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From YouTube: Board of Commissioners' Briefing (March 15, 2022)
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Briefing of the Buncombe County Board of Commissioners for March 15, 2022. The purpose of the Briefings are to discuss County business with staff and future meeting agenda items in an open, transparent manner. No official actions take place during the Briefings. View future agendas at buncombecounty.org/commissioners.
A
A
Okay,
great,
if
there's
time,
if
we
get
through
the
other
agenda
items,
you
know
we
have
on
our
five
o'clock
agenda
a
discussion
about
the
affordable
housing
committee
goals
and
we
have
just
a
few
slides
there.
A
If
we
have
time
I'd
like
to
maybe
just
kind
of
walk
through
those
real
quickly
just
to
see,
if
there's
any
questions
to
share,
there
were
a
few
final
updates
made
to
the
goals
just
in
the
last
few
days,
so
we
could
show
those
if
we
have
time-
and
I
think
we
might
just
based
on
the
time
expected
on
the
other
items-
are
there
any
questions
about
any
items
on
the
regular
meeting
agenda.
A
B
Thank
you
again,
commissioners
and
our
community
members
who
are
listening
in
for
the
time
today
to
provide
you
an
update.
My
message
today
will
sound
a
little
like
a
repeat,
but
a
repeat
of
really
good
news.
Our
local
indicators
continue
to
improve,
as
omicron
surge
continues
to
fade.
Here's
our
epi
curve,
starting
at
the
beginning
of
may
just
so.
B
B
B
The
community
level
tool
puts
emphasis
on
the
burden
of
covet
19
within
a
community
by
first
looking
at
week-over-week
cases,
then
places
greater
emphasis
on
hospitalizations
than
the
other
metrics
that
we
were
previously
following,
and
these
are
precisely
the
measures
that
at
this
phase
in
the
pandemic,
we
locally
have
also
been
moving
to
you've
heard
me
say
for
a
few
weeks
now
that
our
emphasis
is
going
to
be
around
reducing
severe
illness,
hospitalizations
and
deaths.
B
So
as
such
public
health
will
be
migrating
to
the
community
level
tool
and
sunsetting
our
local
metrics.
It
just
makes
sense
now
to
do
this,
because
we
believe
moving
to
the
communal
tool
is
aligned
with
the
direction
that
we've
all
been
moving
into
since
the
beginning
of
2022,
with
an
emphasis
on
covet
burden
and
hospitalization.
So
that's
severe
illness
pieces
so
covet
19
will
continue
to
be
a
part
of
our
lives
going
forward.
We
will
use
the
community
level
tool
to
help
identify
additional
precautions
based
on
the
level
of
risk.
B
Additionally,
it
provides
the
community
level
tool,
provides
a
weekly
cadence
to
follow
trends,
which
is
much
like
what
we've
already
been
doing
locally
and
lastly,
it
reduces
confusion
to
move
to
one
consistent
tool
versus
maintaining
two
tools
to
assess
community
and
individual
risk,
so
in
short,
public
health
will
be
migrating
to
the
community
level
tool
this
week
going
forward.
B
In
addition
to
shifting
our
monitoring
of
local
trends
to
the
community
tool
community
level
tool,
our
covet
19
command
team
has
discussed
and
recommended
that
we
move
to
once
monthly
community
briefings,
beginning
april
5th,
with
decreasing
trends,
community
understanding
of
recommendations
and
precautions
based
on
the
risk
and
that
we
are
demobilizing
mass
cova
19
operations
and
continuing
to
integrate
those
into
our
regular
public
health
operations.
It
is
time
to
also
reduce
the
frequency
of
the
briefings.
B
Ultimately,
we
hope
to
transition
to
no
standing
briefings
within
one
to
two
cycles
so
about
one
to
two
months,
but
reserve
the
opportunity
to
provide
more
frequent
briefing
should
the
kova
19
situation
warrant
or
the
board
so
requests
it.
B
B
In
the
past
week,
buncombe
county
hhs
saw
a
jump
in
vaccines
administered
thanks
in
part
to
our
equity,
focused
community
outreach
which
I'll
talk
about
on
the
next
slide.
Overall,
72
percent
of
our
eligible
population
has
received
at
least
one
dose
and
almost
99,
000
third
or
booster
doses
have
been
administered
at
this
time.
B
B
B
So
I
want
to
thank
all
of
our
partners
involved
in
the
planning
and
implementation
and
execution
of
that
event,
who
also
provided
lots
of
wrap
around
information.
While
we
were
providing
vaccine
and
as
a
reminder
to
our
neighbors,
who
are
not
yet
up
to
date
on
their
vaccines,
with
reports
indicating
from
europe
and
other
other
places
that
they
are
beginning
to
see
a
rise
in
cases.
B
As
you've
heard
me
say
before,
and
as
our
world
sort
of
shifts
into
a
more
endemic
approach
to
our
response
to
covet
19,
it
is
likely
that
we
will
see
waves
of
cases
come
and
again
just
a
reminder
that,
as
we
proceed
on
this
journey
from
pandemic
to
more
of
an
endemic
state,
it
doesn't
mean
that
kovit
has
disappeared.
It
actually
the
very
nature
of
being
means.
It's
with
us
all
the
time.
B
Community
testing
is
still
available
in
buncombe.
If
you
are
having
symptoms
and
have
been
exposed,
you
can
visit
the
starmed
website
to
find
a
location
and
time
to
be
tested.
Currently,
starmia
continues
to
provide
testing
at
the
asheville
mall
and
at
harris
convention
center
they
did
discontinue
their
site
at
ab
tech
on
sundays
and
mondays
due
to
low
turnout,
and
that
was
effective
this
week
and
there
are
many
other
testing
providers
in
the
community
and
you
can
find
them
at
the
north.
Carolina
dhhs
find
my
testing
place
website,
which
is
listed.
B
So
the
test
to
treat
program
allows
individuals
who
who
need
to
be
tested
to
be
tested
at
a
site.
If
they
are
possible
positive.
They
then
are
eligible
for
treatment
and
can
receive
an
appropriate
prescription
from
a
qualified
health
care
provider
and
have
their
prescription
filled
at
that
site.
So
it's
essentially
building
a
one-stop
shop
for
folks
who
may
who
are
positive
for
cova
19
and
may
be
eligible
or
meet
criteria
for
treatment.
B
In
some
cases,
individuals
who
receive
covet
19
test
results
through
at-home
testing
or
other
testing
sites
can
also
utilize
the
test
to
treat
location
to
receive
a
prescription
from
a
qualified
health
care
provider
and
treatment
on
the
spot.
If
they're
eligible
there
are
77
retail
pharmacy
sites.
So
the
the
federal
administration
started
this
program
with
their
retail
pharmacy
program
and
there
are
77
retail
pharmacy
sites
within
north
carolina
and
three
are
located
in
buncombe
county.
They
are
listed
on
there.
They
are
all
cvs's.
B
It
is
expected
over
the
next
few
weeks
that
additional
locations,
including
fqhcs
and
long-term
care
facilities,
will
be
added
to
the
program
by
mid-march.
We
anticipate
that
a
site
locator,
so
one
of
those
wayfinding
sites
will
be
launched
by
the
federal
administration
and
north
carolina
department
of
health
and
human
services
has
stated
that
they
are
also
expecting
to
update
their
treatment
locator
to
designate
test
to
treat
on
their
locator.
So
as
people
look
at
their
treatment
locator,
it
will
designate
spots
as
tests
to
treat
versus
just
having
treatment.
A
All
right,
the
next
item
on
our
agenda
is
an
update
on
the
strategic
plan,
which
we
do
quarterly
and
matt
baker
and
bernat
waltz
are
here
to
help
us
out
with
this
item.
Thanks
for
being
with
us.
A
It's
actually
pretty
hard,
you're,
not
alone
in
figuring,
trying
to
figure
out
how
to
get
that
to
work.
We're
going
to
try
to
get
some
money
in
the
budget
this
year
to
upgrade
that.
D
All
right
so
nice,
good
afternoon,
commissioners,
my
name
is
bernette
walls
and
I'm
here
today
with
my
colleague
matt
baker.
We
are
both
members
of
the
strategy
and
innovation
team
and
we're
going
to
share
with
you
all
a
high
level
overview
of
the
progress
that
the
organization
has
been
making
towards
the
strategic
plan
and
the
accompanying
initiatives.
D
Subsequently,
we've
developed
focus
area,
work
groups
and
the
work
groups
contain,
or
are
comprised
of,
departmental
leaders
that
have
goals
that
align
to
that
specific
work.
Group
and
the
objective
of
the
work
groups
is
to
advance
the
vision
of
each
of
the
focus
areas
it's
important
to
mention
to
just
let
you
guys
know
that
the
results
from
the
community
survey
are
also
helping
to
inform
and
guide
the
work
groups
as
well
too
so
in
an
effort
to
track
performance
and
provide
transparency
to
the
community.
D
A
dashboard
has
been
developed
and
you
can
find
that
dashboard
at
buncombecounty.org
and
it's
under
the
strategic
plan.
The
visual
that
you
see
reflected
here
is
the
landing
page
for
that
community
dashboard
and
by
clicking
on
each
of
the
focus
areas.
It
allows
the
viewer
to
see
some
additional
detail
now,
I'd
be
remiss
if
I
didn't
call
out
that
you
can
see.
D
There's
only
four
focus
areas
represented
currently,
the
foundational
focus
area
is
not
reflected
in
the
dashboard,
and
that's
intentional
due
to
the
fact
that
the
organization
has
prioritized
the
development
of
community
focus
area
goals
over
those
of
internal
or
foundational
goals.
However,
please
know
that
we
continue
to
work
on
those
foundational
goals
and
you
can
expect
to
see
them
reflected
into
the
dashboard
in
the
future.
D
D
D
Okay,
so
you'll
see
in
the
following
slides
that
they
have
a
very
consistent
format
that
reflect
the
community
focus
area
and
the
goals
that
fall
under
those
focus
areas.
The
visuals
represent
performance
of
the
departmental
goals
that
align
to
those
given
focus
areas
as
an
example
both
of
the
goals
you
see
on
this
slide
increase
kindergarten,
readiness
and
improve
college
and
career
readiness
are
green
or
on
track,
which
indicates
that
the
departmental
goals
aligned
to
them
are
meeting
their
most
recent
targets.
D
Everybody
got
that
very
good.
That's
an
important
concept
snapshot
in
time,
so
looking
at
getting
into
the
goal.
So
looking
at
the
increased
kindergarten
readiness
goal,
both
the
libraries
and
strategic
partnerships
which
align
to
increase
kindergarten
readiness
achieve
the
targets
of
their
goals,
which
were
associated
with
the
preschool
outreach
program
were
pop
and
the
early
childhood
education
fund.
D
Okay,
so
just
a
quick
reminder:
once
again,
the
visuals
represent
the
most
recently
reported
results.
Thus,
given
that
the
goals
you
see
on
this
slide
that
are
read,
please
know
that
there
is
plenty
of
time
still
remaining
to
get
these
back
on
track.
So
we've
got
a
pretty
long
runway
to
reverse
course
on
these
two
they
are
red,
like
I
said,
for
the
most
recently
reported
results.
D
So
looking
at
the
expand
and
maintained
cultural
recreational
assets,
goal,
there's
been
made
progress
towards
increasing
the
number
of
county
recreational
assets.
For
example,
there's
been
a
new
paddle
boat
fleet
launched
at
lake
julian,
the
first
county
dog
park
has
been
opened.
There's
ongoing
development
of
greenways
and
also
under
development,
is
a
park
safety
and
master
plan.
D
In
terms
of
the
challenges
that
this
goal
that
they've
been
that
the
department
is
facing.
With
this
goal,
really
the
biggest
one
is
around
rising
costs
due
to
supply
chain
issues,
as
well
as
land
scarcity,
flipping
gears,
we're
flipping
to
the
increased
access
and
public
transportation,
including
public
transit
and
paratransit
services.
D
However,
this
one
has
been
impacted,
particularly
over
the
course
of
the
past
two
years
as
a
result
of
driver
shortages
due
to
the
pandemic.
A
D
D
Okay,
so
looking
at
the
reduced
jail
population,
an
enhanced
public
safety
goal,
you
can
see
this
one
is
yellow.
Some
noteworthy
progress
that
has
been
made
is
that
the
county,
in
partnership
with
community
members
and
service
providers
have
implemented
a
violence
interrupters
program
which
is
currently
operating
in
two
neighborhoods
that
have
been
disproportionately
impacted
by
violent
crime.
D
Shifting
gears
quickly
and
looking
at
challenges,
you
can
see
that
the
pandemic
is
called
out
for
both
of
these
goals
as
a
challenge
specific
to
reducing
the
jail
population.
The
pandemic
has
significantly
impacted
the
way
in
which
the
court
system
operates,
creating
sizeable
backlogs
and
longer
case,
processing
times
quickly.
Looking
at
the
eliminate
deaths
as
a
result
of
substance
abuse
goal,
both
public
health
and
social
work
departments
have
been
able
to
provide
valuable
services
to
the
community.
Despite
the
significant
headwinds
of
the
pandemic,
however,
both
departments
have
indicated
that
there
have
been
challenges.
C
So,
on
environmental
and
energy
stewardship
home
weatherization
is
at
nearly
back
to
pre-pandemic
levels,
actually
we're
ahead
of
pace
for
2022.,
and
this
is
some
of
the
progress
we've
made
here-
has
been
in
the
new
residential
solar
contract-
that's
actually
180,
which
is
equivalent
of
1.4
megawatts,
and
this
includes
12
low-income
installations
and
projects.
However,
there
are
some
headwinds
here.
C
C
They've
had
a
record-breaking
18
conservation.
Easement
projects
during
this
reported
period
for
context
is
typically
six.
So
that's
very,
very
good.
However,
there
are
limitations
on
what
they
can
do
regarding
the
funding
methodology
that
is
used
by
the
usda
and
the
north
carolina
department
of
agriculture,
where
they
parcel
out
a
pot
of
money,
and
you
can
only
get
so
much
of
it.
So
it's
there's
a
limitation
there.
C
And
vibrant
economy,
so
these
goals
are
are
on
track
for
this
reporting
period,
for
increasing
the
median
household
income
and
to
the
north
carolina
benchmark,
we've
been
growing
local
businesses.
That's
resulted
in
a
lot
more
good
paying
jobs
and
expanding
broadband
to
point
to
a
few
expansions
from
a
system.
Logistics,
corporation
borg
warner
will
create
200
plus
jobs,
with
an
average
wage
of
26
dollars
per
hour
and
nearly
70
million
in
capital
investment
with
broadband.
This
county
has
committed
to
expanding
unserved
areas,
including
rural
buncombe,
county
and
the
housing
authority
of
asheville.
C
However,
we're
also
investing
in
equitable
job
growth,
1.25
million
allocated
to
the
mountain
community
capital
fund,
which
is
a
small
business
loan
program
that
helps
create
jobs.
In
fact,
320
jobs
and
there's
also
been
375
000
allocated
to
the
community
equity
fund
to
provide
equity
capital
for
local
businesses
for
startups.
There
are
challenges
here
as
well.
However,
there
are
sector
specific
work,
workforce
deficits
in
terms
of
skills
and
some
example
sectors
would
include
advanced
manufacturing
and
health
care.
It's
not
limited
to
those,
but
those
are
two
we're
refining
some
headwinds
and
skilled
workforce.
C
Growing
land
values
are
also
a
challenge
in
land
scarcity.
It
makes
development
of
industrial
locations
more
difficult
and
it's
increased
the
competition
for
the
land
for
other
uses.
So
those
are
some
headwinds
in
that
regard
and
for
implementing
land
use
strategies
that
encourage
affordable
housing
near
transportation
and
jobs.
C
So
the
affordable
housing
committee
will
be
talking
about
their
goals
that
they
set
here
shortly,
and
we
can
report
that
108,
affordable
housing
units
were
created
during
this
reporting
period
and
those
were
mixed.
Some
are
single
family
homes,
some
were
through
the
home
repair
program
and
other
tenant
based
rental
assistance.
C
The
problem
not
really
a
problem,
but
one
of
the
challenges
with
tracking
progress
of
this
particular
goal
is
that
project
completion
is
sometimes
long
and
falls
outside
the
scope
of
a
given
reporting
period
but
might
show
up
later.
So
this
is
one
of
those
that
may
be
a
feast
or
famine
kind
of
goal,
and
that's
just
the
way
it
swings
with
that
particular
project.
C
C
We've
made
strides
in
some
areas,
but
we
have
some
work
to
do
in
others.
As
far
as
macro
trends
are
concerned,
things
like
poverty
and
the
ability
to
age
in
place.
It's
a
little
too
soon
to
tell
those
tend
to
be
lagging
indicators,
but
whenever
we
do
have
that
information
available,
we
look
forward
to
sharing
it
with
you
at
a
future
update
and
with
that
we
will
happily
take
your
questions.
A
I
have
just
one
question
I
want
to
make
sure
I
heard
correctly.
Certainly
the
paddle
boat
project
is
on
track.
It's
on
track,
all
right,
love,
paddle,
boats,
all
right
guys.
Thanks
for
the
update,
we
appreciate
it
thanks
for
the
great
work
with
all
the
different
teams
working
to
advance
these
strategic
goals,
all
right.
Commissioners,
the
next
item
on
the
agenda
is
the
code
enforcement
team
process
and
bob
haynes
and
nate
pennington
are
here
to
help
us
out
with
this.
E
Good
afternoon,
commissioners
hope
everybody's
doing
well,
nathan,
pennington,
here
planning
director.
We
wanted
to
come
to
you
all
to
bring
forward
an
update
on
code
enforcement.
This
is
a
collaborative
effort
and
we'd
like
to
introduce
a
project.
That's
been
in
the
works
kind
of
in
the
background
during
the
the
covid
time
period,
and
today
I'm
happy
to
tell
you
that
we
have
permits
and
inspections,
environmental
health,
solid
waste,
legal,
the
sheriff's
office,
air
quality
and
the
fire
marshal
all
assembled
here
together.
E
We're
going
to
introduce
you
to
a
number
of
subject
matter
experts,
and
we
hope
that
it
brings
a
little
bit
more
clarity
in
terms
of
when
you
open
your
email,
inbox
and
and
you
receive
concerns,
and
so
we're
going
to
walk
you
through
and
we're
going
to.
Let
you
ask
a
lot
of
questions
and
then
each
department
has
two
slides
and
then
we'll
just
kind
of
go
from
there
and
before
I
forget,
I
want
to
go
ahead
and
introduce
to
you
formally
mr
jeff
bird.
E
E
Okay,
so
we
all
know
what
these
look
like:
complaints
can
typically
be
broken
down
into
two
buckets
life:
safety
versus
aesthetics
and
nuisance.
We
all
know
that
as
more
and
more
folks
move
here
from
across
the
country,
there's
a
tendency
sometimes
to
import
your
own
expectations
of
where
you
might
have
come
from.
We
also
know
that,
as
the
county
continues
to
urbanize,
that
that
increasingly
creates
an
urban
and
rural
interface.
E
So
someone
might
move
here
and
not
appreciate
the
the
rooster
crowing
or
the
guns
that
are
being
fired
out
in
our
more
rural
areas,
and
then
we
move
to
some
of
the
ones
that
are
more
a
lot
more
problematic
I've.
Someone
has
built
a
home
without
permits.
E
Yes,
that
happens,
probably
more
so
than
you
think,
dealt
with
a
lot
of
we'll
talk
about
what
covets
done
here
in
just
a
second,
but
we've
dealt
with
some
pretty
egregious
violations
over
the
past
few
years:
lots
of
floodplain
violations,
environmental
health,
including
the
pump
pumping
of
raw
sewage
on
the
ground,
burning
of
trash
and
debris.
E
The
most
problematic
in
that
case
is
household
trash,
also
mattresses
and
tires,
and
ashley
can
speak
to
that
here
in
just
a
moment.
So
it's
kind
of
all
over
the
place.
You
never
know
what
you're
gonna
get
so
the
way
this
is
broken
down
for
the
county
is
that
in
that
code
of
ordinances,
and
that
is
an
official
picture
of
the
bunker
county
code
and
ordinances
in
front
of
my
door-
is
that
it's
broken
down
by
by
components.
E
So,
for
instance,
animal
control
is
the
bunker
county,
sheriff's
office
buildings
and
building
regulations.
That's
permits
and
inspections.
A
little
known
is
the
fact
that
we
have
adult
establishment
regulations.
The
planning
department
actually
does
a
yearly
inspection
of
our
our
two
establishments
in
this
county.
There's
a
pawn
brokers,
provision
that
the
sheriff's
office
has
to
look
at.
E
We
know
air
quality,
the
junk
yards,
noise,
erosion
control,
junk
vehicles,
storm
water
and
environmental
health.
We
have
what's
called
delegated
agencies,
so
environmental
health
is
delegated
by
the
state
of
north
carolina
to
issue
permits
for
things
like
wells
and
septic
permits,
but
they
do
a
lot
more
than
just
that
and
and
jessica
can
speak
to
that,
the
fire
marshal
is
here.
The
fire
marshal
can
tell
you
about
some
of
the
inspections
that
they
do
as
it
relates
to
access
and
commercial
buildings.
E
We
do
a
lot
in
planning,
so
those
are
just
sort
of
broken
up
all
throughout
and
then
solid
waste.
We
get
a
lot
of
complaints
as
it
relates
to
right
now.
There's
just
a
lot
of
litter.
There's
a
lot
of
litter,
not
only
here
but
across
the
country.
Just
about
everywhere
you
go,
you're
gonna
see
an
increase
in
litter,
so
we
talked
about
the
pandemic
and
what
that
did?
E
It
absolutely
exacerbated
the
situation
and
here's
why,
at
the
very
beginning,
we
were
all
sent
home
to
work
largely
and
what
that
did
was
it
gave
people
an
opportunity
that
were
away
of
eight
hours
of
the
day
to
say:
hey.
What's
my
neighbor
doing
over
there?
What's
all
this
noise,
I
don't
necessarily
like
this.
I'm
going
to
call
somebody,
so
we
saw
an
absolute
increase
in
complaint
cases
and
in
a
very
large
backlog,
there's
been
a
backlog
and
sometimes
in
the
hundreds,
especially
in
planning
and
solid
waste.
E
One
of
the
things
that's
absolutely
key
that
we
do
is
public
education.
What
the
county
can
do
what
the
county
cannot
do.
Let
me
give
you
an
example.
So,
for
instance,
we've
got
a
lot
of
people
that
have
been
working
on
projects
all
through
the
pandemic,
because
one
of
those
things
somebody
you
had
to
have
something
to
keep
going
well,
sometimes
permits
didn't
get
pulled.
So
you
know
there
might
have
been
an
instance
where
a
farmer
wanted
to
fix
a
crook
in
a
river
yeah.
E
That's
a
big
deal,
but
the
way
that
we
partner
together
and
work
on
these
things
is,
I
call
jennifer
harrison
from
soil
water
and
I
say:
hey:
can
you
all
come
out
with
me
and
help
explain
why
you
don't
want
to
do
that
or
why
you
want
to
do
that?
The
correct
way,
so
in
a
minute
we're
going
to
describe
how
we
all
came
together
as
a
team.
E
E
We've
also
seen
a
lot
of
social
issues
crop
up.
So
that's
why
I
put
in
their
poverty
substance,
abuse,
homelessness.
We've
worked
closely
and
maybe
at
some
other
future
briefing.
We
can
talk
about
community
paramedics
and
the
role
that
they
play.
We've
tried
to
develop
resource
cards,
especially
when,
when
there's
an
instance
of
somebody
might
be
losing
their
home
or
something
to
that
effect
or
someone's
home
burns
down,
I
mean
it
can
run
the
gamut
so
that
situational
awareness
issues
related
to
neighbor
versus
neighbor
also
has
increased
litigation.
E
We
all
know
that
that,
if
someone's
down
on
their
luck,
they
might
have
a
roof
that
has
a
hole
in
it
and
that
starts
to
create
a
snowball
effect.
So
our
strategy
here
is
to
kind
of
jump
in
and
assist.
Where
possible,
you
got
a
leaky
roof
hey.
We
got
an
affordable
housing
services
program.
You
got
this
issue
hey.
We
have
this
resource
available
to
you.
E
We
would
basically
tell
you
all
that
we
are
your
support
network
and
that's
why
you're
going
to
be
introduced
to
all
your
subject
matter,
experts
and
then
later
on
we're
going
to
tell
you
give
you
some
additional
tools.
E
The
other
thing,
too,
is
that
we
work
with
a
lot
of
outside
agencies.
So
all
those
acronyms
stand
for
the
department
of
environmental
quality
army
corps
of
engineers,
north
carolina,
department
of
transportation,
the
metropolitan
sewerage
district,
and
many
many
many
more,
and
the
idea
too
is
there's
nothing
to
keep
us
from
being
creative,
so
we're
going
to
continue
to
come
up
with
innovative
solutions
to
chip
away
again
at
some
of
these.
These
issues,
so
at
the
top
left
corner,
is
going
to
be
each
discipline
that
you're
going
to
see
today.
E
So,
for
example,
there's
going
to
be
a
couple
pictures
in
here
for
planning
tropical
storm
fred
created
a
lot
of
things
that
we
had
to
clean
up.
It
also
created
a
number
of
tricky
flood
permitting
issues.
This
building,
in
particular
here,
unfortunately,
was
constructed
near
a
floodway
without
proper
permits.
That's
a
failed
stormwater
pond.
This
is
an
erosion
control
violation,
and
this
is
an
example
of
where
you
would
see
multiple
disciplinary
code
enforcement
issues.
E
E
E
If,
for
whatever
reason
we
can't
get
there,
we
issue
a
notice
of
violation,
and
almost
every
case
is
unique,
although
that
some
are
similar,
so
you
might
have
a
junk
vehicle
on
one
lot
that
might
be
the
same
as
another,
but
oftentimes,
that's
not
the
case
across
the
county,
just
like
no
two
lots
are
created
equally,
there's
an
appeal
process
associated
with
various
boards,
depending
on
how
the
ordinance
is
structured
and
written
and
legal
remedies
will
be
discussed
later
in
the
presentation.
G
Good
afternoon,
bob
haynes
permits
inspections
before
we
get
started
just
like
to
say
that
we
are
in
the
process
of
creating
a
master
complaint
case,
and
we
have
one
person
to
contact
and
jason
rogers
is
that
contact
from
our
department
he's
assistant
director.
So
if
any
of
y'all
get
a
complaint
and
you
wish
to
move
it
on
jason
will
do
that
he'll.
Do
the
boots
on
the
ground
find
out
who
all
needs
involved
and
spread
out
from
there.
Anybody
needing
information
about
that
can
just
contact,
jason
and
so
continuing
on
this
structure.
G
Here
was
from
a
complaint
that
some
of
y'all
familiar
with.
I
think
it
was
on
dick's
creek,
and
we
got
this
when
the
end
jason
made
a
site
visit
along
with
solid
waste
and
planting.
I
think
jeff
went
with
him
on
that
one,
so
it
was
an
elderly
individual
on
there
and
we
actually
reached
out
to
stoney
to
get
some
adult
aid
for
the
individual
there,
I'm
not
sure
exactly
where
we're
all
in
the
whole
process
of
everything
on
that
one.
But
we
go
out
and
we
see
many
different
things.
G
G
We
have
a
14-day
period
for
them
to
make
the
corrections
to
get
it
secure.
If
they
don't,
then
we
have
to
have
a
hearing
within
10
days
of
that,
and
then
we
give
them
60
days
to
comply
with
our
final
order.
They
still
do
not
comply.
Then
we
have
to
come
back
and
go
through
the
whole
condemnation
process,
putting
it
out
to
bid
and
stuff
like
that.
So
once
we
go
through
that,
then
we
put
a
lien
on
their
property.
G
There's
the
timeline
we
typically
once
we
receive
the
complaint.
We
typically
get
out
there
within
two
days
maximum
to
see
what
all
is
involved
and
who
else
we
need
to
notify.
G
Sometimes
we
take
those
other
departments
with
us
if
we
can
get
them
quick
enough
and
again
on
the
time
frame
if
legal
needs
to
get
involved
and
everything
like
that,
we
do
that.
But
typically,
within
a
couple
of
days,
we
got
boots
on
the
ground
finding
out
what
all
needs
done
and
then
everybody's
processes
will
start
from
there.
Ours
is
not
as
bad
as
some
of
the
other
departments
for
processes
just
because
ours
deals
more
with
life
safety
and
it's
a
more
quicker
turnaround.
Time.
H
H
H
The
minimum
standards
vary
greatly.
You
can
go
to
your
local
bank
they're
required
to
have
a
fire
extinguisher
of
proper
size,
exit
lighting
and
emergency
lighting.
In
case
power
goes
out
and
you
can
go
all
the
way
to
the
other
end
of
the
gamut.
The
biggest
project
I've
ever
taken
on,
of
course,
is
pratt
and
whitney.
H
H
That
thing
got
me
too,
mr
chairman,
I
apologize
for
that.
A
lot
of
what
we're
seeing
now
is
rural
urban
invading
earl,
and
this
has
been
played
out
with
wildfires
commercial
multi-family
developments
are
crossing
into
rural
areas.
H
H
H
H
H
Far
west
candler,
very
rural
areas
tend
to
get
cut
off
and
with
access,
single-family
homes
and
no
enforcement.
I
kind
of
put
this
at
the
bottom.
Do
we
solve
this
issue
with
ordinance
at
ordinance
levels
or
with
working
with
planning,
or
do
we
solve
the
access
issues
at
the
building
permit
level?
What
is
already
billed
is
built.
I
know
we
can't
go
back
received
a
complaint
yesterday
from
a
citizen.
H
H
H
I
Good
afternoon,
commissioners,
I'm
kim
spillers
and
I'm
the
environmental
control
enforcement
specialist,
and
I
deal
with
general
statutes,
6228
and
6229
on
this
slide.
You'll
see
that
the
duties
of
the
responsibility
of
the
property
owners
is
to
maintain
their
property
in
a
clean
sanitary
or
orderly
appearance,
no
open
dumps
and
to
remove
and
properly
dispose
of
solid
waste.
I
I
If
safe,
if
we
deem
it
safe,
looks
safe,
we
will
attempt
to
contact
the
property
owner
or
the
tenant
at
that
point
and
give
them
a
verbal
warning.
After
that
we
in
response
inspect
after
15
days.
If
no
improvement,
then
I
will
issue
a
formal
nov
through
the
mail
we'll
reinspect
again
after
15
days,
hoping
they'll
improve
some.
I
If
not,
then
I
will
issue
a
final
nov
through
the
mail
if,
after
another
15
days,
basically
45
days,
total
nothing
has
become
of
it,
then
we
could
go
to
6229,
which
offers
we
can
offer
for
the
county
to
clean
it
up
and
they
reimburse
the
county
for
the
cost
of
that
next
sign.
A
I
have
a
question
sure
if
you
take
that
final
step,
how
does
the
county
compel
compliance
with
the
payment
requirement
to
reimburse
the
county.
I
On
6229,
we
have
a
in
the
ordinance.
It
says
that
we
can
clean
it
up
and
ask
that
they
reimburse
the
county
for
that.
So
brandon
freeman
came
up
with
a
form
that
we
have
them
sign.
That
gives
us
rights
to
be
there
and
and
asked
them
or
tells
them
they
signed
to
pay
back
the
county.
We
have
actually
stated
that
on
that
last
slide
and
she
is
paying
the
county
back
for
that
for
getting
that
cleaned
up.
J
Good
afternoon,
commissioners,
debt
set
off
is
a
process
that
is
open
to
north
carolina,
local
governments,
and
it
can
collect
taxes
that
come
to
people
who
have
been
enrolled
in
that
program
or
lottery
winnings.
There
is
also
an
option
to
attach
liens
to
real
property.
J
My
understanding
after
talking
with
county
officials,
that
that
is
a
less
desired
approach,
but
it
is
an
option
for
the
county
in
these
code
enforcement
cases
and
in
most
of
the
ordinance.
But
the
debt
set
off
program
is
what
is
typically
used
and
to
my
knowledge,
I
don't
think
we've
sent
anything
through
code
enforcement
to
debt
set
off,
but
it
is
an
option.
I
think
we've
had
some
luck
with
compliance.
J
I
The
next
line
kind
of
talks
about
the
litter
roadside
trash
we
partner
with
dot
green
marks
the
railroad
system
to
clean
those
up.
Basically,
it's
a
collaborative
effort
between
everybody
that
owns
property
in
or
near
the
roadways.
I
We
also,
I
also
try
to
encourage
people
to
adopt
a
highway
through
the
ncdot
to
help
with
that
effort,
I
have
some
enforcement
options.
We
can
provide
a
dumpster,
the
county
cleanup
and
then
the
legal
action.
The
dumpster
works
out
real
well,
if
we
can
provide
them
with
the
dumpster
they'll,
usually
comply
and
get
everything
cleaned
up.
For
the
most
part,
I've
had
real
good
luck
with
that.
K
Good
afternoon
my
name
is
jessica
silver,
I'm
the
environmental
health
program
administrator,
and
I'm
really
happy
to
be
before
you
today.
Environmental
health
is
a
function,
a
core
function
of
the
public
health
of
public
health
for
north
carolina.
We
do
get
our
receive
our
authority
to
work
in
our
field
from
the
state.
We
are
part
of
the
north
carolina
division
of
health
and
human
services,
environmental
health
section
and
with
buncombe
county's
hhs,
public
health
section
and
in
north
carolina.
K
So
what
we
normally
see
in
environmental
health.
Complaints
as
it
relates
to
the
code
enforcement
team,
are
our
complaints
or
failures
around
septic
systems,
and
we
view
septic
septic
system
failures
in
three
different
ways.
Either
sewage
is
surfacing
on
the
ground.
That's
considered
a
failure.
Sewage
could
also
be
backing
up
into
someone's
house.
K
Our
complaint
process,
because
we
are,
we
do
receive
our
delegation
through
the
state.
We
have
to
follow
the
state's
guidelines
for
how
we
follow
up
on
complaints.
We
receive
an
initial
complaint
and
at
that
initial
site
visit
once
the
complaint
is
verified
right,
we
see
sewage
surfacing
on
the
ground.
K
We
will
issue
a
notice
of
violation
at
that
very
first
site
visit
and
the
main
reason
for
that
notice
of
violation
going
out
at
that
first
sight
visit
is
that
the
state
requires
us
to
issue
three
novs
and
that
could
take
us
up
to
90
days
to
get
through
that
process
and,
as
you
can
imagine
during
that
90-day
time
frame,
if
no
work
has
been
done.
If
it's
a
neighbor
complaining
on
a
neighbor,
then
people
tend
to
get
really
impatient
with
the
process
and
they
don't
understand
it.
K
So
that's
where
public
education
comes
into
play
like
we
really
have
to
say
our
hands
are
tied.
This
is
what
we
can
do,
but
we
will
get
through
this
process.
So
once
the
notice
we've
reached
our
max
on
the
the
notices
of
violation
that
we
have
issued,
we
can
pursue
legal
options
and
I
have
those
listed
one
of
the
all
of
these
legal
options.
K
The
health
director
can
work
well,
can
we
we
take
the
issue
to
the
health
director
and
the
health
director
can
help
us
make
a
recommendation
to
our
county
attorney
either
to
go
with
an
injunction
which
it
says
basically
have
to.
You
have
to
rid
your
property
of
the
public
health
violation,
or
we
could
do
an
abatement
that
says
you
have
to.
You
have
to
fix
the
problem
and
what
normally
happens
or
what
we?
K
What
we
normally
see
is
issuing
an
imminent
hazard
that
says
that
if
this
is
not
fixed,
then
it
could
cause
environmental
harm
to
the
environment
or
harm
to
the
general
public's
health.
There's
also
an
option
for
pursuing
a
misdemeanor.
A
Are
there
any
if
you
get
a
notice
of
violation,
the
first
one?
Are
there
any
financial
consequences
that
go
with
that
or
is
it?
What
does
it
mean
you're
going
to
notice
a
violation?
I
guess
is
what
I'm
wondering.
K
K
K
K
Septic
septic
systems
are
designed
to
work
by
collecting,
collecting
the
sewage,
dispersing
the
sewage
and
then
treating
the
water
through
absorption
into
the
ground,
and
a
failure
can
occur
at
any
point
in
the
system
right
so
like.
If
a
tank
lid
is
cracked
because
someone
drove
over
that
septic
tank,
and
that
does
happen
or
someone
I
talked
to
someone
last
week
who
built
a
concrete
pad
on
there
on
their
drain
field
and
caused
back
up
into
their
house.
A
So
so
there's
no
penalty
after
the
first
one
and
then
you
can
issue
another
one
in
30
days,
it's
90
days
total.
So
I
said
you
have
to
wait
30
days
to
issue
the
second
one.
K
A
K
Yes
and
what
I
will
say
about
that,
once
we
get
into
the
realm
of
following
the
the
court
system,
the
legal
system
then
we're
at
the
mercy
of
the
scheduling
at
the
at
the
court
level.
A
A
K
Then
we
can
we'll
we'll
take
it
to
the
health
director
and
say
hey
this.
For
instance,
this
property
owner
is
delaying
or
not
installing
a
repair
system,
or
they
don't
have
a
septic
system
at
all
and
they're
just
disposing
of
their
waste
on
the
ground.
What
can
we?
What
would
you
like
for
us
to
do
at
that
point?
We
get
well
before
that
point.
We've
gotten
county
legal
involved
to
say
hey.
K
A
Okay,
but
we
never
issue
fines
like
that's,
not
one
of
the
tools.
We
can
file
a
legal
action
and
try
to
compel
compliance
through
those
means,
but
it
doesn't
ever
involve
like
a
100
a
day
or
something
like
that.
That's
not
part
of
what
you
can
do.
L
Good
afternoon,
commissioners,
ashley
featherstone
with
asheville
buncombe
air
quality,
and
I
have
kevin
lance
with
me.
He
implements
our
open
burning
program,
among
other
things,
so
I
just
wanted
to
run
through
our
open
burning
regulations
and
the
most
frequent
complaints
that
we
receive
see.
If
you
have
any
questions
here
in
north
carolina,
open
burning
regulations
are
part
of
the
air
pollution
code
that
is
implemented
by
the
state
and
three
local
agencies
and
burning
is
allowed
under
certain
circumstances.
L
So
it
is
legal
to
burn
naturally
occurring
vegetation
that
grows
on
your
property,
and
that
is
only
between
the
hours
of
eight
and
six,
and
only
if
you
live
in
an
area
where
there
is
no
public
pickup
for
yard
waste.
There
are
other
instances
where
it's
allowed
for
a
variety
of
things
like
campfires
agricultural
burning
things
of
that
nature,
also
land,
clearing
open
burning
that
is
also
allowed,
but
it
has
a
separate
section
of
our
regulations.
L
Land
clearing,
open
burning
is
really
big.
Fires
that
are
associated
with
development
of
residential
commercial
right-of-way
maintenance
things
of
that
nature.
These
are
really
large
open
burning
operations
and
there
is
a
setback
requirement.
That's
the
main
requirement
there.
You
have
to
be
at
least
500
feet
from
the
nearest
occupied
dwelling
and
unfortunately,
that
used
to
be
a
thousand
feet
and
that
got
changed
by
the
legislature
back
in
2011.
L
So
we've
had
a
lot
more
complaints
from
residents
about
land
clearing
operations
we
used
to
require
permits
for
those,
but
we
don't
anymore,
but
they
still
have
to
meet
the
requirements.
So
a
lot
of
times
we
get
complaints
from
citizens
residents.
We
go
out
and
find
that
the
developer
is
burning
within
that
500
feet
and
sometimes
they're
not,
but
we
still,
you
know
they
still
have
impacts.
So
a
big
part
of
what
we
do
is
just
going
out
to
determine
whether
or
not
something
is
meeting
the
requirements
or
not
so
we're
a
little
bit.
L
L
L
We
do
have
the
ability
to
issue
civil
penalties.
25
000
is
the
maximum
penalty
that
any
state
or
local
air
pollution
agency
in
north
carolina
can
issue.
But
of
course
that's
that's
very
rare.
That
is
the
maximum.
L
We
also
have
the
ability
to
have
criminal
enforcement
actions
as
well,
but
majority
of
the
time,
it's
civil
penalties
that
we
issue
and
we
are
beginning
to
use
the
debt
set
off
process
for
those.
All
of
these
penalties
go
to
the
school
board
in
buncombe
county
and
we
are
allowed
to
charge
a
small
administrative
fee
as
part
of
that
process.
L
We
do
work
closely
with
the
fire
departments
and
they
actually
respond
to
a
lot
of
these
complaints
and
handle
them.
They
sometimes
call
us
in
because
if
they
go
out
to
some
place
multiple
times
and
tell
people,
you
know
what
their
burnings
illegally
and
they
get
called
back.
They
know
that
we
have
the
ability
to
issue
the
civil
penalties,
so
lots
of
times.
They'll
call
us
in
if
the
residents
aren't
calling
us
directly
so
that
we
can
try
to
get
the
problem
corrected
and
one
of
the
things
we
do.
L
We
really
just
want
people
to
be
in
compliance.
Some
of
the
places
where
we
find
the
illegal
burning
residents
don't
have
trash
pickups.
So
as
an
incentive,
we
will,
we
will
say,
hey.
We
can
issue
a
fine,
but
if
you
will
get
trash
pick
up
or
show
us
that
that
you're
going
to
do
that,
then
we
will.
We
will
waive
it
the
first
time.
So
that's
been
helpful
in
a
lot
of
situations
and
we
really
appreciate
working
with
nate
and
his
team
with
the
code
enforcement.
L
It's
been
very
beneficial
for
us
to
talk
through
these
cases
with
other
departments
and
any
questions.
A
And,
and
how
do
you,
I
guess,
and
I'm
kind
of
just
curious
with
the
different
departments
like
like
how
do
you
make
the
decision
around
like?
Let's
do
we
need
to
do
a
penalty
here
or,
let's
you
know,
give
them
a
pass
on
this
case
like
what's
the
criteria
you
use,
and
do
you
sometimes
like?
If
do
you
sometimes
do
a
penalty?
On
the
first
occasion.
L
Yes,
we
do,
we
have
a
civil
penalty
policy
and
we
we
kind
of
we
follow.
We
fall
under
the
north
carolina
general
statutes
as
far
as
the
penalties
and
so
they're
not
set,
but
we
do
also
correspond
with,
like
say,
department
of
environmental
quality
and
look
at
their
fines
and
and
use
those
as
a
little
bit
of
a
guideline.
L
But
it
is,
it
is
pretty
prescriptive.
We
have,
it
spelled
out
whether
it's
a
resident
versus
a
business,
how
big
the
burn
pile
is
what
it
contained.
Was
it
illegal
materials?
Was
it
one
pickup
truck
full
versus?
Was
it
you
know
two
pickup
trucks
or
you
know
very
large
areas.
So
sometimes
we
don't
issue
a
fine
on
the
first
time,
but
the
ones
that
are
more
egregious
than
we
typically
do.
L
F
M
Okay,
all
right
good
afternoon,
everyone
good
afternoon,
I'm
jim
robinson,
I'm
the
supervisor
of
the
animal
services
division
at
the
buncombe
county
sheriff's
office,
it's
kind
of
hard
to
squeeze
what
we
do
on
the
two
slides
here.
You
know,
in
addition
to
animal
cruelty
investigations.
M
One
of
our
most
important
functions
is
the
rabies
protocols
and
we
do
that
in
a
partnership
with
the
disease
control
division
of
the
health
department.
So
we
document
somewhere
around
500
potential
rabies
exposures
every
year
in
buncombe
county.
We
implement
we
document
these.
We
forward
that
to
the
health
department
so
that
they
can
implement
their
protocols.
M
Then
we
also
administer
quarantines
and
rabies
testing
on
in
some
cases
and
try
to
follow
up
with
the
animal
owners
involved,
make
sure
we've
got
vaccinations
updated
if
they're,
not
in
compliance,
but
that
is
one
of
our
most
important
functions
there.
You
know
with
rabies
being
100
fatal
and
all
dangerous
animals,
primarily
dangerous
dogs.
We
get
a
lot
of
complaints
about
that
and
you
know
a
lot
of
animal
bites,
but
not
every
time
the
the
the
neighbors
boston
terrier
runs
out
and
tags
a
mailman.
That's
not
that's!
M
Not
a
dangerous
dog,
you
know,
but
we
do
have
quite
a
few
animals
that
have
been
allowed
to
run
at
large
in
the
neighborhood
and
have
genuinely
endangered
the
public
at
large
or
someone
within
that
household.
If
they've
injured
them
seriously,
we
have
to
deal
with
those
things
with
a
lot
of
times
by
declaring
the
animals
potentially
dangerous
and
putting
in
place
preventive
measures,
orders
that
require
confinement
and
other
measures
to
prevent
there
being
further
incidents
and
and
when
we
can,
we
try
to
implement
the
preventive
measures
prior
to
someone
being
injured.
M
M
We've
got
a
lot
of
these
cats
that
multiply
and
populate
these
areas,
and
several
years
ago,
buncombe
county
implemented
a
program:
jim
holland,
the
assistant
county
manager,
at
that
time
and
sheriff
duncan,
and
the
administration
of
the
actual
humane
society
put
in
place
a
plant
as
a
trap,
neuter
and
return
program
to
try
to
trap
these
cats
in
these
areas
neuter
spay
and
neuter
them,
vaccinate
them
for
abs
and
return
them
to
where
they
were
found
and
there's
a
whole
big
long,
drawn-out
explanation
for
why
they
feel
that's
effective.
M
But
at
the
end
of
the
day
I
agree
with
them.
It's
you
can
trap
cats
all
day
long
until
you're
blue
in
the
face
you're
never
going
to
get
them
all
and
if
you're
leaving
them
out
there
unaltered
they're
going
to
repopulate
and
so
far
I
I
was
really
amazed.
I
figured
that
we
would
have
got
a
an
enormous
outcry
from
the
community
about
that.
But
you
know
we
do
have
some
grumbling
about
it.
We
don't
want
them
trapped
and
brought
back.
M
We
we
want
them
gone,
but
by
and
large
people
have
been
very
receptive
to
this
and
I
think
it's
doing
a
lot
of
good
the
organizations
that
do
the
trap,
neuter
and
return
or
private
organizations.
Brother,
wolf,
friends
to
ferals
sister,
kittens
and
they're
doing
that
at
their
expense
too.
By
the
way
and
the
involvement
of
animal
services
with
cats
has
been
limited
to
picking
up
cats
that
are
needed
for
quarantine,
bite,
quarantines
or
they're
sick
or
injured.
M
Picking
up
owner
surrendered
animals,
the
shelter
here
a
couple
years
ago
had
to
put
in
place
what's
called
a
managed
intake
system,
because
they
were,
you
know
up
until
then,
people
could
just
bring
their
animal
in
and
surrender.
It
turn
around,
walk
off
and
leave,
and
I'm
actually
still
kind
of
in
favor
of
that.
But
you
know,
because
I
always
fear
that
animals
are
going
to
be
left
somewhere,
where
they're
not
wanted.
M
If
people
don't
have
the
ability
to
surrender
them,
but
they
seem
to
be
doing
pretty
well,
what
they're
doing
is
when
someone
comes
in,
they
tell
them.
Okay,
we've
got
to
schedule
an
appointment
for
you
to
come
in
here's
some
resources
that
you
can
check
in
the
meantime
that
might
help
you
allow
you
to
keep
your
animal
and
then,
if
that
hasn't
helped
them
by
the
time
their
appointment
comes
in,
they
they
they
go
and
surrender
the
animal
as
planned.
M
You
know
we
run
into
a
situation
where
the
animals
may
be
not
being
well
cared
for,
or
it's
a
nuisance
or
it's
dangerous
or
if
you
have,
the
owners
are
being
evicted.
You
know
they're
living
in
their
car
domestic
violence,
something
that
nature.
We
can
go
ahead
bypass,
that
process
and
admit
those
animals
to
the
shelter.
M
But
that's
what
we're
doing
with
the
owner-surrendered
animals
and
this
button
is
not
working.
M
M
Now
we
defer
to
that
exemption
when
we're
dealing
with
that,
because
I
believe,
if
you
ever
found
yourself
in
a
courtroom
battling
over
this,
it's
probably
going
to
be
in
the
realm
of
being
unconstitutionally
vague,
and
so
we
try
to
err
on
that
side.
One
of
the
problems
here
is
there's
no
definition
of
a
farm
animal
there's,
no
definition
of
a
farming
operation.
It
doesn't
say
you
have
to
be
have
a
farming
operation,
just
farm
animal.
So
what
is
a
farm
animal?
M
If
we
observe
that-
and
we
can
cite
them
we'll-
certainly
do
it,
but
99
pounds
out
of
100,
we
show
up,
we
don't
observe
the
problem.
We
don't
hear
the
dog
barking,
that's
keeping
them
awake
at
night.
Our
patrol
officers
respond
after
hours
and
sometimes
they
do,
but
more
often
than
not
we're
not
observing
the
problem.
Firsthand
we'll
tell
the
complainants,
look
if
you
make
recordings
audio
video
recordings
would
come
out
issue
civil
citations,
and
you
know
once
we
issue
a
civil
citation.
M
That's
pretty
much
going
to
be
the
extent
of
our
involvement
after
that.
The
next
step
of
this
process
is,
they
fill
out
a
bark
log.
They
contact
mediation,
attempt
to
mediate
with
the
offending
animal
owner
and
if
that
fails,
then
we
give
them
a
letter.
Take
the
magistrate's
office
to
draw
a
summons
for
their
neighbor
for
violating
the
barking
ordinance.
M
A
A
M
Well,
we
do
have
the
civil
fines.
We
certainly
have
the
civil
fines,
but
that's
kind
of
like
saying,
stop
or
I'll
tell
you
stop
again,
because
if
they
don't
pay,
you
know
we
do
have
the
debt
set
off
program.
That's
been
mentioned
here,
but
a
lot
of
the
people
you're
dealing
with
they.
They
don't
get
tax
refunds,
they
don't
win
the
lottery,
so
you're
not
going
to
collect
that
money
from
them.
M
So
you
can
write
those
tickets
until
you're
blue
in
the
face
and
you're
still
you're,
probably
killing
more
trees
than
you're
anything
just
quite
honestly,
but
we
we
we
do
the
best
that
we
can
with
this.
We
do
walk
them
through
the
process
and
you
know
if
it
makes
it
to
the
stage
that
they
go
to
the
court.
I
think
a
lot
of
the
offending
animal
owners.
M
A
M
Complaints
and
as
someone
that
is
mentioned
here
earlier
about
people
bringing
their
expectations
with
them
when
they
move
here,
you
know
they
move
into
a
next
farm
and
then
they
can
they
smell.
They
complain
about
the
smell
of
the
cows
or
the
pigs
and
stuff.
Like
that,
it's
a
very
subjective
thing
and
I,
I
can't
think
of
a
single
situation
where
I've
walked
in
and
said.
Oh,
my
lord,
that
is
terrible.
M
I've
got
to
issue
a
citation
against
these
folks.
You
know
more
often
than
not.
If
I
got
someone
that
insists
that
it's
a
problem
with
them
I'll
say,
look
meet
me
at
the
magistrate's
office
and
I
will
explain
to
the
magistrate
that
you
know
this
is
an
offense
and
they
can't
issue
the
summons
and
they're
going
to
listen
to
what
you
got
to
say
and
decide
whether
or
not
to
issue
a
charge
on
your
behalf.
M
I
don't
know
that
I've
ever
seen
that
happen
once
some
people
will
complain
about
runoff
of
animal
waste.
Well,
you
know,
unless
I
see
animal
waste,
that's
washed
off
on
their
property,
not
much.
I
can
do
about
that
I'll.
If
I
get
something
like
that
a
lot
of
times,
I
will
talk
to
the
health
department
to
their
wastewater
runoff
folks
and
see
if
they've
got
any
kind
of
solutions
for
that
problem.
M
But
that's
about
all
I've
got
what
kind
of
questions
do
you
folks
have
for
me.
E
Much
all
right,
we
have
legal
and
then
I'll
pop
back
up
here,
we'll
answer
any
remaining
questions
and
bring
some
closure
to
some
of
the
themes
that
have
been
brought
up
here
today.
J
All
right
so
you've,
you've
heard
from
a
lot
of
folks
here
who
are
walking
code
books
in
their
field
of
expertise,
legal
gets
to
work
in
a
support
function
with
these
groups
and
and
help
them
try
to
work
through
some
of
their
more
difficult
cases,
and
what
legal
support
looks
like
depends
on
the
department
and
and
what
they're
facing
just
to
circle
back
a
little
bit
on
the
animal
issues.
J
The
the
the
log
of
of
of
barking
and
and
things
like
that
were
developed
at
the
court
process.
So
that's
not
really
a
county
function,
that's
something
that
the
courts
have
required
people
to
do,
because
there
are
a
lot
of
neighbors
who
do
not
like
the
way
their
animals
next
door
make
noise.
It
can
be
a
really
thorny
issue,
but
we're
happy
to
to
look
into
any
improvements
that
we
might
be
able
to
make.
So
when
legal
works
for
these
departments,
I
think
that
we
we
keep
a
a
few
things
in
mind.
J
Our
biggest
recommendation
is
to
prioritize
these
cases
a
lot
of
times
the
cases
that
make
it
in
front
of
these
departments
and
the
ones
that
get
the
most
complaints
are
not
the
life
safety
issues,
but
are
more
aesthetic
issues
or,
and
that's
not
always,
but
a
lot
of
times.
It
is,
and
and
that's
a
really
tough
balance
for
these
departments
to
make.
The
other
issue
we
run
into
is
the
high
demand
versus
the
capabilities.
J
Our
legal
resources
are
not
infinite
and
the
courts
do
get
pretty
clogged
up
with
other
matters.
It's
not
really
a
quick
process
when
things
do
go
to
court,
we've
had
a
lot
of
success
with
creative
solutions
working
with
people
meeting
them
where
they
are
and
and
finding
a
solution
that
everyone
can
live
with.
It's
usually
not
fast,
but
we
do
try
to
to
work
with
folks.
E
So
sort
of
want
to
bring
some
closure
here
to
some
of
the
things
that
you've
heard
today.
One
of
the
one
of
the
key
themes
is,
it's
always
good
to
go
back
and
revisit
your
ordinances.
That's
what
a
comprehensive
planning
process
is
a
lot
of
what
you've
seen
today
with
the
code
of
ordinances.
These
were
brought
about,
based
on
community
input
back
in
the
90s.
E
You
might
have
situations
where
you
have
a
750
000
house,
going
in
next
door
to
a
person
of
lesser
means
out
in
the
county,
and
the
expectation
is
that
their
lifestyle
might
be
different
from
the
person
next
door,
and
these
are
just
some
of
the
things
we're
going
to
have
to
work
through
the
joke
and
planning.
Sometimes,
if
two
parties
walk
away
with
half,
then
you've
fully
done
your
job,
meaning
we're
not
all
we're
not
going
to
make
people
happy.
That's
not
our
job.
E
Our
job
is
to
do
what
what
the
ordinances
say,
and
sometimes
that
doesn't
always
equate
to
a
happy
situation.
The
subject
matter.
Experts
today
are
your
your
your
best
tool
and
we
readily
encourage
you
all
when
you
receive
complaints
to
reach
out
and
let
us
jump
in
and
handle
the
matter
and
then
oftentimes
what
you'll
see
us
do
is
respond
back
with
hey.
We
took
a
look
at
the
situation.
Here's
what
we
found!
Here's
here's,
what
we
can
offer
in
terms
of
mitigating
it
or
bringing
closure
to
a
situation.
E
E
Then
you
have
met
the
folks
today
and
what
I
can
do
is
also
follow
behind
and
give
you
a
list
of
everybody
who
is
in
attendance
and
then
provide
that
in
an
email
so
that
you
have
that
as
well
and
then
what
you've
also
heard
today
are
some
inconsistencies
and
that
ordinances
don't
always
communicate
with
each
other.
This
is
this.
E
Is
our
time
through
the
comprehensive
planning
process
to
hear
from
the
community
and
then
follow
behind
that
with
a
series
of
text
amendments
to
sort
of
clean
up
and
there
there
will
also
be,
of
course,
listening
sessions
we're
getting
ready
to
enter
the
phase
of
the
comprehensive
plan
where
we're
getting
back
to
good,
old-fashioned
in-person
meetings.
We
are
super
excited
about
that,
but
there's
going
to
be
a
lot
of
times
where
you're
going
to
see
disagreement.
N
A
I
guess
just
you
know:
each
of
these
issues
is
different
right,
of
course,
in
the
circumstances
and
the
some
things
are
just
black
and
white.
Other
situations
are
probably
more
ambiguous,
right
or
harder
to
observe,
and
things
like
that,
I
guess
just
like
as
a
high
level
question,
though
thinking
about
it
organizationally,
you
know
this
question
of
you
know
we
say
like
you
know,
our
goal
is
really
forced
to
have
compliance,
get
people
in
compliance
mediate
where
we
can
all
those
kind
of
things.
A
I
mean
that
all
that
all
is
very
appealing
in
a
lot
of
ways,
but
I
mean
I'm
sure
you're
also
aware
of
like
the
idea
of
like
sometimes
people
think
it's
better
to
ask
for
forgiveness
than
permission
right.
So,
if
we're
always
kind
of
going
with
that
frame
of
mind
in
first
I
mean
do
we
risk
people
kind
of
thinking
along
those
lines
too
often
like
the
county's,
not
really
going
to
do
anything,
you
know
just
do
what
you
want
get
caught,
they're,
not
really
going
to
do
anything.
A
I
mean
what
are
your
thoughts
about?
You
know
kind
of
trying
to
take
that
cooperative
approach,
but
also
we
want
people
to
you
know
you
know
not
knowingly
violate
our
public
ordinances
too
right.
So
how
do
you
strike
that
balance?
Yeah.
E
That's
a
great
point:
it's
like
re-entering
a
space
capsule
back
into
the
earth's
atmosphere.
If
you
do
it
too
narrow
you'll
skip
off.
If
you
you
know,
you
have
to
do
it
right.
It's
like
walking
the
edge
of
paper
you'd,
be
surprised
how
many
times
you
pick
up
the
phone
and
say:
hey.
Did
you
know
you
did
this?
Oh
my
gosh,
I
am
so
sorry.
I
will
get
this
cleaned
up
immediately
or
then
you
could
very
well
be
lied
to.
E
But
what's
surprising
is
you
never
know
what
you're
going
to
get
and
you
can
never
go
into
it
with
any
preconceived
notions?
What
I
think
we
need
to
do
is
go
through
this
comprehensive
planning
processes
identify
the
ordinances.
We
would
like
to
see
some
revisions
too
and
come
together
on
some
strategies
now
a
lot
one
thing
that
was
brought
up
today
is
the
state
delegated
authorities.
So
these
are
the
erosion
control.
E
E
I
think
this
is
where
we
innovate,
but
I
do
think
we
do
need
to
revisit
all
of
the
processes
associated
with
every
ordinance
that
we
administer
and
make
sure
that
it's
right
sized
for
today's
conditions.
We
we
do
know
that
the
conditions
in
the
90s
were
not
the
same
as
we're
seeing
now.
So
this
is
our
opportunity
to
do
that.
A
All
right,
nate
and
everybody
appreciate
all
the
presentations
great
job
really
informative
thanks.
Thank
you
all
right,
commissioners.
We
do
have
a
few
minutes
left
over.
So
if
it's
okay,
I
would,
I
think,
love
to
just
kind
of
walk.
We
only
have
four
slides
on
the
affordable
housing
presentation
so
just
to
kind
of
quickly
preview
that
before
our
meeting
at
five,
so
if
we
could
put
that
up
lamar
do
you
have
that
or
does
somebody
have
that.
A
Do
we
it's
online
now,
okay,
okay,
great
great
all
right,
so
it's
the
the
website's
been
updated
too
all
right!
Well,
let's
just
kind
of
walk
through
this
real
quickly
and
just
see
if
there's
any
questions
but
just
to
kind
of
preview.
Some
of
the
numbers.
This
is
very
similar
to
what
we
went
through.
I
guess
it
was
about
maybe
a
little
over
a
month
ago.
Maybe,
but
there
have
been
a
few,
a
few
tweaks
to
some
of
it.
A
It's
still
very
consistent
with
the
general
direction
that
we
discussed,
then,
but
a
few
more
specifics
in
a
couple
of
tweaks
so
just
to
walk
through
this.
So
these
are
the
recommendations
coming
out
of
our
affordable
housing
subcommittee.
For
that
we'd
like
to
ask
the
commission
to
consider-
and
if
the
commission
is
comfortable,
we
could
be
prepared
to
go
ahead
and
endorse
these
goals
this
evening.
A
So
the
the
high
level
goals
that
we've
been
focused
on
and
there
are
other
goals
that
we're
still
working
on
so,
but
we
felt
like
these
are
some
of
the
some
of
the
really
big
goals
that
we
think
we
need
to
be
focused
on
and
we
want
to
go
ahead
and
bring
these
forward
since
we
feel
like
they're
they're
ready.
So
the
the
goals
are
focused
on
increasing
the
supply
of
affordable
rental
housing,
which
is
you
know,
a
lot
of
the
studies.
A
The
boeing
report
identifies
as
the
single
biggest
affordable
housing
need
in
the
county,
but
also
affordable
home
ownership
opportunities,
especially
for
increasing
minority
homeownership,
preserving
the
supply
of
what
we
describe
as
naturally
occurring,
affordable
housing.
You
know
these
might
be.
A
You
know,
mobile
homes
that
were
built
in
the
community
that
were
are
affordable
and
our
emergency
home
repair
program.
A
lot
of
that's
focused
on
allowing
folks
to
safely
remain
in
their
homes.
So
providing
you
know,
but
if
you
have
a
roof
on
your,
if
you
have
a
hole
in
your
roof
or
other
things
that
would
endanger
them
or
make
them
not
safe,
it's
a
way
to
address
those
so
that
people
can
stay
in
their
homes.
A
A
The
high
level
goal
that
we
want
to
support
is
for
the
county
to
support
achieving
functional
zero
homelessness,
and
we
can
have
more
detailed
discussion
around
like
what
that
what
that
concept
means
and
then
and
then
another
key
concern,
challenge
and
opportunity,
is
around
greater
utilization
of
the
vouchers
that
our
community
is
eligible
for.
A
The
federal
housing
voucher
program
is
one
of
the
big
national
programs
to
help
people
access,
affordable
housing
and
currently
the
scarcity
of
affordable
housing
and
landlords
who
accept
vouchers
means
we're
not
actually
able
to
fully
utilize
all
the
vouchers
that
our
community
is
eligible
for
so
trying
to
bridge
that
gap
so
that
we
can
fully
utilize.
That
voucher
program
is
another
key
goal.
A
A
Our
recommendations
are
that
the
county
set
a
goal
to.
We
are
directly
impacting
between
2
800
and
3150,
affordable
housing
units
in
the
different
categories
of
that
first
in
the
affordable
rental
space,
where
we're
talking
about
affordable
rental
units
that
would
be
affordable
to
residents
who
make
80
of
area
median
income
or
less,
but
that
the
average
affordability
of
that
would
be
at
the
60
percent
area
median
income
level,
which
is
so
we're,
meaning
very
affordable
units.
A
You
know,
if
you
look
at
just
the
difference
of
like
rents
between
80
and
100,
it
might
seem
like
actually
still
pretty
high
rent.
So,
but
we're
talking
about
very
you
know
very
good
levels
of
affordability
as
the
average
we're
setting
for
this
big
stretch,
goal
of
the
county
and
within
that,
and
also
within
that
overall
goal.
A
We've
talked
about
the
importance
of
bringing
more
of
the
low
income
housing
tax
credit
program
to
buncombe
county
leverages
a
tremendous
amount
of
additional
resources
to
our
community,
so
the
number
of
units
developed
through
that
program
would
be
in
the
1200
to
1480
range
and
if
we
are
able
to
achieve
that,
that
will
bring
an
estimated
100
to
120
million
dollars
of
additional
equity
to
our
community
to
invest
in
in
these
projects.
A
At
our
last
meeting,
we
also
developed
the
specific
goal
that,
within
the
larger
number
at
least
200
of
these
units
would
be
affordable
to
folks
who
make
less
than
30
percent
of
area
median
income.
So
you
know
so
very
lower
income
individuals.
A
lot
of
these
might
be
folks
who
are
coming
out
of
a
homelessness
situation
or
other
situation
where
they
have
very
low
income.
A
So
it's
just
within
this
space,
there's
a
range
of
affordability
from
80
all
the
way
down
to
you
know
the
some
of
the
poorest
folks
in
our
community
all
right
on
the
home
ownership
goal.
The
recommendation
is
for
400
units
that
would
be
affordable,
home
ownership
units
that'd
be
affordable
to
families,
making
less
than
80
of
ami
on
the
home
repair
program
that
we
would
support,
500
home
repair
projects
in
this
time
frame
again
to
residents
making
80
of
ami
or
less
and
then
also
for
what
you
know.
A
We
sometimes
refer
to
as
workforce
housing
or
folks
that
are
kind
of
more
in
the
moderate
income
range
of
80
to
120
ami.
That
we'd
support
an
additional
400
units
which
could
be
both
a
combination
of
apartments
as
well
as
home
ownership
projects
all
right.
So
these
are
those
are
the
high
level
goals
that
we're
recommending
and
now
this
slide
looks
at,
and
I
realize
this
is
kind
of
there's
a
lot
on
this
slide
so
I'll,
just
I'm
gonna
I'll
walk
through
this
real
quick.
A
Hopefully,
they'll
settle
down,
and-
and
and
you
know
in
the
way
we
see
these
projects
work,
we
see
a
wide
range
of
costs,
so
these
are
averages
based
on
the
best
available
information
we
have,
but
we
want
to
provide
some
sense
of
the
neighborhood
of
investment
needed
so
on
the
big
stretch
goal
around
affordable
rental
units,
1850
we're
estimating
that
the
typical
unit
will
cost
about
forty
thousand
dollars
per
unit
for
the
folks
at
the
sixty
percent
average
ami.
A
So
that
would
be
seventy
four
million
dollars.
The
total
cost.
The
total
local
cost
needed
to
build
that
significant
number
of
units
over
between
now
and
2030.,
the
400
home
ownership
units
based
on
projects
we're
seeing
we're
assuming
an
average
cost
of
about
45
000
of
local
funding.
That
would
need
to
go
into
that
so
about
18
million
dollars.
A
The
home
repair
projects
are,
you
know,
relatively
affordable
compared
to
you
know,
constructing
a
whole
new
unit,
so
those
average
about
six
thousand
dollars
per
unit.
So
to
do
the
500
projects
would
be
an
estimated
three
million
dollars
and
then
the
the
400
home
ownership
or
rental
units
for
moderate
income
households
were
assuming
an
average
cost
of
10
000
per
unit,
so
that
would
be
four
million
dollars
to
support
those
400
units.
A
So
when
we
did
the
presentation
a
little
over
a
month
ago,
we
also
you
know,
talked
about
you
know
the
county's,
not
in
this
alone,
we've
got
some
strong
partners.
The
city
of
asheville
is
very
involved
in
this
space
passed
a
bond
referendum
that
they're
involved
in
deploying
now
we've
got
some
strong
philanthropic
partners
and
there
is
some
other
public
funding
like
the
home
consortium,
funding
that
comes
to
buncombe
county
and
a
couple
of
our
neighboring
counties
each
year.
A
So
we've
done
some
more
refinement
of
this.
I
think
the
presentation
we
initially
gave
assumed
that
maybe
the
county's
investing
half
and
the
other
half
comes
from
other
sources,
so
we
looked
a
little
more
carefully
at
each
of
those
other
funding
sources
to
say
you
know,
realistically
how
much
revenue
do
we
can
do?
We
think
we
can
realistically
expect
from
the
other
sources
and
when
we
went
through
that
process
in
a
little
bit
more
detail,
we
believe
that
the
other
strategic
partners
in
the
region
are
likely
to
invest
45
million
dollars
between
now
and
2030..
A
Looking
at
how
much
they
invest
annually.
Looking
at
the
bond
funding
that
the
city
has
not
yet
spent,
you
know
we
went
through
each
of
those
different
sources,
so
about
of
the
99
million.
We
think
about.
45
million
is
likely
to
be
invested
from
strategic
partners,
so
that
would
leave
an
estimated
county
level
investment
to
achieve
these
goals
of
54
million
dollars
between
now
and
2030,
which
is
very
similar
to
what
we
talked
about
in
the
original
presentation.
A
So
numbers
have
changed
slightly,
but
didn't
move
fundamentally
up
or
down
significantly
again
when
we
think
about
okay,
so
the
54
million
from
the
county.
Well,
what
are
the
different
ways?
The
county
could
could
assemble
those
funds,
we're
currently
investing
2.3
million
dollars
annually
in
our
budget.
So
if
we
simply
maintain
that
between
now
and
2030,
that'll
be
a
little
over
18
million
dollars,
we've
also
got
the
arpa
funds
and
we've
invested
eight
million
dollars
of
arpa
funding
to
date
and
we're
gonna
do
the
second
round
of
arpa
funding.
A
So
that's
another
revenue
source
we've
also
previously
talked
about
the
various
county
land
assets
that
we
have
that
we
could
contribute
and
we've
provided
some
information
about.
You
know
the
estimated
values
of
those
county-owned
lands
and
then
you
know,
there's
we've
also
had
discussion
about
the
feasibility
of
a
potential
bond
referendum,
so
those
are
the
different
potential
funding
sources
that
could
be
looked
at
to
pursue
the
county's
portion
of
this
and
then
the
last
note
on
this
slide
is
just
to
point
out
that,
while
these
are
very,
we
think
ambitious
but
achievable
goals.
A
Even
if
we
achieve
every
one
of
these
goals,
we
do
not
want
to
represent
that
this
will
solve
the
affordable
housing
challenges
we
have
in
our
community.
The
identified
needs
in
the
community
significantly
exceed
these
goals.
So
so,
even
if
we
achieve
them
all,
we
do
believe
it
would
reverse
the
trends
that
we
see
in
our
community
of
every
year.
A
The
scarcity
of
affordable
housing
growing
the
gap
in
affordable
housing.
Getting
worse,
you
know,
that's
been
the
trend
in
our
community
for
for
years
and
years,
we've
all
seen.
We
do
think
these
would
reverse
some
of
those
trends,
but
significant
needs
would
still
remain,
and
that
is
just
to
say,
you
know
if
we
are
able
to
achieve
these
goals.
A
You
know
if
it
would
be
great,
as
we
start
tracking
on
this,
if
we're
able
to
exceed
them,
because
there's
still
a
significant
need
above
and
beyond
this,
and
then
the
other
point
that
we
wanted
to
to
make
is
that
there
are
other
needs
as
well,
and
the
committee
is
working
on
development
of
some
of
those.
Some
of
them
are
related
to
issues
around
homelessness
and
the
need
for
emergency
shelter
beds.
A
That's
just
one
example,
but
there's
more
time
needed
to
develop,
really
well
thought
out
goals
and
budget
estimates
with
those,
so
those
will
come
in
the
future,
but
these
are
the
these.
Are
the
goals
that,
after
about
working
this
about
six
months,
we
felt
like,
are
ready
to
present
and
represent?
You
know
big
parts
of
the
need
in
the
community
around
affordable
housing.
A
M
O
This
is
first
of
all,
just
very
exciting
and
thank
you
all
and
to
staff
for
the
heavy
lifting
on
this.
I
guess
my
assumption
would
be
that
you
all
would
want
us
to
pursue
all
those
strategies
simultaneously
right.
O
A
I
I
I
you
know
we
haven't
really
talked
about
it
specifically,
but
I
think
the
the
working
assumption
is
that
we
would
be
working
to
make
progress
on
each
of
those
goals
every
every
year
and
some
of
them
might
get
more
emphasis
in
some
years
than
others,
but
there
would
be
you
know
in
the
way
that
we've
done
our
the
way
we
currently
do
the
affordable
housing
services
program
solicitations.
It
identifies
all
these
goals.
We
have
and
invites
the
community
to
to
apply
to
them
and
they're
all.
A
A
A
A
O
And
my
follow-up
question,
which
don't
need
to
answer
right
now,
but
just
as
we
move
forward
discussions,
I'd
love
to
learn
about
is
what
you
all
are
learning
about
sort
of
the
economy,
the
efficiencies
of
scale
within
that
space.
O
I
know,
there's
been
a
lot
of
emphasis
on
the
four
percent
projects,
but
if
there's
also
thoughts
about
well,
you
know,
projects
that
include
x,
number
of
apartments
really
help
will
help
us
get
to
that
goal
faster
or,
if
you
really
imagine
that
it'll
be
just
sort
of
a
wide
array
of
affordable,
renting
housing
options
and
again
that
can
be
stuff
we
drill
into
later,
but
just
sort
of
interested
in
drilling
down
on
that
top
line
goal
the
largest
one
to
learn,
keep
learning
more
about
the
types
of
projects
that
we
might
be
looking
to
prioritize
or
support
within
that
line.
A
I
think
we're
going
to
you
know
we're
going
to
continue
to
learn
as
as
we
go
on
this.
For
sure
I
mean
that
whole
four
percent
program
is
still
pretty
new
to
us.
There's
only
been
a
few
of
them
developed
so
far
I
mean
just
interestingly,
though,
and
like
because
we
have
a
an
rfp,
that's
out
now
that
we've
just
the
deadline
on
it
recently
closed,
so
the
applications
for
the
affordable
housing
services
program
just
recently
closed.
A
We
have
a
really
robust
set
of
projects
way
more
asks
than
we
have
money
for
so
like
difficult
decisions
as
usual
about
that,
but
just
interestingly
like
there
is
one
new
four
percent
project
that
was
brought
forward
in
that
cycle.
It's
one
of
the
besides
the
the
lee
walker
heights
redevelopment,
which,
of
course,
we
partnered
on
with
the
city
which
involved
kind
of
a
you,
know:
removal
of
the
obsolete
housing
plus
building
some
new
ones.
A
This
would
be
by
far
the
biggest
just
pure
new
construction
project
under
the
four
percent
program.
That's
I
think,
been
built
here
in
terms
of
just
new
units.
Lee
walker
heights
was
bigger
in
totality
with
the
replacement
plus
some
new,
so
it's
like
158
units
and
the
request
of
the
county
on
that
project
is
just
fifteen
thousand
dollars
per
unit
and
they're,
and
I
believe
it
doesn't
contemplate
funding
from
other
sources
either.
So
it's
just
one
project
and
we
haven't
even
gotten
through
all
the
due
diligence
on
it.
A
Yet,
but
it's
it's
interesting
in
that
it
is
a
larger
project
that
would
produce
a
lot
of
very
affordable
units
at
a
relatively
you
know,
at
an
average
cost
quite
a
bit
below
what
we're
anticipating
we
would
need
to
hit
as
an
average
across
multiple
projects
multiple
years.
So
it's
it's
interesting
and
encouraging
in
some
ways
to
see
a
project
like
that
go
forward.
Q
A
Well,
with
the
projects
that
the
county
would
fund,
so,
if
you're
getting
county
funding,
then
we
would
have
requirements
in
the
deeds
for
these
developments.
That
would
require
them
to
remain
affordable
long
term
either.
You
know
30
years
or
in
some
cases
we
might
even
negotiate
a
requirement
for
permanent,
even
beyond
30
years
of
affordability.
So
that
would
be.
You
know,
a
contractual
obligation
that
they
would
have
to
enter
into
to
guarantee
the
levels
of
affordability
that.
Q
A
That's
true:
these
are
very
long-lived
assets,
so
we're
gonna
we're
gonna,
seek
that,
for
you
know
the
maximum
period
of
time
that
we
we
can
and
but
great
question
and
in
every
project.
That
will
be
something
that
needs
to
be
looked
at
to
you
know.
Generally
speaking,
I
think
you
know
part
of
the
trade-offs
there
is
that
if
you
want
to
go
permanent,
then
in
some
cases
you
might
have
to
invest
more
because
basically,
the
property
owner's,
agreeing
like
hey
our
our
rents
will
never
ever
be
beyond.
A
You
know,
what's
defined
here,
so
so
they're
giving
up
future
income
in
return
for
agreeing
to
do
that,
and
so
then
the
you
know
you
have
to
look
at.
What's
the
investment
level
needed
to
do
that,
but
it'll
either
be
very
long-term
or
permanent.
I
think
in
the
vast
majority
of
cases
that
the
county
would.