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Description
Briefing of the Buncombe County Board of Commissioners on November 15, 2022. The briefing is a chance for Commissioners to review agenda items before the meeting. No motions will take place during the briefing.
A
It's
called
The
Briefing
meeting
to
order
thanks
everyone
for
being
with
us
today,
the
items
we
have
on
our
agenda
for
the
briefing
meeting,
an
update
on
code,
purple,
Bond,
preparation
and
criteria,
affordable
housing
policy
and
criteria.
B
A
C
C
Thank
you
so
much
hi,
so
I'm
here
to
give
you
a
quick
update
about
code
purple
and
happy
to
answer
any
questions
that
may
come
up,
so
we
did
this
year.
I
was
excited
to
share
that
we
did
do
an
advanced
planning
session.
We
started
in
August
of
this
year
meeting
with
Community
Partners
and
key
stakeholders
to
develop
a
plan
for
code
purple.
C
After
a
couple
of
different
meetings,
this
is
the
plan
that
was
established.
Abccm
has
identified
two
locations
for
code
purple
their
veterans,
restoration
quarters,
which
will
be
able
to
support
50
single
men
as
well
as
transformation
Village,
which
is
going
to
support
women,
single
women
and
women
with
children,
and
then
they
also
will
have
Hotel
space
available
for
five
families
as
needed.
C
There's
also
a
development
of
a
winter
shelter
this
year
that
has
ongoing
24
7
emergency
shelter.
So
it's
not
just
based
on
the
cold
nights,
as
code
purple
has
been
based
on
and
those
two
locations
are
abccm
that
started
in
November
at
Costello
house,
single
men
that
are
enrolled
in
their
program
and
that
will
house
30
individuals
and
it's
important
to
note
that
individuals
cannot
show
up
at
Costello
house
for
Access
entry.
C
I
think,
with
the
neighborhood
develop
a
plan
to
have
entry
in
at
the
investor,
veteran
restoration
quarters
and
then
be
able
to
transport
individuals
to
Costello
house
and
then
there's
also
the
Asheville
ecumenical
winter
shelter.
That's
going
to
start
in
December
and
that
are
that's
four
churches
right
now.
That's
Trinity,
Grace,
Episcopal,
Grace,
Covenant
and
they're
working
on
a
fourth
Church
that'll
be
rotating.
C
So
the
code
purple
plan
it
started
October,
15th
and
pretty
much
right
out
of
the
bat
we
act
right
out
of
the
gate.
We
actually
did
have
a
couple
nights
of
code
purple,
so
I'm
really
glad
that
we
were
able
to
have
a
plan
in
place
and
it
runs
October
15th
through
April
30th.
It's
called
on
nights
when
temperatures
are
forecasted
to
be
32
degrees
or
below,
and
it's
called
48
hours
in
advance
and
it's
called
by
the
Homeless
Coalition
chairs,
the
Homeless
Coalition
chairs.
It's
a
tri-chair
group.
C
C
Entry
time
to
access
at
abccm
is
between
the
hours
of
4
pm
and
8
pm,
and
we
had
also
heard
historically
that
there
were
some
concerns
about
late
entries,
individuals
who
are
working,
or
maybe
people
weren't
aware
that
it
was
going
to
be
code
purple
and
as
the
night
got
colder,
they
decided
that
they
actually
did
need
services.
So,
as
you'll
see
there
there's
late
interest
late
entrances
accepted
from
the
hospital,
the
law
enforcement,
Community,
paramedics
and
abccm,
as
well
as
some
of
the
other
provider
system
exit
time
at
code.
C
Purple
is
7
30
a.m
the
next
morning
and
then
there's
Transportation
provided
at
no
cost
through
the
services
that
you
see
listed
there.
So
our
ABC
CM
shuttles
and
then
Community
paramedics
as
appropriate,
and
so
what
that
means
is
there
a
medical
need.
Have
they
been
provided,
providing
a
medical
need
and
then
does
that
individual
need
to
access
code
purple
and
the
two
locations
for
pickup
for
the
abccm
shuttles
are
between
four
and
six
at
the
crisis,
Ministry
on
24
Cumberland,
at
the
rescue
mission
and
at
Salvation
Army,
so
there's
three
locations,
foreign.
C
So
the
funding
for
code
purple.
This
year
actually
came
out
of
support
from
Buncombe,
County
and
also
the
city
of
Asheville,
with
an
equal,
fifty
thousand
dollars
per
entity
for
a
total
of
a
hundred
thousand
dollars.
Those
funds
were
contracted
with
the
city
of
Asheville,
the
city
of
Asheville
put
out
a
request
for
proposals.
They
received
proposals
from
three
providers
and
the
Hayak
finance
committee
reviewed
those
proposals
made
recommendations
and
then
on
1028.
Those
recommendations
were
brought
to
Hayak.
C
The
Hayek
committee
voted
approved
the
proposals
you'll
see
in
just
a
moment
what
they
were,
and
the
City
of
Asheville
staff
will
execute
those
contracts.
C
Here
is
the
list
of
funding
allocations
that
were
the
funding
request.
As
then,
the
recommendation
that
was
made
by
the
committee,
the
one
I
want
to
make
sure
to
mention,
is
Salvation
Army
at
the
bottom.
You
may
have
seen
or
heard
that
before
I
didn't
mention
Salvation
Army
as
one
of
our
sites
Unfortunately,
they
had
originally
planned
to
be
able
to
do
code
for
code
purple,
but
to
do
to
staff
capacity.
C
They
are
not
able
to
do
that
after
the
allocation
decision
had
come
out,
so
those
funds
will
be
reallocated
amongst
the
providers
listed
above
and
that
conversation
will
occur
at
the
November
30th
Hayak
meeting.
The
allocation
amount
was
done
through
an
equitable
distribution
based
on
funding
amount
requested.
C
C
There
was
an
after
Action
meeting
to
address
some
questions
that
had
Arisen
after
the
last
code
purple,
so
they
we
originally
had
entry
times
at
the
code,
purple
locations
from
four
to
six.
After
conversation,
it's
now
been
extended
till
eight
there
was
Transportation
access
questions
about.
Is
there
transportation
to
and
from
location?
So
those
pieces
got
addressed
medical
clearance.
C
There
had
been
some
questions
that
had
come
up
from
that,
and
so
I
think
that
after
Action
meeting
really
was
able
to
have
solutions
to
some
of
the
questions
that
had
been
raised
after
those
first
two
nights,
the
key
takeaways
from
our
code
purple
plan
this
year
so
far
is
we
do
have
more
purple
beds
this
year
than
last
year.
So
we
have
105
beds
available
this
year
versus
the
78
that
we
had
last
year,
code
purple
manual
was
released
last
I
think
it
was
on
Friday.
C
C
Shelter,
yes,
so
the
winter
shelter.
So
there
had
been
some
conversation
about
whether
or
not
a
winter
shelter
was
necessary
or
whether
code
purple
would
meet
that
need.
So
there
were
abccm
and
The
ecumenical
Community
came
up
and
said
they
would
like
to
do
a
winter
shelter,
and
so
they
felt
like
they
wanted
to
run
that
24
7,
regardless
of
the
cold
weather
nights,
because
ball
code
purple
is
called
at
32
degrees.
C
33
degrees
is
also
still
quite
cold,
and
so
for
some
they
felt
like
that
was
a
need
in
our
community
and
so
abccm
decided
for
two
of
their
locations
to
have
just
the
good
purple
location
and
then
for
that
third
location
to
be
able
to
offer
a
winter
shelter
and
then
The
ecumenical
Church.
Also
group
also
wanted
to
offer
that
winter
shelter
as
well.
E
A
Out
of
curiosity,
so
what
what
are
the
facilities
that
are
listed
here?
Are
they
used
for
like
housing
for
the
homeless
outside
of
the
winter
time,
or
they
just
sort
of
deploy
during
this
code,
purple
season
or
code
purple
nights.
C
No,
so
many
are
already
functioning
as
shelters
during
the
regular
part
of
the
year,
but
they
don't.
They
don't
have
as
much
space
throughout
the
year
to
offer
beds
so
like
they're
cots
right
now
is
what
has
been
set
up
and
so
oftentimes.
You
have
more
people
in
smaller
spaces
whenever
it's
code,
purple
nights
and
one
of
the
things
that
you
may
recall
when
covet
first
hit
was
that
was
really
impactful,
because
we
couldn't
have
people
as
close
together.
So
the
social
distancing
piece.
A
And
so
there's
more
more
bed
capacity
now
than
last
year,
and
is
it
the
assessment
of
the
folks
who've
been
involved
in
planning
this
that
this
is
an
adequate
number
to
meet
the
need
for
this
winter.
C
C
A
F
Good
afternoon,
so
I
am
stepping
in
for
civil
Tate
to
present
the
information
on
the
general
obligation
bonds
and
provide
an
update.
So
I
will
do
my
best
to
provide
you
all
the
information
and
answer
questions
with
the
support
of
other
staff
as
necessary.
F
F
We
anticipate
to
begin
advertising
for
those
positions
within
the
week
and
hope
for
a
start
date
in
February
for
both
of
those
positions.
The
primary
duties
of
those
positions
would
be
in
project
management,
financial
reporting.
They
will
be
involved
in
presenting
to
the
community
oversight
committee,
the
board,
as
well
as
any
advisory
boards
that
have
pertinent
advisement
capacity
in
those
decisions,
as
well
as
maintaining
the
transparency
website.
F
At
the
same
time,
as
was
just
mentioned,
the
board
is
going
to
begin
reviewing
and
approving
project
selection
criteria.
The
first
item
is
listed
here
under
the
affordable
housing
category.
As
was
mentioned,
I'll
be
presenting
on
the
criteria
that
has
regularly
been
used
by
the
board
to
disseminate
the
affordable
housing,
Services
Program
funding
over
the
last
nearly
20
years
with
updates.
Obviously
so,
the
the
affordable
housing
committee
has
reviewed
those
criteria.
F
With
regard
to
the
open
space.
There
are
kind
of
three
sets
of
criteria
that
will
need
to
be
developed
and
finalized.
The
first
for
conservation
easements.
There
are
some
draft
criteria
that
we
hope
to
bring
back
to
the
board
on
December
5th
at
the
briefing
I
believe
and
then
again
bring
that
forward
to
the
full
board
for
approval
the
criteria
for
Greenways
and
passive
Recreation,
which
I'll
make
a
little
bit
of
clarification
on
that
we're,
anticipating
coming
forward
in
February
to
the
board
for
consideration.
F
A
We're
looking
for
folks
to
serve
on
the
oversight
committee,
so
people
of
Buncombe
County.
We
call
upon
you
to
serve
on
this
committee,
so
we're
looking
for
one
person.
Who's
got
a
background
in
accounting,
one
person
with
a
background
in
banking
or
Finance,
one
person
who
has
a
background
in
one
person
who's
a
representative
from
the
Chamber
of
Commerce,
one
person
with
a
background
in
affordable
housing
and
one
person
with
a
background
in
either
conservation
or
Greenway
related
interests,
so
we're
taking
applications
now,
so
anybody
who's
interested.
In
that
you
know
we
would.
A
F
Sure
so
the
next
item
that
I'll
be
presenting
is
the
affordable
housing,
Services,
Program
description
requirements
and
guidelines
and
wait
for
that
presentation
to
pull
up.
But
as
it's
coming
up
as
a
reminder
and
as
I
just
kind
of
referenced
previously,
the
Buncombe
County
has
offered
an
affordable
housing,
Services,
Program
and
funding
to
support,
affordable
housing
activities.
Since
2004.,
there
has
been
program
guidance
that
has
existed
so
that
we
can
communicate
what
activities
we
want
to
support
as
well
as
indicate
who's
eligible
to
apply
and
seek
that
funding
support.
F
So
the
existing,
affordable
housing,
Services
Program,
supported
activities
include
construction
loan
program
down
payment
assistance,
program,
tenant-based
rental
assistance
program,
the
construction
grant
program
for
non-revenue,
generating
properties,
the
emergency
repair
grant
program
and
the
New
Start
program.
You'll
notice
at
the
bottom
of
this
list
in
italics
is
an
administrative
support
program.
So
this
is
a
new
category
that
the
committee
is
recommending.
F
We
add
to
the
program,
obviously
with
board
approval,
so
a
little
bit
of
details
about
the
affordable
housing
committee's
recommended
modifications
to
the
program,
the
first
kind
of
and
we're
highlighting
the
more
significant
modifications
here.
The
first
is
just
clarifying
that
Rehabilitation
of
existing
affordable
housing
is
an
eligible
activity
for
a
construction
loan.
F
We
are
in
Buncombe
County,
going
to
begin
seeing
some
of
our
existing
affordable
housing,
multi-family
unit
stock
kind
of
reach,
the
end
of
its
life,
where
it
would
be
tied
to
to
remaining
in
affordable
housing.
So
this
provides
those
Property
Owners
the
ability
to
access
funds
in
order
to
rehab
and
and
keep
those
properties
in
affordability.
F
The
second
modification
is
to
the
emergency
repair
program,
in
recognition
of
the
increasing
cost
of
all
things,
including
construction
and
repair
work.
The
committee
is
recommending
to
increase
the
maximum
for
home
investment
to
twenty
five
thousand
dollars
to
increase
when
a
lien
is
required
to
repairs
that
exceed
fifteen
thousand
dollars
and
to
reduce
the
period
of
impact
on
a
lien
to
a
maximum
of
three
years
and
again,
this
is
reflecting
those
increased
costs
to
perform
a
repair
on
properties.
F
The
New
Start
program.
Currently
the
maximum
award
is
25
000.
We
have
seen
a
number
of
entities
utilize
that
to
undertake
new
activities
in
recognition
again
of
increasing
costs
and
the
need
for
impact
in
those
areas.
In
order
to
meet
the
adopted,
the
board
adopted,
affordable
housing
goals.
The
committee
is
recommending
to
increase
that
award
to
fifty
thousand
dollars
per
award
and,
as
I
mentioned
before,
the
new
category
or
new
program
offering
would
be
the
administrative
support
program.
F
This
would
be
a
grant
program,
and
this
was
really
developed
based
on
community
partner
feedback
staff,
hosted
a
community
partner
meeting
in
September
and
received
feedback
from
a
number
of
organizations,
doing
work
in
the
affordable
housing
area,
and
they
were
having
concerns
about
inability
to
access
administrative
funds.
Those
funds
could
help
again
Advance
very
specific
and
targeted
County
goals,
so
they
would
be
attached
to
you
know
if
that
funding
is
sought
and
requested
that
they
would
need
to
identify
Advance
the
identified
goals
again,
a
maximum
Award
of
fifty
thousand.
F
So
that
would
be
a
new
program
category
in
this
cycle,
so
the
existing
criteria,
those
that
would
be
used
for
the
affordable
housing
Services
Program,
and
we
would
anticipate
being
able
to
utilize
this
program
to
dispense
bond
funds
as
well.
So
those
existing
criteria
are
meeting
the
affordable
housing
goals
and
objectives
against
those
which
the
board
adopted
earlier
this
year.
F
We
also
look
at
funding
constraints.
Individual
project
merits.
What
is
the
project?
How
is
it
composed?
Who
does
it
serve
the
achievement
of
a
desired
mix
of
project
types?
There
are
varied
goals
in
terms
of
rental,
Housing,
Home,
Ownership
repair.
So
making
sure
we're
achieving
a
desired
mix
leveraging
other
funding.
That's
a
critical
component,
we're
typically
a
gap
funder.
So
we
are
relying
on
our
partners
to
leverage
other
funds
to
make
the
projects
viable
and
then
also
voucher
acceptance.
Another
specific
goal
that
the
board
recently
adopted.
F
So
the
Board
of
Commissioners
is
just
specifying
again
in
the
guidance
that
the
board
would
continue
to
budget
Daryl
fund
dollars
and
allocate
the
funds
to
the
projects
through
the
annual
budgeting
process.
There
was
a
provision.
Currently,
you
are
prohibited
from
seeking
a
property
tax
exemption.
If
you
accept
one
of
our
construction
loans,
there
was
discussion
about
that
being
potentially
or
potentially
having
a
negative
impact
on
certain
projects
making
them
less
viable.
F
So
it
was
recommended
by
the
committee
that
the
board
had
the
authority
to
waive
that
prohibition
so
basically
to
allow
applicants
to
seek
that
property
tax
exemption
if
it
was
necessary
for
project
viability,
clarifying
the
role
of
the
affordable
housing
committee.
Reviewing
the
project
applications
recommending
the
funding
allocations
to
the
full
board
and
then
recommending
contract
terms
in
terms
of
low
loan
interest
rates,
as
well
as
deferral
of
loans
and
then
clarifying
the
role
of
the
Community
Development
Division.
F
E
I
have
a
couple
questions
so
when
I
don't
recall,
seeing
anything
I
I
glanced
at
the
other
information
you
provided,
but
do
we
have
anything
that
specifies
how
long
the
projects
have
to
be
affordable?
The
housing
has
to
be
affordable
when
we
do
rentals.
F
So
for
multi-families
it's
for
the
term
of
the
loan
generally,
they
can
propose
a
longer
term,
a
period
in
terms
of
affordability
and
typically
other
funders
are
actually
requiring
a
longer
period
of
affordability
than
our
loan
runs.
So
for
our
multi-family
projects
in
practicality,
it's
a
20-year
guarantee
of
affordability.
They
can
propose
higher.
If
they
do,
we
can
write
that
into
the
contract,
but,
for
example,
a
tax
credit
project
would
have
a
more
extensive
period
of
affordability
than
that.
So,
typically
we
are.
F
E
F
So
we
rely
on
General
statutes
to
give
us
the
authority
to
provide
that
support
and
general
statutes
do
limit
our
activities
to
serving
low
and
moderate
income
households
which
are
defined
at
that
that
threshold
of
80
or
less
okay.
E
Thank
you
and
then
think,
just
one
final
question:
the
with
the
emergency
repair
with
our
ability
to
do
that
program.
E
It
seems
like
from
what
I'm
hearing
from
the
community
there's
a
significant
need
in
that
area
pertaining
to
affordable
housing.
So
are
we
going
to
be
able
to
ramp
that
up
and
and
do
quite
a
bit
more
with
that
this
next
go-around
it
looks
like
you've
got
in
December?
Is
when
you
have
your
request
for
proposals.
F
A
lot
of
our
response
to
the
emergency
repair
need
is
really
driven
by
the
applicants.
We
have
historically
over
the
last
several
years,
significantly
increased
our
activity
and
emergency
repair.
The
requests
have
significantly
increased
from
year
to
year,
we
were
unable
to
with
last
year's
general
fund
allocation
to
meet
the
full
request
of
potential
activity,
but
I
would
anticipate
you
know
again,
depending
on
Project
merits
and
the
mix
of
project
types,
as
well
as
the
use
of
General
funds
and
bond
funds,
the
potential
to
be
able
to
to
do
more
work
in
that
area.
Okay,.
A
I
have
just
like
maybe
a
couple
questions
or
comments.
Matt
can
you
can?
Can
you
remind
me,
you
mentioned
the
the
liens
on
the
home
repair
projects.
What's
the
threshold
again
for
when
the
liens
would
be
required,
it's
over
what
amount
it's
over
15
000.
it's
over
15,
then
you
would.
The
property
owner
would
need
to
place
a
lien
on
the
have
a
lien
placed
on
the
property
and
the
maximum
investment
is
25.
000
per
property.
Correct
yeah-
and
this
is
this-
is
a
new
requirement
that
we
would
be
creating.
A
And
be
in
place
Okay,
so
we've
had
the
lien
requirement
for
a
long
long
time.
Yes,
yeah.
Okay,
thanks
for
that
clarification
and
I
know,
we
talked
about
this
a
little
bit
at
the
committee
meeting,
so
I
won't
belabor
too
much
here,
but
and
it's
at
the
perspective
of
the
staff
that
the
are
there
a
lot
of
property
owners
who
would
like
choose
to
do
it
like
the
smaller
amount
to
avoid
the
lien
and
just
kind
of
what's
the
kind
of
like
reaction
from
Property
Owners
around
you
know.
F
There
were
a
number
of
of
reasons
we
discussed,
modifying
those
caps
and
and
setting
a
higher
lean.
What
we
were
finding,
because
our
contractor
providers,
which
traditionally
have
been
Habitat
for
Humanity
and
Mountain
housing
opportunities,
are
regularly
submitting
requests
for
support
right
under
that
cap,
where
the
lien
would
come
into
place
because
they
are
utilizing
a
number
of
funding
sources.
F
What
they
were
reporting
to
us
as
the
lien
is
a
hindrance
to
certain
applicants
for
seeking
out
the
emergency
repairs.
We
were
trying
to
remove
some
barriers
there
for
them
and
then
they're
cobbling
together
kind
of
several
pieces
of
funding
in
order
to
keep
them
from
receiving
a
lien
on
the
property.
There
are
a
number
of
reasons
for
that
again.
This
is
anecdotal
from
our
partners
and
and
things
that
we
learned
through
the
the
meeting
that
we
had
in
September.
F
A
F
The
liens
are
currently
executed
by
the
provider
themselves,
so
they
actually
issued
the
lien
and
they
hold
them
if
they
do
expend
more
than
the
cap
right
so
that
the
lien
is
required.
We
Prov.
We
require
proof
that
the
lien
has
been
placed
so
that
they
can
recapture
that
income
and
redeploy
it.
Okay.
A
All
right,
well,
I'm
I
mean
I'm
I'm
not
objecting
to
it.
I
mean
I'm,
okay
with
it
I
guess.
I
would
just
flag
it
as
one
of
these
things
where
I
think
the
question
is
like
whether
the
benefit
of
it
is
worth
the
effort
that
goes
into
it
right.
You
know,
because
it
is
kind
of
a
I
mean
it's
not
real,
complicated,
but
there's
a
legal
process
there
and
does
it
create
some
barrier,
so
I
guess
I
would
just
I
would
just
raise
it
as
an
an
item.
That's
kind
of
worth.
A
A
If
it's
a
makes
sense
in
theory,
but
is
it
really
needed
I
guess
it's
the
question
that
I
kind
of
keep
wondering
to
myself
so
I
guess
I
would
ask
that
we
maybe
just
kind
of
continue
to
evaluate
and
see
if
it's
doing
more
doing
if
the
benefits
are
worth
the
extra
work
involved
in
it
and
then
the
and
then
on
the
property
tax
exemption
policy.
A
So
the
the
recommendation
is
that
the
affordable
housing
committee
could
have
the
option
of
allowing
an
affordable
housing
developer
to
gain
a
property
tax
exemption,
even
if
they're
also
accepting
like
a
low
interest
loan
from
the
county,
whereas
our
current
policy
is,
if
you
accept
the
low
interest
loan,
don't
come
asking
for
a
property
tax
exemption,
but
it's
totally
at
our
discretion
whether
to
do
that
or
not.
It
would
simply
give
us
that
option
to
consider.
F
Correct
right
right
now
there
is
no
option,
but
we
wanted
to
provide
the
option.
You
know
for
the
board
to
make
that
decision.
One
reason
that
property
tax
exemption
seeking
that
out
was
prohibited.
F
This
is
kind
of
where,
where
revenues
have
been
generated
for
the
county
in
order
to
cover
that
cost,
it's
particularly
important
in
a
principal
balloon
situation,
where
they're
holding
a
lot
of
of
debt.
That
will
come
due
all
at
once,
which
is
fairly
typical
in
a
tax
credit
project,
but
in
some
cases,
as
we've
seen
prohibiting
that
could
be
infringing
upon
the
ultimate
delivery
of
the
project.
So
I'm.
Looking
at
those
kinds
of
details.
A
Okay
and
under
under
state
law
like
if
a
if
a
developer,
builds
it
a
a
a
project
and
it's
all
affordable
they,
but
they
don't
ask
for
any
Public
Funding
from
the
town
or
county
that
they're
in
they
would
be
granted
the
property
tax
exemption
under
state
law.
That's
that's
kind
of
a
state
policy
to
encourage
affordable
housing
right
right.
F
So
there
are
General
statutes
that
give
them
the
opportunity
to
make
application
for
that,
and
if
they
meet
the
criteria,
you
know
that
they're
providing
the
affordable
housing
then
they
would
be
able
to
have
that
exemption.
What
we
have
done
is
practically
prohibit
them
from
seeking
out
something
they
were
able
to
ask
for,
but
that's
they're
accepting
that
in
order
to
receive
the
benefit
of
the
loan.
E
A
We
just
had
some.
We
just
had
some
discussion
about
at
the
last
meeting,
so
it's
not
been
like
a
long
like
a
long
term.
Conversation
I
mean
I.
Think
part
of
the
concern
is
just
you
know
we're
in
this
era,
I
mean
the
bonds
have
passed
great
news,
that's
more
resources
to
invest
in
you
know
this
area,
but
we're
looking
at
really
high
interest
rates
for
people
who
want
to
build
housing
or
apartments,
and
things
like
that
and
construction
costs
are
up
so
I.
A
Think
part
of
the
concern
is
just
that
the
economics
of
getting
projects
done
is
like
we're
we're
in
this,
hopefully
not
long
term,
but
in
the
near
term.
We're
in
this
environment.
That's
going
to
be
really
hard,
so
I
think
the
reason
it
kind
of
came
up
was.
Do
we
need
to
look
at
some
of
the
things
we're
doing
for
the
these
new
construction
projects
to
make
sure
that
they'll
be
viable
and
so
I
think,
at
least
for
myself?
A
Unlike
do
only
non-profits
get
it
or
does
everybody
get
it,
and
so
I
do
think
we'll
need
to
be
kind
of
careful,
though-
and
maybe
maybe
the
committee
needs
to
spend
some
more
time,
thinking
about
it,
because
the
the
property
tax
abatement
is
a
big
benefit
right
like
financially
like
it's
a
pretty
powerful
thing,
so
I
think
we
do
want
to
be
careful
that,
if
we're
not
planning
on
doing
that,
or
at
least
not
doing
that
very
often
that
we
don't
want
to
send
this
signal
that
you
can
kind
of
pay
the
options
there
and
then
people
kind
of
start
expecting
to
get
it
when
in
fact,
we
may
not
be
planning
to
give
it
or
only
in
the
rarest
of
circumstances
or
something
like
that,
so
I
just
I'm
wondering
if
maybe
we
need
to
come
up
with
a
more
clear
expectation
for
what's.
A
F
In
in
advising
the
committee
and
Advising
the
board,
what
we
would
look
at
is
their
proforma
and
is
it
necessary
for
project
viability.
That's
the
lens
through
which
we
look
at
the
loan
offerings
as
well.
The
way
that
the
way
that
property
taxes
feed
into
the
pro
forma,
which
is
how
you
determine
whether
the
project
is
viable.
You
know
to
begin
with.
Do
they
have
enough
Revenue
to
cover
their
expenses?
It
creates
an
expense
that
causes
issues
with
debt
service
coverage
ratio.
F
So
if
you
can
reduce
the
expense
expense
on
one
side,
it
gives
them
more
financing
capacity
potentially,
but
as
as
has
been
the
case,
if
they're
seeking
specific
loan
terms
or
if
they're,
presenting
a
performer
that
would
show
you
know
a
property
tax
exemption.
For
example,
they're
gonna
need
to
illustrate
that
and
then
we
would
need
to
be
able
to
confirm
in
the
proforma
that
it
is
necessary,
and
that
would
be
what
staff
would
provide
as
terms
of
information
as
whether
that
appears
to
be
necessary
based
on
the
performer
provided.
A
I
mean
I,
guess
I,
wonder
I
mean
this
is
part
of
why
we
have
a
committee
set
when
we
could
talk
more
about
some
of
these
detailed
stuff
there,
but
I
mean
in
some
ways
it
seems
like.
Maybe
maybe
we
shouldn't
do
this?
Maybe
we
should
just
kind
of
keep
it
the
way
we
had.
So
it's
like
all
Apples
to
Apples
right,
like
everybody
pays
property
taxes.
If
you
need
more
money
to
get
your
project
viable,
you
need
to
just
ask
for
more
money
like
based
on
the
particular
like
environment.
A
We're
in
it
may
just
be
that
some
addition,
like
larger
Investments,
may
be
needed
than
they
were
in
the
past,
but
I
mean
I.
Think
what
we
don't
want
to
get
into
is
kind
of
like
giving
half
the
people
a
tax
break
and
the
other
half
not,
and
it's
like
I
mean
everybody's
going
to
say,
they're
needed,
like
I,
can
just
guarantee
you
everybody's
going
to
say
they
need
it
like
I've.
Never
like
we
say
it's
an
option.
All
of
a
sudden
everybody
needs
it.
A
So
I
don't
know
it
made,
and
maybe
we
just
need
to
like
spend
some
more
time
on
this
to
kind
of
come
up
with
a
consistent
approach
on
it.
A
But
I
don't
hear
this
commits
us
to
a
particular
path.
It
just
kind
of
says:
we
have
some
space
to
consider
it,
but
I,
don't
know
I
mean,
do
you
mind
or
parker?
Do
you
have
any
thoughts
on
on
this
or
Amanda
or
Opera.
A
D
A
A
All
right,
thanks,
Matt
appreciate
it.
Okay,
the
last
item
on
the
briefing
agenda
is
the
35
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planning,
update
and
I.
Think
Scott,
Metcalf
and
Paulina
Mendez
are
here
to
update
us
on
this
item.
H
H
H
H
We've
come
a
long
way
from
where
we
first
started,
and
we've
really
began
to
make
progress
on
something
that
will
not
only
improve
citizen
access
to
most
forward-facing
departments,
but
also
improve
services
and
increase.
The
footprint
of
the
Family
Justice
Center
here
with
us
today
to
provide
more
detail,
is
Rachel
Nielsen
and
Katie
mcrary
from
CPL
architects
who
can
accredit
who
we
can
accredit
to
keeping
us
on
track
and
answering
our
questions
and
navigating
our
logistical
obstacles
through
architectural
design,
Rachel.
B
Thank
you,
and
thanks
for
letting
me
present
to
you
this
afternoon,
I'm
gonna
back
up
a
little
bit
from
from
what
Scott
took
you
through
and
give
a
little
bit
of
background
of
how
we
got
here
and
how
we
got
to
this
project
that
we're
talking
about.
B
B
One
of
the
outcomes
of
that
was
that,
through
your
change
and
your
telecommute
and
remote
work
policies
and
discussions
on
who
and
how
many
people
were
remote
working
and
through
Department
of
facility
assessments,
we
found
that
the
40
Cox
building
was
had
a
number
of
vacancies
and
in
order
to
fully
utilize
that
building
a
number
of
HHS
staff
and
departments
were
planned
to
be
relocated
from
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Cox.
B
That
left
vacancies
at
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and
with
the
location
of
the
building
in
the
in
the
downtown
area.
Prime,
downtown
property
and
a
also
a
desire
to
create
a
facility
for
forward-facing
services
to
all
coexist
in
one
place.
To
better
increase
efficiencies,
provide
a
central
space
for
public
services
for
people
to
come
to.
We
looked
at
35
Woodfin
as
a
possibility
for
that
and
that
led
to
this
project
here.
B
Through,
as
Scott
mentioned,
we've
had
a
number
of
meetings
through
this
process,
we've
gone
through
a
lot
of
programming
meetings,
not
just
with
the
Family
Justice
Center,
but
with
a
lot
of
these
other
departments.
These
forward-facing
service
departments
that
all
go
through
kind
of
who
that
list
is
later
talking
about
what
their
space
needs
are.
What
everyone's
space
needs
are.
What
growth
looks
like
for
each
of
these
different
groups?
B
What
access
looks
like
and
how
some
of
these
spaces
need
to
work
in
terms
of
adjacencies
and
efficiencies
with
each
other
in
terms
of
central
lobbies
or
separate
spaces.
We've
also
talked
through
access
to
these
different
departments,
how
many
visitors,
each
of
them
have
a
day
and
what
traffic
might
look
like
and
what
parking
needs
might
look
like.
B
So
we've
developed
a
program
of
spaces
for
each
of
these
departments.
We've
also
gone
through
four
in-depth
charettes
with
the
Family
Justice
Center,
just
talk
specifically
about
what
some
of
those
concerns
are
specifically
as
they
relate
to
survivors
and
victims
and
their
needs
for
Access,
for
security
for
safety,
to
make
sure
that
we
aren't
prohibiting
access
for
any
of
those
those
people
keeping
their
needs
kind
of
at
the
Forefront
of
how
we
looked
at
what
this
this
space
is.
Those
charrettes
were
those
Fortune
rats
were
in
person.
We
had
small
group
discussions.
B
We
had
large
group
meetings,
we
looked
at
kind
of.
We
did
some
live
drawing
and
talk
through
kind
of
what
these
look
like
from
a
visual
perspective
and
then
also
did
have
a
survey
where
we
are
able
to
go
through
with
all
of
the
partners
and
help
understand
some
of
the
prioritization
of
all
of
these
different
elements,
and
these
different
needs
that
we
were
talking
about
to
note
a
few
of
those
a
couple
of
those
were
to
for
fjc
spaces
to
all,
be
located
on
one
floor
to
not
kind
of
split
up.
B
There
are
concerns
from
survivors
and
victims
about
Safety
and
Security
in
a
parking
deck
situation,
and
so
that
open
lot
was
something
that
was
discussed
and
for
there
to
be
separate
street
addresses,
and
we
have
talked
with
Buncombe
County
with
the
city
of
Asheville,
about
the
possibility
of
having
separate
entrances
and
a
separate
address.
So
there's
no
confusion
about
who
goes
where
and
then
access
to
the
courthouse
from
the
College
Street
end
of
the
building.
B
B
Our
findings
for
the
charette.
First,
on
the
department
side,
we
we
talked
about
a
number
of
more
departments
that
are
forward-facing
service
departments
and
this-
and
these
were
the
ones
that
were
kind
of
the
the
primary
forward-facing
service
departments
that
the
county
had
a
goal
to
locate
together
and
also
a
number
of
these
departments
are
currently
in
facilities
that
had
been
flagged
on
the
comprehensive
facility
master
plan
on
the
building
assessment
side
as
buildings
that
either
are
penned
for
different
uses
or
need
significant
upgrades.
B
These
departments,
tax
collection,
tax
assessment
planning
permits
and
inspections,
air
quality,
environmental,
health,
backup
9-1-1,
and
it
are
the
ones
that
we've
been
centering.
This
conversation
around
as
departments
that
would
be
co-located
at
this
facility
and
they
do
have
a
variety
of
visitors
counts
to
each
of
these.
A
number
of
them
are
in
the
kind
of
20
to
40
a
day,
and
it
kind
of
varies
per
day.
Tax
collection
is
by
far
the
highest
and
that's
primarily
within
the
about
three
month.
B
B
From
a
finding
through
the
charrettes
through
the
survey,
it
was
really
important.
Kind
of
I'm
putting
under
this
required
needs
for
there
not
to
be
a
cross-mingling
so
making
sure
that
fjc
and
these
forward-facing
departments
do
not
have
a
central
Lobby
from
a
security
standpoint
that
those
two
are
two
separate
items.
B
All
of
our
our
conversations
through
the
charette
and
through
the
design
process
were
in
framed
around
the
fact
that
the
fjc
location,
the
plan
and
these
discussions
were
contingent
upon
nothing
in
that
parking
lot
in
right
in
the
front
in
the
future.
If
something
was
planned
for
that
in
the
future,
that
would
change
the
discussions
that
were
had,
and
that
was
for
a
few
reasons.
One
from
a
parking
need
perspective
from
the
fjc
side
for
those
survivors
and
those
victims
from
the
other
departments.
B
Some
of
those
other
departments
contractor
parking
that
typically
have
trucks
that
aren't
going
to
fit
in
a
parking
deck
Ada
parking
that
wants
to
be
closer
to
the
front
of
a
building.
Things
like
that,
as
well
as
with
a
forward-facing
Services,
building
understanding
that
there's
a
need
for
that
to
be
visible
as
well.
B
Separate
entrances
required
separate
address
numbers
were
preferred
and
we
believe
from
discussions
that
that
is
possible.
The
area
designated
as
fjc
also
includes
law
enforcement,
and
that
would
remain
in
the
future
from
a
preferred
needs
perspective.
We
understand
there
will
be
a
need
for
parking
lot
security.
What
that
need
is,
and
what
it
looks
like
is
still
to
be
determined.
One
thing
that
was
discussed
was
having
a
parking
arm
that
way
at
the
one
of
the
Woodfin
entry
drives
for
the
fjc
parking.
B
From
an
fjc
visitor
perspective,
since
I
did
mention
the
other
ones
as
well,
understanding
is
that
from
October
2020
to
September
2021,
they
saw
about
2600
served
about
2
600
survivors
plus
another
five
to
seven
a
day
through
Mountain
child
advocacy,
and
so
that
that
kind
of
is
in
the
range
of
like
10
to
20
a
day,
including
Mountain
child
advocacy
with
potential
for
higher
per
day.
When
there
are
group
meetings
or
group
sessions
that
happen
as
well.
B
We
I
have
on
here
options
A
and
B,
if
you've
seen
if
you
saw
the
number
of
options
that
we've
actually
worked
through
at
these
charrettes,
it's
much
much
higher
than
that.
But
we've
come
to
a
lot
of
consensus
through
the
charette
process.
Options
A
and
B
are
actually
very,
very
similar,
there's
just
a
couple
of
differences
and
from
our
understanding
there
isn't
necessarily
a
preference
between
those.
At
the
point
we
are
in
our
discussions
just
to
to
note
some
of
those
differences.
B
We
are
showing
a
secondary
entrance
on
this
plan
for
both
fjc,
as
well
as
a
secondary
entrance
for
other
departments,
and
the
secondary
entrance
in
one
for
fjc
is
on
the
College
Street
end
of
the
building
by
the
kind
of
by
the
playground
that's
over
there
and
in
the
other
option
that
secondary
entrance
is
in
the
area
between
the
parking
deck
and
the
building
so
kind
of
down.
Where
that
sidewalk
goes
in
in
option
A,
there
is
direct
access
from
fjc
to
the
playground
area
in
option
b.
B
It's
not
direct
access,
but
there
would
be
access
through
the
end
of
the
building
and
then
out
to
the
playground
in
option
A.
There
will
be
a
new
stair
requirement
at
the
College
Street
end
of
the
building,
just
because,
in
both
options,
fjc
is
located
on
the
second
level
of
the
building
or,
if
you're,
looking
at
it
from
where
we
are
here.
It
actually
will
look
like
the
third
level
and
then
that
Lobby,
and
so
like
I,
mentioned
from
a
similarity
perspective.
B
In
both
options,
there
is
still
going
to
be
a
need
for
renovation
to
what
we
are
assuming
is
about
two
and
a
half
floors
of
the
building.
We
have
not
gone
through
full
programming
in
full
schematic
design
to
see
what
walls
May
remain
as
existing,
where
how
we
may
renovate
and
then
there
are
again
separate
entrances
for
both
other
departments
and
for
fjc
so
running
through
each
of
these
floors.
This
is
floor.
Zero
half
of
this
floor
is
a
below
ground
basement
the
other
half
of
this
floor.
B
That's
closer
to
this
building
does
have
Windows
on
one
side
of
it,
and
this
floor
has
a
mechanical
space.
A
lot
of
mechanical
space
houses.
Emergency
Services,
is
a
possible
future
backup,
9-1-1
and
then
has
options
for
other
department.
Forward-Facing
Department
use
more
likely,
spaced
storage
spaces
labs
for
air
quality.
Things
like
that
that
are
not
necessarily
public
serving
spaces,
and
again
this
is
the
same
same
plan
in
both
A
and
B,
with
the
exception
of
an
added
stair
for
floor
one.
These
are
the
comparisons
of
A
and
B
like
I
mentioned
they're.
B
Pretty
similar
fjc
is
the
green
spaces
and
then
other
departments
are
those
purple
spaces
that
we
are
proposing
through
this
a
few
new
elevators
throughout
the
building
to
better
access
the
spaces
and
also
the
part,
the
College
Street
parking
deck
only
has
an
elevator
on
one
side
of
it,
and
so
the
other
side
of
it
closer
to
Woodfin
Street.
We
are
proposing
and
adding
an
elevator
there
to
better
access
those
yeah.
B
B
Depicting
like
a
separation,
but
we
have
not
fully
flushed
out
where
that
line
goes.
What
that
separation
looks
like
or
anything
like
that,
gotcha.
A
B
No,
so
we
we
know
see.
B
The
partners
currently
park
in
that
in
that
front
parking
lot.
They
are
not
Buncombe
County
staff,
so
they
don't
currently
have
access
to
the
parking
deck.
But
that
could
be
something
that
that
could
could
happen
they
could
park
in
there
and
then
that
would
change
needs
for
that
fjc
parking
and
then
from
the
other
department
parking.
B
We
know
that
there
are
some
departments
that
have
those
needs
from
the
contractor
truck
parking
and
from
the
Ada
parking,
but
we
would
need-
and
we
are
proposing
a
board
room
here
for
planning
and
stuff,
so
we
know
that
there
will
be
larger
groups
that
need
to
come
here.
From
that
perspective,
which
would
require
some
parking
as
well.
A
Okay
and
what
kind
of
trucks
can't
park
in
the
parking
deck
just
really
large
trucks,
I
mean
like
a
typical
truck
and
like
I,
parked
my
truck
in
the
decks
all
the
time.
So
yeah.
B
B
And
then
that
red
square
down
on
the
bottom
part
of
the
plan
is
designating
about
10
spaces
for
fjc.
Those
are
not
for
staff.
That
would
be
primarily
for
Mountain
child
advocacy
clients,
because
the
mountain
trial
advocacy
entrance
is
discussed
to
be
that
end
of
the
building.
B
Okay,
on
the
second
level
again,
the
green
is
that
fjc,
the
the
it's
hard
to
tell
that
it's
hatched,
but
the
the
mostly
purple
area.
There
is
other
departments,
primarily
that's
where
we
discussed
putting
conference
rooms
the
boardroom
that
way
any
conference
spaces
that
are
there
could
potentially
be
shared
with
fjc.
There
are
no
large
conference
rooms,
training
rooms
planned
in
that
fjc
program.
B
B
From
a
building-wide
perspective,
like
I
mentioned,
there
are
three
new
elevators
that
are
proposed
one
at
the
parking
deck
one
at
the
new
fjc
entry
to
lead,
you
direct
to
a
second
floor
and
another
one
at
the
left
side
of
the
building.
B
There
is
currently
there
are
currently
two
elevators
within
the
building
right
now,
one
at
the
center
one,
all
the
way
down
at
College
Street
zero
to
one
new
stairs,
depending
on
the
plan,
renovated
entry
for
fjc
to
go
straight
to
the
second
floor:
new
entry
for
other
departments,
full
interior
renovation
and
compliance
with
the
Buncombe
County
high
performance
building
resolution
100
renewable
energy
plan.
So
we
have
done
preliminary
energy
analysis
to
understand
what
some
of
that
might
be
and
what
might
mean
for
this
renovation
from
the
parking
perspective.
B
Fjc
parking
at
that
front
surface
lot
automated
parking
arm
at
the
fjc
lot;
entry
other
department
parking
at
the
front
surface
lot
to
include
Ada
and
truck
contractor
parking
and
then
the
10
spaces
at
the
lower
level.
B
The
next
steps
would
be
to
have
further
discussions
with
the
other
departments
to
bring
them
into
the
charette
discussions,
to
make
sure
that
we
fully
validated
their
program
needs
and
made
sure
that
we've
included
all
of
the
growth
numbers.
Our
meetings
with
them
were
a
little
over
a
year
ago,
so
we
want
to
make
sure
that
we're
still
on
track
with
what
we
heard
then
and
to
get
your
feedback
prior
to
moving
forward
with
any
additional
meetings
or
design
decisions.
E
A
And
we're
also
going
to
be
doing
additional
analysis
on
the
utilization
of
the
County's
very
large
parking
garage,
which
is
next
to
this
surface
parking
lot
right,
because
when
we
were
talking
about
the
parking
for
downtown
workers
issue
we're
starting
that
at
Cox
avenue.
You
know
this.
This
garage
is
a
potential
interest,
but
we
hadn't
really
done
the
analysis.
A
Yet
to
know
like
is
there
capacity
here
for
some
downtown
Workforce
parking,
which
may
be
maybe
an
a
good
idea
or
you
know,
might
might
we
some
of
the
some
of
the
staff
who
work
in
the
building?
Could
they
potentially
work
there,
either
County,
Employees
or
fjc
partner
organizations?
Could
their
staff
park
there
because,
because
right
now,
they're
just
all
using
the
surface
parking
lot
right.
B
A
They're,
just
people
who
want
to
go
downtown,
who
are
parking
there
and
like
we're
not
being
super
mean
in
Towing
them
off
like
everybody
else,
is
so
they're
It's,
Just
Happening
a
bit
okay,
I,
wouldn't
be
surprised
by
that
all
right
sounds
good.
You
know,
I
mean
I,
think
I.
Think
yeah
I
mean
you
know
we're
looking
at
all
these
downtown
properties
for
what's
their
highest
and
best
use
for
the
future,
I
mean
I.
Think
there's
a
lot
of
you
know.
A
Good
thinking,
that's
gone
into
this
and
you
know
my
only
kind
of
reticence
is,
as
we
think
about
growth
and
development,
the
need
for
affordable
housing.
You
know
our
one
of
our
biggest
constraints
is
we
just
don't
have
much
land
to
do
it
on
right
because
we
live
in
these
beautiful
mountains,
where
there's
not
a
lot
of
buildable
properties.
So
when
we
have
you
know,
Acres
of
downtown
surface
parking,
that's
owned
by
the
county,
then
obviously
we
want
to
make
sure
we're
not
under
utilizing
it.
B
A
I
totally
get
the
need
for,
like
the
clients
of
the
Family
Justice
Center,
to
have
this
placed
it.
That's
very
easy
to
park,
feel
safe.
You
know
so
preserving
that
capacity.
I
think.
Certainly
you
know
that
that's
very
important,
but
does
that
mean
we
have
to
kind
of
keep
this
whole?
You
know
this
kind
of
the
status
quo
in
terms
of
the
surface
parking
lot
as
it
appears
today.
You
know
for
forever:
I
I,
don't
I,
don't
know.
If
that's
what
makes
the
most
sense.
So
those
are.
A
Those
are
some
of
the
kind
of
questions.
I
hope
we
can
think
a
little
bit
more
about
before
making
making
the
final
decisions.
D
Yes,
that's
that's
the
deliverables
that
we
ask
them
to
do
to
look
at
all
their
properties.
The
Cox
avenue
parking
lot.
This
part,
this
parking
lot
and
I
believe
I,
don't
believe
Valley
street
is
on
that
list
yet
because
it's
occupied,
but
those
two
parking
lots
for
sure
they're
going
to
be
looking
at
and
bring
us
back.
D
A
And
one
of
the
other
questions-
and
you
know
if,
if
the
information
is
not
like,
you
know
somebody
that
could
be
respond
to
right
away,
the
other
one
of
the
other
questions
I
had
is
is
about
the
frequency
of
folks
who
are
visiting
family
Justice
Center,
who
are
also
utilizing.
A
The
courthouse
on
the
same
trip
like
I
said,
would
park
in
that
parking
space,
utilize,
fjc
and
then
and
then
and
then
go
to
the
courthouse
for
some
for
some
purpose
like
how
often
that
is
like
what
what
kind
of
percentage
of
the
clients
here
served
kind
of
combine
those
trips
and
things
like
that.
A
That's
one
of
the
other
questions
I've
had
I,
don't
know
if
there's
any
data
on
that,
but
that
was
just
a
question.
I
had
something
that's
like
very
common
or
happens,
but
isn't
you
know
that
common?
That
kind
of
thing.
B
The
information
from
Paulina
is
that
it's
about
50
to
60
percent
of
the
people
coming
are
served
at
fjc
in
the
courthouse.
In
the
same
day,
okay,.
A
G
Right
all
right,
I
just
want
to
take
a
moment
to
pile
on
an
agreement
with
what
you
said
about
surface
perking
and
that
mapped
image.
We
saw
there's
just
several
Acres
of
surface
parking,
just
burning
a
hole
and
tax
rolls
of
Asheville
and
Buncombe
County,
and
we're
not
used
utilizing
our
space
very
well
in
our
community.
We're
running
out
of
space.
I
D
D
A
I
mean
I
I,
think
that's
really
interesting.
I
mean
for
the
downtown
that
we
have
today.
The
building
that's
built
there
today
is
not
what
will
be
built
there
today.
If
you
had
a
clean
slate
right,
it's
a
very
Suburban
design.
You
know,
frankly,
not
the
highest.
It
wasn't
really
built
to
be
like
a
a
long
enduring.
A
Building
is
my
sense
of
it
so
but
I
mean
anyway,
I
would
just
say:
I'd
be
open
to
exploring
such
ideas
either
whenever
that
might
make
sense,
I
mean,
obviously
you
don't
want
to
spend
a
ton
of
money
and
then
and
then
immediately
turn
around
and
like
build
something
new,
but
I.
Think
it's
a
really
interesting
idea
for
thinking
about.