the
many
communities
and
families
across
North,
Carolina,
South,
Carolina
and
other
states
that
have
been
devastated
by
Hurricane
Florence
over
the
past
week
and
which
will
continue
to
be
impacted
by
extreme
flooding.
The
extreme
flooding
of
many
rivers,
16
rivers
in
North
Carolina,
are
now
at
major
flood
levels.
A
A
Let
us
have
a
moment
of
silence
to
offer
prayers
for
the
people
who
have
been
hurt
by
this
storm
and
to
reflect
on
how
we
can
be
of
service
to
others
during
this
time.
Let
us
also
reflect
on
how
we
can
demonstrate
our
appreciation
to
the
thousands
of
emergency
rescue
personnel
and
public
safety
officers
and
others
who
have
saved
hundreds
of
lives
this
past
week.
A
Thank
you,
I'd
like
to
announce
that
parking,
validation
and
bus
passes
are
now
available
for
County
Commission
meetings.
Anyone
who
is
at
the
meeting
this
evening,
who
is
using
a
county
parking
facility
or
used
transit
services
to
come
to
this
meeting,
can
secure
validation
from
the
county
security
personnel,
who
are
here
with
us
this
evening,
so
feel
free
to
talk
to
them
on
the
way
out.
If
you
need
validation
for
parking
or
transit.
A
Now,
let
me
read
the
ethics
reminder
to
the
board.
In
accordance
with
the
code
of
ethics
adopted
by
the
board,
all
county
commissioners
have
a
duty
to
obey
all
applicable
laws
regarding
official
actions
to
uphold
the
integrity
and
independence
of
the
office,
to
avoid
impropriety
in
the
exercise
of
official
duties
to
faithfully
perform
the
duties
of
the
office
and
to
conduct
the
affairs
of
the
office
of
the
governing
board
in
an
open
and
public
manner.
A
Is
there
any
item
on
the
agenda,
the
outcome
of
which
will
have
a
direct,
substantial
and
readily
identifiable
financial
impact
for
any
board?
Member
also.
Does
any
board
member
have
a
financial
interest
in
any
public
contract
coming
before
the
board?
Today,
all
right,
seeing
none
all
board
members,
have
a
duty
and
obligation
to
vote
on
any
matters
voted
on
by
the
board.
At
this
meeting,
all
right,
we
now
come
to
the
consent
agenda.
Is
there
a
motion
to
approve
the
consent
agenda
and
to
follow
the
agenda
as
published.
B
A
C
A
E
Good
evening,
commissioners,
as
mr.
Newman
said,
I'm
Rachel,
bliss
and
I'm,
with
WNC
for
Peace
and
Veterans
for
Peace,
zero,
nine,
nine
and
we're
here
to
invite
you
to
our
International
Day
of
Peace
celebration.
That's
going
to
be
September
21st,
this
Friday
11:30
a.m.
over
at
our
new
garden,
the
elder
and
sage
community
garden
on
page
Avenue
this
year
we're
going
to
dedicate
a
new
peace.
Pole
it'll
be
the
first
one,
that's
on
public
property
here
in
Asheville,
and
it
has.
E
May
peace
prevail
on
earth
in
four
languages,
Cherokee,
Korean,
English
and
one
more
was
Spanish
and
we'd
love
to
have
you
come
and
be
there
at
our
dedication
will
also
be
naming
our
peacemakers
of
the
year.
They
are
young
married
couple.
She
is
american-born,
Rachel,
joy
and
her
husband
is
Yosef,
not
sure
they're,
both
with
Christian
peacemakers
and
they
have
been
promoting
peace
between
Israel
and
Palestine
in
our
own
area,
I
would
say,
I'm
very
disappointed
that
your
Commission
was
not
able
to
approve
our
proclamation
designating
peace
day
on
Friday.
E
We
did
have
some
good
news,
though
the
city
of
Asheville
did
proclaim
that
day
as
Peace
Day,
and
also
our
state
delegation,
Susan,
Fisher
and
Brian
Turner
and
John,
agar
and
I.
Think
the
other
one
is
McGrady
I'll
find
out
Friday
they
all
as
well
the
proclamation,
but
we
will
go
ahead
and
celebrate
International
Day
of
Peace,
but
I
also
want
you
to
be
aware
that
you
know
when
we
do
not
have
peace
when
we
put
most
of
our
focus
on
war
in
the
military,
much
of
our
taxes
go
to
pay
for
that.
E
281
million
dollars
of
our
tax
money
has
gone
to
the
military
just
from
Buncombe
County.
So
please,
let
us
remember
the
good
news
of
peace
and
do
all
we
can
to
bring
about
peace
by
being
more
insistent
at
the
federal
levels
that
we
keep
more
of
that
money
here
at
home
for
Buncombe
County
in
case
we're
ever
faced
with
emergency,
like
we
had
with
Hurricane
Florence
this
past
weekend.
We
need
better
infrastructure.
We
need
to
be
prepared
to
rebuild
infrastructure.
E
E
F
A
F
A
All
right,
thank
you,
okay
and
I
would
just
you
know,
I
would
I
think
this
was
communicated
through
the
staff
that,
if
you
you
know,
we
have
done
a
resolution
in
the
past
and
if
you'd
like
for
us
to
consider
it
in
the
future
I'd
encourage
you
to
share
it
with
the
board
a
little
bit
earlier
than
this
year.
So
everyone
can
look
at
it
and
if
you
know
and
consider
that,
but
it
kind
of
came
in
somewhat
late
and
I,
don't
think
it
would
have
been
a
consensus
item
of
the
board.
A
G
H
H
The
payments
are
made
over
three
years
and
the
first
promise
payment
is
2.5
million
and
we
had
a
meeting
with
them
recently
and
they
made
us
aware
that
they'll
probably
have
everything
ready
to
go
on
that
and
make
that
request,
probably
in
the
next
couple
of
months.
So
I
just
wanted
y'all
to
be
aware
that
the
money
is
already
budgeted
for
that.
H
We
do
need
a
decision
on
sending
two
commissioners
and
one
legal
staff
to
Chicago
on
September
26th
for
a
meeting
of
the
opioid
class-action
lawsuit
against
the
big
pharma
companies,
we're
part
of
that
consortium,
and
they
will
pay
the
travel
and
lodging
for
that,
but
they
prefer
to
have
two
commissioners
and
one
of
our
legal
staff
attend
that
meeting
and
they're
recommending
mr.
chairman,
that
you'd
be
one
of
those
commissioners.
If
you
can
make
that
what
are
the
dates
on
its
September
26
is
the
meeting.
H
D
I
H
So
we
do
need
to
try
to
nail
that
down
as
soon
as
possible.
Just
another
update,
we'll
be
bidding
out
shortly.
The
parking
services
contract
to
manage
our
multiple
surface
lights
and
also
the
new
parking
deck
at
the
Department
of
Health
and
Human
Services
Building
on
Cox
Avenue.
The
current
agreement
at
164,
College
Street
right
next
door
has
several
more
years
to
run
so
we're
not
able
to
put
that
into
the
bid
package.
H
We
got
the
two
million
eighty
eight
thousand
seven
hundred
forty
dollars
and
seventy
cents
settlement
check
with
the
insurance
companies
over
the
whole
life
insurance
policies.
We
got
that
last
Monday
and,
of
course,
have
deposited
that
and
prior
to
doing
that.
The
Chairman
executed
the
original
of
the
settlement
agreement,
and
so
we
have
all
of
that
in
place.
All
of
that
is
now
done.
We've
also
executed
the
original
of
the
agreement
with
mr.
Slavin
over
the
county
manager
search
contract
for
him
for
him
and
he
has
begun
work
there.
H
The
last
thing
I
wanted
to
mention
to
you
is:
we've
executed
this
past
week,
a
lease
agreement
for
solid
waste
on
a
loader
which
is
thirty,
seven
thousand
six
hundred
thirty
two
dollars
and
forty
cent
Ann
you
Allah,
and
an
excavator
which
is
fifty
four
thousand
fourteen
dollars
annually.
These
are
for
the
new
transfer
station
I.
Think
for
those
of
you
who
are
able
to
make
it
to
the
ribbon-cutting
there,
you
saw
those
two
pieces
of
equipment
out
there.
H
A
I
H
I
J
K
J
The
Cooperative
Extension
is
related
to
revenues
in
which
they
generate
and
spend
and
program
revenues,
and
it's
restricted.
The
soil
conservation
will
be
for
the
same
reason,
so
restricted
program,
revenues
that
have
gone
unspent
in
fiscal
year
18
and
need
to
be
available
for
spending
in
fiscal
year
19
for
general
services.
There
was
a
bus,
shelter
project
which
was
under
contract.
J
A
H
G
J
A
Okay,
so
I
guess
just
again
going
to
go
back
to
the
process.
Should
we
vote
on
each
of
these
after
there's
an
explanation
and
to
approve
them
or
wait
till
we're
done
and
then
approve
them
together.
Just
I.
A
Okay,
why
don't
we?
Why
don't
we
just
have
a
short
explanation
and
then
go
ahead
and
vote
on
that
one
and
then
we'll
go
on
to
the
next
one.
So
is
there
a
motion
to
approve
and
how
should
this
be
phrased,
I
mean
we
could
just
say
from
the
staff
report:
the
king
appropriated
funds,
Cooperative
Extension,
soil
conservation,
general
services,
7,000,
Cooperative,
Extension,
six,
sixty
sixty,
which
adds
up
to
fifteen
thousand
eight
hundred
and
thirty
six
dollars.
Is
that
sufficient
to
describe
the
first
group?
Okay,
I
think?
A
A
Okay,
you
know
what
I'm
changing
my
mind:
cuz,
here's
the
thing
is,
we
need
to
take
public
comment
on
this,
so
why
don't
we?
Why
don't
we
go
through
all
of
them
and
then
we're
gonna
ask
for
public
comment
on
any
of
them
and
then
we'll
go
through
a
little
bit
on
vote
on
each
group.
So
let's
just
keep
the
queue
going
with
the
presentation,
all
right.
Sorry
about
that
I'm.
J
Capital
projects
fund
3:41,
so
those
are
related
because
it
involves
two
funds.
So
I'll
try
to
explain
that
as
as
clearly
as
possible.
So
last
meeting
on
September
the
4th,
the
board
voted
to
approve
six
additional
school
resource
officer
positions
in
conjunction
with
grant
funding
due
to
be
received
from
Buncombe
County
Schools.
So
in
the
general
fund
budget
amendment,
you
see
the
additional
revenue
of
one
hundred
and
eighty
five
thousand
nine
hundred
fifty-seven
dollars
added
to
the
general
fund
in
anticipation
of
receiving
that
from
Buncombe
County
Schools.
A
J
The
in
the
general
fund,
there
is
no
new
appropriated
funds,
so
the
additional
revenue
that's
due
to
be
received
from
the
schools
and
the
grant.
So
it's
via
the
grant
and
then
the
savings
in
which
you
already
have
in
the
capital
fund
that
we
we
addressed
in
dist
or
if
you
saw
last
week
in
in
your
contingency
in
the
amount
of
four
hundred
and
twenty-two
408
dollars.
That
will
make
up
the
balance
of
what's
needed
between
the
fleet
requirement
for
the
purchase
of
the
vehicles
and
the
salary
and
fringe
and
operating
for
those
associated
officers.
J
H
Y'all,
remember
you
when
we
looked
at
it
at
the
last
meeting
this
year
is
higher
than
next
year,
because
we've
got
to
pay
for
the
vehicles
and
equipping
the
officers
the
six
officers
this
year.
That's
why
there's
a
higher
amount
this
year
next
year,
all
we'd
be
doing,
is
paying
for
their
salaries
and
fringe
benefits.
Excuse.
G
H
G
Right
now,
let's
see
what
vehicles
we
have
in
stock,
because
we
have
a
lot
of
retired
sheriff's
officers
driving
vehicles
home
today
and
see
what
we
can
do,
they're
used
and
yeah.
They
would
be
in
used
vehicles
and
we
just
need
to
see.
We
just
don't
need
to
add
add
to
the
fleet
if
we
don't
have
to
at
the
present
time.
C
I
H
H
H
If
you
put
the,
if
you
put
the
money
there,
I
mean,
if
you
want
me
to
talk
with
the
sheriff
about,
can
he
cut
back
on
the
number
of
cars?
We
can
certainly
do
that
before
we
spend
the
money,
but
I
would
still
recommend
you
go
ahead
and
move
the
money
in
case
we
need
it,
but
if
we
don't,
then
you
know
we
won't
spend
it.
I
have.
M
A
quick
clarifying
question
I
think
you
might
have
reviewed
this,
but
just
one
more
time,
for
my
sake.
So
last
when
we
voted
on
or
when
the
vote
was
taken
on
this,
the
county
contribution
need
in
year
one
was
four
hundred
eighty
three
thousand
dollars
and
seventy
four
hundred
eighty
three
than
seventy
three
four
hundred,
eighty
three
thousand
seventy
three
dollars
and
the
budget
amendment
reflects
four
hundred
nineteen
thousand
eight
hundred
seventy
one
dollars
one
more
time,
just
walk
through
the
differential
there.
So
these.
J
I
J
J
I'm,
so
the
third
budget,
amendment
in
the
summary
for
the
general
fund
references
the
request
for
an
interfund
transfer
with
an
offsetting
reduction
in
appropriated
funds,
the
related
amendment
in
fund
four
eighty,
which
is
the
Health
employment
property
and
casualty
fund.
You
heard
mr.
woods
speak
to
the
receipt
of
two
million
in
eighty
eight
thousand
seven
hundred
and
forty
one
dollars
as
a
result
of
the
settlement
from
Guardian
life.
J
So
the
amendment
for
the
Health
employment,
property
and
casualty
fund
receives
that
revenue
and
has
an
offsetting
request
to
transfer
an
amount
of
1
million,
eight
hundred
and
sixty
three
nine
hundred
and
seven
dollars
to
the
general
fund,
which
is
an
amount
that
is
equivalent
to
the
educating
education
funding
that
you
increased
last
last
meeting.
So
this
basically
replaces
the
use
of
your
additional
appropriated
fun
balance
for
education
back
to
the
general
fund,
the
balance
of
those
dollars.
Two
hundred
and
twenty
four
eight
hundred
and
thirty
four
dollars
we
were.
J
We
are
requesting
that
we
leave
that
balance
in
the
Health
employment,
Property
and
Casualty
fund
and
identify
those
as
dollars
for
increased
expenses
related
to
retirees
expenses
and
that
were
unanticipated
for
fiscal
year.
Nineteen
there's
those
are
expenses
that
we
need
to
pay
to
the
retirement
system
on
Pat,
on
behalf
of
retirees
that
are
over
the
dollar
amount
that
we
would
have
anticipated
in
fiscal
year.
Nineteen.
I
G
A
J
H
J
We
can
address
that
next
next
meeting
I'm
so
moving
on
to
so
we've
already
discussed
the
fourth
on
the
budget.
Amendment
summary
the
fifth
on
the
budget.
Amendment
summary
is
the
solid
waste
capital
projects
fund
on
this
is
a
request
to
appropriate
some
of
that
funds.
Addition
that
funds
appropriated
fund
balance
or
their
fund
balance.
They
are
a
self
covering
fund
and
enterprise
fund.
H
I
A
A
I
think
it's
it's
there's
two
different
documents
on
the.
H
J
So
the
Buncombe
County
Solid
Waste
department
is
currently
in
the
process
of
completing
construction
on
the
Phase
six
construction
and
demolition
landfill
project.
It
was
under
way
due
to
some
legal
activity.
The
contract
with
the
prime
engineering
firms
been
terminated.
This
is
to
appropriate
dollars
in
order
to
pay
the
newly
contracted
engineers
to
fulfill
the
work
that
is
needed.
Okay,.
J
A
J
J
So
these
are
additional
dollars
that
will
assist
with
continuing
services
for
the
Buncombe
County
Family
Justice
Center.
It
will
provide
continued
intake
and
front-desk
services,
so
funding
for
those
salaries
and
training
on
response
to
strangulation
cases
and
equipment
to
improve
accessibility
for
people
with
intellectual
and
developmental
disabilities.
There
is
no
local
grant
match
required.
Mr.
H
J
Number
seven
on
your
budget
amendment
summary
related
to
the
inmate
commissary
fund.
So
again,
inmate
commissary
is
a
self
covering
fund.
In
fiscal
year
18
there
was
the
plan
to
purchase
a
full-body
scanner,
and
since
that
time
the
county
has
been
working
with
the
state
to
obtain
the
proper
waiver
and
compliance
document
document
ation
needed.
The
intent
was
to
purchase
that
full-body
scanner
in
fiscal
year
18.
J
A
N
N
I
mean
that's
what
I'm
concerned
in
so
I
compliment
you
I'm
trying
to
tell
us
what
you're
doing,
but
it's
a
whole
lot
simpler,
because
if
I
ran
my
checkbook
like
what
I
just
heard,
I
wouldn't
know
what
my
balance
was.
I,
wouldn't
know
what
was
coming
in
and
I
wouldn't
know
where
it
was
going
and
I'd
be
hoping
and
praying
that
it
would
work
out.
N
So
I
strongly
suggest
that
you
go
to
put
that
budget
on
the
internet
by
line
item
and
when
money
comes
out
of
it
we
know
where
that
money
goes
for
what
and
when
it
comes
in.
We
know
where
it
came
from
it,
it's
so
simple
to
say,
enter
transfer
fund
from
gobbledygook,
because
that's
right,
the
land
field
is
an
enterprise
fund.
It
generates
cash.
O
Good
afternoon,
commissioners
I
just
came
over
to
make
the
correct
not
heard
Commissioner
fryer,
say
something
about
that.
We
have
retired
folks
from
the
Sheriff's
Office
driving
vehicles
taking
them
home.
That's
not
correct.
We've
got
two
individuals
who
were
retired
came
back
as
contract
employees.
One
works
with
a
cop's
team
project,
the
other
works
with
doing
our
background
checks.
They
are
both
part-time
employees,
but
they
both
have
an
older
older
vehicles,
they're
both
150,000
miles,
plus,
with
the
assignment
we
gave
them.
O
They
have
to
have
a
vehicle
to
drive,
so
they'd
have
to
have
access
to
those
vehicles,
but
we
do
allow
them
to
take
those
vehicles
home
and
their
older
vehicles
in
the
fleet
and
there's
two
of
them.
So
I
just
want
to
make
that
clear
before
you
guys
voted
on
on
that
particular
budget
amendment.
Are
you
thank
you.
P
P
You
know
spreadsheets
in
my
head,
while
I'm
sitting
here,
but
I
think
it
would
be
more
productive
just
to
maybe
move
this
back
to
the
consent
agenda,
because
there's
a
lot
of
politically
correct
language
when
we
were
discussing
these
things
during
the
era
of
the
former
county
manager,
I
did
have
a
problem
because
all
we
had
was
like
a
budget
item.
A
dollar
amount
in
like
a
five
word
description
and
nobody
knew
what
it
was
and
when
I
asked
for
clarification,
I
was
told.
P
I
could
always
take
off
work
if
I
had
a
specific
question,
but
there
was
no
way
to
get
a
specific
question
that
was
very
problematic.
I
think
I
think
it
should
not
be
too
much
of
a
problem
to
maybe
just
give
us
a
non
politically
correct
description
of
what's
going
on
with
the
agenda,
and
then
we
can
just
put
this
on
the
consent
agenda.
Q
I
just
want
to
I,
don't
want
to
be
laughed
out
when
I
say
this,
with
the
changes
to
the
health
insurance,
I'm,
a
retired,
I'm,
DSS,
employee
and
I
just
wanted
to
make
a
statement
and
ask
for
consideration
that
the
retired
employees
should
be
able
to
keep
the
insurance.
We
don't
have
the
incentive
packages
that
that
active
employees
have
we
don't
get
the
flex
spending
account.
We
don't
get
the
cost
of
living
raises.
We
don't
have
the
longevity
benefit
that
the
I
check
that
we
get
in,
not
that
they
get
in
October.
Q
A
A
Q
Q
A
I
Can't
let
me
ask
you
a
question
Sharon?
Yes,
sir
okay,
so
this
this
format
began
in
consent
agenda.
To
summarize
these
entries
and
they're
entered
similar
to
balance
sheet.
Is
that
correct?
Yes,
expenditures
and
revenues?
Okay,
and
so
the
purpose
of
this
was
to
summarize
it
to
make
it
may
be
easier
to
if
somebody
that
wanted
the
entire
everything
that's
being
done
tonight,
okay,
but
we
also
had
budget
amendments
attached
to
this
correct.
Are
they
in
here
or
did
I,
miss
them
and
were.
H
I
Just
voting
on
the
4c
before
this
was
in
a
consent
agenda.
So
when
we
voted
for
the
consent
agenda,
it
just
voted.
It
just
voted
for
everything.
So
by
pulling
it
out
in
the
main
meeting,
which
I
think
is
good,
where
we
have
to
decide
what's
the
proper
way
to
vote
for
them
now,
is
there?
Is
there
a
budget
amendment
attached
to
each
one
of
yes.
H
I
It's
a
it's
it's
under
more
information,
so
there's
so
what
we're
doing
is
voting
for
each
of
those
budget.
Amendments
that's
under
there.
What
you
went
over
is
a
summary
just
so
that
the
public
would
have
a
one-page
summary
of
everything
that's
being
done
tonight.
The
detail
is
also
there,
which
is
in
the
same
format.
It's
it's
a
balance
sheet,
format,
revenues
and
expenditures
and.
A
Gregg's
any
other
questions
or
comments
a
high
level
before
we
start
going
through
each
one
all
right,
well,
I,
would
just
also
comment
that
I
think
the
information
that
was
presented
is
actually
really
well
organized
and
does
a
great
job
of
a
lot
of
is
very
technical.
But
I
appreciate
that
there
is
a
you
know,
a
detailed
kind
of
plain
language
description
of
what
each
of
these
items
is
really
meant
to
accomplish.
I
You
know
under
the
you
know,
just
for
more
clarification,
because
you
know
somebody
made
a
comment
about
head
spinning,
my
head
spins,
when
I
look
at
this
2sy
switched
from
accounting
to
marketing
in
in
college,
but
the
four
hundred
nineteen
thousand,
for
example-
that
will
be
one
of
the
ones
that
we'll
be
voting
on.
If
you,
if
you
pull
it
up
and
you
look
at
it,
there
is
a
tremendous
amount
of
detail
in
there
and
it
explains
down
to
four
hundred
dollar
items.
I
mean
it
explains.
I
Every
penny
of
it
and
I
would
just
like
to
make
a
make
a
statement
regarding
the
online
budget,
because
we've
we've
heard
that
mentioned
several
times
and
I
thought
we
were
doing
that
that
we
were
actually
going
to
be
able
to
have.
You
know
the
budget
online,
the
you
know
where
you
could
find
out.
You
know
what
payments
were
being
made
and
exactly
what
was
being
done.
I
know,
we
talked
through
that
a
long
time
did
that
did
that
kind
of
slow
down
or.
J
D
J
P
J
I
A
Right,
let's
go
ahead
and
the
first
one
is
the
general
fund
carry
forward
item
in
the
amount
of
fifteen
thousand
eight
hundred
sixty
three
dollars
so
I.
A
Discussion
all
in
favor,
please
say:
aye
aye,
aye
aye
any
opposed
all
right,
the
second
item
and
if
I
get
any
of
this
wrong,
please
don't
hesitate
to
interrupt
to
make
sure
we
get
this
get
all
this
right.
The
second
item
is
related
to
the
school
resource
officers
and
related
equipment
and
personnel.
The
item
is
in
the
amount
of
four
hundred
nineteen
thousand
eight
hundred
seventy
one
dollars
I.
A
I
A
C
A
I
A
A
J
B
D
J
J
I
A
G
J
I
A
The
description
on
this
item
I
believe
states
that
it's
to
budget
180
thousand
dollars
for
the
purchase
of
six
vehicles
for
six
newly
approved
school
resource
officer
positions
to
additionally
budget,
the
transfer
of
two
hundred
thirty,
three
thousand
nine
hundred
fourteen
from
the
capital
fund
to
the
general
fund
to
offset
prorated,
FY,
2019,
salary
and
fringe
and
associated
operating
costs
for
six
new
positions.
Can
we
just
make
that
as
a
motion?
Second,
okay,
all
right!
There's
a
motion
for
that
purpose.
Is
there
a
second
second?
R
A
H
Chairman
before
we
do
that,
I
think
there
was
one
additional
one
that
was
added
a
task
order.
If
y'all
recall,
when
we
cancelled
the
contracts
with
Wiseman
mm-hm,
we
had
gone
through
a
selection
process.
We
were
in
the
process
of
selecting
a
new
company,
and
so
we
have
hired
SES
to
take
that
place
and
what
we're
doing
now
is
trying
to
take
care
of
some
of
that.
So
with
that
I'm
going
to
turn
it
over
to
Jim
and
Dane.
Let
y'all
go
through
that
all
right.
Okay,.
H
S
All
right,
Thank
You
mr.
chair
members
of
the
board,
my
name
is
Dan
Peterson
and
I'm
here,
representing
our
solid
waste
department
and
I'm
here
this
evening
to
request
the
this
board
approve
and
execute
SS
engineers
task
order.
19
o1,
as
mr.
wood
alluded
to
this
is
the
first
task
order
under
the
new
solid
waste,
comprehensive
engineering
services
contract,
and
this
task
order
amount
is
three
hundred
eighteen
thousand
dollars
and
two
hundred
three
hundred
eighteen
thousand
two
hundred
seventy
two
dollars
and
that's
related
to
C
and
D
Phase.
S
Six,
a
sail
construction
engineering,
work
sandy
and
Jennifer
explain
a
little
bit
of
that
during
her
presentation,
but
construction
and
demolition
landfill
so
we're.
We
have
a
great
advantage
in
our
operations
that
we
currently
operate.
An
MSW
line,
subtitle,
D
landfill
and
separate
from
that
is
the
construction
demolition
landfill.
The
reason
that
certain
is
such
an
advantage
to
us
is
we're
able
to
expand
and
extend
the
life
of
the
MSD
MSW
line
landfill
by
separating
those
material
streams
out.
S
S
Scs
has
been
selected
as
the
prime
engineer
to
replace
AIC
for
this
project
and
will
continue
existing
contracts
with
McGill
and
ble
as
sub
consultants
for
the
remainder
of
the
project.
This
task
order
captures
the
work
for
SCS.
As
the
prime
engineer,
McGill
associates
as
construction
administrator
and
ble
as
construction
Quality
Assurance
engineering
firm.
S
It's
also
important
to
note
in
a
separate
contract,
Jung
and
McQueen
was
selected
as
the
grading
contractor
for
the
construction,
the
actual
construction
of
the
C
and
D
sub
sale,
so
permits
have
been
issued
for
this
project
and
work
was
well
underway
when
dude
illegal
activity,
the
contract
with
the
prime
engineering
firm,
was
terminated.
The
site
had
been
cleared
and
grubbed
which
I
had
to
throw
out
a
plug
to
our
people.
S
We
we
did
the
clearing
and
grabbing
in-house
and
saved
approximately
$40,000,
so
give
give
the
people
a
plug
there,
where
we
can
and
Jung
McQueen
following
that,
had
stripped
topsoil
and
installed
a
temporary
erosion
and
sedimentation
control
measures
and
how
we're
following
the
topsoil
stripping.
Jung
McQueen
had
two
hot
grading
work
on
August
24th
of
this
year,
due
to
the
fact
that
we
did
not
have
a
contract
directly
with
a
soil
testing
or
CQA
engineering
firm,
because
this
was
terminated
with
the
EIC
contract
and
and
as
as
mr.
wood
alluded
to
earlier.
S
S
Young
McQueen
has
been
very
good
to
work
with
throughout
this
process,
but
they
they
will
have
to
be
mobilized
at
some
point.
They
still
have
equipment
on
site.
We've.
We've
really
tried
to,
but
everybody's
been
trying
to
work
together
to
continue
this
project
and
and
and
try
to
minimize
the
impacts,
but
on
the
young
McQueen
side
they
will
have
to
be
mobilized
at
some
point
if
we
don't
get
this
pushed
forward
and
it
be
a
25
thousand
dollar
fee
to
remobilize
the
contractor
back
on
site.
S
So
we're
asking
for
these
approvals
tonight
to
keep
this
critical
project
moving
forward
and
wanted
to
thank
McGill
under
Marc
Kathy's
here
this
evening,
ble
SCS
and
young
McQueen
for
working
with
us
again
to
to
try
and
minimize
these
impacts
to
this
project.
So
appreciate
your
time
this
evening
or
answer.
S
A
I
S
The
project
costs
preliminary
actually
trend
back
all
the
way
to
2015.
There's
a
lot
of
engineering
before
any
any
shovels
are
obviously
putting
the
ground
so
that
the
the
budget
actually
turns
back
to
2015
for
subsurface
evaluations
and
during
that
time.
Yes,
II
was
our
engineer
of
record,
so
I
would
say
Marc,
probably
over
the
last
year
your
firm
has
been
incurring
those
those
calls
yeah.
I
S
Correct
and
SES
a
lot
of
their
work
honestly
has
been
on
the
front
end
in
trying
to
yeah,
okay
right
size,
the
the
remainder
of
the
project
and
gather
all
the
moving
pieces.
They've
they've
worked
ed
Hilton
and
his
team
have
worked
with
ble
and
McGill
to
try
to
get
all
these
pieces
pulled
back
together
and
moving
forward.
S
S
H
H
Mr.
chairman,
we're
going
to
do
this
in
two
parts:
I'm
gonna
go
through
the
recommendation
that
we
have,
which
is
about
six
pages
and
has
about
seven
slides
after
that
I'm
going
to
asked
Kurt
Euler
to
come
up
and
Kurt
is
going
to
go
through
the
details
of
the
proposals
that
we're
recommending
to
you.
So
let
me
go
ahead
and
get
started
and
again,
as
the
chairman
said,
there's
no
expectation
that
we're
going
to
vote
tonight.
This
is
a
lot
of
information
to
digest
and
our.
P
H
Is
that
we
would
schedule
it
for
the
next
meeting
for
any
action
by
the
board,
so
that
gives
you
another
two
weeks
to
look
at
it
and
think
about
it?
Okay,
so
let
me
just
go
through
this:
the
memo
that
I
wrote
you
when
we
hired
when
you
hired
me
in
June,
you
asked
that
I
review
all
of
your
major
financial
and
human
resources
policies.
H
You
had
employed
in
January
evergreen
to
conduct
a
position.
Classification
and
compensation
plan.
Study
they've
now
completed
that
and
gave
you
a
presentation.
August
14th
on
the
methodology
used
that
new
plan
will
be
presented
to
you
soon
for
your
review
and
possible
approval
as
part
of
that
compensation
policy
review.
We
also
studied
all
of
your
major
fringe
benefits
to
see
how
you
compare
to
the
other
nine
counties
that
make
up
the
ten
largest
population
counties
in
North.
Carolina
Buncombe,
as
you
know,
is
the
seventh
largest
population
county
in
North
Carolina.
H
When
analyzing
total
employee
compensation,
you
have
to
include
both
pay
and
fringe
benefits.
That
study
confirmed
that
overall,
our
fringe
benefits
are
much
higher
than
the
other
jurisdictions.
The
most
costly
of
those
benefits
is
the
health
insurance
plan.
We
studied
those
plans
to
see
how
you
compare
to
the
other
top
nine
plans
in
North
Carolina
and
just
many
of
this
junk.
H
In
addition,
we
added
the
city
of
Asheville's
plan,
as
well
as
the
two
plans
offered
to
state
employees
and,
as
you
know,
the
state
employee
plan
covers
all
of
our
K
through
12
personnel,
UNC
Asheville,
a
BTech
and
all
state
agency
personnel.
We
reviewed
all
of
this
information
with
you
in
a
work
session
on
August
14th,
as
with
the
other
fringe
benefits,
our
three
health
plans
were
among
the
very
best
compared
to
these
other
governmental
employers.
H
The
decision
on
any
changes
to
the
health
insurance
plan
need
to
be
made
by
the
first
meeting
in
October,
if
at
all
possible.
That's
why
we're
bringing
these
recommendations
to
you
now.
The
reason
is
that
each
year
we
have
open
enrollment
for
our
employees
in
October,
where
they
make
the
selections
for
their
benefits
for
the
next
calendar
year,
for
example.
This
is
when
they
would
select
which
health
insurance
level
of
coverage
they
want.
Consequently,
we've
prepared
a
recommendation
for
these
plans.
While
you
just
approved
the
fiscal
year
19
budget
in
June.
H
The
reality
is
that
you
have
already
begun
developing
the
fiscal
year
2020
budget.
The
decision
on
the
health
plan
starts
it.
In
addition,
since
you
have
an
automatic,
Cola
or
cost
of
living
adjustment,
effective
each
April
1
each
April
1st,
which
is
mandated
to
be
in
your
personnel
policies,
to
be
based
on
what
the
Consumer
Price
Index
is
for
December
of
each
year.
That
decision
has
to
be
made
early
as
well.
H
There
are
two
other
major
cost
components
that
will
drive
your
budget
annual
operating
budget
increases
by
the
Buncombe
County
school
system
and
the
Asheville
city
school
system
and
increase
in
debt
service
payments
for
additional
debt
issuance
bear
in
mind
that
these
are
not
the
only
increases
that
you
will
face,
but
they
are
the
largest.
These
need
to
be
compared
with
the
estimated
revenue
to
cover
them
figure.
H
H
In
going
over
that
spreadsheet,
the
general
fund
revenues
in
fiscal
year
2019
budget
are
308
million
one
hundred
eighty,
three
thousand
thirty
seven
dollars
once
you
remove
the
fund
balance
appropriated
funds
appropriated,
is
not
a
revenue
source,
it
is
savings.
From
previous
years,
the
fiscal
year
2019
general
fund
rate
of
revenue
growth
was
2.2
8%.
If
we
assume
that
revenue
growth
in
fiscal
year
2020
will
be
sent
fiscal
year,
2019
revenues
will
grow
by
seven
million
twenty
six
thousand
five
hundred
thirty-seven
dollars
and
that's
where
you
get
the
total
up
there.
H
So
that
is
the
estimated
growth
in
our
general
fund
revenues
for
fiscal
year.
2015
stay
like
the
current
year.
Moving
to
expenditures,
the
CPI
for
2018
through
July
is
now
2.2.
Two
percent
inflation
has
been
trending
higher,
but
we'll
use
this
number
for
now
until
we
have
the
December
number
sometime
in
January
of
2019,
that
your
policy
calls
for
at
that
CPI.
The
automatic
Cola
in
April
will
cost
the
county
to
me
in
two
hundred
eighty
eight
thousand
eight
hundred
sixty
one
dollars,
so
that
is
the
first
line
item
of
the
expenditures
on
that
chart.
H
H
If
there
is
no
change
in
the
level
of
request
from
both
the
Buncombe
County
school
system
and
the
Asheville
City
School
System,
the
increase
would
be
four
point:
three
percent,
as
in
fiscal
year,
2019
that
would
cost
the
county
three
million
three
hundred
twenty
eight
thousand
sixty
eight
dollars
and
that's
the
third
line
item
on
there.
You've
approved
capital
projects
for
the
general
fund
that
will
take
seven
hundred
and
twenty
two
thousand
four
hundred
twenty
nine
dollars
in
new
debt
service
payments.
This
assumes
that
we
issue
that
debt
on
or
before
June
30th
2019.
H
H
The
good
news
is
that
the
existing
debt
service
payments
from
the
general
fund
will
decline
next
year
by
five
hundred
sixty
four
thousand
sixty-four
dollars,
so
the
net
increase
in
general
fund
debt
service
payments
will
be
only
one
hundred
fifty
eight
thousand
three
hundred
and
sixty-five
dollars,
and
so
those
are
the
two
next
two
line
items
the
five
hundred
sixty
four
thousand
decrease.
But
then
you
have
the
additional
debt
service
of
seven
hundred
twenty
two
thousand
four
hundred
twenty
nine
thousand.
H
The
next
thing
you
have
is
we
approved
at
the
last
meeting
a
grant
match
for
fiscal
year,
2020
of
two
hundred
twenty
seven
thousand
six
hundred
seventeen
dollars
to
hire
the
six
additional
school
resource
officers.
You
took
care
of
tonight
in
your
amendment,
the
budgeting
for
the
current
year.
This
is
the
budgeting
for
the
second
year
and,
as
you
recall,
that
was
our
match.
Is
the
227
617,
when
you
add
those
five
expenditures
together?
H
This
is
a
structural
budget
deficit
that
will
recur
every
budget
year
unless
expenditures
are
brought
into
line
with
revenues.
So
I
want
to
him.
That's
the
main
point
I
want
to
emphasize
about
this
chart
is
we
have
a?
We
will
have
a
structural
deficit
of
one
point:
six,
seven,
six
million
dollars
so
have
a
question.
Mr.
I
D
I
I
H
H
Three
of
the
five
expenditures
have
been
decided
already.
The
increased
debt
service
is
necessary
to
continue
capital
projects
and
it's
a
small
increase.
The
cola
issue
was
decided
at
the
August
28th
meeting
and
then
the
SRO
expenditures
were
approved
on
September,
the
4th,
so
that
leaves
the
health
plan
and
education
funding
to
deal
with
this
structural
deficit.
While
everyone
supports
education,
this
county
cannot
continue
to
fund
it
at
a
higher
rate
than
you
have
revenues
to
support
it.
H
If
you
do,
you
will
have
made
a
conscious
choice
to
decrease
every
year,
the
operating
budgets
of
some
of
the
county
departments
and
agencies
you
support,
because
what
will
happen
is
the
additional
funding
for
them
will
crowd
those
departments
out
unless
you
want
to
raise
taxes.
But
if
you
want
to
stay
at
the
tax
rate,
you're
at
these
expenditures
have
to
be
cut
and
that's
the
point
I'm
trying
to
make
there
and.
M
That's
a
I
think
that's
a
great
sort
of
moment
to
pause
and
just
recognize,
especially
this
early
in
the
budget
discussion
process
that
there
are
all
those
are
all
different
tools
and
instruments
available
to
us
as
we
assess
kind
of
the
totality
of
budget,
and
it's
helpful
to
have
this
kind
of
forecasting.
But
I
think
you
know
not
reflected
in
there
is
that
we
could
elect
to
raise
taxes,
not
saying
we
will,
but
we
do
have
tools
available
to
us
beyond
those
reflected
in
this
breakdown.
Yeah.
H
A
H
I
M
And
you
just
think
it's
important
to
recognize
it
and
we
could
go
far
down
the
rabbit
hole
of
hypotheticals
at
this
stage
of
the
process,
but
for
us
just
so
sort
of
pause
and
recognize
that
we
could
have
a
we,
as
we
could
have
decided
that
the
settlement
money
that
we
received
would
go
towards
a
general
fund
which
also
would
have
yung,
which
also
would
have
addressed
the
looking
like
a
deficit
right
now.
So
just
and
again,
this
is
mostly
for
we
have
community
members
watching
people
tuning
in.
M
We
don't
get
many
chances
to
sort
of
talk
about
the
budget
at
this
level.
So
I
think
it's
just
helpful
to
sort
of
pause
and
recognize
that
it's
easy
to
kind
of
make
one
decision
and
then
sort
of
a
cascading
set
of
assumptions
on
the
basis
of
that,
but
we're
constantly
making
decisions
and
assessments
so
that
settlement
money
we
discussed
it
as
if
it
funded
the
school
budget
that
we
proved
last
time,
but
that
is
sort
of
a
rhetorical
mechanism.
In
a
sense
all.
I
I
We
were
able
to
fund
the
school
with
that
fund
amounts,
but
but
we
did
not
have
to
come
out
of
fund
amounts
to
your
point,
come
out
of
fund
balance
and
find
that,
but
here's
what
I
here's
what
I
like
about
this
we've
not
had
this
kind
of
conversation.
We've
not
had
this
kind
of
presentation
made
to
us.
We've
not
had
the
opportunity
to
have
this
open
discussion
and
have
this
kind
of
dialogue
to
look
at
all
these
different
scenarios
and
there's
got
to
be
a
starting
point
and
that's
what
this
is.
I
H
I
am
going
to
address
the
mission
funding
also
later
on
in
this.
So
now,
let
me
let
us
address
the
health
insurance
plan
and
other
fringe
benefits
before
getting
into
the
details.
I
do
think
you
need
to
address
an
underlying
philosophical
question,
and
that
is
what
fiduciary
duty
is
owed
to
the
taxpayers
on
one
hand
and
our
employees
on
the
other.
You
have
the
difficult
task
of
deciding
the
appropriate
balance
between
those
two
competing
interests.
They
are
in
competition
because
any
benefits
you
provide
our
employees
must
be
paid
for
by
the
taxpayers.
H
In
my
professional
opinion,
the
Board
of
Commissioners
has
a
responsibility
to
provide
reasonable
benefits
to
their
employees,
so
the
taxpayers
are
not
unduly
burdened
in
paying
for
the
county's
workforce.
How
do
you
define
reasonable
in
this
situation?
Again?
In
my
opinion,
it
is
an
amount
comparable
to
what
similar
employers
are
paying
for
their
employees
to
provide
below
average
pay
and
fringe
benefits
would
cause
higher
employee
turnover
and
morale
issues
to
provide
above
average
pay
and
fringe
benefits
would
place
an
unnecessary
tax
burden
on
the
taxpayers.
H
In
looking
at
where
we
might
eliminate
this
1
million
six
hundred.
Seventy
six
thousand
structural
deficit,
our
fringe
benefit
study,
seems
to
me
to
be
the
logical
answer.
We
have
documented
that
our
fringe
benefits
are
much
higher
than
the
other
counties,
and
our
health
plan
also
is
much
richer
than
the
nine
other
counties,
the
city
of
Asheville
and
the
state
of
North
Carolina.
H
Consequently,
I'm
proposing
a
change
in
the
health
insurance
plans
for
Buncombe
County
and
in
the
sale
of
annual
leave
policy
figure
two.
If
we
could
go
ahead
and
get
that
up
figure,
two
is
a
spreadsheet,
showing
the
basic
components
of
the
three
existing
plans
and
the
two
proposed
plans
to
replace
them.
The
first
current
plan
is,
what's
called
a
ninety
five
five
plan,
meaning
that
after
a
deductible
is
met,
the
medical
claims
cost
are
paid.
Ninety
five
percent
by
the
county,
and
only
five
percent
by
the
employee
until
is
out-of-pocket
maximum,
is
reached.
H
H
H
In
my
view,
we
simply
cannot
afford
this
plan,
and
nor
can
we
justify
to
our
tax
payers,
keeping
it
when
compared
to
the
other
counties
Asheville
in
the
state
of
North
Carolina.
Our
core
plan
is
a
70/30
plan
which
has
the
highest
deductibles
and
out-of-pocket
maximums
of
the
three
existing
plans,
and
then
our
employees
can
buy
up
or
pay
a
higher
premium
and
get
the
buy
up
plan,
which
is
an
80/20
plan
which
has
the
highest
premiums,
but
it's
mid-range
on
the
deductibles
and
the
maximum
out-of-pocket
expenses.
H
All
three
plans
participate
in
Blue
Cross,
Blue
Shield
of
North
Carolina's,
preferred
provider
organization
by
which
Blue
Cross
Blue
Shield
has
negotiated
lower
than
usual
rates
with
the
providers
and
passes
those
savings
on
to
clients
using
their
PPO.
The
county
employees,
Blue
Cross
Blue
Shield,
as
our
third-party
administrator
to
handle
medical
claims
administration
and
assure
that
PPO
prices
only
are
charged
so
that
we're
getting
the
discounts
that
we're
entitled
to
is
being
part
of
theirs.
So
I've
shown
you
the
proposed
plans
there
I'm
recommending
that
you
replace
these
three
plans
with
two
plans.
H
The
first
would
be,
and
it's
in
the
yellow
up
there.
The
first
is
an
80/20
PPO
plan,
still
utilizing
Blue
Cross
Blue
Shield's
PPO
Network,
and
a
new
consumer
driven
plan,
which
is
a
high
deductible
with
a
HSA.
An
HSA
is
a
health
savings
account,
and
if
we
could,
let's
put
up
figure
three,
there
should
be
one
in
there
on
the
yeah
right
there.
This
is
the
the
components
of
an
HSA
plan.
The
difference
is
right.
H
Now
you
have
a
flexible
spending
account
which
goes
with
your
PPO
and
a
health
savings
account
which
can
be
used
with
a
high
deductible
plan.
The
money
that
an
employee
puts
into
that.
Unlike
a
flexible
spending
account,
is
the
employees
money.
So
you
know
with
a
flexible
spending
account
if
you
don't
spend
it
at
the
end
of
the
year,
you
lose
it.
H
But
the
main
thing
I
want
to
note
is
that
premiums
for
the
PPO
plan
that
we're
proposing
or
lower
than
both
the
existing
standard
plan
and
the
Bayeux
plan
and
lower
than
most
of
the
categories
of
the
core
plan
also
note
that
the
premiums
for
the
consumer-driven
plan
are
half
of
those
of
the
PPO
plan
that
we're
proposing
again
to
incentivize
its
use.
The
PPO
plan
does
raise
the
deductibles
and
the
maximum
out-of-pocket
expenses.
H
Unfortunately,
we
have
some
employees
who
abuse
the
emergency
room
using
it
for
non
emergencies
when
they
do
that
the
emergency
room
can
cost
us
over
the
county
on
our
plan
can
cost
us
over
a
thousand
dollars
per
visit
and
they're
paying
150
right
now.
The
prescription
co-pays
remained
the
same
for
the
PPO
plan,
but
do
rise
for
the
consumer-driven
plan.
It
requires
that
employees
meet
their
deductible,
then
pay
twenty
percent
of
the
actual
cost
of
the
drug
until
the
maximum
out-of-pocket
is
reached,
and
on
that,
let's
put
up
figure.
Four
I.
H
D
I
H
I
I
H
C
H
H
H
H
Mecklenburg
is
the
only
one
that
allows
it
other
than
Buncombe
and
they
cap
it
at
one
week
and
ours.
Pretty
much
is
unlimited.
Whatever
you
earn,
you
could
sell
back
to
the
county,
and
so
what
we're
proposing
here
is
that
we
match
what
Mecklenburg
is
doing
and
that
would
get
us
in
line
with
what
these
other
counties
are
doing
and
that's
a
three
hundred
forty-eight
thousand
dollar
savings
to
the
county.
Okay,.
H
Finally,
I
know
that
some
people
think
the
pending
sale
of
Mission
hospital
system
to
HCA,
which
was
announced
on
August
31st,
will
not
require
us
to
make
these
difficult
decisions.
The
estimated
increase
in
property
taxes
from
that
sale
is
eight
million
one
hundred
thousand
dollars.
However,
let
me
caution
you
that
those
assets
have
never
been
appraised
by
the
tax
assessor's
office.
I
H
With
the
eight
million
one
hundred
thousand
dollars,
but
we
used
three,
we
used
money
to
balance
the
current
year's
budget
that
were
three
one-time
uses
of
money,
in
other
words,
they're
not
going
to
recur.
The
first
is
that
six
hundred
seventy
five
thousand
dollars
for
fleet
replacement
costs
were
covered
by
one-time
savings
in
the
capital
projects
fund.
H
Now
we
may
understand
some
projects.
We
may
not
understand
some
projects,
but
you
cannot
rely
on
one-time
money
to
balance
an
ongoing
budget.
The
second
is
that
one
point:
five
million
dollars
was
transferred
from
the
Health
Insurance
Fund
to
the
general
fund,
and
this
was
the
second
consecutive
year
this
was
budgeted.
This
cannot
continue
if
you
want
to
stabilize
your
health
insurance
fund.
H
And
again
remember:
that
fund
is
facing
10%
medical
cost
increases
every
year,
and
that's
why
we
have
a
2.7
million
dollar
increase
in
that
and
the
problem
with
that
is
you
can
for
the
foreseeable
future.
You
can
anticipate
that
those
rate
increases
will
be
comparable
to
that
each
and
every
year
the
third
was
1.5.
2
million
of
a
BTEC
fund
money
used
to
pay
for
more
of
the
college's
operating
expenditures
and
I'd
like
to
look
at
figure
7.
Now
this
is
the
a
BTEC
capital
projects
fund
and
basically,
the
way
it's
currently
budgeted.
H
In
other
words,
in
only
for
fiscal
years,
this
fund
will
have
decreased
by
fourteen
million
seven
hundred
seventy
eight
thousand
three
hundred
and
forty
four
dollars
fiscal
year.
2019
alone
is
projected
to
spend
six
million
more
than
the
revenues,
so
you
are
eating
into
that
existing
fund
balance
very
rapidly.
The
way
that's
the
way
it's
done
right
now
and
the
a
BTEC
board
is
very
concerned
about
that.
H
C
H
The
body
of
that
they
have
done
detailed
assessments
of
six
of
the
twenty-one
buildings
based
on
the
and
they're
in
the
process
of
doing
the
rest,
will
have
all
of
them
done
late,
November,
early
December,
so
we'll
actually
have
a
firm
number
by
then
as
to
what
it's
going
to
cost.
What
they
have
done
here
and
our
construction
guys
request
is
give
us
a
ballpark
figure.
H
So
the
assumption
is
they're
going
to
be
comparable
to
what
they've
already
looked
at,
and
that
comes
to
over
twenty
four
twenty
four
million
dollars
we're
going
to,
because
this
will
be
a
year
off
and
the
construction
inflation
we're
going
to
take
that
up
to
twenty
five
million
again.
This
is
a
ballpark
number.
I'll
come
back
to
you
later
once
we
have
a
detailed
number
on
that
and
we
will
adjust
that
spreadsheet
for
a
BTEC
on
that.
H
What
we
do
know
is
it.
What
we're
doing
is
not
adequate
if
you
have
twenty
five
million
dollars
of
that,
and
if
we
could
go
back
now
to
the
previous
slide.
That
slide
shows
that
in
future
years,
you're
going
to
put
two
million
30
thousand
dollars
a
year
into
your
capital
plan
maintenance.
The
problem
is
over
an
eight-year
period
that
won't
cover
twenty
five
million
dollars
worth
of
construction
project,
so
so
we're
going
to
have
to
take
that
amount
up.
H
H
Now
the
problem
is:
is
that
we're
using
up
that
fund
balance
very
rapidly,
and
that
is
going
to
create
that's
a
that's
eight
more
years
of
that's
another?
Eight
million!
You
would
have
to
come
up
with
and
you
can't
do
that,
because
that
fund
will
run
out
of
the
money.
So
that's
why
I'm
saying
this
is
not
the
way
we're
using
it
right
now.
We've
got
to
do
something
about
stabilizing
that
fund,
and
basically
the
problem
is:
if
you
look
down
there,
it's
there's
the
line
item
called
transfers
to
general
fund.
H
You
don't
have
the
previous
year,
but
I
have
that
chart.
If
you
had
fifty
or
seventeen
on
there.
That
year,
you
transfer,
through
the
general
fund,
two
million
three
hundred
twenty
nine
thousand
dollars
by
fiscal
year.
Eighteen
that
got
taken
up
to
five
point:
eight
million
dollars,
which
is
almost
3.5
million
dollars
more
and
then
in
the
current
year's
budget.
H
I
H
H
H
Mandy
and
that's
why
I'm
bringing
it
to
your
attention,
because,
basically,
what
you've
been
doing
is
you've
been
balance
your
budget
by
doing
things
like
that,
and
that's
not
sustainable
and
you've,
also
been
using
other
one-time
revenues,
and
you
can't
keep
doing
that
so
that
you
know
we're
going
to
go
through
this
for
45
minutes.
But
that's
the
message
yeah
is.
We
cannot
doing
this
well.
G
H
G
I
appreciate
that
very
much
mr.
wood
that
you
know
and
and
you've
been
good.
We
we
met,
we
went
over,
we
talked
to
them,
they're,
listening
and
but
we
we're
paying
for
things
in
the
quarter.
Cent
sales
tax
that
were
put
in
there
in
two
thousand
thirteen
thirteen
million
dollars
for
the
twenty
call
it
down
on
the
river.
The.
H
G
H
G
Of
the
building
on
the
river
that
you
went
to
the
fire
training
center
yeah,
thirteen
million
for
fire
training
center
was
moved
from
Buncombe
counties.
Debt
to
the
quarter
cent
sales
tax.
The
gun
range
was
moved
to
from
Buncombe
County
to
the
quarter
cent
sales
tax.
We
go
ninety
two
million
dollars
and
the
payback
is
one
hundred
and
forty
million.
Now
we've
started
taking
the
money
that
we
used
to
give
six
million
to
a
BTEC.
We
have
taken
the
money
and
I'm
sorry
jumping
into
your,
but.
G
And
abused
it,
we
haven't
people
that
worked
here
before
did
and
they
didn't
care.
It
was
money
that
was,
it
was
a
slush
fund
and
I
have
to
think
or
think
thank
all
the
commissioners,
because
when
a
twenty
seven
million
dollar
bill
didn't
come
about
for
a
BTEC,
we
killed,
it
was
put
in
a
consent
agenda
that
was
a
new
area
for
money
to
be
able
to
go,
borrow
twenty
seven
more
million
dollars
that
we
would
add
that
would
have
put
us
thirty
million
dollars
in
the
hole
but
I
think
mr.
G
wood
for
stepping
in
there
and
and
picking
this
up,
because
it's
very
important
that
we
figure
out
how
to
get
some
of
the
money
back
though
you
BTEC
right
now,
the
county
gives
them
not
one
red
cent
and
that
the
county
county
does
was
giving
them
over
hate
me.
And
then
it
went
to
six
million
now
we're
down
to
zero
because
it
was
bled
out
the
six
point:
five
million
five
point:
seven
million
two
point:
seven
million
was
bled
out
of
this,
but
mr.
H
H
Once
we
have
that
number
I'll
sit
down
with
Greg
we'll
go
through
this
and
we'll
modify
this.
Won't
this
spreadsheet,
depending
on
what
they
say
and
I
should
point
out
that
what
the
architects
and
CMA
are
that
are
assisting
him
on
this.
They
have
four
levels
of
priority:
one:
two
three
and
four
levels:
one
and
two
are
the
most
serious.
You
know
that's
things
like
replacing
a
roof
and
HVAC
a
chiller
unit.
Things
like
that,
and
those
are
things
that
absolutely
have
to
be
done.
H
Some
of
the
others
might
be
a
little
more
cosmetic
and
things
like
that.
This
is
only
addressing
priorities,
one
and
two.
It
does
not
get
to
the
other,
but
when
we
get
the
full
assessments,
we'll
have
all
of
it
for
you.
So
again,
what
I'm
proposing
is
is
that
we
develop
a
policy
jointly
with
the
AV
tech
board.
It
should
be
based
on
a
thorough
discussion
of
their
long-term
care.
Apple
needs
and
again
that's
what
we're
waiting
on
from
Gregg
and
they
will
have
that
getting
the
building
condition.
H
Assessments
back
in
early
December
should
be
the
basis
for
this
Commissioner
fryer
and
I
started
this
process
Friday
a
week
ago,
as
he
said,
we
did
have
a
meeting
with
president
King
and
the
AV
tech.
Executive,
Board
I
went
through
this
with
them
and
we
talked
about
the
the
various
components
of
what
it
would
take
to
get
this
stabilized.
Now.
Gregg
is
of
the
opinion
that
we
should
not
let
this
thing
go
below
two
million
dollars
to
keep
that
on
hand
in
case
they
were
to
have
something
unusual
happen.
That's
just
a
reserve
there.
H
H
So
when
you
subtract
those
items
that
we
talked
about,
if
we
could
go
back
to
the
original
chart
with
the
8.1
million
on
it,
when
you
subtract
those
items,
you
come
up
with
uses
of
three
million
six
hundred
ninety
five
thousand
dollars,
which
were
uses
of
additional
tax
revenues.
Now
what
I
was
planning
on
doing
is
presenting
this
to
you
and
show
you
that
this
would
come
out
of
the
8.1
million
we
get
permission.
H
There
is
some
talk
now
that
they
may
not
conclude
that
agreement
until
after
the
first
of
the
year,
if
they
do
that,
I've
double-checked
with
Keith
Miller
our
tax
assessor,
it's
it's.
Whoever
owns
the
property
on
January
1,
so
if
that
sale
doesn't
consummate
until
after
January
1
that
8.1
million
dollars
goes
away
for
next
fiscal
year,
it'll
be
there
from
every
year
thereafter,
but
in
terms
of
balancing
your
fiscal
year,
2020
budget,
that
won't
be
there,
don't
to
be
clear
about
that.
We
just
have
to
monitor
whether
or
not
that
closes
or
not.
H
But
let's
assume
for
the
sake
of
argument
right
now
that
it
does
close
and
we
do
get
the
8.1
million,
because
that's
what
this
chart
is
showing,
then
that
leaves
you
for
me
and
four
hundred
and
five
thousand
dollars
as
a
surplus
to
do
other
things
with
and
I've
made
a
list
of
those.
Those
are
all
question
marks
because
we
don't
know
what
they
would
cost,
but
these
are
all
things
that
that
we
on
staff
think
you
need
to
look
at
before
you
make
any
other
decisions
on
it.
H
First,
you've
expressed
an
interest
in
giving
more
of
a
cola
to
your
lower
paid
employees.
This
discussion
has
not
gotten
into
a
specific
percentage
or
dollar
range,
so
that
would
that
would
be
some
of
the
use
of
that
money
and
if
you
don't
get
it
this
year,
that
is
something
you
could
look
at
in
future
years.
Second,
you
may
want
to
consider
whether
to
provide
some
property
tax
relief
from
this
money,
in
essence,
you've
done
that
because
you
you
gave
them
the
penny
back
last
year,
and
that
was
about
3.7
million
dollars
and
I.
H
Think
part
of
the
anticipation
was
we
would
be
able
to
handle
it
because
we'd
have
this
8.1
billion
dollars
so
to
some
degree
you've
already,
given
some
property
relief
from
this
third,
you
need
to
look
at
an
updated
capital
improvements
program
and
determine
the
amount
of
new
debt
it
would
take
to
pay
for
it.
Only
then
can
you
determine
if
additional
debt
service
payments
will
need
to
be
made
from
some
of
this
money.
H
The
capital
improvements
program
is
always
updated
as
part
of
the
annual
budget,
so
you'll
have
all
those
documents
and
the
recommendations
as
part
of
the
budget
and
the
capital
improvements
program,
but
that
won't
be
until
we
present
it
to
you
in
May,
and
then
you
would
be
making
decisions
on
that
in
June.
So
I
would
recommend
that
you
not
spend
all
of
this
money
and
hold
some
of
that
until
we
see
how
that's
going.
H
And
then,
fifth,
you
may
want
to
decrease
future
debt
service
payments
by
paying
cash
for
some
planned
capital
projects
instead
of
financing
with
debt,
the
debt
issuance
that
we're
looking
at
in
the
spring
of
nineteen,
you
have
a
lot
of
an
aggregation
of
very
small
projects
in
there.
We
may
want
to
look
seriously
about
whether
you
want
to
pay
cash
for
those
and
save
you.
The
interest
expense
on
that.
H
If
you
have
it
the
advantage
of
using
it
for
capital
expenses
is
that's
one-time
use
so
that
money
would
be
available
again
the
next
year
to
use
for
something
else.
If
you
put
it
into
your
operating
budget,
then
it's
it's
sunk
in
there
from
there
on
out,
and
you
can't
you
can't
use
it
for
something
else.
In
future
years,
six
you
may
want
to
expand
some
of
your
strategic
priority
programs.
H
I
think
you
have
six
strategic
priorities
and
you
may
want
to
look
at
whether
you're
going
to
expand
any
of
those
there
may
be
other
potential
uses
for
this
money,
of
which
I
am
unaware.
All
of
these
potential
uses
should
be
thoroughly
researched
before
any
decisions
are
made.
Consequently,
I
do
not
recommend
that
you
use
any
of
the
8.1
million
dollars
to
offset
the
fiscal
year
2020
budget
expenditures
other
than
to
fill
the
gap
created
by
using
one-time
revenue
to
balance
the
fiscal
year.
2019
budget
is
noted
above
so
what
I'm?
H
H
If
you
don't
do
them
now,
so
my
recommendation
is
that
you
approve
the
two
proposed
health
insurance
plans
is
presented
to
be
effective
on
the
new
planned
year.
January
1,
2019
and
further
I
recommend
that
you
approve
an
amendment
to
the
personnel
policies
that
will
change
the
provision
on
sale
of
annual
leave
to
allow
only
one
week
of
leave
to
be
sold
annually,
provided
that
the
employee
maintains
a
balance
of
at
least
40
hours
of
annual
leave
immediately
after
the
sale.
H
In
other
words,
we
don't
want
people
selling
that
and
then
have
absolutely
no
leave
in
the
bank.
That
is
not
a
good
place
for
an
employee
to
be
these
two
actions
would
cut
the
deficit
above
by
1.6
million,
while
getting
these
policies
closer
in
line
with
similar
government's
in
North
Carolina.
So
with
that,
that's
my
presentation
and
what
I'd
like
to
do
now
is
turn
this
over
to
Curt
Euler,
who
is
our
risk
management
person
and
let
Curt
go
into
more
detail
on
the
actual
plans
and
and
how
everything
stacks
up
so
Curt.
R
I
C
M
D
D
H
I
B
C
R
Yes,
mr.
chairman
members
of
the
Commission
I
guess
what
I
want
to
do
is
kind
of
try
to
hit
some
highlights
as
to
how
did
we
come
up
with
this
proposal
with
with
the
county
managers,
recommendations,
sort
of
some
of
the
things
that
are
driving
it?
This
first
slide
basically
shows
that
for
fiscal
year
2018
we
had
claims
and
when
I
say
claims,
that's
basically
medical
and
pharmacy
that
doesn't
include
administrative
expenses
or
any
other
ancillary
expenses.
It's
straight
medical
claims
and
pharmacy.
We
had
to
point
our
twenty
six
point:
five
million
dollars.
R
So
that's
basically
the
claims
that
the
county
paid
we've
looked
at
it
over
from
2013
to
2018
we're
averaging
about
nine
point.
Seventeen
percent
Blue
Cross
is
projecting
that
our
increases
need
to
be
ten
percent.
So
that's
kind
of
how
our
trend
is
been
going.
Some
years
are
better
than
others,
but
it's
definitely
about
a
nine
percent
and
they're
really
one
of
the
main
goals
that
we
that
that
my
department
has
is
trying
to
control
that
trend.
We
don't
want
our
trend
to
be
in
the
double
digits.
R
So
once
again,
this
is
sort
of
a
the
demographics.
So
we
have
approximately
407
people
currently
on
the
core
plan,
which
is
the
least
rich
plan
we
have.
We
have
about
386
people,
and
these
are
just
subscribers,
so
these
are
the
people
that
actually
hold
the
policies
or
employees.
We
have
386
in
the
buy
up
and
then
standard.
We
have
931
people,
so
standard
has
99.9%
of
the
retirees
on
the
standard
plan.
R
If
you
look
at
the
the
breakdown
39
365
of
the
913
are
actually
retirees,
whereas
600
and/or
566
are
employees,
so
that's
sort
of
a
breakdown.
We
have
a
total
of
4,000
members,
so
that's
including
all
the
dependents,
spouses
and
dependents.
So
that's
so
when
we're
talking
employees,
that's
the
subscriber
and
then
when
we
talk
members,
that
is,
that
would
be
all
the
people
who
are
on
the
plan.
So
once
again
we
compared
when
we
were
comparing.
This
is
a
list
of
all
the
counties
I
do
want.
R
R
Number
two
we've
got
our
deductibles
or
the
third
lowest
in
the
state.
We
have
the
lowest
family
premiums,
we
have
the
lowest
out-of-pocket
maximums
and
basically
we
have
the
most
affordable
healthcare
plan.
Even
with
these
changes
now,
I
want
to
say
this
upfront
I
understand
that
nobody
likes
having
their
benefits
changed
or
raised,
but
I
do
want
to
state
that
we
have
not
had
a
premium
increase
since
2014.
R
We
have
not
changed
any
of
the
terms
or
any
of
the
the
makeup
of
the
plans
the
buy
up
in
the
course
since
2010,
and
we
did
make
a
change
to
the
standard
plan
in
2016.
So
we've
had
relatively
few
changes
over
the
years
in
terms
of
trying
to
make
up
any
differential
or
make
up
we're
we're.
You
know
to
have
the
thing
so
I
want
to
show
I
think
this
is
important
thing.
This
is
sort
of
the
percentage
that
employees
pay
versus
what
the
county
pays.
R
So
for
this
2016
plan
here,
the
county
paid
ninety
four
percent
of
the
healthcare
costs
the
employees
paid
six
percent
based
on
not
doing
anything
in
2017
employees
ended
up
paying
only
five
percent
and
the
county
paid.
Ninety
five
percent,
the
average
or
what
Blue,
Cross
and
Blue
Shield
says
is
the
average
is
86
percent
fourteen
percent,
so
our
employees
are
paying
a
lot
less
than
other
comparable
government
agencies
with
Blue
Cross
and
Blue
Shield's
book
of
business.
R
When
you
break
that
down
further
people
on
the
standard
plan
are
only
paying
four
percent
of
their
costs.
People
on
the
buy
up
are
only
paying
six
percent
and
people
on
the
core
end
up
paying
nine
percent
of
the
total
costs
for
their
health
care
and
when
I
say
total
costs.
That
does
not
include
premiums
so
we're
talking
about
deductibles
and
co-payments,
deductibles,
co-payments
and
and
any
other
things
that
people
pay,
but
it
doesn't
include
premiums
with
these
plans.
R
No
well
I
mean
they're
they're
kind
of
everybody
kind
of
uses,
the
same
model
I
think
whether
you're
using
a
PPO
with
blue
cross,
but
we
are
the
ones
that
pick
like
what
the
deductible
is
going
to
be.
We
set
all
of
those
numbers
and
sort
of
try
to
make
it
that,
so
it's
really
our
design.
We
can
really
do
what
we
want.
R
Yes,
yes,
pretty
much
do
do
whatever
we
want.
What
we
want
and
Blue
Cross
actually
will
then
act
as
our
agent
to
implement
it,
so
we're
not
buying
an
off-the-shelf
plan
so
for
the
high
deductible
plan.
One
I
think.
The
things
that
you
need
to
remember
is
is
that,
according
to
IRS
rules,
the
employee
is
responsible
for
paying
that
first
1,500
or
$3,000
out
of
their
pocket.
So
there
can
be.
There
are
no
co-pays
in
this
plan.
So
if
they
go
to
the
you
know
they
get
medication.
R
They
have
to
pay
whatever
the
costs
are
up
to
the
deductible.
If
they
go
to
a
doctor's
office,
they
have
to
pay
whatever
the
doctors.
Cost
is
up
to
that.
However,
that
does
allow
the
employee
to
actually
shop
around
and
introduce
an
element
of
consumerism
in
terms
of
if
they
can
find
a
good
deal.
I
do
want
to
say
that
people
can
shop
around
on
their
prescriptions,
and
it's
not
all
doom
and
gloom
you'd
be
surprised
at
how
little
a
lot
of
the
generic
drugs
actually
cost.
R
R
So
and
I
want
to
say
too
that
the
deductibles
that
we've
said
on
the
consumer
driven
plan
are
much
our
lowest
are
the
lowest
in
the
state,
so
once
again,
I
think
we're
being
a
leader
in
trying
to
provide
great
health
care
to
our
employees
by
making
sure
that
we
are
at
the
front
of
the
the
chart,
as
opposed
to
the
back
and
I
will
show
you
some
of
those
examples.
But
an
important
number
I
want
to
point
out.
R
Is
the
cost
share
by
adopting
this
plan
you're
getting
our
cost
sure
to
an
87%
where
the
county
is
gonna
pay,
87
percent
and
13
percent
I
think
it
is
very
important
that
the
county
establish
a
ratio
so
that
next
year,
when
we
have
increases,
we
can
go
to
the
workforce
and
say:
look
our
costs
have
raised
this
much.
You
are
responsible
for
13%.
The
counties
are
responsible
for
87
percent.
R
H
Want
to
be
clear
about
this,
our
increase
is
projected
at
2.7
million,
we're
only
trying
to
save
1.6
million,
and
what
that
means
is.
Is
that
we're
trying
to
cut
the
cost
by
6%
of
the
10%?
The
county
is
still
going
to
eat
a
4%
increase,
and
what
Curtis
saying
is
is
that
in
the
future,
if
you're
going
to
keep
this
percentage
level
that
if
we
get
a
10%
increase,
if
you
don't
tweak
the
plan,
what
should
happen
is
is
that
the
county's
portion
should
go
up
10%
and
the
employees
portion
should
go
up
10%.
H
Obviously
we
can't
afford
that
and
the
employees
can't
afford
that.
So
what
you
try
to
do
is
you're
going
to
have
to
tweak
this
plan
and
try
to
get
it
down
to
where
we
have
roughly
a
4%
increase
and
that's
what
most
employers
are
facing
today.
The
difference
here
is,
as
he
said,
since
2014
you've
not
adjusted
any
premiums,
so
the
county
has
eaten
100%
of
those
increased
cost
over
those
years.
So.
R
And
in
all
fairness
to
the
Board
of
Commissioners,
it's
never
been
brought
to
your
attention
before.
So
this
is
the
first
time
for
that.
So
it's
usually
it's
never
been
done
this
way,
so
I
do
want
to
make
sure
that
we're
all
clear
on
that
that
I
but-but-but
I
think
what
the
county
manager
said.
It's
true
so
by
establishing
that
ratio,
so
I'm
not
going
to
go
through
the
terms
of
the
plan.
I
think
the
county
manager
did
a
really
good
job
on
that.
R
So
what
I
do,
though,
is
want
to
show
you
how
the
proposed
plan
and
our
existing
plan
compares
to
other
jurisdictions.
So
when
you
look
at
our
premium,
so
we
did
this
on
an
annual
basis.
What
an
employee's
going
to
say
so,
an
employee
only
on
the
PPO
is
going
to
pay
five
hundred
and
seventy
two
dollars
and
the
most
an
employee
is
going
to
pay
for
family
coverage
is
one
thousand
six
hundred
and
two
dollars
on
the
consumer.
Direct.
R
The
employee
is
only
going
to
pay
two
hundred
and
eighty
six
dollars
a
year
and
the
family's
going
to
pay
only
eight
hundred
and
one
dollar
for
the
year.
How
that
compares,
as
you
can
see
with
the
red,
indicates
where
Buncombe
County,
where
the
proposed
plans
are,
and
the
blue
is
where
our
things
are
for
employee.
R
Only
in
this
thing,
one
of
the
things
I
also
want
to
say
that
Buncombe
County
does
that
most
others
don't
is
most
other
jurisdictions,
will
give
the
employee
only
a
very
cheap,
a
very
discounted
insurance
policy,
but
then
they
end
up
charging
any
dependents.
You
have
at
the
full
market
rate,
so
this
is
for
employee.
Only
so
now,
when
I
switch
this
over
I
want
you
to
see
how
Buncombe
County
compares
for
family
coverage.
R
So,
as
you
can
see
here,
we
have
the
lowest
premiums,
even
with
the
changes
they're
still
lower
than
what
any
other
jurisdiction
has
the
median
annual
cost
or
the
median
excluding
Buncombe
County
is
five
thousand
eight
hundred
and
seventeen
dollars
a
year
for
family
health
care
coverage.
So,
based
on
that
numbers,
we're
still
trying
to
do
our
best
to
keep
it
the
cost
down
for
our
employees.
R
So
I
also
want
to
compare
and
show
you
how
we
compare
with
the
deductibles
so
that
new
deductibles
will
be
seven
hundred
and
fifty
dollars
for
an
individual
and
fifteen
hundred
for
an
individual
Plus
and
then
for
the
consumer.
Driven
planet
will
be
fifteen
hundred
dollars
for
an
individual
and
three
thousand
for
an
individual
Plus.
R
R
And
once
again,
this
is
comparing
the
family
deductible.
Once
again,
you
will
see
that
Buncombe
County
is
deductible,
is
low.
Another
thing
I
want
to
point
out
that
some
of
these
other
plans,
like
Union
County
plans
that
you
see
here,
that's
a
direct
primary
care,
so
they
basically
tell
their
employees
where
they
go.
So
if
you
go
to
the
basically
the
company
primary
care
physician,
it
doesn't
cost
you
anything,
but
if
you
go
anywhere
else
it
does.
R
A
R
Determining
the
correct
primary
care
we
have
looked
at
that
I
think
that
it's
right
now
sort
of
in
an
emphasis
age
I.
Don't
think
we're
ready
to
do
that
at
this
point
in
time.
But,
yes,
that
is
an
option
so
for
the
next
plan
year.
If
we're
looking
at
trying
to
cut
costs
in
some
way,
we
could
introduce
direct
primary
care
or
the
you
have
will
have
ability
to
lower
your
cost.
Based
on
how
much
you
want
to
restrict
access
for
people
to
go.
R
It's
it
is,
but
we
also
have
direct
primary
care
in
Buncombe
County,
where
people
could
basically
like
kind
of
get
a
subscription
at
a
primary
care.
Physicians,
where
you
pay,
let's
say
$50
a
month,
and
you
can
go
as
much
or
as
little
as
you
want
so
you're
kind
of
buying
a
prescription,
and
so
that's
kind
of
how
the
consumer
driven
plan
allows
employees
kind
of
the
freedom
to
shop
around
and
get
whatever
care
they
want
and
I.
R
Think
one
of
the
things
that
will
be
on
on
my
department
and
on
the
county
is
to
make
sure
that
we
give
them
the
tools
to
help
them
be
better
shoppers
and
help
them
be
more
informed
consumers.
That's
that's
a
very
part
in
that
that
burdens
on
us
and
so
I
want
to
make
that
clear.
Okay,
thanks
so
once
again
for
the
out-of-pocket
maximum,
the
same
thing,
our
out-of-pocket
maxes
are
much
lower
than
our
peers.
R
The
median
for
our
peers
is
five
thousand
dollars
for
a
fit
or
for
an
employee
in
networks,
and
we
are
at
for
the
1900
for
the
PPO
and
three
thousand
for
the
consumer
driven
health
plan.
Now,
look
at
the
pure
median
for
family
coverage
for
out-of-pocket
maximums.
The
median
is
ten
thousand
three
hundred
dollars.
Ours
will
be
six
thousand
dollars
for
the
consumer,
driven
plan
and
$3,800
for
the
PPO.
R
I
R
That
is
whatever
they
paid,
that
is
the
most
that
they
would
have
to
pay
out-of-pocket
in
a
plan
year.
So
if
you
use
the
Blue,
Cross
and
Blue
Shield
network,
you
would
not
be
paying
like
the
retail
price
of
the
doctor's
office.
You
would
be
paying
the
Blue
Cross
and
Blue
Shield
price
at
the
doctor's
office,
but
you
would
have
to
you
know
basically
get
up
to
ten
thousand
dollars
before
the
plan
would
kick
in
and
cover
your
medical
expenses
at
a
hundred
percent.
I
R
Well,
if
you're
into
the
coinsurance
and
I
don't
know
if
I'm
answering
your
question
correctly,
but
if,
like
you,
meet
your
deductible
and
then
you're
in
what's
kind
of
the
coinsurance
zone,
there
any
bill
that
you
gets
going
to
be
split,
80/20
or
whatever
the
portion
is
whatever
your
20%
is.
That
will
keep
adding
up
until
you
reach
your
out-of-pocket
maximum
right
and
once
you
reach
your
out-of-pocket
maximum,
then
the
plan
will
cover
you
at
a
hundred
percent
and
then
you
don't
have
to
pay
any
more
deductibles,
no
more
coinsurance,
no
more
anything.
R
I
R
Right,
I
apologize,
so
what
I
wanted
to
do
is
show
like
what,
like,
with
our
three
different
plans,
what
the
what
the
impact
is
going
to
be
for
someone
who
has
$500
in
medical
claims.
So,
as
you
can
see
here-
and
this
is
including
your
annual
insurance
premiums.
So
as
you
can
see
here,
someone
on
our
current
standard
plan
would
be
out-of-pocket
nine
hundred
and
sixty
dollars
the
buy
up
for
the
same
claims,
let's
say,
would
be
thirteen
hundred
and
thirty
dollars.
The
core
would
be
one
thousand
twenty.
R
Our
proposed
PPO
would
be
one
thousand
seventy
two
dollars
now
for
the
consumer-directed
plan.
You
would
be
out
seven
hundred
eighty
six
dollars,
but
with
getting
the
one
thousand
dollars
from
the
county,
you'd
actually
be
ahead,
two
hundred
and
fourteen
dollars,
so
that's
a
very
low
user.
So
we've
done
that
once
again,
the
impact
with
the
family.
R
Once
again,
you
can
see
how
much
a
person
can
expect
to
pay
now.
One
thing
I
do
want
to
say.
With
these
examples
we
we
are
unable
to
include
any
co-payments.
So
if
somebody
is
on
a
PPO,
they
may
be
making
co-payments
for
their
doctors
or
for
their
prescriptions.
Those
amounts
actually
count
towards
that
out-of-pocket
maximum,
so
they
may
reach
their
out-of-pocket
maximum
sooner
than
in
these
examples,.
R
So
now
we
get
to
$2,000
in
claims.
You
can
see
how
much
now
these
are
in
your
appendix,
but
you
can
sort
of
see
roughly
how
much
someone's
gonna
have
to
pay
and
how
it
compares
to
all
the
different
plans
I'd
like
to
in
the
at
the
time.
Why
don't
we
look
at
if
you
have
sixteen
thousand
dollars
in
medical
claims
all
right?
So
in
that
the
standard
plan
person
pays
fourteen
hundred
dollars
a
year,
the
byut
plan
will
end
up
paying
two
thousand
sixty
dollars
a
year.
R
The
court
plan
will
pay,
and
this
is
for
an
individual
two
thousand
four
hundred
and
twenty
dollars
and
the
the
proposed
PPO
will
pay
roughly
the
same
amount,
four
thousand
seven
hundred
fourth,
two
thousand
four
hundred
seventy
two
dollars
and
then
lastly,
the
PPO
with
your
actually
I,
can't
see
that
amount,
I
think
that's
cut
off,
but
you'd
be
paying
about
two
thousand
two
hundred
and
eighty
some
odd
dollars
so
with
the
family.
It
goes
up
a
lot,
but
most
of
that's
because
your
premiums
are
higher.
R
So,
once
again,
those
are
the
examples
in
terms
of
what
it's
going
to
cost
an
employee
out-of-pocket
per
year,
and
you
can
compare
where
we're
at
to
where
we
recommend
I
think
my
summary
I'd
like
to
leave
with
a
few
points
number
one
Buncombe
County
currently
has
the
richest
health
care
benefits.
When
you
compare
us
to
our
pure
municipalities
and
counties,
that
is
not
a
bad
thing.
I
think
that's
something
that
we
want
to
be
a
leader
in
that's
the
main
reason.
A
lot
of
people
come
and
work
with
the
county.
R
That's
the
main
reason
why
a
lot
of
people
stay
with
the
county
for
as
long
as
they
do
and
I
think
it
is
really
important
that
we
try
to
preserve
this
benefit,
the
best
that
we
can,
but
we
cannot
deny
the
fact
that
are
the
health
plans.
Cost
uruk's
are
increasing
at
an
exponential
rate
and
we
don't
have
the
revenues
to
make
up
the
deficits.
R
The
recommendation
was
to
create
two
plans
to
better
align
with
our
peers,
but
also
remain
competitive
and
try
to
lower
the
impact
to
the
county.
And
finally,
I
think
what
we
want
to
do
is
establish
an
employer-employee
cost
ratio
to
create
an
open
and
transparent
annual
process
for
determining
healthcare
costs.
I
think
that's
really
crucial.
R
We
need
a
a
partnership
with
our
employees
so
that
we
were
working
together
on
this,
because
our
employees
have
to
help
us
lower
costs
and
if
we
can't
lower
our
cost
that
that's
where
we
got
to
be
so
they
need
to
be
partners
because
they're,
the
ones
going
out
there
and
consuming
the
healthcare
and
with
that
I,
don't
have
anything
and
I'm
ready
for
questions.
Thank
you
very
much.
For
your
time.
R
I
I
I
To
do
them
or
okay,
so
one
yet
one
is
on
the
employee,
employer
costs
ratio
which
I
understand
what
you're
saying.
If
it's
eighty
seven
thirteen,
then
we
ought
to
you
know
if
that's
where
it
ends
up,
then
that's
where
we
ought
to
look
at
the
look
at
the
program
and
see
where
the
the
employees
participate.
So
the
only
comment
I
want
to
make
you
know
and
I
may
have
I
may
have
mentioned
it.
I
know
I've
mentioned
it
before
and
it
may
not
have
been
out
here.
I
And
if
you
do
that,
and
because
you
got
to
stop
the
10%,
because
you
can't
write
you
can't
you
can't
continue
to
have
increases
no
one,
that's
not
sustainable
at
a
household,
it's
not
sustainable!
It
just
doesn't
work
and
I.
Think
there's
some
there's
some
great
information
on
what
you've
been
presented
at
night.
I
You
know,
participate
in
more
things
with
their
family
and
therefore
that
cost
comes
down
and
that's
what
we're
trying
to
try
to
achieve,
because
it's
not
sustainable
ten
percent
a
year
is
absolutely
not
sustainable.
That
model
will
not
work,
and
you
have
to
you
have
to
put
something
like
that
that
in
place
and
I
don't
have
the
answer
as
to
what
that
looks
like,
but
I
think
we've
got
a
strong
enough
staff
and
and
good
enough
people
that
can
find
out.
You
know
what
that
is
and
what
we
have
now.
I
You
know
it's
it's
you
know
it's
you
know
be
see
fit
and
some
other
things
that
we're
having
having
folks
do.
You
know
where
they
can
earn
points
and
things
that
it's
good.
But
it's
not.
You
know,
other
other
folks
have
this
model
and
we
should
go
find
that
best
practice
and
how
they've
been
able
to
cut
their
own
cut
their
costs,
and
it's
in
it's
through
a
wellness
program
and
in
my
opinion,
it's
got
to
be
part
of
the
part
of
the
discussion
and.
B
R
At
this
time,
do
not
do
that
some
of
the
options
we
don't
do
anything
for
smoking
or
not.
That
is
an
option.
The
other
thing
that
we
don't
do
is
biometric
testing.
What
a
lot
of
places
do
is
once
a
year
they
have
all
the
people
who
are
on
the
plan
come
in
and
they
kind
of
do
a
health
screening
for
them.
And
then,
if
you
have
diabetes,
they
try
to
get
you
into
a
diabetes
program
and
do
that
we
don't.
I
I
I'm
not
saying
we
do
anything
like
that.
So,
but
I'm
saying
that
that
that
that
change
is
is
it
sounds
like
a
large
number,
but
that
they're
dropping
their
insurance
rates
and
their
people
are
healthier,
and
so
their
productivity
goes
up.
And
so
there's
just
all
kinds
of
Medicaid.
So
I'll
get
off
my
high
horse
on
that,
but
that.
H
I
do
want
to
just
echo
that,
and
there
are
plans
like
that
other
counties
have
some
do:
give
discounts
on
the
premiums
if
you're
a
nonsmoker
or,
if
you're,
within
your
BMI
index,
and
sometimes
even
if
you're,
not
in
it.
As
long
as
you're
making
progress
and
getting
that
down,
you
know
then
you'll
get
a
discount,
but
yeah
there
are
models
out
there.
We
just
need
to
go
research
that
and.
I
I
mean
there's
a
lot
of
I
mean
there's
a
lot
of
different
things,
whether
it's
you
know
paying
for
a
you
know,
Weight
Watchers
program
or
whether
it's
you
know
you
know
paying
for
partial,
gym
memberships
on
what
you
you
know
based
on.
You
know
how
much
time
you
spent
in
them,
and
this
a
lot
of
different
things
out
there
and.
B
How
do
we
look
at
you
know
the
retiree
plan
that
I
have.
It
depends
on
when
you
retire,
what
you
pick
or
whatever,
but
how
are
we
looking
at
our
retiree
plans?
No,
because
eventually
they're
gonna
become
supplemental
policies.
Anyway,
you
know
that's
the
way
it
works.
But
how
are
we
looking
because
you
know
when
I
retired
from
the
bank
based
on
I,
wouldn't
come
on
the
county
insurance,
because
I
can't
afford
to
leave
it
because
once
I
leave
I
can't
go
back,
you
know
it's
more
or
less
a
lot
of
its
frozen.
B
R
Are
eligible
for
whatever
plan
is
offered
to
the
employees
so
right
now
and
most
of
our
retires
have
retired
or
we're
on
the
standard
plan
when
they
retired.
So
once
again,
we
have
like
365
on
the
standard
plan
and
one
on
the
Biot.
So
so
that's
how
they
get
on
that,
then,
once
they
turn
65,
then
they
could
be
eligible
for
Medicare,
Part,
D
and
up
or
a
Medicare
Part
F
part
G
plan
on
so
that
so
they're.
R
Basically
whatever
you're
offering
you
the
employees,
the
retirees
have
the
option
of
taking,
if
they've
qualified
for
that,
so
it
they're
sort
of
in
the
same
boat
as
the
employees
Sep.
They
don't
pay
individual
premiums.
So
if
there's
a
retiree
that
has
just
an
individual
coverage,
they
do
not
pay
a
premium,
but
if
they
have
dependents
on
the
plan
they
end
up
having
to
pay
the
dependent
premium,
so
they
would
play
employees
spouse,
even
though,
as
an
employee,
they
would
get
it
for
free.
Does
that
answer
your
question?
You
do.
Thank
you.
I
just.
M
D
R
Into
these
we're
sort
of
right
now
kind
of
stuck
at
the
Blue
Cross,
because
we're
a
Blue,
Cross
and
Blue
Shield
member
we're
sort
of
stuck
in
their
ecosystem
to
an
extent.
So
there's
really
only
so
much
we
can
do
within
the
Blue
Cross
and
Blue
Shield
system.
So
it's
very
hard
for
us
to
like
give
free
healthcare
at
one
place
or
to
do
some
more
innovative
things.
So
so
we're
looking
evaluating
our
relationship
with
Blue
Cross
Blue
Shield's,
one
of
the
main
things
that
we're
doing.
But
we
also
did
a
lot
of
modeling.
R
So
we
tried
to
figure
out
how
do
we
equity
make
these
changes
and
I
think
the
hardest
thing
and
you're
going
to
probably
hear
about?
It
is
not
everybody's
in
the
same
boat.
You
have
a
very
diverse
amount
of
employees
who
have
very
different
conditions,
so
you're
always
running
into
somebody's,
going
to
benefit
and
somebody's
going
to
get
hurt
so
you're
looking
at.
Do
we
raise
premiums?
R
Well,
if
we
raise
premiums,
you're
really
going
to
put
the
burden
on
most
the
working
employees,
whereas
so
basically
the
premiums
everybody
sharing
in
the
cost,
whereas
if
you
start
adjusting,
let's
say
the
deductibles
and
the
out-of-pocket
maximums,
you
more
affect
the
people
who
use
the
plan
more
than
the
light
users,
so
you're
trying
to
balance
that
you're
also
trying
to
balance.
How
do
you
tweak
three
separate
plans?
R
Equally,
do
you
you
know:
do
you
do
across-the-board
raises
where
you
affect,
because
because
they're
all
different
and
and
and
they
will
affect
employees
differently,
so
do
you
do
an
across-the-board
change?
Do
you
try
to
tweak
one
plan?
Do
you
try
to
trick
the
other
there's
a
lot
of
stuff
that
goes
in
and
I
think
what
we
basically
came
up
with
in
order
to
get
that
1.6
million
dollars
we're
better
off
really
restructuring
how
we
design
our
plans
as
opposed
to
trying
to
tweak
the
existing
plans
that
we
have.
M
R
The
1.6
million
dollars
came
from
that.
We
looked
at
our
two
point:
what
we
budgeted
for
fiscal
year
2019
was.
We
took
the
at
the
end
of
fiscal
year
2018
we
had
twenty
six
point:
five
million
dollars
in
costs,
so
we
looked
at
our
annual
trend
and
what
Blue,
Cross
and
Blue
Shield
was
recommending,
and
we
came
up
with
that.
2.7
percent,
then
in
consultation
with
the
manager
that
not.
R
H
And
again,
we're
we're
gonna
eat
four
percent
of
this.
So
if
it's
a
ten
percent
increase,
that's
forty
percent
in
sixty
percent,
that's
how
that's
how
we
arrived,
and
some
of
that
I
was
basing
that
on
the
two
other
jurisdictions
I've
been
in
that
are
counties
in
North
Carolina.
We
found
that
we
could
typically
absorb
up
to
about
four
percent.
Beyond
that.
H
We
couldn't
really
afford
it,
and
so
what
I
would
do
every
year
is
we
had
a
an
insurance
broker
that
helped
us
with
it?
We
would
sit
down
every
year
and
say,
give
us
options.
You
know
he'd
come
in
and
say
we're
looking
at
a
9%
increase,
whether
or
not
say
give
me
options
to
get
that
down
to
4%,
and
so
that's
what
he
would
do
and
he
would
tell
you
how
much
each
option
would
save.
H
And
then
we
had
a
committee
that
would
work
through
that
and
try
to
make
those
selections
and
make
a
recommendation
to
the
board,
and
you
may
want
to
think
about
doing
that.
Maybe
have
one
or
two
commissioners
on
that
in
the
future,
along
with
staff.
But
but
that's
basically
what
happens
every
year,
because
every
year
you're
gonna
look
at
a
9
or
10
percent
increase
and,
as
joe
said,
you
cannot
afford
it
and
so
you're
going
to
have
to
adjust
the
plan
and
unfortunately
nobody
wants
to
hear
that.
H
A
All
right,
thank
you
for
all
the
information
you
know
these.
Are
this
really
important
a
really
important
issue,
not
easy
decisions
to
make,
but
I
think
the
information
illuminates
a
lot
of
the
different
moving
parts
that
drive
just
you
know
the
different
options
that
we
have
to
look
at
I
do
have
one
other
question.
If
you
know
there
is
this
there's
a
very
specific
proposal
here,
but
what?
If?
What?
If
the
Commission's
you
know,
what,
if
the
Commission
came
down
in
a
place,
is
saying
look
we
need
to
start.
A
H
I
think
I
wanted
to
do.
That
is
give
us
those
ideas
and
we'll
have
curtain
them
cost
it
out.
We
don't
use
a
broker
on
this.
You
actually
have
qualified
staff
people
here
that
can
crunch
the
numbers
here
and
so
any
scenario
like
that,
in
fact,
I
will
mention
to
you
that
Kurt
has
some
stand
alone.
I,
don't
know
we.
R
So
these
are
sort
of
the
ala
carte
tweaks
that
you
could
do
to
the
health
plan
to
try
to
I
guess
recoup
that
money
that
you're
looking
at.
So
if
you
increase
our
prescription
co-pays
by
ten
dollars,
each
we're
looking
at
a
cost
savings
of
about
three
hundred
thousand
dollars
and
that's
a
very
conservative.
These
are
all
very
conservative
estimates.
R
So
if
you
increase
your
premiums,
let's
say
by
45%,
you
could
net
not
and
this
this.
This
would
basically
get
you
your
one
point,
six
million
dollars.
But
if
you
increase
premiums
by
45%,
you
could
get
approximately
nine
hundred
and
eighty
one
thousand
I
don't
know
if
this
is
in
your
power
point.
This
probably
is
not
in
your
packet,
so.
R
We
have
a
lot
of
different
different
little
tweaks
that
we
can
do.
You
can
increase
if
I
think
the
main
ones
are.
If
you
increase
the
out-of-pocket
maximum
by
a
thousand
dollars,
you
can
look
to
recoup
about
two
hundred
and
ninety
thousand
dollars.
Okay,
and
if
you
increase
the
deductibles
by
two
hundred
dollars
for
each
plan,
you
look
like
you
can
get
about
120
thousand
dollars
in
return.
So.
M
I
So
were
my
concerns:
okay
I
have
a
few,
but
one
of
them
is
deductibles
for
lower
paid
employees.
Okay
to
me,
that's
a
big
deal.
Okay
and
well.
So
if
that's
a
big
deal
to
me
and
I,
look
at
this
and
I
know
it's
a
big
deal
to
them.
I
mean
a
big
difference.
If
you're
going
up
from
600
to
700,
make
you
know
35
40
thousand
as
opposed
to
making
a
hundred
thousand
or
eighty
thousand
or
above
right.
Everybody
knows
it.
I
I
mean
I,
get
head
nods
from
everybody
when
you
save
it,
but
it
when
I
look
at
this.
It
doesn't
return
any
money.
So
to
me
that
would
be
the
the
least
thing
that
I
would
want
to
to
do,
because
it
has
a
big
big
impact
on
lower
paid
employees,
and
it
only
saves
us
a
hundred
nineteen
thousand
dollars
on
a
two
hundred
dollar
move
and
that
two
hundred
dollars
is
net
money
anytime.
H
I
We
but
a
couple
of
the
plans
do
increase
the
deductibles.
So
what
I'm
saying
is
that
looking
at
this
increasing
the
deductible
by
a
substantial
amount
returns
the
least
amount
of
money
to
you
see
that
in
in
Greece,
and
you
see
what
I'm
saying
I
mean
you're
looking
confused,
but
I
think
you'll
get
it
in
a
minute
bet:
$200
increasing
the
deductible
$200,
which
I
believe
when
a
lower
paid
you
know.
Team
member
is
is
a
lot
and
it's
only
returning
119,000
as
opposed
to
increasing
out-of-pocket.
R
H
That's
why
we
leave
dental
out,
but
what
we
are
looking
at
for
the
future
is,
is
that
one
of
the
drivers
of
why
our
premiums
are
so
high
on
dental
is
we
have
a
very
high
amount
of
orthodontics
is
done
in
there.
So
what
Kurt
and
I've
discussed
is
the
possibility
of
maybe
offering
two
different
dental
plans.
One
would
be
with
a
very
low
or
none
or
no
orthodontics,
and
the
other
would
be
you
know
with
a
higher
orthodontics,
and
that
way
folks
would
have
a
much
lower
premium
and.
C
R
M
H
R
I
think
I
want
to
give
you
all
the
timeline,
those
that
we're
all
really
clear.
So
basically,
we
need
to
have
paperwork
signed
by
Blue,
Cross
and
Blue
Shield
on
October
8th
in
order
for
us
to
get
they
have
to
process
what
our
plan
is,
so
that
employees
can
get
their
cards
by
January,
1st
2009
or
2019
we're
planning
on
holding
open
enrollment
the
last
week
of
October
first
week
in
the
first
two
weeks
of
November,
so
that's
sort
of
our
timeline.
R
I
H
I
H
A
Okay,
it
is
a
good
discussion,
they
don't
pour
it,
but
we
do
need
to.
We
need
to
move
on
all
right.
So
the
let's
do
the
board
appointments.
We've
got
vacancies
on
the
women's
Commission
there's
11
vacancies.
They
have
provided
a
Liz.
The
Commission's
provided
a
list
of
recommended
appointees
to
us,
which
is
the
the
folks
on
this
list
in
the
information
packet.
D
A
All
in
favor,
please
say
aye
aye
any
opposed
all
right.
Thank
you.
We
now
come
to
public
comment,
so
if
any
members,
so
the
public
would
like
to
comment
now,
it's
the
time
to
do
it.
You
can
speak
to
us
about
any
issues
other
than
things
that
we've
already
had
public
comment
on
earlier
this
evening.
So
you
have
three
minutes
and
yeah.
You
come
up
and
just
share
your
name
and
where
you
live.
Q
Hi
I'm,
Janet,
Crompton
and
I'm
retired
I
spoke
earlier
and
I
think
I
spoke
too
early.
That's
confused,
I'm!
Sorry,
I
just
wanted
a
couple
of
things.
When
you
talk
about
selling
of
the
leave
policy,
I
think
most
employees
would
would
say,
eliminate
that
program
completely
to
save
our
insurance.
Secondly,
I'm
retired.
That's
where
my
my
concern
is
I,
don't
I
don't
get
those
raises.
My
my
income
will
qualify
me
for
Medicaid
I
mean
I
took
I,
took
early
retirement
because
I
needed
to
get
out
to
save
my
insurance.
Q
Things
were
going
on
in
Buncombe,
County
that
you
know,
people
were
being
fired,
people
were
losing
and
it
was
an
issue
that
a
lot
of
people
left
when
when
I
left
and
the
biggest
draw
for
that
was
the
insurance.
Mr.
Whiteside,
he
said
himself,
he
gets
a
retirement
package.
Is
yours
affected
by
anybody
else's.
Mr.
Whiteside.
Q
Q
We
again,
we
don't
have
the
we
don't,
have
the
leave
policy,
the
selling
of
the
annual
leave.
We
don't
have
the
benefits.
We
don't
have
the
longevity.
We
don't
have
the
colas,
we
don't
have
any
of
that.
We
have
a
set
salary
or
pension.
That's
it
and
please
just
consider
that
I
don't
understand
why
we
can't
just
add
a
third
column
for
retirees,
we're
going
to
be
aging
out
anyway.
We're
going
to
be
getting
Medicaid
I'll
be
getting
Medicaid
in
nine
years,
I'm
one
of
the
younger
people
that
retired.
Q
Please
just
consider
that
for
us
it's
it's
a
financial
detriment
for
me
and
my
family,
and
another
thing
is
that
my
insurance
I
just
learned
this
at
yesterday's
meeting
with
mr.
Euler.
My
insurance
is
paid
for,
but
I'm
paying
a
family
rate
because
I
have
to
carry
my
husband,
who's.
Self-Employed
it
should
I
not
have
to
should
I
not
be
allowed
to
pay
just.
Q
That
comes
out
of
my
my
retirement
check
and
that,
if
you
could
consider
that
something
you
know
like
that,
I
don't
I,
don't
know
if
that's
I'd
be
willing
to
continue
to
pay.
If
she'll
just
keep
my
insurance
the
way
it
is
and
I
know
that
a
lot
of
retirees
feel
the
same
way
and
again,
like
I,
said
I
just
received
a
text,
apparently
I
didn't
realize
we're
on
TV.
D
D
U
I
U
Current
Bukka,
County
and
retiree
about
this
vote
to
approve
new
County
insurance
plan,
I've
spoken
to
retirees
who
had
no
idea
about
the
insurance
changes.
There
are
going
to
be
taking
place
because
they
did
not
get
notified
or
they
do
not
check
the
county
website
and
some
of
them
even
live
out
of
state.
This
Commission
has
meantimes
spoken
about
the
quality
of
life
and
I.
U
Ask
you
to
consider
quality
of
life
that
you
will
be
changing
to
York
County
retirees
by
forcing
us
to
pay
more
out-of-pocket
for
health
care,
so
many
are
living
on
fixed
income.
We
worked
for
the
county,
not
because
it
had
the
best
pay,
but
because
of
good
benefits
that
were
available
that
keep
changing
and
not
in
a
good
way.
We
look
at
being
able
to
take
care
of
ourselves
and
not
to
be
a
burden
to
a
burden
on
loved
ones,
family,
members
or
anyone
else.
U
We
have
to
count
for
and
plan
for,
every
penny
and
where
it
goes,
because
we
do
not
get
a
cost-of-living
increase,
a
pay
raise
or
even
the
opportunity
to
get
promoted.
What
we
receive
from
retirement
each
month
is
all
that.
We
will
receive
until
Social
Security
starts
if
it's
still
available,
forcing
us
to
pay
more
for
health
care,
is
taking
money
away
from
food
clothing,
vehicle
repair
which
could
force
us
to
shortchange
bills,
while
some
I
may
be
able
to
get
some
type
of
part-time
employment
to
help
in
those
areas.
U
There
are
just
as
many,
if
not
more,
who
cannot
I
was
informed
that
I
would
be
receiving
a
12%
monthly
premium.
Savings,
which
sounds
good
but
in
reality,
is
no
savings.
When
my
deductible
is
raised,
$900
an
out-of-pocket
maximum
is
raised
2,300
for
a
total
of
32
hundred
per
year
increase.
We
all
are
different
and
we
all
take
different
paths
in
life
and
cannot
be
monetarily
set
when
we
were
tired.
So
I'm
asking
you
please
to
show
that
you
care
about
this
County's
retirees
and
our
quality
of
life.
U
Nobody's
does
I'm
sure.
Mr.
Whiteside
is
aware
of
that.
What
we
receive
when
we
retire
is
already
accounted
for
and
where
it's
going
to
so
an
increase
in
our
premium
and
an
increase
in
our
out
of
pocket,
we're
lower
what
we're
getting
in
retirement
and
I
understand
the
county
needs
to
change
and
I
understand.
Everybody
needs
to
change,
but
look
after
your
retirees,
the
ones
that
stayed
with
Buncombe
County
for
those
benefits.
Thank
you.
Thanks.
Chris.
V
Good
afternoon
my
name
is
rosemary
Kuykendall,
Ross,
I
retired,
from
the
sheriff's
office,
with
over
20
years
service
and
as
a
retiree,
we
were
told
that
if
we
would
take
an
early
retirement
that
it
would
save
the
county
a
lot
of
money,
so
a
lot
of
us
took
that
early
retirement
thinking
that
we
would
have
insurance
until
we
can,
you
know,
do
better
or
you
know
get
on
whatever
so
I
to
ask
you
to
reconsider
to
look
out
for
us.
You
know
we
looked
after
the
county.
V
N
It's
great
being
income
county
manager,
you're
able
to
give
them
some
truth.
You
gave
them
the
truth
on
the
Cola
and
it
come
right
back
around
and
bit
him
in
the
butt.
They
wouldn't
listen
to.
You
I
hope
they
listen
to
you
on
this.
You
know
I,
said
here
tonight
and
I.
Listen
to
a
group
of
people
come
in
here
and
be
on
the
agenda
and
rake
this
board
over
the
coals.
N
Because
of
something
you
didn't
sign,
and
they
said:
oh
man,
you
know
we
need
to
give
money
to
the
schools
and
you
just
gave
30
million
to
the
schools.
Oh
I've
lived
in
welcome
for
thirty
years
and
paid
taxes
for
thirty
years,
I
paid
taxes
in
welcome
County
for
71
years.
You
know
the
government
ought
to
do
all
this
stuff
about
infrastructure.
N
The
stupid
government
builds
houses
back
where
they
get
flooded
out
and
washed
away
how
many
times
so
the
government
doesn't
do
anything.
That's
right,
it's
stupid
when
it
works,
and
you
know
I'm
right
on
that.
Why
would
you
build
a
house
back?
Why
would
you
spend
millions
of
dollars
developing
the
river
front
in
1916
washed
everything
away?
That's
kind
of
stupid.
N
You
all
are
paying
40
if
you
work
and
if
you
got
a
second
job
you're
paying
for
it
too,
and
now
we're
going
to
be
looking
at
a
tax
increase
to
balance
the
budget
because
we
don't
have
commissioners,
that's
got
the
guts
to
tell
the
truth
and
look
at
the
bottom
line
that
you
saw
tonight.
There's
a
train
wreck
coming.
If
you
don't
cut
you're
going
to
have
to
cut
now,
I
got
suggestion,
for
you
only
got
49
seconds,
AP
tech.
Let
them
come!
Do
the
welders
program
over
here.
N
Aren't
you
training
people
over
a
BTech
to
do
welders
programs?
If
you're
not
you
ought
to
start
that
program.
They
ought
to
do
it
for
Marcum
County
for
free,
because
look
what
we
give
in
talk
about
movies
for
MSD
I,
just
talk
to
you,
public
relations
guy
gal
tonight,
small
staff
MSD
needs
a
movie
showing
what's
going
on,
tell
wastewater
treatment.
Plant
I
won't
get
into
the
details.
N
But
if
you
won't
ask
me
another
one,
you
talk
about
a
healthy
environment,
healthy
eating,
don't
we
have
one
of
the
best
culinary
programs
in
the
country
and
a
BTech?
Well,
why
don't
we
get
them
over
here
to
do
snack
bars?
Let
them
do
it
for
free
as
part
of
their
education.
Now
that
says
a
BTech
that
saves
us.
That's
a
win-win
gentlemen.
A
Alright
think's
on
emails.
Yes,
sir.
T
My
name
is
Tim
Hollis
I'm
from
Fairview
and
I
gotta.
Tell
you,
I
really
appreciate
that
entire
presentation
on
the
health
care
program,
my
health
care,
was
$36,000
two
years
ago
so
because
I'm,
a
businessman
so
I
can
appreciate
the
work
you
put
into
that
and
I
would
love
to
have
that.
One
thing
I
would
say,
though,
is
we
actually
have
so
many
different
layers?
If
2009
you
were
working
here,
you
get
to
have
the
ninety
five
five.
T
If
2016
you're
working
here,
you
get
to
have
your
spouse
on
it,
even
if
they
have
health
care
coverage
from
their
own
employer,
but
after
that
they
can't
go
on
it.
So
it's
just
like
it's
like
almost
like
a
menu
at
a
Chinese
restaurant,
but
the
other
thing
I
want
to
talk
about
was
transparency.
I
sat
in
a
library
board
meeting
this
week.
I
truly
appreciate
our
commission
and
the
allowance
of
having
us
comment.
T
Whereas
I
went
to
a
library
meeting
where
7%
of
our
workforce
is
under
these
people,
they're
hiring
a
new
tour
director
and
the
public
cannot
comment.
I
was
dumbfounded,
especially
after
watching
all
of
you
all
on
videos.
I
would
really
recommend
that
you
change
the
library's
document
for
either
it's
beginning
to
say
that
the
public
meetings
follow
the
regulations,
including
public
comment.
A
All
right,
I
think
we're
we're
done
with
public
comment.
Quick
announcements,
October
2nd
5:00
p.m.
commissioners
will
hold
a
regular
meeting
at
200
college
Street
Street
room
three
to
six
October
16th
at
5
p.m.
the
county
commissioners
will
hold
the
regular
meeting
at
200.
College
Street
room
three
to
six
and
we
do
have
a
closed
session.
L
We
have
one
person
we
have
one.
Pursuant
to
north
carolina
general
statute,
143
318
111
a
three
to
discuss
a
legal
matter
with
retain
counsel
pertaining
to
the
following
lawsuits:
County
of
bunkum
versus
Wanda,
Skellington,
green
and
Michael
Green,
18
CBS
zero
to
five,
and
then
we
have
another
matter
which
is
pursuant
to
North
Carolina
143
318
11
for
to
discuss
matters
related
to
economic
development
matter.
Alright,
thank
you.
Miss
Hockaday,
sir
motion.