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A
A
As
we
gather
this
evening,
I
know,
all
of
us
continue
to
hold
in
our
hearts,
those
in
Texas
in
Louisiana,
who
are
recovering
from
the
vestiges
of
flooding
and
other
damage
brought
about
by
Hurricane
Harvey,
even
as
we
remember
the
victims
of
Harvey,
we
are
also
we're
also
aware
of
another
hurricane
Irma.
Now
a
category
5
storm
that
is
approaching
the
Caribbean
and
southeastern
coast
of
the
United
States.
A
Let
us
keep
these
folks
in
our
hearts,
those
who
begin
the
process
of
rebuilding
their
lives
and
those
who
find
themselves
brace
for
the
impact
of
another
potential
storm.
Let
us
also
remember
the
first
responders
from
local
state
and
federal
agencies
and
the
many
hundreds
of
regular
citizens
who
have
helped
their
neighbors
during
this
time
of
crisis
in
our
country.
A
We
will
be
considering
the
development
of
a
solar
farm
project
on
the
retired
County
Landfill
at
the
meeting
tonight,
but
none
of
the
businesses
that
I
have
a
an
interest
in
will
have
any
role
in
the
development
or
installation
or
operation
of
this
project,
and
for
that
reason,
I
believe
I
do
not
have
a
financial
conflict
of
interest.
I'm
gonna
ask
the
attorney
to
confirm
that
that's
correct.
A
Thank
you
all
right,
seeing
no
others
they're
all
board
members
have
a
duty
and
obligation
to
vote
on
all
items
that
come
for
vote
of
the
board
this
evening.
We're
now
to
our
public
comment
period.
The
time
limit
for
individual
comment
to
the
board
is
three
minutes.
If
your
time
expires,
you
may
leave
any
question
along
with
your
name
address
and
phone
number
with
the
county
manager
board.
Members
are
not
expected
to
comment
on
any
matters
during
public
comment.
This
is
your
time
to
speak
to
us.
A
The
board
reserves
the
right
to
deny
public
address
on
any
subject.
That's
been
previously
presented
to
the
board
at
the
same
meeting
and
before
we
move
on
I
want
to
mention
that
Kathy
Hughes,
the
county
clerk,
is
at
a
conference
in
the
western
United
States
today,
and
for
that
reason
we
have
Michael
FRU
sitting
in
for
Kathy
tonight
to
help
us
out
in
that
role.
Michael
thanks
for
doing
that.
All
right
are
there.
Any
members
of
the
public
would
like
to
address
the
Commission
please
coming
up
and
Vijay.
You
can
be
next.
B
Thanks
for
the
opportunity
to
make
this
address,
my
wife
and
I
were
attracted
to
by
a
previously
owned
home
in
cedarwood
by
several
factors.
Ideal
lot
characteristics,
wonderfully
managed
environmental
consciousness,
long-term
residence
and
strong,
an
active
home
owners
board.
I
am
a
member
of
the
board,
so
I'll
be
addressing
the
rezoning
request
this
before
the
board
your
board.
A
B
We
were
attracted
to
by
our
house
for
for
character
for
things:
ideal
lot,
characteristics,
wonderfully
managed
environmental
consciousness,
long
term
residents
and
strong
and
active
homeowners
board.
I
am
a
member
of
that
board.
The
lot
characteristics
are
ideal
for
our
demographic
geezers.
Many
of
us
are
quite
active,
enjoying
the
outdoor
opportunities
throughout
the
county.
I
am
a
long-term
member
of
a
volunteer
trail
maintenance
crew.
With
the
Carolina
mountain
club.
We
maintain
repair
and
build
trail
sections,
the
Appalachian
Trail
the
mountains
to
see
trail
and
other
connecting
trails
that
are
across
our
county
I'm.
B
Also
the
Leave
No
Trace
coordinator
for
the
club
I'm
telling
you
all.
This
is
background
for
why
I
have
a
concern
personally,
not
just
for
the
Community
Association,
my
wife
and
I
hike
with
a
couples
group
across
lots
of
trails
all
over
the
Blue
Ridge
and
even
in
northern
Georgia
in
East
Tennessee
I've
ridden
my
bike
across
the
Blue
Ridge
Parkway.
In
most
of
it's
run
through
the
county,
I've
written
it
up
our
community
roads,
we
share
a
common
trait
to
most
of
our
community.
B
We
want
to
get
into
the
mountains,
often
as
quickly
as
possible,
and
there's
no
community
like
ours
with
such
easy
access
to
them,
as
well
as
to
any
other
part
of
the
county.
Our
lots
are
suited
to
our
lifestyle.
Very
little
grass
mowing
opting
more
for
tree
based
and
native
shrub
flower
landscaping.
We
love
how
cedar
wood
estates
lot
characteristics
amplify
our
home
values
and
our
quality
of
life.
The
environmental
consciousness
part
starts
with
the
board's
concern
and
management
of
water.
B
Our
terrain
is
rough
in
places,
so
our
board
apportions
money
to
ensure
we
maintain
safe
routing
and
distribution
of
rainwater
from
the
top
plot
to
the
bottom.
That
includes
carefully
managing
the
weathering
and
aging
of
our
pavements.
Three
of
us
are
members
of
the
mountain
club's,
Thursday
trail
maintenance,
crew
and
it's
gratifying
to
see
how
well
the
work
of
our
board
matches
the
work
of
a
trail,
maintenance,
crew
and
the
knowledge
of
what
damages
the
pavements
or
surfaces.
B
A
Sorry,
what
I'm
sorry
I
was
a
speaking
to
these
other
folks
and
and
just
for
clarification
on
the
timing.
So
the
lights
are
not
operational
this
evening.
So
Michael
will
let
you
know
when
your
three
minutes
are
up
so
I'm.
Sorry,
maybe
can
you
give
a
little
warning
with
30
seconds
left?
Okay,
thanks
all
right
thanks.
C
Good
evening,
commissioners,
and
thank
you
for
the
opportunity
to
to
comment
tonight-
my
name
is
Vijay
Kapoor
and
I
live
in
South
Asheville
I'm
here
on
behalf
of
residents
who
live
along,
overlook
road
to
provide
you
with
an
update
on
the
proposed
development
and
also
to
invite
you
all
to
it
to
a
town
hall
meeting
with
the
developer
and
the
public
next
Wednesday
September
13th
from
6
p.m.
to
8
p.m.
at
Koontz
intermediate
school.
As
you
might
know,
a
new
developer
has
proposed
a
98
home
subdivision
on
25
acres
off
overlook
road.
C
We
found
out
about
this
new
application,
not
because
the
developer
or
his
team
told
us,
but
because
a
resident
called
the
county
on
a
different
issue
and
just
had
the
sense
to
ask
which
didn't
do
a
whole
lot
for
out
for
our
trust.
The
developer
has
told
us
that
he
expects
the
homes
to
be
in
the
2,000
to
3,000
square
foot
range
and
cost
and
allow
Lowe
four
hundred
thousands,
depending
upon
the
result
of
a
market
study.
C
As
designed,
the
subdivision
will
will
require
clear-cutting,
25
acres
of
forest
and
its
main
entrance
on
a
blind
curve
on
overlook
road
direct
directly
across
from
west,
which
road
because
of
the
terrain,
the
developer
himself
stated
that
he
would
need
to
do
significant
grading
in
some
places
as
much
as
30
to
35
feet.
That's
between
three
and
four
stories
and
we're
on
the
just
give
you
some
context
we're
on
the
third
floor
here.
C
Residents
are
very
concerned
about
traffic,
about
safety,
about
the
appearance
of
the
proposed
development
and
about
stormwater
independently
we've
had
people
in
the
development
community
review
these
plans
and
development
unity,
folks,
who
are
usually
I'm
on
the
on
the
other
side
of
review.
These
plans
and
they've
expressed
similar
concerns.
They
believe
that,
because
of
the
steep
terrain,
the
grading
will
be
much
more
difficult
than
this
developer,
who
is
from
Greensboro
and
who
hasn't
developed
anything
in
Asheville
realizes
this
type
of
subdivision
really
requires,
and
you
can
see
it
here.
C
It's
a
bunch
of
coda
sex
requires
land
to
be
flat,
which
is
why
we
see
it
a
lot
Charlotte
and
Greensboro,
but
very
little
in
Asheville.
As
these
developers
have
told
me,
there's
a
reason
why
this
area
hasn't
been
developed.
Yet
I
also
want
to
make
you
aware
of
some
of
the
frustrations
that
residents
are
having
most
of
them
live
in
the
city
of
Asheville,
where
this
development,
as
designed
likely,
would
not
be
able
to
be
built.
C
C
Doesn't
this
piece
of
property
is
surrounded
by
the
city
of
Asheville,
but
yet
the
development
rules,
for
it
are
much
less
strict,
simply
because
it's
in
the
county
for
those
of
us
who
live
in
this
excuse
me
for
those
of
us
who
live
on
the
border
of
the
city
in
the
county.
This
situation
is
a
perfect
example
of
how
the
county
and
the
city
need
to
be
coordinating
their
development
policies
for
land
on
the
borders,
and
we
hope
this
experience,
and
we
know
many
of
you
have
received
a
lot
of
emails.
C
D
Good
evening
my
name's
Carter
Webb
I
appreciate
you
guys
taking
my
comments
and
just
let
me
know
when
the
30
seconds
for
a
minute,
so
I
live
on
West
Ridge,
Drive,
I'm
gonna
speak
to
the
same
type
of
development
that
we're
talking
about
at
West.
Ridge
is
just
off
of
overlook
Road
in
South
Asheville
and
as
Vijay
was
talking
about
the
development
of
98
homes
on
25
acres
is
what
I'm
here
to
talk
about,
but
more
specifically,
I
mean
you've
heard
of
the
problems
with
traffic
that
this
is
gonna
cause.
D
You
problems
with
the
massive
amounts
of
dirt
that
the
grading
is
gonna
take
place
with
with
causing
causing
water
runoff,
but,
like
I,
said
I'm
here
today
to
discuss
my
concerns
with
the
proposal
to
match
up
the
West
Ridge
Drive,
which
is
West
Ridge,
starts
at
overlook
Road
and
then
goes
to
Spring
side
Drive.
So
a
lot
of
people
use
West,
Ridge
Drive
as
a
cut
through
the
speed
limit
on
my
road
where
I
live
on.
West
Ridge
is
25
miles
per
hour,
but
many
cut
through
the
road
to
get
through
Springside.
D
Recently,
the
city
of
Asheville
approved
a
traffic
calming
measures
project
on
West
Ridge
Drive
to
install
eight
speed
humps
on
the
road.
So
there's
obviously
a
concern
with
the
speeding
problems
on
West
Ridge.
The
proposal
for
the
development
there
it
matches
it
up
with
West
Ridge,
which
will
increase
the
traffic
I've
got
two
children
and
because
of
the
problems
with
the
speeding
on
the
road,
I
hesitate
to
allow
my
children
to
play
on
West
Ridge
Drive
without
adult
supervision.
D
D
If
the
proposal
moves
forward
also
along
the
construction
of
this
project
during
the
construction,
this
project
I
anticipate
that
many
trucks
will
use
the
road
to
avoid
the
traffic
on
overlook
the
trucks
that
are
doing
the
development,
whether
they're
grading
or
whatever
they're
doing
a
group
of
us
met
with
a
developer
last
week
and
I
express
these
concerns
directly
to
him.
I
suggested
he
make
make
it
so.
The
residents
that
come
out
of
his
development
are
forced
to
either
turn
right
or
left
onto
Overlook.
It
can't
go
straight.
D
He
assured
me
they'd
heard
me
I'm,
not
sure
what
that
means,
but
I
really
think.
As
elected
officials,
you
need
to
take
a
look
at
this
closely.
The
changes
that
they're
proposing
will
have
damaging
effects
on
the
area
for
generations
to
come.
As
vijay
mentioned,
we
have
a
town
hall
meeting
next
Wednesday
September
13th
from
6:00
to
8:00
at
Koontz,
intermediate
and
I
would
strongly
encourage
you
guys
to
attend.
I
really
appreciate
the
time
to
express
my
concerns
and
appreciate
thanks.
Thank.
E
A
F
G
F
Got
a
pic
on
the
DA
tonight
and
the
sheriff
you
know:
that's
two
guys
I
want
to
pick
on
judges
they
all
right
anyway,
I'll
miss
the
article
you're
going
to
be
voting
on
right
on
the
DA.
We
are
okay,
the
money
that
you're
talking
about
tonight
over
the
years.
You
know
it's
been
kind
of
a
slush
fund
so
to
speak,
or
it's
getting
a
bit
I'd
like
to
know.
F
F
So
I'd
like
to
know
where
this
money
is
going
to
be
taken
out
of
I
think
you
need
to
be
a
little
more
explanation
on
the
history
of
this
money
and
what
it's
designated
for,
and
also
how
it's
to
be
used
and
have
they
been
a
policy
in
the
past
its
specific
or
is
this
politics
at
work?
So
imagine
it
all
encompassed,
but
anyway,
I
think
I'd
like
to
see
some
clarification
on
this
for
voting
on
whose
authority
it
is
and
whose
money
it
is.
Okay.
Thank
you.
A
We
will
take
public
comment
on
that
issue
when
we
come
back
up
to
it.
I'll
ask
mr.
rice
not
to
comment
on
it
again,
since
we've
heard
his
thoughts,
we've
heard
his
thoughts
on
it,
I'm
sorry,
what
yes
I
did
yes,
I
did
I
actually
did
specifically
say
that
so
all
right
consent
agenda.
Are
there
any
questions
on
any
items
on
the
consent
agenda?
Our
emotion
to
approve.
H
A
A
Just
one
of
you
know
thousands
of
people
in
Buncombe
County
who
were
really
touched
by
life
and
the
musical
gifts
and
was
honored
to
have
the
sons
of
route
play
at
my
the
party
we
had
at
the
evening
before
my
wedding,
and
it
was
a
really
special
part
of
that
and
I
know.
Just
you
guys
touched
so
many
lives.
So
I'm
really
honored
to
have
you
with
us
this
evening
and
appreciate
Commissioner
Presley
presenting
this
proclamation.
I
Navy
later
he
become
one
of
the
bluegrass
boys
toured
Europe
Japan
and
the
US,
and
appear
in
regular
on
the
Grand,
Ole
Opry
and
whereas
in
his
later
year
and
up
to
his
death,
Ralph
Lewis
was
one
of
the
signs
of
Ralph
playing
with
his
sons,
Marty
and
Don.
And
where
is
Ralph
Lewis
passed
away.
August
fed
2017
at
the
age
of
89,
leaving
family
and
friend,
and
the
bluegrass
legacy
that
will
never
be
forgotten.
I
And
whereas
it
is
said
that
Ralph
Aloha,
adapted
to
both
the
high
lonesome,
sound
bluegrass
and
rhythm
rock-and-roll,
and
that
of
his
music
sounded
as
this
was
carved
out
of
the
mountains
himself.
And
this
board
wishes
to
honor
the
memory
of
Ralph
Lewis
as
legendary
music
career.
Now,
therefore,
be
it
proclaimed
by
the
Board
of
Commissioners
for
the
county
of
bunkum
as
father.
A
All
right,
Thank,
You,
Commissioner
Preston
again,
thank
you
all
for
being
with
us
and
for
sharing
this
treasured
member
of
your
family
with
us
for
all
these
years,
and
thank
you
for
being
with
us
tonight
all
right.
The
next
item
on
our
agenda
is
a
rezoning
item
on
the
Brad
Howell
property.
From
requesting
zoning
change
from
R
1
to
R,
3
and
Debbie
Trumpy
will
explain
the
rezoning
request
found.
J
Mr.
chairman,
members
of
the
board,
Brad
Howell
has
applied
to
rezone
an
approximately
4
acre
portion
of
tax
lot,
Penn
nine
66746
to
555
from
our
one
residential
to
our
three
residential.
The
property
is
located
to
the
north
and
east
of
50
Hemphill
Road.
The
subject
property
is
part
of
a
larger
vacant
tract
with
portions
zoned,
r1,
r3
and
CS.
J
The
tract
has
frontage
on
Charlotte
Highway,
but
is
currently
accessed
from
Hemphill
Knoll
road
of
the
two
properties
to
the
north
of
the
subject.
One
is
vacant
and
the
other
contains
a
manufactured
home
in
both
are
zoned
r1
to
the
east.
Two
properties
are
developed
with
single-family
homes,
and
one
is
vacant
in
all:
are
zoned
r1
the
property
to
the
south
is
vacant
and
a
split
zone
CS
and
our
three
properties
to
the
west
include
a
mix
of
single-family
homes,
zoned,
r1
and
r3.
J
The
applicant
is
seeking
the
rezoning
in
order
to
cluster
future
multifamily
development
within
an
area
the
property
that
is
part
of
a
natural
knoll.
With
more
moderate
terrain,
the
Planning
Department
recommends
approval
of
the
proposed
rezoning
as
it
is
consistent
with
comprehensive
Land
Use
Plan,
the
2013
update,
suggests
multifamily
development
to
be
within
reasonable
proximity
to
major
transportation
corridors
within
combined
water
and
sewer
service
areas
outside
of
flood
hazard
areas
and
outside
of
high
elevations.
J
J
The
main
concerns
were
access,
density,
visibility,
traffic,
landslide
potential
and
incompatibility
with
surrounding
single-family
development.
The
Planning
Board
found
that
the
proposed
map
amendment
is
not
consistent
with
the
land
use
plan
is
not
reasonable,
nor
in
the
public
interest
due
to
steep
slopes,
moderate
hazard,
slope
stability,
areas
in
the
surrounding
single-family
development
and
recommended
denial
of
the
rezoning
in
a
vote
of
7
to
0
and
I'd
be
happy
to
take
any
questions.
Now,
if
you
have
them.
A
K
I
was
shocked
by
this
statement,
and
I
would
be
very
reticent
to
give
this
Builder
permission
to
do
anything
on
that
space.
I
think
it
is
well
adapted
to
our
one.
It
will
leave
a
lot
of
trees
and
will
not
be
very
visible,
but
if
you
start
cutting
a
lot
of
trees
and
building
large
condominiums,
it's
going
to
be
not
only
visible
from
the
Parkway
but
visible
from
a
lot
of
access
roads
and
will
not
be
in
keeping
with
the
surrounding
environment.
Thank
you.
L
Good
evening
my
name
is
Tracy
Dotson,
my
wife,
Lorene
and
I
lived
at
34
Hemphill
Knoll
Road,
which
is
a
property
which
borders
the
lower
western
boundary
of
the
subject
property.
All
the
way
down
to
Charlotte
Highway
I
wanted
to
reiterate
that
the
the
planning
development
board
unanimously
rejected
this
proposal,
and
we
had
approximately
20
residents
from
cedar
wood
and
from
the
Hemphill
Cove
community
that
attended.
It
was
mentioned
a
minute
ago.
L
The
there
is
not
adequate
access
to
the
subject
property
to
support
anything
other
than
single-family
residence.
There's
a
Hemphill
knoll
Road
that
our
property
access
to
our
property
and
and
beyond
us
to
this
property
and
three
other
log
cabins
is
is
in
disrepair.
The
maintenance
of
that
is
responsible
for
the
members
of
that
particular
neighborhood
and
would
not
support
traffic
sufficient
for
developing
a
multi,
a
multi-family
housing
and
then
subsequent
use
of
their
of
the
only
other
access
is
would
be
well.
Also.
L
Anything
on
mention
is
that
Hempfield
no
Road
through
our
property
is
a
single
lane,
gravel
road
on
a
building,
a
Ledge.
So
again,
there's
not
an
adequate
two-way
road
to
support
a
large
number
of
cars
going
up
and
down
through
that
neighborhood.
Also,
there
is
insufficient
right-of-way
between
our
property
and
miss
Hargreaves
property
to
enable
in
an
adequate
right-of-way
from
Charlotte
Highway
to
the
subject
property
if
the
developer
so
chose
to
go
that
way.
So
we
again,
we
oppose
the
rezoning
of
this
property.
Thank
you
very
much.
M
I
want
to
thank
you
for
the
opportunity
to
speak
to
the
board
tonight.
My
name
is
Patrick
Gallagher
I'm,
the
current
president
of
the
cedar,
wood
estates,
homeowners
association,
first
of
all,
I'd,
like
there's
a
number
of
people
here,
they're
opposed
to
the
rezoning
from
our
R
1
to
R,
3
and
I'd
like
them
to
stand.
Please
thank
you,
and
these
are
more
than
just
cedar
wood
residents.
M
These
are
people
who,
in
the
general
neighborhood
I,
might
I've
lived
in
cedar
wood
estate
since
1993
nearly
25
years
and
I
am
a
licensed
general
contractor
I've
built
and
lived
in
three
different
homes
and
cedar
wood
estates.
Something
that
came
up
in
the
planning
board
meeting
was:
is
that
property
visible
from
the
Blue
Ridge
Parkway?
The
photograph
you
have
was
actually
taken
from
the
Blue
Ridge
Parkway
visitor
center.
M
The
Knoll
is
dead
center
in
that
picture,
and
this
is
with
the
leaves
on
the
trees,
clearly
visible
right
in
front
of
the
Blue
Ridge
Parkway
visitor
center,
so
whatever's
built
on
top
of
that
Knoll
will
be
there
in
all
its
glory
to
every
visitor
to
that
visitor
center.
The
second
page
is
actually
a
google
map,
which
shows
the
line
of
sight
from
the
visitor
center
across
the
Blue
Ridge
Parkway.
The
yellow
arc
line
is
the
Blue
Ridge
Parkway.
M
M
Also,
the
stormwater
management
is
a
very
significant
concern.
It's
not
a
one-time
event
where
you
add
a
few
drains
and
a
couple
of
culverts.
It
requires
a
good
plan,
constant
monitoring
and
maintenance
and
continued
financial
funding
to
make
sure
it
is
maintained.
Erosion
and
silt
runoff
is
very
dramatic
and
as
very
dramatic
and
negative
effects
on
our
streams
and
rivers,
and
anybody
is
down
hill,
a
dense,
r3
development
being
a
lot
of
rooftops
and
parking
lots,
collecting
and
concentrating
water
and
sending
it
downhill
for
somebody
else
to
deal
with.
M
As
stated
the
subject:
property
borders
directly,
the
cedarwood
estate,
homeowners
association,
a
couple
of
our
properties
within
that
association,
our
HOA
covenants,
are
very
restrictive,
require
a
very
low
impact
to
the
to
the
environment.
Our
Lots
are
all
three
quarters
to
one
acres:
you
are
not
allowed
to
remove
any
trees.
There
are
more
than
fifteen
feet
away
from
the
house,
so
essentially
the
entire
neighborhood
is.
We
would.
N
M
It
remains
wooded,
even
with
that
the
entire
time
I've
been
living
in
cedar
wood
estates.
Stormwater
management
is
a
constant
concern.
It
requires
constant
maintenance
and
funding.
We
also
have
very
restrictive
governance
regarding
regulations
regarding
pets
that
must
be
on
leashes,
picking
up
bagging
and
disposing
of
pet
waste
general
cleanliness
of
the
neighborhood
limiting
of
noise
Larkin.
That
includes
barking
dogs.
These
are
the
types
of
things
that
cross
borders.
A
O
O
A
this
is
a
major
concern
of
mine,
especially
since
there's
homeowners
that
live
in
front
of
that
that
they
start
destabilizing
that
hill,
it's
going
to
end
up
in
their
backyards,
so
I
do
have
a
major
concern.
I,
really
really
wish
that
you
hope
that
you
will
follow
the
direction
of
the
Planning
Board
and
reject
this.
Thank
you.
P
My
name
is
Keith
Levi
live
at
12
Cedar
Summit
Road
in
cedarwood.
Mr.
chairman,
members
of
the
Commission
I
wish
to
speak
an
objection
to
the
rezoning
proposal
before
you
now.
The
implementation
of
zoning
is
a
contract
between
government
and
residents
of
Buncombe
County
in
exchange
for
the
loss
of
individual
property
rights.
We
can
expect
collective
protection
to
reasonably
see
land
develop
and
a
predictable
and
transparent
manner
to
purchase
and
improve
property
with
an
expectation
of
development
in
uses
deemed
appropriate
and
likely.
This
rezoning
request
violates
these
expectations.
P
However,
a
property
zoning
doesn't
have
to
be
constant.
There
can
be
justifications
for
change
in
use.
Perhaps
the
surrounding
area
has
naturally
evolved
into
new
uses.
That
is
not
the
case
here.
Neighboring
properties,
cedarwood
and
Hemphill
are
much
as
they
were
when
zoning
was
approved.
Low-Density
single-family
residential
may
be
their
unique
constraints
to
the
land
favor
and
rezoning
again.
Not
here,
this
property
has
limited
access.
P
Perhaps
this
land
was
purchased
prior
to
zoning
again.
This
is
not
the
case
here.
The
property
transferred
in
December
2016,
with
full
access
to
information
on
the
current
zoning,
the
allowable
uses
and
the
topo
restraints.
A
rezoning
approval
would
destroy
transparency.
An
r3
classification
would
run
with
the
land
allowing
this
owner
or
the
next
or
the
next
to
propose
any
use
allowable
within
the
new
zoning,
including
multifamily
apartments,
rooming
houses,
group
homes,
vacation
rental
complexes
and
manufactured
housing
parks.
I
do
not
speak
against
the
development
of
this
property.
P
In
all
honesty,
I
would
prefer
to
see
it
remain,
as
it
has
been
undisturbed
woodland,
but
it
is
not
my
property.
It
belongs
to
others
to
develop.
I
only
asked
it
as
developed
within
the
standards
of
the
current
zoning
that
the
county
honors
its
commitment
to
adjoining
neighbors
and
residents
that
the
county
upholds.
The
intent
of
the
r1
zoning
district
is
stated
in
its
land-use
ordinances.
P
The
r1
residential
district
is
primarily
intended
to
provide
locations
for
single-family
and
to
family
residential
development.
This
district
is
further
intended
to
protect
existing
subdivisions
from
encroachment
from
incompatible
land
use.
If
intended,
land
of
use
can
be
abandoned
for
simple
speculation,
then
what
is
the
point
of
zoning
in
the
first
place
and
what
protection
does
it
truly
offer?
Thank
you.
A
E
Thank
you
for
this
evening.
My
name
is
John
Adams
and
I
live
in
cedar
wood
estates.
I
just
have
a
simple
thing.
I'd
like
to
point
out
to
you,
I
think
you
all
have
a
copy
of
this
map
available
to
you
from
74
a
to
the
top
of
the
knoll
is
over
310
feet
of
elevation
gain
and
that's
in
less
than
a
quarter
of
a
mile
which
works
out
to
be
an
average
of
about
23%
grade.
E
Q
Good
evening
my
name
is
Chris:
sub
suck
I
live
in
cedar
wood
estates.
My
concerns
with
this
are
a
little
bit
different
than
other
people's.
Just
a
little
bit
about
me.
I
have
been
developing
cities,
states
and
countries
across
the
world
dealing
with
economic
development.
Now
the
issue
I
have
with
this
is
that
for
Asheville
there
are
two
major
entities
which
allow
for
this
city
to
grow
and
for
Buncombe
County
as
a
whole
to
grow.
These
are
the
trees
and
the
mountains.
Q
When
you
take
these
away,
you
will
lose
your
tourists
and
you
will
lose
the
people
who
come
here
to
retire
now.
I
ask
how
many
of
the
people
here
of
today
came
to
Asheville
and
saw
the
trees
and
the
mountains
and
fell
in
love
with
the
county,
as
I
did
probably
most
of
us
here.
Okay
now,
the
problem
with
the
land
which
has
been
proposed
for
development
is
that
it's
at
the
top
of
a
small
mountain.
Q
This
is
clearly
visible
from
both
Blue
Ridge
Parkway,
the
visitors
center,
where
every
tourist
goes,
the
intersection
of
I-40
and
I-240
as
well,
which
most
tourists
and
the
people
will
come
here
to
be
able
to
decide
whether
or
not
they
would
like
to
live
here.
Full-Time
will
be,
trimmed
will
be
going
through.
Now.
This
is
going
to
be
a
major
concern
for
basically
every
person
who
comes
into
the
county.
They
will
be
seeing
this
and
they
will
be
thinking
themselves.
Q
Do
I
want
to
come
back
here
as
a
tourist
if
they
are
allowing
this
to
be
happening
to
this
mountain,
which
I
can
see
clearly
visible.
What
is
going
to
happen
to
the
county
that
I
love?
What
is
going
to
happen
to
the
future
of
the
place
which
has
been
developed
for
tourism,
for
retirement
and
for
a
beautiful
lifestyle
for
most
people
now,
I'm
kind
of
surprised
actually
in
that
there
are
not
many
hotel
yours,
either
hotel
owners
or
operators.
Here
currently,
I've
worked
with
them
a
number
of
them
across
the
world.
Q
Usually
they
are
at
these
kind
of
areas
because
they
don't
want
to
have
their
businesses
impacted
all
right
now.
I
think
you
will
see
this
as
this
goes
forward
with
several
hotel
years
coming
up
and
telling
you
they
don't
want
their
businesses
impacted.
Okay,
as
this
is
a
major
thoroughfare,
every
person
coming
into
this
area
will
see
it
now,
I'm
not
against
economic
development.
Okay,
I
used
to
make
my
living
off
of
that,
but
it
needs
to
be
proper
economic
development
which
has
been
thought
through
which
the
planner
are
out.
Q
R
R
A
S
G
J
Developer
has
said
that
they
want
to
place
the
buildings
up
on
the
the
null,
which
is
the
less
steep
area
that
portion
that's
it's
up
for
rezoning,
although,
as
in
any
rezoning
they're
not
held
to
any
particular
development
plan.
At
this
point,
whatever
is
allowed
in
Aarthi
3
would
be
allowed.
Okay,.
G
J
J
S
G
I'm
not
I'm,
not
totally
against
the
developing
that,
but
this
is
not
not
necessarily
a
really
good
sign
for
that,
but
I
do
have
I.
Think
there's
been
people
mention
about
somebody
owned
that
and
somebody
sold
that.
So
we
have
to
always
take
that
into
consideration.
When
someone's
asking
for
a
rezoning,
she
said
the
developer
was
out
of
Greensboro
that
purchased
his
property.
Is
that
correct.
J
G
J
A
T
Spend
a
lot
of
people
speaking
and
one
gentleman
spoke
basically
put
it
out,
pretty
clear
he's
not
against
building
and
it's
somebody
else's
property,
but
they
bought
the
property
as
an
r1.
And
you
know
if
you
did
a
single-family,
but
now
you
stepping
into
a
different
room
the
gentleman
supposedly
about
it
in
December.
T
A
J
The
Planning
Department,
recommends
approval
of
the
proposed
amendment
as
it
is
consistent
with
section
78
640
statement
of
district
intent
of
the
zoning
ordinance,
which
states
the
Public
Service
District
is
intended
to
be
a
district
that
includes,
but
is
not
limited
to
governmentally,
owned
properties,
schools
and
large
college
properties,
recreation
parks
and
facilities,
emergency
services
and
community
clubs.
The
Planning
Department
also
recommends
approval
of
the
proposed
text
amendment
as
it
is
consistent
with
the
Buncombe
County
comprehensive
land
use
plan.
J
The
2013
update
indicates
that
temporary
dwellings
should
be
allowed
in
rural
jurisdictions
and
in
areas
that
allow
for
public
recreational
uses
of
property.
The
2013
update
indicates
the
following
objectives:
the
establishment
of
land
use
regulations
which
allow
for
a
flexible
range
of
development
options
and
the
expansion
of
existing
land
use
policies
and
regulations
to
adjust
for
changes
in
land
use
patterns
and
demands.
J
The
Planning
Board
held
a
public
hearing
on
this
amendment
August
the
7th
no
one
spoke
during
public
comment.
The
Planning
Board
found
that
the
proposed
map
amendment
is
consistent
with
the
land-use
plan
is
reasonable
and
in
the
public
interest
and
recommended
approval
of
the
amendment
in
a
vote
of
seven
to
zero.
A
G
J
G
A
J
Initiated
an
amendment
to
chapter
70,
the
Buncombe
County
Land,
Development
and
subdivision
ordinance
to
revise
the
definition
of
subdivision
in
Section
70
five
in
order
to
clarify
the
types
of
subdivisions
that
are
exempt
from
the
subdivision
ordinance,
a
revision
is
needed
because
the
General
Assembly
in
session
law
xx
17-10
added
two
types
of
subdivisions
which
are
exempt
from
subdivision
regulation.
Also,
a
clarification
for
subdivisions
of
Lots
over
ten
acres
is
added
to
make
clear
that
the
subdivision
is
exempt
only
when
all
of
the
lots
are
over
ten
acres.
J
The
digital
type
of
subdivisions
that
are
now
exempt
from
subdivision
regulation
are
the
division
of
a
tract
according
to
the
terms
of
a
probated
will
or
intestate
succession
the
division
of
attract
and
single
ownership
that
meets
these
additional
standards.
A
plat
must
be
recorded.
The
division
cannot
be
a
portion
of
an
exempt
subdivision
of
ten
acre
lots.
The
tract
cannot
be
subdivided
under
this
exemption
in
the
previous
ten
years,
the
tract
is
greater
than
five
acres
and
after
division
is
no
more
than
three
Lots.
J
The
Lots
meet
land
use
and
zoning
regulations
and
a
permanent
means
of
ingress
and
egress
is
recorded
for
each
lot.
The
Planning
Board
held
a
public
hearing
on
the
amendment
on
August
the
7th
no
one
spoke
during
public
comment.
The
Planning
Board
recommended
approval
of
the
amendment
in
a
vote
of
seven
to
zero.
G
A
G
U
Mr.
chairman
board
members
I'd
like
to
talk
to
y'all
tonight
about
the
possibility
of
putting
the
solar
farm
on
their
old,
abandoned
landfill
down
and
would
fit
we've
gone
through
the
process
of
putting
out
an
RFP
and
I
just
want
to
talk
to
you
a
little
bit
about
it
is
everybody
knows
the
land
is
located
down
on
Highway,
251
and
would
and
right
next
to
the
training
facility.
Next,
what
we?
U
What
we
really
wanted
to
do
is
won't
have
somebody
to
come
in
that
could
develop
it,
finance
it
bond
the
project
and
then
basically
come
in
and
do
the
connection.
Distribution
study
run
the
system
and
do
any
kind
of
maintenance
on
it
over
the
over
the
life
of
the
lease
and
also
do
ground
maintenance
next,
so
we
went
through
and
we
estimated
that
there's
around
30
acres
useable
flat
land.
Now
let
me
remind
you
that
this
is
an
abandoned
landfill,
so
none
of
these
panels
can
be
actually
set
down
into
the
ground.
U
They're
gonna
have
to
sit
basically
on
a
cast
concrete
block.
Simply
the
calls
like
say
we
can't
let
any
penetration
go
into
to
the
top
of
the
capital
of
the
existing
landfill.
We're
estimating
around
4
megawatts
I
think
what
the
the
chosen
company
will
have
to
do
is
one
is
that
they'll
need
to
come
in
and
determine
exactly
how
much
of
the
area
is
usable.
The
size
of
the
system
that
that
will
be.
You
know,
capable
whether
it's
30
acres,
20,
acres
or
40
acres.
Then
they've
got
to
look
at
the
distribution
center
system.
U
We
have
three-phase
power
that
comes
up
past
the
landfill,
the
closest
substation
is
on
the
south
end
of
the
MSD
metropolitan
Sewer,
Treatment
Plant,
so
they're
gonna
have
to
determine
okay.
Are
those
lines
big
enough
to
carry
the
amount
of
power
that
can
be
generated
from
this
site,
but
also
as
important
can
that
substation
handle
that
additional
power
that
will
be
coming
to
it?
U
So
study
is
going
to
have
to
be
done
before
Duke
Energy
will
accept
to
get
into
the
queue
to
start
that
whole
process
that
a
determine
if
they'll
accept
the
power
and
then
we're
gonna.
We
were
looking
for
somebody
to
lease
the
property
and
what
will
they?
What
will
they
give
us
for
that
lease?
Next?
U
So
what
we
did
we
started
out
in
in
early
June
and
did
an
RFP
distributed.
We
had
about
six
different
companies,
inquire
about
it
over
the
two
month
process.
What
we
actually
did.
We
had
three
companies
that
submitted
a
proposal
and
we
did
interviews
in
middle
of
August
and
I'm
here
tonight
to
make
a
recommendation
on
who
we'd
like
to
to
have
come
in
and
do
the
study
and
develop
hopefully
develop
the
the
solar,
the
solar
farm.
U
Three
companies
that
we
had
was
was
Hannah
solar,
Amira,
Resco
and
Duke
Energy,
the
as
you
can
see
that
they
didn't
next
slide
there,
please,
as
you
can
see,
every
everybody
really
recommended
the
estimates
there's
somewhere
about
three
megawatts
of
six
megawatts.
That
will
have
to
be
determined
as
the
study
comes
about
and
they
actually
get
on
the
ground
and
and
the
survey
and
look
at
the
distribution
center
and
the
substation,
the
S
Rex's,
which
is
a
solar
energy
credit
for
every
thousand
kilowatt
hours
produced
or
energy
produced.
U
There's
a
House
bill
that
just
got
passed
about
fifty
nine
and
they
were.
They
really
wanted
to
study
that
bill
more
and
then
Duke
Energy
came
in
and
said
that
they
give
us
a
twenty
five
year,
lease
seven
hundred
dollars
an
acre
and
also
that
they
would
extend
for
three
additional
five
year
periods
so
and
they
would,
and
they
Duke
would
also
come
back
and
let
us
do
the
maintenance
and
reimburse
us
for
that
maintenance.
U
So,
given
that
in
the
stamps
mine
Duke
Energy
made
the
best
proposal,
obviously
$700
an
acre
of
the
the
life
of
that,
that
least
being
up
to
forty
years
and
then
letting
us
do
the
maintenance
and
they
reimburse
us
I,
think
was
attractive
to
me
because
one
we
are
we're
currently
doing
maintenance
and
mowing
at
their
old
landfill.
But
if
there's
a
problem
with
abandoned
landfill,
we
want
to
jump
on
it
right
away.
G
S
F
Thank
You
mr.
chairman
members
board
my
question
on
Duke
they're,
the
big
dog
on
the
block.
We
know
that
they
know
more
the
statistics
and
these
other
two
now
just
wonder
if
the
other
two
is
had
the
opportunity
to
know
what
could
handle
the
wattage
that
they're
talking
about
putting
out
and
if
they
don't.
Is
it
an
unfair
advantage
for
Duke
to
have
this
knowledge
and
they
don't
have
it
because
the
megawatts
you
notice
goes
from
six
something
down
to
they
want
and
for
sure
they
can
give
more
money.
F
They
can
give
a
better
plan
because
they
got
all
the
money,
so
I
think
they
have
some
data
edge.
That
might
not
be
given
to
these
other
two
to
make
a
fair
shot
at
this
I.
Don't
know
if
those
questions
have
been
answered
or
not,
but
I
think
that
it
needs
to
be
investigated.
Looked
at
before
you
make
a
Duke
thing.
A
Any
other
folks
who'd
like
to
speak
all
right.
Thank
you!
So
John
do
you
wanna
just
talk
us
through
the
RFP
process
like
how?
How
did
that
work
in
terms
of
the
information
that
folks
had
about
the
property
and
our
interest
in
doing
the
project?
Did
anybody
have
more
information
than
anybody
else
about
the
property
that
yeah.
U
U
D
U
Had
done
a
19
projects
in
North,
Carolina
itself,
so
I
mean
they're
they're
good
size,
so
they
they
know
the
market.
They
know
what
what
they're
willing
to
pay
or
not-
and
you
know
some
of
these-
we
learn-
have
investors
and
what
they
do
is
basically
develop
it,
and
then
they
and
I
think
it's
more
important
to
us
that
to
try
to
keep
you
know
the
same
vendor
for
the
long
term
of
the
lease.
You
know,
I
think
it's
it's
on
our
best
interest.
G
A
I'll
just
say
that
I
think
was
a
good
process,
I'm
always
eager
to
get
these
things
going,
but
I
think
it
was
the
right
thing
to
do
to
go
through
this
process,
and
so
we
appreciate
all
the
companies
who
put
proposals
forward
and
I
am
but
I'm
supportive
of
the
motion.
So
yes,
mr.
Presley
go
ahead.
I.
I
U
T
V
I'll
just
add
that
I
was
also
one
of
the
commissioners
who
voted
no
earlier,
and
that
was
driven
by
wanting
to
see
us
go
through
this
process.
I'm
very
glad
we
have
and
I
feel
like.
It
sets
a
great
standard
for
us
moving
forward
to
just
do
that
kind
of
due
diligence
on
any
major
project
like
this.
So
thank
you
all
and
thank
you,
a
County
staff,
especially
for
taking
the
time
to
do
this
and
the
various
companies
that
bid
it
I'm
excited
to
vote
in
favor
of
the
motion
this
evening.
All.
D
A
W
So
good
evening
to
our
Commissioners
in
our
chairman,
my
name
is
Keenan
Lake.
For
those
who
don't
know
me,
I
am
a
part
of
the
community
engagement
team
here
at
Buncombe,
County,
Health
and
Human
Services,
or
the
county
itself,
and
I
am
gonna
talk
to
you
about
the
african-american,
historic
events
that
we've
been
having.
First
of
all,
let
me
give
you
a
little
bit
of
background
of
how
we
come
to
this.
So
back.
In
April
we
had
Mia
somber,
who
came
down
and
shared
with
us,
and
during
that
meeting
it
was
disclosed.
W
It
was
shared
at
that
time
that
we
would
like
to
have
more
information,
particularly
and
primarily
for
the
black
community,
the
African
african-american
community.
So
that's
when
we
decided
to
start
having
these
lunch-and-learn
events
that
started
to
taking
place
about
three
months
ago
what
you
have
before
you
is
actually
illustrations
from
a
graphic
illustrator
that
we
hired
her
name
is
Karen
and
it
talks
about
the
first
three
events
that
we
had
so
the
first
event
that
we
had
was
given
by
mr.
Marcel
Proctor
that
actually
talked
about
the
redlining.
W
The
justification
gentrification
has
taken
place
right
now.
In
Asheville
and
also
geo
districting,
so
that
was
done
in
June
in
July
we
had
dr.
Watters
who
talked
about
education
in
history,
primarily
around
the
african-american
community,
and
last
month
last
August
we
had
our
very
own
Commissioner
our
white
side
talk
about
our
wage,
a
wage
gap
in
our
economic
disparities.
W
The
beauty
about
these
events-
that's
been
taking
place
have
been
not
only
the
the
service
that
they
call
as
far
as
the
people
who
they're
servicing,
meaning
that
they're
not
just
serving
african-american
folks,
they
are
serving
a
variety
of
people
coming
from
all
walks
of
life,
different
backgrounds
who
all
have
a
common
interest
and
seeing
our
entire
community
grow.
With
that
being
said,
the
events
are
taking
place
at
even's
li,
which
is
one
of
the
historic
sites
for
the
holy
African
America
munity,
but
the
community
of
Asheville
as
a
whole.
W
We
do
know
that
that
is
the
the
historic
school
where
Stevens
Lee
high
school.
These
events
take
place
during
lunch
around
twelve
o'clock.
They
usually
end
around
one
thirty
two
o'clock,
and
with
that
you
know
again
the
average
number
of
folks
that
we're
having
at
these
events
averaged
around
150
people.
So
we
see
that
the
community
is
truly
engaged.
We
see
the
information
is
greatly
being
shared
and
we
also
see
a
vested
interest
in
the
community
and
moving
forward
on
the
topics
that
we
are
discussing
here.
W
This
laid
out
before
you
what
we
have
coming
up
this
month.
We
have
dr.
Sharon,
West
who's,
going
to
be
talking
about
health
and
health
disparities
amongst
the
african-american
community
as
well,
and
that's
going
to
be
on
September
the
27th,
so
I
encourage
everybody.
If
you
have
not
attended
one
of
these
events
to
please
attend
these
events,
see
what's
happening
right
here
in
Buncombe
County
in
the
community
and
see
how
we
can
as
a
whole
in
Hazzard
County
push
these
things
forward.
W
What
we
talk
about
as
an
engagement
team
is
being
able
to
engage
in
the
community
being
able
to
find
what
works
in
a
particular
community
and
being
able
to
galvanize
the
entire
community.
There
has
not
been
anything
better
with
it,
with
the
exception
of
the
work
that
we're
doing
as
a
team,
then
these
lunch-and-learn
events,
because
again
you
have
the
entire
community
coming
out,
supporting
these
events
but
being
able
to
get
together
and
say:
okay,
how
can
I
help?
W
How
can
I,
you
know,
use
my
platform
as
a
place
to
you
know
to
make
change
so
again,
I
am
elated
to
bring
this
to
your
attention.
If
you
do
not
know
anything
about
it
again,
I
would
love
to
see
you
on
the
27th
and
also
I'd
like
to
thank
the
team
that
I
have
here
with
me,
headed
by
Lisa
EB,
but
I
would
like
to
think
receipt
of
McDaniels
and
Rebecca
brothers
who's
a
part
of
the
community
engagement
team
as
well.
Any
questions
for
me
I
just.
S
Want
to
thank
you
for
this
work.
We
know
the
numbers
that
we
see
from
dr.
Mullins.
Work
of
the
state
of
black
Asheville
are
horrific,
and
but
we
also
know
we
were
in
a
community
that
cares
and
the
more
we
get
the
numbers
out
there.
The
more
we
talk
about
these
things,
the
more
we
see
a
community
that
cares
and
we
can
move
forward
and
make
changes,
and
thank
you
for
all
the
work.
Thank
you.
G
So
I
want
to
thank
you
for
the
way
that
this
is
presented.
The
interesting
thing
about
presenting
that
this
way
I
think
most
people
learn
a
lot
of
people
do
if
this
would
have
been
just
listed.
My
eyes
would
have
blurred
no
matter
what
the
subject
matter-
and
this
is
this
is
well
done.
I
keep
searching
out.
You
know
the
different.
G
W
Person
who
did
this
her
name
is
Karen
Hannah,
pretty
cool.
These
are
actually
life-sized,
so
we
had
shrunk
them
down
for
the
paper,
but
brothers
and
Lisa
EB,
with
a
brain
trust
behind
this
idea
to
really
bring
this
to
the
light.
So
they
get
all
the
credit
for
that.
But
yeah
you
know
I
think
again.
I
actually
saw
saw
you
at
one
of
our
events
that
particularly
when
Commissioner
Whiteside
was
there,
but
I
do
encourage
all
of
our
commissioners
and
our
chairman
to
attend
these
events.
You
really
will
see
what's
happening
in
the
community.
V
H
V
I
wanted
to
say,
I
had
the
chance
to
attend
an
August
when
Commissioner
Whitesides
presented,
and
it
was
a
really
stimulating
conversation,
but
the
energy
in
the
room
was
really
palpable
and
just
want
to
thank
you
all
for
being
out
front
and
helping
to
change
some
of
our
public
conversations
and
create
spaces
for
really
important
gatherings
like
this,
so
I'm
hoping
to
come
in
September
hope
to
see
others.
There
Keenan.
H
I'd
like
to
thank
you
and
Lisa
and
the
whole
team,
and
what
I
think
was
most
beneficial
to
me
in
this.
You
know
I've
attended
a
lot
of
these
in
the
past
and
let's
face
it,
they
were
nothing
but
pity
parties.
You
know
we
talked
about
how
bad
the
numbers
are
and
whatever,
but
with
this
it
was
positive
because
we
talked
about.
H
W
I
think
you're,
exactly
right
what's
been
happening
is
what
our
team
has
been
exactly.
What
you're
saying
we're?
Not
only
are
we
having
the
conversations
but
we're
getting
people
at
the
table
who
want
to
do
something
about
it?
Who
want
to
you
know,
bring
whatever
expertise
they
may
have
again.
To
kind
of
you
know,
be
a
solution
to
the
problems
that
we're
facing
so
I
think
these
are
really
so.
What
we're
going
to
be
doing,
I
think
the
last
one
that
we
plan
to
have
is
actually
this
September
as
dr.
W
X
The
two
being
green
point
grants
actually
follow
up
very
nicely
and
can
I
have
the
PowerPoint,
please
Cassie
on
the
work
that
Keenan
and
the
team
have
been
doing
with
the
historical
lunch
and
learns
because
the
tipping
point
grants
are
another
way
that
we
as
a
community
can
actually
do
something
about
what
we
see
in
our
community.
The
Lunch
and
Learn
series
came
out
of
Marcel
Procter
saying
you
can't
go
forward.
X
If
you
don't
know
your
history,
and
so
it
was
really
about
helping
the
youth,
especially
in
our
community
and
those
emerging
leaders,
to
really
understand
what
had
come
before
them
so
that
they
could
do
better
going
forward
with
the
work
that
we're
doing
in
our
community.
So
that
was
the
series
and
then
the
tipping
point
grants
and
that
does
not
look
right.
I,
don't
know
what
happened,
but
it
did
look
good.
X
So
the
tipping
point
grants
just
to
remind
you
guys
are
were
those
came
out
of
a
two-year
grant,
that
we
got
called
mobilizing
action
for
resilient
communities
and
we
were
given
$150,000
for
her
two-year
period
150,000
each
year
and
we
were
allowed
to
basically
design
whatever
wanted
and
so
part
of
what
happened.
After
a
lot
of
researches,
we
decided
to
go
out
in
the
community
with
these
very
small
grants
up
to
a
five
thousand
dollar
limit
and
say
to
people.
What
are
you
doing
right
now?
X
That's
that's
working
that
you're
excited
about,
and
can
we
help
give
a
little
lift
or
amplify
that
effort,
and
so
the
initial
tipping
grants
we
sent
out.
I
think
you
guys
have
heard
me
say
this
before,
but
we
had
over
80
applications
that
came
in
and
we
just
as
important
about
the
ones
that
were
funded,
we're
also
the
just
understanding
better
what
people
were
doing
in
our
community.
X
It
was
just
a
beautiful
map
of
efforts
in
our
community
and
so
we're
going
forward
again
in
this
next
fiscal
year
and
we're
opening
up
these
grants,
starting
tomorrow,
we'll
send
out
a
press
release.
We
wanted
to
make
sure
that
you
all
were
aware
of
it.
We've
streamlined
the
process.
We've
tried
to
make
it
easier
again
for
just
ordinary
citizens
across
this
county
and
every
nook
and
cranny
to
come
forward
with
ideas
they
might
have
about
how
they
can
build
more
resilient,
neighborhoods
and
they're.
X
Typically,
they're
purposely
meant
to
be
only
up
to
$5,000
so
that
we
keep
it
to
individuals,
and
these
are
people
who
have
come
together
around
something
that
really
matters
to
them:
that's
really
important
to
them
and
that
they're
been
able
to
galvanize
their
neighbors
and
when
they're
working
together,
and
so
those
will
go
out
again
tomorrow.
We
have.
X
We
have
money
in
the
purpose,
for
this
we're
going
to
go
out
and
hope
to
in
the
first
round
fund
10
to
12
grants,
and
that's
partially,
because
we
want
community
engagement
team
to
continue
working
with
those
individuals
who
are
funded
and
we
can
provide
support
as
they're
doing
that
work.
So
I'm
happy
to
answer
any
questions.
If
you
have
any.
X
We
hope
that
the
commissioners
will
get
the
word
out
to
your
constituents
as
well.
This
should
be
these
should
be
funded
throughout
the
county.
So
I
hope
that
you
know
you'll
look
around
your
community
and
see
if
there
are
people
or
individuals
that
you
think
might
benefit
from
these
grants
and
make
sure
that
they
apply
and
they're
welcome,
to
call
me
or
any
member
of
the
community
engagement
team.
X
A
Thanks
so
much
guys
appreciate
all
right.
The
next
item
on
our
agenda
is
a
consideration
of
a
budget
amendment
regarding
the
community
access
portal
and
there
we
have
a
district
attorney
and
sheriff
with
us
this
evening.
Gentlemen,
thank
you
for
being
with
us,
I
also
seed,
judge
Calvin
Hill,
with
this
judge
always
great
to
have
you
with
us
thanks
everyone
for
being
here
and.
Y
Evening,
commissioners,
good
to
be
here
with
you,
I
just
want
to
kind
of
lighten
the
room
a
little
bit
when
Jerry
said
slush
fund.
That's
actually,
the
reason
why
we're
in
here
tonight
is
because
there
is
a
budgetary
process
for
spending
inmate
commissary
funds,
which
means
every
dime
that
spent
has
to
run
through
the
county
commissioners,
and
they
have
to
approve
that
budget
amendment
so
that
money
gets
in
there.
So
we
can
spend
it.
Y
Basically,
when
you
look
at
in
my
commissary
funds,
there's
a
North
Carolina
General
statute,
162
33,
that
gives
sheriffs
the
ability
to
run
inmate
commissary
in
the
jail
you
go
on
a
little
further
and
you
find
in
North
Carolina
administrative
code.
14-J
zero,
eight
zero
one
two
where
it
directs
this
year.
If
that
they
must
have
a
commissary
to
make
those
items
available
for
snacks,
extra
food
items,
hygiene
items
and
things
for
the
inmates.
Y
Now
the
rule
of
thumb
about
spending
that
money
is,
it
needs
to
go
in
some
way,
shape
or
form
to
help
benefit
the
inmates
who
are
either
may
be
coming
into
custody
or
who
are
currently
in
custody.
So
if
you
look
at
some
of
that
over
the
past
couple
years
and
I'd
be
glad
to
provide
you
guys
with
a
detail,
inventory
I
think
the
county
gets.
That
would
be
glad
to
provide
it
for
each
of
the
commissioners.
What
you
have
things
is
like
ABC
cm
chaplains
Charter
Communications
for
their
TV
mattresses.
Y
Some
commissary
supplies,
correctional
behavioral
health,
steamer
for
detention,
kitchen
RH,
a
drug
court
and
drug
test.
A
lot
of
what
this
money
has
gone
for
is
to
fund
diversionary
courts
is
the
fun
things
so,
as
we
start
looking
to
inmate
population,
where
there's
the
opportunity
to
move
inmates
out,
put
them
into
version
area
courts,
but
there's
attachments
such
as
drug
testing
and
things
that
are
acquired,
such
as
in
drug
court,
that
we've
funded
those
things
to
keep
those
programs
viable
and
keep
them
moving
forward.
Y
So
tonight
is
not,
unlike
those
other
expenditures
that
we
come
forward,
except
maybe
some
of
the
expense
of
it.
Tonight's
expenditure
that
we're
talking
about
is
ninety
seven
thousand
dollars.
Now,
that
is
to
move
the
program
up
to
the
initiation
phase
to
buy
the
devices
and
we're
talking
about
iPad
devices
for
the
DA's
office
and
I.
Y
Will
let
Rodney
explain
a
little
bit
further
and
Todd
explain
further,
as
as
we
go
along
into
more
detail
about
what
all
that,
what
all
that
hopes
to
accomplish,
and
while
all
that
hopes
to
do
in
moving
information
that
will
help
us
manage
jail
population.
What
I
can
tell
you
is
the
nine
days
that
it's
been
up
and
running.
It
has
actually
impacted
53
inmates
in
the
jail
a
lot
of
times.
Y
We
have
to
wait
for
a
release,
order
to
come
down
from
from
the
minutes
from
court
that
day
to
come
down
through
the
clerk's
office
and
what's
happening
now,
is
that
information
is
moved
very
quickly
from
the
DA's
office
if
days
in
custody
are
met
and
they're
willing
to
let
those
folks
go
out
on
time
served
what
what
not
the
case
that
they
can
move
those.
So
it's
saving
us
days
in
custody
already
whether
it's
full-day
half-day
one
particular
incidence.
Y
We
had
a
inmate
who
actually
got
a
release
on
a
particular
charge
that
allowed
us
to
move
him
into
do-si
custody
which
saved
an
entire
weekend
where
we
would
have
held
on
to
that
individual
longer
before
being
able
to
move
them
out.
I'm
gonna,
let
the
DA
and
an
assistant
DA
speak
a
little
bit
more
in
detail
about
what
the
program
is
designed
to
do,
and
hopefully
what
we'll
be
able
to
get
from
the
program.
You
know
we're
scheduled
to
come
to
you
in
in
a
few
weeks
and
talk
about
jail
expansion.
Y
So
a
lot
of
our
thinking
and
a
lot
of
the
mind
around
this
particular
program
is:
what
can
we
do
to
avoid
the
immediacy
of
building
a
jail?
What
can
we
do
to
impact
those
jail
numbers
in
a
positive
way,
but
not
sacrifice
public
safety
and
so
far
this
looks
to
be
a
good
effort
and
moving
forward
now
the
plan
is
is
to
go
ahead
fund.
This
thing
get
it
up
and
running.
There
are
some
continuing
costs
in
connectivity
with
the
iPad
device.
Y
So
what
we
want
to
do
is
look
at
it
a
year
in
be
able
to
if
the
commissioners
are
so
inclined
to
bring
them
back
a
report,
so
they
can
look
and
see
what
kind
of
days
in
custody
and
what
kind
of
bang
for
the
buck
so
to
speak,
that
we're
getting
out
of
out
of
this
expenditure.
Do
you
do
the
commissioners
having
questions
in
particular
about
inmate
welfare?
Anything
specifically
that
I
can
answer
for
you
before
I
turn
it
over
specifically
about
this
program.
S
Y
Does
and
and
I
you
know,
I
welcome
the
opportunity
anytime
to
come
over
and
talk
with
the
commissioners
about
what
takes
place
in
our
Detention
Center.
We
have
been
ahead
of
the
curve
for
many
many
years
and
continue
to
be
and
want
to
manage
that
that
inmate
population
fairly
effectively
safely
and
actually
you
know
with
the
programming,
try
to
impact
the
lives
that
come
through
there
in
a
very
positive
way.
So
when
we
get
the
opportunity
to
change
trajectory
from
somebody
coming
through
the
detention
center,
we
get
the
opportunity
to
do
that.
Y
Several
of
you,
commissioners,
have
have
come
through
and
toured
the
facility
and
and
been
able
to
observe
some
of
the
programming
and
the
things
that
go
on
through
our
many
partners
like
Raj,
and
so
there's
absolutely
no
problem
coming
and
talking
about
what
we
do
now.
The
one
point
I
do
want
to
make
to
you.
Y
It
seems
like
a
fair
amount
of
money
and
it
absolutely
is
inmate
welfare
generates
a
significant
amount
of
money
that
we
are
always
looking
to
turn
in
to
positive
things
that
impact
the
inmates
of
the
situation
we
have
in
the
detention
center.
So
the
second
part
of
the
question,
as
far
as
you
know,
how
do
you
replace
those
funds?
Y
V
Y
Can
tell
you
right
now:
it's
$500,000
mm-hmm,
that's
setting
there,
so
it's
not
an
insignificant
amount
of
money.
So
when
you
look
at
ninety
seven
thousand
dollars
for
something
that
may
impact
us
and
in
days
saved
in
custody
for
folks
who
don't
who
do
not
present
a
public
safety
threat
with
the
valuation
of
course
going
forward,
I
think
you're
going
to
hear
about
a
lot
of
other
things
that
this
program
is
or
this.
This
particular
portal
will
do
as
far
as
information
to
the
public
and
I'll
save
that
for
the
DA.
Y
T
Z
Ladies
and
gentlemen,
I
want
to
express
you
know
it's
it's
great
to
be
on
the
consent
agenda,
but
it's
also
great
to
make
a
presentation,
so
I
appreciate
the
opportunity
to
come
forward
and
explain
what
we're
trying
to
do
and
the
sheriff
did
steal
some
of
my
thunder.
This
thing
has
been
active
for
for
nine
days,
nine
business
days
and
there's
my
PowerPoint,
and
we
have
dismissed
53
folks
who
are
ineligible
to
be
held
in
custody.
Z
Basically,
so
these
are
folks
that
we
agree
that
should
not
be
in
custody
and
we're
getting
them
out
we're
getting
them
out
faster
than
they've
ever
been
released
from
jail
through
a
tool
called
efiling.
It
exists
and
it's
not
it's
not
used.
It's
not
implemented.
So
I
have
a
rather
bare
bare
bones.
Powerpoint.
Here,
it's
not
particularly
flashy
when
I
was
thinking
about
an
analogy
for
this
I
thought
of
the
card
catalog
system
and
what
we
have
right
now
is
we
have
a
card
catalog
system
of
Justice,
we
file
paper.
Z
It
goes
in
shucks,
it
goes.
It
goes
from
one
part
of
the
courthouse,
the
clerk's
office
to
the
court
room.
It
all
gets
refiled,
it
gets
shuffled
back
around,
it
gets
over
to
the
jail
and
the
technology.
That's
that's
very
frequently
used
to
to
move
someone
in
custody
out
of
custody
is
a
ballpoint
pen
and
in
a
you
know,
of
a
court
docket
compared
with
a
jail
list
to
get
someone
out
of
custody.
Z
What
what
we
hope
to
do
here
is
is
move
to
that
that
that
period
when
we
had
when
we
used
to
have
libraries
with
card
catalogs
and
computers,
where
you
could
search
the
database
and
now,
as
you
know,
long
lived
the
card
catalog.
The
card
catalog
now
is
no
longer
manufactured.
It's
no
longer
a
part
of
our
raw
libraries,
because
you
know
the
digital
media
is
so
efficient.
Time
is
money
when
it
comes
to
folks
in
custody.
We
understand
that
we
discussed
this
numerous
numerous
times
with
the
sheriff's
department
and
his
budget
director.
Z
Z
July,
2nd,
the
Terri
Marcel
thing.
If
you
recall
there
are
panic
buttons
on
the
overpass
over
240
on
Haywood
Street
Bridge
and
mr.
Marcel
was
riding
his
bike
across
the
bridge
and
got
taken
into
custody.
There
has
been
a
community
discussion
about
hope,
the
criminalization
of
homelessness,
and-
and
this
is
something
that
this
is
again.
This
is
directly
in
focus
that
this
is
our
target
in
terms
of
what
we
have
immediately
been
able
to
make
a
difference
on.
Z
Z
Should
it
come
through
this
funding
vehicle
we'll
be
key
in
making
amends
to
what
happened
down
in
Raleigh
this
past
this
past
summer,
where
the
the
AG's
office
lost
dozens
of
positions,
and
now
we
have
absolutely
no
experience
filing
appellate
briefs
in
the
DA's
office.
We
don't
have
an
appellate
Bureau.
We
don't
have
an
appellate
attorney.
We
have
to
get
trained
up
on
that,
we're
very
likely
going
to
be
filing
appellate
briefs,
and
that
involves
transport
down
to
Raleigh
and
argument
down
there.
So
the.
Z
Increasingly
at
least
that's
my
vision,
that's
what
I
want
to
do
and
through
the
juvenile
misdemeanor
diversion
program,
a
veteran's
treatment,
Court
drug
treatment,
Family
Justice,
Center,
the
Child,
Advocacy,
Center,
sobriety,
treatment,
court
and
now
the
justice
resource,
Advisory,
Committee
I,
think
it
is
now
we
have.
You
know,
embraced
collaboration
with
these
various
County
components
and
very
excitedly.
N
Z
N
N
The
e-filing
statute
in
North
Carolina
is
15
a
101.1.
Nobody
that
we
know
of
is
using
it.
It's
been
in
existence
for
two
years.
At
least
it
started
with
the
effort
to
get
all
of
the
warrants.
The
arrest
warrants
electronic,
and
so
they
passed
a
law
making
an
electronic
repository
for
that.
They
then
passed
this
law.
That
said,
hey
what
applies
to
warrants
applies
to
any
document
that
gets
filed
in
a
court.
You
know
they
get
filed
in
court
if
you
meet
these
certain
qualifications.
N
So
what
we
did
was
we
design
the
forms
to
meet
those
qualifications
since
they
meet
the
qualifications,
they
then
count
as
an
electronic
document
and
then
when
it
counts,
as
an
electronic
document.
That
means
that
it
can
be
filed
electronically,
which
means
that
it's
effective
as
soon
as
it
is
transmitted
to
the
clerk
and
we
can
send
a
simultaneous
identical,
time-stamped
copy
to
the
jail
at
the
exact
same
time
and
it
is
filed.
N
Z
Other
areas,
and
so
going
back
to
the
slide
with
terry
mars,
l
late
in
the
afternoon,
he
was
taken
downtown
and
he
was
booked
and
channel
13
happened
to
be
you
know,
on
that
exit
ramp
or
on
ramp
filmed
an
incident
where
APD,
you
know,
perhaps
use
more
force
than
was
necessary,
arguably
used
more
force
than
was
necessary,
took
him
into
custody,
brought
him
back
downtown.
That
was
televised
and
I
I
think
before
the
close
of
business.
The
next
day
there
was
a
GoFundMe
campaign
at
minimum.
There
were
folks
that
were
concerned
about
mr.
Z
Marcelle,
who
had
raised
funds
to
bond
him
out,
but
if
we
had
received
word
that
the
only
reason
why
mr.
Marcelle
was
was
arrested
was
to
remove
him
from
the
bridge
because
they
thought
that
that
device
on
the
side
of
the
bridge
was
a
potential
explosive
device
and
they
were
concerned
about
his
safety.
With
that
knowledge,
we
could
have
filed
a
dismissal
remotely,
it
would
have
gone
to
the
jail.
Mr.
marzen
would
have
been
out
from
what
I
understand
now.
There's
there's
a
potential
civil
litigation
and
other
things
that
that
may
impact
City.
Z
The
wheels
of
justice
grind
slowly.
We
want
to
speed
them
up,
so
the
e
dismissal
program
will
do
a
lot
to
address
that
gap
in
time
between
the
close
of
business.
At
the
end
of
the
day
in
the
beginning
of
business,
the
next
day
or
Friday
at
5
o'clock
in
Monday
morning,
we've
dismissed
53
folks,
who
are
generally
I,
mean
they're.
Z
Z
N
N
Basically,
we
use
a
submission
form
on
these
devices
to
enter
the
information,
and
then
it
creates
this
document
and
time
stamp
set
and
then
attaches
it
to
an
email
and
then
emails
it
to
the
clerk
and
wherever
else
we
want
to
it,
also
emails
it
anywhere.
We
want
to
in
our
office,
which
helps
us
automate.
A
ton
of
things
like
when
attorneys
request
that
someone
who
is
in
custody
like
Alan,
HR,
I,
felony
plea
this,
allows
us
to
automate
that
and
set
up
a
process
where
they
can
use
a
form.
Z
K
R
Z
I'm,
sorry,
but
the
II
dismissal
thing
is
the
first
step,
and
then
we
really
want
to
drill
down
on
the
felony.
Please-
and
you
know,
this
is
just
a
start.
We've
only
been
doing
this
for
nine
days
and
we
hope
to
have
you
know
many
more
results
to
talk
about
in
the
future.
Oh
yeah,
the
cost
sheet.
These
numbers
come
from
the
sheriff's
budget
budget,
director
Sheri
powers,
total
cost
for
housing.
Z
An
inmate
for
one
day
is
up,
is
a
hundred
eleven
dollars,
we're
conservatively
estimating
that
we're
saving
at
least
a
half
day
for
these
53
folks
that
we've
dismissed
on
minor
misdemeanor
charges
that
they're
not
eligible
to
do
custody
time
on.
We
are
estimating
that
we've
already
saved
the
county
per
this
metric,
two
thousand
nine
hundred
forty-one
dollars
and
change
and
going
forward.
Z
If,
if
we
continue
to
produce
at
this
level
about
ten
months,
the
project
would
be
effectively
paid
for
using
those
metrics
and
long-run
we
want
we
want
to
do
I
mean
this
is
this
is
going
to
be
it's
a
community
access
portal,
all
those
all
those
points
of
collaboration
that
we
have.
You
know
Family
Justice
Center,
we
have
victims,
we
interact
with
victims,
we
have
to.
We
have
essentially
two
phones
at
the
front
desk.
That's
now
right
now
we
want
to.
Z
Paperless
documents
expediting
discovery
and
ultimately
I
know
the
sheriff
is,
is
supportive
and
excited
about
this.
We
want
to
replace
the
paper
subpoena
process
if
that's
at
all
possible,
so
there's
a
lot
that
we
hope
we
can
do
with
this
in
replacing
the
paper
subpoena
process,
we'll
keep
law
enforcement
doing
essentially
what
they're
charged
to
do
rather
than
serving
paper.
S
N
It's
just
the
way
that
the
information
is
processed
right
now,
there's
a
misdemeanor
in
custody
calendar
and
that's
what
it's
called
and
they
go
over
there
early
in
the
morning
in
like
seven
o'clock
they
go
through
and
they
identified
these
minor
misdemeanors
and
they
make
a
calendar
and
what
normally
happens
before
this
started
is
that
calendar
would
go
into
court?
The
people
would
be
the
the
inmates
would
be
brought
to
court.
N
Z
Y
T
Y
It
depends
on
so
here's
thing,
commissioner
fryer,
if
you've
got
those
hard
cost
of
the
same,
whether
your
jail
is
full
or
high
for
so
those
are
things.
If
you
look-
and
you
say,
you're
losing
that
kind
of
money,
not
really
so
when
we're
projecting
that
money
out
and
we're
getting
a
dollar
figure
for
the
for
the
federal
government
which
Michael
Berg
county
somewhere
around
$200,
now
they
just
renegotiated
their
contract.
I
believe
that's
correct!
Is
it
not
Cherie
I
think
they
just
read
negotiated
for
somewhere
in
the
ballpark
of
about
$200?
Y
T
It
basically,
you
know
we
budget
each
year
what
we
think
the
jail's
going
around.
You
got
X
amount
of
people
in
the
jail,
not
people,
but
you
have
X
amount
of
help
already
in
the
jail
or
so
were
there's
somebody
in
in
in
the
jail
or
not
it's
costing
you
X
amount
of
dollars
per
day.
That's
correct,
so
that
that's
that's
the
way.
I
can
understand
it
better
than
right.
S
Think
I've
made
it
clear
in
the
past
I'm
all
about
diversion
and
not
a
new
jail.
So
I
appreciate
any
effort
and
to
me
it's
not
about
the
cost,
if
somebody's
in
the
jail
that
doesn't
need
to
be
there,
and
this
is
a
way
to
expedite
that
and
that's
what
we
need
to
be
doing
and
again,
even
even
if
I
didn't
think.
This
was
a
good
idea
by
statute.
You
have
the
right
to
do
this.
V
This
is
a
unique
opportunity
for
us
to
have
a
more
robust
conversation
about
these
and
as
we're
thinking
but
short
term
and
longer
term
questions.
I
guess.
My
question
is:
if
someone
doesn't
need
to
be
in
the
jail,
why
are
they
there
in
the
first
place
and
and
what
what
fix
might
exist
to
keep
folks
from
getting
to
the
jail
in
the
first
place?.
Y
There's
a
lot
of
things
that
can
contribute
to
that.
Commissioner,
one
of
the
things
that
we
look
at
I
know
that
the
District
Attorney's
Office
is
looking
at
our
low
bonds.
They
are
so
glow
for
much
minor
thing
for
a
very
minor
thing,
but
the
bail
bondsman
won't
touch
him
and
the
person
doesn't
have
the
ability
to
have
the
cash
to
bail
out.
So
that's
one
of
the
things
that
we're
talking
about.
Sometimes
they
don't.
Y
You
know
I
think
the
number
is
still
about
41
percent
of
the
folks
who
passed
through
our
detention
center
are
on
some
sort
of
psychotropic
medication.
So
you
have
a
lot
of
mental
health
issues
with
the
individuals
going
through
and
then,
if
you
attach
that
dual
diagnosis
of
substance
abuse
there,
you
get
a
lot
of
folks
in
that
detention
population
that
can't
navigate
themselves
out,
even
though
they're
they're
on
very
minor
charges.
Now
that's
only
a
percentage
of
what's.
Y
What's
there,
you've
got
another
larger
percentage,
who
has
some
very
significant
charges,
so
it
is
a
public
safety
interest
to
keep
them
confined
until
they
can
get
their
court
date.
But
as
we
move
through
this
thing,
we're
really
trying
to
separate
the
two
you're
familiar
with
doctor
Creighton,
he's
doing
a
lot
of
work
to
try
to
help
us
look
and
see
what
we
can
do
to
to
really
evaluate
those
beds
basis.
Who
needs
to
be
there
by
seriousness
of
charge
and
what
we
can
do
to
free
those
up
with
those
folks.
N
Legislature
change
the
law
a
couple
of
years
ago,
so
that
if
you
are
a
level
one
or
two
which,
unless
you're
in
that
category,
has
the
most
prior
convictions
you
can
have
if
you're
sort
of
that
the
judge
cannot
give
you
an
active
sentence
by
law
if
you
walked
into
court
and
pled
guilty.
So
so
that's
what's
caused
us
to
try
to
mobilize
to
try
to
take
care
of
these
things
because
they
still
are
misdemeanors.
N
G
G
You
know
judges
that
I'm
confident
that
in
their
ability
to
hold
folks
accountable
in
Buncombe,
County,
I'm
very
grateful
for
that
and
there's
a
balance
of
accountability
and
efficiency
and
I.
Think
that
didn't
know
is
is:
are
all
these
people
appearing
before
the
before
a
judge
or
not,
or
the
balance
of
them
are
not
appearing
before
the
judge
or
have.
N
I
I
I,
don't
think
understood
or
if
you
answered
Commissioner
Whitesides
question
111
dollars
a
day.
Okay
and
with
the
half
day
is
$55
correct,
but
then
Commissioner
fryer
mentioned
something
there.
There
is
so
much
cost
in
that
I
know
that
it
averages
out
in
ten
months
or
it
should
be
a
pay
back
if
the
next
eight
months
or
like
the
last
nine
days
or
whatever,
that's
and
I
think
that's
what's
got
me
concerned.
I'm.
Y
Not
sure
if
you're
talking
about
the
fixed
cost,
when
that,
when
the
DA
calculated
those
I'll
be
honest
with
you,
I
think
money
savings
is
really
because
of
that
discrepancy
and
how
you
account
for
what
is
a
day
in
custody.
What
does
that
cost
I
think
right
now,
the
best
way
to
look
at
it
is
is
that's
gel
gel
space,
that's
confinement
space
that
we
know
is
the
most
expensive
space
to
build
in
County
construction.
Y
Those
are
the
kind
of
things
that
add
up
to
when
you're
going
to
build
a
new
jail
when
you're
going
to
have
to
when
you
have
to
start
giving
up
that
federal
inmate
revenue,
because
your
spaces
are
filled
with
pretrial
folks
awaiting
trial
here
in
Buncombe,
County,
so
I
think
that's
a
that's
a
better
way
to
configure
it
and
I
said
hard
to
cost.
I
think
the
best
way
to
look
at
it
is
fixed
cost.
M
I
H
A
AA
I'm
leanne.melton
I'm,
the
chief
public
defender
for
Buncombe
County.
Thank
you
for
the
opportunity
to
speak.
I
want
to
say
that
I
am
all
for
dismissals
and
it
seems
like
a
lot
of
dismissals,
are
happening
electronically
over
the
last
nine
days
without
any
additional
equipment,
and
that
is
happening
without
ninety
seven
thousand
dollars
for
iPads
for
the
District
Attorney's
Office
I,
want
to
say,
I,
commend
and
applaud
the
District
Attorney's
Office
for
the
website
that
they
have
created
it
is.
AA
There
are
some
very
beneficial
aspects
to
that
website
that
have
been
creating
I
want
to
give
them
a
shout-out
for
that.
But
in
this
situation,
I
would
ask
the
the
Commission
to
consider
whether
or
not
the
inmate
commissary
Welfare
Fund
is
where
this
money
or
this
funding
should
come
from.
Maybe
if
the
County
Commission
thinks
it's
appropriate
should
come
from
the
general
fund,
but
I
would
ask
the
the
Commission
to
look
what
would
not
be
funded
from
the
inmate
commissary
fund.
AA
If
this
ninety
seven
thousand
dollars
is
used
in
this
way
and
I,
don't
know
specifically
what
wouldn't
be
funded,
but
I
know
that
in
Durham
County
they
used
the
inmate
Welfare
Fund,
which
the
inmate
Welfare
Fund
in
Durham,
County
I,
believe
only
comes
from
the
commissary.
It
doesn't
come
from
the
phone
calls
I
think
we
do
that
differently.
Here
in
Buncombe
County,
they
fund
a
GED
program
in
their
Jail
for
16
and
24
year-olds.
AA
AA
Other
things
that
sheriff
Duncan
mentioned
that
are
being
funded
by
the
inmate
Welfare
Fund
includes
mattresses,
a
minister
from
the
ABC
cm
shelter.
Drug
court
receives
funding
from
the
inmate
Welfare
Fund
I
would
ask
the
Commission
to
consider
also
other
things
that
could
reduce
the
inmate
jail
population
significantly
by
investing
more
money
from
the
inmate
Welfare
Fund
and
continuous
alcohol
monitoring
funding
for
the
indigent
individuals
who
are
currently
in
the
Balkan
County
Jail.
Who
could
not
afford
to
do
the
continuous
alcohol
monitoring
as
a
condition
of
their
bond
leasing,
more
electronic
monitors
for
individuals.
AA
Some
more
individuals
who
are
staying
in
custody
for
very
lengthy
periods
of
time
can
be
released
from
custody.
Again,
don't
get
me
wrong.
I
am
all
for
dismissals.
They
are
happening
without
this
additional
ninety
seven
thousand
dollars
in
funding
in
this
equipment.
So
I
would
ask
the
Commission
to
consider
that
and
ask
the
Commission
to
look
into
the
utility
of
using
this
funding
for
for
this
equipment
before
you
make
a
decision
in
this
matter.
AA
AB
I
didn't
really
come
here
to
argue
about
whether
this
is
an
appropriate
use
of
this
money
or
not
and
sheriff
Duncan
and
mr.
hasty
and
mr.
Williams
and
then
lastly,
miss
Milton
have
all
made
the
point
that
I
came
to
make
as
to
why
I
did
not
join
in
requesting
that
you
pay
for
computers
for
the
for
the
judges
and
that
point
being,
according
to
all
of
their
information.
These
53
people
that
have
been
released
have
been
released
under
our
current
conditions.
I
don't
have
a
computer.
The
clerk's
did
not
join
in
this.
AB
They
don't
have
computers
and
these
53
people
that
we're
talking
about
have
been
released
under
our
current
situation.
So
I'm
not
here
to
argue
about
whether
this
is
an
appropriate
relief.
My
practice,
since
I
became
the
chief
district
court
judge,
has
been
to
come
to
the
commissioners
and
make
requests
for
money
or
for
materials
when
I
know
and
believe
that
they
are
going
to
move
our
court
system
forward
substantially
and
it's
something
that
I
need
so
I
didn't
join
in
this
request,
because
I
don't
see
where
I
need.
AC
Good
evening
I'm
Kathy
LeMond
I
am
a
private,
an
attorney
in
private
practice.
I
do
only
indigent
appointed
work
by
choice.
That's
what
I
came
to
do.
I
went
to
law
school
really
late
in
life.
I
have
only
been
practicing
a
few
years,
but
I
love.
Doing
indigent
defense.
I
want
to
say
that
I
am
a
big
fan
of
our
Sheriff
I
deal
with
the
jail
a
lot
all
the
time,
I
want
to
say,
I'm
a
big
fan
of
our
DA
mr.
AC
AC
hasty,
is
it's
not
just
those
things
that
I
mean
I,
see
beyond
that
ways
that
this
could
really
help
our
criminal
justice
system
become
more
just
and
I
won't
even
go
there
for
now,
but
I
would
like
to
echo
MS
Melton's
concerns
about
where
it's
coming
from
our
I
have
so
many
indigent
clients
who
sit
in
this
jail
with
nothing.
They
don't
have
any
money
for
extra
food
and
they
are
hungry.
Every
single
one
of
them
says
if
they
can't
buy
extra
food
from
the
commissary
they're
hungry.
AC
If
I
they,
we
have
the
great
RHA
people.
That's
the
you
know
what
it
stands
for.
Our
RHA
people
are
wonderful
and
we
need
more
services.
I've
got
people
right
now,
waiting
for
rij
to
come
and
deal
with
them
because
they
can't
and
I'm
getting
ia
text
people
and
say:
couldn't
you
come
up
with
a
plan
for
this
person?
Or
can
you
go
see
this
person
and
they
say
we
can't
do
any
more
emergency
stuff.
We've
just
been
told.
We
can't
do
any
more
emergency
evaluations,
and-
and
so
we
need
that's.
AC
What
we
need
is
actual
services
that
provide
for
either
mental
health
substance
abuse.
Certainly
I,
don't
need
them
to
be
coddled,
but
we
do
need
to
remember
that
some
significant
number
of
the
people
who
are
in
custody
are
pretrial.
They
haven't
been
convicted
of
anything
they're,
not
being
punished,
yet
it's
not
time
to
punish
them
yet,
okay
and
so
for
those
people
to
yet.
We
want
them
to
get
on
their
feet
to
make
better
choices,
to
not
end
up
in
this
situation,
even
with
the
presumption
that
this
is
what
they
did.
AC
You
know
that
they
did
what
they're
charged
with
we
need
to
give
them
as
many
opportunities
as
possible
to
take
those
steps
forward.
So
I'm
just
going
to
echo
the
concerns
that
were
expressed
about
using
this
is
a
fifth
of
the
budget.
If
I
mean
ninety
seven
thousand
out
of
five
hundred
thousand
that's
about
a
fifth
of
the
budget,
I
mean
a
fifth
of
the
the
pool
of
money.
That's
a
big
chunk
that
could
you
know
that
could
fund
another
staff
person
they
could
do
anyway,
I'll
leave
it
there.
A
V
Yeah
I
just
like
to
take
a
moment
to
comment
on
this
and
I
also
before
doing
that,
I'd
like
to
get
some
guidance.
So
we
have
total
clarity
about
what
we're
being
asked
to
vote
on
here
and
and
a
clear
understanding
of
whether
we're
being
asked
to
weigh
in
as
a
commission
on
the
merits
of
the
proposal.
And
then
after
that,
I'd
like
to
once
I.
Have
that
information
I'd
like
to
comment.
Thanks
Thank,
You,.
AD
Commissioner,
what's
before
you
is
a
budget
amendment
clearly
how
those
funds
were
expended
is
the
decision
of
the
sheriff
that
he
technically
can't
move
that
money
without
a
budget
amendment.
So
what's
before
you
as
a
budget
amendment
I
would
like
to
just
make
two
other
points.
Is
we
invest
significantly
in
supportive
services
in
the
jail
and
diversion
programs
for
our
community
in
this
board,
made
a
decision
in
February
to
invest
in
other
five
hundred
and
fifty
thousand
dollars,
which
will
come
online
in
October?
AD
So
we
are
addressing
many
of
the
service
needs
that
came
up
tonight.
Well,
also
tell
you
that
the
sheriff
mentioned
he's
coming
to
the
back
to
the
Commission
to
talk
about
jail,
space
needs,
and
it's
a
part
of
that
he's
working
with
dr.
Lee,
Creighton
and
Rachel
Nygaard
to
bring
forward
other
proposals
about
programs
and
services
that
could
help
us
further
diversion
efforts.
So
of
the
things
that
Miss
Mountain
mentioned
in
this
home
out,
we'd
really
want
to
hear
about
those
and
see.
How
can
we
include
those
in
those
funding
proposals?
Thank.
V
You
for
that
clarification,
I,
want
to
be
really
precise
because
in
how
I
phrased
this,
because
there's
a
lot
of
really
tremendous
work
happening
at
the
jail
I
had
the
opportunity
to
tour.
It.
There's
a
lot
of
to
be
applauded
about
the
DA
offices,
efforts
to
modernize
and
bring
the
the
technology
they're
using
into
the
21st
century
and
create
new
efficiencies
in
how
our
systems
work
and
I
understand
the
needle
we're
threading
on
the
manner
in
which
this
has
come
before
us.
I
recognize
the
authority
of
the
sheriff
to
ultimately
make
the
decision
on
this.
V
Folks
who
are
in
the
jail
in
Bergen
County
are
also
our
constituents
and
they
often
don't
have
a
voice,
and
it
seems
to
me
that,
in
the
way
our
system
works,
this
fund
is
one
way
to
carve
out
resources
dedicated
in
very
clear
direct
ways
towards
their
immediate
needs
and
well-being.
So
I,
for
instance,
would
be
very
open
to
considering
other
avenues
for
funding.
V
A
proposal
like
this
I
just
am
struggling
to
connect
those
dots
and,
on
the
basis
of
that,
would
like
to
request
that,
rather
than
voting
on
this
tonight,
we
take
some
more
time.
So,
look
at
this
as
a
commission
and
look
at
whether
there
might
be
some
other
opportunities.
I
don't
know
what
the
will
of
the
board
is
on
that,
but
and
that's
based
on
what
I
know
tonight.
That
would
be
my
that
would
be
where
I'd
land.
T
An
only
thing
I
have
to
say
is:
this:
is
a
budget
amendment
and
I've
asked
the
question
a
number
of
times?
How
do
we
get
stuck
with
this,
because
when
the
sheriff
has
the
money
and
that's
in
his
prerogative,
I
understand,
but
then,
when
the
sheriff
wants
officers,
he
comes
before
us
and
we
have
to
approve
it,
but
then
the
county
manager,
which
beforehand
could
go
ahead
and
furnish
vehicles
to
the
sheriff's
department
without
coming
back
before
us.
T
So
I
look
at
this
money
as
basically
something
the
sheriff
has
brought
brought
up
me
voting
for
what
he's
going
to
do
with
it.
I
can't
do
that,
but
I
can
probably
vote
that
he
has
a
discretion
to
do
with
the
money
but
I'm
like
them,
I'd
like
to
see
if
or
some
way
that
we
can
see
where
this
goes
see.
Where
did
it
come
from?
T
Who
put
the
program
together?
You
know,
that's
I
mean
I,
don't
want
to
get
into
that,
but
here
we
did.
We
have
something
now
that
there's
a
program
there,
but
had
it.
How
did
this
portal
come
about?
Is
it
a
state
portal
that
everybody
ties
to,
or
you
know
that
makes
something
work
I
don't
know,
but
the
fact
is
is
I'm
with
jasmine
and
Robert.
I
would
like
to
just
see
this
shift
until
we
can
see
exactly
where
it
goes.
I
mean
I
can't
tell
then
Duncan
what
to
do
with
this
money.
S
A
T
A
A
Well,
but
if
you're
not
gonna,
do
that,
let's
don't
pretend
there's
some
other
money
laying
under
the
couch
somewhere
if
we're
not
gonna
fund
it
through
this,
it's
probably
gonna
come
out
of
the
general
fund
right.
So,
let's
just
let's!
This
is
on
the
agenda
tonight.
So,
let's
figure
out.
If
we
think
it's
a
good
idea,
let's
support
it.
If
this
isn't
the
right
way
to
fund
it,
let's
discuss
realistically
what
the
alternatives
are
would
be
my
suggestion,
I
think
it's
I
think
it's
a
I'm
persuaded
on
the
merits
of
it
and
I.
A
Think
that
there's
a
I
think
there's
a
lot
of
benefits
to
the
by
by
getting
folks
who
don't
need
to
be
there
out
sooner
I.
Think
that
creates
a
much
better
environment
for
the
folks
who
are
there
so
I
think
there's
a
real
public,
good
I
think
there's
a
good
rationale
for
using
these
funds
for
this
purpose,
in
my
opinion,
so
I'm
supportive
of
the
proposal.
But
if
there's
not
support
for
using
these
funds,
let's
talk
about
other
ways
to
do
it.
If
people
would
prefer
an
alternative
and.
S
I
really
don't
mean
to
sound
like
a
broken
record,
but
this
is
a
budget
amendment.
What
makes
me
gratified
is
we've
been
talking
about
jail
diversion
for
a
long
time
now
and
I
hear
seven
people
really
excited
about
exploring
other
ways
in
the
future.
To
you
know
the
alcohol
monitoring
all
sorts
of
things
to
me.
Nobody
should
be
in
jail
just
because
they
can't
afford
that
device
to
monitor
their
alcohol.
That's
a
separate
subject,
but,
what's
before
us
is
a
budget
amendment,
we
don't
have
control
over
what
the
sheriff
does
with
his
money.
T
We're
voting
on
Van
we're
just
voting
on
the
money
being
moved
as
far
as
I'm
concerned.
It's
their
money.
What
they
do
with
it.
I'm
just
going
to
vote
on
I
will
vote
for
the
money
being
moved,
but
that's
that's
the
part
that
I
just
wanted
to
lay
it
is
we're
going
to
vote
on
what
you
call
it
so
I'll
just
leave
it.
Laying
there.
G
G
Those
who
spoke
so
well.
You
know
has
just
been
very,
very
helpful
to
me,
but
this
will
be
measure.
This
is
a
budget
amendment
that
was
then
considered.
You
know
the
sheriff
has
authority
to
do.
The
purpose
of
moving
it
forward
was
to
have
this
discussion
so
that
we
could
hear
whatever
what
everybody
thought
authority
is
still
there
to
do
that
if
we
want
to
do
anything
different
than
we
can
certainly
do
that.
You
know
at
a
later
at
a
later
time,
but
I
would
challenge
everybody.
G
That's
passionately
been
on
both
sides
that
you
know
we
hold.
They
hold
us
accountable.
We
hold
them
accountable
to
measure
this.
You
know
it's
a
small
amount,
but
we
it's
in
general
as
far
as
the
size
of
the
budget
that
we
we
do,
that.
The
reason
I
made
the
motion
for
it
just
not
to
be
on
one
side
or
the
other.
The
discussion
is
that
it
is
a
budget
amendment
I
was
in
that
we
move
forward
and
that's
why
and.
H
You
know
I
agree
with
telling
them
what
several
letters
said.
I
think
it
is
a
budget
amendment
and
it's
within
the
authority
of
the
sheriff
to
recommend
and
to
use
those
funds.
But
my
question
is
what
I
learned
from
this
and
I
would
just
like
to
throw
it
out.
Is
information
from
me?
Is
that's
a
lot
of
money
to
make
off
about
prisoners
and
when
I
hear
that
they
need
additional
food
when
I'm
feeding
them
I
mean
you
know
I've.
H
AE
M
AE
AE
Rule
12
a
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
we
know
what
we're
doing
here.
So
it
says
after
the
budget
ordinance
has
been
adopted,
all
requests
for
new
or
additional
funding
or
members.
Previous
budget
ordinances
must
be
submitted
to
and
reviewed
by,
the
county
manager
and
acted
upon
in
the
discretion
of
the
county
manager,
and
then
it
said
that
you
know
that
the
county
manager,
any
requests
or
amendment
may
be
added
to
the
agenda
at
the
county
managers.
AF
Y
Answer
Commissioner
White's
questions
because
I,
don't
I,
don't
want
anybody
going
away
tonight,
feeling
that
we're
not
feeding
inmates
or
we're
not
engaging
other
programs
inmates
by
state
law
required
to
get
three
meals
a
day.
Two
of
those
have
to
be
hot
I
can
provide
you
with
a
caloric
intake
because
it's
got
to
meet
a
certain
caloric
intake
per
day.
Y
A
lot
of
people
talk
about
that
game
weight
when
they're
in
the
jail
and
some
people-
and
you
know
some
people's
diets
are
way
different
than
others,
but
it
absolutely
meets
state
standards
about
what's
what's
fed
in
the
jail
I
also
wanted
to
put
out
there.
We
talked
about
electronic
monitoring.
Part
of
what
this
inmate
money
has
gone
for
in
the
past
is
to
provide
those
monitors.
We
do
fund
a
fair
amount
of
that
and
that
is
based
on
and
I,
think
I
think
manager.
Y
Stone
can
probably
tell
you
on
the
amount
of
monitors
that
are
used.
We
don't
over
fund
them.
When
we
looked
at
at
a
particular
point
in
time
we
were
only
using
X
amount
of
and
I'm
talking
about
monitoring.
Bracelets,
the
alcohol
monitoring
is
a
different
thing,
but
what
I
will
tell
you
is
there's
not
been
a
request.
That's
come
before
me
for
inmate
welfare
that
falls
into
that
purview
of
what
you
can
spend
that
money
for
that
I've
not
granted.
Quite
frankly,
and
we've
still
got
a
fair
amount
of
money
in
that
fund.
A
We
do
motion
in
a
second
I
think
this
is
a
very
good
discussion
so,
but
you
know,
I
can
just
go
back
to
because
it
sounds
like
what
I'm
hearing
is.
Everyone
thinks
there's
a
lot
of
merits
to
this
there's
questions
about.
Is
this
right
revenue
source?
Realistically?
What
would
there
be
besides
the
general
fund
to
that?
Is
there?
Is
there
anything?
Are
there
any
other
ideas
that
are
I'd.
V
Like
to
just
drill
down
a
little
bit,
it's
fantastic
news
that
there's
been
53
dismissals
in
the
last
nine
days.
That's
happening
without
this
project
being
implemented,
and
so
I
just
like
to
drill
down
and
understand
that
a
little
more
clearly,
if
possible,
in
terms
of,
if
that
level
of
impacts
happening.
N
There's
a
I'll
try
to
be
really
brief.
I
was
in
the
district
attorney's
office
under
the
prior
administration
and
I
sort
of
supervised
the
district
courts,
and
things
like
that
and
I
went
into
private
practice
and
at
the
time
I
went
into
private
practice.
I
had
a
list
of
like
ten
things
that
we
were
doing
that
were
just
really
dumb
to
do
it.
That
way,
I
mean
honestly,
like
involving
paper
or
real-time
transmission
subpoenas
that
we
deliver
in
stacks
to
police
departments
that
don't
even
get
them
to
the
officers
when
I
went
into
private
practice.
N
From
that
side,
I
saw
added
another
ten
things
to
my
list,
just
ways
that
we're
just
that
we're
doing
things
that
are
just
don't
make
any
sense
and
we're
only
doing
it
because
we've
done
it
that
way
for
this
long,
and
so
that's
what
this
originated
in
was
well
I.
Actually,
we
actually
started
out
spending
our
own
money.
N
I
mean
you
know
so
that
we
could
start
developing
this,
and
this
was
a
year
ago
and
there
have
been
multiple
phases
where
it
just
sort
of
like
it's
just
sort
of
developed
into
something
that
would
take
care
of
18
out
of
those
20
problems
on
my
list,
and
one
of
them
certainly
is
the
jail
diversion
part,
but
the
other
part
is
it
ties
into
the
Family
Justice
Center.
It
has
a
special
page
for
domestic
violence
victims.
It
has
a
special
page
for
sexual
offense
violence
victims.
Z
A
N
N
Commission
I
designed
them
to
be
processed
on
these
devices
and
I
can
process
them.
Just
like
that,
I
was
in
a
meeting
with
law
enforcement
about
a
homicide
case
and
I
continued
10,
Administrative
Court
cases.
I
mean
it's
literally
that
easy
with
these
devices.
We
can
also
do
it
outside
the
courthouse.
We
can
do
it
at
home.
We
can
do
it
standing
in
administrative
court
line
beside
somebody
with
the
calendar
and
the
CJ
leaves
to
look
up
the
record
and
the
form
to
do
the
reset
or
the
dismissal.
N
N
AF
A
S
S
H
S
A
A
A
A
Any
discussion
all
in
favor
of
Keenan
Lake
all
opposed
all
right.
Thank
you.
A
couple
of
announcements
on
September
19th
at
5:00
p.m.
we'll
have
the
regular
meeting
of
the
Board
of
Commissioners
here
in
room
three
to
six,
a
tutor
in
College
Street
in
downtown
Asheville
on
September
26th
12:30.
There
will
be
a
Commission
workshop
to
discuss
pre-k
and
early
childhood
education
in
the
first
floor
conference,
room
at
200,
College,
Street,.
A
We
have
a
closed
session
to
discuss
two
legal
items
under
general
statute.
One
four,
three,
three
one,
eight
eleven,
a
three
since
Kathy
Hughes
is
not
here
this
evening.
The
minutes
of
the
closed
session
will
be
reported
by
our
county
manager,
Mandy
stone.
We
need
a
motion
to
go
into
closed
session.