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From YouTube: Board of Commissioners Regular Meeting (May 16, 2017)
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Buncombe County Board of Commissioners meeting from May 16, 2017.
A
Like
the
call
to
may
16th
2017
meeting
of
the
Buncombe
County
Commission
to
order,
thank
you
all
for
being
with
us
this
evening.
Our
first
order
of
business
is
the
Pledge
of
Allegiance
and
I'd
like
to
ask
the
members
of
Boy
Scouts
of
America
troop
61
to
please
come
forward
and
lead
us
in
the
Pledge
of
Allegiance
this
evening.
We're
very
glad
to
have
you
with
us
so
guys
come
on
up
and
I'll.
Ask
everyone
else
to
please
rise
or
joining
the
Pledge.
B
A
A
A
Thank
you,
I
will
now
read
the
ethics
reminder
to
the
Board
of
Commissioners,
which
is
simply
asking
if
there
is
any
item
on
the
agenda.
The
County
Commission
agenda
this
evening,
the
outcome
of
which
will
have
a
direct,
substantial
and
readily
identifiable
financial
impact
for
any
board
members
and
does
any
board
member
have
a
financial
interest
in
any
public
contract
coming
before
the
board.
Today,
there
being
none
all
board,
members
have
a
duty
and
obligation
to
vote
on
all
matters
coming
before
the
board.
This
evening,
we'll
now
move
on
to
public
comment.
A
The
time
limit
for
individual
public
comment
at
our
board
meeting
this
evening
is
three
minutes.
If
your
time
expires,
you
may
leave
a
question
along
with
your
name
address
and
phone
number
with
the
county
manager
board.
Members
are
not
expected
to
comment
on
any
matters
during
the
public
comment
period.
This
is
your
time
to
speak
to
us.
The
board
reserves
the
right
to
deny
public
address
on
any
subject.
That's
been
previously
presented
to
the
board
during
the
same
meeting.
A
Just
one
note,
in
addition
to
the
public
comment
period
now,
we
also
expect
to
have
public
comment
on
the
economic
development
coalition
public
hearing.
We
also
expect
to
vote
on
the
Memorandum
of
Understanding
this
evening.
So
we'll
take
public
comment
on
that.
If
there
is
a
motion,
are
there
any
members
who
would
like
to
speak
during
the
board
at
this
time?
Yes,
ma'am.
H
Good
evening
my
name
is
Marsha
Bromberg
and
I,
president
of
Friends
of
Connect
Buncombe,
a
greenway
advocacy
group.
So
I
want
to
talk
to
you
a
little
bit
about
greenways.
There
are
many
things,
I
could
say
about
greenways
many
positive
things,
but
I'm
a
retired
finance
person.
So
I'm
going
to
put
on
my
finance
hat
and
talk
to
you
about
greenways
as
an
investment
greenways
have
a
return
when
you
invest
dollars
in
them.
They're,
not
a
sunk
cost.
H
I've
read
one
study
that
said
the
Green
Wave's
in
that
return,
3
to
1
another
study
that
said
the
greenways
return
9
to
1
I,
don't
know
what's
correct,
but
I
do
know
that
when
you
plant
a
Greenway
it
brings
businesses
to
a
community.
It
brings
businesses
that
want
to
locate
near
those
greenways
and
it
brings
new
businesses
that
want
that
kind
of
amenity
for
their
employees
and
for
themselves,
and
when
you
plant
a
Greenway,
it
increases
real-estate
values.
H
One
real
estate
agent
in
Tennessee,
said
she
thought
it
added
as
much
as
10
to
25
thousand
dollars
to
a
value
the
house
to
be
near
a
Greenway
and
developers
like
to
place
their
developments
near
greenways
that
well
as
well.
They
understand
from
another
study
that
greenways
are
the
second
most
requested
amenity
for
new
homebuyers
and
greenways,
as
commissioner
Belcher
mentioned,
before,
extend
that
part
concept
that
he
is
so
high
on
way
out
into
the
community,
because
communities
greenways
are
in
their
own
way,
linear
parks.
H
Think
some
of
the
other
Commission
some
of
the
commissioners
here
have
done
so
as
well,
but
am
I
going
to
South
Carolina
and
spending
my
money
there
when
people
in
South
Carolina
should
be
coming
to
Buncombe
County
to
ride
our
green
waves
along
the
French,
Broad
and
Swannanoa
rivers
and
spend
their
dollars
in
our
community.
So
again,
green
waves
are
an
investment.
So
when
you're
considering
your
budget,
don't
think
that
you're
just
giving
money
away
for
something.
H
I
I
have
reminiscent
of
transmat,
be
anybody.
You
remember
transmitting
contract,
the
county
sided,
have
pictures
of
the
household
internet
tract,
didn't
have
a
termination
clause
in
it
and
now
Google
has
those
pictures
for
free
I
would
give
me
one,
but
I,
don't
think
you
go
inside
schedule.
Anything
yes,
but
I
would
like
to
have
any
place
and
I
see.
You
started
my.
J
I
While
I
was
walking
around
distributing
that,
so
basically,
let's
summarize
real
quickly,
I
went
through
this
metal
rental
agreement
and
I
find
that
we
have
a
situation
where
we
can
transmit
information
to
secure
data
room
as
you're
going
to
have
the
public
informed.
We
also
going
to
have
a
third
party
contract
involved
and
that
third
party
compact
does
concede
cannot
be
asked
about
their
trade
secrets
or
proprietary
information.
So
they
can
say
anything
is
proprietary
and
we
can't
get
it.
I
It
also
says
that
Duke
Energy
is
going
to
provide
an
attorney
if
anybody
students
to
get
open
records
I
have
you
got
to
build?
Well,
we
don't
know
Trump
to
build
a
wall
between
us
and
Mexico,
but
you're
going
to
build
a
wall
around
this
memorandum
and
around
this
business
deal
that
the
citizens
can't
penetrate
next
question.
All
the
solar
panels
going
to
come
from
China.
We
just
had
a
major
company
in
England
go
bankrupt
because
they
did
not
get
grant
money
and
we
know
the
solar
panels
are
beneficial
simply
because
of
tax
write-offs.
I
When
you
car
gets
a
tax
write-off
who
has
to
pay
those
taxes,
the
average
working
man
now,
if
Duke
power
goes
down
there
and
we
decide,
we
want
to
sue
for
information
and
they
have
to
hire
an
attorney
who
pays
but
the
taxpayer
the
middle
class
they
get
hit
from
both
sides.
It
leaves
citizens
hanging
out
to
dry.
I
I
Have
it
right
here,
Department
of
Secretary
of
the
state,
the
limited
liability
corporation,
which
means
they're
only
limited
for
the
responsibility,
is
a
North
Carolina
corporation,
not
even
listed
in
South
Carolina,
but
whether
on
the
fire,
South
Carolina
and
that
memorandum
I'm
looking
at
you
new
commissioners,
I
suggest
you
delay
the
vote
on
this
to
those
questions
that
I
presented
to
you.
That's
taken
about
four
hours
to
go
through
and
compare
our
answered.
A
So
I
know
I
said
normally
we're
not
going
to
respond
it
I
do
want
to
just
make
one
comment.
Mr.
Elkin
can
I
give
you
something
mr.
Elton
there
has
been
just
since
you
brought
it
up.
I
just
want
to
give
this.
You
announced
that
you're
interested
in
this
there
has
been
a
one
proposed
change
to
the
memorandum
of
understanding
and
your
friends
at
the
Asheville.
Citizen
Times
had
some
of
the
same
questions,
and
so
we'll
talk
about
it
when
we
get
to
it,
but.
K
Well,
at
the
last
meeting,
I
had
requested
any
assistance
from
the
commissioners
on
an
issue
related
to
Veterans,
Affairs
and
I
wanted
to
thank
the
county
for
the
the
support
that
was
provided.
We
had
a
meeting
Alice
and
I
with
Fletcher
Cove
who's
new
to
the
county
and
I
think
going
to
do
an
excellent
job
and
I
actually
did
not
hear
Commissioner.
Belcher's
comment
after
I
spoke
in
that
meeting,
suggesting
that
we
might
work
with
a
Congress,
congressman's
office
and
I'm
hoping
to
see
that
process
take
place
and
Fletcher
is
aware
of
that.
K
So
I
wanted
to
thank
the
Commission
for
that,
and
also
regarding
my
comment
of
potentially
being
more
efficient
with
how
we
spend
our
money
to
address
opioids
I
wanted
to
thank
Commissioner
fryer
for
kind
of
crystallizing,
the
ignorance
that
we're
up
against
you
had
in
the
Mountain
Express
article
stated
that
you're
against
all
drugs
I'm
here
to
ask
if
you've
had
a
Tylenol
or
if
you've
ever
had
a
prescription
medication
from
the
pharmaceutical
companies
or
maybe
a
family
member
Commissioner
fryer,
would
like
some
clarification
there.
The
community.
K
This
is
an
issue
about
spending
our
money
more
wisely
and
supporting
local
entrepreneurship
and
business
development,
not
global
companies.
You
know
the
pharmaceutical
brands
that
I
would
have
to
imagine.
You've
participated
in
on
some
level,
so
I
just
am
really
here
to
draw
everybody's
attention
to
this
Mountain
Express
article
that
did
come
out
a
couple
of
weeks
after
I
gave
my
comment
and
that's
all
I
have
for
tonight.
Thank
you.
L
Its
benefit
to
be
around
as
many
years
I
have
around
this
place
and
you
young
whippersnappers,
can
learn
a
lot
and
you
should
have
today's
meeting
should
workshop
should
have
opened
your
eyes,
but
I
saw
something
that
disturbs
me.
I
follow
a
political
line
being
drawn
in
the
sand
today.
I
hope
that
you
all
work
together
for
this
budget
process
and
work
together
to
lower
this
tax
rate
on
the
burden
of
the
people
in
Buncombe
County.
L
This
is
the
greatest
time
we
will
ever
have
to
lower
the
tax
rate
substantially
and
if
we
don't
do
it
now,
the
opportunity's
not
going
to
be
for
a
while.
The
taxpayers
are
suffered
enough.
Let
me
tell
you:
we
come
from
the
12
worst
school.
Just
thick
ends
fought
to
state
or
United.
States.
You've
heard
that
story
to
the
fifty
most
precious
schools
and
the
best
that
you've
ever
seen.
But
what
has
happened?
L
18,000
kids
have
left
our
system.
We
don't
have
a
24,000
some
left
now,
if
we're
going
to
maintain
twenty
eight
million
dollars
in
the
budget
for
two
years
to
repair
these
50
schools
and
we've
got
kids
leaving
and
by
the
droves,
then
what
are
we
going
to
do
with
the
buildings?
I
suggest
that
we
look
into
charter
schools
and
other
homeschoolers
and
find
out
how
we
can
coordinate
some
of
this
stuff
with
them.
L
Two
views
these
buildings
and
use
our
resources
in
a
way
if
they
need
to
pay
okay,
but
at
least
let's
maintain
our
buildings
and
use
these
things
efficiently,
if
possible,
the
Sun
ballensat
Buncombe
County
school,
twelve
million
dollars
and
Yun's
eight
notes
secret
to
what
has
been
going
on
over
there
because
it's
been
coming
in
for
years.
We
need
to
take
that
12
million
dollars
bring
it
back
into
our
general
fund
and
lower
the
tax
rate
where
we
need
to
Lord
for
the
people
this
year,
not
next
year.
L
Welcome
County
is
rolling
in
money
with
time
to
pay
the
taxpayers
back
at
least
a
little
bit
here
and
I
hope
politics
don't
play
into
this
budget
this
year,
like
I,
think
I
saw
a
while
ago
evening,
body
language,
your
body,
language,
tells
more
than
what
you
say
on
your
lip,
and
let
me
tell
you
when
it
comes
down
to
four
three
vote:
you're
gonna
say
well,
Jerry
was
right,
I
hope
you
don't
come
to
that.
I
hope
you
have
sense
enough
to
agree
on
getting
the
tax
payer
some
relief.
Thank
you
very
much.
A
M
So
yeah,
so
what
you're?
Seeing
on
that
budget
amendment
is
really
all
we're
doing
is
just
reclassifying
it.
We're
just
doing
it's
an
accounting
transaction,
so
that
is
for
the
occupancy
tax
fund.
Excuse
me,
so
what
we're
really
doing
is
projecting
the
revenues,
those
those
occupancy
tax
revenues
pass
through
the
county
to
the
TDA
and
so
we're
just
ensuring
that
we
have
enough
budget
there
to
cover
that
what
we
did
I
think
in
previous
budgets.
We
just
had
misclassified
as
as
transfers
when
really
and
truly,
we
should
be
doing
as
economic
development.
N
M
That
yeah,
the
total
amount
of
that
is
fifteen
point
seven
million
dollars,
which
is
just
the
from
the
transfers,
now
we're
just
kind
of
classified
as
a
revenue.
There's
the
administrative
fee,
piece
of
that
which
is
two
hundred
and
thirty
eight
thousand
dollars,
which
is
really
the
piece
that
the
county
charges
for
the
collection
of
those
revenues
and
then
the
six
point.
Six
million
dollars
of
that
is
just
contingency,
because
we
always
sort
have
to
I.
M
That's
them,
and
again,
that
is,
that
is
just
for
our
budgeting
purposes.
What
we're
trying
to
do
with
that
is
again:
it's
not
the
TDA
we're
not
estimating
TDA
revenues
per
se.
That
really
is
sort
of
done
by
the
TDA
side.
We're
just
trying
to
make
sure
that
we
have
enough
budget
in
place
that
we
don't
get
a
budget
non-compliance
when
it
comes
to
doing
the
financial
statements
at
the
end
of
the
year.
M
Right
so
in
inter
low
occupancy
tax
is
six
percent
hotel
tax
that
we
have
on
our
overnight
stays
with
hotels,
and
so
we
as
the
county,
the
hotels,
will
pay
that
tax
to
us.
It
is
in
our
occupancy
tax
fund
and
we
turn
around
and
distribute
that
money
straight
to
the
Tourism
Development
Authority
and
by
contract.
We
keep
it
collection
fees
for
doing
all
with
all
the
collections
and
the
financial
transactions
of
that
three.
M
So
they
for
it
fun
right
so
for
the
use
of
that
3/4
of
those
revenues
go
for
the
marketing
of
tourism
in
the
area.
I
think
as
they
put
it,
that
is
putting
heads
and
beds,
is
what
their
ultimate
goal
is
and
the
other
quarter.
25
percent
of
those
revenues
go
to
their
product.
What
is
a
product
development
fund
which
is
going
for
capital
projects
that
will
encourage
tourism
in
the
area
and
I?
Think
recently,
within
the
last,
was
the
last
couple
of
years.
A
A
Second
great
there's
a
motion
in
a
second
all
in
further
discussion,
all
in
favor,
please
say
aye
aye.
Thank
you
all
right.
Next
up
is
recognition
of
the
Buncombe
County
Special
Olympics
and
Josh
O'conner,
and
his
staff
are
with
us
to
talk
to
us
about
this
great
event.
I
just
took
place
in
our
community.
J
So
I
feel,
like
y'all,
probably
heard
enough
for
me
today,
so
I
actually
brought
some
of
our
athletes
along
to
explain
a
little
bit
about
the
program
and
the
athletes
that
we
have
here
in
the
first
two
rows,
not
only
competed
in
our
annual
spring
games,
which
brings
about
500
athletes
and
a
thousand
volunteers
collectively
to
TC
Robbins
Robertson
every
year,
but
they're
also
members
of
our
year-round
training
program,
so
I'm
going
to
ask
them
to
come
up
with,
along
with
Lynn
who's,
hiding
back
there
and
share
a
couple
of
words
with
you.
Awesome.
O
A
Q
P
R
My
name
is
auntie
Martinez
I've
been
I'm
28
years
old,
I've
North
Carolina
become
County,
Special
Olympics
I
spent
height
in
high
school
I
did
not
know
that
Special
Olympics
could
go
after
high
school
now,
and
it
gives
me
power
to
go
special
in
things
that
I
would
not
have
overcome.
Thank
you.
Thank.
S
S
S
You
did
the
same
job
as
my
dad
did,
but
but
there's
no
longer
well
he's
a
retired
firefighter
that
is
but
he's
retired,
but
it
I
just
want
to
thank
the
policemen
and
the
firefighters
what
they
do
for
putting
their
lives
on
the
line
for
this
country
as
well
and
I.
Think
they
deserve
more
of
a
hand
than
me
because
they
do
it
I
mean
I
mean
they
do
a
grateful
job.
So
I
appreciate
them
as
much,
but
thank
you
all
again.
Thank
you.
J
H
E
Hi
Sean
I,
being
especially
at
this
since
I
was
a
young
kid.
15
years
old
and
Malaya
I
used
to
being
in
a
bowling
team
in
Aiken
and
I,
moved
to
add
for
Nordica
kick
note,
Club
and
then
I
got
go
up.
Some
novice
a
baby,
not
68.
My
birthday's
in
open
between
appear
I
have
friends
from
connecting
high
I
have
friends
as
my
family
and
I
support.
My
family
and
I
support
my
team
mates
here,
because
I
thought
I,
loved
him
and
I
went
to
jail
when
just
a
thank
you.
J
And
I'd
also
like
to
recognize
Susan
Pele
Susan
is
a
volunteer
at
the
program
and
should
be
taken.
Our
contingent
of
athletes
and
parents
I
think
we
have
about
70
people
on
the
books
at
the
moment,
down
to
the
state
Summer
Games
in
just
a
couple
weeks,
so
she's
very
instrumental
in
making
everything
happen
as
well.
C
N
I
want
to
make
a
comment:
I
appreciate,
Josh
him
and
the
team
have
had
an
opportunity
to
attend
these
events
for
for
several
years,
and
watch
athletes
have
opportunity
to
take
my
grandson
over
to
to
play.
Kick
we
had
a
kickball
tournament
over
near
the
and-
and
you
don't
want
to
do
not
underestimate
any
of
these
athletes.
I
can
tell
you
and
do
not
get
in
front
of
them
if
they're
going
after
a
kickball.
N
I
can
tell
you
that,
but
have
the
opportunity
with
this
past,
because
about
a
week
ago
to
go
over
to
TC
and
see
the
they
said.
500
athletes
there
and
their
families-
and
these
are
these-
are
these-
are
people
that
go
to
my
church
go
to
your
church?
We
just
run
into
them
all
the
time
and
I
did
not
know
it
was
that
big
and
until
I
become
a
commissioner
but
commissioners
Whitesides
and
commissioner
Ferrara
was
there
and
I
know
the
Commissioner
frost
has
been
before
too
so,
but
it
was
wonderful
and
I
was
glad.
N
A
T
All
right
we're
good
all
right,
Thank,
You,
commissioners
I
appreciate
you
letting
me
be
here
max.
Maybe
we
could
pull
up
the
presentation,
but
let
me
do
it
all
so
these
are
amazing
athletes
and
I
appreciate
you
letting
them
be
here
as
well.
They're,
fantastic,
so
venti,
executive
director
of
the
economic
development
coalition
and
kind
of
per
the
state
statutes
need
to
have
a
public
hearing.
So
I
want
to
start
off
and
just
kind
of
tell
you
a
little
bit
about
who
we
are.
What
we
do.
T
The
economic
development
coalition
were:
seven
people
we're
a
division
of
the
Chamber
of
Commerce,
we're
very
proud
of
our
staff
for
being
an
accredited
economic
development
organization.
It's
actually
only
53
in
the
entire
world.
It's
a
standards
of
excellence
that
we've
met
and
I'm,
proud
of
them
for
the
job
that
they've
done,
but
those
seven
people
are
divided
into
four
different
areas:
that's
research,
entrepreneurship,
recruitment,
existing
business
expansion,
but
overall,
our
job
is
to
create
good
jobs
and
capital
investment
to
sustain
the
level
of
community
that
we
have.
T
T
Why
is
this
important
because
use
the
county
government
get
to
leverage
through
the
public-private
partnership,
the
private
sector,
this
million
dollar
budget,
there's
about
a
third
of
that
comes
from
government
funding,
which
includes
the
city
and
the
county,
and
two-thirds
of
that
right
now
comes
from
from
the
private
sector.
We
love
for
those
percentages,
maybe
to
balance
out
just
a
little
bit
more,
but
of
that
funding.
The
county
has
long
been
a
significant
partner
in
economic
development
coalition.
If
you
see
the
graph
here
for
decades,
this
is
from
2001
to
2017.
T
The
County
Commission
has
has
been
a
substantial
investor
in
economic
development
for
a
long
time.
The
question
is:
what
do
we
do
with
that
funds
and
what
kind
of
return
did
we
provide
you
for
that
investment?
So
this
is
a
graph
just
to
quickly
explain.
The
blue
is
the
investment
in
the
EDC
over
time.
You
can
see.
2017
is
300,000
there,
but
the
green
is
the
property
direct
property
taxes
paid
from
our
just
our
EDC
client
projects.
T
That
is
the
the
money
that
is
paetynn,
of
course,
that
you
know
you
do
a
20
million
dollar
project.
It
doesn't
all
happen
all
at
one
time,
so
you
had
to
have
some
simplicity
to
the
graph,
but
they
continued
to
pay
that
over
time.
So
it
accumulates.
So
you
can
see
what
that
direct
property
tax
investment
looks
like
there's
things,
do
not
include
it
in
here,
like
sales,
tax,
employment,
tax,
those
sorts
of
things.
T
But
that
is
a
very
significant
benefit
so
how
we
held
accountable
for
our
metrics
in
our
return
on
investment
every
single
month
we
I
say
we
run
the
gauntlet
of
both
the
EDC
board
members,
which
includes
al
there's,
the
the
County
Commission
and
fast
as
a
commissioner
frost,
has
served
on
that,
but
also
the
chamber
board
and
chairman
Newman
serves
on
that,
but
but
really
60
executives
from
the
community.
Look
over
our
shoulder
every
single
month
to
say
what
are
you
doing
with
your
budget?
What
are
you
doing
your
marketing
plan?
T
What
are
we
going
to
do
in
the
future
if,
with
dollars
that
you
give
us,
maybe
a
five
by
five
plan
is
very
spelled
out.
Our
goal
is
six
hundred
fifty
million
dollars
worth
of
capital
investment,
three
thousand
direct
jobs
with
an
added
hurdle
of
an
average
wage
that
we're
shooting
for
a
fifty
thousand
dollars
a
year,
those
wages
and
then
fifty
high-growth
companies
where
either
we
will
help
them
find
ten
million
dollars
of
equity
investment
or
through
the
actual
angels.
We
will
invest
that
in
them.
T
This
is
where
we
get
that
information
from,
but
also
you
may
see
other
things
out
there,
for
example,
and
sometimes
the
music
impact
of
what
is
how
does
music
impact
our
economy?
We
were
the
ones
that
quantify
that
cost
of
living.
That
is
actually
us
going
out
there
and
measuring
goods.
How
much
is
milk
this
month?
How
much
is
we
are
the
ones
that
provide
that
information?
It's
not
this
data
ether,
but
it's
really
are
our
efforts
that
do
that
and
the
business
planning
and
small
businesses
needing
information.
T
We
are
really
the
go-to
source
of
information
for
that
existing
business
and
talent
development.
Sixty-Five
percent
of
our
economic
development
announcements
come
from
existing
companies,
so
we
have
to
have
relationships.
We
are
very
methodical
about
knocking
on
their
doors
in
forming
relationships
when
I
got
to
go
a
tour.
A
few.
With
a
few
of
you
recently,
you
saw
the
level
of
relationships
that
we
have
with
those
companies
that
are
there.
I
will
point
out
our
talent
development
initiative.
All
of
those
universities,
you
see,
highlighted
right.
T
There
are
signed
on
board
with
what
we're
doing
for
help
helping
us
lead
an
effort
to
get
college
graduates
to
stay
in
this
market
and
matriculate
into
the
workforce.
Venture
asheville
I
told
you
a
little
bit
about
the
sub
market
or
the
sub
brand.
That's
out
there
aimed
at
high-growth
entrepreneurs,
particularly
just
pointing
at
a
couple
of
those.
We
have
26
different
companies
in
our
program
right
now,
but
really,
if
you
look
at
the
bottom
line,
they're
creating
a
job
board
for
those
high
growth,
high
salary
jobs.
T
We
look
to
fill
a
hundred
of
those
jobs
this
next
year.
Here's
just
a
few
logos
of
the
companies
that
we've
worked
with
over
this
last
year
with
Inventure
Asheville
kind
of
rounding.
This
out,
though,
we're
at
a
point
where
we
have
eaten
into
our
private
sector
dollars
and
really
leaned
on
them
in
a
very
significant
way.
We
would
love
to
be
able
to
have
a
return
to
our
2015
dollars
that
you
see
here
on
the
graphic
in
order
to
continue
to
advance
our
mission
in
the
robust
way
that
we
have
so
I
know.
A
Thank
you
any
initial
questions
for
mr.
Teague,
like
we
could
have
the
public
hearing
and
then
pushing
the
other
questions
after
that,
we'll
be
chance.
I
think
we're
good
for
now
on
going
to
open
the
public
hearing
on
the
resolution
authorizing
Buncombe
County
to
make
an
appropriation
for
economic
development
purposes,
to
the
Economic
Development
Coalition
for
Asheville
in
Buncombe
County,
and
just
for
clarity
as
well.
There
is
a
dollar
figure
in
here,
but
we
are
not
necessarily
bound
to
that
we're
going
through
our
budget
process.
A
That
number
could
change
so
just
because
there's
a
dollar
figure
in
here.
That
does
not
mean
that
through
our
budget
process,
that
number
cannot
be
changed,
but
we'll
have
a
public
hearing
now.
So
are
there
any
members
of
the
public
I'll
open
that
at
35
any
members
of
the
public
who
would
like
to
speak
mr.
Hilton.
I
I
Don't
under
you
all
at
all,
because
you're
looking
to
request
from
them
you're
looking
to
request
in
the
school's
the
fire
departments
are
here
tonight,
requesting
the
rate
kind
of
stayed
the
same
and
the
average
property
value
increase
in
Buncombe.
How
much
I
think
20%,
so
you've
got
to
figure
out
what
the
tax
rate
is
taking
into
account
all
that
money
that
you
spent
in
the
past
all
those
dollars
it
brought
in
on
that
green
chart
right,
because
if
that
green
chart
doesn't
effect
the
taxpayers
of
Buncombe
County,
why
would
we
invest
in
it?
I
You
try
to
do
that
when
your
property
taxes
are
eight
and
nine
hundred
dollars
a
year
and
your
insurance
is
three
and
four
hundred
dollars
a
year
just
to
cover
your
investment,
and
you
have
a
renter
move
out
and
does
five
thousand
dollars
in
damage
you
try
to
do
it
so
just
remember
all
that
green
money
after
I
didn't
see
it
affect
me.
One
bit.
L
L
About
several
things,
number
one
Don
touched
on
some
things.
It
says
the
taxis
when
you
live
in
a
county
that
the
hospitals
nonprofits,
you
don't
get
no
tax
base
from
them.
You
got
schools
no
tax
base
from
them.
You
got
your
own
government
here,
no
tax
base
from
you
and
you
have
EDC
coming
for
money
to
raise
all
these
multi-millions
of
dollars.
Investment
to
make
things
better,
I'd
like
to
know
why
we
are
getting
poorer
and
poorer
with
our
children
and
DFS
is
growing
by
leaps
and
bounds.
L
If
all
this
investment
that
we're
hearing
about
you
know
who
wants
to
hear
negatives
all
the
time
you
get
enough
of
slaps
on
the
back
and
Pat's
on
the
back
of
all
these
things
that's
coming
in
here
and
how
good
they
are
three
minutes
of
negativity.
You
can
take
this,
but
I
want
you
to
realize.
There's
something
wrong
with
this
picture,
when
Bob
Engle
is
a
highest
one
in
the
county
for
tax
bases,
doing
the
food
joints
become
the
tithe
tax
base.
That
shows
that
tourism
is
doing
their
job
donuts.
L
So
we
need
to
really
realize
what
EDC
really
is
about
if
they
was
producing
what
it
should
be
producing.
We
would
be
lowering
our
tax
property
for
sure
we
wouldn't
have
the
size
of
government
that
we
have
either
so
I.
Want
you
to
stop
and
think
about
this.
This
is
affecting
real
people
and
their
lives
at
the
very
heart
of
what
we
should
be
trying
to
do
and
that's
helping
the
poor.
Thank
you.
A
Thank
you.
Anyone
else
all
right,
seeing
no
others
I'm
going
to
close
the
public
hearing
at
5:41
p.m.
and
I
don't
believe.
We
need
to
take
any
action
at
this
time.
The
requirements
night
we
simply
to
hold
the
public
hearing
this
item,
along
with
others,
will
be
voted
on
as
part
of
the
budget
process
in
June.
A
C
A
A
U
Mr.
chairman
County
Commissioners,
we
want
to
thank
you
for
this
opportunity
to
be
here
tonight.
We
also
want
to
thank
you
for
the
service
that
you
show
the
students
of
the
Buncombe
County.
A
reason
for
being
here
tonight
is,
it's
already
been
stated,
is
for
tax
purposes.
We
had
to
submit
our
budgets
from
April
18th
and
we
were
told
at
any
rate
above
the
revenue
neutral
rate.
We
would
need
to
come
before
the
county
commissioners.
So
that
is
why
we
are
here.
U
The
fire
chiefs
of
this
county
have
worked
diligently
to
come
up
with
a
thing
that
has
been
affecting
us
for
the
past
10
years
in
this
county.
Dr.
green
has
gotten
copies
of
it
looks
like
she's
passed
them
around.
My
attempt
is
to
give
you
an
overview
of
that,
but
my
colleagues
are
here
to
answer
any
questions
that
you
may
have
in
regards
to
their
individual
budgets.
U
We
all
have
a
suspense
if
ik
Drive
that
drives
our
budget,
okay,
but
we're
all
in
the
same
boat.
We
all
collect
our
revenues
from
the
same
same
area
and
we
all
have
to
follow
the
same
guidelines.
The
fire
service
bump
County
is
extremely
proud,
protect
the
citizens,
our
County,
with
exceptional
service.
However,
it's
been
a
facing
several
issues
over
the
past
10
years.
That
significant
impact
to
the
cost
of
maintaining
the
levels
of
service
which
are
expected
and
have
been
difficult
to
maintain
the
budget
process
is
never
easy.
U
Therefore,
at
four
forces
that
are
on
from
the
outside
that
push
our
budgets
and
I'd
like
to
mention
those
to
you
now,
the
first
one
is
north
counterpart
of
insurance,
no
account
part
of
insurance
rates,
fire
departments
across
this
state.
They
rate
you
from
us
class,
1,
Fire,
Department
to
a
class
10
Fire,
Department
class
10,
meaning
you
are
unprotected
as
insurance.
U
Your
fire
department
does
not
meet
the
minimum
requirements
to
be
rated
in
a
state,
so
those
citizens
pay
a
class
ten
insurance
on
their
premium,
one
being
the
best
doesn't
necessarily
mean
you
have
the
best
department.
It
just
means
that
you
have
shown
the
department
insurance.
You
have
enough
equipment.
You
have
enough
buildings,
they
are
distributed
correctly
across
your
community
and
you
have
reached
maintained
the
one
rating
collectively
in
Buncombe
County.
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That's
only
we
can
do
it
bulkan
counties
to
work
together
because
we
can
not
do
like
the
big
municipalities
across
this
state
and
how
a
bunch
of
people
and
buy
a
bunch
of
trucks
and
put
fire
stations
on
every
street
corner.
We
can't
do
that
in
Buncombe,
County,
so
collectively
in
Buncombe
County.
We
have
been
able
to
work
together
and
give
an
average
classification
of
a
five
and
you
think
what
does
that
mean?
That
means
that
the
insurance
premiums
in
this
county
are
based
on
a
classification.
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Five
over
the
last
ten
years,
that's
been
about
a
fifty
million
dollar
savings
and
insurance
premiums
to
our
citizens
that
we
serve
now.
You
think
well,
fifty
million
dollars-
that's
that's
a
pretty
big
number,
but
it's
across
the
county.
So
let's
go
a
little
bit
personal.
Let's
take
my
house,
for
example,
in
Swannanoa
2013.
This
105
part
was
a
class
five
fire
department.
We
were
class
5/9,
meaning
that
any
house
within
a
thousand
feet
of
five
hundred
and
within
five
miles
our
face
that
fire
station
paid
a
class
five.
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Anybody
outside
that
thousand
feet
paid
a
class
9
2013
we
requested
apartment
insurance,
come
in
and
inspect
us.
We
lowered
our
classification
down
to
a
class
four
all
across
the
board.
So
that
means
that
everybody
within
five
miles
of
a
fire
station
would
pay
a
class
for
insurance.
My
house
went
from
a
five
to
a
four
I
say:
seventy
one
dollars
in
my
insurance.
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If
you
want
a
real
number
there's
there's
the
real
number
I
asked
an
agent
today
in
Buncombe
County,
to
give
me
an
idea
of
someone
who
lived
in
the
Long
Branch
community
of
Swannanoa,
who
are
paying
a
class
nine
insurance.
When
we
went
to
a
class
four,
what
did
that
represent
datings?
He
said
easily
$300
easily
$300
on
one
house
when
I
say
collectively,
I
really
mean
we
work
together
and
nothing
more
so
than
last
fall
in
a
Broad
River
community
of
this
county.
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When
we
were
told
that
the
fire
that
occurred
in
Rutherford
County
had
two
days
before
it
got
the
Buncombe
County
and
arrived
in
six
hours,
so
what
did
the
Buncombe
County
Fire
Department's
do
what
we
do
best
we
got
together.
We
went
to
Broad
River
and
we
saved
a
bunch
of
houses
and
I'm
going
to
tell
you
and
if
I
get
intro
for
saying
this
in
public
I'll
take
the
blame.
The
Forest
Service
wanted
to
write
off
a
lot
of
houses.
They
were
going
to
take
a
stand.
It
brought
at
number
nine.
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U
Let's
look
at
another
thing:
the
Department
of
Insurance
National,
Fire,
Protection
Association,
the
power
of
insurance
tells
me
what
I
am
supposed
to
have
in
my
community
to
maintain
that
class
for
the
National
Fire
Protection
Association
tells
me
at
what
standard
I
have
to
have
that
equipment.
There's
three
standards
and
we'll
talk
to
you
about
tonight.
The
first
one
is
NFPA
1911
NRP
1911
is
standard
on
inspection,
maintenance
and
testing
and
replacement
of
insurgency
service
apparatus,
NFPA,
1710
and
1720.
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They
have
a
direct
impact
on
the
fire
departments
across
the
state,
but
sometimes
that
no
cost
this
year
could
be
a
little
bit
different.
So
some
people
may
say
well:
what's
a
tax
rate
have
to
do
with
the
insurance
rate
and
have
to
do
with
standards?
Well,
our
revenue
stream
and
the
fire
department's
is
the
tax
rate,
and
we
use
that
revenue
to
meet
the
regulations
set
forth
by
Department
insurance
and
to
try
to
meet
the
standards
that
are
set
forth
by
the
National
Fire
Protection
Association,
and
this
year
what
the
General
Assembly
may
do.
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Nfpa
1911
on
apparatus,
chapter
five
of
that
standard
states
that
any
emergency
apparatus
that
does
not
meet
the
current
safety
requirements
and
those
safety
requirements
are
limited
to
passenger
restraint,
visibility,
EPA
requirements,
and
that
list
goes
on
and
on
appendix
do
that
same
standard
states
that
any
apparatus
does
not
meet
the
current
standard
or
is
more
than
25
years.
Old
needs
to
be
replaced.
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Currently
right
now,
Vulcan
County
fire
departments
have
15
million
dollars
worth
of
equipment
that
does
not
meet
the
current
standard,
so
want
to
know.
I
have
two
vehicles
that
are
over
30
years
old.
Now
we
have
prided
ourselves
and
keeping
those
things
running,
but
now
it's
coming
to
the
time
whether
or
not
that
reliable
and
they're
not
sitting
in
a
bay
as
a
reserve,
they
are
actually
trying
to
be
used
on
a
day
to
day
basis.
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U
Nfpa
1710
and
1720,
that
is,
deployment
of
emergency
personnel.
That
standards
basically
says
that
you
will
have
enough
personnel
on
duty
to
be
able
to
maintain
all
the
job
functions
that
are
required
at
the
scene
of
a
structure
fire
and
those.
Some
of
those
job
functions
are
not
in
our
ventilation.
Fire
suppression,
rescue
exposure
protection,
so
those
are
some
things
that
we
have
to
have
enough
people
to
do
the
perfect
scenario.
In
that
situation
we
just
have
an
all
pay
fire
department,
put
14
people,
honest,
honest
every
shift
and
you
wouldnt
have
to
worry
about.
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You
know
what
that
would
cost.
No
I'm,
not
here
asking
you
for
that.
Absolutely
not
and
I
will
in
my
tenure
as
fire
chief
will
not
ask
for
that.
But
you
know
the
volunteers
were
the
backbone
of
our
organizations
and
the
Buncombe
County
scenario.
Here
we
try
to
supplement
our
paid
staff
with
our
volunteers,
but
unfortunately,
the
last
30
years,
the
National
Volunteer
Fire
Council,
has
reported
that
the
Volunteer
Fire
Service
in
the
country
has
declined.
While
the
incidents
have
tripled
the
responses
have
tripled.
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In
the
last
30
years,
there's
been
an
uptick
since
2011
volunteer
fire
service,
but
not
enough
to
offset
the
need
for
the
people
that
we
have
too
so
more
and
more.
The
County
fire
departments
are
going
to
paid
staff,
whether
it
be
a
full-time
or
a
part-time
employee
that
has
led
to
over
a
hundred
and
sixteen
percent
increase
in
personnel
cost.
In
the
last
10
years
in
2006
there
was
411
career
firefighters
in
Buncombe
County.
That
number
today
stands
at
512
and
we
we
do
that
because
we
have
to
meet
that
standard.
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We
do
that
because
we
don't
have
the
people
we
do
that
together,
because
that's
the
only
option
we
have
here
in
this
county.
That's
why
you'll
see
a
Swannanoa
truck
in
Black,
Mountain
you'll,
see
a
rifle
truck
in
Reynolds,
inka
truck
and
Skyland.
Sometimes
you'll
even
see
a
Skyland
truck
Swannanoa.
That's
the
only
way
we
can
meet
those
standards
that.
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116
percent
increase,
that's
talking
about
salaries,
taxes,
requirements
and
retirement
for
those
departments
that
offer
retirement,
not
all
departments
offer
the
repay
retirement.
That
is
not
counting
the
fact
that
health
insurance
has
been
up
125
percent
for
Buncombe
County
fire
departments
in
the
last
10
years.
There
is
no
idea
of
what's
going
to
happen
in
2018
or
the
next
10
years.
I
know
that
in
Swannanoa
our
insurance
right
now
our
agents
said
we're
probably
looking
at
about
a
30
percent
increase
from
17
to
18.
So.
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This
year,
our
municipal
fire
departments
and
two
of
our
County
fire
departments,
West
Buncombe
and
Scotland-
are
going
to
have
a
direct
cost
related
to
House
bill
340
and
House
bill.
340
is
a
separation
allowance
for
firefighters,
which
basically
says
that
firefighter
works
30
years
of
service.
He
can
retire
if
he
is
on
local
government
retirement
or
state
retirement,
he
can
retire
30
years
of
service
and
his
employer
will
pay
85
107
percent
of
his
average
salary
until
he
reaches
the
age
of
62.
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Now
that's
a
separation
allowance
that
law
enforcement
has
had
since
1980.
This
bill
is
introduced
into
the
House
by
the
Professional
Firefighters
Association
of
North
Carolina.
It
passed
the
House
112
to
nothing
now
sits
over
in
the
Senate
pronounced
in
the
Senate
Rules
Committee,
not
sure
where
it's
going
to
move
from
this
from
there.
But
if
this
bill
passes
any
municipal
fire
departments,
black
mountain--,
we
Ashville,
scotland
and
west
Buncombe
will
be
on
the
hook
to
pay
their
firefighters
who
retire
after
30
years
of
credible
service
separation
allowance
they
reach
age
of
62.
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Now
we
had
a
conversation
with
dr.
green
several
months
ago
and
I
had
the
opportunity
to
tell
her
that
about
the
House
bill
340
and
she
goes
well
I'm
glad
we
don't
have
any
firefighters,
but
they
added
EMS
workers
and
fire
marshals
to
that
bill.
So
guess
who
may
be
with
us
so
so
I
just
want
to.
Let
you
know
about
that.
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There's
no
way
in
our
short
time
here
tonight
that
I
can
go
over
each
individual
thing.
I
didn't
talk
about
maintenance
of
vehicles,
I
didn't
talk
about
maintenance
of
buildings,
and,
while
some
of
us
are
in
different
seats
of
this
boat,
we're
driving
here
we're
all
in
the
same
boat
we're
all
rolling
it
together.
We've
done
our
best
over
the
last
several
years
to
do
more
with
less
that's
why
you
haven't
seen
us
until
now.
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U
While
we
continue
to
meet
the
demands
placed
upon
us.
The
fire
part
of
this
county
have
provided
citizens
with
the
best
service
possible
and
we
are
very
proud
of
our
accomplishment,
but
none
of
those
accomplishments
could
have
been
possible
without
the
help
from
each
other
and
want
the
help
of
our
County
Commissioners.
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According
to
the
department
Ernst,
it's
a
two
hundred
and
seventy
hours
is
what
is
the
max
that
you
get
credit
on
and
so
our
paid
staff
that
work
there
their
schedules
I
mean
they
can
pretty
much
get
that.
But
volunteers
there's
no
way
right.
Now
we
don't
have
any
places
from
the
work
in
our
communities,
some
of
us
don't
till
those
volunteer
or
having
to
go
elsewhere
to
get
jobs.
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So
you
go
work
a
40-hour
week,
job
in
another
community
and
you
come
back
and
we're
going
to
ask
you
put
two
hundred
seven
hours
worth
of
training
and
probably
about
200
to
300
hours
worth
of
responding
to
calls
adding
500
more
hours
to
your
already
busy
schedule.
That's
why
you
see
a
decline
in
the
volunteer
fire
service?
So
now,
does
everybody
meet
that
270?
No,
no
ma'am
they
don't
they
don't
meet
that
we
do
our
best.
So
we
try
to
put
our
best
our
best
foot
forward
in
training.
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B
U
It's
that
right,
no,
what
happens
is
is
different.
Municipalities
and
different
informants
may
offer
their
retirees
a
different
package
leave
I
know
with
the
city
of
Asheville
the
city
of
Asheville,
used
to
offer
one
say
a
firefighter
retired.
They
were
offered
healthcare
right.
Anybody
hired
after
2012
does
not
get
that
now,
because
this
came
to
cost
too
costly
for
the
city
to
do
that.
I'm,
not
sure
exactly
what
Black
Mountain
offers
I
do
think
they
offer
health
care
to
their
employees,
so
they
reach
them.
Medicare
right.
B
U
U
Ma'am
there
is
I
mean
you
got
a
look
at
it:
fighting
fire,
it's
a
dangerous
profession,
you're
going
into
1500
degree
heat
carrying
a
80
pounds
of
extra
weight
on
you
and
and
you're
going
into
cancer-causing
agents.
So
there's
a
push
now
from
the
NFPA
to
say
that
every
fire
fire
fight
across
this
country
should
have
two
sets
of
turnout
gear.
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So
when
they
go
into
a
structure
fire
tonight
that
turnout
gear
comes
off,
it
goes
in
the
washing
machine
and
they
have
another
set
to
continue
well
turn
out
here,
right
now
cost
$3,000
or
said
so
by
each
firefighter.
Two
sets
of
turnout
gear
is
costly
and
that's
a
part
of
our
plan
and
small
noise
just
replace
some
turnout
gear.
So
yes,
it
is
it's
a
dangerous
job
and
that's
why
that
30-year
thing
is
there
right?
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B
U
B
U
So
some
other
departments
may
have
a
little
bit
more
than
that
as
well
know.
We
have
five
full-time
and
we
try
to
supplement
with
one
part-timer,
but
we
don't
really
can't
in
a
way
try
to
fulfill
if
people
take
a
day
off.
So
we
try
to
have
a
minimum
staffing
of
five,
sometimes
we'll
go
to
four,
but
that's
why
you
know
if
we're
two
calls
deep
suono
average
is
about
15
to
16
overlapping
calls
a
month.
So
that
means
that
we're
already
on
one
call
we
get
another
call.
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U
They
require
me
to
have
three
engines:
two
lighter
companies
to
service
trucks,
a
reserve
engine
and
die
and
to
have
all
those
people
would
be
almost
I
need
to
add,
like
2.3
million
dollars
to
our
budget,
and
that's
that's
just
that's
just
that's
a
heard
of
we
can't.
We
can't
do
that
so
we'll
continue
to
as
a
Buncombe
County
way.
Much
means
we'll
help
each
other
right.
B
C
A
Q
Pryor
and
I
want
to
thank
all
of
you
for
all
you
do
and
I
understand.
It's
not
easy.
I
did
get
to
speak
to
some
events.
I
didn't
get
to
make
it
to
the
meeting,
but
I
did
get
to
speak
to
some
organs
and
it
goes
back
the
same
thing
we're
not
going.
This
is
not
going
to
be
going
up
on
the
property
tax.
This
is
just
one
of
these
property
savings.
We'll
look
at
it
if
it
helps
save
our
property.
I'll
be
one
happy
to
pay
five
dollars
more
money.
Q
You
know
on
my
fire
insurance
and
in
my
district,
but
if
it's
what
it
is,
but
if
it's
even
more
that's
what
it
is,
but
I
talked
to
my
local
fire
chief
I
just
weekend
and
there's
areas
that
he
has
to
have.
You
know,
especially
the
pay
of
the
employees
that
you
do
have
and
trying
to
keep
the
employees
is
hard,
so
I,
I,
understand
and
I
know.
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Have
any
questions
I've
got?
It
got
a
comment:
I've
had
the
opportunity
to
be
in
a
lot
of
your
sillies
meet
a
lot
of
young
men
and
women
that
work
with
you
and
and
witness
the
cooperation
I
like
the
way.
You
said
that
I,
like
the
Buncombe
County
way,
I
like
seeing
the
cooperation
between
the
between
each
of
the
stations
and
I've
seen
it
a
lot.
N
You
know
in
just
four
years
of
being
a
commissioner
I
know
it's
not
easy
for
you
to
to
ask
what
you
ask
for
because
of
the
way
you
you,
you
know,
you're
the
stewardship
that
you've
existed.
You
know
to
date,
so
I've
talked
to
y'all
about
you
know,
I
want
to
make
sure
the
young
men
and
women
you
know
that
want
to
come
and
stay
with
you
want
to
enter
into
that
industry
and
want
and
that
they
can
be
paid
well
and
I've.
N
Had
that
discussion
with
all
of
you,
and
so
that's
my
main
concern
I
guess
is
to
make
sure
that
we
do
what
we
can.
You
know
for
the
young
men,
men
and
women
that
are
starting
and
and
and
get
them
to
stay
in
that
industry,
because
you
do
a
great
you
do
a
great
work
and
we
appreciate
it
and-
and
our
appreciation
is
not
enough-
we
don't
understand
what
you
do,
because
we
don't
do
it.
N
You
know
I'm
not
going
to
say
I
understand
what
you
do
because
I
you
know
that
I'm
heading
the
other
direction.
You
know
when
that
when
that
gas
explosion
occurred
and
an
Enka,
but
I
will
never
ever
ever
ever
ever
forget
that
mr.
justice
and
others
I
will
never
forget
that
you
know
in
the
cooperation
that
was
had
between
so
many
so
many
people
that
will
stick
stick
in
my
memory,
so
doesn't
mean
we
don't
challenge
each
other
on.
You
know
numbers
and
figures
and
discussion.
N
We
have
to
do
that,
but
we're
so
grateful
for
what
y'all
do
and
and
and
understand
all
the
top-down.
You
know.
Most
people
don't
really
realize
I've
been
to
one
of
the
reasons
that
nako
exists
in
North,
consociational,
County,
Commissioners
and
I've
got
to
go.
That
is
to
keep
people
from
pushing
dollars
down
to
the
county,
but
it
happens
all
the
time
that
you
listed
for
organizations
that
you'll
have
to
deal
with,
but
that's
just
what
we
deal
with,
and
so
that's
why
it's
always
already
been
said.
N
U
U
Hands
you
know,
that's
it's,
it's
a
risky
business
that
everybody
takes,
but
we
got
into
it
because
we
I
got
into
it,
because
I
love
to
help
people,
I
love
to
serve
and
I,
have
to
say
I
mean
I'm.
A
citizen
with
suono
had
in
all
my
entire
life
and
I
just
enjoy
the
community
and
that's
the
reason.
I
I
grew
up
with
a
lot
of
people
there
and
I
want
to
continue
to
serve
them,
because
we
have
some
it's
hard
to
recruit
that
really
good
employee.
U
It
seem
harder
to
hang
on
to
them
when
you
can't
offer
and
keep
up
the
benefits,
and
so
that's
one
of
the
things
that
were
faced
with
is
recruiting
that
employee
and
also
keeping
oats
I
lose
a
lot
of
people
to
the
city
of
Asheville
only
because
they
have
the
local
government
retirement
and
that's
and
it's
a
good
department.
The
city
is
going
to
me
at
one
point:
I
thought
I
was
a
minor-league
Department
to
the
city
seem
like
seven.
Eight
nine
people
came
here.
B
U
The
bigger
they
look
to
the
big
league,
but
but
we
work
together.
We
also
work
with
the
city,
and
we
know
that
and
we're
going
to
lose
those
people
until
we
can
recruit
them
I'm,
sorry
till
we
can
retain
them
with
the
benefits
and,
unfortunately,
only
way
to
do
that
is
through
our
revenue
stream,
and
we
got
to
do
some
fancy
ideal
work
and
try
to
make
sure
we
have
the
right
way
to
fix
that.
We're
willing
to
do
that,
but
and.
B
I
know
no
one,
you
all
don't
do
this
because
of
the
money,
but
I
would
challenge
all
of
us
to
work
with
these
folks,
so
by
this
time
next
year,
it's
a
different,
because
if
the
paper
doesn't
print
anything
about
all
day
today,
what
firefighters
that
go
into
a
burning
building
get
paid
when
they
start
out.
Mr.
B
Q
Back
I
would
like
to
see
if
the
county,
if
we
could
possibly
I,
helped
some
of
them
with
grant
writing
to
be
able
to
try
to
get
some
of
the
grants,
because
they
were
having
a
hard
time
getting
our
tanks
and
stuff
and
guarantee,
and
they
were
down
to
like
two
packs
for
their
backs.
So
you
know,
if
there's
any
way
that
we
can,
the
county
can
possibly
help
do
something
like
that.
I
don't
know
if
we
can,
but
mr.
green
might
know
it.
But
if
we
could
I'd
like
to
see
that
happening.
U
W
U
G
U
U
An
apparatus
is
a
half
a
million
dollars
so
that
young
obama
many
pieces
apparatus
for
30
million
dollars
and
the
fact
that
they
had
1,900
applications
just
in
the
apparatus
acquisition-
and
I
will
tell
you
and
to
the
citizens
of
this
county-
we
have
done
everything
we
can
with
grant
writing
to
try
to
offset
some
of
our
costs
and
right
now
we
just
I,
didn't
I,
didn't
get
one
I,
think
some
of
it,
but
we're
all
still
waiting.
There's
about
three
of
us.
U
U
W
C
A
A
A
X
I'm
here
to
present
the
budget
for
London,
County
Schools
and
as
soon
as
the
last
person
leaves
on
behalf
of
Buncombe
County
Schools
I
want
to
publicly
say
how
important
all
those
fire
departments
are.
Those
first
responders
emergency
management,
headed
up
by
the
legendary
DD
Hahn,
are
for
each
and
every
safe
school
plan
and
crisis
response
in
our
schools.
X
X
Our
budget
is
currently
built
on
twenty
four
thousand
six
hundred
eighty
seven
students
and
for
the
past
four
years,
there's
a
hundred
fifteen
school
systems
in
the
state
of
North
Carolina,
and
we
rank
thirteen
and
that's
the
way
it's
been
for
those
past
four
years.
So
just
to
make
sure
that
that
you
understand
that
we
are
considered
one
of
the
largest
school
systems
in
the
state
of
North
Carolina
and
it
might
be
a
little
bit
difficult
to
see
from
from
the
audience.
But
I
think
I
have
provided
that
information
in
front
of
you.
X
I
thought
this
was
an
important
slide
for
you
to
see,
because
it
gives
a
good
comparison
when
we
talk
about
per
pupil
expenditure
and
those
twenty
four
thousand
six
hundred
students
in
Buncombe
County
and
look
and
it's
important
again
to
understand
our
school
budget.
The
particulars
sources
where
those
funds
come
from
and
how
we
rank
in
the
state
I
do
not
have
sixteen
seventeen,
because
that
year
is,
we
still
have
to
run
Mille
Lacs
we're
counting
the
Bantu,
the
ovulation,
but
we
do
not
yet
have
the
figures
for
this
car.
X
But
again
that
compares
to
$615
two
distinct.
When
you
look
at
local-
and
this
is
this-
is
one
person
because
I
think
this
is
a
feel-good
slide
I
when
I
come
in
and
talk
about
state
budget.
There's
not
a
lot
of
feel-good
I'm
going
to
give
to
you,
but
I
think
you
can
feel
so
exceptionally
proud
about
the
rank
out
of
115
school
systems.
Because
you
can
see
we
ranked
20th
out
of
115.
X
I
think
that
is
certainly
an
indication
of
the
support
that
these
county
commissioners
have
given
over
a
long
period
of
time
to
really
build
our
school
systems
of
Milton,
County
and
Asheville
City
and
then
finally,
there
are.
There
are
funds
that
that
come
in
over
a
just
miscellaneous
type
and
that
ranks
us
as
71st
and
again
you
can
see
that
in
comparison
to
the
state
a
little
bit
higher
again,
that
ranges
from
a
lot
of
different
needs
and
different
pockets
of
the
funding.
X
So
I
thought
that
was
interesting
for
you
to
see
those
are
figures
over
five
years,
so
you
can
see
the
various
comparisons.
But
again,
if
you,
if
you
try
to
find
a
positive,
the
positive
is
the
increase,
the
improvement
in
rank
with
local
funding,
and
that's
that's
extremely
important
for
us
next
and
again
lesson
so
as
I
said
when
when
people
talk
about
Buncombe,
County
school
funds
and
public
school
funds,
another
source
of
funding
and
the
percentage
of
funding
is
quite
different
than
our
sister
system.
In
the
city.
X
X
I,
look
at
the
federal
funding
as
sort
of
moans
coming
in
they
come
in,
and
we
just
can't
shout
loud
enough
that
they're
here
what
the
issue
is
always
that
at
some
point
time
they
leave
and
if
there's
not
equitable
funds,
to
sustain
the
effort
and
the
impact
made
by
those
federal
funds
or
issues
that
are
left
so
again.
That
is
6%
I.
X
Think
that
rains
again
as
high
as
13%
back
in
the
nine
ten
ten
eleven
I
said
she
needs
for
us
to
understand
our
budget,
because
when
we
start
looking
at
challenges,
especially
from
the
state
and
we
had
one
recently
I
appreciate
the
county
manager
but
and
I
know.
She
probably
didn't
appreciate
me.
But
I
had
a
hotline
because
we
were
staying
up-to-date
on
the
impact
of
the
House
bill
and
Senate
bill
concerning
the
k3
classroom
allotment
and
the
the
significant
changes.
X
So
we
went
from
a
lab
that
was
in
place
ready
to
come
into
effect
for
1718.
That
would
have
required
us
to
hire
35
additional
k3
teachers
along
with
Ecuador
assistants,
and
we
have
a
ratio
k3
for
those
assistants
and
the
hospital
came
in.
It
mitigated
Chuck
McGrady
from
from
Hendersonville
that
particular
bill.
X
The
Senate
thank
going
to
styling
called
that
and
they
came
in
with
their
compromise
and
so,
as
a
result,
at
least
can
can
rest
knowing,
but
that
has
been
mitigated
for
one
manner,
so
those
forty
five
hires
for
K
three
teachers
have
all
been
downsized
to
seven,
along
with
five
assistants.
So
there
is
a
tremendous
relief
for
seventeen
eighteen,
nineteen
nineteen,
the
current
law
that
will
go
into
effect
in
1819
that
illogical
initial
of
requiring
the
forty
five
additional
classrooms
will
be
in
place
for
eighteen.
X
Nineteen
now
there's
a
lot
that
can
happen
over
a
year
and
I
believe
that
there's
a
lot
of
very
positive
discussion
going
on
in
both
the
House
and
the
Senate
and
I
remain
the
optimistic.
But
as
I
again
the
fire
chief
sort
of
put
a
little
warning
out
there.
A
warning
veil
I
will
need
to
do
the
same,
but
I
also
tell
you
that
we
are
going
to
internally
take
here
from
a
budgetary
standpoint,
though
certain
additional
hires
for
classroom
teachers,
those
five
additional
assistance
and
it
doesn't
in-
will
impact
two
of
our
elementary
schools.
X
Eighty
nine
percent
of
our
operating
budget
is
in
people
and
human
resources,
so
after
a
short
period
of
time
of
looking
for
areas
to
find
additional
revenue
to
find
particular
cuts
to
bring
in
additional
revenue
and
the
people,
and
that's
what
makes
our
budget
to
some
degree
I
think
unique
when
you
look
across
the
board,
but
that's
an
important
important
fact
to
know
about
our
operating
budget
again.
Priscilla
I
want
to
put
this
on
the
phone
again,
not
say
time
line
issue.
When
we
come
to
you,
the
governor's
budget.
G
X
X
But
the
most
important
component
is
the
fact
model,
because
that's
when
our
three
are
put
in
front
of
those
three
different
organizations
and
they
decide
what
the
final
budget
is.
That's
a
timeline
issue.
Our
state
law
I
in
Asheville
City
Schools,
have
to
bring
a
budget
to
you,
requesting
local
funds
by
May,
15th
and
I
appreciate
the
opportunity
to
extend
my
visit
with
them,
because
we
didn't
even
have
time
once
the
budget
came
in
from
the
Senate
to
present
our
board.
X
We
wanted
to
make
sure
that
our
school
board
for
our
request,
first
so
Senate
doctrine
or
maybe
eleventh.
So
now
we
have
one
of
the
two
bodies
in
the
General
Assembly
with
a
model
budget.
We
have
yet
to
see
anything
from
the
house.
It
could
be
next
week.
It
could
be
two
to
three
weeks
from
now
and
then,
following
that,
we've
got
final
state
budget
negotiations
to
take
place.
So
what
I
present
to
you?
Your
night
is
based
upon
that
governor's
budget.
X
We
believe
that
there
will
be
some
in
between,
but
we
don't
know
that
so
the
best
that
we
can
do
is
come
to.
You
I
think.
That's
the
the
same
thing
that
Asheville
City
Schools
did
but
I
present
to
you
as
a
timeline
issue,
because
certainly
would
not
come
to
you
asking
for
money
to
to
buffer
the
Vulcan
County
school
budget,
we're
doing
the
best
we
can
and
giving
you
as
accurate
on
numbers
as
possible.
We
also
have
to
preserve
our
own
budget
by
June.
X
X
It's
about
one
hundred
thirty,
six
thousand,
with
certified
134
thousand
with
with
classified
staff,
our
teacher
assistants,
our
custodians,
our
drivers,
the
health
insurance,
there's
a
difference,
fairly
minimal
difference
of
around
six
thousand
dollars
there
and
in
the
retirement,
because
each
year
I've
come
to
you.
The
health
insurance
and
the
retirement
requirements
for
the
employer
has
increased,
though
those
that
have
come
to
me.
I've
been
superintendent,
and
this
is
my
ninth
year.
X
There's
also
been
some
proposed:
salary
increase
that
impacted,
certified
and
state
employees
from
the
kick
in
mind
regarding
salary
increases
and
I'll.
Move
on
to
the
next
slide
that
twelve
to
fourteen
percent
of
our
employees
in
the
Buncombe
County
school
system
are
paid
from
local
funds.
So
if
the
state
and
in
the
governor's
budget
there
was
a
five
percent
increase
that
was
put
in
place
for
certified,
there
was
a
three
percent
put
in
place
for
state
employees,
non-certified
and.
X
So
when,
when
that's
resigned,
to
ask
from
the
state
and
order
for
those
locally
paid
employees
to
receive
equitable
increases,
the
request
comes
to
you
for
that
and
again
this
is
this
parallels?
What
has
come
from
Asheville
city
I
think
the
exact
percentage,
so
the
tunnel
proposed
pay
increase,
is
1
million.
Six
hundred
twenty-eight
thousand
four
hundred
fifty
two
dollars
next
slide
is
also
what
we
consider
continuation
because
it
comes
to
you
every
year
and
that
is
in
terms
of
the
benefit
increases
and
our
proposal.
X
What
we
have
seen
from
the
governor's
proposal,
four
hundred
ninety
eight
thousand
four
hundred
ten
dollars
for
the
matching
retirement
contribution
and
for
the
employer,
pay
health,
insurance,
118
thousand
$305,
and
that
comes
to
a
total
six
hundred
and
sixteen
seven
hundred
and
fifteen
dollars.
Yes,.
N
Just
so
just
a
quick
question
and
it
may
be
I
just
don't
understand
them,
but
the
employers
matching
retirement
contribution
going
up
a
percent.
Why?
Why
does
that?
Why
does
that
occur?
I
mean
increasing
that
amount
and
I'm
processing,
in
my
mind,
that
you
know
where
I
was
with
before
you
had.
You
know
six
percent
and
they
matched
it,
but
that
was
that
was
the
401k.
So
can
you
explain
it
to
me?
You.
X
G
X
We
are
entering
1718
into
the
final
phase
of
amazement,
Discovery,
Academy,
I,
think
most
of
the
commissioners
have
any
opportunity
to
visit
that
that
campus
care
on
our
central
office
location-
and
that
is
a
it's-
the
early
college
model.
We
have
100
students
per
grade.
We
are
currently
at
300,
so
they
will
welcome.
Essentially
their
senior
class
I
will
have
a
senior
class
next
year
and
they
will
have
our
four
years.
X
So
one
thought,
just
as
we
open
a
new
school,
we
do
have
some
requests
for
locally
paid
teachers,
and
in
this
case
it
is
three
core
teachers
about
closed
English,
math,
social
studies
and
science.
So
we
are
making
that
request
to
complete
that
faculty
and
staff.
Now,
lastly,
tell
you
that
whip
out
of
every
single
school
everyone,
542
skills,
muffin,
County
and
I,
was
so
happy
to
share
that
accreditation
report,
because
that
was
an
external
team
that
came
in.
X
But
if
you've
not
had
an
opportunity
to
visit
Nesbit
discovery
and
see
some
of
the
best
practices
that
are
taking
place
there
and
our
NDC
was
here
at.
They
were
significant
in
terms
of
planning
that,
because
the
intent
was
to
make
a
clear
connection
between
STEM
education
and
workforce
development.
And
so
if.
X
X
I
know
a
lot
of
issues
come
to
you
as
commissioners,
a
lot
of
issues
regarding
community
self
that
impact
families
specifically
impact
our
kids,
resiliency
training
that
starts
in
kindergarten
and
applying
that
the
power
to
give
them
strength
to
overcome
some
of
the
challenges
that
are,
in
some
cases,
environmental.
That's
that's.
X
So
we're
asking
help.
That
is
one
of
those
situations
where
the
funds
have
run
out
and
we
just
don't
have
adequate
funding
to
sustain
them,
but
we
believe
it's
important
if
I
also
belong.
It
connects
extremely
well
with
the
mission
of
this
of
this
billeted
commissioners
and
finally,
the
non
math
textbook
adoption
every
time
I've
come
here.
I
get
the
question
about
textbooks.
I
think
you
get
a
lot
of
questions
about
textbooks
reality
over
the
years
since
2009-10,
it's
been
hot
cons
in
terms
of
state
funds
for
textbooks
for
instructional
supplies.
X
X
They
are
very
much
very
much
needed
the
time
of
our
comes
to
691
thousand
dollars,
and
so,
if
I
total
our
request
to
you
on
the
continuation
two
million
two
hundred
forty
five
thousand
one
hundred
sixty
seven
dollars
the
proposed
increase
of
expansion
that
I
just
went
over
six
hundred
ninety
one
thousand
and
now
turn
of
the
certified
local
supplement
and
I.
You
know
I
thought
about
how
to
how
to
present
this
I
was
at
a
function.
X
It's
charging
out
there
as
much
as
we
learn
Asheville
as
much
as
people
that
don't
love
it.
A
scalpel
it's
tough
to
recruit,
especially
in
areas
such
as
math
and
science,
special
education
and
it's
beginning
to
become
a
challenge
even
at
the
elementary
level.
And
why?
Because
the
poor
candidates
that
are
going
into
the
teaching
field,
when
you
look
across
the
state
at
the
university
system
and
a
decrease
in
about
thirty
percent,
so
it's
competitive
now,
we've
got
a
great
brand.
We've
got
a
great
brand
of
school.
X
We
got
a
great
brand
in
terms
of
in
environment.
Our
teacher
housing
we're
very
proud
of
that's
going
to
be
I.
Think
a
wonderful
incentive
that
this
is
important.
I
will
promise
you
as
superintendent
when,
when
I'm
interviewing,
especially
for
those
school
leaders,
is
extremely
important
so
again
we're
requesting
that
final
phase.
A
Right,
dr.
baldwin,
thank
you
very
much
and,
as
you
noted,
this
is
going
to
be
a
kind
of
an
iterative
process,
as
we
look
at
how
the
state
process
goes.
So
I'm
sure
this
will
not
be
I'm
sure
we're
going
to
continue
to
want
to
dialogue
with
you
as
these
numbers
get
firmed
up
from
the
state
and
what
it
means
for
us.
But
thank
you
very
much
for
your
presentation
tonight.
Dr.
D
Bollen,
just
one
quick
question:
thank
you
very
much
for
the
presentation
and
all
the
incredible
work
happening
as
this
grant
period
winds
down
for
the
compassionate
Schools
program.
I.
Did
you
possibly
get
some
additional
information
about
what
you
all
have
learned
during
the
grant
terms
that
we
absolutely.
X
And
I
would
really
like
if
I
know,
your
agendas
are
very
filled,
but
I
would
love
to
have
a
small
team
come
in
and
present
it
because
I
think
this.
This
goes
hand-in-hand
with
what
you're,
seeing
with
with
Mandy's
Department
and
Health
and
Human,
Services
and
but
I
can.
I
can
certainly
provide
figures
to
you
on
that.
A
Look
there's
a
lot
of
interest
in
that
ma'am
commissioners.
Other
questions
at
this
time,
all
right
again,
thank
you,
dr.
Baldwin,
for
being
here,
and
we
look
forward
to
continuing
the
conversation
as
we
move
forward
in
the
budget
process.
So
the
final
item
under
new
business
for
this
evening
is
the
solar
farm
Memorandum
of
Understanding,
with
Duke,
Energy
and
I,
see
that
we
have
Jason
walls
with
us
from
Duke,
Energy
and
I
hope
that
that
Scout,
that
is
still
with
us,
get
some
kind
of
special
badge
for
staying
at
the
County
Commission.
A
Long,
so
thank
you
both
for
sticking
with
us,
I
think
I,
just
like
the
safety
words.
If
jason
has
anything
to
add,
welcome
that
too,
and
and
also
just
before
I
say
more
I
did
pass
out
a
copy
of
a
hard
copy
of
the
Memorandum
of
Understanding.
There
was
one
proposed
change
to
it
that
was
brought
up
after
the
memorandum
was
on
the
county
websites.
I
wanted
everyone
to
have
a
hard
copy
that
so
we
can.
We
can
look
at
that
and
I'll
speak
to
that
in
just
a
minute.
A
Just
it's
just
a
little
bit
of
context
here.
So
since
the
County
Commission
approved
the
idea
of
moving
forward
with
a
solar
farm
project
at
the
retired
County
landfill
in
Woodson,
Duke
Energy
has
been
engaging
with
the
county
around
the
idea
of
partnering
with
us
on
this
project,
so
I
think
I
just
like
to
sort
of
summarize
what
the
Memorandum
of
Understanding
contemplates,
essentially
Duke
Energy,
would
like
to
partner
with
the
county
on
the
development
of
this
project.
A
A
Duke
Energy
will
provide
100
percent
of
the
funds
necessary
to
develop
the
project
and
to
study
the
feasibility
of
the
project.
As
you
will
all
recall,
at
our
meeting
where
we
discussed
this
project,
we
did
appropriate
I
think
it
was
27,000
dollars
to
pay
for
the
feasibility
studies
for
the
project.
Duke
Energy
has
offered
to
pay
all
of
those
costs
to
that
27,000
or
2075
will
not
be
needed
from
the
county.
A
A
This
Memorandum
of
Understanding
is
is
the
non-binding
agreement
between
the
two
parties.
In
essence,
it's
an
agreement
to
move
the
process
forward
to
again
study
the
feasibility,
confirm
it
as
a
viable
location.
If,
for
any
reason,
the
county
or
Duke
Energy
decided
that
it
is
not
a
good
fit
for
them,
either
party
could
discontinue
the
project
at
any
time
and
we'll
change
that
I'd
like
to
bring
everyone's
attention
to,
and
this
goes
to
the
question
that
mr.
A
Yellen
spoke
to
because
I
think
one
of
the
concerns
he
expressed
at
the
beginning
of
the
meeting
and
our
friends
at
the
Asheville
Citizen
Times
also
had
the
same
question.
There
was
the
rest
in
the
original
in
the
original
MOU
provision.
Number
five
discusses,
basically
protecting
confidential
information
either
party
might
have,
and
the
question
came
up,
though,
that
really
aren't
all
documents
related
to
this
project
that
are
circulated
between
the
parties,
but
really
should
be
public
information
in
and
Jason
and
Duke
Energy
quickly
chimed
in
that.
A
That
is,
that
is
their
expectation
and
their
understanding
and
I
think
that's
the
way
we
see
it
as
well.
So
so
we
replaced
provision
number
five,
which
was
originally
titled
restrictions
on
the
provision
of
information
and
replaced
it
with
a
section
and
I'll
just
read
it
for
the
record,
so
it's
called
compliance
with
North
Carolina
public
records
laws
and
it
states
any
and
all
documents,
papers,
letters,
Maps
books,
photographs,
films,
sound
recordings
magnetic
or
other
tapes,
electronic
data
processing
records,
artifacts
or
other
documentary
material,
regardless
of
physical
former
characteristics
made
or
received.
A
Pursuant
to
this,
agreement
shall
be
subject
to
chapter
132
of
the
north
carolina
general
statutes,
which
I
assume
is
public
records,
requirements
for
local
government
and
I,
just
I
would
just
I
would
just
add.
You
know
I
think
that
I
think
it's
exciting
that
Duke
wants
to
partner
with
the
county
on
this
project.
A
There's
a
lot
of
great
energy
companies
in
the
state.
A
lot
of
companies
doing
these
kind
of
projects.
You
know,
building
a
cellar,
a
solar
project
on
a
retired
landfill
does
present
unusual
complications
and
is
a
little
bit
more
expensive
than
than
a
typical
site
and
I.
Think
Duke
Energy
is
very
committed
to
the
project.
A
Assuming
the
feasibility
comes
back
positive,
they
have
the
funding
already
approved
to
construct
the
project,
so
I
think
that
the
county
can
have
a
very
high
level
of
confidence
that
if
the
feasibility
studies
come
back
positive,
that
partnering
with
Duke
provides
a
pathway
to
get
this
project
to
be
successful.
So
for
all
those
reasons,
I
think
it's
a
good,
a
good
approach
and
that's
why
we've
brought
it
back
for
discussion
this
evening.
Jason.
Would
you
like
to
add
anything
at
this
time.
Y
Y
Y
So,
if
not
I'll
have
my
son
attest
to
that
but
anyway,
so
it
is
kind
of
it
is
an
exciting
time,
as
you
will
recall,
as
part
of
kind
of
the
ongoing
work
of
the
Western
Carolina's
modernization
project.
The
company
has
a
commitment
to
build
at
least
15
megawatts
of
solar,
and
we
were
delighted
to
to
kind
of
do
some
initial
study
and
understanding
of
the
opportunity
to
potentially
partner
with
the
county
on
the
the
landfill
and
Woodfin
again
there's
a
lot
of
feasibility.
Y
A
lot
of
studies
still
left
to
do,
but
this
MOU
is
really
it's
a
non-binding
way.
But
it's
a
very
formal
way
of
saying
we
want
to
take
our
partnership
a
little
bit
further
and
explore
what
needs
to
happen
to
move
the
project
forward.
So
we're
delighted
to
be
a
partner,
and
we
look
forward
to
kind
of
continuing
this
conversation
forward
and
I'm
happy
to
answer
any
questions
that
folks
may
have.
Q
Z
Q
Of
yes,
sir
and
I'm
projecting
mr.
Galton
did
bring
them
some
things
say
thirty
years
down.
The
road
Duke
is
a
good
company
and
I
understand
that
personally,
but
if
solar
panels
die,
what
do
we
do
with
them?
That's
a
that's,
a
very
good
question
and
you
know
how
did
we
dispose
of
them
or
or
do
we
make
sure
that
do
handles
it?
Because
of
you
know
some
other
companies
could
come
in
here,
but
they
could
possibly
walk
away
and
just
leave
leave
the
county
stuck
and
I.
A
Q
A
Y
D
Just
a
couple
questions
around
process,
since
we
last
or
since
we
voted
to
move
forward,
a
feasibility
I'm
trying
to
wrap
my
head
around
the
rationale
for
initiating
an
MoU
before
we
have
the
results
of
the
feasibility
study
and
wonder
if
we
could
get
some
comment
from
both
the
county
perspective
and
Dukes
perspective
on.
Why
we
would.
Why
would
we
wait
to
have
the
definitive
results
of
a
feasibility
study
before
entering
into
the
next
stage?
D
A
Take
a
crack
at
it
and
then
feel
free
to
come
in
so
I
think
a
couple
of
things.
First,
we
do
save
the
you
know
the
cost
of
having
to
pay
for
that
feasibility
study.
If
we
go
forward
with
this
process
and
Duke
will
duple
pay
those
costs,
so
there's
there's,
there's
an
upfront
cost
savings
and
then
really
you
know
with
that
being
the
only
significant
item
that
the
county
was
anticipating.
A
Any
development
cost
on
this
approach
does
allow
this
project
to
be
developed
at
no
cost
to
taxpayers,
which
is
which
is
nice
so
and
I
guess
the
other
thing
I
would
just
say
is
you
know,
I
do
think
that
I
do
think
that
that
partnering
with
Duke
is
a
good
solution
for
the
project
and
I
guess
for
that
reason,
I
just
don't
see
a
reason
to
not
go
ahead
and
and
acknowledge
that
and
Implanon
plan
on
working
with
them
on
the
project.
So
so
I
guess
I,
just
don't
see
a
reason
to
not
do
it.
Y
We
do
want
to
take
this
partnership
to
that
next
level
of
feasibility
of
understanding
and
of
study,
because
once
we
move
past
that
the
company
will
start
spending
that
twenty
seven
thousand
or
whatever
those
dollars
are
to
study
the
feasibility
of
this
site,
and
so
it's
just
really
a
step
in
the
process
to
ensure
that
both
parties
have
looked
each
other
in
the
eye
have
signed
on
a
dotted
line
to
say
yeah.
We
want
to
continue
this
partnership
and
explore
this
to
the
next
step.
Okay,.
A
I
guess
one
other,
just
one
other
thoughts,
I
would
I
would
add
in
as
well,
although
again
within
the
context
that
this
is
a
non-binding
agreement.
So
you
know
nothing.
Nothing
ties
either
sides
hands
here.
In
my
experience,
working
on
these
kind
of
projects
is
that
you
know
you
have
all
the
to
diligence
you
have
to
do
and
for
sites
that
you
know
that
survived
that
process.
A
One
of
the
other
key
ingredients
to
a
project
is,
of
course,
getting
a
dedicated
getting
a
finance
partner
for
a
project.
So
the
fact
that
Duke
is
here
and
is
willing
to,
could
you
know
again
in
the
non-binding,
non-binding
legal
sense,
but
essentially
commit
to
funding
the
project,
assuming
that
it
all
goes.
The
due
diligence
because
well
I
think,
is
a
it's
good
to
have
a
committed
funding
partner
at
this
stage
of
the
project.
So
that's
another
reason
I
think
it's
an
attractive
decision
to
go
ahead
and
make
it
this
time
the.
Y
Only
last
thing
is
to
one
of
the
points
about
applicable
walls
in
South
Carolina,
to
the
point
that
we've
done
this
a
lot.
That
was
just
a
typo
because
we
have
AM
executed
these
kind
of
mo
used
multiple
times
that
you
know
in
so
the
word
from
South
Carolina
should
have
been
changed
in
North
Carolina.
But
quite
frankly
we
missed
that
typo
when
we
sent
it
over.
So
it's
I
think,
but.
Y
A
D
Has
there
been
conversation
with
any
other
potential
potential
financier
of
the
project,
or
has
there
been
any
sort
of
open
process
through
which
this
is
partly
for
folks
who?
Well,
we
don't
have
a
full
house
right
now,
that's
in
spirit
in
theory
there,
folks,
following
this
conversation
along
and
the
last
time
we
talked.
C
D
We
voted
to
approve
a
feasibility
study.
There
was
some
discussion
that
there
might
be
an
opportunity
for
some
of
that
money
to
be
refunded
and
then
I
just
want
to
make
sure
we're
narrating
sort
of
what's
happened
between
now
and
then
to
the
full
extent
possible
for
folks
so
I
have
is
this
an
account
of
question
of
the
county
is,
have
there
been?
Has
there
been
dialogue
or
conversation
with
any
other
entity
or
party
who's
interested
in
this
project?
Sure.
A
So
I'll
just
I'll
speak
to
that
and
again
I
think
we
talked
about
this
before,
but
I
do
I'd,
you
know,
do
work
in
the
solar
industry,
so
I
happen
to
know
some
of
the
other
companies
and
the
leadership
of
those
companies,
and
there
certainly
are
you
know.
North
Carolina
has
become
the
second
largest
solar
market
in
the
United
States
over
the
last
several
years,
and
so
there's
a
lot
of
lot
of
these
solar
farm
projects
happening
across
our
state.
A
Mostly
you
know
in
the
Piedmont
and
the
eastern
part
that
state
where
there's
a
lot
more
flat
land
in
pretty
cheap
land.
So,
as
I've
said
from
the
beginning,
of
course,
any
company
that
I'm
involved
in
would
not
participate
in
any
way
in
the
development
of
the
project,
but
I
did
reach
out
to
a
couple
of
the
leaders
of
some
of
the
other
companies
that
have
a
lot
of
experience
and
qualifications
to
see.
A
If
they're,
you
know
to
see,
if
there
was
interest
in
in
this
and
and
to
kind
of
have
a
conversation
about
it
and
I
would
say
that
there
you
know
there
are
some
other
companies.
That
said,
sure
you
know
we'd
be
happy
to
happy
to
talk
about
it.
You
know
these
companies
are
always
looking
for.
You
know
business
development
opportunities
so
but,
from
my
perspective,
none
of
them,
none
of
them-
are
in
the
same
position.
A
That
Duke
is
to
offer
the
kind
of
proposal
that
is
before
us
today
to
fully
you
know,
to
fund
all
the
development
cost
of
the
project,
and
that
already
has
committed
internal
funding
that
they
could
actually
construct.
The
project.
I
I
think
one
of
the
concerns
one
of
the
concerns
about
our
site
compared
to
you
know
all
the
other
projects
across
the
state
that
again
are
not
on
landfills
and
doesn't
have
some
of
the
new
unique
hurdles
that
the
project
under
landfill
will
have
to
come.
A
Is
that
if
we
were,
you
know,
working
with
a
different
partner,
I
think
there's
there's
a
certain
risk
that
a
year
or
18
months
down
the
road
once
all
the
feasibility
studies
done,
a
project
like
ours
might
appear
to
be
relatively
less
attractive
than
other
business
opportunities
that
they
might
have.
So
for
all
those
different
reasons,
I
think
I.
Think
for
this
particular
project.
B
B
We
want
to
be
really
clear
how
we
do
business
and
I
mean
everybody's
all
for
this,
but
in
first
transparent
I
feel
like
we've
crossed
first
base
and
skipped
all
the
other
bases,
and
now
we're
rounding
for
home,
and
it
just
gives
the
appearance
to
me
a
little
and
I'm
all
for
the
project,
but
on
the
outside.
Looking
in
it
looks
like
a
very
closed
up.
Smug
deal
already
done
and
you
know
I'm
just
putting
that
out.
There.
I
am
supportive
of
it,
but
I
think
going
forward
and
process.
B
N
Yeah
sound
like
to
him
off
at
there
for
a
minute,
okay,
and
that
was
a
compliment
to
mr.
Moffatt.
If
he's
listening,
I've
got
a
I
got
a
few
questions
and
I
want
to
say
that
with
Duke
being
part
of
this,
that
I'm
comfortable
with
that
partnership,
I've
got
some
questions
about
the
agreement,
and
so
I
want
to
try
I'm
gonna
try
to
take
a
stab
at
some
of
these
things.
I
think
some
good
questions
have
been
asked.
N
Y
N
You
know
which
that
happens
a
lot
you
know,
but
but
you
initiated
agreement
has
started
because
you've
done
this
before
so
there's
been
one
mention
about
that.
The
South
Carolina
note
kinda,
that
that
that's
an
error
and
we're
also
wanting
to
add
a
paragraph
to
cover
the
the
concerns,
the
open
meeting
laws
and
the
concerns
of
that
I'd
like
to
ask
a
couple
questions
about
some
of
the
other
concerns,
because
they
are,
they
are
good
and
this
might
be
more
appropriate
for
another.
N
N
N
So
but
I
could
I
would
assume,
based
on
digs
record
that
there's
plenty
of
policies
in
place
to
take
care
of
that
and
absolutely
proper
manner.
Okay,
I'm
trying
to
think
if,
if
any
of
these
questions
might
be
for
you
I,
don't
think
I
see
anything
else
that
would
be
for
for
you.
So
thank
you.
Thank
you.
Jason
I
have
a
couple
questions
of
the.
This
is
a
memorandum
of
understanding,
but
when
we
do
a
lease
will
that
come
back
and
be
presented
public
I'm?
N
On
the
agenda
for
us
us
to
do
that,
also
I
would
like
to
see
and
I
might
make
cannon
when
everybody
gets
done.
I
might
be
ready
to
make
a
motion
and
an
amendment
so
because
it's
going
to
be
amended
any
helm
because
of
in
the
original
did
we
Britain?
We
did.
We
add
additional
paragraph
striking
of
paragraph
five.
Did
we
had
that
in
the
pre
session?
Is
that
what
we
did?
Mr.
V
There
we
go
perfect,
so
if
there's
a
new
just
to
summarize,
if
there's
a
excuse
me,
this
replaces
and
simplifies
the
language
of
previous
paragraph
five.
It's
not
a
bait
and
switch
I
just
want
everyone
to
understand
that
the
county
was
and
always
will
be
subject
to
the
public
records
law.
Vicious
that
commissioner
Newman's
suggestion
just
makes
it
simple
and
more
to
the
point,
but
it
still
does
the
same
thing.
So
if
there's
a
motion
of
it
would
be
just
replace.
V
N
N
A
If
there's
meetings
between
yeah
but
yeah
well,
the
you
know
there
are:
there
are
obligations
for
public
meeting
for
public
meetings.
I
mean
you
think,
that's
something
different
from
that,
not
really
I
guess
you
know
this
is
going
to
move
forward
our
staff,
their
staff,
are
going
to
talk
about
various
things.
Those
are
not
all
public
meetings,
rhinos.
A
A
V
There
was
a
question
a
few
minutes
ago
about
whether
or
not
when
this
comes
back.
If
it
comes
back,
if
the
parties
decide
to
move
forward
with
a
more
formal
agreement,
then
yes,
it
have
come
back
before
this
board.
If
it's
a
lease
or
a
license
for
more
than
ten
years,
then
yes,
it
has
come
back
for
this
board
for
a
public
hearing.
V
The
purpose
of
this
paragraph
three
is
just
really
to
have
a
point
of
contact
for
talking
about
this
feasibility
study
between
Duke
Energy
personnel
and
John,
Creighton
and
Menuhin
else,
and
with
the
county
government
is
not
four
meetings
per
se.
Public
meetings
is
just
for
communications
and
provost.
N
Okay
and
I
think
you
know,
of
course,
paragraph
14,
you
know
is
is
very
clear.
It
can
be
terminated
any
time
by
either
party
you
know,
and
so
the
the
risk
there
I
don't
see
see
a
lot
of
I'm
grateful
for
the
discussion
this
evening.
I
think
this
is
very
important
that
the
public
understand
clearly
what
we're
doing
and
what
we're
not
doing
and
I
think
that
time.
F
Say
no
I
would
say
not
want
to
even
do
it
every
turn.
But
yes,
but
you
can't
in
here,
oh
I'm,
sorry
I
would
say
the
other
party
is
obligated
to
work
with
each
other
I
mean
if,
after
Duke
does
the
feasibility
study,
they
decide
they
don't
you
know
they
don't
want
to
do
it
because
there's
some
issues
which
arise
from
that
they're
not
obligated
to
work
with
us
and
I
would
say
likewise
and
also
all
this
will
be,
as
it
says,
public
records,
because
it's
not
about
litigation,
so
other
potential
vendors.
F
If
they
see
that
the
deals
going
forward,
they
might
make
an
offer
that
the
you
know
which
the
the
Commission
might
want
to
to
accept-
or
they
might
want
to.
You
know,
consider
to
address
your
your
question
about
the
process.
This
is
just
how
big
entities
deal
with
each
other
through
mo
use
or
through
letters
of
intent,
because
the
the
Commission
might
have
a
different
composition.
You
know
when
the
thing
finally
comes
up-
or
you
know,
Duke
power
might
have
a
different
representative.
C
N
W
D
Just
I
want
to
share
I'm,
not
averse
to
being
in
this
dialogue
with
Duke
and
can
see
the
potential
here,
but
I
I'm
going
to
vote
against
this,
because
I
do
have
concerns
that
the
process
has
been
rushed
and
I
have
concerns
about
the
language
and
section
to
be
very
open
to
being
an
ongoing
conversation
and
dialogue,
but
I
just
think
we
owe
it
to
the
to
really
be
thorough
and
transparent
about
every
step
of
this
process.
So
my
concerns
rest
with
process
at
this
point
rather
than
the
proposal.
F
C
C
A
N
I
I
Think
that
tells
me
that
when
you
start
negotiating
contracts,
you
might
need
to
get
away
from
the
attorneys
and
get
away
from
the
automatic
printer
saying
it
Duke
and
I'm
having
fun
with
adjacent
okay,
because
it's
going
to
be
hard
to
put
that
on
the
landfill,
because
it's
unstable
one
thing
do
remember
this:
please
put
the
panel's
high
enough.
You
can
mow
underneath
with
a
lawn
mower,
don't
do
what
Biltmore
did
and
put
them
too
close
to
the
ground.
I
L
Thank
you
mr.
Ferraro,
for
your
comment
and
Ellen.
Thank
you
for
your
I.
Thank
you.
Women
are
a
little
more
detailed
than
the
men
are
and
I.
Thank
you
for
that.
A
good
woman
keeps
any
man
in
line.
I
have
a
concern
that
the
process
is
screwed
up
here.
At
the
last
meeting,
my
understanding
was,
we
were
going
to
look
into
it.
This
meeting
everything
went
forward
and
we're
ready
to
do
something.
L
I
think
it's
a
dead,
Jim
sneaky
way
of
pulling
progress,
energy
into
a
deal
here
and
I
think
there's
something
bigger
to
this
than
just
what
we're
hearing
today.
This
is
two-faced.
This
is
not
the
right
way
to
do
business
and
then
men,
or
to
stick
up
and
do
the
right
thing
and
pull
this
off
and
start
this
process
again.
L
Whenever
you
have
a
feasibility
study
or
to
isolate
it,
let
it
be
a
feasibility
study
without
an
MOA
involved,
because
you
know
what
you
might
have
a
fine
are
used
for
it.
Then
the
solar
panel
that'll
bring
in
a
lot
more
money
somewhere
another
if
you
had
a
feasibility
study
to
find
out.
What's
going
on
first
joke
out
there,
an
Inca
look
at
the
ball
field
out
there
on
that
hump
a
landfill
out
there.
L
If
it's
going
to
bring
in
this
kind
of
money
in
Inka
wine,
a
name
of
God
go
getting
you
off
of
the
proposal
for
this
to
be
about
fill
out
there.
What's
one
ball
fill
against
another
on
a
landfill
in
two
using
two
standards
and
not
looking
at
the
same
way.
Here
we
got
million
hours
out
there
on
the
ball
field
at
Inca,
we
got
multi
billions
on
this
one.
What
are
we
doing?
What
are
we
thinking?
I
think
there's
something
bigger,
because
you're
getting
Duke
involved.